McFadden, Goodson and Seymour no-gos
By Steve Corkran
Friday, November 9th, 2012 at 12:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.
As expected, running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson, as well as defensive tackle Richard Seymour, won’t play Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said as much after his team wrapped up its third and final practice Friday and just before the team boarded buses for the short trip to the Oakland International Airport for the flight to Baltimore.
“You don’t ever know exactly how someone is going to respond to an injury,” Allen said in explaining why he waited until now to make the decision. “Obviously, none of them make enough progress this week that they were able to be up. We’ll probably be going through the same thing next week and we’ll see where we’re at.”
Allen said the Raiders will turn over the running game to second-year back Taiwan Jones and fullback Marcel Reece. It also helps that the Ravens are 29th against the run at an average of 139.5 yards per game.
Which player starts will depend upon how the Raiders open up on offense. Allen said Reece also will play some fullback.
This will be Jones’ first true chance to show what he can do in a regular-season game. Until now, he has been the No. 3 back for his first 1 1/2 NFL seasons.
Jones rushed 16 times for 73 yards last season. He carried the ball for the first time this season last Sunday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and netted 2 yards on his lone carry.
Reece isn’t a true running back, but he is fast enough and big enough to hold his own if called upon.
The Raiders still have the option of signing rookie running Jeremy Stewart from the practice squad between now and Sunday’s game. He will accompany the Raiders on the trip to Baltimore, Allen said.
McFadden, Goodson and Seymour sat out all three practices this week. Coaches typically are hesitant about playing players that don’t practice all week.
– Cornerback Shawntae Spencer also has been ruled out for Sunday’s game, which comes as no surprise, given he hasn’t practiced since he suffered a right foot injury almost two months ago.
Ron Bartell likely will be activated Saturday, Allen said, and start Sunday. He will play right cornerback as often as he can handle in his return from a shoulder injury suffered in the opener.
Michael Huff will play opposite Bartell, with Matt Giordano remaining at Huff’s regular free safety spot.
– Desmond Bryant will start in place of Seymour on Sunday, Allen said.
“He’s had absolutely no issues, at least any issues that I’m aware of or that our trainers are aware of,” Allen said in response to the fast, irregular heartbeat that hospitalized Bryant last Sunday.
– Willie Smith is going to remain the starting right offensive tackle for now, Allen said.
“He has continued to work, he has continued to try to improve,” Allen said. “Again, we feel like that he’s the guy that gives us the best chance to be successful. So, he’s going to continue staying in that role right now.”
Khalif Barnes just hasn’t had enough time to get into football shape yet, Allen said, after missing the past seven weeks with a groin injury.
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November 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Raiders!!
November 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
From the archives:
MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2008 at 3:15 pm
i am the only one that uses multiple user names around here
November 9th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
no praising of the golden haired hero? Racists!
November 9th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
MaddenRaider Says:
January 2nd, 2008 at 3:33 pm
BTW, there is gonna be a LOT MORE user names on this blog. That I can guarantee.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
And Oakfoshow the Internet Tough Guy is back again, complete with his footie pajamas and mortal fear of getting his butt kicked by Elmo from Sesame Street.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
5 on it!
November 9th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
RockyMountainRaider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I think the praise for Soup comes from him being undefeated in the division which everybody can admit we were all feeling good when we actually knew the Raiders dominated the west. But we had alot more goin on back then then we do now i.e. quality backup RB and shutdown CB. What i do miss though is us whooping the broncos, i just hope CP3 dont go the opposite of Soup and fall 0-3 to them as a Raider.
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That’s understandable altho slightly misdirected. Credit should go to Cable for the turnaround. Some here give it to Campbell and Jackson. Jackson has been bucked down in Cincinatti, Campbell is not near the field, and Tom Cable is the Assistant HC of a winning team.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Damn, the board was pretty cool back in the day. I use to read plenty of posts on here for years until I finally decided to register. I like some of the handles back then.
Rich Gannons love chid? LOL
November 9th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Madden raider,
I am sure there were posts prior to that but the were all lost. I know that I posted well before that story.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Those were the days….
November 9th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Later peoples!
It was a pleasure chatting w/ you animals, KKK’s, Black Panthers, Green Party members, and Raider Nation bros.
Yall have a solid 3 day weekend!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs! (Faker beatdown 2nite)
Go Cal Bears ( fire Tedford)
Go Raiders!
November 9th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
yo
November 9th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
I guess losing breeds cancerous blogsters, equivalent to the locker room player kind.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RockyMountainRaider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I think the praise for Soup comes from him being undefeated in the division which everybody can admit we were all feeling good when we actually knew the Raiders dominated the west. But we had alot more goin on back then then we do now i.e. quality backup RB and shutdown CB. What i do miss though is us whooping the broncos, i just hope CP3 dont go the opposite of Soup and fall 0-3 to them as a Raider.
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That’s understandable altho slightly misdirected. Credit should go to Cable for the turnaround. Some here give it to Campbell and Jackson. Jackson has been bucked down in Cincinatti, Campbell is not near the field, and Tom Cable is the Assistant HC of a winning team.
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And after all he went though i never thought Cable would find success.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
As far as Palmer goes I like him a lot, I wish he were more mobile. He’s just way to stationary he doesn’t extend plays when the opportunity presents itself. He at times tries things he shouldn’t and it’s cost us games.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: not funny,that was a very sad day and this is in very poor taste===============
Not only was it funny, it was even funnier when Franklin said it in ‘The Replacements’.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Do they allow humor on the mothership?
November 9th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Willie smith doesn’t give us the best chance to win , he gives us the best chance of leaving the most points off the board, he gives us the best chance of turning a TD into a FG and having Palmer rush throws that will turn into Int’s
November 9th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
It’s funny reading the old posts. Everyone was a lot more civilized.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Priest and Kell were fighting back then.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
That’s understandable altho slightly misdirected. Credit should go to Cable for the turnaround. Some here give it to Campbell and Jackson. Jackson has been bucked down in Cincinatti, Campbell is not near the field, and Tom Cable is the Assistant HC of a winning team.
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All this means is that he has good friends IMO. To say TC is a better or more qualified HC than Hue is way off IMO. TC at best is a Oline coach I think Hue is one of the top OC’s in this league based on what I saw him do here.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 5th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Guys, I hate to keep beating a dead horse, and I take no pleasure in bashing Mr Davis. But like I’ve said before, I’ve been a diehard 43 years, and I think it’s necessary. Just so you know.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Can’t wait to see Taiwan get a shot.
My MUP is going to leave vapor trails behind on his way to the endzone.
The Nation will be cursing Tits and Krapp for not utuilizing this weapon sooner.
Next in line: ACTIVATE TP. Get the young man on the field even if it’s just a wildcat play or two. Give opposing defenses something else to prepare for.
RAIDERMAN99 finds Tits and Krapp guilty of not fully utilizing all the weapons at their disposal.
Penalty if this doesn’t change: DISMISSAL.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
And after all he went though i never thought Cable would find success.
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Not at all. What people don’t realize about Cable is he has been incredibly successful where ever he has gone. He went to a University of Colorado program that ended up being like 8th in the nation on offense, then UCLA hired him and he took their program to 6th in the nation on offense. That’s what knuckleheads here did not realize they I tried to explain: Tom Cable knows offense.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
As far as Palmer goes I like him a lot, I wish he were more mobile. He’s just way to stationary he doesn’t extend plays when the opportunity presents itself. He at times tries things he shouldn’t and it’s cost us games.
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Me too. Of course if here were more mobile, he might be the most complete QB in the league. That said, he’s been more elusive than I thought he would be. Not saying much because I expected Brady like statue standing, so the bar was very low.
The thing for me is that we haven’t yet seen Palmer play with even a semblance of a running threat. He’s been put in a pass only situation a majority of each game and doing it with a pretty mediocre pass blocking OL. When a QB has the chance to keep the defense guessing, their effectiveness goes way up as it takes away the need to force things.
So yeah, he’s not making 100% great plays, but then who is or who ever has in league history? Given the duress he is under he’s been amazingly consistent making what looks to me like the right read and throw at least 80% of the time.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
The hiring of hue as oc plus an easy schedule helped cable get to 8-8. Without hue cable would not have sniffed .500. Cable was a horrible hc.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Mistic–actually I do get to tell what white supremacy means.
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No quack you are not able to prescribe what i should view as white supremacy, what qualifies you to answer for me?
besides you have already said that “black crime” is scarier than crime in general and this is an acceptable reason for killing
gtfoh
November 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Acey40Deuce Says:
January 11th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
RDogg -
Looks like you scared off Kool Kell. Once again nice work. He’ll be back when he knows you aren’t around any more and I’m sure he’ll have plenty to say. If I am here and you are not I will direct all comers to post #10!
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KoolKell Says:
January 11th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
AceyDeucy,
You seem to be obsessed with me, what’s the matter, did I show up naked at your bar mitzvah?
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Was AceyDeucy an early incarnation of Beeech Dawg?
November 9th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
That’s understandable altho slightly misdirected. Credit should go to Cable for the turnaround. Some here give it to Campbell and Jackson. Jackson has been bucked down in Cincinatti, Campbell is not near the field, and Tom Cable is the Assistant HC of a winning team.
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All this means is that he has good friends IMO. To say TC is a better or more qualified HC than Hue is way off IMO. TC at best is a Oline coach I think Hue is one of the top OC’s in this league based on what I saw him do here.
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See my post #24. While, yes, it is good to have friends in the league, that is the ONLY reason Jackson is in the league. And he got demoted. Cable was hired immediately after being let go here, and given the Assistant Head Coach position from Pete Carrol. Since Carrol is mainly a defensive minded coach, you can bet that they are running Cables offense up in Seattle much the way they did it here. Which is why we were successful.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Not at all. What people don’t realize about Cable is he has been incredibly successful where ever he has gone. He went to a University of Colorado program that ended up being like 8th in the nation on offense, then UCLA hired him and he took their program to 6th in the nation on offense. That’s what knuckleheads here did not realize they I tried to explain: Tom Cable knows offense.
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I partially agree depending on how you define success. Cable is an amazing OL coach and a pretty good OC. He’s not a very good HC. It’s one of the cases where you can’t always project specialized success as being the same in higher capacities.
His best skill set seems to be hands-on and focused on the blocking as the foundation of a good offensive system. You can really see the difference in Seattle for instance. They had the ZBS there before he got there, but he added a certain degree of nastiness to it that wasn’t there before. That, as much as anything is why Lynch has seen this second wind in his career.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Cable played favorites as witnessed by the whole Justin Fargas thing, and bringing Gallery’s sorry ass with him to Seattle.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Here we go. Beeech vs. Kell, the origin:
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
People love me.
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Beach,
It’s sad, that this country continues to produce people like you.
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Beach Boy, You’re weak!
Beach Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
KoolKell,..people love you?…you consider these faceless typists in here people?…..hardly,..just a bunch of “shut-ins” who since the invention of the internet no longer are people,..they dont leave the house unless they have to for work,…they get everything they need in life from the internet,..shopping, entertainment,…sex,…people?…lol,..not even close.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Zymurge Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
griffin has a far bigger arm he is far more mobile and can read a defense jsut as well as luck or peyton manning or tom brady, hence the 3 interceptions.
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OK, I got issues with the above statement. Manning may be the most cerebral, defense reading and adjusting QB of all time in the NFL. To say that any rookie QB can even approach that is hilarious. Aside from RGIII, there are 30 other starting QBs that also can’t match Manning in this area. One that is close is Brady, probably top 3-5 in this area. Luck has shown that he can become a top 5 in this area as well, as his head is probably his best asset. No matter how good an athlete, you don’t get into Stanford without a lot of smarts.
RGIII might someday be really good at reading defenses. He’s slightly better than the average rookie QB so far,
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i agree luck is fantastic but rgIII is truly way ahead in terms of reading defenses and decision making.
Dont you agree that interception toatls revael how good a player is or isnt in this regard? after all the majority of interceptions are cuased by poor reads or poor decisions.
rgIII 3- ints
tom brady 3 ints
rodgers 5 int
peyton manning 6-int
carson palmer 8- int
drew brees 8 int
eli manning 9 int
andrew luck 9 int
so it is clear that rgIII is at the head of the class in this regard and clealry on par with any qb in the league and this is what makes him special, his mental ability and capacity set him apart. Pl use the other worldly physical tools.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Dakota Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
The hiring of hue as oc plus an easy schedule helped cable get to 8-8. Without hue cable would not have sniffed .500. Cable was a horrible hc.
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Or…..Cable took over a terrible situation, instituted his systems, and turned the team around. He went 5-11 and then turned the play calling over to Jackson, not the offense. The team went 8-8. Cable was let go, and more than a couple of players expressed anguish over it. The next year the team came out of the gate well because they had momentum, and then it all fell apart. Jackson was let go, and none of the players stood up for him.
Cable has an Assistant HC gig, Jackson got demoted. Those are the facts.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Acey40Deuce Says:
January 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
that hit gave new meaning to the term Rastaman Vibration!
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This must have been Beeech too.
November 9th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I don’t think that is beeech, I think beeech is formerly Richochet.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Jamarcus before he got fat:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28053729@N00/388479275/
November 9th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I don’t think that is beeech, I think beeech is formerly Richochet.
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He may have been all three.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
As far as Palmer goes I like him a lot, I wish he were more mobile. He’s just way to stationary he doesn’t extend plays when the opportunity presents itself. He at times tries things he shouldn’t and it’s cost us games.
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the turn overs and the turn overs that cause the losses are my biggest problem with palmer. along with the fact that he quit on a contract and tried to have a coach fired and teammates traded. that showed a lack of class, professionalism, leadership, and back bone.
i was willing to wait and see, if he could change his stripes but he has not to this point as the turn overs and losses continue to mount
November 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Mistic,
Luck has 100 more attempts as well. The probability goes up when you consider it as a whole.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Gudda!!! I love my chick Gudda!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
What was Tom cables record as a hc again? 20 and 60 or something like that?
The guy is not hc material. Get over it. He will never get a hc gig in the NFL again. Idaho wouldn’t even touch the guy again.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I don’t think that is beeech, I think beeech is formerly Richochet.
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Agreed. That beach was witty and interesting. The new one is a dick sukking repetitive dullard.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
What do you think of Taiwan getting his chance Mistic?
Do you not have opinions on RB’s?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Mistic,
Luck has 100 more attempts as well. The probability goes up when you consider it as a whole.
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That does not fit the agenda, please do not speak of it again.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Dakota Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
What was Tom cables record as a hc again? 20 and 60 or something like that?
The guy is not hc material. Get over it. He will never get a hc gig in the NFL again.
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HE’S ASSISTANT HEAD COACH OF THE SEATTLE SEA HAWKS RIGHT NOW!! Clearly espousing the political program advancement of the 1830’s has clouded your judgement. The election just went down, and you took a beating like we haven’t seen in decades, you might want to take some time off from thinking.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Go Lakers way to fire a bìtch
November 9th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I don’t think that is beeech, I think beeech is formerly Richochet.
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I’m not sure I’m buying that, pedochet was far to prone to throwing tirades, and melt downs, getting banned over and over.
Beechy seems to keep an even keel and stays on point regardless of the direction of the conversation.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Cable played favorites as witnessed by the whole Justin Fargas thing, and bringing Gallery’s sorry ass with him to Seattle.
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Every coach has favorites that is not new. Gallery was floundering til Cable came here. The reason Fargas played was he fumbled the rock 3 or 4 times in almost 400 carries for Cable. McFadden had fumbled it 8 times in a little over 100 carries. That’s why McFadden wasn’t playing.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I’ve been listening to sports radio all day this Texas A&M QB is getting a lot of run on the airways, they say he runs a legit 4.3, and they play ALA tomorrow anybody REALLY know about this kid.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
So now it’s the new Int arguement , what’s next Mistic will call Jason >>> Favre
November 9th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Thats how you fire a turd out the back door lakeshow.. take note mark. We have a piece of krapp that needs to get the sqeeze too.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
i agree luck is fantastic but rgIII is truly way ahead in terms of reading defenses and decision making.
Dont you agree that interception toatls revael how good a player is or isnt in this regard? after all the majority of interceptions are cuased by poor reads or poor decisions.
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It’s a partial picture. Alex Smith doesn’t throw a lot of interceptions and has a ton of wins. Would you want him over either CP3 or RGIII? I definitely wouldn’t! Put him in CP3’s situation where he has a marginal defense, no running game, and has to throw 60 times a game and he’s probably put up 5 picks a game.
Being careful with the ball is not purely a manifestation of good reads. JC was very careful with the ball and as a result, Shane Lechler had record seasons given the number of 3 and outs he lead the offense on.
One reason that running QBs can throw less picks is because they have easier progressions to read. It goes: check primary, check secondary, run. A non-running QB has to make more reads in the same amount of time. While that means the running QB can be effective, it doesn’t mean he is better at reading by simply saying he throws less picks. His options are much better around safe throw or run.
It also has a lot to do with game situation. Favre threw more picks than anyone in history. He also lead an amazing number of come from behind victories. You can’t do the latter in safe mode. You have to have a gun slinger mentality and willingness to take risks for big gains.
Lastly, at least three of Palmer’s picks that I saw this season were thrown in the direction of Moore when Moore was running a route that wasn’t where the ball was thrown. CP3 and Moore’s body language (as best as I could tell on TV) said that they weren’t reading the same options. Given that Palmer doesn’t seem to have that same issue with other WRs nearly as much, I’m inclined to believe that on at least some of those Moore went the wrong way and it cost Palmer the pick. On a timing throw to a spot where the WR isn’t reading right, it’s pretty hard to project that into the QB not being careful enough.
Disclaimer: I love D Moore and think he’s the most dynamic offensive guy on the roster. But I think he made his name for athleticism first, reading skills second, so I think it’ll take him longer to come along here. Guys like Ford, DHB, Hagen and even the rookies seem further along in these areas but aren’t nearly as dangerous in run after the catch.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Zymurge Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
As far as Palmer goes I like him a lot, I wish he were more mobile. He’s just way to stationary he doesn’t extend plays when the opportunity presents itself. He at times tries things he shouldn’t and it’s cost us games.
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Me too. Of course if here were more mobile, he might be the most complete QB in the league. That said, he’s been more elusive than I thought he would be. Not saying much because I expected Brady like statue standing, so the bar was very low.
The thing for me is that we haven’t yet seen Palmer play with even a semblance of a running threat. He’s been put in a pass only situation a majority of each game and doing it with a pretty mediocre pass blocking OL. When a QB has the chance to keep the defense guessing, their effectiveness goes way up as it takes away the need to force things.
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micheal bush was very good for us last season and palmer didnt win much then either
November 9th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Don’t know what kind of HC Hue Jax would ultimately have become.
Think Hue was a bit of a con man and perhaps too interested in self-promotion and power hungry.
But I LOVED Hue’s ‘balls to the wall’ approach on offense. I LOVED the constant aggression. The offense was imaginative and exciting to watch.
Also LOVED the way Hue addressed Al (RIP) as Coach Davis.
Understand why he was fired. I think he more or less forced Mark’s hand.
I liked Hue and still do. Think he can be a really excellent OC again.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
Lakers name Vlade Divac their next head coach.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Every coach has favorites that is not new. Gallery was floundering til Cable came here. The reason Fargas played was he fumbled the rock 3 or 4 times in almost 400 carries for Cable. McFadden had fumbled it 8 times in a little over 100 carries. That’s why McFadden wasn’t playing.
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The other two reasons Fargas played over DMac:
- He could make the reads in the ZBS that DMac couldn’t, and still cannot seem to figure out.
- Until a year ago, DMac had dead legs on first contact syndrome. Fargas ran with reckless abandon and was much better blasting into traffic to at least get a yard or two if that’s all that was there.
Synopsis: Fargas was the smarter RB and better fit for a system that relies on brains as much as athleticism.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
tedy bruschi roasting asomugha on nfl live, says he is afraid to tackle.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Mistic,
Luck has 100 more attempts as well. The probability goes up when you consider it as a whole.
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n doubt about it, luck is fantastic, but it cant be said the RgIII doesnt read defenses as well. If he couldnt he would be in game 9 with only 3 picks right along side tom brady for fewest in the nfl
he is on par or better in that regard as i have stated, on top of being waaaaaaaaayyyyyyy more athletic
November 9th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Don’t know what kind of HC Hue Jax would ultimately have become.
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While I appreciate your loyalty to Jackson, the fact it the team got worse and worse under his “leadership”.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
46.Seymour Bush Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Dakota Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
What was Tom cables record as a hc again? 20 and 60 or something like that?
The guy is not hc material. Get over it. He will never get a hc gig in the NFL again.
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HE’S ASSISTANT HEAD COACH OF THE SEATTLE SEA HAWKS RIGHT NOW!! Clearly espousing the political program advancement of the 1830’s has clouded your judgement. The election just went down, and you took a beating like we haven’t seen in decades, you might want to take some time off from thinking.
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What is your point? Is he the HEAD COACH of the Seahawks you fking retard? Do the wins and losses go next to his name in the record book?
Did you have a lot of leg room on the short bus?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RGIII = Brady, lmfao!
November 9th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
There’s only one thing that I really can say that I loved about Hue:
He’d let SeaBass run out there and try 70 yard attempts at the end of the half whenever it was possible. It was only a matter of time until our Polish Cannon would be holding the NFL record for longest kick ever.
Given that he’s getting up there in years and that he’s only going to get maybe 1 or 2 shots at the record per season under DA’s conservatism, his window for this is going to close fast. To me that’s a huge shame to see that the strongest leg in the history of the game may not get the chance to set the record that he’s most capable of crushing.
PS — After Akers barely bounced his way into the same record, I’m more motivated than ever to see SeaBass put up a 65+ just to show that he is in a class by himself.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Seymour I saw your post, While you think Seattles offense is so great I disagree it’s just the same thing we saw here prior to Hue’s hire. Which the same thing we’re seeing now under Knapp. Now IMO Seattle is winning due to their defense and running game. Like I said I thin Cable would make a great Oline coach but his offense is just a version of the WCO nothing spectacular. He and Knapp were bred in the same pin with the same O concepts nothing earth shattering. In fact I fine the offense BORING! Now when Norm Chow was running it and calling the plays at USC you saw a mix of the vertical game and the WCO.
What Seattle is doing offensively puts me to sleep but if you like it. Fine by me..
November 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RGIII = Brady, lmfao!
And better than Peyton.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I like RGIII, Mistic. I wish we had him, but we weren’t getting him regardless of the Palmer trade.
OTOH, what do you think of Taiwan?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Dan Patrick on this morning talking about whether Lance is going to fire his dad because of USC’s defense. That punk would be too scared of a whipping…maybe he sends a memo?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
rgIII 3- ints
tom brady 3 ints
rodgers 5 int
peyton manning 6-int
carson palmer 8- int
drew brees 8 int
eli manning 9 int
andrew luck 9 int
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He has the best running game out of all the QB’s you mentioned to take pressure off of him , and also have way less attempts then these guys, majority of ints are caused by poor reads and poor decisions is not all true , most of them happen at times when you’re trying to come back already down 3 scores going into the 4th , and D’s knowing what the eff is coming , and you have more pressure put on your QB’s by the DL, and most of them happen by wrong route run by receivers or inability from receivers to sell the routes
November 9th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
micheal bush was very good for us last season and palmer didnt win much then either
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When we were “winning” under Campbell, our defense was giving up 20, 24, 20, 17, points. Because of the POS Carson Palmer our defense was giving up 34, 46, 28, 38. God Palmer sucks on defense!
November 9th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Zymurge Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
i agree luck is fantastic but rgIII is truly way ahead in terms of reading defenses and decision making.
Dont you agree that interception toatls revael how good a player is or isnt in this regard? after all the majority of interceptions are cuased by poor reads or poor decisions.
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It’s a partial picture. Alex Smith doesn’t throw a lot of interceptions and has a ton of wins. Would you want him over either CP3 or RGIII? I definitely wouldn’t! Put him in CP3’s situation where he has a marginal defense, no running game, and has to throw 60 times a game and he’s probably put up 5 picks a game.
Being careful with the ball is not purely a manifestation of good reads. JC was very careful with the ball and as a result, Shane Lechler had record seasons given the number of 3 and outs he lead the offense on.
One reason that running QBs can throw less picks is because they have easier progressions to read. It goes: check primary, check secondary, run. A non-running QB has to make more reads in the same amount of time.
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1. i would not take smuith over rgIII ….ever he simply isnt as good
2. i would take smith over palmer in a heart beat. i would not have said that 3 years ago, but in the here and now smith has improved palmer has regressed
3. Jc was very careful with the ball which is why he manged to lead us to firts place and posted a very solid win loss record. protecting the ball is the first priorty for a qb.
4. Your claim that “running qbs can throw less picks is because they have less reads” is patently false.
RGIII and russel wilson run west coast offense. Wco has multiple routes on every pas play after 3-5 reads per pass play. These two guys go thorough the entire progression unless the o line allows quick pressure.
This is exactly what makes rgIII and russel wilson so good, their ability to go through progressions and make reads.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Zymurge Says: PS — After Akers barely bounced his way into the same record, I’m more motivated than ever to see SeaBass put up a 65+ just to show that he is in a class by himself.===========
Doesn’t SeaBass have two from 63? And one squeaked in but the other would’ve been good from 70 plus.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I thought USC had a diff DC than old man Kiff?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I think Richochet was Brien. They were both very angry and hated Kell.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
How much of Reece are we going to see this weekend? I wouldn’t count on Taiwan lasting the entire game.
The best thing would be to get some packages developed for Pryor; the Ravens would never be expecting that.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Wonder if Marcel can run in the ZBS? Man that kid is versatile. I bet Belicheat would LOVE to have that young man in his camp…
November 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
ABP:
“I think Ricochet was Brien. They were both very angry and hated Kell.”
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It’s a hall of mirrors here; you’re guess is as good as mine.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
micheal bush was very good for us last season and palmer didnt win much then either
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And Alex Smith did. Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Tebow won what, 6 straight?
You did watch the sieve of a defense last year, didn’t you? The offense, under Palmer with a running game did more than their part to earn wins. Unless you expect the QB to also go out and play MLB, then pinning wins and losses on them is pretty myopic. Unless you now believe that Newton and RGIII also suck because they aren’t winning either. You can’t have it both ways.
When I look at QB effectiveness, I’m only looking at how well the offense does under their leadership. Palmer was better when he had a good running game, no doubt. He was putting up numbers on a 4000 yard pace, despite being late into a system he had to learn on the fly. This year, he’s in a system that he had say in how to tune around the himself and the offense, and that is showing up in yards and TDs. If there were also a running game, even akin to what they had last year with Bush, his picks would be done considerably, because he’s be able to pass against non-pass focused defenses on every down.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
2. i would take smith over palmer in a heart beat. i would not have said that 3 years ago, but in the here and now smith has improved palmer has regressed======
Wow! Maybe you should stick to evaluating black QB’s.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
With JC , we held the opposing team to under 100 rushing yards in 3 out of 6 games last year, with Palmer our Run D only had 2 out 10 games where they allowed the opposing D to rush less than 100 yards.. god Palmer sucks
November 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Cable
Hue
Jason Campbell
Wtf are we doing wasting time talking about these long gone people?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
seahawks have a terrible offensive line and have for the last 2 years. Russle is routinely chased out of the pocket and has been amazing with his ability to challenge the line of scrimmage and make plays with his arm on the run.
You put a guy like palmer behind a line like that he gets killed.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Doesn’t SeaBass have two from 63? And one squeaked in but the other would’ve been good from 70 plus.
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Nope. He has the 63 (in Denver that would have been good from much further) as well as a 61 and a 60. Nobody else in league history has more than one over 60.
But I still want to see 65 on there
November 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
ABP:
“I think Ricochet was Brien. They were both very angry and hated Kell.”
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It’s a hall of mirrors here; you’re guess is as good as mine.
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Whoever he was, it seems like the arrival of Richochet is what sent this blog into crazy town.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
If Mistic does not want to take into the account that our D sucked , like the same way he makes excuses for all the black QB’s
Then Palmer >>>> Griffin sucks, Cam Newton sucks, vick sucks…
Let’s just go by the wins , whats the point of going about the stats if they don’t lead you to wins ?>
November 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Hopefully the Goodson injury isn’t too bad; otherwise, I don’t get why we wouldn’t have signed some RB this week and started getting him up to speed.
In the meantime, we should see what Reece is made of.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Seymour I saw your post, While you think Seattles offense is so great I disagree it’s just the same thing we saw here prior to Hue’s hire. Which the same thing we’re seeing now under Knapp. Now IMO Seattle is winning due to their defense and running game. Like I said I thin Cable would make a great Oline coach but his offense is just a version of the WCO nothing spectacular.
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I completely agree. However they are winning. They are 8-6 in their last 14. They have to be doing something right on offense even if that is “not screwing up”. My point is you had a guy who was successful. We brought him here, he took over the middle of a disaster, got that fixed, he went on to another program, they are doing well, and it’s everyones credit for all that success but that one guy. Something is wrong with that thinking.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I like RGIII, Mistic. I wish we had him, but we weren’t getting him regardless of the Palmer trade.
OTOH, what do you think of Taiwan?
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ilke tj he is a speed burner and slasher, reminds me a tiny bit of lionel little train james and gary anderson of dischrger fame
question is will he try to do too much like he did on his only carry this year, or can he be secure with the football
November 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
D Allen is rubbing me the wrong way with his lack of personality..but that just may be a personal thing. If he does not fire Greg Knapp at the end of the season he will officially be a bad hire. Almost as bad as hiring Greg Knapp in the first place. Yes i know old news but i just signed up to make comments lol.
We must have MISSED on Tony Bergstrom if he cant start over Willie Smith by now.. T Jones is so slight of build i expect a couple fumbles out of him. but he should break 2 or 3. I say we go full run and shoot like Gannon against the Steelers that sunday night in 2002 when we started our run. This team has enough talent. We need better play calling on offense and to keep R. Mcclain off the field (who hit hte wrong hole on all of D Martin’s runs) and we can still go 9-7
November 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
How old is Janikowski now ? Early to mid 30’s ?
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jani still kicking into his mid or maybe even late 40’s.
I wouldn’t rule him out as becoming the NFL’s all-time leading scorer before it’s all said and done.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
DMAC Says: Can’t we all just get along?=================
I tried that last week. Didn’t work!
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When I can spend more time in here instead of trying to catch up on all the reading, speakin of which is not in good taste, everybody will all get along, cuz Mr Green is all about brotherhood and sisterhood and all things good and all Raidah.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Another reason Fargas played and McFadden sat under Cable-McFadden was hurt-like he usually is.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
If Mistic does not want to take into the account that our D sucked , like the same way he makes excuses for all the black QB’s
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again dividing players according to race
you are disgusting trash
November 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Seahawks have a horrible offensive line? your kidding right?
Alex Smith over Palmer?
Stop it.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
2. i would take smith over palmer in a heart beat. i would not have said that 3 years ago, but in the here and now smith has improved palmer has regressed======
Wow! Maybe you should stick to evaluating black QB’s.
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another racist troll that divides players according to skin color
November 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Smith is a game manager, boring and predictable.
He is not winning any SB’s period.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
seahawks have a terrible offensive line and have for the last 2 years. Russle is routinely chased out of the pocket and has been amazing with his ability to challenge the line of scrimmage and make plays with his arm on the run.
You put a guy like palmer behind a line like that he gets killed.
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Russell is unique with his body and style. He’e built for a terrible o-line. When he get’s more daring, he’ll be scary good. Palmer, on the other hand who I like too, needs a o-line that can protect him. That is how he is built. Wish the Raidahs could have seven o-linemen for him because then he could be scary good. BTW, I am fans of all and most athletes, but can not stand the seahacks. I live near seahack territory and the fans are the biggest crybabies in the nfl. Nothing beats listening to them lamenting over a loss with their lack of football knowledge.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
One of the other websites I visit regularly has a flagging system for users that seems to work pretty well. In this place, though, the puppets would shut everyone out in a heartbeat.
I just wish we had better enforcement; week-long bans or in special cases IP address blocks. I love the Raider Nation and this is the only place I go to get my Raiders news, but man this zoo is tiring me out.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Jon Gruden calling assistant coaches to see if they would be available if he were to coach again….
Gruden back to the Raiders?
Phil back to the Lakers?
One can dream….
November 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Forget Mcfadden. Why did Fargas start over Bush?
Because Cable played favorites. Bush should have benn starting and he would probably still be here now.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Seattle Seahawks have the 7th ranked rushing O
Oakland have 31st ranked rushing O
CP = 330 attempts 8 Int , D’s know pass is coming
RW = 234 attempts 8 Int , D don’t know if its going to a pass or run
Explain the 8 ints Mistic
November 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Raiders Grief Counselor Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 16th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Jay Cutler will be in a Raiders uniform before his playing days are over.
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I was probably wrong about that one.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Dakota Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Cable
Hue
Jason Campbell
Wtf are we doing wasting time talking about these long gone people?
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gotta agree.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Raidahs 31
Biltmo 17
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November 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
rgIII 3- ints
tom brady 3 ints
rodgers 5 int
peyton manning 6-int
carson palmer 8- int
drew brees 8 int
eli manning 9 int
andrew luck 9 int
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He has the best running game out of all the QB’s you mentioned to take pressure off of him , and also have way less attempts then these guys, majority of ints are caused by poor reads and poor decisions is not all true , most of them happen at times when you’re trying to come back already down 3 scores going into the 4th , and D’s knowing what the eff is coming , and you have more pressure put on your QB’s by the DL, and most of them happen by wrong route run by receivers or inability from receivers to sell the routes
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your world is a strange one indeed
It is a widley accepted practice of using int stats to help judge the abilty of the qb to read defnses, you want to argue about this?!?!?
why?
please prove your statement that
“most (ints) of them happen at times when you’re trying to come back already down 3 scores going into the 4th , and D’s knowing what the eff is coming , and you have more pressure put on your QB’s by the DL, and most of them happen by wrong route run by receivers or inability from receivers to sell the routes”
Poor reads forced passes and bad decisions are the biggest reason for interceptions and i dont know one person on earth that would try and change this long held standard.
Oh accept for a racist troll like you that wants to suspend the facts to fit his agenda
November 9th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
If Mistic does not want to take into the account that our D sucked , like the same way he makes excuses for all the black QB’s
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again dividing players according to race
you are disgusting trash
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So you’re denying saying that Griffins support sucks and Cam newtons support sucks, and Vick’s O line is the worst ever . and Seattle OL sucks too ?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
after that, explain the terrible seahawks oline.
Wilson has pnly been sacked 15 times. 7th ranked rushing offense.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Seattle Seahawks have the 7th ranked rushing O
Oakland have 31st ranked rushing O
CP = 330 attempts 8 Int , D’s know pass is coming
RW = 234 attempts 8 Int , D don’t know if its going to a pass or run
Explain the 8 ints Mistic
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wilson is a rookie and learning how to be a pro qb, not a 10 year vet that has a looooooong history of bone headed mistakes.
why are you so obsessed with my take on palmer?
get a life
November 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: You put a guy like palmer behind a line like that he gets killed.============
He is behind a line like that and he is getting killed. An amazing and tough QB my Golden Haired Hero is.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
One of the other websites I visit regularly has a flagging system for users that seems to work pretty well. In this place, though, the puppets would shut everyone out in a heartbeat.
I just wish we had better enforcement; week-long bans or in special cases IP address blocks. I love the Raider Nation and this is the only place I go to get my Raiders news, but man this zoo is tiring me out.
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They used to do that. An IP ban really doesn’t stop anyone, though. All you have to do is use a proxy site to hide your IP address.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Let it go Mcfadden20; just ignore the guy. Don’t let him get to you. Let’s just talk some football.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Don’t know what kind of HC Hue Jax would ultimately have become.
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While I appreciate your loyalty to Jackson, the fact it the team got worse and worse under his “leadership”.
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this just isnt true cable went 5-11 without jackson 8-8 with him and the difference Hue made in the O was a night an day difference. when Hue took over as HC he had no offseason but thats overlooked time and time again, Hue had had us in first place when the team was HEALTHY, thats overlooked, Hue got us the best qb we’ve had since gannon and most of you (including me) shower CP3 with praise. CP3 was off the street and had no offseason or training camp but was thrust into action when he clearly wasnt ready which cost us a few games. when CP3 grasp Hues O we looked like an O poised to be one of the best and that was without Mcfadden, this is overlooked by many here. Hue had the worst DC in football who gave away 4 games, Den ,Det,Buff,SD, this is overlooked. Despite dealing with all these problems as a ROOKIE COACH with no offseason mind you he still guided this team to an 8-8 record. that is flat out astounding and one of the better coaching jobs I have ever seen and not to mention AL died in the mist of all of this. sure he went 1-5 down the stretch which is what all the Hue haters point to but you would be hard pressed to find another rookie coach that would have done as well, just look at DA, he’s had everything Hue didnt have (CP3 & Mcfadden healthy at the same time, full offseason and training camp and a decent DC) and he hasnt come close to the success Hue had, thats why its common knowledge to realistic fans that if Hue were here today we’d easily have a winning record.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Mistic1, I’ve watched Seattle a few times and if not for the Wilson kid their passing game would look like ours did when Cable was running it here with his buddy Knapp. The offense is simple and a checkdown system with a bunch of slants and very little imagination. I c ould be wrong but don’t think so. Beast mode helps a lot and Wilson’s brilliance does the rest.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Seattle Seahawks have the 7th ranked rushing O
Oakland have 31st ranked rushing O
CP = 330 attempts 8 Int , D’s know pass is coming
RW = 234 attempts 8 Int , D don’t know if its going to a pass or run
Explain the 8 ints Mistic
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wilson is a rookie and learning how to be a pro qb, not a 10 year vet that has a looooooong history of bone headed mistakes.
why are you so obsessed with my take on palmer?
get a life
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Why are you so obsessed about making excuses for black qb’s and degrading Palmer and not acknowledging his teams short comings , why are you so obsessed with showing up every single day after a Palmer loss and only showing up a day or 2 after he wins?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Forget Mcfadden. Why did Fargas start over Bush?
Because Cable played favorites. Bush should have benn starting and he would probably still be here now.
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That wasn’t Cable. lst off, Mike had a broken leg and the org basically “red shirted” him his lst year. Mike thought he could play, the org wanted him to sit and get in shape. Then the backfield got crowded with McFadden, Fargas and Bush, and they wanted to use Mike as a FB in the same backfield as McFadden. Bush would have part in it and that kind of soured the org on Mike a little. Mike Bush and the Oakland Raiders was just never a match made in heaven.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I’ve got DHB and Marcel Reece on my Fantasy Football team. I’ve only got 1 flex spot. Who should I start?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
For years after the selection, the Old Man was mocked for spending a first on Janikowski.
I think Al can RIP knowing he was vindicated on that at least.
For better or worse, Al never gave a sht about going against the grain and picking who he wanted.
Imagine the balls on that guy to select a PUNTER in the first round.
How Ray Guy is not in the HOF is beyond me.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
after that, explain the terrible seahawks oline.
Wilson has pnly been sacked 15 times. 7th ranked rushing offense.
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marshawn lynch is an exceptional runner, and seattle is good t run blocking.
russle wilson is a Houdini escaping pressure other wise the sack total would be through the roof. one of the main reason he beat out high pad free agent matt flynn by the way
remember when cable was here? the team could run block but they sucked at pass protection kwame harris anyone?
same story up north that is whop cables line is and always have been
November 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Stay tuned to NFL Live to see what the former Patriot and Bronco think about the Raiders/ravens match-up.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: another racist troll that divides players according to skin color=============
No,no,no, not another one. I’m the same one you had already stereotyped.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
108-beat me to it.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Let it go Mcfadden20; just ignore the guy. Don’t let him get to you. Let’s just talk some football.
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He cant he’s Mistic’s Biotch. The dummy actually thinks he will run Mistic outta here by going back and fourth with him, dude is just dumb.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
after that, explain the terrible seahawks oline.
Wilson has pnly been sacked 15 times. 7th ranked rushing offense.
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marshawn lynch is an exceptional runner, and seattle is good t run blocking.
russle wilson is a Houdini escaping pressure other wise the sack total would be through the roof. one of the main reason he beat out high pad free agent matt flynn by the way
remember when cable was here? the team could run block but they sucked at pass protection kwame harris anyone?
same story up north that is whop cables line is and always have been
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Who cares , explain the 8 ints if he can escape the pressure ,same amount as Palmer with way better running game and 100 less attempts? please don’t make excuses
November 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Wouldn’t it have been nice if Israel didn’t take out Saddam’s Osirak nuclear reactor ?
Wouldn’t it be nice if Israel didn’t destroy Assad’s nuclear ambitions in Syria ?
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Sounds like a hostile/ terrorist country that keeps bombing its neighbors, and you say Iran is radical?
LOL
November 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Agreed, Seymour Bush. The organization was very patient with Michael Bush, and he didn’t repay them in kind.
It’s a shame, one of many miscues we’ve had over the past decade.
All this Seahawks talk has me thinking about Chris Clemmons. Dam we could have used that guy!
November 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Let it go Mcfadden20; just ignore the guy. Don’t let him get to you. Let’s just talk some football.
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He cant he’s Mistic’s Biotch. The dummy actually thinks he will run Mistic outta here by going back and fourth with him, dude is just dumb.
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And you must be my biotch , becuz you can’t get my name out of your mouth, just fuk off and talk about Hue
November 9th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Seattle Seahawks have the 7th ranked rushing O
Oakland have 31st ranked rushing O
CP = 330 attempts 8 Int , D’s know pass is coming
RW = 234 attempts 8 Int , D don’t know if its going to a pass or run
Explain the 8 ints Mistic
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wilson is a rookie and learning how to be a pro qb, not a 10 year vet that has a looooooong history of bone headed mistakes.
why are you so obsessed with my take on palmer?
get a life
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Why are you so obsessed about making excuses for black qb’s and degrading Palmer and not acknowledging his teams short comings , why are you so obsessed with showing up every single day after a Palmer loss and only showing up a day or 2 after he wins?
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macbiggot we have nothing further to discuss
her you are AGAIN ATTEMTPING TO DIDVDE PLAYERS ACCORDING TO RACE?!?!?!?
Your statement “making excuses for black qb” proves that you are looking for the race of the players first.
Wilson being a rookie is not an excuse it is a fact, palmer cant make that claim
worship palmer if you like….i dont have to and he hasnt been very good as a raider. too many turn overs in general, to many game ending turnovers specifically and too many losses
November 9th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says: —–
They used to do that. An IP ban really doesn’t stop anyone, though. All you have to do is use a proxy site to hide your IP address.======================
Isn’t IP address device specific? 2 computers on the same account, 2 IP addresses?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I don’t think you should be throwing 8 ints, with that running game and with that D in only 234 attempts,doesn’t matter if you’re rookie or not
November 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
I would blow my load if Phil Jackson walked into the arena tonight to watch the Lakers.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
#127
There are IP masks that you can acquire online, normally used for downloading illegal content. It’s pretty easy, from what I’ve heard.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says: —–
They used to do that. An IP ban really doesn’t stop anyone, though. All you have to do is use a proxy site to hide your IP address.======================
Isn’t IP address device specific? 2 computers on the same account, 2 IP addresses?
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Your IP address is your internet address. You can use a proxy site and that will disguise your IP. So if you get banned, you can still log in. Trust me, I know.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
No reason to throw 8 ints , with top 10 running game and top 5 D in only 234 attempts , just can’t imagine him with our team , with bottom 5 running game and bottom 5 D and attempting 330 passes
November 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
after that, explain the terrible seahawks oline.
Wilson has pnly been sacked 15 times. 7th ranked rushing offense.
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marshawn lynch is an exceptional runner, and seattle is good t run blocking.
russle wilson is a Houdini escaping pressure other wise the sack total would be through the roof. one of the main reason he beat out high pad free agent matt flynn by the way
remember when cable was here? the team could run block but they sucked at pass protection kwame harris anyone?
same story up north that is whop cables line is and always have been
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Who cares , explain the 8 ints if he can escape the pressure ,same amount as Palmer with way better running game and 100 less attempts? please don’t make excuses
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russel is an inexperienced rookie making his first journey through the nfl. he is seeing things he never has before and he is rising to the challenge.
Experience in any pro sport is ahuge advantage and lack of experience being a rookie is a huge disadvantage
You have never heard this?
wow ,and you are supposed to be a football fan?
palmer has less wins and more turnovers than wilson and he is a 10 year vet that has sense every defensive scheme in football at least a dozen times.
cmon loser your obsessed
November 9th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Here is a proxy site:
http://4freeproxy.com/
November 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
DHB or Marcel Reece: who’s going to have a better day on the field?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
135.papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
DHB or Marcel Reece: who’s going to have a better day on the field?
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Ray Rice.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Papertiger Reece w/o question…
November 9th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
DHB or Marcel Reece: who’s going to have a better day on the field?
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I say DHB. Palmer is going to be throwing the ball a lot.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Thanks, JLofty! I figured as much, but I’ve been missing on my FF starts pretty badly over the past month.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Dakota Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
135.papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
DHB or Marcel Reece: who’s going to have a better day on the field?
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Ray Rice.
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At least that is what YOU are hoping for.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: You put a guy like palmer behind a line like that he gets killed.============
He is behind a line like that and he is getting killed. An amazing and tough QB my Golden Haired Hero is.
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that was my point dumbass
palmer in seattle would do what he is doing here turn the ball over and lose games
November 9th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
stop making excuses 8 int is still too much , wether your a rookie or a veteran when you have # 4 Ranked Running game and # 3 Ranked D
November 9th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Let it go Mcfadden20; just ignore the guy. Don’t let him get to you. Let’s just talk some football.
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He cant he’s Mistic’s Biotch. The dummy actually thinks he will run Mistic outta here by going back and fourth with him, dude is just dumb.
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And you must be my biotch , becuz you can’t get my name out of your mouth, just fuk off and talk about Hue
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ah, I see you read my post insightful wasnt it. I know you wish you could post like that instaed of ridings Mistics Dik 24/7.
November 9th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
140.lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Dakota Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
135.papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
DHB or Marcel Reece: who’s going to have a better day on the field?
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Ray Rice.
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At least that is what YOU are hoping for.
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Oh Lefty12, still hurt from the DHB draft comment embarrassment lol. You really hold on to things don’t you?
November 9th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
ABP,
I know Palmer’s going to be throwing it all over the field, but I’m not sure if he’s going to consistently target DHB. Sometimes it seems as if he ignores DHB for quarters at a time. I also don’t know if DHB’s going to get a PI flag instead of a reception.
I figure Reece may have a better day statistically because I don’t see Taiwan Jones lasting the entire game.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: You put a guy like palmer behind a line like that he gets killed.============
He is behind a line like that and he is getting killed. An amazing and tough QB my Golden Haired Hero is.
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that was my point dumbass
palmer in seattle would do what he is doing here turn the ball over and lose games
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Palmer is throwing 1 int every 41 attempts he makes with D’s having no respect for our running game # 31st Ranked D
Russel is averaging 1 int every 29 attempts with D’s putting 8 in box to stop M Lynch # 4 ranked D
You have no logic behind ur stupid BS
You’re exposed
November 9th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Papertiger, pick up Brandon Meyers if is a free agent. I bet he has more points than either of them.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Let it go Mcfadden20; just ignore the guy. Don’t let him get to you. Let’s just talk some football.
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He cant he’s Mistic’s Biotch. The dummy actually thinks he will run Mistic outta here by going back and fourth with him, dude is just dumb.
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And you must be my biotch , becuz you can’t get my name out of your mouth, just fuk off and talk about Hue
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ah, I see you read my post insightful wasnt it. I know you wish you could post like that instaed of ridings Mistics Dik 24/7.
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see you just can’t let it go , can you? just talk about Hue, or go to Bengals board
November 9th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Phil Jackson spotted at the Lakers facility yesterday….
Phil Jackson cancels speaking engagement for next week at the last minute….
Oh baby!
Just working on the contract specifics right now.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
By the way did anybody catch my boy EJ mmanual leading the late comeback win with 3 td passes and 300 yards?
THIS KID IS IN THE TOP 2 QBS OF THIS CLASS HANDS DOWN ALONG WITH GENO SMITH
November 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
and When Mistic is exposed , he will leave for about an hour and come back with new material
November 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I think Reece has a shot at a LOT of touches/targets on sun.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
DHB or Marcel Reece: who’s going to have a better day on the field?
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Taiwan Jones, hop aboard Nation. I say the kid surprises all.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
By the way did anybody catch my boy EJ mmanual leading the late comeback win with 3 td passes and 300 yards?
THIS KID IS IN THE TOP 2 QBS OF THIS CLASS HANDS DOWN ALONG WITH GENO SMITH
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Nobody cares about them in here , because we won’t be picking a QB anytime soon , got any updates on top Wide Receivers in the nation? TOP Linebacker or ball hawk cb or safety?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Sounds like a hostile/ terrorist country that keeps bombing its neighbors, and you say Iran is radical?
LOL
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Sounds like a country surrounded by hostile neighbors and doing what is necessary to minimize the existential threat it faces from said neighbors.
And no, I don’t say Iran is radical. Iran’s stated desire to wipe Israel off the map is actually the norm in that region.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: You put a guy like palmer behind a line like that he gets killed.============
He is behind a line like that and he is getting killed. An amazing and tough QB my Golden Haired Hero is.
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that was my point dumbass
palmer in seattle would do what he is doing here turn the ball over and lose games
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Palmer is throwing 1 int every 41 attempts he makes with D’s having no respect for our running game # 31st Ranked D
Russel is averaging 1 int every 29 attempts with D’s putting 8 in box to stop M Lynch # 4 ranked D
You have no logic behind ur stupid BS
You’re exposed
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WHAT AN IDOIT!!!!
are rookies supposed to be as good as 10 year vets?
no.
wilson is doing very well for a rookie, why compare him to a 10 year vet?
what is this about anyway?
why are you comparing them what is the point?
but since you are comparing wilson is leading a 5-4 team and has more wins and fewer turn overs than palmer
November 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
I was trying to decide on Reece over Ahmad Bradsaw…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
I dont know what to expect from Taiwan I hope he does well but I have a feeling he will have a costly fumble at some point in the game. Hope I’m wrong.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Rico and B are not the same and rico is not beech
but I will give you a clue
B and Beech are buddies.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Mistic,
Do you only talk QB’s?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
DHB or Dwayne Bowe?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
ABP,
Definitely! I snagged Myers off the waiver wire a few weeks ago because Jermichael Finley was pulling a Ricky Dudley on me. The guy has been money so far.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
No,Dakota,I see you rooting against the Raiders all the time.You are one of those that believe we should tank the season,at least that is what you’ve said in the past.Besides,your main reason for coming here is to talk Lakers,isn’t it?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I hope your right E. Taiwan hasn’t shown abilty to not fumble every 1/3 touch tho…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Dwayne Bowe would be such an awesome pick up for us, and you know he’d bring it every time we played the Chiefs. Cork said he didn’t think the Raiders were going to be in the market for a big FA wideout, but I think we need a proven player who can take pressure off the rest of the group.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Dakota Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
I would blow my load if Phil Jackson walked into the arena tonight to watch the Lakers.
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Is there any medication available to combat premature ejaculation ?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says: —–
They used to do that. An IP ban really doesn’t stop anyone, though. All you have to do is use a proxy site to hide your IP address.======================
Isn’t IP address device specific? 2 computers on the same account, 2 IP addresses?
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Geek time. IP addresses are assigned to a computer when they connect to the internet through a provider. They don’t stick with computers (mac addresses do however), so if you took your laptop to a Starbucks and connected, you’d look like a completely different IP address.
There are lots of proxies that people mentioned above that will hide your actual IP from the site you are ultimately connecting to and instead provide their own. Technically, you can still block the proxies by each individual address, but there are lots and lots of them so it’s an uphill battle.
Lastly, many IPs use what’s called DHCP, that essentially assigns any of a rotating list of IP addresses to a computer when it’s needed. So if you’re behind someone big like ATT or Comcast, you could come in with a different IP address every day you connect.
Long story short: IP based filtering is just too fragile to rely on, so it doesn’t work in the forum world.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Lakers fans melting down already begging for Phil to come back, this is just the begining of the Faker demise and Ill enjoy it every step of the way.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Cork has been wrong b4….
November 9th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Mike Trudell @LakersReporter 1h
Kupchak: “When there’s a coach like Phil Jackson, one of the all-time greats and he’s not coaching, we’d be negligent not to be aware.”
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Word on the street is, the HC job is Phil’s IF he wants to go through the grind again. Also the wheels started turning last week on M. Brown getting whacked.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
From Bill Williamson at BSPN;
The Raiders have allowed 12 rushing touchdowns of at least 40 yards since the start of the 2010 season. They allowed three last week to Tampa Bay’s Doug Martin. The next worst three teams on the list in that category since the start of the 2010 season have surrendered 12 combined. Up next for Oakland: Baltimore tailback Ray Rice.
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TJones struggled mightily with the ZBS in the preseason and is a huge question mark in the blocking department. Marcel Reece is not known for his blocking either, and unless I’m missing something has played zero (or almost zero) tailback in the NFL. We already know about the o-line’s struggles in both run blocking and pass protection, and we’re facing the Ravens’ D. Some say they’re not the same, but does it really matter when we are as bad as we are up front?
Palmer is probably already loading up on Ibuprofen.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
We need Defense,Defense,Defense, and then more Defense.
We shouldn’t even consider drafting anyone on Offense.
Well maybe a lineman.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
You’re making excuses Mistake(Mistic), if he’s throwing 8 ints every 29 attempts with # 4 ranked rushing( which means D’s are not sure whats coming ) and #3 Ranked D(which means you don’t have to outscore the other team too much or try to come back from large deficits)..
then i can imagine he would be leading the NFL in ints this year if he was on the Raiders, attempting 40 passes with #31st ranked run game (which means D’s will be totally geared towards stopping the pass game)
bottom 5 D ( which means he would have to score more than usual and would be in passing situations late in game)
So i can imagine he would have probably had 25 Int’s and we would have benched him in favor of our back up
and we’re sitting pretty at 0-8
November 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
For years after the selection, the Old Man was mocked for spending a first on Janikowski.
I think Al can RIP knowing he was vindicated on that at least.
For better or worse, Al never gave a sht about going against the grain and picking who he wanted.
Imagine the balls on that guy to select a PUNTER in the first round.
How Ray Guy is not in the HOF is beyond me.
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This is just a little insight on why I became not just a hardcore Raider fan but a hardcore Al Davis fan. He was not just one of the smartest men I ever witnessed in the world of football. It was his hell bent for leather attitude and approach to it. Stuff they reemed him for he turned around and kicked their ass with. From small college athletes to and black QB’s and coaches to a women CEO. It’s popular to state this stuff now but it wasn’t then.
I know everyone focuses on the past 12 years and rightly so, but his mind was sharp until the end. My only problem with MR Davis was his IMPATIENCE with coaches and his demanding attitude to the point of unrealistic expectation under certain circumstances. All the outdated equipment and such is peripherral bullcrap that has very to do with winning. However inconvenient it was, he just didn’t focus in crap like that.
He wanted to win in the worst way but his own desires to win was his worse enemy. He was way too impatient and fired very good coaches prematurely as he got older. The new coaches would come in just like this present reggime and get rid of very talented players because they didn’t fit their system which cause an erroding effect on the entire org. As a result we loss games and great coaches and systems.
But such is the story of a lot of great men. When the bridge gets widened and understanding becomes an issue. Caoches would come here trying to prove they belonged more than trying to win if that makes any sense. They were always trying to prove to him he made the right decision instead of just doing what it takes to win. He was his own worse enemy late in his life.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Who is going to coach the Faker loss tnite?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
When have all these Taiwan fumbles occured ? I must have missed them.
I can see questioning his durability. But where does the fumble reputation come from ?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Lofty,
It all depends on whether you think Reece is going to get another TD. Bradshaw’s been limited in practice but the Bengals are giving up points left and right.
The best team in my FF league, Jazz Hands, is 8-1 and starting Bradshaw with his flex spot, behind McGahee and Shady McCoy, for what it’s worth.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
It would be crazy if the Lakers got Jerry Sloan.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Sounds like a hostile/ terrorist country that keeps bombing its neighbors, and you say Iran is radical?
LOL
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Sounds like a country surrounded by hostile neighbors and doing what is necessary to minimize the existential threat it faces from said neighbors.
And no, I don’t say Iran is radical. Iran’s stated desire to wipe Israel off the map is actually the norm in that region.
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I want to kill my POS of neighbor, but I’m not going to do it.
Most Arabs hate Israel, want to bomb it, but that doesn’t mean they will (Arabs live there too)
There is a difference between desire and actions.
Maybe if Israel didn’t Bomb Saddam’s reactor, he wouldn’t have bombed them in the gulf war and Iran wouldn’t feel threatened by Israel (the country that keeps bombing it’s neighbors).
November 9th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
99 he fumbled the fake punt recep (oob)…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
JLofty Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Who is going to coach the Faker loss tnite?
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If you’re the 99th caller right now on KSPN in LA you get the gig. The number is 1-800-heykobe hows my ass taste.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Taiwann had isues at EWU, and alot of times juggles the ball as he gets preparede to take off.
It’s a concentration/focus issue.
I’ve been watching this guy since EWU, I was at the games, and he is talented.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
I bet we see Bergstrom at RT in the second half this week.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Taiwann had isues at EWU, and alot of times juggles the ball as he gets preparede to take off.
It’s a concentration/focus issue.
I’ve been watching this guy since EWU, I was at the games, and he is talented.
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Do you live in Spokane?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I do, but EWU is in Cheney.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Hope I’m wrong. But, I have a bad feeling about our chances against the Ravens on Sunday. Ray Rice, is going to carve it up .. I probably will need a couple of strong bloodymarys to get through this one…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
99, he has three offensive touches in 2012. Fumbled two of them, one lost. Not exactly a model of ball handling prowess…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
I’m actually a student there.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Rooting for the fakers to lose might become as enjoyable as watching Tigger pout for 18 holes
November 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
When have all these Taiwan fumbles occured ? I must have missed them.
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Taiwan has had one rushing attempt, one pass reception and one KO return in 2012. 3 touches. Oh, and one fumble. That ain’t good.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
I wouldn’t mind seeing Berg in the first half…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I do, but EWU is in Cheney.
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I know. I’m from North Idaho. I went to a few EWU games when I was in high school.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
He didnt lose any Lofty.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Unless you count the fake punt
November 9th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Seymour, he fumbled that fake punt out of bounds too…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
I don’t know about his fumbling issues or lack thereof, but I just have a feeling that Taiwan is going to get blown up by a Raven early in the game. I keep thinking about how Sproles got blasted by Lewis a few years ago.
Durability is my main concern with Taiwan. He can’t be a workhorse.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I bet we see Bergstrom at RT in the second half this week
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If he doesn’t blow it while playing there in the 1st half you will be 100% correct.He will hopefully start the game at RT.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Oh yeah you are right, he was tackled for a 26 yrd loss on the reverse huh? My bad…
Reece takes some blame on that one though in all fairness.
I am rooting for him, no doubt. But JLofty has a very low tolerance for fumbles. Very low indeed…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Most Arabs hate Israel, want to bomb it, but that doesn’t mean they will (Arabs live there too)
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Talking about nukes.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Palmer is probably already loading up on Ibuprofen
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Hooked up to an IV on the plane ride back east…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
JLofty Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Oh yeah you are right, he was tackled for a 26 yrd loss on the reverse huh? My bad…
Reece takes some blame on that one though in all fairness.
I am rooting for him, no doubt. But JLofty has a very low tolerance for fumbles. Very low indeed…
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That was the game , we had the D on it’s toes and moving the ball real well and that happened to kill our momentum, right? and also the J Condo situation
November 9th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
The fake punt is the only lost fumble lofty.
The other 2 were the KO return and the botched reverse. He recovered his own fumble both times.
He needs to settle down. He is a very wired dude. I was in a class with him at EWU.
Black History class, with Professor Scott Finney, who is a Die-Hard Raider fan.
This explains my desire for him to do well.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Speaking of Condo, is BSJ around anymore?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Mistake is gone again i guess after another abuse on his favorite topic
November 9th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Palmer says he can’t wait to see what Jones will do.The OC said he can’t wait to see what he can do.Raider fans hopefully will enjoy watching him showing what he can do.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Zymurge Says: Long story short: IP based filtering is just too fragile to rely on, so it doesn’t work in the forum world.==========================================
So they block your mac address? Which is device specific. So if you’ve got a desktop, laptop tablet and smart phone you’ve got 4 lives?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Mc20-let it go and just ignore him.If everyone didn’t respond when he posted his drivel he would either vanish or change his topics.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
99,
Let’s not forget that the 2nd holiest place for Muslims is in Israel, so you & me know that Muslims are not eager to nuke Israel and the Muslims who live there.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Man our running game STINKS what about this has anyone confused……….. to have this kid covering punts and K/O’s and not even a sniff at HB is derolict……….period
TJ’s ability is obvious it doesn’t make sense for the running game to be in shambles and we have a talent like this in the doghouse for no apparent reason other he dropped a ball a few times. When DMC and Goodson have done so as well. I wouldn’t take issue with it if teh running game was top notch but as coach and OC what the hell are you thinking man. We’re 3-5 and the running game has a lot to do with that. But you keep a homerun hitter on the bench because he MIGHT fumble. You have to be damn near NUTS!
But we also kept Reece in the basement, Go figure!
November 9th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
I’ve asked him what he thought of Taiwan 5 times in two days and no reply.
Mistic thinks he is doing Gruden’s QB camp for the Raiders blog smh.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I just wish he would focus on Raiders talk. f*ck everyone else’s QB.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Mc20-let it go and just ignore him.If everyone didn’t respond when he posted his drivel he would either vanish or change his topics.
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OK man , sorry about that, he’s officially on the ignore list
November 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Why is Dmo 17 dropping so many passes?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
I want to kill my POS of neighbor, but I’m not going to do it.
Most Arabs hate Israel, want to bomb it, but that doesn’t mean they will (Arabs live there too)
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+You are not a nation. And Arabs have repeatedly bombed and waged war against Israel. Let’s be realistic and honest please.
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There is a difference between desire and actions.
Maybe if Israel didn’t Bomb Saddam’s reactor, he wouldn’t have bombed them in the gulf war and Iran wouldn’t feel threatened by Israel (the country that keeps bombing it’s neighbors).
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+ And maybe if Saddam, Assad or Dinnerjacket secured nukes, they’d be crazy enough to use them. There’s not a sane nation on this earth that would gamble on that possibility. As far as feeling threatened by Israel, that’s just paranoia and propaganda. Israel has had the bomb for decades now. Never even a thought of using it in aggression. Israel has the military might to smash it’s belligerent bellicose neighbors yet always acts with restraint and even returns conquered lands won in defensive wars. If Israel acted like a typical Arab nation, then Arabs would have something to fear.
Have the last word again, my friend. Then I’m done arguing for today.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Moore’s play is very disturbing to me.He is dropping balls and never seems to be on the same page as his QB.He missed a lot of time but has been back long enough so those things shouldn’t be a problem any longer.Something is amiss.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Israel has killed more people in that area than any other country.
Try again and this time without BS please.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Mistic,
Do you only talk QB’s?
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no
i have posted on the gm the new and the late owner, head coach, coordinators, schemes on offense and defens
dbs saftey d line o line wrs rbs tight ends and so on.
people are stuck on my post on qb and only choose to engage in debate on that lone topic
November 9th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Israel has bombed more countries and killed more people than Iraq, Iran, or Syria the last 6 decades.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
When have all these Taiwan fumbles occured ? I must have missed them.
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Taiwan has had one rushing attempt, one pass reception and one KO return in 2012. 3 touches. Oh, and one fumble. That ain’t good.
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Way too limited a sample size to derive any conclusions from.
One fumble on the fake punt. Big deal.
The reverse wasn’t TJ’s fault. True he didn’t pick up the KO aginst SD cleanly, but that wasn’t a fumble. Not like he got hit and coughed it up.
Did he fumble last year in his limited action ? I don’t think so, but will be glad to be corrected with actual stats.
Sorry, I don’t think the fumbler reputation has any basis in fact.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Priest,Jones has had numerous injuries,albeit little nagging ones,he has had fumbling issues,and he is still trying to get his blocking assignments down.Those are all reasons why his playing time hasn’t increased.Hopefully he shows this week that he should see more action.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
So any real game changers in college football we can take?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Then what do you think of Taiwan starting this weekend?
I am curious if you have even followed him because I do think you have a good amount of knowledge of the game.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Maybe instead of saying he has fumbling issues saying he has ball security issues might be better.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Moore’s play is very disturbing to me.He is dropping balls and never seems to be on the same page as his QB.He missed a lot of time but has been back long enough so those things shouldn’t be a problem any longer.Something is amiss.
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Moore took a SHOT in the Atlanta game. When Palmer thru to him a few plays later that went for a pick six, I was thinking Moore didn’t seem to know what was going on. And doesn’t seem to be getting much better. Let’s all hope he doesn’t go Chokie Lee Higgins on us.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
99
He fumbled alot in college too.
He is a very high strung guy. The dude can jump out of a swimming poll backwards for christs sake.
He gets caught up in the moment, like stage-fright.
He just needs to settle down and play football because he has the tools.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
You’re making excuses Mistake(Mistic), if he’s throwing 8 ints every 29 attempts with # 4 ranked rushing( which means D’s are not sure whats coming ) and #3 Ranked D(which means you don’t have to outscore the other team too much or try to come back from large deficits)..
then i can imagine he would be leading the NFL in ints this year if he was on the Raiders, attempting 40 passes with #31st ranked run game (which means D’s will be totally geared towards stopping the pass game)
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wilson is a rookie only played 9 pro games rookies ill make mistakes
your take on wilson in oakldn is blind speculation and i disagree.
what kind of an idiot expects a rookie to be on the same level as a 10 year nfl vet??!?!
i dont see what you are getting at but spit it out already
wilson has more wins and were turnovers
end of story jackazz
why not compare luck and palmer?
Ill do it
luck > palmer
November 9th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
God, we can’t afford to have Dmoore go down the JLH road. Ford, on the other hand…
November 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Moore’s play is very disturbing to me.He is dropping balls and never seems to be on the same page as his QB.He missed a lot of time but has been back long enough so those things shouldn’t be a problem any longer.Something is amiss.
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When it comes down to it, I think he’s just not as good mentally as the rest of the receiving staff. His primary strength is his dynamic speed and run after the catch, and that’s what got him to the NFL.
I think Hue’s offense was much simpler for the WRs, whereas the Knapp system is relies a lot more on the QB and WR making the same reads. On almost every throw I’ve seen Palmer make (and probably accounting for 2-3 of his picks) it was to a spot where he thought Moore should be, but he was making a different read. Hard for us to know what the “correct” read was, but I see him making that mistake almost exclusively with Moore and not the other WRs, so it does make it likely Moore is the culprit.
It also might have something to do with the drops. Moore is focused more on the mental part of the game than he’s had to be before, so that might be taking some amount of concentration away from his ability to catch the ball. Instead of knowing exactly where he’s going to end up looking for the ball before the snap, now he’s trying to read safeties and make split second calls. That takes some fractions of seconds away from his ability to set up for catches.
November 9th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
There aren’t many good FA wide receivers next year, so looks like we will have to over pay for the services of legit # 1 Receiver, or we will have to go Draft route
November 9th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Who would you guys take out of Gregg Jennings, Mike Wallace and Wes Walker next year?
November 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I’ve notice Moore losing his footing a lot more lately also…. Hopefully he ays his way through the drops and slips….but I agree… He hasn’t been as consistent as of late
November 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Hopefully he ” plays “.. Typo..sorry
November 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
You’re making excuses Mistake(Mistic), if he’s throwing 8 ints every 29 attempts with # 4 ranked rushing( which means D’s are not sure whats coming ) and #3 Ranked D(which means you don’t have to outscore the other team too much or try to come back from large deficits)..
then i can imagine he would be leading the NFL in ints this year if he was on the Raiders, attempting 40 passes with #31st ranked run game (which means D’s will be totally geared towards stopping the pass game)
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wilson is a rookie only played 9 pro games rookies ill make mistakes
your take on wilson in oakldn is blind speculation and i disagree.
what kind of an idiot expects a rookie to be on the same level as a 10 year nfl vet??!?!
i dont see what you are getting at but spit it out already
wilson has more wins and were turnovers
end of story jackazz
why not compare luck and palmer?
Ill do it
luck > palmer
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RW have 5 wins, and hardly more responsible for them than the # 3 ranked D and # 4 Rush O
RG is 3-6 but hardly his fault…. last Ranked D , make shift receivers…
Would you agree if both Qb’s swapped teams
then RG is better than 5-4 and RW is worse than 3-6?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Zy-I tend to agree with you.Also it looks like Moore and DHB have essentially traded spots with Moore doing more of the short/intermediate and DHB doing more of the downfield plays.IMO,it worked better when they were reversed.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Mac20, you are a big troll feeder. Quit feeding the trolls and they will go away. They see you as they see a lunch wagon. Feeding time. You football take is good, but your troll feeding is bad.
Just say no to trolls.
Do Not Feed The Trolls.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
99,
Btw, we are not arguing. We are having a debate, and I do enjoy our debates A LOT.
I like you and respect you, respect other religions and their rights to exist and practice in that area, but we don’t agree on some things.
You are still my cousin. lol
November 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Waldo the tildo Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Mac20, you are a big troll feeder. Quit feeding the trolls and they will go away. They see you as they see a lunch wagon. Feeding time. You football take is good, but your troll feeding is bad.
Just say no to trolls.
Do Not Feed The Trolls.
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Trolls has been fed over 2 years, i just recently got tired of his BS, tired of him celebrating Palmer’s losses , tired of his antics, he will be crushed on every point from now on
November 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Mike Wallace, but the price tag is gonna be steep.
Can’t pittburgh franchise him?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
You’re making excuses Mistake(Mistic), if he’s throwing 8 ints every 29 attempts with # 4 ranked rushing( which means D’s are not sure whats coming ) and #3 Ranked D(which means you don’t have to outscore the other team too much or try to come back from large deficits)..
then i can imagine he would be leading the NFL in ints this year if he was on the Raiders, attempting 40 passes with #31st ranked run game (which means D’s will be totally geared towards stopping the pass game)
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wilson is a rookie only played 9 pro games rookies ill make mistakes
your take on wilson in oakldn is blind speculation and i disagree.
what kind of an idiot expects a rookie to be on the same level as a 10 year nfl vet??!?!
i dont see what you are getting at but spit it out already
wilson has more wins and were turnovers
end of story jackazz
why not compare luck and palmer?
Ill do it
luck > palmer
—
RW have 5 wins, and hardly more responsible for them than the # 3 ranked D and # 4 Rush O
RG is 3-6 but hardly his fault…. last Ranked D , make shift receivers…
Would you agree if both Qb’s swapped teams
then RG is better than 5-4 and RW is worse than 3-6?
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no these guys are very similar, and both are very good.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Nothing really lost with DMac, wasn’t doing much any way, whether by design or by his own fragility. With Big Rich, nothing lost there either, not with the way he played against the Tbucks. Goodson was good for a few yards here and there. So, probably this is better for the team, let the young ones play, go and see what they can do.
However, with that said, it’s a still a real travesty to have T Pryor on the shelf like they do, truncating any future development for this young man. If they believe he’s not worthy to play any football at all, let the kid go. Why keep him tied up? I’m not saying that he’s better now than Palmer or Leinart, we don’t know, but the Raiders aren’t going anywhere soon with Palmer either. So what’s the point of keeping Pryor frozen?
I am glad that the Lakers finally heard the fans by firing Brown, why won’t the Raiders management listen to the fans and get rid of Krappy?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
O, just to set the record straight –
Hussein killed more ‘Palestinians’ during Black September, in your home of Jordan. than Israel ever did.
Assad wiped out more Arabs in Homs (and paved their bodies over with concrete) than Israel ever has.
During the Iran/Iraq war, the exact death toll is unknown but probably is way over a million.
I know you don’t like to hear this O, but when I see Arabs/Muslims doing this kind of stuff to themselves – it doesn’t take much to figure out what they’d do to Israel, if they had the opportunity.
If the Arabs put down their arms that will be the end of the conflict. If Israel puts down her arms that will be the end of Israel.
This time, I really am done. Have the last word again and lets have a truce after that ok ?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
You’re making excuses Mistake(Mistic), if he’s throwing 8 ints every 29 attempts with # 4 ranked rushing( which means D’s are not sure whats coming ) and #3 Ranked D(which means you don’t have to outscore the other team too much or try to come back from large deficits)..
then i can imagine he would be leading the NFL in ints this year if he was on the Raiders, attempting 40 passes with #31st ranked run game (which means D’s will be totally geared towards stopping the pass game)
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wilson is a rookie only played 9 pro games rookies ill make mistakes
your take on wilson in oakldn is blind speculation and i disagree.
what kind of an idiot expects a rookie to be on the same level as a 10 year nfl vet??!?!
i dont see what you are getting at but spit it out already
wilson has more wins and were turnovers
end of story jackazz
why not compare luck and palmer?
Ill do it
luck > palmer
—
RW have 5 wins, and hardly more responsible for them than the # 3 ranked D and # 4 Rush O
RG is 3-6 but hardly his fault…. last Ranked D , make shift receivers…
Would you agree if both Qb’s swapped teams
then RG is better than 5-4 and RW is worse than 3-6?
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no these guys are very similar, and both are very good.
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So your saying Griffin won’t win more games if he had D like Seattle which allows 17 points compared to wash which allows 34 ?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Mac20, you are a big troll feeder. Quit feeding the trolls and they will go away. They see you as they see a lunch wagon. Feeding time. You football take is good, but your troll feeding is bad.
Just say no to trolls.
Do Not Feed The Trolls.
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Mistic is not a troll. he is a Raider fan caught up in what could have been if not for Palmer.
I hope by the end of the season Palmer wins him over.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
November 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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Trolls has been fed over 2 years, i just recently got tired of his BS, tired of him celebrating Palmer’s losses , tired of his antics, he will be crushed on every point from now on
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this dude is delusional
you havnt crushed anything but your love doll
I havnt celebrated palmers losses only called him out for bad play when he deserves
I have also given credit for good play when he deserves
November 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
99,
Do you live in Israel?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Back in camp I thought the Run game and defense would be where the Raiders excelled… Not so… It’s been frustrating … I thought they may have turned it around in duribg the Falcons game… Nope…Sunday the defense needs to play a full 60 to have a chance…. I believe Palmer will put some points up… Just hope he can put enough up..
November 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
If the ZBS is going to take a while to implement, regardless of who is on the coaching staff next year, a top flight WR would be the best pick up for th offense. We’d get value out of a proven player who can get separation, which would make the WR corps better as a unit and also take pressure off of the running game.
It may seem a little backwards, but until the running game clicks I think that’s what we should do; take the pressure off it by letting Palmer throw it down the field. He may not be elite, but I think he’s got enough in him to run a pass first offense as long as there’s a solid #1 receiver on the field.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
One last time Mistic.
Prove you know more then QB’s.
Tell me what you think of Taiwan. I know you have an opinion.
Share?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
November 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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Trolls has been fed over 2 years, i just recently got tired of his BS, tired of him celebrating Palmer’s losses , tired of his antics, he will be crushed on every point from now on
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this dude is delusional
you havnt crushed anything but your love doll
I havnt celebrated palmers losses only called him out for bad play when he deserves
I have also given credit for good play when he deserves
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so your saying its just a co-incidence we see you right away after the losses , not just once or twice but every single time we lost , you were right there … but after wins you usually appeared late night or on monday , all 3 times.. time you spent on blog was also decreased by days after wins compared to everyday after losses?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Papertiger,
If we get a top 10 pick, which seems possible. We will have our pick of the young studs coming out. although I think we should make defense a priority.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
If the ZBS is going to take a while to implement, regardless of who is on the coaching staff next year, a top flight WR would be the best pick up for th offense. We’d get value out of a proven player who can get separation, which would make the WR corps better as a unit and also take pressure off of the running game.
It may seem a little backwards, but until the running game clicks I think that’s what we should do; take the pressure off it by letting Palmer throw it down the field. He may not be elite, but I think he’s got enough in him to run a pass first offense as long as there’s a solid #1 receiver on the field.
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I think we got a team that can be pass first team , but we can’t be too successful with these receivers and this OL
November 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Palmer would need the right talent around him to be elite…. IMO the Raiders just dont have the talent yet…or they haven’t developed yet…. The Wr’s haven’t been much more than OK so far and the run games just isn’t there …
November 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
One last time Mistic.
Prove you know more then QB’s.
Tell me what you think of Taiwan. I know you have an opinion.
Share?
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i dont have to prove anything to you first of all.
second i already answered this
taiwan jones reminds me of gary anderson and lionell little train james or nap kaufman only more wiggle than nap
lightnig fast and quick as a cat, he packs more pop than he gets credit for
Tj gets into trouble trying to bounce every run and hit the home run on every carry, he has issues with ball security and durability. he should get 5-10 touches a game
November 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
If the ZBS is going to take a while to implement, regardless of who is on the coaching staff next year, a top flight WR would be the best pick up for th offense. We’d get value out of a proven player who can get separation, which would make the WR corps better as a unit and also take pressure off of the running game.
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Basically good sound thinking if you asked me.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
99,
Touché!
Those Bastards are/ were crazy, they are ruthless dictators, but who helped them gain power and rule countries? The people didn’t elect them.
You are right. Those dumb bastards deserve this treatment for the crap they did to their own people. I guess you are right. It is safer for Israel to have them but not Arabs. Arabs kill their own people, so imagine what they will do to their enemies? That makes sense.
Effin Sand Monkeys!
November 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Papertiger,
If we get a top 10 pick, which seems possible. We will have our pick of the young studs coming out. although I think we should make defense a priority.
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Completely agree with you a beast DE should be the pick in first round
November 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Madden… Agree… The Wr’s haven’t been any better than just Ok…. Still believe Moore can lay his way outta his slump
November 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
99
He fumbled alot in college too.
He is a very high strung guy. The dude can jump out of a swimming poll backwards for christs sake.
He gets caught up in the moment, like stage-fright.
He just needs to settle down and play football because he has the tools.
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E, I wasn’t aware of a fumbling issue at EWU, but I don’t doubt you for a moment when it comes to knowing TJ.
My concerns about Taiwan are his durability and pass blocking.
I have absolutely NO DOUBTS that if he can stay on the field the kid is electrifying and a game breaker.
Saw him return a punt against UNR that was breathtaking.
Know he can do it on the pro-level just based on the pre-season show he put on against N.O. 2 years ago.
Really looking forward to seeing him play Sunday. Ain’t much else to look forward to this year.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
fingers Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Palmer would need the right talent around him to be elite…. IMO the Raiders just dont have the talent yet…or they haven’t developed yet…. The Wr’s haven’t been much more than OK so far and the run games just isn’t there …
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I been telling these fools , that we don’t have # 1 receiver on the list , we don’t even have a # 2 receiver either.. we got a bunch of guys with speed who can beat the guys on deep throws once in a while or on drag routes, but when the going gets tough and we need a TD in crunch time, we need those guys who will run the right routes and pick up first downs
November 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
243-yes he is.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Little Train James from SD. I hated that dude. He tore us up a few times.
BTW, I wasn’t saying “prove it” in a challenging or agressive type of tone.
I just want to steer the blog in a different direction.
We don’t play Cam, RGIII, or Wilson this season, unless it’s in the SB lol.
SO F*CK THEM….
November 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
November 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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Trolls has been fed over 2 years, i just recently got tired of his BS, tired of him celebrating Palmer’s losses , tired of his antics, he will be crushed on every point from now on
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this dude is delusional
you havnt crushed anything but your love doll
I havnt celebrated palmers losses only called him out for bad play when he deserves
I have also given credit for good play when he deserves
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so your saying its just a co-incidence we see you right away after the losses , not just once or twice but every single time we lost , you were right there … but after wins you usually appeared late night or on monday , all 3 times.. time you spent on blog was also decreased by days after wins compared to everyday after losses?
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now you are really going of the rails macbutthole
are you saying i can only post according to the schedule YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE??!?!?
Unlike you basement dweller, i have a life outside of this forum, i pots what i want when i want.
beat it scrub
November 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Mistic is a piece of racist sh1t and a strsight up liar. He deserves no attention.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Little Train James from SD. I hated that dude. He tore us up a few times.
BTW, I wasn’t saying “prove it” in a challenging or agressive type of tone.
I just want to steer the blog in a different direction.
We don’t play Cam, RGIII, or Wilson this season, unless it’s in the SB lol.
SO F*CK THEM….
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fair enough, i agree one or two post about players on other teams is fine with me and it doesnt need to be an all day affair
we do have cam on the schedule
November 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Then why do you guys give it to him?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
A possession reciever … Yep… A chain mover … Raiders need one..don’t have that hands guy right now..
November 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
November 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
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Trolls has been fed over 2 years, i just recently got tired of his BS, tired of him celebrating Palmer’s losses , tired of his antics, he will be crushed on every point from now on
======
this dude is delusional
you havnt crushed anything but your love doll
I havnt celebrated palmers losses only called him out for bad play when he deserves
I have also given credit for good play when he deserves
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so your saying its just a co-incidence we see you right away after the losses , not just once or twice but every single time we lost , you were right there … but after wins you usually appeared late night or on monday , all 3 times.. time you spent on blog was also decreased by days after wins compared to everyday after losses?
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now you are really going of the rails macbutthole
are you saying i can only post according to the schedule YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE??!?!?
Unlike you basement dweller, i have a life outside of this forum, i pots what i want when i want.
beat it scrub
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So it’s a co-incidence you have nothing to do after the days we lose ? we see you all the days and all of a sudden you’re partying in vegas after wins ? that we barely see you just 1 day
November 9th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
A worm who bends everything to his agenda, ignores facts, and then calls everyone else racist. I think mistic, beeech, and Sullivan are the same. They have the same way of constantly belabor inch a point and never admitting or addressing their lies.
Just pathetic pieces of garbage.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
99,
Jordan did kill Palestinians and imprisoned them (including my grandfather), but not more than Israel.
You made your point, don’t exaggerate, so I can continue to enjoy our debates.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Mistic is a piece of racist sh1t and a strsight up liar. He deserves no attention
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you call me racist but i have yet to see anything that proves this. not a single post.
you on the other hand just said “black crime” is scarier for law enforcement and neighborhood watch vigilantes and is an acceptable excuse for murder in cold blood.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Fingers we sure do.Criner and Streater both can fit that bill with more experience.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Raider O Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
99,
Do you live in Israel?
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No, O.
Have never been to the Holy Land.
I thought you knew I live in Reno.
Born in Brooklyn. Lived for a while in the Valley in L.A.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
So when Palmer wins , you come here on sunday or Monday and give him a little back handed compliment and become MIA rest of the week
when Palmer lose , you’re here everyday , talking about his shortcomings
hmmmmm
sounds like some one is hoping Palmer lose again next sunday
November 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Lefty… I agree… But line you’re saying.. They aren’t there yet…..I think Streaters gonna be a good one too
November 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I think it’s racist that they fired Mike Brown! no golden haired hero’s like Jerry Sloan who haven’t even been to the finals!
November 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Your right 99,
Taiwan is a small 6ft, 200lber. He was injured a couple times in college.
Hamstring and metatarsal in the foot. He is the first dude to declare for the draft before playing out his college eligibility at EWU.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
oh wait sloan has been to the finals, i retract that statement
November 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
fingers Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Lefty… I agree… But line you’re saying.. They aren’t there yet…..I think Streaters gonna be a good one too
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I believe Streater got potential to be a go to guy on every pass play and be one of the best receiver in the league next year
November 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
November 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
—-
Trolls has been fed over 2 years, i just recently got tired of his BS, tired of him celebrating Palmer’s losses , tired of his antics, he will be crushed on every point from now on
======
this dude is delusional
you havnt crushed anything but your love doll
I havnt celebrated palmers losses only called him out for bad play when he deserves
I have also given credit for good play when he deserves
—-
so your saying its just a co-incidence we see you right away after the losses , not just once or twice but every single time we lost , you were right there … but after wins you usually appeared late night or on monday , all 3 times.. time you spent on blog was also decreased by days after wins compared to everyday after losses?
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now you are really going of the rails macbutthole
are you saying i can only post according to the schedule YOU DEEM APPROPRIATE??!?!?
Unlike you basement dweller, i have a life outside of this forum, i pots what i want when i want.
beat it scrub
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So it’s a co-incidence you have nothing to do after the days we lose ? we see you all the days and all of a sudden you’re partying in vegas after wins ? that we barely see you just 1 day
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are you a stalker? or just a loser with no life
I always have something to do, i post when i want to
November 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
The Raiders can use the rest of this years trying to develope a couple those young WRs … Get’m going …
November 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
fair enough, i agree one or two post about players on other teams is fine with me and it doesnt need to be an all day affair
we do have cam on the schedule
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My bad, I hope we slap the sh*t outta him.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
I still haven’t given up on Moore…. Still think he’s gonna play his way outta his slump
November 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
So when Palmer wins , you come here on sunday or Monday and give him a little back handed compliment and become MIA rest of the week
when Palmer lose , you’re here everyday , talking about his shortcomings
hmmmmm
sounds like some one is hoping Palmer lose again next sunday
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macidiot20
you may not be aware but you are a nobody
you dont mandate posting shcedules or quotas on the amounts of post.
you are out of your tree macnutcase
November 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Wow mistic… hats off. They are obsessed with you.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
So it’s a co-incidence you have nothing to do after the days we lose ? we see you all the days and all of a sudden you’re partying in vegas after wins ? that we barely see you just 1 day
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are you a stalker? or just a loser with no life
I always have something to do, i post when i want to
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How do you always have something to do ? your all over every post when he loses and we have lost 6 games, i can pull out each and every one of Cork’s posts after losses and you would appear on them , bashing Palmer left and right, he’s the only 1 to blame blah blah…. you apparently have something to do after we win and happened only 3 times, most we see you is late night sunday ,or monday and you go MIA after your back handed compliment and talking about how the rest of the team stepped up , blah blah blah,
November 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
What about a Pryor vs. Cam QB duel, Mistic.
Who you gonna take?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Lol….
November 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
In my opinion this team is an injured long snapper, a defensive stop, and in interception in the 4th quarter with 2 minutes left from being 6-2…
November 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
99,
I didnt know that. You know ME’s history, and I enjoy our debates.
I was there 29+ years ago, but I don’t remember much. My wife lived there for a few months during the gulf war (her patents lived in Kuwait at that time), and she wants to go there (we both have a lot of family there), but I don’t think it’s a good idea.
I’m from Arara and she is from Shuafat.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
fair enough, i agree one or two post about players on other teams is fine with me and it doesnt need to be an all day affair
we do have cam on the schedule
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My bad, I hope we slap the sh*t outta him.
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this is a winnable game for sure. carolina has a wr group that can give our dbs trouble. they have the running game with stewart willaims and cam, but the o line is in shambles and even worse than it was last year. cam does not have time to set his feet and he doent have a clean pocket to step into, very much like the eagle issue in philly, after losing thier best o line player and center kalil
I think the raiders will actually be able to get penetration with the dline and lb blitzes.
carolina has a god awful defense and palmer will pick them apart. The carolina d lne can generate pressure, but the secondary is equally bad as our own.
If the raiders can stop the panther run game ,and palmer can play with out too many mistakes the raiders could win this game
November 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
So it’s a co-incidence you have nothing to do after the days we lose ? we see you all the days and all of a sudden you’re partying in vegas after wins ? that we barely see you just 1 day
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are you a stalker? or just a loser with no life
I always have something to do, i post when i want to
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How do you always have something to do ?
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im not hooked on internet porn and spank mags like you macbiggot
November 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Parents*
November 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
So when Palmer wins , you come here on sunday or Monday and give him a little back handed compliment and become MIA rest of the week
when Palmer lose , you’re here everyday , talking about his shortcomings
hmmmmm
sounds like some one is hoping Palmer lose again next sunday
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macidiot20
you may not be aware but you are a nobody
you dont mandate posting shcedules or quotas on the amounts of post.
you are out of your tree macnutcase
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Ok Mistake my bad i guess it’s just co-incidence that you only had something to do when Palmer won , and nothing to do the 6 weeks he lost the games, in which you were each and every day talking about Palmer , i guess not much to talk about Palmer after wins? or not much to get excited about to post in here ?i don’t know , Ok we believe you don’t want Palmer to fail , you want him to win so bad , that’s why your his worst critic after losses LMAO
November 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Grim… True… Except the defense is a little more questionable than just a stop here or there…. The Donks and Buc’s just ran allover the D
November 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
The Raiders have been close for a few yrs… Two back to back 8/8 seasons
November 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
What about a Pryor vs. Cam QB duel, Mistic.
Who you gonna take?
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depending on what kind of offense the raiders play with pryor this would LOTS OF FUN TO WATCH.
I think cam has an edge on pryor he is a better passer at this stage, and has a full year and a a half as an nfl starting qb
November 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Tell you what, if TJ busts a couple of runs and performs well Sunday, it’s going to reinforce my belief that Tits and Krapp aren’t utilizing the roster to maximum effectiveness.
Not only have T&K not put the players in the best position to excel, they simply won’t even give them a chance to play.
Think Reece was underutilized in the passing game until DMAC went down last week (yeah I know JFB has stats saying otherwise). Don’t understand why Ausberry hasn’t been targeted at all.
Most of all, I can’t believe TP hasn’t even been ACTIVATED for a single freaking game.
Any OC worth his salt could have put a wildcat formation in with TP and DMAC that would be tough to defense.
At the very least, put it on film and give the opposition something to prepare for.
Gregg Krapp can kiss my azz.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
So Mistic why exactly is Car struggling to win games again this year?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
So when Palmer wins , you come here on sunday or Monday and give him a little back handed compliment and become MIA rest of the week
when Palmer lose , you’re here everyday , talking about his shortcomings
hmmmmm
sounds like some one is hoping Palmer lose again next sunday
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macidiot20
you may not be aware but you are a nobody
you dont mandate posting shcedules or quotas on the amounts of post.
you are out of your tree macnutcase
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Ok Mistake my bad i guess it’s just co-incidence that you only had something to do when Palmer won , and nothing to do the 6 weeks he lost the games, in which you were each and every day talking about Palmer , i guess not much to talk about Palmer after wins?
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i stop by this blog often, if you are stalking me and trying to pin point proof of some sort of weird posting schedule you will need to show proof, if not your just making things up
racist troll get lost
November 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I think its good that DA made the team practice in pads this week for a refresher course in tackling. lol
November 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I’m hoping after Sundays game we can say we have a new weapon in TJ…… Never know… Different players do different things ..
November 9th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Yep… Tacklings been pizz poor
November 9th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
So Mistic why exactly is Car struggling to win games again this year?
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I believe he said the White Man…
November 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
So when Palmer wins , you come here on sunday or Monday and give him a little back handed compliment and become MIA rest of the week
when Palmer lose , you’re here everyday , talking about his shortcomings
hmmmmm
sounds like some one is hoping Palmer lose again next sunday
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macidiot20
you may not be aware but you are a nobody
you dont mandate posting shcedules or quotas on the amounts of post.
you are out of your tree macnutcase
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Ok Mistake my bad i guess it’s just co-incidence that you only had something to do when Palmer won , and nothing to do the 6 weeks he lost the games, in which you were each and every day talking about Palmer , i guess not much to talk about Palmer after wins?
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i stop by this blog often, if you are stalking me and trying to pin point proof of some sort of weird posting schedule you will need to show proof, if not your just making things up
racist troll get lost
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I’m sorry i don’t have energy to do 1 thing all day to come up with some proof like you have energy to talk about 1 thing all day long, but guys are always wondering about you after the wins , where is mistic , haven’t seen him lately , wish he was here , we can celebrate with him… then when we lost ,, 5 times, you’re here on every single post, and guys are calling right after the game , here comes mistic, and you pop up on here right away
November 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
So Mistic why exactly is Car struggling to win games again this year?
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I believe he said the White Man…
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more disgusting race baiting
i have never said anything like that
you people are sick, out numbered by race obsessed losers
November 9th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Mistic,
I hate to say it, but I fear Cam will expose the empty middle of the field every time he sees pressure.
We have seen what a mobile QB can do to this defense. Hell, QB’s not considered to be mobile exploit our Defense on scrambles in the middle of the field.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
So Mistic what’s your assesment of Car team , why are they struggling to win?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:41 p
i stop by this blog often, if you are stalking me and trying to pin point proof of some sort of weird posting schedule you will need to show proof, if not your just making things up
racist troll get lost
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I’m sorry i don’t have energy to do 1 thing all day to come up with some proof like you have energy to talk about 1 thing all day long, but guys are always wondering about you after the wins , where is mistic , haven’t seen him lately , wish he was here , we can celebrate with him… then when we lost ,, 5 times, you’re here on every single post, and guys are calling right after the game , here comes mistic, and you pop up on here right away
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but you have time to make unfounded accusations all day?
Ill correct you, you dont have any proof because therE is none.
NEXT
November 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Waiting to talk football?
Not race, black QB’s, Mistic’s blogging preference, etc.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Im interested to see what Taiwan does. Who knows, he might have the speed and agility to make this run scheme work.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
He has the tools, Grim. They ran ZBS at EWU.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Think we start to see some 3-4 now that currys back?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Mistic,
I hate to say it, but I fear Cam will expose the empty middle of the field every time he sees pressure.
We have seen what a mobile QB can do to this defense. Hell, QB’s not considered to be mobile exploit our Defense on scrambles in the middle of the field.
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ITS possible but from what i have seen of the panthers they are soft in the middle of the line. pressure often comes right up the gut this will force cam outside.
It wont be like freeman who gashed us up the middle while pressure came from the ends
im sure the raider coaches are smart enough to see the glaring weeakness in the middle of the line and copy what other teams have done sending the heat right where the line is most vulnerable
November 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I hope Palmer plays better defense this sunday. Needs to get his tackle on too…
November 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
It’s Friday and I usually post my score for the game… Here goes
Raiders 27…. Ravens 23…….
Wishfully hoping they can pull it off…
Go Raiders……
November 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I’m hoping we do, Hair. I think McClain needs Curry next to him to cover the gap he over shoots.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
@312: who plays nose?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:41 p
i stop by this blog often, if you are stalking me and trying to pin point proof of some sort of weird posting schedule you will need to show proof, if not your just making things up
racist troll get lost
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I’m sorry i don’t have energy to do 1 thing all day to come up with some proof like you have energy to talk about 1 thing all day long, but guys are always wondering about you after the wins , where is mistic , haven’t seen him lately , wish he was here , we can celebrate with him… then when we lost ,, 5 times, you’re here on every single post, and guys are calling right after the game , here comes mistic, and you pop up on here right away
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but you have time to make unfounded accusations all day?
Ill correct you, you dont have any proof because therE is none.
NEXT
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HAHAHAH, but do you agree you love to Bash Palmer more compared to Complimenting him?
November 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Janos the one who cracks me up when he tries for a tackle… Funny..
November 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I’m still waiting for your assessment of Car’s Season
November 9th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
GRIM Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Im interested to see what Taiwan does. Who knows, he might have the speed and agility to make this run scheme work.
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Same here. I fear he will be fumbling though.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
O, you might be surprised to hear this, but one of the longest relationships I ever had was with an Arab woman.
She was half Iraqi, half Lebanese. She lived in Beirut as a little girl and would always get depressed when she saw what was happening to the ‘Paris of the ME’.
Besides her Iraqi father (who I’m certain was a CIA agent) her family was always extremely kind to me and very caring, giving people.
Plus her grandmother made the best Baklava I ever had. Stuffed grape leaves. Schwarma. Falafel. Pita breads. Lamb.
Some great cuisine. Almost made it worthwhile putting up with my crazy Arab GF.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
305.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
So Mistic why exactly is Car struggling to win games again this year?
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I believe he said the White Man…
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more disgusting race baiting
i have never said anything like that
you people are sick, out numbered by race obsessed losers
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Really, I thought you blamed the offensive line? Composed starters are 3 white men? Must be a coincidence?
Does that mean we aren’t going to meet up for some grub at Red Lobster?
Your are too serious and sensitive, have some fun Mistic.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Who give a f*ck about Carolina’s season.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
If I thought for a nano-second that Pryor would give us a better chance to win football games I would be the first one to be calling for him to start.
Palmer is the only reason we aren’t 0-8 right now.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
317. Whoever..
November 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Its sink or swim time for TJ.
Id also like to see the 3-4 with Burris, McClain, Curry, and Wheeler all on the feild at once.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Palmer is obviously the QB until further notice.
Can we give this topic a rest, please.
November 9th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Marks hair Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Think we start to see some 3-4 now that currys back?
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i would be for it
we dont have the press cover guys any longer on the back end so we need a more flexible base defense for creating pressure
the 3-4 would be good in this regard
also i think curry burris and wheeler would provide excellent speed and yes romac could work in smaller space come down hill in run support or pass pressure
November 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Now when Mistake is about to be exposed even further all of a sudden he starts talking about different topics, which he only talks about once in a blue moon
November 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
It would free up McClain on the blitz which is his best suit.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
dutch in light of what has happened here over the last two days, that was in poor taste
November 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Mcfadden20,
I tried and successfully steered this ship in a different direction.
Hop aboard or swim with with the sharks, my man.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Nothing have happened in last two days , you don’t even got proof that any body is racist in here Mistic, stop going by 1 comment i made to get you to shut up about black qb’s or stop calling everybody racist because this idiot fangs guy
November 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
If tiwan is put in there to block, cp3 or tj himself will get hurt…
November 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Mcfadden20,
I tried and successfully steered this ship in a different direction.
Hop aboard or swim with with the sharks, my man.
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LOL i know man but the thing is this guy will be here back again ,in an hour or tomorrow , he won’t shutup until he’s fully exposed for who he really is
November 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
I think TJs fumble problem comes from nerves from being in the big leagues. Well at least im hoping. Hopefully he’ll get a few runs in and get calmed down. His fumble in the first game wasnt really all his fault. Reeces pitch was way off.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
Quick Hit and I’m out.
McFadden20 is Palmers mom and Mystic is a Player agent, specializing in “Wave of the Future” QB’s.
Let it go Fellas.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Nothing have happened in last two days , you don’t even got proof that any body is racist in here Mistic,
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“black qb’s suck they can only win with a runing game’
macbiggot 20 from yesterday
macbiggot this is proof of your backward race hate
besides anybody can go to yetsrdays threads and see the trash that was ll over this board, including hijacked handles and cross posted hate.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Got a bad feeling about TJ running in the middle
November 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Missdick–every post u make proves ur a racist.
And ur a cock sucking piece of sh1t liar. I never said black crime was scarier for law enforcement u pig. I said white suburbanites are scared of black men cuz of the high black crime rate. Sometimes irrationally so but it’s still the truth.
I never said it was an excuse for murder u lying piece human garbage. That’s not what happened in the Martin case and u know it. The guy didn’t kill him in cold blood and figured he coul get away with it. He may have overreacted due to his fear of black men and did something he wouldn’t have done if the kid was white.
But ur a race baiting idiot exactly like Elijah Muhammad was. And that garbage waste killed his own people for not agreeing.
Ur trash.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
329&331. My thoughts exactly.. And i think a little 3-4 might provide some more smoke to our smoke & mirrors D.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Allen/Knapp say that they’ll use Taiwan and Reece for their strengths. Ie, Reece between the tackles, Taiwan off-tackle and sweeps. I hope they aren’t going to be that predictable otherwise the running game will be easily snuffed out. Every time the Ravens see Taiwan in the backfield, they’ll spread the line out and sniff out the toss sweep. Etc.
Tho it’ll also be good they wont get Taiwan killed just running the ball constantly between the tackles.
Taiwan has the explosiveness like that play in pre-season, when he got trapped behind the LOS and put the jets on from a dead stop to gain 14 yards on the outside tho 3 defenders were right on top of him.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
332.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
dutch in light of what has happened here over the last two days, that was in poor taste
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True, I am sorry. I know you would not have said somthing like that. But in reality it is true, the offensive line is not doing it’s job in Carolina. I thought Carolina would have a great running game with those three backs.
Riveria (sic) even said they were going to run the ball a lot this year, they just can’t.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Dr. Robert,
Take that bullsh*t somewhere else.
Talk Raiders football or leave.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
still dont uinderstand why “wave of the future” is so upsetting for people here
is it because i mentioned qbs that happen to have black skin?
WOULD ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM IF I SAID RORY MACLEROY IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE IN GOLF?
So then why is the qb thing so unsettling
hmmm i have an idea
November 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Nothing have happened in last two days , you don’t even got proof that any body is racist in here Mistic,
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“black qb’s suck they can only win with a runing game’
macbiggot 20 from yesterday
macbiggot this is proof of your backward race hate
besides anybody can go to yetsrdays threads and see the trash that was ll over this board, including hijacked handles and cross posted hate.
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One comment does not prove anything, give me more than that , people always say stuff to shut people up , which you need to stfu about other black qb’s already , and enjoy that we have the best qb since Gannon
November 9th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Taiwan is 6′ and weighs 200lbs. so he should be big enough for at least a chip shot in blocking situations.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
still dont uinderstand why “wave of the future” is so upsetting for people here
is it because i mentioned qbs that happen to have black skin?
WOULD ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM IF I SAID RORY MACLEROY IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE IN GOLF?
So then why is the qb thing so unsettling
hmmm i have an idea
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We don’t care as long as you admit Palmer >> JC
November 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
LOL 99.
I know what you are saying. I married a crazy Arab woman. She is nuts, but she can cook.
It used to be Paris of the ME. It is a very nice place, but not the same.
Maybe her father and Dakota worked together.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Taiwan is a small 6ft, 200lbs. Grim. I have stood next to him at 6ft. 2″, 240lbs.
He is kinda small for his size.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
You can like and love all the black qb’s you want and hate Palmer all you want, just don’t let that block your rational thinking , just admit Palmer >> JC
November 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Taiwan is a small 6ft, 200lbs. Grim. I have stood next to him at 6ft. 2″, 240lbs.
He is kinda small for his size.
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yeah if he was like couple or 3 inches shorter , he would have been fine with that weight
November 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Im excited to see a little dump off pass to TW and see what he does in open space. That will be something to see.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Chillin in the atl airport havin some vodka tonic with some cougs sittin next to me at the bar…on my way to DC for the week on business…with Baltimore 2 hours away still considering going to the game….however not sure I want to watch taiwan in action…I have a bad feeling this game might be as ugly as the green bay game last year
November 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Mistic,
If Palmer can take us to the playoffs this year? The trade is validated.
We both know this.
Nuff said.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Have the Raids used any double back formations at all this year ?
Seems to me like it’s always been single back or empty backfield.
Drives me crazy when we’re in the red zone and Krapp keeps lining up with an empty backfield. Not even a threat of a run to keep the LB’s honest and from dropping into coverage.
I can remember when we used to critique and complain about Reece’s lead blocking.
Don’t have to worry about that anymore. We simply don’t use lead blocking anymore.
Might have something to do with why we can’t run the ball for sht.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Isn’t Chris Johnson of Ten same size as T Jones
November 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Taiwan is just an accident waiting to happen….one fumble away from the arena league
November 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I’d like to make a request;
Could Mistic and his tormentors please exchange email addresses or something and take their little quarrel someplace else?
It’s just really tiresome reading the same old crap (or scrolling past 75% of the posts trying to avoid same).
Either give it a rest or take it someplace else, please.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Fuk off raider e. mind ur own bizness dick head.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Taiwan is a good reciever out of the backfield as well.
Get him in space and watch out. The boy don’t quit on a play, sometimes its not a good thing though.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Macfadden 20
Come on Dawg!
OK man , sorry about that, he’s officially on the ignore list
That lasted about 2 minutes. IGNORE him you are making yourself look stupid by keeping the arguing up.
COME ON MAN!!!!
!
November 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Mistic,
If Palmer can take us to the playoffs this year? The trade is validated.
We both know this.
Nuff said.
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Trade was validated by his week 17 game last year, i don’t care what people say , he put his sh1t on line and carried that team , the D didn’t pull out their heads out of their asses that day, they decided to save the worst for the last game in a historically bad season for the D
November 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Good Day, Dr. Robert.
You ain’t sh*t, bro.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Missdick is what his moniker says. The villain. A vile piece of garbage. Attack him morons.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Chris Johnson is 5-11 191lbs. so pretty close.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Raider e–I know more about the game and post more insight on this blog than u could dream. So suck it.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Macfadden 20
Come on Dawg!
OK man , sorry about that, he’s officially on the ignore list
That lasted about 2 minutes. IGNORE him you are making yourself look stupid by keeping the arguing up.
COME ON MAN!!!!
!
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But i want to get rid of this annoying piece of sh1t ,before sundays game, he will be here all over the blog on sunday if we lose , just watch , he won’t leave until he’s exposed for being the racist he is , and a hypocrite
November 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Missdick–every post u make proves ur a racist.
And ur a cock sucking piece of sh1t liar. I never said black crime was scarier for law enforcement u pig. I said white suburbanites are scared of black men cuz of the high black crime rate
………..
“killings come from deep Seated fear of black crime”
are thesE not your words?
why distinguish “black crime”, how does that justify murder
dr quack………EXPOSED!!!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Taiwan will either prove to be Chris Johnson, larod howlings-stevens, or a RB version of Johnny lee Higgins.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
GRIM Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Chris Johnson is 5-11 191lbs. so pretty close.
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Yeah, same players pretty much , hopefully Taiwan can have the same vision as CJ
November 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
fOR ANYONE THAT WANTS ME TO CHANGE THE TOPIC, TELL YOU FELLOW POSTERS AND SO CALLED RAIDER FAN BRETHREN TO STOP ATTACKING BLACK PEOPLE OPENLY ON A SPORT BLOG.
I BELIEVE IN THE OLD AFRICAN CODE EYE FOR AN EYE AND TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.
IF I AM ATTACKED I WILL DEFEND MYSELF
November 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Be that as it may Dr. Robert. I will hold my ground in saying this is no place to denegrate a fellow Raider fan.
You gotta problem with that? Then give me your email and I will give you my address.
You can make your way up here to “talk” about it face to face.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Stick to football with him Dr. Robert, he’s little too insensitive about everything , so just stick to some thing he’s already insensitive about ,our Golden Haired Hero, who will be here for at least 3 more years
November 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Missdick–why distinguish black crime? Because I’m not a moron. It is a major piece of the case. And I never said it justified murder.
U show by trying to twist everything around that u are a deceitful piece if garbage. A liar pure and simple. Now fuk off u waste if time.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
346.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
still dont uinderstand why “wave of the future” is so upsetting for people here
is it because i mentioned qbs that happen to have black skin?
WOULD ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM IF I SAID RORY MACLEROY IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE IN GOLF?
So then why is the qb thing so unsettling
hmmm i have an idea
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It has the ring of “eugenics.” That they are “superior,” based on their genetic makeup. Also, wave of the future has its origin in praise of the Nazi third Reich. I know you probably didn’t know this, but it is a little unsettling.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
fOR ANYONE THAT WANTS ME TO CHANGE THE TOPIC, TELL YOU FELLOW POSTERS AND SO CALLED RAIDER FAN BRETHREN TO STOP ATTACKING BLACK PEOPLE OPENLY ON A SPORT BLOG.
I BELIEVE IN THE OLD AFRICAN CODE EYE FOR AN EYE AND TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.
IF I AM ATTACKED I WILL DEFEND MYSELF
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Who attacked black people ?
November 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
One area knapp has not explored from his WCO-days/knowledge is the lack of use of the Split-Back formation.
With Reece and Taiwan back there, they can keep defenses guessing a little. Rush either on a quick toss, set up screens to either, rush either up the middle, or motion one out (reece) and from that there’s a few more options too.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Mistic,
If Palmer can take us to the playoffs this year? The trade is validated.
We both know this.
Nuff said.
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LOL I strongly disagree with that notion
hu jack brought him here and gave up that ungodly ransom for super bowls nothing less
i doubt highly we will be in the playoffs this year just as last year and the super bowl is certainly out of the question
November 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
U brought it all in urself missdick. And we aren’t allowed to attack u cuz ur black? Ur a moronic piece of lying garbage.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Missdick–why distinguish black crime? Because I’m not a moron. It is a major piece of the case. And I never said it justified murder.
U show by trying to twist everything around that u are a deceitful piece if garbage. A liar pure and simple. Now fuk off u waste if time.
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Stick with football with little insensitive Mistake
November 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
fOR ANYONE THAT WANTS ME TO CHANGE THE TOPIC, TELL YOU FELLOW POSTERS AND SO CALLED RAIDER FAN BRETHREN TO STOP ATTACKING BLACK PEOPLE OPENLY ON A SPORT BLOG.
I BELIEVE IN THE OLD AFRICAN CODE EYE FOR AN EYE AND TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.
IF I AM ATTACKED I WILL DEFEND MYSELF
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Who attacked black people ?
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you did macbiggot
“black qbs suck and they can only win with a running game”
your words not mine
racist pos
November 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Raider e–he’s not a raider fan. He’s a fan only of blacks. He hates whites. And buddy u don’t to “talk face to face” with me I can assure u.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
346.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
still dont uinderstand why “wave of the future” is so upsetting for people here
is it because i mentioned qbs that happen to have black skin?
WOULD ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM IF I SAID RORY MACLEROY IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE IN GOLF?
So then why is the qb thing so unsettling
hmmm i have an idea
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It has the ring of “eugenics.” That they are “superior,” based on their genetic makeup.
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but i have never made that claim
November 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Mistic,
If Palmer can take us to the playoffs this year? The trade is validated.
We both know this.
Nuff said.
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LOL I strongly disagree with that notion
hu jack brought him here and gave up that ungodly ransom for super bowls nothing less
i doubt highly we will be in the playoffs this year just as last year and the super bowl is certainly out of the question
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Palmer >>> JC , Well worth the 1st rd and 2nd round pick which isn’t even till next season but keep crying like that pick is costing us wins this year
November 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Post the email, Rob.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Raider E Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Taiwan is a good reciever out of the backfield as well.
Get him in space and watch out. The boy don’t quit on a play, sometimes its not a good thing though.
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Yup, that’s something I’ve noticed as well. Taiwan will continue to struggle when there’s nothing to be gained. Has yet to learn that sometimes discretion is the better part of valor.
TJ needs to get down when the play is over. Setting himself up to get stripped or injured.
Live to fight another play, young man.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Missdick can’t handle that our record setting golden haired hero is making him look like a know-nothing grade school flunkie.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Enough Palmer talk already….its not like the trade was made in the offseason with enough time to evaluate things and have multiple meetings. This is a trade that transpired in the midst of a an owner’s death…in the midst of a JC going down midseason with a team lead by a rookie HC in the middle of a playoff run. Not to mention Kyle efffin Boller was your backup. What the hell else are you supposed to do under those circumstances…jeeeez. Get over it. There is no need to validate the trade. It happened under extremely unusual circumstances. All bets are off. Be happy that you have a QB that can make all the throws. There are at least 15 teams right now that would love to have CP3 as their QB right now.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
BTW, I love all people Rob. I’m Mexican, my girl is a bi-sexual white girl with a black homey.
If you can follow?
Your a B*TCH….
November 9th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
U post urs raider e
November 9th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
mcfadden20. Says
But i want to get rid of this annoying piece of sh1t ,before sundays game, he will be here all over the blog on sunday if we lose , just watch , he won’t leave until he’s exposed for being the racist he is , and a hypocrite
U R wasting your time and bringing the whole blog down. You have some good football takes just stick with them.
I am begging you on behalf of the whole blog and R Nation..
November 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
If Reggie/Dennis are listening to the NFL buzz…
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People close to Oregon’s Chip Kelly think he’s heading to the NFL
Posted by Michael David Smith on November 9, 2012, 7:14 PM EST
Oregon coach Chip Kelly has his eye on the NFL and wants to see if his brand of football can work at the next level, according to people who know him well.
Former Oregon coach Mike Bellotti, who hired Kelly as his offensive coordinator in 2007 and then promoted Kelly to head coach when he became Oregon’s athletic director, says Kelly is an NFL coach in the making. In fact, Bellotti expected Kelly to leave in January, when the Tampa Bay Buccaneers offered him their head-coaching job. Kelly considered it but ultimately turned down the Bucs, who hired Greg Schiano.
“It’s just inevitable that he will eventually be in the NFL,” Bellotti told Dennis Dodd of CBS. “Chip is one of the ultimate competitors and he sees that. It actually surprised me he changed his mind [with the Bucs] last year. Whether they get to the national championship and whether they win the national championship, I don’t know. To think he’ll stay there when ultimately his idea of top jobs is to get to the Super Bowl, it won’t happen, unfortunately, at the college level.”
Oregon is currently undefeated, and a source close to Kelly who didn’t want to be identified told Dodd that if the Ducks win the national championship, Kelly will have accomplished everything he wants to accomplish in college football, and will turn his attention to the NFL.
“There are nine chances in 10 if he wins out [this season] he’s gone,” the source said.
When NFL teams have hired college coaches, they’ve generally gone with more conventional choices like Schiano, Pete Carroll and Jim Harbaugh, all of whom had prior NFL experience and were planning to run more or less standard NFL systems. But Kelly has no NFL experience, and he’s a different breed of football coach, the kind of coach the NFL has never seen.
Although NFL teams have employed spread offense concepts, no NFL team has ever employed a spread attack like Kelly’s as its primary offensive system. And what makes Kelly different goes far beyond the offense: Kelly goes for it on fourth down at times when no NFL coach would, he goes for two-point conversions at times when no NFL coach would, and he has a completely different approach to playcalling than you’d ever see in the NFL. Kelly’s offense can be backed up at the 1-yard line, and he’ll have his quarterback drop deep into the end zone and chuck it 40 yards downfield. Or Kelly’s offense can be facing third-and-15, and he’ll call a handoff up the middle — and it works.
At least, it works in college. Would Kelly’s approach work in the NFL? Who knows. But it would be fun to see him try.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Missdick–why distinguish black crime? Because I’m not a moron. It is a major piece of the case. And I never said it justified murder.
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oscar grant and trayvonn martin had nothing to do with ‘black crime’ or any other crime for that matter. grant was a young family man and martin was an innocent teen.
There is no evidence that links either to any crime what so ever, the only common denominator is that they are black and their killers are white
sadly another example of amerikkkas hate for the black race and adds to the long list of killings of black youth at the hands of murderous race haters
November 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
fOR ANYONE THAT WANTS ME TO CHANGE THE TOPIC, TELL YOU FELLOW POSTERS AND SO CALLED RAIDER FAN BRETHREN TO STOP ATTACKING BLACK PEOPLE OPENLY ON A SPORT BLOG.
I BELIEVE IN THE OLD AFRICAN CODE EYE FOR AN EYE AND TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.
IF I AM ATTACKED I WILL DEFEND MYSELF
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Who attacked black people ?
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you did macbiggot
“black qbs suck and they can only win with a running game”
your words not mine
racist pos
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first of all that was 3 days ago and second your claim got no merit , got Mcfadden jersey , screen name made up after him, talked up Griffin many times , gave him the benefit of doubt for his team losing , even gave cam benefit of the doubt, and they don’t even play for my favorite team ..yet you always freaking degrading Palmer and putting every loss on him , even when our D allows 100 points , so if there is any one who’s racist and can be proven , it’s you
November 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Missdick can’t handle that our record setting golden haired hero is making him look like a know-nothing grade school flunkie.
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Can’t you find anything else to obsess on?
November 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
didn’t think so, Rob.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
It’s ridiculous to compare Campbell and Palmer. Campbell was a late first round project, Palmer a number one overall, a Heisman, and full of hype and glory.
Palmer’s career has to be and will be compared to the top-tiered qbs of his generation, and he will be at mediocre level at best. There is no hating Palmer, on my part, but it’s a fact he’s never billed up to the hype other than one or two years n Cincy. He is responsible in great part of the bungles tradition, a loser with a golden arm, a lot of yards a lot of losses. But hey, just like with the Raiders, it was rarely his fault, right? It was 8-5 or T.O., and to top it all off he bailed on the bungles with loot in hand.
Raiders fans hoped that maybe the Raiders would win more with Palmer than with Campbell, so far he hasn’t and Palmer is definitely not the upgrade to take the team to the playoffs, either. The 47 million he’s getting plus the 1 and 2 2s, still makes it a bad investment.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
i would love to see pryor / ej manual / geno smith running chip kelly’s offense in silver and black next year
November 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
You think that kelly sh*t would work in the NFL, Mistic?
November 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Missdick thinks he’s clever cuz he never comes out and says white people are bad and black people are good. But it’s everywhere in his posts and he knows it. Guys like him think they’re smart but he’s really upset about the state of his life and wants to find someone to blame. He’s pathetic. He has no sense of humor. And he’s been swindled by Elijah Muhammad’s bullsh1t anti-white rhetoric that most blacks can see is a pile of garbage, including Malcolm x.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
fOR ANYONE THAT WANTS ME TO CHANGE THE TOPIC, TELL YOU FELLOW POSTERS AND SO CALLED RAIDER FAN BRETHREN TO STOP ATTACKING BLACK PEOPLE OPENLY ON A SPORT BLOG.
I BELIEVE IN THE OLD AFRICAN CODE EYE FOR AN EYE AND TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.
IF I AM ATTACKED I WILL DEFEND MYSELF
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Who attacked black people ?
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you did macbiggot
“black qbs suck and they can only win with a running game”
your words not mine
racist pos
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first of all that was 3 days ago and second your claim got no merit , got Mcfadden jersey , screen name made up after him, talked up Griffin many times , gave him the benefit of doubt for his team losing , even gave cam benefit of the doubt, and they don’t even play for my favorite team ..yet you always freaking degrading Palmer and putting every loss on him , even when our D allows 100 points , so if there is any one who’s racist and can be proven , it’s you
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lol macidiot
as if you cant be a racist and a sports fan at the same time
this dude lunacy know no bounds
November 9th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
#400 and #401…
Kelly would tailor his system into the NFL, wouldn’t be all out college-ball trying to work inside the NFL. But concepts tweaked and adjusted.
So yes, I think it would work, especially with the amount of raw talent and speed we have at key offensive positions…
Pryor
McFadden-Taiwan
Reece
Ausberry
Moore-DHB-Ford-Streater
November 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Martin was killed by a scared white man that had seen too much black crime. It’s part of the case. Why would I have to explain something so simple? Ur just a hopeless idiot.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
LoL @ first of all that was 3 days ago
November 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
boss01 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Enough Palmer talk already….its not like the trade was made in the offseason with enough time to evaluate things and have multiple meetings. This is a trade that transpired in the midst of a an owner’s death…in the midst of a JC going down midseason with a team lead by a rookie HC in the middle of a playoff run. Not to mention Kyle efffin Boller was your backup. What the hell else are you supposed to do under those circumstances…jeeeez. Get over it. There is no need to validate the trade. It happened under extremely unusual circumstances. All bets are off. Be happy that you have a QB that can make all the throws. There are at least 15 teams right now that would love to have CP3 as their QB right now.
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It’s funny some people want to call Palmer out on his Int’s and talk up some marginal qb, who’s holding a clip board in chicago
JC 14 total TD’s and 15 total TO’s with training camp , offseason , pre-season in full season with Raiders
Palmer had 14 Td’s- 17 total turnovers , coming into team , without the benefit of getting rust out with pre-season ,training camp and learn playbook , getting on same page with receivers, with out Mcfadden
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
America’s hate for blacks? We voted in a black man for president. Twice. U fuxking piece of garbage.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We have been without Mcfadden for a full season and counting….
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
#400 and #401…
Kelly would tailor his system into the NFL, wouldn’t be all out college-ball trying to work inside the NFL. But concepts tweaked and adjusted.
So yes, I think it would work, especially with the amount of raw talent and speed we have at key offensive positions…
Pryor
McFadden-Taiwan
Reece
Ausberry
Moore-DHB-Ford-Streater
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this would be fun to watch and definitely sell tix
if the offense was successful it would laso help our putrid defense as we would have the ability to score in bunches and pressure the other team to keep up
do it yesterday big mack!!!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Only issue is, Im sure some NFL teams will offer Kelly a straight up HC gig. Tho Kelly would be better served cutting his teeth first for a couple years as an OC. Like Allen-Tarver-Kelly, and gives Reggie a chance to promote Kelly as HC if Allen fails.
But why would Kelly take an OC job for two years when he could accept a HC gig somewhere. Imo, many college coaches fail because they jump straight into the HC gig in their rookie year. If they took a couple years acclimating to the NFL first as a co-ordinator, then they’d have a higher success-rate.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
zopi Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
It’s ridiculous to compare Campbell and Palmer. Campbell was a late first round project, Palmer a number one overall, a Heisman, and full of hype and glory.
Palmer’s career has to be and will be compared to the top-tiered qbs of his generation, and he will be at mediocre level at best. There is no hating Palmer, on my part, but it’s a fact he’s never billed up to the hype other than one or two years n Cincy. He is responsible in great part of the bungles tradition, a loser with a golden arm, a lot of yards a lot of losses. But hey, just like with the Raiders, it was rarely his fault, right? It was 8-5 or T.O., and to top it all off he bailed on the bungles with loot in hand.
Raiders fans hoped that maybe the Raiders would win more with Palmer than with Campbell, so far he hasn’t and Palmer is definitely not the upgrade to take the team to the playoffs, either. The 47 million he’s getting plus the 1 and 2 2s, still makes it a bad investment.
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Ok , your post doesn’t merit any consideration after 47 million and 2 2nd picks
November 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Missdick the black supremacist
November 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
America’s hate for blacks? We voted in a black man for president. Twice. U fuxking piece of garbage.
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and?
i dont have to go any further than what has been posted on this board by you and others to find evidence of race hate for black in amerikkka
November 9th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Missdick isn’t smart enuff to understand the difference between college and pro football.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I don’t hate black people. I love black people. I think ur a putrid moron.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Only issue is, Im sure some NFL teams will offer Kelly a straight up HC gig. Tho Kelly would be better served cutting his teeth first for a couple years as an OC. Like Allen-Tarver-Kelly, and gives Reggie a chance to promote Kelly as HC if Allen fails.
But why would Kelly take an OC job for two years when he could accept a HC gig somewhere. Imo, many college coaches fail because they jump straight into the HC gig in their rookie year. If they took a couple years acclimating to the NFL first as a co-ordinator, then they’d have a higher success-rate.
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than fire da
kelly is a far better coach in my opinion
just as if gruden becomes available
fire da and make room
a 5-6 win season is not enough reason to hold on to a coach over other outstanding coaching propsects
November 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Name one post I made that shows racism u lying piece of garbage.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
zopi Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
It’s ridiculous to compare Campbell and Palmer. Campbell was a late first round project, Palmer a number one overall, a Heisman, and full of hype and glory.
Palmer’s career has to be and will be compared to the top-tiered qbs of his generation, and he will be at mediocre level at best. There is no hating Palmer, on my part, but it’s a fact he’s never billed up to the hype other than one or two years n Cincy.
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“This guy has kind of tortured me through all my college and professional career,” Suggs said in a conference call with Bay Area media Wednesday. “I’m very aware of the talent. I know he can make every throw. If you ask me, he’s very highly underrated. He’s definitely one of the premier quarterbacks in the league.”
Suggs said he doesn’t fear any quarterback, yet “I’m always worried when I play Carson Palmer.”
So, we can either listen to some guy commenting on a blog or believe some guy who actually has played against him at the highest levels who happens to be one of the best defenders in the National Football League. Personally, I have to go with Suggs here.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Marks hair Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
LoL @ first of all that was 3 days ago
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Yeah he’s crying over something i just said to make him mad 3 days ago , but not from my hate for black guys or anything , we wouldn’t even have most of these sports with out black guys, but he just keep bringing up the race stuff whenever he gets exposed in his Palmer arguements , watch him never get over it like he never got over us not signing JC
November 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
America’s hate for blacks? We voted in a black man for president. Twice. U fuxking piece of garbage.
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40% of the white vote for the “food stamp president”
November 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
The non-raider & personal insults talk is fun and interesting. But not 24/7. This blog is best when there’s a good balance/spread between all types of talk. It makes it harder to read this blog when there’s too much of the politics/religion/race/insults hundreds of posts consecutively. Y’all fix the ratio of the ingredients.
Please
Yes? No? Maybe?
November 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
If JC was so good he would be starting right now. I mean he is backing up Jay Cutler.
JC is not even as good as a rookie RGIII. He does not possess a great arm..doesnt have running ability…he cant even slide!!!!! He was brought to Oakland for what…a 3rd rounder? That tells you everything you need to know.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
zopi Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
It’s ridiculous to compare Campbell and Palmer. Campbell was a late first round project, Palmer a number one overall, a Heisman, and full of hype and glory.
Palmer’s career has to be and will be compared to the top-tiered qbs of his generation, and he will be at mediocre level at best. There is no hating Palmer, on my part, but it’s a fact he’s never billed up to the hype other than one or two years n Cincy.
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“This guy has kind of tortured me through all my college and professional career,” Suggs said in a conference call with Bay Area media Wednesday. “I’m very aware of the talent. I know he can make every throw. If you ask me, he’s very highly underrated. He’s definitely one of the premier quarterbacks in the league.”
Suggs said he doesn’t fear any quarterback, yet “I’m always worried when I play Carson Palmer.”
So, we can either listen to some guy commenting on a blog or believe some guy who actually has played against him at the highest levels who happens to be one of the best defenders in the National Football League. Personally, I have to go with Suggs here.
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Good reply to ignorant person
November 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
yes, please
November 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
boss01 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
If JC was so good he would be starting right now. I mean he is backing up Jay Cutler.
JC is not even as good as a rookie RGIII. He does not possess a great arm..doesnt have running ability…he cant even slide!!!!! He was brought to Oakland for what…a 3rd rounder? That tells you everything you need to know.
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For a 4th and the best part is the guy who traded him was the guy who’s 1 of the guys who hates Al D more than he loves his team, think that guy would give him to us for 4th if he believe JC was good
November 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Only issue is, Im sure some NFL teams will offer Kelly a straight up HC gig. Tho Kelly would be better served cutting his teeth first for a couple years as an OC. Like Allen-Tarver-Kelly, and gives Reggie a chance to promote Kelly as HC if Allen fails.
But why would Kelly take an OC job for two years when he could accept a HC gig somewhere. Imo, many college coaches fail because they jump straight into the HC gig in their rookie year. If they took a couple years acclimating to the NFL first as a co-ordinator, then they’d have a higher success-rate.
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than fire da
kelly is a far better coach in my opinion
just as if gruden becomes available
fire da and make room
a 5-6 win season is not enough reason to hold on to a coach over other outstanding coaching propsects
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Is it Reggie’s nature to double-back on his own decisions? And that quickly? Realistically, it wont happen. Best we can hope for is somehow we sweep Kelly off his feet and he wants to be a Raider OC first. Otherwise, it’ll be some desperate organization like the Panthers or Chiefs who make Kelly a HC offer ($$) he can’t refuse.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Nice job fellas
The entire world is impressed
November 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Mistic keep on bringing other stuff when he gets exposed for being a hypocrite all the times
November 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Rice needs to get the MJD treatment (and NOT the Hamster “treatment”) knock his @$$ into the locker room and early. Then go beat up JFlaccid.
Raiders – 27
Purplebirdies – 20
Have a good weekend peoples…
November 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
dr quack and macbuttnugget 20 have dragged this blog into filth
November 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
boss01 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
If JC was so good he would be starting right now. I mean he is backing up Jay Cutler.
JC is not even as good as a rookie RGIII. He does not possess a great arm..doesnt have running ability…he cant even slide!!!!! He was brought to Oakland for what…a 3rd rounder? That tells you everything you need to know.
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Honestly, I think it was a 4th rounder.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
LMAO AT Over reactioners you guys wanted a SB team , after the salary cap hell we were in with a first year head coach
November 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Ej and geno look pretty dam good
November 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
I’m in favor of any coaching change as long as it rids the Raids of Gregg Krapp.
Don’t care if we replace Tits with Rich Kotite, as long as Krapp is sent packing.
Can’t take anymore of Krapp. His offense is unwatchable.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
America’s hate for blacks? We voted in a black man for president. Twice. U fuxking piece of garbage.
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40% of the white vote for the “food stamp president”
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exactly kk
November 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
dr quack and macbuttnugget 20 have dragged this blog into filth
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we were arguing over football , you kept bringing other BS into it , keep playing the race card when ever you get exposed you f8kin hypocrite , st1ck with football and don’t run away and ask for help from your friends , even your black friends think you lost it for example eastoaklandraider
November 9th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
America’s hate for blacks? We voted in a black man for president. Twice. U fuxking piece of garbage.
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40% of the white vote for the “food stamp president”
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exactly kk
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gotta feed the people, there might be a Michael Oher out there.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Palmer is playing his part, the other team needs to step up , Seymour and Kelly need to repay Al D for all the money he gave them to , or they will be gone just like WImbley and Routt next year
November 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
I’m in favor of any coaching change as long as it rids the Raids of Gregg Krapp.
Don’t care if we replace Tits with Rich Kotite, as long as Krapp is sent packing.
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lol at rich kotite
if hu jack can win 8 games and post radier scoring records take us into firts place (with a healthy jc) and be swept out after one year
then i have no problem doing the same to to da after a miserable 5-6 win season
especially being that his specialty is defense and our defense has given up at least 22 points in 7 out of 8 games
not to mention the weekly 3rd quarter flop jobs
November 9th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
America’s hate for blacks? We voted in a black man for president. Twice. U fuxking piece of garbage.
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40% of the white vote for the “food stamp president”
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Back to the old “if u don’t vote for 0.bama you’re a racist” bullcrap.
Could it just possibly be that the 60% that didn’t vote for him lean toward republican party?
Of course they’re racist cuz they didn’t all of a sudden switch their political affiliation cuz 0.bama was in the race.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Mcfadden need to step up as well , or he will be traded for any s8cker who gives us a 1st rd pick for an IR guy
November 9th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Mcfadden20. Says: November 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pmboss01 Says:November 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pmIf JC was so good he would be starting right now. I mean he is backing up Jay Cutler.JC is not even as good as a rookie RGIII. He does not possess a great arm..doesnt have running ability…he cant even slide!!!!! He was brought to Oakland for what…a 3rd rounder? That tells you everything you need to know.—For a 4th and the best part is the guy who traded him was the guy who’s 1 of the guys who hates Al D more than he loves his team, think that guy would give him to us for 4th if he believe JC was good
There you go….a 4th rounder…I never had a problem with his skills…the guy was not a LEADER…he was just another guy…when Hue called him out….he thought of lame excuses unlike Palmer owning up like a man.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
I’m in favor of any coaching change as long as it rids the Raids of Gregg Krapp.
Don’t care if we replace Tits with Rich Kotite, as long as Krapp is sent packing.
Can’t take anymore of Krapp. His offense is unwatchable.
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Concur 100%
I loathe Knapp intensely. Sorry to those who like him. Can’t imagine any football aficionado actually liking/loving Knapp’s X&O’ing. Surely those who defend Knapp so much are just trying to grin and bear it, looking at the 2012 Raiders in a glass is half-full approach tho deep down their eyes are bleeding from watching a Knapp offense.
I like Allen, but he’s also the one who hired Knapp :p
I’d rather someone a little half-crazy. Like either college Kelly, Mike Leach etc.
November 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
You guys are just stupid , be calm DA was a hot candidate around the NFL , he would have been coach next year with somebody else, D was historically bad , you guys want to see some magic from that side with out any talent there
November 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
dr quack and macbuttnugget 20 have dragged this blog into filth
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we were arguing over football , you kept bringing other BS into it , keep playing the race card when ever you get exposed you f8kin hypocrite , st1ck with football and don’t run away and ask for help from your friends , even your black friends think you lost it for example eastoaklandraider
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i havnyt asked for anything from anybody
i dont know a single person on this board none are my friends
there are several posters that have intelligent football takes and are fun to debate even though we never agree
there is no such thing as playing a race card, anytime a black man can be shot and killed for the color of his skin race isnt a game for us.
shut the fugg up already
I hope i meet you one day then you can try your luck
mac jack off
November 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
The vast majority of whites in this country are not racist imo. Sure, there are some who still hold to archaic and wrong opinions and bias.
The the GOP was here long before a black man ran as the opponent, and they aren’t gonna all of a sudden switch parties so as to avoid being called racist.
Racism works both ways no matter what the excuse for being racist is.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Raider8 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
America’s hate for blacks? We voted in a black man for president. Twice. U fuxking piece of garbage.
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40% of the white vote for the “food stamp president”
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Back to the old “if u don’t vote for 0.bama you’re a racist” bullcrap.
Could it just possibly be that the 60% that didn’t vote for him lean toward republican party?
Of course they’re racist cuz they didn’t all of a sudden switch their political affiliation cuz 0.bama was in the race.
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nobody made that claim
this was in response to the notion that amerikkka hates black people and having a black president does nothing to disprove it
November 9th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I don’t think anybody likes Knapp in here , but we’re not that stupid either that we will just put the whole blame of team on 1 guy , ZBS needs time to work out, in the long run , it’s a good scheme , why do you think Houston is so good now? They just bring in any ZBS line men and stuck A Foster *undrafted rookie* behind that o-line and it’s working wonders , all that money they saved , they’re spending on D, which is currently a top 10 unit
November 9th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
racism is stupid and should never be given the time of day.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
To say DA was a “hot” candidate is exaggerating. He wasn’t going to be hired as a HC by anyone but us. We didn’t even originally plan on hiring him, but the Bronco OC, whatever his name was. He was actually the “hot” candidate. Several teams were interested in him, until he shot his mouth off in the media about how he canceled the Raiders interview cos he thought he was going to get hired by some other team and how he preferred that. That is a no-no in the NFL. Organizations blackball you for stuff like that, and other stuff like what Hue Jackson did.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Phil is “open” to returning. Done deal…#17 awaits
November 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Marks hair Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Ej and geno look pretty dam good
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agreed
these are my 2 top qb prospect in this draft
i would love to see them in silver and black
chip kelly too
November 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
people talking about it are what keeps it alive
November 9th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Raider8 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
The vast majority of whites in this country are not racist imo. Sure, there are some who still hold to archaic and wrong opinions and bias.
The the GOP was here long before a black man ran as the opponent, and they aren’t gonna all of a sudden switch parties so as to avoid being called racist.
Racism works both ways no matter what the excuse for being racist is.
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racism exist in every political party
November 9th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
dr quack and macbuttnugget 20 have dragged this blog into filth
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we were arguing over football , you kept bringing other BS into it , keep playing the race card when ever you get exposed you f8kin hypocrite , st1ck with football and don’t run away and ask for help from your friends , even your black friends think you lost it for example eastoaklandraider
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i havnyt asked for anything from anybody
i dont know a single person on this board none are my friends
there are several posters that have intelligent football takes and are fun to debate even though we never agree
there is no such thing as playing a race card, anytime a black man can be shot and killed for the color of his skin race isnt a game for us.
shut the fugg up already
I hope i meet you one day then you can try your luck
mac jack off
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Now it’s just getting way over your head a little bit,
go get some rest, your too sensitive to everything,
don’t even know where the f8k shooting and killing is coming from on this blog
November 9th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
To say DA was a “hot” candidate is exaggerating. He wasn’t going to be hired as a HC by anyone but us. We didn’t even originally plan on hiring him, but the Bronco OC, whatever his name was. He was actually the “hot” candidate. Several teams were interested in him, until he shot his mouth off in the media about how he canceled the Raiders interview cos he thought he was going to get hired by some other team and how he preferred that. That is a no-no in the NFL. Organizations blackball you for stuff like that, and other stuff like what Hue Jackson did.
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He was def on the the ladder going up climbing positions in a hurry, he’s a good coach, we should give him a time , eventually this investment will pay off , I’m not talking about Freds 10 and then plan , i mean next year
November 9th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Bottom line is…DA impressed Reggie more than any other candidate…that’s what counts.
Oh..and if Grudden was truly a “Raider” he would have picked up the phone and offered his services.
I think Gruden is more overrated than the winner Rex Ryan….lol
November 9th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
D.a needs to be held accountable
1. hiring greg knapp and ruining dmacs blossoming career
2. he has a putrid defense and that is supposed to be his calling card
3. routine 3rd quarter flop jobs when the team comes out and plays like card board cut outs
4. allowing knapp to flip flop on line blocking schemes and offensive philosophy turning our once mighty offense into a hodge podge of mismatched personnel and scheme with no discernible identity
November 9th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
It’s funny I’m talking about football with Mistic and exposing him on the way , n even defending his “wave of futures” along the way and he replies back calling people racist
November 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
America hates black people and having a black president does nothing to disprove it.
Lol!!! That pretty much says it all.
He is too attached to the idea that he’s hated. It’s his best excuse for the state of his life. What would he do if he didn’t have whitey to blame.
What a joke.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
The statement that America hates black people is just wrong.
I’m white and don’t know anyone who “hates” black people. I just don’t. None of my white friends or family or people I work with. Privately? i’m not a mind reader.
I think the election DOES disprove the notion that “America hates black people”. That’s suggesting that EVERYONE does.
When a state like Iowa..you don’t get more white than Iowa, overwhelmingly support a black candidate it tells you at least little something.
People don’t vote for someone they hate.
Does racism exist? Of course.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Let it go Mcfadden20; just ignore the guy. Don’t let him get to you. Let’s just talk some football.
Lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Mc20-let it go and just ignore him.If everyone didn’t respond when he posted his drivel he would either vanish or change his topics.
Waldo the tildo Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Mac20, you are a big troll feeder. Quit feeding the trolls and they will go away. They see you as they see a lunch wagon. Feeding time. You football take is good, but your troll feeding is bad.
Just say no to trolls.
Do Not Feed The Trolls.
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LOL what a dumbass this Mcfaggen20 is, people try to help him but he he is too dumb to get the point but it gets worse…..
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Mc20-let it go and just ignore him.If everyone didn’t respond when he posted his drivel he would either vanish or change his topics.
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OK man , sorry about that, he’s officially on the ignore list
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LOL, but he was right back at it as soon as his daddy Mistic pops back in LOL. Mcfaggen20 the blog village idiot.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
DA is fine in my books , he’s doing a lot of good things, you guys would have found something to blame about even if we’re sitting unbeaten at this point
November 9th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
#457 & #458…
Said I liked DA. He’s okay. Would like to see what he can do in season 2. If he progresses or regresses as a ‘head coach’.
The REAL issue is the OC position, from a coaching standpoint. There are other issues like OL, DL, DB, LB talent, that Reggie will work on. But the talent on the offense needs someone who is more creative and isn’t some 80’s pupil married to the WCO, and is so uncreative he had to bring in a system that someone else used in Houston when he was a QB coach there.
Need someone who has his own vision, own half-crazy aggressive approach to decimating defenses. Like a Martz in his time, a Leach, or a Kelly etc.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
America hates black people and having a black president does nothing to disprove it.
Lol!!! That pretty much says it all.
He is too attached to the idea that he’s hated. It’s his best excuse for the state of his life. What would he do if he didn’t have whitey to blame.
What a joke.
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He starts talking about racism every time he’s getting exposed in his football takes, don’t fall for his racist talk , i can debate Palmer situation all day with him , even if he wants to be ignorant on that topic too
November 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
To say DA was a “hot” candidate is exaggerating. He wasn’t going to be hired as a HC by anyone but us. We didn’t even originally plan on hiring him, but the Bronco OC, whatever his name was. He was actually the “hot” candidate. Several teams were interested in him, until he shot his mouth off in the media about how he canceled the Raiders interview cos he thought he was going to get hired by some other team and how he preferred that. That is a no-no in the NFL. Organizations blackball you for stuff like that, and other stuff like what Hue Jackson did.
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DA was interviewed by the Rams; if we hadn’t hired him and Jeff Fisher had gone to Miami, DA would have ended up in St. Louis.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Oh boy. Are u ready for missdick’s new rant? Now it’s gonna be hue was better than da. Man he’s a broken fuxking record. A pathetic excuse for a man.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Oh, and I totally agree that Mike McCoy (that Bronco OC) is an idiot.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Raider8 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
The statement that America hates black people is just wrong.
I’m white and don’t know anyone who “hates” black people. I just don’t. None of my white friends or family or people I work with. Privately? i’m not a mind reader.
I think the election DOES disprove the notion that “America hates black people”. That’s suggesting that EVERYONE does.
When a state like Iowa..you don’t get more white than Iowa, overwhelmingly support a black candidate it tells you at least little something.
People don’t vote for someone they hate.
Does racism exist? Of course.
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i hear you but it is matter of perspective
we see things differently and you are not faced with white supremacy daily the way i am.
I didnt say all whites hate blacks however amerikkka has a very spotty record with its treatment of black people not just here either but world wide.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Does racism exist? Of course.
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Let it go Mcfadden20; just ignore the guy. Don’t let him get to you. Let’s just talk some football.
Lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Mc20-let it go and just ignore him.If everyone didn’t respond when he posted his drivel he would either vanish or change his topics.
Waldo the tildo Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Mac20, you are a big troll feeder. Quit feeding the trolls and they will go away. They see you as they see a lunch wagon. Feeding time. You football take is good, but your troll feeding is bad.
Just say no to trolls.
Do Not Feed The Trolls.
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LOL what a dumbass this Mcfaggen20 is, people try to help him but he he is too dumb to get the point but it gets worse…..
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Mc20-let it go and just ignore him.If everyone didn’t respond when he posted his drivel he would either vanish or change his topics.
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OK man , sorry about that, he’s officially on the ignore list
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LOL, but he was right back at it as soon as his daddy Mistic pops back in LOL. Mcfaggen20 the blog village idiot.
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But i realized this guy been here 2 years non-stop and nobody have done anything about it ,so being here and sitting quite and while the troll is here, isn’t going to do anything , instead of posting some bs towards me because i disagreed with your football takes, maybe you should also try to call out mistic and expose his bs , it’s because of idiots like you who take his back , is why he’s here
November 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
#467…
He MIGHT’VE ended up in St Louis. But I don’t think Fisher was ever going to Miami. He used them the whole time to drive up his price and his controlling power demands with the Rams. And Philbin was always going to the Fins. This was DA’s first time interviewing as HC. Often those young up-and-comers no one has heard of do the rounds for a couple years, building a resume before being entrusted with a HC gig. Especially after the NFL saw guys like Kiffin and McDaniels destroy clubs from the inside like they did. More reluctant since to hire those young bucks straight up so quickly.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Oh gawd. Back to racist talk.
I have family in Houston Co. Tennessee, where old guys still say “colored people”. I don’t know if that is considered “racist” or not..(considering what naacp stands for) but anyway guess who won the county? It wasn’t Romney.
That county is as white as can be, AND… they are democrats.
Racism isn’t non existent, but it’s getting better.
Why don’t we follow our president’s lead and try to try to unite as a nation and ignore the color of one’s skin and look at each other as people first.
By the way, we need to win this game sunday.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Palmer >> JC
November 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Oh boy. Are u ready for missdick’s new rant? Now it’s gonna be hue was better than da. Man he’s a broken fuxking record. A pathetic excuse for a man.
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Nope that belongs Hue praising’s on me pal:
this just isnt true cable went 5-11 without jackson 8-8 with him and the difference Hue made in the O was a night an day difference. when Hue took over as HC he had no offseason but thats overlooked time and time again, Hue had had us in first place when the team was HEALTHY, thats overlooked, Hue got us the best qb we’ve had since gannon and most of you (including me) shower CP3 with praise. CP3 was off the street and had no offseason or training camp but was thrust into action when he clearly wasnt ready which cost us a few games. when CP3 grasp Hues O we looked like an O poised to be one of the best and that was without Mcfadden, this is overlooked by many here. Hue had the worst DC in football who gave away 4 games, Den ,Det,Buff,SD, this is overlooked. Despite dealing with all these problems as a ROOKIE COACH with no offseason mind you he still guided this team to an 8-8 record. that is flat out astounding and one of the better coaching jobs I have ever seen and not to mention AL died in the mist of all of this. sure he went 1-5 down the stretch which is what all the Hue haters point to but you would be hard pressed to find another rookie coach that would have done as well, just look at DA, he’s had everything Hue didnt have (CP3 & Mcfadden healthy at the same time, full offseason and training camp and a decent DC) and he hasnt come close to the success Hue had, thats why its common knowledge to realistic fans that if Hue were here today we’d easily have a winning record.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
DA >>>> HUE
November 9th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I understand that we need to focus on the defense and the lines, but it may take time to develop a solid rushing attack and I just don’t want us to be stuck with another hot prospect wide receiver.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Oh gawd. Back to racist talk.
I have family in Houston Co. Tennessee, where old guys still say “colored people”. I don’t know if that is considered “racist” or not..(considering what naacp stands for) but anyway guess who won the county? It wasn’t Romney.
That county is as white as can be, AND… they are democrats.
Racism isn’t non existent, but it’s getting better.
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for everyone trying to sell “the its getting better garbage” the question is bettr for whom? definitly not black folks
dont take my word for it though try the FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATIONS
http://imagine2050.newcomm.org/2012/04/09/tulsa-murders-targeting-black-community-point-to-racial-vendetta/
November 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
GG Says:
One area knapp has not explored from his WCO-days/knowledge is the lack of use of the Split-Back formation.
With Reece and Taiwan back there, they can keep defenses guessing a little. Rush either on a quick toss, set up screens to either, rush either up the middle, or motion one out (reece) and from that there’s a few more options too.====================================================
If he didn’t do it with Reece and Taiwan AND McFadden and Goodson, don’t see him getting creative now. Knapp has surprised me on a few pass plays, but never on runs or screens.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
OK man , sorry about that, he’s officially on the ignore list
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You just cant make this schit up LOL, Classic.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Cable >>>> Hue
2010 6th ranked in points scored 20th Ranked D points allowed
2011 16th ranked in points scored 29th Ranked D in Points allowed
November 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Having a black pres does nothing to dispell the notion that amerikkka hates black black men in particular
take a look
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/27/racial-views-new-polls-sh_n_2029423.html
November 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Btw, Ngata is out for the Ravens. Not to mention Ravens are 29th in rush defense this year. I have a feeling Taiwan/Reece can do a better one-cut job than McSprint can in the ZBS that Knapp loves.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
OK man , sorry about that, he’s officially on the ignore list
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You just cant make this schit up LOL, Classic.
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Didn’t you tell me you will stop talking to me about anything , why won’t you get my DIck out of your mouth , gtfo out of here , talk football or go to some High school blog
November 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
DA is EXACTLY the type of coach Davis would have hired-young and up & coming.The difference is he’ll get more than 1 year to prove he deserves the chance to coach an NFL team.And that is a good thing.Enough of firing our HC every year or two.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Btw, Ngata is out for the Ravens. Not to mention Ravens are 29th in rush defense this year. I have a feeling Taiwan/Reece can do a better one-cut job than McSprint can in the ZBS that Knapp loves.
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I hope so, Mcfadden is a great player maybe under PBS scheme , but what good does that do for us , when he can’t even stay healthy for half of the season, I’m over this experiment
November 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Palmer getting props from Suggs is not going to make him win games for the Raiders. If fans are satisfied with a losing qb than so be it.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
GG Says:
One area knapp has not explored from his WCO-days/knowledge is the lack of use of the Split-Back formation.
With Reece and Taiwan back there, they can keep defenses guessing a little. Rush either on a quick toss, set up screens to either, rush either up the middle, or motion one out (reece) and from that there’s a few more options too.====================================================
If he didn’t do it with Reece and Taiwan AND McFadden and Goodson, don’t see him getting creative now. Knapp has surprised me on a few pass plays, but never on runs or screens.
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Yep, true that. Now would be a good time tho to try, specifically because McFadden and Goodson are both out. Both the usual everydown HB types that Knapp would belligerently persist with. But with an unknown Taiwan, and an H-Back who’s maybe never carried the ball, having to carry the ball, bringing out a formation like the Split-Back could be conducive. Especially as both are so dangerous out of the backfield. That formation opens up the dink/screen possibilities, as well as Reece not even having to motion out, but just taking off downfield on a route.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
DA is EXACTLY the type of coach Davis would have hired-young and up & coming.The difference is he’ll get more than 1 year to prove he deserves the chance to coach an NFL team.And that is a good thing.Enough of firing our HC every year or two.
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DA is good coach , i see some Belichic in him, he’s always working on stuff, doesn’t get too excited after wins or too low after losses
Can’t believe these guys want Hue back who freaking kept telling us he will fix the penalties problem , and end up setting the all time record for penalties
November 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
McFadden is NOT a great player.The great ones play more than 6-9 games a year.The great ones don’t go down to injury every year-that is what makes them great instead of just being very good.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
zopi Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Palmer getting props from Suggs is not going to make him win games for the Raiders. If fans are satisfied with a losing qb than so be it.
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Palmer is 9-3 against them , so Suggs know whats up
Palmer is not the problem , problem is running game, OL, receivers, DE’s, DT’s MLB and Secondary
November 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Btw, Ngata is out for the Ravens. Not to mention Ravens are 29th in rush defense this year. I have a feeling Taiwan/Reece can do a better one-cut job than McSprint can in the ZBS that Knapp loves.
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I hope so, Mcfadden is a great player maybe under PBS scheme , but what good does that do for us , when he can’t even stay healthy for half of the season, I’m over this experiment
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Truth be told, while I liked McFadden out of Arkansas, I liked Felix more. Ok, both didn’t turn out so good in the end. But I like Taiwan more anyways. I also have had enough of McFadden, I’ve traded and released him in all my fantasy leagues. I’ve washed my hands of him after 4 years of perseverance since drafting him. Plus he’s too injury-prone it can drive a franchise crazy. Those pocket-rockets seem to be much more durable. Ray Rice, LeSean McCoy, Doug Martin, etc.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
And so it begins with Darren McFadden……
November 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
2010 6th ranked in points scored 20th Ranked D points allowed
2011 16th ranked in points scored 29th Ranked D in Points allowed
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2011 Huejax O #9 in the NFL, What are we ranked so far this year?
November 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
McFadden is NOT a great player.The great ones play more than 6-9 games a year.The great ones don’t go down to injury every year-that is what makes them great instead of just being very good.
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The only reason why the last scheme even succeeded was cuz of Mcfadden,and he still couldn’t go more than 5 games, you don’t build your schemes around a IR prone guy, lets get rid of him next year, find some durable back , who will adjust to ZBS just fine
November 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
McFadden is NOT a great player.The great ones play more than 6-9 games a year.The great ones don’t go down to injury every year-that is what makes them great instead of just being very good.
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The only reason why the last scheme even succeeded was cuz of Mcfadden,and he still couldn’t go more than 5 games, you don’t build your schemes around a IR prone guy, lets get rid of him next year, find some durable back , who will adjust to ZBS just fine
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Concur.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
2010 6th ranked in points scored 20th Ranked D points allowed
2011 16th ranked in points scored 29th Ranked D in Points allowed
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2011 Huejax O #9 in the NFL, What are we ranked so far this year?
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# 9 in yards, # 16 in points , we’re sitting at 19th in points , not much difference, O is doing fine last 4 games , after starting slow , we’re averaging near 26 points ,
November 9th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Reason our Offense doing much better btw is the 2nd half when palmer goes no-huddle. Another reason why Kelly or just employing a similar system here next year would be more successful from a statistics/rankings pov. Getting teams on the back-foot with spread/no-huddle elements is the way to go. Tho, Tom Brady made a good point in that article I posted a week ago, how sometimes going fast on offense isn’t a good idea, more balance required, for instance, if you want to keep your D fresh, you’ll want to slow things down, sustain some long drives etc.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
2010 6th ranked in points scored 20th Ranked D points allowed
2011 16th ranked in points scored 29th Ranked D in Points allowed
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2011 Huejax O #9 in the NFL, What are we ranked so far this year?
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# 9 in yards, # 16 in points , we’re sitting at 19th in points , not much difference, O is doing fine last 4 games , after starting slow , we’re averaging near 26 points ,
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whats our total O rank?
November 9th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Phil open to return to Lakers! =)
Go Raiders!
37-33, Raiders win!
November 9th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
2010 6th ranked in points scored 20th Ranked D points allowed
2011 16th ranked in points scored 29th Ranked D in Points allowed
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2011 Huejax O #9 in the NFL, What are we ranked so far this year?
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# 9 in yards, # 16 in points , we’re sitting at 19th in points , not much difference, O is doing fine last 4 games , after starting slow , we’re averaging near 26 points ,
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whats our total O rank? oh yeah and no run game to speak of is not doing fine.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
** ie, spread/no-huddle elements bloat the stats more. Why all those spread college QBs amass such massive yards and TDs. When we are playing normally in the first half, we suck. When we go no-huddle multi-WR sets, in the 2nd half, naturally the yards, first downs, and TDs scored increases dramatically, and why Palmer ends up with great numbers. It’s really all system that generates the numbers or not, that makes players look better/worse than they are.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
i definitly had my issues with hu after the death of Al davis, he went off the rails.
However early retruns suggest he was a bettr oc than knapp and cable, offensive numbers verify this
he was abtter head coach than barny rubble cable win loss record says so
he has been better than d.a to date unless d.a can reel off at least 5 more wins this year the win loss record will confirm this as well
so while hue fell apart in the second half of the year sans davis and jc d.a has been bad from jump
November 9th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
2010 6th ranked in points scored 20th Ranked D points allowed
2011 16th ranked in points scored 29th Ranked D in Points allowed
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2011 Huejax O #9 in the NFL, What are we ranked so far this year?
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# 9 in yards, # 16 in points , we’re sitting at 19th in points , not much difference, O is doing fine last 4 games , after starting slow , we’re averaging near 26 points ,
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whats our total O rank?
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all that matters is points scored:
16th last year
19th this year and getting better
November 9th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Hue Jackson night on the Raider blog! AGAIN! LOL
November 9th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
win loss record is the only measuring stick for head coaches ask every unemployed or fired coach that has ever had a whistle and a clipboard
November 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Hue wasn’t some instant upgrade over Cable
Cable in2010 6th ranked in points scored 20th Ranked D points allowed
Hue in 2011 16th ranked in points scored 29th Ranked D in Points allowed – set the record of Penalties after claiming every day he will fix it
November 9th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
unfortunately when hue went cobra commander and thought he could rule the world he had to go.
when he showed a duplicitous nature to the players and dumped his team captain benched dhb in favor for tj housh off the street he lost the locker room
when he threw players coaches and the front office under the bus in pressers he sealed his own fate
Hue screwed hue
November 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
um hue won 8 games in a season cable never did
this is the only measuring sticks for head coaches rankings are secondary
November 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
One thing I agree with about Hue is what Mistic said in #503. Jackson was far more creative and aggressive (most of the time anyway) as an OC. From the get-go with him as OC and also as HC, was more creativity, end-arounds, fake FGs/punts, Reece brought forward and starting, getting used on routes, even Taiwan got 16 carries WHILST McFadden and Bush got theirs. And he even got Pryor out there on a play, had something designed for him.
Whereas Knapp, Taiwan would’ve stayed unseen all year if McFadden/Goodson stayed healthy. It took till week 9 before Reece was properly exploited. Okay, we saw some of Ausberry this year at least. But Pryor not seen either. And we only ran our first fake Punt last week. Only had one end-around all year. And largely the play-calling’s been hackneyed.
Also, it was Hue who got that whole Reece-ball thing going. Before Hue came along as OC, Reece was like what Ausberry and Taiwan have been so far.
I dont like Hue btw, he lost the plot etc. But from an OC X&O standpoint, Hue-Saunders was superior to Knapp….even tho the stats suggest the 2012 and 2011/2010 Raiders O’s are similarly ranked or whatever. It’s just obvious actually watching the game, that there’s a lot left to be desired in the current scheme.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
If your coach sets the penalty record after telling everybody he will fix the penalties issue , he should not be brought back, Hue was right Palmer can take us to the playoffs , Palmer was the best player on our team in week 17, Hue just failed to get his team ready, he had the chance to freaking fire Breshnahan, after the epic week 2 collapse, he stuck with him and paid for it after D saved the worst for the must needed win
November 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Cable 8-8 2010 , Hue 8-8 in 11
November 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Im campaigning hard for the return of Jon and Bruce,..however that dude in Oregon, that would be pretty exciting to have that go on in Oakland…hes coming to the NFL, and bringing that with him,..might as well be here. DA and Knapp and Reg need to get out of here. I have spoken.
November 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
For my money, with the condition the running game has been in, not to play HB with TJ’s ability borders on insanity. I know the issues he’s has with injuries and the like. But I thin DMC would still be healthy if they had the foresight to share the load and maybe DMC even takes some notes on how to run in this scheme from those guys.
If they’re breaking off long runs and he’s not maybe it helps him adjust faster. That is why I have huge problems with this coaching staff they just don’t have much imagination creativity in their program. It was all one way oor no way. Moving to power system more was an adjustment taht took far too long. Not using Reece and TJ Ausberry is a mistake as well.
When you are losing games try something to spark the team as long as it doesn’t deviate too far from what you’re trying to do WHY NOT!! Now everyone is anxious about TJ which put even more pressure on that kid. He should’ve had 25+ carries already and they would’ve seen his potential.
But NOOO!, let’s wait until DMC gets hurt to do the obvious…………….they’re just flat freaking dumb to me. Starting with Knapp!
November 9th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
2010 6th ranked in points scored 20th Ranked D points allowed
2011 16th ranked in points scored 29th Ranked D in Points allowed
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2011 Huejax O #9 in the NFL, What are we ranked so far this year?
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# 9 in yards, # 16 in points , we’re sitting at 19th in points , not much difference, O is doing fine last 4 games , after starting slow , we’re averaging near 26 points ,
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whats our total O rank?
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all that matters is points scored:
16th last year
19th this year and getting better
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the higher you rank in toatal O the more points you will score look it up all the good to great O’S rank highly in total O. So what do we rank thus far?
November 9th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
One thing I agree with about Hue is what Mistic said in #503. Jackson was far more creative and aggressive (most of the time anyway) as an OC. From the get-go with him as OC and also as HC, was more creativity, end-arounds, fake FGs/punts, Reece brought forward and starting, getting used on routes, even Taiwan got 16 carries WHILST McFadden and Bush got theirs. And he even got Pryor out there on a play, had something designed for him.
Whereas Knapp, Taiwan would’ve stayed unseen all year if McFadden/Goodson stayed healthy. It took till week 9 before Reece was properly exploited. Okay, we saw some of Ausberry this year at least. But Pryor not seen either. And we only ran our first fake Punt last week. Only had one end-around all year. And largely the play-calling’s been hackneyed.
Also, it was Hue who got that whole Reece-ball thing going. Before Hue came along as OC, Reece was like what Ausberry and Taiwan have been so far.
I dont like Hue btw, he lost the plot etc. But from an OC X&O standpoint, Hue-Saunders was superior to Knapp….even tho the stats suggest the 2012 and 2011/2010 Raiders O’s are similarly ranked or whatever. It’s just obvious actually watching the game, that there’s a lot left to be desired in the current scheme.
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Hue had those reverses, trick plays , fake punts , fg’s and screens working for him in 1st half, O crumbled in 2nd halves, just like the entire team crumbled late in season when they went 1-4 in last 5 games,
November 9th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Cable-offensive line coach and assistant head coach
Pedicure Hue-assistant secondary coach for the lowly bungles
November 9th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
For my money, with the condition the running game has been in, not to play HB with TJ’s ability borders on insanity. I know the issues he’s has with injuries and the like. But I thin DMC would still be healthy if they had the foresight to share the load and maybe DMC even takes some notes on how to run in this scheme from those guys.
If they’re breaking off long runs and he’s not maybe it helps him adjust faster. That is why I have huge problems with this coaching staff they just don’t have much imagination creativity in their program. It was all one way oor no way. Moving to power system more was an adjustment taht took far too long. Not using Reece and TJ Ausberry is a mistake as well.
When you are losing games try something to spark the team as long as it doesn’t deviate too far from what you’re trying to do WHY NOT!! Now everyone is anxious about TJ which put even more pressure on that kid. He should’ve had 25+ carries already and they would’ve seen his potential.
But NOOO!, let’s wait until DMC gets hurt to do the obvious…………….they’re just flat freaking dumb to me. Starting with Knapp!
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Good post. Totally agree naturally because articulates everything I’ve said about this too.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Cable 8-8 2010 , Hue 8-8 in 11
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Cable without Hue 5-11
Cable with Hue 8-8
Hue without Cable 8-8
Cable < Hue
November 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Hue had those reverses, trick plays , fake punts , fg’s and screens working for him in 1st half, O crumbled in 2nd halves, just like the entire team crumbled late in season when they went 1-4 in last 5 games,
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yep the second half was an entirely differnt team with out jc
the majority of teams lose when the starting qb goes down historiclly speaking, this can be traced throught the history of the nfl
jeff hostetler matt cassel type situations are the exception not the the norm
November 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
the higher you rank in toatal O the more points you will score look it up all the good to great O’S rank highly in total O. So what do we rank thus far?
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Yards are irrelevant , they could get 90 yards on a drive and fumble in the red zone a few times, nobody talks about how freaking many yards they got , its all about points, so we’re only a few points short of last season, big freakin deal
November 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
For my money, with the condition the running game has been in, not to play HB with TJ’s ability borders on insanity. I know the issues he’s has with injuries and the like. But I thin DMC would still be healthy if they had the foresight to share the load and maybe DMC even takes some notes on how to run in this scheme from those guys.
If they’re breaking off long runs and he’s not maybe it helps him adjust faster. That is why I have huge problems with this coaching staff they just don’t have much imagination creativity in their program. It was all one way oor no way. Moving to power system more was an adjustment taht took far too long. Not using Reece and TJ Ausberry is a mistake as well.
When you are losing games try something to spark the team as long as it doesn’t deviate too far from what you’re trying to do WHY NOT!! Now everyone is anxious about TJ which put even more pressure on that kid. He should’ve had 25+ carries already and they would’ve seen his potential.
But NOOO!, let’s wait until DMC gets hurt to do the obvious…………….they’re just flat freaking dumb to me. Starting with Knapp!
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Good post. Totally agree naturally because articulates everything I’ve said about this too.
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spot on
November 9th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Raider E Says: racism is stupid and should never be given the time of day.=============================
Seems that some obsess on the subject.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
this just isnt true cable went 5-11 without jackson 8-8 with him and the difference Hue made in the O was a night an day difference. when Hue took over as HC he had no offseason but thats overlooked time and time again, Hue had had us in first place when the team was HEALTHY, thats overlooked, Hue got us the best qb we’ve had since gannon and most of you (including me) shower CP3 with praise. CP3 was off the street and had no offseason or training camp but was thrust into action when he clearly wasnt ready which cost us a few games. when CP3 grasp Hues O we looked like an O poised to be one of the best and that was without Mcfadden, this is overlooked by many here. Hue had the worst DC in football who gave away 4 games, Den ,Det,Buff,SD, this is overlooked. Despite dealing with all these problems as a ROOKIE COACH with no offseason mind you he still guided this team to an 8-8 record. that is flat out astounding and one of the better coaching jobs I have ever seen and not to mention AL died in the mist of all of this. sure he went 1-5 down the stretch which is what all the Hue haters point to but you would be hard pressed to find another rookie coach that would have done as well, just look at DA, he’s had everything Hue didnt have (CP3 & Mcfadden healthy at the same time, full offseason and training camp and a decent DC) and he hasnt come close to the success Hue had, thats why its common knowledge to realistic fans that if Hue were here today we’d easily have a winning record.
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None of this is debatable all facts except for the last sentance. but I know yall will try.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Hue had those reverses, trick plays , fake punts , fg’s and screens working for him in 1st half, O crumbled in 2nd halves, just like the entire team crumbled late in season when they went 1-4 in last 5 games,
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yep the second half was an entirely differnt team with out jc
the majority of teams lose when the starting qb goes down historiclly speaking, this can be traced throught the history of the nfl
jeff hostetler matt cassel type situations are the exception not the the norm
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Sorry but the fate was sealed when Mcfadden went down,JC have proven he can’t win games without running game 3-8 when RB gained under 100 yards rushing Bush couldn’t carry Mcfadden’s jock straps in his dreams
November 9th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
This is awesome. Missdick keeps saying “white supremacy”.
In the words of Indio Montoya from “the princess bride”:
“Why do you keep saying that word? I do not think it means what you think it means.”
What’s great is how he doesn’t realize how stupid it makes him sound. He’s exactly like that Damin Wayans character in prison that had read a few books and got everything completely wrong, trying to use words he didn’t understand in some comical “militant” way. Just a total clown.
And now he’s on to “black coaches”. He’s a completely predictable joke of a man.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
the higher you rank in toatal O the more points you will score look it up all the good to great O’S rank highly in total O. So what do we rank thus far?
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Yards are irrelevant , they could get 90 yards on a drive and fumble in the red zone a few times, nobody talks about how freaking many yards they got , its all about points, so we’re only a few points short of last season, big freakin deal
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Here we go again… look up the highest scoring O’s and I bet they rank just as high in total O, they go hand in hand.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
For my money, with the condition the running game has been in, not to play HB with TJ’s ability borders on insanity. I know the issues he’s has with injuries and the like. But I thin DMC would still be healthy if they had the foresight to share the load and maybe DMC even takes some notes on how to run in this scheme from those guys.
If they’re breaking off long runs and he’s not maybe it helps him adjust faster. That is why I have huge problems with this coaching staff they just don’t have much imagination creativity in their program. It was all one way oor no way. Moving to power system more was an adjustment taht took far too long. Not using Reece and TJ Ausberry is a mistake as well.
When you are losing games try something to spark the team as long as it doesn’t deviate too far from what you’re trying to do WHY NOT!! Now everyone is anxious about TJ which put even more pressure on that kid. He should’ve had 25+ carries already and they would’ve seen his potential.
But NOOO!, let’s wait until DMC gets hurt to do the obvious…………….they’re just flat freaking dumb to me. Starting with Knapp!
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Good post. Totally agree naturally because articulates everything I’ve said about this too.
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JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Im campaigning hard for the return of Jon and Bruce,..however that dude in Oregon, that would be pretty exciting to have that go on in Oakland…hes coming to the NFL, and bringing that with him,..might as well be here. DA and Knapp and Reg need to get out of here. I have spoken.
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Bring it on
November 9th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Yards are irrelevant , they could get 90 yards on a drive and fumble in the red zone a few times, nobody talks about how freaking many yards they got , its all about points, so we’re only a few points short of last season, big freakin deal
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Here we go again… look up the highest scoring O’s and I bet they rank just as high in total O, they go hand in hand.
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yards are irrelevant , 11 team can be ranked # 1 in yards and 12 could be # 32 , it all matters on how many points you score, ranked # 16 last year and rank at 19 this year
November 9th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Hue had those reverses, trick plays , fake punts , fg’s and screens working for him in 1st half, O crumbled in 2nd halves, just like the entire team crumbled late in season when they went 1-4 in last 5 games,
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yep the second half was an entirely differnt team with out jc
the majority of teams lose when the starting qb goes down historiclly speaking, this can be traced throught the history of the nfl
jeff hostetler matt cassel type situations are the exception not the the norm
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Sorry but the fate was sealed when Mcfadden went down,JC have proven he can’t win games without running game 3-8 when RB gained under 100 yards rushing Bush couldn’t carry Mcfadden’s jock straps in his dreams
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your opinion doesnt change historical fact
teams more often than not lose without the starting qb
we lost the starter then and his replacement had and continues to have a losing record with and with out dmac
November 9th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
It’s like they’re trying to hide the talent rather than exploit it. I have just never seen a coach ignore the obvious the way Knapp does. He KNEW based on history DMC gets hurt if you overuse him………and he does just that. So now that DMC is hurt we ahve a back who could’ve helped tremedously who’s been in a doghouse……..lol For What??
If DMC doesn’t go down we never see Reece or TJ in an appreciable role which is mind boggling.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Yards are irrelevant , they could get 90 yards on a drive and fumble in the red zone a few times, nobody talks about how freaking many yards they got , its all about points, so we’re only a few points short of last season, big freakin deal
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Here we go again… look up the highest scoring O’s and I bet they rank just as high in total O, they go hand in hand.
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yards are irrelevant , 11 team can be ranked # 1 in yards and 12 could be # 32 , it all matters on how many points you score, ranked # 16 last year and rank at 19 this year
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no win loss record is the only measuring stick for a head coach in the nfl or on any level of football
not team rankings power rankings stats or otherwise
cut and dry
November 9th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Last years team was all Mcfadden… 4-2 with him 4-6 without him, Mcfadden is not even same player this year, goes down on every kinda contact , runs out of bounds 2 yards short of a 1st down ,and is injured again
November 9th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
I honestly thought DMAC should have been traded before the deadline, if we were going to be strictly ZBS. I agree that Tai and Goodson should have shared the load with DMAC, but now he’s hurt…again. This is probably the only mistake I agree that the Raider have done thus far. Ryan Grant was out there wasnt he?
November 9th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Im campaigning hard for the return of Jon and Bruce,..however that dude in Oregon, that would be pretty exciting to have that go on in Oakland…hes coming to the NFL, and bringing that with him,..might as well be here. DA and Knapp and Reg need to get out of here. I have spoken.
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Man give it up, Gruden would bring the same boring offense you’re seeing right now. Maybe Gruden keeps Bush aroung because he loves phsyical runners but as far exlosive O it would be business as usual. NOT INTERESTED!!
November 9th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
These tools think they know more about talent than nfl coaches who see them everyday. These are the guys who thought Bruce Campbell and joe barksdale were horrifyingly being kept out of the lineup.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
your opinion doesnt change historical fact
teams more often than not lose without the starting qb
we lost the starter then and his replacement had and continues to have a losing record with and with out dmac
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JC wouldn’t have done much either with out Mcfadden probably would have done even worse
3-8 when Rb gain less than 100 yards on the ground
November 9th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
If wins and losses tells the tale, then missdick is worst blogger the world gas ever seen.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Yards are irrelevant , they could get 90 yards on a drive and fumble in the red zone a few times, nobody talks about how freaking many yards they got , its all about points, so we’re only a few points short of last season, big freakin deal
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Here we go again… look up the highest scoring O’s and I bet they rank just as high in total O, they go hand in hand.
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yards are irrelevant , 11 team can be ranked # 1 in yards and 12 could be # 32 , it all matters on how many points you score, ranked # 16 last year and rank at 19 this year
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show me a team in the top 5 of total offense that doesnt score, its that simple but you find a way to make it sooooo complicated.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Gruden isn’t coming back, neither is Bruce. Stop living in the past!
November 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
zopi Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Palmer getting props from Suggs is not going to make him win games for the Raiders. If fans are satisfied with a losing qb than so be it.
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Palmer is 9-3 against them , so Suggs know whats up
Palmer is not the problem , problem is running game, OL, receivers, DE’s, DT’s MLB and Secondary
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The problem isn’t a losing QB it’s a losing team. and that was going on long before Palmer got here.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Here’s an idea. If u don’t like the team, go like another team. Now we have this tool saying Jon gruden isn’t a good coach. I bet he really like art she’ll though. And hue Jackson.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
It’s not about trading DMC, it’s about understanding WHO HE IS. You don’t trade a talent like that unless you can rob the other team. I’m not in the trade DMC camp I have always been in the “use him correctly camp” and you’ll have a lethal weapon year round. He breaks down when OVERUSED…………period
November 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
your opinion doesnt change historical fact
teams more often than not lose without the starting qb
we lost the starter then and his replacement had and continues to have a losing record with and with out dmac
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JC wouldn’t have done much either with out Mcfadden probably would have done even worse
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speculation and its worthless
historical fact teams lose more often than not when they lose the starting qb
we lost our starer the season was over
November 9th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Yards are irrelevant , they could get 90 yards on a drive and fumble in the red zone a few times, nobody talks about how freaking many yards they got , its all about points, so we’re only a few points short of last season, big freakin deal
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Here we go again… look up the highest scoring O’s and I bet they rank just as high in total O, they go hand in hand.
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yards are irrelevant , 11 team can be ranked # 1 in yards and 12 could be # 32 , it all matters on how many points you score, ranked # 16 last year and rank at 19 this year
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show me a team in the top 5 of total offense that doesnt score, its that simple but you find a way to make it sooooo complicated.
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Okay but why do you even want to know the total yards, what point does that even prove?
November 9th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I care more about Pryor, Taiwan, Reece, DHB, Moore, than I do McFadden in terms of being a long-term Raider.
Despite his injury-proneness, McFadden would have trade value. There’d be teams out there who’d love to have someone with that potential. Jerry Jones, the Razorbacks booster, would trade for him. Get what you can, accumulate picks, trade some down, accumulate more, load up at OL, LB, DB, DE.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
nope whe the team was intact they were 4-2 and in first place, starting qb goes down and the season went down with him.
that is the sequence of events and it cant be changed by blog opinion
November 9th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
….And a prototypical cement-wall NT.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
We are only averaging 20 yards less than last year big freaking deal
only averaging 1 point less than last year big freaking deal
November 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Campbell was mediocre. Everyone knows it and that won’t change from some jack azz going on and on about how under appreciated he was.
Our record breaking golden haired hero is way better. Ask anyone in the nfl v
November 9th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
We are only averaging 20 yards less than last year big freaking deal
only averaging 1 point less than last year big freaking deal
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its not about points and yards for head coaches
its wins and losses
cable never won 8 games in a season and d.a wont this year
cable and da have never sniffed first place in the division….. advantage hu jcak
November 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
It’s not about trading DMC, it’s about understanding WHO HE IS. You don’t trade a talent like that unless you can rob the other team. I’m not in the trade DMC camp I have always been in the “use him correctly camp” and you’ll have a lethal weapon year round. He breaks down when OVERUSED…………period
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Always hurt. Last year, before anyone knew he was going to be out for the year, I said the best bet was to use DMAC like the Saints did Bush back when they had him. Mike gets the bulk of the carries and hit them with DMAC when the D is worn down. It’s all too late now and DMAC is hurt again…they should have traded him. Plus it’s a passing league now and drafting a successful RB to produce in the ZBS seems to happen frequently, regardless of what round they are drafted in.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
well thats all for me see you clowns after the game
November 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
your opinion doesnt change historical fact
teams more often than not lose without the starting qb
we lost the starter then and his replacement had and continues to have a losing record with and with out dmac
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JC wouldn’t have done much either with out Mcfadden probably would have done even worse
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speculation and its worthless
historical fact teams lose more often than not when they lose the starting qb
we lost our starer the season was over
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With that line of thought Hue Jackson didn’t do such a bad job after all did he?
I know, we can’t count the close games cuz they could’ve gone either way and we won in SD cuz Palmer was playing close to his home in LaJolla etc. etc. I get it.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Lol! I predicted it. Now he’s all about hue. Hilarious. What a complete tool.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Ran that garbage outta here!
November 9th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
well thats all for me see you clowns after the game
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Or tell us your weekly plans , so we’re not wondering where you at after the win ,we all would love to celebrate the win with you , we know you will be here all week after the loss though
November 9th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
it wasnt hues coaching that got him fired johhny, it was the poor professional ethic
trashing players and coaches publicly
being two faced in the locker room dumping the team captian benching dhb for housh
and insulting the boos by saying he wanted more power imimplying that the office was clueless
any coach that does this will be fired especially after only going 8-8 and making one of the most boneheaded trades in football and killing the draft
November 9th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
No beech. No missdick. Ahh. Life is sweet.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Trouble & problems with this team offense begins & ends with Knapp. He fixed what was not broken & fixed it so that it is doomed as long as he remains. If DA continues to tie his horse to Knapp, he too will go down. DA’s ONLY salvation now is to dump/demote Knapp & name a suitable OC replacement – like Saunders. Additionally, he needs to rid the team of Steve Hoffman (STCoord)& Frank Pollard (O-line coach). DA would be well advised to rehire Wylie & Wiz 1.0 assuming they’d consider coming back. Both had an excellent track record with this team.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
So it’s actually a black mans fault. Interesting.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
it wasnt hues coaching that got him fired johhny, it was the poor professional ethic
trashing players and coaches publicly
being two faced in the locker room dumping the team captian benching dhb for housh
and insulting the boos by saying he wanted more power imimplying that the office was clueless
any coach that does this will be fired especially after only going 8-8 and making one of the most boneheaded trades in football and killing the draft
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His coaching sucked,claimed he will fix the penalty problems, then proceeded to set the new record for penalties, couldn’t prepare his team for week 17 , a good coach gets the most out of his players in a most important game
November 9th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I actually liked hue for awhile. But he lost bad down the stretch. I liked how he honored al Davis.
But according to missdick he was a horrible coach.
Turns on his own people. Sad.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
any coach that does this will be fired especially after only going 8-8 and making one of the most boneheaded trades in football and killing the draft
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That was a brilliant trade, Palmer was the best player on the Raiders in week 17 , can’t blame the fault of rest of team on him
November 9th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
You forget one part here:
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JLofty Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I hope Palmer plays better defense this sunday. Needs to get his tackle on too…
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#PalmersFault
November 9th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Well, atleast we know that it wasn’t Hue’s coaching that got him a H.C job anywhere else or O.C, QB coach etc…
November 9th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I loved the trade. Brought in a grade A qb when we only had tripe. Trying to make a playoff run. His other moves hurt him.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
We can carry players who are always injured mid-season, just IR them. Ford, Dmac, specifically. But contractually is the problem. Dmac is or was or still is or is soon to be on contract renewal. There’s no point paying a constant IR candidate so much. Sure, if Dmac’s renegotiated contract is dirt cheap, ok, he can be someone you use then IR. But not build an entire scheme around him and rely on him when you cant, especially when it detriments the development of players behind him (Taiwan) who are probably better starters (we’ll soon see).
Just to dream for a minute…but if we hired Kelly, as OC say, McFadden isn’t important. If we run a Knapp offense, McFadden is important, but as said before, can’t be relied upon, cant be a “bell-cow” back. Taiwan probably cant either, but in a more spread-like scheme, Taiwan and other players can fill in at RB. Pats use Hernandez as a RB in no-huddle situations.
Scheme dictates. A better more aggressive scheme is the ticket, and McFadden can bring us trade value to address other issues.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
DMC has played his last game as a Raider,..just another over hyped bust…was injury prone in Arkansas too…he will make one great run and run for 1 yard ten strait times,…not even fast, gets caught from behind alot…never breaks tackles,…should have kept Bush and got a 5th rounder for DMC…but Reggie is just stupid, not a real GM,..getting coffee for Wolf for ten years doesnt make you a GM.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Taiwon Jones sucks,..the last of the Al Davis track guys,…the coaches know Jones sucks,..Palmer will break passing attempts records Sunday,..and lose by 30.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
520 total Offensive Yards , 2 TD’s – 1 int , On ford when he slipped down on a come back route, in SD territory, only if our D could force SD to punt once
November 9th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Trouble & problems with this team offense begins & ends with Knapp. He fixed what was not broken & fixed it so that it is doomed as long as he remains. If DA continues to tie his horse to Knapp, he too will go down. DA’s ONLY salvation now is to dump/demote Knapp & name a suitable OC replacement – like Saunders. Additionally, he needs to rid the team of Steve Hoffman (STCoord)& Frank Pollard (O-line coach). DA would be well advised to rehire Wylie & Wiz 1.0 assuming they’d consider coming back. Both had an excellent track record with this team.
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They are friends man, the only way he’ll dump Knapp is if he’s threatened to do so. I would love to go back to Wiz and Wylie but I think Wylie has a job. But Wiz IMO could take this job and do very well for years. I’d love to have Saunders take over Knapp’s previous coach here fired him DA would be wise to do the same. Cable took over tyhe playcalling and Saunders would do wonders with what we have.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
558,
I don’t see how Hue trashed players. He never singled anyone out. He did rip on the defense but as a fan from my standpoint they deserved it.
It was “a joke” as Hue said. At some point the players have to play.
Everyone thinks Hue was a fake and a charlatan etc. and i don’t think so…he was passionate about the Raiders and wanted win as bad as any of us.
As it turns out, he was too passionate i guess and let his emotions get the best of him.
He didn’t play the game like a HC should.
I don’t wanna get into another Hue debate as we’ve been there done that many times over. He’s gone and we move on.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
YARDS PER GAME RANKINGS:
1)NE
2)DET
3)DEN
4)INDY
5)NO
6)DAL
7)WAS
8)ATL
9)TB
10)PHI
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POINTS PER GAME
1)NE
2)NYG
3)GB
4)HOU
5)CHI
6)DEN
7)TB
8)WAS
9)ATL
10)NO
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For the most part if you rank in the top 10 in ypg you will rank in the top 10 in ppg. simple.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
These tools think they know more about talent than nfl coaches who see them everyday. These are the guys who thought Bruce Campbell and joe barksdale were horrifyingly being kept out of the lineup.
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Great point. And exactly my thinking as to why Pryor isn’t even suiting up. Minus the head to play QB in the NFL, it doesn’t matter how good of an athlete you are. If he’s not figuring out the system, he’s not getting in games. And Knapp’s system is arguably harder than most for the QB.
Would love to see Pryor traded for anything now while he has at least some value, mostly based on his college film and the fact that he hasn’t been publically exposed in the NFL yet. The more the Raiders play him, the less his value will be.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
eastoaklandraider Says: sure he went 1-5 down the stretch which is what all the Hue haters point to ==
I heard somewhere that it was Palmer that lost those games.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
#569…
Totally agree.
#570…
Disagree. At least, you can’t profess with certainty that Taiwan sucks. Especially can’t use the reasoning that “if Taiwan hasnt played it’s because the coaches think he sucks, therefore he does.” — especially when it’s this bunch of coaches making the determination (Knapp especially and DA). Both of whom you know and have criticized already for their personnel/game-planning/play-calling flaws.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
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For the most part if you rank in the top 10 in ypg you will rank in the top 10 in ppg. simple.
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Are you ranking points per game scored by the offense or by the team per game? If it’s team, that explains why Chicago is up on scoring but not offense. I think their defense gets in the end zone and/or puts them in short yardage situations more often than not.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
JB,
I feel your pain about Wylie. My friend is a jr high coach that went to one of his clinics. He said there was high school and college coaches from around the nation that attended.
Wylie and Wiz were a good team.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
It all depends on what you get for DMC because anyone can be traded. But I wouldn’t do it only because you’d be operating from a position of weakness. No one is going to overpay for a injuriy-prone HB NO ONE!.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
3 of top 5 rushing teams employ ZBS, stick with the Scheme , find some players players to fit the scheme , get a durable rb , we should be fine
November 9th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Norco Stooge back to saying the Raiders will lose by 30 but if they win, comes to the blog and is a happy Raider “fan”. LOL
Take your meds son!
November 9th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Yeah. I’m done with DMAC.
I don’t even care anymore if he goes to another team and rips off 1,600 yd’s.
I’m sick of the injuries, the 3.1 yd’s a carry, the getting tackled by his arm, the dropped td passes.
He could’ve been such a big time stud but the Ferrai was always parked in the garage.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Tune to ESPN is u wanna hear ‘em do a little piece on the Raiders.
Comin up next they said.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Norco Stooge back to saying the Raiders will lose by 30 but if they win, comes to the blog and is a happy Raider “fan”. LOL
Take your meds son!
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I prefer to think of Norco as the “Devil’s Advocate:” in rebutting his (often farcical) positions, we can refine our own arguments and points of view.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Zymurge Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
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For the most part if you rank in the top 10 in ypg you will rank in the top 10 in ppg. simple.
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Are you ranking points per game scored by the offense or by the team per game? If it’s team, that explains why Chicago is up on scoring but not offense. I think their defense gets in the end zone and/or puts them in short yardage situations more often than not.
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Exactly that’s what i been trying to tell him , i don’t know why he wants to know the yards, who really cares, we ranked 16th last year , at 19th this year, not much difference
November 9th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
I also bet on the Raiders to lose Sunday Miami dude,..Im happy whether they win or lose,…I still go to every game, whether they win or lose Im ok with it.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
we’re averaging 20 less yards than last year and 1 point less
November 9th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
…but if we hired Kelly, as OC say, McFadden isn’t important. If we run a Knapp offense, McFadden is important, but as said before, can’t be relied upon, cant be a “bell-cow” back
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Not true at all. Knapp’s system is perfect for the guys that aren’t combine specimens. It utilizes those that can read quickly and accurately and then make the most of it. The league is full of recent examples of this:
- Thomas Jones goes from overly high drafted journeyman to star in the NYJ ZBS late in his career.
- Marshawn Lynch revives a floundering career from Buffalo in Seattle only after Cable gets the system working right
- And the most classic is the undrafted backup Arian Foster going on to lead the league in rushing. And when he’s hurt, Ben Tate comes in and makes Foster look like he’s not even needed.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Jon Gruden is the reason we’re in this mess, he also ruined TB franchise too for a bit
November 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Its not Knapps fault the O sucks, and the team sucks,..its the players…mostly DMC and the horrible players on D like Seymour and McLain,…McLain should be released, should have been prior to the season, and Seymour as well,…paycheck players with no heart at all. Seymour used to care, hasnt for years though. McLain is just horrible, total piece of crap.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Sorry McFadden, nobody believes you. Gotta try harder then that. You need to kiss Grudens Superbowl ring.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Wtf are you talking about Mcfadden20?
November 9th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Do u guys realize how much we have going agaisnt us this Sunday?
We haven’t won an early east coast game since 2009.
Balt. has a 14 game home winning streak (longest in the league).
We are playing our 3rd string RB.
We are 3-5 and they are 6-2.
IF we can win on Sunday it would be HUUUUUGE.
How confident are u guys we’ll get it done?
November 9th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
It all depends on what you get for DMC because anyone can be traded. But I wouldn’t do it only because you’d be operating from a position of weakness. No one is going to overpay for a injuriy-prone HB NO ONE!.
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a bit of this…
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DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Yeah. I’m done with DMAC.
I don’t even care anymore if he goes to another team and rips off 1,600 yd’s.
I’m sick of the injuries, the 3.1 yd’s a carry, the getting tackled by his arm, the dropped td passes.
He could’ve been such a big time stud but the Ferrai was always parked in the garage.
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Imo Jerry Jones would pay. Maybe not overpay, but not underpay. But yeah, you’d want something like a conditional pick with McFadden. A 2nd that could turn into a 1st. Or a 3rd that could turn into two 2nds or whatever the team has.
And yeah I’m done with Dmac. He’s had four years of on-field focus. He can be VERY good, in the right scheme, but even in the right scheme, he is perennially out for 8 games a year. If he were contractually signed cheap, sure hold onto him. And use him as a bit player, probably stays healthy then….as priestt correctly deduced before.
But if he’s always going to cost too much, whats the point resigning him for 5 years, making him a bell-cow, and having to deal with the injuries and/or lack of production. Like, clearly Goodson is better suited to ZBS this year, but merely because McFadden is paid starter money and has the high-draft profile of a starter etc, the coaches are beholden to featuring him, even tho game after game after game he’s not performing.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
You dont go to games like I do McFadden,..when Gruden was here it was the best of times,…the talk of the NFL,..now we are an after thought, ranked about 30th or so in power rankings and nobody cares about the Raiders nationally,…a forgotten team. When Jon was here, nothing but excitement. But how would you know.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Raiders 15th in total offense down 6 spots from last year so far.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
And the most classic is the undrafted backup Arian Foster going on to lead the league in rushing. And when he’s hurt, Ben Tate comes in and makes Foster look like he’s not even needed.
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Yeah, they ran all over baltimore in playoffs last year with ben tate and a 3rd stringer at qb, it obviously tells you that, when 5 OL are working together, then you find a RB even from undrafted players and you can run be a successful running team year after year, your team has to to just get it once, then when you get the idea , you can even let your OL go and bring in some undrafter guy at that position and start off where you left off from
November 9th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Raiders 15th in total offense down 6 spots from last year so far.
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Only scoring a point less though , at 21.4 now , with players dropping passes in End zone all year long
November 9th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Since Gruden was sold in the middle of the night its been a decade of embarrassments,…the one year, the Callahan year, yo dont think that was Jons work?…and Jon made sure to the world at the Superbowl whos team the Raiders were,…since that day, just check the records,…the worst in the NFL…now the Raiders have the worst GM in the league, who hired the worst head coach in the league, who hired a failed OC,..and also hired a Stanford defensive asst to be a DC in the NFL…you cant write crap like that, if you did nobody would believe you,…is a mess of extreme proportions. Not fixed anytime soon.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
GG,
Even tho DMAC was playing “soft” and going out of bounds early on many plays he STILL ends up getting injured.
He lasted 8 games. Kinda what the naysayers figured.
Does anybody really think he’s coming back this year?
Been there. Heard the b.s, not buying it.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Wtf are you talking about Mcfadden20?
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He got this old ass players who were good enough for 3-4 years , then all of them eventually retired or got long in the tooth , this is why we’re in this mess, had he drafted a young QB to groom with us, we would have never been in that long slump after Gannon went down, Won ring with TB team that was built by Dungy , relied on Dungy’s D to superbowl and then went down hill from there after Sapp and other retired , went all down from there
November 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
“Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Campbell was mediocre. Everyone knows it and that won’t change from some jack azz going on and on about how under appreciated he was.
Our record breaking golden haired hero is way better. Ask anyone in the nfl v”
I have said this so many times in here!
November 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
It all depends on what you get for DMC because anyone can be traded. But I wouldn’t do it only because you’d be operating from a position of weakness. No one is going to overpay for a injuriy-prone HB NO ONE!.
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Nobody’s going to build an offense around one either, including his current team.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
#589…
See post #595
We’re in agreement, you mistook my previous post. Just saying, in a pro-style offense, McFadden is important. Unfortunately, Knapp’s scheme isn’t best for McFadden. But, even in the right pro-style scheme, McFadden cant be relied on. Gets injured quickly for the remainder of a season (8 games). Ie, a RB like McFadden is important in a pro-style scheme, regardless of the scheme. But if that RB is constantly injured, or can only perform in one particular scheme, a scheme you likely aren’t going to use long-term, then that player is better off being traded. Especially when that player commands a high salary cap figure, is often injured, and mainly due to his high-first-round draft profile is the reason he keeps being utilized as a bell-cow back even tho he always gets injured or cannot perform well in the scheme you are focusing on, then trade him. Or, if you had the balls, you’d start Goodson ahead of him, you’d start the player more suitable to and performing better in the scheme you’re running.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
I got an email from the Raiders today, all of us season tix holders did,..begging us to renew now, within two weeks,…the know how hard its going to be to market a 3-13 team,…if Jon came back the place would sell out the entire 2013 season by June. There ya go.
November 9th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
eastoaklandraider Says: sure he went 1-5 down the stretch which is what all the Hue haters point to ==
I heard somewhere that it was Palmer that lost those games.
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In a must win game late in the season where your Q goes 30 for 40 for almost 400 yards, you score a defensive TD and lose by a point because you didn’t go for two when an extra point was meaningless? Uh, yeah, you SHOULD GET RUN!
November 9th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Mac20, that was a longgggggg time ago.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Some loser in a blog hating on Jon Gruden,..shows what an idiot you are…put it this way, our of 32 teams in the NFL, all but about 2 teams would can their current coach to get Gruden on their sidelines.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Since Gruden was sold in the middle of the night its been a decade of embarrassments,…the one year, the Callahan year, yo dont think that was Jons work?…and Jon made sure to the world at the Superbowl whos team the Raiders were,…since that day, just check the records,…the worst in the NFL…now the Raiders have the worst GM in the league, who hired the worst head coach in the league, who hired a failed OC,..and also hired a Stanford defensive asst to be a DC in the NFL…you cant write crap like that, if you did nobody would believe you,…is a mess of extreme proportions. Not fixed anytime soon.
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Gruden went 8-8 his first 2 years , with a talented team , at that time ,before those 4 big years we just needed a coach to bring the team together and keep it in check , Gruden wouldn’t do sh1t with this team
November 9th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
The only team that wouldnt fire their coach for Gruden is the Niners,..Jim Harbaugh is easily the best coach in the NFL right now.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I have major doubts about Jones.
If he doesn’t get his bell rung he will pull up limp with a hammy trying to get the next gear.
Or….the fumblities will get him benched.
All before the 1st qtr ends.
I don’t have a good feeling about this running game.
Praying for T. Jones to have a great game.
Priesttj is right….Knapp should have been using him in spurts.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I have to admit. IF we are 3-7…and it is a strong possibility, in fact PROBABILITY seeing as we’ll be big underdogs the next two weeks, don’t be surprised if we don’t see a phantom injury to Palmer cause him to ride the bench.
IF that happens, i wanna see Pryor. Leinart in at that point does nothing.
I wanna see what the kid can do in a real game.
I’d be way more interested in watching the games with Pryor in than Leinart if it came down to it..
November 9th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Yeah i understand Gruden was our last winning coach , but get over the guy , he came into good situations , where as DA came into a situation where our D was last in the league last year, strung with salary cap
November 9th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Gruden has sat back, observed and taken in plenty while he’s been in the booth. I think he’s going to come back and take the league by storm.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
..let me clarify that i don’t wish anything to happen to Palmer, but IF it does…Pryor over Leinart.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
“Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Campbell was mediocre. Everyone knows it and that won’t change from some jack azz going on and on about how under appreciated he was.
Our record breaking golden haired hero is way better. Ask anyone in the nfl v”
I have said this so many times in here!
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Honestly you guys I don’t think Mistic is racist. I really don’t. In fact I find him quite informed. I think Mistic has, how do I say this, “preferences”, which I do as well. My preferences which kind of clash in here from time to time is that I like and support the guys wearing silver and black.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
GG,
Even tho DMAC was playing “soft” and going out of bounds early on many plays he STILL ends up getting injured.
He lasted 8 games. Kinda what the naysayers figured.
Does anybody really think he’s coming back this year?
Been there. Heard the b.s, not buying it.
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100% agree.
He has been nursing his body far more this year, that’s patently true. Falling forward on contact, running out of bounds, etc. AND STILL GOT INJURED long-term with the usual foot injury!
And his $$ and high-draft status. The whole “well we have to bell-cow him due to those two things”.
Reggie even had a chance before trade-deadline, if he was really cutting-edge, to call up Jerry. Demarco at the time was injured, Cowboys struggling at RB. Call him, fleece him for a high conditional pick. Install Goodson at starter. Be proactive. A great GM cant be idle and conservative. Try and make things happen. Be forward thinking. Now, Reggie will have to shop around off-season and maybe get a lesser pick for DMac. That’s if he’s even still on contract? Is he a FA next year? I dont know.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
I don’t care much about Mcfadden anymore, he’s a hope killer. Plus, I’m tired of wearing his jersey backwards in hopes I break some kind of spell he was under on Sundays, which was all bullshet. LOL
November 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Gruden cam into good situations?…I think Gruden came here inheriting a 4-12 team. H had no QB, George, Hollis, etc,..and made them good instantly,..got Gannon and made them great.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
What do you guys think? Honestly. Do we have a shot this Sunday?
No koolaid. Whaddya think?
November 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Did you guys see Playbook tonight? They completely ripped Pat Lee & Willie Smith. The plays they spotlighted they looked completely clueless…Of course, McNabb highlighted Reece and what a weapon he is…Maybe he can take over for Knapp-time.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
DMC is done dude, he wont play again this year and traded in off season for 6th rounder.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
DJ,..I dont drink kool aid,..Ravens win by at least 30,..and thats only if in the second half they ease off the throttle. Dont see the Raiders winning another game this year.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
What do you guys think? Honestly. Do we have a shot this Sunday?
No koolaid. Whaddya think?
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IF we play 60 minutes of tough, smart football,
IF our defensive tackles man their lanes and don’t get shoved around like checkers pieces,
IF our middle linebacker knows his assignments and hits the right gaps,
IF our o-line can open some holes for Taiwan, and
IF that same o-line can keep Carson upright,
Then yes, we have a legitimate shot.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
GG,
IF Dmac comes back we may get something halfway decent for him, but i gotta think any GM is gonna look at the track record of injury AND his poor performance this yr. and not wanna give us anything for him.
IF he doesn’t come back his value will plummet even more. No doubt.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
What do you guys think? Honestly. Do we have a shot this Sunday?
No koolaid. Whaddya think?
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I honestly think we do. We’ll amass 130 yds on the ground between our 2 backs and a WR reverse. Palmer will pass for 300 yds and we’ll create one turnover.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Gruden cam into good situations?…I think Gruden came here inheriting a 4-12 team. H had no QB, George, Hollis, etc,..and made them good instantly,..got Gannon and made them great.
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We only had 3 losing seasons dating back to 1989 before Gruden took over in 1998, he went couple of 8-8 seasons before finally breaking through in his 3rd year, so give DA some time, he will do wonderful things next year with some money to spend
November 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Gruden will likely be head coaching the Eagles or Browns next season.
No point pining for Gruden when he’s eyeing those openings.
I’d rather move on from that distant past too. I’d rather hire a Chip Kelly or Mike Leach, with their inventive ideas. Gruden is still WCO. I really don’t like the WCO or hybrid WCO. Even if it’s a proven success. I prefer more vertical aggressive ideas.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
IF we play 60 minutes of tough, smart football,
IF our defensive tackles man their lanes and don’t get shoved around like checkers pieces,
IF our middle linebacker knows his assignments and hits the right gaps,
IF our o-line can open some holes for Taiwan, and
IF that same o-line can keep Carson upright,
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In other words, we’re going to get stomped, lol.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Wtf are you talking about Mcfadden20?
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He got this old ass players who were good enough for 3-4 years , then all of them eventually retired or got long in the tooth , this is why we’re in this mess, had he drafted a young QB to groom with us, we would have never been in that long slump after Gannon went down, Won ring with TB team that was built by Dungy , relied on Dungy’s D to superbowl and then went down hill from there after Sapp and other retired , went all down from there
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I have to agree with Mcfadden20 here, Gruden is an avg coach at best, as we saw in TB, never got their O going because he didnt have an MVP Caliber Qb like gannon at his disposal. Gruden may succeed somewhere like SD where they have a good QB already in place. Gruden isnt a developmental type coach he needs a ready made team to succeed.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Gruden will likely be head coaching the Eagles or Browns next season.
No point pining for Gruden when he’s eyeing those openings.
I’d rather move on from that distant past too. I’d rather hire a Chip Kelly or Mike Leach, with their inventive ideas. Gruden is still WCO. I really don’t like the WCO or hybrid WCO. Even if it’s a proven success. I prefer more vertical aggressive ideas.
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I still don’t see Chucky leaving the booth. He’s getting paid more money and has way less workload. He’s not shooting down the rumors because they feed his ego and it might lead to a big $$$ extension with ESPN.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
625,
Ha. I laugh but you’re right. ALOT has to go our way to win this one.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
What do you guys think? Honestly. Do we have a shot this Sunday?
No koolaid. Whaddya think?
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Of course we have a shot, but if I was a betting man I would bet against us.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
GG,
IF Dmac comes back we may get something halfway decent for him, but i gotta think any GM is gonna look at the track record of injury AND his poor performance this yr. and not wanna give us anything for him.
IF he doesn’t come back his value will plummet even more. No doubt.
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Yep. Still a little peeved with Reggie for not seeing a golden opportunity just before trade deadline with Jerry Jones and their Murray injured long-term.
We should all go cold on Dmac from now on here. He’s had his chances. It’s time to start rooting for Taiwan and Pryor. Wanting to and getting the opportunity to see them actually on-field for 2 consistent years to THEN properly judge them and decide THUMBSUP or THUMBSDOWN.
Us blog Emperors, time to stand up and THUMBSDOWN McFadden’s Raider career and move on to other players.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
DJ,..I dont drink kool aid,..Ravens win by at least 30,..and thats only if in the second half they ease off the throttle. Dont see the Raiders winning another game this year.
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That’s a grim prognosis.
If we lose by 30 pt’s.? Wow. What then?
I guess we can pick it up the next week…against Brees. Aaaarrrgh.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Another idea is Sean Payton. If his contract is truly invalidated. And the Saints can’t get him re-signed. He’ll be a FA.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
“Dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Campbell was mediocre. Everyone knows it and that won’t change from some jack azz going on and on about how under appreciated he was.
Our record breaking golden haired hero is way better. Ask anyone in the nfl v”
I have said this so many times in here!
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Honestly you guys I don’t think Mistic is racist. I really don’t. In fact I find him quite informed. I think Mistic has, how do I say this, “preferences”, which I do as well. My preferences which kind of clash in here from time to time is that I like and support the guys wearing silver and black.
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I agree Bush.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
DJ,..I dont drink kool aid,..Ravens win by at least 30,..and thats only if in the second half they ease off the throttle. Dont see the Raiders winning another game this year.
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That’s a grim prognosis.
If we lose by 30 pt’s.? Wow. What then?
I guess we can pick it up the next week…against Brees. Aaaarrrgh.
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Remember that Norco is often intentionally pessimistic.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Wtf are you talking about Mcfadden20?
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He got this old ass players who were good enough for 3-4 years , then all of them eventually retired or got long in the tooth , this is why we’re in this mess, had he drafted a young QB to groom with us, we would have never been in that long slump after Gannon went down, Won ring with TB team that was built by Dungy , relied on Dungy’s D to superbowl and then went down hill from there after Sapp and other retired , went all down from there
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I have to agree with Mcfadden20 here, Gruden is an avg coach at best, as we saw in TB, never got their O going because he didnt have an MVP Caliber Qb like gannon at his disposal. Gruden may succeed somewhere like SD where they have a good QB already in place. Gruden isnt a developmental type coach he needs a ready made team to succeed.
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Exactly he’s not the coach for a development team or if your team consists of mostly young players…
98 was way better than what DA took over , so no comparison between the 2
November 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] McFadden, Goodson and Seymour no-gos As expected, running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson, as well as defensive tackle Richard Seymour, won’t play Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens. Raiders coach Dennis Allen said as much after his team wrapped up its third and final prac… [...]
November 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
GG, I see where you’re going with this and you know what…if we are 3-7 then seeing Pryor come in will be the only excitement I see getting gleaned from the rest of the season.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
LAKERS!!!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Gruden neglected drafting any players and grooming them ,he lived and died with only guys who were future HOF’s BROWN, RICE, WOODSON, and others, then when all those retired or moved on we had nothing left, no PLayer we drafted in 98 to rely on, no player drafted in 99 to rely on , it goes on and on
November 9th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Going 1-3 for the Lakers was the best thing to happen to them , we were not going to go any where with M Brown, he’s a guy who can work with those extra motor guys and build a good D , and live with 1 guy scoring most of the points , but working with all stars just comes with so many problems
November 9th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
I’m trying to be optimistic in imagining how glorious it would be to beat Balt. on Sunday and then do the same to Brees the week after.
With all the suffering we’ve had to endure, seems like we deserve something good like that to happen to us, but it seems so damn improbable.
Too used to the drubbings and the “if we would’ve just done this or that we woudl’ve won” stuff.
Here’s an idea. How about comin’ thru for us this weekend instead. How’s that for an idea?
I feel like i’m always begging and pleading for a nice win or two. I’m sick of it.
Win some games for us. Make us happy for once.
Thank you.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
I’m trying to be optimistic in imagining how glorious it would be to beat Balt. on Sunday and then do the same to Brees the week after.
With all the suffering we’ve had to endure, seems like we deserve something good like that to happen to us, but it seems so damn improbable.
Too used to the drubbings and the “if we would’ve just done this or that we woudl’ve won” stuff.
Here’s an idea. How about comin’ thru for us this weekend instead. How’s that for an idea?
I feel like i’m always begging and pleading for a nice win or two. I’m sick of it.
Win some games for us. Make us happy for once.
Thank you.
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I feel we can pull this off, 27-20. enjoy
November 9th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
GG, I see where you’re going with this and you know what…if we are 3-7 then seeing Pryor come in will be the only excitement I see getting gleaned from the rest of the season.
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Lol, yep. Look, for sure Palmer is the best QB we’ve had for years. And he’s a trooper too. Really studies and teaches everyone under him, a leader, and has the arm and can make all the throws etc etc. But yeah. And I agree with whomever also said….no point playing Leinart at all. It’s gotta be Palmer or Pryor at some point, to assess him. Leinart was ONLY brought in just in case Palmer went down early or if we still had playoff contention.
Mathematically we do, but it’s probable that if we go 3-6, 3-7, we’ll see Pryor starting.
Even if Palmer is going to remain here next year, get him out there and assess, with Palmer helping him develop.
And Sunday…time to root for Taiwan. McFadden is yesterdays hope.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
You know what i’m really sick of? I’m sick of looking at games on the schedule and having a dreaded feeling in my stomach.
I wanna turn on my tv and see my Raiders kicking some arse. That’s what I want.
I wanna see New Orleans on the schedule and KNOWING we are gonna beat ‘em, instead of devising complicated scenarios in my mind of how we MAY be able to hang with ‘em and maybe get lucky and eek out a win.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
And you’re on point…3-6, 3-7, harder and harder to sell tickets, as JONGRUDEN already explained with the Raider emails already coming looking for people to buy tickets. Seeing what we have with Pryor, Jones, Bergstrom, etc…that’s what’ll sell tickets ONCE the season is in a 3-6 nose-dive. Fans will take enjoyment in such a lost-cause season purely to assess our future prospect young’uns.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
go 8-8 this year, we’re def making playoffs next year
November 9th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
The only team that wouldnt fire their coach for Gruden is the Niners,..Jim Harbaugh is easily the best coach in the NFL right now.
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Love the Whiners much? Harbaugh hasn’t proven anything in this league. He inherited a team with a scary good defense in a very weak division. He added just enough offense to make them not choke games away. Much the way that Gruden did in Tampa when Dungy could build defense all day but couldn’t get the offense out of the cellar. I assert that there are 10 other offensive minded HCs that would have done as well as Harbaugh did in that situation. Moreso, I don’t believe that Harbaugh would be doing any better than DA would be now with the Raiders siutation, inheriting a team with such a hole filled defense.
BTW — the hands down best coach in the league (as much as it pains me to say) is Belichek. Everyone that plays in his system, including and especially Brady, end up playing way better than they would in other systems. He takes scrubs that can’t make other people’s rosters on defense and makes them serviceable starters. He innovates before others around creative things like the two athletic TE approach. And more than anything else: he always ensures that he has a dominant OL around which everything else ticks!
The last point is key. Cable got it, but he couldn’t get the rest going as an HC. Gibbs made that work for the Skins in the 80s, and Parcells has done a good job of the same at his stops. And under Gruden’s Raiders (with Cable doing the coaching) that OL had a great running game and all the time Gannon never had before to make him an MVP.
And Knapp gets it by creating a system that allows non-stars to play at higher levels, although it does take time and finding the right personnel.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
We as fans buy into the whole thing and feel like we are literally part of what’s going on and all that, and then i start to think it’s my job to watch the team and be proud to be a Raider fan.
It’s THEIR job to put it all together and present something to be proud of when i turn on the tv on Sunday.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Regarding whether or not missdick is a racist, lets consider the evidence:
1) drones on and on about black quarterbacks. Any of them.
he is only slightly less racist than fangs, only because he’s too much of a coward to say it plainly.
2) regardless of stats and professional regard by experts, he swears Campbell was great and Palmer, on pace to throw for the most yards in Raider history, is horrible.
3) he continually says we are racists if we don’t agree with him.
4) he claims America hates black people, even though we voted for a black president. Twice.
5) he says there is white supremacy everywhere, including the moderators.
6) he is sick enough to compare us to killers of black men.
7) he is responsible for nearly all of the racism talk here.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Thing is the Raiders CAN win these games. They just keep doing stuff to screw it up.
I’m having a Raider meltdown. Lol.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
We as fans buy into the whole thing and feel like we are literally part of what’s going on and all that, and then i start to think it’s my job to watch the team and be proud to be a Raider fan.
It’s THEIR job to put it all together and present something to be proud of when i turn on the tv on Sunday.
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We’re like Al himself. We’re emotionally-historically invested. Guys like Knapp and Allen…it’s just financial/employment investment. They’re hired guns. It’s only the fans and Al himself who bled silver and black. Allen hamming it up with Fox. Kiffin downplaying the divisional/Chiefs rivalry thing. These guys are just employers. Amy, Reggie, Madden, Flores, Gannon, Brown, Romanowski, Plunkett, Stabler, etc, etc, PLUS, the diehard fans. We’re the only ones who forever stay Raiders.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Hey everyone.. am only able to post occasionally these days.
So.. Stanford Routt.. #2 biggest overpaid POS in the history of the Raiders behind He Who May Not Be Named?
November 9th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Speaking of cowards, beech hasn’t been around much since the Lakers are losing. Such a punk it’s hard to fathom.
November 9th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
GG, I see where you’re going with this and you know what…if we are 3-7 then seeing Pryor come in will be the only excitement I see getting gleaned from the rest of the season.
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Not sure what you consider excitement, unless that invloves watching the Raiders offense flounder as much as the defense is.
What will be the same with TP instead of CP3 under center:
- Offense will not be able to run the ball
- QBs will turn the ball over more than we like
- Raiders fans will be booing the QB again
What will be different:
- TP will get some rushing yards as QB, maybe more than the RBs will
- The amount of turnovers will go way up as defenses figure out that he can’t read a blitz, shift or any other disguised coverages
- The offense will pass for under 150 yards per game
- TPs trade value will go from speculative and worth a flyer to some team down to worthless when people see tape that exposes just how unintelligent he is
November 9th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
well know that the free world has been reassured that americans are stupid..we can go back to exposing how bad the three stooges have messed this team up…reggie, da and krappy really are disgusting in their lack of football knowledge..
November 9th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
*now
November 9th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
DJ Johnny Says: How confident are u guys we’ll get it done?================================================
Screw all the realists. Raiders gonna romp!
November 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
– Willie Smith is going to remain the starting right offensive tackle for now, Allen said.
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I plead to the football gods that this doesn’t happen.
Fk it, give Bergstrom a chance, Really? Can it be worse?
November 9th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
These were the darkest Raider days…
Year — Starting QBs — (Games played)
2010 — Jason Campbell (12) / Bruce Gradkowski (4)
2009 — JaMarcus Russell (9) / Charlie Frye (3)
2008 — JaMarcus Russell (15) / Andrew Walter (1)
2007 — Josh McCown (9) / Daunte Culpepper (6) / JaMarcus Russell (1)
2006 — Andrew Walter (8) / Aaron Brooks (8)
November 9th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
While the HJ apologists spout this and that they never address the FACT we were outscored in the 2nd half of games he was HC almost 2-1.The guy was a good OC,but he wasn’t a good HC.Cable was a better HC.HJ was a better OC.Why can’t the apologists acknowledge that FACT.HJ ran the offense better when Cable was in charge than he did when he was in charge.FACT.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
The Warriors are playing some “old timers” game in LA? When did they NBA start doing that?
November 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Palmer is a bridge between that mess before and a future franchise QB.
Pryor is merely a potential future franchise QB. If/When the Raiders end up 3-6, 3-7, it’s time to ‘get real’ as an organization and start planning ahead for 2012.
Got to instal Pryor and see what we have, not just us, but the coaches. That’s got to mean 6+ consecutive games to ALSO assess his ability to learn and correct mistakes made from a week-to-week actually playing basis. Taking all team reps, involved in game-planning, taking the position of the team leader in team meetings and how he can ascend on-field or not as a team leader in huddles and certain game situations.
Basically, like what Russell Wilson has been able to achieve this year purely because he was starting from game one consistently. Ex, recently, Sidney Rice has mentioned how Wilson every week leaves notes in the receivers’ lockerrooms after spending all night studying film breaking down the next opponent, working on CBs and coverages that the receivers can exploit. He did NOT do this at first. Bit by bit, he assumes the ‘leader’ role, grows into the position.
Pryor needs to be afforded such a situation in order to properly assess his future prospects as a franchise QB BEFORE next year’s draft. Before we go out and invest a 1st round pick on Smith/Manuel.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Whut up beyotches!!!!!!!
Anyone catch the license plate of that semi that ran over the Raiders last week?
November 9th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
These were the darkest Raider days…
Year — Starting QBs — (Games played)
2010 — Jason Campbell (12) / Bruce Gradkowski (4)
2009 — JaMarcus Russell (9) / Charlie Frye (3)
2008 — JaMarcus Russell (15) / Andrew Walter (1)
2007 — Josh McCown (9) / Daunte Culpepper (6) / JaMarcus Russell (1)
2006 — Andrew Walter (8) / Aaron Brooks (8) ================================================= THAT’S WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOUR QB IS A DUMB BABOON!!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Whut up beyotches!!!!!!!
Anyone catch the license plate of that semi that ran over the Raiders last week?
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It was DM-251
November 9th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Didn’t realize Walter, Frye, and McCown were african-american.
Idiot.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Walter, Frye, McCown, Gradkowski…as bad as Brooks, Russell, Campbell.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
How can a team that did so well defensively against the Falcons suck so bad at home against the Bucs?
F/U btw to any of you that think I’m a ‘hater.’ I’ve been a Raider fan since before many of you were born or stopped suckin’ on mommy.
McFragile’s out now? I told ya they should’a traded his sorry a88 long ago.
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GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Whut up beyotches!!!!!!!
Anyone catch the license plate of that semi that ran over the Raiders last week?
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It was DM-251
November 9th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Raidernationdave Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
How can a team that did so well defensively against the Falcons suck so bad at home against the Bucs?
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Honestly, and seriously. Imo it was an indication of what Tommy Kelly said during the week. Upon hearing Carl Nicks was out injured all year for the Bucs. The Guard whom Martin had all year run behind 60% of the time, and had a 6.0 ypc behind, compared to other OL averaging only about 3.1.
Kelly said…we wanted to go against Nicks, against the best, and beat their best. But with Nicks out, beating them will just give them an excuse why. It’ll be much easier now to beat them.
Just me hypothesizing, but imo the whole defensive gameplan was like, we don’t have to worry about the running game as much, we can go half-azzed against the run, got to focus on stopping V.Jackson, M.Williams, J.Freeman.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
I feel we can pull this off, 27-20. enjoy
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We’re gonna win an early east coast game for the first time since 2009 against a 6-2 team and end their 14 game home winning streak (longest current streak in the league right now).
I’ll be doing jumping jacks of happiness if we do.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
674,
To me that lack of focus and “letting up” mentality has been plaguing us for years now.
Why did i think DA was gonna put a stop to that?
November 9th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Good thing for Miami they didn’t fire Spoelstra after starting out 8-9 two yr’s ago.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Regarding whether or not missdick is a racist, lets consider the evidence:
1) drones on and on about black quarterbacks. Any of them.
he is only slightly less racist than fangs, only because he’s too much of a coward to say it plainly.
2) regardless of stats and professional regard by experts, he swears Campbell was great and Palmer, on pace to throw for the most yards in Raider history, is horrible.
3) he continually says we are racists if we don’t agree with him.
4) he claims America hates black people, even though we voted for a black president. Twice.
5) he says there is white supremacy everywhere, including the moderators.
6) he is sick enough to compare us to killers of black men.
7) he is responsible for nearly all of the racism talk here.
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9) He is happy everyone is talking about him and only him… because he is either a complete moron, or a troll.
If he is a moron, he is happy because he no other life. If he is a troll, he is happy because he is playing everyone like they are morons.
This forum is almost unreadable anymore.
Please… anyone saying a backup QB holding a clipboard in the NFL (Campbell) when there is a ton of NFL teams with no QBs at all… is better than a starting QB in the top 15 is trolling or a moron.
Neither deserve any mention.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
“THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE !!!! = VINCE YOUNG…TAVARIS JACKSCOON….QUINCY CARTER….BYRON LEFTDITCH….SHAWN KING….AARON BROOKS….ANDRE WARE…AKILI SMITH….TROY SMITH….DUMBOVAN MCNABB….JACARCAS RUSSELL…DUMMY CULPEPPER…ROHAN DAVEY….JOE HAMILTON….ANDRE WOODSON….TONY BANKS…TOMMIE FRAZIER…ADRIAN MCPHERSON….DAVID GARRAD….CLEO LEMON….TEE MARTIN….MICHAEL BISHOP….ANTHONY WRIGHT…CHARLIE BATCH…JUICE WILLIAMS…MICHAEL ROBINSON….PAT WHITE…JOSH JOHNSON….SENECA WALLACE….DENNIS DIXON = LMFAO!!!!! WHAT A LIST OF LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
674,
To me that lack of focus and “letting up” mentality has been plaguing us for years now.
Why did i think DA was gonna put a stop to that?
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We’re often out-coached/prepared during the week, and during the game.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Didn’t realize Walter, Frye, and McCown were african-american.
Idiot. ====================== YOUR LIST IS 70% BABOON STARTS….so using Obongo math…if you are 50% Baboon you ARE 100% Baboon !!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
8-8 is going to be a stretch for this team. 7-9 is doable, but they could easily finish 5-11 or 6-10 also.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I see people are pointing out that McFadden was Franco Harris’ing it this season running out of bounds, and still got hurt.
I said it when it was happening. What is he saving it for? Not a snowballs chance in hell he was going to be a 400 touch, 16 game back.
So when the game was slipping away in Miami, and he ran a beautifully called and executed screen pass, and decided to cadillac it OOB 2 yards before the sticks, 99.9% of the people in here blamed Knapp, for whatever reason.
McFadden is not great, and struggles to be good from week to week.
He has about 500 career touches left in his body in the NFL at a productive level, if that.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Palmer is a bridge between that mess before and a future franchise QB.
Pryor is merely a potential future franchise QB. If/When the Raiders end up 3-6, 3-7, it’s time to ‘get real’ as an organization and start planning ahead for 2012.
Got to instal Pryor and see what we have, not just us, but the coaches. That’s got to mean 6+ consecutive games [...]
Pryor needs to be afforded such a situation in order to properly assess his future prospects as a franchise QB BEFORE next year’s draft. Before we go out and invest a 1st round pick on Smith/Manuel.
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I agree an awful lot with the strategy to see your next high potential QB in action. Wilson clearly earned his way into that role by schooling the guys in front of him in preseason. Remember that highly sought after Flynn guy that they went and got as the heir apparent? oops …
My issue is that Pryor is not a high potential guy. He simply isn’t smart enough to play QB in this league. Get over it Radiers fans, it was a bad pick. If the team goes out and commits 6 games of a season into chasing a very low chance of success, then that needs to be weighed against the damage it will do the rest of the team.
Take Palmer out of an offense that is heavily based on complex reads at NFL speed and put someone in that I highly doubt can handle that part of the game and what will happen? The offense will grind to a halt. The WRs development will slow considerably. The OL and RBs will be facing 8-9 in the box all day making their learning curve steeper. The defense will spend more time on the field, getting more tired and prone to mistakes, undermining their confidence. And Pryor will hang guys up on poor throws setting up potentially serious injuries.
Yes, this is not just about the QB, it’s about the team. If you are going to invest in grooming the QB of the future, you better have high confidence he is that guy of the future.
Based on the way DA and staff are treating Pryor thus far, they see what I’m thinking that they are. They didn’t draft him so aren’t walking assuming that he is of NFL caliber. Nor do they have Al around telling them that he is and must be played. They are seeing a QB that doesn’t have the mental faculties for the game at this level. That’s why he’s getting no opportunites.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
fangsraiders Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
“THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE !!!! = VINCE YOUNG…TAVARIS JACKSCOON….QUINCY CARTER….BYRON LEFTDITCH….SHAWN KING….AARON BROOKS….ANDRE WARE…AKILI SMITH….TROY SMITH….DUMBOVAN MCNABB….JACARCAS RUSSELL…DUMMY CULPEPPER…ROHAN DAVEY….JOE HAMILTON….ANDRE WOODSON….TONY BANKS…TOMMIE FRAZIER…ADRIAN MCPHERSON….DAVID GARRAD….CLEO LEMON….TEE MARTIN….MICHAEL BISHOP….ANTHONY WRIGHT…CHARLIE BATCH…JUICE WILLIAMS…MICHAEL ROBINSON….PAT WHITE…JOSH JOHNSON….SENECA WALLACE….DENNIS DIXON = LMFAO!!!!! WHAT A LIST OF LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You forgot to mention all the white athletic dual-threat QBs in college over the years who failed to even get drafted in the NFL as ‘next wave’ QBs.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
You know what i’m really sick of? I’m sick of looking at games on the schedule and having a dreaded feeling in my stomach.
I wanna turn on my tv and see my Raiders kicking some arse. That’s what I want.
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Three words good buddy:
Ten and then
November 9th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
fangsraiders Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
“THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE !!!! = VINCE YOUNG…TAVARIS JACKSCOON….QUINCY CARTER….BYRON LEFTDITCH….SHAWN KING….AARON BROOKS….ANDRE WARE…AKILI SMITH….TROY SMITH….DUMBOVAN MCNABB….JACARCAS RUSSELL…DUMMY CULPEPPER…ROHAN DAVEY….JOE HAMILTON….ANDRE WOODSON….TONY BANKS…TOMMIE FRAZIER…ADRIAN MCPHERSON….DAVID GARRAD….CLEO LEMON….TEE MARTIN….MICHAEL BISHOP….ANTHONY WRIGHT…CHARLIE BATCH…JUICE WILLIAMS…MICHAEL ROBINSON….PAT WHITE…JOSH JOHNSON….SENECA WALLACE….DENNIS DIXON = LMFAO!!!!! WHAT A LIST OF LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FOAD moron loser piece of crap white trash dweeb.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
GG-Pryor doesn’t deserve to play or he would be playing.The coaches don’t need him to play so they can evaluate him,they see him in practice every day.To me it was telling when a week or so ago they brought in a QB for a work-out.If Pryor was showing anything at all,why bring someone in?The guy is a great athlete,but that doesn’t mean he is an NFL QB.It is the same old story-fans say he has to play so ‘we’ can see what he is while the coaches see him EVERYDAY-they know what he is.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
686,
Yes JFB. You speaketh words of sound, practical wisdom.
Screw it. 20 and then.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Zymurge Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Palmer is a bridge between that mess before and a future franchise QB.
Pryor is merely a potential future franchise QB. If/When the Raiders end up 3-6, 3-7, it’s time to ‘get real’ as an organization and start planning ahead for 2012.
Got to instal Pryor and see what we have, not just us, but the coaches. That’s got to mean 6+ consecutive games [...]
Pryor needs to be afforded such a situation in order to properly assess his future prospects as a franchise QB BEFORE next year’s draft. Before we go out and invest a 1st round pick on Smith/Manuel.
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I agree an awful lot with the strategy to see your next high potential QB in action. Wilson clearly earned his way into that role by schooling the guys in front of him in preseason. Remember that highly sought after Flynn guy that they went and got as the heir apparent? oops …
My issue is that Pryor is not a high potential guy. He simply isn’t smart enough to play QB in this league. Get over it Radiers fans, it was a bad pick. If the team goes out and commits 6 games of a season into chasing a very low chance of success, then that needs to be weighed against the damage it will do the rest of the team.
Take Palmer out of an offense that is heavily based on complex reads at NFL speed and put someone in that I highly doubt can handle that part of the game and what will happen? The offense will grind to a halt. The WRs development will slow considerably. The OL and RBs will be facing 8-9 in the box all day making their learning curve steeper. The defense will spend more time on the field, getting more tired and prone to mistakes, undermining their confidence. And Pryor will hang guys up on poor throws setting up potentially serious injuries.
Yes, this is not just about the QB, it’s about the team. If you are going to invest in grooming the QB of the future, you better have high confidence he is that guy of the future.
Based on the way DA and staff are treating Pryor thus far, they see what I’m thinking that they are. They didn’t draft him so aren’t walking assuming that he is of NFL caliber. Nor do they have Al around telling them that he is and must be played. They are seeing a QB that doesn’t have the mental faculties for the game at this level. That’s why he’s getting no opportunites.
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The only issue I have with your response is that we cannot know for certain until one has been afforded the proper chance. I could agree with you that Pryor might not ever because of whatever…but i will only come to that conclusion once there’s a body of proof. Look how bad Weeden and Luck started. Growing pains are expected. Especially as Pryor has had to work on so many fundamentals, basic mechanics, that those two didn’t. Pryor’s mountain is taller. But that’s why you give it 6+ games. Got to see if theres that from-game-to-game progress being made. Mistakes made corrected next time around. Things that can only be learned in live game situations and live between game film study situations.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
McBabyMaker can’t carry Mark VanEeghen’s jock strap.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
What are the coaches telling a team if they decided to throw in the towel and play Pryor over Carson?They are saying that they are giving up on the players that deserve and have earned playing time.This isn’t college where once you are out of contention you play your highly recruited freshman QB over the senior(like Cal should do) who has stunk up the place all season.In the big leagues you try to win every game and you play your best players.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Flacco loves to chuck it deep, hope our safeties pull their head out of their azz and learn to track the deep ball in flight.
If it isn’t bad enough they let guys open behind them, they compound it by screwing up their path to the ball with horrible angles, mistimed jumps, and not locating the ball in the first place.
Draft a Safety. A REAL safety.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Gdog Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
fangsraiders Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
“THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE !!!! = VINCE YOUNG…TAVARIS JACKSCOON….QUINCY CARTER….BYRON LEFTDITCH….SHAWN KING….AARON BROOKS….ANDRE WARE…AKILI SMITH….TROY SMITH….DUMBOVAN MCNABB….JACARCAS RUSSELL…DUMMY CULPEPPER…ROHAN DAVEY….JOE HAMILTON….ANDRE WOODSON….TONY BANKS…TOMMIE FRAZIER…ADRIAN MCPHERSON….DAVID GARRAD….CLEO LEMON….TEE MARTIN….MICHAEL BISHOP….ANTHONY WRIGHT…CHARLIE BATCH…JUICE WILLIAMS…MICHAEL ROBINSON….PAT WHITE…JOSH JOHNSON….SENECA WALLACE….DENNIS DIXON = LMFAO!!!!! WHAT A LIST OF LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FOAD moron loser piece of crap white trash dweeb. ========================================== AWWWWWWW DOES THE TRUTH HURT??? = your baboon QB’s all SUCK..deal with it ……and thanks for the compliments!….your attempt at trying to make yourself feel superior to MY WHITE RACE is amusing.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
G-DOG ?….too bad mike vick also know as “ron mexico” did not have the chance to torture and electrocute you.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
fangsraiders Says: YOUR LIST IS 70% BABOON STARTS….so using Obongo math…if you are 50% Baboon you ARE 100% Baboon !!!!========================================
Wow. This guys deft manipulation of numbers is reminding me of someone. Wait, don’t tell me, it’ll come. Right on the tip of my tongue…
November 9th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
GG,using your logic every player is a bridge to the next.Palmer,barring injury will be our QB for 3-6 more years.In the NFL that is a lifetime.The object is to win as soon as possible,not plan for 7 years down the road.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Bartell gets injured 1st game his final yr. of the season and misses entire yr.
Bartell getis injured his 1st game coming back and is out another half of a season.
What’s next on Sunday?
Can he make it thru the game without a season ending injury?
Stay tuned to find out.
30 and then.
November 9th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Not sure what you consider excitement, unless that invloves watching the Raiders offense flounder as much as the defense is.
What will be the same with TP instead of CP3 under center:
- Offense will not be able to run the ball
- QBs will turn the ball over more than we like
- Raiders fans will be booing the QB again
What will be different:
- TP will get some rushing yards as QB, maybe more than the RBs will
- The amount of turnovers will go way up as defenses figure out that he can’t read a blitz, shift or any other disguised coverages
- The offense will pass for under 150 yards per game
- TPs trade value will go from speculative and worth a flyer to some team down to worthless when people see tape that exposes just how unintelligent he is
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Son if Matt Leinart can learn and perform a little in this offense TP6 can do a lot especially when the idea of intellect comes in. Matt Leinart isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer by any stretch. And as far as Palmer puts it TP is doing quite well and Pryor says he’s getting better everyday. I’m going to chalk this up as another ignorant statement instead of what I really think it is. Giving you the benefit of the doubt. I’ve watched as much of TPryor as anyone and son intellect is NOT an issue with that kid. Technigue maybe but the kid has no issues in that dept, in fact I think he beats Leinart hands down.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Lefty, then what do we do with this Pryor fellow?
November 9th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
GG-Pryor doesn’t deserve to play or he would be playing.The coaches don’t need him to play so they can evaluate him,they see him in practice every day.To me it was telling when a week or so ago they brought in a QB for a work-out.If Pryor was showing anything at all,why bring someone in?The guy is a great athlete,but that doesn’t mean he is an NFL QB.It is the same old story-fans say he has to play so ‘we’ can see what he is while the coaches see him EVERYDAY-they know what he is.
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Not entirely true.
I touched on this before in a previous post from a previous week.
The only reason a #3 doesnt climb a depth chart is PURELY to do with playbook absorption. The coaches not able to rely on him to know the nuances of every play, that he can command the huddle, communicate the nomenclature of the play correctly, understand where everyone is meant to align, correct any out of place WRs/RBs/TEs at the LOS, understand the nuances of that play like the depth of the safety required to decide then whether to hot-route a particular receiver or carry out the pump-fake to the first read in order to execute to the designated second-read receiver, etc. Get the play called in time, get to the LOS, read what needs to be read, and know whether to make correct audibles or not etc. Plus, not knowing the playbook well, means the OC has to dumb down the game-plan, cant call more diverse and complex gameplans.
These are the reasons why a QB does not move up from #3 to #2 or #1 because they see THAT part of it in training. Still not in command.
But there’s a whole world of QB evaluation that can only be assessed from actual live game situations. Best way to put it…
When a GM/HC desires a rookie QB to be their starter, they know that there’s all that babysitting to be done for 1-2 years. Newton, RGIII, Roethlisberger, etc…they all get given one side of the field to focus on, or one-read plays, or plays they’re accustomed to in college.
If this staff was genuinely interested in Pryor, they’d genuinely get him out there once we hit 3-6. Even if Palmer were to stay another year or two, and they wanna make a run for the playoffs next year, that’s all fine. They’d still want to get Pryor out there, totally understanding Pryor has a long ways to go, that he’ll make a ton of errors, that they can’t call a full and complex gameplan with him, etc. Because they still need to assess his on-field ability post-snap, and whether he can absorb and learn from game by game situationals.
If Pryor is inactive like this, and remaining #3, that’s still not an indication that the staff don’t envision him as a POTENTIAL future prospect. It just means they’re still trying to win this year, and when we’re mathematically/realistically out, they’ll start Pryor to assess him.
If they don’t whatsoever all year…THEN we can ‘worry’ or say “told ya so” that the coaching staff do not even want to assess him in those in-game situations at all. That they want to draft their own QB.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
fangsraiders Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
“THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE !!!! = VINCE YOUNG…TAVARIS JACKSCOON….QUINCY CARTER….BYRON LEFTDITCH….SHAWN KING….AARON BROOKS….ANDRE WARE…AKILI SMITH….TROY SMITH….DUMBOVAN MCNABB….JACARCAS RUSSELL…DUMMY CULPEPPER…ROHAN DAVEY….JOE HAMILTON….ANDRE WOODSON….TONY BANKS…TOMMIE FRAZIER…ADRIAN MCPHERSON….DAVID GARRAD….CLEO LEMON….TEE MARTIN….MICHAEL BISHOP….ANTHONY WRIGHT…CHARLIE BATCH…JUICE WILLIAMS…MICHAEL ROBINSON….PAT WHITE…JOSH JOHNSON….SENECA WALLACE….DENNIS DIXON = LMFAO!!!!! WHAT A LIST OF LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You forgot to mention all the white athletic dual-threat QBs in college over the years who failed to even get drafted in the NFL as ‘next wave’ QBs. ========================== NO need to mention them…anyone that knows PRO football, knows that WHITE – SMART – “IN THE POCKET” – LEADERS are the QB’s that WIN in the NFL…..EVERYTHING the baboon QB WILL NEVER HAVE.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
fangsraiders Says: YOUR LIST IS 70% BABOON STARTS….so using Obongo math…if you are 50% Baboon you ARE 100% Baboon !!!!========================================
Wow. This guys deft manipulation of numbers is reminding me of someone. Wait, don’t tell me, it’ll come. Right on the tip of my tongue… ========================= OH LOOK ANOTHER BABOON THAT CAN’T DO MATH….NO SURPRISE THERE.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
“THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE !!!! = VINCE YOUNG…TAVARIS JACKSCOON….QUINCY CARTER….BYRON LEFTDITCH….SHAWN KING….AARON BROOKS….ANDRE WARE…AKILI SMITH….TROY SMITH….DUMBOVAN MCNABB….JACARCAS RUSSELL…DUMMY CULPEPPER…ROHAN DAVEY….JOE HAMILTON….ANDRE WOODSON….TONY BANKS…TOMMIE FRAZIER…ADRIAN MCPHERSON….DAVID GARRAD….CLEO LEMON….TEE MARTIN….MICHAEL BISHOP….ANTHONY WRIGHT…CHARLIE BATCH…JUICE WILLIAMS…MICHAEL ROBINSON….PAT WHITE…JOSH JOHNSON….SENECA WALLACE….DENNIS DIXON = LMFAO!!!!! WHAT A LIST OF LOSERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
=========== OH HOW DID I MISS MIKE DOGKILLER VICK & TURDELL PRYOR
November 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
I think that statement is the reason Mistic1 as well as myself get a little upset at the stigma that comes with any black QB. The question is always ‘is he smart enough’no matter who the kid is. If he’s black it’s ‘I don’t think he has the smarts’ and I’m telling ya’ in ll my years watching football and listening to sports commentators formal and informal I’ve only heard them say that about a white QB maybe twice. But they say it about every black QB save a few, some people don’t even realize they said it. It just bubbles forth like it’s common knowledge or something. It’s what you’ve been taught to believe and accept as truth……..that is the very definition of a stereotype.
TPryor may not have Rhodes Scholar written all over him like RGIII but his football acumen is damn close. The difference is RGIII was not held back but instead spurred on. TP6 was held back by a coach who only that of him as an athlete the same as many of YOU DO!. Well TP6 is sooo much more than that I can’t began to tell ya’. He’s young yet but it has zero to do with his ability to get the job I’m just a tad concerned about his ability to handle the criticism he will recieve fairly and unfairly from the media after what Russell did when he was here. That and that alone is my ONLY hesitation in his getting on the field as soon as SUNDAY……………….period
November 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
It IS posssible for rookie QB’s to win ball games and be a threat to take their team to the playoffs…and maybe more.
We have the example of Big Ben his first yr. and Luck this yr. Yes, they are exceptional talents but it can be done.
Pryor is still a mystery to us cuz we have not seen him in REAL GAME situations. Practice can only show so much.
If practice really meant anything than we would be 8-0 right now from what we were hearing from camp. You don’t know what you’ve got till you see a guy in a real game….or games.
I’m a well documented Palmer guy, but i would like to see what Pryor can do…in a real game.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
GG-I don’t agree with your evaluation one bit.Teams don’t bench their starters unless they feel they replacement will take his place very soon.Did Rodgers play when Favre was still in GB?No he didn’t.The coaches see him in practice EVERY DAMN DAY.They have a very good idea what he can do and it appears they don’t believe he might not have a future in the NFL at QB.Why did they bring in another young QB for a workout if they believe Pryor is the future?I’ll repeat-this isn’t college.You don’t sit your stars to look at young players unless you know the star won’t be here in the future.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Priest, i appreciate what you’re saying but i was in attendance at Camp Randall a couple of Novembers ago rooting like heck for Pryor to beat the Badgers. I hate the Badgers but that’s another story.
At any rate, i think some of the “doubt” on Pryor has to do with how he performed against the “big boys”. The stats are there and they are not good.
He dominated Ohio Bobcats and Tulsa and Austin Peay or whatever, but in those big games aginst big boy defenses he didn’t do so hot.
That being said, i think he he is working his butt off to learn how to be a pro, working on his game…all that, and at some point he deserves a shot. He just does.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Yo Priest,..the only reason Pryor doesnt get on the field is because hes stupid. Period. Now carry your old butt to bed,..its late.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Oh no! I got dissed by fangs.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Let me rephrase that a little.
Al as GM drafted Pryor. Al believed in Pryor. By year 2, if Al were still alive, and the season was at a loss, or realistically so, he would’ve got the coaches to start evaluating these players like Pryor. EVEN IF, Campbell/Palmer were still going to here next year. A GM/HC who believes in a rookie QB, KNOWS that that player is still a liability at QB, that they wont know the whole playbook to afford them to run a proper full gameplan, that the player will turn the ball over etc. Even tho they see week to week in training he still hasnt got full command, they understand that to fully evaluate they’ll still find games to get them out there, give them some vanilla bunch of plays. Like they did with Russell in week 16/17 of his rookie year. And even after training camp year 2, and Russell wasn’t still NFL ready (as Garcia alluded to and angrily left), the GM/HC got Russell out there, starting those vanilla bunches of play, and assess him on a consecutive 10+ week basis.
The ONLY reason Pryor has yet to start that on-field evaluation in 2012 is because….1) his rookie year was a wash, no QB coach even; 2) They’re trying to win now with the elite QB they inherited; 3) The playoffs are still mathematically possible.
As soon as the season is a wash, Pryor WILL start. It only depends when our season is a wash. Could be 3-7, could be 4-8. Whenever it happens it will happen. He WILL start because Reggie/DA will do their due diligence on Pryor before next year’s draft. Not to forget QB Coach De Fillipo (?) is there in order to get Pryor NFL ready to evaluate this year. Technique and playbook.
The only time to concede that Reggie/DA do NOT want Pryor whatsoever is if the season is a wash and they’re STILL not activating Pryor. That means they probably don’t want Pryor. They’ll draft their own QB, and pit him and Pryor together, give that newly drafted QB those steps to compete….beat out your rival in 2013 camp, then ascend to compete with the incumbent starter (Palmer). They’ll then look to trade Pryor, or convert him to TE. Or if they REALLY dislike him, they’ll just cut him end of the season.
Until we personally see which of all those things the staff does, we cannot categorically assert that the coaching staff thinks this or that of Pryor.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
I think that statement is the reason Mistic1 as well as myself get a little upset at the stigma that comes with any black QB. The question is always ‘is he smart enough’no matter who the kid is. If he’s black it’s ‘I don’t think he has the smarts’ and I’m telling ya’ in ll my years watching football and listening to sports commentators formal and informal I’ve only heard them say that about a white QB maybe twice. But they say it about every black QB save a few, some people don’t even realize they said it. It just bubbles forth like it’s common knowledge or something. It’s what you’ve been taught to believe and accept as truth……..that is the very definition of a stereotype. ========= AVG BABOON IQ = 70 which is borderline retard —- AVG WHITE IQ = 100 …..THAT’S NO STEREOTYPE YOU MORON…THAT’S FACT !!!
November 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
DJ,didn’t you see him in practice games.Those are real game situations.That is where other players are evaluated.It isn’t a question of intelligence.It is a question of how fast one can process what they see.Guys like Manning and Brady aren’t more intelligent than their peers,they just recognize and process what they see faster.Intelligence isn’t Pryor’s problem its mechanics and simple performance.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
GG-Pryor doesn’t deserve to play or he would be playing.The coaches don’t need him to play so they can evaluate him,they see him in practice every day.To me it was telling when a week or so ago they brought in a QB for a work-out.If Pryor was showing anything at all,why bring someone in?The guy is a great athlete,but that doesn’t mean he is an NFL QB.It is the same old story-fans say he has to play so ‘we’ can see what he is while the coaches see him EVERYDAY-they know what he is.
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Lefty12 you are sooo far off about Pryor it’s NOT EVEN FUNNY. But I understand why you think the way you do. It’s simple conditioning man. You’ve allowed yourself to see athlete only whether he does the other things well or not because he is such a fabulous athlete does not preclude him from being a top notch QB in this league given the same opportunity everyone else gets. You are very patient with Leinart and others but you are ready to write Pryor off with out even ever seeing the kid in a starting role. Why? what has he done that convinces you he can’t play??
You cannot say his college career because all he did was win……why not give this kid the same equal opportunity the Alex Smiths of the world have recieved. By all accts he works his ass off and has a great attitude there are no reports of any kind that indicate otherwise. So why not allow that kid the same benefit of the doubt you would anyone else. That’s all I’m saying…..
November 9th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
hey sweeties guess what beechy dawg and i are going to try to get back together. he and i are like yin and yang. hes more of the yin type you know a bottom. But after anotoine broke up with him he kind of lost it and did some poppers and let a train go with these shemales. but he feels better and i am going to take him back
November 9th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
DJ,didn’t you see him in practice games.Those are real game situations.That is where other players are evaluated.It isn’t a question of intelligence.It is a question of how fast one can process what they see.Guys like Manning and Brady aren’t more intelligent than their peers,they just recognize and process what they see faster.Intelligence isn’t Pryor’s problem its mechanics and simple performance. =============== THIS JUST IN….INTELLIGENCE = ABILITY TO PROCESS COMPLEX SITUATIONS…….which is what the WHITE QB HAS and the baboon will never have. FACT
November 9th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Oh no! I got dissed by fangs.
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You’re melting. Lol.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Oh please Priest,..you comparing Pryor to Alex Smith?…what a joke. Smith is smart, makes great decisions,..all Pryor does is gets the ball and panicks and runs, makes a few cool runs,..cant pass,cant react to a blitz, cant read a blitz,…hes not a qb at all, thats why he ran around at OSU…if the kid was white you wouldnt give a damn about him,..youre a fraud Priest. Now go to bed.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
JUST ADD TURDELLE PRYOR TO THIS LIST…VINCE YOUNG…TAVARIS JACKSCOON….QUINCY CARTER….BYRON LEFTDITCH….SHAWN KING….AARON BROOKS….ANDRE WARE…AKILI SMITH….TROY SMITH….DUMBOVAN MCNABB….JACARCAS RUSSELL…DUMMY CULPEPPER…ROHAN DAVEY….JOE HAMILTON….ANDRE WOODSON….TONY BANKS…TOMMIE FRAZIER…ADRIAN MCPHERSON….DAVID GARRAD….CLEO LEMON….TEE MARTIN….MICHAEL BISHOP….ANTHONY WRIGHT…CHARLIE BATCH…JUICE WILLIAMS…MICHAEL ROBINSON….PAT WHITE…JOSH JOHNSON….SENECA WALLACE….DENNIS DIXON…DOGKILLER VICK = ALL EPIC FAILURES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Roethlisberger was babysat his entire first year by Cowher. They gave him only one-half of the field to read at all. They gave him one-read plays only. Cowher set the blueprint for how to fasten the development of a rookie QB starting game 1. You give them a vanilla package of plays, and ease them in game by game. Feeding them more plays and complexities the more they absorb and master.
Since then, the pocket-passing rookies like Ryan, Luck, Tannehill, etc have been able to step in as day 1 starters. They’re ONLY giving them bits and pieces. And those dual-threat QBs, Newton, Tebow, RGIII…they’re also doing the same thing, giving them the plays they know and excelled at in college, giving them that vanilla offense bit by bit and feeding them more complex pro-style plays only once they absorb and master.
It’s why Newton has underperformed this year as they tried to step up the pro-style, but he has struggled more with it. They’ll continue to feed him and develop him next year. RGIII is facing the same hill next season.
The ONLY reason Pryor hasn’t been given the keys is because Al died and Reggie inherited the Raiders football operations. Pryor would be starting this year if Campbell and Boller were still on roster, if Al didnt trade for Palmer. And if he did, and stayed alive, he would’ve started Pryor in 2012 soon as we were mathematically eliminated.
Reggie/DA WILL do what Al would’ve done, start Pryor soon as we’re eliminated from playoffs. Maybe not because they believe in him, like Al did. Maybe they do after seeing how much work he has done. You don’t know how Reggie/DA/DeFillipo truly feel about Pryor yet. But they will do it purely out of professional due diligence before the 2013 draft.
Bookmark it.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
That may be the case with you Priest,but not the other guy.He is a bigot,plan and simple.Hopefully when he grows up and matures he will mellow and not hate like he now does.And to claim that black QBs don’t get fair treatment in todays NFL is,IMO,a fallacy.If a guy is good enough and his coaches feel they can win with him he will play.These coaches coach rosters that are 90% black.How can anyone say they hold it against someone due to their color.I don’t buy it.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
ALL BABOONS ARE IN DENIAL…ITS FROM YEARS OF THE JEW MEDIA TELLING THEM THEY ARE EQUAL TO THEIR WHITE SUPERIORS…POOR DUMB CREATURES….LOOK AT HAITI OR DETROIT WHEN THEY ARE LEFT ON THEIR OWN = EPIC FAILURE.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
I know exactly how Reggie and the rest feel about Pryor,..him never being active for a game ever is loud and clear. Lechler will get time at QB before Pryor,..Pryor released the day after the season ends.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Oh please Priest,..you comparing Pryor to Alex Smith?…what a joke. Smith is smart, makes great decisions,..all Pryor does is gets the ball and panicks and runs, makes a few cool runs,..cant pass,cant react to a blitz, cant read a blitz,…hes not a qb at all, thats why he ran around at OSU…if the kid was white you wouldnt give a damn about him,..youre a fraud Priest. Now go to bed.
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This is exactly what I mean. How dare I compare TP6 to one of the worst BUST in NFL history up til last year.This stuff couldn’t get sillier,
But I get it………….one is black and athletic the other is white and athletic and never the tween they shall meet.
I’m officially DONE FOLKS!!
November 9th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Priest,I haven’t written the guy off.I’m just saying he shouldn’t get any starts this year.Palmer is the QB.He should play.However,if Palmer were to get injured and be out a few games,I’d rather see Pryor step in and start over Leinart.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Well at least the Lakers can still beat San Fran.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
So are the Warriors.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Let’s let TP6 be in the backfield as a RB. Could be very interesting.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Roethlisberger was babysat his entire first year by Cowher. They gave him only one-half of the field to read at all. They gave him one-read plays only. Cowher set the blueprint for how to fasten the development of a rookie QB starting game 1. You give them a vanilla package of plays, and ease them in game by game. Feeding them more plays and complexities the more they absorb and master.
Since then, the pocket-passing rookies like Ryan, Luck, Tannehill, etc have been able to step in as day 1 starters. They’re ONLY giving them bits and pieces. And those dual-threat QBs, Newton, Tebow, RGIII…they’re also doing the same thing, giving them the plays they know and excelled at in college, giving them that vanilla offense bit by bit and feeding them more complex pro-style plays only once they absorb and master. ====== WHAT A MORON…..rothlisberger/ryan/luck ARE WINNERS….whereas newtdumb & rg1/3 ARE LOSERS…..guess that is just a coincidence.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
With three players hurt we should dress TP. Why not.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
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This is exactly what I mean. How dare I compare TP6 to one of the worst BUST in NFL history up til last year.This stuff couldn’t get sillier,
But I get it………….one is black and athletic the other is white and athletic and never the tween they shall meet.
I’m officially DONE FOLKS!! ============ OF COURSE…WHEN FACED WITH THE TRUTH THE PAVEMENT APES RUN !!!….ITS IN THEIR DNA
November 9th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
GG, Your post made me think of something else too. You mention how Cowher basically “simplified” the offense for Ben…making it easy as possible for him to transition. That suggests that he limited the playbook as well, allowing Ben to work with just a few plays and the variations from those plays; and yet they still WON games.
It leads to the thought that maybe that’s part of the Raiders problem. Too much having to “think” about things and not enough just “playing”.
Makes me think if a team can EXECUTE, that even running a very limited but MASTERED playbook is a route toward winning games.
If a team EXECUTES…no matter what plays they run and even if the defense KNOWS what the other team is doing…they can’t stop it if they EXECUTE those plays.
It appears to me throughout this whole zbs implementation that there is just too much dang thinking going on.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
That may be the case with you Priest,but not the other guy.He is a bigot,plan and simple.Hopefully when he grows up and matures he will mellow and not hate like he now does.And to claim that black QBs don’t get fair treatment in todays NFL is,IMO,a fallacy.If a guy is good enough and his coaches feel they can win with him he will play.These coaches coach rosters that are 90% black.How can anyone say they hold it against someone due to their color.I don’t buy it.
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Lefty12 it’s matter of knowing and being advanced in this offense Knapp brought Leinart here for a reason. That is the only reason Pryor is 3rd string. You are reading way too much into his inactivity. Trust me look around the league very very rarely are 3rd string QB’s activated. The coaches are any BUT unhappy with Pryor’s advancement you are way off. That is why I’m trying to let you know because I have personally spoken to Greg Knapp. Unless something has changed since we spoke during preseason they are very excited about what he brings to the table they just can’t investa ton of time in practice with him it has to come in the offseason is all.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Palmer sucks in all your eyes,..your hoping he doesnt start some games this year once we are out of the playoffs,..(thats in about two weeks)…anyway,..heres some truth for you,..Palmer starts every game this year, as well as next year,..barring an injury he starts for the Raiders for about the next 4 years or so,…Palmer isnt the problem in Oakland, its the other 52 players on the roster that are about as bad as it gets.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Priest. Don’t take off man.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Palmer doesn’t suck man I think highly of Palmer and thank god we have him. He gives us a legitimate chance to win every game. We haven’t had a QB that you can say that about in years.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
I know exactly how Reggie and the rest feel about Pryor,..him never being active for a game ever is loud and clear. Lechler will get time at QB before Pryor,..Pryor released the day after the season ends.
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If that were true, why wait? There in fact be players cut at the end of the season. On the top of the list will be McCheese. Following him will be WSmith if he’s still around. Also on the list of departees/retirees/cuts will be Seymour (R), Lechler(Cut), Kelly (Traded), Carlisle (R), Mitchell34 (Traded), Huff (Traded), 2 or 3 existing DB’s names unknown & possibly TP6.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Why what’s up DJ?
November 9th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Want to know why the Raiders suck so bad?….and why the Niners are so damn great?…watch Rolando McLain play,…watch Pat Willis play. Youre welcome.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Palmer doesn’t suck man I think highly of Palmer and thank god we have him. He gives us a legitimate chance to win every game. We haven’t had a QB that you can say that about in years.
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100% correct. Best since Gannon.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Some of you are walking contradictions.Do you want Pryor to learn the QB position are do you want him to play WR,RB,TE,etc?If you play him at other positions it means he has to practice at those positions.If he practices at those positions it means he gets less work at being a QB.So take your choice-QB or a slash player because he shouldn’t do both.BTW,just because he is criticized doesn’t mean I or others have given up on him.It just means I don’t believe he is nearly ready to lead the team.It remains to be seen one way or the other if he’ll ever be an NFL caliber QB.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
OH MY I FORGOT……VINCE EVANS!!!….RANDULL CUNNINGHAMBONE….KORDULL STEWART….RODNEY PEETE….STEVE “SHOT-BY-MISTRESS” MCNAIR….JOE “JUNKIE” GILLIAM…WARREN “NEVER WON ANYTHING” MOON…..JAMES HARRIS….SUCH WINNERS!!!!!!…………Fangsraiders Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
JUST ADD TURDELLE PRYOR TO THIS LIST…VINCE YOUNG…TAVARIS JACKSCOON….QUINCY CARTER….BYRON LEFTDITCH….SHAWN KING….AARON BROOKS….ANDRE WARE…AKILI SMITH….TROY SMITH….DUMBOVAN MCNABB….JACARCAS RUSSELL…DUMMY CULPEPPER…ROHAN DAVEY….JOE HAMILTON….ANDRE WOODSON….TONY BANKS…TOMMIE FRAZIER…ADRIAN MCPHERSON….DAVID GARRAD….CLEO LEMON….TEE MARTIN….MICHAEL BISHOP….ANTHONY WRIGHT…CHARLIE BATCH…JUICE WILLIAMS…MICHAEL ROBINSON….PAT WHITE…JOSH JOHNSON….SENECA WALLACE….DENNIS DIXON…DOGKILLER VICK = ALL EPIC FAILURES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 9th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Why release Pryor now as apposed to the end of the year?…because the cost is the same…it makes no difference at all.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
We should have went after Larry Grant. For a seventh=steal.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
One comes here and all we see is debating about QB… which out of 30 things wrong with the Raiders, CP is 29.
I am out too…
November 9th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Another perfect example is Bergstrom. He was our highest drafted this year. Reggie’s guy. He still hasn’t even started yet. Does that mean Reggie/DA thinks he sucks and they want to cut him? Does that mean they’re NOT working to get him ready to start at some point this year to assess him? He will get his opportunity to start when they feel he’s ready. They don’t want to rush him in and set his development back too soon. The same can be said of Pryor, even tho QB is completely different. The time for Pryor will be as soon as we’re eliminated from playoffs.
Palmer will be coming back next year. They’ll again shoot for the playoffs next year. But while you have a starting QB trying to win you games, you also as a GM have to ensure your young #3 is being evaluated and developed for the future. You’re also trying to evaluate and develop other young draftees on scholarship…like Crawford, Bilukidi, etc.
That’s why you have a practice squad and why a portion of the 53 roster is devoted to a few scholarship players that one recently drafted.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Priest, i’ve heard it mentioned you used to work for the Raiders org. are you at liberty to say what you did with the org? I think you alluded once (it’s been a while) that you worked with Al in some capacity.
I’m just curious.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Pryor isnt a part of the Raider problem at all,..hes not even on the team…never active for a game…Priest has a better chance of getting in a game then Pryor does.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Hopefully Pryor improves enough to be the backup next year. Then you could run some plays for him from time to time.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
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November 9th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
GG, Your post made me think of something else too. You mention how Cowher basically “simplified” the offense for Ben…making it easy as possible for him to transition. That suggests that he limited the playbook as well, allowing Ben to work with just a few plays and the variations from those plays; and yet they still WON games.
It leads to the thought that maybe that’s part of the Raiders problem. Too much having to “think” about things and not enough just “playing”.
Makes me think if a team can EXECUTE, that even running a very limited but MASTERED playbook is a route toward winning games.
If a team EXECUTES…no matter what plays they run and even if the defense KNOWS what the other team is doing…they can’t stop it if they EXECUTE those plays.
It appears to me throughout this whole zbs implementation that there is just too much dang thinking going on.
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Very correct in your conclusion. This year has been difficult because the new regime has thrust a whole bunch of new schemes on both offense and defense, and they’re still trying to learn the complexities of those every week. Even the players have said this recently, guys like Wisniewski saying how it’s good Knapp has finally listened to the players to implement pbs, things they know well and execute well from previous years of absorbing it.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Actually Priest I’m saying pretty much what you are.He is the 3rd string developmental QB.#rd string developmental QBs don’t play.I’ve been saying that forever.I also keep saying the coaches know what they have because they watch him daily.My only question was why bring in a QB for a workout if they are happy with what they have?
November 9th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
BFD that Bergstrom was the highest Raider draft pick,..he was stil like a 3rd rounder…if Bergstrom ever plays this year its because the line is terrible. So ya, he should have started a few weeks ago.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Lefty12, you are correct Plamer should start every game but if we are out of the playoffs. Why not play Pryor in 2nd halfs of games if it’s been decided in mop up roles if need be once we’re out of it……..I think the fans are correct when they say we need to see what we have. Pryor excites the imagination with his talent and giving the kid some snaps this year in games can only advance his developement to OUT OWN advantage it’s just common sense.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
I hate to think that Bergstrom is less talented or skilled as Willie Smith. If so, he’s screwed – we’re screwed!
IMO, Wiz 2.0 is a better guard than he is a center. I’d like to see him move over to LG, bring Parsons back in at center, move “old” Carlisle back to RG, bench Brisel and find someone better than WSmith to play ORT.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
GG-he won’t start any games this year barring injury.That is the way the NFL works.Again,this isn’t college.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Priest youre wrong,..fans dont want to see Pryor in a game,..Im at every game and Iv never heard it,..oh, wait, you mean people on this blog want to see him in a game?????…LMAO…fans. Good one.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Because you never stop trying to improve your roster no matter who gets rattled by it. That other QB may be in line for Leinarts job tho did you ever consider that? Leinart makes a lot of money and they may be thinking ahead. Their reasoning doesn’t have to be Pryor based at all.
November 9th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
We should start TP, if our season is over. If we are 3 games behind in the west with 2 games left and no chance for WC, then why not start TP, rest Palmer, and evaluate the young talent?
November 9th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Pryor will never start a game in Oakland or anywhere in the NFL,..maybe in the arena league, but I highly doubt that too.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
If Pryor was thrown to the wolves in mop up duty it could retard his progress.He might resort to the player he was in college-take off too soon,not make reads.When he got here most agreed the best thing that we could do was sit his a$$ for a few years so he could learn,like Rodgers did.Now everyones patience is gone and you want him to play NOW.Wouldn’t it be better to follow the way Rodgers was brought along than go the Russell route and possibly ruin him?
November 9th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
You keep playing Palmer so you can evaluate the rest of your talent.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
you are correct Plamer should start every game but if we are out of the playoffs. Why not play Pryor in 2nd halfs of games if it’s been decided in mop up roles if need be once we’re out of it……..I think the fans are correct when they say we need to see what we have. Pryor excites the imagination with his talent and giving the kid some snaps this year in games can only advance his developement to OUT OWN advantage it’s just common sense.
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Good post BHP.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
So if John Gruden is in line to take over the HC job in Philly, where does Mike Holmgren end up after his GM gig at the Browns is over at the end of the year? He has said he wants back in at coaching. Jacksonville maybe? There’s also rumblings of Marty Shottenheimer to the Chiefs. That will still leave an opening at the Chargers after Norv & the GM gets the axe. Lots of changes going on. You’d think they were the Raider organization.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
BFD that Bergstrom was the highest Raider draft pick
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Problem with you sometimes is you don’t properly read what someone is saying, just want to post back a repartee.
I mentioned Bergstroms draft position purely to show that even tho a player got drafted high by the incumbent new GM, his very own player, and the one he most wanted given he was the one he drafted highest, he still hasn’t started a game is NOT an indication that the GM/HC think that player sucks and is on the bubble of being released/traded before he’s had his on-field evaluations.
Bergstrom is still being developed. They dont think he’s ready. And he wont be fully NFL ready when they do start him. Like Burris wasn’t fully ready. Like Criner. All guys Reggie drafted with his own hand. None of them have started fully ready, and some of them still havent — Crawford, Bilukidi.
The same of certain players Reggie didnt draft but still is evaluating — Taiwan (starts finally this week), Pryor (wont start till playoffs are gone). These guys are no different to the ones Reggie drafted. All those yet to start or see much action, will at some point for evaluation. Some have HAD TO start sooner than they were fully ready (Burris) because they were so short at LB + McClain’s impending appeal.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
JB now I can, but I never worked directly with Mr Davis I worked in the scouting dept. with Jon Kingdon and Kent McCloughan. I was adopted by Dan Connors many years ago and got to Jon through him. For about 10 years I would study film there and at home and scout upcoming teams for them.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I would love Holmgren as Oaklands HC,….but idiot Reggie will go 3-13 for three years with DA Im sure.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Hellsbells Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
You keep playing Palmer so you can evaluate the rest of your talent.
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Like who?
Streater & Criner are active on gamedays.
T Jones?
Ausberry?
November 9th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
I’m tired of this BS that we need to see him now.He needs the experience now.I watched the greatest QB the Oakland Raiders have ever had,Kenny ‘the Snake’ Stabler sit on the bench for 3 years.He didn’t mop up games,Blanda did.He didn’t start late in the season.He didn’t come in in relief.He sat and learned.The same should happen to Pryor.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Holmgren is a good coach but he needs a good GM who can get him talent.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
There’s a big assumption there that the ONLY reasons Pryor hasn’t started are obstacles x, y and z. But guess what? He got beat out by Leinart in camp. And apparently hasn’t done anything to surpass him yet.
Remember, as far as Reggie and DA are concerned, Pryor is just another dude on this roster that they can upgrade if they find someone better fitting for what they want. I think that time is coming.
I know that you, and many Raider fans are enamored with his ability to run with the ball. I’m not, because I prefer QBs that play QB first, and only run when it’s the last best option. Apparently, so do Knapp and DA as that is what their system favors, so let’s move on from Al’s last pure athletic project pick and get on to what this brand of Raiders is playing.
And let me be real clear on something here. I don’t have an issue with a QB whether black or white. I just know from many many many seasons of studying football how rare successful run oriented QBs are. The whole thing that steers this towards racism is because so many of the black QBs that come out of college these days are great athletes first. Show me the black QB coming out that is not a great runner and I’ll get behind him. I was a huge fan of Warren Moon and became more and more a fan of McNair as he got older and ran less, because I watched him develop into a better QB.
My issue with running QBs is this: you only get so many skill points to allocate to your development (kind of liking allocating points in an RPG
Unless your Weeden, by the time you’ve come out of college you’ve gotten roughly the number of reps as everyone else.
If you are dangerous runner and you are encouraged to do so in high school and college, then you are going to develop that part of your game and others less. If you’re told to make one or two reads and then take off, you aren’t going to learn to make third and fourth reads. If you know that you can exploit a weakness in a defense with a QB run, then you are going to focus on reading those situations and only doing enough in the passing game to set those up. And if you are a very good runner and adequate passer, you can get through the lower levels of college with success, as so many have done in the past.
Now contrast that with a QB that is a subpar runner his whole developmental career. They have to develop differently or else they don’t get the next level. How they do that is by learning how to make pre-snap reads focused on finding the passing defense weakness only. They then have to be very good at reading all the way through their progressions in short order. They have to know how to stand in and take the hit to make the throw, which it often takes to make that play happen.
OK, so we have two basic types of paths to get through to make it to an NFL camp as a QB (and of course hybrids but let’s keep it simple for now). What types of assets are required to develop in either? First, they both share lots of the same, mostly around being able to make NFL throws physically and accurately enough. The both need to be big and durable enough. They both need some amounts of leadership qualities. We need not discuss the similarites.
For the differences, as a runner, you have to be able to run first well first. It helps to be elusive, good at breaking tackles, good at sensing where run tackling will or won’t be — basically a lot of the same skills RBs need. If you don’t have those, then you’re not a good running QB, are you? Which means you’re more of a pure passing QB. For that to happen, you need great reading skills and the mental ability to read patterns opening and closing quickly and in a rapid sequence. If you don’t do this well, you end up forcing passes to first and second reads resulting in incompletes or picks when they aren’t open. In that case you don’t move forward. If you do, it’s because you have a brain capable of making the fast decisions necessary.
There it is. If you cannot run, you’re only option is to separate yourself based on your mental game. If you can run, it doesn’t make you incapable of having the same mental game, but it means you haven’t developed it as much or proven that you have it because you haven’t needed to.
As simply put as I can make it, to be a successful pocket passer in the NFL you have to be pretty damn smart. If you happen to also be fast but just don’t use it much, that’s great. Likewise, to be a successful running QB in the NFL you have to have great mobility skills first. Yes, you also need to have some of the mental skills to a lesser extent as a pocket guy, but not as much and you also haven’t spent as much effort developing them. Yes, you can also be mensa level intelligent as a nice side effect, but it’s not a requirement.
Now statistically, very few people have enough combined physical and mental skill to be an NFL starting QB. And those that do tend to lean one way or the other for the most part. Those that have both are exceptional. The only ones I can think of that were so high up in each category would be Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, and arguably Fran Tarkenton.
This is why when I see run first QBs, I look for certain things to show me that they have the intellect as well. I watch their decision making on film. I watch how fully and quickly they assess the defense pre-snap and get the adjustments barked out to the offense in time. I watch how much they check down on their reads and how quickly they are looking to flee the pocket.
RGIII does a lot of these things pretty well for a rookie, which is what makes him pretty rare. He could be another McNair if he can survive the extra beating that run heavy QBs take in his career. By that I mean someone that came into the league using a lot of running and then the more they learned, the less they ran and the more they just picked their spots, honing their passing skills along the way. I have less faith that Cam will do this, because he seems to just use threat of his big running body to draw a specific defender and then hits that primary target. Defenses can, and have been figuring that out after his first surprise season.
Getting to Pryor, I’m not seeing it. He struggles just being able to repeat the play radioed into his helmet to the huddle. Plunkett went out of his way to praise him for just getting that right in preseason, claiming that it is hard for a young QB. Sure it is, as are 100 other things in the game, but I never saw an announcer (especially ex QB) that felt he had to make that excuse for a player. He looks absolutely clueless when reading pre-snap and doesn’t seem to come out of the exercise with any audibles. Worse, go look at all of his college highlight plays. You’ll see one of two things: 1) locked onto a single WR from the snap that throws to when wide open against crappy college DBs, or 2) watches the same WR, doesn’t see it, and takes off running. You have to look REALLY hard to find a case of him checking down even once off his primary, and in most those it’s after a wild scramble where he turns away from looking downfield then finds the closest guy to him when he finally spins back around.
The last nail in the coffin for Pryor with me? My brother, another big Raiders fan, owns a restaurant and was talking to one of his customers. The guy ended up sitting next to Gruden on a plane flying back from his QB Camp TV show. When asked about Pryor, Gruden’s word, “Dumb as s#1t!!!”
November 9th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I would love Holmgren as Oaklands HC,….but idiot Reggie will go 3-13 for three years with DA Im sure.
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Both with Green Bay lineage I wonder how the relationship is between Holmgren & RM? Might be a little uncomfortable with the role reversal though. RM worked FOR Holmgren. If he came here it would be the other way around. Probably not realistic to even think about it Holmgren could get a much better deal at Jacksonville. Might even have a shot at GM/HC with the new foreign owner who has put everybody on notice. The timing for Holmgren couldn’t be better.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
768. Yes. Also you evaluate your whole scheme. Can not do that with a kid running. Gunning. Let Pryor mature and like I said hope he wins the backup job next year. Then he can get some snaps lie Kapernik.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
A match made in hell, the worst starting tackle in football versus the defensive player of the year, we can’t blame ugly Willie this time and Palmer might be done after the first quarter.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Lefty12, things have changed to some extent, it depends on what he’s doing in practice and based on reports he’s looking good. I have no idea what plans they ahve for Pryor but if they have him slated for the backup role next year. How can it hurt to get some snaps and feel what it’s like to face live bullets in case he’s thrown into a starting role next year. That IMO is just being Prudent. In Stablers case we had Blanda if Lamonica went down, who knows if they plan to keep Leinart or not. That IMO would be the deciding factor. What are their plans going forward are they with Leinart or Pryor if with Pryor they should let him get his feet wet, WHY NOT?
November 9th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
The other morning on Mike and Mike ,they were discussing this very topic but weren’t talking Raiders.Greenberg said he thought at the end of the year he didn’t see why teams didn’t play guys to better evaluate them.Golic said you can’t do it due to the message it sends to the rest of the team,that you are asking players to continue to bust their a$$e$ while you as a coaching staff have given up.This from an ex player,and a pretty good one at that.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
775. Because you play to win the game.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
There’s a big assumption there that the ONLY reasons Pryor hasn’t started are obstacles x, y and z. But guess what? He got beat out by Leinart in camp. And apparently hasn’t done anything to surpass him yet.
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Pryor is 3rd string because Leinart is a WCO product…plaina and simple. He has 8 years in this system on Pryor to say he beat him out is an opinion nothing more.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Hellsbells Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
768. Yes. Also you evaluate your whole scheme. Can not do that with a kid running. Gunning. Let Pryor mature and like I said hope he wins the backup job next year. Then he can get some snaps lie Kapernik.
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You don’t think 13-14 games (with Palmer) is enough time to evaluate the “whole scheme”?
November 9th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
No.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Pryor will never start a game in Oakland or anywhere in the NFL,..maybe in the arena league, but I highly doubt that too.
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Amen. Anyone want to start a vote? You got two here that say no way already.
Disclaimer: will never start a game as a QB. He just might start some sort of wildcard/Tebow gimmick or converted to TE or something.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
It has been 8 games. You don’t throw games away. Let him earn his way onto the field. This is not college. That being said with all the injuries maybe at least activate him for a limited number of plays. Could be good around the goal line/short yardage.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
The other morning on Mike and Mike ,they were discussing this very topic but weren’t talking Raiders.Greenberg said he thought at the end of the year he didn’t see why teams didn’t play guys to better evaluate them.Golic said you can’t do it due to the message it sends to the rest of the team,that you are asking players to continue to bust their a$$e$ while you as a coaching staff have given up.This from an ex player,and a pretty good one at that.
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Lefty12, That’s fine but it’s an org. decision if indeed what we’re hearing about Pryor’s development ity behooves them to get him game action going forward. Or else you asking for the same situation as TJ is in now. No game experience and now he’s the starter it doesn’t make sense. How can it hurt when the starter is still starting but in situations when you can you play the heir apparent. How is that wrong they did the same thing with Rogers eventhough Farve hated why risk the starter in a blowout loss or win when you don’t have to.
What about this don’t you understand…..the season is over by all practical purposes. How is that giving up when IT’S OVER??
November 9th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Why not replace all the starters then, play all the backups. Hell seasons over. Why, because he I not ready and this is a business. Palmer benched for being the only one plying good. Gret measage for the team. Let him earn his playing time.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Rodgers didn’t play for Favre.We don’t know if they view Pryor as the heir apparent.I haven’t read or heard anything to say he is deemed the heir apparent.Just the ‘fans’ on here.The saying goes ‘it ain’t over til it’s over’.You act as if Palmer only has only the rest of this year or a year left.What is to say he doesn’t play another 3-6 years?Pryor will get plenty of work in the OTAs and in training camp.For the foreseeable future Palmer isn’t going anywhere so what is the hurry?
November 9th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Hellsbells Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
It has been 8 games. You don’t throw games away. Let him earn his way onto the field. This is not college. That being said with all the injuries maybe at least activate him for a limited number of plays. Could be good around the goal line/short yardage.
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Not after 8 games. I said 13-14 which is enough time to evaluate the “whole scheme” IMO, and that’s only if we can’t make the POs.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Read 785, could not have said it better. Time my friend, time. Then we will see what Pryor has, let him it.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Pryor is 3rd string because Leinart is a WCO product…plaina and simple. He has 8 years in this system on Pryor to say he beat him out is an opinion nothing more.
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Russell Wilson, a rookie with no prior any offense experience didn’t need that excuse. He came in and beat out a highly sought after FA that has a resume reading that he through 6 TDs in an NFL game and experience in one of the most prolific offense of this era. He also trounced the incumbent, Tavaris Jackson along the way. This is not an opinion, it’s a fact.
It’s also a fact that Pryor did not beat out Leinart based on the very real evidence that one is uniform in Sundays and one is not.
Put the two facts together and you see that prior experience does not guarantee rankings in training camp and that Pryor didn’t do anything to convince DA and staff that he deserves a higher ranking.
Side note: why did *I* think Wilson won out? Well, look at his college career. He started out run happy his first few seasons and was a decent passer. In his senior year, he moved to Wisconsin and cut his run attempts almost in half. Along the way, his completion percentage climbed about 15% and he had an astronimcal 33 TDs to 4 INT ratio. You know what he did there? He proved to the league that he could play QB at the next level while still throwing 4 times for every QB run.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
I agree. He has to earn it.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Lefty12, If Palmer plays another 4-6 years then obviously he’s playing extremely well. That is a good thing, my point along with everyone else’s is it will be hard to stay in that role if Pryor is who I think he is. If he is NOT I wWANT palmer here for the next 4-6 years.
Understand this is not a knock on Palmer at all I’m telling what I see in Pryormay supercede that as Palmer gets older. He may not be able to hold onto that job with this kid coming the wya he’s coming. And that is a good thing as well it’s a win win situation how can we go wrong with either given the situation.
If Pryor developes in such a way that they have to play him. How is that a bad thing? If palmer plays so well he doesn’t give way, how is that a bad thing. All I’m saying is this kid is special I didn’t push like hell to get this kid for nothing. I saw greatness in him absolute greatness or I wouldn’t have bothered……….period
November 9th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Lefty12, If Palmer plays another 4-6 years then obviously he’s playing extremely well. That is a good thing, my point along with everyone else’s is it will be hard to stay in that role if Pryor is who I think he is. If he is NOT I wWANT palmer here for the next 4-6 years.
Understand this is not a knock on Palmer at all I’m telling what I see in Pryormay supercede that as Palmer gets older. He may not be able to hold onto that job with this kid coming the wya he’s coming. And that is a good thing as well it’s a win win situation how can we go wrong with either given the situation.
If Pryor developes in such a way that they have to play him. How is that a bad thing? If palmer plays so well he doesn’t give way, how is that a bad thing. All I’m saying is this kid is special I didn’t push like hell to get this kid for nothing. I saw greatness in him absolute greatness or I wouldn’t have bothered……….period
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What is the hurry?The time to play him will be when he has shown he has earned it and deserves to play,not before.If and when he develops as you believe,then he should see the field.Until that happens it would send the wrong message to the rest of the players working their butts off trying to get into games but can’t.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I would love to see TP earn it and come in confident. His physical skills can not be taught. I believe he is working on his mechanics/footwork. Cleans this up and we have a gem on our hands. Until then Palmer should be the unquestioned starter.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
#771…
A lot of assumptions in that post too. And some incorrect. Pryor did run a bunch of pro-style packages at Ohio. Meaning he did go thru progressions, look off safeties etc. There is enough video of this on youtube to see actual instances of all this yourself. He wasn’t “just” a spread option QB, (where those nuances are not done, where they just quick read and throw or bolt).
All I’m re-iterating is what Priestt also agreed and articulated. Pryor is #3, he is being developed as a traditional pocket-passer who can bolt if needed (a la Rodgers/Luck). He is being developed into the system we’re running WCO, drop-back passing. And that DA/Knapp/Reggie will get Pryor out there soon as they can in live game situations, because there’s two whole worlds of evaluation. A #3 in training is not getting any reps, playing scout team for the defense, just studies, throws passes without an OL/Defense to those #4-6 depth chart WRs, TEs, RBs, and practice squad guys while Palmer and Leinart are running the full drills with OL/DL. He’s biding his time traditionally like Aaron Rodgers. Reggie saw that process and is a believer of it.
Stabler sat for 3 years. That’s how they did it in the past. These days, clubs are more pressed to get their rookie starting sooner than later. Why Cowher set the blueprint that’s been followed since with a much higher success rate league-wide using Cowher’s approach.
Remember Steve Young was a true dual-threat QB too and he was still able to learn the WCO system and the coaches still game-planned his dual-threat ability into live-games. Didn’t stop him from being a dual-threat. If and when Pryor is ready the coaches want him #2 or #1, and he gets on the field, they wont strip Pryor of his athletic abilities, not utilize him on designed QB bootlegs, draw plays, and even some option plays. But that’s all later in his development. They want to get his pocket passing fundamentals and muscle-memory down pat.
Just saying that at this point there is only three things that can happen when the season is mathematically a wash….
1. Pryor gets 2nd halves, and/or starts.
2. Pryor doesn’t get any starts or halves and is released off-season.
3. Pryor comes back next season, another training camp, and another QB drafted to compete with him, and whomever loses out will get released, the other become the back-up to Palmer and ultimately take over Palmer in say 2014/15 and Palmer stays on to be the vet back-up.
If 1 happens, you know Reggie/DA are doing due diligence like i said they would even if they dont like Pryor.
If 2 happens, you know Reggie/DA don’t believe in Pryor at all and want their own QB to draft. And so all those who say “Pryor sucks and never will amount to anything” can say “told you so.”
If 3 happens, you know Reggie/DA are still doing due diligence, and tho they don’t like Pryor are still giving him an opportunity to compete, another year to prove he can absorb and grow. And so all those who are non-committed to either side, not biased against Pryor nor particularly a cheerleader for him, can say “all those people proclaiming they know what Reggie/DA really think about Pryor, either for/against, are wrong, they’re just running an org professionally, Reggie is not trying to rid the Raiders of Al players, he only cares about a transparent professional evaluation process no matter how you got here, and none of you know what they think until they act on it, just like how we feel here on the blog saying, honestly dont know if pryor is or isnt, will be interesting to see pryor if hes ready, and if he isnt, big deal, i trust reggie/DA’s decisions and players acquired.”
November 9th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
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November 9th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Thanks for the debate gentleman, have a good night.
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November 9th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Russell Wilson in terms of technigue and readiness is far ahead of Pryor and many other rookie QB’s. Wilson’s only drawback was his height other than that he is right there with RGIII and Luck. The kids football acumen is second to none. He was well schooled in the passing game. Pryor wasn’t he was used as an athlete but when he was alllowed to show his ability to throw in big games I saw something that was extremelt exciting he was just very raw.
If Pryor had been schooled in the same fashion as the others Pryor would’ve been a 1st overall pick making millions. I said it when he was available that if we could get coaches to coach this kid up and he stay in the same system long enough to get a firm handle on it. Look OUT!!
He’s never been allowed to just play from the pocket like others but I saw a real ability to do that if given the chance……………period
November 9th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Pryor will never start a game in Oakland or anywhere in the NFL,..maybe in the arena league, but I highly doubt that too. ============ PRYOR = DUMB AS SH!T
November 9th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
He’s never been allowed to just play from the pocket like others but I saw a real ability to do that if given the chance……………period ================= KEEP DREAMING
November 9th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
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November 9th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
A lot of assumptions in that post too. And some incorrect. Pryor did run a bunch of pro-style packages at Ohio. Meaning he did go thru progressions, look off safeties etc. There is enough video of this on youtube to see actual instances of all this yourself. He wasn’t “just” a spread option QB, (where those nuances are not done, where they just quick read and throw or bolt).
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This is very true, but people don’t wnat to accept it. In the bowl game vs Arkansas watch him from the pocket. It’s all there and the bowl game vs Ore. in the 1st qrtr he shredded their defense from the pocket. Threw all the throws accurately. You see him do this and it’s like why in hell didn’t they use him like this all the time? He had the ability it was NOT exploited to the extent it should’ve been…………period
November 9th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
The thing is he wasn’t schooled in those things.He didn’t get the proper training.Throwing him out there now could set him back-make him revert to all the things they are trying to break him of and all the things he is now learning.Palmer will be the starting QB for the Raiders in all likelihood next year.There is no reason to rush the kid.
November 9th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
What is the hurry?The time to play him will be when he has shown he has earned it and deserves to play,not before.If and when he develops as you believe,then he should see the field.Until that happens it would send the wrong message to the rest of the players working their butts off trying to get into games but can’t.
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Lefty12 what you’re missing is those same players see this kid in Practice and if indeed he is WOWING them, sending the wrong message is NOT even an issue…
November 9th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
The key point…when the season is mathematically over, they’ll get players like Crawford, Bilukidi, Pryor, Stewart, Bergstrom (if he hasnt started yet), Criner, and other players into live games at some point to evaluate them FURTHER. They wont throw games, they’re trying to win every game etc. But when the season is a wash, you OFTEN see teams around the league starting their rookie QB, for instance, to get him acclimated, as they’re planning forward, ready to move on from the incumbent vet on decline.
Im not saying Palmer is going to be phased out. I still believe he’ll be here next year because they’ll try to make a playoff run whilever they have Palmer playing at a high level. They know the AFC West is winnable. But you guys saying NFL teams do not bring in rookies into games when the season is a wash, are wrong. It happens all the time. They phase them in, get them acclimated, they got drafted specifically so that EVENTUALLY they can contribute and be starters.
If they believe Pryor is worth persevering with, they’ll continue to develop him next training camp and get him some quarters of play this season.
None of us truly know how Reggie/DA/Knapp/DeFillipo think about Pryor’s long-term viability…UNTIL we see a decision made WHEN the season is a wash. We’ll get an indication how they truly feel at that time.
1. He gets live action (means they’re evaluating him further and either he becomes #2 in 2013, or released post-season deciding he sucks).
2. He doesnt see any real action and they cut him (means you Pryor haters were right, they hated him too).
3. He doesnt see any real action, they draft another QB, but they give him another year in training camp (means theyre running a professional org and arent holding grudges or biases against any Al or non-Al players).
November 9th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Palmer doesn’t speak in the terms regarding this kid for nothing and that is what GOT my attention. Because he knows more than anyone what it takes………he calls it “TP TIME” and when he discusses TP he doesn’t mince words……it’s very clear he think very highly of him.
His words NOT mine….
November 9th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Priest,you have to realize just because I preach patience doesn’t mean i’m against the kid.We’ve had this conversation many times.He is a Raider,i want him to succeed.And questioning whether or not he will be the next ‘guy’ doesn’t mean I dislike him or that I’m against him.I thought Russell would be our QB for the next 15 years.It didn’t turn out that way and there is no guarantee Pryor will be that guy either.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
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November 9th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
GG-comments like ‘you Pryor haters’ is really silly.Questioning and wondering about a player doesn’t mean you hate the guy.That crap happens on this blog all the time and it is ridiculous.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Fangs you dont belong on this blog. Youre not genuinely here to talk football objectively.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Priest,you have to realize just because I preach patience doesn’t mean i’m against the kid.We’ve had this conversation many times.He is a Raider,i want him to succeed.And questioning whether or not he will be the next ‘guy’ doesn’t mean I dislike him or that I’m against him.I thought Russell would be our QB for the next 15 years.It didn’t turn out that way and there is no guarantee Pryor will be that guy either. ====== YEAH RIGHT….ONE SECOND AFTER THE RAIDERS PICKED THAT BIG DUMB BABOON I SAID “THE BIGGEST BUST IN NFL HISTORY”…..AND I WAS RIGHT LIKE ALWAYS!
November 9th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Guys hard work always gets rewarded one way or the other, based on eveerything I’ve heard the kids work ethic is off the chain. His desire to be great is second to none and when you couple that with his all-world talent the possibilities are limitless.It’s exciting to ponder what he can do when he gets his chance…..nothing agianst Palmer at all.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Lefty12, If Palmer plays another 4-6 years then obviously he’s playing extremely well. That is a good thing, my point along with everyone else’s is it will be hard to stay in that role if Pryor is who I think he is. If he is NOT I wWANT palmer here for the next 4-6 years.
Understand this is not a knock on Palmer at all I’m telling what I see in Pryormay supercede that as Palmer gets older. He may not be able to hold onto that job with this kid coming the wya he’s coming. And that is a good thing as well it’s a win win situation how can we go wrong with either given the situation.
If Pryor developes in such a way that they have to play him. How is that a bad thing? If palmer plays so well he doesn’t give way, how is that a bad thing. All I’m saying is this kid is special I didn’t push like hell to get this kid for nothing. I saw greatness in him absolute greatness or I wouldn’t have bothered……….period
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What is the hurry?The time to play him will be when he has shown he has earned it and deserves to play,not before.If and when he develops as you believe,then he should see the field.Until that happens it would send the wrong message to the rest of the players working their butts off trying to get into games but can’t.
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Lefty, you forget that this is not the old days. Free agency changed EVERYTHING. We could afford to nurture Stabler because he couldn’t go anywhere. The Raiders owned him. Thats not the case today. Let’s not put a lot of time into developing someone only to have them leave for greener pastures. Young players have to produce much earlier than the old days. This has become a league of what can you do for me today or tomorrow? Beyond that is at best a crap shoot.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Fangs you dont belong on this blog. Youre not genuinely here to talk football objectively. ====== WHAT THE F DO YOU KNOW…IVE BEEN WATCHING FOOTBALL BEFORE THERE WAS “THE OAKLAND RAIDERS”….I AM THE TRUTH….LEARN IT
November 9th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Fck the Warriors! LOL
Plenty of shet talking about the Lakers. Had to get this in before bed.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Priest,I don’t think anyone is arguing that point.And he will get his chance.All I’m saying is there is no reason to rush things.He has had to have many bad habits corrected.Rushing him could bring some of those bad habits back to the front.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Im not saying YOU are a Pryor-hater, but some people on this blog are. Like Zymurge. He has already fashioned and cast his opinion on Pryor before he even entered the NFL. He doesn’t like Pryor. That’s his prerogative. Not saying he should. Just that people in general who declare a player a bust or boom long before they’ve even had the opportunity, while still learning a system, only their first real season in the NFL, it’s just way to premature to say.
Even Tebow…I never declared him a bust prematurely. wanted to see him first. I had my suspicions, were correct — running pro-style he cant cut it (not yet anyway). Running option, he’s fine. But one cant run full option in the NFL apparently.
Pryor is more than that tho. His Ohio career did involve pro-style and he was very good at it, not too far from where Newton/RGIII were. If Pryor was drafted by the Redskins, say, and they wanted to bring him in straight away this year, he would’ve been given the same red carpet as RGIII was afforded….them making him work week 1 by installing much of the stuff he ran at Ohio, like the redskins are doing with RGIII this year running a lot of Baylor plays. That’s all they’re doing. RGIII’s growing pains will come like Pryor’s are already happening….learning the pro-style game in greater depth.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Another thing I think Palmer will outplay Flacco sunday so if we can get a t/o or 2 and the running game shows up this will be a shocking victory. I’m predicting TJ having a decent game but in the coming weeks I see TJ putting up some serious #’s. He will give the Raiders the option to explore trading DMC that is how talented I think TJ is.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Nite guys,I’m out.We could go round and round all night about this.Just remember,just because some of us preach a little patience doesn’t mean we are against the kid or dislike him.We just believe he should be brought along differently.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Pryor is more than that tho. His Ohio career did involve pro-style and he was very good at it, not too far from where Newton/RGIII were. If Pryor was drafted by the Redskins, say, and they wanted to bring him in straight away this year, he would’ve been given the same red carpet as RGIII was afforded….them making him work week 1 by installing much of the stuff he ran at Ohio, like the redskins are doing with RGIII this year running a lot of Baylor plays. That’s all they’re doing. RGIII’s growing pains will come like Pryor’s are already happening….learning the pro-style game in greater depth.
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Well said, people just don’t get it about Pryor and it’s in part due to what Russell did here. What they don’t get is Pryor is an all world competitor he will not stop until he is what HE SEES himself as an outstanding QB.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Ni66ers in the Theatre Lines ====
I took the wife and kids to see a movie this past weekend, Hotel Transylvania, good movie, the kids enjoyed it.
The part that ruined our day was having to wait in the movie line with all the feral fvcking ni66ers. There was an especially long line, and we were stuck right in the middle of a pack of ooking and eeking Street Apes. There was a ni66er sow in front of us, with straightened gold painted hair, and her feral sh!tskin protruding out of either side of her shirt at her waistline. The stench was ungodly. She had 5 or 6 little sh!tskin chillens with her, they were completely out of control, swinging from the aisle ropes, ooking, eeking, shreeking, running into people, the usual TNB. They had some arcade games in the lobby, and of course, the ni6lets were climbing all over them, not playing them because they don’t take EBT cards. My son is a video game junkie, and he wanted to play, so I gave him some quarters, but of course, the feral fvcking monkeys wouldn’t climb out of the game so the humans can play, so my son comes back and tells me the mooncrickets won’t get off of the game, so I go over to try to get the little fvcks off of the game so my kid could play, they paid no attention to me, and kept shreiking and howling like the filthy animals they are. I decided it was best that my son didn’t get his clothes or hands soiled by the feral grease that was encasing the arcade games from all the coons, and that we should just get back in line an decide what candy to get. The ni66erlings certainly wouldn’t move just by my request, and I didn’t feel like getting arrested for forcefully removing the lemurs or causing a mass chimpout.
So back to the movie line, the greasy gold-headed sheboon gets to the ticket counter, and first tries to pay with her EBT card. The teller, who appeared to be of Indian descent or some other middle eastern country, clearly didn’t like dealing with the porch monkeys, and told her she couldn’t pay with that card. She ooked for a minute then handed him another credit card and eeked “trah’s dis wuhn”, teller swipes it and card is denied. She proceeds to hand the teller about 15 different credit cards, Visa’s, Mastercard’s, etc… each one getting denied until finally one gets passed or he finally just gave her the tickets. This whole debacle cost about 10 minutes, and we still had to get candy and popcorn for the kids. Of course we ended up missing the first 5 minutes of the movie do to the monkeyshines we had to deal with. Luckily there were no feral fvcking street apes in our particular movie.
My real problem, besides having to stand in line with a bunch of fvcking jungle bunnies, is that this feral fvcking ni66er, who is on welfare, has 15 different credit cards, and they are apparently all maxed out. What fvcking bank is issuing credit lines to ni66ers on welfare???
My wife and I have 1 credit card, ONE. And there is a $0 balance on it, it is for emergencies only. This fvcking sh!tskin has god knows how much $debt, and will never even attempt to pay it off. I swear one day I am going to snap.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
“What they don’t get is Pryor is an all world competitor he will not stop until he is what HE SEES himself as an outstanding QB.” <——- LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A DELUSIONAL IDIOT
November 9th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Thanks for the level headed discussion Lefty12 it’s been too long my friend I enjoyed it.
Nice talking GG, I’m out too!
November 9th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Nite all, thanks for the intelligent debate. No matter which side of the fence we sit on.
Except Fangs, you’re a disgrace :p
November 9th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
I find these ppl kinda weird, you took the natives land got the ni66ers to work the land and build the country for you and now your mad at them for still being there lol
November 9th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Fangsraiders Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Fangs you dont belong on this blog. Youre not genuinely here to talk football objectively. ====== WHAT THE F DO YOU KNOW…IVE BEEN WATCHING FOOTBALL BEFORE THERE WAS “THE OAKLAND RAIDERS”….I AM THE TRUTH….LEARN IT
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oh cool, so ur close to death! sweet! enjoy hell.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Fangsraiders <——- LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHAT A DELUSIONAL IDIOT
November 9th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
oh fangs, u classic racist fool. u should really get out the Good Book and do some learnin’. God loves us all, including blacks. it’s not too late for u. just ask forgiveness, and u shall be healed.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
#793 — you got plenty of assumptions in your assumptions statement too
How do you know:
“Meaning he did go thru progressions, look off safeties etc. There is enough video of this on youtube to see actual instances of all this yourself. He wasn’t “just” a spread option QB, (where those nuances are not done, where they just quick read and throw or bolt).” — I didn’t see any of that in the videos I watched, but then I only watched highlights. The plays that worked. If there are examples of him reading through progressions on plays that weren’t working, well …
The other fact I have is that in Pryor’s three year career, he ran almost as many times as he completed passes. That’s a big change to ask someone to get away from that if that is what made you successful.
“Pryor is #3, he is being developed as a traditional pocket-passer who can bolt if needed (a la Rodgers/Luck)” – I’ll give you the #3 fact, but the rest is an opinion of what you think they want him to be.
“Stabler sat for 3 years. That’s how they did it in the past.” – And Stabler was Al’s pick to groom and develop. He saw the field with Al still there, presumably asking (if not telling) Madden when it was time to play him.
“Remember Steve Young was a true dual-threat QB too and he was still able to learn the WCO system and the coaches still game-planned his dual-threat ability into live-games.” — Steve Young also was able to pass the Barr exam and become a lawyer.
“If 3 happens, you know Reggie/DA are still doing due diligence, and tho they don’t like Pryor are still giving him an opportunity to compete, another year to prove he can absorb and grow.” — Why would they do and continue to invest time into someone that don’t want and take it away from someone that they do?
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In my mind they have him on the team for one of two reasons. They might be keeping his value as an unknown, so that they can some low pick back for him instead of just cutting him. Or they love his athletic capabilities and want to change him to WR or TE. They might think continually telling him that he’s not doing enough as a QB to make #2 is a good way to keep teaching him the NFL game and letting him finally come to grips with his natural position. That way he’ll be more bought in.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
i’ve decided i’m gonna try to be nice from now on. no more calling mistic and beech names. they’re sadsacks and it’s not nice to make fun of them. so i apologize for all the names i called u guys. i’m serious. make fun if u want to. but i’m taking the first step. i just think it’s not constructive to make fun of guys who clearly have some issues.
November 9th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
pryor is here because the new regime simply had no idea what to think of him. it would have been an unpopular move to cut him immediately, and he clearly is talented enough to get a look at.
his brief appearances in the preseason only served to complicate things. while he didn’t necessarily good, he flashed brilliance.
it’s hard for me to think he fits the profile of what they want, and since palmer is here for awhile, he may be traded in the offseason, especially since DA has shown no desire to use him at all.
of course, they haven’t used tebow in new york, and that would seem to make even more sense, as they are struggling and traded for him.
as for my opinion, i am rooting for him. he has impressive size, speed, arm strength, and work ethic. he really wants to be good. i wouldn’t put it past him.
he’s a bit of an enigma really.
November 10th, 2012 at 12:07 am
#827…
More assumptions by you. Your whole finishing statement one big personal assumption.
I saw plenty of Ohio in those years. Just load up the vs videos of Pryor and you WILL see…spread option plays–where pryor makes one quick read locking onto a receiver…him making a read-option and bolting with the ball….even in the spread, some plays where it’s a multi-read play and he has to make multiple reads and/or the line breaks down and he has to run around a bit but looks to make a throw downfield, going thru reads, before delivering an accurate pass…as well as many designed QB keepers….and then a bunch of plays under center running the same WCO houston system knapp has here, where he rollsout from a playaction and has a single read deep that he hits with perfection….and other plays under center where he drops back 3 or 5 steps, and you see him making his progressions, before delivering it to a 2nd or 3rd read, while other plays he makes a couple reads, doesnt risk it and instead bolts downfield.
There’s a variety of things he did. More predominantly spread option, but there was a lot of pro-style elements and he performed them well, capably so a lot of the time. Not everything was successful, but the exposure and capability to run pro-style is there.
–Pryor is being developed as a traditional pocket-passer a la Rodgers who can bolt if need be….not because i say so, but because Pryor and Allen have said so themselves. Just read their interviews.
–Re: Stabler…the point was, like Priest and JFB also said before too, is that the old days of 3 year development of QBs is in the past. These days it’s all about getting them able to play asap. The whole FA thing and NFLPA rookie contracts further tweaked recently. Cowher set the blueprint. Now all of them do it and there’s been a much bigger ratio of rookies being successful starting from year 1.
–Re: Steve Young…again, you missed the point. Young’s academic abilities are not the point. My point was that just because the system is WCO doesn’t mean coaches won’t utilize players for their various abilities. If Pryor gets action, or ends up a starter, it’s not like the coaches will have completely stripped him of his running abilities, but instead they’ll utilize it like WCO did with Young. He will primarily be a pocket-passer, but having that ability the coaches will use it to aggravate DCs.
–Re: training camp…im again saying something you’re missing. Been saying this particular thing a lot tonight. Which is that not you nor I nor JFB nor priestt etc really know YET what RM/DA think of Pryor and his long-term viability in Oakland. Not YET. We’ll get an indication what they think as soon as the season is a wash…then how they proceed from then, the three different things that they could do, will be an indication.
November 10th, 2012 at 12:44 am
I think Pryor is along the lines of DHB; very talented but very raw prospect who needs a lot of work but has the character to improve. How much he can improve is unclear, and while I hope he becomes a starting-caliber qb, I believe the odds are against him. If he proves me wrong, I’ll be the happiest fan in the world. I’m just tired of waiting for prospects to develop.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:56 am
GG Says:
November 9th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Nite all, thanks for the intelligent debate. No matter which side of the fence we sit on.
Except Fangs, you’re a disgrace :p ======== WHEN JEW BRAINWASHED RACE-TRAITORS CALL NAMES I TAKE THAT AS A COMPLIMENT.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:00 am
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