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Postgame notes, quotes and observations on Raiders-Bucs game

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, November 4th, 2012 at 7:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.

At one point Sunday, things looked promising for the Raiders. The Denver Broncos trailed the Cincinnati Bengals 20-17 in the fourth quarter and the Raiders seemed poised to forge a first-place tie in the AFC West with a victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaners.
Then, the Broncos rallied for a 31-23 victory and the Raiders got run over by rookie running back Doug Martin and the Buccaneers at the Coliseum in a 42-32 loss.
Now, the Raiders are at 3-5, two games behind the Broncos and one game behind the San Diego Chargers in the AFC West, with losses against both teams, to boot.
How they got here is quite mind-boggling. The Raiders entered the locker room with a 10-7 lead, only to watch the Buccaneers score five touchdowns in the second half, three on runs of 45, 67 and 70 yards by Martin.
“We didn’t make enough plays to win the game but we were successful moving the football,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “Our team hung in there, our team battled. We tried to make a comeback and came up a little bit short.”
That the Raiders were even in the game at the end is somewhat remarkable.
The Buccaneers led 35-17 in the fourth quarter before the Raiders mounted a furious comeback.
Quarterback Carson Palmer cobbled together back-to-back drives that netted two touchdowns and 145 yards on 18 plays to make it 35-32. Then, they got the ball back with 2 minutes, 42 seconds left at their own 36-yard line.
Surely, the Raiders would navigate their way into Sebastian Janikowski’s field-goal range — about 20 yards — and then take a few shots at a touchdown.
No. That wasn’t the plan. The Raiders had the Bucs defense on its heels, and they wanted to finish it off right then and there.
“We were trying to win the game,” Allen said. “We were definitely trying to win the game and, obviously, we didn’t execute good enough and weren’t able to do it.”
Palmer launched back-to-back 20-yard passes, the first for wide receiver Rod Streater, the second for receiver Denarius Moore.
Palmer’s first pass fell incomplete. His second pass fell into the hands of Bucs safety Ahmad Black, who returned the ball 34 yards. Martin sealed the outcome with his fourth touchdown three plays later.
“Obviously, to come back and then to not finish a team, it was difficult,” Palmer said. “But we fought, showed a lot of heart. But didn’t make enough plays when it was all said and done.”

– Martin finished with 251 yards rushing, with 220 of that coming in the second half and 182 of that 220 on the three long touchdown runs.
Not what many expected from a Raiders defense that played well against the run in recent games. The Raiders entered the game having allowed an average of 102.1 yards their first seven games, at an average of 3.9 per carry.
The Bucs amassed 278 yards and 8.7 per carry.
It was all a bit much for Raiders cornerback Michael Huff to digest, especially when he predicted the Raiders would be a top-five defense this season.
“I still don’t know what really happened,” Huff said. “We played so well in the first half; we gave up a few big plays but nothing really to beat us. Then the second half was kind of a snowball effect. We couldn’t stop the run, we couldn’t stop the pass.”
Martin is an Oakland native. His career game came before numerous family members, friends and former coaches.
“It’s awesome,” Martin said. “Words can’t describe it. I had a lot of family and friends, and high school teammates, schoolmates and teachers. It’s just indescribable.”

– The Raiders allowed 515 yards on Sunday. That’s quite a contrast to the previous three games when the Raiders held their opponents under 300 yards in each game.
Missed tackles, an inability to pressure quarterback Josh Freeman on a consistent basis, missed tackles, blown coverages, you name it, there’s plenty of blame to go around.
“We didn’t tackle well,” Allen said. “They did a good job of blocking, the runner did a great job of running, and we had an opportunity to make a few plays and missed some tackles. And when you miss tackles on that guy, he takes it for big gains and that’s exactly what happened.”

– Raiders tight end Brandon Myers scored two of Oakland’s four touchdowns Sunday.
Go figure. Myers entered the game without a touchdown during his 3 1/2-year NFL career. Overall, Myers finished with eight receptions for 59 yards in his breakout season as the Raiders starting tight end.

– Palmer passed for 414 yards and four touchdowns. However, he also had three of his 61 passes intercepted, including the one that ended their comeback.
Palmer came within 4 yards of breaking his Raiders record and 11 of setting the Raiders franchise record, set by Jeff Hostetler.
He took the blame making poor throws and decisions on the interceptions. In the locker room, he received nothing but praise for bringing back the Raiders from a huge deficit.
“Obviously, you can sit back and wish you did it differently after a loss; and after a win, everything looks right,” Palmer said. “We had some critical errors. I had some critical errors.”
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey said Palmer had the players believing the whole time.
“Carson’s the type of guy, he has the talent to bring us back,” Heyward-Bey said. “But it’s all about his leadership. The stuff he was staying in the huddle, just keeping us into the game, making us believe we could make a play.
“At first he was like, ‘We just need one. Now we need two.’ We went out there and tried to make it happen but, unfortunately, we just ended up on the wrong end.”

– Defensive lineman Desmond Bryant was taken to a local hospital with an accelerated heartbeat early in the second half, a team official said.
The official said Bryant was taken to the hospital as a precautionary measure. No other update was provided.

– Lamarr Houston turned in the key play on special teams when he blocked a field-goal attempt in the first quarter and returned it 34 yards.
The Raiders cashed in the drive with a Janikowski field goal.
It turned out to be a mixed bag on special teams play overall.
Shane Lechler faked a punt in the second quarter, throwing a short pass to running back Taiwan Jones. The Bucs sniffed out the fake, tackled Jones well shy of the first-down marker and took over on downs.
“It’s part of some things that we have in our arsenal,” Allen said. “They brought the gunner in and they did a nice job of adjusting back out and they made the play and we didn’t.”

– Running back Darren McFadden rushed for 17 yards on seven carries before leaving the game with a right ankle injury.
“I’m not really sure the extent of it,” Allen said. “The X-rays were negative but, obviously. we’ll have to take a look at it and see where he’s at.”
Making matters worse, backup back Mike Goodson also suffered an ankle injury, and he wasn’t able to finish the game.
Allen said Goodson did not receive X-rays on his ankle.
For now, the Raiders might be looking at more of Jones and fullback Marcel Reece if McFadden and Goodson aren’t able to play next Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens.
They also have the potential to sign a free agent or sign rookie Jeremy Stewart from their practice squad.

– The Buccaneers beat the Raiders at home for the firs time in six tries. Overall, the Raiders lead the series 6-3, including a loss in the Super Bowl at the end of the 2002 season.

– Huff and Moore had games they would just as soon forget.
Huff got beat by receivers Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams for touchdowns, and he was part of a duo that got beat by Jackson on a 64-yard pass a few plays before he got behind Huff for a 20-yard touchdown.
Huff also gambled on an out route to Williams that quarterback Josh Freeman delivered just out of Huff’s reach, with Williams turning the short reception into a long gain.
Moore caught only four of the nine passes thrown his way. It looked as if he and Palmer were out of synch more times than they were on the same page.
One play, Palmer sailed a pass 25-30 yards over Moore’s head, perhaps expecting Moore to keep running. A couple of other passes hit off Moore’s hands and went incomplete.

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  • mcfadden20.

    Plunketthead Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Its a team loss fellas. You cannot blame it on any single person.

    Slowlondo might become a very good MLB if he has a huge run stuffer sitting in the middle of the line.

    Ray Lewis had two bad years after a run of pro bowls and wanted to be traded if Ravens did not draft another run clogging center. He got another one and the rest is history.

    Point is all the players have to be above average. Our entire team is BELOW average with the exception of a handful

    ———–

    That’s true , our secondary f8kin s9cks hence, we never saw 8 man in the box to stop martin because they were worried about getting beat in the air

  • J Hill

    All you can ask for is to be in a position to win at the end.

    I know it would be nice tp hold every back to 50 yds a game.

    Shut down pro bowl WRs all day.

    The reality is there are some pretty damn good players and coaches in this league. There are going to be close games, low scoring, high scoring, and the likes.

    Again, all you can ask is to be there at the end with a chance to win.

    We should be 5-3 folks!

  • mcfadden20.

    Safeties let a guy run past them on a 3rd and forever, how the hell do you do that?

  • nycraider

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am
    nycraider Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Carson palmer is number 7 in league with respect to completed passes. our best WR is 56th in the league in receptions.. Carson palmer is 9th in league with respect to passing yards. Our best WR is 33rd in the league. Imagine if Carson actually had some legit WRs to work with.

    —-
    Still say the play call would have been different , with receivers who knew how to run different routes, we can only run a go route , which is the reason for the int
    ——————————
    i agree, but we didnt want to bring in a vet WR for some reason. Our Wrs are a big reason we are 3-5 and not 5-3

  • boss01

    Slowlondo might become a very good MLB if he has a huge run stuffer sitting in the middle of the line.

    ==============

    Slowlando can be behind the fearsome foursome and still suck @$$ out there.

  • Marks hair

    The only thing that would have helped mark is the top pick or the playoffs. Anything else only lowers the value of his team.. Attendance will continue to drop

  • mcfadden20.

    I still like this team , because with Palmer i believe we have chance to win games , even if our receivers and rbs and rest of the team S9ckks

  • mcfadden20.

    nycraider Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:10 am

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:07 am
    nycraider Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:06 am

    Carson palmer is number 7 in league with respect to completed passes. our best WR is 56th in the league in receptions.. Carson palmer is 9th in league with respect to passing yards. Our best WR is 33rd in the league. Imagine if Carson actually had some legit WRs to work with.

    —-
    Still say the play call would have been different , with receivers who knew how to run different routes, we can only run a go route , which is the reason for the int
    ——————————
    i agree, but we didnt want to bring in a vet WR for some reason. Our Wrs are a big reason we are 3-5 and not 5-3

    ——-
    Yeah, these guys give up the routes , hence why all those sidelines passes get picked off , these guys s8ck, yet some how people want to say moore will start for any other team as well

  • oakfoshow

    Need alot of draft picks.D-tackle is the absolute #1 priority in this years draft.Need to find away to recover that #2 pick.Trade Mcfadden and Mclain.

  • KRAWFDADD

    Throw it away and live to see another down with 242 on the clock and 2 timeouts and the 2 min warning

  • nycraider

    Marks Hair Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am
    The only thing that would have helped mark is the top pick or the playoffs. Anything else only lowers the value of his team.. Attendance will continue to drop
    ——————-
    we are 2 games behind the colts , 1 game game behind the dolphins and chargers for the last wild card. there are 8 games left to play. yesterday was a tough loss but im not ready to quit on the season

  • Marks hair

    TP time. Seasons long over. We can still get a decent pick

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks hair Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:11 am

    The only thing that would have helped mark is the top pick or the playoffs. Anything else only lowers the value of his team.. Attendance will continue to drop

    Can you just stfu with the top pick, We have so many holes in our team , 1 pick wouldn’t do anything , and plus you should only get a top pick if u really need a QB, but we don’t need a QB, we’re set at that position

  • guest123

    KRAWFDADD Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Throw it away and live to see another down with 242 on the clock and 2 timeouts and the 2 min warning

    ********

    AGREE!

  • J Hill

    D-tackle is the absolute #1 priority in this years draft

    ————————————————————–

    Hard to disagree with this.

    First big run by Martin, Bryant and Houston were at DT. The hole was ridiculous.

    Seymour will retire.

    Kelly will be a year older.

  • Plunketthead

    J Hill Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:10 am
    All you can ask for is to be in a position to win at the end.
    +++++++++++++++++++

    True! CP and company have us scoring points in the fourth. Its exciting the past few weeks, thats for sure

  • Marks hair

    The records dont matter……. we stink. Cant you smell it..? We are no playoff team. Its tp time. Lets get a good pick.

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks hair Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:14 am

    TP time. Seasons long over. We can still get a decent pick


    You’re the most negative person i ever seen on this blog ever , season is over , when we were only a couple of plays away from winning again? really? you want to f8kin give up on the season to see what TP has, who may or may not turn out like the way we want, then get then take a gamble on a QB next year, who again may or may not turn out to be like what we expected, yeah lets do all that instead of stick with the sure thing and work on other obvious weaknesses around our team

  • KRAWFDADD

    Yes we got ran over around and thru,but we got a stop when we needed it.Football is a game of momentum and execution,the fact that Martin gashed us for 251 was irrelevant when we got that stop and put the ball back in Carsons hands,I cant blame it all on Carson but I sure wouldnt have been mad had he caught Campbell fever and checked it down or threw it away so that we could run another play.Would any of you???

  • boss01

    I would not be against a DT as the 1st pick.

    But we desperately need a new right tackle or center.

  • mcfadden20.

    I don’t think he could have thrown at away, he was inside the hash lines – what ever u call them , and he got pressure on him real quick , so he thought streater would go and get it , still think that was a result of a tired arm or he got hit on the throw

  • nycraider

    Guest123 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:15 am
    KRAWFDADD Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Throw it away and live to see another down with 242 on the clock and 2 timeouts and the 2 min warning

    ********

    AGREE!
    ————–
    Palmer had 39 completions..how many times was a WR wide open? maybe 5 or 6? our receivers dont create separation. he was forcing throws all day..he had too..if he didnt make quick decision he wouldnt be standing today because his line is horrible.

  • R8ER MIKE

    O..Mr V.P.
    sorry for your loss brother.

  • Marks hair

    663. Thats the dumbest post ever..
    You get the top pick in every rd.. barring trades
    You can trade the top pick for extra picks.
    You can use your top pick on a superstar. We dont have any bye the way…

  • hwnrdr

    Palmer and the coaches test in now! No running backs, but Bartell coming back. We may never see Curry again, although why not? Let’s see what happens next week in Baltimore. Ed Reed may have a field day considering he now knows that we have to pass! Like I said, here is the real test to see if the coaches can so something with little!

  • J Hill

    but I sure wouldnt have been mad had he caught Campbell fever and checked it down

    ————————————————————-

    BINGO!!!

    2 long passes right off the bat???

    Carson was playing like we had 30 seconds left and no TOs!

    And let’s not get ridiculous here and start talking about Pryor. Carson just nees to play better. 2 games outta the wild card, I believe.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Jhill,

    True enough. However, carson has been playing like a top tier QB. We are picking at a couple mistakes from him that also lay at the feet of a suspect running gm and receivers that are not the complete package.

    The defense is the opposite. A couple of good plays that are lost with a litany of bad and substandard play.

    A strong defense and we are .500. That was one of the worst run defense performances in recent “NFL” memory. Can’t win with that

    Ray Rice is similiar build to Martin and the Ravens aren’t missing their Pro-Bowl guards to injury like Tampa was.

    Can’t stop the run and get cooked on playaction. Million Dollar players not making plays

  • guest123

    I cant blame it all on Carson but I sure wouldnt have been mad had he caught Campbell fever and checked it down or threw it away so that we could run another play.Would any of you???

    **********

    Nope. I’m all for Carson making wild attempts off his back foot under duress when the game is under a minute and no timeouts and we need a score. You take your chances and know that the odds are stacked against you. It’s entirely different in the early downs in good field position and 2 timeouts plus the 2 minute warning. You only need to move the ball about 30 yards to secure a tying FG and there’s plenty of time to methodically dink and dunk down the field for a game winning TD. And if that fails and the defense tightens up, at least force OT.

    The down and distance and time on the clock and TO situation should have been on Carson’s mind to know when to eat the ball or throw it away.

  • KRAWFDADD

    @ McFadden 20 throw it high and out of bounds n the direction of your reciever and if they hit hit with intentional grounding still had what 2,3 downs to get it back

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks hair Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:20 am

    663. Thats the dumbest post ever..
    You get the top pick in every rd.. barring trades
    You can trade the top pick for extra picks.
    You can use your top pick on a superstar. We dont have any bye the way…

    Yeah , lets start a back up QB midway through the season when we’re only a game out of wildcard , that sends a pretty good message to our team , that will settle well with all the players who are going to come back next year, let’s all do that for unknown picks, who may or may not turn out to be what we expected of them , but hey lets just do that for the sake of doing that, awesome mind you have

  • Carl Weathers

    Michelle Williams. She is a fan of the raiders i guess by looking at her friends, Facebook keeps suggesting I friend her. Look her up, great ass!

  • Marks hair

    As i told you weeks and weeks ago macfadden20, i can see this team sucks.. i just know whats going to happen. So i dont care if we are only 2 games out.. we

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    TP time? LOL, what team do you follow? he isn’t even dressing.

    This coaching staff aint pulling a Shell II, and lame ducking it. Put on your seat belt fellas, we are 2 games out of the wild card and we got a QB who can keep em close.

  • nycraider

    with all other needs , we wont be drafting a QB ..palmer has at least 3 years left. cant believe the focus is on cp3 today..crazy.

  • Carl Weathers

    J Hill Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:21 am
    but I sure wouldnt have been mad had he caught Campbell fever and checked it down

    ————————————————————-

    BINGO!!!

    2 long passes right off the bat???

    Carson was playing like we had 30 seconds left and no TOs!

    @@@@@@@

    A real head scratcher. 20 yards strikes when they should be raking the clock down to nothing as they approach the endzone.

  • mcfadden20.

    KRAWFDADD Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:24 am

    @ McFadden 20 throw it high and out of bounds n the direction of your reciever and if they hit hit with intentional grounding still had what 2,3 downs to get it back

    —-

    I don’t know what really happened on that play to be honest with you , that was way off his mark , tired arm , or he got hit on the throw , i don’t know what it was , but they were just so content with beating them with deep passes and never even thought about calling a rb draw or a screen

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    guest123 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:03 am

    Marks hair Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:01 am
    Onside kick and fake punt…… smh

    **********

    I wonder why. Aren’t you cheering for the Raiders to lose?
    =================================

    I wonder why that clown is even here. He should be on the Whiner site.

  • Marks hair

    Do you guys know what rebuilding means? It means your not close to contention. It means you need lots of new players. Better ones.. wakey wakey. This is not a good team

  • hwnrdr

    I like the running back draw, but…
    to who? Maybe Reese, but…

  • Marks hair

    I just dont like endless mediocrity as much as some of you do. Ill take a 1-15 season if I don’t have to sit through another 11 years of non winning seasons.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Step one is finding a replacement back. Right there is an improvement.

  • hwnrdr

    Mark i do get your point on rebuilding and all that but, I don’t think I have ever seen any professional team tank games to get a good draft pick. Unless of course they are rebelling against the coach(es). But, I don’t see that as of now…so they are playing to win, whether you agree with that or not, that is what its going to be!

  • hwnrdr

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 9:36 am
    Step one is finding a replacement back. Right there is an improvement.

    Amen!

  • Marks hair

    Boo tp we want to go 7-9!

  • KRAWFDADD

    Seymore is an aging vet of course he’s going to get tired and he has chronic knee pain that he is fighting thru but he brought toughness and experience to this team and Houston has benefitted greatly Shaunessey need to step up to the plate be an impact de

  • Marks hair

    Boo trading dmac we want to go 7-9!!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    I am much more disappointed in Shaughnessy’s season than Seymour or Kelly. 77 really has not done much out there.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Go out and sign a 240 pound back. Those guys are tailored for Knapp’s 2 yard runs on 1st down.

    Trade DMAC…who would want him?

  • Charlie

    As Herm said, “You play to win the game!

    For better or for worse we are supposed to be Raider fans.
    We are covering for Dline inadequacies by throwing 8 in the box. (Branch led the team with 11 tackles) and some pinheads on this blog are criticizing our DB’s.
    Tarver is mixing everything imaginable and we still get EMBARRASSED by a rookie running back.
    (I told you guys scheme etc. is BS, we need better defensive players).

    Knowledgable Raider fans see this year and next as rebuilding years. We have not been able to beat good football teams in a decade. We have been pathetic.

    Dennis Allen has a four year contract for a reason.

  • inonewordraider

    we suck again. I’ve been driving the CP bandwagon but critical mistake when all we have to do is get past the 50 for big Jano to send it into OT. I was saying how if our D keeps playing how it had the last 3, it could be the best D we’ve had since i can remember… scratch that. no way we’re keeping up with Den, that means i gotta start paying attention to basketball now, sucks