Comments on: Raiders cut Lee, put Spencer on IR to make room for Bartell, Stewart http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/ A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group Sun, 19 May 2013 01:43:22 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: papertiger418 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120323 papertiger418 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 01:31:18 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120323 Just read on PFT that Terrell Williams, our d-line coach, just lost his 4 yr old son, Tyson, to an unexpected illness today. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/10/raiders-assistant-coach-terrell-williams-4-year-old-son-dies/ Thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family. Just read on PFT that Terrell Williams, our d-line coach, just lost his 4 yr old son, Tyson, to an unexpected illness today.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/10/raiders-assistant-coach-terrell-williams-4-year-old-son-dies/

Thoughts and prayers go out to him and his family.

]]> By: Raidernationdave http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120320 Raidernationdave Sun, 11 Nov 2012 01:22:43 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120320 Bring back Burnt Toast!!!!! Bring back Burnt Toast!!!!!

]]> By: Twinkle http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120212 Twinkle Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:59:24 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120212 Great post Kell!!!!Don't agree with all of it but then again I don't have to.Great Post. Great post Kell!!!!Don’t agree with all of it but then again I don’t have to.Great Post.

]]> By: Twinkle http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120207 Twinkle Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:57:54 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120207 Priesttj12….as much as I respect your opinion I just do not envision a very large WR with the softest hands I have ever seen have the instinct at the LOS to avoid the catastrophe that awaits those don’t have it.His blocking at the LOS is nowhere near the level it is down field on DB’s and LB’s……course we have our best wideout at FB for some reason.Tampa’s Dline was very very big fast and effective and our Oline did great holding em for as long as they did.We did have 10 at the line most of the second half and our WR’s were running routes while our QB was trying his best to keep a play alive instead of turning back to help. Somehow I think Tom had a little more to work with in Bo,Marcus,Steve Smith,Eric Dickerson et al. Priesttj12….as much as I respect your opinion I just do not envision a very large WR with the softest hands I
have ever seen have the instinct at the LOS to avoid the
catastrophe that awaits those don’t have it.His blocking
at the LOS is nowhere near the level it is down field on
DB’s and LB’s……course we have our best wideout at
FB for some reason.Tampa’s Dline was very very big fast
and effective and our Oline did great holding em for as long as they did.We did have 10 at the line most of the second half and our WR’s were running routes while our QB was trying his best to keep a play alive instead of turning back to help.
Somehow I think Tom had a little more to work with in
Bo,Marcus,Steve Smith,Eric Dickerson et al.

]]> By: Autumn Rising http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120186 Autumn Rising Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:41:10 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120186 '- The start of the era of Reggie’s guys making a name for themselves on the roster, like Burris, Briesl and Streater' -------------------------------------------------------- Brisiel is the worst FA pickup of the year. The fu**ed part is that he's the one player that we signed for multiple years. Hope he was another one of the failed Knapp / Pollack experiment and Reggie's hands are relatively clean of this severe hit and miss. I sincerely hope Reggie realizes his mistakes and cleans house on offense, starting with Knapp, Brisiel, Carlisle, Smith, Pollack (bring back Wylie, not gonna happen but it should). Blows my mind that our strongest attributes from last year - Oline and running game - became our achilles heel overnight. ‘- The start of the era of Reggie’s guys making a name for themselves on the roster, like Burris, Briesl and Streater’
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Brisiel is the worst FA pickup of the year. The fu**ed part is that he’s the one player that we signed for multiple years. Hope he was another one of the failed Knapp / Pollack experiment and Reggie’s hands are relatively clean of this severe hit and miss. I sincerely hope Reggie realizes his mistakes and cleans house on offense, starting with Knapp, Brisiel, Carlisle, Smith, Pollack (bring back Wylie, not gonna happen but it should). Blows my mind that our strongest attributes from last year – Oline and running game – became our achilles heel overnight.

]]> By: Autumn Rising http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120187 Autumn Rising Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:41:10 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120187 '- The start of the era of Reggie’s guys making a name for themselves on the roster, like Burris, Briesl and Streater' -------------------------------------------------------- Brisiel is the worst FA pickup of the year. The fu**ed part is that he's the one player that we signed for multiple years. Hope he was another one of the failed Knapp / Pollack experiment and Reggie's hands are relatively clean of this severe hit and miss. I sincerely hope Reggie realizes his mistakes and cleans house on offense, starting with Knapp, Brisiel, Carlisle, Smith, Pollack (bring back Wylie, not gonna happen but it should). Blows my mind that our strongest attributes from last year - Oline and running game - became our achilles heel overnight. ‘- The start of the era of Reggie’s guys making a name for themselves on the roster, like Burris, Briesl and Streater’
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Brisiel is the worst FA pickup of the year. The fu**ed part is that he’s the one player that we signed for multiple years. Hope he was another one of the failed Knapp / Pollack experiment and Reggie’s hands are relatively clean of this severe hit and miss. I sincerely hope Reggie realizes his mistakes and cleans house on offense, starting with Knapp, Brisiel, Carlisle, Smith, Pollack (bring back Wylie, not gonna happen but it should). Blows my mind that our strongest attributes from last year – Oline and running game – became our achilles heel overnight.

]]> By: Maxzombie http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120172 Maxzombie Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:18:45 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120172 He must of meant Jeremy Spencer. Rookie mistake Cork! He must of meant Jeremy Spencer. Rookie mistake Cork!

]]> By: Maxzombie http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120171 Maxzombie Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:16:14 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120171 The title mentions someone named Stephens then there is no mention of hi In the article The title mentions someone named Stephens then there is no mention of hi
In the article

]]> By: Raiders for life http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120160 Raiders for life Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:03:10 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120160 Cork is one hungover mthr fckr. Can't even get the RB's name right. Cork is one hungover mthr fckr.
Can’t even get the RB’s name right.

]]> By: KoolKell http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/11/10/raiders-cut-lee-put-spencer-on-ir-to-make-room-for-bartell-stephens/comment-page-1/#comment-1120159 KoolKell Sat, 10 Nov 2012 21:01:25 +0000 http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/?p=20511#comment-1120159 Zymurge Says: November 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am stablersbeard Says: November 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am Twinkle Says: November 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am but lest we forget….who it was that employed him… and who it was that employed the one that employed him. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I’m kind of an optimist. I’m hoping that it’s a case of an otherwise talented rookie head coach making the mistake of going with a guy he’s familiar with. And that Reggie made the mistake of letting out too much leash with the rookie head coach. I’m not ready to throw in the towel on either of them yet. If they don’t make the obviously needed changes going forward, my opinion will change. ===== Glad to see this sort of levelheadedness still exists. Coming into this season, look what was stacked against the team: - First season minus the owner that defined the team for decades - Rookie GM, learning on the job what that job is - Rookie HC, with even minimal coordinator experience, and having a huge learning curve - Rookie DC, not even coming directly from an NFL job - Hosed salary cap and contract situations, causing the team to lose people it would have wanted to keep and keep some that they’d prefer not to at high costs - No draft picks in the top 4 rounds to start the rebuilding process That’s a seriously stacked deck! Really, looking back then what were realistic expectations? 2 wins, maybe 3? For me, at that point (and still today) I would gladly trade a horrible, 2 win season in order to make this team better for years to come. What does one year buy? - All of those rookies at GM and coaching positions get that critical first year under their belt. That’s the year when they will make a majority of their worst mistakes as they learn. - Fixing some of the most egregious issues with the cap from 2013 forward, at the expense of front loading into 2012. - An establishment of the new team identity after the years AD (after Al’s passing) - The start of the era of Reggie’s guys making a name for themselves on the roster, like Burris, Briesl and Streater - They found themselves a legitimate top 10 capable QB in today’s pass first era that should have a few more years left in him to build around (assuming they can fix his contract for the next few years) So in my mind, this team is already outperforming where my 2012 expectations were, sitting on 3 wins halfway through the season. If they pick up a few more before it’s over, that’s gravy in my book. The problem is, with the last decade of frustration, a lot of Raider fans have little patience left. Once they saw potential this year, expectations shot way up again. I say that was fairly unrealistic considering all of the rebuilding going on, but it is what it is. For me, I’m going to continue enjoying watching the development of the team and not be overly concerned with wins and losses for the rest of the season. I’ll celebrate the progress where it is made and blog helplessly about what I think needs to change over time. That’s how I choose to spend my fan currency. =========================================== "We are going to just wait until next year. This is a recording." The mantra of losers. Yes, I bagged on Al Davis for years, but I now realize Al was ahead of his time, and revolutionary in his actions. His decisions now appear to be spot on, with the exception of a few FA signings. Now we are reduced to Wait until next Year. LOSERS!! Zymurge Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am

stablersbeard Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Twinkle Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
but lest we forget….who it was that employed him…
and who it was that employed the one that employed him.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I’m kind of an optimist. I’m hoping that it’s a case of an otherwise talented rookie head coach making the mistake of going with a guy he’s familiar with. And that Reggie made the mistake of letting out too much leash with the rookie head coach.
I’m not ready to throw in the towel on either of them yet.
If they don’t make the obviously needed changes going forward, my opinion will change.

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Glad to see this sort of levelheadedness still exists. Coming into this season, look what was stacked against the team:
- First season minus the owner that defined the team for decades
- Rookie GM, learning on the job what that job is
- Rookie HC, with even minimal coordinator experience, and having a huge learning curve
- Rookie DC, not even coming directly from an NFL job
- Hosed salary cap and contract situations, causing the team to lose people it would have wanted to keep and keep some that they’d prefer not to at high costs
- No draft picks in the top 4 rounds to start the rebuilding process

That’s a seriously stacked deck! Really, looking back then what were realistic expectations? 2 wins, maybe 3? For me, at that point (and still today) I would gladly trade a horrible, 2 win season in order to make this team better for years to come. What does one year buy?

- All of those rookies at GM and coaching positions get that critical first year under their belt. That’s the year when they will make a majority of their worst mistakes as they learn.
- Fixing some of the most egregious issues with the cap from 2013 forward, at the expense of front loading into 2012.
- An establishment of the new team identity after the years AD (after Al’s passing)
- The start of the era of Reggie’s guys making a name for themselves on the roster, like Burris, Briesl and Streater
- They found themselves a legitimate top 10 capable QB in today’s pass first era that should have a few more years left in him to build around (assuming they can fix his contract for the next few years)

So in my mind, this team is already outperforming where my 2012 expectations were, sitting on 3 wins halfway through the season. If they pick up a few more before it’s over, that’s gravy in my book.

The problem is, with the last decade of frustration, a lot of Raider fans have little patience left. Once they saw potential this year, expectations shot way up again. I say that was fairly unrealistic considering all of the rebuilding going on, but it is what it is.

For me, I’m going to continue enjoying watching the development of the team and not be overly concerned with wins and losses for the rest of the season. I’ll celebrate the progress where it is made and blog helplessly about what I think needs to change over time. That’s how I choose to spend my fan currency.
===========================================
“We are going to just wait until next year. This is a recording.”
The mantra of losers. Yes, I bagged on Al Davis for years, but I now realize Al was ahead of his time, and revolutionary in his actions. His decisions now appear to be spot on, with the exception of a few FA signings.

Now we are reduced to Wait until next Year.
LOSERS!!

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