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Notes and observations from Raiders-Ravens game

Eight days ago, the Raiders were within striking distance of the AFC West lead. Today, they are three games behind the pace-setting Denver Broncos and one more loss away from shifting their thoughts to 2013.
The quick turn of events illustrates just how fast a team’s fate can change in the NFL. The Raiders 55-20 loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, coupled with the Broncos victory over the Carolina Panthers, leaves the Raiders three games behind the Broncos and wondering where things went awry.
A scan of the stats from today’s game shows that the Raiders outgained the Ravens, converted a higher percentage of third-down plays and controlled the ball for far longer than the Ravens.
However, that’s why stats can be so misleading, too.
The Ravens outplayed the Raiders overall, especially on special teams and in making the big plays when it mattered most.
In particular, the Ravens returned a kick for a touchdown, turned a fake field-goal attempt into a touchdown and recovered a muffed punt return by Phillip Adams that led to another Ravens touchdown.
Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco also got far more out of his 341 yards passing than Carson Palmer did out of his 368.
Flacco passed for three touchdowns and consistently got the Ravens into scoring position with well-timed, well-placed throws.

– This was supposed to be the game that we got an extensive look at second-year running back Taiwan Jones, given injuries to Nos. 1 and 2 backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson.
Instead, the Raiders relied more upon fullback Marcel Reece and rookie Jeremy Stewart in the run game than they did Jones, who rushed only twice.
Reece rushed 13 times for 48 yards, Stewart seven for 22. Jones rushed twice for 6 yards and caught one pass for 7 yards.
Stewart spent the first part of the season on the Raiders practice squad. He was signed to the 53-man roster Saturday and played more than Jones, who has been active all season, one day later.

– The Raiders committed 10 penalties for 105 yards and looked nothing like the team that showed good composure and discipline in that regard for most of the first eight games.
Twice, linebacker Aaron Curry got called for personal-foul penalties. He talked at length about wanting to bring passion and energy to the Raiders in his first game back from injured knees.
Instead, Curry brought wreckless play that turned bad situations into worse. He needs to harness that energy and aggressiveness and make sure that his passion and energy are properly guided. Otherwise, he isn’t helping out the Raiders much at all.
Curry also saw some time on defense, something coach Allen said he intended to do with Curry as a means of giving the three starters a chance to get some rest and not play every snap.
Right guard Mike Brisiel committed a few penalties, as well, in one of his worst games of the season. Worse, he stepped on Palmer’s right foot on a fourth-and-one play that ended with Palmer on his backside and sacked.

– Backup quarterback Matt Leinart got into a game for the first time this season after spending the first eight on the sideline as Palmer played every down.
Leinart attempted one pass after entering the game late in the fourth quarter and the outcome not in question.

– Cornerback Michael Huff played really well for most of the first half in his bounce-back game from a subpar showing against the Buccaneers the week before.
Huff intercepted a Flacco pass that set up a Raiders field goal in the second quarter. He later came close to intercepting another pass.
However, he also got beat at least a couple of times on deep throws that helped change the complexion of the game.

– Huff wasn’t the only defensive back that struggled to contain the Ravens receivers.
On one play, wide receiver Torrey Smith ran past Huff, who appeared to be expecting help from free safety Matt Giordano once Huff let Smith go.
Instead, Smith ran a straight post route, with strong safety Tyvon Branch unable to get to Smith in time after leaving his man. Smith turned the busted coverage into a 47-yard touchdown.
On another play, a Ravens receiver ran a short post route, with Giordano late reacting to the quick cut inside. The receiver hauled in the pass for a touchdown.

– Ron Bartell returned to the lineup after missing the past seven games with a shoulder injury.
He appeared to hold up well, though he wasn’t able to make much of a difference in pass coverage, either. Flacco simply had too many open receivers too often for any one defender to stem the tide,

– The Raiders did a nice job bottling up Ravens running back Ray Rice, a player Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano compared to current Bucs running back Doug Martin.
Martin rushed for 251 yards and four touchdowns against the Raiders a week ago. Rice managed only 35 yards on 13 carries and 33 yards on four receptions.
Rice still found a way to make his mark on the game. He scored on a 7-yard touchdown just before halftime in turning a close game into a 27-10 margin.

– Adams muffed a punt once again. The Ravens parlayed the turnover into a touchdown one play later.
Jones and Joselio Hansen had an opportunity to recover the loose ball. However, the Ravens came out of the pile with the ball and capitalized right away.

– Things don’t any easier for the Raiders. Next up is a home game against the New Orleans Saints next Sunday, followed by a road game against the Cincinnati Bengals on Nov. 25.
The Saints handed the Atlanta Falcons their first loss of the season Sunday, and they head to Oakland riding back-to-back impressive victories and looking far more like the team that lost to the 49ers in the playoffs last season than the one that started 2-5 this season.
The Bengals drubbed the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants on Sunday, as they improved to 4-5, as well.
In other words, Allen and his coaching staff don’t have much time to get things corrected, and they have very little room for error the final seven games.

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  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    “Mike Brown has one big flaw in his coaching: he does not make adjustments in game. That’s what killed him in Cleveland, and that’s what killed him with the Lakers. If you go back to every series that the Cleveland Cavaliers lost, and every series that the Lakers lost, Mike Brown did not make adjustments within the game. That’s it. Let’s keep it real. If we’re going to be real, then let’s keep it real. That’s his biggest flaw. It’s not preparation. It’s not his defense, before the game and getting a game plan together. It’s within the game.” Magic Johnson

    Not make adjustments in game…Who’s that remind you of?

  • MikieG

    Here is part of the difference between our run game and the Texans…offensive lines aside…and the difference between Foster, and Undrafted Free Agent Practice Squad guy, and our near and dear Darrin McFadden…

    If you want to earn the respect of a hard-hitting defense, you have to be hard-hitting yourself.

    So it was no surprise the Bears were impressed with Texans running back Arian Foster last night.

    “He’s a bad ass,” Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher said, via John Mullin of CSNChicago.com. “You watch him on tape, you watch him on TV, you can’t really get a grasp of how fast he is, how big he is. I had no idea.”

    He does now.

    Foster did the toughest thing for a running back to do — he ran when everybody in the building knew the run was coming.

    It was just the second time in 20 games the Bears had allowed a 100-yard rusher, but it was different from the 141 Chris Johnson hung on them. That included an 80-yard run in the fourth quarter of a blowout, whereas Foster got his yards methodically.

    “He’s so patient,” Bears defensive end Corey Wootton said. “It’s not so much that he’s explosive. He waits on his blockers, makes good decisions and then really hits the hole he picks.”

  • bcz24

    whose to blame for messing with a successful line then? No one?
    ***********
    I said early on in the preseason that the 1 glaring mistake that would haunt us was not resigning Bob Wylie and letting him handle the oline. He had those guys playing above their heads.

  • Charlie

    Guys, our coaches and GM can not fix 10 years of mismanagement in one.

    Everyone on this blog thought our schemes were outdated and our coaches for the last ten years were buffoons.

    They were not.

    Our talent has been sub standard since 2002!!!!!!!!!!
    On previous posts I have pointed out that our 1st and 2nd round picks for the last ten years have been awful. Further, there has been almost no focus on either line during that ten year period.
    This is what you get. Second tier types that others have deemed expendable: Brisiel,Tollefson,Seymour,Carter,Smith etc etc etc.

    The only solution is develop a system and draft the talent to fit it.
    3-5 YEARS OF REBUILDING.

  • Charlie

    Bcz 24

    See my post 1054.

    You are 150% CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Our OL was solid last year. We have 4 starters from last year, but the current staff decided it’s better to switch their positions and scheme, and you don’t want to blame the coaching staff. It’s not the same OL?! No Shiiiiiiit! Why is that?
    You People…..

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    Boss01 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:49 am
    Bergstrom, Biluki, Criner, Crawford are turning out to be wasted picks by Reggie. We needed players that could contribute NOW. Would have been nice if at least 1 guy other than Burris could contribute. A decent O-lineman or D-lineman could have done wonders.

    If Willie Smith is still getting reps, that means Bergstrom sucks. We needed that pick to be money.

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    Exactly, and you also give opportunities to DVD & Barksdale before just stating ‘oh they suck’ I can find better…Joselio Hansen should be cut today for barking at Bolden.

  • Marks hair

    Nobody but mactroll20 is giving these players a pass. Top pick = new players.

  • bcz24

    boss01 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:49 am
    Bergstrom, Biluki, Criner, Crawford are turning out to be wasted picks by Reggie. We needed players that could contribute NOW. Would have been nice if at least 1 guy other than Burris could contribute. A decent O-lineman or D-lineman could have done wonders.
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    Come on man. You can’t expect day 1 play makers to be drafted AFTER the 3rd round. Sure you may hit on 1 here or there (Burris) but they are mostly developmental guys. It is irrational to think that Reggie failed because he didn’t get 5 playmakers with his 5 draft packs after the third round.

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    Raider O Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:55 am
    Our OL was solid last year. We have 4 starters from last year, but the current staff decided it’s better to switch their positions and scheme, and you don’t want to blame the coaching staff. It’s not the same OL?! No Shiiiiiiit! Why is that?
    You People….

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    Holla!

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    Charlie Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:54 am
    Guys, our coaches and GM can not fix 10 years of mismanagement in one.

    Everyone on this blog thought our schemes were outdated and our coaches for the last ten years were buffoons.

    They were not.

    Our talent has been sub standard since 2002!!!!!!!!!!
    On previous posts I have pointed out that our 1st and 2nd round picks for the last ten years have been awful. Further, there has been almost no focus on either line during that ten year period.
    This is what you get. Second tier types that others have deemed expendable: Brisiel,Tollefson,Seymour,Carter,Smith etc etc etc.

    The only solution is develop a system and draft the talent to fit it.
    3-5 YEARS OF REBUILDING.

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    They will not get 5 years if the team still sucks…Most coaches get 3…if they’re lucky, Hell, Spagnulo & McDaniels didn’t get that many years & they were coordinators on SuperBowl winning teams.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Or the geniuses like Aaron Curry who dive at guys heads 20 seconds after the whistle blows.

    **********************

    That guy…….SMH

    Beyond awful.

    That was a terrible trade.

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    Also, I didn’t think Hue’s scheme was outdated..BTW, how is our updated D scheme looking now?

  • Just Fire Baby

    We have 4 starters from last year,

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    Barnes hasn’t played in almost 2 months, let’s revise that to 3 starters, can we?

  • boss01

    1059.bcz24 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:56 am
    boss01 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:49 am
    Bergstrom, Biluki, Criner, Crawford are turning out to be wasted picks by Reggie. We needed players that could contribute NOW. Would have been nice if at least 1 guy other than Burris could contribute. A decent O-lineman or D-lineman could have done wonders.
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    Come on man. You can’t expect day 1 play makers to be drafted AFTER the 3rd round. Sure you may hit on 1 here or there (Burris) but they are mostly developmental guys. It is irrational to think that Reggie failed because he didn’t get 5 playmakers with his 5 draft packs after the third round.

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    I expected that 3rd round pick to be a guy that is contributing on the field on some capacity. Yes Burris was a find. You can find value in 3rd round picks. What value is Bergstrom giving us?

  • nycraider

    Bcz24 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 7:52 am
    whose to blame for messing with a successful line then? No one?
    ***********
    I said early on in the preseason that the 1 glaring mistake that would haunt us was not resigning Bob Wylie and letting him handle the oline. He had those guys playing above their heads.
    ——————–
    you also said Reggie’s only mistake was hiring knapp. so i guess this falls under Knapps umbrella. You are right that the players are the one making the mistakes and proving they are not nfl caliber. Most on this blog 100% agree that many players should go. To me the biggest question mark is Reggie. His selection at CBs were horrible, he signed Brisel for 20 mil, one of the worst signings ever . Franchised Branch who constantly is part of our middle of the field issues. his 3rd round pick at lineman cant beat out willie smith. Reggie will get his chance, but in 2013 there are no excuses.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Burris is regressing badly.

    He has slammed into the proverbial rookie wall, head first.

    Still think he will be a good solid pick, but right now he is giving us D+ level LB’ing play.

  • bcz24

    I expected that 3rd round pick to be a guy that is contributing on the field on some capacity. Yes Burris was a find. You can find value in 3rd round picks. What value is Bergstrom giving us?
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    There were 33 3rd round picks this year, I guarantee without even looking you cant find 3 starters, and I bet less than 1/3 (11 players) are contributing anything more than special teams.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Russell Wilson is obviously the find of the 3rd round this past draft, and outside of that the best two players after him are probabaly the Sanu WR for Cincy and the Jags punter.

  • Marks hair

    Last yr we were compeditive. This yr we’re not.. i knew it was comming. The coaches suck. And the zbs didnt fit.. it was a sure recipe for regression.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    You people have weird logic.

    “It’s not the same OL”
    “Knapp is good because Reggie and DA hired him”
    “DA the rookie HC with one year experience at DC picked his staff without the GM’s approval”
    “it’s not Knapp’s fault. Blame the talent”

    You People…..

  • boss01

    1068.bcz24 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:04 am
    I expected that 3rd round pick to be a guy that is contributing on the field on some capacity. Yes Burris was a find. You can find value in 3rd round picks. What value is Bergstrom giving us?
    *********************
    There were 33 3rd round picks this year, I guarantee without even looking you cant find 3 starters, and I bet less than 1/3 (11 players) are contributing anything more than special teams.

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    Lets see, Russell Wilson, T. Y. Hilton, Sean Spence, are solid starters

  • nycraider

    bergstrom was projected as a 5th or 6th round pick by many draft sources. Reggie did reach on him. time will tell, but as of right now this 26yr old rookie cant beat out willie smith

  • Chris in NY

    Can we agree the season was basically lost the day Reggie was hired and Hue fired?

  • Marks hair

    Im watch greg krapp cook a cat in the microwave while telling me to be patient.. Steaks are almost ready… fùcking dumb monkeys

  • HueKnewButHisEgoGrew

    Why do people believe the team needs to regress to rebuild. Seems ass backward to me.

  • Just Fire Baby

    ABout the only positive I got from yesterday was the play of Bilukidi. Obviously he didn’t dominate or anything, but he came in and had a few tackles and showed a decent ability to rush the passer.

    And most importantly, after making a tackle in the 4th quarter, no celebration, no Joselio Hanson trash talk, he generally just seemed pissed off about the whole thing.

    The kid seems to get “it”, from reading his draft quotes and now his play in games.

    Not a Pro Bowl player, but maybe can be a Rod Coleman type player in the years ahead.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I expected that 3rd round pick to be a guy that is contributing on the field on some capacity. Yes Burris was a find. You can find value in 3rd round picks. What value is Bergstrom giving us?
    $$$$$$$$$$

    Exactly.
    He doesn’t have to be a starter, but the guy wasn’t even a backup. He was inactive on gamedays the 1st half of this season, and an UDFA was our backup C/G and W Smith is our backup RT.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Lets see, Russell Wilson, T. Y. Hilton, Sean Spence, are solid starters

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    Ummm……Sean Spence blew out his knee in preseason and hasn’t seen a snap, Hilton has about the same stats as Rod Streater.

    I will stick with Sanu and Angerer as #2 and #3 of that round.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Ok new eeek new contest,..who has a banner idea for my row 1 location for Saints game?…winner gets a row 5 pair,…so far Plunkethead is getting close,…contest ends friday. Bring it.

  • boss01

    1078.Raider O Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:17 am
    I expected that 3rd round pick to be a guy that is contributing on the field on some capacity. Yes Burris was a find. You can find value in 3rd round picks. What value is Bergstrom giving us?
    $$$$$$$$$$

    Exactly.
    He doesn’t have to be a starter, but the guy wasn’t even a backup. He was inactive on gamedays the 1st half of this season, and an UDFA was our backup C/G and W Smith is our backup RT.

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    Exactly

  • Charlie

    Reggie inherited a pile of crap with no picks.

    He did the best he could with other teams rejects.

    He has said all along that we will rebuild through the draft. That is what we will do. Until he gets some 1st and 2nd round picks shut up about Reggie and the coaches.

    Our roster is paper thin. (See special teams).You may not like what I have to say but this is a 3-5 year project.
    WE HAVE CHANGED COACHES FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS AND IT HAS FAILED BECAUSE WE DO NOT HAVE TALENT ESPECIALLY ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE.
    Any one who does not see that does not know football.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I believe Jack Crawford will emerge as the worst draft pick of this class for us.

    Not disappointed, because I did not expect anything from him. He wasn’t very good at Penn State, and has a little too much John Amaechi in him for my liking.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    If they wanted to rebuild this team they should have realized what they had working well and build around that not tear down everything like they did.

    I knew they made a mistake when I heard they had hired Knapp and were moving to the zone blocking scheme.

    We had a top 5 rushing team over the last couple of years….if it were me I would have said lets build around whats currently working well which was only ONE THING…THE RUNNING GAME!!

    When you go from a top 5 rushing team to dead last in one year YES you can blame the coaches at that point.

    ONE LAST POINT!

    I read several articles one that quoted Huff saying now that our defense is modern and the outdated Al Davis scheme is gone they will be a top 5 defense…LMFAO where is the top 5 defense we were promised with the NEW SCHEME?

  • boss01

    1079.Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:18 am
    Lets see, Russell Wilson, T. Y. Hilton, Sean Spence, are solid starters

    *********************************

    Ummm……Sean Spence blew out his knee in preseason and hasn’t seen a snap, Hilton has about the same stats as Rod Streater.

    I will stick with Sanu and Angerer as #2 and #3 of that round.

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    T. Y. Hilton is sure contributing more than Bergstrom and Spence will be if he heals.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    By the way, only one season left up in Oakland,..2014 will be in LA,..its not even a secret any longer,…people in LA know it, people in Oakland know it…Mark told people in Baltimore in the hotel lobby saturday about it, (after a few belts)…next year will be interesting as Hell,…lets hope it gets very ugly…maybe some of those Occupy Oakland losers can help, clearly they have nothing else to do, this will give them a few months to get a free lunch again.

  • Just Fire Baby

    ).You may not like what I have to say but this is a 3-5 year project.

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    10 and then

  • Just Fire Baby

    T. Y. Hilton is sure contributing more than Bergstrom and Spence will be if he heals.

    *********************************

    That wasn’t my argument, but yes Hilton is producing more than Bergs as, right now.

    Spence might not play an NFL snap after completely shredding every knee ligament and breaking his kneecap.

  • nycraider

    Why do we in the blog struggle with letting ex raiders go? especially when the rest of the nfl does care. From Cable, Huejak, sterling moore, dvd, derrick hagan..whose next taiwan jones. some of you actually predicted DVD would be a pro bowl player after his release. if hue jackson is such a good head coach than shouldnt he get another HC job next year? same with cable
    Hue jackson had many excuses , but his ego and his ability to blame others cost him his job. quite frankly, if i died and someone insulted me like Hue did , i would hope my son would stand up for me like Mark Davis did. I get that so many reggie lovers in here are hard on Hue but give Reggie all the excuses in the world. I disagree with that, but at some point we all have to move on. many of us in here suffer from overating our own players. bottom line, our players are a mess, knapp needs to go and DA and reggie have had horrible first years ytd.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    WTF is Curry thinking? Two Personal Fouls? Jeesh, he’s gone… wow, where is the talent? look at every single unit, its thin on talent, OL, WRs, RB, DL, LBs, DBs, we’ve got four or five starting caliber players on the team! then you add a lack of discipline and lack of interest from team vets and this is what you get….

    SUPER DUPER URGENT things to FIX:
    1) Cant run the ball
    2) Cant pressure the QB

  • No Mas Diamante

    anyone fired yet?

  • Marks hair

    Just dumb.. the whole season. The whole plan. Just dumb..

  • HueKnewButHisEgoGrew

    1082. This team was 1 play out of the playoffs last year. I’m not sure how firing the head coach, getting rid of the guys who got you there and replacing them with other teams rejects is supposed to make us better unless you are saying he is tanking the season for better draft picks.

  • Just Fire Baby

    . From Cable, Huejak, sterling moore, dvd, derrick hagan..whose next taiwan jones. some of you actually predicted DVD would be a pro bowl player after his release.

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    Don’t forget “Beast” Campbell, who is inactive weekly for the Panthers.

  • boss01

    I want this season to be over with already. Can’t wait to see some of the gutting that will go on before the draft.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Knapp needs to got, no question. But building this roster up to playoff lever will take some 3 or 4 years. Look at it, nothing to build on, when youve got a ton of money invested on Dline and you can pressure the QB then youve got a huge problem. Our best CB is a Draft Bust Safety. Our franchise tag safety is grasping at air…our best player is a journeyman LB…wow, zero talent.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
    . From Cable, Huejak, sterling moore, dvd, derrick hagan..whose next taiwan jones. some of you actually predicted DVD would be a pro bowl player after his release.

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    Don’t forget “Beast” Campbell, who is inactive weekly for the Panthers.

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    And Louis Murphy, who had zero catches yesterday…

  • No Mas Diamante

    keep these players on o
    veldheer
    wiz
    meyers
    reece
    mcfadden
    dhb
    streeter
    moore

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
    . From Cable, Huejak, sterling moore, dvd, derrick hagan..whose next taiwan jones. some of you actually predicted DVD would be a pro bowl player after his release.

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    Don’t forget “Beast” Campbell, who is inactive weekly for the Panthers.

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    And Louis Murphy, who had zero catches yesterday…

    ++++++++++++
    and Stan Routt who is looking for a job…

  • jesusraiderjim

    RaiderRockstar Says
    The Fake Fg?… It’s a sign of the way our team has lost respect….teams are licking their Chops to play the Raiders

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    It’s a sign That Hansen was confused as to how bad he was getting his ass whopped and he talked shvt when he shound not have. Harbaugh just wanted to make sure he knew we were losing.

    I really believe that the two events are related