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Palmer calls Jaguars game ‘must-win”

The Raiders and Jaguars are 1-4, with their seasons on the line this Sunday. Already, things don’t bode well for both teams, given only seven out of the 156 teams that started 1-4 since 1978 made it to the playoffs that season, according to STATS, Inc.
Hence, it’s not surprising that quarterback Carson Palmer called Sunday’s game between the Raiders and Jaguars a “must-win game.”
For added emphasis, coach Dennis Allen displayed the records of AFC teams for the players to see and outlined where the Raiders stand.
“it’s a must-win for us,” Palmer said. “It’s an AFC game and an opportunity to start climbing our way back into the race.”
The Raiders are in third place in the AFC West, one-half game ahead of the 1-5 Kansas City Chiefs and 1 1/2 games behin the 3-3 Denver Broncos and San Diego Chargers.
The three other AFC West teams have their byes Sunday. Therefore, the Raiders can move within one game of the division lead with a victory over the Jaguars — the Chargers and Broncos beat the Raiders, so they own the tiebreak for now.
Imagine the odds for the team that loses Sunday. Well, here goes: the Chargers are the only team that reached four games below .500 at any point in the season to go on to make the playoffs.
“Everybody’s mood is a sense of ugerncy,” Jaguars running back Maurice Jones-Drew said. “We dug ourselves a hole and the only way to get out is to take it one play at a time and get out there and play.”

– Seems as if every week, more and more people want to know why fullback Marcel Reece isn’t a bigger part of the offense.
Well, the question was posed to Palmer on Wednesday. Here’s his explanation:
“It’s unfortunate; he has had a handful of plays called for him, and it seems like all of them, they end up getting turned into the league,” Palmer said. “He had a deep corner route on somebody last week that was blatant (pass interference) that wasn’t called. I was going to throw it to him but I ended up having to throw it to the checkdown just because he literally was almost tackled coming out of his route.
“I kept feeling at this part of the season that every time his number is called, we’re turning the plays in because it wasn’t called on the field by the referees. And it comes back as, ‘Yeah, that should have been called as P.I.’ So, he’s gotten his opportunities, it just hasn’t, the ball just hasn’t, so to speak, bounced his way. But we understand the weapon he is, and the defenses that play us understand the weapon he is, and he’s going to get his opportunities.”
Through five games, Reece has been targeted 19 times. He has 14 receptions for 119 yards. There’s no way of knowing how many times Palmer wanted to throw to Reece but opted for another receiver.

– As hard as it seems to believe, Jones-Drew will make his Coliseum debut as an NFL player Sunday.
Jones-Drew played at the Coliseum during his standout high school career at De La Salle. Yet, his only games against the Raiders came in Jacksonville.
“It’s just great to come home, see some family members, let them get a chance to see me play,” Jones-Drew said in a conference call.
The Raiders figure to see plenty of Jones-Drew, too. He has accounted for 41 percent of their offense through five games, with 494 of the Jaguars 1,206 yards.
How much the Raiders see of Jones-Drew will hinge upon if the game remains tight. Jones-Drew averaged 17 carries the first five games.
“I don’t think there’s anything wrong with our run game,” Jones-Drew said. “We just have to be more consistent. With that, we have to be able to be in games. We can’t run the ball when we’re down by 30. Or run the ball when we’re down by 17. It doesn’t make sense. We have to keep the game close and stick to our game plan.”
Jones-Drew said he grew up following the Raiders as a youngster from Antioch. Former Raiders running back Napoleon Kaufman is the one player he most identified with.
“I was a big Napoleon Kaufman fan for a while,” Jones-Drew said. “That was one of my top Raiders, because he was a smaller back, came out of the pack.”
Jones-Drew, too, is considered short, fast and elusive.

– Strong-side linebacker Philip Wheeler now is the one on defense wearing the helmet fitted with the radio linked to defensive coordinator Jason Tarver.
The change came last game, when McClain was removed from the nickel package and, as a result, not on the field for every down.

– The Jaguars are one of only six teams with a winning record against the Raiders all-time.
Here’s the list: Chiefs 53-48-2, Patriots 15-14, Packers 6-5, Ravens 5-1, Texans 5-2 and Jaguars 4-1.

– According to Allen, McClain had his most production per downs played Sunday against the Falcons.
In that game, McClain played only 17 of 55 snaps after being replaced by rookie Miles Burris in the nickel package.
“He responded well,” Allen said, “and he actually, he played well. He had his most productive play on a per-play basis in that football game.”
McClain played 73 of 77 snaps in the game against the Broncos on Sept. 30. Playing so much in that game and the three others before the Falcons game affected his production, Allen said.
“When we went back and looked and saw how many plays that Rolando was playing, it had a factor in his conditioning,” Allen said. “We felt like him not playing quite as many plays would help him to play better and be more effective, and it had that effect in this game.”
McClain was not available for comment in the locker room today.

– Right offensive tackle Willie Smith started three games for the Washington Redskins last season. In his three starts for the Raiders this season, he has faced the likes of Elvis Dumervil and John Abraham.
As expected, the results have been mixed for Smith, as he acclimates himself to becoming a full-time player. It’s all part of the maturation process, Allen said.
“It’s reality,” Allen said. “It’s the National Football League. Every week, you go up and you play against talented guys. He’s getting a crash course and he’s got to learn fast. And we’re going to continue to put him out there and let him keep getting better.”

– Someone that won’t be getting an opportunity to show what he can do anytime soon is second-year quarterback Terrelle Pryor.
Allen said that Palmer is doing just fine and that he doesn’t have any intention of taking a look at Pryor in the near future.
“We’ve got a quarterback that plays extremely well and we’ve been very pleased with the way Carson’s played in football games,” Allen said. “Obviously, we’ll do anything that we feel like gives us a chance to win football games. But right now, we don’t feel like that’s in our plans.”

– Sebastian Janikowski still is on the injury report with a sore groin. Yet, that had nothing to do with Allen’s decision to forgo a shot at a 58-yard field-goal attempt against the Falcons in the first half Sunday.
The game was scoreless at the time, with the Raiders at the Falcons 40-yard line.
“Not that early in the game,” Allen said. “A 58-yarder against that offense, your percentages, even though Sebastian is very capable of kicking a 58-yarder, I’ve got all the confidence in the world in Sebastian kicking a 58-yarder, but in that situation against that team, my decision was, it was the right thing to do to try to pin them back and make them go the long way.”
As it turned out, Shane Lechler’s punt bounced into the end zone, giving the Falcons the ball at their own 20. A missed field goal by Janikowski would have given the Falcons the ball at their 48.
Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan was intercepted two plays later, and the Raiders ended up kicking a field goal at the end of that drive.

– Right guard Mike Brisiel returned to practice only three days after he suffered a concussion. Allen said Brisiel passed all the league-mandates tests and was cleared for full contact in practice.
Therefore, it’s likely that Brisiel will start Sunday against the Jaguars. Brisiel said he, too, is of the belief that the Raiders use of the zone-blocking scheme is about to yield big dividends now that it has had ample time to take hold.
“In my experience, the zone scheme, it does take time to get everybody familiar with it and familiar with the players next to them,” Brisiel said. “I just love how everybody comes to work each day and everyone’s trusting each other and we’re going to get it going. We’re (headed) in the right direction and we just got to keep working.”

– Linebacker Aaron Curry returned to practice today for the first time since the Raiders shut him down during offseason workouts.
Allen said it’s too early to project how Curry might be used if he’s able to get into shape within the next three weeks. The Raiders have 21 days to decide whether to activate, waive or place Curry on the injured-reserve list.
“We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it,” Allen said. “That’s not a decision that we have to make right now. Right now, the biggest thing is to see where he’s at physically, see how he responds to a couple of days of practice, how the knee responds to it. And then we’ll make that decision when we need to.”
Allen said Monday that Curry spent time during his long layoff learning all three linebacker positions. Curry started at the weak-side spot last season. That job now belongs to Burris.
Curry was unavailable for comment during the media-access window today.

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  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    DJ Johnny Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Geno Smith didn’t look too good last week.
    DJ Johnny Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 10:15 am

    I wanna see how Geno’s stats line up against good defenses.

    Looking at Pryor he was good all around, then when you loooked closer at how he did against tough defenses…it was a different story.
    ======================

    Classic, dismissing geno but never really watched him play obviously.

    geno was very good against texas tech, the wvu defense is awful and geno must win shootouts every week. you take geno off the squad and it is a 4-6 win team

    Geno last week vs texas tech (which ended in a loss)
    29 /55 275 yds 1 td 0 int 100.7 rate

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Dakota Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Time to trade McClain, Seymour, Huff, Palmer, and Kelly to anyone who will give us some draft picks.
    ===================

    LOL am i dreaming?!?!?!? this dude bails on palmer?!?!?!? HILARIOUS?

    Late to the party but better late than never i guess

  • raiderkoolaid

    25 TD’s verses 0 Int’s is impressive against any competition.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    In 2005, the Palmer-led Cincinnati Bengals ended fifteen years of futility by notching their first winning season since 1990 and winning the division with an 11–5 record.

    Statistically, Palmer had a stellar individual season, throwing a league-high 32 touchdown passes and leading the league in completion percentage. He became the first Cincinnati Bengals quarterback to finish with a quarterback rating over 100, setting the team record in that category; and he also tied Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning for most consecutive games, 9, with a triple-digit quarterback rating. Net worth: $80 million USD (2009). Been in the league almost 10 years. Hates losing more than he loves winning. There’s mistics pathetic, miserable, losing, quitting bust of a QB. Happy Carson Palmer Day!

  • Dakota

    452.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:00 am
    Dakota Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 10:48 am

    Time to trade McClain, Seymour, Huff, Palmer, and Kelly to anyone who will give us some draft picks.
    ===================

    LOL am i dreaming?!?!?!? this dude bails on palmer?!?!?!? HILARIOUS?

    Late to the party but better late than never i guess

    _________________

    I am not bailing on Palmer. Palmer is a good QB who could help a team that was on the cusp. We are not that team. This is a full-on rebuild. We had hoped that we could build on last year’s 8-8 record, but that has gone by the wayside. I still like Palmer, but it is pointless to let him waste the rest of his career here on a team that is clearly years away from competing on a meaningful level.

    Now that the season is over I would rather evaluate Pryor. Let him sink or swim, and then we will have no doubt whether or not we need a QB in the 2013 draft. Of course I don’t believe Pryor will be the answer, but you never know!

  • guest123

    Season’s not over. We got a real shot at winning the next 3 and get back to 4-4, and FWIW, I think we go onto 6 out the next 7. Not sure if we end up making the playoffs as the late season schedule is tough. But it’s way too early to write off the season.

    Carson Palmer is right that Sunday’s gave at home vs JAX is a MUST WIN capital italic underlined large font. Anything less than a W and you can go ahead and keep raggin on the new Regime and on and on to sad little hearts content.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Time to trade McClain, Seymour, Huff, Palmer, and Kelly to anyone who will give us some draft picks.
    —————-
    keep Huff (to play corner) keep palmer (best player on team) the rest can go.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Barring a major injury to Palmer, the worst this team will be is 6-6 heading into what will be a huge game on December 6th against Denver. Print that.

  • Dakota

    Season is over. The season actually ended the day we hired Greg knapp. All of you Knapp and McClain apologists should be ashamed of yourselves!

  • SilverNBlackPA

    In fact it wouldn’t surprise me a bit if the team finishes 9-7 and we’re all left asking “What if” about the Atlanta game.

    DRINK THE KOOL AID IT TASTES DELICIOUS

  • guest123

    I never liked the Knapp hire. I won’t apologize for him if I never endorsed him. I was on the original co-sign list for his demotion/firing after the first week. Didn’t like what I saw in preseason either. I have been on record numerous times to cut #55 ASAP.

    But we can win by showing #55 the sidelines like we did at ATL, and we can win despite Knapp’s playcalling. At some point the players need to make plays and push through the pile. You see it happening already. It’s not as bad as it looks.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Look at the schedule. Tell me this isn’t 100% plausible:

    W vs. Jacksonville
    W @ Kansas City
    W vs. Tampa Bay
    L @ Baltimore
    L vs. New Orleans
    W @ Cincinnati
    W vs. Cleveland
    L vs. Denver
    W vs. Kansas City
    W @ Carolina
    W @ San Diego

    That’s 9-7 and that’s not crazy to think it could shake out exactly like that.

  • guest123

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:09 am
    Barring a major injury to Palmer, the worst this team will be is 6-6 heading into what will be a huge game on December 6th against Denver. Print that.

    ********

    Printed in bold font.

  • Dakota

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
    Look at the schedule. Tell me this isn’t 100% plausible:

    ++++++++++++

    It is not plausible so long as Grag Knapp and his failed version of the ZBS stays. Sorry, we can’t win if we can’t run the ball.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Dakota how could you truly evaluate pryor on a team like this? if palmer is just now starting to get a good grasp of the O and the pass protection still leaves something to be desired what qb would swim? I’m not sayn your wrong just saying they could put the kid in a better situation by fixing the Oline up a bit before the let him get killed out there and watch him sink to the bottom of the bay which he may never recover.

  • guest123

    Even Baltimore is a possibility. They got decimated with injuries on their defense and Flacco is just no damn good as a QB, I don’t care what the “experts” at ESPN say.

    The Saints are in a very bad way defensively. Losing TE Graham is their only physical receiving option. They can be pushed around and out-physicaled. They can be had too.

    No reason to think Denver can’t be had, especially at home with a possible playoff shot on the line.

    I’m calling it right now. The season turning point happened the day the Reggime saw fit to sit #55′s lazy arse in ATL. He’s the cancer that feeds the losses. He’s directly responsible. He’s the Jamarcus Russell of the defense. We should cut him or put him on IR for a made up injury. He sucks balls.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    464.Dakota Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    It is not plausible so long as Grag Knapp and his failed version of the ZBS stays. Sorry, we can’t win if we can’t run the ball.
    ++++++++++++

    McFadden goes off for 250+ (combined) rushing yards over the next two weeks.

    Feast on the bad teams to get confidence and get rolling for the good ones.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Do you guys realize that RGIII was not very highly recruited? Even a kid that has always played nothing but qb with his immense undeniable talent to throw the football was only offered a few scholarships.

    tenn and nebraska offered but were not going to let him play qb.

    THEY WERENT GOING TO LET HIM PLAY QB?!?!?!?!?!?! thier old antiquated thinking and obsolete concept of what a qb is and isnt came back to bit them., as both are now struggling to find any kind of consistent play from thier qb’s. (Bray was projected as a top draft pick coming in, but he is not very good in my opinion)

    I know, its ridiculous. This is why and how he ended up at baylor, that was the only school that promisd to let him compete strictly at qb.

    This is the quandary that guys like griffin face, then when they make it at the college level, they are often faced with another wave of fans, coaches and media that want them to switch positions.

    From lenny moore, to tP6 the story remains the same.

    Thank god art briles allowed him to compete at his true and natural position or we would have been robbed of one of the greatest qb careers in college history.

    Thank god that shanahan is wise enough to roll with the changing tide, and even fuel it, or we would never be treated to RGIII unique brand of football dismantling and baffling defenses week after week.

    It will soon be time to unwrap tp6 and see what the kid can do. for all the knocks on him about his passing, he actually posted very nice stats and made explosive plays when he got on the field.

    19-of-32 passes (59.4 percent) for 251 yards (7.8 yards per attempt) with two touchdowns and one interception (passer rating of 92.1) and ran for another 121 yards on 14 carries with one touchdown.

    Thank god fro RGIII, and cam newton, because the more success they have the more it opens doors for guys that other wise would never get a look at playing qb in college or at the pro level.

    This bodes well for pryor, as the intrigue will continue to grow, and reasons for not playing him will continue to dwindle with each passing loss.

    While I expect the raiders to win at least one of the next 3 i do believ that by the time we reach the final 1/4 of the season we will be out of contention and playing for draft order.

    We will then get a look at our 23 year old super prospect. i cant wait.

  • Dakota

    eastoaklandraider,

    What you are saying has merit. But some things are not going to be fixed this season, and the o-line is one of them. So the choice is keep wasting Palmer’s time and talent on a schyyyt team like this, or trade him and get something for him while we still can, and then see how Pryor performs under adversity.

    Almost every young QB starts his career playing on a crappy team with a crappy o-line, so at this point, why not let Pryor play? He will either get crushed and go away, which means he didn’t have “it” anyhow, or he will learn and get better and show the coaching staff that maybe the QB position isn’t something that needs to be addressed high in the 2013 draft.

    At this point, on a team that is going nowhere fast, there is nothing to lose by making that move.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    guest123 Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    Even Baltimore is a possibility. They got decimated with injuries on their defense and Flacco is just no damn good as a QB, I don’t care what the “experts” at ESPN say.

    The Saints are in a very bad way defensively. Losing TE Graham is their only physical receiving option. They can be pushed around and out-physicaled. They can be had too.

    No reason to think Denver can’t be had, especially at home with a possible playoff shot on the line.

    +++++++++++++++++++

    I agree Baltimore is beatable, but they’ll always be a tough out at home. Not confident on that one.

    New Orleans..who are they really this season? The team that came back against the Chargers or the team that got beat by an awful KC squad? Tough to tell

    Still can’t get a read on the Manning-led Donks. Are they the team that got down by 24 in one half or the team that hung 30+ unanswered to come back?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    guest123 post 456. You plan that?

  • guest123

    Who cares about RG3 or Cam Newton? Is this the Redskins or Panthers board? Did I make a wrong turn somewhere? If they don’t play for the S&B, fook em anyways.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Hey, even I’ll say though that this is my last gasp of optimism.

    Raiders lay an egg on Sunday, it’s time to trade the universe and tank for the best possible draft pick.

  • raiderkoolaid

    It is reasonable to think that McClain could be facing a suspension next season if his court trial doesn’t go well. Who knows how long? 4 games? 8 games? In light of the fact that the defense looked better without him on the field as much, it seems wise to get use to playing without him.

  • guest123

    Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am
    guest123 post 456. You plan that?

    *********

    I actually predicted a 1-4 start back in June. I got into a conversation that Rockstar started and I had us rebounding from 1-4 start to win 6 out the next 7 and then finish 9-7. I still had us not making the playoffs on a tie-breaker. So far I’ve been proven right!

  • eastoaklandraider

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
    Look at the schedule. Tell me this isn’t 100% plausible:

    W vs. Jacksonville
    W @ Kansas City
    W vs. Tampa Bay
    L @ Baltimore
    L vs. New Orleans
    W @ Cincinnati
    W vs. Cleveland
    L vs. Denver
    W vs. Kansas City
    W @ Carolina
    W @ San Diego

    That’s 9-7 and that’s not crazy to think it could shake out exactly like that.
    —————–

    sounds good but I doubt it. this team has yet to show that kind of consistency a big win against the jags would go along way and I dont mean a nail bitter then a win on the road in KC which is always tough would show me something then I would sing a different tune. these next two games will tell the story of our season heading back home to play TB. if we beat jax and KC our momentum will be great and we will crush TB at home and be 4-4 and back in it, if we lose to jax or KC it will just be the same ole Raiders. NO CONSISTENCY.

  • Dakota

    6-6 and then 9-7?

    Are you people flat out crazy?

    Deaf, dumb and blind?

    Retarded maybe?

    I can hear Callahan now, “Dumbest fans in America!”

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    guest123 Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Who cares about RG3 or Cam Newton? Is this the Redskins or Panthers board? Did I make a wrong turn somewhere? If they don’t play for the S&B, fook em anyways.
    ==============

    no gradkowski lover, i was drawing a comparison to A RAIDER TP6.

    My point is what they have accomplished in thier short careers, has turned heads and changed thinking in the nfl. TP6 is on par with these two athletically and has shown to be better than anyone thought with his arm and qb smarts.

    Im looking forward to seeing pryor in the mix at the end of the season.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    Mistic, congratulations, man! Although not deviating from your agenda, you managed to create a lengthy post(#468) about QB’s without damning Palmer with faint praise or outright dissing him. In honor of Carson Palmer Day, no doubt.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Dakota Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
    6-6 and then 9-7?

    Are you people flat out crazy?

    ++++++++++

    The schedule eases up: Jags, Chiefs twice, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Tampa, Carolina

  • eastoaklandraider

    Dakota Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:24 am
    eastoaklandraider,

    What you are saying has merit. But some things are not going to be fixed this season, and the o-line is one of them. So the choice is keep wasting Palmer’s time and talent on a schyyyt team like this, or trade him and get something for him while we still can, and then see how Pryor performs under adversity.

    Almost every young QB starts his career playing on a crappy team with a crappy o-line, so at this point, why not let Pryor play? He will either get crushed and go away, which means he didn’t have “it” anyhow, or he will learn and get better and show the coaching staff that maybe the QB position isn’t something that needs to be addressed high in the 2013 draft.

    At this point, on a team that is going nowhere fast, there is nothing to lose by making that move.
    ——————-

    go with pryor when were mathematically eliminated, as of now with us just 1 1/2 games out we still have a shot a long shot but a shot.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Some people just make no sense

    Some people will vote Republican.

    They think the economy is recovering too slowly, so they’ll vote for the tax cuts and deregulations that got us into this mess.

    They feel that unemployment is too high, so they’ll vote for the guy who made his fortune closing American companies and offshoring jobs to China.

    They want unemployment lower, so they’ll vote for the party that blocked 0bama’s jobs bill.

    They support smaller government, so they’ll vote for the party that will intrude government into every woman’s private medical choices.

    They get angry every time their medical insurance goes up, so they’ll vote for making Medicare a private insurance voucher system.

    They worry about their retirement savings, so they’ll vote for the candidates who say Social Security recipients are “moochers” and propose cutting payments.

    They are concerned about the growing deficit, so they’ll vote for reducing tax revenue from the very rich and increasing Pentagon purchases above what the military wants or needs.

    They believe America’s reputation is Number One, so they’ll vote for the party that threatened to lower our nation’s credit rating just to preserve tax breaks for the richest.

    They hate special tax loopholes, so they’ll vote for the guy who pays 13 percent tax on his income while the rest of us pay up to 35 percent.

    They want leaders to obey the law, so they’ll vote for the candidate who won’t release his tax returns which may reveal hiding income in offshore banks.

    They know the war in Iraq was a wasteful failure, so they’ll vote for the guy who’d start a war with Iran.

    Some people …! Go figure.

    Bruce Joffe
    Piedmont

  • guest123

    Even though we didn’t see the results in the win column, you can see that big changes were made over the bye week. Personnel are being evaluated and packages are being modified. It’s not coaches mindlessly trying the same things. They are adapting to the personnel on hand. If you can’t see that you are missing the forrest for the trees.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    guest123 post 456. Just amused by the numerical sequence.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “Statistically, Palmer had a stellar individual season, throwing a league-high 32 touchdown passes and leading the league in completion percentage. He became the first Cincinnati Bengals quarterback to finish with a quarterback rating over 100, setting the team record in that category; and he also tied Indianapolis’ Peyton Manning for most consecutive games, 9, with a triple-digit quarterback rating. Net worth: $80 million USD (2009). Been in the league almost 10 years. Hates losing more than he loves winning. There’s mistics pathetic, miserable, losing, quitting bust of a QB. Happy Carson Palmer Day!”

    Nice post Happy Carson Palmer day!

  • bcz24

    My point is what they have accomplished in thier short careers, has turned heads and changed thinking in the nfl. TP6 is on par with these two athletically and has shown to be better than anyone thought with his arm and qb smarts.
    ****************
    When did he show that? I watched all 4 preseason games. He literally made 4 plays. 2 long runs and 2 long prayers that Criner made him look good on (by Pryor’s own admission.)

  • eastoaklandraider

    The donks and dischargers are not much better than us and they still have tough games to play. AFC west still wide open.

  • guest123

    AFC west still wide open.

    **********

    Yep, very wide open and very mediocre to bad division top to bottom.

  • Dakota

    Manning is improving on a weekly basis. We are not going to win this division. Get real.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    All football, all morning. Good vs. bad. Smart vs. dumb. Contentious. But all football. Wait, we need some politics in here. Thank god for KK. GTFO.

  • guest123

    Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:38 am
    guest123 post 456. Just amused by the numerical sequence.

    *********

    Ah! I see now. My wife does that too. Always goes over my head though. She see patterns in everything. You must be a puzzle solving genius as well.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    tony romo, , and carson palmer.

    All have posted explosive stats at various points i thier careers, all have struggled with turnovers at others points.

    neither has shown they can carry a team to wins consistently.

    romo and palmer have struggled to even get into the playoff most of thier careers.

    The bungles under achieved for several seasons before telling palmer “go ahead and quit, we dont need want or even like you that much”. romo and the cow pies are yearly disappointments, and romo has been a major goat with post season gaffs, and wild fluctuations in production in the regular season.

    These are classic cases of qbs that may produce stats but dont lead wins and cant be called great. i have a hard time beleiving that any one of these two will ever become the “elite qb” they have been billed to be so late in thier careers.

    they are like neil lomax, stan humphries, kerry collins, jeff george, danny white and so on.

    These qb didnt win and eventually were let go even in the midst of posting solid individual stats.

    When the team loses qb is always at risk of losing his starting gig, especially if it is an aging vet.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    You got it, Silverandblack666.

  • guest123

    Manning is improving on a weekly basis. We are not going to win this division. Get real.

    ********

    Manning got his helmet popped off his head last game. He’s a ticking time bomb and it’s a matter of time. I say he’s 50/50 that he last to the end of the season.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    guest123 Says: You must be a puzzle solving genius as well.=========Genius, no. But I do love ‘em and also see patterns in everything.

  • Dakota

    Andy Reid finally fired his DC….a year too late. Allen might waste next season giving Knapp another chance as well.

    What is it with these coaches?

    Are they best friends or something?

    Greg Knapp literally ruined Dennis Allen’s once in a lifetime coaching opportunity, and he still doesn’t see it. SMH

  • eastoaklandraider

    None of us know how good TP6 is or isnt as we have never seen him with the ones, Luck,RGiii,Cam,Wilson, have all had that luxury. TP6 cant be that far behind those guys.

  • Dakota

    494.guest123 Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    Manning is improving on a weekly basis. We are not going to win this division. Get real.

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    Manning got his helmet popped off his head last game. He’s a ticking time bomb and it’s a matter of time. I say he’s 50/50 that he last to the end of the season.

    ++++++++

    Pft, the man never missed a game for injury for his entire career, and his docs say his neck is as strong, or even stronger than before. I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for a Manning injury if I were you.

  • guest123

    Greg Knapp literally ruined Dennis Allen’s once in a lifetime coaching opportunity, and he still doesn’t see it. SMH

    **********

    Yeah sure. It was Greg that ruined it for DA. He hog-tied him and forced him to be the OC with a gun to his head. It wasn’t DA’s decision to hire Knapp. He was brainwashed into it. Maybe knapp used a vulcan mind meld??

  • The Beeech Dawg

    The Beeeech Diggity knew as soon he saw KrappyRat’s long post that it was a lame cut & paste job

    The old Troll can barely put together 2 sentences on his own, let alone an entire paragraph

    Funny how he pastes a crazed political rant on a sports blog when he recently announced he only talks Raiders

    Sorry old Troll, had no choice but to smack you down. Just keepin’ it real