Palmer having career-year, validating trade that brought him to Oakland
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, October 24th, 2012 at 4:32 pm in Oakland Raiders.
For whatever reason, Carson Palmer hasn’t been able to win over the Raiders fan base since his arrival here a year ago.
Strange, too, given Palmer bailed out the Raiders from a tough situation when then-starter Jason Campbell suffered a season-ending collarbone injury and how well he has played this season.
Palmer is on pace for 4,619 yards passing this season, which would eclipse his career-high by almost 500 yards. He passed for more than 4,000 yards twice in his eight seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals — he didn’t play his rookie season — but he hasn’t reached that mark in five seasons.
Some people feel as if then-coach Hue Jackson gave up too much to wrest Palmer from the Bengals. The deal just before the 2011 trade deadline cost the Raiders their first-round pick in this year’s draft, as well as their second-rounder in 2013.
Yet, they tend to overlook the fact that the Raiders weren’t going anywhere with Kyle Boller as the replacement for Campbell. They had to make a drastic move, and such moves come with a heavy price sometimes.
Palmer relieved Boller in the seventh game last season, a touch past halftime of a blowout loss at the Coliseum. He started the final nine games.
Therefore, Palmer has played in the equivalent of an entire season since he joined the Raiders. In those 16 games, Palmer has completed 347 of 569 passes (61 percent) for 4,485 yards, with 20 TDs and 20 interceptions.
It says here, Palmer unquestionably is the best quarterback the Raiders have had since Rich Gannon cobbled together four straight remarkable seasons from 1999-2002.
Palmer is signed through the 2016 season. He turns 33 late this season, yet he is playing as well, or better, than he did during his prime.
Coach Dennis Allen time and again makes it clear that he is firmly behind Palmer. For example, Allen praised Palmer for the way he accepted blame for the Raiders loss to the Atlanta Falcons.
“That’s the type of quarterback you want; a guy that’s going to step up and take responsibility and not look to pass the buck on anybody else,” Allen said. “Carson has played extremely well for us. He’s a stand-up guy, and that’s one of the reasons that I’m glad he’s our quarterback.”
– Wide receiver Juron Criner (hip), defensive end Matt Shaughnessy (shoulder) and safety Mike Mitchell (ankle) suffered injuries in practice today. All three were limited as a result.
Allen said he is unsure whether any of the injuries is serious enough to cause the players to miss much time.
“We’ll have to get in here with the trainers and see where we’re at,” Allen said.
Shaughnessy missed most of last season with a shoulder injury that required surgery. Allen said he doesn’t know yet whether Shaughnessy injured the same shoulder.
– The Raiders released No. 1 cornerback Stanford Routt during the offseason, sending him packing with a satchel full of guaranteed money and a thanks for six seasons’ service.
Routt landed with the Chiefs, where he is paired with Brandon Flowers as the starting cornerbacks. As to how well Routt is faring, here’s coach Romeo Crennel’s take:
“Stanford has been learning our system, and he has been coming on,” Crennel said in a conference call. “He has an interception. He had a rough outing the last time. He was in position to make plays, and we didn’t make them. The opponent made them. Otherwise, he has been working well.”
The Raiders signed veterans Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer to help fill the void created by Routt’s departure. Bartell suffered a shoulder injury in the first game, Spencer hurt his foot in the second game. Neither has played ever since.
Routt allowed 47.4 percent of the passes thrown his way to be completed last season. This season, that figures has spiked to 58.1 percent, according to STATS Inc. Teams completed 18 of 31 passes for 328 yards and one touchdown vs. Routt the first six games. By comparison, former Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha has allowed 16 receptions in 31 passes for 318 an two touchdowns in six games for the Eagles this season.
Safety Mike Mitchell, whose locker was next to Routt’s, enjoyed giving his former teammate a bad time from afar. Mitchell said he texts with Routt often, but not this week. Asked if he thought Palmer would target Routt and try and get some penalty yards, Mitchell said, “I wish he would. I wish we would run at him every play and throw at him every play, just so he has to work. Let’s make him work. Let’s make it hard on him, let’s not make it easy on him. I feel that’s how he would want it and it’s definitely how we want it. We want to make him compete.”
Mitchell also relayed a story told by Routt after he’d been released and signed by the rival Kansas City Chiefs.
“He told me, I’m not mad, I’m getting paid by half the AFC West,” Mitchell said. “My whole thing, I just want to make him earn his money. I want to run at him every play, I want to throw at him every play. Make him earn that money.”
– The Raiders faced the Jaguars coming off a bye week. On Sunday, they face a Chiefs team that also is fresh from a bye.
The Jaguars surprised the Raiders by installing several defensive looks during the extra time to prepare. Those changes caused the Raiders fit in terms of running the ball and protecting Palmer.
Crennel said he and his coaches spent their time focusing more on ways to get more production from a team that went 1-5 before the bye.
“I wanted to work on us and kind of get through us, improve this game,” Crennel said. “So, we worked on fundamentals and the things that we need to do to try to be better in all phases of the game.”
Allen said facing teams coming off a bye presents some challenges for the Raiders in terms of playing a team that is fresh and has had an extra week to game plan for the Raiders.
“We all understand what they’re going through because we just went through the same things a couple of weeks ago,” Allen said. “So, we know that they’re going to come out ready to play, they’ll be emotionally, physically and mentally ready to play, and we’ve got to be ready to meet that challenge.”
– In a strange coincidence, Raiders running back Darren McFadden is playing against the Chiefs in the seventh game of the season. That’s the same opponent and game number in which McFadden suffered a Lisfranc injury that sidelined him for the final nine-plus games.
McFadden rushed twice for 4 yards against the Chiefs last season in a game played at the Coliseum before he suffered his injury. He missed the rest of the season.
Also of note, McFadden suffered the first of his two turf-toe injuries his rookie season against the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium, when he was dragged down from behind by safety Bernard Pollard at the end of a long run.
Good thing the game isn’t played on Halloween this year.
– The three previous Raiders coaches went undefeated against the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium. Now it’s Allen’s turn to see if he can keep the streak going.
Two of Lane Kiffin’s five victories in 20 games as the Raiders head coach came against the Chiefs on the road. Tom Cable guided the Raiders to two straight victories there, as well. Hue Jackson went 1-0 at Arrowhead Stadium in his lone season as coach.
– Allen said he is impressed by the way defensive end Lamarr Houston has played. Houston was named AFC Defensive Player of the Week for his play against the Jaguars on Sunday.
“I’m extremely proud of him and the way that he’s played,” Allen said. “He’s a guy that has continued to get better, that’s really bought into the effort part playing defense. If he continues to do the things that he’s been doing, his talent will allow him to be a productive player.”
Allen said Houston is the kind of player that can play inside and outside, but he doesn’t want to limit him to one position. He views Houston as a player that can make plays from anywhere on the field and someone determined to make an impact every play.
– A couple of things wrong with the idea of going no-huddle all the time, in theory putting the game in the hands of Palmer and bypassing offensive coordiantor Greg Knapp.
First, Palmer says it won’t work. Second, Palmer said Knapp calls most of the plays in the no-huddle.
“If that’s all you’re going to come into the game with you completely limit yourself, from personnel groups, to formations, to protections, in the red zone, on third down, (when you’re) backed up,’’ Palmer said. “It’s not feasible. It’s a good change-up. It gets us out of a rut every once in awhile . . . it’s not something you can run all the time.’’
While Palmer has more latitude to change plays at the line of scrimmage in the no-huddle based on what he sees from the defense, he disputes the notion that the system turns him into a play-caller.
“A lot of times in no-huddle coach Knapp’s calling the plays,’’ Palmer said. “The majority of the time.’’
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October 24th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Holla!
October 24th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
She said 2 dolla funtime
October 24th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Mistic?
October 24th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Mistic, where are you?
October 24th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Palmer has been absolutely OUTSTANDING.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
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October 24th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
PALMER is OUTSTANDING!
October 24th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
routt getting burned all day by moore! and boss getting ran over too!
October 24th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Palmer is playing well. But, 4,000 yards passing doesn’t mean much. Jay Schroeder had a 4,000 yard season once.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RaidersOne Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
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Hurry for your stripper’s sake. Too bad the stripper is male.
As far as a “Level 4 Meltdown” you are the one sketching, buggery baby.
Don’t you have something more creative to do?
I finished work early and am here for awhile; you on the other hand have been here all morning and afternoon.
For what purpose ? Rear end hunting, I presume.
Now bow down to your Master and quit the backtalk, Squeeb.
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October 24th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Cork sure is a Knapp azz-kisser.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
“Validating the trade that brought him to Oakland”, Cork put down the Kool-Aid.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
“A lot of times in no-huddle coach Knapp’s calling the plays,’’ Palmer said. “The majority of the time.’’
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That sounds like company-man talk to me.
The whole thing sounds like Palmer protecting his boss.
I’ve heard every excuse in the book why we can’t run it more often, and yet why has Manning ran it nearly his whole career without these problems?
Or NE running it for an entire game?
Palmer is jumping on a grenade for his moron boss.
I guess that is commendable at best, or a smoke screen for this weeks game as IDEAL.
We need more no-huddle to WIN! Same as we needed less McClain to win. The entire fan base knows this… the coaches have blinders on for some reason… and we can’t blame it on Al anymore.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
devilr8er Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
“Validating the trade that brought him to Oakland”, Cork put down the Kool-Aid.
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Watch the “coaches film” at NFL.com of last week with Palmer either completing a pass instead of getting sacked, or getting rid of it.
Most normal QB’s would have been sacked 10 times last Sunday. Palmer was sacked twice.
And he orchestrated enough come-from-behind offense to win.
BEST QB SINCE GANNON.
Hands down.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
no way you guys think palmer is better than JC?
October 24th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Poor Mistic. Finally comes out to play then Cork slaps him with this. Lol.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
funny that this article is trying to spin this flop into something other than what it is, a total one way fleece job by the bungles.
first the obvious, palmer was brought here for one reason only…..take this team to the playoffs. that is why hu jack made the trade win now. plamer has done anything but. he did not take us to the playoffs last year so the deal isnt worth what we paid.
Is palmer leading us to the playoffs this year? i doubt it highly, so again he isnt delivering what he was supposed to, and it is the only reaosn he was brought here.
nobody cares about stats, when they dont lead to wins. wins and losses are the most important stat, and second is the turn over number. In 15 games palmer has a whopping 24 turnovers.
maybe thats good enough for cork, maybe cork has palmer on his fantasy team, but that doesnt remove the fumes slowly rising from this dead dog.
Is palmer playing better yes, but is 7 tds 7 turnovers with a 2-4 record worth the price we paid? I think not
October 24th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
“Validating the trade that brought him to Oakland”
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he did enough offensively to get us to the playoffs last year, all the d was stop the lions or sd, getting to the playoffs makes it worth it and he did enough. what would are record have been with boller and what would you be saying then?
October 24th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Wonder how much Corky was paid by the Raiders to write such crappola?
Seems like everything is so happy in CP’s lil world.
Time for Corko and CP to get a “transpoosion.”
October 24th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
BEST QB SINCE GANNON.
Hands down.
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Easily. Show me anyone else that can succeed with such an ineffective run game and getting pressure on every drop back. Soup would have floundered in the same set of circumstances.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Palmer is going to put up great numbers, but I don’t think he’s a long term answer. He’s mistake prone. He’s like Favre, and I don’t mean 1996 Brett Favre. I mean 2010 Brett Favre.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Unfortunately with Palmer, the “doh” factor seems to follow his impressive numbers.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Btw, I am not saying Palmer’s performance isn’t commendable; it is.
It’s just he protects Big Head (Knapp) to an unconsionable degree.
October 24th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
funny that this article is trying to spin this flop into something other than what it is, a total one way fleece job by the bungles.
first the obvious, palmer was brought here for one reason only…..take this team to the playoffs. that is why hu jack made the trade win now. plamer has done anything but. he did not take us to the playoffs last year so the deal isnt worth what we paid.
Is palmer leading us to the playoffs this year? i doubt it highly, so again he isnt delivering what he was supposed to, and it is the only reaosn he was brought here.
nobody cares about stats, when they dont lead to wins. wins and losses are the most important stat, and second is the turn over number. In 15 games palmer has a whopping 24 turnovers.
maybe thats good enough for cork, maybe cork has palmer on his fantasy team, but that doesnt remove the fumes slowly rising from this dead dog.
Is palmer playing better yes, but is 7 tds 7 turnovers with a 2-4 record worth the price we paid? I think not
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so you decided to come out of hiding?
let’s check passer ratings shall we:
Russell Wilson 23rd
Cam Newton 24th
Michael Vick 27th
is this the “new wave” of below average passers?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RaidersOne Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Btw, I am not saying Palmer’s performance isn’t commendable; it is.
It’s just he protects Big Head (Knapp) to an unconsionable degree.
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And if he threw Knapp under the bus, you’d be criticizing him for that too. Some guys can’t win when the fan base is unhappy. Palmer meanwhile is just being a leader. There is nothing to be gained by calling out Knapp at this stage. Nothing. We’re not changing OCs.
Palmer is saying what he should be saying as a leader of this team. Newton should take notes.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Carson Palmer has a better passer rating than:
Philip Rivers
Tony Romo
Joe Flacco
Sam Bradford
Russel Wilson*
Cam Newton*
Matthew Stafford
Jay Cutler
Matt Hasselback
Mike Vick
*denotes new wave QB’s of the future
All this with a poor oline and no running game.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
by the way, how’d geno smith do his last two games?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
funny that this article is trying to spin this flop into something other than what it is, a total one way fleece job by the bungles.
first the obvious, palmer was brought here for one reason only…..take this team to the playoffs. that is why hu jack made the trade win now. plamer has done anything but. he did not take us to the playoffs last year so the deal isnt worth what we paid.
Is palmer leading us to the playoffs this year? i doubt it highly, so again he isnt delivering what he was supposed to, and it is the only reaosn he was brought here.
nobody cares about stats, when they dont lead to wins. wins and losses are the most important stat, and second is the turn over number. In 15 games palmer has a whopping 24 turnovers.
maybe thats good enough for cork, maybe cork has palmer on his fantasy team, but that doesnt remove the fumes slowly rising from this dead dog.
Is palmer playing better yes, but is 7 tds 7 turnovers with a 2-4 record worth the price we paid? I think not
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It’s funny Mistic will use the fumbles, caused by the other D while Palmer is in the act of throwing to use it in TO category to validate his posts hahaha LMFAO…
he’s going to say it’s quarterbacks fault if he fumbles when getting while in throwing motion.. lMFAO .. that’s the hardest thing to avoid ..
October 24th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Palmer will be solid for this team.
Look at how he is playing depsite:
WORST RUN GAME IN LEAGUE
Terrible RT and pass protection
Mix bag of WR’s thrown together
Defense that started season awful and no forced turnovers.
No punt return or KO return field position help.
As everything gets better around him he will really shine.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
krappy cant even get hit by the bus when he tries his hardest…
October 24th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
and mcheese refers to reggie not rolando…
October 24th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
would we have even won a game this year with JC as qb? i say, no way
October 24th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
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It’s funny Mistic will use the fumbles, caused by the other D while Palmer is in the act of throwing to use it in TO category to validate his posts hahaha LMFAO…
he’s going to say it’s quarterbacks fault if he fumbles when getting while in throwing motion.. lMFAO .. that’s the hardest thing to avoid ..
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This article used stats as a validation claim, but it left off the two biggest stats wins and turn over to td.
Once you remind yourself why he was brought here in the first place ( playoffs or bust) then add in the 6-10 record and the mind blowing 24 turnovers in only 15 games, it sobers you up rather quickly.
If you think fumbles dont count then take it up with the nfl stat keepers, they decide whats a fumble and what isnt not me.
Lol just the facts maam
October 24th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
would we have even won a game this year with JC as qb? i say, no way
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Hell f8ckkin no… the guy was nothing without running game…
October 24th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
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It’s funny Mistic will use the fumbles, caused by the other D while Palmer is in the act of throwing to use it in TO category to validate his posts hahaha LMFAO…
he’s going to say it’s quarterbacks fault if he fumbles when getting while in throwing motion.. lMFAO .. that’s the hardest thing to avoid ..
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This article used stats as a validation claim, but it left off the two biggest stats wins and turn over to td.
Once you remind yourself why he was brought here in the first place ( playoffs or bust) then add in the 6-10 record and the mind blowing 24 turnovers in only 15 games, it sobers you up rather quickly.
If you think fumbles dont count then take it up with the nfl stat keepers, they decide whats a fumble and what isnt not me.
Lol just the facts maam
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But you’re the only guy who use that ratio .. mostly people use TDs to Int… something qb’s should do .. but you’re going to add fumbles just so that To’s equal upto the TD’s he threw this year to make ur idiotic statements look better… I’m sorry he’s still better than ur Boy JC and i don’t that 1st round pick would have done much for us this year
October 24th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
This article used stats as a validation claim, but it left off the two biggest stats wins and turn over to td.
Once you remind yourself why he was brought here in the first place ( playoffs or bust) then add in the 6-10 record and the mind blowing 24 turnovers in only 15 games, it sobers you up rather quickly.
If you think fumbles dont count then take it up with the nfl stat keepers, they decide whats a fumble and what isnt not me.
Lol just the facts maam
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Mistic why don’t just sit back and enjoy the excellence that is CP. I mean DEAD LAST run game in the league? how many pressures and sacks has the oline allowed? No names at receiver and Te? Enjoy the Raiders man why follow guys with below average stats?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Palmer covering for Knapp = very commendable.
Should the Raiders still fire Knapp = very much so
Woudl Palmer be even better with another OC = very much so
Is Palmer doing a good job with the tools he has (i.e., Knapp) = YES!!
October 24th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Qb’s jobs are suppose to be throwing and they only get judged by throwing TD’s and Int.. I’m surprised he doesn’t have more INt with that running game and Oline.. I’m surprised he even have 7 TD’s with the WR group and with that Oline protecting him… go ahead use the fumbles arguement .. ur statements are still going to look stupid
October 24th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
I think CP should reach out to Cam Newton as a mentor, teach the young guy how to not pout/get down on himself visibly or call out teammates in the media
October 24th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
so since cam newton only has one win this year, you think carolina should tank the season and go after geno smith or matt barkley?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Really? No one’s gonna give Routt a hard time about wearing a satchel?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
The difference between the extreme criticism of our coaches, players and GM would be an after thought if we get by Atlanta. That’s how stock market esque, some of the fans are in here. Yes we’re struggling and there is only enough wins to give hope, to delusional fans but there are plenty of positives as well. We’ve been close in every game, up until the half. We beat Pitt who we had no chance against, nearly beat the undefeated Falcons at home, we came back against the Jags, which in the past, would have been a sure loss. Run defense is better and we are forcing turnovers as of late. Take into consideration some of the factors like injuries etc, before you start insulting the fans.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
*Kim Newton and all comments go into his “suggestion box”
October 24th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
so since cam newton only has one win this year, you think carolina should tank the season and go after geno smith or matt barkley?
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No, he’s in a sophomore slump… his receivers suck, o-line suck.. OC suck. coaches suck… running backs suck… te’s suck… water boy sucks.. bench sucks in carolina… owner sucks.. not his fault at all
October 24th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Soup would’ve been cowering on the ground almost all year so far if he was behind our line.
Like he was in that opener in Tennessee. Just falling to the ground in self-preservation and exasperation at the situation. I like the guy but he was sure hard to watch play QB sometimes…
October 24th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Gershom Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Palmer covering for Knapp = very commendable.
Should the Raiders still fire Knapp = very much so
Woudl Palmer be even better with another OC = very much so
Is Palmer doing a good job with the tools he has (i.e., Knapp) = YES!!
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Good points.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
yeah how many catches does streater, criner, and hagan have?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
32.inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
would we have even won a game this year with JC as qb? i say, no way
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With this O-line? I think the question is would he even still be alive. The stinger king would already be out for the season.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Palmer did EVERYTHING in his power to get Raiders in the playoffs but it takes a TEAM. His 417 yds. and 2 td’s SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH.
If the defense makes ONE DAMN STOP vs. SD and Palmer gets the ball back late…instead of letting Mike freaking Tolbert make a 42 yd. run, and allowing Rivers to complete every pass he throws…everyone would be talking about the miracle of a QB coming off the couch with only half a playbook, most of his top receivers down for considerable time and the teams best player out, and how he led the Raiders to a division title and was the hero who saved the day.
INSTEAD, the defense choked and the rest is history.
Blaming Palmer for that loss is just silliness.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
JLofty Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Soup would’ve been cowering on the ground almost all year so far if he was behind our line.
Like he was in that opener in Tennessee. Just falling to the ground in self-preservation and exasperation at the situation. I like the guy but he was sure hard to watch play QB sometimes…
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Exactly, good thing he had nice Oline for him and MCfadden to average 5.2 yards a carry
October 24th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
No, he’s in a sophomore slump… his receivers suck, o-line suck.. OC suck. coaches suck… running backs suck… te’s suck… water boy sucks.. bench sucks in carolina… owner sucks.. not his fault at all
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Louis Murphy sucks? I though people in here liked Murphy
October 24th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Palmer did EVERYTHING in his power to get Raiders in the playoffs but it takes a TEAM. His 417 yds. and 2 td’s SHOULD HAVE BEEN ENOUGH.
If the defense makes ONE DAMN STOP vs. SD and Palmer gets the ball back late…instead of letting Mike freaking Tolbert make a 42 yd. run, and allowing Rivers to complete every pass he throws…everyone would be talking about the miracle of a QB coming off the couch with only half a playbook, most of his top receivers down for considerable time and the teams best player out, and how he led the Raiders to a division title and was the hero who saved the day.
INSTEAD, the defense choked and the rest is history.
Blaming Palmer for that loss is just silliness.
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Exactly man.. even with a O-line that was regressing and Receivers coming back from injuries.. Bush worn out as f8kk
October 24th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
We better get some OLine improvement or Carson Bomber is going to end up like Gannon did, crushed underneath a fatbody DT with a clavicle sticking out like a broken chicken wing…
October 24th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Even when it’s true, something just seems sleazy when someone says they did “everything in their power” to stop something. It’s true in most cases. But it’s the wrong attitude.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
murph is better than criner, hagan and streater…
October 24th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Raider4Life209 Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
No, he’s in a sophomore slump… his receivers suck, o-line suck.. OC suck. coaches suck… running backs suck… te’s suck… water boy sucks.. bench sucks in carolina… owner sucks.. not his fault at all
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Louis Murphy sucks? I though people in here liked Murphy
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IDK but that’s something mistic would say in his defense of C. Newton .. he would blame everything else on other players if his Fav qb is doing anything .. but won’t even give benefit of doubt to Palmer.. he even blames him for fumbling the ball while getting hit ..
October 24th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Al used to always imply that. He did “everything he could”. It’s not something that effective leaders say. Even if it’s true, you don’t say it. It defies the concept of teamwork and synergy. When you imply there’s more you could have done, and you’re someone people look up to, they too will have that mentality, that they could have done more. You say you did all you could, those who look up to your for your leadership will say the same. Synergy’s gone.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
You guys remember Soup in that game in Nashville?
The one where genius OLine coach Cable decided to start rookie Jared Veldheer at Center?!?
Soup was looking like those Saturday Night Live folks:
REALLY?!?! A rookie left tackle starting his first
NFL game at Center??? REALLY?!?
Poor guy, that must’a sucked.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
This morning I saw Greg Knapp stir his breakfast cauldron, kick his black cat
and hop on his broomstick for his daily journey to work at the Oak Salem Raiders.
I only mention this because my crops are failing and I need someone to blame.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Right on Dj Johnny!
October 24th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
shut up klas, mr
October 24th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
No great person has ever said or implied that they did everything they could.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
We better look out for the Queefs. They are going to come out all guns blazing. And even though Brady Quim isn’t all that, I have this feeling of DREAD that the boys will take him lightly and they’ll have a post-bye week super game and…well you’all know the rest.
Tarver better get the guys pumped to step on necks and kick them around.
Can’t come out looking like we did against Jags for 3.5 qtrs and find totally NEW ways to hand a game away…
October 24th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Guys like Brady and Rodgers are what u guys want…but honestly, how would those guys do with THIS team as currently assembled?
Is this team good enough for Rodgers to take over midseason and lead to the playoffs? Would the results of this yr’s games been much different with one of those guys in there?
You give Palmer the weapons those guys have and you’d see a top 3 QB.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
If Carson Palmer’s walking around that locker room thinking he’s done everything he could, forget it.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
I think it is absolutely hilarious that reminding the board of the true reason for the plamer trade, and outlining how the plan utterly failed, is followed by very strange post by my fellow posters.
everything from bringing up other qbs on other teams, to talk of what palmer doent have in order to succeed, to accusations of manipulating raw stats.
meltdown city….too funny
October 24th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
so since cam newton only has one win this year, you think carolina should tank the season and go after geno smith or matt barkley?
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No, he’s in a sophomore slump… his receivers suck, o-line suck.. OC suck. coaches suck… running backs suck… te’s suck… water boy sucks.. bench sucks in carolina… owner sucks.. not his fault at all
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HOF wr Steve Smith was pro bowler last year.
Greg Olsen is one of the best pass catching TE’s in league
Stewart and Williams are a great duo of backs
Have you watched a Kim Newton game?
His slump started back half of last season, teams defended him differently after his break-out had 2 games over 200 passing in his last 7 games last season.
No surprise he comtinues to struggle, cant throw from the pocket. poor attitude, bad reads, long release.
0 leadership doing superman TD celebration when its 27 to 7 in the 3rd quarter with your team getting ass kicked.
says a suggestion box would help to media?
hes a loser.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
69
October 24th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
D@ng
October 24th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Awesome, we have sport psychologists on here now.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Johnny, I would counter that point by saying that with a system and personnel like GB or NE, Palmer would still have a lazy attitude and make costly errors.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
no playoffs no trade validation
that is why hujack sold the farm to get him, he grossly miscalculated palmers value and ability
October 24th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Miami, forgive me for being long winded on that attempt at armchair psychology. But go ahead and name one great person in world history who every said or implied that they did everything they could. It’s just not something great leaders say, even when it’s true. It’s the wrong attitude.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Are the Gnats getting thumped yet?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
I don’t have time to look back at the history of the world and its leaders to prove your point. If you do, go ahead, I’ll read it and give you feedback.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Didn’t think you could name one, Miami.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
LOL at cork trying to sell us a dog this dog that wont hunt.
Cork is 6-10 2-4 in the division and 24 turn overs in 15 games validation for a 1st a 2nd and 16 million in 2013?
Wow and you guys thought Al Davis was crazy and over paid
October 24th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Johnny, I would counter that point by saying that with a system and personnel like GB or NE, Palmer would still have a lazy attitude and make costly errors.
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Include psychic to the list.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Interesting, people saying Carson is doing everything he can. He seems to have that same attitude. That’s what got him shipped out of Cincy, and why nobody else wanted him. He’s got talent. Great physical attributes. That certain something he’s missing is the leader’s mentality.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Can you name one, other than Al Davis?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Carson Palmer is extremely talented, he’ll put up numbers wherever he goes. But he’s lazy. And that’s why he’ll never be a champion.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
no playoffs no trade validation
that is why hujack sold the farm to get him, he grossly miscalculated palmers value and ability
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Wrong!
Hu grossly miscalculated HOW BAD AL DAVIS’S DEFENSE WAS & HOW BAD OF A DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR CHUCK BRESNAHAN WAS. Are you seriously blaming Palmer for last year lol!
October 24th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Carson Palmer just looks lazy. And I wish I could say he has the personality to convince me otherwise. Aside from the occasional lip service where he takes accountability, he really doesn’t seem like he cares.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
It must be the Cincinnati Bengals factor…
October 24th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Ha! Miami’s on a roll!
October 24th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Interesting, people saying Carson is doing everything he can. He seems to have that same attitude. That’s what got him shipped out of Cincy, and why nobody else wanted him. He’s got talent. Great physical attributes. That certain something he’s missing is the leader’s mentality.
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Look up your history, Palmer wanted out of Cincy. DECLINED to play for such an inept organization. Cincy is known for having an inept owner. Who else would keep Lewis as the coach there?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
If Palmer played defense and was the D.Cord last year, I’d totally blame him for what happen in 2011.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
That’s why I call him Carson Campbell. He’s too good for football. Should be a business executive, or perhaps an actor. People like Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell were meant for the good life. Football’s beneath them. And you can see it in their personalities. They don’t have the fire.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Gershom Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
no playoffs no trade validation
that is why hujack sold the farm to get him, he grossly miscalculated palmers value and ability
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Wrong!
Hu grossly miscalculated HOW BAD AL DAVIS’S DEFENSE WAS & HOW BAD OF A DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR CHUCK BRESNAHAN WAS. Are you seriously blaming Palmer for last year lol!
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sorry if it hurts your feelings bra, but face facts.
Hu jack sold the farm to get palmer, in order to make the playoffs, period. We did not
palmer will not be leading this years team to the post season either.
The trade in fact is a flop, and one of the worst trades in sports history.
throwing for 4000 yards wont change that, no matter who you want to blame for the team losing
October 24th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
morilla Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Throw the deep “Routt” every play.
15 yard pentalty, or a facemask, holding, or a TD.
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Routt will most likely be on Moore the whole time. CP needs to throw to him all game.
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I want to see if you two are this arrogant after the game. I’ll be looking forward to your comments. Since I think Routt’s better than any corner on our roster.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
dont you guys get it, it doesnt matter who you blame for carson failing to lead us to the playoffs.
The facts remain, no playoffs no validation
October 24th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I don’t think Palmer’s horrible. I just don’t think he’ll ever be a champion. We need a franchise QB.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Mistic is an idiot, Enough said. Palmer keep ballin behind the ragged oline.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Mistic, you can’t really believe that we didn’t, and may not make the playoffs again this year, solely because of Palmers play?
October 24th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Can’t run the ball
Can’t convert 3rd downs
Inefficient in the Red Zone.
I blame Knapp Playcalling.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Mistic1 I will agree with your assesment if Palmer never leads us to the playoffs. But the guy has at least another year to make good on that trade. I wouldn’t bet either way tho.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
dont you guys get it, it doesnt matter who you blame for carson failing to lead us to the playoffs.
The facts remain, no playoffs no validation
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Did Hue promise a playoff berth with the Palmer trade, or was that our assumption when he said Greatest Trade in Sports? I can’t remember
October 24th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Mistic1 I will agree with your assesment if Palmer never leads us to the playoffs. But the guy has at least another year to make good on that trade. I wouldn’t bet either way tho
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next year at 16 mill?!?!? for what he has given us?
i doubt it, even if you take out last years numbers.
2-4 7 tds 7 turn overs, we could pay tavaris jackson a 10th of carsons salary and get that same production.
October 24th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Hue didn’t sell the farm. The bears sold the farm, the cardinals sold the farm. I would take palmer over our first round pick we didn’t have last year. We can very easily regain a second by trading down in the draft next year. Palmer has played exceptionally well considering he has no run game, a revolving door at Wr, a defense that was trash ( their play has improved). Ur just a hater Mistic, a good old fashion Hater. You could probably win the haters bowl from chappelle show
October 24th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Mistic1 Does have a point because what we gave up for Palmer he has not lived up to it. He still isn’t this year IMO, he has to play much better especially in clutch situations. He gave the ATL game away. If he doesn’t throw that pick we win easy. Even if we didn’t score on that drive the only thing he couldn’t do is what he did………..give up a pick6…..killed us!
October 24th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
No he hasn’t exceptionally well would be 8+TD’s and 2int’s. He has missed to many bigtime throws to say he has played exceptionally well… that’s not true
October 24th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Mistic1 I tend to agree with you, he has to be much better on a consistent basis to warrant the money and the picks…………..period
October 24th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Tavaris Jackson? Lol
October 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I wouldn’t say any QB has played exceptionally well when the offense converts 31% of 3rd downs.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
im out, the raiders need to get TP 6 ready and hand him the keys for the last 3-4 games of the year, this team is going nowhere.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
1. Stop with the B.S. cork. It doesnt validate his trade. It only validates it if we have had a winning record which we dont. It only validates it if the Raiders were just a QB away from a deep playoff run or Superbowl which the Raiders were not. Its a steep price to pay for an above average quarterback on a losing team.
2. I dont give a damn what palmer says he is not gonna create waves.. but no way he was listening to Knapp all the way in the 4th quarter. I think Palmer is just giving media guys something to chew on and throwing Knapp a bone by saying he was calling plays in the no huddle. They dont want to make him look bad.
Most of it is propoganda and Kool aid drinking by the media. drinking it all up
October 24th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Palmer hasn’t ‘lived’ up to being a franchise quarterback? Really? After having been rusty & suddenly thrown into our season last year? After having Knapp run this offense this year (we should have learned from his last stint)? How could you even possibly tell? All I notice is that Palmer does BETTER THEN ABOVE AVERAGE with this offensive live & receivers & Knapp. He ran the no-huddle pretty damn good when Knapp was taken out of the play calling duties.
POINT: Defense last year SUCKED – WORST coordinator ever in Bresnahan
POINT: OFFENSIVE LINE & running schematics & play calling SUCKS this year with KNAPP – one of the worst ever except when Shell was head coach.
PALMER: Basically winning games by himself. Imploring Allen to let him run No-huddle (cause he knows our oline sucks now – and I really mean KNAPP sucks), and only given go ahead in two game in which we won
Yet you haters (sullivan/mystic), blame Palmer. Classic. Im done conversing with you fools
so have countless other 1st round draft picks.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Priestj12
Name one of the first round QB’s drafted in last years draft (RG3,Luck, Miami QB, Wilson) that could be successful in Palmers situation. None. And on top of that which one of those Qbs could we have gotten with last years number 1? None, we sure has hell wouldn’t have picked Wilson with our first rounder. And mistic also judges based on color. He poll jocks every black QB and swears there the greatest things ever and then when they flop, he has nothing to say.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Hey Mistic, Scroll up, the article has about 900 words of validation, Big Dummy.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Blame the defense all you want.. blame run this and run that..
but like i said this team was more then qb away.. part of the reason the Raiders are in this mess with no depth .. and no major major talent CB .. Oline is because they kept trading away number 1 picks.. Seymour too. Raiders were more then a DT away from playoffs.
Glad reggie is here to clean up the mess.
Ya we got palmer.. but for what? Raiders are still 2-4 No way raiders make a deep playoff run or champmionship. Lets see what happens next year.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
I don’t know how you can fully judge a QB after coming off the couch last year, all while getting acclimated to the offense and timing with the WR’s etc. Following year, there’s a new coaching staff and different system/blocking scheme installed. How is that possible? Plus this season is not even halfway done.
That’s like only listening to portions of the testimony from witnesses and looking at a quarter of the evidence and sentencing someone to death.
That’s pretty fck’n dumb if you ask me.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
It’s a TEAM game!
How conviently we forget.
DMac being injured AFTER the trade for Palmer had more to do with us missing the playoff than Palmer.
I’d do that trade again all day long. Who could we have possibly picked at what 17ish????
October 24th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
I win. Lol
October 24th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
JFB: Your boy the Pandais going OFF!
Love seeing Verlander getting worked…
October 24th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
^^^Panda^^^
October 24th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Palmer could certainly play better.
WAY bigger fish to fry than Palmer though.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Im a palmer fan.. but was against the trade. Didnt want it lack of scrambling ability also somewhat hurts. However Palmer has not really been no real real significant upgrade over Jason Campbell.
You know what DE 49er JUSTIN SMITH said after the Thursday night football game. Some analyst were trying to say about the 49ers lacking in certain numbers.
Justin smith said flat “STATS ARE FOR LOSERS” He said he has been on teams were the qb threw for alot of 4,000 yard seasons but they never won and scored TD’s lol. He is right.
I didnt realize till a few days later he was Palmers teamate on the bengals
October 24th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I’ll take RGIII every day and 3 times on Sunday over Palmer. I would even take Luck in a heartbeat over Palmer. AT least I know they are ROOKIES if the play like him. Palmer has NOT played all that well to say he has is BLIND……period
October 24th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
RGIII is hands down no question a better player than Palmer and it aint CLOSE!!!
October 24th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Palmer is what we have, and its not bad.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
I would NOT do that trade knowing what I know now, unless he plays much better……….period
October 24th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
and Priest is always 100% correct in his player evaluations for those who just started reading the blog….
October 24th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Imagine how good Palmer could be with Saunders as his OC? He’d be pretty damned good with out a ball and chain tied to his ass.
We’d be Nawleens bound without a doubt.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
@119
Behind our oline and with Knapp play calling RG3’s rookie season would be his last season
October 24th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Knowing what I know now? Lol
No one ever makes a trade after looking into a crystal ball, there is no such thing.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
I really only hear Raider fans criticizing the offensive gameplan, saying that’s the biggest problem.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
who cares who is right. Raiders are 2-4 right now. No real upgrade cuz of Palmer is here. i see the Raiders winning 6 games if they are lucky. But hey 4,000 yard season validates the trade!!
We were more then a qb away
October 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
@122
That’s a joke right?
October 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Mr. Green for president!
October 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
For all those concerned (looking at you MR),
Palmer never said he did all he could , so your little rant has no substance, Big Dummy.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Yo TJ from Mountain View,…youre just an old fool like old man Kell,..nobody cares what either of you think,…you are both a couple of janitors,..and Terrel Pryor will someday be one also. If Mystic ever gets an education then maybe he can even be a janitor too, but as of now hes just too stupid.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
@127
There not 2-4 because of palmer that’s forsure
October 24th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
117.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Im a palmer fan.. but was against the trade. Didnt want it lack of scrambling ability also somewhat hurts. However Palmer has not really been no real real significant upgrade over Jason Campbell.
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I definitely agree with this, and that is what makes me mad. I thought we were getting a sure fire upgrade and he hasn’t been. The throws he misses are too costly. We go too many 3and outs for him to be looked upon as soo much better than JC it’s relatively the same IMHO.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
We were more then a qb away
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Then get off the whole Palmer thing, he is here, the guy that made the trade is not.
Palmer has top 15 talent and consistency.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
One thing’s for sure. Palmer never will get any credit from many on this board unless he does get the team to the playoffs, and then he still may not.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Bob tellin’ it like it is
October 24th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
If DA knew what he knows now, he would have never signed Knapp to his staff. How fck’n dumb is that?
Haha
At least say your joking so your form of comedy could be somewhat entertaining.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Lol
132=Truth
October 24th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Lol my bad I meant
131=Truth
October 24th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Not much better than JC???
That is just an amazing take to me.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
You guys put way too much stock in 300 yards passing especially in todays NFL. No big deal it’s TD’s to int’s ratio. How many yards and completion% mean nothing a bunch dinks and dunks get completion% and late game yards mean nothing. Can you win games like Eli he just wins. Tony Romo looks great losing..
October 24th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
No great person has ever said or implied that they did everything they could.
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It’s me saying that in my opinion he did everything he could to win that game, Palmer did not say that…that i’m aware.
C’mon…you guys know the defense were the culprits in that SD game.
Pick on Palmer for other stuff…but NO QB could have overcome our defensive “effort” with the weapons..or lack thereof at Palmer’s disposal.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Norco’s arrived. This is where I just grab my pop corn.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
RGIII has ridiculous skills. He scares me with the hits he’staking though.
Luck is good too.
We had NO SHOT at those 2. Not sure why we are talking about them.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Jhill, what has he done to warrant being so much better? throw for a bunc of meaningless yards???
Who cares?? he has missed easy TD throws and wide open rec’s and we can’t score in the redzone.
Hive us your critereon for being so much better.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Get off the whole palmer thing? Ummm hello the whole article is about how because palmer throws for 400 yards its validates the trade. NO IT DOESNT. WINNING VALIDATES it. you guys say well its because of the defense he doesnt win.. but when he does win its because of palmer. SO which is it?
Another said were are 2-4 not because of palmer. Oh really? did u miss the part were PALMER himself said he cost us the game???
You gonna say what about JAXSONVILLE? So it was palmer who kept them in the game the whole time against that offense? no it was the defense. Like i said. Im a palmer fan.. but no way is the Trade worth a 1 and 2.
That 2 nd round pick is gonna hurt this draft when reggie could have flipped that into two picks.. and used it for our defense. But whatever this regime is stuck with a mess.
and by no real upgrade compared to JSOUP.. im talking WINS and L’s cuz thats all that matters.
JCampbell led this team to a 4-2 record b4 injury
October 24th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Jhill an earlier post said they wouldn’t take those two over Palmer and I think that’s insane……….period
October 24th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
LOL at Delmon Young.
American League baseball is such horsepucky, how do you call that guy a baseball player?
October 24th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Matt Lienart could have taken us to a 2-4 record .. if not better cuz he runs the system better.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Great post #146 couldn’t have said it better.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Palmer didn’t ask to be traded for a one and two, Genius.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Corky is a HACK.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Leinart could also have been 0-6.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Simple eye test, imo Preist.
Again, I think it’s a team game so I don’t really get all into stats and won loss record. EVERYONE on offense can play better on a particular play.
Palmer makes throws that I’ve never seen JC ever try to make. I have nothing against JC and appreciate taht 7-4 start, the Buffalo win, etc. Tough break he got hurt. For him and us fans.
Just nothing you could say that would make me take JC and the 17th pick in this past draft over Palmer.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
The writng is subjective, like the opinions on this blog.
I say form your own opinion and stick to it, period.
No one person on this blog is right or wrong.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
We lost in Buffalo JHill. One of the many defensive meltdowns last season.
If I remember correctly, Buffalo scored on every, single, 2nd half possesion.
You could actually say it wasn’t JC’s fault we lost lol.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
17th pick in this past draft would have gotten us who???
A CB most likely, right?
JC and a rookie corner over Palmer = no thanks.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
against obviously you are missing the point. Who said Palmer asked to be traded for a 1 n 2. Its about the article stating how the trade is validated.
It is not. But if you think a 2-4 record validates it. Go right ahead. as Al davis would say “if thats the world you live in “
October 24th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I am right. There is not enough evidence, under the circumstances to blame Palmer for our win/loss record.
Maybe when the season is over, but not now.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
who do u no who Reggie would have drafted?? You dont know if he would have flipped that into more picks. We are in a Rebuild mode anyway.
So those picks would have helped. Better then paying for a high priced above average qb that wont be with this team in two seasons.
Some point reggie is gonna get “his guy” in at qb
October 24th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
The article is subjective with a capital “S” , as in the trade is validated to the writer.
In this case it is Cork and all that agree.
I get that you don’t. Your point is clear and I disagree with you. Is that plain enough english?
October 24th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
If you guys never gave Jason Campbell credit for what he did here.. no way you can give Palmer credit
October 24th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
When we make the playoffs this season, this trade will be validated 10 fold.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
When we make the playoffs this season, this trade will be validated 10 fold.
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Love the optimism, and I am with you.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
RGIII need to stop scrambling .. just learn to stay in pocket.. He’s going to be out of the league soon if he keeps doing that
October 24th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
It wasn’t JC’s fault that he got shown the door, but I trust in Palmer more.
October 24th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
If you guys never gave Jason Campbell credit for what he did here.. no way you can give Palmer credit
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You see this is a team sport… JC had winning record with us but it wasn’t because of him, he barely did anything besides checkdowns all game long… Palmer is better than him
October 24th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Panda! Wow
October 24th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Tebow won games last year.. Why isn’t he a starting qb somewhere… it’s a team sport… ofcourse you’re record as qb is going to look when you have Bad O line no running game, and average receivers to throw to .. and then D blowing games…
October 24th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
I think no matter what Palmer did guys would find fault and call him a “loser” etc.
Some just have a predisposition against him. You just don’t like the guy so no matter what he does fault will be found.
I thought you guys were smarter than to blame the Raiders woes on Palmer…seriously. C’mon.
He’s not superman able to leap the worst defense since the 52 Texans in a single bound.
He makes mistakes…sometimes big ones but as for the Raiders woes…we need to focus elsewhere.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
JFB: Great call on the Panda…
Crazy times I PAC Bell.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
its a team sport when the Raiders lose.. but its because of Palmer when we in.. Oh ok
October 24th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I find it very interesting that Hue Jackson is given a pass in here by some folks for the defense collapsing and costing us a playoff berth (although he was the head coach and responsible for the entire team’s performance), and those same folks are saying that Palmer is a disaster because he didn’t lead us to the playoffs last year.
Far as I can tell, Hue had more authority over the entire team (and more responsibility as a result) than Palmer ever did. Not sure how someone can criticize Palmer for not leading the team to the playoffs and give Hue a pass for the very same thing.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Panda is one of the best fastball hitters in the league, and the Tigers throw a ton of fastballs.
A perfect marriage.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Who says that? @172
October 24th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Numbers don’t lie. Yeah, stats maybe for losers according to hillbilly Smith, but there are also 10 other guys on offense and eleven on defense that play the game too.
Pled will not only be the starter next year but probably the year after that as well.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Well, he’s no Rick Mirer
October 24th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
its a team sport when the Raiders lose.. but its because of Palmer when we in.. Oh ok
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No it’s always team sport… the whole team have to play better… the D has to play better and O has to play better.. O-line has to give Palmer time and Running game need to get going … Palmer done crazy things where we should have won the game and lost .. then he didn’t play well in sum games and we won.. but he really did play pretty good in games we won.. I blame atl game some what on him .. but he should def not be the only 1 to be blamed on every loss , something our friend Mistic like to point out every single time
October 24th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
All you guys forget the CP trade was based on Hue being here and running his scheme so the trade has been diminished. IMO if Hue was still here this team would be sailing to the playoffs easy and the trade would look great but as it stands now the trade is a bust, but only because Hue is no longer here.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
A win this weekend, and we technically control our own destiny for the division.
The midseason playoff push has begun.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
the palmer trade is showing not to be worth it. 1 n 2 get palmer.. but for what? at the end of the day what was it for?
Reggie didnt do it. .No way he would. Al never would have traded for Palmer thats forsure because most fans dont realize they were talking contract extension with JSOUP after the 3rd week of the season.. was gonna be done within a few weeks. But Al past.
Al believed in JSOUP and never to give up on a qb to early. HE even compared him to KIM (cam ) newton as he said in the HUE intro PRESSER. He then drafted PRYOR to be the future.
Jsoup did alot of good things for this team. I like that offense way more then the palmer offense. JSOUP had some career games in 2010 that jacksonville game was wild and he kept us in it.. that san diego game where he did that trick play to Louis murphy and deep throw and the camera was even faked out.
Who forgets that KC chief game in 2010 losing in the 4th he fires a bulled to FORD to get us in field goal range. Then OT he throws a bomb to FORD to win the game.
Who forgets his scrambling ability (which i miss most at the qb posistion right now) You guys need to go back and look at that buffalo game.. he was going punch for punch with the buffalo offense. Did you guys forget those deep bombs he was throwing to DMOORE??
But ya all JSOUP was a checkdown qb who never won right?? just a checkdown guy. JSOUP threw the deep ball just as good if not better then PALMER did.
HE certainly had a better play fake then palmer.. even the camera would be faked out.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Pled = CP. Autocorrect.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
If a NASCAR driver has a mediocre pit team, should he get all the blame if he comes up short? NO
Just like the pit team and driver should both get the credit equally, when a race is won.
Team.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Palmer woulda been way much better last year had we had a defense that did not meltdown so much (buffalo SD Detroit) to name a few. Our D stunk as bad as Versailles does. This year the ’scheme’ sucks. Palmer will be great when Saunders is the OC.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Palmer trade is good… You guys freaking think that 17th pick would have made more difference for our team
October 24th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
and I was pissed when HUE traded for Palmer even though I was a fan of his.
Thought it was f’d the way he did Jsoup. but it was business. But i knew from that moment the offense wouldnt be the same.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
like i said u think reggie would have stayed at the 17th spot? with no picks? no way probaly could have gotten 4 picks out that all from the 1st – 3rd round.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Edward Teach Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I find it very interesting that Hue Jackson is given a pass in here by some folks for the defense collapsing and costing us a playoff berth (although he was the head coach and responsible for the entire team’s performance), and those same folks are saying that Palmer is a disaster because he didn’t lead us to the playoffs last year.
Far as I can tell, Hue had more authority over the entire team (and more responsibility as a result) than Palmer ever did. Not sure how someone can criticize Palmer for not leading the team to the playoffs and give Hue a pass for the very same thing.
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Ill say this again Jon Gruden won a SB off the back of a D tony D constucted His O was garbage and he ended up FIRED. Brian Billick won a SB off the back of Marvin Lewis and HIS D in Bmore and he soon ended up FIRED, Jon and Bill didnt oversee their teams they just fell in good situations and got a SB for their troubles. All Hue needed was a competent DC and he would have been fine.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Let’s just say we had drafted 1 of the Qb’s with the 17th pick .. i doubt we would have been better than 2-4 at this point
October 24th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Palmer having career-year, validating trade that brought him to Oakland For whatever reason, Carson Palmer hasn’t been able to win over the Raiders fan base since his arrival here a year ago. Strange, too, given Palmer bailed out the Raiders from a tough situation when then-starter Jason Campbell suffered a season-… [...]
October 24th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
like i said u think reggie would have stayed at the 17th spot? with no picks? no way probaly could have gotten 4 picks out that all from the 1st – 3rd round.
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You’re crazy if you think we would have converted into 4 picks… if even if they did .. they would have gotten a 2nd round pick at the earliest, i doubt that pick would of have gave us a better record than 2-4 at this point
October 24th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
We lost in Buffalo JHill.
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LOL!
At least JC played well, right?
October 24th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Quit crying about Palmer… We’re 2-4 with him .. anybody else behind that Oline and no running game we would be winless
October 24th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
The 17th pick in the draft turned out to be Dre Kirkpatrick, who currently has more arrests than tackles his rookie year.
I’ll take Carson Palmer over that thank you.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
We lost in Buffalo JHill.
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LOL!
At least JC played well, right?
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He did , that Moore TD was thing of beauty
October 24th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Zito looks like he’s going to cry.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Not that crazy to think he could have gotten at least 3 picks.
Look what Al had to give up just to move up in the 2nd round or 3rd round and get Taiwan jones and Barskadle year before
October 24th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
The 17th pick in the draft turned out to be Dre Kirkpatrick, who currently has more arrests than tackles his rookie year.
I’ll take Carson Palmer over that thank you.
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With any QB behind this line .. we’re 0-6 … Palmer is better than anybody we could have gotten at 17th or anybody we could have gotten with extra picks
October 24th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Soup was lucky to keep the ball in bounds on deep passes
October 24th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Other than that Buffalo game, J.C’s deep balls were a thing of shet.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Anyone who thinks Campbell is anywhere near as good as Palmer has their head up their azz. There’s a reason why we had to give up 1st and 2nd round picks for Palmer while a guy in a blood feud with Al gifted him Campbell for a 4th rounder two years away from when the trade was made.
Campbell was a check down passer. He would drop back, survey the field, and the throw the ball a short distance for a short gain, almost inevitably.
Palmer is arguably a top 10 QB right now. Definitely in that discussion. With this atrocious o-line and impotent running game, he’s about the only thing keeping us afloat.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
when we went to the SB in 2002 our D wasnt lights out as I remember many nailbiters but it was competent enough to get us by we still had bad run D which showed up in the SB of all games. if Hue would of had a half ass D last year we would have been in playoffs easy.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
i laugh when ppl think of JSOUP just as a checkdown guy. The dude threw one the best deep balls. and had some nice onese in his short two years here. I liked more of his scrambiling ability ..his rollouts keeps for TD as well.
Ppl forget in that buffalo game last year with like 6 seconds left before we lost he threw another deep bomb to DMOORE.. would have won the game for us. DMOORE had half of hand on it before it being taken away
(THINK OF what happened with Tate vs Packers ) last play of game this year
October 24th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Not that crazy to think he could have gotten at least 3 picks.
Look what Al had to give up just to move up in the 2nd round or 3rd round and get Taiwan jones and Barskadle year before
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If we move down to require extra picks… they are maybe like late 1st and a3rd and a4th or maybe a team has 2 2nd round picks and gives up 2 2nd and maybe a middle pick
October 24th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Without palmer we’re 0-6
October 24th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
i laugh when ppl think of JSOUP just as a checkdown guy. The dude threw one the best deep balls. and had some nice onese in his short two years here. I liked more of his scrambiling ability ..his rollouts keeps for TD as well.
Ppl forget in that buffalo game last year with like 6 seconds left before we lost he threw another deep bomb to DMOORE.. would have won the game for us. DMOORE had half of hand on it before it being taken away
(THINK OF what happened with Tate vs Packers ) last play of game this year
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Best deep balls? I remember his throws being 6 yards out of bounds on every side line throw
October 24th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
again.. I laugh at you guys feeling satisfied and thinking palmer top ten but with not anymore wins.
With Jsoup had a way better record and the offense had more flow to it. Ya he had his mistakes.. but was only getting 4 million per year.. only a 4th round given up for him.
Palmer 1 n 2. 13 million dollars this year.. 15 milly next and like i said for what? and the end of the day?? No upgrade in the Wins / L’s department. Way to much given up
October 24th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
SI came out with the stat from 2011 on which QB’s attempted the furthest passes from the LOS in the NFL on average.
Jason Campbell = dead last in the NFL
October 24th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Campbell missed horribly on a considerable amount of deep balls. Wow. For every one he hit, he missed on 9. Lol
October 24th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Ya I also remember Palmer over throwing a bunch of guys as well too or under .. it happens.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
JC believed in himself so much that he went to the Bears IMMEDIATELY when FA started. A team he had NO CHANCE of starting for.
He had that same type of non confident body language as our QB, imo.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
JSOUP sure made the deep balls throws when it counted CHief OT win.. Denver blowout.. at Sandiego win 2010.. even the buffalo game had us in to win it.. etc
October 24th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Even a blind dog can stumble on a bone once in a while! Learning our system? Code for, he’s not what we expected.
“He was in position to make plays, and we didn’t make them.”
Same old sorry a88 Stanford “Burnt Toast” Routt
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As to how well Routt is faring, here’s coach Romeo Crennel’s take:
“Stanford has been learning our system, and he has been coming on,” Crennel said in a conference call. “He has an interception. He had a rough outing the last time. He was in position to make plays, and we didn’t make them. The opponent made them. Otherwise, he has been working well.”
October 24th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Soup coulnt hit the field on deep balls… out of bounds 8 out of every 10
October 24th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
It just so happens with more frequency when Cambell is at the helm.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
again.. I laugh at you guys feeling satisfied and thinking palmer top ten but with not anymore wins.
With Jsoup had a way better record and the offense had more flow to it. Ya he had his mistakes.. but was only getting 4 million per year.. only a 4th round given up for him.
Palmer 1 n 2. 13 million dollars this year.. 15 milly next and like i said for what? and the end of the day?? No upgrade in the Wins / L’s department. Way to much given up
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Yes ofcourse the O had more flow , when Mcfadden was getting like 5.2 yards a carry and team was in good 3rd down situations and Campbell getting all the time in the world to throw… I doubt the checkdown master gives us 2 wins with this O line
October 24th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Soup had Hue and the best running game in football leading the way while he dunked and dunked as needed.
Palmer has Knapp and McFadden struggling to gain 2 yards each time he carries the rock.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
JSOUP sure made the deep balls throws when it counted CHief OT win.. Denver blowout.. at Sandiego win 2010.. even the buffalo game had us in to win it.. etc
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Helps when you have a running game.
Team game…
October 24th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
He ain’t here. Move on.
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RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
With Jsoup had a way better record and the offense had more flow to it.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
JSOUP sure made the deep balls throws when it counted CHief OT win.. Denver blowout.. at Sandiego win 2010.. even the buffalo game had us in to win it.. etc
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Denver blowout is credited to J Campbell? when the team ran for like 400 yards hahaha
October 24th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
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You should’ve been here posting when Glo was actually QBing for us.
His deep ball OOB was a CONSTANT topic, lol.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
so at the end of the day.. the palmer trade hasnt been worth it then. cuz stats mean nada unless u win. Even Palmer says that much. He also said he cost the raiders the ATL game. He wont the Steeler game which was worth his 950,000 dollar salary that game. I’ll give him that.
Im a fan of palmer.. but wasnt of that trade. Im not the only one either. Even Greg Papa questioned that trade saying to much was given up. It is what it is now. Nothing anything could be done.
Jsoup played good games with the Raiders got them Wins. Threw and connected on deep passes. So has Palmer.. the cost is huge.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
No sense in trying to prove a point to someone who is oblivious to the fact that its a team game.
Next topic? Lol
October 24th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
188.eastoaklandraider Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Edward Teach Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I find it very interesting that Hue Jackson is given a pass in here by some folks for the defense collapsing and costing us a playoff berth (although he was the head coach and responsible for the entire team’s performance), and those same folks are saying that Palmer is a disaster because he didn’t lead us to the playoffs last year.
Far as I can tell, Hue had more authority over the entire team (and more responsibility as a result) than Palmer ever did. Not sure how someone can criticize Palmer for not leading the team to the playoffs and give Hue a pass for the very same thing.
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Ill say this again Jon Gruden won a SB off the back of a D tony D constucted His O was garbage and he ended up FIRED. Brian Billick won a SB off the back of Marvin Lewis and HIS D in Bmore and he soon ended up FIRED, Jon and Bill didnt oversee their teams they just fell in good situations and got a SB for their troubles. All Hue needed was a competent DC and he would have been fine.
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WITH Carson Palmer as his quarterback. Thank you for validating my point.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
its a team sport when the Raiders lose.. but its because of Palmer when we in.. Oh ok
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I don’t know who is suggesting that.
When the Raiders win it’s always a TEAM win and when they lose it’s a team loss.
In regard to the SD game last yr. THAT was a team loss too.
Someone seemed to suggest that Palmer should have overcome the worst defense since the 52 Texans and carried the team to victory.
We have yet to see the QB who has overcome a historically bad defense, without any real weapons to throw to, and single handedly win fottball games.
Peyton Manning has had Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne and Dallas Clark. Brady has had the sure hands of Welker and Deion Branch and Randy Moss and Gronkowski. Rodgers has Greg Jennings, Donald Driver, Jordy Nelson and Jermichael Finley. Favre had guys he could just toss it up for grabs to and they’d come down with it.
Palmer has DHB (who drops the ball waaaaay too much) and a rookie in Streator. His one very good receiver is DMoore and we can count Myers now as well i think.
Cork is right to be befuddled by a fan base that has this intense animosity toward their QB.
You guys hated Collins, Jamarcus, McNown, JC, and Palmer is just the next in line.
If we had RG 3 or Aaron Rodgers here I know that half of you would be ripping on him becuz he didn’t pull off wins with a weak oline, running game and inexperienced receivers.
Do any of you deny that is what Palmer is working with?
October 24th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
i laugh when ppl think of JSOUP just as a checkdown guy. The dude threw one the best deep balls. and had some nice onese in his short two years here. I liked more of his scrambiling ability ..his rollouts keeps for TD as well.
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Do you remember this game, Raiders from thier own 1 yd line, Soup hands off to Bush for a flea flicker, Murphy is wide open 50 yards out and the ball falls 10 yards short.
Not sure that JC threw a good deep pass, remember all the times he led DHB out of bounds?
I disagree that J.Camp can throw a nice deep pass
October 24th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I will say that Campbell was playing much better in 2011 than 2010.
Still, I’d contend that Palmer and Gradkowski are both better QBs than Campbell.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
so at the end of the day.. the palmer trade hasnt been worth it then. cuz stats mean nada unless u win. Even Palmer says that much. He also said he cost the raiders the ATL game. He wont the Steeler game which was worth his 950,000 dollar salary that game. I’ll give him that.
Im a fan of palmer.. but wasnt of that trade. Im not the only one either. Even Greg Papa questioned that trade saying to much was given up. It is what it is now. Nothing anything could be done.
Jsoup played good games with the Raiders got them Wins. Threw and connected on deep passes. So has Palmer.. the cost is huge.
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It’s a team game.. Palmer is worth 2 wins this year… any other qb we would have 0 wins …
October 24th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
I remember plenty of times where J.C looked like a Deer in the headlights.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Campbell most definitely did not throw a nice deep ball. That was a constant source of ridicule during his Oakland tenure.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
most raider fans dont want to admit their team got fleeced just as we have before. Thats cool. I dont want to admit that either.
But like Justin smith said.. stats are for losers and he has been teams where the the qb would throw for 4,000 yards and not score Td’s . Wonder who he was talking bout.
and the end of the day I just want the Raiders to WIN. Of course i realize its a team game.. but ppl only look at the qb W/L record. who doesnt? its all NFL network, ESPN and NFL analyst talk about. Its tom brady and the patriots .. no the team. Its manning and the broncos… It was tewbow doing what he was doing with the broncos.
Its all about the qb’ winning and losing. Like I said at the endo f the day just want to see the Raiders WIN.. and rebuilding threw the draft. Cuz this is a rebuild year no matter what.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
most raider fans dont want to admit their team got fleeced just as we have before. Thats cool. I dont want to admit that either.
But like Justin smith said.. stats are for losers and he has been teams where the the qb would throw for 4,000 yards and not score Td’s . Wonder who he was talking bout.
and the end of the day I just want the Raiders to WIN. Of course i realize its a team game.. but ppl only look at the qb W/L record. who doesnt? its all NFL network, ESPN and NFL analyst talk about. Its tom brady and the patriots .. no the team. Its manning and the broncos… It was tewbow doing what he was doing with the broncos.
Its all about the qb’ winning and losing. Like I said at the endo f the day just want to see the Raiders WIN.. and rebuilding threw the draft. Cuz this is a rebuild year no matter what.
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No Raiders didn’t get fleeced… He’s doing a good as a job as any1 can do behind the supporting cast he has … name me 1 QB , who could have done better with what Palmer has ?
October 24th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
A competent GM would have traded no more than a 2nd round pick for Palmer.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Media and fans tend to greatly overvalue draft picks. Only a select few first rounders each year turn out to be real difference makers over the long haul. About 10 to 15 are basically busts and another 10 to 15 are just OK.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
And Hue Jackson was neither a competent GM or head coach, just a really good o.c.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
We were not getting Palmer for a 2nd rounder. Mike Brown was content to let him rot. Any other GM probably couldn’t have even gotten him for the 1 and 2.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Chris in NY Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Media and fans tend to greatly overvalue draft picks. Only a select few first rounders each year turn out to be real difference makers over the long haul. About 10 to 15 are basically busts and another 10 to 15 are just OK.
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Exactly …
October 24th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Palmer scores from the no huddle. He moves the ball and keeps the D off the field so they can stay rested. Wonder why we don’t go to the no huddle more often instead of waiting till we are behind.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
I would rather have a few “Miles Burris’s on defense right now.. and offense ” even if that meant no palmer. and Leinart playing or going after Matt Flynn. Probaly could have kept wimbley too.
Not to mention this years 2nd round pick going to the bengals. Its gonna be a high one too.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Our O-line doesn’t lack any talent , it’s the coaching’s fault .. the coaches last year had no problem coaching basically the same line into top 10 unit
October 24th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Leinart? Seriously?
October 24th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
I would rather have a few “Miles Burris’s on defense right now.. and offense ” even if that meant no palmer. and Leinart playing or going after Matt Flynn. Probaly could have kept wimbley too.
Not to mention this years 2nd round pick going to the bengals. Its gonna be a high one too.
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It’s not going to be a high pick… and we have 0 wins with any other Qb.. you realize he’s the only 1 doing anything on O?? not Mcfadden.. not the O-line not the wide- receivers…
October 24th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Mr Green Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Palmer scores from the no huddle. He moves the ball and keeps the D off the field so they can stay rested. Wonder why we don’t go to the no huddle more often instead of waiting till we are behind.
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It was the second game this season in which quarterback Carson Palmer has engineered a fourth-quarter comeback. Both times he did it while running the no-huddle.
Palmer completed only 56.5 percent of his passes against the Jaguars but was 9 of 13 for 118 yards while running the no-huddle
I saw this on a report about the Jagiars game. They need to use it more!
October 24th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
The Raiders have widely been derided for the Palmer move. It’s hard to imagine a methodical personnel man like McKenzie making such a maneuver, but he insists he has no problem with how things went down last season in Oakland.
“You can beat that doggone story ’til it’s worn out,” McKenzie told Peter King in this week’s Monday Morning Quarterback. “But I know this: We’ve got a quarterback we think can win the division and take us to the playoffs. Losing a one and a two doesn’t bother me one bit.”
McKenzie is wholeheartedly supporting Palmer because he doesn’t have a choice. What else can he really say? McKenzie can’t admit the Raiders gave up too much for a player who too often looks like a league-average starting quarterback. This is the hand McKenzie was dealt. We highly doubt he would have made the same trade.
“Never thought, ‘Woe is me,’ ” McKenzie said about taking the job in Oakland. “I just figured, ‘We’ll find players.’ ”
McKenzie has done a nice job thus far making tough decisions and signing some low-cost free agents. His ability to find players, however, is less important this season than Palmer’s ability to prove he was worthy of such a big investment.”
This article was written prior to our 2 wins to be fair
October 24th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
The one thing about draft picks though, is that they are cheaper.
All things being equal, a stud 2nd round draft pick at LB will cost you about 25% of what it takes to get a stud LB in FA.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Besides, you ‘d be more likely to end up with another Bergstrom tha Burris.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
God,…a new low,..losers in here still talking about Jason Campbell,…I guess by Thanksgiving you will begin with Mike Bush talk. Shut ins with no life.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
can’t blame a qb when he’s the 1 doing sumthing .. gotta applaud him for throwing less int than td’s with that oline and supporting cast
October 24th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
plenty of season left for Palmer to lead the Raidres to the playoffs especially if the D comes on late.
However the only thing i wish the qb had is some decent scrambling ability. THere are some huge run lanes open when he drops back to pass and the pocked it crumbling in from the outside.
it could keep drives going
October 24th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
The Raiders have widely been derided for the Palmer move. It’s hard to imagine a methodical personnel man like McKenzie making such a maneuver, but he insists he has no problem with how things went down last season in Oakland.
“You can beat that doggone story ’til it’s worn out,” McKenzie told Peter King in this week’s Monday Morning Quarterback. “But I know this: We’ve got a quarterback we think can win the division and take us to the playoffs. Losing a one and a two doesn’t bother me one bit.”
McKenzie is wholeheartedly supporting Palmer because he doesn’t have a choice. What else can he really say? McKenzie can’t admit the Raiders gave up too much for a player who too often looks like a league-average starting quarterback. This is the hand McKenzie was dealt. We highly doubt he would have made the same trade.
“Never thought, ‘Woe is me,’ ” McKenzie said about taking the job in Oakland. “I just figured, ‘We’ll find players.’ ”
McKenzie has done a nice job thus far making tough decisions and signing some low-cost free agents. His ability to find players, however, is less important this season than Palmer’s ability to prove he was worthy of such a big investment.”
This article was written prior to our 2 wins to be fair
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we’re 4-2 atleast right now with freaking good job from our supporting cast
October 24th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
AmysInCharge Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
God,…a new low,..losers in here still talking about Jason Campbell,…I guess by Thanksgiving you will begin with Mike Bush talk. Shut ins with no life.
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Exactly!!!
October 24th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Did someone mention bergstrom? Ya Reggies used his first supplemental draft pick on him 95th overall which is really the first pick in the 4th round via walter football…
Tony Bergstrom, G/T, Utah
Height: 6-5. Weight: 315.
40 Time: 5.27.
Bench: 32.
Arm: 32. Hand: 9.
Projected Round (2012): 3-5.
4/24/12: At the Senior Bowl, Bergstrom showed showed off some nice power and quality athleticism. He held his own against the defensive linemen that other All-Stars were struggling with. Bergstrom has the strength to anchor against bull rushes while his time playing on the edge helped him to slide with speed rushers.
The senior was a first-team all Pac-12 selection in 2011. He was a three-year starter at right tackle for the Utes. In the NFL, Bergstrom would probably be better off if he moved inside to guard.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
LOL @247
October 24th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Funny, Campbell has the only winning record a QB has had here since Gannon, and he’s…..schit on here everyday.
There’s something deeper going on here………
October 24th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
I mention Jsoup because he won us games with the same defense that allowed Palmer to win us some games too.
4-2 record was off to a nice start. Most ppl hate on Jsoup. Not me
October 24th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Nobody wins with that O line and running game… you can bring back Dan Marino any qb from the past you can;t win when ur 10 other guys don’t help u on the O
October 24th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
255 spot on. I guess most ppl dont want to admit.. Hue gave up way to much for palmer
October 24th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
I mention Jsoup because he won us games with the same defense that allowed Palmer to win us some games too.
4-2 record was off to a nice start. Most ppl hate on Jsoup. Not me
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It’s simple .. the Run game was averaging almost 200 yards a game for him .. we barely average 50 now
October 24th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Yes there is old fool kell,..deservedly so,..you dont like it?…good. You frustrated old custodian.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Hey old fool kell,..Campbell looks like a qb, like you look like a realtor. #Truth
October 24th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Edward Teach Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
188.eastoaklandraider Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Edward Teach Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I find it very interesting that Hue Jackson is given a pass in here by some folks for the defense collapsing and costing us a playoff berth (although he was the head coach and responsible for the entire team’s performance), and those same folks are saying that Palmer is a disaster because he didn’t lead us to the playoffs last year.
Far as I can tell, Hue had more authority over the entire team (and more responsibility as a result) than Palmer ever did. Not sure how someone can criticize Palmer for not leading the team to the playoffs and give Hue a pass for the very same thing.
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Ill say this again Jon Gruden won a SB off the back of a D tony D constucted His O was garbage and he ended up FIRED. Brian Billick won a SB off the back of Marvin Lewis and HIS D in Bmore and he soon ended up FIRED, Jon and Bill didnt oversee their teams they just fell in good situations and got a SB for their troubles. All Hue needed was a competent DC and he would have been fine.
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WITH Carson Palmer as his quarterback. Thank you for validating my point.
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October 24th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Hope someone changes the topic soon, I have no ideas. My brain is fried, talking about players and coaches who aren’t here as well as the, could of, would of, should of…
October 24th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Give Palmer same running game and same O-line as J Campbell enjoyed in his games last year n i bet u we have better or same record
October 24th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
You ever get tired of those old men at the barber shop rolling their eyes at you when you tell them youre a realtor, and own most of Europe? Sick.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
“You can beat that doggone story ’til it’s worn out,” McKenzie told Peter King in this week’s Monday Morning Quarterback. “But I know this: We’ve got a quarterback we think can win the division and take us to the playoffs. Losing a one and a two doesn’t bother me one bit.”
McKenzie is wholeheartedly supporting Palmer because he doesn’t have a choice. What else can he really say? McKenzie can’t admit the Raiders gave up too much for a player who too often looks like a league-average starting quarterback. This is the hand McKenzie was dealt. We highly doubt he would have made the same trade.
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A classic case of a reporter making his opinion “valid”, despite the interviewee blowing it out of the water.
If King agreed with McKenzie he would have used McKenzie’s words to validate that opinion. As it stands, he doesn’t, so all he can say is that McKenzie couldn’t possibly mean it.
Hack journalism, and not to be taken seriously.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Jason Campbell
Hue Jackson
Cam Newton
Whatever
The Raiders are 2-4
Can’t run the ball
Can’t convert 3rd downs
Can’t score in the Red Zone.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Tony Bergstrom looks like a good pick for Reggies 1st pick in 4th round. He probaly would have been playing already in the power scheme with Bob Wylie as his coach..
but he is still with Knapp and this hard to learn ZBS.. they say takes 3 years to really learn.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Old man Kell,..join us at our tailgate Bucs game,..as always, in hopes you can pry your big fat butt off the couch, I will bring a can of pork n beans and some collards for you.
October 24th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Hope someone changes the topic soon, I have no ideas. My brain is fried, talking about players and coaches who aren’t here as well as the, could of, would of, should of…
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thats what you get when you are 2-4 and you let go a system that was working.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
LMMFAO!!!!!
That was funny! Word.
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AmysInCharge Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Hey old fool kell,..Campbell looks like a qb, like you look like a realtor. #Truth
October 24th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
forget about throwing at Routt, we should run McFadden straight at his overpaid @$$ all day. Dmac should have a nice head of steam by the time he hits the corner.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
I still get a kick out of Corks healdine.. Palmer having a career year and validates trade.
Reminds me of that Iraq ministry of propoganda dude who said.. they were winning the war.. and had us on the run lol
October 24th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
I’ll break it down for you Eastoakland;
Hue gets a pass for the team not making the playoffs because the D sucked. By all accounts from the Hue backers, the offense was fine and it was the defense that kept us from the postseason.
If Palmer was the QB (and he was), how can he be blamed for not leading the team to the playoffs if it was the defense that kept us at home?
Now do you understand?
October 24th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Jsoup, Jsoup, Jsoup……
He ain’t here. Can’t bring back yesterday. Move forward.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
So beating a dead horse will somehow resurrect it?
October 24th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Could you please move forward now? We’ve listened to all your should’a, would’a, and
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RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
I still get a kick out of Corks healdine.. Palmer having a career year and validates trade.
Reminds me of that Iraq ministry of propoganda dude who said.. they were winning the war.. and had us on the run lol
October 24th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
“could’as”
October 24th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
believe me I wish the Palmer trade was working out better right now
October 24th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
cuz that would mean the raiders would have at least 4 wins by now
October 24th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
And I’m stuck at home, under a tropical storm warning. Fml
October 24th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Edward Teach Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
I’ll break it down for you Eastoakland;
Hue gets a pass for the team not making the playoffs because the D sucked. By all accounts from the Hue backers, the offense was fine and it was the defense that kept us from the postseason.
If Palmer was the QB (and he was), how can he be blamed for not leading the team to the playoffs if it was the defense that kept us at home?
Now do you understand?
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yeah I got you, but Hue takes just as much heat if not more than Palmer in here. but I’m with you 110% cant blame Palmer that they fired the coach that ran the scheme that would have this team atop the AFC west easy right now instead of struggling with this WCO crap with Knapp.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Hey old fool Kell,..when I was at ReMax in San Jose,…in a slow week I would get 50 listings,…then again I didnt spend half my day pouring tokens in my Googlie machine scanning the web for 3rd down conversion stats…then spending the other half of my day getting body slammed in a blog.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Imagine if Gruden and Woodson was still here? Lol
Chief Keef-”that’s that shet, I don’t like!”
October 24th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Lmao @Amy
Ahhh, I needed that!
October 24th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Imagine if Greg Knapp wasnt here.. or the power scheme was still here.
Imagine if Satele was still our center!!! for reals
October 24th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
AmysInCharge Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Hey old fool Kell,..when I was at ReMax in San Jose,…in a slow week I would get 50 listings,…then again I didnt spend half my day pouring tokens in my Googlie machine scanning the web for 3rd down conversion stats…then spending the other half of my day getting body slammed in a blog.
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Lol. Get a life Doofus Boob.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Um,..get a life?…hey you should patton that old man,..that has a nice ring to it…even an old cliche like that you got from your Googlie machine I bet.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
You should get a life Doofus Boob.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
You should drink less Ripple old man. But you cant hep yoseff, it be in yo DNA.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Funny, Campbell has the only winning record a QB has had here since Gannon, and he’s…..schit on here everyday.
There’s something deeper going on here………
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I won’t be one of those guys. It is possible to like JC and appreciate what he did…the effort..the fact he blanked the afc west two yrs. ago…I liked him fine. I like Palmer too. I also liked Stabler, Plunkett and Gannon.
A vote for Palmer is not necessarily a vote against JC. Imo.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
AmysInCharge Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
You should drink less Ripple old man. But you cant hep yoseff, it be in yo DNA.
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HahaHahahaHahahahahahaha Hehehehehehehe
Get a life troll.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Eastoakland,
Here’s what I think; I think that McKenzie’s vision goes WAY beyond this year, and maybe even next. He wants to start laying the groundwork for a style of play on both sides of the ball and feels that the sooner he gets started doing that, the better.
I’m sure he knows that there are some square pegs in round holes this year, but I’m betting that he’s willing to move on his plan regardless of the growing pains associated with the transition, knowing that the sooner you start the sooner you get there.
There are elements of the fan base that aren’t and won’t be as patient as he is. Those fans have a right to feel pain and impatience; the past several years of constant losing has worn even the most loyal a bit thin. My guess is that he will stick to his plan because he believes in it. He comes very highly recommended by some very smart people, and I have faith in the guy. Some don’t, and won’t be able to tolerate the journey. To each his own.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
I will say this about Palmer .. the guy is tough!! and he was under the impression HUE would still be here.
btw I found this on youtube. The day the Palmer trade was made.. JIM ROME SHOW had one of the biggest shows about the RAiders.. tons of fans were calling in.. pumped up and fired up and about HUE JAX city.. .. ROME LIKE the trade but said it was a big risk .
CHeck out the listen if u have some time.. its wild.. fiyahs u up .. ROME said RAIDER FAN” is back…
http://youtu.be/ZV0Z3q8b0z8
October 24th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
listen at the 12:00 minute mark LOL
October 24th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
jasoup would run krappys offense to perfection…but palmer needs to be left to run his game…
October 24th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
mckenzie is a freakin idiot who couldnt find talent if it hit him in the azs
October 24th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
n the 11 minute mark i mean haha
October 24th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Corky gags on suxing rocks… Knapp’s and Palmer’s.
Right on cue, Palmer is having a career year and the team has struggled and is 2-4. Sounds like bungleland to me, deja vu all over again.
Before the half of the jville game, the Raiders had 4 first downs. Yes, the second half told another story, but in that first half fans in the live chat with Corky wanted Palmer out, fickle fans indeed…
What a story Raiders season, DMac in the tank and Palmer having a corky-dream season, but the team is 2-4, what does that say about meaningless inflated stats?
Defenses are keying on stopping DMac, and allowing Palmer and Knapp the dink and dunk. Except for the two 2nd half come from behind going with the no-huddle wins.
Again, no breaking news here, the chefs with Quinn are the worst team in the division, and only one better than jville without MJD and Gabbert.
The Raiders need to kick some chef butt. No more moral victories or ugly wins.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Yo Raidersallday dude,…calm down…I know going back a year, getting excited about your hero Jim Rome has ya all sweaty tonight,..just chill out dude. Now,..what was that minute mark again?
October 24th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
The issue I had/have with the Carson trade last year was the assumption that the Raiders was a playoff calibre team. We all knew the defense was as raggedy and useless and not capable of any meaningful playoff success.
To me, the Carson deal and what was given up was for a team that was a QB away from a deep playoff run…a team like the Jets, Ravens, Cardinals, or Seahawks. We were not at that level. That’s why those picks were best kept.
As for Kyle Boller….it was total incompetence to have a backup not capable of playing at a basic level.
With that said, Carson Palmer is helping this team. I am not sure if he’s the elite difference maker like Brees, Eli, Big Ben, Ryan or Rogers….
ITs not Carson’s fault Hue gave up the kings ransom….just like its not DHBs fault he was drafted 35 spots higher than he should have gone in the draft.
So the players have to play and the coaches coach with what we have right now.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
100% Spot on well said 100%
# raiderinparadise Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Palmer will be solid for this team.
Look at how he is playing depsite:
WORST RUN GAME IN LEAGUE
Terrible RT and pass protection
Mix bag of WR’s thrown together
Defense that started season awful and no forced turnovers.
No punt return or KO return field position help.
As everything gets better around him he will really shine.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Tarver and DA are making it happen on defense.
Offense is going to struggle this year with this ZBS. The passing game has to carry the day….and Carson is good enough to pull that off….
Going to need another draft/free agency to round out the o-line
October 24th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Ok,..you losers dragged me into this Palmer trade debate,..here is the truth so you idiots can get on to something important,…like your Fantasy Football leagues,…the Palmer trade was a bargain,…not even close,..the first round pick we traded away,..if we didnt do trade, drafted a guy, by this time all of you already would hate him and all you would post about is the only way we keep him is if he restructures…ok?…all good now? Move on.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
254,
Yes. It’s the worst kept secret on this board that there’s a contingent of 3 or 4 guys who will always pull for and only accept black quarterbacks. Nobody in their right mind would consider Campbell better than Palmer. They just wouldn’t.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
PS anyone remember JC’s 1st or 2nd game at Tennessee? I was in shock when I saw him throwing the ball into the ground when no one was within 10 yds of him.
I STILL cant get over that visual, especially when he proceeded to do it 3 or 4 more times in subsequent games.
You’ll never see Palmer (or any real QB) do that.
Palmer is a pro’s pro. He will shine even more if/when our run game gets going. Getting corner depth from spencer and bartell as well as keeping our run d stout will help too.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I also love how Campbell was supposedly “chomping at the bit to start”. He simply couldnt be a backup. What happens? The picosecond free agency opens up, Soup sprints out the door to got back up Cutler in Chicago.
Child, please….
October 24th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I think Campbell lost many Raiders fans in that first game. Remember when he slid on 3rd down just short of the sticks when any kind of effort whatsoever would’ve meant a first down.
Then Hue rightfully benched him at halftime of Game 2 and the offense that blew for 6 quarters under Campbell came to life with Grads.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Carson will be a “bargain” if, and only, if Reggie can get a team built around him that will take advantage of his abilities within the window Carson has left.
Putting in the ZBS and cancelling out DMAC was not a good start.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
My favorite pass was against the Patriots, at the end of the first half. Beautiful pass right into Patrick Chungs hands, with no Raider in sight.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
According to the standings the Raiders are a game out, with ten to play,..what a bunch of little girls.
October 24th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Ah yeah, Grads was the best QB since……….if it weren’t for Grads………….what would have happened?
October 24th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Chris I forgot about that slide. Then again, Campbell himself probably wants to forget about sliding altogether after that hot mess of an attempt last year vs Cleveland.
A mid round 1st and 2nd for Palmer is a steal.
What did Atlanta give up for Jones, a WR? Two 1sts a second and their collective soul?
Ditto for R. Matthews in San Diego. That guy has been a dumpster fire from day 1 and I know NORF and co opened up the franchise chastity belt on that disasterous draft day manuever in order to get him.
Perspective. Something this board mostly lacks…
October 24th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
“Putting in the ZBS and cancelling out DMAC was not a good start.”
Amen!
October 24th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
AmysInCharge Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
According to the standings the Raiders are a game out, with ten to play,..
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True — still a lot of season left.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
“Putting in the ZBS and cancelling out DMAC was not a good start.”
Amen!
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That’s why its hard to rate Carson bad right now. The Raiders have so far done it without a running game for the most part.
If they can get him going, the passing game would really takeoff.
So unfortunate they have to waste time trying to learn a blocking system that requires a PHd in Physics and Motion.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
I see a Den loss vs N.O. but I cant imagine even a N0.0RF run squad blowing it in Cleveland this Sunday. If the game as in 8 weeks with snow, maybe….
Still, alone in 2nd place this Sunday sounds good to me!
PS I see its now at 4pm. Good. Could have sworn I saw it listed as 1pm yesterday…
October 24th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Barely beat Jville at home, with their 2 best players out. Yeah, plenty of season left. Hope you enjoy it.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Raiders defense plays like it has the last couple of weeks, they can win any game on the schedule.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Why do you hang around here (let alone post)?
Why bother? I honestly don’t get it…
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“# KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Barely beat Jville at home, with their 2 best players out. Yeah, plenty of season left. Hope you enjoy it.”
October 24th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Barely beat Jville at home, with their 2 best players out. Yeah, plenty of season left. Hope you enjoy it.
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I enjoyed it last week….win is a win.
Plenty of season still left and there is a reason why they play the game.
Raiders are not as far behind as it may appear in the first few games. If DMAC gets going and they get beyond the teething stage of this doggone ZBS–Raiders can be very competitive this year.
No team is really head and shoulders above the rest this year.
Every game is winnable provided the D plays well and they figure out that dammmed ZBS
October 24th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
I also love how Campbell was supposedly “chomping at the bit to start”. He simply couldnt be a backup. What happens? The picosecond free agency opens up, Soup sprints out the door to got back up Cutler in Chicago.
Child, please….
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LOL. Certain posters here would have us believe that Soup was “too good” to even consider sticking around in a backup role and he scurries off to carry Cutler’s bags. LMAO.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Our offense is respectable right now because of Palmer. Put a clown like Russell back there and you will see just how awful the surrounding cast is. No run game. Green receivers. No blocking whatsoever. Pathetic.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Tuckrulefool,
I’ve been following the Raiders 48yrs. I’ll say whatever the fk I like about this team.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Perspective. Something this board mostly lacks…
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Hello! Truer words have not been spoken.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
JC is gone man. He was a limited QB but he did help to air out the losing attitude.
He provided leadership to this team that was missing for 10 years. He got the receivers and the offense to start working hard…he led the team. He doesn’t deserve the disrespect that is tossed at him.
Can’t hate on a guy that had the team to 5-2 before he went out and was a stand up guy throughout.
Let’s just say he’s moved on. CP is the QB now.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
This offense is respectable? Really, in what league?
October 24th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but the Raiders worked out DE Marcus Benard today?
October 24th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
The only people that thinks CP sucks are Madden players that run around with Pryor and win and think its real life.
It’s a joke.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Not many people say Palmer sucks, just that he’s not the second coming of the Great Gradkowski.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
To me it is not overly complicated.
We were dead last in run d as recently as 3 games ago. Now we are mid pack at 102/game. That’s a HUGE improvement.
If we can continue to do that and not get any more injuries to our defensive backs (at least until we get both day one starters back) I think we are going in the right direction on D.
The BIG (pretty obvious) thing we really need is an actual running game. That will open up the pasing game but just as importantly STOP THE FLOOD GATES bombarding Palmer on every snap.
Defenses know we cant run so they throw the sink at us. I personally dont think the line is as bad as it appears. If they can start to run block a lot of ills will start to fade as far as that aspect goes. Question is can they learn this ZBS in time?
I really wish Allen had blown up the D and only ‘tinkered’ with the O. He had it set with Saunders here, ready and able.
That said, it is what it is and I think they need to get DMAC comfortable and simultaneously incorporate Goodson a bit more. I also want to see Jones in there. the guy is quicksilver. Just get creative with all 3. doingso wont threaten DMAC it will help him. Tossing in more of Reece woudln’t hurt eitehr.
Bottom line, as has been said before, 4-4 (even as we are now) is very attainable. And hopefully by that time the OL is gelling with ZBS as DMAC begins to get comfortable. Plus we should have both CBs (and maybe Curry for depth and maybe a bit of 3-4 action?) by early November as well…
A little bit of hope can go a long way!
October 24th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Campbell would have been sacked 7 times last week and we would have been blown out at home by the worst team in football.
CP had a horrible game but still avoided sacks… made enough plays at the end to pull it out.
Eli has done something his whole career.
Campbell has NEVER done this once. He plays well when the team is playing well.
That’s why Campbell JUMPED at a backup spot at Chicago.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
That’s why Campbell JUMPED at a backup spot at Chicago.
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He JUMPED at a backup spot in Chicago because it was his best offer….and backing up in the NFL is not a bad payday.
Those guys are all trying to earn as much bank as they can before their short careers end.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Whoa there Koolest of Kells!
Whatever gets you through the day, man! Just sayin’ how it seems like a waste of YOUR time if you don’t think the team is going anywhere fast yet post 199,232 times a day.
Here’s to hoping you have fun with that!
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# KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Tuckrulefool,
I’ve been following the Raiders 48yrs. I’ll say whatever the fk I like about this team.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Tuckrulefool,
The ZBS is hurting the run game, but let’s also remember that defenses are gearing up to stop him too.
I would like to see more games like last week from DHB and not games like the ATL game where he had the most targets and zero catches.
CP needs more downfield targets than just D.Moore. That will go along way to opening up the passing game down field
October 24th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
the losses will keep coming until da and krappy are gone…
October 24th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Carson played good enough down the stretch last year, without DMAC, vs San Diego and Detroit to win those games but our crappy defense gave it up.
If the D just stays middle of the pack and creeps to a top 10-15, I believe our offense will slowly improve.
We have 10 games left, anything can happen in The NFL!
I’m predicting a blowout in KC, we win there frequently and we are due to play a complete game and DMAC is due.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Marcus Benard has been pretty productive and has sacks in every year he’s had an opportunity to play.
2010 6 games 3.5 sacks
2011 15 games 7.5 sacks
Thanks R8eray
October 24th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
r8eray Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Don’t know if anyone has mentioned this but the Raiders worked out DE Marcus Benard today?
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Benard was promoted from the Browns practice squad to the active roster on November 9, 2009.[1] He had 7.5 sacks in 2010, his best season as a pro. After playing in only four games in 2011 due to injury, Benard was injured again in training camp and waived/injured by the Browns on August 27, 2012. [2]
October 24th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Splooge. WHUT WHUT YAWL Just Splooge Baby.
PMPP Dawggy style justs keepin it fo realz. Word.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
JC is gone man.
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Nobody here is discussing Soup for the sake of dogging him, but rather adressing all the nostalgic comments we had to endure while he was here.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Just Sploogin with the PMPP Posse.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
The team needs to come out on 1st drive and go up 7-0. Follow that up with 3 and out and another TD or Fg at a minimum. That hasn’t happened all year. If they can get a real lead watch the running flood gates open.
Surprisingly the KC run D is pretty bad. Ok, very bad. That said, same was true for Jax and Atl and we did zer0.
The difference/key here is getting a sizable lead for once. It will be especially helpful on the road in a loud venue like KC.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
This offense is respectable? Really, in what league?
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Uhh…the NFL. Keep up. We’re 18th in the NFL in yards/game. Does that not fit your definition of respectable?
October 24th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Yeah sure, what’s wrong with being up 24-0, 1st qtr.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
The offense is 9th in passing, despite being 31st in rushing.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I don’t know what games some of you guys were watching in 2011 but Jason Campbell was having a great year before the injury. He was on the rise. He really was getting comfortable in the offense. Damn if JC and DMAC do not get hurt last year= PLAYOFFS. The D was weak but anything could happen. Even better thought of were the team would be now= Hue coaching, revamped D, and another playoff run or better in the works.
Raiders vs Texans, week 5, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIpWVoUgMH0&feature=relmfu
October 24th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
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Uhh…the NFL. Keep up. We’re 18th in the NFL in yards/game. Does that not fit your definition of respectable?
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No it doesn’t, when were in the bottom of the league in 3rd down conversions, scoring and running the ball.
You keep up.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Bitter man this Kell character…
Life is short amigo, chill a bit you’ll live longer!
October 24th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
If DMAC doesn’t get going, they should give some touches to Goodson and Reece. Why Knapp hasn’t done that yet, is baffling.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Bitter man this Kell character…
Life is short amigo, chill a bit you’ll live longer!
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I don’t chill when the Raider are 2-4.
Losers like always chill while you’re losing.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
RaidO Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I don’t know what games some of you guys were watching in 2011 but Jason Campbell was having a great year before the injury. He was on the rise. He really was getting comfortable in the offense. Damn if JC and DMAC do not get hurt last year= PLAYOFFS. The D was weak but anything could happen. Even better thought of were the team would be now= Hue coaching, revamped D, and another playoff run or better in the works.
Raiders vs Texans, week 5, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIpWVoUgMH0&feature=relmfu
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Week 17 last year, we win we’re in.
Palmer was 28/43 for 417 yards with 2 TDs, 1 INT, and a 102.6 QB rating.
You mean to tell me Soup would have performed better? LMAO! Or are you telling me Soup played defense too?
October 24th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
We raider fans can be a cynical lot can’t we? I wonder if we were the same back in the day…like before they left…
October 24th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
He did…in Atlanta both got some significant action 9adn produced).
I still think DMAC will be ok in this system but not sure if we can wait and do nothing as he gets the learning curve. As he gets up to speed OAK nees to simultaneously use Goodson (who seems to get this system better than DMAC does right now). As DMAC gets more looks, he should improve and if so we phase out some of Goodson’s touches.
Now, if by week 12 DMAC still lost and Goodson (and Jones?) are producing maybe a real decision needs to be made. Thats hypothetical though and I am more interested in near term (i.e. now through next 3-4 weeks).
October 24th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Uhh…the NFL. Keep up. We’re 18th in the NFL in yards/game. Does that not fit your definition of respectable?
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Yards/ game?!
You win by scoring more than your opponent and not by accumulating more yards.
Cam threw for 4000+ yards last season, but how many games did they win?
October 24th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Steelers had more yards/ game than we did, but who won that game?
October 24th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
RaidO Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I don’t know what games some of you guys were watching in 2011 but Jason Campbell was having a great year before the injury. He was on the rise. He really was getting comfortable in the offense. Damn if JC and DMAC do not get hurt last year= PLAYOFFS. The D was weak but anything could happen. Even better thought of were the team would be now= Hue coaching, revamped D, and another playoff run or better in the works.
Raiders vs Texans, week 5, 2011
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIpWVoUgMH0&feature=relmfu
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Week 17 last year, we win we’re in.
Palmer was 28/43 for 417 yards with 2 TDs, 1 INT, and a 102.6 QB rating.
You mean to tell me Soup would have performed better? LMAO! Or are you telling me Soup played defense too?
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Did you read the comment? I said if JC and DMAC DO NOT GET HURT. Week 17 would be irrelevant. Raiders would have already won enough games to be in the playoffs.
October 24th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
If DMAC doesn’t get going, they should give some touches to Goodson and Reece. Why Knapp hasn’t done that yet, is baffling.
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knapps got issues. He’s got a complicated aversion to making adjustments.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
RaidO – I took Week 17 as a microcosm of last season. It was an example used to show how the problems of last year extended beyond the QB position.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
JC played well for us last year before he was injured (4-2 record), but he is not as good/ better than CP. He is more athletic than CP, more conservative with the ball, but CP will get you more TDs/ Wins.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Come on, guys. Just be honest. Palmer is the ONLY NFL QB we have had since Gannon.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Palmer is not a Manning, or Brady, or Brees, or Rodgers. I would rank him between 10-15 of the 32 QBs in the league.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Raider O – at this point my comments are getting twisted into something else. The original point is that Palmer makes what would otherwise be a terrible offense at least decent. 9th in passing. Yes, we have scoring problems. I’m not sitting here saying the offense is great or even good. Calm down.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
No wonder we suck so bad arguing over JC and CP. Tom brady sure put up better than 20/20 ration with no run game and awful WR. Best QB since Gannon wow what an honor to be better than Mcown,Brooks,Jamarcus,JC. Pitt was without Harrison and Troy and Jax were kicking our ass till MJD and Gabbert went down. CP ain’t worth what we paid for him sorry now way but JC sucked worse just an awful time 2003-?
October 24th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
RaidersOne Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Btw, I am not saying Palmer’s performance isn’t commendable; it is.
It’s just he protects Big Head (Knapp) to an unconsionable degree.
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That’s because he is a MAN?!?! Ever play on a team?!?! Holy crap, I don’t like knapp either but I’m not a player, so I can say that. Palmer can’t! Palmer has been nothing but first class on and OFF the field since he arrived in Oakland. Yea, he was expensive. And arguably not worth it either, but the jury is still out. And yea, we gave up a first rounder last year and that hurt. But what r our last two first rounders doing? We have one just barely hanging onto a roster spot and another one still ‘coming into his own’ after 3 years. It’s pretty clear that Palmer has already out produced our last two first rounders, and he’s a MAN!!! Would you prefer dissension in the locker room and back biting? He may not like knapp or his system either, but we will NEVER know that. And I for one commend him for that.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Beach Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Come on, guys. Just be honest. Palmer is the ONLY NFL QB we have had since Gannon.
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To quote the coaches last year when Palmer came on board – “So that’s what a real QB looks like.”
Ouch
October 24th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
im out, the raiders need to get TP 6 ready and hand him the keys for the last 3-4 games of the year, this team is going nowhere.
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Huh? This team is 2-2 in their last four and could very easily be 3-1. And it’s not like that is coming off bottom feeders. 3 of those teams are potential playoff teams. Some people here need to shut their yaps.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
We also worked out:
Manfred Ytzylski 5′8 160 DB-Rock Valley Community College.
Ytzylski is an undrafted free agent who signed on originally with New Jersey Catamarans of the Eastern Shore Football League in 2010.
In college he had 3 tackles and 1 int. in 3 games in which he played during his career.
He was arrested and charged with murder in the bludgeoning death of a convenience store clerk during his senior yr. at Rock Valley. He was eventually cleared of the charge when a key witness in the case turned up missing.
After coming back from his suspension from the team he was arrested once again on charges of operating an illegal prostitution ring. He was also under investigation for the disappearence of one of the prostitutes under his control; a young man by the name of Dabney Cole..who’s dismembered body was found in a cornfield with the initials “M.Y” scrawled in pen across his chest. Lack of evidence allowed Ytzylski to escape prosecution.
His subpar play and lack of time on the field make his signing by any professional team curious at best.
Negatives: Extremely slow for a DB. In fact his 6.8 sec. 40 time makes him slow for any position on a football team. Seems to not only shy away from contact, but appears to be scared of any physical contact whatsoever. Bad hands which earned him the nickname “Ole stone hands” by his teammates. Questionable mental competancy. Once while entrusted with returning a kickoff with New Jersey, he muffed the kick and then quickly ran to the back of the endzone…without the ball and curled up in the fetal postion and began crying. When concerned teammates came to his aide he revealed a semi-automatic handgun which he had hidden in his uniform. He pointed the gun at one of his teammates and threatened to kill him “if he ever touched him again”.
He was contacted by Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie on Oct. 25th and invited to Oakland for a workout.
“I’m excited about this opportunity” said Ytzylski.
“We like a few things about him” said Raiders head coach Dennis Allen.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
im out, the raiders need to get TP 6 ready and hand him the keys for the last 3-4 games of the year, this team is going nowhere.
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Huh? This team is 2-2 in their last four and could very easily be 3-1. And it’s not like that is coming off bottom feeders. 3 of those teams are potential playoff teams. Some people here need to shut their yaps.
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Yes the raider are lucky the rest of the AFC sucks this year but the schedule is pretty tuff. I could see maybe 3 or 4 more wins.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
I’m calm bro. I’m just trying to help people understand that yards/ game means nothing, if you don’t score points.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
They could be 6-0 too, but they aren’t.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
YES JEWESPN it IS all about RACE….Cam NewtDUMB is a DUMB BABOON that is NO leader just like every other of his low IQ species!!! ONLY WHITE ARE LEADERS AND GREAT QB’S = NOW & FOREVER
October 24th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Mistic 1/2 Da’Supababoon = your species is INFERIOR deal with it…TP sucks too! ******* Carson “WHITE” Palmer one of the TOP 10 best trades the Raiders have ever made!
October 24th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
beach Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Palmer is not a Manning, or Brady, or Brees, or Rodgers. I would rank him between 10-15 of the 32 QBs in the league.
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Actually, Palmer was a Heisman Trophy winner. The BEST player in college football. He was taken #1 OVERALL. He has led the NFL in completion percentage and TD’s. He is a two time Pro Bowl player. Those are the facts.
Personally, I never liked Palmer. USC scum as far as I was concerned. Then I saw him play up close and personal. This guy is an absolutelY MARVELOUS player. He throws a beautiful pass (which translates as “catchable”). He is incredibly accurate, can make ALL the throws, is tough as nails, smart, I cannot say enough about this player. Which brings us to the ultimate question which is why hasn’t he won then? I can answer that: he has played for the two worst franchises in football over the last 15 years the Bungholes and us. That’s why.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
RaidO Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
im out, the raiders need to get TP 6 ready and hand him the keys for the last 3-4 games of the year, this team is going nowhere.
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Huh? This team is 2-2 in their last four and could very easily be 3-1. And it’s not like that is coming off bottom feeders. 3 of those teams are potential playoff teams. Some people here need to shut their yaps.
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Yes the raider are lucky the rest of the AFC sucks this year but the schedule is pretty tuff. I could see maybe 3 or 4 more wins.
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You also kiss dudes don’t you?
October 24th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
RaidO Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
im out, the raiders need to get TP 6 ready and hand him the keys for the last 3-4 games of the year, this team is going nowhere.
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Huh? This team is 2-2 in their last four and could very easily be 3-1. And it’s not like that is coming off bottom feeders. 3 of those teams are potential playoff teams. Some people here need to shut their yaps.
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Yes the raider are lucky the rest of the AFC sucks this year but the schedule is pretty tuff. I could see maybe 3 or 4 more wins.
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You also kiss dudes don’t you?
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What the hell?
Chiefs= Win
Buccaneers= Loss
Ravens= Loss
Saints= Loss
Bengals= Loss. Maybe win
Browns= Win
Broncos= Loss
Chiefs= Win
Panthers= Loss
Chargers= Loss
4-12, 5-11, or 6-10
TP should be active by the Saints game.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Which brings us to the ultimate question which is why hasn’t he won then? I can answer that: he has played for the two worst franchises in football over the last 15 years the Bungholes and us. That’s why.
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Well, so much for the importance of an elite QB, huh?
October 24th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Which brings us to the ultimate question which is why hasn’t he won then? I can answer that: he has played for the two worst franchises in football over the last 15 years the Bungholes and us. That’s why.
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Well, so much for the importance of an elite QB, huh?
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Franchises?
Andy Dalton is doing pretty good over there in Cini
October 24th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
*cincinnati
October 24th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Which brings us to the ultimate question which is why hasn’t he won then? I can answer that: he has played for the two worst franchises in football over the last 15 years the Bungholes and us. That’s why.
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Well, so much for the importance of an elite QB, huh?
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Just writing that shows you don’t know what the fook is going on in a game. If Peyton Manning, you, me and a bunch of other posters lined up against the Rams, we would lose. Does that mean Manning sucks? No. It means his supporting cast did.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
RaidO Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Which brings us to the ultimate question which is why hasn’t he won then? I can answer that: he has played for the two worst franchises in football over the last 15 years the Bungholes and us. That’s why.
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Well, so much for the importance of an elite QB, huh?
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Franchises?
Andy Dalton is doing pretty good over there in Cini
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What is the rating of the defenses between what Palmer had and what Dalton has? Or let me simplify this: you kiss dudes don’t you? It’s OK, just admit it.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
If Peyton Manning, you and me lined up against the Rams………………veeeery astute.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
If Peyton Manning, you and me lined up against the Rams………………veeeery astute.
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Sorry it went over your head. The point is supporting cast matters. Nice that you made my point for me even tho it went right over your head. You can now go back to sleep.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
RaidO Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Which brings us to the ultimate question which is why hasn’t he won then? I can answer that: he has played for the two worst franchises in football over the last 15 years the Bungholes and us. That’s why.
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Well, so much for the importance of an elite QB, huh?
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Franchises?
Andy Dalton is doing pretty good over there in Cini
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What is the rating of the defenses between what Palmer had and what Dalton has? Or let me simplify this: you kiss dudes don’t you? It’s OK, just admit it.
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What is with the “Kiss dudes” thing? If you are gay man that’s ok but this is a football blog. Talk football and cut out the nonsense.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
What is the rating of the defenses between what Palmer had and what Dalton has? Or let me simplify this: you kiss dudes don’t you? It’s OK, just admit it.
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.???
October 24th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Obviously we have the bottom of the barrel here. I will come back tomorrow.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Lol.
October 24th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Raido says:—————————-
Franchises?
Andy Dalton is doing pretty good over there in Cini
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He’s 11-11.
October 24th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
i say we will make a run and we end up at 9-7 with hopes of that being enough to secure the AFC West Title.
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
October 24th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
HOLLA DUDES
just dumped a deuce that had two eyes and a pointy nose. it wouldn’t stay down when i flushed it (yes missus b used a toilet) so i pulled it out and dried it off and set it on the coffee table. you kno, a conversation piece.
CLEAN UP ON AISLE THREE
October 24th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
October 24th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
October 24th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
YO HO HO FELLOW DUDERS
my ex could learn a thing or two from my girlfriend. we be havin guests over, but no stool softeners allowed.
CLEAN UP ON AISLE THREE
October 25th, 2012 at 12:09 am
Why doesn’t Corky ban Missus Beeecham, whoever the hell it is whether lil Beeechy Brownie or another?
Do we really need this trash in here?
October 25th, 2012 at 12:12 am
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BABOONS TAKE OVER = http://www.prothink.tv/?p=749
October 25th, 2012 at 12:21 am
fangsraiders Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:12 am
THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN BABOONS TAKE OVER = http://www.prothink.tv/?p=749
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Goodbye & fangs for the memories
October 25th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Carson Palmer – we get him 3 or four years?
#1 draft pick – could have been 10 years
#2 draft pick – another 10 years
Bush & Wimbley let go because of cap 5 years each?
Hue traded 10 years of potential for each year of Palmer!
Idiotic trade.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Stop the witch-hunt
Knapp needs 3 years to implement the Houston Offense.
It will take 3 years to fill the roster with football players and get rid of the athletes anyway so why the impatience?
October 25th, 2012 at 12:48 am
Kim Kardashian likes black midgets!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Kiwi_Blade Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Carson Palmer – we get him 3 or four years?
#1 draft pick – could have been 10 years
#2 draft pick – another 10 years
Bush & Wimbley let go because of cap 5 years each?
Hue traded 10 years of potential for each year of Palmer!
Idiotic trade. ======== WHAT A MORON !!!…..AND HOW IS THAT #1 PICK WORKING OUT FOR THE BENGALS?…POTENTIAL IS FOR LOSERS….PALMER IS A FRANCHISE PROVEN QB…..get lost you dope
October 25th, 2012 at 1:27 am
eat marshmallow pie you rocking horse people
October 25th, 2012 at 1:54 am
The no-huddle will just make us run, run, pass, and punt faster.
October 25th, 2012 at 2:05 am
That being said, Palmer is doing an amazing job. Soup would have been knocked out by week 3. Remember how awkwardly he falls?
October 25th, 2012 at 2:08 am
Last thing for the night: heard on the Dan Patrick Show that Leinart is one of the Top 10 most disliked NFL players. Cardinals fans have a long memory, I guess?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:27 am
Band Fangs! Who knew Neanderthals could actually use a computer?
October 25th, 2012 at 4:32 am
“If that’s all you’re going to come into the game with you completely limit yourself, from personnel groups, to formations, to protections, in the red zone, on third down, (when you’re) backed up,’’ Palmer said. “It’s not feasible. It’s a good change-up. It gets us out of a rut every once in awhile . . . it’s not something you can run all the time.’’
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Should be used in the 1st quarter the way we start games really sucks except v pittsburg ,we need to start going for the throat from the first whistle man,slow it down later
October 25th, 2012 at 4:51 am
Great article Steve.
As I’ve been saying since we got Palmer, he’s the best quarteabrback that we’ve had since Gannnon.
On the other hand I have to agree with those who said we gave up too much but you have to remember that it was definitely a sellers market at the time. Although Hue definitely wanted Palmer.
When it comes to Boller, he was only around here because Hue wanted him to be. Maybe he was doing Hue’s nails.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:51 am
*quarterback
October 25th, 2012 at 4:54 am
Why do Missus Beeecham’s comments get removed for being abusive and Fangsraider’s do not? These moderator’s are about as consistent as the replacement refs.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:20 am
“Stanford has been learning our system, and he has been coming on,” Crennel said in a conference call. “He has an interception. He had a rough outing the last time. He was in position to make plays, and we didn’t make them. The opponent made them. Otherwise, he has been working well.”
Romeo Crennel
lol, classic Romeo.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:23 am
Right now, since we CANT go back in time, the trade was worth it. Forget about the last couple years folks, and forget about JC and Hubert, they ain’t coming back! We got Carson now and he’s on his way to a career year, deal with it!! And lets win some mutha******g games!!
October 25th, 2012 at 5:26 am
Raiders worked out free agent DE Marcus Benard.
Benard has garnered quite a bit of interest since being released by the Browns with an injury settlement earlier in the month. Arizona had Benard in at their facility last week. Oakland signed Andre Carter a few weeks ago to try and jump start their pass rush, but the defense still sits near the bottom of the league with just seven sacks.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:27 am
LOL at Tami Hall calling the Raiders dirty. What year does he think this is?
October 25th, 2012 at 5:46 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 6:32 am
NOT MUCH CHANGES IN THE BLOG WORLD DOES IT..COULD PREDICT THE RESPONSES AFTER THIS ARTICAL ON CP.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:43 am
I know right?
October 25th, 2012 at 6:45 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
October 25th, 2012 at 6:46 am
What’s up Dirt Lot, Mike?
October 25th, 2012 at 6:46 am
“For whatever reason, Carson Palmer hasn’t been able to win over the Raiders fan base since his arrival here a year ago.”
I’m behind Palmer.
Truth is, had we kept the same offensive system in place (wether it was Hue staying, Al Saunders as OC or some other OC with a similar style) and the same OL that last year gave up just 25 sacks and produced the 7th rushing attack with # 20 playing just 6 games (which we could have done simply by re-signing Satele instead of signing Brisiel and shuffling the interior positions) I’m certain Palmer would have this Offense rolling and more than likely scoring at least 25 ppg.
It’s not Palmer’s fault we decided to go in a different direction.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Good Morning Bob! I agree
October 25th, 2012 at 6:49 am
SouthTexasRaider Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
i say we will make a run and we end up at 9-7 with hopes of that being enough to secure the AFC West Title.
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
October 25th, 2012 at 6:53 am
100% agree Bob.
and good morning Hwnrdr.. how the he11 are you on this fine Thursday morning ??
October 25th, 2012 at 6:54 am
SEEMS TO ME THAT A ON A LOT OF CP’S PASSES THAT THE RECIEVER HAS TO TURN AROUND OR MAKE A MAJOR ADJUSMENT TO THE BALL THOUGH.NOT SURE IF ITS TIMING,HIM HAVING TO HURRY HIS THROW’S ..
October 25th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Mike…doing good, I guess! Started raining a little after a tease of sunshine yesterday!
October 25th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Could be timing…remember again, his wr’s were out most of TC and pre-season (well, at least Moore, Ford…)
October 25th, 2012 at 7:03 am
THATS TRUE HWNRDR.BUT ITS THE RB’S AND TE’S WHEN THEY ARE CATCHING ALSO..
October 25th, 2012 at 7:06 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 7:03 am
THATS TRUE HWNRDR.BUT ITS THE RB’S AND TE’S WHEN THEY ARE CATCHING ALSO..
Touche’
October 25th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Good morning, Nation!
Hope Richard Gordon can help pry some holes open for DMAC. Glad to have him back!
October 25th, 2012 at 7:20 am
morning Miami
October 25th, 2012 at 7:20 am
That would make my weekend if DMAC breaks loose this game (and stay’s healthy). If Taiwan is playing, get him in space as well!
October 25th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Based on nfl.com stats…we are 13th against the run, 22nd against the pass and 25th against scoring…
Man, remember when we used to be way up there against the pass…but then again…
October 25th, 2012 at 7:37 am
i hear ya Hwnrdr, sometimes i miss the ole
press man to man coverage. but only sometimes !! lol lol
October 25th, 2012 at 7:38 am
DA is too stupid to give some time to jones…he has to please reggie mccheese….
October 25th, 2012 at 7:40 am
palmer throws the reciever open, kinda like a point guard leads the player to an open shot….
October 25th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Do passing yards stats subtract for interception return yardage?
October 25th, 2012 at 7:49 am
HueKnewButHisEgoGrew Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Do passing yards stats subtract for interception return yardage?
No, only sacks I believe.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:51 am
It’s always something though right? We were #2 against the pass…because we were dead last against the run 6 years ago. This year we are kinda middle of the pack against the run, because we are in the bottom of the pack against the pass! However, I do see improvement. Patience is a virtue, but…
October 25th, 2012 at 7:52 am
If one doesn’t realize that Palmer is the best QB we have had in a decade one should just stop watching football because one just isn’t getting it.
Go watch Manchester United instead it might be a bit easier for one to grasp: Get ball, kick ball in net..if someone waves at you–flop around on ground as if you snapped a femur..
October 25th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Saying that he is the best QB we have had in a decade really isn’t saying that much.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:55 am
no question palmer is responsible for the two wins we have despite krappy
October 25th, 2012 at 7:58 am
#437 and #438…both true!
I think someone screwed the pooch on that one last year. We had Trent Edwards who IMO was better than Boller and they cut him loose. After JC went down, Hue tried to call him back and he said no! I think Hue had no other choice but to do what he did. Some said Gerrard, but he was hurt as well…With Boller we probably maybe would have had won one game, but we keep our picks…look at it however you want.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Which is why we should be happy he’s here. I don’t think there’s any question that the trade was a good one.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:59 am
What in the world was Hali talking about? Is he watching too many old NFL films. What a moron.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Boller would not have won that game against KC. Didn’t he have as many picks as Palmer coming off the couch? I like Boller, he seems like a good guy, but he’s a terrible QB.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:06 am
http://cle.scout.com/2/889966.html
October 25th, 2012 at 8:06 am
436.hwnrdr Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 7:51 am
It’s always something though right? We were #2 against the pass…because we were dead last against the run 6 years ago. This year we are kinda middle of the pack against the run, because we are in the bottom of the pack against the pass! However, I do see improvement. Patience is a virtue, but…
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You know that without those 2 runs by Reggie Bush we would be in the top 5 of run defenses. Drastic improvement (with the exception of 1 quarter of 1 game) in run defense this year. It is even more shocking that our pass defense has actually IMPROVED from last year, with a mash unit of CBs. Definitely missing the pass rush we had with Wauffle though. If we could generate a consistant pass rush for the rest of the year, this defense will be better than average.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Panda went wild
October 25th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Trent Edwards didn’t like Hue, and how he was talking out both sides of his mouth. Hue preached best man best man, but made Boller the back up when Trentative clearly was better in camp. Truth be told, we would have still been fvcked with Trent but, he was worlds better than Boller, and maybe even if we traded for Palmer, Trent could have played well enough to give Palmer some reps before inserting him into the lineup
October 25th, 2012 at 8:10 am
hello peeps,
Been too busy to post on here since we moved back but wanted to drop a greeting to all of you. Crazy game last week and that D was incredible. Palmer is the best QB since Gannon and by a wide margin. Go Raiders.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:12 am
If we didnt trade for palmer we might have finished with a bad enough record to get rg3..
October 25th, 2012 at 8:12 am
oh and we better get that RT spot upgraded…NOW. We aint going anywhere if that Oline doesnt improve. I can see now why Smith was let go by the Skins.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:14 am
@449, we already won 4 games when Palmer landed with us and the Skins finished 5-11 so no we would not have landed RG3 so lets move on.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:16 am
for those who haven’t read this already:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000085062/article/tamba-hali-oakland-raiders-always-play-dirty
October 25th, 2012 at 8:16 am
4 wins is fewer than 5 wins
October 25th, 2012 at 8:18 am
412.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:27 am
LOL at Tami Hall calling the Raiders dirty. What year does he think this is?
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The only Raider still “dirty” is DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL AKA “Always Caps Lock”
October 25th, 2012 at 8:20 am
411.GG Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:26 am
Raiders worked out free agent DE Marcus Benard.
Benard has garnered quite a bit of interest since being released by the Browns with an injury settlement earlier in the month. Arizona had Benard in at their facility last week. Oakland signed Andre Carter a few weeks ago to try and jump start their pass rush, but the defense still sits near the bottom of the league with just seven sacks.
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Sacks are an overrated stat 3 yrs. ago I think we led the league in sacks..or tied for lead and finsihed 5-11 and still had one of the worst run d’s in the league.
Not that sacks aren’t something we wanna see and getting pressure is important, it just doesn’t always translate to a successful defense or a winning team; as we’ve seen with our Raiders.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Boller was brought here because of his familiarity with Hue’s system, same reason Knapp brought Leinart in, better hope CP stays upright because Leinart is not going to win games for us and history shows Matt would only play a few quarters before going on IR as he has done almost every year.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Not that sacks aren’t something we wanna see and getting pressure is important, it just doesn’t always translate to a successful defense or a winning team; as we’ve seen with our Raiders.
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back then our d couldn’t stop the run. I think all we need is and edge rush to help our corners out, create some TO’s, create some momentum building plays
October 25th, 2012 at 8:36 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Good morning, Nation!
Hope Richard Gordon can help pry some holes open for DMAC. Glad to have him back!
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Myers is an above average pass catcher, but he whiffed on a key block early that almost certainly would have sprung McF for a long run.
That’s worse than dropping a long pass, IMO. Especially with McF struggling.
Streater also completely whiffed on a block on the only draw play Knapp called which also whould have been a long run for McF.
These two have to figure out there is more to the game than catching the ball.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:45 am
aig-raiders Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 8:14 am
@449, we already won 4 games when Palmer landed with us and the Skins finished 5-11 so no we would not have landed RG3 so lets move on.
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skins traded up to get RGIII… and gave away the farm to do it.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:45 am
453.Marks hair Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 8:16 am
4 wins is fewer than 5 wins
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Washington traded with a 2 win team for the #2 overall pick. 3 1’s and a 2 was the bounty. 2 more first round picks, for what would amount to 1 more 1 as we sit right now.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:45 am
I have seen many blocks missed by WR’s after the catch, DHB would have had a couple of TD’s had Moore just blocked one guy.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:46 am
I am a fan of Palmer and was really happy we were able to get him on our team and have defended him with lengthy posts, filled with stats, observations etc. but even I think the title of this post is a stretch.
To say he “validated” the trade…at this point..I don’t know.
I think he CAN validate it, but this season is nowhere near his best.
True, his #’s this yr. (passer rating, yards etc.) are higher than his career avg. he had some pretty dominate yr’s. in 2005 and ‘06.
In 2005 he threw for 3,800 yds with 32 td’s and only 12 int’s. His numbers were better than Peyton Manning that yr. and Peyton was 14-2 with the Colts that season .
Carson is on pace for 4,700 yds around 18 td’s and 10 int’s. That TD count is pretty low for that many yards..but if he keeps it up his int’s will be down alot.
He’s also had at least 3 td’s that were outright dropped.
But that hasn’t been the discussion lately, it’s been WINS and the lack of them.
Has bringing Palmer on resulted in more wins?
More than what Boller was gonna give us we know that.
I still say he can’t do it alone….Brady, or Rodgers or Brees can’t either.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:48 am
@ AIG,
hello dear friend…as u remember we used to go at it back in the day re: HueJax, Cable, etc….
i’m curious to know:
knowing what we know now, would you rather have DA and Knapp (package deal) or HueJax and a new DC of his choosing?
October 25th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Just pointing out the possibility. I like palmer
October 25th, 2012 at 8:53 am
JONTRAIN Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 8:48 am
@ AIG,
hello dear friend…as u remember we used to go at it back in the day re: HueJax, Cable, etc….
i’m curious to know:
knowing what we know now, would you rather have DA and Knapp (package deal) or HueJax and a new DC of his choosing?
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I would rather have DA and Knapp than Hue. Hue was not a good head coach.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:54 am
I think Hali is just trying to draw attention to the Raiders so he can get an edge.
Kind of a lame attempt.
“Those Raiders are dirty. Watch em close ref”.
I worry about Palmer throwing deep on Routt. I’d hate to see this turn into “Routt’s Revenge”.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:57 am
I worry about Palmer throwing deep on Routt. I’d hate to see this turn into “Routt’s Revenge”.
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Possibly, but I would love to see the Raiders first play be a deep pass towards Routt.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Going deep on Routt early could easily backfire. We know what works against him. He will allow slants and comebacks, content to just make the tackle…then hit him with one double move and he is toast.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Routt will probably get a pick six and then we will have to hear people in this blog complain about how Reggie let go of the great Routt!
October 25th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Palmer’s numbers may be on pace to look strong statistically, but I agree with those who point to turnovers and W-L record as the better measurements of the QB play.
It’s amazing how many of you point out that Palmer is having a good year DESPITE no running game, but I’d say his numbers are better AS A DIRECT RESULT of teams keying on stopping McFadden and the run game. Just a look back at 2010 and even 2011 before DMAC went down with injury, the Raiders were at their best when DMAC was getting his and the run game set up the passing game, and the Raiders were effective. I’ve seen every game so far in 2012, and not only is the Raiders’ O-line not very good, but teams are keying on McFadden in both the run game and when he releases for screens and short passes, and they are daring Palmer and the young, unproven WRs to beat them.
This is a smart gameplan, too, because Palmer may put up some numbers along the way, but he usually will drive your team before giving the ball back, or he’ll give it back on his end of the field and it will lead to easy points for the other team. Defenses know they can’t allow DMAC to beat them, so they’ve taken that away and are willing to take their chances with Palmer.
This has been obvious, and teams are 4-2 against the Raiders so far playing it this way, and they’re a play or two away from being a perfect 6-0.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Kiwi_Blade Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Stop the witch-hunt
Knapp needs 3 years to implement the Houston Offense.
It will take 3 years to fill the roster with football players and get rid of the athletes anyway so why the impatience?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
3 years to Implement his system?!?!?!?!
LMAO
You People………
Good morning Nation & Green Party.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:35 am
O !!
good day Mr.Vice President !!
October 25th, 2012 at 9:43 am
What if I was to tell you it’s going take at least 3 years before the Raiders can compete for the AFC West title?
October 25th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Good Day Sir.
Long Live The ODB!!
October 25th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Sir Dennis, the basis of this offense is a strong run game. So much of the passing attack is predicated on being able to run and defenses having to respect the run. That is why the passing success is impressive. Play action is non-existent with no running game to fear. This is why teams have been pinning their ears back and coming after Palmer.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Adam Teicher@adamteicher
Two Buffalo OL were quoted in Toronto Sun after game as saying Hali took “cheap shots” against Bills players
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So it was a classic case of “pot callin kettle black”, what a fkin biatch
October 25th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Coaches get fired after 2-3 years. Most GMs and owners are not willing to wait 3 years to see improvement/ results.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:55 am
If defenses are keying in on DMAC, what stopped them from doing that last year when he was healthy and tearing it up? And please don’t say they had to respect Jason’s arm or I will about bust a gut laughing.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:57 am
It took Gruden 3 years to turn the team into a winner.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Sir Dennis Eeatin-Hog Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Palmer’s numbers may be on pace to look strong statistically, but I agree with those who point to turnovers and W-L record as the better measurements of the QB play.
It’s amazing how many of you point out that Palmer is having a good year DESPITE no running game, but I’d say his numbers are better AS A DIRECT RESULT of teams keying on stopping McFadden and the run game. Just a look back at 2010 and even 2011 before DMAC went down with injury, the Raiders were at their best when DMAC was getting his and the run game set up the passing game, and the Raiders were effective. I’ve seen every game so far in 2012, and not only is the Raiders’ O-line not very good, but teams are keying on McFadden in both the run game and when he releases for screens and short passes, and they are daring Palmer and the young, unproven WRs to beat them.
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That last sentence you wrote is even more in Palmers favor.
Should he not get credit for his numbers when he’s throwing to..as you put it… “young, unproven WR’s”?
October 25th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
I salute to all fellow members of the Green Party!
October 25th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:57 am
It took Gruden 3 years to turn the team into a winner.
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Gruden took a 4-12 team and went 8-8 his first year. 4 win improvement.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:04 am
What’s up DMAC? What about the green bottle crew? LOL
October 25th, 2012 at 10:05 am
We Salute you Mr. Prez!
October 25th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Let’s face it. The guys who have a pre-disposition to not like Palmer will use whatever criteria that supports their dislike.
“Wins and turnovers”. Perfect. Got him.
Forget about his supporting cast…doesn’t matter…ever.
Brett Favre is a first ballot undeniable hall of famer and as far as turnovers go…in 298 games played he threw 336 int’s.
Wins? Favre has got em, but look at the teams he played on. A defense with Reggie White and Woodson, not to mention Dotson, Holliday, Sharper,the “grave digger”.
Plus, an offense with Freeman, Driver, Chumura and others….a great o-line and decent rb’s.
But Palmer is supposed to be the “miracle man” who wins everything despite his supporting cast.
Just admit you have pre-disposition to hate the guy.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am
DMAC !! good afternoon Mr. President !!
looks like we can start the party now.
got both the Prez and his V.P. here !!
GreenParty Rules !!
October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am
DMAC – the green party so far has failed to convince the American/Californian public to legalize it. What is your plan?
October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:57 am
It took Gruden 3 years to turn the team into a winner.
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Gruden took a 4-12 team and went 8-8 his first year. 4 win improvement.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
We were 8-8 the last 2 seasons with 2 different coaching staffs (HC, OC, and DC).
October 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am
http://www.prothink.tv/?p=749
October 25th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Not pointing to anyone in particular, but it’s funny how many on here will go on and on about how we’re rebuilding and Al Davis left us with a “hot mess” of garbage for Reggie to clean up and how we don’t have any talent whatsoever and yet Palmer is supposed to be the one to “carry the team on his shoulders” despite it all.
If you say Plamer should be doing much better than he is, than u are saying we have a good team to back him up.
Brady doesn’t win it alone, Rodgers doesn’t, Brees doesn’t….NOBODY has done it alone.
Show me ONE SB winner who had a lousy offense and defense BUT stud QB.
There are NONE.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Raider O Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Coaches get fired after 2-3 years. Most GMs and owners are not willing to wait 3 years to see improvement/ results.
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Yes, but Al left an unprecedented mess to clean up and Marks knows it.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Fangsraiders Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am
http://www.prothink.tv/?p=749
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And I see our very own George Lincoln Rockwell wannabe is back. Unfortunately.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am
“Unprecedented mess to clean up”.
So never before in history has there been an org. in such disarray?
An org. so horrible that it ranked 14th in the league in reg. season wins the combined prior two seasons?
I get that there are “out of whack” contracts that needed fixing, but it makes it sound like we don’t have any draft picks for the next 10 yr’s. and are completely broke.
We suffered ONE YR. with the lack of picks and will get hit with no 2nd rounder next yr. but teams that know what they are doing (and that is the key here) find a way to get it done.
You guys wanna give Reggie waaaaay too much slack.
If he’s as good as advertised, he makes this work way sooner than later.
Raider fanbase is way too lenient and easy on this new era.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am
JONTRAIN Says:
then hit him with one double move and he is toast.
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If only we had receivers that could make a good double move.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Palmer could go 29/30 against chiefs and we lose the game… some guys in here would still come in here and blame his lone misfire for why we lost the game … this is how much guys hate him on this blog
October 25th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Raider O Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:57 am
It took Gruden 3 years to turn the team into a winner.
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Gruden took a 4-12 team and went 8-8 his first year. 4 win improvement.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
We were 8-8 the last 2 seasons with 2 different coaching staffs (HC, OC, and DC).
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The Raiders are in an unusual situation. They have replaced a 50 year old system in Oakland. They have a new administration, philosophy, attitude, offensive system, defensive system, and new coaches. Last year’s team going 8-8 means nothing. NFL people have been quoted saying it could take 5 years for the Raiders to win.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:31 am
DJ Johnny Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am
“Unprecedented mess to clean up”.
So never before in history has there been an org. in such disarray?
An org. so horrible that it ranked 14th in the league in reg. season wins the combined prior two seasons?
I get that there are “out of whack” contracts that needed fixing, but it makes it sound like we don’t have any draft picks for the next 10 yr’s. and are completely broke.
We suffered ONE YR. with the lack of picks and will get hit with no 2nd rounder next yr. but teams that know what they are doing (and that is the key here) find a way to get it done.
You guys wanna give Reggie waaaaay too much slack.
If he’s as good as advertised, he makes this work way sooner than later.
Raider fanbase is way too lenient and easy on this new era.
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It’s just some people can’t get over the loss of their favorite players and keep blaming the management for rest of their lives
October 25th, 2012 at 10:32 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am
DMAC – the green party so far has failed to convince the American/Californian public to legalize it. What is your plan?
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I apologize for the delay. Have many excited members of the Green Party in attendance.
The plan is make it legal to Americans of age 21 and over. Alcohol kills lives everyday, and its legal. Why not marijuana?
You guys want to try to put a end to the black market?
Legalize it!!!!
Be responsible users!
DMAC gots your back!
Thank you
October 25th, 2012 at 10:33 am
hwnrdr Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:04 am
What’s up DMAC? What about the green bottle crew? LOL
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If it’s green, than I share with the team.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Darren McFadden is on the Week 8 injury report with a shoulder issue, but is practicing in full.
McFadden has been bothered off and on by his shoulder this season, but it hasn’t affected him in games. Although DMC is becoming increasingly hard to figure, he needs to be treated as an RB1 against the Chiefs.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Just think how bad we would be with Pryor at QB. If some guys in here had their way, we would be 0-6 and in the running for the #1 pick.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Jamaal Charles (back) is not listed on the Chiefs’ Week 8 injury report.
After getting roughed up by the Bucs’ front seven in Week 6, Charles used the bye week to get back to 100 percent. Even though the underrated Raiders’ run defense is giving up just 3.78 yards per carry, he’s a clear top-five fantasy option this week. We can safely project 20-25 carries despite Peyton Hillis’ likely return from an ankle sprain.
Source: Kansas City Star
October 25th, 2012 at 10:38 am
If McFadden has another crap game against the Chiefs, I’m picking up Goodsen on my fantasy football team.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:39 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:32 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 am
DMAC – the green party so far has failed to convince the American/Californian public to legalize it. What is your plan?
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I apologize for the delay. Have many excited members of the Green Party in attendance.
The plan is make it legal to Americans of age 21 and over. Alcohol kills lives everyday, and its legal. Why not marijuana?
You guys want to try to put a end to the black market?
Legalize it!!!!
Be responsible users!
DMAC gots your back!
Thank you
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this sir is why you are the Prez !!!
but dont forget to tax it and put an end to the
national debt !!
October 25th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Carson is playing great while under constant pressure due to the sad play of our O-line this year…Anyone who doesn’t think so or thinks Pryor should be playing QB knows nada about football.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:41 am
No doubt about taxing it.
+ free wacky weed Wednesdays
October 25th, 2012 at 10:43 am
lol .. that works DMAC !!
October 25th, 2012 at 10:43 am
#506: LMAO…”Wacky Weed Wednesdays” at work.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Remember to vote GREEN!
This message has been brought to you by members of the Raider Nation and Green Party smokers.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:47 am
I don’t think it’s a good idea to knock out Quinn this weekend. Just rough him up.
Cassell>Quinn
October 25th, 2012 at 10:48 am
I love Palmer.
I love the year he’s having.
But I find it hilarious that Gannon took so much crap here for ranking Palmer 22nd best QB.
Palmer has the 21st ranked ESPN Total QBR. Proving just what a bunch of jokers all the semi’s are here.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:49 am
I envision two scenarios for this game. The Raiders play great and win easily. The Raiders get blown out by Chiefs.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Palmer has the 21st ranked ESPN Total QBR. Proving just what a bunch of jokers all the semi’s are here.
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He has 2nd best QBR in the AFC West.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:49 am
This game actually worries me a bit…Remember the last time Cork said we were going to blow someone out? (the second Charger game last season)
October 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am
DJ Johnny Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:27 am
“Unprecedented mess to clean up”.
So never before in history has there been an org. in such disarray?
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An organization that lost its owner, general manager, scouting director, player/personnel head, media director and defensive coordinator simultaneously? And every single one of those positions was filled by an octogenarian who had lost his touch when Reagan was in office? No. Nothing like this has ever happened before.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am
VALIDATED
October 25th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Speaking of bad contracts. The NFL’s worst contracts:
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/dollars/post/_/id/2125/worst-nfl-contracts-no-running-from-russell
October 25th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Palmer has the #10 worst contract.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Oh, and how hilarious is it that it comes out that Knapp is the one calling the no-huddle and not Palmer.
Once again, proving what a bunch of douches the semi’s here are that hate on Knapp and say that the no-huddle works because Palmer is calling the plays and taking it out of Knapps hands.
Clowns.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:55 am
May not feel much like it, but we are in the middle of our mid-season playoff push.
Lots of cheap wins left on the schedule to stay relevant and “in the hunt” once they start printing those charts come Turkey Day.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:55 am
And Knapp’s ZBS running game sure is getting untracked eh?…I laugh…Loudly.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Oh, and how hilarious is it that it comes out that Knapp is the one calling the no-huddle and not Palmer.
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Anyone with half a brain knows this, shouldn’t even be news.
As if Carson Palmer is peering at the sidelines, evaluating personnel substituitions for the defense all the while calling 3-4 plays on his own.
Just comical.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Who knows JFB?…Remember that we were 4 – 4 the year we last went to the Superbowl and got rolling in game 9 in Denver.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Raider Riff Says:
Once again, proving what a bunch of douches the semi’s here are that hate on Knapp and say that the no-huddle works because Palmer is calling the plays and taking it out of Knapps hands.
Clowns.
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Truth.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Canuck,
The 2010 team was already eliminated from the playoffs going into our week 16 game.
It says here, we will still be playing for something in week 16.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Those Giants have you optimistic as all h*ll.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:03 am
It’s more the AFC than anything else.
If we were in the NFC I would make no such claims.
This might be the first year in awhile an 8-8 makes a wildcard. 9-7 for sure.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Here’s hoping JFB…The Chargers are regressing and the Chiefs don’t have a QB…I just hope that Peyton and the Broncos don’t get on a roll…Be rooting hard for the Saints this weekend.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Can the Raiders do what the Giants are doing? Will the Giants come up short? We will see….
October 25th, 2012 at 11:04 am
People love to trash the offense, but we just had our best 2nd half offensively, since the end of 2010.
We scored 17 2nd half points twice last year, never 20.
We just hung 20 in the second half.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:05 am
CanuckRaider Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Who knows JFB?…Remember that we were 4 – 4 the year we last went to the Superbowl and got rolling in game 9 in Denver.
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Like I said after the Atlanta game…..
I’d like us to be a team that ends the game well for once, and maybe doesnt choke down the stretch.
Asking for 60 minutes of football is obviously too much to ask for with this squad. But a late season collapse will not suffice. This team choked away 2010 and got Cable fired. This team choked away 2011 and got Hue fired.
Now we have the opportunity to do something different, which is actually finish games and finish a season. The last two years and the beginning of this one are marked with NUMEROUS games in which we played lights out for the first 30 mintues, and then never left the locker room.
The Jax game was the complete opposite. And Im hoping the rest of the season goes that way as well.
If we get to 4-4, we have a real shot. Prior to the season, as we all sat here and evaluated our schedule. ALL OF US agreed that the front half was loaded and that if we could just make it to 4-4 or even 4-5 thru the first half, we would be in prime position.
Well, we are poised to do just that. Maybe not the way we wanted. It hasnt been pretty. And it could have been a lot better (by winning SD, Mia, Atl) but the fact is, at the end of the day, we have a realistic shot at getting where we all wanted to be, which was .500 by the midway point with a very easy final stretch.
We can do this. Especially considering its just a matter of time before our run game explodes and when that happens, we will be a major threat in this league that NOBODY wants to play.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Heck, the Hawks made it 2 seasons ago at 7-9, and beat the Saints in the first round.
Anything is possible in the AFC this season.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Carson receives 4-5 plays from Knappy in the no huddle, than he makes his call.
Carson is a better play caller than Knapp.
Thats a fact jack!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Well the Giants have a system in place with the pitching coach having 15 years, and the skipper close to 10 years in a row with the organization.
Not quite the same thing.
And no, the Giants aren’t slowing down. Did you watch the Tigers try to field yesterday? LMAO, they have zero chance of winning anymore than game 4 to avoid the sweep.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:06 am
#530: The problem is the running game…Without one Carson will get killed.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Remember folks, we havent gone into halftime of any game yet where we werent in a prime position to win the game.
We find our running attack and we will be unstoppable. That is just a simple fact.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Vegas
Relax dude. It was game 1 only. Lots of baseball to be played. Your lucky the A’s aren’t in it.
We would of swept yall, like we did in 89′
October 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Right now the AFC wildcard is a tie with Pitt, Indy, Miami and San Diego.
Got the tiebreaker on Pitt, lose to Miami, and if we beat the Dolts, maybe them as well.
As bizarre as it may sound, a win this weekend, and we completely control our own destiny.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am
#533: Agreed DMAC…In the no-huddle Carson has more freedom to check the defense and audible.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am
“Carson is playing great while under constant pressure due to the sad play of our O-line this year…Anyone who doesn’t think so or thinks Pryor should be playing QB knows nada about football.”
I have said that over 1,000 times in here!
Not to mention revolving door at WR with all of the injuries, poor special teams play which has resulted in horrible field position.
Oh yeah by the way we hired a new GM HC OC DC hell I bet the IT guy at Raiders headquarters is a rookie.
Its time for people “IN HERE” to get off Palmer’s back and give him some credit and this article proves what I have been arguing with some dorks in here about all year.
I was right Mistic1 you are wrong this article is proof the argument is now officially over!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:11 am
The Tigers have been terrible in the field all year long and, you right, the Giants are on a mission.
I wasn’t really relating the organizations, more of how the Giants came back from a 3-0 deficit and haven’t slowed down.
I would like to see our Raiders do the same.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Tigers beat a woefully undertalented A’s team and a Yankee’s team that quit already.
Tigers = not that good
October 25th, 2012 at 11:12 am
CanuckRaider Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:09 am
#533: Agreed DMAC…In the no-huddle Carson has more freedom to check the defense and audible.
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Which is what it appears theyve been doing a lot of. He goes to the line with one look, gets the defense to show their hand, and with still 15+ seconds on the play clock he is able to then decide on a new play.
We need to expand on this no-huddle offense if you ask me. It’s keeping the D honest. If you have a QB and team smart enough to run it, you do. Defenses hate it.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:13 am
#540: Hear Hear…Only a blind fool could think CP isn’t playing great…I shudder to think how badly Campbell, Leinhart or Pryor would play behind our O-line this year.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:14 am
I am happy for Zito and Scutaro.
Didn’t I tell you Scutaro was clutch?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Carson has the ability to check the defense and audible EVERY PLAY.
And one thing I have noticed, is that we huddle up, Carson changes the play at the LOS and people start posting that we are running the “no-huddle”.
Uhhh…no.
We have been running these “Sugar” huddles as they call it, to prevent the other team from substituting too much.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Verlander beat the A’s. He struck half the batters out in his 2 starts.
Tigers got lucky and didn’t really have to play defense.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
1/3 of the season over and Coaches wanna stick to ZBS that the line cant do and DMC cant run through! But were gonna keep doing it! Wow thats just unbelievable! These guys are more stubborn than AL! We could lose this week! Not what i want
October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Agreed Riff…This is where a wily veteran QB makes all the difference…and yes, if we do get the running game going this offense will be unreal.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:16 am
#546: As Riff stated, the no-huddle gives Carson more time to check the defense and audible out if necessary.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am
“Carson is playing great while under constant pressure due to the sad play of our O-line this year…Anyone who doesn’t think so or thinks Pryor should be playing QB knows nada about football.”
I have said that over 1,000 times in here!
Not to mention revolving door at WR with all of the injuries, poor special teams play which has resulted in horrible field position.
Oh yeah by the way we hired a new GM HC OC DC hell I bet the IT guy at Raiders headquarters is a rookie.
Its time for people “IN HERE” to get off Palmer’s back and give him some credit and this article proves what I have been arguing with some dorks in here about all year.
I was right Mistic1 you are wrong this article is proof the argument is now officially over!
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100% co-signed.
But lets be honest. It took Gannon 2+ years to win over the mob. And even after that, he still got boo’s when he wasnt absolutely PERFECT.
And once Kerry Collins showed up, there were PLENTY of alleged Raider fans who couldnt wait for the guy with the big arm to supplant Gannon.
It took several years for everyone to realize just what we had, and now, we’d all love it if he’d come back out of the tunnel just one more time.
I dont expect any different for Palmer. He’s been GREAT. But this so-called fanbase wouldnt recognize a QB if he won the NFL MVP. Remember, we are trained well by Al Davis. The guy who traded the Snake. Benched Plunkett. Traded Beurlein. Gave us Schroeder. Couldnt wait for Gannon to go. Brought us Jamarcuss. Chose JC over Grads. And oh, btw, denied the Palmer trade to Hue while he was still alive.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Get healthy “false start” Barnes. Thought I would never say this, but we need you.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:18 am
I think Reggie made a mistake
October 25th, 2012 at 11:18 am
RaiderDanny Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
1/3 of the season over and Coaches wanna stick to ZBS that the line cant do and DMC cant run through! But were gonna keep doing it! Wow thats just unbelievable! These guys are more stubborn than AL! We could lose this week! Not what i want
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Not true. We’ve been slowly implementing more and more Power Running Scheme plays. Especially out of the no-huddle.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:19 am
CP3 is one tough competitor. Dude has taken a pounding this season.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:19 am
#551: Some of those fools think franchise QBs grow on trees…Laughable.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Carson has the ability to check the defense and audible EVERY PLAY.
And one thing I have noticed, is that we huddle up, Carson changes the play at the LOS and people start posting that we are running the “no-huddle”.
Uhhh…no.
We have been running these “Sugar” huddles as they call it, to prevent the other team from substituting too much.
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Agreed.
Like Canuck is saying, we got a franchise type QB, lets utilize him to his max. Run the Sugar Huddle as much as we can.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am
DA
Please make sure you give help to Smith. Use a TE or something. Queefs have a pretty good rushing LB in Houston. It could get ugly quick for CP3.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
If we lost to Jaguares who would of got fired??
October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
CanuckRaider Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:19 am
#551: Some of those fools think franchise QBs grow on trees…Laughable.
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Exactly.
Just look at all the Dallas fans that want to get rid of Tony Romo. They quickly forget how bad Quincy Carter was.
Or all the Giants fans that wanted Eli gone. Remember when they called him “She-li”…. then he won them a SuperBowl. Then they wanted him gone AGAIN last year. Only after the 2nd SB has he gotten himself some breathing room. But not for long, even 2 SBs isnt enough in New York, just ask Phil Simms.
Most fans are stupid as fvck.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
no playoffs no validation
October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
“It took several years for everyone to realize just what we had, and now, we’d all love it if he’d come back out of the tunnel just one more time.”
Yeah I agree with you good point!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Yeah buddy……All those 2 yard and negative runs…the instant pressure / pocket collaps….Reggie Bush running wild….the Blown coverages, and all the soft zone……”PALMER’S FAULT”
Raiders lose = Palmer lost us the game?
GTFOH……GET THE FU*KIN FU*K OUTTA HERE…GAWD DAMN….Some people man.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am
DA
Please make sure you give help to Smith. Use a TE or something. Queefs have a pretty good rushing LB in Houston. It could get ugly quick for CP3.
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Agreed. But we need a TE that can block first. Meyers has been absolutely HORRIBLE at blocking this year.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Some of you attribute the no-huddle’s success way too much to the play calling. No-huddle is primarily effective because it prevents the defense from making substitutions and scheming properly. You’re putting the defense back on its heels for a series of plays.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am
I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:25 am
But these “Sugar” huddles do have our guys somewhat huddling, and getting a play-called from the OC, but not a formal huddle to where the defense can substitute.
Why we didn’t run much in Denver, it is much easier to do at home and yell a play at a guy 30 feet away.
Can’t do it as much on the road, you either have to completely huddle, or completely no-huddle. No in-between that we have used, Peyton made a career of, and what you Matt Ryan using a lot of.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Raider Riff Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am
DA
Please make sure you give help to Smith. Use a TE or something. Queefs have a pretty good rushing LB in Houston. It could get ugly quick for CP3.
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Agreed. But we need a TE that can block first. Meyers has been absolutely HORRIBLE at blocking this year.
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Gordon should see some action in this one.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:26 am
559.RaiderDanny Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
If we lost to Jaguares who would of got fired??
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I’d like to think someone would have to pay for such a demoralizing, unseemly loss like that but in reality probably noone would’ve gotten the axe.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Funny how we got scheduled to play against teams two weeks in a row who are coming off bye weeks and have the extra week to prepare, and then the third week we will play a team that plays Thursday night, and has an extra three days to prepare. Is that just coincidence?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Raider E Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am
I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.
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Exactly 12 months ago I was in a Giants bar and “Giants fan” would have unanimously taken ANY QB over Eli at that moment in time.
Fans are stupid as all hell and ours are usually below most standards considering most Raider fans are also Laker fans so that should tell you right there who we are dealing with. Just sayin’.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Thanks Riff i would like to hope thats the case
October 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
RaiderDuck Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Fangsraiders Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am
http://www.prothink.tv/?p=749
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And I see our very own George Lincoln Rockwell wannabe is back. Unfortunately. ========== the TRUTH must scare you…keep your head buried in the sand.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:29 am
As much of a Palmer guy as I am, I disagree with this being a “career year” as Cork says.
He’s basically in the middle of the pack stat wise and 2-4 record doesn’t help his case of this being a “career” yr.
2005 was his best yr. I wanna say Cincy was 12-4 and Palmer had killer stats in addition to being a probowler.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:29 am
“I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.”
Yeah he is the best QB right now hands down!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Riff, you had me right up until this one: “Chose JC over Grads.”
Dude, Grads was also bad. He had heart, but he was not an NFL starter. Never saw a guy throw so many ducks.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:30 am
considering most Raider fans are also Laker fans
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Go Dubs!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Fangsraiders Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
the TRUTH must scare you…keep your head buried in the sand.
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What “Truth” could you possibly know? Go ahead and enlighten me. I could use a laugh.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Palmer needs to back up his stat line with wins. Then Raider fans will embrace him as our QB.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am
570.raiderkoolaid Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Funny how we got scheduled to play against teams two weeks in a row who are coming off bye weeks and have the extra week to prepare, and then the third week we will play a team that plays Thursday night, and has an extra three days to prepare. Is that just coincidence?
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Yeah and the Raiders travel more miles than any other team.
I think there’s too many “coincidences” involving the Raiders over the yr’s to completely discount the possibility of something goin on with all this.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Raider E Says:
I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.
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He gets clowned so much, even by his own team’s fans. But the dude wins. He’s got two rings. More than Peyton fkn Manning!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am
. Lots of baseball to be played. Your lucky the A’s aren’t in it.
We would of swept yall, like we did in 89′
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I was actually hoping the A’s fairy tale would continue so we could pay you in kind for ‘89.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am
When an offense is converting 31% of 3rd downs, is 2-4, don’t know how you can say the QB is playing exceptionally well…..or anything of that nature.
But, I blame Knapp mostly.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Go Dj wheres my Dj! Hmm may have to agree! Reggie got us on a run away bus! If it stays on the road great, if it crashes so what we’ll replace the pieces after the season anyway!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am
“Carson is playing great while under constant pressure due to the sad play of our O-line this year…Anyone who doesn’t think so or thinks Pryor should be playing QB knows nada about football.”
I have said that over 1,000 times in here!
Not to mention revolving door at WR with all of the injuries, poor special teams play which has resulted in horrible field position.
Oh yeah by the way we hired a new GM HC OC DC hell I bet the IT guy at Raiders headquarters is a rookie.
Its time for people “IN HERE” to get off Palmer’s back and give him some credit and this article proves what I have been arguing with some dorks in here about all year.
I was right Mistic1 you are wrong this article is proof the argument is now officially over!
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Exactly. And if Palmers stellar play was not enough in the last game he took his last timeout, talked Allen OUT of going for Field Goal which would have done us no good, told him he was going to get us a TD, got us the TD, and then we won the game.
You really wonder if the Raiders inability to develop any type of QB for the last 30 years hinges on the fact that some Raider Fans at times are the dumbest idiots on Earth. And if you don’t believe me, let’s go back and read the comments posted during last Sunday’s game.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
no playoffs no validation
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so using your logic if the saints don’t make the playoffs this year, Drew Brees wouldn’t be worth the same trade?
Then this would also mean since in two seasons Cam will not make the playoffs he wasn’t worth an OVERALL #1 pick?
Then this would also mean Matt Cassell would have been worth the trade since he took the Pats to the playoffs correct?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am
I wanted the Yankees. Even in 2010. Yankees v. Giants would have been a good series. Oakland can’t make it to the series, so you can dream of a sweep.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:34 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am
. Lots of baseball to be played. Your lucky the A’s aren’t in it.
We would of swept yall, like we did in 89′
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I was actually hoping the A’s fairy tale would continue so we could pay you in kind for ‘89.
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Nice to see our baby bros. compete for a title.
Still need 3 more titles to get on our level.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Eli has ice in his veins. Not another QB in the league you’d want over him in a clutch situation.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:36 am
bigsnow81 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am
I wanted the Yankees. Even in 2010. Yankees v. Giants would have been a good series. Oakland can’t make it to the series, so you can dream of a sweep.
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4 Rings buddy
Get on our level
October 25th, 2012 at 11:37 am
U give me DA, Tarver, Hue, Wiley, and Fassel were undefeated right now!!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Eli also throws deep. You don’t see him dinking and dunking around.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am
When an offense is converting 31% of 3rd downs, is 2-4, don’t know how you can say the QB is playing exceptionally well…..or anything of that nature.
But, I blame Knapp mostly.
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Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Mistic here’s another one, if it’s all about wins and losses then that means Matt Barkley>Geno Smith correct?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
RaiderDanny Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:37 am
U give me DA, Tarver, Hue, Wiley, and Fassel were undefeated right now!!
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Don’t forget Wauffle & eggs!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am
4 Rings buddy
Get on our level
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We are about to have more rings than you guys in the past 35 years.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am
the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year. That really doesnt matter a whole lot.
Does the national media agree with cork and the local media hype masters? well lets take a look, here is a very interesting article. i think it is spot on
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/65239/the-carson-palmer-dilemma
October 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:34 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am
. Lots of baseball to be played. Your lucky the A’s aren’t in it.
We would of swept yall, like we did in 89′
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I was actually hoping the A’s fairy tale would continue so we could pay you in kind for ‘89.
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Nice to see our baby bros. compete for a title.
Still need 3 more titles to get on our level.
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Lol, DMAC. Giants may very well get there. Meet us in the series some time?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am
It really was only Game 1, settle down….
October 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am
4 Rings buddy
Get on our level
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We are about to have more rings than you guys in the past 35 years.
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Easy buddy.
You guys have a ONE ring.
Thats all.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Then this would also mean Matt Cassell would have been worth the trade since he took the Pats to the playoffs correct?
Actually he took teh Pats to 11-5, but just missed the playoffs that year!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.
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Sounds like excuse making for your point of view. But, you can be as insulting as you want. That’s all you got.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:43 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:34 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am
. Lots of baseball to be played. Your lucky the A’s aren’t in it.
We would of swept yall, like we did in 89′
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I was actually hoping the A’s fairy tale would continue so we could pay you in kind for ‘89.
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Nice to see our baby bros. compete for a title.
Still need 3 more titles to get on our level.
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Lol, DMAC. Giants may very well get there. Meet us in the series some time?
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Would love to see that.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:44 am
We kinda suck!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:45 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
inonewordraider Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Mistic here’s another one, if it’s all about wins and losses then that means Matt Barkley>Geno Smith correct?
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I am discussing this article, no playoffs no validation cut and dry.
geno smith matt barkley, newton, jfk, jesus christ, kermit the frog or whom ever else you want to discuss have nothing to do with it.
what a weirdo
October 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q
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Exactly. Been saying this for awhile now. Simpleton approach to just default blame on the QB and disregard everything else. Simple fan needs someone to blame. Why not the most prominent player on the team so he can stop thinking about it and get back to his beer?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
EVERYONE DESERVES A RING EVERY 60 YEARS OR SO.EXECPT THE CUBS I GUESS.HELL,EVEN THE RED SOX FINALLY GOT A COUPLE..
October 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I want more Ausberry!!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says: This might be the first year in awhile an 8-8 makes a wildcard. 9-7 for sure.============
Didn’t the Seahags go in at 7-9?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:47 am
bigsnow81 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Palmer needs to back up his stat line with wins. Then Raider fans will embrace him as our QB.
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Actually I don’t believe that. Raider fan makes the cardinal mistake of falling in love with some players and falling in hate with others. Makes no difference what they do on the field, just the way it is. Raider fan LOVED guys like McGlockton, Jerry Porter and Darrell Russell yet hated guys like Lincoln Kennedy, Richard Seymour, Tommy kelly and Samson Satele. It boggles the mind really…
October 25th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says: This might be the first year in awhile an 8-8 makes a wildcard. 9-7 for sure.============
Didn’t the Seahags go in at 7-9?
Yup, and upset the Saints!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Jerry Porter…hmmm, the lasting impression for me was that middle finger he gave to the Black hole…I knew he was gone then…
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Raider E Says:
I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.
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Palmer playing on those Giants’ teams might have won two SBs as well.
Eli still can’t hold his brother’s jock in terms of his passing abilities.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
I want MOORE, gimme MOORE, i want MOORE! The truth is here! The truth is here!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year.
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So now we don’t value passing yards as much?
What happened, I though EVERYONE was looking up at Cam Newton for his rookie year, due to his passing yards?
You didn’t seem to value passing TD’s or W-L record when making those evaulations.
Fraud
October 25th, 2012 at 11:50 am
I dont know what matt cassel has to do with anything.
Why was palmer brought to oakland?
there is only one reason and there is no way around that reason. no other qb on any other team has anything to do with it.
Only the palmer deal, hurt our draft status, and put us over the barrell financially.
Hujack went all in and it flopped, and it continues to flop today.
excuses are for losers.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Didn’t the Seahags go in at 7-9?
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Wildcard, people, wildcard.
There is a 8-8, 7-9 division winner almost every year.
Rarely ever in the WC.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:51 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:45 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB.
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That has nothing to do with CP. Blame the play calling on that stat. We all see it with our own eyes.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:51 am
This from a Cincy fan in the comments section of Mistic’s link. BTW, the article mentions Mistic’s validation obssession, but also the feeling that Carson is a GOOD QB, like most fans on here agree.
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This has to treated differently, I’m a lifelong Bengals tortured fan – if I was him I would have “quit” sooner and told Mike Brown to shove it because all the Bengals are is a circus – sad but true because they are some of the best fans in sports …more
October 25th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Didn’t the Seahags go in at 7-9?
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Wildcard, people, wildcard.
There is a 8-8, 7-9 division winner almost every year.
Rarely ever in the WC.
True!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB, or an Elite QB.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Morilla Says:
That has nothing to do with CP. Blame the play calling on that stat. We all see it with our own eyes.
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So you’ll agree that it was Hue’s fault they only had 36% and 34% the previous two years, right?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Eli still can’t hold his brother’s jock in terms of his passing abilities.
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Eli has a better arm and deep ball. Hands down.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Carson Palmer = Average
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB, or an Elite QB.
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Yah most of those 3rd downs are like 3rd and 10 because on 1 or both first 2 downs.. Mcfadden only gains 1 yard and other play is q stupid call that goes no where.. so go figure
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am
When an offense is converting 31% of 3rd downs, is 2-4, don’t know how you can say the QB is playing exceptionally well…..or anything of that nature.
But, I blame Knapp mostly.
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Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.
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Bingo.
Seymore: 1
KK: 0
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.
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Sounds like excuse making for your point of view. But, you can be as insulting as you want. That’s all you got.
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No. If we go back through all those 3rd down conversions I will bet there will be 8-12 drops on perfectly thrown balls. Is that Palmers fault? No. Is the play calling to blame? No. Don’t take it personally. I am not being insulting I am just stating the fact. The casual fan doesn’t remember those plays, they just look at stats and rail against the coach and Q until nap time.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB, or an Elite QB.
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.03% of houses sold in the bay area by Kell doesn’t sound like a career year for a realtor.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
KNAPP! I will help u! Gimme 8 screens to DMC! 2 reverses DHB and Moore! 2 shallow crosses! 3 bombs 9routs dbl moves!! After that u can run any F-D UP PLAY U GOT!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Morilla Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:51 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:45 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB.
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That has nothing to do with CP. Blame the play calling on that stat. We all see it with our own eyes.
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I just said in Post # 583, that I mostly blame Knapp.
On the other hand, an elite QB can help on 3rd downs and the RedZone, where the Raiders are bad in both categories.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Game against the ville,
Average was below average in the first half.
Average was above average in the second half.
So the average for Average is average.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Thec Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Carson Palmer = Average
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If he is average with this Oline and offensive support, then I’ll take it .. this Oline and supporting cast will make all HOF qb’s look average .. just the truth .. quit bagging on him , we all know the guy is the only 1 that is doing something on O
October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Thec
What up dawg?!
October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
624.Raider E Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Eli still can’t hold his brother’s jock in terms of his passing abilities.
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Eli has a better arm and deep ball. Hands down.
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Jay Schroeder had a better arm and deep ball than Eli….doesn’t make him a better QB.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Can this team win a AB with Knapp and Average?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB, or an Elite QB.
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.03% of houses sold in the bay area by Kell doesn’t sound like a career year for a realtor.
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So you have to go stupid? What do you do for a living dumbass?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Can this team get to the tournament with Knapp and Average?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
“If he is average with this Oline and offensive support, then I’ll take it .. this Oline and supporting cast will make all HOF qb’s look average .. just the truth .. quit bagging on him , we all know the guy is the only 1 that is doing something on O”
I agree 100%
October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:47 am
bigsnow81 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Palmer needs to back up his stat line with wins. Then Raider fans will embrace him as our QB.
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Actually I don’t believe that. Raider fan makes the cardinal mistake of falling in love with some players and falling in hate with others. Makes no difference what they do on the field, just the way it is. Raider fan LOVED guys like McGlockton, Jerry Porter and Darrell Russell yet hated guys like Lincoln Kennedy, Richard Seymour, Tommy kelly and Samson Satele. It boggles the mind really…
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Bingo again.
I gotta run some errands. Im passing the torch to you Seymore now that you just showed up. I feel the blog is in good hands with you and JFB handing out rational thought.
For a moment there we were all having solid football talk and making progress. Now the trolls are showing up and the sh!tshow will commence. Later guys.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
mcfadden20. Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:55 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB, or an Elite QB.
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Yah most of those 3rd downs are like 3rd and 10 because on 1 or both first 2 downs.. Mcfadden only gains 1 yard and other play is q stupid call that goes no where.. so go figure
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and forgot to add that O-line he is to stand behind on those 3rd and longs .. so go figure
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Thec
What up dawg?!
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Same story… Whats good with ya?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 am
31% conversion rate on 3rd down. Ineffective in the Red Zone, doesn’t sound like a career year for a QB, or an Elite QB.
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.03% of houses sold in the bay area by Kell doesn’t sound like a career year for a realtor.
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So you have to go stupid? What do you do for a living dumbass?
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LMAO
2 fk’n funny
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year.
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So now we don’t value passing yards as much?
What happened, I though EVERYONE was looking up at Cam Newton for his rookie year, due to his passing yards?
You didn’t seem to value passing TD’s or W-L record when making those evaulations.
Fraud
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Same with you, I am discussing the above article, you counter with newton. laughable.
When a rookie sets all time records for a leauge that is over 90 years old and passes all of the greatest names in history it is a big deal.
A 10 year vet doing what has already been done before by mnay qbs, and failing to back it up with wins simply isnt that impressive. Especially when you consider that palmer is only middle of the pack, and if you look at his total body of work it is down right paltry as a raider.
this season 2-4 7 tds 7 turn overs
as a raider 6-10 2-4 in division play, 24 turn overs in 16 games, including 3 pick six’s.
Sorry but palmers yardage total this season isnt enough to validate the trade.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Raider Riff Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:47 am
bigsnow81 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Palmer needs to back up his stat line with wins. Then Raider fans will embrace him as our QB.
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Actually I don’t believe that. Raider fan makes the cardinal mistake of falling in love with some players and falling in hate with others. Makes no difference what they do on the field, just the way it is. Raider fan LOVED guys like McGlockton, Jerry Porter and Darrell Russell yet hated guys like Lincoln Kennedy, Richard Seymour, Tommy kelly and Samson Satele. It boggles the mind really…
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Bingo again.
I gotta run some errands. Im passing the torch to you Seymore now that you just showed up. I feel the blog is in good hands with you and JFB handing out rational thought.
For a moment there we were all having solid football talk and making progress. Now the trolls are showing up and the sh!tshow will commence. Later guys.
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Later
October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
These guys are giving money away…
http://www.zampromotions.com
October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Thec Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Thec
What up dawg?!
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Same story… Whats good with ya?
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Nothing much, just having a good laugh w/ Kell.
He seems pretty upset though.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.
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Sounds like excuse making for your point of view. But, you can be as insulting as you want. That’s all you got.
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No. If we go back through all those 3rd down conversions I will bet there will be 8-12 drops on perfectly thrown balls. Is that Palmers fault? No. Is the play calling to blame? No. Don’t take it personally. I am not being insulting I am just stating the fact. The casual fan doesn’t remember those plays, they just look at stats and rail against the coach and Q until nap time.
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Seymore: 2
KK: 0
October 25th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
You put Brady, Rodgers or Manning on the Raiders we would still have the same record.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year.
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So now we don’t value passing yards as much?
What happened, I though EVERYONE was looking up at Cam Newton for his rookie year, due to his passing yards?
You didn’t seem to value passing TD’s or W-L record when making those evaulations.
Fraud
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Same with you, I am discussing the above article, you counter with newton. laughable.
When a rookie sets all time records for a leauge that is over 90 years old and passes all of the greatest names in history it is a big deal.
A 10 year vet doing what has already been done before by mnay qbs, and failing to back it up with wins simply isnt that impressive. Especially when you consider that palmer is only middle of the pack, and if you look at his total body of work it is down right paltry as a raider.
this season 2-4 7 tds 7 turn overs
as a raider 6-10 2-4 in division play, 24 turn overs in 16 games, including 3 pick six’s.
Sorry but palmers yardage total this season isnt enough to validate the trade.
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So if a Qb sucks all kinda records in his rookie year then isn’t he suppose to be one of the greatest and suppose to progress in his 2nd year… wtf happened?
and on the other topic JC would be 0-6 behind the same supporting cast… just the truth
October 25th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Raider Riff Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
No. If we go back through all those 3rd down conversions I will bet there will be 8-12 drops on perfectly thrown balls. Is that Palmers fault? No. Is the play calling to blame? No. Don’t take it personally. I am not being insulting I am just stating the fact. The casual fan doesn’t remember those plays, they just look at stats and rail against the coach and Q until nap time.
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And you’re a professional fan who remembers every play? an ex GM maybe?
All the excuses you want.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Jay Schroeder had a better arm and deep ball than Eli….doesn’t make him a better QB.
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No offense, just never liked the way Peyton and the Colts choked in the playoffs over and over and over again.
For my money, I take Eli all day….
October 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Same with you, I am discussing the above article, you counter with newton. laughable.
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I didn’t counter with Cam Newton, but an example of your flawed logic that is not consistant, and double-talk that you have between white and black QB’s.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
You People can take our 2-4 record and blame JC all you want. It’s besides the point.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Raider Riff Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Bingo.
Seymore: 1
KK: 0
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lol … thats the same number of houses hes sold this year too !!!
October 25th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year.
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So now we don’t value passing yards as much?
What happened, I though EVERYONE was looking up at Cam Newton for his rookie year, due to his passing yards?
You didn’t seem to value passing TD’s or W-L record when making those evaulations.
Fraud
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Same with you, I am discussing the above article, you counter with newton. laughable.
When a rookie sets all time records for a leauge that is over 90 years old and passes all of the greatest names in history it is a big deal.
A 10 year vet doing what has already been done before by mnay qbs, and failing to back it up with wins simply isnt that impressive. Especially when you consider that palmer is only middle of the pack, and if you look at his total body of work it is down right paltry as a raider.
this season 2-4 7 tds 7 turn overs
as a raider 6-10 2-4 in division play, 24 turn overs in 16 games, including 3 pick six’s.
Sorry but palmers yardage total this season isnt enough to validate the trade.
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Only an idiot would keep on bringing last year to prove his points.. yet f8kkin never mentions his last game in week 17. the guy played one of the best games for any QB in week 17 and still lost , so lemme see why they lost? oh must be his fault again? He didn’t fire up the D?
October 25th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Raider Riff Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Bingo.
Seymore: 1
KK: 0
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lol … thats the same number of houses hes sold this year too !!!
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He sold a motor home, not a house.
lol
October 25th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
A mainstay of Knapps philosophy is to get receivers the ball short of the sticks and then it is up to them to make a play and get the first down. It rarely happens for the Raiders players.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Thec Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Thec
What up dawg?!
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Same story… Whats good with ya?
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Nothing much, just having a good laugh w/ Kell.
He seems pretty upset though.
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Kell is cool, unlike some of the idiots. Give my dude a break.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
I am curious Mistic, lets take a trip to your perfect world in which we didn’t do the trade.
Who would our QB be now?
Just gimme a name, can you do that?
October 25th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
You People can take our 2-4 record and blame JC all you want. It’s besides the point.
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Palmer is not to be blamed for the 2-4 record.. the guy is playing out of his mind with that Oline .. no running support.. you guys saw last week? NO fuking running game and no freaking pass protection.. the guy kept getting knocked to the ground every freakin play and still led us to a win , not many qb’s do that , no matter how freakin bad the other team sucks
October 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Nothing much, just having a good laugh w/ Kell.
He seems pretty upset though.
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Only bootlickers like you aren’t upset when the Raiders are losing.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Raider E Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
I am curious Mistic, lets take a trip to your perfect world in which we didn’t do the trade.
Who would our QB be now?
Just gimme a name, can you do that?
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exactly , that 17th pick would not have made the running game go , or protected the qb better, so it’s all a stupid arguement…
October 25th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
I watched the Monday night game with three Bear fans from Chicago. When Suh pancaked Cutler there were gasps. When he went to the locker room there were expletives and shouting about how there season is now phaucked because they have to play the big flop they got from my team. I just laughed an told them to enjoy what’s coming. Hahaha.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
LOL, I haven’t heard that in awhile…
Yes, I am upset about being 2-4, but I do not let sports ruin my life…
If I did, Verlander would have made me go psycho TWICE! Like that episode of Family guy where Margot Kidder goes crazy and jumps out the window…
October 25th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
To those who ask why teams can effectively key on McFadden this year, but not so well in 2010 or 2011, it’s a multitude of things: 1) the scheme, implementation of scheme and attention to detail, and play-calling were clearly better under Hue than they are under Knapp; 2) the o-line is not as good now as it was the previous two seasons, period; and 3)DMAC is less effective in the ZBS as crafted by Knapp.
Now, if you really think that because the running numbers are so poor, this means that teams aren’t respecting the play-action-pass, you are wrong. Every team so far has stopped run first, second, and third, and it leaves the TE and WRs in much better shape to make the routine plays that Palmer throws their way. Granted, CP has played well in tough situations, but he has also faltered in almost every game in critical situations that cost the team points, sometimes a large point-swing (not scoring while leading to points for the other team).
I’m not laying the 2-4 start solely at the feet of CP, I’m simply pointing out that his numeric success is a direct result of defenses picking their poison and selling out to shut down DMAC against an offensive gameplan that works against his strengths anyway.
DMAC led the league in 2010 and the first 6 games of 2011 in YPC and explosive plays — runs of 20+, 30+, and 40+ yards that flip field position and lead to points. He is not the grinder that a lot of backs are, but he is more dangerous and can flip the field and scoreboard in a blink of an eye. He has the same danger factor as a receiver, and every week you see defenses selling out to make sure he is blanketed.
I can’t tell you how many times this has led to a wide open Brandon Myers, or a WR with cleaner receiving lanes. DMAC has cleared out a lot for this offense, not to mention the consistently solid blocking to keep CP clean in the pocket.
If you are a defenisve coordinator, what is your gameplan to stop the Raiders? Load up on DMAC and make an aging, never-elite CP and a host of young/unproven WRs and TEs beat you, or what?
October 25th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Drew Breeze and his team are 2-4. That doesn’t mean Breeze isn’t a good QB.
October 25th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I don’t understand how anybody can blame Palmer for the Raiders not going to the playoffs last year. This is a team sport people. You can score as many points as you want but if you can’t stop anybody on D, then you’re still going to lose, and that’s exactly why we lost so many times last year. Our offense averaged 22.4 pts/game.
We lost to Buffalo 38-35.
We lost to Detroit 28-27.
We lost to SD 38-26.
Those are all games where our O scored enough to win, but our D just couldn’t make a stop to save their lives. If they had made a critical stop in any of those games, we go to the playoffs.
If you really think Palmer is the problem here, you are incredibly clueless. He may not be a Rodgers or Brees, but he also doesn’t have the surrounding cast of players and coaches that they do, and he is definitely better than a lot of starting QBs in this league.
As to our pathetic offense this year, the offensive personnel is mostly the same as it was last year, so to me that points towards bad coaching. I know it takes time to adjust to a new system, so it’s possible they get this thing on track, but after 11 years of losing, I am sick of being patient.
October 25th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
4000+ yards between the 20’s doesn’t help much. 7 TD’s and 4 Int’s. 7 TD’s in 6 games? I guess he should be clearing some shelf space for an MVP award. We are 24th in points per game.
October 25th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
You know Cork, without a doubt you are the only professional sportswriter on this blog. You went to college and became a journalist. In the course of your education you learned how to write an analytical paper, using FACTS as a foundation. Most of the people on this blog, are uneducated trolls who develop opinions from their heart, not from their brain. No formal education in analytical thinking. Have you ever tried to have a football conversation with a Raider fan in the coliseum? There are very few intelligent (football) fans in the stadium. When the team performs really well, they start chanting “RaaaaDeerrrs!” (it could be “duhs”, I can’t really make it out). Many people posting on this blog are simply expressing their emotional opinions. They are a lot like republicans: Living in a bubble where “facts” are merely counted as “suggestions”, being tossed in the trash if they do not fit their pre-conceived emotional position. So when bloggers, like Mistic, rant on about how incompetent CP is; and insult you for demonstrating facts that do not fit into their preconceived notions, you just have to take it with a grain of salt. I think you are right about Palmer. He may not be the best QB but I see the potential. Give him a time! After all this is a “TEAM” sport. When this offense starts clicking, (and it will!) these CP haters will scurry back into their own personal black a holes and not be heard from; or they will jump on the band wagon and join the true Raider Nation!
October 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Devilr8er Says:
October 24th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
“Validating the trade that brought him to Oakland”, Cork put down the Kool-Aid.
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What these brain surgeons dont get it is…
1. Who would’ve been taken with the draft pick we gave up? – whos going to be in the SECOND ROUND of the 2013 draft? – we wouldve finished 2011 with Kyle Boller at QB?!
2. We are 24th in points per game, blah blah – who was the last QB to get the Raiders to the Super Bowl? A veteran, Rich Gannon.The last QB before then? A supposedly washed up Jim Plunkett.
3. Ya think coaching turnover and an absolute bust, JaMarcus Russell, might be too much for even Carson Palmer to overcome? – Hell, Tom Brady wouldnt be getting wins with the rest of THIS particular team and scheme.
4. the other factor is; hey, WHY NOT IMPROVE the defense, to go along with the projected 4,000 yards Palmer will throw for?
5. we went 8-8 back-to-back following a first round bust – most teams NEVER recovered from bust QBs (most notably the Cleveland Browns, and to a certain degree, the KC Chiefs. – who we still swept even in bad years.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:49 am
the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year.
*******************************
So now we don’t value passing yards as much?
What happened, I though EVERYONE was looking up at Cam Newton for his rookie year, due to his passing yards?
You didn’t seem to value passing TD’s or W-L record when making those evaulations.
Fraud
====================
Same with you, I am discussing the above article, you counter with newton. laughable.
When a rookie sets all time records for a leauge that is over 90 years old and passes all of the greatest names in history it is a big deal.
A 10 year vet doing what has already been done before by mnay qbs, and failing to back it up with wins simply isnt that impressive. Especially when you consider that palmer is only middle of the pack, and if you look at his total body of work it is down right paltry as a raider.
this season 2-4 7 tds 7 turn overs
as a raider 6-10 2-4 in division play, 24 turn overs in 16 games, including 3 pick six’s.
Sorry but palmers yardage total this season isnt enough to validate the trade.
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Only an idiot would keep on bringing last year to prove his points.. yet f8kkin never mentions his last game in week 17. the guy played one of the best games for any QB in week 17 and still lost , so lemme see why they lost? oh must be his fault again? He didn’t fire up the D?
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Issue is the team not having the defense to get off the field on 3rd down, giving up key players who were overpriced, and having no draft picks to develop and establish depth.
They were lucky to finish how they finished 8-8, the last two years – the main thing is that they keep fighting, and stop the recent trend of not making adjustments in the 3rd quarter – they dodged a bullet again by knocking Gabbert out last week….he was on a pace to get the Jags to win handily.
October 26th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
stupid atrticle at a stupid time beating a sh1tty jags team without thier qb and mjd in overtime does not validate crap
turn the game off when it got to 14-0 offense looked like sh1t and couldnt watch anymore
funny to see the excuses people make for cp “its the that line sux”"its the wr” “its the lack of run game” or maybe the qb sux too
if cp on pace to throw for 4000yds hes not throwing to himself so wr must be catching and he must have time to throw the ball to hit that pace of 4000 yd
the line and wr are serviceable they are not the best but they should be enough