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Notes and observations from Raiders-Ravens game

Eight days ago, the Raiders were within striking distance of the AFC West lead. Today, they are three games behind the pace-setting Denver Broncos and one more loss away from shifting their thoughts to 2013.
The quick turn of events illustrates just how fast a team’s fate can change in the NFL. The Raiders 55-20 loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, coupled with the Broncos victory over the Carolina Panthers, leaves the Raiders three games behind the Broncos and wondering where things went awry.
A scan of the stats from today’s game shows that the Raiders outgained the Ravens, converted a higher percentage of third-down plays and controlled the ball for far longer than the Ravens.
However, that’s why stats can be so misleading, too.
The Ravens outplayed the Raiders overall, especially on special teams and in making the big plays when it mattered most.
In particular, the Ravens returned a kick for a touchdown, turned a fake field-goal attempt into a touchdown and recovered a muffed punt return by Phillip Adams that led to another Ravens touchdown.
Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco also got far more out of his 341 yards passing than Carson Palmer did out of his 368.
Flacco passed for three touchdowns and consistently got the Ravens into scoring position with well-timed, well-placed throws.

– This was supposed to be the game that we got an extensive look at second-year running back Taiwan Jones, given injuries to Nos. 1 and 2 backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson.
Instead, the Raiders relied more upon fullback Marcel Reece and rookie Jeremy Stewart in the run game than they did Jones, who rushed only twice.
Reece rushed 13 times for 48 yards, Stewart seven for 22. Jones rushed twice for 6 yards and caught one pass for 7 yards.
Stewart spent the first part of the season on the Raiders practice squad. He was signed to the 53-man roster Saturday and played more than Jones, who has been active all season, one day later.

– The Raiders committed 10 penalties for 105 yards and looked nothing like the team that showed good composure and discipline in that regard for most of the first eight games.
Twice, linebacker Aaron Curry got called for personal-foul penalties. He talked at length about wanting to bring passion and energy to the Raiders in his first game back from injured knees.
Instead, Curry brought wreckless play that turned bad situations into worse. He needs to harness that energy and aggressiveness and make sure that his passion and energy are properly guided. Otherwise, he isn’t helping out the Raiders much at all.
Curry also saw some time on defense, something coach Allen said he intended to do with Curry as a means of giving the three starters a chance to get some rest and not play every snap.
Right guard Mike Brisiel committed a few penalties, as well, in one of his worst games of the season. Worse, he stepped on Palmer’s right foot on a fourth-and-one play that ended with Palmer on his backside and sacked.

– Backup quarterback Matt Leinart got into a game for the first time this season after spending the first eight on the sideline as Palmer played every down.
Leinart attempted one pass after entering the game late in the fourth quarter and the outcome not in question.

– Cornerback Michael Huff played really well for most of the first half in his bounce-back game from a subpar showing against the Buccaneers the week before.
Huff intercepted a Flacco pass that set up a Raiders field goal in the second quarter. He later came close to intercepting another pass.
However, he also got beat at least a couple of times on deep throws that helped change the complexion of the game.

– Huff wasn’t the only defensive back that struggled to contain the Ravens receivers.
On one play, wide receiver Torrey Smith ran past Huff, who appeared to be expecting help from free safety Matt Giordano once Huff let Smith go.
Instead, Smith ran a straight post route, with strong safety Tyvon Branch unable to get to Smith in time after leaving his man. Smith turned the busted coverage into a 47-yard touchdown.
On another play, a Ravens receiver ran a short post route, with Giordano late reacting to the quick cut inside. The receiver hauled in the pass for a touchdown.

– Ron Bartell returned to the lineup after missing the past seven games with a shoulder injury.
He appeared to hold up well, though he wasn’t able to make much of a difference in pass coverage, either. Flacco simply had too many open receivers too often for any one defender to stem the tide,

– The Raiders did a nice job bottling up Ravens running back Ray Rice, a player Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano compared to current Bucs running back Doug Martin.
Martin rushed for 251 yards and four touchdowns against the Raiders a week ago. Rice managed only 35 yards on 13 carries and 33 yards on four receptions.
Rice still found a way to make his mark on the game. He scored on a 7-yard touchdown just before halftime in turning a close game into a 27-10 margin.

– Adams muffed a punt once again. The Ravens parlayed the turnover into a touchdown one play later.
Jones and Joselio Hansen had an opportunity to recover the loose ball. However, the Ravens came out of the pile with the ball and capitalized right away.

– Things don’t any easier for the Raiders. Next up is a home game against the New Orleans Saints next Sunday, followed by a road game against the Cincinnati Bengals on Nov. 25.
The Saints handed the Atlanta Falcons their first loss of the season Sunday, and they head to Oakland riding back-to-back impressive victories and looking far more like the team that lost to the 49ers in the playoffs last season than the one that started 2-5 this season.
The Bengals drubbed the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants on Sunday, as they improved to 4-5, as well.
In other words, Allen and his coaching staff don’t have much time to get things corrected, and they have very little room for error the final seven games.

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  • mcfadden20.

    bcz24 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Reggie is not ready to be a GM and probably never will.
    *******
    Based on what? Not turning a mediocre to bad team into a playoff contender in less than 1 year when you start off 40 mill over the cap with only 3 draft picks?

    —-
    Exactly

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    bcz24 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 10:51 am

    1231.Seymour Bush Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 10:42 am
    #1 on the hot seat: Tarver. His alignments are awful. Teams REPEATEDLY come out in the second halves march down the field and score. Honestly, I have no idea what Tarver is doing.
    *************
    Yeah… because before Tarver came along this team was just shutting people down after halftime. You know… like the Buffalo game last year that we took a 24-3 lead into the half and then completely dominated defensively… oh wait.
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    touche.

  • fingers

    Only an idiot would blame all the turnovers on Palmer… ANSI don’t need to explain anything… You need to learn what ” team game “… I’m watching the game right now… We’re lucky to have Palmer …

  • mcfadden20.

    Please explain how Cam Newton is very good? what you mean by very good ? like leading a team back to #1 pick?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    fingers Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Only an idiot would blame all the turnovers on Palmer… ANSI don’t need to explain anything… You need to learn what ” team game “… I’m watching the game right now… We’re lucky to have Palmer …
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    take it up with the nfl stat keepers

    dont shoot the messenger

  • fingers

    I’ve seen missed tackle after missed tackle… Stupid penalties … Poor coverage … And dropped passes… Not 1 of those mistakes was caused by Palmer…

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    Charlie Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 9:32 am
    The cold hard reality is that Mr. Davis made too many talent acquisition mistakes the last ten years.

    As much as Mr. Davis did for the AFL, NFL and the Raiders in his career, he hurt this team for the last ten years.

    We still have cap issues (Seymour and Kelly are an embarrasment). We still are a year away from a full set of picks but we will focus on our lines in the draft and start to get better.

    Yes Hue and Cable both started to breakdown some of the old ways but even during those years, we NEVER beat a good football team. Look it up.
    Good formidable teams with good Olines routinely kicked our a$$. Playoff teams constantly hammered us.
    ========

    I have looked it up..We were up 2 scores on Detroit and blew it to lose by 1 point. We beat Houston on their home field. We got blown out by a 15 win team on their field & were beat by 12 points by the AFC Champion at home, and Campbell had a costly INT in the end zone that hurt.

    The year before we got blown out by Pittsburgh on their home field…swept the AFC West division champion, lost by 5 against the Colts, and beat the NFC West champ by 30.

    But hey if the 2006 Raider team has any bearing on why Tits & co. suck clue me in.

  • fingers

    The stats don’t miss tackles… Drop passes and hold…

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Based on everything he has done since becoming GM.
    _____

    bcz24 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Based on what? Not turning a mediocre to bad team into a playoff contender in less than 1 year when you start off 40 mill over the cap with only 3 draft picks?

  • mcfadden20.

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    fingers Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am

    Only an idiot would blame all the turnovers on Palmer… ANSI don’t need to explain anything… You need to learn what ” team game “… I’m watching the game right now… We’re lucky to have Palmer …
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    take it up with the nfl stat keepers

    dont shoot the messenger

    —–

    How is C Newton very good?

  • Marks hair

    Worst staff in the league. Fail

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Well Carson Palmer got his yards in that blowout.

  • fingers

    The were down 10 points in the first Qtr….not Palmers fault…
    Penalties and poor Defense…

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    I like Palmer I’m in his corner but he has to make better decisions. Too many INT’s, not all are his fault but that 1 at the end of the Tampa game and the one in ATL….stingers man….stingers!
    ______

    fingers Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I’ve seen missed tackle after missed tackle… Stupid penalties … Poor coverage … And dropped passes… Not 1 of those mistakes was caused by Palmer…

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    KK, whats Reggie’s record as GM ?

    Has the DOW recovered from Husseins re election yet?
    _______

    KoolKell Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:08 am

    Well Carson Palmer got his yards in that blowout.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Bcz24 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:00 am
    Reggie is not ready to be a GM and probably never will.
    *******
    Based on what? Not turning a mediocre to bad team into a playoff contender in less than 1 year when you start off 40 mill over the cap with only 3 draft picks?

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    Remember that MistaBrown also beat us over the head for months with the upcoming “Romney Landslide.” His predictive skills leave something to be desired, to put it mildly.

  • wishbone

    Mistic I agree with you 100%. TP should be used whenever possible. DA & Reggie have something big against the kid I think. Could use him in certain packages, but certainly could have gave him some much needed game experience in some of these blowout. It’s too bad Mark Davis is too dumb to see what a huge mistake he made by hiring Reggie (and in turn DA). I think the only way to get through to him is not support this regime one bit. If were Mark Davis I would fire the entire staff and give unlimited control to Jon Gruden. I guarantee he would not put up with this crap and would use TP.

  • fingers

    Mistic… Your gripe is a personal dislike of Palmer… Plain and simple…has nothing to do with his play…. Your obsessed …

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    fingers Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:06 am

    I’ve seen missed tackle after missed tackle… Stupid penalties … Poor coverage … And dropped passes… Not 1 of those mistakes was caused by Palmer…
    ============

    this is a common defense for palmer, but it is moot as no one has blamed palmer for missing tackles or anything other than his turnovers and the part they play in the losses.

    It was well documented about the teams defensive woes, and palmer needed to play error free to keep us in a shootout the last two weeks, he failed logging a miserable 5 turnovers

  • bcz24

    I wish they would start Pryor for a week… just to show you dummies the truth. You’d be screaming for Palmer by the end of the first quarter.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Palmer played pretty well yesterday. His only INT was because the D-Lineman batted his pass and made a great play. That is more the offensive line’s fault than Palmer’s.

  • mcfadden20.

    Cam Newton 12 TD’s 16 TO’s

    How are those good #’s

  • bcz24

    It was well documented about the teams defensive woes, and palmer needed to play error free to keep us in a shootout the last two weeks, he failed logging a miserable 5 turnovers
    ***********
    Yeah, if Palmer played turnover free yesterday we would have only lost by 28… that would have made us all feel soooo much better today.

  • fingers

    Just watch Huff and Branch get burned deep again….. Palmers not on the field..

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    wishbone Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:11 am

    Mistic I agree with you 100%. TP should be used whenever possible. DA & Reggie have something big against the kid I think. Could use him in certain packages, but certainly could have gave him some much needed game experience in some of these blowout. It’s too bad Mark Davis is too dumb to see what a huge mistake he made by hiring Reggie (and in turn DA). I think the only way to get through to him is not support this regime one bit. If were Mark Davis I would fire the entire staff and give unlimited control to Jon Gruden. I guarantee he would not put up with this crap and would use TP.
    ================

    it is simple due diligence really

    dont worry though, at the 3-8 mark there will be no way to excuse pryor being inactive, and there will be no way to sell tix unless pryor is in the game

  • mcfadden20.

    SO Mistic which of the “wave of the future” qb’s does Car go for next year with the #1 pick

  • bcz24

    DA & Reggie have something big against the kid I think.
    *********
    Yeah, they have the fact that he isn’t a good QB against him.

  • Marks hair

    The batted balls were because the d knew the plays.. knapp sucks

  • bcz24

    If were Mark Davis I would fire the entire staff and give unlimited control to Jon Gruden. I guarantee he would not put up with this crap and would use TP.
    *********
    Yeah, you would be firing Gruden in week 3 when we weren’t 3-0 too…

    Refresh my memory as to which QB Gruden successfully developed in he HC career…

  • mcfadden20.

    Russel is 6-4 with Seattle? with top 4 D and top 4 run O

    Big ben was 13-0 with top 5 D and top 10 run O

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks hair Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:16 am

    The batted balls were because the d knew the plays.. knapp sucks

    —-

    Exactly , Knapps play calling s8ckks

  • mcfadden20.

    actually Russell wilson was 5-5

  • Marks hair

    Carolina will take clowney or jones.. like we could have if we excepted the rebuild and played tp.. wasted yr..

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    If carson doesnt start winning and avoiding the turnovers what will his legacy be?

    he has lost every maningful game he has played for us, including the int ending our season last year.

    Including the last two weeks that we needed to keep our season alive.

    i dont think anyone outside of this board will care about yardage totals when all is sadi and done and we are once again elemanted from contention.

    That didnt save jeff george, or kerry collins, and it wont save palmer.

    win or your out, that is how the nfl works for aging vet qbs

  • mcfadden20.

    IS*

  • DutchRaider77

    Refresh my memory as to which QB Gruden successfully developed in he HC career…

    Bruce Gradkowski? Think that might be it…

  • mcfadden20.

    WOW Newton have 10 Int, with 100 less attempts than Palmer, wow he s9ckk

  • fingers

    I’m watching midway through the 2nd qtr…. 17 to 3…
    None of those 17 points are on Palmer … Again… He’s playing from behind because of a horrible defense… A terrible special team and a mistake prone Oline

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks hair Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 11:18 am

    Carolina will take clowney or jones.. like we could have if we excepted the rebuild and played tp.. wasted yr..

    No way they pass over any of the “wave of the future” qb’s with the # 1 pick

  • fingers

    A tipped pass… Int …that’s on Palmer..

  • mcfadden20.

    Hey new post Mistic, tell me which qb will carolina take with the # 1 pick next year

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    A PALMER DEBATE ON THIS BLOG..WHO WOULD HAVE THUNK IT !!!

  • wishbone

    What is the point of having TP on the roster if he is gonna be inactive every week? If Reggie & DA think so little of this guy then cut him loose. Why not give Taiwan a ton of carries yesterday. So what if he fumbles. It wouldn’t have changed the game. Reggie and DA wanna blame Al for being hamstrung, but that doesn’t ex[lain the pure lack of effort on Defense which is supposed to be DA’s thing. I think DA has completely lost the team and what little respect they had for him in the beginning is gone. Time to clean house again, but this time get rid of the overpaid, underachieving, overrated players like McClain, Kelly, Seymour, Briesel, Carlisle & Curry. Time to cut ties with Dmac and get somebody who can play 16 games.

  • zopi

    Racial insanity is alive and well in this here US of A.

    The Raiders continue to lose games under Palmer, (BTW11-24 the last 3 seasons), they’re good enough to beat JVille, KC, and Pitt, but obviously find the way to lose against the better teams in the league.

    Neither one of the team leaders, from BigMac Junior, Carcass, Big Rich has stepped out to take charge and make the team compete at the expected level. All we get from the post conferences is the same robotic bs we’ve have gotten accustomed to for what seems forever now. Of course is ridiculous to blame 55 points on Carcass, but he is not the upgrade nor the solution to make this team a winner, the trade from the very get go was wrong and made out of desperation.

    LoNeal said in the Raiders post game the team was not only outplayed and out-coached, but was also outclassed. Who does LoNeal work for? A lot has been said about the new changes in the team, but getting outclassed by the Ravens? LoNeal also said that the team needs to bring in winners, because winning is contagious in some mysterious way, losing is also contagious. So, when LoNeal is talking about bringing winners, where does the team begin? Who goes and stays?

  • DJ Johnny

    That resounding thud you heard last night was the utter failure of Jason Campbell.

    The highest paid backup QB in the NFL was brought in specifically to come in and be a capable QB for the Chicago Bears. There is no other conclusion to be drawn except that he failed miserably.

    The turd Campbell left on the field may take several years to clean up.

    His constant checkdowns spelled utter disaster in what can only be described as a game which will serve to define his weak legacy in the NFL.

    After rushing to Chicago as quickly as possible so that he could carry a clipboard for Jay Cutler, we knew one day Campbell would have his opportunity to prove he was worth the ridiculous contract he signed with the Bears.

    With Cutler injured in the 1st half, JC was called upon to do what he was brought to Chicago to do in the first place….win the ball game.

    To avoid costly interceptions, JC opted to take the safe route which proved even more costly. Constant checkdowns and short, safe passes left the Bears short of the first down on many occasions. When he did dare throw any medium range passes, they were horribly overthrown, leaving a disgusted and frustrated Bears fan base wondering why the team would throw away such an exorbitant fortune on an obviously untalented and unprofessional backup.

    On one skipped pass that came up short in a critical situation to Devin Hester, it left the entire football universe wondering if JC was indeed mentally unstable. It quite possibly was the worst pass ever thrown in a professional football game…or pee wee for that matter.

    The entire world is now vomiting in the aftermath of the horrific, inexcusable display of ineptitude by Campbell and shock and disgust at the amount of money they wasted to bring him to Chicago.

    3 pt’s in a key matchup on national Tv? Inexcusable and unforgivable.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    LMFAO at DJ Johnny #1295

  • DaRaiders022

    I feel bad for Palmer. First the Bengals, now this.

    Bad organizations start at the top! Management hires the coaches, coaches (are supposed to) coach the players, players (are supposed to) make plays! Performance matters, and we have bad, bad performance! No heart, no focus, no desire, just pick-up the paycheck and show up for practice! What a disaster!

  • DaRaiders022

    pdr Says:
    November 11th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
    I didn’t think these guys could go backwards so quickly, but wow. They’ve done it. Allen looks clueless on the sidelines each time something slightly controversial happens on the field. Hiring a rookie coach with a roster going through transition is a recipe for disaster. As much as hardly anyone wants to hear it, I really wish Mark Davis could have talked Gruden into coming back to coach this team. If Allen is in fact Reggie’s man, he couldn’t have made a bigger mistake, all things considered.

    The defense just does not have the talent, the offensive line personnel is lacking as is the coaching, Greg Knapp’s play calling is terrible as is evidenced by how well the offense moves when Palmer is allowed to run the no-huddle, the personnel moves seem to be made with a focus on recreating the team and tearing down what little success was built in the last two seasons.

    Today, I woke up with no hope for this game. Turns out I was right. It’s really hard to even watch football at all these days, I’ve started working on projects in the garage and try to avoid any media about the Raiders on Sundays to keep my blood pressure down. But I love this team too much to give up on them, and somehow I watch with the fascination of watching an impending train wreck.

    Today delivered. It was embarrassing, but more embarrassing is how nonchalant some players are (in particular, Tommy Kelly). We really need to move the players on that are just going through the motions. No intensity, no anger, just… acceptance.

    Ridiculous.

    Best post of the day! Reality check indeed!!