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Postgame notes, quotes and observations on Raiders-Bucs game

At one point Sunday, things looked promising for the Raiders. The Denver Broncos trailed the Cincinnati Bengals 20-17 in the fourth quarter and the Raiders seemed poised to forge a first-place tie in the AFC West with a victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaners.
Then, the Broncos rallied for a 31-23 victory and the Raiders got run over by rookie running back Doug Martin and the Buccaneers at the Coliseum in a 42-32 loss.
Now, the Raiders are at 3-5, two games behind the Broncos and one game behind the San Diego Chargers in the AFC West, with losses against both teams, to boot.
How they got here is quite mind-boggling. The Raiders entered the locker room with a 10-7 lead, only to watch the Buccaneers score five touchdowns in the second half, three on runs of 45, 67 and 70 yards by Martin.
“We didn’t make enough plays to win the game but we were successful moving the football,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “Our team hung in there, our team battled. We tried to make a comeback and came up a little bit short.”
That the Raiders were even in the game at the end is somewhat remarkable.
The Buccaneers led 35-17 in the fourth quarter before the Raiders mounted a furious comeback.
Quarterback Carson Palmer cobbled together back-to-back drives that netted two touchdowns and 145 yards on 18 plays to make it 35-32. Then, they got the ball back with 2 minutes, 42 seconds left at their own 36-yard line.
Surely, the Raiders would navigate their way into Sebastian Janikowski’s field-goal range — about 20 yards — and then take a few shots at a touchdown.
No. That wasn’t the plan. The Raiders had the Bucs defense on its heels, and they wanted to finish it off right then and there.
“We were trying to win the game,” Allen said. “We were definitely trying to win the game and, obviously, we didn’t execute good enough and weren’t able to do it.”
Palmer launched back-to-back 20-yard passes, the first for wide receiver Rod Streater, the second for receiver Denarius Moore.
Palmer’s first pass fell incomplete. His second pass fell into the hands of Bucs safety Ahmad Black, who returned the ball 34 yards. Martin sealed the outcome with his fourth touchdown three plays later.
“Obviously, to come back and then to not finish a team, it was difficult,” Palmer said. “But we fought, showed a lot of heart. But didn’t make enough plays when it was all said and done.”

– Martin finished with 251 yards rushing, with 220 of that coming in the second half and 182 of that 220 on the three long touchdown runs.
Not what many expected from a Raiders defense that played well against the run in recent games. The Raiders entered the game having allowed an average of 102.1 yards their first seven games, at an average of 3.9 per carry.
The Bucs amassed 278 yards and 8.7 per carry.
It was all a bit much for Raiders cornerback Michael Huff to digest, especially when he predicted the Raiders would be a top-five defense this season.
“I still don’t know what really happened,” Huff said. “We played so well in the first half; we gave up a few big plays but nothing really to beat us. Then the second half was kind of a snowball effect. We couldn’t stop the run, we couldn’t stop the pass.”
Martin is an Oakland native. His career game came before numerous family members, friends and former coaches.
“It’s awesome,” Martin said. “Words can’t describe it. I had a lot of family and friends, and high school teammates, schoolmates and teachers. It’s just indescribable.”

– The Raiders allowed 515 yards on Sunday. That’s quite a contrast to the previous three games when the Raiders held their opponents under 300 yards in each game.
Missed tackles, an inability to pressure quarterback Josh Freeman on a consistent basis, missed tackles, blown coverages, you name it, there’s plenty of blame to go around.
“We didn’t tackle well,” Allen said. “They did a good job of blocking, the runner did a great job of running, and we had an opportunity to make a few plays and missed some tackles. And when you miss tackles on that guy, he takes it for big gains and that’s exactly what happened.”

– Raiders tight end Brandon Myers scored two of Oakland’s four touchdowns Sunday.
Go figure. Myers entered the game without a touchdown during his 3 1/2-year NFL career. Overall, Myers finished with eight receptions for 59 yards in his breakout season as the Raiders starting tight end.

– Palmer passed for 414 yards and four touchdowns. However, he also had three of his 61 passes intercepted, including the one that ended their comeback.
Palmer came within 4 yards of breaking his Raiders record and 11 of setting the Raiders franchise record, set by Jeff Hostetler.
He took the blame making poor throws and decisions on the interceptions. In the locker room, he received nothing but praise for bringing back the Raiders from a huge deficit.
“Obviously, you can sit back and wish you did it differently after a loss; and after a win, everything looks right,” Palmer said. “We had some critical errors. I had some critical errors.”
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey said Palmer had the players believing the whole time.
“Carson’s the type of guy, he has the talent to bring us back,” Heyward-Bey said. “But it’s all about his leadership. The stuff he was staying in the huddle, just keeping us into the game, making us believe we could make a play.
“At first he was like, ‘We just need one. Now we need two.’ We went out there and tried to make it happen but, unfortunately, we just ended up on the wrong end.”

– Defensive lineman Desmond Bryant was taken to a local hospital with an accelerated heartbeat early in the second half, a team official said.
The official said Bryant was taken to the hospital as a precautionary measure. No other update was provided.

– Lamarr Houston turned in the key play on special teams when he blocked a field-goal attempt in the first quarter and returned it 34 yards.
The Raiders cashed in the drive with a Janikowski field goal.
It turned out to be a mixed bag on special teams play overall.
Shane Lechler faked a punt in the second quarter, throwing a short pass to running back Taiwan Jones. The Bucs sniffed out the fake, tackled Jones well shy of the first-down marker and took over on downs.
“It’s part of some things that we have in our arsenal,” Allen said. “They brought the gunner in and they did a nice job of adjusting back out and they made the play and we didn’t.”

– Running back Darren McFadden rushed for 17 yards on seven carries before leaving the game with a right ankle injury.
“I’m not really sure the extent of it,” Allen said. “The X-rays were negative but, obviously. we’ll have to take a look at it and see where he’s at.”
Making matters worse, backup back Mike Goodson also suffered an ankle injury, and he wasn’t able to finish the game.
Allen said Goodson did not receive X-rays on his ankle.
For now, the Raiders might be looking at more of Jones and fullback Marcel Reece if McFadden and Goodson aren’t able to play next Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens.
They also have the potential to sign a free agent or sign rookie Jeremy Stewart from their practice squad.

– The Buccaneers beat the Raiders at home for the firs time in six tries. Overall, the Raiders lead the series 6-3, including a loss in the Super Bowl at the end of the 2002 season.

– Huff and Moore had games they would just as soon forget.
Huff got beat by receivers Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams for touchdowns, and he was part of a duo that got beat by Jackson on a 64-yard pass a few plays before he got behind Huff for a 20-yard touchdown.
Huff also gambled on an out route to Williams that quarterback Josh Freeman delivered just out of Huff’s reach, with Williams turning the short reception into a long gain.
Moore caught only four of the nine passes thrown his way. It looked as if he and Palmer were out of synch more times than they were on the same page.
One play, Palmer sailed a pass 25-30 yards over Moore’s head, perhaps expecting Moore to keep running. A couple of other passes hit off Moore’s hands and went incomplete.

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  • Al_is_theraiders

    mctroll20…whats your reggie excuse today?

  • poprox13

    I hate quilts…….

  • mcfadden20.

    VanHeathen30 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:10 am

    Guest: If we could have RAN the ball, it prolly isn’t even close. But that and 2 dollars will get us a cup of coffee
    Too many negative yardage plays on 1st down is a major culprit in yesterdays defeat…along with a D selling out to stop the pass and relinquishing their gap assignments at LB, 2 on Rolando and 1 on Burri


    That’s what i feel , our Secondary is really bad , and when we struggle in stopping the pass ,like Miami and Denver games they sell out to do anything to stop them from passing and in turn we get burned on ground

  • SLAYER

    FAIDERS ARE LOSERS. YOU ARE LOSERS. PERFECT MATCH. 666

  • guest123

    We haven’t really rushed the ball well all year. That’s been the constant. I’m sure lack of talent on the OL is an issue. But it’s weird that the same group basically from last year didn’t have that “talent” knock that they do today. So the only other thing I figure is the coaching. They are “learning” how to use their personnel. Maybe they get the hang of it by week 13 or so. Maybe it gives a chance to win a few late season games. And then we get to start all over again with new personnel and new coaches. What a plan!

  • hwnrdr

    Guys, there were a couple of things that also led to a loss…wtf was that 4th and 9 punt fake throwing to Taiwan before the yard sticks? And an Onside kick? Really? Has Jano ever made a successful one? (Seriously, I don’t remember)!
    Anyways, 2 very short fields knowing that our D couldn’t stop that pigeon!

  • mcfadden20.

    Al_is_theraiders said he will leave the blog for good , if i can find 10 people to agree with me that he’s a troll.

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  • The Big Banana

    Hwnrdr Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:07 am
    One thing I will say, Palmer is playing darn well this year DESPITE Knapp and all of his protection problems! Without him, who knows, we’ll probably be worse than KC! Look, Hue made that trade and Reggie has said that he will live through it! He also said that he would have made that trade as well, just not at that price! But it is what it is…the trade mabe a bust but at least we do have a QB that CAN put his team on his back! We all seen past teams call it quits after being down 18, heck, even 7…Palmer did give us that chance to possibly win that game and I don’t think any other QB that we have could have done the same!

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    Money post! Hwn dropping the wisdom.

  • mcfadden20.

    SLAYER Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:13 am

    FAIDERS ARE LOSERS. YOU ARE LOSERS. PERFECT MATCH. 666

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    HAHAHA NOBODY IS CRYING EXCEPT YOU

  • Al_is_theraiders

    sure keep working mctroll20..mystic hates palmer…i like him better than jasoup…but you want to hold reggies junk all night long…

  • RaidingTexas

    This picture tells you everything you need to know about Seymour:

    http://sports.cbsimg.net/u/photos/football/nfl/img20826338.jpg

    Fkn walking behind the play, admiring Martin’s run, no sense of urgency at all.

    Sorry azz POS.

  • Dakota

    806.guest123 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:14 am
    We haven’t really rushed the ball well all year. That’s been the constant. I’m sure lack of talent on the OL is an issue. But it’s weird that the same group basically from last year didn’t have that “talent” knock that they do today. So the only other thing I figure is the coaching. They are “learning” how to use their personnel. Maybe they get the hang of it by week 13 or so. Maybe it gives a chance to win a few late season games. And then we get to start all over again with new personnel and new coaches. What a plan!

    ++++++++++++++

    That is the most depressing part of this entire season. We had a strength, and they decided to neuter it. When you walk into a situation and can only identify a couple of areas that a team is doing well in, wouldn’t you rather focus your attention on the other 75% of the team that sucks, and then just go with what is working until you have the time and assets to change what is already working to fit your perception of what it should look like?

    Damn depressing.

  • The Big Banana

    Without Palmer we are 1-7, with losses to Pitt and Jax

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    For the election

    Wisconsin
    Ohio
    Pennsylvania
    Virginia or Florida

    All that matters. Only “poll” that matters is tomorrow. Both media and parties spin polls to encourage supporters and turnout.

    Sadly, domestic media is a party mouthpiece for one side or another. Need to look at dispassionate analysis from foreign media

  • mcfadden20.

    People crying over the Pick Palmer threw, without Palmer we wouldn’t even have been in that position to win the game , tell me the last guy who brought us back down 3 scores in the 4th quarter ?, and we have lost many games over the past 10 years , so there are enough samples to pick from , so let’s hear from Mistic first

  • lefty12

    When are many of you going to realize 3rd string developmental QBs don’t play.Too many of you act like this is high school and college.This is big boy football and you play when you earn those reps.

  • RaiderDebo

    papertiger418 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:08 am
    Palmer gavie it everything he had

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    Probably. Unfortunately, everything Carson Palmer has isn’t even close to being enough. Easily the biggest bust in Raider history! Nice guy though.

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  • Carl Weathers

    As least they didn’t lose like the titans did, ouch. That game was over after one quarter.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    is there a bigger fleece job in sports history, than the rape we sufferd at the hands of hu jack and mike brown?

    a 1st a 2nd and a butt load of cash and we cant even graduates into mediocre football?

    with each multiple pick performance palmer cements his legacy as the bungle reject that was left to quit, and for good reason.

    Once we end up with 9-10 losses bench his sorry behind and let tp 6 get some run.

    At least there would be a plausible explanation for 3m pick games if he posted one.

    palmer has no excuse and watching him get his ass handed to him after every maddening loss is just boring.

    elite?!/!?

  • mcfadden20.

    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    papertiger418 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:08 am
    Palmer gavie it everything he had

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    Probably. Unfortunately, everything Carson Palmer has isn’t even close to being enough. Easily the biggest bust in Raider history! Nice guy though.


    Tell me when are Jamarcus russell and Jason Campbell are going to be enshrined in Canton Mistic

  • Dakota

    814.The Big Banana Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am
    Without Palmer we are 1-7, with losses to Pitt and Jax
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    Exactly….Palmer is the only one standing between us being bad and us being a laughing stock.

  • RockyMountainRaider

    The knock on Palmer always has been he throws picks in crunch time, yesterday unfortunately he did nothing to discredit that. He was on his way to one of his best performances but floundered it, it seems like Carson cant lead a real quality comeback. I mean he succeeds when we have a lead but when were down late in the forth cant seem to get the win.

  • mcfadden20.

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:20 am

    is there a bigger fleece job in sports history, than the rape we sufferd at the hands of hu jack and mike brown?

    a 1st a 2nd and a butt load of cash and we cant even graduates into mediocre football?

    with each multiple pick performance palmer cements his legacy as the bungle reject that was left to quit, and for good reason.

    Once we end up with 9-10 losses bench his sorry behind and let tp 6 get some run.

    At least there would be a plausible explanation for 3m pick games if he posted one.

    palmer has no excuse and watching him get his ass handed to him after every maddening loss is just boring.

    elite?!/!?

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    Pryor would have thrown 50 picks if he had to throw 60 passes behind that Oline and with this receivers

  • Al_is_theraiders

    mctroll20 whats your excuse for reggies failed team today? hows that new zone defense working? what about the awesome zbs coupled with 3 yard outs?

  • guest123

    Dakota Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    814.The Big Banana Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:17 am
    Without Palmer we are 1-7, with losses to Pitt and Jax
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    Exactly….Palmer is the only one standing between us being bad and us being a laughing stock.

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    That being said, we are 3-5. I still think we are considered laughing stock by those outside this blog. We gave up 42 to the lowly Bucs and neutered a star RB into a scrub. Our WR’s have sucked since forever. People everywhere laugh at us even with the 3 wins.

    The reality is Palmer had is in position to lead us to a 5-3 record, where we should be, and are 3-5.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Wow the final 2 drives of the game end on miserable palmer picks, and it isnt his fault??!?!

    who were the last qbs to throw 3 ints in a game for the raiders?

    jamarcuss russel, burce gradkowski, and palmer who has done it a mind numbing 4 times. palmer in fact has more 3 pick performance in raider games than any opfh these other on the list.

    Who is noticeably absent form that list, ill tell you who. THE BEST QB WE HAVE HAD SINCE GANNON HANDS DOWN JASON CAMPBELL.

  • RaiderDebo

    Goat of the Week

    Carson Palmer, QB, Oakland. Hue Jackson traded for Palmer 55 weeks ago — but not to do what he did late in the fourth quarter Sunday against Tampa Bay. With the Raiders coming back to within 35-32 and the crowd in the Black Hole going nuts, Palmer lofted up a duck to no one in particular that first-year Buc safety Ahmad Black picked off to ice the game. Can’t do that, Carson.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/05/Week-9/index.html#ixzz2BNUGP9VF

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    Peter King telling it like it is.

  • mcfadden20.

    RockyMountainRaider Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am

    The knock on Palmer always has been he throws picks in crunch time, yesterday unfortunately he did nothing to discredit that. He was on his way to one of his best performances but floundered it, it seems like Carson cant lead a real quality comeback. I mean he succeeds when we have a lead but when were down late in the forth cant seem to get the win.

    he done that twice this year , against Jax ,and Pittsburgh, Eli Manning didn’t lead his team to a win yesterday , with 4 minutes to go , so they can’t win every freaking game from behind , the other guys get paid too

  • guest123

    Peter King with a money post.

  • RaiderDebo

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:21 am
    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:19 am

    papertiger418 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:08 am
    Palmer gavie it everything he had

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    Probably. Unfortunately, everything Carson Palmer has isn’t even close to being enough. Easily the biggest bust in Raider history! Nice guy though.


    Tell me when are Jamarcus russell and Jason Campbell are going to be enshrined in Canton Mistic
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    Umm, the name is RaiderDebo, and my best guess is the same day as Carsom Palmer.

  • The Big Banana

    RockyMountainRaider Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    The knock on Palmer always has been he throws picks in crunch time, yesterday unfortunately he did nothing to discredit that. He was on his way to one of his best performances but floundered it, it seems like Carson cant lead a real quality comeback. I mean he succeeds when we have a lead but when were down late in the forth cant seem to get the win.

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    Guess you missed the Pitt and Jax games.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:25 am

    Goat of the Week

    Carson Palmer, QB, Oakland. Hue Jackson traded for Palmer 55 weeks ago — but not to do what he did late in the fourth quarter Sunday against Tampa Bay. With the Raiders coming back to within 35-32 and the crowd in the Black Hole going nuts, Palmer lofted up a duck to no one in particular that first-year Buc safety Ahmad Black picked off to ice the game. Can’t do that, Carson.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/05/Week-9/index.html#ixzz2BNUGP9VF

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    Peter King telling it like it is.
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    THE TRUTH HURTS

  • mcfadden20.

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:24 am

    Wow the final 2 drives of the game end on miserable palmer picks, and it isnt his fault??!?!

    who were the last qbs to throw 3 ints in a game for the raiders?

    jamarcuss russel, burce gradkowski, and palmer who has done it a mind numbing 4 times. palmer in fact has more 3 pick performance in raider games than any opfh these other on the list.

    Who is noticeably absent form that list, ill tell you who. THE BEST QB WE HAVE HAD SINCE GANNON HANDS DOWN JASON CAMPBELL.

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    BEST QB, WE HAD? HAHAHAHA LMFAO the same guy who couldn’t even get over 20 QBR when he didn’t get help from his running game? and where is the same guy, these days ?

  • Carl Weathers

    Yes thanks to Palmer we battled back from 18 points down to 3 and he just came up short. That would have been one of the greatest comebacks ever had he led a TD drive and the raiders won 39-35. Too bad it didn’t happen. I love Palmer, I thin he has a great arm and accuracy but like so many other talented QB’s he has been prone to mistakes at costly times. See romo, rivers, cutler. He is in the same category as these guys.
    Sure he his hamstrung on a mediocre team. But he does have weapons on offence so I’m not buying that excuse. Until he can win those type of games in the 4th Q, he’ll never be elite. His time is ticking, but I’m rooting for him and still believe he can become who we hope he can.

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    Got straight fizzle over the weekend with some dope 2 Kewl 4 Skool rehearsals – my ultimate ground breaking boy band – and got the most dope pube ‘do since Aaron Carter’s back in ’94

    Danced so hard I split 3 Bike Jock Straps in half. No worries, brahs, the Beeeech Lawg wasn’t harmed in any way and the Beeeeech Nads are still rockin’

    Gonna drink some whole milk then go do some calisthenics by the pool

    Contrary to popular belief, the Beeeech Abs don’t get shredded by themselves, holla

    YOUNG MC N THE PLACE 2 B

  • mcfadden20.

    So Palmer is batting 2-4 .500 when he has to lead a team from behind to win the games , I’ll take that all day and every day over any one we had since Gannon

  • VanHeathen30

    2 picks for a starting QB is sure a lot better than the 2 picks we gave up for Seymour, yet nobody remembers that far back i guess.

  • mcfadden20.

    Carl Weathers Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:29 am

    Yes thanks to Palmer we battled back from 18 points down to 3 and he just came up short. That would have been one of the greatest comebacks ever had he led a TD drive and the raiders won 39-35. Too bad it didn’t happen. I love Palmer, I thin he has a great arm and accuracy but like so many other talented QB’s he has been prone to mistakes at costly times. See romo, rivers, cutler. He is in the same category as these guys.
    Sure he his hamstrung on a mediocre team. But he does have weapons on offence so I’m not buying that excuse. Until he can win those type of games in the 4th Q, he’ll never be elite. His time is ticking, but I’m rooting for him and still believe he can become who we hope he can.

    What weapons are you talking about that we have? Our receivers can only run 1 route , that’s why he was picked on that pass to Streater, we would have called different play if we had any body who could run a route

  • mcfadden20.

    VanHeathen30 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:30 am

    2 picks for a starting QB is sure a lot better than the 2 picks we gave up for Seymour, yet nobody remembers that far back i guess.

    Nobody is complaining about Palmer and Picks other than the obvious haters in here, only the obvious trolls are agreeing with what Mistic has to say

  • VanHeathen30

    WOW…Peter King writing the ‘Bloody freakin’ Obvious’ and everyone who does’nt like Carso feels vindicated…did he mention the lack of ANY Running game throughout the whole game, even before the injuries?

  • boss01

    I still think we got outcoached making halftime adjustments yet again.
    Martin was well contained in the first half and all of a sudden the flood gates opened and the wheels fell off the run defense.

    Yes we scored 22 4th quarter points, but I believe that was more to do with them letting off the gas pedal and Palmer putting the team on his back.

    How do you not make adjustments to stop the run the whole 2nd half after the first 2 long runs I dont get.

  • guest123

    812. Good post

    Pathetic pic of old washed up overpaid lineman who probably should retire after the season. Seymour has his moments, but too few and far between to be earning almost $1 million per game.

  • mcfadden20.

    your qb CAN ONLY do so much , the other team is trying to make plays too , but when you got guys who can’t run more than 1 route , you won’t succeed in those situations going against a D , which knows what’s coming

  • RockyMountainRaider

    RockyMountainRaider Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:22 am
    The knock on Palmer always has been he throws picks in crunch time, yesterday unfortunately he did nothing to discredit that. He was on his way to one of his best performances but floundered it, it seems like Carson cant lead a real quality comeback. I mean he succeeds when we have a lead but when were down late in the forth cant seem to get the win.

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    Guess you missed the Pitt and Jax games.
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    “real quality comeback” Yeah im sure Peyton Manning’s comebacks pale in comparison to what Carson has done this season, pfffft. Only down 10 to the Steelers and then the Jags, wow what a resume!

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    I wonder if cork will answer my question about his statement of palmers validating the trade in the chat this week.

    The local media guys are palmer worshipers. they have not seen the instant upgrade theory materialize as they tried so desperately to sell it.

    Personally i would like to see this team go with a young athletic qb, wilson, freeman, rg111, newton, luck, the nfl is chok full of them.

    no need for us to suffer through an entire year of horrible qb decisions from a 10 year failure. get our young guy ready or dratf one this in the spring and lets build around him. The palmer experimant has proven to be pure unadulterated folly, form a half cocked mad man that went of the rials. he and palmer took this team with them too.

    where does palmer go next year? KC. i doubt they want him after seeing him up close. The browns maybe? but weeden is already doing what palmer does, stink out loud. maybe jax.

    Smart money says he quits football and head back to his doritios and light beer

  • guest123

    I don’t think it was us getting outcoached in the 2nd half. More a case of guys dogging it and jogging it after speedy #22 after he broke contain. And safeties that decided to take the entire second half off. That’s just poor execution.

  • mcfadden20.

    boss01 Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:34 am

    I still think we got outcoached making halftime adjustments yet again.
    Martin was well contained in the first half and all of a sudden the flood gates opened and the wheels fell off the run defense.

    Yes we scored 22 4th quarter points, but I believe that was more to do with them letting off the gas pedal and Palmer putting the team on his back.

    How do you not make adjustments to stop the run the whole 2nd half after the first 2 long runs I dont get.

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    We have struggled stopping the run in all the games we have struggled in stopping the pass, when our D can put pressure on QB’s in 3rd and long situations and stop the other team, that’s when we stop the run

  • RaiderDebo

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 5th, 2012 at 11:30 am
    So Palmer is batting 2-4 .500 when he has to lead a team from behind to win the games , I’ll take that all day and every day over any one we had since Gannon
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    Let’s see. JaMarcus was in that spot against Kansas City and Denver in 2009.

    JR: 1.00
    CP: .500

    JR’s the man!

  • Marks hair

    Seasons over monkeys.. play the kids. We need more talent.. talent comes from this thing called the draft.. we could have the top pick. But noooo.. we like 7-9 too much.. we’re winners.