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Postgame notes, quotes and observations on Raiders-Bucs game

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, November 4th, 2012 at 7:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.

At one point Sunday, things looked promising for the Raiders. The Denver Broncos trailed the Cincinnati Bengals 20-17 in the fourth quarter and the Raiders seemed poised to forge a first-place tie in the AFC West with a victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaners.
Then, the Broncos rallied for a 31-23 victory and the Raiders got run over by rookie running back Doug Martin and the Buccaneers at the Coliseum in a 42-32 loss.
Now, the Raiders are at 3-5, two games behind the Broncos and one game behind the San Diego Chargers in the AFC West, with losses against both teams, to boot.
How they got here is quite mind-boggling. The Raiders entered the locker room with a 10-7 lead, only to watch the Buccaneers score five touchdowns in the second half, three on runs of 45, 67 and 70 yards by Martin.
“We didn’t make enough plays to win the game but we were successful moving the football,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “Our team hung in there, our team battled. We tried to make a comeback and came up a little bit short.”
That the Raiders were even in the game at the end is somewhat remarkable.
The Buccaneers led 35-17 in the fourth quarter before the Raiders mounted a furious comeback.
Quarterback Carson Palmer cobbled together back-to-back drives that netted two touchdowns and 145 yards on 18 plays to make it 35-32. Then, they got the ball back with 2 minutes, 42 seconds left at their own 36-yard line.
Surely, the Raiders would navigate their way into Sebastian Janikowski’s field-goal range — about 20 yards — and then take a few shots at a touchdown.
No. That wasn’t the plan. The Raiders had the Bucs defense on its heels, and they wanted to finish it off right then and there.
“We were trying to win the game,” Allen said. “We were definitely trying to win the game and, obviously, we didn’t execute good enough and weren’t able to do it.”
Palmer launched back-to-back 20-yard passes, the first for wide receiver Rod Streater, the second for receiver Denarius Moore.
Palmer’s first pass fell incomplete. His second pass fell into the hands of Bucs safety Ahmad Black, who returned the ball 34 yards. Martin sealed the outcome with his fourth touchdown three plays later.
“Obviously, to come back and then to not finish a team, it was difficult,” Palmer said. “But we fought, showed a lot of heart. But didn’t make enough plays when it was all said and done.”

– Martin finished with 251 yards rushing, with 220 of that coming in the second half and 182 of that 220 on the three long touchdown runs.
Not what many expected from a Raiders defense that played well against the run in recent games. The Raiders entered the game having allowed an average of 102.1 yards their first seven games, at an average of 3.9 per carry.
The Bucs amassed 278 yards and 8.7 per carry.
It was all a bit much for Raiders cornerback Michael Huff to digest, especially when he predicted the Raiders would be a top-five defense this season.
“I still don’t know what really happened,” Huff said. “We played so well in the first half; we gave up a few big plays but nothing really to beat us. Then the second half was kind of a snowball effect. We couldn’t stop the run, we couldn’t stop the pass.”
Martin is an Oakland native. His career game came before numerous family members, friends and former coaches.
“It’s awesome,” Martin said. “Words can’t describe it. I had a lot of family and friends, and high school teammates, schoolmates and teachers. It’s just indescribable.”

– The Raiders allowed 515 yards on Sunday. That’s quite a contrast to the previous three games when the Raiders held their opponents under 300 yards in each game.
Missed tackles, an inability to pressure quarterback Josh Freeman on a consistent basis, missed tackles, blown coverages, you name it, there’s plenty of blame to go around.
“We didn’t tackle well,” Allen said. “They did a good job of blocking, the runner did a great job of running, and we had an opportunity to make a few plays and missed some tackles. And when you miss tackles on that guy, he takes it for big gains and that’s exactly what happened.”

– Raiders tight end Brandon Myers scored two of Oakland’s four touchdowns Sunday.
Go figure. Myers entered the game without a touchdown during his 3 1/2-year NFL career. Overall, Myers finished with eight receptions for 59 yards in his breakout season as the Raiders starting tight end.

– Palmer passed for 414 yards and four touchdowns. However, he also had three of his 61 passes intercepted, including the one that ended their comeback.
Palmer came within 4 yards of breaking his Raiders record and 11 of setting the Raiders franchise record, set by Jeff Hostetler.
He took the blame making poor throws and decisions on the interceptions. In the locker room, he received nothing but praise for bringing back the Raiders from a huge deficit.
“Obviously, you can sit back and wish you did it differently after a loss; and after a win, everything looks right,” Palmer said. “We had some critical errors. I had some critical errors.”
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey said Palmer had the players believing the whole time.
“Carson’s the type of guy, he has the talent to bring us back,” Heyward-Bey said. “But it’s all about his leadership. The stuff he was staying in the huddle, just keeping us into the game, making us believe we could make a play.
“At first he was like, ‘We just need one. Now we need two.’ We went out there and tried to make it happen but, unfortunately, we just ended up on the wrong end.”

– Defensive lineman Desmond Bryant was taken to a local hospital with an accelerated heartbeat early in the second half, a team official said.
The official said Bryant was taken to the hospital as a precautionary measure. No other update was provided.

– Lamarr Houston turned in the key play on special teams when he blocked a field-goal attempt in the first quarter and returned it 34 yards.
The Raiders cashed in the drive with a Janikowski field goal.
It turned out to be a mixed bag on special teams play overall.
Shane Lechler faked a punt in the second quarter, throwing a short pass to running back Taiwan Jones. The Bucs sniffed out the fake, tackled Jones well shy of the first-down marker and took over on downs.
“It’s part of some things that we have in our arsenal,” Allen said. “They brought the gunner in and they did a nice job of adjusting back out and they made the play and we didn’t.”

– Running back Darren McFadden rushed for 17 yards on seven carries before leaving the game with a right ankle injury.
“I’m not really sure the extent of it,” Allen said. “The X-rays were negative but, obviously. we’ll have to take a look at it and see where he’s at.”
Making matters worse, backup back Mike Goodson also suffered an ankle injury, and he wasn’t able to finish the game.
Allen said Goodson did not receive X-rays on his ankle.
For now, the Raiders might be looking at more of Jones and fullback Marcel Reece if McFadden and Goodson aren’t able to play next Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens.
They also have the potential to sign a free agent or sign rookie Jeremy Stewart from their practice squad.

– The Buccaneers beat the Raiders at home for the firs time in six tries. Overall, the Raiders lead the series 6-3, including a loss in the Super Bowl at the end of the 2002 season.

– Huff and Moore had games they would just as soon forget.
Huff got beat by receivers Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams for touchdowns, and he was part of a duo that got beat by Jackson on a 64-yard pass a few plays before he got behind Huff for a 20-yard touchdown.
Huff also gambled on an out route to Williams that quarterback Josh Freeman delivered just out of Huff’s reach, with Williams turning the short reception into a long gain.
Moore caught only four of the nine passes thrown his way. It looked as if he and Palmer were out of synch more times than they were on the same page.
One play, Palmer sailed a pass 25-30 yards over Moore’s head, perhaps expecting Moore to keep running. A couple of other passes hit off Moore’s hands and went incomplete.

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  • RaiderDebo

    hwnrdr Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Debo, I seem to remember our D that game beating Philly. mcNabb was sacked 6 times and couldn’t do crap. But yet, they still had a chance to come back and win because our O kept stalling…and that td pass to Zach Miller was ridiculous for the D’s part! That was one of the few games that the D stepped it up! Maybe because of the pigeon???
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Are you kidding me?? Now we’re taking away the dude’s wins as well? Every QB needs it’s D to play well. Just ask Eli, Cutler, Flacco and Big Ben. The few times JR got a little support from our decades-long schitty D, he made the plays to win the game. Clutch as hell, just like he was at LSU. And if you think Palmer is suffering with these receivers, try to remember what JR had in 2009. DHB couldn’t catch a moonball with TWO hands back then let alone one-handed circus catches like the one yesterday. Poor JaMarcus!

  • The Big Banana

    MistaBrown Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:02 am
    I haven’t watched the game on TV yet but it looked like D Moore ran the wrong route more than 1 time yesterday leaving Palmer hanging out to dry.

    ———-

    I thought the 2nd play of the game could have been a TD if Moore keeps running like Palmer expected him to. Hard to tell if ball would have been on target but he had his man beat.

  • guest123

    In that down and distance situation, with the predictable bumrush push the Tampa DL was getting on Carson, he should have had an internal clock, make his first and second reads and if it wasn’t there dump it on the ground in front of the RB and stop the clock, and try again. After enough time has passed and the protection is gone, Carson needs to give up on that throw and live for another play. That’s 4 down territory anyway and still plenty of time to convert a play.

    You throw up those late back-footed heaves when you have 30 seconds left and no timeouts. Those are plays where you pray for a miracle and expect the INT. But Carson didn’t need to gamble there.

  • RaidingTexas

    Been hearing this same ol’ crap all day on the radio:

    The WRs suck, can’t get open, drop balls.
    The QB throws too many picks.
    The defense is completely devoid of talent.
    The running game is awful.
    The offensive line can’t block.
    Let the QB call the plays, not the coach – it works better.

    Funny thing is, they’re talking about the Cowboys.

  • Marks hair

    744. We already know whitch starters to keep.

  • mcfadden20.

    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    hwnrdr Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Debo, I seem to remember our D that game beating Philly. mcNabb was sacked 6 times and couldn’t do crap. But yet, they still had a chance to come back and win because our O kept stalling…and that td pass to Zach Miller was ridiculous for the D’s part! That was one of the few games that the D stepped it up! Maybe because of the pigeon???
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Are you kidding me?? Now we’re taking away the dude’s wins as well? Every QB needs it’s D to play well. Just ask Eli, Cutler, Flacco and Big Ben. The few times JR got a little support from our decades-long schitty D, he made the plays to win the game. Clutch as hell, just like he was at LSU. And if you think Palmer is suffering with these receivers, try to remember what JR had in 2009. DHB couldn’t catch a moonball with TWO hands back then let alone one-handed circus catches like the one yesterday. Poor JaMarcus!

    —-
    Hey what’s up Mistic , how’s Jamarcus and J Campbell doing ?

  • guest123

    754. At least the Cowgirls have accumulated talent on that team and the coaching sucks. We don’t have that as an excuse.

  • VanHeathen30

    22 yards total rushing says it all…

  • The Big Banana

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 4th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
    Palmer threw an INT that ended the comeback. W/O Palmer, we wouldn’t have even been in that position. Raiders lost for one reason. The defense couldn’t stop Martin. STFU about Palmer. This team has much bigger problems. Raiders still don’t have enough quality players thanks to Al.

    ———–

    Exactly. Simpleton fan will ALWAYS blame the QB.

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks hair Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    744. We already know whitch starters to keep.

    —-

    No we don’t and we don’t have any back ups to start over anyone , TP isn’t even a back up behind Palmer , he’s inactive most of the games, you want to start him ?

  • Dakota

    Three reasons Romney will win on Tuesday:

    1. Polls using 2008 voter turnout assumptions are very likely to be incorrect, as voter enthusiasm among many categories that turned out heavily for Ob@ma appears way down;

    2. The undecided vote almost always goes to the challenger when running against an incumbent president, so a 47-47 tie with 6% undecided will go to Romney;

    3. Republicans always outperform polls because they tend not to answer when pollsters call, but they still go out to vote on election day.

    So you see any poll where Romney is tied or within a point or two of the president, Romney will easily win that state.

    Sorry guys, this one is already in the books.

  • RaiderDebo

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    hwnrdr Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Debo, I seem to remember our D that game beating Philly. mcNabb was sacked 6 times and couldn’t do crap. But yet, they still had a chance to come back and win because our O kept stalling…and that td pass to Zach Miller was ridiculous for the D’s part! That was one of the few games that the D stepped it up! Maybe because of the pigeon???
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Are you kidding me?? Now we’re taking away the dude’s wins as well? Every QB needs it’s D to play well. Just ask Eli, Cutler, Flacco and Big Ben. The few times JR got a little support from our decades-long schitty D, he made the plays to win the game. Clutch as hell, just like he was at LSU. And if you think Palmer is suffering with these receivers, try to remember what JR had in 2009. DHB couldn’t catch a moonball with TWO hands back then let alone one-handed circus catches like the one yesterday. Poor JaMarcus!

    —-
    Hey what’s up Mistic , how’s Jamarcus and J Campbell doing ?
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    I’m honored that you think I’m Mistic. He obviously knows more about football than 90% of the posters on here combined. I think I do too. And I’m sure JaMarcus is doing quite well.

  • guest123

    There is a stat that correlates the Washington Redskins wins/losses prior to election day. According to the predictor, if Carolina beat Washington, the incumbent wins. If Washington beats Carolina, then the incumbent loses.

    Carolina won yesterday. 4 more years fellas….

    The stat has been proven true 18 out of 19 elections.

  • RaiderDebo

    guest123 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    754. At least the Cowgirls have accumulated talent on that team and the coaching sucks. We don’t have that as an excuse.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Agreed. Watching that team play, talent is the least of its problems.

  • Kirk

    The Raiders made strategic mistakes on defense which led to the big runs. They started bringing everyone up to the line and using five man fronts. This doesn’t work because if there is one crack of daylight, there is no one back to cover. Field balance is important on defense.

  • The Big Banana

    Inexperienced/inconsistent WRs
    Ineffective run game
    Defense that showed promise against the run and regressed terribly
    And a QB that had to put the offense on his shoulders on a weekly basis

    These are our Raiders, folks. It is what it is.

  • Raider-in-PA

    For every 2 good reads Palmer makes, he makes 1 horrible one… At times the guy looks like a great QB, but at the worst times, he doesnt…

    Wish ‘Cue’ didnt put all of RIP Al’s eggs in one basket..

  • Raider-in-PA

    It wasnt all on Palmer though… Where in the hell were our safeties??

  • Dakota

    764.guest123 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:45 am
    There is a stat that correlates the Washington Redskins wins/losses prior to election day. According to the predictor, if Carolina beat Washington, the incumbent wins. If Washington beats Carolina, then the incumbent loses.

    Carolina won yesterday. 4 more years fellas….

    The stat has been proven true 18 out of 19 elections.
    ++++++++++++

    Wrong

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20823348/redskins-lose-to-panthers-redskins-rule-says-mitt-romney-will-be-president-

  • guest123

    It wasnt all on Palmer though… Where in the hell were our safeties??

    ***********
    good question. especially on those long TD runs.

  • mcfadden20.

    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:44 am

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:40 am
    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:37 am

    hwnrdr Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:27 am
    Debo, I seem to remember our D that game beating Philly. mcNabb was sacked 6 times and couldn’t do crap. But yet, they still had a chance to come back and win because our O kept stalling…and that td pass to Zach Miller was ridiculous for the D’s part! That was one of the few games that the D stepped it up! Maybe because of the pigeon???
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Are you kidding me?? Now we’re taking away the dude’s wins as well? Every QB needs it’s D to play well. Just ask Eli, Cutler, Flacco and Big Ben. The few times JR got a little support from our decades-long schitty D, he made the plays to win the game. Clutch as hell, just like he was at LSU. And if you think Palmer is suffering with these receivers, try to remember what JR had in 2009. DHB couldn’t catch a moonball with TWO hands back then let alone one-handed circus catches like the one yesterday. Poor JaMarcus!

    —-
    Hey what’s up Mistic , how’s Jamarcus and J Campbell doing ?
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    I’m honored that you think I’m Mistic. He obviously knows more about football than 90% of the posters on here combined. I think I do too. And I’m sure JaMarcus is doing quite well.


    Way to praise yourself Mistic, hahaha, and no i meant how are the QB’s you support doing in the NFL , which teams are they leading to playoffs ?

  • guest123

    770, I heard it the other way on the Redzone channel. Guess that’s a good indicator for your boy.

    I don’t like your boy and I never will. Not that I’m all about BHO either, but is the lesser of 2 evils.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Just took another look at parts of the game from yesterday, and man it doesnt get any better the second time around.

    Freeman was exceptional, breaking the pocket picking up yardage with his feet. he was smooth in his progressions and smart with the ball, and of course the deep strikes were beautiful.

    palmer on the other hand was errant and wild from the start. he threw where there where no raiders, or several defenders and was lucky that at least 3 ther passes were not picked. im noticing a disturbing trend as he is now wildly flinging the ball again and has gone away fromn the dink and dunk stuff that helps him be at least decent.

    Those second half ints were brutal, and not one of them was anywhere near being a complted pass to our guys.

    palmer looked like christian ponder or blain gabbert, he looked lost and clueless.

    he walked off the field after his final pathetic pass attempt witha badly wounded expression on his face, and his shoulders slumped like a defeated flea ridden dog. I think he knows that he just threw away the game..again, and he also threw away that shiny 13 mil he hoped for next year.

    Talk about a major flop job, at home no less

    freeman > palmer and it isnt close

  • The Big Banana

    Woulda, coulda, shoulda summary:

    Our D holds Martin to just a good game instead of a career day. We win. End of story. Defense lost this game.

  • Dakota

    Carson Palmer had nothing to do with our wonderful, supposedly improving, defense giving up 1000 yards to some no-name RB.

    Carson Palmer has had nothing to do with an o-line that blows goats.

    As I said before the season started, Palmer should have come into 2012 as a QB who just gave enough of a threat to throw the ball down field that it would soften things up for our running game, and in the event that we needed him to dive us down the field late in the game or in a half, then let him loose. Forcing him to throw and throw and throw, with his crap WRs and a TE who can get open but has no yards after catch ability, is just a recipe for disaster.

    I would have viewed Palmer as a sort of super-game manager who could have taken this team a long ways in the playoffs had we not been forced into a one-dimensional offense.

    Our season was fubar as soon as Knapp was hired and he was allowed to tinker with the way the o-line worked.

  • mcfadden20.

    No body even wants to talk to Mistic it’s clear as day and night he’s a racist and got a agenda, he wants a new player , preferably a black guy at a position we are doing good at and this Raiderdebo wants to come out at tell us , LMAO @ he knows more football then 90% of us , how about he’s the worst poster we ever had in here ?

  • RaidingTexas

    Dakota Says:

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20823348/redskins-lose-to-panthers-redskins-rule-says-mitt-romney-will-be-president-

    —————————

    The Alabama-LSU game says the incumbent (can’t put his name here – it’s being moderated for some reason) wins.

    I guess we’d better get ready for the Supreme Court deciding who will be the President again.

  • guest123

    freeman > palmer and it isnt close

    **************

    Yeah um No

    Let’s just look at what Freeman did. He handed the ball off to a rookie who singlehandedly gashed us in the second half. Oh boy, that sure makes him a great QB.

    And let’s compare Palmer v Freeman in the 4th Qtr. Palmer owned him in every statiscal category while Freeman looked like a rookie just trying to call plays in his own endzone with the play clock winding down.

    Palmer >>>>>>> Freeman and it aint close.

  • Raider-in-PA

    We know what we have (or dont) in Palmer… When this seasons a wash, lets see what Pryor has…

    Nay-sayers sound off in 3, 2, 1…

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    palmers back is to the wall, he is running out of time at 3-5 and must mount a furious comeback in order to match the 8-8 season from a year ago. Im sensing this season will end much like the game yesterday and in atl, turnover for palmer. He will be gone next uyear if he keeps this up.

  • mcfadden20.

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:54 am

    Just took another look at parts of the game from yesterday, and man it doesnt get any better the second time around.

    Freeman was exceptional, breaking the pocket picking up yardage with his feet. he was smooth in his progressions and smart with the ball, and of course the deep strikes were beautiful.

    palmer on the other hand was errant and wild from the start. he threw where there where no raiders, or several defenders and was lucky that at least 3 ther passes were not picked. im noticing a disturbing trend as he is now wildly flinging the ball again and has gone away fromn the dink and dunk stuff that helps him be at least decent.

    Those second half ints were brutal, and not one of them was anywhere near being a complted pass to our guys.

    palmer looked like christian ponder or blain gabbert, he looked lost and clueless.

    he walked off the field after his final pathetic pass attempt witha badly wounded expression on his face, and his shoulders slumped like a defeated flea ridden dog. I think he knows that he just threw away the game..again, and he also threw away that shiny 13 mil he hoped for next year.

    Talk about a major flop job, at home no less

    freeman > palmer and it isnt close

    —–
    You’re the only guy who thinks that TB won because of him, you can go into any TB forum , they are all talking about D Martin who came close to all time NFL record for a RB , there are def some one in this part of country talking up D Martin for MVP of the year and all he wants to come here to say is TB won because of Freeman (SMH)

  • VanHeathen30

    So it’s all Carson’s fault?
    Forgetting that the o-Line which can’t run block to save it’s life, is also a leaking bucket of pooh at pas protection, but he’s supposed to still make 61 passes?
    Blame the QB is the work of imbiciles, about the same as chest pumping for YOUR Presidential candidate on a football chat.

  • hwnrdr

    I agree to let’s see what TP has when the season is a wash! Because we all know what Leinhart has! But who knows, I always said that Palmer and Knapp do not belong together…so maybe, just maybe, Leinhart may be a better fit for this! Well, maybe not but who knows!

  • guest123

    Pryor is going to go the entire season as a healthy scratch. And what will it mean for his development and what role does he have in the Raiders future? If they can’t answer that question right now, they should cut ties already. Why waste a roster spot on him? Cause he’s cheap? Cause he’s athletic? If he can’t develop over a season and half then it’s not meant to be. Pull the plug and cut him already.

  • mcfadden20.

    guest123 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 10:58 am

    freeman > palmer and it isnt close

    **************

    Yeah um No

    Let’s just look at what Freeman did. He handed the ball off to a rookie who singlehandedly gashed us in the second half. Oh boy, that sure makes him a great QB.

    And let’s compare Palmer v Freeman in the 4th Qtr. Palmer owned him in every statiscal category while Freeman looked like a rookie just trying to call plays in his own endzone with the play clock winding down.

    Palmer >>>>>>> Freeman and it aint close.

    —–
    Exactly , the guy made 2 throws all game long , D couldn’t make plays on throws ,which they could have called a fair catch on , LMAO @ the clanked ball on TB’s helmet

  • mcfadden20.

    VanHeathen30 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    So it’s all Carson’s fault?
    Forgetting that the o-Line which can’t run block to save it’s life, is also a leaking bucket of pooh at pas protection, but he’s supposed to still make 61 passes?
    Blame the QB is the work of imbiciles, about the same as chest pumping for YOUR Presidential candidate on a football chat.

    —-

    Exactly

  • SLAYER

    FAIDERS = YOUR LIFE. LOSERS. 666

  • Dakota

    Part of me used to believe that if we could just get the right DC into Oakland he could mold these “talented” players into something that resembled a decent defense. That was about 4 coordinators ago.

    Now I just understand that guys like Michael Huff, McClain, Kelly, Branch and company simply SUCK and we just need to flush the entire bucket of turds down the toilet and re-build it from the ground up.

    It will take years to accomplish.

  • guest123

    I don’t want to write the season off yet, gotta continue to strive. But I have a feeling we are going to look back on the late 4th qtr INT that killed the game winning drive as the turning point that ended our playoff chances. It’s a shame, because the game could easily have been ours.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    mctrolls back!

  • mcfadden20.

    SLAYER Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    FAIDERS = YOUR LIFE. LOSERS. 666

    ====

    So you’re a winner by posting all that ? got it

  • hwnrdr

    One thing I will say, Palmer is playing darn well this year DESPITE Knapp and all of his protection problems! Without him, who knows, we’ll probably be worse than KC! Look, Hue made that trade and Reggie has said that he will live through it! He also said that he would have made that trade as well, just not at that price! But it is what it is…the trade mabe a bust but at least we do have a QB that CAN put his team on his back! We all seen past teams call it quits after being down 18, heck, even 7…Palmer did give us that chance to possibly win that game and I don’t think any other QB that we have could have done the same!

  • Raider-in-PA

    782.

    The QB IS to blame when its his decision to throw into double coverage on 3rd down when Marcel Reese is standing WIDE open at the 1st down marker…

    The O-line is much to blame as well, but nobody else can make Palmers reads, but Palmer…

  • RaidingTexas

    “witha badly wounded expression on his face, and his shoulders slumped”

    ———————————

    You would rather him be smiling and turning cartwheels? I expect players to look and feel like sh!t after the defeat is sealed. They’re paid to win games. It should be a natural instinct to look like that after failing.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    even the most staunch of the palmer worshipers are now faced with the harsh reality of broken dreams and bungle stripped blues.

    Blame knapp? knapp didnt throw 3 second half picks palmer did. Does palmer yell at himself like he trashes team mates and coaches during games?

    palmer has been a a major down grade and is now struggling to distinguish his place amongst raider qbs, somewhere between jay shroeder and kerry collins. guys that throw a pretty long ball, but dont win as consistently as they turn the ball over.

    Honestly i wish davis and his team were still around, they were looking pretty good, and this team isnt even on the same planet

  • mcfadden20.

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    mctrolls back!

    —-
    Look at Mistic on his other ID , calling me a troll , so you backed down on the challenge, we can find out right now who’s really a troll?

  • papertiger418

    Palmer gavie it everything he had. DMAC, unsurprisingly, went down with injury. I expected both those things.

    I just never expected our defense to get tore up like USC’s against the Ducks.

  • Dakota

    793.hwnrdr Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am
    One thing I will say, Palmer is playing darn well this year DESPITE Knapp and all of his protection problems! Without him, who knows, we’ll probably be worse than KC! Look, Hue made that trade and Reggie has said that he will live through it! He also said that he would have made that trade as well, just not at that price! But it is what it is…the trade mabe a bust but at least we do have a QB that CAN put his team on his back! We all seen past teams call it quits after being down 18, heck, even 7…Palmer did give us that chance to possibly win that game and I don’t think any other QB that we have could have done the same!

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    This is a smart man….and a Lakers’ fan….good man!

  • VanHeathen30

    Guest: If we could have RAN the ball, it prolly isn’t even close. But that and 2 dollars will get us a cup of coffee
    Too many negative yardage plays on 1st down is a major culprit in yesterdays defeat…along with a D selling out to stop the pass and relinquishing their gap assignments at LB, 2 on Rolando and 1 on Burris.

  • mcfadden20.

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am

    even the most staunch of the palmer worshipers are now faced with the harsh reality of broken dreams and bungle stripped blues.

    Blame knapp? knapp didnt throw 3 second half picks palmer did. Does palmer yell at himself like he trashes team mates and coaches during games?

    palmer has been a a major down grade and is now struggling to distinguish his place amongst raider qbs, somewhere between jay shroeder and kerry collins. guys that throw a pretty long ball, but dont win as consistently as they turn the ball over.

    Honestly i wish davis and his team were still around, they were looking pretty good, and this team isnt even on the same planet

    We knew it all along you and Al_is_the_Raiders is the same guy