Raiders take umbrage with Hali’s ‘dirty’ remarks
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, October 25th, 2012 at 3:15 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Kansas City Chiefs outside linebacker Tamba Hali either hasn’t seen the Raiders play this season, or he simply is doing his part to stoke the fires of a rivalry game between two teams with a combined 3-9 record.
For, Hali came out of nowhere with comments about how the Raiders play dirty and he and his teammates are on high alert.
“It’s a tradition,” Hali told the Kansas City Star in advance of Sunday’s game at Arrowhead Stadium. “The Raiders, they come in, they cheapshot, they hit you.”
Hali didn’t get into specifics, just made a blanket accusation that might have carried weight last decade.
“I’m not saying names,” Hali said. “It is what it is. We’ve got to be ready to play and keep our composure, stayed poised and be able to get this win.”
Raiders fullback Marcel Reece took Hali’s comments as a compliment.
“If somebody’s talking about you, you’re doing something right,” Reece said. “You’re doing something good. We play hard. We don’t play dirty. But everybody has their right to their own opinion. Obviously divisional opponents are going to feel it a little more because it’s a rivalry. Those weeks are different. Hey, he has his right to his opinion. Like I said, if somebody says something about you, it means you’re doing something right.”
Without going over every penalty committed by the Raiders this season, none springs to mind that would validate Hali’s claim.
The Raiders set league records for penalties (163) and yards penalized (1,358) last season. However, this season the Raiders have been pretty well behaved in terms of penalties, especially the personal foul variety.
“The core guys that have been here, they understand what we’ve got going on Sunday,” Hali said. “(The Raiders) are coming in, and they’re a good team and a fast team and they play dirty. We’ve got to come out swinging.
“We’ve got to be ready for that. You can let these guys come in and if they do it and you let them do it, they’re going to enjoy themselves doing it and they’ll run over you. So you have to be prepared for that and stay with the game plan.”
Reece said Hali’s comments probably owe to the Raiders reputation as renegades over the decades.
“I love it,” Reece said. “I love it. You’re going to keep hearing it forever. It’s that mystique, I guess.”
Raiders defensive back Michael Huff tried to avoid the situation before offering a tepid response.
“I don’t think we’re dirty,” Huff said. “I just think we play physical, aggressive football, like it’s supposed to be played.”
Raiders coach Dennis Allen predictably stayed above the fray.
“He’s entitled to his opinion,” Allen said of Hali.
– If nothing else, Chiefs coach Romeo Crennel is a realist.
On Thursday, Crennel was asked by reporters why he removed a sign outside the locker room that said: “Eliminate Bad Football” and replaced it with one that reads “Play Good Football.”
“I thought that after we put that ‘bad’ football sign up, we didn’t eliminate bad football,” Crennel said, “so I thought maybe if I changed it and put up the sign that said ‘play good football,’ we might play some good football and put that in the forefront of their mind.”
Crennel is fond of displaying signs that he hopes will lead to positive thinking by his players.
After a 1-5 start, Crennel felt the need to go another direction.
“You get a feeling about a sign or about a phrase that somebody has said something or something like that, you put the sign up,” Crennel said. “It’s a buzz point to get them thinking about things. Sometimes it’s pictures, sometimes it’s signs.”
Someone then asked Crennel if he thought about putting up a sign that says, “Win the Super Bowl.”
Crennel’s response?
“We’re not ready for that yet.”
– Chiefs quarterback Brady Quinn is one of the players former Raiders coach Lane Kiffin wanted to select in the first round of the 2007 NFL draft, according to Al Davis.
Davis said Kiffin changed his mind several times along the way, with Davis ultimately overruling Kiffin and others in the process in favor of quarterback JaMarcus Russell with the No. 1 pick.
For the record, Kiffin said he wanted wide receiver Calvin Johnson, which is what I heard from several other people involved in the process.
Either way, Quinn was picked by the Browns and played his first three seasons there before being traded to the Denver Broncos for running back Peyton Hillis and a sixth-round draft pick.
Quinn didn’t play in any games for the Broncos the past two seasons. Now he is attempting to resurrect his career with the Chiefs, who suddenly aren’t sold on Matt Cassel as the long-term answer.
Coincidentally, the Raiders played the Browns in 2007 and ‘09, but Quinn didn’t play in either game. Therefore, Sunday marks the first time the Raiders will face Quinn in a game.
Quinn is one of the players the Raiders interviewed before the ‘07 draft, offensive coordinator Greg Knapp confirmed.
The top six quarterbacks in that draft class were Russell, Quinn (No. 22), Kevin Kolb (No. 36), John Beck (No. 40), Drew Stanton (No. 43) and Trent Edwards (No. 92).
“John DeFilippo, our quarterback coach, and I were with him, and John put him through a pretty rigorous interview process,” Knapp said of Quinn. “He did a fine job in the interview process. Extremely bright, understood football, based on what the coaches had told us and his interaction, he really seemed to love football. Was always around it, and wanted to do the extra stuff, before practice, after practice. And so I was very impressed with him.”
Knapp said Russell, Quinn and a third quarterback that he couldn’t recall were under consideration by the Raiders in that draft. One story from that time had the Raiders interested in Edwards in the second round.
“It was still a pretty good battle, because on tape there were three guys I believe that year that came out, there was a pretty good competition going on that you really had a chance with any of these to make it work,” Knapp said.
As it turned out, none of those quarterbacks did, or have done, much of note. Russell was released after three season and is out of the game.
– Said it numerous times during the offseason, and I’ll say it again: No team is going to run away with the AFC West this season and there’s no reason why the Raiders can’t emerge with their first division title in 10 seasons.
Need more proof? Things are so jumbled in the AFC West that the Raiders can awake Monday either tied for first place with the Denver Broncos and San Diego Chargers or tied for last place with the Chiefs.
For the former to happen, the Raiders need a win over the Chiefs and losses by the Broncos to the New Orleans Saints and the Chargers to the Browns. In that case, all three teams would be 3-4. If the Raiders lose Sunday, they drop into a last-place tie with the Chiefs at 2-5.
– Given the Raiders had 19 players on the injury report the past two days, Allen backed off a bit this week.
“We’ve got some bumps and bruises,” Allen said. “Most of those injuries are not anything that I would believe would keep us out of a lot of games. The guys are banged up a little bit. We took the pads off of them a little bit this week trying to get some of them back.”
– Allen still isn’t committed on whether he will activate linebacker Aaron Curry for Sunday’s game.
Curry is in his second week of practice after returning from the physically unable to perform list. The Raiders have a little less than two weeks left before they are forced to decide whether to activate Curry, waive him or place him on the injured-reserve list.
One thing is certain: If Curry returns, he will do so as a backup at all three positions.
“Yeah, that’s the way I would look at it,” Allen said. “He’s an experienced player, so his ability to play multiple positions would help us. Hopefully his health is going to be fine, and we’re going to be able to get him back out there.”
– Defensive end Desmond Bryant was held out of practice today because of a sore elbow. Allen said he isn’t sure yet about Bryant’s status for the Chiefs game.
“We’re hoping that he’s going to be able to practice (Friday) and then we’ll be able to make a decision after that,” Allen said. “We’ll wait and see how he does tomorrow, how he practices. That’s what our mindset is. I believe that’s what his mindset is also.”
– The fact running back Darren McFadden suffered his season-ending foot injury against the Chiefs in Game 7 last season isn’t lost on McFadden as he prepares to play the Chiefs in Game 7 this season.
The injury occurred one year, two days ago. McFadden had this to say about how much progress he has made since the Lisfranc injury to his right foot.
“Well, as far as my injury thing goes, I’m very happy with (the progress),” McFadden said. “But at this time last year, I feel like I was a lot more productive as far as yardage and things. So, that part of it, I can’t say I’m not happy about it but I would have liked for it to have been more right now.”
McFadden had 611 yards through six games last season. He has 324 at that point this season.
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October 25th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Palmer is rocking like a Swede now. If DMac stop being lazy we can win Super Bowl.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Klas is rocking the deuce!
October 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Uno, dos, tres, kick the ass!
October 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Shut the door Klas #4!
October 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Instead people want to talk about qbs on different teams.
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Lol, don’t you love how Mistic serves up a plate of propaganda where the main course consists of QBs from different teams, then when everyone realizes what’s on our plate is better and calls out his offering, he tries to deny that he set it there in the first place?
Lol at Mistic.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Johny 5 is alive!
October 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
McFadden,
1) Do you believe Carson Palmer will win a Super Bowl as a starting QB someday? It’s a yes or no question. I’m not asking you if he’s playing well, or who should get credit for winning a super bowl, 1 guy or 52. I’m asking you if you honestly, genuinely believe that Carson Palmer will ever hold that Lombardi trophy as a starting QB. It’s a simple question.
2) Can you please actually name one team that wanted Carson Palmer when we traded for him. You said that a lot of teams may have wanted him. Uh, that doesn’t quite answer the question. See, I’m hoping you could name one of those teams, by name. At least give me their uniform color.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
The top six quarterbacks in that draft class were Russell, Quinn (No. 22), Kevin Kolb (No. 36), John Beck (No. 40), Drew Stanton (No. 43) and Trent Edwards (No. 92).
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That is uglier than Kell on Malibu Rum binge.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
BTW, what does it take to get some attention in these parts? I posted and posted and posted comments, all designed for attention. Only one who gave me the time of day is the board baf=foon, McFadden20.
Is this what I’ve become? A magnet for bottom dwellers?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I guess McF20 is better than nothing.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I just wanna win the next game…only game that matters now…Palmers the best shot to do that…. Talking about championships at the point is like arguing with Oatmeal …
October 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
If palmer didnt do it with the bengals.. most likely wont do it with Raiders.. and yes the raiders have not been that far off from the bengals the last 10 years.
in 2009 palmer finished with a 83.6 rating
2010 palmer had a 82.4 rating.
He has had career years before
Was a fan of palmer . just not of the trade
October 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I did see Jason make a brief appearance the other night, when Cutler went down.
He looked poised and in control. Maybe we pulled the trigger a little early on that one. Do you think we should have kept him, McFadden?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
fingers Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I just wanna win the next game…only game that matters now…Palmers the best shot to do that…. Talking about championships at the point is like arguing with Oatmeal …
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Kool Kell argues with his oatmeal all the time. He usually loses.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Neither Palmer or Campbell were the answer, that’s what Mistic doesn’t get. And neither are Leniert and Pryor. All of these guys are part of an old Raider culture, that Reggie McKenzie is doing away with. The sooner we look to the future of the QB position, the better.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Al always felt he could develop a qb, instead of paying top money for one.
When he finally relented, he made the absolute worst deal in NFL history, the Blob from the Midwest, JR himself.
Raiders should look to the Niners on how to sign, and develop players. What can it hurt?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Are there any Rich Gannons out there? A QB that team is trying to replace. Sanchez?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
McFadden disappears, now someone’s posting under my name. Jeez. Doesn’t take Detective Friday to figure this one out.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
fingers Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I just wanna win the next game…only game that matters now…Palmers the best shot to do that…. Talking about championships at the point is like arguing with Oatmeal …
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Kool Kell argues with his oatmeal all the time. He usually loses.
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Lol!
October 25th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Sanchez?
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uhhhh…. no?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
G W L
Carson Palmers win/loss record 114 52 62 0.456
Kordell Stewart win/loss record 87 50 37 0.575
Kordell Stewart has a better win/loss record than Carson Palmer and has 2 fewer wins in only 87 games PLAYED … He also has 2 more playoff wins compared to 0 for the GREAT Carson Palmer ! If some one has more losses than WINS it makes them a FCKN LOSER OK !
October 25th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Tamba Hali sounds a bit like a whiner. As George Atkinson might say, maybe he’s just “soft.”
October 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I sure hope the Raiders play mean and dirty on Sunday. It’s a division game. Punch those b!tche$ in the mouth!
October 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
McFadden, go back to posting under McFadden, and answer my questions.
If you don’t believe Carson Palmer will ever win a Super Bowl, just say so. No need to run off and start posting under other names.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
McFadden,
1) Do you believe Carson Palmer will win a Super Bowl as a starting QB someday? It’s a yes or no question. I’m not asking you if he’s playing well, or who should get credit for winning a super bowl, 1 guy or 52. I’m asking you if you honestly, genuinely believe that Carson Palmer will ever hold that Lombardi trophy as a starting QB. It’s a simple question.
2) Can you please actually name one team that wanted Carson Palmer when we traded for him. You said that a lot of teams may have wanted him. Uh, that doesn’t quite answer the question. See, I’m hoping you could name one of those teams, by name. At least give me their uniform color.
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1. Yes he can win a superbowl here if they put the right pieces around him and the right system..
2. Why would i name any team I’m just speculating teams might have asked for him and our Offer was probably slightly better or M Brown wanted to help his old friend Hue.. but you flat out said Palmer would have been out of the league had the Raiders not traded for him .. So please tell me did you work in the Bengals management , that you can say it so convincingly that they didn’t receive any offers for him?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Raiders 27 – Chiefs 20
October 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
I take umbrage to that “dirty” remark as well. We will see them in the coliseum in a few weeks.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Time to look to the future, McFadden. Lechler is losing it. Palmer is just a bandaid. McFadden turned out like everyone said he would, a RB that falls down when a stiff breeze shows up. DHB had a couple of games that fooled some of the old fools on this board, then he quickly reverted back to disappearing. Seymour is done. Kelly only shows up for a couple of plays. And our special teams are in the bottom 3 of the league.
Now I know why Kell jumped teams.
Same reason I did.
Now, Reggie, what are you going to do about it?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
0.456
Carson Palmer Wins less than half of his games and you guys want to call him ELITE . REAL LOSER FANS in HERE ! Lets celebrate losing with great stats! Jeah
October 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
The only point that matters is which QB gives the team the best chance to win this Sunday….. That’s without question Palmer…arguing about winning championships with this tram is nonsense … Just Win…. The next game…
October 25th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
McFadden, glad you’re back to posting under your name. Gets kind of tiring sometimes, doing the whole posting under other peoples’ names thing, doesn’t it?
Anyhow,
1) You still didn’t answer the question. I didn’t ask you if Carson Palmer “can” win a Super Bowl. Heck, Curtis Painter “can” win a Super Bowl. Anything’s possible. My grandmother may crawl out of her grave and hit 3 home runs off of Verlander like the Panda did, too. But it’s not likely. The question is, do you honestly believe Carson Palmer WILL win a Super Bowl? Do you genuinely see it happening?
2) The reason I asked you to name a team that wanted Carson Palmer is because you mocked Jason Campbell for being a bench warmer. I said that Carson would be a bench warmer too if not for the Raiders, and you insisted that wasn’t true. So I asked you which teams other than us wanted Palmer. You’re yet to name one.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
“Crennel is fond of displaying signs that he hopes will lead to positive thinking by his players.”
Perhaps he should put up that old “Determination” poster with the hot ’80s chick up?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I did see Jason make a brief appearance the other night, when Cutler went down.
He looked poised and in control. Maybe we pulled the trigger a little early on that one. Do you think we should have kept him, McFadden?
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Anybody can look good in a brief stint appearance and when your team is winning with Dominant D shutting down the other team so far, the point is he sucks when he got running game to help him .. look no further than Tennessee and Whiners game.. what was his Rating in that game again? 12 LMFAO… WHile Palmer is in high 80’s with no running game and no pass blocking, with one of the worst receiving corps…
October 25th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
I take umbrage to that “dirty” remark as well. We will see them in the coliseum in a few weeks.
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We? LOL. What does “we” plan on doing?
You realize how immature and weak that comment is, Oak-glenn?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
On Thursday, Crennel was asked by reporters why he removed a sign outside the locker room that said: “Eliminate Bad Football” and replaced it with one that reads “Play Good Football.”
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Crennel should post a huge sign outside their locker room that says “We are a Bad Team.”
October 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
MR, in rsponse to rookie-behind-the-vet issue from last thread:
371.LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
They sit behind the vet because the vet has potential to win a SB. They’re making a Super Bowl run. We are not making a Super Bowl run, and any fan who thinks we are is drinking the dum dum juice.
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Uhhh, most teams that are drafting a franchise QB did so because they sucked and no shot of winning a SB and have a stop gap vet that the rookie can learn behind or they just throw the young man to the wolves.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
McFadden? I have a question I would appreciate an answer to:
How’s your Aunt’s hoots? Still perky? If so, do you have any pictures?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Peytons Brain Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
0.456
Carson Palmer Wins less than half of his games and you guys want to call him ELITE . REAL LOSER FANS in HERE ! Lets celebrate losing with great stats! Jeah
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Organizations win games and superbowls, can 1 player make a difference then the other player sure.. but no 1 player can play so good to take his stupid team to playoffs all by himself… need pretty good 53 players
October 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
That doesn’t sound like Sullivan44. That must be someone who has stolen his handle. Which troll is it that must hide behind someone else because he is a gutless pos coward?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Perhaps he should put up that old “Determination” poster with the hot ’80s chick up?
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You mean this one:
http://www.wickedmike.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Determination-Poster-1l.jpg
October 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
So who didn’t enjoy the World Series last night? The Giants just might be the best team, ever, in baseball. Hitting, fielding, smart play. What’s not to love?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Hot 80s chicks are the best! I wish Klas had time machine and go back to 80s. Times were good then.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Sullivan44 how is it that you have co opted someone’s handle on an internet blog? Makes you feel big doesn’t it? Because you are a squirmy little pos? Seriously, you are a squirmy little pos right?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I really hope we stay around .500 and just draft for depth. Any impact players should be brought in through free agency. With any luck, we’ll have enough cap room this time around.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Later stern. Idiot…. now put the league back to 28 teams so it will be compeditive again you greedy little fùck.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
That doesn’t sound like Sullivan44. That must be someone who has stolen his handle. Which troll is it that must hide behind someone else because he is a gutless pos coward?
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Oh come on, Oak-glenn? You are the biggest troll on this board, and you’ve admitted it. You and I have had exchanges where we both used no less that 5 different handles on the same exchange, and here you are calling someone a gutless pos coward for doing what you have been doing for years?
Really?
Tell us again how Oakglenn was just such a great guy.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
It’s impossible to name a team that wanted Palmer. Mike Brown’s public statements about forcing Palmer to honor his contract made it clear the price would be very high. Who knows how many teams privately considered paying it? Just because noone went public doesn’t mean that noone wanted him.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Organizations win games and superbowls, can 1 player make a difference then the other player sure.. but no 1 player can play so good to take his stupid team to playoffs all by himself… need pretty good 53 players
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But 1 player can and has taken his team to a super bowl basically all by himself and that PLAYER IS PEYTON Manning ! Look at what happen to the colts when he got hurt! They went from playoffs to 2-14 . That is what ELITE IS LOSERS !
October 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I remember when you gave up your Oakglenn handle, Oakglenn. Damn, you were actually crying, and saying you’re all done, leaving, and not coming back.
Minutes later you were back.
Mister Brown remembers all the handles you used.
You used so many, I lost track.
Put please, stop with the feigning shock that anyone would dare to do what you have been doing all along.
Everyone knows, Oakglenn.
Everyone.
Just the way it is.
In other words, you are too slow to not make it obvious.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 8:48 am
@ AIG,
hello dear friend…as u remember we used to go at it back in the day re: HueJax, Cable, etc….
i’m curious to know:
knowing what we know now, would you rather have DA and Knapp (package deal) or HueJax and a new DC of his choosing?
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Jon,
What up fellow Raider fan. Actually you and I went at it over JC is what I remember. But nevertheless, I’d take Cable and DA over Hue any day. Hue actually fooled me for a little bit after Al Died. But Hue’s players gave up on him at the end of last season and Hue threw others under the bus and even tried to back off the “Greatest Trade of All Time” as Mark’s own doing. Hue was the defacto man in charge after Al died and he could have replaced Bresh too. But Cable’s guys played hard for him even when we were out of the playoff. Hue’s guys didnt. That’s as simple as that. Hue is a cancer and our players would have tuned him out this year.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
That’s not Sullivan44. That’s a cowardly pos who has no identity. Man, sucks to be that guy or girl.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Huff on Bowe, going to be interesting.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Bunch of teams would probably have trade for Palmer if he was available. Hue Jackson only one dumb as forest troll to trade #1 and #2 for him.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Oakglenn? Did I just chase you away? Everytime I call you out for cross posting, you leave. How’s that working for you?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Wiz vs. Poe is going to be another interesting one to watch.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Vegas hates us
October 25th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
McFadden, glad you’re back to posting under your name. Gets kind of tiring sometimes, doing the whole posting under other peoples’ names thing, doesn’t it?
Anyhow,
1) You still didn’t answer the question. I didn’t ask you if Carson Palmer “can” win a Super Bowl. Heck, Curtis Painter “can” win a Super Bowl. Anything’s possible. My grandmother may crawl out of her grave and hit 3 home runs off of Verlander like the Panda did, too. But it’s not likely. The question is, do you honestly believe Carson Palmer WILL win a Super Bowl? Do you genuinely see it happening?
2) The reason I asked you to name a team that wanted Carson Palmer is because you mocked Jason Campbell for being a bench warmer. I said that Carson would be a bench warmer too if not for the Raiders, and you insisted that wasn’t true. So I asked you which teams other than us wanted Palmer. You’re yet to name one.
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STFU , you’re the only troll in here and every one knows that over here ..
1. Yes i believe C Palmer can win a championship.. Heck if T Dilfer can win 1 and Johnson can win 1 and A SMith can come 2 plays away from going in there .. Why not Palmer who’s head and shoulders above them .. but the question is can this management build a team around him , like other teams have done for their QB’s who have won SB’s
2. I stated an fact that JC is a bench warmer.. while your was just a opinion that if we had not traded for him , Palmer wouldn’t even be in the league.. how do you know that? DID you talk to all the GMs in the league? or do you think Raiders management was stupid to give 2 picks away for a bench warmer and do you think this management is stupid for paying 13 M for a bench warmer to start a game, when they can cut the loss and save money and find out what we have in other Qb’s… I think the idiot here is you.. your stupid statements make no sense… did u forget to take ur meds today?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
And not that’s not me posting as Klas. It’s just a coincidence he showed up exactly when I did. These things happen.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Looks like the troll is in complete meltdown mode. Must be lil biachi. That makes the most sense.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
I wonder if this game is going to turn out like the Chiefs / Ravens game, a battle of FGs. That would be so terrible…
October 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
yappy, yappy, yap, yap, oakglenn, yap, yappy, YAPPY, YAPPY, YAPPY, oakglenn, yap, yap,
October 25th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Klas don’t even know where Sacramento is! It is in France, maybe, no?
October 25th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Peytons Brain Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Organizations win games and superbowls, can 1 player make a difference then the other player sure.. but no 1 player can play so good to take his stupid team to playoffs all by himself… need pretty good 53 players
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But 1 player can and has taken his team to a super bowl basically all by himself and that PLAYER IS PEYTON Manning ! Look at what happen to the colts when he got hurt! They went from playoffs to 2-14 . That is what ELITE IS LOSERS !
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Yeah he’s good but like a said organizations put pieces around players to make them better.. Colts organization was smart.. He sucked in his rookie year but team put all the right pieces around him , they kept same O.co for all his career in Indy.. They gave him M Harrison and Reggie Wayne along with pretty good TE and and a good RB Edgerin james, but most of all they built a pretty Solid line for him that gave him protection year after year
October 25th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
I think DHB and Dmoore are going to lead the league in yards gained by penalty this week. It’s just the kind of record that Routt could set in his career.
October 25th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Peytons Brain Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Organizations win games and superbowls, can 1 player make a difference then the other player sure.. but no 1 player can play so good to take his stupid team to playoffs all by himself… need pretty good 53 players
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But 1 player can and has taken his team to a super bowl basically all by himself and that PLAYER IS PEYTON Manning !
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This is a very dumb post.
Signed,
Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark and Antoine Bethea
October 25th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Sulli! Are you ignoring me? My elongated toes and bunions are in need of a good rub down. Don’t be embarrassed, I’m sure you aren’t the only 30+ year old that lives in the basement on this blog.
Get up here and give me a good shove in the back like Harbaugh! NOW!
October 25th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
We can be tied in the division going into next week if we win and both Den and SD lose.. Den got a tough test against NO , Chargers got a game against Cleveland so looks like they would win their game but i think No will beat Den.. but lets hope both team lose though and we win
October 25th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Hail is obviously baiting the Raiders….looks like it worked!
October 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
I feel CP is a good QB, but not elite.
Here is my question to the other bloggers:
If we are re-building, sacrificed last season, this season, and next season to that re-building, why pay a king’s ransom for CP? And why not play TP, to find out what he has in talent and bankability for the future?
The trend is having a young and athletic QB who can run, thereby disrupting defenses and acting as a 12th man on the offense. We have that in Pryor, or maybe not.
One thing now, is that CP does us little good even though he is playing well, especially so since Big Head (Knapp) is our OC.
I am not sure myself, and that is why I ask
October 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
One benefit of having a 7-9 record or so would be that the Bengals would have a less valuable 2nd round pick. I know there are no moral victories, but…it’s something, right?
October 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
papertiger418 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
One benefit of having a 7-9 record or so would be that the Bengals would have a less valuable 2nd round pick. I know there are no moral victories, but…it’s something, right?
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Doubt that makes up for all other Raider picks being less valuable too.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RaidersOne Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
I feel CP is a good QB, but not elite.
Here is my question to the other bloggers:
If we are re-building, sacrificed last season, this season, and next season to that re-building, why pay a king’s ransom for CP? And why not play TP, to find out what he has in talent and bankability for the future?
The trend is having a young and athletic QB who can run, thereby disrupting defenses and acting as a 12th man on the offense. We have that in Pryor, or maybe not.
One thing now, is that CP does us little good even though he is playing well, especially so since Big Head (Knapp) is our OC.
I am not sure myself, and that is why I ask
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I don’t think we’re rebuilding i think we could have been pretty good with awesome running game, I don’t think any1 predicted we would be last in running so far
October 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Macfadden20:
It will be hilarious if the Chargers manage to lose to the Browns! They’re not using that Stickum stuff anymore. It’s anyone’s game!
October 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
My Mom would never post to me here to get something. We have an intercom set up. Nice try, Oakglenn. Somethings never change.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Sullivan44
Lechler is losing it. Palmer is just a bandaid. McFadden turned out like everyone said he would, a RB that falls down when a stiff breeze shows up. DHB had a couple of games that fooled some of the old fools on this board, then he quickly reverted back to disappearing. Seymour is done. Kelly only shows up for a couple of plays. And our special teams are in the bottom 3 of the league.
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Good breakdown of our current state of affairs, especially regarding DMAC and DHB.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
papertiger418 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
One benefit of having a 7-9 record or so would be that the Bengals would have a less valuable 2nd round pick. I know there are no moral victories, but…it’s something, right?
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Doubt that makes up for all other Raider picks being less valuable too.
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Look at it this way.. with the way our O is we could have been 0-6 so far with any other Qb and would have been in the running for winless season.. so even if we manage to win upto 7 or 8 games .. that still saved us the embarrassment and ridicule of becoming the 2nd winless team ever
October 25th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
I didn’t think we would be rebuilding this year, either. But then the o-line turned into a dumpster fire…
October 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
McFadden20
I don’t think we’re rebuilding i think we could have been pretty good with awesome running game, I don’t think any1 predicted we would be last in running so far
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So what are we doing and why does no one seem to know?
October 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
papertiger418 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Macfadden20:
It will be hilarious if the Chargers manage to lose to the Browns! They’re not using that Stickum stuff anymore. It’s anyone’s game!
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HAHAHHA that would def b fun to watch and with Den loss and our win .. we would all be tied in the division.. but we just have to take care of our opponents.. SD and DEN will eventually lose some games
October 25th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I’m not worried about getting less valuable draft picks if we have a 7-9 record, because that means the team managed to pull off another 5 victories in spite of Knapp. Also, Reggie can draft solid players for depth, which this team desperately needs.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
69. Some ppl like to rebuild while pretending they are compeditive and want to win now.. we need to develope and evaluate the youth of this team, but tits and the fatman are still pretending..
October 25th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Fire Knapp, no ZBS.
Use Pryor.
No 3 man rush.
That is all.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Klas would rather see 4-12 than 7-9.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RaidersOne Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
McFadden20
I don’t think we’re rebuilding i think we could have been pretty good with awesome running game, I don’t think any1 predicted we would be last in running so far
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So what are we doing and why does no one seem to know?
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I don’t know man, but i don’t think any coach goes like oh this is a rebuilding year so lets hire the worst O.Co in the league to ruin our run game.. i mean Palmer is doing fine with no support at all .. i think we would have won a extra game or two had our running game been good .. i mean we finished top 10 in rushing department last few years so why not .. don’t you think we could have had an extra win or 2 with the same running game from last 2 years
October 25th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
No way, Klas! The more victories the better, since it implies that Allen and the players on this team are learning to win games. We can get proven impact players through FA and draft for depth.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
papertiger418 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
I’m not worried about getting less valuable draft picks if we have a 7-9 record, because that means the team managed to pull off another 5 victories in spite of Knapp. Also, Reggie can draft solid players for depth, which this team desperately needs.
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That’s still 7 more wins than we could have gotten with the 17th pick in the draft this year… Palmer is worth those 2 wins..
October 25th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
papertiger418 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
No way, Klas! The more victories the better, since it implies that Allen and the players on this team are learning to win games. We can get proven impact players through FA and draft for depth.
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We are not a bad team , nobody really thought our running game would have been this bad at this point.. things didn’t work out
October 25th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
sullivans mom now? wow!
October 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
JUST WIN BABY, AT ALL COSTS EVEN IF IT COSTS US HIGH DRAFT PICK!
October 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Just because you thought something would be good doesnt mean it is… we cant run for shìt.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RaidersOne Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
I feel CP is a good QB, but not elite.
Here is my question to the other bloggers:
If we are re-building, sacrificed last season, this season, and next season to that re-building, why pay a king’s ransom for CP? And why not play TP, to find out what he has in talent and bankability for the future?
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As I wrote earlier this team is 2-2 in it’s last four and should be 3-1. And that’s against three teams that should be playoff bound this year. So this team is showing signs of life. I don’t blame the coaching staff or the org for the lst two losses because the team has to find out what it has in its players and that can only happen when real bullets are flying. Not in the preseason.
So the season at this point certainly is not lost. With regards to Pryor, the biggest mistake you can make with him is to put him in there before he is ready. I don’t think he is near ready. And Since Q is not the problem I don’t see a reason to throw Pryor out there. Lastly, even if the season begins to tank, if the team is playing somewhat well at the end, you would still leave Palmer out there to build momentum coming into next season.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I agree, Mcfadden20. We’re not a bad team, but Reggie took some risks in the secondary this offseason and the ZBS has blown up in our face. I came into this season hoping we could take the division, but I don’t think we have the talent or scheme to compete this year. I haven’t given up on the team, just shifted my expectations.
I don’t think we’re tanking on purpose. Just two big mistakes by the new administration (Knapp, Bartell & Spencer)
October 25th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Sullivan, do not portray to the blog like we have a mansion. You’re in the basement of a 1 bedroom abode, but its a long flight of stairs and my feets hurt.
Now Sullivunster!
October 25th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
yappy, yappy, yap, yap, oakglenn, yap, yappy, YAPPY, YAPPY, YAPPY, oakglenn, yap, yap, please look at me oakglenn, yappy, yap yap
October 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
papertiger418 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I agree, Mcfadden20. We’re not a bad team, but Reggie took some risks in the secondary this offseason and the ZBS has blown up in our face. I came into this season hoping we could take the division, but I don’t think we have the talent or scheme to compete this year. I haven’t given up on the team, just shifted my expectations.
I don’t think we’re tanking on purpose. Just two big mistakes by the new administration (Knapp, Bartell & Spencer)
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Bartel is good player just can’t stay healthy , on the subject of Knapp (no comment man)
October 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
With a favorable schedule left and some guys getting healthy coming back to help everyone is arguing about the QB?
Really?
October 25th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
You’re right, Seymour. The season is not lost, but I just don’t have faith in the o-line managing to get its act together in time to give us a balanced attack on offense. Unless that happens, we’re going to keep games close against opponents we should decimate, and get blown out by teams we should be keeping close with.
No offensive consistency, worn-down defense, lack of TDs.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
papertiger418 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I agree, Mcfadden20. We’re not a bad team, but Reggie took some risks in the secondary this offseason and the ZBS has blown up in our face. I came into this season hoping we could take the division, but I don’t think we have the talent or scheme to compete this year. I haven’t given up on the team, just shifted my expectations.
I don’t think we’re tanking on purpose. Just two big mistakes by the new administration (Knapp, Bartell & Spencer)
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Bartel is good player just can’t stay healthy , on the subject of Knapp (no comment man)
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ZBS isn’t that bad , most of ZBS teams are pretty good running teams, idk wtf happened here
October 25th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Mcfadden20
Bartell is a good player, but Reggie took the risk that he would be able to last the season. He was trying to keep the salary cap in check, and while I don’t blame him for taking the calculated risk, it didn’t work out. I call it a mistake because McKenzie knew it was a possibility and took the risk anyway.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Seymour Bush, you take it easy on my man boy. You wouldn’t ridicule someone with down syndrome, so keep away from my boy. You don’t even know if you’re arguing with a Raider or 49er fan. He hasn’t taken his lithium!
October 25th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
With a favorable schedule left and some guys getting healthy coming back to help everyone is arguing about the QB?
Really?
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Exactly, the team wants to get rid of the only good thing on the Offensive side.. they rather go win-less all year and get ridiculed , than hoping for the rest of the team to step up and win games… instead every blame is put on Palmer
October 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Knapp and his shìtty oline coach fùcked things up.. hes a slow teacher and a shìt playcaller.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
With a favorable schedule left and some guys getting healthy coming back to help everyone is arguing about the QB?
Really?
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Exactly, the team wants to get rid of the only good thing on the Offensive side.. they rather go win-less all year and get ridiculed , than hoping for the rest of the team to step up and win games… instead every blame is put on Palmer
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^^^^ I meant the fans want to get rid of only good thing on the O side***
October 25th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
mcfadden20.
I don’t know man, but i don’t think any coach goes like oh this is a rebuilding year so lets hire the worst O.Co in the league to ruin our run game.. i mean Palmer is doing fine with no support at all .. i think we would have won a extra game or two had our running game been good .. i mean we finished top 10 in rushing department last few years so why not .. don’t you think we could have had an extra win or 2 with the same running game from last 2 years
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With last’s years offense we should be 3-3 or best case scenario, 4-2.
However, the hiring of Big Head (Knapp) has prevented that.
Many are saying that installing a ZBS is the wave of the Raider’s future offense. Reggie and DA have implied same. And they both say they are willing to wait for the ZBS to develop and evolve, which means sacrificing this season for the future.
Obviously they are trying to get DMAC in the game but it isn’t succeeding yet. Goodson seems suited for the scheme but is playing little. Taiwan Jones should be involved but is relegated to punt returns.
The O line regressed, probably because of the new scheme. Wiz #1, resigned because he saw the writing on the wall.
If this all isn’t sacrificing for the future than want is it?? I ask this question in all honesty and good faith.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
How about that o-line coach Castillo? What blocking scheme do the Eagles run?
October 25th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Marks hair Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Knapp and his shìtty oline coach fùcked things up.. hes a slow teacher and a shìt playcaller.
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Agreed , we should not be dead last in rushing even Mcfadden doesn’t like the scheme.. this scheme is known to make undrafted players look good…
October 25th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
papertiger418 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
You’re right, Seymour. The season is not lost, but I just don’t have faith in the o-line managing to get its act together in time to give us a balanced attack on offense. Unless that happens, we’re going to keep games close against opponents we should decimate, and get blown out by teams we should be keeping close with.
No offensive consistency, worn-down defense, lack of TDs.
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Well said. As much as I hate to admit it, I agree. That’s the bad news. The good news is the org seems to realize problems pretty quickly and then goes about rectifying it.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Agreed as well. Knapp killed our offense by trying to implement a ZBS scheme with poorly-matched personnel.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/50255/raiders-penalties-soar-in-past-four-weeks
No other team in the NFL has seen their penalties go up since the return of the permanent officials than the Oakland Raiders.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
RaidersOne Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
mcfadden20.
I don’t know man, but i don’t think any coach goes like oh this is a rebuilding year so lets hire the worst O.Co in the league to ruin our run game.. i mean Palmer is doing fine with no support at all .. i think we would have won a extra game or two had our running game been good .. i mean we finished top 10 in rushing department last few years so why not .. don’t you think we could have had an extra win or 2 with the same running game from last 2 years
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
With last’s years offense we should be 3-3 or best case scenario, 4-2.
However, the hiring of Big Head (Knapp) has prevented that.
Many are saying that installing a ZBS is the wave of the Raider’s future offense. Reggie and DA have implied same. And they both say they are willing to wait for the ZBS to develop and evolve, which means sacrificing this season for the future.
Obviously they are trying to get DMAC in the game but it isn’t succeeding yet. Goodson seems suited for the scheme but is playing little. Taiwan Jones should be involved but is relegated to punt returns.
The O line regressed, probably because of the new scheme. Wiz #1, resigned because he saw the writing on the wall.
If this all isn’t sacrificing for the future than want is it?? I ask this question in all honesty and good faith.
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Not really sure what exactly is the problem i mean Carlisle is playing out of position .. Wiz should have been left at LG.. we need a new RT ,, Veldheer has regressed.. maybe it will take some time.. but i don’t the coaches thought it would take this long
October 25th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
SullivansMom44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Seymour Bush, you take it easy on my man boy. You wouldn’t ridicule someone with down syndrome, so keep away from my boy. You don’t even know if you’re arguing with a Raider or 49er fan. He hasn’t taken his lithium!
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hahaha. good one.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
It’s too late now, but we should have brought back Wiz 1.0 and put Saunders in charge of playcalling. It would have been crazy but it might have worked! Carson can handle the playbook, and we would actually have been able to score in the redzone.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
104. Exactly… they went into rebuild the second they hired knapp and changed the offense. Own the rebuild.. dont pretend this yr is about winning now.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
October 25th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/50255/raiders-penalties-soar-in-past-four-weeks
No other team in the NFL has seen their penalties go up since the return of the permanent officials than the Oakland Raiders.
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The traditionals coming back, spelled doom for the RAIDS penaties issue.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I honestly thought that DA and Reggie were convinced that Knapp could pull it off. That’s why I consider their choice to be a rookie mistake. Knapp has to be gone after this season, regardless of whether or not we keep the ZBS system.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Marks Hair Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Knapp and his shìtty oline coach fùcked things up.. hes a slow teacher and a shìt playcaller.
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Testing
October 25th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
The traditionals coming back, spelled doom for the RAIDS penaties issue.
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it sucks at the end of the day but if we find a way to win despite the penalties, with Al gone at least we have some tradition left
October 25th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
gnipp is worse than the bed and breakfast O
October 25th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Knapp said Russell, Quinn and a third quarterback that he couldn’t recall
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Really? How do you not recall a QB you interviewed?? Moron. ..
October 25th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We have changed eveything know to man, and we still are the most penalized.
I am glad they traditionals went on hiatus, proves the point this penalty stuff has ZERO to do with what is happening on the field.
Any NFL Zeb can call a penalty on every down.
Ever notice how many times we get called after a big play???
October 25th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
KoolKell,
I’m looking to rent out the basement where Sullivan spends his days and nights, arguing with himself and others. Can you help me out? I want to keep him closer to me.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
SullivansMom44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
KoolKell,
I’m looking to rent out the basement where Sullivan spends his days and nights,
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Go fk yourself, Troll.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Qeustion…Why would we “rebuild” with a proven loser in Knapp?
October 25th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Knapp said Russell, Quinn and a third quarterback that he couldn’t recall
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Consider the source…. I personally would never trust gnipp…He looks like a politician.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Mob refs
October 25th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
123. Cause knapp and da are friends.. plus da was hired so late that there wasnt many good OCs to choose from.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Thec Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We have changed eveything know to man, and we still are the most penalized.
I am glad they traditionals went on hiatus, proves the point this penalty stuff has ZERO to do with what is happening on the field.
Any NFL Zeb can call a penalty on every down.
Ever notice how many times we get called after a big play???
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We would have beaten Atl for sure if some of those bs penalties weren’t callled
October 25th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I thought you’d be able to rent a basement out faster than, let’s say an actual listing. I know you’ve been in somewhat of a rut with sales. Thanks anyways!
October 25th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
We all knew what would happen when the Traditionals came back….Mob Refs…
October 25th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
What can we conclude about the Raiders thus far this season:
1. We are caught in re-build/non-rebuild limbo.
2. CP is doing okay, considering what he has to work with, even though we paid way too much for him.
3. Reggie and DA made a material error in the hiring of Big Head (Knapp), who is slow to adapt and completely intransigent in his approach as OC and developing the ZBS, and as a result has performed insubstantially.
4. Tarver shows promise, especially in his overhaul of the D during the bye which at least made us competitive.
5. DMAC has either been ruined by the ZBS or shown his promise of performance is less than expected.
6. We are re-building but we aren’t, the result of which is failure to do either.
October 25th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I thought the refs gave us a fair shake last game. Three of our penalties were stupid offsides by the defense.
I want to see the OL step and do their job.
Critical game, which Raider team is going to take the field?
I don’t think my heart can take another game like last week.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
I thought the refs gave us a fair shake last game.
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Agree. Last game wasn’t so bad. Atlanta game is another story. Drove me nuts.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I personally would never trust gnipp…He looks like a politician.
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Looks to me like a used car salesman.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Right away the Chiefs are pandering to the refs. “please help us win–only look at those dirty Raiders.”
Typical and hopefully the refs don’t buy it hook line and sinker.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
I like the progress our D has made. We are starting to look like a solid “blue collar” unit.
I am miffed by OL. I can’t fathom how a professional coaching staff can’t fix the problem.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“The top six quarterbacks in that draft class were Russell, Quinn (No. 22), Kevin Kolb (No. 36), John Beck (No. 40), Drew Stanton (No. 43) and Trent Edwards (No. 92).”
UGH, what a horrible draft class make me puke a little just thinking about.
No way we should tank our season for a draft.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I personally would never trust gnipp…He looks like a politician.
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Looks to me like a used car salesman.
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LOL. Knapp to me looks like a sleazy out-of-work teamster.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
raidertalk Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Right away the Chiefs are pandering to the refs. “please help us win–only look at those dirty Raiders.”
Typical and hopefully the refs don’t buy it hook line and sinker.
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Are you kidding? That crew of officials probably transfers flights in Vegas on their way to KC. They can probably be spotted in the sports books hours before the game.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Knapp actually looks like my husband. Sullivans head is quite massive, especially in the forehead area. Think Frankenstein and Condoleeza Rice…or something like Mutato in the movie Mask with Cher.
Not funny.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Looks like Colin Powell doesn’t want the Neo-cons back in the WH or the DOD. God bless him.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
raidertalk Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“The top six quarterbacks in that draft class were Russell, Quinn (No. 22), Kevin Kolb (No. 36), John Beck (No. 40), Drew Stanton (No. 43) and Trent Edwards (No. 92).”
UGH, what a horrible draft class make me puke a little just thinking about.
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Man that draft did have some pretty slim QB pickings. But Joe Thomas, Calvin Johnson, Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch and Darrell Revis might have futures in the league.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
From Jason Whitlock
10. The “information bubble” is the No. 1 obstacle/hindrance for black NFL quarterbacks.
This bubble creates delusion, erodes self-awareness and unwittingly undermines a black QB’s chance of sustaining success.
Cam Newton is a victim of the information bubble. Robert Griffin III is the bubble’s next target.
Let me explain. We’re in our political season. Democrats and Republicans both have their respective information bubbles, MSNBC and FOX News, respectively. They can lock their televisions on a single channel and avoid hearing their perspectives challenged in a credible way and hear their critics’ lambasted. It’s comforting. It’s polarizing. It’s unhealthy for intellectual growth and our democracy.
Black sports fans and black pop-culture media (not sports media) have created a loosely-formed-but-influential social-media and talk-radio information bubble for black QBs. This network of groupthink roars on sports-talk radio, black-owned radio stations, Facebook and Twitter, pumping out the message that Newton, Griffin and others can do no wrong and any criticism of them is rooted in racism. Fear of backlash from this network of well-intentioned enablers causes many mainstream sports analysts (media and fans of all colors) to avoid being totally honest about black QBs.
That’s how a career-killing, information bubble is formed.
White QBs don’t have to deal with this. In Kansas City, a group of fans paid for a banner to be flown over Arrowhead Stadium that called for owner Clark Hunt to bench Matt Cassel. Kansas City’s backup quarterback is Brady Quinn, the Cleveland bust. He’s not a solution. But he was named the starter on Monday.
Imagine the uproar if Eagles fans took similar action against turnover-machine Michael Vick? There would be riots in the streets. Philly fans would be labeled racist.
Information bubbles are destructive, whether in politics or sports.
Cam Newton is being ruined. In the aftermath of Sunday’s loss to the Cowboys, Newton, once again, handled the postgame news conference horribly. He not-so-subtly criticized his coaching staff. He flippantly quipped that he wanted to bring a suggestion box into the news conference. He condescendingly called a female reporter “sweetheart.”
He sounded like a crybaby and a loser. The black information bubble immediately leaped to Cam’s defense, claiming Cam’s critique of the offensive strategy was accurate.
The accuracy of his complaints is irrelevant. A quarterback is in partnership with his head coach and offensive coordinator. Their disagreements and criticisms should be handled internally and not referenced at a news conference by the QB.
What does RG3 have to do with any of this?
Well, informational bubbles are often uninformed. Along with being insecure and defensive, they can also be overly enthusiastic out of ignorance.
RG3 is off to a very nice, promising start. But football is not basketball, a quarterback is not a small forward and RG3 is not LeBron James. You could see LeBron’s ability to dominate the NBA when he was a junior in high school. Within 10 games of his NBA career, you could tell James would own the league one day. Basketball is the 100-meter dash; the sprinter that gets out of the blocks quick has a huge advantage. Football is a marathon with multiple variables, especially for a QB.
It’s way too early to anoint RG3. The information bubble has already decided the Colts made a mistake taking Andrew Luck ahead of Griffin. That’s ridiculous. We don’t know yet. There’s not nearly enough information. RG3 has the benefit of playing for a highly experienced head coach. Luck is playing for a new coaching staff that is dealing with the loss of its brand-new head coach.
Furthermore, in reaction to fear of the black information bubble, the mainstream media seem intent on pitting RG3 vs. Newton. On Monday, rather than individually deal with Cam’s immature postgame news conference, ESPN spent the day comparing RG3’s postgame comments to Cam’s.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Why?
It wasn’t a conversation about their playing styles and ability to scramble and throw. It wasn’t a conversation about Cam and RG3 both winning the Heisman Trophy. It was a conversation about Cam’s lack of leadership as a second-year starting quarterback. RG3 has nothing to do with that. ESPN is afraid the information bubble will call ESPN racist for pointing out Cam is a poor leader so the Worldwide Leader protected itself by portraying RG3 as the ultimate leader. We don’t know if Griffin is a great leader. We won’t know until he deals with some real NFL adversity. I suspect he’ll handle adversity quite well. He might be the Ray Lewis of adversity (Ray might be the best leader in sports history). But we just don’t know yet.
Compare Cam to Jay Cutler, Vince Young, Jeff George — talented QBs who struggled with leadership — or compare Cam to his second-year QB peers, Christian Ponder and Blaine Gabbert.
But don’t drag Griffin into Cam’s problems. It’s not fair. It’s not right. It’s a consequence of the black information sports bubble.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Ya UGH no reason why we should tank our season for a draft. Never mind Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Patrick willis, Joe Thomas, Marshawn Lynch, Revis, Dwayne bowe etc some good players came out of that first round.
Ppl just forget it was Al drafting. Reggie would have chose wisely. Nobody is saying to tank for a draft.. but u dont just go giving away draft picks for above average over the hill talent that wont impact a rebuilding team one way or another.
Reggie even said he likes his draft picks. He is stuck with palmer just like the fans.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Time to scout for next week’s opponent. Klas got job working as scout for big Reggie.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
I don’t think it was the wrong approach to try to rebuild and be competitive going into the season; if the o-line were just playing at 2/3 of the level they were at last year, we’d be at 3-3 this season (I think the SD game was a fluke situation that would have occurred regardless). A lot of us considered the o-line to be somewhere close to a strength on this team going into the season. I’m sure even Allen and Reggie didn’t expect it to be this bad even with the transition to ZBS.
It all comes back to Knapp defying the odds. Who would have thought our running game would be a problem and our pass protection a liability?
October 25th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Sounds a lot like this place
October 25th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
raidertalk Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“The top six quarterbacks in that draft class were Russell, Quinn (No. 22), Kevin Kolb (No. 36), John Beck (No. 40), Drew Stanton (No. 43) and Trent Edwards (No. 92).”
UGH, what a horrible draft class make me puke a little just thinking about.
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Man that draft did have some pretty slim QB pickings. But Joe Thomas, Calvin Johnson, Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch and Darrell Revis might have futures in the league.
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True that there were some good players that year but the QBs, my god.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
When the Soviet Union went down our rulers were full of angst. “How can we continue our policy of endless war?”
Then the clever bastards hit upon the perfect solution.
A war on terror, a war that never ends, the perfect solution.
Barbarians at the gate. The Romans used the ruse too and where did it get them?
October 25th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Ya UGH no reason why we should tank our season for a draft. Never mind Calvin Johnson, Adrian Peterson, Patrick willis, Joe Thomas, Marshawn Lynch, Revis, Dwayne bowe etc some good players came out of that first round.
Ppl just forget it was Al drafting. Reggie would have chose wisely. Nobody is saying to tank for a draft.. but u dont just go giving away draft picks for above average over the hill talent that wont impact a rebuilding team one way or another.
Reggie even said he likes his draft picks. He is stuck with palmer just like the fans.
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Actually a couple of folks in here did say we should tank it for the draft. I might agree with that if we were going after an RGIII or Luck, but nobody looks that solid this year.
Some people have floated Geno Smith; sounds good with lack of INTs, but i’m not sure he worth a tank-season
October 25th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Twocents Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
When the Soviet Union went down our rulers were full of angst. “How can we continue our policy of endless war?”
Then the clever bastards hit upon the perfect solution.
A war on terror, a war that never ends, the perfect solution.
Barbarians at the gate. The Romans used the ruse too and where did it get them?
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TOGA PARTY!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Smear the Queefs!!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Where were you when the World Trade Centers came down? On the Moon?
October 25th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Damn, drilled that dude in the cocunut!!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Geno could not compete with Calvin Klein of K State. He not worth top pick.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
#96 has sweet pony tail.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I see Honey Badger was arrested.
There was an SI cover story on him and his issues. Basically he is a wannabe rapper, who takes ecstasy often, still hangs with his hoods from high school, and has been hitting the club scene since getting kicked off the LSU team.
His career, is effectively over before it really started.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Where were you when we installed the Shah in Iran? We have been fckn the middle east before you were born.
The United States government is the biggest terrorist organization in the world. Count the bombs.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Barbarians at Arrowhead!!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Twocents Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Where were you when we installed the Shah in Iran? We have been fckn the middle east before you were born.
The United States government is the biggest terrorist organization in the world. Count the bombs.
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Rock the Casba, rock the Casba! Sharif don’t like it!
October 25th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
The Big Banana Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I personally would never trust gnipp…He looks like a politician.
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Looks to me like a used car salesman.
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I’m insulted as an ex used car salesman.
Why TBB? Why?
lol
October 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Now’s probably not the time to mention my wife said I kind of look like Knapp, is it?
Same hair.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Klas don’t understand why Ponder is playing when Vikings have wave of future on bench in Webb.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Now’s probably not the time to mention my wife said I kind of look like Knapp, is it?
Same hair.
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ROTFLMFAO
October 25th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
I am sick of endless war. I want peace and prosperity for the people of North America.
But until Americans wake up and realize that it is their government that is trying to rule the world, that it is their government that is causing the problem then we deserve everything we are going to get.
October 25th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Now’s probably not the time to mention my wife said I kind of look like Knapp, is it?
Same hair.
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Bwuahahahahaha!
October 25th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Lol, O. Sorry, buddy.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Klas predicts Raiders lose to Tampa and beat the Ravens.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Wasn’t Cam also known as a cocky cry baby in college too?
October 25th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
KollKell, that was addressed to you. Please respond.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Fresno St. vs New Mexico Saturday. Should be a good one.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Raiders O-line should do thier own no huddle. lol, I wish.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Twocents Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
KollKell, that was addressed to you. Please respond.
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Go fk yourself, Troll.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Let’s go Lobo’s!!!!!
Our RB ran for 340 yards last week, even though we couldn’t complete 6 of 10 passes with no defense on the field.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Now’s probably not the time to mention my wife said I kind of look like Knapp, is it?
Same hair.
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Huge difference between you and Knapp JFB! I wanna slap the FVCK outta Knapp everytime they show him on the sideline looking clueless. I like you.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Klas, do you have a dog in this fight? I thought you were a from a foreign country, troll.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Thanks Jesus, I look a lot less confused when I am looking clueless.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says: Klas would rather see 4-12 than 7-9.
So you would be a good loser? A happy loser? What kind of loser would that make you?
October 25th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Let’s go Lobo’s!!!!!
Our RB ran for 340 yards last week, even though we couldn’t complete 6 of 10 passes with no defense on the field
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I was hoping you would respond!! My team agaist yours.
I think Carr lights up the Lobos for 300 + and Rouse runs for close to 200 yards.
Anyways good luck to you, it should be a good game.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Palmer has played in the equivalent of an entire season since he joined the Raiders. In those 16 games, Palmer has completed 347 of 569 passes (61 percent) for 4,485 yards, with 20 TDs and 20 interceptions
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an entire season, eh?
anybody else impressed with only 6 wins?
Everybody loves to blame the losses on Al Davis, but he obviously wasn’t a part of the “Carson Palmer” era
to be fair – his HC’s were Jackson & Allen. His OC’s were Saunders & Knapp
October 25th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Twocents Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
KollKell, that was addressed to you. Please respond.
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Go fk yourself, Troll.
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C’mon guy, at least know which puppet to reply with. Lol
October 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Twocents Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Klas, do you have a dog in this fight? I thought you were a from a foreign country, troll.
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I’m actually KoolKell.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Klas Tjorborn Says: Klas would rather see 4-12 than 7-9.
So you would be a good loser? A happy loser? What kind of loser would that make you?
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We were 8-8 two seasons in a row. If we go 7-9, it might as well be 4-12. At least we could a high draft pick.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
I’m kind of looking forward to how the Raiders will respond to this trash talk. Hopefully some fire on both sides of the ball.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Casey Carrier, the New Mexico version of MJD.
Short, not super-fast, just kind of pinballs around but gets lots of yards.
And we always have our version of Tebow, a freshman QB from Rio Rancho who runs the ball every snap he is in the game, yet still fools defenses somehow.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
6:20
Kell’s wife gets home bought now, and expects a hot meal waiting for her when she gets home. Here’s a hint for you, Kell. Next time if you want to pretend you made the meal, take the cole slaw out of the KFC cup.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Twocents, you have a point, but America didn’t invent War, or form Alliances, or compete for natural resources. That’s mankind.
The Shah of Iran kinard………..that was what 60yrs ago. That govt is loonggonne. Not relevant to today’s world.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
With a favorable schedule left and some guys getting healthy coming back to help everyone is arguing about the QB?
Really?=================================================
Almost no one is arguing about the QB. Many are trying to talk some sense into a very few, possibly only one. Fruitlessly, I might add.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Sullivan, sure the Giants are the best team ever. Pass your crack pipe around, please. Best team ever? The Bronx Bombers, Big Red Machine and the 72-74 A’s all would’ve pulverized the Giants, not to mention about 100 other teams I can think of off the top of my head. Think with your brain, not your heart — 49er lover.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says: ZBS isn’t that bad , most of ZBS teams are pretty good running teams, idk wtf happened here====
ZBS is a blocking scheme. Doesn’t have a lot to do with play calling. Knapp just sucks as a play caller. Keep the ZBS and let Saunders call the plays, with Palmers input, and I’m thinking we look better. In other words, it might not be the ZBS as much as it is Knapp.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
And that means Mathieu will be one of the most intriguing prospects in next year’s draft. As our own Evan Silva wrote when Mathieu was kicked off the LSU team in August, Mathieu’s ability to change games from the “joker” defensive back position in LSU’s defense was extraordinary. Mathieu forced 11 fumbles, recovered eight fumbles, intercepted four passes recorded six sacks during his two seasons with the Tigers. He was also a tremendous special teams player who returned two punts for touchdowns last year. There’s a reason this guy was a Heisman Trophy finalist.
But there’s also a reason this guy was kicked off the team at LSU, and it’s because he’s a knucklehead at best and someone with a serious drug problem that will never allow him to realize his potential at worst. If he can’t stop getting in trouble now — when he has vowed to clean up his act and said publicly he wants to prove he deserves another shot at playing for LSU — why would any NFL team believe he can stop getting in trouble when he’s a professional?
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I’d take this guy in the 3rd round.. but would never happen. This Raider d needs help / playmakers. but can he stay str8???
October 25th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Dont let vegas fool you. He found a mighty fine woman and she brings home the bacon
October 25th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
The Libertarian philosophy is simplistic black & white. Guess what? life ain’t.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Peterson has carried the ball like a fumbler all game. TB finally stripped him
October 25th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Shut up KK you dont know jack except cut/paste
October 25th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Martin would look good behind the CBS
October 25th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Kell, I noticed you are here almost every night, all night long. Does your wife repulse you that much? I mean, every night you avoid her, posting randomly on a blog. It’s not like you come here for scintillating exchanges. Most time you just ramble on, not staying on track, while avoiding most logical questions directed at you. So obviously you are escaping from something.
What’s painfully obvious to all, you’re escaping from the ogre in the next room.
Night, after night, after night.
What gives, Kell?
October 25th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Plunketthead Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Shut up KK you dont know jack except cut/paste
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Looking for someone to talk to your dumbass? Lol.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
More from whitlock good article I think he is saying Peyton is on the juice
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/cam-newton-robert-griffin-iii-michael-vick-information-bubble-hurts-black-quarterbacks-102312
6. Broncos fans are on my butt about my early-season comments that Peyton Manning was “toast.” OK, he’s not toast. I was wrong.
Manning’s arm magically got stronger. He looks great. I don’t mind being wrong. It’ll happen again. I’d love to know how and why Manning’s arm got stronger, and that’s not a sarcastic criticism. But we went from Manning’s arm being “it is what it is” to being better than what it was.
The AFC is weak. I can see Manning and the Broncos taking advantage and winning the AFC Championship. Right now I see the Texans and Broncos in the AFC title game.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Not if the Oline doesn’t know how to block in the ZBS, which I think is the main reason for our running troubles, we need a new oline coach or atleast a damn good assistant
October 25th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
KoolKell, I would say that the Shah is still relevant to Iranians. Easy for an American to tell a crippled Iranian that it is long gone.
You will have to expand on your claim that Libertarianism is simplistic. I think that the liberty movement addresses life in all its complexity.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
. Did I mention Brady Quinn won the KC starting job with a zero-TD, two-INT, 38-10 blowout loss to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers?
Think about that. Matt Cassel has a $60 million contract and he just lost his job to a guy who played like he’s overpaid at $1.5 million. During a series of face-saving interviews last week, Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli promised he didn’t dictate to Romeo Crennel or Todd Haley that Cassel had to be the starting quarterback. But Pioli has never signed a viable backup QB to challenge Cassel.
Now do you understand why there’s a fan revolt (@saveourchiefs on Twitter or saveourchiefs.com) in KC?
I’m officially a Man On Fire: hit a two-teamer with the Saints and Jets over the weekend.
Pay your mortgage this weekend with Atlanta plus 2.5 at Philly
October 25th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Bucs look like a alright team, but Vikes are helpin them out a lil
October 25th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
I have some good Persian friends here. I talk to them.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Looking for someone to talk to your dumbass? Lol.
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Yeah kell I was hoping you would teach me the fine art of leaching 101
October 25th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Atlanta plus 2.5 at Philly? Not sure I would take that bet, The Eagles are 13-0 coming off the bye
October 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Kool,
Curious your take on the Detroit News endorsing Romney, and the state of Michigan at 47/47?
Guess your buddy insulting the intelligence of everyone in the state with his “he wanted to let GM going bankrupt” is back-firing?
October 25th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
That is like saying “I have some good black friends and I talk to them.” So progressive.
They probably think you are with the CIA.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Just to make sure that was Jasons pick. I threw that in
October 25th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Reject authority, and do whatever the fk you like: Libertariasm.
7 Billion people on earth, were too connected for that fairy tale.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Kool,
Curious your take on the Detroit News endorsing Romney, and the state of Michigan at 47/47?
Guess your buddy insulting the intelligence of everyone in the state with his “he wanted to let GM going bankrupt” is back-firing?
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Keep dreaming. That’s my take.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
When authority is corrupt and fascist it should be rejected.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
185.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Casey Carrier, the New Mexico version of MJD.
Short, not super-fast, just kind of pinballs around but gets lots of yards.
And we always have our version of Tebow, a freshman QB from Rio Rancho who runs the ball every snap he is in the game, yet still fools defenses somehow.
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FSU’s RB is a little guy too, Robbie “the mouse” Rouse. Quick as heck if he gets to the secondary.
Tim DeRuyter brings a new defense that is getting better. The “Tebow” thing might not work.
October 25th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Plunk
Thanks for posting that article about the bubble, alot of that is true and with the election comin up its a good comparison he used
October 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Whats the over under on how many times they Chefs run the ball Sunday? I bet they run 40 times
October 25th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Where did this too big to fail crp originate from?
From big corps in bed with corrupt politicians.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
215.Plunketthead Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Whats the over under on how many times they Chefs run the ball Sunday? I bet they run 40 times
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Chefs have Willis and Charles? Raiders run D needs to stuff them. Raiders have done a pretty good job at that so far. Need to force Quinn to pass.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Anyone else see that fool Tomlinson pick Jamaal Charles as the best RB in the NFL on the pregame?
What a pinhead.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Realtru, youre welcome, Interesting stuff
That new camera is amazing for baseball
October 25th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Raider For Life,
Cole Gautsche is his name, our Tebow guy.
Seriously he probably has, I am guessing, 100 runs and 10 pass attempts, yet he plays QB for sparing snaps and runs that rinky-dink circus act offense.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
I am beginning to think Houston can stop the run by himself. Dude is becoming a beast, The DA has some stock to build on especially when you throw Burris/Wheeler in there
October 25th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
OK I had to look it up.
2 for 8 with a pick, LMAO, yet he is still effective as he has 52 carries at almost 8 yards a pop.
Unfortunately, as you can probably tell by his name, he has not been invited to the wave of the future.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Twocents Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Where did this too big to fail crp originate from?
From big corps in bed with corrupt politicians.
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In the GM case, to the benefit of thousands of workers and the economy.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Moochie just picked the Browns to upset the Chargers, smart guy, I also picked the Browns this week as one of my upsets
October 25th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Tax-payers are out $40 billion on GM at it’s current share price of $23.
Great buy at $38 a share, lol.
Maybe that’s why the liberal Detroit paper today endorsed The Mitt.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
A lot of the Browns losses have been by 7pts or less. I can see them upsetting the Dolts.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Raiders take umbrage with Hali’s ‘dirty’ remarks Kansas City Chiefs outside linebacker Tamba Hali either hasn’t seen the Raiders play this season, or he simply is doing his part to stoke the fires of a rivalry game between two teams with a combined 3-9 record. For, Hali came out of nowhere wi… [...]
October 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
GM: repaid $23.1 billion of the $49.5 billion it got from the U.S. Treasury, including all of its outstanding loans. But Treasury still owns 500 million shares, or 32%, of GM stock. To recoup its full investment, GM stock needs to hit $52.80 per share. It’s currently trading around $21. GM also received a $106 million matching grant to build a battery factory in Brownstown, MI, where it is assembling battery packs for the Chevrolet Volt plug-in car using cells imported from Korea.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Chrysler: repaid $9.2 billion, fulfilling its debt obligations to the U.S. and Canadian governments, and is now owned by Italian automaker Fiat (58.5%) and a health care trust for UAW retirees (41.5%). Overall, taxpayers lost $1.3 billion on the Chrysler bailout. In full recovery mode, Chrysler is currently the fastest-growing carmaker in the world.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
JFB,
I know your a Lobo’s fan so I figured I’d stir the pot a little.
I grew up around Fresno so I have no choice but to root for them. Pat Hill the former FSU HC was let go last season after 10 years or so. He is now the O-line coach for the falcons.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Ford: used its $5.9 billion loan to convert two truck plants to small-car production and to develop more fuel-efficient vehicles like the Ford Focus EV and C-Max Energi plug-in hybrid, on sale this fall. Loan repayments start in September. Ford says it will spend $14 billion over the next seven years on advanced-technology vehicles.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Martin breaking a tackle or two and housing that screen, looked exactly like the screen to McFadden that he dropped.
Elite backs catch it with one hand and effortlessly turn up field for big yards, a really good young back catches it and breaks a tackle and pinballs to the end zone.
Average backs, drop the pass.
Sorry to have to tell ya.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
But Treasury still owns 500 million shares, or 32%, of GM stock. To recoup its full investment, GM stock needs to hit $52.80 per share. It’s currently trading around $21
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There it is, currently trading in the $23’s which is funny that in this day and age of immediate news results, you can’t seem to cut and paste a recent article.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
RFL,
Are you going to watch the game this weekend?
If so, I will try to be around here, so we can be about the only 2 people on the planet who really care about it and discuss.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
JFB, I’m not going to argue with a person like you. I’ll just wait to see what Michigan says.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
They still print news PAPERS?
What a waste of resources…
Besides, Mitt’s dad ran a car company, so of course Notown endorses him..
October 25th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Tigers have no defined roles for their players, and that is killing them.
They got an ace, two bashers, and everyone else just kind of plods along.
Every single Giant has a defined, very specific role on the team.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Who’s arguing?
You posted an article that simply stated EXACTLY what I said, only I didn’t need to google it.
The smartest thing you could do would be to engage me and learn yourself something.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Infield back with the sacks packed in a 0-0 game in the bottom of the 7th??
Did Leyland smoke some grass at Golden Gate park on his way to the game??
Umm….hey thanks, Skip.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
I don’t think you could teach me much, JFB. Seriously. I’ve been there and done that.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
When did Bernie start managing the Tigers?
Somebody must’ve replaced his Marlboro’s with the loco weed.
If this keeps going, he’s gonna be lighting up heaters in the dugout…
October 25th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I could have taught you about the GM/gov’t ownership break-even point, lol.
All you had to do was ask!!!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
No wonder Jimmy boy hasn’t won as many WS as he should have.DUMB PHUCKING MOVE.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I could have taught you about the GM/gov’t ownership break-even point, lol.
All you had to do was ask!!!!!
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Last week you were telling me Greg Knapp was the greatest thing since sliced bread. I know you, I don’t put much stock in your…………”opinions”
October 25th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Last week you were telling me Greg Knapp was the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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And then he went out and put up more 2nd half points than any game last season.
Amazing!!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Hey Jim,do your team a favor,go smoke a pack.Leave the decisions to someone who gives a sh!t.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Hey Jim,do your team a favor,go smoke a pack.Leave the decisions to someone who gives a sh!t.
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LOL….
I could have seen it if it is the heart of the lineup (maybe) up, but it was the 8-hole.
And if you have watched even the slightest bit of Crawford hit, all he does is beat the ball into the ground.
Insanely bad decision.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Anyone see that block Simpson put on the TB LB?
Swear that would have been a block in the back if it was one of our guys.
Didn’t Simpson receive a couple pounds of weed in the mail last year in Cincinnati?
October 25th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Agreed,especially since his team looks as though it is sleep walking at the plate(have to give the Giants credit for that though).
October 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
And hey, let’s trot out that pitcher from last inning, who walked the bottom of the lineup.
He looked sharp, lol.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
That is something you might do at home but not on the road.STUPID,STUPID,STUPID!!!!!!!!!
October 25th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Funny how Verlander looked so Average without the “extra wide strike zone” the AL umpires gave him against the A’s…now the rest of these chumps are falling back to Earth.
Fielders dive for the foul ball registered on the Richter scale out here in Nor Cal.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
why anybody asks krapp any question but “when are you going to resign?” is beyond me…krapp is no authority on anything. Dmac is frustrated….
October 25th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I hope Tampa blows this big lead. Then they will be dejected when they come to Oakland.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
No defined roles, they are just winging it with their bullpen as they go along.
Acceptable in May, not so much in the World Series.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Dmac is frustrated….
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No more so than knowledgable fans that read the ramblings of many on here-like the comment you just submitted.
October 25th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
It’s hard to believe the Chiefs let Jared Allen go.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
its hard to believe DMAC got stuck back with Knapp and ZBS after striking it right with HUE/ WYLIE + Wiz Sr.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
He had a couple DUI’s in KC, and I guess they didn’t feel he was worth the risk.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Darren ran for a helluva lot more yards with Cable and Michalczik than he did with Hue and Wylie.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
McFadden never looked better, than he did in 2010 running behind O-line coach Jim Michalczik’s ZBS system.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
I don’t see Palmers comments about taking the blame for the Falcons game as being a stand up guy, I see it as blatant racism.
He’s as racist as Al was.
Instead of giving credit to Asante Samuel for the interception (yeah it WAS Palmers fault but stay with me if you have the mental capacity) Palmer puts it on himself.
What’s wrong Palmer. Too hard to admit a black man made a good play?
Palmer’s no better than Romney or Al.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
I don’t think you could teach me much, JFB. Seriously. I’ve been there and done that.
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Been there? Done that? You lying fat pudge. You never leave the house. The only time you go anywhere is when your ogre has you on a leash. You have no hobbies. You don’t go out. You have no friends. All you have is a blog. Think about that. Your whole life revolves around a blog where you routinely get slapped around like a child.
What JFB schooled you on is you don’t ever have original thoughts. Everything you comment on is someone else’s thoughts. Something you cut and paste. When challenged to back up the words, YOU NEVER DO. EVER. BECAUSE THEY AREN’T YOUR WORDS.
When you go shopping tomorrow, for the wife’s dinner, remember these words. WHILE YOUR WIFE IS WORKING, YOU ARE DOING THE SHOPPING, AND THE LAUNDRY.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
last year DMAC was realy explosive… hit the hole hard not cutbacks n go. Reason he was leading rusher till injury
October 25th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
jfb is delusional…
October 25th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
He looked good last year no doubt, but 2010 was his best year, and 2010 we were a ZBS team.
Remember Hue saying in 2011 he wanted to go back to more power-blocking? That’s because in 2010 we were a ZBS team (not exclusive like this year so far though, Cable is one of the best ZBS instructors, Knapp not so much).
October 25th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
I hate political talk on THIS BLOG,but it happens.I just find it amazing that 4 years ago our country and the world were on the brink of financial ruin and today many want to return to the same policies that got us into that mess.(Celebration Ale is now out!)
October 25th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
#262
Thats the MR we have learned to ignore over the years
Tell us some more about the trolls here.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
In 2010 we had a ZBS coach, a ZBS O-line coach who had been there for 2 years, and a ZBS assistant O-line coach, and an OC who when he became coach in 2011, mentioned repeatedly he was switching to a power-block scheme.
What was he switching from? A ZBS system.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Lefty12 post #267, amazing, isn’t it? I don’t get it either.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
1st paragraph ladies.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/24095/o-line-scheming-in-the-afc-west
October 25th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says: What’s wrong Palmer. Too hard to admit a black man made a good play?=========================
I’m with Palmer. Don’t think I’ve ever seen a black man make a good play in the NFL. Or college ball for that matter.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
So can we end this nonsense about 2010?
Yes, Hue ADDED some power-blocking plays. But what did he add it to?
A ZBS blocking system, a system we ran a majority of the time.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Nice job Vegas too bad it will fall on mostly deaf ears
October 25th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
1st paragraph ladies.
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Actually, the fourth paragraph is more intriguing:
“The zone-blocking scheme depends on athletic, smaller linemen who can move together. When used correctly, it opens up the running game and works well with a downhill runner.”
Uhhh, isn’t DMac a downhill runner?
October 25th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
My ears aren’t. Posted earlier that it’s not so much the ZBS as it is Knapps play calling.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Uhhh, isn’t DMac a downhill runner?
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He can be, and was very effective in 2010, in a ZBS system, as that article mentioned.
I’m sure plenty of people hate on him, but Bill Williamson is the authority for the AFC West, and probably is the highest paid writer covering the division.
I will take his word over just about anyone’s.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
In 2010 we had a ZBS coach, a ZBS O-line coach who had been there for 2 years, and a ZBS assistant O-line coach, and an OC who when he became coach in 2011, mentioned repeatedly he was switching to a power-block scheme.
What was he switching from? A ZBS system.
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In 2010, they hired Hue Jackson to take over Offensive Cooridnator and take away the offensive decision. In 2010 he switched away from zone blocking.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
He can be, and was very effective in 2010, in a ZBS system, as that article mentioned.
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Oh, ok. I got you now. I wasn’t sure what your angle was, but I think we both agree. Like he says about 2010:
“Williamson said doesn’t think Oakland should switch because it was effective using the zone-blocking scheme. Oakland had the No. 2 ranked run offense in the NFL last season.”
The problem – as I’ve said all along – is execution. I don’t know if that means the current OL needs to be switched out, but these guys better get it together soon or be gone.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Yeah, the issue isn’t so much the ZBS scheme as it is the coaching and implementation of the scheme. I know the players bear some responsibility for the lack of execution but it seems like the coaches aren’t effectively communicating their plan.
It’s not like Satele was the key to the o-line; with better coaches this would have been a non issue.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Vikings are going from 5-2 to 5-6 in the next 5 weeks.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
He can be, and was very effective in 2010, in a ZBS system, as that article mentioned.
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Oh, ok. I got you now. I wasn’t sure what your angle was, but I think we both agree. Like he says about 2010:
“Williamson said doesn’t think Oakland should switch because it was effective using the zone-blocking scheme. Oakland had the No. 2 ranked run offense in the NFL last season.”
The problem – as I’ve said all along – is execution. I don’t know if that means the current OL needs to be switched out, but these guys better get it together soon or be gone.
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Here’s my take on things – with the same personnel (more healthy now), they are looking a hellova lot worse along the o-line both on run blocking and pass blocking. Why not move back to what worked? Obviously they knew the earlier schemes etc.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
And why did Big Wiz leave? To spend time with his family? He’s got family on the line. I bet he saw what a mess this would turn out to be and cut loose when he realized he couldn’t do anything about it. It’s not like he’d leave his nephew or any of te other o-line guys hanging.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
There are no reasons we lose to the Chefs with Quinn at QB! Stop Charles and contain Bowe damm it!!
October 25th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Tampa game is looking much harder now.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
quit it already dmac is not a zbs back… just watch last years games…no matter how much you wish it….
October 25th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Raiderzmaverick Says:
Why not move back to what worked?
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I’ve said it before and will say it again: I think it’s a lack in confidence of Dmac’s ability to stay healthy. If you’re able to get the ZBS successfully implemented, you can plug and play your running backs.
If you build your entire offense around a power blocking scheme with one of those once-every-five-year backs like DMac, you’re sunk if that RB goes down. Look what happened after he went down YET AGAIN last season.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
The oline personell is not the same as last year.Would you guys quit saying that.Also,only 1 person is in the same position as last year.The Oline is a work in progress.
October 25th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I don’t think I’ll ever be confident in Dmac’s durability. Our transition to the ZBS has more to do with determining value at RB. They want to get to the point where they can field a committee of no-names, which ultimately would allow them to focus cap space elsewhere. Not a bad idea, but they need the staff to competently install the system.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Interesting thought, Raiding Texas. #587.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
#287
October 25th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
OMG, did you guys watch that Tampa game tonight?? Jesus those guys are going to kick the Sh!t out of us down there…yikes.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
My Giants did it again. Kicked Detroits azz. Another star for the teams on the west side of the bay. Hey, don’t be haters. Leave that to my bich, Kell.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Veldheer looked like a coming All-Pro last yr.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Wonder where anyone would get the idea the Raiders play dirty.
“Pillaging just for fun
He’ll knock you ’round and upside down
And laugh when he’s conquered and won.”
October 25th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Shouldn’t McFadden have more than 1 breakaway run per season if he’s to justify being a number one pick?
October 25th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Kell, you know that’s not me insulting you.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Hue Jax traded a 1 n 2 so that Palmer can beat teams like Tampa
October 25th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
What a bunch of crap. Tampa gets plenty of rest before their next game.
KC comin off their bye. Just got done barely beating a team off the bye.
Had to play the best team in the league comin off ours ( league knows we’re 0-6) and they go into the bye.
Giving all the other teams easy schedules and us the most fckn travel miles. More than sheattle or miama.
Can you say conspiracy? Now can you? If you can’t, go figure it out. Specially the haters.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Wonder where anyone would get the idea the Raiders play dirty.
“Pillaging just for fun
He’ll knock you ’round and upside down
And laugh when he’s conquered and won.”
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Yes. A few lines from a fictional poem written over 3o yrs. ago is proof postive the Raiders are a dirty team.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
We have a QB that a coach traded two draft picks for and a RB drafted in the 1st round. We really have no excuse.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
We will beat the ass off of KC and kick the Bucs in their nut sack in spite of the leagues attempts to stifle the Raiders. Figure it out. Haters.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Yeah, Steve, through the years the Raiders have done nothing to promote an image of dirty play, other than basically their entire image…
October 25th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
A fictional poem. lol. Thanks for clearing that up.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
If palmer didnt do it with the bengals.. most likely wont do it with Raiders.. and yes the raiders have not been that far off from the bengals the last 10 years.
in 2009 palmer finished with a 83.6 rating
2010 palmer had a 82.4 rating.
He has had career years before
Was a fan of palmer . just not of the trade
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Isnt the basis of the question – What other players couldve been added to help the overall team? And how could we have done it without draft picks because we were so tied up with previous questionable free agents and draft picks.
A revolving door of coaches hasnt helped, either.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Yeah, Steve, through the years the Raiders have done nothing to promote an image of dirty play, other than basically their entire image…
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I think thats a lot of hype brought over from previous years, and questionable off field issues involving former Raiders – notably Barret Robbins, Anthony Smith.
Ravens have a would-be murderer ILB, that will be one of the greatest players to have ever played- WINNING CURES ALL “image” issues.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Viagarra Conasewer Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
We will beat the ass off of KC and kick the Bucs in their nut sack in spite of the leagues attempts to stifle the Raiders. Figure it out. Haters.
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Not if they dont contain Doug Martin. Dude ran through , over and around Minnesota.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
A would be murderer. lol.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
We’re going to lose the next 2, at the hands of Palmer.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
But you guys will blame the offense, even though Carson throws picks right to defenders.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Now’s probably not the time to mention my wife said I kind of look like Knapp, is it?
Same hair.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
October 25th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
SPLOOGE PMPP BRAHS, GOOBS AND NERDS
Just got done sploogin with my posse. Sweet dreams are made of these, word.
Now you know it’s time for the Splooge Dawg to go drop a Super Lawg. Hope I don’t bust the toilet with a rock hard turd while I bust that nut. Holla.
PMPP SPLOOGE WHUT WHUT
October 25th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Who blamed Knapp for that underhanded pass Palmer threw right into hands of a Jax defender? One of you did. I can’t remember who.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
We’re going to lose the next 2, at the hands of Palmer.
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Same thing said v. Pittsburgh
FAIL
October 25th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
But you guys will blame the offense, even though Carson throws picks right to defenders.
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Whats cooler is Alex Smith beginning to disintegrate. You knew it was coming, sooner r later. Palmer throws picks AND touchdowns. Smith even got like, THREE new receivers, and his safety valve is still Vernon Davis.
But i digress, QB gets the credit when it goes good, blame when it goes BAD…never mind the fact he was running for his life v. Jacksonville and Denver and Pittsburgh.
October 25th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
We’re going to lose the next 2, at the hands of Palmer.
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You mean at the hands of the OC. He’s the one that calls the ill timed impossible to execute plays, especially in the wrong situations at the wrong time. We’ll win if we fall behind and can’t score cuz the play calling is hot garbage then Palmer has to use the no huddle and we’ll find a way to win.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Raidertalk Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
raidertalk Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
“The top six quarterbacks in that draft class were Russell, Quinn (No. 22), Kevin Kolb (No. 36), John Beck (No. 40), Drew Stanton (No. 43) and Trent Edwards (No. 92).”
UGH, what a horrible draft class make me puke a little just thinking about.
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Man that draft did have some pretty slim QB pickings. But Joe Thomas, Calvin Johnson, Patrick Willis, Marshawn Lynch and Darrell Revis might have futures in the league.
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True that there were some good players that year but the QBs, my god.
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Right idea, but at the wrong draft – will lightning strike twice if we finish with a top 7 pick – and risk it on Barkley, Geno Smith, or Tyler Wilson?
October 25th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Sam, Palmer had a good game against Pittburgh. Campbell had good games too.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
lol. Still think I’m a niner fan. Go ahead, bash away at Alex Smith. You’re way off, buddy. Notice how I never get offended or defend Smith or the Niners in any way. Maybe one day you’ll get it.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Crawbevy, do you think any organization in the NFL is going to blame an offensive coordinator for a veteran retread QB tossing an underhanded pass right to a defender before blaming the QB himself?
October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
officially, unofficially failure….more than one quarterback away
-Mark Kriegel, NFL Network
http://www.nfl.com/videos/oakland-raiders/0ap1000000081175/The-Carson-Palmer-experiment
October 25th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Sam, Palmer had a good game against Pittburgh. Campbell had good games too.
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Second guessing does nothing about the current situation or the future – and Raiders WERE GOING NOWHERE WITH CAMPBELL.
Its really the culmination of picks not received for Seymour, Curry, Palmer and too much money – too much is made about Palmer – wtf did the draft do for the Raiders since Charles Woodson and Nnamdi Asomugha – ZERO pro bowlers from the other first rounders we got from 2004-2008
I will say that in retrospect it wouldve been much worse in 2011 – the only QB the Raiders couldve gotten was Andy Dalton
Did you really think he wouldve been on Al Davis’ radar?
October 25th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
lol. Still think I’m a niner fan. Go ahead, bash away at Alex Smith. You’re way off, buddy. Notice how I never get offended or defend Smith or the Niners in any way. Maybe one day you’ll get it.
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Raider fan is usually by definition a Niner hater, but you have to respect what their organization has accomplished.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Who blamed Knapp for that underhanded pass Palmer threw right into hands of a Jax defender? One of you did. I can’t remember who.
>>>>>
The “IQ Vacuum” is in the house.
I out…
October 25th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
RRRAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDDDERRRRRRRSSSS!!!!
Another win on Sunday!
October 25th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Shouldn’t McFadden have more than 1 breakaway run per season if he’s to justify being a number one pick?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
That’s 2 breakaway runs. Even Goodson had one this season.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
RaiderSam Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
officially, unofficially failure….more than one quarterback away
-Mark Kriegel, NFL Network
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I like how the clip they show is Palmer getting sacked by Pittsburgh, even though Palmer had a great second half IN THAT SAME GAME and was instrumental in the win; but the ONE clip they show is him getting sacked.
That’s fair.
The thing is the media paints the QB as the face of the team no matter what. Just observe how the analysis goes. It’s ALWAYS about the QB no matter what other factors play into it.
Bears? Defense very good? Yeah, that’ll get some play but the main factor is Cutler.
If Chi. wins? Cutler. If Chi. loses? Cutler.
Dallas wins? Romo. Dallas loses? Romo.
Eli? same thing.
Raiders are no different. I get it. I don’t agree with it, but I get that’s the way it’s going to be presented by the hacks who don’t wanna spend the time or effort to look any deeper than “Who’s the QB”?
October 25th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Jacques Doucet @JacquesDoucet
Huge breaking news – Former #LSU Tigers Jordan Jefferson, Tyrann Mathieu, Derrick Bryant + Karnell Hatcher all arrested on drug charges.
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October 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
With the QB being the “face of the team” Palmer is gonna continue to get lambasted if and until the team wins with him at the helm. It’s that simple.
Thing is he knows this; he’s said as much many times. He accepts this as the stand up guy he is.
Imo he’s a “good guy” period, but in this league winning is everything.
The general opinion is he was brought in to lead us to the playoffs, and even though the defense choked it away, and even though he had 417 yds. and 2 td’s, it wasn’t enough to overcome our pathetic defense and so…he gets the blame.
The QB gets way too much credit sometimes when a team wins and all the blame when they don’t. It’s the nature of the beast in terms of media and public opinion in the NFL.
We’re 2-4, so in this league the QB is gonna take the fall.
October 25th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Raiders could run the table into the playoffs! RRRRRAAAAIIIIDDDDERRRRSS! Who’s to stop them? Baltimore: no New Orleans: no Cincinnati: no
Run the Table baby!!
October 25th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
RaiderSam-Some of you are so easy. I insult you, and you fire back with insults. I state it wasn’t me making the insults, and you then forgive me. This used to be fun, but now it’s so easy, it’s not as much fun.
Ok, for fun, GO NINERS.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
RRRRAAAAIIIIIIDDDDERRRRSSSSS!! Playoffs baby. You heard it here first.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Wow, Lance wanted Calvin Johnson, and we got the QB whose name cannot be mentioned. And some think Al had his faculties late in life.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
“Sebastian Janikowski on the mark in Arrowhead” I don’t like headlines like this, everytime the media starts to praise the Raiders, they falter. For the last ten years anyway.
The last time this team could take praise and still win was under Rich Gannon at QB.
Gannon did not care about the media, he had an iron will. He did not have the “rocket arm” but he could will this team to victory. Even when we were down in the fourth he always seemed to keep focus and put the team in a position to win.
Palmer has shown great heart taking the hits and making things happen on offense. I would like to have him show a little Gannon and light a fire under this team more. He getting there, but I’d like to see just a tad more fire from him.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Raiders 34 – Chiefs 20
October 25th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Man, Tampa looked scary tonight on the road with short rest. Imagine how crazy they’re going to be next week, especially given our recent penchant for turnovers in the pocket.
October 25th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
papertiger418 Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Man, Tampa looked scary tonight on the road with short rest. Imagine how crazy they’re going to be next week, especially given our recent penchant for turnovers in the pocket.
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Yeah, but we just gotta take care of Chiefs first.. I think we will be fine going for our 3rd straight home win after taking care of the chiefs
October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Raidertalk can you elaborate on your theory that a QB can “Will a team to victory”?
October 25th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Which QB has the most “Will” in the NFL right now?
October 26th, 2012 at 12:01 am
I’m out… Later
October 26th, 2012 at 12:20 am
Kiwi_Blade Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Raidertalk can you elaborate on your theory that a QB can “Will a team to victory”?
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I din’t know exactly, but its where you see the QB extra focused in the huddle, at the line of scrimmage and in the end of games.
Remember when Gannon had those games, I think he set a completion percentage for number of completions against pittsburg and had a near perfect second half against dungver. Very very rarely would he throw a crucial pick late in games. Had the eye of the tiger I guess.
I guess the closest to a QB like that nowadays is Peyton Manning. Eli is showing flashes of it late in games too.
October 26th, 2012 at 12:39 am
Yes I remember some of Gannon’s great games.
Eye of the Tiger great stuff.
Palmer doesn’t have it then – pick 6 against Atlanta proves this?
October 26th, 2012 at 12:55 am
This new regime has come in here an imposed a scheme that’s not conducive to
Carson Palmer
Darren McFadden
The offensive line
October 26th, 2012 at 1:06 am
So we change the scheme or the personnel Kell?
October 26th, 2012 at 2:48 am
The Copycat Houston offensive scheme is here to stay.
It took 3 long hard years to get this working in Houston.
Expect the same in Oakland, LA or wherever the Raiders end up.
Reggie, DA, Knapp, they all believe in this scheme and they will cut or trade anyone who can’t fit in.
Long term strategy is superior to short term thinking.
The wind of change is a gentle breeze.
The long hard road is ahead of us.
One day we will be back.
Back where we belong.
Back on top.
Back lifting the Lombardi.
October 26th, 2012 at 3:46 am
Kiwi_Blade Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 12:39 am
Yes I remember some of Gannon’s great games.
Eye of the Tiger great stuff.
Palmer doesn’t have it then – pick 6 against Atlanta proves this?
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He only watched film of Gannon in the Superbowl. Ouch, that one hurt to type.
October 26th, 2012 at 4:41 am
I think the QB can only do so much; Drew Brees has been trying to will his team to victory all season and the Saints have the same record as us. And no, I am NOT comparing Palmer to Brees or saying they have similar skill sets or anything like that.
All I’m saying is that the QB is limited by other facets of the team, which makes it hard to overcome their flaws. The Saints have no defense and we have no rushing attack and a vulnerable secondary. It’s going to be hard to stay close to better teams or blow out lesser teams. Tough season all around
October 26th, 2012 at 4:51 am
If we had better coaches I would laud the transition to a ZBS scheme because it’s so cost-effective to establish a rushing attack under a fully functional zone offensive line. All of us saw that Rat pull RBs out of nowhere during his tenure in Denver. We could then allocate cap space to other areas of need.
Granted, if it seems too good to be true….we put the cart before the horse. We need someone like Cable to come in and actually teach this unit how to work together.
October 26th, 2012 at 4:56 am
kiwi blade 345 nice post
The Boots came real close to giving Kubiak the boot before he got rolling. Fans wanted him gone and hire the new shiny guy. I remember reading years ago their game plan was to stop Peyton otherwise they would never win the division
They were drafting for defense trying to stop Peyton.
Remember them taking Mario over the golden boys, reggie and Vince. I think the O took off after they got Schaub from Atlanta.But the system was there already, just looking for a decent QB
So chances are reg/da will follow somewhat the same tactics although we dont know if drafts will be D or O heavy. Since DA is a D coach their game plan may be to build that defense up and install the ZBS.
It has taken Shanarat three years and a late rounder from nowhere is leading the league. Wasnt adrian foster undrafted?
Another thing to keep in mind. DA did not have a bunch of ZBS coaches waiting for his call. It was late in the season (hiring) and Knapp was the best one out there.
DA will dump Knapp at the end of the year if he is not happy with the job done. Dont think for a minute DA will ruin his big chance.
Reg picked a great coach. Time will prove that.
October 26th, 2012 at 5:27 am
All I’m saying is that the QB is limited by other facets of the team, which makes it hard to overcome their flaws.
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On a single year, absolutely.
But look over a period of years, and not the case.
QB’s make their teams competitive year in and year out. The 49ers have had an elite just about everything for years, they had a good run last year when the QB played well, but sucked for years before that, and seem to have already peaked.
If you plan on making the playoffs here and there, you can do so with a running game and defense, and rotate in the Jason Campbell’s, Alex Smith’s of the world.
You want to have a chance to win the Super Bowl going into each season, you need a top 5 or so QB.
October 26th, 2012 at 5:31 am
Look at the Ravens. That defense in 2000 was one of the greatest ever.
1999 = missed playoffs
2001 = lost in 2nd round
2002 = missed playoff
They got hot and won a bowl, but never had an elite QB and missed the playoffs or lost in the first round ALL THE TIME.
And who did they lose to? The Patriots, Colts or Steelers.
Elite QB’s.
October 26th, 2012 at 5:37 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
JFB and the other Giants fans in here…I offer an early congrats to you guys…i don’t think Detroit is capable of a comeback! As much as it FN pains me to say, Giants sre the next World Series Champs! Uggghhh….just pilked in my mouth
October 26th, 2012 at 5:43 am
too bad Palmer isn’t a top 5 QB. you do need an elite QB to win now. raiders have a 2nd Tier Qb who was gotten for a 1st and a 2nd. what moron made THAT trade. yeah the same genius some people on here swear allegiance too.
October 26th, 2012 at 5:45 am
papertiger418 Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 4:41 am
I think the QB can only do so much; Drew Brees has been trying to will his team to victory all season and the Saints have the same record as us. And no, I am NOT comparing Palmer to Brees or saying they have similar skill sets or anything like that.
All I’m saying is that the QB is limited by other facets of the team, which makes it hard to overcome their flaws. The Saints have no defense and we have no rushing attack and a vulnerable secondary. It’s going to be hard to stay close to better teams or blow out lesser teams. Tough season all around
>> saints have had a couple of flukey last second losses haven’t they? overtime to the Queefs and last minute to GB. Saints aren’t that bad of a team and still might actually make a WC. just watch.
October 26th, 2012 at 6:06 am
Tampa looked pretty darn good last night…hat running back is a beast! I hope DMAC gets going!
October 26th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Raiders 31
KC 10
Raiders 41
Tampa bay 38
October 26th, 2012 at 6:18 am
Did Tampa look really good (outside of RB Martin) or was Minny that flat?
I think it was a combo of both.
Freeman seems really deliberate in the pocket to me, his play-fakes are half-azzed, he just seems a tad slow to me.
If we beat the Chefs, Tampa Bay should be a very winnable game still.
October 26th, 2012 at 6:19 am
If our O line was playing even half way decent, palmer would be doing a lot better. So would DMC.
I can’t believe the hate on Palmer this year! We finally have a legitimate QB and all most fans can do is hate. Palmer is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon, anyone who watches the games should be blaming the O line, not Palmer.
October 26th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Palmer is a legitimate QB, but he HAS TO clean up the mistakes.
That underhand pass last week in the first half, was beyond unacceptable.
I think it was 2nd and 3 when it happened!!! Just eat it and convert the 3rd down.
October 26th, 2012 at 6:26 am
All QBs make dumb mistakes when they are getting pressured constantly. Remember when Manning threw 3 INTs in the first half this year?
October 26th, 2012 at 6:29 am
I’m getting where some national media are saying the Palmer deal has turned out to be a disaster for Raiderland.
He was brought in essentially to take Raiders deep in the playoffs in a short time. Given they (and most of the bloggers here) see us as being “a few yrs. away” and the fact we missed the playoffs last yr. and are sitting 2-4 THIS yr. it hasn’t (the trade) done what was intended.
He’ll turn 33 in Dec. which is as old as Eli…Romo, and 2 1/2 yrs. younger than Brady and over 3 yrs. younger than Manning, he’s not “old’ per se, but if you’re in a rebuild where it’s considered your a few yrs. away..this isn’t a “build for the future” move.
When NFL AM diks say Raiders might be “a yr. or two away from being a yr. or two away” it means Raiders have to wait for Palmer to move on BEFORE they can “rebuild” with a new QB for the future.
Palmer, imo is a very good QB capable of being the guy to get a team to the SB…a “decent” team to the SB, but with his age…he’s not the long term solution..just like Peyton is not “long term’ at Denver.
He can however be the guy who bridges the gap, but I get where they say the trade was a failure cuz Palmer was brought in to make it happen NOW…and it doesn’t appear at 2-4 that it’s gonna happen anytime soon…and giving up a 1st and a 2nd for him it hurts the “rebuilding” cause according to the ‘experts’.
I get all that. I still think Palmer..with a good cast…can be a big time top QB.
October 26th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Talk about a team that is in a more disastrous position than us it’s Denver.
They are about to go into salary cap hell, they have alot of aging veterans who will be gone soon enough, and they are basically just putting all their chips on the table for THIS yr.
Oh, they are having their fun with Manning and getting all the accolades and praise but how long is that gonna last…and at only 3-3…what chances do they have of getting past Houston or New England?…and god forbid Manning goes down..Caleb Hanie is their backup right now.
October 26th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
October 25th, 2012 at 8:48 am
@ AIG,
hello dear friend…as u remember we used to go at it back in the day re: HueJax, Cable, etc….
i’m curious to know:
knowing what we know now, would you rather have DA and Knapp (package deal) or HueJax and a new DC of his choosing?
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What up fellow Raider fan. Actually you and I went at it over JC is what I remember. But nevertheless, I’d take Cable and DA over Hue any day. Hue actually fooled me for a little bit after Al Died. But Hue’s players gave up on him at the end of last season and Hue threw others under the bus and even tried to back off the “Greatest Trade of All Time” as Mark’s own doing. Hue was the defacto man in charge after Al died and he could have replaced Bresh too. But Cable’s guys played hard for him even when we were out of the playoff. Hue’s guys didnt. That’s as simple as that. Hue is a cancer and our players would have tuned him out this year.
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Trust me it was all about Cable vs Hue…LOL… in any case, I loved Hue. I think he got average players to perform better. BUT – when Al died, what I told people was that Hue looked a little too comfortable “on the throne” so to speak. So I completely understood why Reggie got rid of him, even though I disagreed. But then we turn around and hire Knapp (WTF), who is killing our offense. I believe players have to execute. I also believe its the coaches responsibility to put players in a position to execute. DA and Tarver are doing well in that respect…..but this offense has really underperformed. Dmac is a straight ahead power runner with great speed. It’s simple. Do what has already been proven to work.
What bothers me the most is that there was ALREADY evidence the DMAC was no good in the ZBS. Knapp’s hiring fall’s on DA’s shoulders. It’ll be interesting to see how long he sticks with him and/or the ZBS. And for that matter, how long they stick with McFadden! Goodson is a better fit for this offense
We’ve already made personnel changes to try and install the ZBS. My fear is that if it continues to fail, and we try to go back…then we are stuck in no mans land from a personnel standpoint. This is something that could potentially take a year or two to fix…
October 26th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Top-o-the mornin nation,
Seems to me our defense is getting better every gane, huff is abetter corner then safety…now if we could just block……
October 26th, 2012 at 6:47 am
On the “postive” side, it’s possible Palmer can stay a viable, effective QB for 5 more yrs.
If the Raiders can build the personnel around him fairly quickly, we could be looking at a 2-3 yr. run with Palmer at the helm and be a serious threat with a 35-36 yr. old Palmer…but to build for the future, they will need to either develop Pryor (don’t see it) OR acquire a real good QB through FA along the way.
It’d be nice to the “nation” get behind Palmer a little more. The guy is bustin his butt to make this team good and win games; taking shot after shot and getting back up to battle again. He loves being a Raider and he’s doing everything in his power to get things rolling.
I think he deserves our appreciation and support. Imo.
October 26th, 2012 at 6:56 am
On the “postive” side, it’s possible Palmer can stay a viable, effective QB for 5 more yrs.
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Mistic’s head just exploded.
October 26th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Amen Johnny! We as fans should support the team! Palmer has been busting his chops! If the line can get better at blocking…we shoudl be a force to reckon with!
October 26th, 2012 at 7:01 am
[...] “We play hard. We don’t play dirty,” fullback Marcel Reece said in response to the complaints of Chiefs linebacker Tamba Hali, via Steve Corkran of InsideBayArea.com. “But everybody has their right to their own opinion. Obviously divisional opponents are going to feel it a little more because it’s a rivalry. Those weeks are different. Hey, he has his right to his opinion. Like I said, if somebody says something about you, it means you’re doing something right.” [...]
October 26th, 2012 at 7:02 am
I agree with your post JFB! Minny didn’t look ready to play last night! Freeman in the first half had pretty much all day…
October 26th, 2012 at 7:04 am
lol jfb
I just dont get all the whining, especially about Hue and what ifs. I am sure thats how most of the folks are in real life as well.
Must be miserable to be anywhere near anyway who is complaining and whining all the dam time
October 26th, 2012 at 7:06 am
LOL…people these days love to whine…I just laugh at those guys! Like I always state, I do not let sports get to me anymore…I mean, not dictate my life! Sure, there are a few things that fly across the room, but I learned to use plastic these days!…LOL
October 26th, 2012 at 7:09 am
I almost broke my remote last sunday, we looked like crap.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:09 am
It shoud be a great football weekend! Let’s see if Dallas can do what they did in week one! My mind says i doubt it, but…NE and Rams in London, should be interesting. I’m glad that the Raider game is on at 1. Gives me time to sleep in and actually enjoy my breakfast Sunday morning!
October 26th, 2012 at 7:10 am
I had a best friend who was not “happy” unless he was moaning and groaning all the time. When things were going well he was not himself but life rains on him and he is “happy” as he can be letting everyone know how miserable he is.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Fire knapp… good morning
October 26th, 2012 at 7:10 am
raiderjhawk Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:09 am
I almost broke my remote last sunday, we looked like crap.
LOL, I hide my remote when I turn on the game these days!
October 26th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 6:56 am
On the “postive” side, it’s possible Palmer can stay a viable, effective QB for 5 more yrs.
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Mistic’s head just exploded.
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LMFAO !!!
October 26th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Good Morning Mike! What’s good on your side of the Country this Friday morning?
October 26th, 2012 at 7:12 am
oh..GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
October 26th, 2012 at 7:13 am
morning Hwnrdr !!
all is good here, just waiting on the storms
that are coming in this weekend !!
October 26th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Must be miserable to be anywhere near anyway who is complaining and whining all the dam time
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Still single my friend, the dog is always happy.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:16 am
lol.. bad weather and bad drivers put money in my pocket !!
October 26th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Is it Hurricane Sandy?
October 26th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Changing my dogs name to fire knapp
October 26th, 2012 at 7:16 am
DJ Johnny Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 6:29 am
I’m getting where some national media are saying the Palmer deal has turned out to be a disaster for Raiderland.
He was brought in essentially to take Raiders deep in the playoffs in a short time. Given they (and most of the bloggers here) see us as being “a few yrs. away” and the fact we missed the playoffs last yr. and are sitting 2-4 THIS yr. it hasn’t (the trade) done what was intended.
He’ll turn 33 in Dec. which is as old as Eli…Romo, and 2 1/2 yrs. younger than Brady and over 3 yrs. younger than Manning, he’s not “old’ per se, but if you’re in a rebuild where it’s considered your a few yrs. away..this isn’t a “build for the future” move.
When NFL AM diks say Raiders might be “a yr. or two away from being a yr. or two away” it means Raiders have to wait for Palmer to move on BEFORE they can “rebuild” with a new QB for the future.
Palmer, imo is a very good QB capable of being the guy to get a team to the SB…a “decent” team to the SB, but with his age…he’s not the long term solution..just like Peyton is not “long term’ at Denver.
He can however be the guy who bridges the gap, but I get where they say the trade was a failure cuz Palmer was brought in to make it happen NOW…and it doesn’t appear at 2-4 that it’s gonna happen anytime soon…and giving up a 1st and a 2nd for him it hurts the “rebuilding” cause according to the ‘experts’.
I get all that. I still think Palmer..with a good cast…can be a big time top QB.
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It really makes me sick to think we were that good last year only to be sabatoged by a horrific D. Palmer has done a great job thus far. If we had a OC with any brains, he’d a designed the offense around Palmer and Dmac instead of sabatoging it. We were really only a DC and a Bush re-sign away from going deep into the playoffs this year. Woulda been there last year if the D didn’t implode on those mind boggling 99 & 99 1/2 epic meltdowns.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Forgot breaking the remote, I was worried we were going to turn into the Seattle Supersonics if we lost.
Ahhhh…….not my best moment.
But that ish was mind-numbing!!!! My wife was like, what’s the big deal, we can still win this.
She didn’t get that the Jags were a AAA team.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:17 am
yep. thats the one Hwnrdr
October 26th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Already named my boat fire knapp
October 26th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Problem with the Raider run game is there is no #2 back. Easy as heck for defenses to key in on Dmac. It’s a no brainer for opposing Ds’ to game plan against us. Especially when opposing Ds’ know our OC can’t adjust.
Still think we’ll beat KC & TB regardless of our so-called zbs/bs scheme. Palmer will be forced to come from behind with the no huddle late in the second half and get it done.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:23 am
My daughter doesnt want to be named fire knapp but tough tits, we support our team.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:26 am
If the Raiders are taking umbrage it begs the question who is umbrage…and where are they taking him too.?
October 26th, 2012 at 7:28 am
388.Marks hair Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Already named my boat fire knapp
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THAT is funny!!!
October 26th, 2012 at 7:29 am
DJ Johnny Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:26 am
If the Raiders are taking umbrage it begs the question who is umbrage…and where are they taking him too.?
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He’s a barback at Ricky’s.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Speaking of no #2 back, I am throwing it out there now, but this offseason we will make a run at Deangelo Williams.
He must assuredly will be cut with his contract, and would be a great #2 back, and I think his style could work in a ZBS system.
Remember who told you first.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Marks Hair Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Changing my dogs name to fire knapp
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I would imagine many dogs are getting use to that phrase being shouted out during games.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Marks hair Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Already named my boat fire knapp
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lol.
Maybe the league had a say in the knapp hiring. Maybe part of a stipulation the league made to keep from ‘taking’ the Raiders. Kind of like how the state can take a child if the parents pass away and get them to a foster home.
“We at the league feel that with the passing of Mr Davis, instead of taking the team under our direct care, would like to see knapp come in and help foster this team back to a healthy and productive club”.
I hate those closed door back room deals. Just isn’t fair.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:33 am
Right on, 345.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:34 am
All teams play dirty. Thats part of the game. seahacks are trying real hard to be a ‘dirty’ team.
Its just that the Raiders were good at it at one time and everybody got jealous.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Morning NATION!
Carson IS NOT the problem,, guy has been battling since he arrived and has this team’s respect, and mine.
Love to see our ground game get on track, but i really think Taiwan Jones has to be included in the offense on a regular basisi to keep DMac fresh and keep the D’s guessing. Plus he’s got the most speed and moves of anyone on this team.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:36 am
I look forward to another 3-4 years of Knapp at the helm.
He already posted the best 2nd half we have had in over 20 games (better than any 2nd half last year).
Onward and upward, with or without the bangwagoners.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:36 am
bandwagoners, or bangwagoners, whichever one works best for you, lol.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:37 am
Would the ‘Bangwagon’ be for the ladies only?
October 26th, 2012 at 7:39 am
We need to draft S phillip thomas from fresno st. Kids a ballhawk. Leads the ncaa in takaways and ints. He will tie the single season records for pick 6s with his next one. And he’s getting better everyday under coach and hofer tim mcdonald
October 26th, 2012 at 7:39 am
knapp is trying to run the team into the ground so DA will get fired and knapp will be the ‘next guy up’. knapp will be our HC next season. You heard it here first.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:41 am
1-4…getting blown out AT HOME 17-3 to the worst team in the league, without their QB and top player (MJD)and having just recovered an onside kick, and now staring 1-5 in the face…that has to be the lowest Raider fan moment in the last 3 yr’s.
Then they come back and now we’re only a game out of first with plenty of season left.
Weird how this all plays out sometimes.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Best second half? Against the AAA jags? Who cares?
October 26th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Tim McDonald’s son is also a 1st or 2nd round prospect from USC.
Thomas from FSU will be tested in the run game this weekend, when the Lobo’s roll-out our 1930’s offense and go literally hours in reall time, without attempting a pass.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Best second half? Against the AAA jags? Who cares?
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We didn’t play any AAA teams last year?
October 26th, 2012 at 7:44 am
This is knapps last stop as an oc at this level.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:46 am
This is knapps last stop as an oc at this level.
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Yup, his next stop will D-I head coach.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Marks hair Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:44 am
This is knapps last stop as an oc at this level.
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If he isn’t named HC next year. After all, he is trying to ruin this team and get DA fired so he can be named the new HC.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Fsu hasnt been the same team on the road. Im sure it will be a test.
October 26th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Crawbevy Feels Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Marks hair Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 7:44 am
This is knapps last stop as an oc at this level.
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If he isn’t named HC next year. After all, he is trying to ruin this team and get DA fired so he can be named the new HC.
Oh gawd no!
October 26th, 2012 at 7:57 am
LOL…Peyton Manning is now the proud owner of 21 Papa John’s Pizza stores across the Denver area!
October 26th, 2012 at 8:00 am
One thing about the Bucs though, is they are a physical team with a nasty D-Line.
Not that skilled, and we have the better QB, but that is going to be a tough, physically draining game.
We need to house the Chiefs, and not be fighting tooth and nail to win that game, so we can be moderately fresh for the dog-fight the next week will present.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:02 am
TB is taking on the demeanor of their coach for sure.
Vincent Jackson has been a problem for us for years…
got to take care of biz on the road this week.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:02 am
And Ronde Barber still playing very good at 37! You know he will go for the ball with DMAC and Goodson!
October 26th, 2012 at 8:03 am
A friend is a native Vikings fan. He said TE other day that the Vikings are the most overrated team in the NFL. Defense is average and the offense is only AP. Looked that way last night.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Ronde is a ball-hawk for sure.
Branch does as good a job running away from the ball as Ronde does running to it.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Doug Martin is hungry too. He runs hard and will not go down on first contact. Gotta focus on that little turd. Our game with TB could go just like last nights game. We have to OUT physical those guys.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:16 am
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_21858040/oakland-raiders-kicker-sebastian-janikowski-usually-target-at
way to jinx it
October 26th, 2012 at 8:16 am
theghostronin79 Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Doug Martin is hungry too.
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if we stop jamaal charles, i’m going out on the limb and saying teams can’t run on us
October 26th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Ponder was under durress most of the night. Can expect the same or worse for Palmer. Plus they pretty much shut down Peterson…..For the most part. Where does that leave us? Can’t be running deep routes all game. Seems like we run alot of LONG developing plays. Once in awhile Palmer actually gets 3-4 seconds. Watch him waiting and searching…and still have to roll out of the pocket.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Man, Charles ran amuck against Baltimore. I know their Defense is aging and not what it ONCE was but…..C’Mon, it’s freakin Baltimore, and KC pounded them all day. That game was theirs for the taking, and they pissed away their opportunities with mistake after mistake……Kinda reminds me of another team.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Raiders need to unleash Burris on the QB.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Raiders defense is better than the Ravens.
Man, that felt good to type.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
I’m Um from Umbrage.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am
I will get a kick out of watching Pat Lee and Joselio Hanson outplay Stan Routt.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:22 am
424,
Keep in mind that it’s now been 3 weeks in a row of teams running amok on Baltimore.
Not to diminish the importance of being wary of Charles this week.
I don’t see us blwoing out KC..maybe cuz we haven’t blown anybody out for a long time.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:23 am
427.Kirk Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 8:21 am
I’m Um from Umbrage.
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Where have the Raiders taken you?
October 26th, 2012 at 8:26 am
I don’t see us blwoing out KC..maybe cuz we haven’t blown anybody out for a long time.
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Our last blow-out win was……..week 17, 2010 in KC.
Long live Tom Cable
October 26th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Yeah DJ, Last Blowout I remember was in Denver. NOBODY saw that SH*T coming, and it even more awesome cause it was the Donks. I was so damn giddy, hoping around the living room and laughing. Our victories are never “Well in hand”. I just want that knot in my chest to not be there in the 4th Quarter. Shoot, the tension is there NOW, and it’s only Friday.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:32 am
432,
Yes Ghost. I remember that game well. McFadden went crazy and we just embarrassed them.
59-14.
With JC at the helm no less.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:34 am
LOL…Peyton Manning is now the proud owner of 21 Papa John’s Pizza stores across the Denver area!
Elway got auto dealerships
Manning gets pizza stores?
Frankenpeyton will have to sell a hell of a lot of pizzas to make up the diff
October 26th, 2012 at 8:35 am
1-4 put us in a deep hole. We have to beat KC then Tampa Bay just to get to 4-4 THEN we have to keep on winning.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:37 am
434.Plunketthead Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 8:34 am
LOL…Peyton Manning is now the proud owner of 21 Papa John’s Pizza stores across the Denver area!
Elway got auto dealerships
Manning gets pizza stores?
Frankenpeyton will have to sell a hell of a lot of pizzas to make up the diff
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Then he overrides Papa’s desire to only give away 1 million free pizzas by insisting on giving away 2 million…who the hell’s running the show here?
October 26th, 2012 at 8:38 am
The 2010 team stopped having meaningful games after 14 of them, last year all 16 were.
The goal this year is to split the difference. Our 15th game has to still have something on the line.
I think it will.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:40 am
It’s all about the opening possession man. In games where we’ve driven down and got a TD on the 1st possession, we’ve done real well. I know it happens so rarely. Maybe even getting a few 1st downs. Anything but 3 and out.
2 yd run….
Wheel route, 2yd loss…..
Incomplete pass…..
Punt….
The other team’s 1st play from scrimmage
12 yd pass across the middle…..1st down
The forehead rubbing begins, and lasts for the next 58 minutes.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Want a first down the first drive?
Three passes at Routt; chances are you will get one flag out of it.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:42 am
How about Stan Routt’s quote that he is getting paid by half the AFC West?
Really focused on the priorities eh? I am sure he is not at all bothered that he is 1-5.
No suprsie, he was one of the first roster cuts by The Reggie.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:43 am
JFB,
I remember that game too. I also recall being on this blog during that game and Sullivan coming on and criticizing us for watching it, saying it was an “exhibition” game…he said he was watching some other show cuz he was above watching a “meaningless game”.
I think that game was 31-10?
It got us to 8-8 and prompted the now famous “we’re not losers anymore” comment.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:43 am
LOL……TRUTH
October 26th, 2012 at 8:44 am
440.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 8:42 am
How about Stan Routt’s quote that he is getting paid by half the AFC West?
Really focused on the priorities eh? I am sure he is not at all bothered that he is 1-5.
No suprsie, he was one of the first roster cuts by The Reggie.
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On his website he lists his salary as one of his “accomplishments”.
What a dik.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Long live Tom Cable
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The man gets no love or respect in here yet he ended the decade of picking in the top 7.
Went 6-0 in the division. Looked the part, loved the part, played he part.
My hope is the future generations will appreciate the man that has the pimp hand who works wonders wherever he goes.
Come to think of it my Cable jersey becomes more valuable to me by the day
NO KNUCKLEHEADS,,,,,,,, SLAP
October 26th, 2012 at 8:50 am
435.DJ Johnny Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 8:35 am
1-4 put us in a deep hole. We have to beat KC then Tampa Bay just to get to 4-4 THEN we have to keep on winning.
We need to go 4-2 in our next 6 games. Puts us at 6-6 and in the drivers seat with 4 left.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Reggie McKenzie would have considered keeping Cabes on as HC.
Never crossed his mind with Hue.
October 26th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Getting close to the trade deadline, isnt it?
I would not be suprised if Reg made a big trade or two. For draft picks or maybe for a missing piece but I doubt that. Too many missing pieces and not enough good players.
Chances are he would dump any big contracts that player wont deal on. Palmer, TK., McFad in order to hit the market next year.
Many big headed bloggers do not realize what a nightmare that must have been for Reg when he started looking into cap space numbers and out of whack paychecks.
This summer you can bet that the Raiders will be one of the biggest movers in FA
October 26th, 2012 at 9:01 am
So what was whitlock implying here? Sounds like he called peytonstein a juicer
Broncos fans are on my butt about my early-season comments that Peyton Manning was “toast.” OK, he’s not toast. I was wrong.
Manning’s arm magically got stronger. He looks great. I don’t mind being wrong. It’ll happen again. I’d love to know how and why Manning’s arm got stronger, and that’s not a sarcastic criticism. But we went from Manning’s arm being “it is what it is” to being better than what it was.
The AFC is weak. I can see Manning and the Broncos taking advantage and winning the AFC Championship. Right now I see the Texans and Broncos in the AFC title game.
October 26th, 2012 at 9:01 am
If we trade anyone, I think it will be TK.
Interior pass-rushers have value, and can be put into a game in a short turnaround. Rushing the passer on 3rd and 9 is the same no matter where you are.
October 26th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
October 26th, 2012 at 9:10 am
I could see trading TK, Seymour (although he wouldn’t fetch much with that contract) and DMac.
October 26th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Not trading DMAC, no chance in the middle of the season that is happening.
October 26th, 2012 at 9:16 am
So you can get a Lou Eliades elite Nike jersey but not Miles Burris? SMH
October 26th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Reggie McKenzie would have considered keeping Cabes on as HC.
Never crossed his mind with Hue.
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OMG! You People are CRAZY….
October 26th, 2012 at 9:17 am
I like your TK pick. That makes sense. Reg will get a third, maybe a fourth?
Heck Reg may pick out another Wheeler/goodson and trade straight up.
October 26th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Hmm…maybe I should get a custom jersey with BIG BANANA on the back.
October 26th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Still gotta get me another one…Humuhumunukunukuapua’a won’t fit…
Maybe a 50, with Hawaiian on the back!
October 26th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Lol, Hwn!
October 26th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Cable?
The Monkey with a losing record, the guy who punched his assistant, beats women, and likes prostitutes?!?!
Reggie would consider him?
October 26th, 2012 at 9:37 am
O, Hansen is the bad guy now since he broke a bottle over a guys head.
There’s a question whether Cable was the instigator now.
October 26th, 2012 at 9:37 am
…the prostitutes??? Well, I don’t know what to say about that.
October 26th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Dells World Famous Oakland Raider Fantasy Football is consuming my free time.
I use to play three teams, sometimes more. Past two years I went to one and I spend more time on it then I did on three teams.
I just checked a few weather reports and I am about to flip a coin for a decision that I cant make. Its a jungle in there and I have not felt that drive to win since I achieved the pinnacle in dominating 8th grade badmitten championship.
The drive for a second Al Davis Cup is addictive
October 26th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Happy Friday Mr prez !!
October 26th, 2012 at 10:10 am
O !! whats up Mr VP ??
October 26th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Raider O Says:
October 26th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Cable?
The Monkey with a losing record, the guy who punched his assistant, beats women, and likes prostitutes?!?!
Reggie would consider him?
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well if he likes prostitutes he can be all bad !!
October 26th, 2012 at 10:39 am
maybe reggie mac might have offered cable an assistant oline gig, but not HC.
and hue definitely had to go.