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McFadden, Goodson and Seymour no-gos

As expected, running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson, as well as defensive tackle Richard Seymour, won’t play Sunday against the Baltimore Ravens.
Raiders coach Dennis Allen said as much after his team wrapped up its third and final practice Friday and just before the team boarded buses for the short trip to the Oakland International Airport for the flight to Baltimore.
“You don’t ever know exactly how someone is going to respond to an injury,” Allen said in explaining why he waited until now to make the decision. “Obviously, none of them make enough progress this week that they were able to be up. We’ll probably be going through the same thing next week and we’ll see where we’re at.”
Allen said the Raiders will turn over the running game to second-year back Taiwan Jones and fullback Marcel Reece. It also helps that the Ravens are 29th against the run at an average of 139.5 yards per game.
Which player starts will depend upon how the Raiders open up on offense. Allen said Reece also will play some fullback.
This will be Jones’ first true chance to show what he can do in a regular-season game. Until now, he has been the No. 3 back for his first 1 1/2 NFL seasons.
Jones rushed 16 times for 73 yards last season. He carried the ball for the first time this season last Sunday against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers and netted 2 yards on his lone carry.
Reece isn’t a true running back, but he is fast enough and big enough to hold his own if called upon.
The Raiders still have the option of signing rookie running Jeremy Stewart from the practice squad between now and Sunday’s game. He will accompany the Raiders on the trip to Baltimore, Allen said.
McFadden, Goodson and Seymour sat out all three practices this week. Coaches typically are hesitant about playing players that don’t practice all week.

– Cornerback Shawntae Spencer also has been ruled out for Sunday’s game, which comes as no surprise, given he hasn’t practiced since he suffered a right foot injury almost two months ago.
Ron Bartell likely will be activated Saturday, Allen said, and start Sunday. He will play right cornerback as often as he can handle in his return from a shoulder injury suffered in the opener.
Michael Huff will play opposite Bartell, with Matt Giordano remaining at Huff’s regular free safety spot.

– Desmond Bryant will start in place of Seymour on Sunday, Allen said.
“He’s had absolutely no issues, at least any issues that I’m aware of or that our trainers are aware of,” Allen said in response to the fast, irregular heartbeat that hospitalized Bryant last Sunday.

– Willie Smith is going to remain the starting right offensive tackle for now, Allen said.
“He has continued to work, he has continued to try to improve,” Allen said. “Again, we feel like that he’s the guy that gives us the best chance to be successful. So, he’s going to continue staying in that role right now.”
Khalif Barnes just hasn’t had enough time to get into football shape yet, Allen said, after missing the past seven weeks with a groin injury.

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  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 9:39 pm

    GG, Your post made me think of something else too. You mention how Cowher basically “simplified” the offense for Ben…making it easy as possible for him to transition. That suggests that he limited the playbook as well, allowing Ben to work with just a few plays and the variations from those plays; and yet they still WON games.

    It leads to the thought that maybe that’s part of the Raiders problem. Too much having to “think” about things and not enough just “playing”.

    Makes me think if a team can EXECUTE, that even running a very limited but MASTERED playbook is a route toward winning games.

    If a team EXECUTES…no matter what plays they run and even if the defense KNOWS what the other team is doing…they can’t stop it if they EXECUTE those plays.

    It appears to me throughout this whole zbs implementation that there is just too much dang thinking going on.

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    Very correct in your conclusion. This year has been difficult because the new regime has thrust a whole bunch of new schemes on both offense and defense, and they’re still trying to learn the complexities of those every week. Even the players have said this recently, guys like Wisniewski saying how it’s good Knapp has finally listened to the players to implement pbs, things they know well and execute well from previous years of absorbing it.

  • lefty12

    Actually Priest I’m saying pretty much what you are.He is the 3rd string developmental QB.#rd string developmental QBs don’t play.I’ve been saying that forever.I also keep saying the coaches know what they have because they watch him daily.My only question was why bring in a QB for a workout if they are happy with what they have?

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    BFD that Bergstrom was the highest Raider draft pick,..he was stil like a 3rd rounder…if Bergstrom ever plays this year its because the line is terrible. So ya, he should have started a few weeks ago.

  • Priesttj12

    Lefty12, you are correct Plamer should start every game but if we are out of the playoffs. Why not play Pryor in 2nd halfs of games if it’s been decided in mop up roles if need be once we’re out of it……..I think the fans are correct when they say we need to see what we have. Pryor excites the imagination with his talent and giving the kid some snaps this year in games can only advance his developement to OUT OWN advantage it’s just common sense.

  • JB

    I hate to think that Bergstrom is less talented or skilled as Willie Smith. If so, he’s screwed – we’re screwed!

    IMO, Wiz 2.0 is a better guard than he is a center. I’d like to see him move over to LG, bring Parsons back in at center, move “old” Carlisle back to RG, bench Brisel and find someone better than WSmith to play ORT.

  • lefty12

    GG-he won’t start any games this year barring injury.That is the way the NFL works.Again,this isn’t college.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Priest youre wrong,..fans dont want to see Pryor in a game,..Im at every game and Iv never heard it,..oh, wait, you mean people on this blog want to see him in a game?????…LMAO…fans. Good one.

  • Priesttj12

    Because you never stop trying to improve your roster no matter who gets rattled by it. That other QB may be in line for Leinarts job tho did you ever consider that? Leinart makes a lot of money and they may be thinking ahead. Their reasoning doesn’t have to be Pryor based at all.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    We should start TP, if our season is over. If we are 3 games behind in the west with 2 games left and no chance for WC, then why not start TP, rest Palmer, and evaluate the young talent?

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Pryor will never start a game in Oakland or anywhere in the NFL,..maybe in the arena league, but I highly doubt that too.

  • lefty12

    If Pryor was thrown to the wolves in mop up duty it could retard his progress.He might resort to the player he was in college-take off too soon,not make reads.When he got here most agreed the best thing that we could do was sit his a$$ for a few years so he could learn,like Rodgers did.Now everyones patience is gone and you want him to play NOW.Wouldn’t it be better to follow the way Rodgers was brought along than go the Russell route and possibly ruin him?

  • hellsbells

    You keep playing Palmer so you can evaluate the rest of your talent.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    you are correct Plamer should start every game but if we are out of the playoffs. Why not play Pryor in 2nd halfs of games if it’s been decided in mop up roles if need be once we’re out of it……..I think the fans are correct when they say we need to see what we have. Pryor excites the imagination with his talent and giving the kid some snaps this year in games can only advance his developement to OUT OWN advantage it’s just common sense.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Good post BHP.

  • JB

    So if John Gruden is in line to take over the HC job in Philly, where does Mike Holmgren end up after his GM gig at the Browns is over at the end of the year? He has said he wants back in at coaching. Jacksonville maybe? There’s also rumblings of Marty Shottenheimer to the Chiefs. That will still leave an opening at the Chargers after Norv & the GM gets the axe. Lots of changes going on. You’d think they were the Raider organization.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 9:51 pm

    BFD that Bergstrom was the highest Raider draft pick

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    Problem with you sometimes is you don’t properly read what someone is saying, just want to post back a repartee.

    I mentioned Bergstroms draft position purely to show that even tho a player got drafted high by the incumbent new GM, his very own player, and the one he most wanted given he was the one he drafted highest, he still hasn’t started a game is NOT an indication that the GM/HC think that player sucks and is on the bubble of being released/traded before he’s had his on-field evaluations.

    Bergstrom is still being developed. They dont think he’s ready. And he wont be fully NFL ready when they do start him. Like Burris wasn’t fully ready. Like Criner. All guys Reggie drafted with his own hand. None of them have started fully ready, and some of them still havent — Crawford, Bilukidi.

    The same of certain players Reggie didnt draft but still is evaluating — Taiwan (starts finally this week), Pryor (wont start till playoffs are gone). These guys are no different to the ones Reggie drafted. All those yet to start or see much action, will at some point for evaluation. Some have HAD TO start sooner than they were fully ready (Burris) because they were so short at LB + McClain’s impending appeal.

  • Priesttj12

    JB now I can, but I never worked directly with Mr Davis I worked in the scouting dept. with Jon Kingdon and Kent McCloughan. I was adopted by Dan Connors many years ago and got to Jon through him. For about 10 years I would study film there and at home and scout upcoming teams for them.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    I would love Holmgren as Oaklands HC,….but idiot Reggie will go 3-13 for three years with DA Im sure.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Hellsbells Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
    You keep playing Palmer so you can evaluate the rest of your talent.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Like who?
    Streater & Criner are active on gamedays.
    T Jones?
    Ausberry?

  • lefty12

    I’m tired of this BS that we need to see him now.He needs the experience now.I watched the greatest QB the Oakland Raiders have ever had,Kenny ‘the Snake’ Stabler sit on the bench for 3 years.He didn’t mop up games,Blanda did.He didn’t start late in the season.He didn’t come in in relief.He sat and learned.The same should happen to Pryor.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Holmgren is a good coach but he needs a good GM who can get him talent.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    There’s a big assumption there that the ONLY reasons Pryor hasn’t started are obstacles x, y and z. But guess what? He got beat out by Leinart in camp. And apparently hasn’t done anything to surpass him yet.

    Remember, as far as Reggie and DA are concerned, Pryor is just another dude on this roster that they can upgrade if they find someone better fitting for what they want. I think that time is coming.

    I know that you, and many Raider fans are enamored with his ability to run with the ball. I’m not, because I prefer QBs that play QB first, and only run when it’s the last best option. Apparently, so do Knapp and DA as that is what their system favors, so let’s move on from Al’s last pure athletic project pick and get on to what this brand of Raiders is playing.

    And let me be real clear on something here. I don’t have an issue with a QB whether black or white. I just know from many many many seasons of studying football how rare successful run oriented QBs are. The whole thing that steers this towards racism is because so many of the black QBs that come out of college these days are great athletes first. Show me the black QB coming out that is not a great runner and I’ll get behind him. I was a huge fan of Warren Moon and became more and more a fan of McNair as he got older and ran less, because I watched him develop into a better QB.

    My issue with running QBs is this: you only get so many skill points to allocate to your development (kind of liking allocating points in an RPG :-) Unless your Weeden, by the time you’ve come out of college you’ve gotten roughly the number of reps as everyone else.

    If you are dangerous runner and you are encouraged to do so in high school and college, then you are going to develop that part of your game and others less. If you’re told to make one or two reads and then take off, you aren’t going to learn to make third and fourth reads. If you know that you can exploit a weakness in a defense with a QB run, then you are going to focus on reading those situations and only doing enough in the passing game to set those up. And if you are a very good runner and adequate passer, you can get through the lower levels of college with success, as so many have done in the past.

    Now contrast that with a QB that is a subpar runner his whole developmental career. They have to develop differently or else they don’t get the next level. How they do that is by learning how to make pre-snap reads focused on finding the passing defense weakness only. They then have to be very good at reading all the way through their progressions in short order. They have to know how to stand in and take the hit to make the throw, which it often takes to make that play happen.

    OK, so we have two basic types of paths to get through to make it to an NFL camp as a QB (and of course hybrids but let’s keep it simple for now). What types of assets are required to develop in either? First, they both share lots of the same, mostly around being able to make NFL throws physically and accurately enough. The both need to be big and durable enough. They both need some amounts of leadership qualities. We need not discuss the similarites.

    For the differences, as a runner, you have to be able to run first well first. It helps to be elusive, good at breaking tackles, good at sensing where run tackling will or won’t be — basically a lot of the same skills RBs need. If you don’t have those, then you’re not a good running QB, are you? Which means you’re more of a pure passing QB. For that to happen, you need great reading skills and the mental ability to read patterns opening and closing quickly and in a rapid sequence. If you don’t do this well, you end up forcing passes to first and second reads resulting in incompletes or picks when they aren’t open. In that case you don’t move forward. If you do, it’s because you have a brain capable of making the fast decisions necessary.

    There it is. If you cannot run, you’re only option is to separate yourself based on your mental game. If you can run, it doesn’t make you incapable of having the same mental game, but it means you haven’t developed it as much or proven that you have it because you haven’t needed to.

    As simply put as I can make it, to be a successful pocket passer in the NFL you have to be pretty damn smart. If you happen to also be fast but just don’t use it much, that’s great. Likewise, to be a successful running QB in the NFL you have to have great mobility skills first. Yes, you also need to have some of the mental skills to a lesser extent as a pocket guy, but not as much and you also haven’t spent as much effort developing them. Yes, you can also be mensa level intelligent as a nice side effect, but it’s not a requirement.

    Now statistically, very few people have enough combined physical and mental skill to be an NFL starting QB. And those that do tend to lean one way or the other for the most part. Those that have both are exceptional. The only ones I can think of that were so high up in each category would be Steve Young, Randall Cunningham, and arguably Fran Tarkenton.

    This is why when I see run first QBs, I look for certain things to show me that they have the intellect as well. I watch their decision making on film. I watch how fully and quickly they assess the defense pre-snap and get the adjustments barked out to the offense in time. I watch how much they check down on their reads and how quickly they are looking to flee the pocket.

    RGIII does a lot of these things pretty well for a rookie, which is what makes him pretty rare. He could be another McNair if he can survive the extra beating that run heavy QBs take in his career. By that I mean someone that came into the league using a lot of running and then the more they learned, the less they ran and the more they just picked their spots, honing their passing skills along the way. I have less faith that Cam will do this, because he seems to just use threat of his big running body to draw a specific defender and then hits that primary target. Defenses can, and have been figuring that out after his first surprise season.

    Getting to Pryor, I’m not seeing it. He struggles just being able to repeat the play radioed into his helmet to the huddle. Plunkett went out of his way to praise him for just getting that right in preseason, claiming that it is hard for a young QB. Sure it is, as are 100 other things in the game, but I never saw an announcer (especially ex QB) that felt he had to make that excuse for a player. He looks absolutely clueless when reading pre-snap and doesn’t seem to come out of the exercise with any audibles. Worse, go look at all of his college highlight plays. You’ll see one of two things: 1) locked onto a single WR from the snap that throws to when wide open against crappy college DBs, or 2) watches the same WR, doesn’t see it, and takes off running. You have to look REALLY hard to find a case of him checking down even once off his primary, and in most those it’s after a wild scramble where he turns away from looking downfield then finds the closest guy to him when he finally spins back around.

    The last nail in the coffin for Pryor with me? My brother, another big Raiders fan, owns a restaurant and was talking to one of his customers. The guy ended up sitting next to Gruden on a plane flying back from his QB Camp TV show. When asked about Pryor, Gruden’s word, “Dumb as s#1t!!!”

  • JB

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 10:03 pm

    I would love Holmgren as Oaklands HC,….but idiot Reggie will go 3-13 for three years with DA Im sure.
    ********************

    Both with Green Bay lineage I wonder how the relationship is between Holmgren & RM? Might be a little uncomfortable with the role reversal though. RM worked FOR Holmgren. If he came here it would be the other way around. Probably not realistic to even think about it Holmgren could get a much better deal at Jacksonville. Might even have a shot at GM/HC with the new foreign owner who has put everybody on notice. The timing for Holmgren couldn’t be better.

  • hellsbells

    768. Yes. Also you evaluate your whole scheme. Can not do that with a kid running. Gunning. Let Pryor mature and like I said hope he wins the backup job next year. Then he can get some snaps lie Kapernik.

  • ron69

    A match made in hell, the worst starting tackle in football versus the defensive player of the year, we can’t blame ugly Willie this time and Palmer might be done after the first quarter.

  • Priesttj12

    Lefty12, things have changed to some extent, it depends on what he’s doing in practice and based on reports he’s looking good. I have no idea what plans they ahve for Pryor but if they have him slated for the backup role next year. How can it hurt to get some snaps and feel what it’s like to face live bullets in case he’s thrown into a starting role next year. That IMO is just being Prudent. In Stablers case we had Blanda if Lamonica went down, who knows if they plan to keep Leinart or not. That IMO would be the deciding factor. What are their plans going forward are they with Leinart or Pryor if with Pryor they should let him get his feet wet, WHY NOT?

  • lefty12

    The other morning on Mike and Mike ,they were discussing this very topic but weren’t talking Raiders.Greenberg said he thought at the end of the year he didn’t see why teams didn’t play guys to better evaluate them.Golic said you can’t do it due to the message it sends to the rest of the team,that you are asking players to continue to bust their a$$e$ while you as a coaching staff have given up.This from an ex player,and a pretty good one at that.

  • hellsbells

    775. Because you play to win the game.

  • Priesttj12

    There’s a big assumption there that the ONLY reasons Pryor hasn’t started are obstacles x, y and z. But guess what? He got beat out by Leinart in camp. And apparently hasn’t done anything to surpass him yet.

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    Pryor is 3rd string because Leinart is a WCO product…plaina and simple. He has 8 years in this system on Pryor to say he beat him out is an opinion nothing more.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Hellsbells Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
    768. Yes. Also you evaluate your whole scheme. Can not do that with a kid running. Gunning. Let Pryor mature and like I said hope he wins the backup job next year. Then he can get some snaps lie Kapernik.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    You don’t think 13-14 games (with Palmer) is enough time to evaluate the “whole scheme”?

  • hellsbells

    No.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    Pryor will never start a game in Oakland or anywhere in the NFL,..maybe in the arena league, but I highly doubt that too.

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    Amen. Anyone want to start a vote? You got two here that say no way already.

    Disclaimer: will never start a game as a QB. He just might start some sort of wildcard/Tebow gimmick or converted to TE or something.

  • hellsbells

    It has been 8 games. You don’t throw games away. Let him earn his way onto the field. This is not college. That being said with all the injuries maybe at least activate him for a limited number of plays. Could be good around the goal line/short yardage.

  • Priesttj12

    The other morning on Mike and Mike ,they were discussing this very topic but weren’t talking Raiders.Greenberg said he thought at the end of the year he didn’t see why teams didn’t play guys to better evaluate them.Golic said you can’t do it due to the message it sends to the rest of the team,that you are asking players to continue to bust their a$$e$ while you as a coaching staff have given up.This from an ex player,and a pretty good one at that.

    ***************************************************

    Lefty12, That’s fine but it’s an org. decision if indeed what we’re hearing about Pryor’s development ity behooves them to get him game action going forward. Or else you asking for the same situation as TJ is in now. No game experience and now he’s the starter it doesn’t make sense. How can it hurt when the starter is still starting but in situations when you can you play the heir apparent. How is that wrong they did the same thing with Rogers eventhough Farve hated why risk the starter in a blowout loss or win when you don’t have to.

    What about this don’t you understand…..the season is over by all practical purposes. How is that giving up when IT’S OVER??

  • hellsbells

    Why not replace all the starters then, play all the backups. Hell seasons over. Why, because he I not ready and this is a business. Palmer benched for being the only one plying good. Gret measage for the team. Let him earn his playing time.

  • lefty12

    Rodgers didn’t play for Favre.We don’t know if they view Pryor as the heir apparent.I haven’t read or heard anything to say he is deemed the heir apparent.Just the ‘fans’ on here.The saying goes ‘it ain’t over til it’s over’.You act as if Palmer only has only the rest of this year or a year left.What is to say he doesn’t play another 3-6 years?Pryor will get plenty of work in the OTAs and in training camp.For the foreseeable future Palmer isn’t going anywhere so what is the hurry?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Hellsbells Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
    It has been 8 games. You don’t throw games away. Let him earn his way onto the field. This is not college. That being said with all the injuries maybe at least activate him for a limited number of plays. Could be good around the goal line/short yardage.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Not after 8 games. I said 13-14 which is enough time to evaluate the “whole scheme” IMO, and that’s only if we can’t make the POs.

  • hellsbells

    Read 785, could not have said it better. Time my friend, time. Then we will see what Pryor has, let him it.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Pryor is 3rd string because Leinart is a WCO product…plaina and simple. He has 8 years in this system on Pryor to say he beat him out is an opinion nothing more.

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    Russell Wilson, a rookie with no prior any offense experience didn’t need that excuse. He came in and beat out a highly sought after FA that has a resume reading that he through 6 TDs in an NFL game and experience in one of the most prolific offense of this era. He also trounced the incumbent, Tavaris Jackson along the way. This is not an opinion, it’s a fact.

    It’s also a fact that Pryor did not beat out Leinart based on the very real evidence that one is uniform in Sundays and one is not.

    Put the two facts together and you see that prior experience does not guarantee rankings in training camp and that Pryor didn’t do anything to convince DA and staff that he deserves a higher ranking.

    Side note: why did *I* think Wilson won out? Well, look at his college career. He started out run happy his first few seasons and was a decent passer. In his senior year, he moved to Wisconsin and cut his run attempts almost in half. Along the way, his completion percentage climbed about 15% and he had an astronimcal 33 TDs to 4 INT ratio. You know what he did there? He proved to the league that he could play QB at the next level while still throwing 4 times for every QB run.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I agree. He has to earn it.

  • Priesttj12

    Lefty12, If Palmer plays another 4-6 years then obviously he’s playing extremely well. That is a good thing, my point along with everyone else’s is it will be hard to stay in that role if Pryor is who I think he is. If he is NOT I wWANT palmer here for the next 4-6 years.

    Understand this is not a knock on Palmer at all I’m telling what I see in Pryormay supercede that as Palmer gets older. He may not be able to hold onto that job with this kid coming the wya he’s coming. And that is a good thing as well it’s a win win situation how can we go wrong with either given the situation.

    If Pryor developes in such a way that they have to play him. How is that a bad thing? If palmer plays so well he doesn’t give way, how is that a bad thing. All I’m saying is this kid is special I didn’t push like hell to get this kid for nothing. I saw greatness in him absolute greatness or I wouldn’t have bothered……….period

  • lefty12

    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
    Lefty12, If Palmer plays another 4-6 years then obviously he’s playing extremely well. That is a good thing, my point along with everyone else’s is it will be hard to stay in that role if Pryor is who I think he is. If he is NOT I wWANT palmer here for the next 4-6 years.

    Understand this is not a knock on Palmer at all I’m telling what I see in Pryormay supercede that as Palmer gets older. He may not be able to hold onto that job with this kid coming the wya he’s coming. And that is a good thing as well it’s a win win situation how can we go wrong with either given the situation.

    If Pryor developes in such a way that they have to play him. How is that a bad thing? If palmer plays so well he doesn’t give way, how is that a bad thing. All I’m saying is this kid is special I didn’t push like hell to get this kid for nothing. I saw greatness in him absolute greatness or I wouldn’t have bothered……….period
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    What is the hurry?The time to play him will be when he has shown he has earned it and deserves to play,not before.If and when he develops as you believe,then he should see the field.Until that happens it would send the wrong message to the rest of the players working their butts off trying to get into games but can’t.

  • hellsbells

    I would love to see TP earn it and come in confident. His physical skills can not be taught. I believe he is working on his mechanics/footwork. Cleans this up and we have a gem on our hands. Until then Palmer should be the unquestioned starter.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    #771…

    A lot of assumptions in that post too. And some incorrect. Pryor did run a bunch of pro-style packages at Ohio. Meaning he did go thru progressions, look off safeties etc. There is enough video of this on youtube to see actual instances of all this yourself. He wasn’t “just” a spread option QB, (where those nuances are not done, where they just quick read and throw or bolt).

    All I’m re-iterating is what Priestt also agreed and articulated. Pryor is #3, he is being developed as a traditional pocket-passer who can bolt if needed (a la Rodgers/Luck). He is being developed into the system we’re running WCO, drop-back passing. And that DA/Knapp/Reggie will get Pryor out there soon as they can in live game situations, because there’s two whole worlds of evaluation. A #3 in training is not getting any reps, playing scout team for the defense, just studies, throws passes without an OL/Defense to those #4-6 depth chart WRs, TEs, RBs, and practice squad guys while Palmer and Leinart are running the full drills with OL/DL. He’s biding his time traditionally like Aaron Rodgers. Reggie saw that process and is a believer of it.

    Stabler sat for 3 years. That’s how they did it in the past. These days, clubs are more pressed to get their rookie starting sooner than later. Why Cowher set the blueprint that’s been followed since with a much higher success rate league-wide using Cowher’s approach.

    Remember Steve Young was a true dual-threat QB too and he was still able to learn the WCO system and the coaches still game-planned his dual-threat ability into live-games. Didn’t stop him from being a dual-threat. If and when Pryor is ready the coaches want him #2 or #1, and he gets on the field, they wont strip Pryor of his athletic abilities, not utilize him on designed QB bootlegs, draw plays, and even some option plays. But that’s all later in his development. They want to get his pocket passing fundamentals and muscle-memory down pat.

    Just saying that at this point there is only three things that can happen when the season is mathematically a wash….

    1. Pryor gets 2nd halves, and/or starts.
    2. Pryor doesn’t get any starts or halves and is released off-season.
    3. Pryor comes back next season, another training camp, and another QB drafted to compete with him, and whomever loses out will get released, the other become the back-up to Palmer and ultimately take over Palmer in say 2014/15 and Palmer stays on to be the vet back-up.

    If 1 happens, you know Reggie/DA are doing due diligence like i said they would even if they dont like Pryor.

    If 2 happens, you know Reggie/DA don’t believe in Pryor at all and want their own QB to draft. And so all those who say “Pryor sucks and never will amount to anything” can say “told you so.”

    If 3 happens, you know Reggie/DA are still doing due diligence, and tho they don’t like Pryor are still giving him an opportunity to compete, another year to prove he can absorb and grow. And so all those who are non-committed to either side, not biased against Pryor nor particularly a cheerleader for him, can say “all those people proclaiming they know what Reggie/DA really think about Pryor, either for/against, are wrong, they’re just running an org professionally, Reggie is not trying to rid the Raiders of Al players, he only cares about a transparent professional evaluation process no matter how you got here, and none of you know what they think until they act on it, just like how we feel here on the blog saying, honestly dont know if pryor is or isnt, will be interesting to see pryor if hes ready, and if he isnt, big deal, i trust reggie/DA’s decisions and players acquired.”

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  • hellsbells

    Thanks for the debate gentleman, have a good night.
    Raiders

  • Priesttj12

    Russell Wilson in terms of technigue and readiness is far ahead of Pryor and many other rookie QB’s. Wilson’s only drawback was his height other than that he is right there with RGIII and Luck. The kids football acumen is second to none. He was well schooled in the passing game. Pryor wasn’t he was used as an athlete but when he was alllowed to show his ability to throw in big games I saw something that was extremelt exciting he was just very raw.

    If Pryor had been schooled in the same fashion as the others Pryor would’ve been a 1st overall pick making millions. I said it when he was available that if we could get coaches to coach this kid up and he stay in the same system long enough to get a firm handle on it. Look OUT!!

    He’s never been allowed to just play from the pocket like others but I saw a real ability to do that if given the chance……………period

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    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
    Pryor will never start a game in Oakland or anywhere in the NFL,..maybe in the arena league, but I highly doubt that too. ============ PRYOR = DUMB AS SH!T

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    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 9th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    He’s never been allowed to just play from the pocket like others but I saw a real ability to do that if given the chance……………period ================= KEEP DREAMING

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  • Priesttj12

    A lot of assumptions in that post too. And some incorrect. Pryor did run a bunch of pro-style packages at Ohio. Meaning he did go thru progressions, look off safeties etc. There is enough video of this on youtube to see actual instances of all this yourself. He wasn’t “just” a spread option QB, (where those nuances are not done, where they just quick read and throw or bolt).

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    This is very true, but people don’t wnat to accept it. In the bowl game vs Arkansas watch him from the pocket. It’s all there and the bowl game vs Ore. in the 1st qrtr he shredded their defense from the pocket. Threw all the throws accurately. You see him do this and it’s like why in hell didn’t they use him like this all the time? He had the ability it was NOT exploited to the extent it should’ve been…………period