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Raiders not sheepish about taking ‘ugly’ win

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, October 21st, 2012 at 7:11 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Just as the Raiders took no solace in an inspired effort in a 23-20 loss to the Atlanta Falcons, they aren’t the least bit worried about walking away from a 26-23 overtime victory against the Jacksonville Jaguars on Sunday.
“There’s no stealing in the NFL,” Raiders free safety Michael Huff said. “A win is a win. We’ll take it.”
They have no choice, actually. In the end, Huff is right, these are the kind of games the good teams find a way to win, and they don’t ask questions.
With the victory, the Raiders improved to 2-4 and moved within one game of the AFC West lead. The San Diego Chargers and Denver Broncos are tied atop the division at 3-3 — the three other AFC West teams were idle Sunday.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said he and his players have every right to feel good about beating the Jaguars, even if they aren’t pleased with the route they took to get there.
“We feel good about winning,” Allen said. “That’s what you’re supposed to do in this league, you’re supposed to win games. Am I pleased with the way we played, especially in the first half? Absolutely not. We’ve got to play better.
“Anytime you get an opportunity to win in the National Football League. you can’t take that for granted. So, I’m happy that we won the football game.”
Quarterback Carson Palmer took the Falcons loss especially hard as a result of a pass he attempted that Asante Samuel intercepted and returned for a touchdown.
On Sunday, Palmer said is thrilled by the way the Raiders persevered in the face of adversity and emerged with an improbable victory.
“An ugly win’s better than a pretty loss, I know that,” Palmer said. “I’ve played this game long enough to know that just getting a win, finding any way to get a win… against a desperate team, a team that’s kicking onside kicks with a 14 point lead and changing things up.
“I’m just proud of the way we fought, because it wasn’t pretty. We did not play up to our standard and play the way we’re coached at times. Guys hung in there, the defense played great, got us the ball back. It’s just good to get out of here with a win.”

– The Jaguars entered the game last in the league with three sacks through five games. At times Sunday, their defensive linemen played like The Fearsome Foursome.
The Jaguars sacked Palmer twice, hit him six other times and spent most of the day keeping Palmer on the run.
Palmer and the offensive linemen said the Jaguars did a nice job of incorporating some new wrinkles into their scheme during the bye week. Those are things that didn’t show up on the video the Raiders watched of the Jaguars first five games.
“That was a desperate team,” Palmer said. “They needed a win and they did a lot of uncharacteristic things. They’re coming off a bye, they did some things that they hadn’t previously shown. We kept countering it on the sideline with the coaches and kept slowing them down.
“That front four doesn’t have a ton of sacks, but they get after the quarterback. They’re relentless and we did a good job up front in the second half especially giving us some time to get the ball to the outside and to the receivers.”
In the end, the Raiders offensive line did just enough and gave Palmer just enough time on certain downs for Palmer to get accomplished what he needed.
“We were expecting maybe some unscouted looks, but they really brought it,” Wisniewski said. “They brought the intensity, brought some different looks here and there. But there’s no excuse. We’ve got to be a lot better as an O-line and an offense.”
Allen echoed his offensive linemen when he said, there’s work to be done between now and next Sunday’s game against the Kansas City Chiefs.
“They won the battle up front, there’s no question about it,” Allen said of the Jaguars. “We weren’t able to run the ball effectively. We had too much pressure on the quarterback. That will be something that we will have to look at. We have to get that corrected moving forward.”

– The Raiders improved to 18-18 in overtime games all-time. This was their first overtime game this season.

– A 23-yard reception by rookie wide receiver Rod Streater late in the game enabled Allen to send on Sebastian Janikowski for a 64-yard field-goal attempt.
The kick would have given the Raiders the victory in regulation and Janikowski the NFL record for longest field goal made. He is one of four kickers with a 63-yarder.
As it turned out, Janikowski’s kick came up well short, with Aaron Ross catching the ball in the middle of the end zone and returning it past the Jaguars 30.

– You hear all the time about the Raiders getting the short end of the stick when it comes to the officiating. We likely won’t be hearing about that this week.
The Raiders benfitted from several questionable calls, including a pass interference on a fourth-and-10 play that preceeded their game-tying touchdown late in the fourth quarter.
There also was a pass interference called on a Jaguars receiver that thwarted a fourth-quarter drive, as well as a few others.
As one Raiders player said, “It felt good to be on the other side of those close calls for a change.”

– This was supposed to be the game the Raiders running game got untracked. After all, the Jaguars were 31st against the run at 163 yards per game and near the bottom at 4.7 yards per carry.
Not to be. Once again. The Raiders amassed 69 yards on 26 carries, with lead back Darren McFadden held to 53 yards on 19 carries (2.8-yard average).

– Outside linebacker credited a second-half turnaround to some fiery words from players in the locker room at halftime.
“There was a lot of cursing, a lot of, ‘We got to come through, we got to make a play. If we don’t make a play, we’re not going to win,’ ” Wheeler said. “Shoot, we came out and somebody said something in the locker room that hit with everybody and we just came out in synch.”
Whatever they said, it worked. The Jaguars managed only 54 yards offense and two field goals in the second half and overtime.
Palmer said offensive coordinator Greg Knapp tore into the offensive players, as well.
“Coach Knapp was not happy at halftime, so to speak,” Palmer said. “We had a great game plan coming in and we weren’t executing those (as) individuals. It starts with me being the quarterback. You got to execute and you got to execute the game plan.
“Coach Knapp let us have it, and we took it as almost a threat. He was all over us and sometimes you need that from your coach. He picked the right time. He doesn’t always do that but he picked the right time and let us have it and we came together and found ways to move the ball and found ways to score in the second half.”

– Once again, the Raiders defense fared well against the run.
On Sunday, they held the Jaguars to 54 yards on 26 carries. Sure, it helped that Jaguars lead back Maurice Jones-Drew left the game after only one series with a foot injury.
Still, the Raiders defense did an impressive job of hitting the ballcarrier soon after he touched the ball and not allowing him to get into the secondary. The Jaguars’ longest run netted 8 yards.

– The Raiders forced only one turnover, but it came at the right time.
On third-and-20 from their own 9-yard line, in overtime, Jaguars wide receiver Cecil Shorts hauled in a short pass from Chad Henne and headed downfield.
Shorts was met by defensive end Lamarr Houston, who separated the ball from Shorts, with cornerback Joselio Hanson falling on the ball.
“That’s the type of effort we’re looking for and those are the types of plays and type of effort we’re looking for, the guys that are going to give that type of effort on a down in and down out basis,” Allen said. “When he continues to play that way, he’ll continue to make plays.”
Houston said it’s just part of sticking with the play and finding a way to become part of the action.
“It’s guys closing to the ball,” Houston said, “and the wide receiver wasn’t paying attention to me and I was just running (to the ball) like I was coached. I ended up making a great play.”

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  • LA to TheBay

    In One Word,

    I agree with that much. DA doesn’t have his head completely in the sand. He has adjusted. Green sticker off 55′s helmet, more PBS stuff since bye, D geling (jelling? whatever).

    But I think all that needed ‘fixing’ was the defense, where as the offense just needed a tune up.

    It’s a shame Cp is playing so well without any run support to help him out.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Maurice JOnes Drew and Stephen Jackson are both UDFA next year

  • http:///Albert_B_Paine Albert Bigelow Paine

    Jackson is done. MJD might want to play in Oakland.

  • LA to TheBay

    Do you believe that DA and Knapp would have ever believed that DMAC would have had this much trouble making reads and cuts??

    ———

    Knapp would.

    Hey, I wouldn’t make Peterson a zone runner and I wouldn’t make a Clinton Portis a power guy.

    Some guys are suited to certain schemes.

    That’s why 3-4 and 4-3 OLBs aren’t interchangeable.

    DMAC outruns the ZBS and doesn’t make multiple reads.

    Plow open a lane and let the young man rumble. Problem solved, and I’d charge Reggie a lot less than Knapp for my advice.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    THey need to use Ausberry and REECE more. also get goodson in the back field and line up DMAC at WR if u have to.

    DMAC still a playmaker

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    LA To TheBay Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    What’s the debate?

    You have DMC, possibly the best RB in the game.

    ===================================================

    3.1 YPC does not make for the “best RB in the game,” or anything close to it.

  • LA to TheBay

    I think we’ll continue to mix in more PBS and I think the run game will get going eventually. I also think, we should sub in Goodson more too, if nothing else than to keep opposing Ds honest and he’s a threat in the screen game.

  • LA to TheBay

    Duck,

    I think you’re a good poster and a smart guy, so please don’t take offense when I say:

    What was his average through the first six games in 2010 and 2011 with an OC with a brain?

    Thanks.

  • Dakota

    This blog cracks me up.

    Our entire coaching staff blows.

    Our GM is questionable.

    Our o-line stinks.

    Our WRs are marginal.

    And what is the topic of discussion? McFadden. Our best player. A player that ran for 5.5 ypc the past two years, suddenly it is somehow his fault that everything Greg Knapp has changed has been a complete failure. It is his fault for being drafted by an inept organization.

    Give me a fkin break.

    Dumbest fans in America!

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    LA To TheBay Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
    Duck,

    I think you’re a good poster and a smart guy, so please don’t take offense when I say:

    What was his average through the first six games in 2010 and 2011 with an OC with a brain?

    Thanks.

    ===========================================

    Not sure. Don’t feel like doing the math. Here’s where I’m getting my numbers from:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McFaDa00.htm

  • LA to TheBay

    Hey, if we have fundamentally changed our philosophy as an organization for the long haul, then please do get at LEAST a #1 and a 3 or player for DMC, as we will have more success with a guy suited for the ZBS.

    But in a year, when Knapp is fired for reasons not necessarily just regarding run scheme and we get a guy with half a brain as OC, we’ll all be kicking ourselves when DMC runs wild in NE.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    wow Maurice jones drew not has the same injury ford has and DMAC had last year. Crazy. they almost got tackled the same way DMAC did last year.. and like the foot gets rolled up

  • LA to TheBay

    RUE THE DAY, LOL.

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    backstageatapuppetshow Says:
    September 25th, 2012 at 9:22 pm

    So far….the worst component in the Raider organization is Reggie McKenzie….

    That’s a FACT!
    ——
    Dumb f*ck statement by one of the blog’s biggest dumb f*cks.
    ____________________

    The fact that you find it necessary to drum up one of my post’s about our GM from over a month ago “SCREAMS” more about “YOU” and “YOUR INTENTION” for being here than it ever could in your attempts to discredit me….

    Pick on someone else buddy….while it is true you very well might know who I AM you have no idea WHAT I KNOW!

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    McFalldown is SOFT.

    I feel SHAME when she runs out of bounds.

    Just Win Baby.

  • DJ Johnny

    952.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
    Maurice JOnes Drew and Stephen Jackson are both UDFA next year

    I assume you mean Un-restricted FA’s as opposed to “Un-drafted” FA’s.

    MJD has more left in the tank than Jackson, but Jackson is a beast and will remain so for at least a couple more yrs. i would guess.

  • inonewordraider

    what do you “tape watchers” think about the oline? Veldheer didn’t get beat like this last year. Smith has gotten beat alot more than Barnes did last year. Are there holes for DMAC to run through? is it the oline talent, the oline coaching or the oline scheme? DMAC ran better with power, but we were still better than we are now pass blocking and running with Cable’s zbs, so what gives?

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    inonewordraider Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:20 pm

    what do you “tape watchers” think about the oline? Veldheer didn’t get beat like this last year. Smith has gotten beat alot more than Barnes did last year. Are there holes for DMAC to run through? is it the oline talent, the oline coaching or the oline scheme? DMAC ran better with power, but we were still better than we are now pass blocking and running with Cable’s zbs, so what gives?
    ____________________________________________

    A better question would be WHY DID COACH WIZ leave shortly before the start of the season?

  • The Big Banana

    Lol, Dakota.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    McFadden is the problem?
    Really? The same guy that averaged 5+ YPC the last 2 seasons?
    Monkeys!!

  • theghostronin79

    A better question would be WHY DID COACH WIZ leave shortly before the start of the season?

    ==========

    Cause nobody listened to him when he said “This sh*t ain’t gonna work Gents, and I won’t put my name on it.”

  • http:///Albert_B_Paine Albert Bigelow Paine

    McFadden is not the problem. But, if you can get a good deal for him, trade him. He’s just wasting away with the Raiders.

  • Dakota

    Dwight Howard is a Laker.

    AMC is back on Dish.

    ND is on its way to a National Championship.

    Life is guuuuuuud.

  • Dakota

    972.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
    McFadden is not the problem. But, if you can get a good deal for him, trade him. He’s just wasting away with the Raiders.

    ++++++++++++

    This I agree with. It would be a shame to waste McFadden’s talents on this team while DA takes another season to figure out that Greg Knapp is a fktard.

    Trade Palmer as well.

    Someone mentioned the Jets…..hell yeah the Jets with Palmer and McFadden? That would be nice for both of those players.

    No sense wasting players’ careers on imbecilic coaching staffs.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Let’s not blame the OC with history of being below average and an offense ranked in the 20′s with 4 different teams.
    Let’s not blame the new scheme that doesn’t fit our OL and star RB.
    Let’s not blame the poor OL play.

    Blame the best player on the Team. DMAC.

    Monkeys!!!!

  • inonewordraider

    Trade Palmer as well.
    ______________
    you’ll have mistic smiling ear to ear, even tho geno, russell wilson, cam and RGIII lost

  • backstageatapuppetshow
  • oakfoshow

    787.RaiderDuck Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 10:38 am
    Oakfoshow Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 10:30 am
    Pure luck.That d-pass interference call is what won this game.They looked absolutly lost out there in the first half,nobody seemed to know what the fk they were doing.Further evidence that Reggie screwed this team up and should be first to go.

    ===========================================

    Reggie will be the GM of this team at least until the next Presidential election, and hopefully much longer.

    Deal with it.

    Ya see? This is the exact reason why I say “dumbest football fans in the world are on this blog”.Its not enough for you to see us BARELY 2-4.Its not enough to see this is not half the team we had last year.Your just plain to fkn stupid to understand any of this arent you? Stick with baseball,you dont belong in the Raider nation.The watermelon will be gone after the season,and I will be here to remind you all every chance I get.

  • RaidingTexas

    DMAC Says:

    + lots of fans went home after our horrible 1st half.

    ——————–

    Fake azz fans, like a lot of posters around here.

  • RaidingTexas

    Wonder if Brady Quinn harbors a grudge about that 2007 draft.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Meanwhile, Oakfoshow aka “Dumb White Trash Cracker” is back…

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Seriously, Oakfoshow: Don’t comment on a football blog until you have something worthwhile to contribute. Not that you ever will…

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Raider O Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    Let’s not blame the OC with history of being below average and an offense ranked in the 20’s with 4 different teams.
    Let’s not blame the new scheme that doesn’t fit our OL and star RB.
    Let’s not blame the poor OL play.

    Blame the best player on the Team. DMAC.

    Monkeys!!!!

    ============================================

    You’re saying our best player is a running back averaging 3.1 YPC?

  • gangosix

    Hello people,first time poster here and not somebody with multiple “personalitys”he he. Anyways just had a comment about the San Diego cheaters using a sticky substance on a towel in the second half. Maybe it was their wad from the first half. He he

  • Dakota

    Morons in here complaining about McFadden didn’t say a thing when he was averaging 5.5 yards per carry under the previous offensive coaching staff…..talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face lol.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Dakota Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
    Morons in here complaining about McFadden didn’t say a thing when he was averaging 5.5 yards per carry under the previous offensive coaching staff…..talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face lol.

    ==========================================

    Again, this means he’s a good system back, but not an “elite” back. And he may not be right for our system.

  • realtruraider

    LA to TheBay Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    What’s the debate?

    You have DMC, possibly the best RB in the game. He operates best in a particular system (you wouldn’t like a purely cover 2 CB in a man scheme would you? We’ve seen what that looks like).

    Ok, so we get an OC that installs plays this amazing talent can succeed with.

    Then he procedes to run all over people.

    He was off to a near-record breaking pace last year before injury.

    So, of course, we would install a system he doesn’t fit into this year.

    Some parts are interchangeable. Sometimes certain parts only fit in certain equipment, ya dig?

    Why install an inferior scheme with superior talent?

    Dumb.

    ZBS is for teams that don’t have road graders and guys like DMC!!

    ——————————————————

    Good fkin post. I was reading through some of the other post and couldn’t believe how clueless some fans are. Its not fkin rocket science, just look at the post from 3 years ago and alot of people were sayin the same thing about DMC and guess what scheme and offense we were running? Yep the same exact one we are running now. Now go look at the post from the last 2 years about DMC, totally different and I wonder why…….

    Its the fkin scheme and oline not being coached up worth a schit. Romo and LO and Rod Woodson know it but some on here just like to think they no more and blah..blah..blah… well guess what, you don’t know schit

  • Dakota

    Give every other NFL GM a chance to take one player off the Oakland Raiders roster, and 90% of them are taking McFadden…..and the others would only take a different player due to need.

    He is far and away our most talented player.

  • RaidersOne

    Dakota Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
    Give every other NFL GM a chance to take one player off the Oakland Raiders roster, and 90% of them are taking McFadden…..and the others would only take a different player due to need.

    He is far and away our most talented player
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Lol, I doubt after this season there will be many takers for DMAC. He’s just not that talented.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    RaiderDuck Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:52 pm

    Raider O Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
    Let’s not blame the OC with history of being below average and an offense ranked in the 20’s with 4 different teams.
    Let’s not blame the new scheme that doesn’t fit our OL and star RB.
    Let’s not blame the poor OL play.

    Blame the best player on the Team. DMAC.

    Monkeys!!!!

    ============================================

    You’re saying our best player is a running back averaging 3.1 YPC?
    =======================================

    McFadden is our best player? He’s not even our best running back.

    McFadden 103 Carries 324 yards

    Goodson 11 Carries 89 yards

    And if you take McFaddens one good run away, Goodson basically has half the production in ONE TENTH the work. But you guys are right it is everything BUT McFadden! It is blocking, the coaching, the fans, the football, the bolts holding up the stadium.

    But hey, just for fun, let’s check out the passing stats:

    McFadden 25 receptions for 167 yards

    Goodson 8 receptions for 121 yards. Oh, and a TD.

    So again, Goodson has almost as much production as McFadden with 33% of the workload. And a TD! And let’s not talk about how many drops McFadden has had.

    But once again, you monkeys are right! He’s our best player.

  • RaidersOne

    LA to TheBay Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    What’s the debate?

    You have DMC, possibly the best RB in the game
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Where do you get this – DMAC is possibly the best back in football??? Because he had two excellent games last season against teams in disarray???

  • Dakota

    989.RaidersOne Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Lol, I doubt after this season there will be many takers for DMAC. He’s just not that talented.
    +++++++++++++++

    Like I said….dumbest fans in America.

  • Dakota

    Now Mike Goodson is better than McFadden……smh….you poor dumbfks lol.

  • realtruraider

    Yep bunch of clueless fans on this blog today

  • RaidersOne

    Check DMAC’s stats against those of Marcus Allen in their first four seasons: DMAC has a third of the production, and has never been chosen MVP of a Superbowl.

    DMAC is a good back, but not great and nowhere near elite.

  • Plunketthead

    Wow thanks for signing in to share that

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Dakota Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 3:05 pm

    Now Mike Goodson is better than McFadden……smh….you poor dumbfks lol.
    ===============================================

    Not saying he is better. But there is NO DOUBT he is much more productive. See, that’s the problem with most of you. You fall in love with certain players and they can do no wrong. And hate certain players, and they can do no right. See, I only fall in love with production. And hate lack of production. (See Seymour, and see McClain.)

  • RaidersOne

    Dakota Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
    989.RaidersOne Says:
    October 22nd, 2012 at 3:01 pm

    Lol, I doubt after this season there will be many takers for DMAC. He’s just not that talented.
    +++++++++++++++

    Like I said….dumbest fans in America.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Dakota,

    We are not dumb. Peruse DMAC’s stats: stats are not dumb nor do they lie.

    DMAC is just not that good. Even last season, DMAC had two great games, but the rest were mediocre because they were top tier teams and limited his running yards to about 50 per game.

  • inonewordraider

    yes i have an agenda. saying dmac is an issue is like saying cp is our issue because he hasn’t been a winner. there are other circumstance involved. when goodson is in they aren’t sellin out on or worried about the run. is he a better zbs fit? maybe

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    When you plug other players in and they are more productive you can no longer blame the coaches, footballs, blocking, stadium bolts, etc. (See Russell, Jamarcus and Gradkowski, Bruce)