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Postgame notes, quotes and observations on Raiders-Bucs game

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, November 4th, 2012 at 7:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.

At one point Sunday, things looked promising for the Raiders. The Denver Broncos trailed the Cincinnati Bengals 20-17 in the fourth quarter and the Raiders seemed poised to forge a first-place tie in the AFC West with a victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaners.
Then, the Broncos rallied for a 31-23 victory and the Raiders got run over by rookie running back Doug Martin and the Buccaneers at the Coliseum in a 42-32 loss.
Now, the Raiders are at 3-5, two games behind the Broncos and one game behind the San Diego Chargers in the AFC West, with losses against both teams, to boot.
How they got here is quite mind-boggling. The Raiders entered the locker room with a 10-7 lead, only to watch the Buccaneers score five touchdowns in the second half, three on runs of 45, 67 and 70 yards by Martin.
“We didn’t make enough plays to win the game but we were successful moving the football,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “Our team hung in there, our team battled. We tried to make a comeback and came up a little bit short.”
That the Raiders were even in the game at the end is somewhat remarkable.
The Buccaneers led 35-17 in the fourth quarter before the Raiders mounted a furious comeback.
Quarterback Carson Palmer cobbled together back-to-back drives that netted two touchdowns and 145 yards on 18 plays to make it 35-32. Then, they got the ball back with 2 minutes, 42 seconds left at their own 36-yard line.
Surely, the Raiders would navigate their way into Sebastian Janikowski’s field-goal range — about 20 yards — and then take a few shots at a touchdown.
No. That wasn’t the plan. The Raiders had the Bucs defense on its heels, and they wanted to finish it off right then and there.
“We were trying to win the game,” Allen said. “We were definitely trying to win the game and, obviously, we didn’t execute good enough and weren’t able to do it.”
Palmer launched back-to-back 20-yard passes, the first for wide receiver Rod Streater, the second for receiver Denarius Moore.
Palmer’s first pass fell incomplete. His second pass fell into the hands of Bucs safety Ahmad Black, who returned the ball 34 yards. Martin sealed the outcome with his fourth touchdown three plays later.
“Obviously, to come back and then to not finish a team, it was difficult,” Palmer said. “But we fought, showed a lot of heart. But didn’t make enough plays when it was all said and done.”

– Martin finished with 251 yards rushing, with 220 of that coming in the second half and 182 of that 220 on the three long touchdown runs.
Not what many expected from a Raiders defense that played well against the run in recent games. The Raiders entered the game having allowed an average of 102.1 yards their first seven games, at an average of 3.9 per carry.
The Bucs amassed 278 yards and 8.7 per carry.
It was all a bit much for Raiders cornerback Michael Huff to digest, especially when he predicted the Raiders would be a top-five defense this season.
“I still don’t know what really happened,” Huff said. “We played so well in the first half; we gave up a few big plays but nothing really to beat us. Then the second half was kind of a snowball effect. We couldn’t stop the run, we couldn’t stop the pass.”
Martin is an Oakland native. His career game came before numerous family members, friends and former coaches.
“It’s awesome,” Martin said. “Words can’t describe it. I had a lot of family and friends, and high school teammates, schoolmates and teachers. It’s just indescribable.”

– The Raiders allowed 515 yards on Sunday. That’s quite a contrast to the previous three games when the Raiders held their opponents under 300 yards in each game.
Missed tackles, an inability to pressure quarterback Josh Freeman on a consistent basis, missed tackles, blown coverages, you name it, there’s plenty of blame to go around.
“We didn’t tackle well,” Allen said. “They did a good job of blocking, the runner did a great job of running, and we had an opportunity to make a few plays and missed some tackles. And when you miss tackles on that guy, he takes it for big gains and that’s exactly what happened.”

– Raiders tight end Brandon Myers scored two of Oakland’s four touchdowns Sunday.
Go figure. Myers entered the game without a touchdown during his 3 1/2-year NFL career. Overall, Myers finished with eight receptions for 59 yards in his breakout season as the Raiders starting tight end.

– Palmer passed for 414 yards and four touchdowns. However, he also had three of his 61 passes intercepted, including the one that ended their comeback.
Palmer came within 4 yards of breaking his Raiders record and 11 of setting the Raiders franchise record, set by Jeff Hostetler.
He took the blame making poor throws and decisions on the interceptions. In the locker room, he received nothing but praise for bringing back the Raiders from a huge deficit.
“Obviously, you can sit back and wish you did it differently after a loss; and after a win, everything looks right,” Palmer said. “We had some critical errors. I had some critical errors.”
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey said Palmer had the players believing the whole time.
“Carson’s the type of guy, he has the talent to bring us back,” Heyward-Bey said. “But it’s all about his leadership. The stuff he was staying in the huddle, just keeping us into the game, making us believe we could make a play.
“At first he was like, ‘We just need one. Now we need two.’ We went out there and tried to make it happen but, unfortunately, we just ended up on the wrong end.”

– Defensive lineman Desmond Bryant was taken to a local hospital with an accelerated heartbeat early in the second half, a team official said.
The official said Bryant was taken to the hospital as a precautionary measure. No other update was provided.

– Lamarr Houston turned in the key play on special teams when he blocked a field-goal attempt in the first quarter and returned it 34 yards.
The Raiders cashed in the drive with a Janikowski field goal.
It turned out to be a mixed bag on special teams play overall.
Shane Lechler faked a punt in the second quarter, throwing a short pass to running back Taiwan Jones. The Bucs sniffed out the fake, tackled Jones well shy of the first-down marker and took over on downs.
“It’s part of some things that we have in our arsenal,” Allen said. “They brought the gunner in and they did a nice job of adjusting back out and they made the play and we didn’t.”

– Running back Darren McFadden rushed for 17 yards on seven carries before leaving the game with a right ankle injury.
“I’m not really sure the extent of it,” Allen said. “The X-rays were negative but, obviously. we’ll have to take a look at it and see where he’s at.”
Making matters worse, backup back Mike Goodson also suffered an ankle injury, and he wasn’t able to finish the game.
Allen said Goodson did not receive X-rays on his ankle.
For now, the Raiders might be looking at more of Jones and fullback Marcel Reece if McFadden and Goodson aren’t able to play next Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens.
They also have the potential to sign a free agent or sign rookie Jeremy Stewart from their practice squad.

– The Buccaneers beat the Raiders at home for the firs time in six tries. Overall, the Raiders lead the series 6-3, including a loss in the Super Bowl at the end of the 2002 season.

– Huff and Moore had games they would just as soon forget.
Huff got beat by receivers Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams for touchdowns, and he was part of a duo that got beat by Jackson on a 64-yard pass a few plays before he got behind Huff for a 20-yard touchdown.
Huff also gambled on an out route to Williams that quarterback Josh Freeman delivered just out of Huff’s reach, with Williams turning the short reception into a long gain.
Moore caught only four of the nine passes thrown his way. It looked as if he and Palmer were out of synch more times than they were on the same page.
One play, Palmer sailed a pass 25-30 yards over Moore’s head, perhaps expecting Moore to keep running. A couple of other passes hit off Moore’s hands and went incomplete.

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  • papertiger418

    Mistic isn’t a racist, at least not in the classical sense of the term. He’s just been traumatized by racists to such a degree that he’s fixated upon justifying any member of his race as a result, which is self-defeating because he begins to succumb to the blind fanaticism and hatred that traumatized him in the first place. It’s a labyrinth, and it’s sadly understandable, but it sucks because we’re stuck with his vitriol for the rest of his life.

    Just another great day in Raider Nation.

  • hwnrdr

    Peyton Manning blew the superbowl with a pick in the 4th…a game that I think Indy should have won. Down by 3, twice, Tom Brady couldn’t bring that team back (although yes, he didn’t thorw a pick). Aaron Rogers threw a pick earlier in the season that cost him his comeback, and even the announcers said it was ill advised. Drew Brees threw a bunch of picks in one game this year. Rivers threw 4 in trying to come back…AFTER having a 24-0 lead…
    Yes I hate picks and I hate when ANY qb on my team makes those mistakes, but hey…all those guys are SB winning qbs! Let’s give them a pass right?
    Palmer threw that pick yesterday and I was pi**ed as we all should be, but that game should have never, NEVER been a come from behind!

  • RockyMountainRaider

    Its not like im hating or saying start some body else. Being “the best quarterback since Rich Gannon” dont mean sh!t to me if your still not winning games.

  • guest123

    Smart money says he quits football and head back to his doritios and light beer

    ***********

    Now why does it have to be like that? How would it read if someone said:

    Smart money says he quits football and head back to his fried chicken and watermelon.

    But let’s not go there. Your position that Freeman > Palmer is indefensible.

  • The Big Banana

    Gotta love revisionists. Here is what you wrote RockyMointain:

    he succeeds when we have a lead but when were down late in the forth cant seem to get the win

  • hwnrdr

    In other news, Routt was waived by teh Chiefs today! Anyone interested?

  • mcfadden20.

    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:37 am

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:30 am
    So Palmer is batting 2-4 .500 when he has to lead a team from behind to win the games , I’ll take that all day and every day over any one we had since Gannon
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Let’s see. JaMarcus was in that spot against Kansas City and Denver in 2009.

    JR: 1.00
    CP: .500

    JR’s the man!


    wow such a great Qb, where is he again?

  • poprox13

    THE BEST QB WE HAVE HAD SINCE GANNON HANDS DOWN JASON CAMPBELL.
    _______________________

    LMAO!!! If Campbell was still our QB that game would have been over before the 4th quarter even began.

  • mcfadden20.

    Jason Campbell never i mean never leads us close to the score let alone give us a chance to win yesterday with no running game , and every one will agree with except for Mistic

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Routt just cut by the Chiefs. Now is when Al_is_theraiders and everyone else needs to tell us how Routt is this great cover corner that Reggie made such a HUGE mistake cutting…

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    So Palmer is batting 2-4 .500 when he has to lead a team from behind to win the games , I’ll take that all day and every day over any one we had since Gannon
    ===========

    wrong sport this isnt baseball and .500 isnt good enough.

    However the truth is palmer isnt anywhere near.500. he is right now trying to live up to bruce gradkowski level football.

    in 18 games as a raider carson has managed palmer has managed to win a measly 7 games. In 18 games in silver and black palmer has 26 touch downs AGAINST A WHOPPING 28 TURN OVERS!!!!

    that is just really bad football

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Brahs, badazz news!

    Just found an 1/8 of chronic in this passed out stripper’s purse!

    The Beeeech Dawg quickly hollowed out a watermelon for a bong and puffed that shizzle to the HEAD

    Thinkin’ about a nap, but you KNOW when the stripper wakes up she’ll wanna ride The Lawg

    Yo, now I know how Jack Tripper must’ve felt

    FIZZLE

  • guest123

    hwnrdr Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am
    In other news, Routt was waived by teh Chiefs today! Anyone interested?

    ************

    Does he still have that top 15 salary banner on his website?

  • The Big Banana

    where does palmer go next year?

    ———-

    I’m sure Chicago would consider him a huge upgrade over their current 2nd banana. But then, I’m sure Palmer won’t be happy to hold a clipboard, like that guy is.

  • RaiderDebo

    http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/55195/vick-suffers-from-poor-offensive-line-play

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    For the stat geeks who really believe Mike Vick should be benched.

  • mcfadden20.

    Your QB put up 22 points in a quarter , what more you expect? Every time he brought us a little closer , our D freaking allowed a 50 yard rushing touchdown on very first play of that possession

  • hwnrdr

    Denver in 2009, JR came in for an injured qb, can’t remember his name at the moment…oh yeah, Charlie Frye, and did throw that game winning TD to Lou Murph, I will give him that! And that was a throw that most can’t make! He also almost fumbled on thrid down and was lucky to get another shot!

  • hwnrdr

    guest123 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    hwnrdr Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:42 am
    In other news, Routt was waived by teh Chiefs today! Anyone interested?

    ************

    Does he still have that top 15 salary banner on his website?

    LOL

  • mcfadden20.

    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/55195/vick-suffers-from-poor-offensive-line-play

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    For the stat geeks who really believe Mike Vick should be benched.

    ===

    but we got HOF OLINE and HALL OF RB’s AND WR for the reason Palmer should be cut for not succeeding

  • papertiger418

    Hwnrdr,

    Wow! Does that mean if Routt clears waivers and gets picked up by another team, he can argue that he’s been paid by 3 TEAMS for one season of play? Amazing job, Stanford.

  • mcfadden20.

    These guys don’t look at more than just the end results , oh Yeah , P Manning led Den to come back win against SD, after 24-0 or what ever score , but yet fail to realize , their D did not allow SD to score another point rest of the way

  • Al_is_theraiders

    bring routt back asap…

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    guest123 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:40 am

    Smart money says he quits football and head back to his doritios and light beer

    ***********

    But let’s not go there. Your position that Freeman > Palmer is indefensible.
    =============

    really?

    palmer 13 tds 12 turn overs 3-5

    freeman 16 tds 10 turnovers 4-4

    i would take freeman over palmer if freeman didnt have arms

  • hwnrdr

    papertiger418 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:50 am
    Hwnrdr,

    Wow! Does that mean if Routt clears waivers and gets picked up by another team, he can argue that he’s been paid by 3 TEAMS for one season of play? Amazing job, Stanford.

    LOL, I guess but you think anyone picks him up? NE maybe?

  • Marks hair

    Tp time criner time bergstrom time streater time burris at mlb time. Seasons over time to evaluate.

  • The Big Banana

    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am
    http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/55195/vick-suffers-from-poor-offensive-line-play

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    For the stat geeks who really believe Mike Vick should be benched.

    ——

    Vick should get a pass and Palmer should be able to perform miracles. Lol. Some of you can’t get out of your own way.

  • Carl Weathers

    What weapons are you talking about that we have? Our receivers can only run 1 route , that’s why he was picked on that pass to Streater, we would have called different play if we had any body who could run a route

    @@@@@@@

    We obviously need a #1 WR. We DO have a very good receiving TE, The most versatile FB with the best hands in the league, Mcfadden & Goodson are good in the passing game. Weapons.

  • papertiger418

    #875

    Shut up, Shanahan!

  • Al_is_theraiders

    quack is back! cant say i missed you…we are still paying routt bring him back…better than spencer sitting on the bench…

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    in 18 games as a raider carson has managed to win a measly 7 games.

    In 18 games in silver and black palmer has 26 touch downs AGAINST A WHOPPING 28 TURN OVERS!!!!

    that is just really bad football

  • RaiderDebo

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:48 am
    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/55195/vick-suffers-from-poor-offensive-line-play

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    For the stat geeks who really believe Mike Vick should be benched.

    ===

    but we got HOF OLINE and HALL OF RB’s AND WR for the reason Palmer should be cut for not succeeding

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    When did I say Palmer should be cut???? Or even benched for that matter?? But he’s playing with an OL that’s a hell of a lot better than what Vick has.

  • mcfadden20.

    really?

    palmer 13 tds 12 turn overs 3-5

    freeman 16 tds 10 turnovers 4-4

    i would take freeman over palmer if freeman didnt have arms
    ——
    He only got 3 more TD’s than Palmer ?, with VJAX a legit #1 receiver and good # 2 in M Williams and that D Martin guy , who could be considered for MVP candidate at this point , realy just 3 more TD’s than Palmer with support that’s head and shoulder above what Palmer got ?

  • RaidingTexas

    RaiderDebo Says:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/05/Week-9/index.html#ixzz2BNUGP9VF

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    I’m not selling Carson, like some of you seem to be. But that play is indefensible. Just a bad, bad pass. Threw it right to Black with the game on the line.

  • morilla

    Routt cut today? Bwahahahhaha! Too funny.

  • theghostronin79

    You throw up those late back-footed heaves when you have 30 seconds left and no timeouts. Those are plays where you pray for a miracle and expect the INT. But Carson didn’t need to gamble there.

    ===========

    I’ll have to re-watch that play, but first glance, it didn’t look like a gamble. 1st pass was about 4 inches shy of being a completion to Streater. ON the INT, the ball looked like a lame duck. Either he lost his grip on it while in motion, or his arm got hit while throwing. Either way the ball didn’t look like it was flying right. the other side is, we’ve seen some uncharacteristic play from DMoore…He’s been out of position more than once, in this game even. Plus how many drops that were right on the money? Coulda been a number of factors on that last pick. Believe me, I was completely deflated…..But up until then I’d seen something I hadn’t witnessed in quite awhile. A QB in CHARGE; shouting orders, calling audibles, pointing out defenders, getting guys up to the line of scrimmage AND getting us in the endzone. I’d written them off in the 3rd qtr. Palmer “Almost” led one of the best come backs of the last decade. Sh*t, he made ME beleive….I roll with Carson.

  • mcfadden20.

    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:53 am

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:48 am
    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:45 am

    http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/55195/vick-suffers-from-poor-offensive-line-play

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    For the stat geeks who really believe Mike Vick should be benched.

    ===

    but we got HOF OLINE and HALL OF RB’s AND WR for the reason Palmer should be cut for not succeeding

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    When did I say Palmer should be cut???? Or even benched for that matter?? But he’s playing with an OL that’s a hell of a lot better than what Vick has.

    Hell of a lot better than VICK ? wow , and lemme guess Moore and DHB are hell of a lot better than Maclin and the other guy i forgot his name

  • mcfadden20.

    new post

  • Just Fire Baby

    Not sure why people didn’t like the onside kick attempt.

    We were fresh off our defense giving up 150 yards rushing on the previous 2 plays, lol.

    And we didn’t even give up any points as Freeman botched the handoff a few plays later.

    Was absolutely the right call.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    What would be helpful is for the offense to come out of the gate swinging.

    I HATE that it takes 3 quarters b4 the offense really gets in gear. Its ridiculous.

    Maybe if this team could play with a ficken lead for a change, it would alter the playcalling of the opponent…put them in obvious pass situations…not that our talented defense is great at that. Our run d is AWFUL! Historic levels awful!

    The run d was solely responsible for this loss

  • RockyMountainRaider

    Not sure why people didn’t like the onside kick attempt.

    We were fresh off our defense giving up 150 yards rushing on the previous 2 plays, lol.

    And we didn’t even give up any points as Freeman botched the handoff a few plays later.

    Was absolutely the right call.
    ——————————————————-
    I missed if SeBass did his crazy thing where he puts the ball sideways, dont like it.

  • qodrn1

    I love it when Cork uses the word “cobbled!”