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McFadden, Goodson and Seymour no-gos

By Steve Corkran
Friday, November 9th, 2012 at 12:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.

As expected, running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson, as well as defensive tackle Richard Seymour, won’t play Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said as much after his team wrapped up its third and final practice Friday and just before the team boarded buses for the short trip to the Oakland International Airport for the flight to Baltimore.
“You don’t ever know exactly how someone is going to respond to an injury,” Allen said in explaining why he waited until now to make the decision. “Obviously, none of them make enough progress this week that they were able to be up. We’ll probably be going through the same thing next week and we’ll see where we’re at.”
Allen said the Raiders will turn over the running game to second-year back Taiwan Jones and fullback Marcel Reece. It also helps that the Ravens are 29th against the run at an average of 139.5 yards per game.
Which player starts will depend upon how the Raiders open up on offense. Allen said Reece also will play some fullback.
This will be Jones’ first true chance to show what he can do in a regular-season game. Until now, he has been the No. 3 back for his first 1 1/2 NFL seasons.
Jones rushed 16 times for 73 yards last season. He carried the ball for the first time this season last Sunday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and netted 2 yards on his lone carry.
Reece isn’t a true running back, but he is fast enough and big enough to hold his own if called upon.
The Raiders still have the option of signing rookie running Jeremy Stewart from the practice squad between now and Sunday’s game. He will accompany the Raiders on the trip to Baltimore, Allen said.
McFadden, Goodson and Seymour sat out all three practices this week. Coaches typically are hesitant about playing players that don’t practice all week.

– Cornerback Shawntae Spencer also has been ruled out for Sunday’s game, which comes as no surprise, given he hasn’t practiced since he suffered a right foot injury almost two months ago.
Ron Bartell likely will be activated Saturday, Allen said, and start Sunday. He will play right cornerback as often as he can handle in his return from a shoulder injury suffered in the opener.
Michael Huff will play opposite Bartell, with Matt Giordano remaining at Huff’s regular free safety spot.

– Desmond Bryant will start in place of Seymour on Sunday, Allen said.
“He’s had absolutely no issues, at least any issues that I’m aware of or that our trainers are aware of,” Allen said in response to the fast, irregular heartbeat that hospitalized Bryant last Sunday.

– Willie Smith is going to remain the starting right offensive tackle for now, Allen said.
“He has continued to work, he has continued to try to improve,” Allen said. “Again, we feel like that he’s the guy that gives us the best chance to be successful. So, he’s going to continue staying in that role right now.”
Khalif Barnes just hasn’t had enough time to get into football shape yet, Allen said, after missing the past seven weeks with a groin injury.

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  • DJ Johnny

    GG,

    Even tho DMAC was playing “soft” and going out of bounds early on many plays he STILL ends up getting injured.

    He lasted 8 games. Kinda what the naysayers figured.

    Does anybody really think he’s coming back this year?

    Been there. Heard the b.s, not buying it.

  • mcfadden20.

    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Wtf are you talking about Mcfadden20?

    ——

    He got this old ass players who were good enough for 3-4 years , then all of them eventually retired or got long in the tooth , this is why we’re in this mess, had he drafted a young QB to groom with us, we would have never been in that long slump after Gannon went down, Won ring with TB team that was built by Dungy , relied on Dungy’s D to superbowl and then went down hill from there after Sapp and other retired , went all down from there

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “Dr_robert Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    Campbell was mediocre. Everyone knows it and that won’t change from some jack azz going on and on about how under appreciated he was.

    Our record breaking golden haired hero is way better. Ask anyone in the nfl v”

    I have said this so many times in here!

  • edward teach

    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:41 pm

    It all depends on what you get for DMC because anyone can be traded. But I wouldn’t do it only because you’d be operating from a position of weakness. No one is going to overpay for a injuriy-prone HB NO ONE!.

    ********************************************************

    Nobody’s going to build an offense around one either, including his current team.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    #589…

    See post #595

    We’re in agreement, you mistook my previous post. Just saying, in a pro-style offense, McFadden is important. Unfortunately, Knapp’s scheme isn’t best for McFadden. But, even in the right pro-style scheme, McFadden cant be relied on. Gets injured quickly for the remainder of a season (8 games). Ie, a RB like McFadden is important in a pro-style scheme, regardless of the scheme. But if that RB is constantly injured, or can only perform in one particular scheme, a scheme you likely aren’t going to use long-term, then that player is better off being traded. Especially when that player commands a high salary cap figure, is often injured, and mainly due to his high-first-round draft profile is the reason he keeps being utilized as a bell-cow back even tho he always gets injured or cannot perform well in the scheme you are focusing on, then trade him. Or, if you had the balls, you’d start Goodson ahead of him, you’d start the player more suitable to and performing better in the scheme you’re running.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    I got an email from the Raiders today, all of us season tix holders did,..begging us to renew now, within two weeks,…the know how hard its going to be to market a 3-13 team,…if Jon came back the place would sell out the entire 2013 season by June. There ya go.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:39 pm

    eastoaklandraider Says: sure he went 1-5 down the stretch which is what all the Hue haters point to ==

    I heard somewhere that it was Palmer that lost those games.
    =======================================

    In a must win game late in the season where your Q goes 30 for 40 for almost 400 yards, you score a defensive TD and lose by a point because you didn’t go for two when an extra point was meaningless? Uh, yeah, you SHOULD GET RUN!

  • MiamiRaider78

    Mac20, that was a longgggggg time ago.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Some loser in a blog hating on Jon Gruden,..shows what an idiot you are…put it this way, our of 32 teams in the NFL, all but about 2 teams would can their current coach to get Gruden on their sidelines.

  • mcfadden20.

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    Since Gruden was sold in the middle of the night its been a decade of embarrassments,…the one year, the Callahan year, yo dont think that was Jons work?…and Jon made sure to the world at the Superbowl whos team the Raiders were,…since that day, just check the records,…the worst in the NFL…now the Raiders have the worst GM in the league, who hired the worst head coach in the league, who hired a failed OC,..and also hired a Stanford defensive asst to be a DC in the NFL…you cant write crap like that, if you did nobody would believe you,…is a mess of extreme proportions. Not fixed anytime soon.

    Gruden went 8-8 his first 2 years , with a talented team , at that time ,before those 4 big years we just needed a coach to bring the team together and keep it in check , Gruden wouldn’t do sh1t with this team

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    The only team that wouldnt fire their coach for Gruden is the Niners,..Jim Harbaugh is easily the best coach in the NFL right now.

  • Raiders for life

    I have major doubts about Jones.
    If he doesn’t get his bell rung he will pull up limp with a hammy trying to get the next gear.
    Or….the fumblities will get him benched.
    All before the 1st qtr ends.
    I don’t have a good feeling about this running game.
    Praying for T. Jones to have a great game.

    Priesttj is right….Knapp should have been using him in spurts.

  • DJ Johnny

    I have to admit. IF we are 3-7…and it is a strong possibility, in fact PROBABILITY seeing as we’ll be big underdogs the next two weeks, don’t be surprised if we don’t see a phantom injury to Palmer cause him to ride the bench.

    IF that happens, i wanna see Pryor. Leinart in at that point does nothing.

    I wanna see what the kid can do in a real game.

    I’d be way more interested in watching the games with Pryor in than Leinart if it came down to it..

  • mcfadden20.

    Yeah i understand Gruden was our last winning coach , but get over the guy , he came into good situations , where as DA came into a situation where our D was last in the league last year, strung with salary cap

  • MiamiRaider78

    Gruden has sat back, observed and taken in plenty while he’s been in the booth. I think he’s going to come back and take the league by storm.

  • DJ Johnny

    ..let me clarify that i don’t wish anything to happen to Palmer, but IF it does…Pryor over Leinart.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    “Dr_robert Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    Campbell was mediocre. Everyone knows it and that won’t change from some jack azz going on and on about how under appreciated he was.

    Our record breaking golden haired hero is way better. Ask anyone in the nfl v”

    I have said this so many times in here!
    —————————————-

    Honestly you guys I don’t think Mistic is racist. I really don’t. In fact I find him quite informed. I think Mistic has, how do I say this, “preferences”, which I do as well. My preferences which kind of clash in here from time to time is that I like and support the guys wearing silver and black.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:55 pm

    GG,

    Even tho DMAC was playing “soft” and going out of bounds early on many plays he STILL ends up getting injured.

    He lasted 8 games. Kinda what the naysayers figured.

    Does anybody really think he’s coming back this year?

    Been there. Heard the b.s, not buying it.

    +++++++++++++++

    100% agree.

    He has been nursing his body far more this year, that’s patently true. Falling forward on contact, running out of bounds, etc. AND STILL GOT INJURED long-term with the usual foot injury!

    And his $$ and high-draft status. The whole “well we have to bell-cow him due to those two things”.

    Reggie even had a chance before trade-deadline, if he was really cutting-edge, to call up Jerry. Demarco at the time was injured, Cowboys struggling at RB. Call him, fleece him for a high conditional pick. Install Goodson at starter. Be proactive. A great GM cant be idle and conservative. Try and make things happen. Be forward thinking. Now, Reggie will have to shop around off-season and maybe get a lesser pick for DMac. That’s if he’s even still on contract? Is he a FA next year? I dont know.

  • MiamiRaider78

    I don’t care much about Mcfadden anymore, he’s a hope killer. Plus, I’m tired of wearing his jersey backwards in hopes I break some kind of spell he was under on Sundays, which was all bullshet. LOL

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Gruden cam into good situations?…I think Gruden came here inheriting a 4-12 team. H had no QB, George, Hollis, etc,..and made them good instantly,..got Gannon and made them great.

  • DJ Johnny

    What do you guys think? Honestly. Do we have a shot this Sunday?

    No koolaid. Whaddya think?

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    Did you guys see Playbook tonight? They completely ripped Pat Lee & Willie Smith. The plays they spotlighted they looked completely clueless…Of course, McNabb highlighted Reece and what a weapon he is…Maybe he can take over for Knapp-time.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    DMC is done dude, he wont play again this year and traded in off season for 6th rounder.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    DJ,..I dont drink kool aid,..Ravens win by at least 30,..and thats only if in the second half they ease off the throttle. Dont see the Raiders winning another game this year.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    What do you guys think? Honestly. Do we have a shot this Sunday?

    No koolaid. Whaddya think?

    ============================================

    IF we play 60 minutes of tough, smart football,

    IF our defensive tackles man their lanes and don’t get shoved around like checkers pieces,

    IF our middle linebacker knows his assignments and hits the right gaps,

    IF our o-line can open some holes for Taiwan, and

    IF that same o-line can keep Carson upright,

    Then yes, we have a legitimate shot.

  • DJ Johnny

    GG,

    IF Dmac comes back we may get something halfway decent for him, but i gotta think any GM is gonna look at the track record of injury AND his poor performance this yr. and not wanna give us anything for him.

    IF he doesn’t come back his value will plummet even more. No doubt.

  • MiamiRaider78

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    What do you guys think? Honestly. Do we have a shot this Sunday?

    No koolaid. Whaddya think?
    ———-
    I honestly think we do. We’ll amass 130 yds on the ground between our 2 backs and a WR reverse. Palmer will pass for 300 yds and we’ll create one turnover.

  • mcfadden20.

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm

    Gruden cam into good situations?…I think Gruden came here inheriting a 4-12 team. H had no QB, George, Hollis, etc,..and made them good instantly,..got Gannon and made them great.

    We only had 3 losing seasons dating back to 1989 before Gruden took over in 1998, he went couple of 8-8 seasons before finally breaking through in his 3rd year, so give DA some time, he will do wonderful things next year with some money to spend

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Gruden will likely be head coaching the Eagles or Browns next season.

    No point pining for Gruden when he’s eyeing those openings.

    I’d rather move on from that distant past too. I’d rather hire a Chip Kelly or Mike Leach, with their inventive ideas. Gruden is still WCO. I really don’t like the WCO or hybrid WCO. Even if it’s a proven success. I prefer more vertical aggressive ideas.

  • edward teach

    IF we play 60 minutes of tough, smart football,

    IF our defensive tackles man their lanes and don’t get shoved around like checkers pieces,

    IF our middle linebacker knows his assignments and hits the right gaps,

    IF our o-line can open some holes for Taiwan, and

    IF that same o-line can keep Carson upright,

    ********************************************************

    In other words, we’re going to get stomped, lol.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Wtf are you talking about Mcfadden20?

    ——

    He got this old ass players who were good enough for 3-4 years , then all of them eventually retired or got long in the tooth , this is why we’re in this mess, had he drafted a young QB to groom with us, we would have never been in that long slump after Gannon went down, Won ring with TB team that was built by Dungy , relied on Dungy’s D to superbowl and then went down hill from there after Sapp and other retired , went all down from there
    ———————

    I have to agree with Mcfadden20 here, Gruden is an avg coach at best, as we saw in TB, never got their O going because he didnt have an MVP Caliber Qb like gannon at his disposal. Gruden may succeed somewhere like SD where they have a good QB already in place. Gruden isnt a developmental type coach he needs a ready made team to succeed.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    GG Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
    Gruden will likely be head coaching the Eagles or Browns next season.

    No point pining for Gruden when he’s eyeing those openings.

    I’d rather move on from that distant past too. I’d rather hire a Chip Kelly or Mike Leach, with their inventive ideas. Gruden is still WCO. I really don’t like the WCO or hybrid WCO. Even if it’s a proven success. I prefer more vertical aggressive ideas.

    =================================================

    I still don’t see Chucky leaving the booth. He’s getting paid more money and has way less workload. He’s not shooting down the rumors because they feed his ego and it might lead to a big $$$ extension with ESPN.

  • DJ Johnny

    625,

    Ha. I laugh but you’re right. ALOT has to go our way to win this one.

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
    What do you guys think? Honestly. Do we have a shot this Sunday?

    No koolaid. Whaddya think?

    ===================

    Of course we have a shot, but if I was a betting man I would bet against us.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm

    GG,

    IF Dmac comes back we may get something halfway decent for him, but i gotta think any GM is gonna look at the track record of injury AND his poor performance this yr. and not wanna give us anything for him.

    IF he doesn’t come back his value will plummet even more. No doubt.

    ——

    Yep. Still a little peeved with Reggie for not seeing a golden opportunity just before trade deadline with Jerry Jones and their Murray injured long-term.

    We should all go cold on Dmac from now on here. He’s had his chances. It’s time to start rooting for Taiwan and Pryor. Wanting to and getting the opportunity to see them actually on-field for 2 consistent years to THEN properly judge them and decide THUMBSUP or THUMBSDOWN.

    Us blog Emperors, time to stand up and THUMBSDOWN McFadden’s Raider career and move on to other players.

  • DJ Johnny

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
    DJ,..I dont drink kool aid,..Ravens win by at least 30,..and thats only if in the second half they ease off the throttle. Dont see the Raiders winning another game this year.

    That’s a grim prognosis.

    If we lose by 30 pt’s.? Wow. What then?

    I guess we can pick it up the next week…against Brees. Aaaarrrgh.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Another idea is Sean Payton. If his contract is truly invalidated. And the Saints can’t get him re-signed. He’ll be a FA.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
    Silverandblack666 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm

    “Dr_robert Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    Campbell was mediocre. Everyone knows it and that won’t change from some jack azz going on and on about how under appreciated he was.

    Our record breaking golden haired hero is way better. Ask anyone in the nfl v”

    I have said this so many times in here!
    —————————————-

    Honestly you guys I don’t think Mistic is racist. I really don’t. In fact I find him quite informed. I think Mistic has, how do I say this, “preferences”, which I do as well. My preferences which kind of clash in here from time to time is that I like and support the guys wearing silver and black.
    ————-
    I agree Bush.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
    DJ,..I dont drink kool aid,..Ravens win by at least 30,..and thats only if in the second half they ease off the throttle. Dont see the Raiders winning another game this year.

    That’s a grim prognosis.

    If we lose by 30 pt’s.? Wow. What then?

    I guess we can pick it up the next week…against Brees. Aaaarrrgh.

    ===========================================

    Remember that Norco is often intentionally pessimistic.

  • mcfadden20.

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm

    Wtf are you talking about Mcfadden20?

    ——

    He got this old ass players who were good enough for 3-4 years , then all of them eventually retired or got long in the tooth , this is why we’re in this mess, had he drafted a young QB to groom with us, we would have never been in that long slump after Gannon went down, Won ring with TB team that was built by Dungy , relied on Dungy’s D to superbowl and then went down hill from there after Sapp and other retired , went all down from there
    ———————

    I have to agree with Mcfadden20 here, Gruden is an avg coach at best, as we saw in TB, never got their O going because he didnt have an MVP Caliber Qb like gannon at his disposal. Gruden may succeed somewhere like SD where they have a good QB already in place. Gruden isnt a developmental type coach he needs a ready made team to succeed.

    —-

    Exactly he’s not the coach for a development team or if your team consists of mostly young players…

    98 was way better than what DA took over , so no comparison between the 2

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  • DJ Johnny

    GG, I see where you’re going with this and you know what…if we are 3-7 then seeing Pryor come in will be the only excitement I see getting gleaned from the rest of the season.

  • L.A. Raider Dave

    LAKERS!!!!!

  • mcfadden20.

    Gruden neglected drafting any players and grooming them ,he lived and died with only guys who were future HOF’s BROWN, RICE, WOODSON, and others, then when all those retired or moved on we had nothing left, no PLayer we drafted in 98 to rely on, no player drafted in 99 to rely on , it goes on and on

  • mcfadden20.

    Going 1-3 for the Lakers was the best thing to happen to them , we were not going to go any where with M Brown, he’s a guy who can work with those extra motor guys and build a good D , and live with 1 guy scoring most of the points , but working with all stars just comes with so many problems

  • DJ Johnny

    I’m trying to be optimistic in imagining how glorious it would be to beat Balt. on Sunday and then do the same to Brees the week after.

    With all the suffering we’ve had to endure, seems like we deserve something good like that to happen to us, but it seems so damn improbable.

    Too used to the drubbings and the “if we would’ve just done this or that we woudl’ve won” stuff.

    Here’s an idea. How about comin’ thru for us this weekend instead. How’s that for an idea?

    I feel like i’m always begging and pleading for a nice win or two. I’m sick of it.

    Win some games for us. Make us happy for once.

    Thank you.

  • mcfadden20.

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    I’m trying to be optimistic in imagining how glorious it would be to beat Balt. on Sunday and then do the same to Brees the week after.

    With all the suffering we’ve had to endure, seems like we deserve something good like that to happen to us, but it seems so damn improbable.

    Too used to the drubbings and the “if we would’ve just done this or that we woudl’ve won” stuff.

    Here’s an idea. How about comin’ thru for us this weekend instead. How’s that for an idea?

    I feel like i’m always begging and pleading for a nice win or two. I’m sick of it.

    Win some games for us. Make us happy for once.

    Thank you.

    —-

    I feel we can pull this off, 27-20. enjoy

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    GG, I see where you’re going with this and you know what…if we are 3-7 then seeing Pryor come in will be the only excitement I see getting gleaned from the rest of the season.

    ——

    Lol, yep. Look, for sure Palmer is the best QB we’ve had for years. And he’s a trooper too. Really studies and teaches everyone under him, a leader, and has the arm and can make all the throws etc etc. But yeah. And I agree with whomever also said….no point playing Leinart at all. It’s gotta be Palmer or Pryor at some point, to assess him. Leinart was ONLY brought in just in case Palmer went down early or if we still had playoff contention.

    Mathematically we do, but it’s probable that if we go 3-6, 3-7, we’ll see Pryor starting.

    Even if Palmer is going to remain here next year, get him out there and assess, with Palmer helping him develop.

    And Sunday…time to root for Taiwan. McFadden is yesterdays hope.

  • DJ Johnny

    You know what i’m really sick of? I’m sick of looking at games on the schedule and having a dreaded feeling in my stomach.

    I wanna turn on my tv and see my Raiders kicking some arse. That’s what I want.

    I wanna see New Orleans on the schedule and KNOWING we are gonna beat ‘em, instead of devising complicated scenarios in my mind of how we MAY be able to hang with ‘em and maybe get lucky and eek out a win.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    And you’re on point…3-6, 3-7, harder and harder to sell tickets, as JONGRUDEN already explained with the Raider emails already coming looking for people to buy tickets. Seeing what we have with Pryor, Jones, Bergstrom, etc…that’s what’ll sell tickets ONCE the season is in a 3-6 nose-dive. Fans will take enjoyment in such a lost-cause season purely to assess our future prospect young’uns.