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Palmer having career-year, validating trade that brought him to Oakland

For whatever reason, Carson Palmer hasn’t been able to win over the Raiders fan base since his arrival here a year ago.
Strange, too, given Palmer bailed out the Raiders from a tough situation when then-starter Jason Campbell suffered a season-ending collarbone injury and how well he has played this season.
Palmer is on pace for 4,619 yards passing this season, which would eclipse his career-high by almost 500 yards. He passed for more than 4,000 yards twice in his eight seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals — he didn’t play his rookie season — but he hasn’t reached that mark in five seasons.
Some people feel as if then-coach Hue Jackson gave up too much to wrest Palmer from the Bengals. The deal just before the 2011 trade deadline cost the Raiders their first-round pick in this year’s draft, as well as their second-rounder in 2013.
Yet, they tend to overlook the fact that the Raiders weren’t going anywhere with Kyle Boller as the replacement for Campbell. They had to make a drastic move, and such moves come with a heavy price sometimes.
Palmer relieved Boller in the seventh game last season, a touch past halftime of a blowout loss at the Coliseum. He started the final nine games.
Therefore, Palmer has played in the equivalent of an entire season since he joined the Raiders. In those 16 games, Palmer has completed 347 of 569 passes (61 percent) for 4,485 yards, with 20 TDs and 20 interceptions.
It says here, Palmer unquestionably is the best quarterback the Raiders have had since Rich Gannon cobbled together four straight remarkable seasons from 1999-2002.
Palmer is signed through the 2016 season. He turns 33 late this season, yet he is playing as well, or better, than he did during his prime.
Coach Dennis Allen time and again makes it clear that he is firmly behind Palmer. For example, Allen praised Palmer for the way he accepted blame for the Raiders loss to the Atlanta Falcons.
“That’s the type of quarterback you want; a guy that’s going to step up and take responsibility and not look to pass the buck on anybody else,” Allen said. “Carson has played extremely well for us. He’s a stand-up guy, and that’s one of the reasons that I’m glad he’s our quarterback.”

– Wide receiver Juron Criner (hip), defensive end Matt Shaughnessy (shoulder) and safety Mike Mitchell (ankle) suffered injuries in practice today. All three were limited as a result.
Allen said he is unsure whether any of the injuries is serious enough to cause the players to miss much time.
“We’ll have to get in here with the trainers and see where we’re at,” Allen said.
Shaughnessy missed most of last season with a shoulder injury that required surgery. Allen said he doesn’t know yet whether Shaughnessy injured the same shoulder.

– The Raiders released No. 1 cornerback Stanford Routt during the offseason, sending him packing with a satchel full of guaranteed money and a thanks for six seasons’ service.
Routt landed with the Chiefs, where he is paired with Brandon Flowers as the starting cornerbacks. As to how well Routt is faring, here’s coach Romeo Crennel’s take:
“Stanford has been learning our system, and he has been coming on,” Crennel said in a conference call. “He has an interception. He had a rough outing the last time. He was in position to make plays, and we didn’t make them. The opponent made them. Otherwise, he has been working well.”
The Raiders signed veterans Ron Bartell and Shawntae Spencer to help fill the void created by Routt’s departure. Bartell suffered a shoulder injury in the first game, Spencer hurt his foot in the second game. Neither has played ever since.
Routt allowed 47.4 percent of the passes thrown his way to be completed last season. This season, that figures has spiked to 58.1 percent, according to STATS Inc. Teams completed 18 of 31 passes for 328 yards and one touchdown vs. Routt the first six games. By comparison, former Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha has allowed 16 receptions in 31 passes for 318 an two touchdowns in six games for the Eagles this season.

Safety Mike Mitchell, whose locker was next to Routt’s, enjoyed giving his former teammate a bad time from afar. Mitchell said he texts with Routt often, but not this week. Asked if he thought Palmer would target Routt and try and get some penalty yards, Mitchell said, “I wish he would. I wish we would run at him every play and throw at him every play, just so he has to work. Let’s make him work. Let’s make it hard on him, let’s not make it easy on him. I feel that’s how he would want it and it’s definitely how we want it. We want to make him compete.”

Mitchell also relayed a story told by Routt after he’d been released and signed by the rival Kansas City Chiefs.

“He told me, I’m not mad, I’m getting paid by half the AFC West,” Mitchell said. “My whole thing, I just want to make him earn his money. I want to run at him every play, I want to throw at him every play. Make him earn that money.”

– The Raiders faced the Jaguars coming off a bye week. On Sunday, they face a Chiefs team that also is fresh from a bye.
The Jaguars surprised the Raiders by installing several defensive looks during the extra time to prepare. Those changes caused the Raiders fit in terms of running the ball and protecting Palmer.
Crennel said he and his coaches spent their time focusing more on ways to get more production from a team that went 1-5 before the bye.
“I wanted to work on us and kind of get through us, improve this game,” Crennel said. “So, we worked on fundamentals and the things that we need to do to try to be better in all phases of the game.”
Allen said facing teams coming off a bye presents some challenges for the Raiders in terms of playing a team that is fresh and has had an extra week to game plan for the Raiders.
“We all understand what they’re going through because we just went through the same things a couple of weeks ago,” Allen said. “So, we know that they’re going to come out ready to play, they’ll be emotionally, physically and mentally ready to play, and we’ve got to be ready to meet that challenge.”

– In a strange coincidence, Raiders running back Darren McFadden is playing against the Chiefs in the seventh game of the season. That’s the same opponent and game number in which McFadden suffered a Lisfranc injury that sidelined him for the final nine-plus games.
McFadden rushed twice for 4 yards against the Chiefs last season in a game played at the Coliseum before he suffered his injury. He missed the rest of the season.
Also of note, McFadden suffered the first of his two turf-toe injuries his rookie season against the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium, when he was dragged down from behind by safety Bernard Pollard at the end of a long run.
Good thing the game isn’t played on Halloween this year.

– The three previous Raiders coaches went undefeated against the Chiefs at Arrowhead Stadium. Now it’s Allen’s turn to see if he can keep the streak going.
Two of Lane Kiffin’s five victories in 20 games as the Raiders head coach came against the Chiefs on the road. Tom Cable guided the Raiders to two straight victories there, as well. Hue Jackson went 1-0 at Arrowhead Stadium in his lone season as coach.

– Allen said he is impressed by the way defensive end Lamarr Houston has played. Houston was named AFC Defensive Player of the Week for his play against the Jaguars on Sunday.
“I’m extremely proud of him and the way that he’s played,” Allen said. “He’s a guy that has continued to get better, that’s really bought into the effort part playing defense. If he continues to do the things that he’s been doing, his talent will allow him to be a productive player.”
Allen said Houston is the kind of player that can play inside and outside, but he doesn’t want to limit him to one position. He views Houston as a player that can make plays from anywhere on the field and someone determined to make an impact every play.

– A couple of things wrong with the idea of going no-huddle all the time, in theory putting the game in the hands of Palmer and bypassing offensive coordiantor Greg Knapp.

First, Palmer says it won’t work. Second, Palmer said Knapp calls most of the plays in the no-huddle.

“If that’s all you’re going to come into the game with you completely limit yourself, from personnel groups, to formations, to protections, in the red zone, on third down, (when you’re) backed up,’’ Palmer said. “It’s not feasible. It’s a good change-up. It gets us out of a rut every once in awhile . . . it’s not something you can run all the time.’’

While Palmer has more latitude to change plays at the line of scrimmage in the no-huddle based on what he sees from the defense, he disputes the notion that the system turns him into a play-caller.

“A lot of times in no-huddle coach Knapp’s calling the plays,’’ Palmer said. “The majority of the time.’’

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  • Raider Riff

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am
    “Carson is playing great while under constant pressure due to the sad play of our O-line this year…Anyone who doesn’t think so or thinks Pryor should be playing QB knows nada about football.”

    I have said that over 1,000 times in here!

    Not to mention revolving door at WR with all of the injuries, poor special teams play which has resulted in horrible field position.

    Oh yeah by the way we hired a new GM HC OC DC hell I bet the IT guy at Raiders headquarters is a rookie.

    Its time for people “IN HERE” to get off Palmer’s back and give him some credit and this article proves what I have been arguing with some dorks in here about all year.

    I was right Mistic1 you are wrong this article is proof the argument is now officially over!

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    100% co-signed.

    But lets be honest. It took Gannon 2+ years to win over the mob. And even after that, he still got boo’s when he wasnt absolutely PERFECT.

    And once Kerry Collins showed up, there were PLENTY of alleged Raider fans who couldnt wait for the guy with the big arm to supplant Gannon.

    It took several years for everyone to realize just what we had, and now, we’d all love it if he’d come back out of the tunnel just one more time.

    I dont expect any different for Palmer. He’s been GREAT. But this so-called fanbase wouldnt recognize a QB if he won the NFL MVP. Remember, we are trained well by Al Davis. The guy who traded the Snake. Benched Plunkett. Traded Beurlein. Gave us Schroeder. Couldnt wait for Gannon to go. Brought us Jamarcuss. Chose JC over Grads. And oh, btw, denied the Palmer trade to Hue while he was still alive.

  • DMAC

    Get healthy “false start” Barnes. Thought I would never say this, but we need you.

  • RaiderDanny

    I think Reggie made a mistake

  • Raider Riff

    RaiderDanny Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
    1/3 of the season over and Coaches wanna stick to ZBS that the line cant do and DMC cant run through! But were gonna keep doing it! Wow thats just unbelievable! These guys are more stubborn than AL! We could lose this week! Not what i want

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    Not true. We’ve been slowly implementing more and more Power Running Scheme plays. Especially out of the no-huddle.

  • DMAC

    CP3 is one tough competitor. Dude has taken a pounding this season.

  • CanuckRaider

    #551: Some of those fools think franchise QBs grow on trees…Laughable.

  • Raider Riff

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:15 am
    Carson has the ability to check the defense and audible EVERY PLAY.

    And one thing I have noticed, is that we huddle up, Carson changes the play at the LOS and people start posting that we are running the “no-huddle”.

    Uhhh…no.

    We have been running these “Sugar” huddles as they call it, to prevent the other team from substituting too much.

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    Agreed.

    Like Canuck is saying, we got a franchise type QB, lets utilize him to his max. Run the Sugar Huddle as much as we can.

  • DMAC

    DA
    Please make sure you give help to Smith. Use a TE or something. Queefs have a pretty good rushing LB in Houston. It could get ugly quick for CP3.

  • RaiderDanny

    If we lost to Jaguares who would of got fired??

  • Raider Riff

    CanuckRaider Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:19 am
    #551: Some of those fools think franchise QBs grow on trees…Laughable.

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    Exactly.

    Just look at all the Dallas fans that want to get rid of Tony Romo. They quickly forget how bad Quincy Carter was.

    Or all the Giants fans that wanted Eli gone. Remember when they called him “She-li”…. then he won them a SuperBowl. Then they wanted him gone AGAIN last year. Only after the 2nd SB has he gotten himself some breathing room. But not for long, even 2 SBs isnt enough in New York, just ask Phil Simms.

    Most fans are stupid as fvck.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    no playoffs no validation

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “It took several years for everyone to realize just what we had, and now, we’d all love it if he’d come back out of the tunnel just one more time.”

    Yeah I agree with you good point!

  • theghostronin79

    Yeah buddy……All those 2 yard and negative runs…the instant pressure / pocket collaps….Reggie Bush running wild….the Blown coverages, and all the soft zone……”PALMER’S FAULT”

    Raiders lose = Palmer lost us the game?

    GTFOH……GET THE FU*KIN FU*K OUTTA HERE…GAWD DAMN….Some people man.

  • Raider Riff

    DMAC Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    DA
    Please make sure you give help to Smith. Use a TE or something. Queefs have a pretty good rushing LB in Houston. It could get ugly quick for CP3.

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    Agreed. But we need a TE that can block first. Meyers has been absolutely HORRIBLE at blocking this year.

  • RaidingTexas

    Some of you attribute the no-huddle’s success way too much to the play calling. No-huddle is primarily effective because it prevents the defense from making substitutions and scheming properly. You’re putting the defense back on its heels for a series of plays.

  • Raider E

    I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.

  • Just Fire Baby

    But these “Sugar” huddles do have our guys somewhat huddling, and getting a play-called from the OC, but not a formal huddle to where the defense can substitute.

    Why we didn’t run much in Denver, it is much easier to do at home and yell a play at a guy 30 feet away.

    Can’t do it as much on the road, you either have to completely huddle, or completely no-huddle. No in-between that we have used, Peyton made a career of, and what you Matt Ryan using a lot of.

  • DMAC

    Raider Riff Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am

    DMAC Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    DA
    Please make sure you give help to Smith. Use a TE or something. Queefs have a pretty good rushing LB in Houston. It could get ugly quick for CP3.

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    Agreed. But we need a TE that can block first. Meyers has been absolutely HORRIBLE at blocking this year.
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    Gordon should see some action in this one.

  • DJ Johnny

    559.RaiderDanny Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    If we lost to Jaguares who would of got fired??

    I’d like to think someone would have to pay for such a demoralizing, unseemly loss like that but in reality probably noone would’ve gotten the axe.

  • raiderkoolaid

    Funny how we got scheduled to play against teams two weeks in a row who are coming off bye weeks and have the extra week to prepare, and then the third week we will play a team that plays Thursday night, and has an extra three days to prepare. Is that just coincidence?

  • Raider Riff

    Raider E Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:24 am
    I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.

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    Exactly 12 months ago I was in a Giants bar and “Giants fan” would have unanimously taken ANY QB over Eli at that moment in time.

    Fans are stupid as all hell and ours are usually below most standards considering most Raider fans are also Laker fans so that should tell you right there who we are dealing with. Just sayin’.

  • RaiderDanny

    Thanks Riff i would like to hope thats the case

  • fangsraiders

    RaiderDuck Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 10:20 am
    Fangsraiders Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 10:09 am
    http://www.prothink.tv/?p=749

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    And I see our very own George Lincoln Rockwell wannabe is back. Unfortunately. ========== the TRUTH must scare you…keep your head buried in the sand.

  • DJ Johnny

    As much of a Palmer guy as I am, I disagree with this being a “career year” as Cork says.

    He’s basically in the middle of the pack stat wise and 2-4 record doesn’t help his case of this being a “career” yr.

    2005 was his best yr. I wanna say Cincy was 12-4 and Palmer had killer stats in addition to being a probowler.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.”

    Yeah he is the best QB right now hands down!

  • RaidingTexas

    Riff, you had me right up until this one: “Chose JC over Grads.”

    Dude, Grads was also bad. He had heart, but he was not an NFL starter. Never saw a guy throw so many ducks.

  • DMAC

    considering most Raider fans are also Laker fans
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    Go Dubs!!!

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Fangsraiders Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:27 am
    the TRUTH must scare you…keep your head buried in the sand.

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    What “Truth” could you possibly know? Go ahead and enlighten me. I could use a laugh.

  • bigsnow81

    Palmer needs to back up his stat line with wins. Then Raider fans will embrace him as our QB.

  • DJ Johnny

    570.raiderkoolaid Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:26 am
    Funny how we got scheduled to play against teams two weeks in a row who are coming off bye weeks and have the extra week to prepare, and then the third week we will play a team that plays Thursday night, and has an extra three days to prepare. Is that just coincidence?

    Yeah and the Raiders travel more miles than any other team.

    I think there’s too many “coincidences” involving the Raiders over the yr’s to completely discount the possibility of something goin on with all this.

  • RaidingTexas

    Raider E Says:

    I would take Eli over ANY other QB in the league.

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    He gets clowned so much, even by his own team’s fans. But the dude wins. He’s got two rings. More than Peyton fkn Manning!

  • The Big Banana

    . Lots of baseball to be played. Your lucky the A’s aren’t in it.
    We would of swept yall, like we did in 89′

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    I was actually hoping the A’s fairy tale would continue so we could pay you in kind for ’89.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    When an offense is converting 31% of 3rd downs, is 2-4, don’t know how you can say the QB is playing exceptionally well…..or anything of that nature.

    But, I blame Knapp mostly.

  • RaiderDanny

    Go Dj wheres my Dj! Hmm may have to agree! Reggie got us on a run away bus! If it stays on the road great, if it crashes so what we’ll replace the pieces after the season anyway!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    “Carson is playing great while under constant pressure due to the sad play of our O-line this year…Anyone who doesn’t think so or thinks Pryor should be playing QB knows nada about football.”

    I have said that over 1,000 times in here!

    Not to mention revolving door at WR with all of the injuries, poor special teams play which has resulted in horrible field position.

    Oh yeah by the way we hired a new GM HC OC DC hell I bet the IT guy at Raiders headquarters is a rookie.

    Its time for people “IN HERE” to get off Palmer’s back and give him some credit and this article proves what I have been arguing with some dorks in here about all year.

    I was right Mistic1 you are wrong this article is proof the argument is now officially over!
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    Exactly. And if Palmers stellar play was not enough in the last game he took his last timeout, talked Allen OUT of going for Field Goal which would have done us no good, told him he was going to get us a TD, got us the TD, and then we won the game.

    You really wonder if the Raiders inability to develop any type of QB for the last 30 years hinges on the fact that some Raider Fans at times are the dumbest idiots on Earth. And if you don’t believe me, let’s go back and read the comments posted during last Sunday’s game.

  • inonewordraider

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:23 am
    no playoffs no validation
    _________________
    so using your logic if the saints don’t make the playoffs this year, Drew Brees wouldn’t be worth the same trade?

    Then this would also mean since in two seasons Cam will not make the playoffs he wasn’t worth an OVERALL #1 pick?

    Then this would also mean Matt Cassell would have been worth the trade since he took the Pats to the playoffs correct?

  • bigsnow81

    I wanted the Yankees. Even in 2010. Yankees v. Giants would have been a good series. Oakland can’t make it to the series, so you can dream of a sweep.

  • DMAC

    The Big Banana Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    . Lots of baseball to be played. Your lucky the A’s aren’t in it.
    We would of swept yall, like we did in 89′

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    I was actually hoping the A’s fairy tale would continue so we could pay you in kind for ‘89.
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    Nice to see our baby bros. compete for a title.
    Still need 3 more titles to get on our level.

  • The Big Banana

    Eli has ice in his veins. Not another QB in the league you’d want over him in a clutch situation.

  • DMAC

    bigsnow81 Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:33 am

    I wanted the Yankees. Even in 2010. Yankees v. Giants would have been a good series. Oakland can’t make it to the series, so you can dream of a sweep.
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    4 Rings buddy
    Get on our level

  • RaiderDanny

    U give me DA, Tarver, Hue, Wiley, and Fassel were undefeated right now!!

  • Raider E

    Eli also throws deep. You don’t see him dinking and dunking around.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    KoolKell Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    When an offense is converting 31% of 3rd downs, is 2-4, don’t know how you can say the QB is playing exceptionally well…..or anything of that nature.

    But, I blame Knapp mostly.
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    Please don’t take this personally, but this is exactly what the dumb fan does. The team is not performing so it MUST be the Q. Or the coach. The more enlighted fan might say, jeez, he has a revolving door at receiver, or how does a veteran MLB play every down in a game and have no tackles, or every position on the Oline is new, or why is the thoroughbred running back sucking like lil biachi on his gay lover when the backup is playing better? I mean you could ask those questions, or you can just blame the Q and the head coach.

  • inonewordraider

    Mistic here’s another one, if it’s all about wins and losses then that means Matt Barkley>Geno Smith correct?

  • DMAC

    RaiderDanny Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    U give me DA, Tarver, Hue, Wiley, and Fassel were undefeated right now!!
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    Don’t forget Wauffle & eggs!

  • Just Fire Baby

    4 Rings buddy
    Get on our level

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    We are about to have more rings than you guys in the past 35 years.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    the article should have said that palmer is having a career yardage year. That really doesnt matter a whole lot.

    Does the national media agree with cork and the local media hype masters? well lets take a look, here is a very interesting article. i think it is spot on

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/65239/the-carson-palmer-dilemma

  • The Big Banana

    DMAC Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:34 am
    The Big Banana Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:32 am

    . Lots of baseball to be played. Your lucky the A’s aren’t in it.
    We would of swept yall, like we did in 89′

    ——–

    I was actually hoping the A’s fairy tale would continue so we could pay you in kind for ‘89.
    ========

    Nice to see our baby bros. compete for a title.
    Still need 3 more titles to get on our level.

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    Lol, DMAC. Giants may very well get there. Meet us in the series some time?

  • Raider E

    It really was only Game 1, settle down….

  • DMAC

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    October 25th, 2012 at 11:41 am

    4 Rings buddy
    Get on our level

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    We are about to have more rings than you guys in the past 35 years.
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    Easy buddy.
    You guys have a ONE ring.
    Thats all.