Raiders live chat here on Tuesday at noon
By Jon Becker
Monday, November 5th, 2012 at 10:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.
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November 5th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Ingest problem with the ZBS, is you van’t fully practice it due to the danger of the cut block.
So 2-3 years of game only development are needed to get the line to gel.
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This is very true, but it really doesn’t take that long in most cases it takes a season before it’s fluid and everyone is working well coordination.
That’s why you have to have a back who is comfortable in it early on.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
nycraider Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
whats sad is dmac is hurt and it doesnt even matter
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IMHO, blessing in disguise. We have been force feeding DMAC and it aint working. We had no issues moving and scoring when we abandoned that gameplan. Spread them out and that will set up the draw.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Romney is getting thumped even in Massachusetts. He sucks.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
I wouldn’t be so sure McFadden and Goodson are both out.Heard coach Allen say they are going to aggressively treat them and neither is being ruled out yet.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
So, who does DMac get traded to next year & what do we get in return? Same question for Tommy Kelly? Same question for McCheese?
You gotta know Reggie will be paring the payroll in order to buy “his” new incoming talent.
Who else do you think will be traded or just outright cut?
November 5th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Doug Martin is the real deal. The kid is like a bowling ball. I have never seen a back that small break tackles of LB and DL guys.
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The thing I don’t understand is how the Raider defensive coaches did not know this. Did they not watch the Doug Martin coming out party against Minn last Thursday night? And after he broke his lst big run they made no adjustment and just watch it happen over and over again. Something is wrong there.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Ya,something was wrong.Our team didn’t tackle him.One of the worst exhibitions of tackling ever.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
JB Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Who else do you think will be traded or just outright cut?
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Seymour
Kelly
McClain
Lechler
Brisiel
Carlisle
November 5th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Also,where was the help in the secondary?The guy would bust thru the line and go untouched.Where were the backers and safeties?Pathetic.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
The run D was sank as soon as we relied on Rolando to have any kind of Gap Assignment…
Thinking Reggie is hoping he gets con voiced so he can void his deal, heck, Reggie should hire a Private Detetive to assist the prosecution after last Sunday…
November 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
They unleashed that kid in the second half and by the time the defense adjusted to him he had 200. He’s a cutback runner similar to Emmitt Smith you can’t run a him aggressive he’ll use it against you you have to measure and explode into him. He will still run over you but at least you can get a solid hit on him.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Lefty…someone quoted Martin had 195 yards before contact on Sunday…
Pathetic Effort by the run D.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
He’s a stronger version of Emmitt Smith IMHO.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
and faster…
November 5th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
He had 197 yards rushing BEFORE he was hit.There wasn’t anyone there once he popped thru the line.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Van,you beat me to it.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Ugly.. I’ve never seen a stat like that.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
I don’t care who the RB is or how good he is,197 yards before contact is pathetic and it isn’t totally the lines fault.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
JB Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Who else do you think will be traded or just outright cut?
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Seymour
Kelly
McClain
Lechler
Brisiel
Carlisle
McFadden
Curry
Mitchell
Tollefson
Ford
Ed Wang
November 5th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
BTW: Priest, we haven’t always agreed over the years, but this place is better when you come around.glad you started coming back.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
No, to blame the line only makes no sense there’s 11 on D that is more the LB’s and safeties. All those yards b4 contact speaks volumns. They took bad angles……..period
November 5th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
How many snaps does Tollefson get with the D?
Not to sure about that FA signing…
November 5th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Thanks for the kind words Van many would take isuue with them tho……..lol
November 5th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
BTW: if you’re validating Knapp’s scheme based on numbers, what has he done to the running game?
22 TOTAL yards rushing in a Whole Game is HORRENDOUS!
Dude hasn’t done ANYTHING to warrant my support, but hey, if you’re good with him, good for you
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Knapp and Pollack ruined the running game that was developed nicely the last two years.
I still can’t believe this clown Knapp is on his 2nd go around here in Oakland.
What a joke!
November 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
He had 197 yards rushing BEFORE he was hit.There wasn’t anyone there once he popped thru the line.
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That is inexcusable. The job of the secondary line of defense, the LB’s, is to move forward and fill the point of attack. THAT, was something I did not see on those runs.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Ya,something was wrong.Our team didn’t tackle him.One of the worst exhibitions of tackling ever.
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That’s a strong statement, but I agree 110%.
IMO, McClain is worst MLB in the league.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Also,where was the help in the secondary?The guy would bust thru the line and go untouched.Where were the backers and safeties?Pathetic.
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McCheese whiffed a record number of times out there yesterday. This guy is truly worthless. Actually, he hurts us being out there. He gets in the way of other players trying to bring someone down. He’s simply gotta go.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
haha…and some of you guys thought this team was actually good after barely beating a crappy banged up Jaguar team and beating a sad KC team??
Sheesh
November 5th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
The Chuck B run defense showed up yesterday. haha
Now it is the DA and Tarver D!
November 5th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
JB Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Also,where was the help in the secondary?The guy would bust thru the line and go untouched.Where were the backers and safeties?Pathetic.
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McCheese whiffed a record number of times out there yesterday. This guy is truly worthless. Actually, he hurts us being out there. He gets in the way of other players trying to bring someone down. He’s simply gotta go.
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When McClain is not out there our defense plays better is all aspects. It is pretty obvious.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Lynch did comment yesterday that the Raiders couldn’t commit more than 7 in the box because we couldn’t afford to leave Huff 1 on 1 on the outside-we had to give him help over the top.On every long run the kid broke to the left once thru the line-away from the safety and Huff.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
The Raider lazy azz D Line and undisciplined LB’s got beat by two backup Buc Guards yesterday. Joseph and Nicks were out and the backups still dominated.
Unreal!
November 5th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
JB Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Who else do you think will be traded or just outright cut?
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Seymour
Kelly
McClain
Lechler
Brisiel
Carlisle
McFadden
Curry
Mitchell
Tollefson
Ford
Ed Wang
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Valid list:
Seymour – Retire
Kelly – trade for 3rd or 4th pick
McClain – trade for a 6th or 7th pick
Lechler – FA I believe
Brisiel – Trade back to Texans for 4th
Carlisle – Retire
McFadden – Trade for a 2nd
Curry – Retire PUP
Mitchell – Trade for 7th pick
Tollefson – FA IO believe
Ford – Trade for 5th pick
Ed Wang – Thought he was already gone
Willie Smith – Cut
November 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
They are replaying the Martin runs on ESPN…
Looks like a lot of arm tackles he ran through, MM34 on one, Branch on another, Wheeler,so guys were there, just not in proper position…overall, possibly the worst performance by the LB corps as a unit…
November 5th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Ed Wang – Thought he was already gone
Willie Smith – Cut
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Yeah, Ed Wang was a joke that no one got. I forgot Willie Smith. Gone. Throw Terrel Pryor on the list as well.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Wasn’t Seymour quoted he was disappointed to OT be facing heir starting o line?
Too much talk, with very little to back it up…
November 5th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Lynch did comment yesterday that the Raiders couldn’t commit more than 7 in the box because we couldn’t afford to leave Huff 1 on 1 on the outside-we had to give him help over the top.On every long run the kid broke to the left once thru the line-away from the safety and Huff.
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See I don’t think that is right. We committed to Stopping the run in the lst half and made Freeman and Jackson make some plays. Well, they did. But they also only scored six points in the half. Then we took some guys and let them play back, and you all saw what happened.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
What’s disappointing is for all the progress we are supposedly making with the new regime (DA etc.) we looked almost identical to the worst of times from last yr.
The monster, killer big plays against us, a crucial 3rd and short offsides, the receiver drops…it seemed as though NOTHING changed from last yr…
Yesterday looked like nothing has gotten better.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I think they were back the whole time and in the 2nd half took advantage of it.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
On the 1st TD run Branch was lined up on the LOS and Pat Lee was 7 yards off the ball behind the LB’s and whiffed on the tackle…WTF is up with that alignment?
November 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
I think they were back the whole time and in the 2nd half took advantage of it.
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That’s the adjustments that pissed me off beyond belief.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
On the 1st TD run Branch was lined up on the LOS and Pat Lee was 7 yards off the ball behind the LB’s and whiffed on the tackle…WTF is up with that alignment?
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Exactly. Why is Pat Lee the lst guy to the POA?
November 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Time to start playing the reserves to see who is worth keeping assuming there is someone with an upside. we are now playing for draft position. I’d like to see TP6 on at least a couple of Kapernick type plays. Willie Smith needs to go. He’s in way over his head. Let’s see what Bergstrom has to offer. I’d also like to see Wiz back at LG and let Parsons go to center.
November 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Did they think they could hide Lee in the Defensive back field to avoid matching him up against a WR? If so, should he even be on the freakin’ field?
November 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
JB Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Time to start playing the reserves to see who is worth keeping
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We are half way into the season. That’s crazy. Anything can happen. We have played well. We have played terrible. Let’s see what happens in Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been playing all that well despite their record.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
I’m a Palmer fan but he was really out of sync yesterday. Bad passes, bad decisions, bad mojo PERIOD. It carried over the the receivers too. Way to many drops and/or non-efforts. The O-line was consistently bad blocking wise and that carried over to the D & ST. This was a total team loss – everybody sucked.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
They had to help Huff because he looked like Routt yesterday, burnt on every one-on-one match up. The second half Tampon took advantage of the middle of the field. Where was Romac!? (At least Routt (the worst db in Raider history) was in the highlight real getting toasted!) Romac was nowhere to be scene.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
I am a PC fan too, but I am beginning to believe this guy should changed his name to Charlie Brown! He brings us to within reach of the vic but due to extremely bone head decisions he gives the Vic away (see Atlanta and Tampon).
According to Jim Kozamor, C Palmer has been in 19 games in which he threw over 40 passes. His record is 2-17, in those games. Point being the odds of winning, without mixing in the run game, is less than 10%!
November 5th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
JB Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Time to start playing the reserves to see who is worth keeping
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We are half way into the season. That’s crazy. Anything can happen. We have played well. We have played terrible. Let’s see what happens in Baltimore. Baltimore really has not been playing all that well despite their record.
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I applaud your faith but I guess I’m more of a pessimist. The Ravens don’t need to be that good to beat us – Ray Rice & Flacco will have a big day. Without a dominating line on both the offense & defense, I don’t see us doing all that well. Knapp & Pollack have destroyed our O-line. IMO, we will not recover with either of those coaches on staff.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
When is McCheese’s trial? If found guilty I wonder if there is a moral turpitude clause in his contract where if found guilty, we can cancel his contract without any future consideration or cap penalty?
November 5th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Have to think that if he can’t honor his contract cause he’s incarcerated, his deal should be voided. kid looks like he’s back on the World of Warcraft Kick again, actually, didn’t a new version just come out?…hmmm
November 5th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Shorty Doug Martin can squat 500+lbs. That is incredible for a guy at 5-9 and he weighs 215lbs. DMAC is over 6 feet and I think comes in at 220. Doug Martin is an effin beast. Had Tampa ran him hard and early I dont think the game would have been 10-7 at half time. He was already unstoppable in the first half. They just were too stupid to NOT run him in the 1st half. The only way to stop him was to dive at his feet. Our guys were hitting him high and he ran right through them. We’re talking LB and DL guys here. Wheeler finally had a good tackle on him by diving a his feet. DMAC couldnt dream of breaking a tackle from the LB or DL.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
The last guy I remember that was that short and squatted that much as Barry Sanders. But Barry jukes guys out. Martin just ran right through the arm tackle.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Ingest problem with the ZBS, is you van’t fully practice it due to the danger of the cut block.
So 2-3 years of game only development are needed to get the line to gel.
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This is very true, but it really doesn’t take that long in most cases it takes a season before it’s fluid and everyone is working well coordination.
That’s why you have to have a back who is comfortable in it early on.
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i’m a high school football coach and frankly, u don’t have any idea what ur talking about, ever. it cracks me up. u try to rep urself like u watch every game, every week, and break down film on all of them. except, u don’t know sh1t.
the zbs is a blocking assignment thing. these are nfl players. “gelling” isn’t gonna prevent guys from getting blown back 3 yards.
wiz can’t handle on the nose attacks. brisiel is subpar. big willie is a backup, at best. the line stinks.
but most of all, ur a know-nothing moron.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
They unleashed that kid in the second half and by the time the defense adjusted to him he had 200. He’s a cutback runner similar to Emmitt Smith you can’t run a him aggressive he’ll use it against you you have to measure and explode into him. He will still run over you but at least you can get a solid hit on him.
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i’m gonna bet u never played.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
these are the only sure-fire returnees for next year:
palmer
goodson
reece
moore
streeter
myers
ausberry
gordon
veldheer
wiz
bergstrom
bryant
bilukidi
houston
shaughnessy
crawford
wheeler
burris
seabass
condo
that’s 20 players. expect lots of changes.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
The lack of consistency is nothing more than growing pains while the team transitions to DA and Reggie’s new program. The Chuck B defense showed up for sure yesterday, and the offense didn’t keep up its end of the bargain, which wore the defense out. It’s sad to see but hopefully we’ll turn the corner by the end of the season.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
but i love how so many idiots think the season’s over. there are only 4 sure playoff contenders in the afc right now:
denver
houston
baltimore
new england
pittsburgh
we beat pittsburgh. after that, there are only 3 teams with a better record than us. indianapolis, miami, and san diego. i feel the colts and dolphins are pretenders. san diego has enough talent to win some games and be the 6th playoff team. but they’re far from strong.
we’re still in it. we may not be a very good team, but we’re not out of it. and we beat the steelers, and could have easily beaten the falcons.
November 5th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
i meant 5 sure playoff teams.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Who wants to bet DA quits after this year. Pack his stuff and says to the press as he leaves Raider HQ:
This is bullsh*t man. I don’t have to put up with this bullsh*t no more. Fook all ya’ll.
Then in another strange turn of events, Big Reg names knapp the new HC because as Big Reg would say ‘Dude, the ZBS is my kind of ball. You da man’.
And knapps head would start to spin. He will be drunk with power. And then all the o line guys just get up and walk out of the room because they know the ZBS is hot trash. So knapp is the only HC without a offensive unit.
And Big Reg says ‘cant have that sh*t’. So he fires knapp and knapp gets fired before even a single practice. Big Reg runs an ad in the Oakland Tribune for a HC and Tommy Sunami reads the want ads and applies for the job and gets it.
Then Tommy Sunami gets the whole team together and takes them all out to go bowling. Turns out the Raiders are pretty good bowlers. And Tommy Sunami says he expects his running backs to be like bowling balls.
In the mean time, Big Reg is in his office smoking a cigar. Amy is busy with all her paperwork and Marc is putting the finishing touches on a new stadium deal. The new grass will be silver in the new stadium and all the seats will be black.
The new stadium will seat 95,000 and 35,000 seats will be sold for $10.00 a game.
In the mean time, knapp will be pleading to all the other 31 teams for a job because he still believes in the dink and dunk ZBS scheme. The Raiders will be exclusively a gap and power running team and have a tremendous amount of success.
ZBS sucks. It was that way in preseason and if the coaches would have seen it then they’d still have a job because they would have tossed it out like dirty bath water if they had any type of clue. The ZBS has a foul odor.
ESPN can suck it.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:45 am
hey mistic–regarding ur “new generation”?
cam newton 77.7 qb rating
michael vick 77.7 qb rating
yeah, i think we’ve seen this before.
by the way:
ryan tannehill 78.2 qb rating
blaine gabbert 78.4 qb rating
pretty sure u will suddenly NOT be talking about cam any more and instead be jumping on the bandwagon of freeman and wilson much more.
even though freeman has all of 61 rushing yards this season and wilson has 155 yards rushing.
not exactly this great run/pass combo u love, but hey, they are black, so for some reason u love them.
maybe this whole pocket passing thing is good.
oh yeah. i almost forgot. idiot.
November 6th, 2012 at 3:36 am
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November 6th, 2012 at 3:45 am
i love how so many idiots think the season’s over. there are only 5 sure playoff contenders in the afc right now
we’re still in it. we may not be a very good team, but we’re not out of it. and we beat the steelers, and could have easily beaten the falcons.
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co-signed, Dr Bob!
November 6th, 2012 at 3:53 am
The Raider lazy azz D Line and undisciplined LB’s got beat by two backup Buc Guards yesterday. Joseph and Nicks were out and the backups still dominated.
Unreal!
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DK007,
Seymour & Kelly play when they want to. Both are considered “leaders” but are terribly inconsistent and take way too many plays off. They are both just check cashers imo.
McClain & Branch were supposed to transform this run defense now that Marshall & Bresnahan are out along with Al’s dated defense
turns out they just aren’t good football players. RRS called it
November 6th, 2012 at 3:55 am
I’m ready to see some Tony Bergstrom at RT
Willie Smith is gonna end Palmer’s career about 3 years premature…
November 6th, 2012 at 4:01 am
“There was some (missed) tackling going on. I missed two tackles. We all missed tackles out there. Our technique wasn’t good”
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is Giordano the leader of the defense?
I swear he’s the only guy that has some accountability. Takes the blame, like Palmer does
Even tried to re-enter the Bucs game with a gimpy hamstring… too bad more players on our roster with superior talent don’t have his mentality, passion or drive!
November 6th, 2012 at 4:51 am
64..agree…. I thought Branch was gonna be a Baller… He isn’t…and I kept giving Seymour the benefit of doubt… No more.. He’s not consistent enough…and I’ve never been a big Kelly fan… He’s always be more talk than at..
November 6th, 2012 at 4:51 am
Whoops.. More talk than play
November 6th, 2012 at 4:53 am
The Run defense was as bad Sunday as any we’ve seen over the past decade…possibly even worse if that’s possible …
November 6th, 2012 at 5:05 am
After watching the MNF highlights on all of Martin’s TD runs, it was clear McClain had no field awareness about what gap he needed to fill and could not get off his blocks.
Burris and Wheeler got off their blocks but simply over pursued and Martin cut back on them. If only McClain could shed his blocks and know where the hell he needed to be, the results could have been much different, but that is a trend that indicates McClain is simply too incompetent to ever develop into a solid MLB.
This is why today they should just cut him just like Routt’s overpaid @$$ and activate Curry.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:20 am
McClain… What a bust…. Sheeesh…
November 6th, 2012 at 5:31 am
I love how so many idiots think the season’s over. there are only 5 sure playoff contenders in the afc right now
we’re still in it. we may not be a very good team, but we’re not out of it. and we beat the steelers, and could have easily beaten the falcons.
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I’ll co-sign that aswell.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:34 am
All the semis have different opinions about what is wrong and how to fix it.
Bottom line = The entire Raiders orginization has just been going through the motions for a decade, Cashing checks but not giving it 100%. No passion, no accountability, no leadership, no good coaches, no good free agents, no real good draft choices, contracts WAY out of whack, no real ballers, etc, etc, nothing, nada, zip.
It wont be fixed overnight and we were not any darn good last year,
November 6th, 2012 at 5:37 am
The Giants were 7-7 last year then went on a roll and won the SB. The season is not over.
But the Giants have 3 things this team does not and that is an NFL defense, great coaching, a QB that is money in the clutch.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:39 am
Curry is not going to be inserted to the field defensively, the staff already said he would be at best the 4th LB if activated.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:40 am
Giants were dead last in the NFL in rushing last year.
Maybe that’s a sign for us this year, lol
November 6th, 2012 at 5:43 am
At this point I’m just thinking game to game…. I haven’t seen anything that should make me think about playoffs… Including the falcons and steelers games…gotta be consistent to think about any playoffs…. Right now I just wanna see how the raiders play aginst the Ravens….
It’s one game at a time…
November 6th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Gonna go vote soon. Who should I vote for? I’m going to base my decision on a blog debate.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Last night got pretty ridiculous in here huh? Dam, Mistic was calling everyone out and Priest was backing him up! What happened to this blog? LOL
November 6th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Aren’t you in Illinois?
LOL….I don’t think it matters. Just vote against all the local bond measures.
You guys don’t have any money for that stuff.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Big day today. If I was betting I would put my money on Mitt.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Voted last Tuesday…. Early voting…
November 6th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Dick Morris put it at 90% that Mitt wins, 60% he gets 300 electorals.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:52 am
All the news people over here are saying it’s too close to call.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Aren’t you in Illinois?
LOL….I don’t think it matters. Just vote against all the local bond measures.
You guys don’t have any money for that stuff.
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Yeah, I’m in Illinois. I’m actually voting for the Green Party.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Time to sign Ryan Grant if neither RB returns…but with this easy schedule, it wont be that hard to get to 7-7 even 8-7 going into SD.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:54 am
It’s gonna be close no matter who wins… Don’t see either guy running away with it…. Except maybe in the electorial poll
November 6th, 2012 at 5:55 am
If Mitt doesn’t pull out one of the Prez’s firewalls (Michigan, Penn, Wisconsin) than he will have to win Ohio I believe, unless he sweeps the other swing states (which I don’t think he will).
November 6th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Dick Morris put it at 90% that Mitt wins, 60% he gets 300 electorals.
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Dick Morris is a FOX News hack. That’s like asking Mistic if he thinks Campbell is a better QB than Palmer.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:55 am
High ankle sprain… Could be awhile..
November 6th, 2012 at 5:56 am
We will win every game left on the schedule that Carson is the better QB.
So that means: KC, Cleveland, Carolina, Cincy.
7-9, unless we pull an upset here or there.
November 6th, 2012 at 5:57 am
Mistics free to believe as he wants… But I’m not sure he even believes the crap he says about Palmer… I thinks he’s just backed himself into a corner now and if the beer vendor in the second deck spills some beer it must be Palmers fault
November 6th, 2012 at 6:02 am
78.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Gonna go vote soon. Who should I vote for? I’m going to base my decision on a blog debate.
Great idea!!! I will vote later after hearing the semis and the big headed bloggers opinions on the P
November 6th, 2012 at 6:04 am
Hwn
I think Priest name has been hijacked. That does not sound like him. Mystic is just another troll
look at all their actions = they are designed to make everyone here and the blog look bad
I am suprised this stuff is allowed when the blog is linked on all IBA stuff
November 6th, 2012 at 6:04 am
Steve really blew it. He could have put on a live chat presidential blog debate between Kool Kell and Mista Brown. Ratings would have been sky high.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:05 am
I hope you all vote.
Later Raiders.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:07 am
I like Palmer as the Raiders Qb…. I just wish the team was better for him….. I think Palmer thinks he has to do too much now…take to many chances… That last int was a poor choice and pass… The coachs should have calmed him down…. Their was plenty of time ..
November 6th, 2012 at 6:09 am
And Palmer should have known he had plenty of time….. Didn’t need 30 yrd passes…
November 6th, 2012 at 6:10 am
Plunketthead Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:04 am
Hwn
I think Priest name has been hijacked. That does not sound like him. Mystic is just another troll
look at all their actions = they are designed to make everyone here and the blog look bad
I am suprised this stuff is allowed when the blog is linked on all IBA stuff
That is true! I had to scratch my head a bit! I think even the last time “Priest” came on it sounded weird!
November 6th, 2012 at 6:11 am
I’m off to vote.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:15 am
VOTED 2 WEEKS AGO.MAIL IN.I’M SURE MY BALLOT WENT DIRECTLY FROM THE IN BOX TO THE SCHREDDER..
November 6th, 2012 at 6:17 am
fingers Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:07 am
I like Palmer as the Raiders Qb…. I just wish the team was better for him…..
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Still don’t think that’s an excuse, Peyton Manning doesnt have more talent around him yet he is more efficient than Palmer. The difference is Peyton does not have to rely on a piss poor OC to determine where the hole is in the defense because Peyton himself is miles better an OC than Krapp is.
Palmer calls some good audibles, but not as consistent and efficient as a Manning. Too many times I saw Palmer call a running play into the side TB was run blitzing.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:17 am
I will go one step further. KK never sounded the same since he returned from his banning. JMO
We have seen many names hijacked and the troll who does most the work has proved he can do it to anyone at anytime.
MR is always different and had been for sometime now.
The old MR threw out some bait each night and would troll on that alone sucking many in. He was somewhat smart and would stick to that little point and beat it to death always steering the convo back to where he wanted.
This current sully cant do that
November 6th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Peyton Manning doesnt have more talent around him yet he is more efficient than Palmer.
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LOL!!!
They have better WR’s, RB’s, TE’s, probably O-line, DE’s, DB’s and LB’s.
But other than that, yeah it’s about even.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Manning has way more talent on the Donks … IMO … Think the stats back that up ..
November 6th, 2012 at 6:24 am
There was a reason PM choose Dungver
Tim Tebow lead them to a playoff win. They have done real well drafting with the picks they got from Cutler/Marshall/hillis/etc.
Thats the best one I can come up with because they seem like a mess two year ago after giving away the team and the coaching mess and the TT draft pick
November 6th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Fox is a very good coach and then they get delrio to coach the D and once in a lifetime HOF Qb Manning to coach the offense.
Unreal, lucky dogs
November 6th, 2012 at 6:26 am
We have a lot of guys on the Raiders we ( I ) thought had more talent than they actually do…
McClain and Branch… Just for a couple ..
Decker and Thomas are better than anybody we have at Wr… Again.. Just my
Opinion but I think they’re stats back that up
November 6th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Peyton Manning doesnt have more talent around him yet he is more efficient than Palmer.
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LOL!!!
They have better WR’s, RB’s, TE’s, probably O-line, DE’s, DB’s and LB’s.
But other than that, yeah it’s about even.
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I was talking about the offense, not the defense.
It is clear Denver has a better defense, no doubt.
I am willing to concede as well Denver’s O-line is better.
But the WR’s, RB’s, TE’s are NOT better.
Demaryius Thomas and Denarious Moore are pretty much the same guy. Denver’s receiver such just as bad.
Mcgahee is not better than Mcfadden, he just has a better O-line.
Who do they have at TE that is better than Myers?
Myers > Dressen
November 6th, 2012 at 6:28 am
They made the 2nd round of the playoffs last year with a backup QB.
I think they have one of the most talented rosters in all of football.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:28 am
Also that Donk Oline is playing pretty good right now
November 6th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Lol… I hate having to give props to the Donks…. But it is what it is…
November 6th, 2012 at 6:30 am
D-Moore would be the 3rd WR in Denver, and Willis is miles ahead of McFadden.
Their backup RB Hillman is better than Goodson.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:30 am
D-Moore would be the 3rd WR in Denver, and Willis is miles ahead of McFadden.
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Now your’e talking crazy. D-Wow is miles better that Decker.
He would be the unquestioned no. 2 minimum.
Willis is past his prime not even close to the talent level McFadden has. He just has the luxury of playing in a better O-line and way better system that is all.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Plus Denver has defined roles for their offensive players.
Thomas is the big-play deep physical WR, Decker is the move the chains, red zone guy, Stockley works the slot, Willis pounds the rock, Hillman works out of the backfield.
We just have a hodge-podge of yes talented guys, but we have just been throwing it at the wall for years now, and hoping something sticks.
Some weeks it does, some weeks it doesn’t.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:34 am
I’m hearing issues with the scanners at the polls in Florida! Oh oh..
November 6th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:28 am
They made the 2nd round of the playoffs last year with a backup QB.
I think they have one of the most talented rosters in all of football.
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LMAO, most talented rosters at 8-8????
It took a debacle by the Raiders for them to reach the playoffs.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:35 am
TALENT/POTENTIAL OR PRODUCTION. I WILL TAKE PRODUCTION 10 OUT OF 10 TIMES..
November 6th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Willis is past his prime not even close to the talent level McFadden has.
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Talent is talent, production is production.
I will go with the guy who produces and plays every Sunday.
And Decker is a lot better than you are giving him credit for. I LOVE D-Moore, and think he might be our best player.
He is certainly better after the catch than Decker is, but Decker has much better hands and is probably the better route runner.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Well, remember now, they were 8-5 at the height of all of that Tebow magic…they lost 3 in a row to end teh season, especially a 7-0 loss at KC. I think that happened with about 10 minutes left in our game at home. The crowd started chanting AFC West Champs…I guess our D had other ideas…
November 6th, 2012 at 6:39 am
I fear we are going to get a contested election. There will be problems everywhere, which means chaos and the ever dreaded riots.
Exactly what they want.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:39 am
LMAO, most talented rosters at 8-8????
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The Giants were 9-7, and they probably have THE MOST TALENTED roster in football.
Bronco’s were one of the last 8 teams playing last year, and probably will be this year, at least.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Willis is past his prime not even close to the talent level McFadden has.
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Talent is talent, production is production.
I will go with the guy who produces and plays every Sunday.
And Decker is a lot better than you are giving him credit for. I LOVE D-Moore, and think he might be our best player.
He is certainly better after the catch than Decker is, but Decker has much better hands and is probably the better route runner.
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Eff Willis, the 12th leading rusher in the NFL,
McFadden was no.1 last year when he had a legit OC and O-line.
And eff the donks, maybe you should go praise them in a dungver blog.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Dick Morris put it at 90% that Mitt wins, 60% he gets 300 electorals.
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Dick Morris is a FOX News hack. That’s like asking Mistic if he thinks Campbell is a better QB than Palmer.
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What happened with Dick Morris? He was a top advisor for Clinton back in the day.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:43 am
And eff the donks, maybe you should go praise them in a dungver blog.
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Maybe you should stop being so sensitive when trying to talk actual football.
I hope Willis breaks his leg getting out of the shower today, I would laugh at that.
But when talking football, I give an honest opinion, and don’t just shake pom-poms.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:43 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Well, remember now, they were 8-5 at the height of all of that Tebow magic…they lost 3 in a row to end teh season, especially a 7-0 loss at KC. I think that happened with about 10 minutes left in our game at home. The crowd started chanting AFC West Champs…I guess our D had other ideas…
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Exactly they stumbled into the playoffs losing 3 in a row,
where as the Giants, at 7-7 gained momentum and peaked at the right time.
It took an EPIC debacle by the Raiders at Detroit (SMH) for Dungver to get in.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:46 am
I still haven’t decided who i’m gonna vote for.
I don’t like the way the last 4 yr’s have gone and am not excited about 4 more of the same…we’re going downhill.
Then again, Romney scares me for some reason and I tend to be liberal on social issues.
Maybe i’ll go Libertarian.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:46 am
But when talking football, I give an honest opinion, and don’t just shake pom-poms.
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Your opinion may be honest but it is just laughable to say Dungver is one of the most talented teams in the NFL.
They have marginal talent on offense at best but they have the most efficient QB in Football this side of Aaron Rodgers.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:48 am
WERE THOSE DEBACLE’S AGAINST DETRIOT AND SAN DIEGO OR THE NORM FOR THE RAIDERS THE LAST 10 + YEARS
November 6th, 2012 at 6:48 am
And that was my point to begin with.
Palmer needs to be more efficient as a QB. There are too many 3 and outs thanks to his inefficiency.
He is who he is, he will never be mistaken for a Peyton Manning.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:50 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:48 am
WERE THOSE DEBACLE’S AGAINST DETRIOT AND SAN DIEGO OR THE NORM FOR THE RAIDERS THE LAST 10 + YEARS
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Against SD they just got plain WHOOPED, that has been the norm for this team last 10 years.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Still don’t think that’s an excuse, Peyton Manning doesnt have more talent around him yet he is more efficient than Palmer.
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Not true. If Palmer had Manning’s pass protection, he would be putting up huge numbers. Manning hardly ever gets touched. And, we sure don’t have anyone as explosive as Demayrious Thomas. We don’t even have an Erick Decker.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:54 am
DJ Johnny Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:46 am
I still haven’t decided who i’m gonna vote for.
I don’t like the way the last 4 yr’s have gone and am not excited about 4 more of the same…we’re going downhill.
Then again, Romney scares me for some reason and I tend to be liberal on social issues.
Maybe i’ll go Libertarian.
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I voted Green Party.
November 6th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:55 am
If Mitt doesn’t pull out one of the Prez’s firewalls (Michigan, Penn, Wisconsin) than he will have to win Ohio I believe, unless he sweeps the other swing states (which I don’t think he will).
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Weren’t you telling us last week that the election was “over” and Romney a total shoo-in?
November 6th, 2012 at 7:03 am
I’m gonna write in Lyndon LaRouche’s c0rpse.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Duck,
I was and still believe it, but it is a math equation right now, and I was just showing how the math has to work for Romney.
I think he shocks the world and wins Michigan, loses Ohio, and officially wins when Colorado goes his way very, very late in the night.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:06 am
He is who he is, he will never be mistaken for a Peyton Manning.
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Will anyone ever be mistaken for Peyton Manning?
I think Peyton has gotten a little bit of a pass in the media for his postseason issues, but he is without any doubt, the greatest REGULAR SEASON QB in NFL history.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:07 am
So Baltimore is watching a film of their old DC Chuck Pagano…I think they don’t want a meltdown on D this Sunday! In honor of Veterans Day…man, I would love nothing better than to finally beat Baltimore in their house!!!
November 6th, 2012 at 7:08 am
89.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Dick Morris put it at 90% that Mitt wins, 60% he gets 300 electorals.
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Dick Morris is a FOX News hack. That’s like asking Mistic if he thinks Campbell is a better QB than Palmer.
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Madden Raider,
I specifically remember you touting Dick Morris as one of the guys on the right who knew what they were doing…..but now that he has a prediction that goes against what MSNBC has been spoon feeding you, suddenly he is a hack?
LMAO come on man!
November 6th, 2012 at 7:10 am
I saw this story where a black panther guy was stationed at a polling place last time with a billy club and told an old white guy “you’re about to be ruled by a black man..cracker”.
Funny, cuz without ALOT of crackers voting for him there is no way he could win anyway.
The race stuff is disturbing and no president is gonna change the underlying issues it’s gotta happen at an individual level.
I think the idealistic hope was the current prez was gonna help heal some of that.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:10 am
134.RaiderDuck Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:55 am
If Mitt doesn’t pull out one of the Prez’s firewalls (Michigan, Penn, Wisconsin) than he will have to win Ohio I believe, unless he sweeps the other swing states (which I don’t think he will).
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Weren’t you telling us last week that the election was “over” and Romney a total shoo-in?
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That was me. And he is.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Still don’t think that’s an excuse, Peyton Manning doesnt have more talent around him yet he is more efficient than Palmer.
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Not true. If Palmer had Manning’s pass protection, he would be putting up huge numbers. Manning hardly ever gets touched. And, we sure don’t have anyone as explosive as Demayrious Thomas. We don’t even have an Erick Decker.
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Funny how last year under Tebow, both receivers were nobodys and now they have doubled their production. Did they all of a sudden get more talented?
Give me Thomas, I give you Dwow…Decker sucks @$$ and so do the rest of their receivers. Top to bottom, with Ford in the mix, our receivers are better.
Granted our O-line sucks, if Palmer had Dungver’s line, this team just might be 5-4 and McFadden would be last years McFadden.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Anyone wonder with Bergstrom maybe coming in…would he help?
November 6th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Already New Black Panther groups standing outside of election stations this morning…..but MSNBC is more concerned about billboards that correctly point out that voter fraud is a crime.
The President would have gotten a lot more respect had he spoken out a couple of days ago and strongly condemned acts like what are going on this morning.
This guy isn’t for change, he is for his own re-election.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:13 am
*this team just might be 5-3
November 6th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Numerous sources WAY more trustworthy and scientific than Dick Morris (who hasn’t been right about anything since Gruden was here) are predicting a solid victory for the President.
For instance: http://election.princeton.edu/
November 6th, 2012 at 7:15 am
And: http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/
November 6th, 2012 at 7:17 am
We should know pretty quickly today how things are going to go. If Virginia goes to Ob@ma it is over for Romney. If it looks like Romney is going to have a decent win, 5 points or so, in Virginia, that would spell doom for the Prez.
Get your popcorn ready!
November 6th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Oh my gosh a NY Times guy thinks Ob@ma will win!!!!! I guess we should all just go home!
November 6th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Gallup is the leading pollster in the world, and the most respected.
They have Romney winning the National election and BO barely winning the electoral.
Dick Morris nailed the 2010 elections to a T.
538 is garbage.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Later gents, I will be back in the afternoon to see how you guys are taking the Chosen One’s defeat.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:06 am
He is who he is, he will never be mistaken for a Peyton Manning.
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Will anyone ever be mistaken for Peyton Manning?
I think Peyton has gotten a little bit of a pass in the media for his postseason issues, but he is without any doubt, the greatest REGULAR SEASON QB in NFL history.
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Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Eli, and even Matt Ryan this year are in the same category. Palmer is too inefficient to be mentioned in that elite group.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:20 am
When they asked David Axelrod on the Sunday morning press shows which polls he and the campaign looks at, he cited Gallup, ABC and the Washington Post.
He probably could have rattled off another dozen or so before he got to 538.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:22 am
cant wait to read fakeotas response when mittens gets slammed….
November 6th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Dakota Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Oh my gosh a NY Times guy thinks Ob@ma will win!!!!! I guess we should all just go home!
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Oh my gosh a Republican hack (Dick Morris) thinks Romney will win!!!! I guess we should all just go home!
BTW, Nate Silver (the 538 guy) picked the 2008 election perfectly except for Indiana. I’ll take his word over Morris, who famously said Hillary would be the 2008 nominee, then said 0bama wouldn’t even run in 2012, etc, etc…
November 6th, 2012 at 7:24 am
Full disclosure alert:…this is your old friend Norco Bob,..aka doofus boob,…akas Amysincharge,…I ditched all others in my mission to get The Son to do whatever it takes to get Jon out the booth and back in Oakland where he belongs,…the time has come to right that horrific nightmare that we all woke up to learn he was sold in the middle of the night for cash and worthless draft picks,…Im all for a 3-13 season, get rid of the losers in charge like Reggie, Dennis, knapp r,..Tarver is so bad I dont know his first name….Mark, do the right thing,..bring Jon and Bruce both back. Trust this, the fanbase will explose with excitement,..I am at all games as you all know, and never have I met a fan that likes this regime,..not a one.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:24 am
The one to check in on and mercilessly mock after 0bama’s declared the winner tonight will be MistaBrown. Anytime he dares show his face in the next YEAR, I’ll be sure to ask him about that “Romney landslide” he’s been promising us.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:25 am
He didn’t say BO wouldn’t run, he said that Hillary would run against him in 2012.
Dick hates himself some Hillary, lol.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:25 am
I’ll take Oregon straight up against this Raiders defense.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:25 am
You guys think Jamarcus was a bad pick?…McLain is much worse,..a QB always has a shot to fail, just works that way,..in no way a top ten LB should fail this miserably,…typical SEC punk who just wanted the life, not the work. He must go now,..along with about 25 others.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:26 am
Dakota Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:08 am
89.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Dick Morris put it at 90% that Mitt wins, 60% he gets 300 electorals.
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Dick Morris is a FOX News hack. That’s like asking Mistic if he thinks Campbell is a better QB than Palmer.
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Madden Raider,
I specifically remember you touting Dick Morris as one of the guys on the right who knew what they were doing…..but now that he has a prediction that goes against what MSNBC has been spoon feeding you, suddenly he is a hack?
LMAO come on man!
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Come on Dakota! I know you are smarter than that. I am not Madden Raider. I have never posted anything on Dick Morris in my life before today. Everyone knows I live in Chicago and Madden Raider lives in Sacramento.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:27 am
When old Al died, the fear of losing left the building,..it will return with the return of Jon Gruden.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:25 am
He didn’t say BO wouldn’t run, he said that Hillary would run against him in 2012.
Dick hates himself some Hillary, lol.
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Actually, go back and check his old YouTube “lunchtime” videos. There was one in early 2011 where he specifically said 0bama was going to drop out.
The reason he hates Hillary is because he got her husband elected Governor of Arkansas and re-elected President in ‘96, but Hillary refused to kiss his butt. Say what you want about her, but she’s a very smart person who correctly recognized someone even more amoral than herself and Bill.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:29 am
But that’s the difference between a Clinton administration and an O’bumski one.
Clinton hired a conservative like Morris to lead his campaign, because he knew that he had to meet in the middle to be a two-term president.
BO just surrounds himself with Chicago yes-man, and if he loses tonight, that will be reason #1,2,3 and 4.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Anyone in here that mentions Dick Morris has fell into his trapp,..all hes doing is trying to sell his online tv show,…he hasnt done poll research in 15 years.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:31 am
As for people wanting Gruden to come back: please name one coach since George Halas who was successful after returning to his old team (and no, I don’t consider Joe Gibbs making the playoffs ONCE in five seasons “successful”).
November 6th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Art Shell was successful in getting us JaMarcus!
November 6th, 2012 at 7:33 am
It is pretty sick that you can’t type a comment using the President of the United States name. I wonder if Romney wins if we won’t be able to type that anymore, or maybe we will be able to type the other guys name again?
November 6th, 2012 at 7:33 am
I couldnt care less about coaches that returned,..Jon was run out,…sold,..it was BS,…that wrong needs to be righted.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:33 am
I don’t think the Oakland Raider job is going to be the one to pry Gruden from his current gig.
I highly doubt we would stand to make more money, and the workload is probably massively heavier.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Palmer has the fire and will to compete.
So does DMoore. He was put in a slot position to fail last Sunday by a dim bulb. DMoore has greatness in the makings.
DHB is a baller.
Gio is a competitor.
Condo, Jano and Lechler are pros.
DMAC needs a scheme built around his above average strengths, not a disign flaw game plan.
Wiz needs to be used correctly.
Let go the rest and start over, part II.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Jon wants to return,..Amy wants him back as does Mark,…all we need is a 3-13 year,..and thats very doable,..worst case scenario is 4-12.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:36 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:27 am
When old Al died, the fear of losing left the building,..it will return with the return of Jon Gruden.
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Wrong, you got it backwards. Under Al, the last decade, all major FA’s or trades were check cashers the remnants of which can still be found today.
Names like Seymour and Kelly come to mind.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:37 am
hard to name coaches that have gone back to their new teams, too specific
November 6th, 2012 at 7:38 am
DJ, don’t let your Raider frustrations overshadow your voting. You live in Wisconsin, right? Your state is one that could go either way so please vote for 1 of the 2 bigs. A libertarian vote may result in unintended consequences. Now Albert, on the other hand lives in an O state so he can make a protest vote without any consequences. Please Vote for 1 of the 2, even if you have to hold your nose while doing so.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:38 am
inonewordraider Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:37 am
hard to name coaches that have gone back to their new teams, too specific
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Phil Jackson coming back to the Lakers is the only one that comes to mind.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:39 am
DMAC needs a scheme built around his above average strengths, not a disign flaw game plan.
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depends how long he’s out, i’m noticing a pattern with this guy. and gio was exposed last game. everyone has a bad one but let’s see if it’s an ongoing theme
November 6th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Amy quit her CEO job when she found out the old man sold Jon,…wasnt consulted,..wasnt due to Al knew EVERYONE would hate it,…she stayed on reluctantly,…I know for a fact her and Mark will try hard to convince Jon to return,..Jon still has a place in Pleasanton,…as does Mark. (Blackhawk)
November 6th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Im talking about the coaching staff Boss.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:29 am
But that’s the difference between a Clinton administration and an O’bumski one.
Clinton hired a conservative like Morris to lead his campaign, because he knew that he had to meet in the middle to be a two-term president.
BO just surrounds himself with Chicago yes-man, and if he loses tonight, that will be reason #1,2,3 and 4.
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you can hate O but you can’t really like Mitt can you?
November 6th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Arkraider, DJ lives in Chicago.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:42 am
This guy isn’t for change, he is for his own re-election
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name one economic policy of mitts you like?
November 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Im talking about the coaching staff Boss.
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There is a fear of lack of production now under D. A.
McClain got demoted. Now Willie Smith is about to get replaced with Bergstrom. TJ has been dog housed. I only wish Bryant would start taking more reps from Seymour.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Bob
Will Gruden join the team before or after Mark moves them to LA?
Mark is dead set on standing pat with Reg/DA. Gruden might coach the Beagles or the crackboys but not that Raiders
You been popping norcos again?
I cant stop
November 6th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Cowlin Herd is comparing NFL teams to actors. Ben Affleck = the Atlanta Falcons. He has a spotty past, but it is doing great lately. What actor do you think would represent the Raiders? I say Jack Nicholson. Great in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s. Made a slight comeback in Departed. But now is bloated and mostly just living off his reputation.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:45 am
I like Mitt a lot. Shook his hand at the Claimjumpers in Henderson, NV in 2008.
He is an investment guy like myself, just on a massively bigger scale, lol.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Head,..I moved on from Norcos, been a couple years,…as far as Mark goes all hes into now is either finding someone to pay for a new stadium, or getting an offer he cant refuse to sell,…Amy is the one trying to lure Jon back. Mark would go for it for sure if Jon was interested.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:47 am
DMAC needs a scheme built around his above average strengths, not a disign flaw game plan.
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Building a schme around an injury prone RB is what we did last year, and it bite us.
Can’t rely on Darren enough to build anything specifically for him.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:48 am
boss01 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:43 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Im talking about the coaching staff Boss.
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Art Shell.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Cowlin Herd is comparing NFL teams to actors. Ben Affleck = the Atlanta Falcons. He has a spotty past, but it is doing great lately. What actor do you think would represent the Raiders? I say Jack Nicholson. Great in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s. Made a slight comeback in Departed. But now is bloated and mostly just living off his reputation.
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More like Eddie Murphy. Peaked in the early 80’s with Trading Places and Beverly Hills Cop. Then had just one hit since then in the early 00’s with The Nutty Professor. Has been a joke ever since.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Cute story Vegas,..but I can assure you Mitt boiled his hand after he touched your greasy fingers.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:49 am
I think its pretty clear who will be gone, from a Salary/Production stand point:
1) McClain
2) Seymore
3) Kelly
4) Willie Smith
5) DHB
6) DMAC
7) Mike Mitchell
November 6th, 2012 at 7:50 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:47 am
Head,..I moved on from Norcos, been a couple years,…as far as Mark goes all hes into now is either finding someone to pay for a new stadium, or getting an offer he cant refuse to sell,…Amy is the one trying to lure Jon back. Mark would go for it for sure if Jon was interested.
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If Gruden were to return, for some reason I think a new stadium would be there too. Kinda a no brainer.
Gruden = for real Mark means business.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Nah, it was a private party thing, about 50 people there.
My firm was next door to the Claimjumpers and we knew all the bar tenders and what not, and they let us in through the kitchen exit.
My good buddy got to ask him a question but they passed the mic past me.
I would have pleaded with him to privatize Social Security.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Why would gruden come here? Why would we hire this staff first? Sounds like nonsense
November 6th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Colin Cowheard is the biggest dumb@ss in sports radio btw.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Cowlin Herd is comparing NFL teams to actors. Ben Affleck = the Atlanta Falcons. He has a spotty past, but it is doing great lately. What actor do you think would represent the Raiders? I say Jack Nicholson. Great in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s. Made a slight comeback in Departed. But now is bloated and mostly just living off his reputation.
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More like Eddie Murphy. Peaked in the early 80’s with Trading Places and Beverly Hills Cop. Then had just one hit since then in the early 00’s with The Nutty Professor. Has been a joke ever since.
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I’d say the Raiders are more like Stallone, solid late 70s early 80’s, have been a joke to everyone else ever since, yet they still think they are the toughest mudas out there..
November 6th, 2012 at 7:51 am
DJ Johnny Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 6:46 am
I still haven’t decided who i’m gonna vote for.
I don’t like the way the last 4 yr’s have gone and am not excited about 4 more of the same…we’re going downhill.
Then again, Romney scares me for some reason and I tend to be liberal on social issues.
Maybe i’ll go Libertarian.
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32 straight months of groth
7.9% unemployment to 10.1% at the height of recession
housing starts reahced pre recession levels last month
health insurers can’t deny you for pre existing conditions
strict wall st regulations/no stated income home loans
osama dead/iraq over/afghanistan over in 2014
reduction of nuclear weapons
money for distressed homeowners to avoid foreclosures
lawsuits against unfair bank practices
mitt believes in trickle down economics do you? didn’t work for bush or for reagan, bush 2 actually had to clean up some of reagans mess by raising taxes. voucher for medicare?
overturn roe v wade (he’ll get conservative justices)?
who do you thinks liklier to go to war w/ iran?
end or decrease of mortgage int deduction, child care credits, ed credits to enact his across the board tax cuts & more military spending
ending nuclear proliferation treaty w/ russia
November 6th, 2012 at 7:53 am
32 straight months of groth
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We are supposed to grow, at about 240K jobs a month. We are doing anywhere from 50-80% of that.
W had like 80 straight months of growth, lol.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:54 am
end or decrease of mortgage int deduction, child care credits, ed credits to enact his across the board tax cuts & more military spending
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He has said repeatedly that he would cap it at around 25K or so for the deductions, which would be for someone with about a $3 million dollar mortgage.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Marks hair Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Why would gruden come here? Why would we hire this staff first? Sounds like nonsense
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Gruden is a Raider at heart.
Raiders and fans are desperate.
Current staff is in over their heads, upside down if you will. Out coached every Sunday.
We have a pipe dream offense and a defense questionably worse than last year.
Gruden may be a pipe dream, but there must be some hope, somewhere.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:56 am
Did you ever imagine our D could top last years effort? We had no place to go last year but up. Strange how that works.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Inonewordraider Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:37 am
hard to name coaches that have gone back to their new teams, too specific
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To name a few:
Joe Gibbs
Art Shell
Marion Campbell
Chuck Knox
George Allen
November 6th, 2012 at 7:57 am
DA isn’t going anywhere.
November 6th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Somebody ask Cork today if Gruden is coming back. I’ll be out of reach or I would. Have a nice day.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:57 am
DA isn’t going anywhere.
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Not with three wins so far (plus at least three more in the second half). Reggie will keep him, they’ll make adjustments together re the staff, and cut a TON of familiar names.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Cork is not going to say even if he did know…
If Gruden comes back, would you take Callhan back as OC?
November 6th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Head,..I moved on from Norcos
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You dont know what you are missing. They get better with age
Im off to vote for more of the same, only worse.
Black Panthers beware. Im packing like all Zonas and I have backup in the truck. Her name is Magoo and she has sharp teeth.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Duck, I will take a cast of nobodys, and make them gel as a team anyday!
November 6th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Yup, I am out of here as well.
I will be back to mock the hell out of people or eat some serious crow, lol.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:04 am
I love Gru as much as any member of the Raider Nation, but please remind me of which young players Gru developed? We have a young team, which is going to get younger next year. Gru ain’t the guy for the job, he is the guy that takes over the vet team and pushes them over the top.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:06 am
I think Gruden has lost the edge and it wont come back
Plus, I dont like the way they set up Cam on his QB show with the question about playcalls.
Cam looked like a big dummy and they should have edited it out.
I did not really think that way untill I read the article about the Pats nohuddle offense. Its not what I thought it was and theres a few “nohuddle” offenses.
Cam had never heard 32 cross 27 split right yada yadda, not because he was dumb (which they made it look like on purpose) but because Auburn, Oregon, Boise St and many others use the nohuddle which I call the flash card offense
Thats was straight BS and I can see why black folks get pissed when that happens.
Read that article and you will agree with what I say
Vegas, you should have read it
November 6th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Yup, I am out of here as well.
I will be back to mock the hell out of people or eat some serious crow, lol.
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As will I. Both you and Dakota I enjoy talking politics with. MistaBrown, on the other hand, I will endlessly if 0bama wins tonight.
Anyway, off to the polls. GARY JOHNSON 2012!
November 6th, 2012 at 8:08 am
*endlessly mock
November 6th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Reggie just gave da a 4 yr deal.. reggie doesnt want to look like an idiot and mark doesnt want to be an overbearing owner like his old man. Da will be here next yr.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Reggie just gave da a 4 yr deal.. reggie doesnt want to look like an idiot and mark doesnt want to be an overbearing owner like his old man. Da will be here next yr.
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I personally had the over-under on DA staying at 2 wins (if we’d gone 1-15, there was a chance Reggie would have cut the cord). Now that we have three wins (with several more very winnable games on the schedule), we will probably see significant turnover in players and some in assistants (*cough* Pollack *cough*), but the core staff and its philosophy will remain.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:20 am
big decision at rb this week. who to bring in? stewart? big back who knows the playbook. or go with reece to compliment taiwan, but reece isn’t really a rb, and hasn’t run between the tackles much in his life.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Gruden is not a true Raider in any sense of the word.
If anything he is more an Eagle, a Packer, a Buck than a Raider.
Won’t hate on him for taking advantage of a horrible game plan against us in the SB.
The truth is he almost drove the Bucks into the ground with horrible draft picks like Cadillac Williams.
He essentially inherited Tony Dungy’s team and took them to the SB. When they got old, they were the same old Bucks.
When he was with the Raiders, Al / Mike Lombardi brought in all the talent. Not sure if he was the one who brought in Rich Gannon, but that’s about all I would give him credit for. That and installing a more proficient WC offense.
Other than that, he is overrated as a HC.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:20 am
216. Yup.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Start tp at rb
November 6th, 2012 at 8:28 am
joseph addai
khalil bell
rock cartwright
earnest graham
tim hightower
jerrious norwood
derrick ward
cadillac williams
will one of these guys be a raider this week?
November 6th, 2012 at 8:29 am
btw, for those of u missing wimbley, he has a whopping 3.5 sacks in 9 games played this year. money well saved.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am
i’m betting they bring up stewart from the PS.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:30 am
dr_robert Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 8:29 am
btw, for those of u missing wimbley, he has a whopping 3.5 sacks in 9 games played this year. money well saved.
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That would still make him our leading pass rusher sadly.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:33 am
@JayGlazer: Raiders are activating Aaron Curry off PUP today
November 6th, 2012 at 8:35 am
bye bye keenan clayton i imagine
November 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am
or goethel
November 6th, 2012 at 8:37 am
wish it was mcclain
November 6th, 2012 at 8:38 am
bye bye Slomania
November 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am
i don’t think it’s likely the raiders would go into the game with only taiwan, reece, and scmitt. gotta have another guy. since taiwan will be hurt by halftime.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:47 am
McClain’s snaps will go from 30 down to 15 max now.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:47 am
dr_robert Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 8:41 am
i don’t think it’s likely the raiders would go into the game with only taiwan, reece, and scmitt. gotta have another guy. since taiwan will be hurt by halftime.
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Or coughed it up four times.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Why is Taiwan Jones still in the doghouse? That end around fumble was ages ago. He should get a chance to run the ball with both Goodson and DMC ailing. As long as the playcalls are audible stretch plays to the weakside outside gap, Taiwan has the wheels to get downfield quickly. Just don’t ask Taiwan to navigate the scrum. He gets taken down with a LB’s pinky finger.
November 6th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Turn Reece to permanent RB, at least he doesn’t get injured on every freaking tackle, turn Mcfadden to WR, maybe he can run a hitch route without getting a turf toe , and Curry is off the PUP list, SUPERBOWL BABY
November 6th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Glad to have Curry back. Took long enough. It’s not like we couldn’t have used him against the Bucs. Surely would have helped and the result couldn’t be worse.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:02 am
I hope Curry can hold up for the rest of the season. The defense desperately needs a LB that flies around and doesnt jog around. One that gets off blocks and knows where he needs to be.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:03 am
153.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 7:20 am
When they asked David Axelrod on the Sunday morning press shows which polls he and the campaign looks at, he cited Gallup, ABC and the Washington Post.
He probably could have rattled off another dozen or so before he got to 538.
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That’s probably because he recognizes what you do not.
538 is not a poll.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:07 am
0bama is chilling and playing basketball this morning. He knows he’s got this thing locked up.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:08 am
hope bergs is better that smith at this point, right tackle a huge prob.
ravens have a horrible run d, to bad taiwan is a fumbling injury prone machine
cp’s gonna have to work miracles to get us in the playoffs with our d deciding to suck again, and with that game deciding pick not very optimistic.
our only hope:
cp plays elite
da coaches up d bigtime
taiwan lives up to what al thought he’d be
November 6th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Hopefully they can use Curry at FS, instead of Giordano , he was no where near the ball on any of the TD’s , he let Vjax run by him for long completion on 3rd and long play
November 6th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Raiders will beat the Ravens. Flacco will have 3 INTs.
Raiders 27
Ravens 19
November 6th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Start any one at RT , cut that POS SMith, REECE AT RB,
November 6th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Hopefully Barnes is ready to go.
Wonder who they let go for Curry.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:25 am
I bet no one believes that anyone would say welcome back Barnes!
November 6th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Why they haven’t brought in Sterling Moore is beyond me. Huff could move back to safety where he belongs and I think we’d be way better off. As much as I think Routt is way over rated and I dont’ really like him very much, he might be worth bringing back just to fill the void until we can get some decent corners because we don’t have any right now.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Compared to Willie Smith, Barnes is Orlando Pace
November 6th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I wish we had Ivory, that dude is a beast but he’s stuck behind three good backs in NO and doesn’t get time unless someone is hurt.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Sterling is on the Pats practice squad.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:39 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 9:25 am
I bet no one believes that anyone would say welcome back Barnes
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Welcome back Barnes!! Palmer is lucky he hasn’t been maimed yet, I will say that much.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:40 am
jesusraiderjim Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 9:39 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 9:25 am
I bet no one believes that anyone would say welcome back Barnes
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Welcome back Barnes!! Palmer is lucky he hasn’t been maimed yet, I will say that much.
I know…I would never believe that I would say that!
November 6th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Just like we thought the D could not get any worse SMH! That was one of the most disappointing loses in my 45 yr fandom!
I tryed not to fall into the hope of winning and was screaming for joy in the 4th Q.
LOSING SUCKS!! Getting your guts ripped out SUCKS even more
November 6th, 2012 at 9:43 am
*tried* for all U spell checkers in blogville
November 6th, 2012 at 9:45 am
I know, frustrating because the O errupted after that 2 pt conversion!
November 6th, 2012 at 9:47 am
The O.co hell. Me and my son erupted too. We were poised for a W and got Bvtch slapped instead LOL!
November 6th, 2012 at 9:53 am
I hear ya! Bad thing is we had a Bucs fan right above us! … oh well, couldn’t say anything!
November 6th, 2012 at 9:53 am
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1397016-carson-palmer-quarterback-not-the-problem-for-oakland-raiders?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=oakland-raiders
November 6th, 2012 at 9:56 am
253.hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 9:45 am
I know, frustrating because the O errupted after that 2 pt conversion!
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Even still…. When was the last time we were even “IN” a game like that. It was exciting as hell for about 10 minutes. I’m still behind Palmer. That’s normally the type of game we just roll over and play dead.
In my opinion, getting my guts ripped out was better that staring lifelessly at the screen, completely void of emotion other than disgust. My guts were ripped out because that was a hellacious comeback in the making….I’ll take the comeback. For the 1st sunday in a long time…”I was a believer again…” and it felt good.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Got back from voting a little while ago. Gary Johnson for Prez and Paul Penzone for Maricopa County Sheriff (replacing “America’s Toughest Media Whore” Joe Arpaio). Now kicking back and listening to the new Aerosmith on Spotify.
November 6th, 2012 at 9:58 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 9:53 am
I hear ya! Bad thing is we had a Bucs fan right above us! … oh well, couldn’t say anything!
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Tell me about it. I have to live in and around Bucs fans. All I hear on local sports radio is how the Bucs destroyed the Raiders. I lost money and pride on that game. Radio is unlistenable.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am
In my opinion, getting my guts ripped out was better that staring lifelessly at the screen, completely void of emotion other than disgust. My guts were ripped out because that was a hellacious comeback in the making….I’ll take the comeback. For the 1st sunday in a long time…”I was a believer again…” and it felt good.
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You are correct sir. It was a great feeling to think we had a chance. It used to be that way alot, maybe it will be again. Almost is better than an ASS whoopin!!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:07 am
What up DMAC?
Impart some of your sage Green Party wisdom upon us!!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Missed out yesterday…
Whats the news??
Is it CP3’s fault again??
lol
The D couldn’t stop speedy Gonzalez for anything. The secondary came back to reality.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
What up Jesus
Full force for 2016
Vote Green!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
well well well, here we sit at 3-5 with no discernible identity and no clear direction other than slowly down. the raider look like a man that is struggling to keep his head above water yet is only delaying the inevitable drowning.
So far allen and tarver have been uneven at best. The defense at times this season has looked much improved, but those times have been breif, and come against very weak competition. In fact the raider defense has only held 1 team under 22 points in eight games, the chiefs
Allen whom is supposed to be a defensive coach has a defense that melts down and implodes at the most critical juncture. I dont see a difference in the scoring defense between allen/tarver, hujack/bresnahan cable and marshall.
The common thread through all of this is a core of players. Branch huff, kelly and big dick. these players are all paid like probowl players, yet none are performing that way, and we seem to say this every year. To be fair to allen and tarver i believe it is clear that most if not all have to go, so that we may see what the coaches can do when they get their players.
I would not say the same for the offensive coaches. as much criticism as knapp takes the truth is that in 5 of 8 games we have scored 20 or more points. That is not a record setting season by any stretch, but it is decent. what must be remembered is that knapp doesnt have the team to execute his scheme in place. he needs a qb and an o line, and a rb that will run the outside zone well. The question is even if he had his guys how high would his ceiling be? I think that if the raiders score more than 20 points in 7 or 8 more games knapp can make a strong case for remaining and having a shot with guys that can actually run his offense. Yes it starts with the qb.
I am interested to know which of the players have played their way out of oakland going into next year. my guess is the list will surprise some here. some guys thogu are clearly on the bubble. Romac, kelly, palmer, dmac, seymour. Big names cashing big checks but are not leading to w’s
November 6th, 2012 at 10:10 am
What Hwnrdr
Missed u at the tailgate again
I was on 1 in C lot
Hooked up w/ B for a min and met Mr. Brown
November 6th, 2012 at 10:10 am
The D couldn’t stop my dead Grandma most of the time. SMH.
Of course its Palmers fault! You know where you are right? LOL
Idiot trolls. If it weren’t for Palmer we aint even in the game. The INT sucked but Moore looks confused out there and Knapp should have been a bit more conservative IMO
November 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
theghostronin79 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 9:56 am
253.hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 9:45 am
I know, frustrating because the O errupted after that 2 pt conversion!
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Even still…. When was the last time we were even “IN” a game like that. It was exciting as hell for about 10 minutes. I’m still behind Palmer. That’s normally the type of game we just roll over and play dead.
In my opinion, getting my guts ripped out was better that staring lifelessly at the screen, completely void of emotion other than disgust. My guts were ripped out because that was a hellacious comeback in the making….I’ll take the comeback. For the 1st sunday in a long time…”I was a believer again…” and it felt good.
I agree!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Bounce back win this Sunday!
Yeah, I’m sipping on the kool-aide and chasing it w/ some Goose.
We’ll win
November 6th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Who the fk ran the wrong route?
Def. some miscommunication there.
Had plenty of time on clock, plus 2 TO’s.
All we needed was 3 to tie!!!!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Bucs are who we thought they were , thats why we took the field , now if you want crown them then crown their ass, we let them off the hook, they are who we thought they were
– Dennis Allen going Dennis green style
November 6th, 2012 at 10:14 am
#265 Mistic
Good post but I disagree about Palmer.
No since arguing lets just agree to disagree considering the whole blog knows your take on Palmer.
The rest of the post is spot on.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:15 am
This Doug Martin dude looks like the real deal. Reminds me of MJD. Dude is shifty and has great awareness and speed.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:15 am
No worries DMAC! Only B came by this week!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Thanks for the link Raiderbuck GREAT article!
I agreed with it 100% and I really liked this last paragraph:
Come time for the NFL Draft, people will fall in love with a top QB prospect and point to Palmer’s age as a reason to move in that direction. The Raiders, in hopes of getting back to greatness under their new regime, would be better suited addressing their other holes in a draft that is loaded with defensive talent.
With an extremely young receiving corps and considering his play with the Raiders in 2011 and 2012, a veteran quarterback like Palmer is the man to lead this team. As he and the rest of the players settle into this offense, they will only continue to get better.
While he may not be a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning future Hall of Fame player, Palmer should be considered the Raiders’ franchise quarterback both now, and in the years to come.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:15 am
He is a good runner. We made him look like a Pro Bowler.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Yeah and I bet even Martin didn’t think he will have 3 TD runs of 45 yards or greater!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Who saids you can’t run a no huddle all game?
CP3 for playcaller!
Knapp may have some plays, but he is clueless on when to use them properly.
It’s about fk’n time we used Reece. Didn’t I said he’s a threat in the red zone?
November 6th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Palmer is great he is the reason we have won those 3 games and I am confident the GM and HC feel this way as well.
Palmer is here to stay for a long time get used to it guys!
I know people like Mistic1 want him gone but he is not going anywhere as long as RM and DA are here and I am going to buy another #3 Jersey for Xmas!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Ok, how about this…
Do you guys think it’s fair that Palmer gets all the rap in here for losing the game yesterday? Some people have an agenda against Palmer, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion! However, was it Palmer’s fault that JC went down and Boller was who we all knew he to be and get traded to the Raiders giving up the 2012 1st round pick and the conditional 2013 2nd rounder? In years past, I have never seen any quarter back from being down 18 and at least a shot! We came back against a pretty good Pitt team down 10! And for once, I do not see any quit in the team! Defense, it looked like they did yesterday, but not the offense!
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Spittin’ some truth here Mr. H! That’s exactly what I said…teams of late would’ve quit that one.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am
This article is spot on and has me excited about the future of the Raiders!!!!!!!!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1397016-carson-palmer-quarterback-not-the-problem-for-oakland-raiders?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=oakland-raiders
November 6th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Mistic lemme be the first to feed your troll hunger , I was surprised by your post ,not that you posted but I’m curious if that’s the real Mistic cuz his posts go like Palmer..blah…blah …Palmer.blah.. Blah ..blah .. Palmer..Palmer ..blah blah ..”wave of future ” blah blah ..Palmer…. Freeman …blah blah blah , total turnovers ..11 losses…… blah blah So I’m not sure if that’s real Mistic who just posted right now ….so will the real Mistic please stand up
November 6th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:09 am
well well well, here we sit at 3-5 with no discernible identity and no clear direction other than slowly down. the raider look like a man that is struggling to keep his head above water yet is only delaying the inevitable drowning.
So far allen and tarver have been uneven at best. The defense at times this season has looked much improved, but those times have been breif, and come against very weak competition. In fact the raider defense has only held 1 team under 22 points in eight games, the chiefs
Allen whom is supposed to be a defensive coach has a defense that melts down and implodes at the most critical juncture. I dont see a difference in the scoring defense between allen/tarver, hujack/bresnahan cable and marshall.
The common thread through all of this is a core of players. Branch huff, kelly and big dick. these players are all paid like probowl players, yet none are performing that way, and we seem to say this every year. To be fair to allen and tarver i believe it is clear that most if not all have to go, so that we may see what the coaches can do when they get their players.
I would not say the same for the offensive coaches. as much criticism as knapp takes the truth is that in 5 of 8 games we have scored 20 or more points. That is not a record setting season by any stretch, but it is decent. what must be remembered is that knapp doesnt have the team to execute his scheme in place. he needs a qb and an o line, and a rb that will run the outside zone well. The question is even if he had his guys how high would his ceiling be? I think that if the raiders score more than 20 points in 7 or 8 more games knapp can make a strong case for remaining and having a shot with guys that can actually run his offense. Yes it starts with the qb.
I am interested to know which of the players have played their way out of oakland going into next year. my guess is the list will surprise some here. some guys thogu are clearly on the bubble. Romac, kelly, palmer, dmac, seymour. Big names cashing big checks but are not leading to w’s
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This is actually a well thought out and reasonable post. Why don’t you stick to things like this instead of your constant trolling about Palmer?
You almost make this forum completely unreadable when you are banging on Palmer like a complete moron. Is that what you want when you are doing it?
Scorched earth?
November 6th, 2012 at 10:22 am
When an offense scores 22 points in the 4th quarter 99% of the time you win…..we lost to Tampa on Sunday after scoring 22 points ion the 4th quarter I would have to pin that on the “D” I am sure that RM and DA see it that way as well.
Me and DA are in lock step right now (remember when Mistic1 said he and Hue Jackson were in lock step LMAO)
November 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Raider4Life209 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:19 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 5th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Ok, how about this…
Do you guys think it’s fair that Palmer gets all the rap in here for losing the game yesterday? Some people have an agenda against Palmer, which is fine, everyone is entitled to their own opinion! However, was it Palmer’s fault that JC went down and Boller was who we all knew he to be and get traded to the Raiders giving up the 2012 1st round pick and the conditional 2013 2nd rounder? In years past, I have never seen any quarter back from being down 18 and at least a shot! We came back against a pretty good Pitt team down 10! And for once, I do not see any quit in the team! Defense, it looked like they did yesterday, but not the offense!
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Spittin’ some truth here Mr. H! That’s exactly what I said…teams of late would’ve quit that one.
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Real Talk!
There’s no QUIT in this team.
I love that schit!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
I don’t think teams of past quit , it was more like we lacked talent at QB position,a guy who can lead us back into the game by his arm, if JC was the QB on Sunday , we would have went 3n outs and the other team would have kept running Martin to run the clock out and e would have gained like 500 yards by the end of the game
November 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
The schedule has been kind so far, but looking ahead i see rough waters ahead for this leaky pirate ship.
The baltimoare game will get out of hand quickly if we turn the ball over. I dont see this team being able to contain rice flacco and smith. I can see the ravens scoring 24 or more and the raiders struggling to keep up. palmer will need to throw it a ton as dmac on one leg simply wont cut it and goodson is best when he runs screens, but he is also gimpy at the moment. If Carson throws picks and we will get blown out.
The saints we have at home, the problem here is again our defense and their offense. brees and company will feats on our secondary. they have now decided to be blitz crazy, this will rattle palmer as he has struggled against a pass rush at times this year.
Then the bungle bowl palmer vs hu jack. this is a road game and think palmer may dig a little deeper against his former team. Im not going to dismiss the raiders in this one, but palmer will need to play his best game of the year to win. Dalton and green can put up points in a hurry, and our defense is leaky to say the least.
These next 3 games are crucial, finish 2-1 and you are building something positive. Finish 1-2 or 0-3 and it will guys will be setting up vacations and mailing it in.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I’ve been a fan for so long, that even though I HATE negativity, I know it comes with the territory! We haven’t done squat in 28 years! Nothing really (and getting blown out in the biggest stage does not count)!
But hey…until I die! And teh kids take over!!!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Palmer is not going anywhere either start cheering for him or go to some other blog but he is NOT going anywhere.
Palmer will retire a Raider and DA and RM will keep him here as long as he can play the game because of his unselfish manner and commitment and dedication even though we are a rebuilding team.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:27 am
On the TD pass to Hagan that was called back.
Did we eventually score on that drive?
Don’t recall what happened.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I’ve been a fan for so long, that even though I HATE negativity, I know it comes with the territory! We haven’t done squat in 28 years! Nothing really (and getting blown out in the biggest stage does not count)!
But hey…until I die! And teh kids take over!!!
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Word!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
YES ,Palmer threw the int ,but no other QB would have even brought us that close to the score being down 18 heading into the 4th ,the game would have been over by end of 3rd
November 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Who the fk ran the wrong route on the INT that went straight to the safety?
November 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
DMAC Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:27 am
On the TD pass to Hagan that was called back.
Did we eventually score on that drive?
Don’t recall what happened.
No! Punt
November 6th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Raider4Life209…thanks man!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:30 am
290.DMAC Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:27 am
On the TD pass to Hagan that was called back.
Did we eventually score on that drive?
Don’t recall what happened.
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Pretty sure we cashed in 3 instead of 6 on that particular drive.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
DMAC Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:27 am
On the TD pass to Hagan that was called back.
Did we eventually score on that drive?
Don’t recall what happened.
No! Punt
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Thanks to a holding call by Willie Smith…that hold actually may have cost us the game..He should be cut today to clear a roster spot for either Curry or who every is brought in at RB
November 6th, 2012 at 10:31 am
See I told you guys the other post was not the real Mistic , real Mistic just stood up , read his last post
November 6th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Is that the best the Raiders are going to get out of Veldheer. The Raiders sure Know how to waste good prospects. When the Raiders get young players on the def. or off. line with decent talent you can expect stunted growth syndrome to take place during the second year. They Just never seem to get better.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:32 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:29 am
DMAC Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:27 am
On the TD pass to Hagan that was called back.
Did we eventually score on that drive?
Don’t recall what happened.
No! Punt
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That 1 fk’n hurted.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:33 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
I don’t think teams of past quit , it was more like we lacked talent at QB position,a guy who can lead us back into the game by his arm, if JC was the QB on Sunday , we would have went 3n outs and the other team would have kept running Martin to run the clock out and e would have gained like 500 yards by the end of the game
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Can we just agree that it likely would’ve been a little bit of both?
November 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am
We didn’t score on that TD called back drive, Streater should have brought the ball in on the drive we settled for fg ,I thought Palmer threw a nice pass to him, we left many points on the board in the 1st half , score should have been 21-7 heading into half
November 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Raider4Life209…thanks man!
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I always give credit when it’s due…no sweat.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am
And wasn’t that a late flag? I remember everyone finished high fiving and then we were like “WHAT???”
November 6th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Raider4Life209 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:33 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
I don’t think teams of past quit , it was more like we lacked talent at QB position,a guy who can lead us back into the game by his arm, if JC was the QB on Sunday , we would have went 3n outs and the other team would have kept running Martin to run the clock out and e would have gained like 500 yards by the end of the game
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Can we just agree that it likely would’ve been a little bit of both?
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Yeah a little bit of both,when players look at their QB and don’t have confidence in him to make the throws in obvious passing down situations, they just start making plans for what they would like to do after the game ,going into the 4th quarter
November 6th, 2012 at 10:40 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am
We didn’t score on that TD called back drive, Streater should have brought the ball in on the drive we settled for fg ,I thought Palmer threw a nice pass to him, we left many points on the board in the 1st half , score should have been 21-7 heading into half
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There are so many problems on this team, and missed opportunities are just a part of the game. Like I’ve said, it’s the teams that can overcome their own mistakes and capitalize on the other guys that make the difference. One thing is for sure, one man isn’t to blame. I just ignore that dude like I do Beecham. You can’t compete with ignorance.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am
And wasn’t that a late flag? I remember everyone finished high fiving and then we were like “WHAT???”
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Yeah that was a pretty late flag ,smith got beat by his man, on that int by palmer on the throw intended for Moore , smith cost us points in Atl as well I believe he was called for holding on 3 or 4 big plays
November 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Had Willie POS Smith not held on that play it would have changed the complexion of the entire game. With a big lead, Martin doesnt get that many carries in the 2nd half, the D would have pinned their ears back and unleashed on Freeman.
The game would have been shifted from Martin’s to Freeman’s hands. My guess is, he would have choked the game away in his hands.
For that, Willie POS Smith needs to get shot the hell out of a cannon into the gay side of the bay.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:43 am
It was a team loss! Palmer took the blame, and at least we have someone that will shoulder the blame and not point fingers!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:44 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am
And wasn’t that a late flag? I remember everyone finished high fiving and then we were like “WHAT???”
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Yeah that was a pretty late flag ,smith got beat by his man, on that int by palmer on the throw intended for Moore , smith cost us points in Atl as well I believe he was called for holding on 3 or 4 big plays
I swear that ATL game…every friggen time we crossed the first down marker…here comes the hanky!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:44 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Raider4Life209 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:33 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:24 am
I don’t think teams of past quit , it was more like we lacked talent at QB position,a guy who can lead us back into the game by his arm, if JC was the QB on Sunday , we would have went 3n outs and the other team would have kept running Martin to run the clock out and e would have gained like 500 yards by the end of the game
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Can we just agree that it likely would’ve been a little bit of both?
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Yeah a little bit of both,when players look at their QB and don’t have confidence in him to make the throws in obvious passing down situations, they just start making plans for what they would like to do after the game ,going into the 4th quarter
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Precisely.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Raider4Life209 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:40 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:36 am
We didn’t score on that TD called back drive, Streater should have brought the ball in on the drive we settled for fg ,I thought Palmer threw a nice pass to him, we left many points on the board in the 1st half , score should have been 21-7 heading into half
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There are so many problems on this team, and missed opportunities are just a part of the game. Like I’ve said, it’s the teams that can overcome their own mistakes and capitalize on the other guys that make the difference. One thing is for sure, one man isn’t to blame. I just ignore that dude like I do Beecham. You can’t compete with ignorance.
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Yeah it’s true man, n we still had the chance to win ,if our receivers knew how to run real routes,that play never gets called and if our O line knew hot to block ,Palmer probably connects with streater cuz he had his man beat ..Palmer would have been the talk of the NfL this week ,but instead we get a full week of Mistic
November 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Dmac during his first couple of season was known to get tripped up easily. Last year he was breaking more tackles and more elusive before he got hurt. With the zone blocking you are likely to get swiped from the sides often and must be strong enough to break arm tackles. I only seen that sparingly with Dmac. The Zome blocking scheme is not his game.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
309.hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:43 am
It was a team loss! Palmer took the blame, and at least we have someone that will shoulder the blame and not point fingers!
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Or just shrug his shoulders and say “It’s just 1 game, it don’t mean nothin…I thought I played pretty good.”
November 6th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Boss01 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Had Willie POS Smith not held on that play it would have changed the complexion of the entire game. With a big lead, Martin doesnt get that many carries in the 2nd half, the D would have pinned their ears back and unleashed on Freeman.
The game would have been shifted from Martin’s to Freeman’s hands. My guess is, he would have choked the game away in his hands.
For that, Willie POS Smith needs to get shot the hell out of a cannon into the gay side of the bay.
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Exactly ,we would have def won, Freeman wouldn’t have freaking willed his team to a come back, Martin is their best player ,he’s got like 500 combined yards in the last 2 games combined
November 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am
LOL, that was Russell’s problem…he never played bad!
November 6th, 2012 at 10:50 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:44 am
…..Palmer would have been the talk of the NfL this week ,but instead we get a full week of Mistic.
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Golden Rule: Don’t feed the troll.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:51 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:48 am
LOL, that was Russell’s problem…he never played bad!
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I was gonna say the same, but was reluctant to mention the dreaded #2….didn’t want to wear out my welcome too soon.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:52 am
I think we can have explosive offense , but I bet we don’t use more than 50% of the playbook due to our receivers lack of route running
November 6th, 2012 at 10:53 am
2romes Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Dmac during his first couple of season was known to get tripped up easily. Last year he was breaking more tackles and more elusive before he got hurt. With the zone blocking you are likely to get swiped from the sides often and must be strong enough to break arm tackles. I only seen that sparingly with Dmac. The Zome blocking scheme is not his game.
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Now that makes more sense. Is there simply just more space when running the power scheme?
November 6th, 2012 at 10:53 am
I wanna see more deep balls to DHB from here on out.
November 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
It’s just OTA’s…It’s only Training camp….It’s just Pre-season….It’s only 1 game, not the end of the world.
AAAAAAHHHHHH ! ! ! !
I can’t beleive this kinda BULLSH*T went on here.
And folks wanna rake Palmer across the coals and run him outta town. Seriously?
Get outta here….Naw just get the FU*K OUTTA HERE
November 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
factoid:
my cuz is studying forensics and he learned that at a crime scene you are much liklier statistically speaking to be killed if wearing raider apparel
November 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Our receivers never freaking catch in the middle of the field , then we are calling those outside routes all day long an of-course Palmer is going to be picked ,when you’re throwing side to side instead of Right in front of you
November 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am
“Doug Martin already has become more than Darren McFadden ever was.” – Mike Florio
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Thats a hard truth right there
November 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Plunketthead Says:
I will go one step further. KK never sounded the same since he returned from his banning. JMO
We have seen many names hijacked and the troll who does most the work has proved he can do it to anyone at anytime.
MR is always different and had been for sometime now.
The old MR threw out some bait each night and would troll on that alone sucking many in. He was somewhat smart and would stick to that little point and beat it to death always steering the convo back to where he wanted.=================
If a bunch of us ask the Corkster on the live chat to tighten up the log in names, maybe he’d get on Becker or whomever to fix that. You shouldn’t be able to log on with someone else’s exact screen name. Wouldn’t change anything else here in the outlaw west. And I’m not sure stopping the trolls from impersonating others wouldn’t take some of the fun out of the PM freeforall. Just keep the AM reasonably civil.
This current sully cant do that
November 6th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Inonewordraider Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:54 am
factoid:
my cuz is studying forensics and he learned that at a crime scene you are much liklier statistically speaking to be killed if wearing raider apparel
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N if you’re wearing red or blue (duh) I make sure I don’t have anything red or blue on me every time I step outta my house ,,don’t want to be shot just because sum dumb fukk thinks I’m in the gang if I am wearing those colors
November 6th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Raiders 27 – Ravens 20
November 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
boss01 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 5:37 am
The Giants were 7-7 last year then went on a roll and won the SB. The season is not over.
But the Giants have 3 things this team does not and that is an NFL defense, great coaching, a QB that is money in the clutch.
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The Giants have a ferocious pass rush with their front 4, that never takes a week off. It is consistent because they have superior front 4 rotation. Their secondary is hurt and weak and they still won the super bowl because of this consistent pass rush.
This is what we need to focus on building over the next few years. Draft the Jason Pierre Paul’s of the world. Freak athlete pass rushers who want to be great(by the way, we chose DHB over him in 2009).
Carson Palmer could be fine on a great team like that. Eli throws a million interceptions, but he’s given chance after chance to be great because he’s on a “TEAM” that can get him the ball back, and prevent his INTs from being 6 points, EVERY time he throws one.
I am sick of people calling Palmer a “stop gap”. He’s 32. Last I checked, QBs can play to late 30’s if they want to be great. Lets face it, he’s the best pure passer we’ve have in a decade or more. He’s a good leader, he’s smart, he wants to win, he’s accountable, he takes blame for his mistakes. Think of where we’ve come from at the QB position? Now we have one of the league leaders in passing and we want him run out of town??? Common people. I know we gave up a lot to get him, but that cant be reversed. He’s here, so lets support him.
The recievers are young and will continue to get better with him. Look, he’s not Peyton Manning, hes not a league MVP or hall of famer, but he’s also the sole reason we’ve been in some of these games. He’s a real quarterback. Thats the bottom line.
Lets focus on building this team. Let’s draft a defensive line, let get a competent middle linebacker. Lets continue to develop this stupid ZBS if we must (Think how long it took Houstont to develop it, they wanted to fire Kubiak the first few painful years).
I personally think he can be just fine in 2 or 3 years when this team is built better, if he wants to be, and if the regime can see thru the garbage and realize how far this team is and how he’s not the real problem.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
These days one can be shot for mistaken identity! Oops! And then see them crying…I didn’t mean to, I thought he was someone else!
November 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Anyone watched the Ravens lately? How they doin?
November 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
PALMER has actually been pretty good with protecting the ball this year , you can’t blame the late game ints on him , or some of the ones where our receivers ran the wrong route
November 6th, 2012 at 11:03 am
I’m a CP3 backer all the way. I even own a Palmer jersey. I’ll stick up for him because if he doesn’t show the leadership he did in the 4th qtr, we don’t even make this a game.
After that 3rd long TD run, I was in a daze looking at the TV and said quietly, “good night”. I didn’t believe CP3 could get us back in and he did. That 4th and one when he snuck forward for the first down, he calmly converted. Palmer was amazing for much of that 4th quarter.
But I am still very disappointed that he threw that careless pick with 242 left and on the 35 yl. Too much time and down and distance in your favor to force risky throws late over the middle. It was a horrible decision, and to his credit he manned up about it.
I guess you take the good with the bad, and there is a lot of good in Palmer’s game. But I’m not going to gloss over his faults either. Perhaps the Raiders needed a timeout there for Palmer to settle down and focus. We had almost too much time to get into FG range and we could have methodically run the ball down to the goal line (Tampa’s defense was spent) and scored the game winning TD. All using dink and dunks from Knapp’s playbook. We didn’t need to pick up huge chunks of yards in that situation.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:03 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:37 am
And wasn’t that a late flag? I remember everyone finished high fiving and then we were like “WHAT???”
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Def some questionable calls.
Saw Lamar get held hella times w/ no flags thrown.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
not sure why people are once again dragging jc into the fray but, i think we can compare based on total games as a raider qb, plamer has 18 jc had 19.
lets take a look
JC 19 games, 12 wins 23 tds 18 turnovers,
undefeated in division play 3 fourth quarter come from behind game wining drives, last took a snap in oakland in first place in the afc west (we haven’t sniffed first place since he went down). jc had 3 games with 2 ints but never 3 in one game.
palmer 18 games, 7 wins 26 tds 28 turnovers
3-4 in division play, and never higher than 2nd in the afc west. 3 4th quarter game winning drives. palmer has 5 games with at least 2 picks, ( 1 with 2, 3 games with 3, and 1 game with 4 interceptions) and 3 of them returned for tds.
so if you are being honest you must admit that jc not only played better than palmer over a similar stretch of time, but he also led wins which palmer isnt doing.
i think you guys should stop bringing up jc because it makes you sound foolish, or delusional. the numbers dont lie
November 6th, 2012 at 11:05 am
JLofty Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Anyone watched the Ravens lately? How they doin?
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They are okay ,def not the same team that was in the beginning of the season , not as tough on D and have problems scoring points
November 6th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Ravens will be tough and they are at home! Ngata still not 100% and Webb and Ray out! But still…
November 6th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
not sure why people are once again dragging jc into the fray but, i think we can compare based on total games as a raider qb, plamer has 18 jc had 19.
lets take a look
JC 19 games, 12 wins 23 tds 18 turnovers,
undefeated in division play 3 fourth quarter come from behind game wining drives, last took a snap in oakland in first place in the afc west (we haven’t sniffed first place since he went down). jc had 3 games with 2 ints but never 3 in one game.
palmer 18 games, 7 wins 26 tds 28 turnovers
3-4 in division play, and never higher than 2nd in the afc west. 3 4th quarter game winning drives. palmer has 5 games with at least 2 picks, ( 1 with 2, 3 games with 3, and 1 game with 4 interceptions) and 3 of them returned for tds.
so if you are being honest you must admit that jc not only played better than palmer over a similar stretch of time, but he also led wins which palmer isnt doing.
i think you guys should stop bringing up jc because it makes you sound foolish, or delusional. the numbers dont lie
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How the Mistic list?
Is it still growing?
JASON CAMPBELL HAD A RUNNING GAME TO LEAN ON…idiot.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Ravens not as good as their record, but still better than the Bucs and they are at home. This will be a good test. The Saints are on fire now offensively. This will be a tough 2 game stretch. I’d be content with a split of the next two opponents.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Look at the dumb fuk again , if JC was the reason we won games with that bad D ,he would have been starting for another team , it’s just plain and simple , it’s simple we had running game going and all JC had to do was manage and hand the ball of to McFadden
November 6th, 2012 at 11:09 am
The RAvens are beatable!!
Any given Sunday peoples!
We’ll win this 1.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:10 am
331.JLofty Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Anyone watched the Ravens lately? How they doin?
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My girl likes the Ravens so, I been watching them every Sunday as well……They’re struggling. They definately look beatable, and they’re ripe. The dodged alot of bullets this year. Damn near choked the game away to Cleveland last week. They clung to 14 points for the entire game…and Browns took the lead on 5 straight field goals. Pretty lousy. Ravens put together 1 final drive to win at the very end.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Your lying to your self if you think JC WOULD have scored 3 TDs in the 4th all by his arm
November 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
RockyMountainRaider Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 10:57 am
“Doug Martin already has become more than Darren McFadden ever was.” – Mike Florio
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Thats a hard truth right there
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Ouch.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:13 am
saying that JC is better than CP makes you sound foolish, Palmer would be the starter for most teams in the league… Campbell can’t get a starting gig anywhere or he would have. Campbells just not a winner.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:14 am
People bring up Ints but dumb fukks don’t realize ints happen in do or die situations , IF JC was the QB , he might not have thrown the int , but he would have def went 4 straight incompletions to turn the ball over on downs
November 6th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I didn’t have faith that we could beat TB, they’ve been playing lights out. the Ravens dont scare me, they are on a down hill slide.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Campbells just not a winner.
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Had a winning record here.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:16 am
I think Reece will see a lot more RB this week then jones… what do you guys think?
November 6th, 2012 at 11:17 am
don’t listen to mistic he’s racist..against blacks. he says geno smith, freeman and jc are “athletically gifted” but matt giordano could probably beat em in a foot race. Oh so because they’re black they must be athletic right? racist
November 6th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Our current GM would have signed JC, if he was the reason we won those games
November 6th, 2012 at 11:20 am
KoolKell, he didn’t in Wash.
2006 Campbell as starter 2-5
2007 Campbell as starter 5-7
2008 Campbell as starter 8-8
2009 Campbell as starter 4-12
November 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
JC was not a winner, we won because of our running game.. A winner does not get traded for 4th rd pick by some one who hates our Owner more than Pete gozell whatever his name was
November 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Didn’t say he did. I said he won here.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Hated **^**
November 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Im sure we’ll make rice and flacco look like mvps too.. we seem to put someone in the hof every week. Or the trainers room.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Purv
I am not trying to change things. I decided long ago after a caped crusader try that its better to ignore them and enjoy the freedom of press we have.
Only bad part is two or three trolls will ruin it for everyone else and they are trying hard.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:22 am
i think you guys should stop bringing up jc because it makes you sound foolish, or delusional. the numbers dont lie
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don’t know why mistic insists to play this game, but if you go by his logic, wins determines ability:
this season:
cp>rgIII
cp>cam
cp=michael vick=drew brees
November 6th, 2012 at 11:23 am
If JC was a winner ,Shanahan never gives him to Al D even if Al D is ready to trade 20 future # 1 picks picks for him ,no way Shanahan helps A D find his QB ,you JC supporters are clue less
November 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
No..not this again!
This is the way I see it…
Yes, Palmer thorws picks, just like Favre was always known to do! But…truth is, he is here and JC is no longer here. He got a bad rap, especially finding out while on a hospital bed, so i don’t blame him for leaving! But because he left and we have Palmer, that is who i am supporting! Frustrating? Yes! But come on now, over 25 years of frustration and it wasn’t just one player!!!
November 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Carson Palmer currently ranks 10th in yards and 11th in TD’s this year.
Last time we had a QB like that? Anyone?
November 6th, 2012 at 11:24 am
348.KoolKell Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Campbells just not a winner.
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Had a winning record here.
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Cambell was OK by me. Small sample size though. Still think Palmer is a better Quarterback. I think you coulda put “ALMOST” any QB in that “Half Season” measuring stick you’re referring to, and they would have done great as well, with DMAC running with Hell’s vengance.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:25 am
It’s not like Palmer has a career winning record.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
JC signed as a backup on the first freaking day of FA ,he don’t even think that highly of himself that these fools make him ought to be
November 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Being McCheese has proved on numerous occasions that he’s totally inept maybe we should consider a 5-2-4 alignment as our base defensive structure. The pass rush would improve and all gaps would be filled which should help in the run defense. that would leave our 2 competent LBers, Burris & Wheeler, more freedom to roam and get to the runner quicker. just a thought given our player limitations.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
I think he took that back up job so he wouldn’t have to be a back up here! It was strange, but it is what it is!
November 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
not sure why people are once again dragging jc into the fray but, i think we can compare based on total games as a raider qb, plamer has 18 jc had 19.
lets take a look
JC 19 games, 12 wins 23 tds 18 turnovers,
undefeated in division play 3 fourth quarter come from behind game wining drives, last took a snap in oakland in first place in the afc west (we haven’t sniffed first place since he went down). jc had 3 games with 2 ints but never 3 in one game.
palmer 18 games, 7 wins 26 tds 28 turnovers
3-4 in division play, and never higher than 2nd in the afc west. 3 4th quarter game winning drives. palmer has 5 games with at least 2 picks, ( 1 with 2, 3 games with 3, and 1 game with 4 interceptions) and 3 of them returned for tds.
so if you are being honest you must admit that jc not only played better than palmer over a similar stretch of time, but he also led wins which palmer isnt doing.
i think you guys should stop bringing up jc because it makes you sound foolish, or delusional. the numbers dont lie
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Do DMAC didn’t make a difference then either? Dude, you are in fact delusional. You are one of like one of those reporters that quotes only what makes sense in their version of the story to make it seem correct. But, you already know that don’t you?
November 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I voted for Hitler again…i like my leaders to not have to read the script off the jew teleprompter.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
I think he took that back up job so he wouldn’t have to be a back up here! It was strange, but it is what it is!
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Maybe he preferred to be on a winning team? Who knows.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Maybe Kell…maybe!
November 6th, 2012 at 11:30 am
5-3 is actually reasonable in my mind. Thats what I hope to see. End the year playing well with the DA holding the team together.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Or it could be that Cutler may run himself outta town one day and he will be starter again!
November 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
There are more reasons to why Palmer did not have winning record, Palmer can’t just run by himself or throw to himself or block for himself , he can’t play special teams and D ,that’s why he does not have a winning record ,you guys talk about Qb’s having winning losing records like they play tennis or some other 1 on 1 game, it doesn’t take away the truth that he’s better than JC and half of the. Qb’s in the league even if he didn’t have a better record ,Mike Brown wouldn’t have tried to teach Palmer a lesson by not trading him if he thought Palmer is useless , only high picks made him change his mind
November 6th, 2012 at 11:32 am
KoolKell Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
I think he took that back up job so he wouldn’t have to be a back up here! It was strange, but it is what it is!
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Maybe he preferred to be on a winning team? Who knows.
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You’re speaking in present terms. No way you could guarantee that in hindsight.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Fangsraiders Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I voted for Hitler again…i like my leaders to not have to read the script off the jew teleprompter.
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Nice going! Not only is Hitler ineligible to be President (as he wasn’t born here and neither of his parents was a US Citizen), but he’s been dead for almost 70 years. Typical KKK wannabe.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Carson Palmer currently ranks 10th in yards and 11th in TD’s this year.
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Nice stats I wonder how many drop our Wr’s have compared to the rest of the league.
We have dropped at least 5 Td passes
November 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Maybe he preferred to be on a winning team? Who knows.
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When your the backup QB who never plays, it doesn’t matter if your winning or losing.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
I bet Mistic spends as much time on blogs of other teams who are quarterbacked by black Qb’s , n I bet the fans of those teams just ROFLOL every time Mistic posts his wave of future comments
November 6th, 2012 at 11:36 am
369.KoolKell Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Hwnrdr Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:26 am
I think he took that back up job so he wouldn’t have to be a back up here! It was strange, but it is what it is!
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Maybe he preferred to be on a winning team? Who knows.
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I think ANY competitor would RATHER Start, than be on a team with a better record. Maybe he felt betrayed and jumped on the first plane outta Oakland. Cutler wanted out the second he even “sniffed” he was being shopped.
I was pleased with JC’s performance in his limited time here. I was thrilled when they got Palmer to take over in his absence. Not knocking Soup in any way, I just think Carson is the guy I choose if you stand them side by side, both 100% healthy.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:36 am
jason felt wronged here, like he got a bum deal for getting hurt. he wanted out of Oakland, plus isn’t he from Chicago or something?
The one good thing that I like about jason was that you didn’t feel like he was going to screw up when the ball was in his hands. (unless he had to slide, then I knew he was going to break something.)
November 6th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Fangsraiders Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I voted for Hitler again…i like my leaders to not have to read the script off the jew teleprompter.
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Well Raider Duck, I’m glad somebody had the integrity to call this one.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am
LOL, you guys brought jc up, i did not. Now you are foaming at the mouth because the raw numbers of wins and tds to turn overs over a nearly identical amount of time prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that Jc played at a much higher level than palmer has. Let me post it again. this hurts the palmer worshipers and they will twist and turn trying to worm their way out from under the weight of their own blind folly. ” he had a running game” lol same excuse as we heard last year ‘palmer didnt have dmac” well he had dmac for 8 games and only won 3 times. give it a rest fellas, this is documented history and you cant change it. LOL
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:04 am
not sure why people are once again dragging jc into the fray but, i think we can compare based on total games as a raider qb, plamer has 18 jc had 19.
lets take a look
JC 19 games, 12 wins 23 tds 18 turnovers,
undefeated in division play 3 fourth quarter come from behind game wining drives, last took a snap in oakland in first place in the afc west (we haven’t sniffed first place since he went down). jc had 3 games with 2 ints but never 3 in one game.
palmer 18 games, 7 wins 26 tds 28 turnovers
3-4 in division play, and never higher than 2nd in the afc west. 3 4th quarter game winning drives. palmer has 5 games with at least 2 picks, ( 1 with 2, 3 games with 3, and 1 game with 4 interceptions) and 3 of them returned for tds.
so if you are being honest you must admit that jc not only played better than palmer over a similar stretch of time, but he also led wins which palmer isnt doing.
i think you guys should stop bringing up jc because it makes you sound foolish, or delusional. the numbers dont lie
November 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Plunketthead Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Nice stats I wonder how many drop our Wr’s have compared to the rest of the league.
We have dropped at least 5 Td passes
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Wouldn’t surprise me if we led the league in dropped balls… that ish frustrates me!
November 6th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Maybe he preferred to be on a winning team? Who knows.
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When your the backup QB who never plays, it doesn’t matter if your winning or losing.
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That’s your opinion.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Maybe he preferred to be on a winning team? Who knows.
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When your the backup QB who never plays, it doesn’t matter if your winning or losing.
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True , it’s like nobody cares if a back up of Tom Brady goes around the town saying hey look at me I was the back up QB on the superbowl winning team lmao
November 6th, 2012 at 11:39 am
link for dropped balls.
http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232
November 6th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Fangsraiders Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I voted for Hitler again…i like my leaders to not have to read the script off the jew teleprompter.
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But, you won’t see many people here call this person a racist, though. Funny that.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Why are we still discussing J Campbell?
Dude is gone. Time to move on.
We bring this guy up as if we lost Eli Manning or something.
Why not bring up Cornell Green or some other ex-Raider to talk about?
November 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
“There are more reasons to why Palmer did not have winning record”.
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classic hater move. you want ignore what jc did and give credit for his wins to someone else.
Then in the same breath you want to elevate palmer and give the blame for his losses to someone else.
you trash the guy that won nearly double the games as your hero in the same amount of time. The guy that was much better at protecting the ball and had us in first place and on the way to the playoffs.
you have been exposed
November 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
True , it’s like nobody cares if a back up of Tom Brady goes around the town saying hey look at me I was the back up QB on the superbowl winning team lmao
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They do get Playoff money though.
LMAO LMAO, YUK YUK YUK.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:42 am
raiderjhawk Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:39 am
link for dropped balls.
http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/fb/leaders.asp?type=Receiving&range=NFL&rank=232
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Martin? 1?
Now I see why they don’t pass to him. All they do is let him run wild.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Hussein getting fired today.
Lets impeach him anyway for Benghazi…
November 6th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
“There are more reasons to why Palmer did not have winning record”.
……………………………
classic hater move. you want ignore what jc did and give credit for his wins to someone else.
Then in the same breath you want to elevate palmer and give the blame for his losses to someone else.
you trash the guy that won nearly double the games as your hero in the same amount of time. The guy that was much better at protecting the ball and had us in first place and on the way to the playoffs.
you have been exposed
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The Best Starting QB Caliber player to ever hold a clipboard. I bet there will be a tug-of-war for his services this offseason. Man, I can’t wait.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Yeah maybe Palmer throws int on some throws and JC instead goes 3 n out ,the ball is still turned over to other team , no freaking difference, yeah Palmer looked bad he threw 2 ints late in games , but JC would turn it over on downs , so what’s the difference , we all know the game would have been over going into the 4th Q down 18 with JC , with Palmer we made it look like a game , when our D was trying to 1 up last years D
November 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
What up Mista
November 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
MistaBrown Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Hussein getting fired today.
Lets impeach him anyway for Benghazi…
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You mean he’s being re-elected today.
There, I fixed it for you.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Curry active
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November 6th, 2012 at 11:49 am
387.KoolKell Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Fangsraiders Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I voted for Hitler again…i like my leaders to not have to read the script off the jew teleprompter.
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But, you won’t see many people here call this person a racist, though. Funny that.
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Fang’s gets hammered almost everytime he posts for the racism.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
“There are more reasons to why Palmer did not have winning record”.
……………………………
classic hater move. you want ignore what jc did and give credit for his wins to someone else.
Then in the same breath you want to elevate palmer and give the blame for his losses to someone else.
you trash the guy that won nearly double the games as your hero in the same amount of time. The guy that was much better at protecting the ball and had us in first place and on the way to the playoffs.
you have been exposed
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Exposed ? exposed for what ? It’s a team game , teams win games , I’m talking about the talent , Palmer has more talent than jC and its undeniable , Nobody would fukin confuse Dilfer for Dan Marino ,cuz he won the Champ in 00 , teams win championships Mistic , nobody would freakin take A Smith over C Palmer but he got more freaking wins than him all due to freaking team and A Gore running wild , it’s not hard to not throw ints when you are going to rely on your freakin running game and your D , ints happen when you are in passing situations , and Defensive end are pinning their ears back and coming for you , and all eyes are on the receivers , the other guys get paid too .. JC would have just went 3 n outs and his stats would have looked nice because he would have been never in position where he would have a chance to win , the other team would have won by a blowout if jC was our QB
November 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Yeah maybe Palmer throws int on some throws and JC instead goes 3 n out ,the ball is still turned over to other team , no freaking difference,
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huh????? no difference? what are you basing this on her it is in print
jc 12-7
palmer 7-11
i would say there is quite a differnce
palmer 26 tds 28 turn overs
jc 23 tds 18 turn overs
palmer 3 in the afc west
jc 1st place in the afc west
jc 6-0 in the division
palmer 3-4 in the division
stop it bra any way you slice the bread, palmer is toast in this comparison
November 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Election season brings out the worst in people. I’ll be glad when it’s over. don’t care anymore who wins. Tired of all the BS
November 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Guest123 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Election season brings out the worst in people. I’ll be glad when it’s over. don’t care anymore who wins. Tired of all the BS
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It’s never over. Remember: we’re only 3 years and 2 months away from Iowa…
November 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am
THINK I WILL SELL MY TV AND MY IPOD.ENTERTAINMENT VALUE ON THIS BLOG JUST ABOUT COVERS EVERYTHING..NOT SURE IF I SHOULD LAUGH OR CRY SOMETIMES THOUGH.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Hey look at that, good players drop balls somtimes. OCs still need to score tds.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:54 am
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/nfl-rapidreports/20841003/raiders-midseason-awards-qb-carson-palmer-on-record-pace–
CBS Sports names Greg Knapp the Raiders’ best assistant coach so far this year, based largely on our pretty-good passing game.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:55 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:41 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
“There are more reasons to why Palmer did not have winning record”.
……………………………
classic hater move. you want ignore what jc did and give credit for his wins to someone else.
Then in the same breath you want to elevate palmer and give the blame for his losses to someone else.
you trash the guy that won nearly double the games as your hero in the same amount of time. The guy that was much better at protecting the ball and had us in first place and on the way to the playoffs.
you have been exposed
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Exposed ? exposed for what ? It’s a team game , teams win games ,
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then you must give credit where credit is due. jc won more, and had a better td to turn over ratio. he has played the better football over the same stretch of games. how else do you measure it?
lol let me guess yardage totals and near comeback wins
like i said exposed
November 6th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Yo Stop freaking defending JC , he was not good , he was not the reason we freakin won yes he was better than all the scrubs we had before him but he’s in now way better than Palmer , even he would tell you that , stop bringing up his record , if it was due to him why we won he would have been starting some where , T Dilfer was let go following a SB winning year , nobody freaking signed him , cuz they are not dumb like you Mistic , people know it 53 guys game n he was def not responsible for their championship
November 6th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Guest123 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Election season brings out the worst in people. I’ll be glad when it’s over. don’t care anymore who wins. Tired of all the BS
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Don’t care who wins????? pretty sad.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: you trash the guy that won nearly double the games as your hero in the same amount of time. ===
You’re slipping, Mistic. That’s ‘golden haired hero’ to you.
November 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Punts are not as bad a turnovers.. but i would still take cp3 over jc.. jc missed the football field on over half his deep throws. Anything over 20 yds was like a catapult from drunken marauders..
November 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:52 am
THINK I WILL SELL MY TV AND MY IPOD.ENTERTAINMENT VALUE ON THIS BLOG JUST ABOUT COVERS EVERYTHING..NOT SURE IF I SHOULD LAUGH OR CRY SOMETIMES THOUGH.
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My wife always says…”What could possibly be so funny on a football blog?” Darling, you have no idea!
November 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Dilfer was not the reason Bal won in 00 , Rob Johnson wasn’t the reason Tb won in 00,
Anybody can be asked to control their freakin ints by handing off to Rb , you really believe Palmer wouldn’t have put up those winning #s with McFadden runnin wild? We would have had even better record
November 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am
I stopped trying to guess who was running each troll because it will drive me nuts and in the end I dont have any proof.
So I accept everyone at face value now and dont worry about it. I ignore most trolls and I feed one or two now and then.
But someone asked about MR and I got to wondering.
Well he is right there in front of our faces, as usual.
He didnt go anywhere
Right, Supavillian?
November 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am
cant stress enough how important it is for a qb to protect the ball first.
5 multi pick games out of 18 is unacceptable. In those five games 3 of them featured 3 ints. 1 of the games he logged a miserable 4 ints.
IN FACT PALMER HAS ONLY PLAYED 4/18 GAMES WITHOUT A PICK!!!!!!
that is bruce gradkowski, rick mirer, donald hollas kyle boller bad
November 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am
KoolKell Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Guest123 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Election season brings out the worst in people. I’ll be glad when it’s over. don’t care anymore who wins. Tired of all the BS
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Don’t care who wins????? pretty sad.
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No, and I’ll tell you why. I’ve seen politics up close and politicians up close and see how it all falls out. In the end, ideals are sold down the river for whatever the going rate is for an interested parties cause. They call it pragmatism, but it’s just people in high places with no backbones and no morals. Laws are for sale and the principles of our forefathers are laughed at as arcane.
take the blinders off. they all talk and talk and talk some more. It’s the same BS whether it’s colored blue or its colored red.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Tb in 02 ^^^^***
November 6th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Mistic
Enough of this Campbell talk….
What were your thoughts about Vince Evans when he played for the Silver and Black?
Was he your hero?
Was he garbage?
No comment?
Thoughts?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
POST-416,WELL SAID..
November 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
guest123 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:59 am
KoolKell Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Guest123 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Election season brings out the worst in people. I’ll be glad when it’s over. don’t care anymore who wins. Tired of all the BS
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Don’t care who wins????? pretty sad.
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No, and I’ll tell you why. I’ve seen politics up close and politicians up close and see how it all falls out. In the end, ideals are sold down the river for whatever the going rate is for an interested parties cause. They call it pragmatism, but it’s just people in high places with no backbones and no morals. Laws are for sale and the principles of our forefathers are laughed at as arcane.
take the blinders off. they all talk and talk and talk some more. It’s the same BS whether it’s colored blue or its colored red.
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Vote Green for the 2016!!!
November 6th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Can’t stress the importance of protecting the ball? That’s not the reason we lost , we went down 18 before Palmer threw his 1st int , yes jC would have had a shiny 2 TDs and 0 int game with the score TB 55 -Raiders 20
November 6th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Dirt Lot
How much you want for that Ipod man?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
I tell you what else I am not going to miss. Politicians throwing up prime time ads about abortion, gay marriage, tough laws against rapists. It’s objectionable to have to listen to that crap with your 8 yo daughter. It’s like the stupid viagra commercials on NFL games. Why do they have to embarrass the “grownups with kids” like that? This generation is gone to the sewer. It’s standards have dropped to the bottom level across the board. And I blame objectionable political TV ads as much as anything.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Well said guest that’s how I feel , I don’t even know how Bush was voted in twice , you could tell he doesn’t give a fuk by just looking at his face , but atleast Clinton and other guys seemed like they cared and wanna change
November 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
IPOD TOUCH 64GB..MAKE OFFER..LOL
November 6th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
IPOD TOUCH 64GB..MAKE OFFER..LOL
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lol
Give me a price and we’ll work from there
Cuz I can offer $40
LMAO
November 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Or some greenery?
lol
November 6th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
http://www.theredzone.org/BlogDescription/tabid/61/EntryId/30429/Raiders-DT-Bryant-hospitalized-with-fast-heartbeat/Default.aspx
Bryant didn’t play in the 2nd half.
The Bucs ran right at Kelly and Seymour, and scored 4 TDs real easily.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Guys like Romney, they lived their whole life on ambition to make money. It’s never enough money for them either. They aren’t ever satisfied. Now he’s all of sudden a good guy public servant interested in the common good and the middle class bloke living paycheck to paycheck? He buys and sells those common people and charges a markup in the process like they were dumb cattle. But his followers believe he’s really concerned for people. He openly labels a group of people “47 percenters” as if they were bit actors with 2 dimensions. He scoffs at their petty problems and is above it all. Nice. Freaking jerk.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Vote Green!
Join the team!
November 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Marks hair Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Punts are not as bad a turnovers.. but i would still take cp3 over jc.. jc missed the football field on over half his deep throws. Anything over 20 yds was like a catapult from drunken marauders..
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im afraid i cant let you say this, it is completely untrue. In fact Jc was better throwing deep than palmer is now. Dont believe? Lets stake a look
Palmer passes 20-30 yards 21% cmp 0 tds o ints
30-40 yards 11%cmp otds 1 int
Plamer does not have an attempt of 40 yards or more this season
Jc passes 20-30 yards 28 % 0tds 0int
30-40 yrads 16% 0tds 0int
40 yards plus 25% 1 td 2 int
As you can see her jc threw the ball further and completed a much higher percentage of passes going deep.
guys we really shouldnt keep doing this it only exposes you as haters, because the facts are documented
November 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
If Mistic was a ravens fan in 00 and T Dilfer was black , he would have been going around calling Dilfer HOF QB and the reason why they won the SB , he would have had hard time wrapping his head around why Ravena let that HOF QB go after he won the SB
November 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
stop it bra any way you slice the bread, palmer is toast in this comparison
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Lets look at the REAL facts here.
2012 starts:
Carson – 8
JC – 0
Palmer is getting paid to fight for victories. Campbell is getting paid to carry Cutlers jockstrap.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
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No, and I’ll tell you why. I’ve seen politics up close and politicians up close and see how it all falls out. In the end, ideals are sold down the river for whatever the going rate is for an interested parties cause. They call it pragmatism, but it’s just people in high places with no backbones and no morals. Laws are for sale and the principles of our forefathers are laughed at as arcane.
take the blinders off. they all talk and talk and talk some more. It’s the same BS whether it’s colored blue or its colored red.
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can’t get elected without lots of money, then you owe lots of favors, me or you would have to do the same if we were to be elected. we should do what england does, yes another country can have a good idea, and only allow campaigning for say 6 months then we might actually elect the best candiadte not the one who has the most to spend and he won’t owe as many favors. or create a cap on political donation from an individual or corporation to say 1 mill max dare i say less? that would change everything, so let’s quit complaining and do something
November 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Imagine how much money could be collected to pay down the Nat’l debt if all the money spent on politcal campaigns were funneled to the US treasury?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Dilfer was not the reason Bal won in 00 , Rob Johnson wasn’t the reason Tb won in 00,
Anybody can be asked to control their freakin ints by handing off to Rb , you really believe Palmer wouldn’t have put up those winning #s with McFadden runnin wild? We would have had even better record
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your argument is flimsy, it is predicated on ifs, buts and make beleive scenarios. my argument used DOCUMENTED FACTS.
besides bush last year played better than dmac is this year and palmer still had us out of the playoffs. it appers to me no matter who is the back field palmer cant win consistently corey dillon, rudy johnson, cedric benson, dmac m bush
November 6th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
im afraid i cant let you say this, it is completely untrue. In fact Jc was better throwing deep than palmer is now. Dont believe? Lets stake a look
Palmer passes 20-30 yards 21% cmp 0 tds o ints
30-40 yards 11%cmp otds 1 int
Plamer does not have an attempt of 40 yards or more this season
Jc passes 20-30 yards 28 % 0tds 0int
30-40 yrads 16% 0tds 0int
40 yards plus 25% 1 td 2 int
As you can see her jc threw the ball further and completed a much higher percentage of passes going deep.
guys we really shouldnt keep doing this it only exposes you as haters, because the facts are documented
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you still doing this?
then palmer is a much better winner this year than rgIII or cam, much better at protecting the ball which is vital than mike vick, cam, or russell wilson, better qb rating than those guys as well. and owe yeah he starts while jc joe webb troy smith and jamarcus sit
November 6th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Vote Green!
Join the team!
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Marks hair Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Punts are not as bad a turnovers.. but i would still take cp3 over jc.. jc missed the football field on over half his deep throws. Anything over 20 yds was like a catapult from drunken marauders..
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im afraid i cant let you say this, it is completely untrue. In fact Jc was better throwing deep than palmer is now. Dont believe? Lets stake a look
Palmer passes 20-30 yards 21% cmp 0 tds o ints
30-40 yards 11%cmp otds 1 int
Plamer does not have an attempt of 40 yards or more this season
Jc passes 20-30 yards 28 % 0tds 0int
30-40 yrads 16% 0tds 0int
40 yards plus 25% 1 td 2 int
As you can see her jc threw the ball further and completed a much higher percentage of passes going deep.
guys we really shouldnt keep doing this it only exposes you as haters, because the facts are documented
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Yeah I guess the running game was not a big factor in that right ? Right lemme guess D’s don’t bite play action when the running game is going ,right ? Anything else you want to tell us
November 6th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
So Mistic, you are a better talent evaluator than the guys employed by the 32 NFL clubs? You know more about QB play than these guys? No one offered JC a starting gig after the ‘magic’ he performed here.
Did you just post a stat that says Palmer has ZERO TD passes of longer than 20 yards as a Raider?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
bcz24 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
stop it bra any way you slice the bread, palmer is toast in this comparison
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Lets look at the REAL facts here.
2012 starts:
Carson – 8
JC – 0
Palmer is getting paid to fight for victories. Campbell is getting paid to carry Cutlers jockstrap.
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not relevant to the thread. they brought him up and tried to trash him i proved that he played better as a raider than palmer has.
truth hurts
November 6th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Vote Green!
Join the team!
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Marks hair Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Punts are not as bad a turnovers.. but i would still take cp3 over jc.. jc missed the football field on over half his deep throws. Anything over 20 yds was like a catapult from drunken marauders..
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im afraid i cant let you say this, it is completely untrue. In fact Jc was better throwing deep than palmer is now. Dont believe? Lets stake a look
Palmer passes 20-30 yards 21% cmp 0 tds o ints
30-40 yards 11%cmp otds 1 int
Plamer does not have an attempt of 40 yards or more this season
Jc passes 20-30 yards 28 % 0tds 0int
30-40 yrads 16% 0tds 0int
40 yards plus 25% 1 td 2 int
As you can see her jc threw the ball further and completed a much higher percentage of passes going deep.
guys we really shouldnt keep doing this it only exposes you as haters, because the facts are documented
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Yeah I guess the running game was not a big factor in that right ? Right lemme guess D’s don’t bite play action when the running game is going ,right ? Anything else you want to tell us
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! THAT IS YOUR EXCUSE?!?!?!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
that was weak even for you
November 6th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Wow…just friggen wow! LOL…
Come on, are we really hat bored today???
November 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
lol im out fellas, you cats should stop trashing the guy that won and protected the ball while enjoying first place in the afc west.
Palmer hasnt met the standard the numbers dont lie
November 6th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Im not a jc hater i just never seen a qb hit ob with so many deep balls. it brought me back to the j shroder yrs. Id take cp3 first is all.. but his ints are mostly just dumb passes. Both guys make my stomach hurt at times.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
not relevant to the thread. they brought him up and tried to trash him i proved that he played better as a raider than palmer has.
truth hurts
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Not really. You know why? It doesn’t hurt us at all because we all WANT Palmer as our QB. The only Campbell supporter is you. Truth hurts that your boy cant get a job huh…
Truth hurts that despite your stats, your boy is still a clipboard holder.
Truth hurts that despite your stats, Palmer is still starting here.
The truth will hurt next year when Palmer CONTINUES to start as a Raider.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
not relevant to the thread. they brought him up and tried to trash him i proved that he played better as a raider than palmer has.
truth hurts
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cp throws another game deciding pic this year and f him, might be leinert time. what hurts to me is raiders lose and what hurts to you is the amount of wins netted by your beloved
RGIII
Cam Newton
and
the complete disaster that is
Michael Vick
November 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Yah Mistic run like a B when your losing all your arguements
November 6th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
“….and palmer still had us out of the playoffs.”
Man do you believe your own lies.
Career wise, Palmer has over double the TD’s, double the YDS, A higher overall QB rating, and only 30 or so more INT’s. That’s in only a 2 season advantage over JC. So, in your case, numbers do lie don’t they?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
lol im out fellas, you cats should stop trashing the guy that won and protected the ball while enjoying first place in the afc west.
Palmer hasnt met the standard the numbers dont lie
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Get off the clipboard holders nuts, or go root for Da Bears. You can cry how Cutler throws INTs and the soup can never gets his chance!
November 6th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
RGIII
Cam Newton
Michael Vick
“new wave” of below .500 qb’s?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
DMAC whats up man…
Thought for sure you was a brutha, haha
November 6th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
You guys should see my sweet logo/avatar in the chat.
te gusta…
November 6th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Yah Mistic run like a B when your losing all your arguements
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He doesn’t actually go anywhere. He can’t help but stick around and he knows it.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Maybe, just maybe……
Mistic had an affair w/ Campbell. Thats why he’s got his back.
Who fking knows. Its none of my business anyways. I do apologize if I’ve insulted you.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
MistaBrown Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
DMAC whats up man…
Thought for sure you was a brutha, haha
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Same thoughts about you. I swear.
lol
2 fk’n funny.
I try to put facing w/ all bloggers from time to time.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
weren’t alotta ppl clowing how reece is good for 25 yds a game? where are those folks?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
faces
November 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
anybody is a better talent evaluator than reggie
November 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
inonewordraider Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
weren’t alotta ppl clowing how reece is good for 25 yds a game? where are those folks?
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Like I said a few days ago. Reece is a threat in the red zone.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I’m gone!
Peace peoples!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears (fire Tedford)
Go Raiders!
November 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
anybody is a better talent evaluator than reggie
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Is that including Al?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
hands down…
November 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Some people ask the stupidest questions in Corky’s live chat.
lol
I’m glad most of those dudes don’t come to the blog.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
hands down…
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What team did he evaluate for then?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
DMAC Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Some people ask the stupidest questions in Corky’s live chat.
lol
I’m glad most of those dudes don’t come to the blog.
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Now I’m glad I didn’t ask one. lol
November 6th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Yo, let the Beeech Diggity know if KrappyRAt posts anything in the live chat or it the ban is in full effect
Just got situated in the bar at the OG, full on making out with this stacked waitress
Guess she smelled the CERTIFIED PLATINUM sprayed all over my nads, weiner and pube patch
I’m all like, “Hey babe, I gots to save little room for the bread sticks, dang”
TAKIN IT 2 THE STREETZ
November 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Just stopped by to give a shout out to my favorite poster, Mistic1 Tha Supavillain!
November 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
bcz24 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
lol im out fellas, you cats should stop trashing the guy that won and protected the ball while enjoying first place in the afc west.
Palmer hasnt met the standard the numbers dont lie
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Get off the clipboard holders nuts, or go root for Da Bears. You can cry how Cutler throws INTs and the soup can never gets his chance!
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lmao
i was responding to being called out. people here throw out jc’s name just to try and stir me and a few others.
the natural response is what i gave. posting stats and win loss record to prove that your golden haired hero has a long way to go in order to live up to what his predecessor accomplished.
November 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Golden Haired Hero Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Just stopped by to give a shout out to my favorite poster, Mistic1 Tha Supavillain!
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hahahaha!
November 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Lol, dont open the door if your not prepared to deal with whats on the other side.
you trashed jc and falsy elevated palmer
i have exposed once and fo all the myth that palmer represents an upgrade of any kind, in fact the numbers show that as raider qbs palmer is a sever down grade from jc.
HAHAHAH you cats should let sleeping dogs lay, or you risk being bitten
November 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
…the natural response is what i gave. posting stats and win loss record to prove that your golden haired hero has a long way to go in order to live up to what his predecessor accomplished.
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And I repeat…
Career wise, Palmer has over double the TD’s, double the YDS, A higher overall QB rating, and only 30 or so more INT’s. That’s in only a 2 season advantage over JC. So, in your case, numbers do lie don’t they?
November 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
MR is gloating. He lives for this stuff.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Q. Can anyone who knows for certain why Terrelle Pryor has not been activated for a single game???? Dying to know the facts
a. Coach Allen doesn’t feel there’s much to gain by using Pryor in some sort of Wildcat package. Also, Allen likely doesn’t want to be part of the Tebow-like circus he witnessed in Denver last season.
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eaxatcly like i told you fools. pryor does not suit up because we are losing and d.a need to get an extended look at shop worn turn over pron palmer. to activate pryor would lead to fans chanting his name waiting to see him in the game. that is what happens for bad teams fans call for the exciting young rookie.
D.A having seen this first hand in denver wants to avoid the head ahce, unfortunately that hurts pryor.
However win we have staggered to 9-10 losses it will be impossible to hide behind that excuse for not plying pryor. pryor will get his turn this season as long as we are on pace to lose and finish out of the playoffs
November 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Raider4Life209 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
…the natural response is what i gave. posting stats and win loss record to prove that your golden haired hero has a long way to go in order to live up to what his predecessor accomplished.
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And I repeat…
Career wise, Palmer has over double the TD’s, double the YDS, A higher overall QB rating, and only 30 or so more INT’s. That’s in only a 2 season advantage over JC. So, in your case, numbers do lie don’t they?
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lol washington and cicny were not the question my point was who is the best raider qb. im a raider fan arent you?
November 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mistic, do you think you are smarter than Steve? He says Raiders are better with Palmer than they would have been with JC.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Raider4Life209 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
…the natural response is what i gave. posting stats and win loss record to prove that your golden haired hero has a long way to go in order to live up to what his predecessor accomplished.
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And I repeat…
Career wise, Palmer has over double the TD’s, double the YDS, A higher overall QB rating, and only 30 or so more INT’s. That’s in only a 2 season advantage over JC. So, in your case, numbers do lie don’t they?
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lol washington and cicny were not the question my point was who is the best raider qb. im a raider fan arent you?
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Better ball protector, better deep ball passer…Just not in WAS. Saw that one coming a mile away. Twisting and turning huh?
November 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
how bad is christian ponder/ lol in 2 of the last 3 games he passed for 63 yards or less?!?!?!/
joe webb gets the nod if this continues
November 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
From the chat:
Do u think the Raiders should employ more of a “zone read” defense with single high safety in obvious passing situations? I’ve been breaking down alot of tape that seems to suggest that.
by Beeech Dawg 2:09 PM
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LMAO!
November 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
lol washington and cicny were not the question my point was who is the best raider qb. im a raider fan arent you?
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Well quite simply by that logic, Palmer is no better than JC, who was no better than Jamarcus, who was no better than Brookes, who was no better than Collins… NONE of these guys led the Raiders to the playoffs. They ALL SUCK!
November 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I thought they already decided on Webb?
November 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
476.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mistic, do you think you are smarter than Steve? He says Raiders are better with Palmer than they would have been with JC.
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He clearly thinks he is smarter than EVERYONE in the NFL.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mistic, do you think you are smarter than Steve? He says Raiders are better with Palmer than they would have been with JC.
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actually he ddint he clecely left jc out of it all together,(probably because he read what i posted with stats and wins)
he asked if the raiders would be better with lienert or pryor?
Im thinking pryor could do about as well as palmer is at this point i mean 13 tds against 12 turnovers and 3 wins isnt out of the question for a rookie qb
November 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
bcz24 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
lol washington and cicny were not the question my point was who is the best raider qb. im a raider fan arent you?
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Well quite simply by that logic, Palmer is no better than JC, who was no better than Jamarcus, who was no better than Brookes, who was no better than Collins… NONE of these guys led the Raiders to the playoffs. They ALL SUCK!
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There is no logic with him.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
bcz24 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
lol washington and cicny were not the question my point was who is the best raider qb. im a raider fan arent you?
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Well quite simply by that logic, Palmer is no better than JC, who was no better than Jamarcus, who was no better than Brookes, who was no better than Collins… NONE of these guys led the Raiders to the playoffs. They ALL SUCK!
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well not so fast we were in 1st place and heading to the playoff.
besides numbers and win totals say that jc has out performed palmer as a raider
sorry this chaps you so badly, but its historical fact
November 6th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
….(probably because he read what i posted with stats and wins)
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Hahaha! Classic!
November 6th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I’m all for seeing Pryor in there if we lose 3 more games.
I have nothing against him, except that the consensus seems to be he is NOT NFL ready.
What he can do with his legs is exciting..no doubt.
I agree. At some point we have to see what we’ve got with this kid.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
All I care about is winning. Period.
If Pryor could magically do that for us…i’m in.
I don’t see it, but we need to see what we’ve got at some point.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I saw all I need to see out of Pryor… sure there were 4 exciting plays, but there were a whole bunch of and I quote Pryor himself ‘dog crap plays’… Pryor is NEVER going to be our QB.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mistic, do you think you are smarter than Steve? He says Raiders are better with Palmer than they would have been with JC.
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actually he ddint he clecely left jc out of it all together,(probably because he read what i posted with stats and wins)
he asked if the raiders would be better with lienert or pryor?
Im thinking pryor could do about as well as palmer is at this point i mean 13 tds against 12 turnovers and 3 wins isnt out of the question for a rookie qb
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From chat:
Would this team be any better if they kept Jason Campbell and never traded for Palmer?
by Albert 2:57 PM
Steve:
No, not a chance.by scorkran 2:57 PM
November 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
for the record i dont think im “smarter” than anyone else so to speak. i am just willing to acknowledge reality. The numbers game film and win totals favor one guy over the next and i dont have a problem saying so.
Only people with their agenda bent bias filled fanaticism will deny what is so plainly obvious and backed up by actual historical fact.
But hey to each thier own, why let little things like facts color your take?
November 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
482.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mistic, do you think you are smarter than Steve? He says Raiders are better with Palmer than they would have been with JC.
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actually he ddint he clecely left jc out of it all together,(probably because he read what i posted with stats and wins)
he asked if the raiders would be better with lienert or pryor?
Im thinking pryor could do about as well as palmer is at this point i mean 13 tds against 12 turnovers and 3 wins isnt out of the question for a rookie qb
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That stat is wrong.
Palmer does not have 13 to’s. He’s only fumbled 3 times this yr.
Never mind the fact that he was blindsided due to a porous o-line, but all the same.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
OAKLAND RAIDERS @RAIDERS
The Oakland Raiders have added linebacker Aaron Curry to the team’s active roster. The Raiders waived linebacker Vic So’oto.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mistic, do you think you are smarter than Steve? He says Raiders are better with Palmer than they would have been with JC.
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actually he ddint he clecely left jc out of it all together,(probably because he read what i posted with stats and wins)
he asked if the raiders would be better with lienert or pryor?
Im thinking pryor could do about as well as palmer is at this point i mean 13 tds against 12 turnovers and 3 wins isnt out of the question for a rookie qb
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From chat:
Would this team be any better if they kept Jason Campbell and never traded for Palmer?
by Albert 2:57 PM
Steve:
No, not a chance.by scorkran 2:57 PM
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lol i missed that one
next week i will post the numbers and wins on the chat and ask cork to justify his take.
he is a known palmer worshiper / jc hater
November 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
..Only people with their agenda bent bias filled fanaticism will deny what is so plainly obvious.
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Like wave of the future QB’s perhaps?
November 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
490,
If you are so into reality, where do you get that Pryor is gonna do any better than what we’ve got?
Look at the FACTS of what he did in college. Not against Troy and Austin Peay but Wisconsin, Michigan and the big boys.
What makes u think he’ll magically start dominating the NFL?
November 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
JC had nothing to do with those Raiders wins, was he better than Russel and other Qb’s before him and could do certain things better than them , ofcourse , but is he better than Palmer ? Only 1 guy would agree with that ,and even Cincy fans would say that you lost it Mistic and the person who really hates Palmer, Cincy owner would laugh at your claim that JC is better than Palmer, yeah stats are there and we can’t change them ,but the common sense is We won because our running game was stud and our passing game was sum what respectable with JC taking over for J Russell , but nothing more than that Mistic , we had great running game and average passing, nothing more than that and all the Gms attest with me , Nobody took any chance with JC, all he was asked to do was manage the game , A smith is asked to do the same thing , T Dilfer was asked to do the same thing so was R Johnson , very easy to manage games , easy to have a high percentage completion in passés over 30 yards when D’s bite on the play action and leaves receivers open, not so easy when there is no running game and the receivers are covered, easy to not throw ints when your not asked to carry the team by your arm, all your asked to do is hand it off to the RUnning game which was the best at the time before McFadden got injured …gawd Mistic a dog has better common sense than you do
November 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
482.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mistic, do you think you are smarter than Steve? He says Raiders are better with Palmer than they would have been with JC.
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actually he ddint he clecely left jc out of it all together,(probably because he read what i posted with stats and wins)
he asked if the raiders would be better with lienert or pryor?
Im thinking pryor could do about as well as palmer is at this point i mean 13 tds against 12 turnovers and 3 wins isnt out of the question for a rookie qb
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That stat is wrong.
Palmer does not have 13 to’s. He’s only fumbled 3 times this yr.
Never mind the fact that he was blindsided due to a porous o-line, but all the same.
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8 ints 4 fumbles = 12 turnovers, which is what i posted
November 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Yo, the Beeeech Diggity loves breaking down game tape – in my PJs
Whut up?
Brahs, I gots to be real with all of you. After dousing my weiner, nads and pube patch with my new essence – CERTIFIED PLATINUM by BEEEECH DAWG – I can’t keep the hizzies off
I might need to invent an opposing repellent fragrance called CERTIFIED DIMWIT by ALBERT PUSS that would make the hos scatter after I shoot my goo
Still kicking it live in the Olive Garden bar, on my 4th glass of Chianti. So stoked I cast my vote, shout out to Mount Rushmore and Washinton DC, holding down them federal laws
BIG UPS TO BIZ MARKIE ON THE REALZ
November 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
JC had nothing to do with those Raiders wins, was he better than Russel and other Qb’s before him and could do certain things better than them , ofcourse , but is he better than Palmer ? Only 1 guy would agree with that ,and even Cincy fans would say that you lost it Mistic and the person who really hates Palmer, Cincy owner would laugh at your claim that JC is better than Palmer, yeah stats are there and we can’t change them ,but the common sense is We won because our running game was stud and our passing game was sum what respectable with JC taking over for J Russell , but nothing more than that Mistic , we had great running game and average passing, nothing more than that and all the Gms attest with me , Nobody took any chance with JC, all he was asked to do was manage the game , A smith is asked to do the same thing , T Dilfer was asked to do the same thing so was R Johnson , very easy to manage games , easy to have a high percentage completion in passés over 30 yards when D’s bite on the play action and leaves receivers open, not so easy when there is no running game and the receivers are covered, easy to not throw ints when your not asked to carry the team by your arm, all your asked to do is hand it off to the RUnning game which was the best at the time before McFadden got injured …gawd Mistic a dog has better common sense than you do
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Checkmate.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Holy fuxking sh1t!!! Would u just shut the fuk up already mistic?!! Half the fuxking posts are u droning on and on about Palmer and Campbell and now Webb. Listen u idiot. Nobody agrees with u. No one here. No one in the nfl. Ur officially the worst here. Worse than beeech. Worse than Sullivan. Just dhit the fuk up u idiot!!!
November 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says: Mistic, do you think you are smarter than Steve? He says Raiders are better with Palmer than they would have been with JC.
++++++++++++++++++++Mistic is way smarter than Steve and my coaches. I’m lucky he doesn’t work here. I wouldn’t be getting the big bucks, but we would be playoff bound with TP at the helm.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
JC had nothing to do with those Raiders wins,
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even though he touched the ball on every play?
let me get this straight
so then your saying palmer had nothing to do with is measly 7 wins either?
November 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Hey Krazy Kell looks like your boy Peyton Manning voted Romney!!!
November 6th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
JC had nothing to do with those Raiders wins,
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even though he touched the ball on every play?
let me get this straight
so then your saying palmer had nothing to do with is measly 7 wins either?
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Our center touches the ball on every play too? No?
In your reality, JC throws, catches, runs, blocks, returns, and defends. No one else on the team contributes or takes away.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
494.Raider4Life209 Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
..Only people with their agenda bent bias filled fanaticism will deny what is so plainly obvious.
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Like wave of the future QB’s perhaps?
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“Agenda” is talking about the merits of Joe Webb over Christian Ponder on a Raiders blog.
THAT agenda is what is so plainly obvious. We all know what THAT agenda is.
By your own words you condemn yourself.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Leave our golden haired hero alone. He’s better than any of ur black qb’s. why? Cuz he’s white. Happy? Now go plan a revolution.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Mistic says:
8 ints 4 fumbles = 12 turnovers, which is what i posted
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Eli Manning has 9 INTs and 3 fumbles = 12 turnovers
Drew Brees has 8 INTS and 5 fumbles = 13 turnovers
As far as turnovers are concerned, Palmer is = to Manning and better than Brees.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
If you beat mistic in this argument it won’t send Carson Palmer to the Pro Bowl or the Raiders in the playoffs you know? Why bother going on and on…?
November 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Holy fuxking sh1t!!! Would u just shut the fuk up already mistic?!! Half the fuxking posts are u droning on and on about Palmer and Campbell and now Webb. Listen u idiot. Nobody agrees with u. No one here. No one in the nfl. Ur officially the worst here. Worse than beeech. Worse than Sullivan. Just dhit the fuk up u idiot!!!
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lol meltdown city
tell your buddies not bring it up and then i wont comment on it. this is thier fault im just relaying the facts as have been documented in time.
besides im not surprised that im out numbered, the black man is always out numbered in amerikkka and sports is no different
November 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Just stopped at home for lunch and the people on CNN had long faces, and the people on MSNBC were screaming about racism.
Must not like the exit poll data thus far????
November 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Curry activated. Vic So’oto waived.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
493.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Mistic, do you think you are smarter than Steve? He says Raiders are better with Palmer than they would have been with JC.
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actually he ddint he clecely left jc out of it all together,(probably because he read what i posted with stats and wins)
he asked if the raiders would be better with lienert or pryor?
Im thinking pryor could do about as well as palmer is at this point i mean 13 tds against 12 turnovers and 3 wins isnt out of the question for a rookie qb
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From chat:
Would this team be any better if they kept Jason Campbell and never traded for Palmer?
by Albert 2:57 PM
Steve:
No, not a chance.by scorkran 2:57 PM
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lol i missed that one
next week i will post the numbers and wins on the chat and ask cork to justify his take.
he is a known palmer worshiper / jc hater
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So some anonymous blogger with an obsession for seeing black qb’s elevated to starting roles NO MATTER WHAT THEIR TALENT LEVEL is going to set straight a credentialed, professional sports writer on the “reality” of sports.
Hahahaha LMFAO.
What a joke.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: besides im not surprised that im out numbered, the black man is always out numbered in amerikkka and sports is no different.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++ You’re black? I had no idea.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Mistic– did u just seriously say black men are always outnumbered in this country? Seriously? On Election Day. When we have a black president? U are officially the biggest moron on the block. Hahaha!
November 6th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
You don’t like it here Mistic?
Then leave Amerikkka.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
You don’t like it here Mistic?
Then leave Amerikkka
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Seriously dud. did you just drop the KKK in this piece? you are a racist pig
November 6th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
The black dudes I know would be bored as sh1t with mistic. He’s just so fuming boring.
November 6th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Raiders need to draft Alabama running back Eddie Lacy in the 2/ or 3rd round. Hard powerful/ shifty type runner. Like a bigger trent ricahrdson/ doug martin type
November 6th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Raiders need to draft Alabama running back Eddie Lacy in the 2/ or 3rd round. Hard powerful/ shifty type runner. Like a bigger trent ricahrdson/ doug martin type
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I like Zach Stacy from Vandy, like his style of play. may be there for us later in the rounds.
November 6th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
From the chat:
Do u think the Raiders should employ more of a “zone read” defense with single high safety in obvious passing situations? I’ve been breaking down alot of tape that seems to suggest that.
by Beeech Dawg 2:09 PM
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LMAO!
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The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Yo, the Beeeech Diggity loves breaking down game tape – in my PJs
Whut up?
Brahs, I gots to be real with all of you. After dousing my weiner, nads and pube patch with my new essence – CERTIFIED PLATINUM by BEEEECH DAWG – I can’t keep the hizzies off
I might need to invent an opposing repellent fragrance called CERTIFIED DIMWIT by ALBERT PUSS that would make the hos scatter after I shoot my goo
Still kicking it live in the Olive Garden bar, on my 4th glass of Chianti. So stoked I cast my vote, shout out to Mount Rushmore and Washinton DC, holding down them federal laws
BIG UPS TO BIZ MARKIE ON THE REALZ
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this just confirms what i already knew. beeech is a “personality” of another poster here who actually talks football. he just thinks it’s “entertaining” to occasionally slip into what he thinks is a character that irritates people. he just forgot to change his handle before he posted to the chat. cuz we all know that beeech would never post anything about football on purpose.
i knew this already cuz he has slipped up a few times and posted a “beeech” response in his language, as another poster, specifically plunkethead and dan78.
also, remember that beeech always accuses others of doing this, and talks about how it’s done. just another case of him accusing others of doing what he does, like he thinks i’m seymour bush and that klas was someone else, i forget who.
November 6th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Paging Dr_hamster, paging Dr_hamster your appointment is ready
November 6th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
518.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 6th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Raiders need to draft Alabama running back Eddie Lacy in the 2/ or 3rd round. Hard powerful/ shifty type runner. Like a bigger trent ricahrdson/ doug martin type
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Don’t see them drafting a RB that high next year but, if they did, I’d put all my money on Kenjon Barner from Oregon. That dude Thrives in the Zone system, plus he’s tough and got endurance for days. Still running hard and putting TD’s on the board late in the 4th against USC Saturday….