Son of Raiders D-line coach dies at age 4
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, November 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Tyson Williams, the 4-year-old son of Raiders defensive line coach Terrell Williams, died Friday night at Oakland Children’s Hospital from a “sudden and unexpected illness,” according to a team release.
“We were all shocked by the news we received when we arrived in Baltimore,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said in a statement. “Terrell and Tifini have been dealing with unimagineable tragedy this week, and our hearts go out to them. We’re all deeply saddened by the passing of Tyson, and our deepest sympathies go out to Terrell and his entire family.”
Tyson Williams, born Nov. 1, 2008, loved cartoons and helping care for his eight-month-old brother, Tahj, teaching his brother to clap before he passed away, according to the release.
Allen said the defensive staff would share the workload in Terrell Williams’ indefinite absence.
The team requests that condolences be sent to Williams at team headquarters at 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway, Alameda, CA, 94502.
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November 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Sorry for your loss coach. No parent should ever have to outlive their own children.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Prayers
November 10th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Tragic. Rip little man.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
I Can’t imagine that. My daughter is the same age. No one should go through that.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Don’t really follow College ball too much. Saw some snippet earlier if some old coach pushing and knocking the hat off of an Asst. Coach. Who the heck was that?
I don’t care about chain of command, that Asst. should have laid that old man out. Get a job somewhere else.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
What a horrible tragedy my condolences to the family…..puts a reality check on everything Priesttj12 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Here’s my take on 2morrow’s game.We have the perfect mixture in terms of HB’s at our disposal it just comes down to playcalling. In Reece you have a very versatile bigback, NO he’s not your hammer per se but he is tough to get down and can take the pounding. He has great hands and is OK blocker basically you have what we gave away in Bush. Then you have the quintessential scatback in TJ you can’t ask for a better mix. It just comes down to playcalling how do you attack their defense with these two very versatile and talented backs.
I would use them very similar to the way Flores used Marcus and Bo with a meathead to help in shortyardage. Great coaches would get mismatches all over the field with these two. Because with both in the backfield you cannot focus on one and both are great vision runners. It is not Bush and DMC but it’s close and if they can’t get these guys to be productive even highly productive it tells you all you need to know.
At some point David Ausberry needs to be integrated into this offense I don’t care HOW they do it just do it. His run after catch ability is sorely needed. I’m not saying start him I’m saying play him. The same is true with the possesion rec’s in the redzone Criner showed you what he is now USE HIM smartly.
You have a QB capable of doing some special things if you give him the environment to do it in. You know he does have that penchant for the pick so as a playcaller you HELP HIM.
On defense I said early this year when the defense looked stable and improving taht if they are fo-real this offense had the ability to catch up and make this a very good team. Well I’ll give them a pass on last week. But they have got to get back to business and TACKLE…………period
If they do the Raiders can win this game if they don’t they have no chance……….period
Seems much less important with today’s news…
November 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
MY prayers are with the family……man what a tragedy!!
November 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
My wife wants to know why my eyes are watered up. I told her it was allergies. Stuff like this gets to me these days.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
horrible. God be with them. i can’t even fathom it. just heartbreaking.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Priesttj12
Totally agree.
Problem is that Knapp is not as creative.
He will run the same offense and score hopefully up to 10 points in the 1st half. Then in the 2nd half go into panic mode.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
so, cork said the Rb’s name was stephens. then he said it was spencer. but it’s actually stewart.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Cork tied one on last night. He’s hungover like a mthr fkr today.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
we cut lee, the starter, and ir’s spencer, the former starter, and kept 3 ST guys, adams, franzies, and ross. i guess that kinda makes sense. bartell is gonna start with huff. hanson is the nickel. gotta have ur returners and gunners.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Sad news. Prayers out to the Williams’.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Sad day in the Nation, I send my prayers to the family as they deal with this tragic situation.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
horrible news…poor family….prayers to them.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
To be absent from the body is to be in the presense of God.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Stuff like this gets to me these days.
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Did you see the report on that kid from Clemson this morning on espn?
November 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
At times like these you really want to say something of value. But I just can’t think of anything of value or anything to lessen this kind of loss. May God have mercy on our souls.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Its a shame too how Knapp cannot see the talent in Auz I believe he is better than Myers and I have said so since camp, this is just another reason he should be let go at the end of this season he clearly is holding the team back. People have spoken of Andy Reid but I just dont see him as a fit here, he is very pass happy and neglects the run game and for that reason cant see DA hiring him on. It will tell me a lot about DA if he fires Knapp, at least I will know he has common football knowledge, if he doesnt fire Knapp I will be very suspect when it comes to him.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I have a 4 year old. Scary stuff, my prayers go out to his family.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Life is so precious. Value life my friends. Value your own life, and value the lives of others.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Jhill, no I have not…not sure i want too.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Life is so precious. Value life my friends. Value your own life, and value the lives of others.
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Did you come up with that all on your own?
Up until now, had no idea.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Its a shame too how Knapp cannot see the talent in Auz I believe he is better than Myers and I have said so since camp, this is just another reason he should be let go at the end of this season he clearly is holding the team back. People have spoken of Andy Reid but I just dont see him as a fit here, he is very pass happy and neglects the run game and for that reason cant see DA hiring him on. It will tell me a lot about DA if he fires Knapp, at least I will know he has common football knowledge, if he doesnt fire Knapp I will be very suspect when it comes to him.
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I’m sure DA won’t be able to sleep as long as a Oakland ghetto blaster is suspect of his decisions.
You’re about as worrisome as a wart on your boyfriends ass.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Knapp doesn’t decide who plays. That’s why some of you should just read instead of posting.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Well it looks like Huffy is at cb for the long haul and i’m glad to see it, not saying that I think he’s the answer at cb but at least we can take a good long look at him the rest of the season and see if we need to make a big move there or not. If he does well we wont have to make a big splash in FA on a corner and we can continue to focus more on the O & D lines.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
The Ravens are drooling at the prospect of playing the Raiders. No doubt many expect career days, especially against our D. Could be the ugliest game of the year, for any team.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Did you come up with that all on your own?
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Saturday. Middle of the afternoon. One would think this would prime time for a “realtor” to be working and not mouthing off on a blog. Unless that “realtor” was a joke.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Its a shame too how Knapp cannot see the talent in Auz I believe he is better than Myers and I have said so since camp, this is just another reason he should be let go at the end of this season he clearly is holding the team back. People have spoken of Andy Reid but I just dont see him as a fit here, he is very pass happy and neglects the run game and for that reason cant see DA hiring him on. It will tell me a lot about DA if he fires Knapp, at least I will know he has common football knowledge, if he doesnt fire Knapp I will be very suspect when it comes to him.
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I’m sure DA won’t be able to sleep as long as a Oakland ghetto blaster is suspect of his decisions.
You’re about as worrisome as a wart on your boyfriends ass.
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Wow Kell just attacks me out the blue, I dont think this is really Kell guess someone jacked his handle.
November 10th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
It is kind of curious that they let Lee go. Lee had not surrendered a TD pass all year and actually was very decent in coverage and not targeted all that much the last few games. Considering Bartell hasn’t gotten thru one half of football in 2 years, I find that decision kind of a head scratcher.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Wow Kell just attacks me out the blue, I dont think this is really Kell guess someone jacked his handle.
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Must be.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Coach Terrell,
I am sorry for your loss, take care of You and your family and I am certain that in your loss that PDP…..patience ,discipline and perseverance will give you the path forward to detente
Chas. Malloy, Halifax , Nova Scotia – Raider fan since I was 12
November 10th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
my prayers go out to you coach! Must win for little man! GO RAIDERS!
November 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
One of our family members loses a child and here comes some POS who steals someones identity to rake us in our grief. Do you know how bad that is karmaically dude? You better watch your back. But then nothing you can do about you getting brutal untreatable cancer troll.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
The troll messed up earlier with the KK name. Now he is covering his tracks so KK can come back, look dumb and say “dam racist stole my name”
November 10th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Priesttj12….as much as I respect your opinion I just do not envision a very large WR with the softest hands I
have ever seen have the instinct at the LOS to avoid the
catastrophe that awaits those don’t have it.His blocking
at the LOS is nowhere near the level it is down field on
DB’s and LB’s……course we have our best wideout at
FB for some reason.Tampa’s Dline was very very big fast
and effective and our Oline did great holding em for as long as they did.We did have 10 at the line most of the second half and our WR’s were running routes while our QB was trying his best to keep a play alive instead of turning back to help.
Somehow I think Tom had a little more to work with in
Bo,Marcus,Steve Smith,Eric Dickerson et al.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Pretty quiet in here at the moment Ill check back in later.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Zymurge Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am
stablersbeard Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Twinkle Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
but lest we forget….who it was that employed him…
and who it was that employed the one that employed him.
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I’m kind of an optimist. I’m hoping that it’s a case of an otherwise talented rookie head coach making the mistake of going with a guy he’s familiar with. And that Reggie made the mistake of letting out too much leash with the rookie head coach.
I’m not ready to throw in the towel on either of them yet.
If they don’t make the obviously needed changes going forward, my opinion will change.
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Glad to see this sort of levelheadedness still exists. Coming into this season, look what was stacked against the team:
- First season minus the owner that defined the team for decades
- Rookie GM, learning on the job what that job is
- Rookie HC, with even minimal coordinator experience, and having a huge learning curve
- Rookie DC, not even coming directly from an NFL job
- Hosed salary cap and contract situations, causing the team to lose people it would have wanted to keep and keep some that they’d prefer not to at high costs
- No draft picks in the top 4 rounds to start the rebuilding process
That’s a seriously stacked deck! Really, looking back then what were realistic expectations? 2 wins, maybe 3? For me, at that point (and still today) I would gladly trade a horrible, 2 win season in order to make this team better for years to come. What does one year buy?
- All of those rookies at GM and coaching positions get that critical first year under their belt. That’s the year when they will make a majority of their worst mistakes as they learn.
- Fixing some of the most egregious issues with the cap from 2013 forward, at the expense of front loading into 2012.
- An establishment of the new team identity after the years AD (after Al’s passing)
- The start of the era of Reggie’s guys making a name for themselves on the roster, like Burris, Briesl and Streater
- They found themselves a legitimate top 10 capable QB in today’s pass first era that should have a few more years left in him to build around (assuming they can fix his contract for the next few years)
So in my mind, this team is already outperforming where my 2012 expectations were, sitting on 3 wins halfway through the season. If they pick up a few more before it’s over, that’s gravy in my book.
The problem is, with the last decade of frustration, a lot of Raider fans have little patience left. Once they saw potential this year, expectations shot way up again. I say that was fairly unrealistic considering all of the rebuilding going on, but it is what it is.
For me, I’m going to continue enjoying watching the development of the team and not be overly concerned with wins and losses for the rest of the season. I’ll celebrate the progress where it is made and blog helplessly about what I think needs to change over time. That’s how I choose to spend my fan currency.
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“We are going to just wait until next year. This is a recording.”
The mantra of losers. Yes, I bagged on Al Davis for years, but I now realize Al was ahead of his time, and revolutionary in his actions. His decisions now appear to be spot on, with the exception of a few FA signings.
Now we are reduced to Wait until next Year.
LOSERS!!
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A damn good post Kell or whomever…..as I say I don’t agree with all of it but then again I don’t have to.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
I cannot even imagine what coach Williams and his family is going through. I’m a dad also and can’t even begin to contemplate a loss like that, let alone understand how they must feel.
My prayers go out to everyone affected by this tragic, tragic loss.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Prayers to you and yours with your/our loss Coach….
all words seem meaningless………..
November 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
31.Seymour Bush Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
It is kind of curious that they let Lee go. Lee had not surrendered a TD pass all year and actually was very decent in coverage and not targeted all that much the last few games. Considering Bartell hasn’t gotten thru one half of football in 2 years, I find that decision kind of a head scratcher.
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Been wondering the same thing since this morning when I found out. Hanson is smaller than DVD, does he have more potential than Lee? I don’t quite get it either.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Condolences to the Williams family.4 years old-that is just wrong.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
prayers to the family..
November 10th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Sad,sad day in the Nation, our condolences go out to the Williams family.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
It’s not me. It’s Seymour up to his usual games.
Damn you to hell, Seymour.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Jerrymac the king of blog pimps said
Oakland’s other cornerbacks are Brandian Ross, Phillip Adams and Coye Francies, all of whom have more extensive roles on special teams than Lee.
I hope Bartell can stay healthy
November 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
HYPOCRITE ALERT!! So much for you and your values. Of course, when have you ever had any values?
Seymour Bush Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Life is so precious. Value life my friends. Value your own life, and value the lives of others.
Seymour Bush Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
One of our family members loses a child and here comes some POS who steals someones identity to rake us in our grief. Do you know how bad that is karmaically dude? You better watch your back. But then nothing you can do about you getting brutal untreatable cancer troll.
November 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
No parent should outlive his child. It’s a real tragedy in losing one so young. Condolences & prayers to the family during their time of need.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
HYPOCRITE ALERT!! So much for you and your values.
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There is nothing hypocritical about my posts. To me, YOU have no value. Something really bad is going to happen to you. Tell us when it does so we can come find you and laugh.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
That is sad. I actually heard about the son being sick yesterday because my niece was in the same daycare as him. She signed a card for him.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
There is a really really nasty flu going around right now. I wonder if that was it.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Man, that’s fuk’n heavy.
God bless Williams and his family.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Sometimes life really blows
November 10th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Why not cut Francies? Maybe he was too valuable on special teams?
November 10th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Watching Geno Smith for just the second or third time this year. Don’t know how he is at reading defenses or under pressure, because he’s not really facing much of a defense today, but the thing that really stands out for me is his footwork. I can see why he’s as accurate as he is; except for the occasion throw off his back foot he has really good feet. He squares up nicely and does a nice job of getting set before he throws the ball.
Also watching A&M and Alabama, and wondering why Johnny Manziel isn’t getting more mention in here. Only a freshman, and he’s leading the SEC in total offense. He’s completing over 75% of his passes on the road against Alabama today and has 90 yards rushing as well.
Bridgewater had a good game today also; his defense really let him down though. Not as sold on him, even though he has great stats. Mechanics leave a lot to be desired and he tends to float the ball. Only a sophomore though, so he has time to improve in those areas.
Just my two cents.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
But Albert you are in Chicago, right? And your niece’s kid goes to a daycare with a Raiders coache’s kid? Really? Maybe you really are mr aka the silly Sully? Then again what chance is it that Sully’s niece goes to daycare w/ a raiders coache’s kid? I’m so confused? Who are u Albert?
November 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
And where are u Albert? Really?
November 10th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
arkraider Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
But Albert you are in Chicago, right? And your niece’s kid goes to a daycare with a Raiders coache’s kid? Really? Maybe you really are mr aka the silly Sully? Then again what chance is it that Sully’s niece goes to daycare w/ a raiders coache’s kid? I’m so confused? Who are u Albert?
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LOL.
I noticed that too MR.
You’re getting sloppy in your old age.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Idiots….Chicago you know the little burg right next to
the West Oakland BART station……lol
November 10th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I’ve watched Smith play a few times this year and IMO he isn’t in the same class as guys like Luck or Griffin.This like the year we had the 1st pick.A QB won’t go #1 this year.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
But England I’m not Sully! I’m Arkraider, from Arkansas, lived in SF for 22 years and now I’m back in Hot Springs Arkansas, just trying to re- adjust back into life in the south. And besides I’m fairly backward with technology and would t even know how to cross post.
Not to mention I ain’t got time for that chit!
November 10th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
‘when there’s an oops in your life’….lol
November 10th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
This year is like……
November 10th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
My condolences to the Williams’ family…
November 10th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Lefty your sounding like there’s an A.Luck to be had every year via the draft…..reminds me How come Indy gets the last two?….in a row to boot.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Raider players and staff can have their prayer moments for the tyke. Down a couple of crabcakes. And continue to collect weekly checks until the 13th b’ak’tun runs out.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Arkraider Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
But Albert you are in Chicago, right? And your niece’s kid goes to a daycare with a Raiders coache’s kid? Really? Maybe you really are mr aka the silly Sully? Then again what chance is it that Sully’s niece goes to daycare w/ a raiders coache’s kid? I’m so confused? Who are u Albert?
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I live in Chicago. My sister lives in Alameda. She shops at the same Safeway as KoolKell.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
My point is that usually there is a franchise QB in most drafts that goes #1.The year we drafted#1 there wasn’t one.I don’t believe there is one this year.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Me and my sister are from Idaho.
November 10th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Dunno why anyone is interested in college QB’s…It is the only position we are set at.
Scary question…..anyone know how long CP3 is inked for at the moment?
November 10th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
This guy gets into an elevator and there’s no one in there except for this woman.
The guy looks back at her, presses his floor and the elevator takes off.
The guy turns back, looks at the woman.
He says, “Can I smell your puzzy?”
The woman stares at him, she says, “I beg your pardon?”
The guy says, “Can I smell your puzzy?”
Woman looks at him, steps back a bit, says, “No you certainly cannot!”.
Guy looks at her, says, “Oh, must be your feet then.”
November 10th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Awesome….spent any time in Aussie lately mate?
November 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
lmfao
November 10th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Listen Smith can be good without being like Andrew Luck.
Man, the year Luck came out of Stanford I REALLY wanted Al Davis to be Al Davis once again and get him some way, any fuk’n way.
I knew Al read this thing so I kept coming on here saying it.
And yet Indy, who already has had Peyton, got Luck-by intentionally losing more games than anyone else.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Les Miserables is going to be so good. Do you guys like musicals?
November 10th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Al snuck over to Palo Alto on a few occasions.Plunkett’s
got good seats.
there is no Ho in Raiders unfortunately (in this instance
anyway).
November 10th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
61.lefty12 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I’ve watched Smith play a few times this year and IMO he isn’t in the same class as guys like Luck or Griffin.This like the year we had the 1st pick.A QB won’t go #1 this year.
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Manziel appears to be the real deal. 24/30 for 250 yards and two touchdowns, plus 90 yards rushing. He has thrown some amazing balls today. Against Alabama on the road. As a freshman.
Pretty impressive.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
BALTIMORESUN.COM says:
The Ravens’ two-time Pro Bowl runner should definitely be able to thrive against the porous Raiders run defense. Here’s why:
1.) Rice has been an elite back after contact most of the season, even given a smaller workload until last week during a win over the Cleveland Browns when he had a season-high 25 carries and generated 98 yards and a touchdown run.
2.) Ravens offensive coordinator Cam Cameron seems to have gradually accepted that quarterback Joe Flacco isn’t having a particularly consistent season and has struggled with his accuracy at times.
Although Flacco is markedly better at home, where he’s completed 67.1 percent of his throws for 1,271 yards, seven touchdowns and two interceptions for a 106.6 quarterback rating and just 52.2 percent for 790 yards, three touchdowns and four interceptions on the road for a 62.7 rating, Rice is the catalyst for an offense that’s fallen to 19th overall.
3.) The Raiders aren’t exactly a brick wall to run against. Middle linebacker Rolando McClain is a first-round bust who has been troubled off the field and a two-down plugger on the field. The Raiders surrendered 251 rushing yards and four touchdowns to Tampa Bay Buccaneers rookie back Doug Martin, who has a similar running style to Rice.
This game sets up well for Rice to rumble for a lot of yards.
Plus, don’t forget Raiders standout defensive tackle Richard Seymour has been ruled out of this contest with injuries, rendering the defense even softer in the middle. Underachieving defensive tackle Tommy Kelly is no world-beater inside.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Wouldn’t surprise me though if Oregon or Kansas State stay undefeated then get the shaft and a 1 loss SEC team is picked for the championship game.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Plus, don’t forget Raiders standout defensive tackle Richard Seymour has been ruled out of this contest with injuries, rendering the defense even softer in the middle.
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Actually the way Seymour has been playing it might be better for the Raiders.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Watching A&M try their best to give the game away. Lousy coaching and playcalling by A&M bigtime
November 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
* the year before.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
And Alabama blows it as well nice game other then a few bonehead plays
November 10th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Manziel does look like the real deal. Accurate throws, composed in the pocket and can take off and run as well. Only thing I noticed…being that I caught the end of the game, is he doesn’t throw a pretty ball but it gets there.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Have you seen the AJ Mccarron’s mom? She’s in the red dress:
http://thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/aj-mccarron-mom.jpg
November 10th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
BALTIMORESUN.COM :4. How one-dimensional will Oakland be?
( US Presswire / November 4, 2012 )
With running backs Darren McFadden (455 yards) and Mike Goodson out with high-ankle sprains, it’s unlikely that third-string back Taiwan Jones will have a hefty workload. He’s a speed merchant, but is unproven after excelling at the small-school level.
So, it’s the Ravens’ defense against an old nemesis: former Cincinnati Bengals Pro Bowl quarterback Carson Palmer.
Palmer is coming off a 414-yard game against the Buccaneers where he threw four touchdowns and three interceptions.
Palmer lacks the zip he used to have on his spirals, but can still get distance on the deep ball and is accurate and smart. He’s got two burners outside in former Maryland standout Darrius Heyward-Bey and Denarius Moore. And he’s got no running game to lean on Sunday. So expect Palmer to try to air it out and watch for Heyward-Bey and Moore on fly patterns against cornerbacks Cary Williams and Jimmy Smith.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Dam them hos are scary. Who is AJ?
November 10th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Alabama QB
November 10th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Not sure if it was the 2 sleeping pills I took last night but I had this lucid? vivid? dream that the Raiders ended up beating the Titans 39-34.
Before this dream, I had the Raiders winning over Baltimore
37-33
lol crazy shet
November 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
racist troll racist racist racist troll troll troll troll hes a racist hes a troll hes a troll hes a racist obviously OBVIOUSLY.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Tawian Jones.Your time.Preseason star.Here we go.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Losing a mini pin was hard, so I can’t imagine the pain caused by losing a kid. Especially a 4 YO.
I’m sorry for your loss. My condolences to the Williams family.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
ALABAMA GOES DOWN!!!!!! PAC-12 BABY, TIRED OF SEC, HOPE OREGON GOES ALL THE WAY, THE ONLY HOPE FOR THE PAC-12.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
The Ducks are now #1 if we can beat Cal tonight. w00t!
November 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
The Ducks are fun to watch.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Tawian Jones = spark??????
November 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
The Ducks are fun to watch.
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No doubt. A side benefit of our rise to national prominence is people nationwide now know how to pronounce “Oregon.”
November 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Looks like it is working out pretty well for Notre Dame. I still think USC will beat them, though. If Notre Dame goes undefeated, no way are they left out of the championship game now that Alabama has lost.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Manziel is def the real deal, lets see how much run Mistic gives him.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
96.MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
The Ducks are fun to watch.
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Agreed. Really enjoy watching Kenyon Barner. Little guys with that kind of speed aren’t normally as stout as he is.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
#2 in the BS poll.They will find some way to screw the Pac-12 winner.They usually do.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
#71: according to the chat from Cork this week, CP3 is signed thru 2016.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
The Ducks are now #1 if we can beat Cal tonight. w00t!
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I love CAL god bless’em but it isn’t if they beat CAL its more like if CAL can keep them under 80, seriously.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
104.eastoaklandraider Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
The Ducks are now #1 if we can beat Cal tonight. w00t!
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I love CAL god bless’em but it isn’t if they beat CAL its more like if CAL can keep them under 80, seriously.
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Lol. True enough. The Ducks could put up 60 in the first half alone.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I’m also a FSU fan I wonder how far they will move up in the polls?
November 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Would love to see LSU go down also.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Looks like Phil will be back in LA, fck this throws a temporary damper on my Faker demise plan.
November 10th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Sad news, breaks my heart to hear things like this. I have a 3 year old daughter and I cannot imagine how losing her would tear my life apart. At least they have another child to help through grieving. Stay strong Williams’.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Manziel = ending the apartheid of the Wave of the Future
November 10th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
What about Colin Klein?
November 10th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
110.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Manziel = ending the apartheid of the Wave of the Future
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Was hoping things wouldn’t degenerate to a comment like that. Oh well.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Sorry to hear of the loss of your son Coach Williams.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/customavatars/avatar14994_1.gif
November 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Go Buckeyes!!!
10-0 baby!!
Damn you Mich!
November 10th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Whut up HO? Glad to see you posting again.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
There is so much sadness in life, it should remind us to tread lightly.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Taiwan Jones is A BEAST!!!!!! You’ll see. You’ll be sorry.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
ND might be the worst undefeated team I’ve ever seen.I hope they lose a game.It would be a travesty if they played for the national championship.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Looks like Phil will be back in LA, fck this throws a temporary damper on my Faker demise plan.
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Shouldn’t matter. Laker greatness is a thing of the past. They suck and should continue their streak of suckness well into the new season. It’s to bad the lakers suck cuz I’m the biggest Laker fan in the house. But it brings me great delite to see them suck cuz I can’t stand them. I’ve been tellin guys like j hill how much they suck. But I’m a big fan. Big big laker fan. I only like the cuz they suck and can’t stand laker basketball. La La land can have the lakers. I do not want my raiders in the same town as the stinky lakers. Big laker fan here.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Just saw Skyfall, and it was awesome. Classic James Bond, with great cinematography and action sequences, exotic locales, and a good Bond girl or two. Definitely the best Bond film in a long time.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Lefty12 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
ND might be the worst undefeated team I’ve ever seen.I hope they lose a game.It would be a travesty if they played for the national championship.
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If the bcs didn’t allow Boise state in, no way will ND get in. Wouldn’t be in the national interest. Lakers suck.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
There’s only one team I want Notre Dame to beat, and that’s USC.
Suck it, Lance!
November 10th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Pac12 against ND-hate to say it but go SC.BTW,I forgot about Ohio State.They are probably worse than ND.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
122-disagree.If the Irish are undefeated,either Oregon or K-State will get screwed-most likely Oregon.
November 10th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Nice to be able to come in here and talk raider ball and laker suckness.
Oak 45
Balt 41
November 10th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Lefty12 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
122-disagree.If the Irish are undefeated,either Oregon or K-State will get screwed-most likely Oregon.
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True. Hope Kansas or ND lose cuz Oregon is the legit #1. Hope your not a laker fan.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
This is nice, isn’t it? Good to talk football and hate on Kiffen while the Trolls sleep.
I hope Reece blows it up tomorrow. Where did this Stewart kid come from?
November 10th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Hope no one is a laker fan. They suck. That’s why I’m a big laker fan.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Reggie needs to get Juan Castillo on the phone now! Gruden’s reportedly already searching for assistants, and we’re going to need a major overhaul of the line.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Raiders 33
Ravens 27
November 10th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
I’m not.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
This is nice, isn’t it? Good to talk football and hate on Kiffen while the Trolls sleep.
I hope Reece blows it up tomorrow. Where did this Stewart kid come from?
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Good to talk raider ball and dis on laker ball.
I hope CP3 rips it up tomorrow.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
I’m a Laker fan in the sense that I live in Southern California, pay attention if they’re winning, and ignore them if they lose.
I don’t get bummed out like with the Raiders because there is no emotional investment on my part; it’s like having a pretty mistress, whereas with the Raiders it feels like I’ve been married for decades to an abusive wife who breaks my heart every time she gets the chance
November 10th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
GG Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Raiders 33
Ravens 27
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You really think that or is it the kool-aid talking?
November 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
I really think that.
The only issue is whether we learn from last week’s Doug Martin debacle. Rice can gash us as bad if we aren’t thorough in our assignments.
Note: the more snaps McClain has played last week, the more the run game has gone backwards again.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
If the Raiders win tomorrow they will have:
-Broken a streak that’s been operative since 2009 by winning an early east coast game.
-Broken Baltimore’s 14 game home winning streak
-Won with their 3rd string backup rb.
Go Raiders.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
R.I.P lil man.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
I still don’t understand why the league hasn’t adjusted the East/West thing. I know it shouldn’t make that much of a difference and I don’t like to play the excuse card. But I can understand how it messes up a regimented routine and the body clock.
Why doesn’t the NFL make it so teams traveling west start at 3pm EST and trams traveling west games start at 12PM PST? It seams like a logical solution.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
If the Raiders win tomorrow they will have:
-Broken a streak that’s been operative since 2009 by winning an early east coast game.
-Broken Baltimore’s 14 game home winning streak
-Won with their 3rd string backup rb.
Go Raiders.
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That would be awesome. Game will be detrmined if:
knapp can devise a game plan (doubt it very much)
Palmer takes charge (most likely scenario)
DA and Tarver get their act together.
I still like our chances.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Whut up ma beyotches!!!!!!!
Things have been mightily busy these last few weeks. Glad you noticed O – how you been?
England just mere months away
November 10th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
The reason why i think we can win…
With our RB crew, the coaches will put the ball in Palmer’s hands more often and more early. Usually with McFadden there, and that “he was drafted high and is supposedly our bell-cow back that we have to get him going again” attitude, we’ve been pounding him into a brick wall for 1 and 2 yard gains constantly early. Being too predictable.
So with the unknown Reece as ball-carrier, Jones the staff is a bit unsure of, and Stewart, the play-calling will be more circumspect when rushing the ball, and will have a game-plan calling run plays to those players strengths. So you wont see, (supposedly) Jones being used as a McFadden 2 yard battering ram on every first down.
This could obviously spell problems too…Ravens sniffing out whenever Jones is at tailback, it’ll be an outside zone stretch play or toss or screen, and whenever Reece is at tailback it’ll be a draw play or him going out in motion leaving an empty backfield, and whenever Stewart is in it’ll be a 3rd and short type iso run.
But if they mix it up enough, that could still work.
So Palmer’s going to be mainly throwing the ball, early and often, which should net some good drives early, and that in turn, “should” set up the running game, helping Jones in particular not having to face 8 men in the box constantly like the gameplan that wasn’t working with McFadden.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Whut up ma beyotches!!!!!!!
Things have been mightily busy these last few weeks. Glad you noticed O – how you been?
England just mere months away
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Raider O Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Whut up HO? Glad to see you posting again.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
morilla Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
I still don’t understand why the league hasn’t adjusted the East/West thing. I know it shouldn’t make that much of a difference and I don’t like to play the excuse card. But I can understand how it messes up a regimented routine and the body clock.
Why doesn’t the NFL make it so teams traveling west start at 3pm EST and trams traveling west games start at 12PM PST? It seams like a logical solution.
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With all the concern for safety, you think they would consider it. Body adjustments to the time zone could have an adverse affect on player safety. But with the Raiders being the underdogs to the west to east thing, I highly doubt the league would even bat an eye at it. Anything to disadvantage the Raiders I don’t see the league doing anything to change that.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
GG, I like your thinking.
I’m worried about our d not being able to stop Rice. Also worried about our lb’s and secondary.
I guess i’m pretty much worried about everything in this one.
We CAN win, i’m just having trouble realistically imagining it.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
At least we’ll get a decent idea whether or not Taiwan can play RB at this level…
November 10th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
GG, I like your thinking.
I’m worried about our d not being able to stop Rice. Also worried about our lb’s and secondary.
I guess i’m pretty much worried about everything in this one.
We CAN win, i’m just having trouble realistically imagining it.
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Drink alcohol before the game, you’ll find it easier to imagine as you ready yourself to watch the game :p
November 10th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
It’s interesting how different media outlets considered the release of Pat Lee.
PFT and other outlets called Lee one of the best Raiders CBs this season, having been largely reliable and making good plays, missing only one tackle on Martin that wasn’t really his fault.
Rotoworld however said he has mostly been badly abused by QBs all year and missed three bad tackles on Martin.
November 10th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
As for worries about the DL, or front 7 to be more exact…
As others mentioned, Seymour’s play appears to be more reputation than real. And Kelly is better at going after the QB as a 1 gap UT.
Bryant is a beast tho, highly underrated outside the circles of RN armchair GMs. He can play 2 gap effectively, should bolster the inside allowing our ILBs a play on the RB. That’s if McClain doesn’t become a liability.
It’d be nice if we saw some 3-4 finally. Shaughnessy-Bryant-Houston, with Burris-Curry-McClain-Wheeler behind. Just to see it here and there and analyze.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
GG Says: Drink alcohol before the game, you’ll find it easier to imagine as you ready yourself to watch the game :p=============================================
Okay to start now?
November 10th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
GG Says: Drink alcohol before the game, you’ll find it easier to imagine as you ready yourself to watch the game :p=============================================
Okay to start now?
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Sure, the earlier you start the more you can imagine.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
the Department of Justice Statistics Bureau, reveals that approximately 8,000 – 9,000 African Americans are murdered annually in the United States:
This chilling figure is accompanied by another equally sobering fact, that 93% of these murders are in fact perpetrated by other blacks. ===== BEST NEWS OF THE DAY !!!
November 10th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
93% = the same % that voted for the Mongrel LMFAO!!!
November 10th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
From Vic Tafur.
Pro Football Focus had Lee “giving up a reception once every 12.3 snaps in coverage. While those numbers aren’t too bad, the one concerning aspect of his game has been the 126 yards after the catch he has allowed, not helped by the fact that he has missed six tackles.”
Gotta wonder if there is not something more than meets the eye here. Lee did not play well against the Bucs, but no one on defense did.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Good thin I got a big imagination.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Fangsraiders Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
93% = the same % that voted for the Mongrel LMFAO!!!
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Lots of us white people voted for the President as well. He’s a fine President, and will continue to be so.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
#154 thanks for the detail there.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Fangsraiders Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
93% = the same % that voted for the Mongrel LMFAO!!! =============== BUT IF….93% of WHITES had voted for Romney….OH MY THE CRIES OF RACIST!!! WOULD NEVER STOP!!!
November 10th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Fangsraiders Says:
November 10 th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
93% = the same % that voted for the Mongrel LMFAO!!!
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Lots of us white people voted for the President as well. He’s a fine President, and will continue to be so. ============================= YOU MEAN STUPID WHITE SHEEP VOTED FOR THE ILLEGAL KENYAN MUSLIM MARXIST…..GET IT RIGHT LOSER……..HE IS A PIECE OF SH!T !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 10th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Fangsraiders is angry because our President is more of an American than he’ll ever be.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
We can win people, we can win. Raiders can go into Baltimore and beat the lowly Ravens. Who knows, Ravens may think they got this one in the bag, so with another week of bye team, bye team, long rest team, and now the easy coast thing, we can do it. Yes sir people, Raiders can do it. Just do it Baby!
November 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
morilla Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
I still don’t understand why the league hasn’t adjusted the East/West thing. I know it shouldn’t make that much of a difference
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Last season, West coast teams had a winning record in the 10am games (49ers were 4-0 I believe) and East Coast teams had a losing record playing the 1pm games on the West Coast.
It is only a excuse for those prone to make excuses.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Lee did miss a lot of tackles in the run game.
I believe he was victim on the Reggie Bush ping-pong run and missed two tackles last week that allowed 30 yard runs to turn into 50+ yard runs.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
The same week we slept walked through an early start in Miami, the Cardinals went into New England and beat the Pats.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Fangsraiders is angry because our President is more of an American than he’ll ever be. ============ WHAT A PATHETIC MORON YOU ARE….I HOPE BABOONS RAPE YOUR DAUGHTER….ITS WHAT THEY DO BEST!!!
November 10th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Raiders are 0-2 so far in the 10am games, rest of the West Coast teams are 5-4 combined.
49ers 2-0 this year, won their last 6 10am East Coast games over the last two years.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
morilla Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
I still don’t understand why the league hasn’t adjusted the East/West thing. I know it shouldn’t make that much of a difference
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Last season, West coast teams had a winning record in the 10am games (49ers were 4-0 I believe) and East Coast teams had a losing record playing the 1pm games on the West Coast.
It is only a excuse for those prone to make excuses.
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Is that why the league issued a statement that it is a problem and they are looking to start as many west to east games as possible later in the future.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Where could I watch college ball online right now?
November 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
firstrowsportsdoteu
November 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
http://mediaarchives.gsradio.net/dduke/110712.mp3
November 10th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Going into last week we were #10 against the run in the league.Tomorrow we will see if that is who we are or if last week is who we really are.I have a feeling we will see the #10 run D tomorrow.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Thanks DJ
November 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Go Raiders.
November 10th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Raiders should use this as inspiration and come out and win this one for the coach. Specially the defense.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
No prob Carl. Just be careful not to click on everything that pops up.
When that “You don’t have codex” thing pops up, wait a few seconds and then click on the red “CLOSE” button below it.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
What angers me about our defense is i thought those big plays we’ve seen the last couple yr’s were gonna be a thing of the past.
Just when the media starts talking about how we have elevated our defense to “competant” we have what happened last wk.
I will go out on a limb and say Martin doesn’t have another game this yr. like he did last week.
Reggie Bush mysteriously stopped being a world beater after we left town too.
I don’t like that we have gone backwards on d. Especially since DA is a ‘defensive minded” HC who vowed we would “get better” each week.
Disappointed.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Funny that the “dream team” at Philly went 8-8 last yr. (just like us) and is 3-5 THIS yr. (just like us).
What does that say?
They have all the talent in the world, yet here they are.
It almost looks like Vick is the culprit.
It shows talent isn’t everything.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Put Palmer at QB for Philly and they lead the NFC East.Vick is over-rated.Always has been.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Combined with Vick being an overrated QB, his o-line isn’t helping his cause.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
So sorry for your loss Coach…having a grandson close to that age now,man i just cant imagine
November 10th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
I believe 3 or 4 of their starting Olinemen are out due to injury.But what it shows is you are better off grooming your own talent than going out and trying to build your team with FAs.It didn’t work for us and it isn’t working for them.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
I miss Wylie like some on here do Pedicure Hue.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
It is nice watching a real QB play for CAL instead of that bum Maynard.That is one of Tedford’s faults.He sticks with players that don’t deserve it too long.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
27-20 .. Enjoy the weekend
November 10th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
I’m sorry for your loss coach , I have really young nieces and nephews and I can’t imagine life without them , we’re with you to get you through this hard time
November 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I sure hope the Raiders throttle the shіt outta Baltimore for what they did to Gannon. Home they smack the hell out of’em.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
My condolences to you coach. God bless and may you and your family find happiness and an ease of the grief, through the wonderful memories you have your son.
November 10th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Vic Tafur again.
^ From Pro Football Focus: The Raiders’ offensive line has allowed 91 pressures from 348 passing plays giving them a Pass Blocking Efficiency (PBE) Rating of 79.8, which ranks 19th in the league. Of those 91 pressures allowed, 31 alone have come against right tackle Willie Smith, who starts again for injured Khalif Barnes.
^ As a result, Carson Palmer doesn’t have a lot of time to throw, and that’s why there has been a lot of dinking and dunking. He has the second-worst completion percentage (31.9) on throws 15 yards or more downfield this season with the second-fewest touchdowns (1).
November 10th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Those are some bad numbers. I’m thrilled we got Palmer but disappointed we can’t do him justice.
November 10th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Hopefully all the losing will lead to the firing of Greg Knapp.
November 10th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Oh no. There are no words that can express the pain you and your family must be expressing. You have my deepest felt sympathy.
November 10th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
If the defense goes after the ankles instead of the ball tomorrow we may be able to keep this close! If Palmer throws another clutch interception in the 4th quarter then that will confirm who he is: Charlie Brown. Mmwa..mmwa mmwa… If CP can pull this out of the fire he can re-define himself.
November 10th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
This is my biggest concern about Palmer and the reason you cannot mention him with the better QB’s in the league he just throws too many back breaking int’s.
He has got to cut back on his t/o’s if we’re going to get to the next level. The defense has played well enough all year to be 6-2 but we’re 3-5 because of t/o’s late in games. You just can’t do it……………..period
November 10th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
It doesn’t help that the run game is non existent and you have to depend on the QB attempting a ridiculous amount of passes.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Great QB’s might do that once or twice at the most in a season Palmer wil do it twice in one game. You have to manage the game better than that. You have to understand the importance of of that time in the game and be protective of the ball unless you oly have one shot at it and the game is over.Then it doesn’t matter you do what you have to do.
He takes risky chances with the football when the game is on the line. You just have to be better than that……….period
November 10th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
But that is when the Playcaller and the QB have to use better judgement. Call plays that help him out and when you do he has to be sure it’s high percentage plays. No one can gaurantee you wont turn it over. It’s just taht Palmer has been very loose with the football late in games and it has to stop if we want to win.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
He has got to cut back on his t/o’s if we’re going to get to the next level. The defense has played well enough all year to be 6-2 but we’re 3-5 because of t/o’s late in games. You just can’t do it……………..period
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Not true my friend.
Our defense allowed 30+ points 4/8 games and we allowed 28.6 points/ game.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
When I first heard that Lee was the one cut to make room for Bartell’s return, I was surprised at first too. Then I thought about what kind of defense DA wants.
As painful as it is for me to admit, he wants a defense like the one across the bay. The reason the Whiners defense is so good is because every clown on that side of the ball makes tackles with super consistency. Especially so in the running game, which frustrates other teams and puts them into pass only mode. Their secondary is pretty mediocre at coverage, but they can all tackle too. So they keep guys in front of them and only allow short completions without any run after catch. Once they have a lead they get a little more gambly when they have teams in pass only situations.
Spencer is a great example. The guy was easily the best tackling CB on the roster. The run defense was a lot better with him in there containing the corner. Couldn’t cover very well though and was quickly exposed in the passing game.
Pat Lee was the opposite. More of a natural cover corner that didn’t have the nose for tackling. He’d make some of the tackles that ran his way, but he also missed a few. More than that (if you go watch some tape) you’ll see he is very easily blocked out of plays, so doesn’t show up on the stat sheet with either a tackle of a miss.
I think DA wants secondary that are tackling beasts; that are hard nosed machines looking to blow up running plays at the line of scrimmage; that aggressively play the flats and go ballistic breaking up screens before they get going. Lee wasn’t that flavor (whereas Bartell and Spencer are, and Huff as a safety better be!) so he’s keeping the guys that can tackle as special teams as well as backups.
It’s a very different paradigm for us Raiders fans to think of corners that are there for tackling first, coverage second, given the long history of amazing cover guys in Silver and Black. It’s going to take some getting used to for sure.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
But the point is we could’ve won those games anyway. Yes the defense had some stinkers but the TB game was winnable. Protect the football and we win. The ATL game same thing winnable. That’s a 5-3 record right there. He has to get better with his decision making late in games that’s how great QB’s make their teams better. I know only a few can do it but that is the difference between good and great……simple as that.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
This team is a mess.
Can’t block
Can’t run
Struggles to score (19th in scoring)
Can’t rush the passer
Allowed a rookie to run for 250 yards
Allows 28.6 points/ game
Palmer is one of the few bright spots on this team.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
LOL at Anthony Randolph being the 12th guy on the Denver bench.
Hey maybe if it goes to quadruple OT he might get a few minutes of run!!!
Can’t believe there were people in here whining about trading him for David Lee. That was one of the greatest fleeces in NBA history!!!
November 10th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
This is horrible. I have two daughters, ages 5 and 16 months; I can’t even imagine what Coach and his family are going through. I don’t know them but as part of the Raider Nation and family and a parent myself my heart bleeds. Football seems so small in light of tragedies such as this, but as they play tomorrow we can hope they honour Tyson’s memory with an inspired performance. Godspeed little man.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Don’t get me wrong no one is faulting Palmer for our record that is not what I’m saying I’m saying he could’ve been the difference it’s all about that NEXT LEVEL. He’s good enough to do it but for some reason he’s making game ending throws late in games. He plays outstanding all game then pretty much doesn’t finish.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
BHP,
Winnable?! I don’t think any team can win when they allow a RB to run for 250 yards.
So it’s CPs fault we lost to TB and not the defense that allowed a rookie to run for 250 yards?
November 10th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
The Indy Colts aren’t better than we are and we beat the Steelers should’ve beat ATL so this team can’t be all that bad it’s just finishing has been a problem.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
If the other 21 guys played at about the level Carson Palmer is playing, we would be a minimum of 5-3, probably 6-2.
He certainly hasn’t been perfect, but nobody else has been relatively close to perfect either.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
So maybe yuou didn’t see that game but we were down by 3 with the ball with 2:34 left and he threw 2 picks. Are you really saying we couldn’t have won that game? That game was there for the taking we just didn’t take it.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
OK! Like I said no one is blaming Palmer for our record, maybe you didn’t comprehend that my point is if HE wants to get to that next level he can’t be the reason we didn’t finish.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Colts have an elite QB who is a leader, and are playing massively inspired ball due to the coach situation.
Not a team in the NFL that wants to play them in the postseason.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
BHP,
You know NFL history more than me, but I can’t think of any team that managed to win a game when they allowed 250+ yards rushing.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
if HE wants to get to that next level he can’t be the reason we didn’t finish.
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QB’s TYPICALLY don’t find a next level this late in their career. Sure there are some, but they are few and far between.
This is who he is, the rest of the team needing to improve is much more of a reasonable expectation, than to think Carson is going to turn into a top 5 QB.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Ok what the hell does that have to do with what happened against TB I’m saying the game was there for the taking and he threw 2 bad picks………to argue that is sensless. I’m not saying he is the REASON we lost I’m saying he could’ve been the reason we WON!!
November 10th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
OK! Like I said no one is blaming Palmer for our record,
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The defense has played well enough all year to be 6-2 but we’re 3-5 because of t/o’s late in games. You just can’t do it……………..period
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It sounds like you are blaming CP for our record.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
#198…
That’s a good write-up. It could also explain why Van Dyke was waived early in the year.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Don’t get me wrong no one is faulting Palmer for our record
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Your buddy Mistic sure is. To hear him tell it, Palmer is to blame for everything.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Well if he’s not going to get better then IMO we need to get the young guy ready. Because these late t/o’s can’t continue without some kind of consequences.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
If anyone’s to take the brunt of blame, even tho blame can be spread around, it’s Knapp.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Like I said before, can you people name a team that allowed 250+ yards and still managed to win the game?
November 10th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
I’m not Mistic1….sorry I think Palmer is on the cusp he jsut needs to take the next step is all.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Klay Thompson might not be a top 25 SG in the NBA.
How many shots did he miss in the last few minutes of regulation and both OT’s? And the missed FT’s to ice the game, followed by letting Galonari dunk on him with 10 seconds left?
Pitiful.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Like I said before, can you people name a team that allowed 250+ yards and still managed to win the game?
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That doesn’t make it impossible. And I’m defnitely sure it’s been done but that aint the point. The game was winnable…………..period
November 10th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Palmer is who he is. Almost like a Favre in that he’s a gunslinger will keep you in games but will also make some mistakes. You have to consider that we’re not in ANY of these games without his late game play. Pittsburgh? LOSS. Jacksonville? LOSS.
We are 1-7 without Palmer. That is FACT.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
I’m not Mistic1….sorry I think Palmer is on the cusp he jsut needs to take the next step is all.
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I’m ok with this. Nobody is saying he’s perfect. Certainly can improve some of his decision making.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Well if he’s not going to get better then IMO we need to get the young guy ready.
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If Palmer is not the problem, can’t do that just yet.
Tough sell in the locker room and tough pressure to put on the kid.
They need to sprinkly in a series or two here and there first, before you just start him.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
I aint talking about BLAME, maybe I should give up. It’s NOT about me BLAMING HIM FOR ANYTHING I’m just making the point that he is sooo close to greatness if he can get that out of his game he would be there……….period
That’s my ONLY point………
I’m out this is too tiring…………lol
November 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
What I would give to see Taiwan Jones rip Baltimore’s defense for 150 tomorrow. Pipe dream, I know.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Good night BHP.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
I ain’t saying your blaming him Priest, I am saying (speaking for myself here) that this about as good as it gets with Carson.
To expect him to carry a terrible defense and no running game any further than this is pretty unreasonable for Carson Palmer.
He isn’t one of the elite’s elite.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
The one thing that aggravates me more than anything is that I am a strong believer that the DL and OL is the key to football, like Belichick believes. He puts the most effort into those two areas. Can suffer thru a weaker DB corp if the front 7 (more exactly) is incredibly good. And on offense literally EVERYTHING comes from a good/bad OL.
We have had a woeful OL for over a decade, I’m sick of it. Sometimes it might be good in the run, but it’s the pass protection that matters the most, and has been the main culprit of Raider football for over a decade.
I hope Reggie focuses most of his attention in the off-season on building a top 5 OL and front seven.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
The knock on the Patriots coming into 2012 was a crappy O-line wasn’t it?
Light retired, Mankins is hurt, etc.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Chico,
I don’t think Elite QBs can overcome this mess.
Can’t block
Can’t run
Knappster
No defense
November 10th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
49ers have given up 10 more sacks than us, even though we have attempted 113 more passes than them.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I don’t want to see all these sexy DB/WR/RB/QB picks. I know GMs/coaches often know they can find quality OL/DL cheap in the late rounds. So they blow their wads on the sexy playmakers who take 3 years to develop, or letdown expectations by becoming busts.
I’d rather just see for once Reggie just draft OL and DL and LB all the way from the 1st round thru to the last…okay maybe a sexy mid-round DB….but there has to be a beast NT or two, another tackle, guard, a beast center, an edge rusher, and a couple more nasty ILBs.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I don’t think Elite QBs can overcome this mess.
Can’t block
Can’t run
Knappster
No defense
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This is where we disagree.
I believe Tom Brady can win 10 games with Boston College’s O-line.
Colts were 2-14 last year, they can’t block, their defense isn’t very good, and they had a horrendous running game.
6-3 and getting better every week.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
49ers can run the ball and they play great defense.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
The knock on the Patriots coming into 2012 was a crappy O-line wasn’t it?
Light retired, Mankins is hurt, etc.
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They had issues. But what are the PFF stats on team OLs at the moment? The Patriots have always had one of the best pass-protecting OLs in the league.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
I am all for drafting an elite edge-rusher in the first round.
But there is a reason DB’s and WR’s make more money than ILB’s and RT, and Guards.
They are more important and not as easy to replace.
You can have a fringe Pro Bowl RG, and replace him with a 4th round pick fairly easily the next season.
You have a fringe Pro Bowl DB or WR, you might not adequately replace him for 8 years.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
The Patriots have always had one of the best pass-protecting OLs in the league.
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And yet there are always replacing guys, year after year.
The one constant, the QB.
Elite QB’s make everyone better. Their line doesn’t face the same things the Raiders O-line does, as the opposing D’s fear blitzing Tom too much, and have to double-team their TE for crying out loud.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Anyways, I’ll check you guys in the AM.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
I believe Tom Brady can win 10 games with Boston College’s O-line.
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OL? OK
Can’t run or play defense too? I don’t think so.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Agree to disagree that DBs/WRs are “more important”
Your opinion/prerogative, of course. But imo everything is secondary to the lines.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Later Chico.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Long time listener, first time caller. Just want to say howdy. Great web blog with tons of Raider info. But some of y’all need to fcking chill. It’s just a damn web site for crying out loud. Arguing with a web handle aint to damn fckng bright. Duh?
+ Speakin of the ‘Crying Game’, whoa, the chick had a dick. Imagine that. A guy can’t be to careful these days. How would you like to wake up with that after a drunk night of wild sex. I don’t know if I could make it to the toilet before I puked. Great movie tho. Just sayin.
November 10th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
M Cassel was 11-5 with the Pats. There is only one P Manning in the league who can overcome a bad defense, OL, etc…
November 10th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
229,
GG, and yet Belichik was willing to part ways with Seymour.
What does that say about Big Rich?
November 10th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Big Rich was on the decline. Al, still thinking like he did in the 70’s, snapped him up.
Mind you, Belichick has swept up a bunch of Raider cast-offs the last few years and none have materialized into anything.
But talking of this new regime, I’m glad Reggie’s draft and FA acquisitions have been more about the OL and front 7. Just hope he steps that up.
November 10th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Palmer is just one guy , like I said ,Palmer can’t pass to himself ,when the going gets tough our receivers can’t run real routes and OL can’t block , unless receivers start run real routes in clutch situation and OL can give him some time, Palmer will be 50/50
November 10th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
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November 10th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
You guys need to stop making comparisons, the other guys have different 52 on their team and Palmer have different 52 …
November 10th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Ok what the hell does that have to do with what happened against TB I’m saying the game was there for the taking and he threw 2 bad picks………to argue that is sensless. I’m not saying he is the REASON we lost I’m saying he could’ve been the reason we WON!!
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What player on the roster that particpated in most offensive or defensive plays can you not say that about? There are 11 guys on defense that could’ve made more timely tackles, better reads diagnosing plays, got away from blocks faster, etc — any of which could have kept a TB score from happening. There are 10 others on offense that all could have done things better, like make a catch they didn’t, make a better read on a defender to get more open for Palmer, hold their blocks a little longer to buy him time, or for Gad’s sake, open a frickin hole so that they could have a running game and not have to throw 60+ times!
It’s just a worthless statement to myopicaly focus on anyone player, especially that one player is arguably playing at a higher level than anyone else on the team right now!
In the face of things like facts this whole argument looks much more personally agenda driven and much less football objective. I mean, if you wanted to rant on how Cooper Carlisle is getting routinely manhandled or how the DL disappears for whole series at a time and clamor for upgrades there, we’d all be hearin’ ya. Changing any of those is going to have a whole helluva lot more positive impact than changing out the well performing pieces first.
November 10th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
What player on the roster that particpated in most offensive or defensive plays can you not say that about? There are 11 guys on defense that could’ve made more timely tackles, better reads diagnosing plays, got away from blocks faster, etc — any of which could have kept a TB score from happening. There are 10 others on offense that all could have done things better, like make a catch they didn’t, make a better read on a defender to get more open for Palmer, hold their blocks a little longer to buy him time, or for Gad’s sake, open a frickin hole so that they could have a running game and not have to throw 60+ times!
It’s just a worthless statement to myopicaly focus on anyone player, especially that one player is arguably playing at a higher level than anyone else on the team right now!
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Well said.
November 10th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
This is where we disagree.
I believe Tom Brady can win 10 games with Boston College’s O-line.
Colts were 2-14 last year, they can’t block, their defense isn’t very good, and they had a horrendous running game.
6-3 and getting better every week.
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Did you watch the playoffs last year? If you can get to Brady, he becomes less than average. That whole offense is predicated on having more time in the pocket than any other team. That is what makes it so hard to cover Welker because he triple moves then runs all the way across the field to get open. When the OL wasn’t giving him his seconds, they tried switching to a quick passing game and looked weak.
As for the Colts, it’s an interesting anecdote, but it’s missing one little thing: facts. After acquiring Luck, the Colts revamped their OL. 3 newly acquired starters from trade and free agency and one starter moving from tackle to guard. That’s an 80% change in OL, so maybe the credit shouldn’t go just to Luck.
November 10th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
In the world of Palmer support, let’s look at something. Instead of reading what the pundits say about Palmer and his habit of interceptions, what if we looked at him relative to his peers.
If you look at ints per pass attempts, he is on the same pace as: Brees and Luck (rounded to the nearest tenth percent anyway) and doing better than names like: Romo, Vick, Eli, Dalton, Rivers, Cutler … you know, all those names you drafted higher in your fantasy leagues.
He’s put the ball up more times than habitual throwers like Brady and Rodgers, yet without — and I hope we can all agree — nearly as good of a surrounding cast. And he’s done that without a painful number of picks based on his peers numbers.
Now if you took away the three ints he tossed this year when Moore either ran the wrong option or slipped, and maybe the one where Ford gave up on a deep throw where he had the clear angle on the safety, Palmer would be sitting at the top of the class. Add the four TDs that have bounced out of his receiver’s hands this year, and then we’re also talk about him near the top in TDs.
That last paragraph is not about excuses but just to illustrate that he’s done what he can do to deliver the ball to the right place at the right time with a lot of consistency. When his young WRs start making less mistakes, we can all only hope that Palmer can maintain this same high level of play so that we can see one of the best air games in Raiders history clicking.
November 10th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
i’m excited to not only see what taiwan and reece can do but also to see if it makes any difference at all in the run game. if they get off, then we know the problem is dmc. if they don’t, then we know it’s the line.
personally i think it’s both. the line hasn’t been opening holes, and dmc doesn’t seem very explosive. and he also seems to have no feel for waiting for the hole to open, and THEN exploding.
i have a feeling taiwan and reece won’t be as antsy about it. taiwan is small and won’t wanna run into a wall. and he’s slippery, so he can burst thru a crease when he sees it.
also, reece seems to run very well to seams, when he catches the ball. and he likely won’t blast into any walls either, since he’s not big on blocking.
so, we might really see an improved run game, which would give us a serious chance in this game.
i don’t think the ravens are nearly as good as their record. their defense sucks, and their offense, other than rice, is marginal.
November 10th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Zymurge Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
In the world of Palmer support, let’s look at something. Instead of reading what the pundits say about Palmer and his habit of interceptions, what if we looked at him relative to his peers.
If you look at ints per pass attempts, he is on the same pace as: Brees and Luck (rounded to the nearest tenth percent anyway) and doing better than names like: Romo, Vick, Eli, Dalton, Rivers, Cutler … you know, all those names you drafted higher in your fantasy leagues.
He’s put the ball up more times than habitual throwers like Brady and Rodgers, yet without — and I hope we can all agree — nearly as good of a surrounding cast. And he’s done that without a painful number of picks based on his peers numbers.
Now if you took away the three ints he tossed this year when Moore either ran the wrong option or slipped, and maybe the one where Ford gave up on a deep throw where he had the clear angle on the safety, Palmer would be sitting at the top of the class. Add the four TDs that have bounced out of his receiver’s hands this year, and then we’re also talk about him near the top in TDs.
That last paragraph is not about excuses but just to illustrate that he’s done what he can do to deliver the ball to the right place at the right time with a lot of consistency. When his young WRs start making less mistakes, we can all only hope that Palmer can maintain this same high level of play so that we can see one of the best air games in Raiders history clicking.
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anyone who has watched the games, and understands football would agree, including me.
our record-setting golden haired hero is doing great. he just needs the rest of the team to catch up.
November 10th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Zymurge Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Ok what the hell does that have to do with what happened against TB I’m saying the game was there for the taking and he threw 2 bad picks………to argue that is sensless. I’m not saying he is the REASON we lost I’m saying he could’ve been the reason we WON!!
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What player on the roster that particpated in most offensive or defensive plays can you not say that about? There are 11 guys on defense that could’ve made more timely tackles, better reads diagnosing plays, got away from blocks faster, etc — any of which could have kept a TB score from happening. There are 10 others on offense that all could have done things better, like make a catch they didn’t, make a better read on a defender to get more open for Palmer, hold their blocks a little longer to buy him time, or for Gad’s sake, open a frickin hole so that they could have a running game and not have to throw 60+ times!
It’s just a worthless statement to myopicaly focus on anyone player, especially that one player is arguably playing at a higher level than anyone else on the team right now!
In the face of things like facts this whole argument looks much more personally agenda driven and much less football objective. I mean, if you wanted to rant on how Cooper Carlisle is getting routinely manhandled or how the DL disappears for whole series at a time and clamor for upgrades there, we’d all be hearin’ ya. Changing any of those is going to have a whole helluva lot more positive impact than changing out the well performing pieces first.
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Awesome post, these guys play too much Madden for them to understand all that goes on the real football field
November 10th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
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November 10th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
he’s putting up nice #s with no legit #1 , I wouldn’t even call these guys #2 either , these guys are bunch of #3s and 4s and 5s and 1 guy who failed to make 53 roster for many teams over the last 2 years
November 11th, 2012 at 12:00 am
27-20 Raiders ..trying to fall asleep but the game won’t let me
November 11th, 2012 at 12:03 am
dr_robert Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Zymurge Says:
November 10th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
In the world of Palmer support, let’s look at something. Instead of reading what the pundits say about Palmer and his habit of interceptions, what if we looked at him relative to his peers.
If you look at ints per pass attempts, he is on the same pace as: Brees and Luck (rounded to the nearest tenth percent anyway) and doing better than names like: Romo, Vick, Eli, Dalton, Rivers, Cutler … you know, all those names you drafted higher in your fantasy leagues.
He’s put the ball up more times than habitual throwers like Brady and Rodgers, yet without — and I hope we can all agree — nearly as good of a surrounding cast. And he’s done that without a painful number of picks based on his peers numbers.
Now if you took away the three ints he tossed this year when Moore either ran the wrong option or slipped, and maybe the one where Ford gave up on a deep throw where he had the clear angle on the safety, Palmer would be sitting at the top of the class. Add the four TDs that have bounced out of his receiver’s hands this year, and then we’re also talk about him near the top in TDs.
That last paragraph is not about excuses but just to illustrate that he’s done what he can do to deliver the ball to the right place at the right time with a lot of consistency. When his young WRs start making less mistakes, we can all only hope that Palmer can maintain this same high level of play so that we can see one of the best air games in Raiders history clicking.
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anyone who has watched the games, and understands football would agree, including me.
our record-setting golden haired hero is doing great. he just needs the rest of the team to catch up.
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Yes. 110%.
November 11th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Maybe we will find our own Arian Foster with that practice squad guy, McFadden should be traded for whatever pick we can get for him next year, he will never b the same under any scheme , he’s just collecting checks along with Seymour,Kelly
November 11th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Des Bryant is our best interior Oline , let him start every game over, they should IR Seymour or use the same plan as they use fr McClain, Not sure if its lack of desire or talent has dropped or its the knee injury , if its the knee injury or talent have dropped off, use him as a part time only ,give him only 15-20 plays , but if its lack of desire ,put him on IR already ,give guys like Christo and Houston chance inside
November 11th, 2012 at 12:19 am
when we picked dmc, i didn’t like his body style and felt he could be a bust. he seemed to prove it for awhile. then he shocked the heck outta me and cuz of his crazy production, i had to shrug my shoulders and say “ok, he’s really good.” but now he seems to look much more like he did originally. i fear he was a bit of of a flash in the pan.
regarding stewart, i’m intrigued. he was good enuff to be considered the starter at stanford going into his junior year. he scored a lot. seems like he could be the kind of guy who comes outta nowhere, just cuz he never stayed healthy at stanford and he was slept on. maybe wishful thinking.
November 11th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Kelly is still some what fine in my book, but he shouldn’t be brought back next year either , too much money for what were getting from him.. Next year Dline should look like this Bryant,Houston,Chriso Bilukidi, FA pickup/Draft guy
DE.. should look like this Shaugnessy, Crawford, beast DE, through draft or FA , situation pass rusher DE/LB type
November 11th, 2012 at 12:27 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 12:19 am
when we picked dmc, i didn’t like his body style and felt he could be a bust. he seemed to prove it for awhile. then he shocked the heck outta me and cuz of his crazy production, i had to shrug my shoulders and say “ok, he’s really good.” but now he seems to look much more like he did originally. i fear he was a bit of of a flash in the pan.
regarding stewart, i’m intrigued. he was good enuff to be considered the starter at stanford going into his junior year. he scored a lot. seems like he could be the kind of guy who comes outta nowhere, just cuz he never stayed healthy at stanford and he was slept on. maybe wishful thinking.
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I had doubts about the scheme before maybe it’s the scheme ,but DA n guy were right not trying to suit the scheme around IR prone guy, who’s not even giving 100% out there , going down too easily , running out on bounds 2 yards short of marker.. If we stick with this scheme I feel like we will find a some cheap RB that will fit these scheme just fine and we will, along with RT and C for this scheme , they should get rid of briesil too , and bring in cheap OL , who would be a great system fit .. And we will never look back … All the money saved by trading McFadden and letting go Briesel , would be useful to bring in guys at other positions like DE , WR or secondary
November 11th, 2012 at 12:31 am
if huffs Holds up at CB and Bartell stays healthy ,we can bring both guys back with Joselio as NB, only needing a FS and backups at both safety positions to improve on
November 11th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Wheeler should be brought back next year , if the guy isn’t asking too much money , Burris would take over the other outside spot , leaving on MLB spot to find a starter at after cutting/trading McLain
November 11th, 2012 at 12:35 am
WR unit should look like this #1 receiver through FA, Streater should take over #2 , Moore and DHB would be back ups , Criner, ford , another late round pick ,fight it out for the last 2 spots
November 11th, 2012 at 12:36 am
i think it’s safe to say kelly and seymour are history after this season. i like bryant. works hard. bilukidi may be very good. i think a pass rush end is our #1 priority in the draft.
we need another LB. i would love manti teo but i think a pass rusher is most important. perhaps we could actually get a rush guy in the 2nd or 3rd. teo is a bad azz and he is a bigtime leader. he would take the defense to another level.
corners will be a big deal too. rookies aren’t a great proposition for immediate success but bartell and huff could get us by for another year.
bergstrom will slide in and wiz should move back to guard. i think they’ll probably keep brisiel even though he has been mediocre. that leaves center, and that could come thru free agency.
so, i think we’ll see most of our picks come on the defensive side.
November 11th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Oline would look like this. VELDHEER -Wiz- Fa/drafted center , Briesel??? , and Bergstrom at RT -or FA/draft guy if he can’t keep up
November 11th, 2012 at 12:38 am
at wr, i like moore better than u do. i think he could be pretty good. at least a #2. not sure dhb will ever be a true starter. i think streeter and criner could develop. and ford will be back as a returner/slot guy, where he fits best. it likely won’t be a priority like the line and defense.
if the o-line gets better, palmer can work with what he’s got well enuff.
November 11th, 2012 at 12:39 am
i think we see things about the same for the most part. refreshing to see someone who gets it.
November 11th, 2012 at 12:41 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 12:36 am
i think it’s safe to say kelly and seymour are history after this season. i like bryant. works hard. bilukidi may be very good. i think a pass rush end is our #1 priority in the draft.
we need another LB. i would love manti teo but i think a pass rusher is most important. perhaps we could actually get a rush guy in the 2nd or 3rd. teo is a bad azz and he is a bigtime leader. he would take the defense to another level.
corners will be a big deal too. rookies aren’t a great proposition for immediate success but bartell and huff could get us by for another year.
bergstrom will slide in and wiz should move back to guard. i think they’ll probably keep brisiel even though he has been mediocre. that leaves center, and that could come thru free agency.
so, i think we’ll see most of our picks come on the defensive side.
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If we have money , we should do these two things for sure ,, A legit #1 Receiver and A legit/beast DE with 1st rd pick or FA, those are two of the main weaknesses, I think finding guys at other positions should be easy
November 11th, 2012 at 12:43 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 12:39 am
i think we see things about the same for the most part. refreshing to see someone who gets it.
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because we don’t have an agenda against 1 player and refuse to look beyond that
November 11th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Here’s a list of positions we should look through FA because players at these positions take a long time to live upto there draft statuses
1. #1 WR
2. # 1 CB iif either or both huff and/or Bartell fail
3. # 1 DE if fail to get 1 Fa ,use the first round pick to get one
List of positions we should look for in draft
1st should be used on a beast defensive end if we fail to get one through FA
1. C,RG,RT
2. MLB
3. RB
4. DT
5. Secondary depth
November 11th, 2012 at 12:56 am
well a lot of guys on here just repeat stuff they’ve heard. i was saying since last year that mcclain was awful. a ton of guys kept telling me he was a beast. finally they start seeing it and opinion changes.
and they fall in love with hype. a bunch of guys kept saying how they wanted bruce cammbell and then joe barksdale to be in th lineup and how crazy it was that they weren’t.
right no, there are a bunch who think taiwan, reece, pryor, ausberry, criner are amazing and the coaches are idiots for not playing them more. they just don’t understand taiwan is small, not a good blocker, and inconsistent according to DA. reece is a bit of a one-trick pony. he was a wr in college and despite his size, plays like one still. pryor has great measurables and desire but is nowhere close to being ready. ausberry could end up being legit but he’s still only in year two of learning how to be a te. his blocking is not up to par yet. criner is like most rookie wr’s. well behind in learning the complete job of his position.
the nfl is hard, and coaches want a lot more than a flash here or there.
November 11th, 2012 at 12:58 am
9 till the game, still can’t sleep
November 11th, 2012 at 12:59 am
here’s my wish list:
thru draft:
mlb
pass rush end/lb
cb
rb
dt
thru FA:
pass rush end/lb
c
wr
dt
November 11th, 2012 at 1:01 am
i still think every game left on the sked is winnable. the raiders have shown they can beat the steelers and should have beaten the falcons. tomorrow’s game seems more winnable than last week’s.
the ravens aren’t as good as their record to me. and the bucs are red hot.
November 11th, 2012 at 1:03 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 12:56 am
well a lot of guys on here just repeat stuff they’ve heard. i was saying since last year that mcclain was awful. a ton of guys kept telling me he was a beast. finally they start seeing it and opinion changes.
and they fall in love with hype. a bunch of guys kept saying how they wanted bruce cammbell and then joe barksdale to be in th lineup and how crazy it was that they weren’t.
right no, there are a bunch who think taiwan, reece, pryor, ausberry, criner are amazing and the coaches are idiots for not playing them more. they just don’t understand taiwan is small, not a good blocker, and inconsistent according to DA. reece is a bit of a one-trick pony. he was a wr in college and despite his size, plays like one still. pryor has great measurables and desire but is nowhere close to being ready. ausberry could end up being legit but he’s still only in year two of learning how to be a te. his blocking is not up to par yet. criner is like most rookie wr’s. well behind in learning the complete job of his position.
the nfl is hard, and coaches want a lot more than a flash here or there.
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Exactly rem all the noise , DVD was making in training camp, coaching wanted that on tape in actual games , and the guy got abused by 2nd -3rd stringers in pre-season, which is why he’s not here , rem when people went wild over TP run and the pass to J -Criner for long TD , they neglected his other weaknesses, which is why he’s inactive , Taiwan and Ford are just guys made for special teams , Ausberry is not ready , bergstrom is not ready either but kinda coaches fault on that 1 , being asked to learn 4 different positions can’t be easy for the first time in the NFL
November 11th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Realistically, Jeremy Stewart is active for special teams duty. Can’t see him getting more than 1 or 2 carries. Only way I see him getting a look is if Jones has a nervous shocker, fumbling, and/or can’t get going at all, like 5 carries for 8 yards, and they just decide to give Stewart a few carries to see if he can do anything.
I am also a bit unsure if Knapp/DA will even give Jones any carries. Last week, when both backs were out, Jones still only got 1 carry, which doesn’t give anyone confidence that they can trust him.
And reading Knapp’s interview…even if it was about 4 days ago….he didn’t seem enamored with the idea of Jones featuring, using the words “if he even gets any snaps” or something. While when talking of Reece used the word “confidently” about the coaches relying on him to carry the ball.
Still, I hope Taiwan explodes. I really like him.
November 11th, 2012 at 1:08 am
The colts took a dive last year to get Luck, so don’t give him too much credit! Luck made the defense better and the O-line, I guess? He does behave like a “winner” and “finishes’ when he is supposed to.
November 11th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 1:01 am
i still think every game left on the sked is winnable. the raiders have shown they can beat the steelers and should have beaten the falcons. tomorrow’s game seems more winnable than last week’s.
the ravens aren’t as good as their record to me. and the bucs are red hot.
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TB was a winable game too, I don’t think our run D is that bad , it’s the pass O in concerned about.
So I will give the D some pass for this reasons
1. Bryant was out in 2nd half when they got abuse on the ground
2. Seymour is not over his injury/ he will be out ,which should be plus
3. Rest factor 1. TB was fresh coming off 10 days rest 2. We came into the game after we 2 straight games against teams coming of a bye week
November 11th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Sirblitzalot Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 1:08 am
The colts took a dive last year to get Luck, so don’t give him too much credit! Luck made the defense better and the O-line, I guess? He does behave like a “winner” and “finishes’ when he is supposed to.
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Colts weren’t that bad last year , imagine playing with a 3rd stringer who never prepared for the games after sitting behind Peyton for years , with an average back up they could have pulled 4-5 more wins then they got lost year , but the guy was more like a 3rd stringer/ CFL Qb
November 11th, 2012 at 1:15 am
Post #283 ,I meant pass D I’m concerned about
November 11th, 2012 at 1:16 am
GG Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Realistically, Jeremy Stewart is active for special teams duty. Can’t see him getting more than 1 or 2 carries. Only way I see him getting a look is if Jones has a nervous shocker, fumbling, and/or can’t get going at all, like 5 carries for 8 yards, and they just decide to give Stewart a few carries to see if he can do anything.
I am also a bit unsure if Knapp/DA will even give Jones any carries. Last week, when both backs were out, Jones still only got 1 carry, which doesn’t give anyone confidence that they can trust him.
And reading Knapp’s interview…even if it was about 4 days ago….he didn’t seem enamored with the idea of Jones featuring, using the words “if he even gets any snaps” or something. While when talking of Reece used the word “confidently” about the coaches relying on him to carry the ball.
Still, I hope Taiwan explodes. I really like him.
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I think that guy will be given the same opportunities In Offense, they will most likely IR both McFadden and Goodson pretty soon
November 11th, 2012 at 1:21 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 12:59 am
here’s my wish list:
thru draft:
mlb
pass rush end/lb
cb
rb
dt
thru FA:
pass rush end/lb
c
wr
dt
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Agree with you for the most part but why did you leave out RG and RT, do you think we will be set at those positions ? Who do you realistically see that will take over the RT position on this team ?
November 11th, 2012 at 1:38 am
i think the o-line will be veldheer–wiz–?–briesiel–bergstrom.
i haven’t been impressed w/ brisiel but he’s knapp’s boy. supposedly was solid in zbs.
November 11th, 2012 at 1:41 am
27-20 .. I hate game days .. Can never sleep lol
November 11th, 2012 at 1:44 am
at rb, last week they basically abandoned the run when goodson was hurt. DA hates fumblers and i think he hates the idea of leaning on taiwan. he’ll get a shot. but he’ll have a short leash. stewart won’t get in unless they have no choice.
re: dmc and goodson, high ankle sprains are usually a few weeks. say 4. at that point we’ll know all we need to know about the season and the rb’s.
just based on dmc’s history, i am skeptical about his return. goodson showed his toughness in preseason when he suffered the neck injury. i suspect he’ll be back quicker. i like him too. he’s fast and he’s built better than jones or dmc. more of a classic rb body. would love to see what he could do with a few games of 20+ carries. he was pretty good in carolina when williams/stewart were hurt.
November 11th, 2012 at 1:44 am
i think 27-20 too. great minds think alike!
November 11th, 2012 at 1:45 am
#286…
I hope they do IR them.
McFadden is no use to us if he’s out 4-6 weeks minimum, or longer like last year ended up, never ready, always maybe next week.
Goodson, he’s useful on STs as well. An okay RB. But not one particularly excited in having or not.
November 11th, 2012 at 1:57 am
Texans have a rookie C starting at RG, he has rotated with 4 year veteran Antoine Caldwell , they have a 2nd year guy D Newton starting at Rt and he rotates every 3 or 4 th series with Ryan Harris , they let go Briesel (RG) Winston (RT)
Have young players starting at both positions and rotating with other guys and haven’t missed a beat, maybe we should do that ? give bergstrom chance at RG , RT
, give wiz chance at LG , try CC at RG , Parsons at C, can’t be worse than they already are
November 11th, 2012 at 2:02 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 1:44 am
at rb, last week they basically abandoned the run when goodson was hurt. DA hates fumblers and i think he hates the idea of leaning on taiwan. he’ll get a shot. but he’ll have a short leash. stewart won’t get in unless they have no choice.
re: dmc and goodson, high ankle sprains are usually a few weeks. say 4. at that point we’ll know all we need to know about the season and the rb’s.
just based on dmc’s history, i am skeptical about his return. goodson showed his toughness in preseason when he suffered the neck injury. i suspect he’ll be back quicker. i like him too. he’s fast and he’s built better than jones or dmc. more of a classic rb body. would love to see what he could do with a few games of 20+ carries. he was pretty good in carolina when williams/stewart were hurt.
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Knock on Goodson was he fumble too much, he have def managed to hold onto the ball in limited time, and looked way better than McFadden behind this line when given the chance, so just IR McFadden ,Goodson should be back before him, then use all 3 Rbs in games
November 11th, 2012 at 2:04 am
GG Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 1:45 am
#286…
I hope they do IR them.
McFadden is no use to us if he’s out 4-6 weeks minimum, or longer like last year ended up, never ready, always maybe next week.
Goodson, he’s useful on STs as well. An okay RB. But not one particularly excited in having or not.
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Not too excited about him either but he have done some good things in limited playing time, so wouldn’t mind taking a hard look at him and find out if we have a Rb on roster already or find one through draft next year
November 11th, 2012 at 2:17 am
nothing has changed — http://www.heaven666.org/spear-chuckers-60508.php
November 11th, 2012 at 2:20 am
F*^^*k off fangs ,you f7kin pos, talk about Raiders or take your crap somewhere else, nobody cares about your stupid posts you idiot
November 11th, 2012 at 2:25 am
What’s odd is that Taiwan has only fumbled the ball once at Oakland, and that was last week, on a fake punt.
Yet there’s that label of him being a fumbler.
Meanwhile…
McFadden has fumbled 14 times in his 5 years here, including 3, 5, and 4 in his first three seasons.
Goodson has fumbled 5 times in four years (2011 he didnt get any carries).
Maybe Taiwan fumbles every now and then in practice, but that doesn’t mean too much come game day. I mean, either McFadden has also fumbled a lot in practice but that never stopped any coach starting him each week, or, he has seldom fumbled in practice but come live games he still coughs it up, meaning can’t take too much stock from practice.
November 11th, 2012 at 2:26 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 2:20 am
F*^^*k off fangs ,you f7kin pos, talk about Raiders or take your crap somewhere else, nobody cares about your stupid posts you idiot ====== pathetic baboon worshipper
November 11th, 2012 at 2:31 am
Fangsraiders Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 2:26 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 2:20 am
F*^^*k off fangs ,you f7kin pos, talk about Raiders or take your crap somewhere else, nobody cares about your stupid posts you idiot ====== pathetic baboon worshipper
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Have you looked at yourself in the mirror lately? Ask your self if this is what your mom gave you birth for? If anyone who should have been aborted ,it should have been you
November 11th, 2012 at 2:34 am
Get some help fangs , we know you need help , we’re all here for you to help you
November 11th, 2012 at 2:35 am
It’s mind-boggling how the blog mods can allow such constant racist trolling, not IP ban the person.
November 11th, 2012 at 2:40 am
Especially as this a blog that represents the Oakland Raiders, with supposedly a number of club employees/players/coaches who regularly visit it.
And this is an official NFL/Raiders beat writers blog. So there are standards they must uphold. You don’t see this nonsense at SFGate and many non-official Raider forums, blogs, twitter feeds.
And, this is a club which thru Al has stood up against racism and segregation. Al himself preeminently associated with that.
So it’s extra embarrassing and poor of the blog mods, of Ibabuzz entity, to constantly allow such behavior here, not running a tighter ship.
One could think that it’s the blog mods/employees themselves who troll this site.
November 11th, 2012 at 2:40 am
fangs–do u realize ur a fan of the most racially forward-thinking team in football? why would u pick the raiders?
November 11th, 2012 at 2:53 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 2:40 am
fangs–do u realize ur a fan of the most racially forward-thinking team in football? why would u pick the raiders? ======= spoken like the good jew tool you are
November 11th, 2012 at 2:54 am
hey dr dumb move to Haiti then give your opinion
November 11th, 2012 at 2:56 am
keep working hard…90% of your wages goes to feeding & housing you pet baboons
November 11th, 2012 at 2:58 am
we’ll see what rights you will have when you become the MINORITY
November 11th, 2012 at 2:59 am
…you white fools are being genocided and don’t realize it…how pathetic you are
November 11th, 2012 at 3:00 am
its because of you white race traitors that this country is going in the sh!tter….congratulations!
November 11th, 2012 at 3:02 am
but u never answered why u would like the raiders, who have always loved blacks and hispanics.
November 11th, 2012 at 3:02 am
fangs–what do u do for a living?
November 11th, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] due to the fact he didn’t make the trip with the team to Baltimore. The more… Son of Raiders D-line coach dies at age 4 – ibabuzz.com 11/10/2012 Tyson Williams, the 4-year-old son of Raiders defensive line coach [...]
November 11th, 2012 at 3:23 am
“Race traitors” — A term used by dumb hillbilly rednecks to describe people who don’t stupidly judge everyone by a few superficial physical characteristics (such as skin color or nose shape).
November 11th, 2012 at 3:24 am
pretty sure fangs’ dad played jug in the family band. his mom played washboard.
November 11th, 2012 at 3:24 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 3:02 am
fangs–what do u do for a living?
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He no doubt goes to Middle School — and probably flunks Gym and Home Room. His favorite meal is the paste they use in art class mixed with his own nasal mucous, and his life’s ambition is to toss Larry the Cable Guy’s salad.
November 11th, 2012 at 3:27 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 11th, 2012 at 3:24 am
pretty sure fangs’ dad played jug in the family band. his mom played washboard.
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Incidentally, did you know that Fangs’ mom is also his aunt, and his dad is also his uncle? And he only has one set of grandparents (and great-grandparents for that matter)? Sure makes Christmas a lot cheaper…
November 11th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: No Winner.
antispy3 Says: Raiders 29 Ravens 23
Baker Laker Says: Oak 45 Balt 41
dr_robert Says: 27-20 too.
fingers Says: Raiders 30….. Heckle & Jeckel 24
GG Says: Raiders 33 Ravens 27
Los Raida Locos Says: Raiders 38 Baltimore 28
mcfadden20. Says: Raiders 37 blackbirds 0
Plunketthead Says: Raiders 37 blackbirds 28
qodrn: Raiders 24 Silly Black Birds: 21