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Palmer and Suggs go way back

By Steve Corkran
Thursday, November 8th, 2012 at 3:40 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Try though he may, Baltimore Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs just can’t escape Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer, when you think it might be Palmer the one trying to get away from Suggs.
They played against each other their entire college careers, Palmer and USC and Suggs at Arizona State. Palmer went No. 1 overall in the 2003 NFL draft to the Cincinnati Bengals. The Ravens selected Suggs with the 10th pick.
Palmer faced Suggs and the Ravens 13 times from 2004-10 — Palmer didn’t play his rookie season — with Palmer beating the Ravens nine times.
“This guy has kind of tortured me through all my college and professional career,” Suggs said in a conference call with Bay Area media Wednesday. “I’m very aware of the talent. I know he can make every throw. If you ask me, he’s very highly underrated. He’s definitely one of the premier quarterbacks in the league.”
Suggs said he doesn’t fear any quarterback, yet “I’m always worried when I play Carson Palmer.”
With good reason, too. Palmer won those nine games against Suggs and the Ravens while having only three passes intercepted. The Ravens intercepted Palmer eight times in the four games they beat Palmer.
Ravens coach John Harbaugh also is quite impressed with the Palmer that he coached against the past five seasons.
“First of all, he’s real smart,” Harbaugh said. “He’s done a great job of reading coverages and knowing where to go with the ball; that’s No. 1. Number two, he’s got this incredible arm. He can make every throw. He’s kind of a fearless competitor. Stands in there tough and he puts it in there, and that’s pretty much the criteria for a great quarterback.”
Suggs is one of the guys Palmer always takes into account whenever he plays the Ravens. That Suggs is playing this season comes as somewhat of a surprise, given he ruptured his Achilles during the offseason.
“It’s amazing he is playing,” Palmer said. “I remember when it happened, I remember thinking, ‘Alright, great, that sucks for Terrell, but he’ll be out by the time we get out in Baltimore.’ Sure enough, he was playing 2 or 3 weeks ago against Houston.
“That’s the type of guy he is. He’s an extremely hard worker. He’s going to come back early, and just when you doubt him, he proves people wrong. I played against him for 15 years now, a phenomenal football player, phenomenal against the pass and phenomenal against the pass–there aren’t a lot of guys who are good at both, like he is. I don’t know if there is another one, as good as he is, at playing them both.”

– The Raiders last played the Ravens in 2008, when JaMarcus Russell was the quarterback, Justin Fargas the primary running back, Javon Walker a starting receiver and so on.
Much has changed in the past three seasons. Yet, one thing remains constant, in Suggs’ opinion.
“Talent,” Suggs said. “Al (Davis) has always done a tremendous job of bringing in the biggest and the scariest guys. They always had tremendous talent, but what (they) have done over there is just stack the talent a little bit more. (They) definitely got weapons that Carson can work with.”
Of the 53 players on Oakland’s roster that day, Oct. 26, 2008, only eight remain on today’s roster, including two that started that game: guard Cooper Carlisle and defensive tackle Tommy Kelly.
The six other players still wearing a Raiders uniform now are: punter Shane Lechler, kicker Sebastian Janikowski, long-snapper Jon Condo, running back Darren McFadden, free safety Michael Huff and strong safety Tyvon Branch.

– The Ravens last lost a regular-season home game late in the 2010 season. Their streak has reached an NFL-best 14 straight regular-season home victories, including a 4-0 mark this season.
To that end, Harbaugh said, the Ravens take the field with an air about them, knowing that good things happen when they play in front of their own fans.
“There is probably a confidence level with that, because we’ve had some positive experiences,” Harbaugh said. “There’s been a lot of big games and tough games in that, that just kind of set that tone a little bit. But every game stands on its own two feet.”
That last sentence is what the Raiders are counting upon, that the previous 14 wins by the Ravens at their place don’t count for much when the Raiders play there Sunday.

– Allen reiterated that he isn’t prepared to make a determination on the status of injured players McFadden, running back Mike Goodson and defensive tackle Richard Seymour until after practice Friday.
None of those three practiced today. Allen said McFadden and Goodson are wearing protective boots as a result of their high-ankle sprains.
Coincidentally, rookie Jeremy Stewart said he is preparing this week as if he is going to be signed from the practice squad and activated for Sunday’s game.
“Yeah, they said it’s a possibility,” Stewart said. “They basically told me to be ready, and we’ll see what happens.”
Stewart said he has taken a similar approach since he signed with the Raiders.
“You have to approach every day like you’re going to be the guy starting. So, since I’ve gotten here I’ve been preparing for my opportunity. So, if it presents itself this weekend, I’ll be ready.”
He rushed for 257 yards on only 55 carries his final season at Stanford. He also scored 10 touchdowns on 62 touches that season.
“I feel like I’m a good finisher,” Stewart said. “I can find the end zone.”
Taiwan Jones and Marcel Reece are splitting the reps in practice this week. Like Palmer, offensive coordinator Greg Knapp said he is eager to see what Jones can do in a game.
“Pure speed, it’s one of the fastest I’ve been around,” Knapp said of Jones, “because he has that ability to burst and separate right away. That trait is not coachable, so he does have that ability to separate real fast which is a unique quality to have.”
Knapp said injuries suffered by Jones this season cost him some valuable practice time, which set him back in terms of getting down his assignments on each play. Ball-security issues also are a concern.

– Right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes said he feels pretty good in his return from a groin injury. Yet, he doesn’t sound overly optimistic about playing Sunday.
“Obviously I’ve got some kinks to get out, but you’ll get those out the more you’re on the field,” Barnes said. “Each day that goes by, the more familiar I get with stuff, the muscle memory starts coming back, and that’s how I’m approaching it.”
Barnes said he feels as if he needs more time to get back up to speed. That’s understandable considering he didn’t practice for more than seven weeks after suffering a groin injury that required surgery.
Allen said Barnes, Willie Smith and Tony Bergstrom are taking reps at right offensive tackle in practice this week. It’s possible that Allen will announce the starter for the Ravens game as soon as Friday.

– Michael Huff is going to remain at cornerback for the Ravens game, Allen said.
Ron Bartell is expected to be activated Saturday and play Sunday for the first time since he suffered a shoulder injury in the regular-season opener.
Allen said the plan is to play Bartell as much as Bartell can handle. With Bartell and Huff at cornerback, that likely means less playing time for Pat Lee and Phillip Adams.

– Allen said Seymour was in no shape to practice Thursday, that Seymour “couldn’t practice today if he had to.”
That means Desmond Bryant, Lamaar Houston and Christo Bilukidi might be in for more playing time inside if Seymour isn’t healthy enough to play Sunday. Dave Tollefson is another player that can move inside for a few downs here and there, if needed.

– The Raiders burned one of their 14 allotted practices in pads Wednesday, Allen said. They did so as a means of working on tackling on the heels of a lackluster performance against the Buccaneers.

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  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    Rory

  • Priesttj12

    Shut the fugg up punk. I have never posters anything close to the racist trash on the blog. People accuse me of it becuase they don’t like black people. It is clear why the mention of jc & tp 6 or any other black qb is so hated on this blog. The blog is mainly white men. White duoremacy is not a ” bit” it’s a reality that means life & death for my people. Me exposing this doesn’t make me a racist.

    Have the balls to stand up to your own. Read this blog dummy, they have called us baboons nigg@€rs & other disgusting names.

    Please I’ll stop pointing it out when cave man Neanderthals stop doing it.
    Until then they can expect my machete
    **************************************************
    Mistic1, I’m very very proud of you keep rattling their cages. These people need to made to feel uncomfortable with the tolerance of the bigotry that hoes on here. They think abusive offensive speach is fien as long as it jives with their sentiments. When they protest it just shows that they agree with the disgusting crap that goes on in here.

    You have not uttered one racist derogatory word. Yet you are widely viewed as the most racist individual in here because you like the new wave style of QB. Go figure…..the infusion of different looking QB’s upsetting the masses. Well tough you don’t like it don’t watch……………period

  • Priesttj12

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 8th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
    Streater should keep on getting better and establish the go to guy connection with Palmer , he’s the only one I think can become a legit #1 out if the group , if he keeps on working , got a lot of potential but if keeps on working ,hard work will eventually pay off
    **********************************

    Hard work always pays off, hopefully Streater has that ethic because if he does the Raiders will benefit greatly.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    Googled
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    Well, did you ever wake up,
    With that one woman on your mind,
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    Your gonna wake up laughin’,
    Laughin’ just to keep from crying.

    My mommy got em,
    My daddygot em,
    My brother got em,
    My sister got em.

    I woke up this morning,
    My grandma and grandpa had them too,
    Well, don’t you know about that,
    I got the bullfrog blues.
    Bullfrog

    Well, did you ever wake up,
    With them bullfrogs on your mind?
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    With them bullfrogs on your mind?
    Your gonna wake up laughin’,
    Laughin’ just to keep from crying.

    Nothing in your shoes sesame street

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    But a political conversation among “gentlemen” is verboten.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    It’s all media tricknology as the prophet elijah muhammad said. preach it, priest. and by the way, are you blorg, or, Have You Ever Woke Up With Them Bullfrogs On Your Mind?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    I know KoolKell’s woken up them bullfrogs on his mind.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Tricknology, Elijah Muhammad……………?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    The Tricknology of the Enemy: Elijah Muhammad.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    Where’d you think the pseudoword came from kk?

  • Kiwi_Blade

    Would be great to have picked up an undrafted free agent who later becomes a legit #1.
    Not many in the blorg would be doubting Reggie as a talent evaluator after that.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Are you NOI?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    I might agree with you, priest, on post 452, but I really can;t understand any of it.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    Of course I’m NOI

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    So why are you assuming I am, racist?

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    What, I’m supposed to have Elijah Muhammad quotes memorized?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    I’m still liking 4 bullfrogs at right tackle if Khaliff or Bergs can’t go.

  • Kiwi_Blade

    Rolando at Right tackle.
    Worth a try.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    KoolKell Says: So why are you assuming I am, racist?==

    Kell, too much rum, me,too much beer and what the fluck is NOI?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    Kiwi_Blade Says: Rolando at Right tackle.
    Worth a try.

    Not enough weight. Maybe with Taiwan Jones on his back.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    As they’re getting beat to the QB, Taiwan dismounts for a screen pass, TD!

  • Kiwi_Blade

    Not enough weight. Maybe with Taiwan Jones on his back.

    Too risky, if he gets pancaked by a safety we end up with 3 injured running backs

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    fangsraiders Says: 93% OF BABOONS VOTE FOR THE MONGREL…72% OF BEANERS VOTED FOR THE MONGREL…BUT “THEY” ARE NOT RACIST=====================================

    I’ve gotta wonder what that adds up to in fangs ‘mind’.

  • Kiwi_Blade

    As they’re getting beat to the QB, Taiwan dismounts for a screen pass, TD

    This is the ‘new wave of RT’

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    What;s the dif between 3 injured and 2 injured with one we’re afraid to use?

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    Jones can run it, kind of worried about him blocking in pass protection.

  • Kiwi_Blade

    Need to give Jonesy a proper try out to see what he’s got. If Curry had been 100% from the start Burris may never have got his chance.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    Next man up from Curry to Burris is something less than McFadden to Taiwan Jones. Or more than. You know what I mean.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    And McFadden is not the greatest blocker, but not as bad as some say. Bush sucked even though he could do it. Didn’t wan’t to. that sucked.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    My favorite line from Huebris was; if you don’t have the ball, you better be looking for someone to block.

  • Kiwi_Blade

    I could see that if McFadden had been rushing for 150 yds per game. As it stands this year a mediocre game from Jones would not make much of a difference.
    An above average game from Jones would have me dancing on my couch.

  • dr_robert

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 8th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
    Raiderlen mac20,

    Don’t tell me racism & white supremacy isn’t alive & kicking on this site. Your kin is spewing it all over the blog & you are upset with me for pointing it out.

    Because secretly you feel the same way as this inbred cave man does.

    You refuse to chastise the members of your own so you are either complicit or cowards.

    This is why nothing in media including this blog can be trusted. Hell for all I know the mods or cork or jerry Mac are the ones doing it.

    Impostor fans , raider blog, posters:……EXPOSED

    ***************************

    this dude is paranoid. hilariously sad.

    my kin? ur one of those fuking morons that thinks all white people are lumped together cuz their skin color is similar. ur basically like every racist in the world moron.

    i don’t have anything to do with 99% of white people. don’t know ‘em. should i say ur like every black person? blame u for all the black crime? ur one individual. a stupid one. but still. u should be judged on ur own merits.

    ur closed-mindedness is keeping u unhappy.

  • papertiger418

    I see that Mistic’s provocations are having the desired effect. Shame we can’t ban him; I’d like to talk football on this blog.

  • RaiderRockstar

    “Al Davis has always done a tremendous job of bringing in the biggest and the scariest guys. They always had tremendous talent”

    ***

    I agree with T Suggs!

  • RaiderRockstar

    The Ravens last lost a regular-season home game late in the 2010 season. Their streak has reached an NFL-best 14 straight regular-season home victories, including a 4-0 mark this season.

    ***

    good thing we’re bringing the Raven killer (Carson Palmer) on Sunday to this dog fight!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Seymour is out. Desmond Bryant was in the hospital less than a week ago. Bucs rookie RB just rushed for like 250 yards & 4 TD’s against us last week ….

    anybody else think the Ravens will try to establish the run with Ray Rice early this game?

  • RaiderRockstar

    rookie rb Jeremy Stewart could come out of nowhere and be a beast in the zone blocking system.

    It is know for making average RB’s look great and great RB’s look average!!

    activate him BigMac!!

    I sure as heck ain’t sold on TJones. the knock on him prior to draft day was that he was injury prone and had a touch of fumblitis. 1.5 years later we’re still talking about the same things

    Reece might be good for 10 carries or so, but he should be saved for short yardage imo

  • RaiderRockstar

    Ron Bartell is expected to be activated Saturday and play Sunday for the first time since he suffered a shoulder injury in the regular-season opener.

    ***

    who do we chop to make room for Stewart & Bartell?

    Lucas Nix & Brandian Ross??

  • Just Fire Baby

    ur one individual. a stupid one. but still.

    *****************************

    LOL

  • Just Fire Baby

    Without any competant RB’s, expect a lot of short passes, screens, maybe more reverses plays and shaninagans that we haven’t been doing much of.

    It’s going to be the kitchen sink game, offensively.

  • BlackSunday

    Gonna see almost no Tawian, he will get Carson killed . Hopefully Reece and Moore give Carson a lot of help and D stops the run.

    GO RAIDERS!!!

  • edward teach

    BlackSunday Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 5:46 am
    Gonna see almost no Tawian, he will get Carson killed . Hopefully Reece and Moore give Carson a lot of help and D stops the run.

    ********************************************************

    Yeah, Jones and Reece trying to pick up blitzes isn’t going to be pretty. And against the Ravens, no less.

    We may set a Raider record for screens and draw plays in one game. And if I know we’re going that route, so do the Ravens.

    Not exactly an inspiring effort against Doug Martin last week, and Ray Rice is just a more experienced version. Flacco has a great TE and Torry Smith is really coming into his own.

    I’m cautiously optimistic most weeks, but not this time around. I’d love to be surprised but I think we get waxed on Sunday.

  • Raidergil650

    t.jones gots to have a good game. THE RAVEN KILLER (CARSON COOLEST CAT) EVEN BETTER GAME! 24_27 RAIDERSSSSSSSS

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    PM Crew,

    You Monkeys are CRAZY!!

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    PM MONKEY PATROL

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S. NEED A SHOWER AFTER READING SOME OF YESTERDAYS DRIBBLE..

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    This blog gets insane sometimes. But at least it is entertaining. It’s better than debating the merits of Knapp and the ZBS over and over.

  • MikieG

    Guys, Get off the Blog and get back to work for this woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0yv-nFheug&feature=share

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    Anyone else think Seymour is being a pu$$y?
    He thinks we have no shot at winning and doesn’t want to be part of Ray Rice running wild on our defense. Nice job captain.

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    MikieG Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:46 am
    Guys, Get off the Blog and get back to work for this woman: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0yv-nFheug&feature=share
    ———————
    that is truly disturbing