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Raiders-Jaguars practice report

JAGUARS

Did Not Participate In Practice

Wednesday

DT Tyson Alualu (not injury related), S Dwight Lowery (ankle), C Brad Meester (not injury related), WR Laurent Robinson (concussion)

Thursday

S Dwight Lowery (ankle), WR Laurent Robinson (concussion), LB Daryl Smith (groin)

Limited Participation in Practice

Wednesday

S Dawan Landry (knee), LB Daryl Smith (groin)

Thursday

S Dawan Landry (knee)

Full Participation in Practice

Wednesday

DE George Selvie (knee)

Thursday

DT Tyson Alualu (not injury related), C Brad Meester (not injury related), DE George Selvie (knee)

RAIDERS

Did Not Participate In Practice

Wednesday

T Khalif Barnes (groin), TE Richard Gordon (hamstring), CB Shawntae Spencer (foot)

Thursday

T Khalif Barnes (groin), TE Richard Gordon (hamstring), RB Taiwan Jones (knee), CB Shawntae Spencer (foot)

Limited Participation in Practice

Wednesday

G Mike Brisiel (concussion), K Sebastian Janikowski (left groin), RB Taiwan Jones (knee), C Alex Parsons (shoulder, back), DT Richard Seymour (knee)

Thursday

G Mike Brisiel (concussion), K Sebastian Janikowski (left groin), C Alex Parsons (shoulder, back), DT Richard Seymour (knee)

Full Participation in Practice

Wednesday

WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (shoulder), RB Darren McFadden (shoulder), WR Denarius Moore (shoulder), TE Brandon Myers (ear, knee)

Thursday

WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (shoulder), RB Darren McFadden (shoulder), WR Denarius Moore (shoulder), TE Brandon Myers (ear, knee)

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  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Dork slap, baby dork slap..

    Lil biachi saying alfredo sauce was coming out his ass is the single most hilarious moment in the history of the blog. That was not creamy alfredo sauce.

    Dork slap, baby dork slap…

  • eastoaklandraider

    Actually McFaddens best year was under Cables zone scheme.
    ————–
    thats only because he was relatively healthy that year, WOULD HAVE crushed that mark had he stayed healthy last year and you and everyone else knows it and if you claim you dont your in denial.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Leaving Oakland would be a huge mistake.

    Again.

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Blog Brahs, you gotta admit – there’s nothing funnier than a Peemore Blog Beatdown

    You KNOW the Beeech Diggity GOTS to keep it real

    Speaking of hooking up with Miley tonight, I’m going to have a full spread of delicious finger foods and mini deserts for her to enjoy

    While I’m getting her from behind. In the pooper.

    Ahhh yeah, drop them beats DJ Kimchi

  • dr_robert

    like i said. gayest…poster…ever.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Actually McFaddens best year was under Cables zone scheme.
    ————–
    thats only because he was relatively healthy that year, WOULD HAVE crushed that mark had he stayed healthy last year and you and everyone else knows it and if you claim you dont your in denial.
    =======================================

    Again, that is one of the advantages of the zone scheme. Running lanes, not crashing into defenders at the POA. And in one of his runs in the lst quarter last game, the Raiders called a very simple guard trap play. 66 pulled was running down field, and McFadden cut right into the DT standing there. Why he didn’t follow the guard which EVERY back is taught starting in Pop Warner is beyond me.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    dr_robert Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    like i said. gayest…poster…ever.
    =================================

    From the gayest…poster….ever. Lil biachi’s boyfriend is infinitely funnier. And more original.

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:51 pm

    Dork slap, baby dork slap..

    Lil biachi saying alfredo sauce was coming out his ass is the single most hilarious moment in the history of the blog. That was not creamy alfredo sauce.

    Dork slap, baby dork slap…

    ————–

    Uh Oh …
    MELTDOWN!

    too hilarious

  • The Big Banana

    Apparently there are Saudi investors willing to finance a Oakland stadium?

    —-

    Late to the party. Where did you read this, Riff?

  • Raider Riff

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Actually McFaddens best year was under Cables zone scheme.
    ————–
    thats only because he was relatively healthy that year, WOULD HAVE crushed that mark had he stayed healthy last year and you and everyone else knows it and if you claim you dont your in denial.
    =======================================

    Again, that is one of the advantages of the zone scheme. Running lanes, not crashing into defenders at the POA. And in one of his runs in the lst quarter last game, the Raiders called a very simple guard trap play. 66 pulled was running down field, and McFadden cut right into the DT standing there. Why he didn’t follow the guard which EVERY back is taught starting in Pop Warner is beyond me.

    —————–

    Agreed. I dont see a problem with the scheme.

    If it isnt DMC running into the wrong lane, its a blocker getting blown up, or a ref throwing a flag on the plays that do work.

    DMC needs to buy in. If a player never buys in, then they will NEVER succeed. No matter what. Maybe he has bought in and he’s legitimately struggling despite having faith in the system. Fine, I can live with that. But he needs to step up and get with it, as do his blockers.

    Ive said it before and I’ll say it again, RB’s need to get in a rythmn just like any other skill position player. DMC just hasnt found his rhythmn yet.

  • Raider Riff

    The Big Banana Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
    Apparently there are Saudi investors willing to finance a Oakland stadium?

    —-

    Late to the party. Where did you read this, Riff?

    —————

    In one of the last two stories posted here. One of the members cut and past a outline of the Raiders options. It looked credible.

    It isnt hard to find, go back both stories and do a search on the page for “Saudi Arabia” and you will find the post.

    Let me know what you think of it.

  • Peytons Brain

    Doc. Rob the volunteer GAY proctologist … Only sees MALE patients…

  • eastoaklandraider

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Actually McFaddens best year was under Cables zone scheme.
    ————–
    thats only because he was relatively healthy that year, WOULD HAVE crushed that mark had he stayed healthy last year and you and everyone else knows it and if you claim you dont your in denial.
    =======================================

    Again, that is one of the advantages of the zone scheme. Running lanes, not crashing into defenders at the POA. And in one of his runs in the lst quarter last game, the Raiders called a very simple guard trap play. 66 pulled was running down field, and McFadden cut right into the DT standing there. Why he didn’t follow the guard which EVERY back is taught starting in Pop Warner is beyond me.
    —————-

    so WHAT IS the difference between last year and this year bush? is the oline? is it the zbs? is it knapp?
    or does DMAC just all of a sudden suck?

  • inonewordraider

    I don’t know if I can tan the abs much, kinda overcast today. But a thin spread of Nutella over the 18 pack just might fool her
    ________________
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  • dr_robert

    Peytons Brain Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
    Doc. Rob the volunteer GAY proctologist … Only sees MALE patients…

    *************

    really? that’s ur best attempt at comedy? pathetic.

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Blog Brahs, just about to start rehearsal for the Wrecks N Effect tour

    Let me rephrase – DJ Kimchi will be starting rehearsal. I will be taking a hot shower with the Mo Fly Girlz

    Seems they’re having trouble cleaning their va-jay-jays, after all they can barely see over their massive booblie jobs

    So I got the ShamWow out and a pair of water polo goggles. This could get interesting (because my lips will be right near their coochies)

    AIN’T GOT NO POP IF YOU AIN’T RAPPIN HIP HOP

  • RaidersOne

    eastoaklandraider,

    so WHAT IS the difference between last year and this year bush? is the oline? is it the zbs? is it knapp?
    or does DMAC just all of a sudden suck?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    not sure

  • eastoaklandraider

    Raider Riff Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Actually McFaddens best year was under Cables zone scheme.
    ————–
    thats only because he was relatively healthy that year, WOULD HAVE crushed that mark had he stayed healthy last year and you and everyone else knows it and if you claim you dont your in denial.
    =======================================

    Again, that is one of the advantages of the zone scheme. Running lanes, not crashing into defenders at the POA. And in one of his runs in the lst quarter last game, the Raiders called a very simple guard trap play. 66 pulled was running down field, and McFadden cut right into the DT standing there. Why he didn’t follow the guard which EVERY back is taught starting in Pop Warner is beyond me.

    —————–

    Agreed. I dont see a problem with the scheme.

    If it isnt DMC running into the wrong lane, its a blocker getting blown up, or a ref throwing a flag on the plays that do work.

    DMC needs to buy in. If a player never buys in, then they will NEVER succeed. No matter what. Maybe he has bought in and he’s legitimately struggling despite having faith in the system. Fine, I can live with that. But he needs to step up and get with it, as do his blockers.

    Ive said it before and I’ll say it again, RB’s need to get in a rythmn just like any other skill position player. DMC just hasnt found his rhythmn yet.
    —————–
    If its not the scheme why was DMAC on pace for 2k yards and now he’s on pace for what? barely a 1000? which is no longer impressive btw. and if its not the scheme and its “RHYTHM” Why does goodson look so much better in the zbs? in my line of thought maybe goodson is a better zbs rb than Dmac. crazy logic huh?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    dr_robert Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:39 pm

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 11:44 am
    tony romo, , and carson palmer.

    All have posted explosive stats at various points i thier careers, all have struggled with turnovers at others points.

    neither has shown they can carry a team to wins consistently.

    romo and palmer have struggled to even get into the playoff most of thier careers.

    The bungles under achieved for several seasons before telling palmer “go ahead and quit, we dont need want or even like you that much”. romo and the cow pies are yearly disappointments, and romo has been a major goat with post season gaffs, and wild fluctuations in production in the regular season.

    These are classic cases of qbs that may produce stats but dont lead wins and cant be called great. i have a hard time beleiving that any one of these two will ever become the “elite qb” they have been billed to be so late in thier careers.

    they are like neil lomax, stan humphries, kerry collins, jeff george, danny white and so on.

    These qb didnt win and eventually were let go even in the midst of posting solid individual stats.

    When the team loses qb is always at risk of losing his starting gig, especially if it is an aging vet.
    ****************************

    hahahahhahaaha!!!!!!!!

    this dude mentions a super bowl winner (white) and two other super bowl qb’s (collins, humphries) as his examples of losers.

    this guy is just burying himself.

    hey mistic–how many of ur “wave of the future” qb’s are there in the nfl right now?
    ===========

    lol this dude finds new ways to embarass himeslf daily.

    I dont know what planet you are on but danny white has never won a super bowl bright boy.

    I never called them losers

    you know you can look this stuff up right?

    hilarious

  • eastoaklandraider

    RaidersOne Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    eastoaklandraider,

    so WHAT IS the difference between last year and this year bush? is the oline? is it the zbs? is it knapp?
    or does DMAC just all of a sudden suck?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    not sure
    ——————–

    well at least you were honest thats more than I can say for most folks here.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    so WHAT IS the difference between last year and this year bush? is the oline? is it the zbs? is it knapp?
    or does DMAC just all of a sudden suck?
    =========================================

    I can tell you exactly what it is. lst off, Wisniewski is not playing very well at center. Neither are the two guards. That triangle has not been very effective. Now again, you are putting in a completely new scheme with completely new players, and the Oline is the ONE UNIT that needs the most reps to get it down regardless of what system you are running. But they have been disapppointing.

    Couple that with the fact that our starting WR’s in game one were DHB and a guys named Streator who had never played an NFL game, along with a unhearalded Brandon Myers and you had defenses keying on McFadden. And rightfully so. Which brings us to Knapp. Knapp force fed the ball to McFadden which did not work well at all.

    So, whaa happens now? Well, with Moore now in there, and DHB healthy and the return signing of Hagan, the WR corp is no longer something other teams can take for granted. Especially with the emergence of Myers and now Ausberry is beginning to look good. The team has to get out of its “run first” kind of mode, into using the pass to set up the running game.

    But I know what you are thinking. So, what’s with the criticism of McFadden then? Watch his runs. He takes a two yard dive like 80% of the time. He is NOT running hard. When he does run hard, he is VERY effective. And you can blame it any way you want but that is fact. The tape clearly shows it. And if that is not enough, the last four games McFadden has had more drops than receptions in the passing game. That’s HARD TO DO. And Goodson has played well. Very well.

  • The Beeech Dawg

    inonewordraider Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:03 pm

    I don’t know if I can tan the abs much, kinda overcast today. But a thin spread of Nutella over the 18 pack just might fool her
    ________________
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    —————

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  • Raider Riff

    RaidersOne Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    eastoaklandraider,

    so WHAT IS the difference between last year and this year bush? is the oline? is it the zbs? is it knapp?
    or does DMAC just all of a sudden suck?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    not sure

    ——————–

    From what Ive seen…

    Our O-Line play is worse. It’s been reshuffled and not identical to the past. But regardless, some of the players just arent playing as good.

    Play calling is different. Im not talking about the difference in scheme, Im talking the difference in actual in game play calling. Knapp can scheme and call plays just fine. But Hue was/is one of the best in the league at in-game play calls. Catching a D off-guard. Hue’s play calling aided our O-Line.

    And we’ve just made to many mistakes. We’ve handicapped our coaching staff in many ways. Reece fumbling the reverse to Taiwan, dropped passes, in-excusible fumbles, and occasional poor WR play are all factors that affect everything.

    The bottom line is that it isnt just ONE single thing. It’s a domino effect.

    Perfectly timed flags by the refs dont help. Neither does DMC’s poor lane and pace choice. You cant ignore the fact that Goodson has no problem in this system and DMC struggles on the same plays. Some of that has to do with the fact that the D expects a pass when Goodson is in the backfield, credit what I said about the playcalling earlier. But some of it also has to do with Goodsons patience and field vision. It’s simply been better than DMC.

    We’ve been a block here and there away from a lot more big runs by DMC. The line has to step up and be more consistent.

    Like I said, it isnt just one thing.

  • dr_robert

    mistic—These qb didnt win

    that’s what u said.

    danny white was a cowboy when they won super bowl xII…..as a punter. it was my little joke.

    but u claim they didn’t win. getting to the super bowl is winning. how many black qb’s have gotten there?

  • Raider Riff

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    so WHAT IS the difference between last year and this year bush? is the oline? is it the zbs? is it knapp?
    or does DMAC just all of a sudden suck?
    =========================================

    I can tell you exactly what it is. lst off, Wisniewski is not playing very well at center. Neither are the two guards. That triangle has not been very effective. Now again, you are putting in a completely new scheme with completely new players, and the Oline is the ONE UNIT that needs the most reps to get it down regardless of what system you are running. But they have been disapppointing.

    Couple that with the fact that our starting WR’s in game one were DHB and a guys named Streator who had never played an NFL game, along with a unhearalded Brandon Myers and you had defenses keying on McFadden. And rightfully so. Which brings us to Knapp. Knapp force fed the ball to McFadden which did not work well at all.

    So, whaa happens now? Well, with Moore now in there, and DHB healthy and the return signing of Hagan, the WR corp is no longer something other teams can take for granted. Especially with the emergence of Myers and now Ausberry is beginning to look good. The team has to get out of its “run first” kind of mode, into using the pass to set up the running game.

    But I know what you are thinking. So, what’s with the criticism of McFadden then? Watch his runs. He takes a two yard dive like 80% of the time. He is NOT running hard. When he does run hard, he is VERY effective. And you can blame it any way you want but that is fact. The tape clearly shows it. And if that is not enough, the last four games McFadden has had more drops than receptions in the passing game. That’s HARD TO DO. And Goodson has played well. Very well.

    ————-

    Pretty spot on analysis.

  • inonewordraider

    Again, that is one of the advantages of the zone scheme. Running lanes, not crashing into defenders at the POA
    _______________________
    interesting so your argument suggests a rb can have a longer shelf life with the zbs….

  • downsouthraider

    Goodson had a couple of good runs last week in the ZBS. It will work. My prediction:
    Raiders 35
    Jacksonville 13
    DMC/Goodson combine for over 200 yds rushing

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Pretty spot on analysis.
    ==============================

    I try.

  • Raider Riff

    Eastoaklandraider Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    Raider Riff Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Actually McFaddens best year was under Cables zone scheme.
    ————–
    thats only because he was relatively healthy that year, WOULD HAVE crushed that mark had he stayed healthy last year and you and everyone else knows it and if you claim you dont your in denial.
    =======================================

    Again, that is one of the advantages of the zone scheme. Running lanes, not crashing into defenders at the POA. And in one of his runs in the lst quarter last game, the Raiders called a very simple guard trap play. 66 pulled was running down field, and McFadden cut right into the DT standing there. Why he didn’t follow the guard which EVERY back is taught starting in Pop Warner is beyond me.

    —————–

    Agreed. I dont see a problem with the scheme.

    If it isnt DMC running into the wrong lane, its a blocker getting blown up, or a ref throwing a flag on the plays that do work.

    DMC needs to buy in. If a player never buys in, then they will NEVER succeed. No matter what. Maybe he has bought in and he’s legitimately struggling despite having faith in the system. Fine, I can live with that. But he needs to step up and get with it, as do his blockers.

    Ive said it before and I’ll say it again, RB’s need to get in a rythmn just like any other skill position player. DMC just hasnt found his rhythmn yet.
    —————–
    If its not the scheme why was DMAC on pace for 2k yards and now he’s on pace for what? barely a 1000? which is no longer impressive btw. and if its not the scheme and its “RHYTHM” Why does goodson look so much better in the zbs? in my line of thought maybe goodson is a better zbs rb than Dmac. crazy logic huh?

    —————

    A different scheme wont prevent DMC from that fumble against Atlanta. Just like it didnt prevent him from fumbling against Buffalo last year.

    A different scheme isnt going to make Wiz 2.0 a better center. He and others, are simply getting beat physically. It’s that simple.

    Our O-Line simply hasnt played well. Some of the pieces are the same, but they are mostly playing different positions. Veldheer hasnt been as good, Wiz should be back at LG, we should have kept Satelle, Brisel has been VERY inconsistent, and Willie Smith is learning on the job.

    And lets not forget, a new scheme isnt going to get the refs off our back. We thought we had a chance with Al dying, but the night and day difference between the replacements and the real refs is proof positive that nothing will ever change for this team with regards to the refs. We have to be EXCELLENT to overcome them. The only time we overcame the refs in the modern era is when this team accepted the fact that the refs are out to get us and the team didnt wilt in the face of it, but used it to motivate them like we did in ’02 after the tuck job. This team needs to stop with the “why us” “poor me” attitude and just accept it for what it is and overcome like a bunch of badda55es. It’s time to man up.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    I think my HUGE criticism of McFadden is, if you can’t get going in one aspect of your game, get going in another aspect of your game. Like a baseball player who makes some great defensive plays if the stick isn’t working. If McFadden can’t run the ball effectively, McFadden HAS TO get the passing game going. Even that has failed miserably. That’s what Superstar players do, they get another aspect of their game up. Speaking of which when McFadden fumbled in the lst quarter of the Falcon game and the DE was rumbling down the field, can someone tell me who made the TD saving tackle?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    A different scheme wont prevent DMC from that fumble against Atlanta. Just like it didnt prevent him from fumbling against Buffalo last year.
    ====================================

    OK sports fans, this should have been a Falcon TD. Who was the player that sucked it up and took down their defensive linemen?

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Why does goodson look so much better in the zbs? in my line of thought maybe goodson is a better zbs rb than Dmac. crazy logic huh?
    =========================================

    What every single coach at every level will tell you: Goodson is hitting the hole harder and faster. Very simple.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    dr_robert Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:15 pm

    mistic—These qb didnt win

    that’s what u said.

    danny white was a cowboy when they won super bowl xII…..as a punter. it was my little joke.

    but u claim they didn’t win. getting to the super bowl is winning. how many black qb’s have gotten there?

    ===========

    please ban this trash bin diving hilbilly. What the hell do rormo, palmer, danny white stan humpries or neil lomax have to do with black qb?!?!?!

    this dude is a racist piece of trash.

    Im comparing romo and palmer this dude is still looking for racial make up.

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    My favorite colors pink and purple as long as the lips get moist,
    i like em dirtier than aguilera looks on the voice,
    i always bang em in my car cuz i live in a rolls royce

    RIP to Nate Dogg

  • Raider Riff

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
    I think my HUGE criticism of McFadden is, if you can’t get going in one aspect of your game, get going in another aspect of your game. Like a baseball player who makes some great defensive plays if the stick isn’t working. If McFadden can’t run the ball effectively, McFadden HAS TO get the passing game going. Even that has failed miserably. That’s what Superstar players do, they get another aspect of their game up. Speaking of which when McFadden fumbled in the lst quarter of the Falcon game and the DE was rumbling down the field, can someone tell me who made the TD saving tackle?

    ———————

    I dont agree with this post.

    DMC has made some great catches in the passing game, (and dropped a huge one against Miami).

    He made a TD saving tackle after the Palmer fumble.

    He has been very effective in picking up the blitz.

    DMC’s enthusiasm has been there. He’s trying. Im not blasting the guy for his effort, just his execution.

    Once he finds his rythymn, we will see some big games. But its going to take everyone to do their part for that rythmn to come.

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  • eastoaklandraider

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    so WHAT IS the difference between last year and this year bush? is the oline? is it the zbs? is it knapp?
    or does DMAC just all of a sudden suck?
    =========================================

    I can tell you exactly what it is. lst off, Wisniewski is not playing very well at center. Neither are the two guards. That triangle has not been very effective. Now again, you are putting in a completely new scheme with completely new players, and the Oline is the ONE UNIT that needs the most reps to get it down regardless of what system you are running. But they have been disapppointing.

    Couple that with the fact that our starting WR’s in game one were DHB and a guys named Streator who had never played an NFL game, along with a unhearalded Brandon Myers and you had defenses keying on McFadden. And rightfully so. Which brings us to Knapp. Knapp force fed the ball to McFadden which did not work well at all.

    So, whaa happens now? Well, with Moore now in there, and DHB healthy and the return signing of Hagan, the WR corp is no longer something other teams can take for granted. Especially with the emergence of Myers and now Ausberry is beginning to look good. The team has to get out of its “run first” kind of mode, into using the pass to set up the running game.

    But I know what you are thinking. So, what’s with the criticism of McFadden then? Watch his runs. He takes a two yard dive like 80% of the time. He is NOT running hard. When he does run hard, he is VERY effective. And you can blame it any way you want but that is fact. The tape clearly shows it. And if that is not enough, the last four games McFadden has had more drops than receptions in the passing game. That’s HARD TO DO. And Goodson has played well. Very well.
    —————————
    Raider Riff Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    RaidersOne Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
    eastoaklandraider,

    so WHAT IS the difference between last year and this year bush? is the oline? is it the zbs? is it knapp?
    or does DMAC just all of a sudden suck?
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    not sure

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    From what Ive seen…

    Our O-Line play is worse. It’s been reshuffled and not identical to the past. But regardless, some of the players just arent playing as good.

    Play calling is different. Im not talking about the difference in scheme, Im talking the difference in actual in game play calling. Knapp can scheme and call plays just fine. But Hue was/is one of the best in the league at in-game play calls. Catching a D off-guard. Hue’s play calling aided our O-Line.

    And we’ve just made to many mistakes. We’ve handicapped our coaching staff in many ways. Reece fumbling the reverse to Taiwan, dropped passes, in-excusible fumbles, and occasional poor WR play are all factors that affect everything.

    The bottom line is that it isnt just ONE single thing. It’s a domino effect.

    Perfectly timed flags by the refs dont help. Neither does DMC’s poor lane and pace choice. You cant ignore the fact that Goodson has no problem in this system and DMC struggles on the same plays. Some of that has to do with the fact that the D expects a pass when Goodson is in the backfield, credit what I said about the playcalling earlier. But some of it also has to do with Goodsons patience and field vision. It’s simply been better than DMC.

    We’ve been a block here and there away from a lot more big runs by DMC. The line has to step up and be more consistent.

    Like I said, it isnt just one thing.
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    Both very good post and I agree with some of both. My thoughts are the same as ever, Knapp and HIS zbs (not what thexans and what the donks ran for years with kubiak) sucks, the Oline is basically the same from last year with the exception of Brisel who btw was supposed to be an upgrade (jury still out on that) IMHO it is def the scheme Veldeer and Wiz are power blockers which is why their play has slipped same can be said for barnes. coop no doubt is a zbs guy along with Brisel but if two thirds of your Oline are power blockers that should tell you what the problem is right there the zbs doesnt fit them thus their regression thus Dmacs regression. And as for Dmac not running hard maybe he’s already checked out knowing this isnt gonna work for him. and as for goodson doing better you said it riff D’s arent keying on him when he enters the game thus more lanes to pick from. it is a domino affect our being able to run last year aided our Oline in pass protecting from the threat of a run now that is no longer the oline has regressed in pass protection also.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    I dont agree with this post.

    DMC has made some great catches in the passing game, (and dropped a huge one against Miami).

    He made a TD saving tackle after the Palmer fumble.

    He has been very effective in picking up the blitz.

    DMC’s enthusiasm has been there. He’s trying. Im not blasting the guy for his effort, just his execution.
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    Don’t get me wrong. I like McFadden. But the results have just not been there. His best play this season other than the long TD run, was the tackle that saved the TD in the last game. THAT, was a GREAT play.

    And the answer to the question: who made the TD saving tackle on McFadden’s fumble early in the last game? Carson Palmer. THAT’S what Superstars do.

  • J Hill

    Veldheer was drafted by Cable as a ZBS guy.

  • Raider Riff

    Both very good post and I agree with some of both. My thoughts are the same as ever, Knapp and HIS zbs (not what thexans and what the donks ran for years with kubiak) sucks, the Oline is basically the same from last year with the exception of Brisel who btw was supposed to be an upgrade (jury still out on that) IMHO it is def the scheme Veldeer and Wiz are power blockers which is why their play has slipped same can be said for barnes. coop no doubt is a zbs guy along with Brisel but if two thirds of your Oline are power blockers that should tell you what the problem is right there the zbs doesnt fit them thus their regression thus Dmacs regression. And as for Dmac not running hard maybe he’s already checked out knowing this isnt gonna work for him. and as for goodson doing better you said it riff D’s arent keying on him when he enters the game thus more lanes to pick from. it is a domino affect our being able to run last year aided our Oline in pass protecting from the threat of a run now that is no longer the oline has regressed in pass protection also.

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    I dont know if DMC has “checked out”. I would guess he hasnt. The effort has been there. He doesnt run down that DE and save a TD if he had “checked out” already.

    And lets stop acting like our O-Line is “basically” the same as last year. It isnt. Wiz is playing a DIFFERENT position. Coop crossed that threshold and is officially a year too old to play this game. Veldheer is the only guy in the same position and he has regressed slightly. Willie Smith is new. The jury is definitely in on Brisel, he’s been poor to mediocre at best.

    A different system wouldnt fix what ails us. I know it seems convenient and simple to just blame the scheme, but its not what is really going on.

  • chuck

    We need this game real bad,we need the players and coaches on top of their game.

  • J Hill

    I thought McFadden showed a lot more patience behind the line this past weekend. That directly translated to him running the ball MUCH better. Yes, I’m factoring in the runs that were called back in how he looked overall.

  • dr_robert

    mistic—LOL! ur such a tool. EVERYONE here knows all u talk about is black qb’s and how they are the “wave of the future” and how palmer and any white qb who hasn’t won a super bowl basically sucks. u try to claim u like some other white guys now and then but it’s basically the manning, rodgers, brady, etc. the guys who have won way too much and would make u look totally foolish if u dissed. but u go on and on about cam newton, who has never won anything and has struggled badly this year, simultaneously saying palmer sucks, when he has outplayed newton (and vick). calling me racist is hilarious. just look at how i ripped fangs last night. ur a blog joke with only ONE topic, simliar to beeech and sulivan. must be tuff being a black panther when they don’t really exist anymore.

  • eastoaklandraider

    who played better in Hues scheme:

    Dmac
    Veldeer
    Wiz
    Barnes
    Moore
    DHB

    who’s play has regressed under knapps scheme :

    Dmac
    Veldeer
    Wiz
    Barnes
    DHB

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    this is not a coincidence folks.

  • J Hill

    And lets stop acting like our O-Line is “basically” the same as last year

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    Yeah, I don’t get that argument at all.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Eastoaklandraider Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
    who played better in Hues scheme:

    Dmac
    Veldeer
    Wiz
    Barnes
    Moore
    DHB
    Reece
    who’s play has regressed under knapps scheme :

    Dmac
    Veldeer
    Wiz
    Barnes
    DHB
    Reece
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    this is not a coincidence folks.

  • Raider Riff

    Seymour Bush Says:
    October 18th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
    I dont agree with this post.

    DMC has made some great catches in the passing game, (and dropped a huge one against Miami).

    He made a TD saving tackle after the Palmer fumble.

    He has been very effective in picking up the blitz.

    DMC’s enthusiasm has been there. He’s trying. Im not blasting the guy for his effort, just his execution.
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    Don’t get me wrong. I like McFadden. But the results have just not been there.

    THAT’S what Superstars do.

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    And it is exactly what DMC did.

    And it’s exactly what he did when he picked that screen pass up off his toe nails and took it for 20 on the game tying drive at the end.

    Agreed, the overall production hasnt been there, but we’ve already rehashed over and over why that is, and it certainly isnt for lack of talent or effort on DMC’s part.

    These guys watch the film and it dont lie. DMC is in that film room, its hard to “check out” of a system when the tape shows that it would work if he had made a cut here or there, or Meyers wasnt getting thrown into the backfield, or if our Guards could do a decent pull and make their block.

    This is simple stuff we are getting beat at.

    Stay faithful in DMC. He’s been part of the problem, but he will get it right at some point and we shouldnt dog him nearly as much as the other guys who arent pulling their weight. At least with DMC, we know what he is capable of.

  • inonewordraider

    . Yes, I’m factoring in the runs that were called back in how he looked overall.
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    as you should, it woulda been the 2nd 100 yrd game of the season if not for the refs. this game will be the tell tale sign if we’re a contender:

    1: will be able to run the ball this year
    2: can our D actually stop the run
    3: can CP make sure we beat an inferior team

  • dr_robert

    inonewordraider—congrats on ur entry into the gayest blog party ever. don’t let all the pretend talk about strippers cover up the real agenda–talking about weiners, nads, pubes, dumps, etc. i’m sure ur very proud to get the inside dope about another guy’s gay fantasies. u go boy!