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Notes and observations from Raiders-Ravens game

Eight days ago, the Raiders were within striking distance of the AFC West lead. Today, they are three games behind the pace-setting Denver Broncos and one more loss away from shifting their thoughts to 2013.
The quick turn of events illustrates just how fast a team’s fate can change in the NFL. The Raiders 55-20 loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, coupled with the Broncos victory over the Carolina Panthers, leaves the Raiders three games behind the Broncos and wondering where things went awry.
A scan of the stats from today’s game shows that the Raiders outgained the Ravens, converted a higher percentage of third-down plays and controlled the ball for far longer than the Ravens.
However, that’s why stats can be so misleading, too.
The Ravens outplayed the Raiders overall, especially on special teams and in making the big plays when it mattered most.
In particular, the Ravens returned a kick for a touchdown, turned a fake field-goal attempt into a touchdown and recovered a muffed punt return by Phillip Adams that led to another Ravens touchdown.
Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco also got far more out of his 341 yards passing than Carson Palmer did out of his 368.
Flacco passed for three touchdowns and consistently got the Ravens into scoring position with well-timed, well-placed throws.

– This was supposed to be the game that we got an extensive look at second-year running back Taiwan Jones, given injuries to Nos. 1 and 2 backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson.
Instead, the Raiders relied more upon fullback Marcel Reece and rookie Jeremy Stewart in the run game than they did Jones, who rushed only twice.
Reece rushed 13 times for 48 yards, Stewart seven for 22. Jones rushed twice for 6 yards and caught one pass for 7 yards.
Stewart spent the first part of the season on the Raiders practice squad. He was signed to the 53-man roster Saturday and played more than Jones, who has been active all season, one day later.

– The Raiders committed 10 penalties for 105 yards and looked nothing like the team that showed good composure and discipline in that regard for most of the first eight games.
Twice, linebacker Aaron Curry got called for personal-foul penalties. He talked at length about wanting to bring passion and energy to the Raiders in his first game back from injured knees.
Instead, Curry brought wreckless play that turned bad situations into worse. He needs to harness that energy and aggressiveness and make sure that his passion and energy are properly guided. Otherwise, he isn’t helping out the Raiders much at all.
Curry also saw some time on defense, something coach Allen said he intended to do with Curry as a means of giving the three starters a chance to get some rest and not play every snap.
Right guard Mike Brisiel committed a few penalties, as well, in one of his worst games of the season. Worse, he stepped on Palmer’s right foot on a fourth-and-one play that ended with Palmer on his backside and sacked.

– Backup quarterback Matt Leinart got into a game for the first time this season after spending the first eight on the sideline as Palmer played every down.
Leinart attempted one pass after entering the game late in the fourth quarter and the outcome not in question.

– Cornerback Michael Huff played really well for most of the first half in his bounce-back game from a subpar showing against the Buccaneers the week before.
Huff intercepted a Flacco pass that set up a Raiders field goal in the second quarter. He later came close to intercepting another pass.
However, he also got beat at least a couple of times on deep throws that helped change the complexion of the game.

– Huff wasn’t the only defensive back that struggled to contain the Ravens receivers.
On one play, wide receiver Torrey Smith ran past Huff, who appeared to be expecting help from free safety Matt Giordano once Huff let Smith go.
Instead, Smith ran a straight post route, with strong safety Tyvon Branch unable to get to Smith in time after leaving his man. Smith turned the busted coverage into a 47-yard touchdown.
On another play, a Ravens receiver ran a short post route, with Giordano late reacting to the quick cut inside. The receiver hauled in the pass for a touchdown.

– Ron Bartell returned to the lineup after missing the past seven games with a shoulder injury.
He appeared to hold up well, though he wasn’t able to make much of a difference in pass coverage, either. Flacco simply had too many open receivers too often for any one defender to stem the tide,

– The Raiders did a nice job bottling up Ravens running back Ray Rice, a player Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano compared to current Bucs running back Doug Martin.
Martin rushed for 251 yards and four touchdowns against the Raiders a week ago. Rice managed only 35 yards on 13 carries and 33 yards on four receptions.
Rice still found a way to make his mark on the game. He scored on a 7-yard touchdown just before halftime in turning a close game into a 27-10 margin.

– Adams muffed a punt once again. The Ravens parlayed the turnover into a touchdown one play later.
Jones and Joselio Hansen had an opportunity to recover the loose ball. However, the Ravens came out of the pile with the ball and capitalized right away.

– Things don’t any easier for the Raiders. Next up is a home game against the New Orleans Saints next Sunday, followed by a road game against the Cincinnati Bengals on Nov. 25.
The Saints handed the Atlanta Falcons their first loss of the season Sunday, and they head to Oakland riding back-to-back impressive victories and looking far more like the team that lost to the 49ers in the playoffs last season than the one that started 2-5 this season.
The Bengals drubbed the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants on Sunday, as they improved to 4-5, as well.
In other words, Allen and his coaching staff don’t have much time to get things corrected, and they have very little room for error the final seven games.

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  • boss01

    1099.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
    . From Cable, Huejak, sterling moore, dvd, derrick hagan..whose next taiwan jones. some of you actually predicted DVD would be a pro bowl player after his release.

    ************************

    Don’t forget “Beast” Campbell, who is inactive weekly for the Panthers.

    =======================================

    And Louis Murphy, who had zero catches yesterday…

    ++++++++++++
    and Stan Routt who is looking for a job…

    ————

    And Kam Wimbley’s 3 1/2 sacks

  • No Mas Diamante

    keep these players on d
    huff
    branch
    houston
    shonasty
    bryant

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “And Kam Wimbley’s 3 1/2 sacks”

    At a price of 2.3 million per sack

    yeah Wimbly is serviceable but he is no rock star he should not be getting Julius Peppers pay!

  • nycraider

    statements that should not be made in after july 2013
    1) We cant sign anyone because we have cap issues
    2) reggie hasnt had a chance to have an entire draft
    3) rolando Mcclain , tommy Kelly, Richard seymour ,lechler, entire secondary , brisel, are part of the raiders roster
    4) greg knapp is our offensive coordinator
    5) Hue jackson should come back to coach our team

  • No Mas Diamante

    hanson is a moron. what an idiot. look at the scorboard son and stfu.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    I say keep the cheap players. Build around the draft. Keep some cash ready in case you get a chance at a top tier FA at an impact position: DE, DT, OT, OG, WR….

  • nycraider

    No Mas Diamante Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
    hanson is a moron. what an idiot. look at the scorboard son and stfu.
    ———-
    kinda reminded me of cj37. something he would do

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    LT Veldheer is a 3rd round pick
    SS Branch is a 4th round pick
    Moore is a 5th round pick
    BURRIS is a 4th round pick, so he was drafted after the 26 YO rookie.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I am still sticking to the script that if Stefan Wisniewski was Stefan Williams, he would not be as popular as he is in here.

    Lots of penalties, lots of iffy pass-protection.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Who the F is the special teams coach? as much as Knapp sucks it up every sunday, the Special teams coach manages to Fugg it up in a limited ammount of plays…fumbles, fake punts awry, fake FGs for a td, every week he is being out coached, he is a Chucky B type dumb SOB…

  • No Mas Diamante

    watching the team on the sidelines yesterday and no one seemed pissed or embarassed. acting like a bunch of thugs… there is no team here. bunch of guys picking up paychecks.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I didn’t know Spence was injured. I wanted us to draft him. I like Miami LBs. A little undersized, but they have speed and they are well coached.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    Sure this team had issues when RM took over out of whack salaries very thin at every position because of the out of whack salaries.

    Probably a corporate office that looked like it was straight out of a Flintstones carton. A buddy system that had been in place for decades that meant employees that needed to be replaced coaches that had been here for years on Scholarship.

    I get that its a process and this entire organization needed to be taken into the modern era top to bottom.

    BUT!

    Why not build on the one strength this team had when RM took over. WHY WHY WHY screw with the O-Line WHY WHY WHY let Bob Wylie go.

    Why not try build around that running game use it as a spring board to get you to .500.

  • No Mas Diamante

    anyone fired yet? come on reg. make a statement. Mark D. get pissed would ya? this crap is not exceptable anymore!

  • boss01

    Has Phillip Adams been cut yet?

    If not, he should get the Roscoe Parrish treatment today.

  • No Mas Diamante

    he should be cut now!

  • Marks hair

    Should have traded dmac while we could. Palmer too.. the firesale needed to happen.. but high hopes from retards got in the way.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Here you go, Special Teams Coord Steve Hoffman comes from the worst team in the league: the KC Chiefs. he has managed to turn the Raiders Special Teams into hot garbage…

  • jesusraiderjim

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:20 am
    Ok new eeek new contest,..who has a banner idea for my row 1 location for Saints game?…winner gets a row 5 pair,…so far Plunkethead is getting close,…contest ends friday. Bring it.

    =================================================
    A new Era of TOUCHE, OLE, DOUCHES

  • DJ Johnny

    1090,

    Nycraider,

    What did Hue say to anybody that was so insulting?
    He never mentioned anybody personally he just referred to the defense not doing its job WHICH IT WASN’T and then said the whole thing “was a joke”…WHICH IT WAS.

    WTH was so insulting about what he said?

  • joetoronto

    Ya, Palmer is clearly the problem.

    The guy has no running game at all to support him, he’s thrown for the 3rd highest yards in the NFL, and he’s the problem.

    SMH.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    Knapp is an arrogant looking person I saw him on the sidelines when Palmer was trying to tell him something he was rolling his eyes.

    I was thinking you might want to listen to your QB ass face since your not the one out there.

    Seems like a real arrogant person to me.

  • joetoronto

    There’s no excuse for not TRYING to run the ball yesterday, until the game was well out of hand.

    No excuse at all.

    The Ravens have really been struggling against the run and all we called were passes.

  • boss01

    The only bright spot yesterday was enjoying Norv’s little rant during his presser. Now that was priceless.

  • jesusraiderjim

    No Mas Diamante Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:49 am
    anyone fired yet? come on reg. make a statement. Mark D. get pissed would ya? this crap is not exceptable anymore!

    ————————————————-
    This is what I personally do not understand

    What hapeened to accountability. All we get is cliches. Isn’t anyone in management pvssed off> I sure the fvck am!

    Just a statement would be something. Come on Reg man up!!!

  • No Mas Diamante

    Why not run Jones yesterday? really bad decision. why even have him on the team. I am over allen. he does not have it.

  • jesusraiderjim

    A new Era of TOUCHE, OLE, DOUCHES, CLICHES

  • DJ Johnny

    1090,

    NYC, I misread your post at first. My apologies. You are referring to what Hue said about Al, but again, what did he ever say about Al that was so offensive?

    He stuck up fpor the guy and called him “Coach”. In fact the biggest criticism about Hue on this blog was that he kissed up to him too much.

    The fact he said “we all know it was Al’s defense” is not an insult, it’s just the truth.

    Hue’s not coming back and we don’t need to belabor the whole thing but it seems we tend to pick apart everything the guy did or said as if it were some egregious affront.

    I’d take Hue’s Raiders over this crap everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

    This team has regressed. Arguably the worst team in football right now and getting worse by the week.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “What hapeened to accountability. All we get is cliches. Isn’t anyone in management pvssed off> I sure the fvck am!”

    It was embarrassing for all of us especially the fake field goal it shows how weak we are at every level.

  • DJ Johnny

    I

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    So Knapp is Ignorant and arrogant.
    Fire that ugly (lol) SOB now.

  • boss01

    What hapeened to accountability. All we get is cliches. Isn’t anyone in management pvssed off> I sure the fvck am!

    Just a statement would be something. Come on Reg man up!!!

    ———–

    There was no accountability yesterday. Even the penalties crept up. All there was was check cashers not givin a F.

    D.A. was supposed to be this hard @$$ who got in people’s faces preaching accountability.

    So far he has failed my eye test miserably.

  • Marks hair

    Theres a reason players yell at knapp on the sidelines. Theres a reason wiz quit..

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “I’d take Hue’s Raiders over this crap everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.

    This team has regressed. Arguably the worst team in football right now and getting worse by the week.”

    Sad that we look at it that way but as a fan when your one good defensive play from post season and the very next year you are one of the worst teams in the NFL……as a paying fan we have a right to be angry and its OK to want to improve every year not regress.

  • jesusraiderjim

    I have been a Raider fan for 45 years and can’t evr remember being this embarrassed or ashamed.

    I do realize in the Grand Scheme of things it is only a football game but, WTF? SMH> Not ROFLMAO cause this shvt ain’t funny even a little bit

  • Al_is_theraiders

    reggie just waking up yo play with his practice roster…

  • No Mas Diamante

    I want to know to see what allen writes down on his little pad after every bad play or penalty.

  • No Mas Diamante

    cable was better than allen. so was hue. this team is a steqaming pile of stinky brown sludge.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    This is bad. Not bed and breakfast bad. Remember when the Bed&Breakfast team played the chargers and Marty had a 3 point lead late in the first quarter and decided not to throw another pass the whole game cause he knew the 3 point lead was safe? LOL, man that was sad.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    ravens kicker

    Asked if he noticed the Raiders being upset, Koch replied: “Not that I know of. I was too busy doing high-fives and spiking the ball.”

    meanwhile dennis allen is walking slowly after jim harbaugh bned him sideways…

  • DJ Johnny

    1131, What an insightful post i made there. Lol.

    I read some of Sapp’s book…especially the Raider stuff and yes, that section is just him defending himself for sucking while with the Raiders and making excuses, but he did make some valid points i think.

    He said the team at that time just didn’t care if they won or lost…just check cashers. He gave props to Al for being a legend but also said the game had passed him by..common stuff…but he also said the team was loaded with talent at times…just didn’t care enough.

    He said he was forced into a position on the line that made no sense and took away what he did best.

    He did give props to the Raider fans as being the most passionate and loyal fans in football and that we deserved better.

    The stuff about the guys not caring reminds of where the team is at right now.

  • nycraider

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 8:53 am
    1090,

    Nycraider,

    What did Hue say to anybody that was so insulting?
    He never mentioned anybody personally he just referred to the defense not doing its job WHICH IT WASN’T and then said the whole thing “was a joke”…WHICH IT WAS.

    WTH was so insulting about what he said?
    ————–
    he definately implied davis was the problem….heres a quote from Hue:
    “I think when you work for the Raiders, you understand that Al Davis is first and foremost — you work for him,” Jackson said. “So I didn’t get an opportunity to put everybody that I wanted on my staff, or run the team or the situation with football operations the way I see fit.

  • joetoronto

    Sapp committed robbery every time he picked up his paycheck but that wasn’t enough, no. He then turns around and slams the franchise every chance he gets.

    He’s the turd of turds, IMO.

  • nycraider

    I am not a Huejak fan but I understand any fan of Huejak who has issues with Reggie supporters continually giving him a pass because of all the excuses. Hue had to deal with alot , imo he probably would have been the coach if he somehow could have checked his ego at the door. something he may not be capable of. Anyway, hes gone and its not like we lost vince lombardi. Time to move forward, to me knapp is gone in january, DA and Reggie will probably remain but they both have alot to prove in 2013. no excuses!!!

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    boxscore from the SD-Oak game where marty shoved it by running it:

    SD rushes 48, passes, 11, score 27-0….that was way more embarrasing than yesterday’s shellacking.

  • Raider-in-PA

    What up Nation?? 10 years of futility has made me numb to losses, but this was a catastrophic loss!

    Time to start evaluating the current roster to make way for next years… This includes getting Pryor on the field!! Call me an imbecile or what you want, but if we dont see what we have roster-wide now, the first half of next season is going to be when it gets done… And that’s too damn late for me and this Raiders team…

    Get it done NOW!!!!

  • Al_is_theraiders

    nah this was bad…

  • joetoronto

    Giordano has to go asap, if not sooner.

    Can Mitchell really be THAT bad, that he can’t replace Giordano?

  • Raider-in-PA

    Tonites the night to start rooting for KC in an attempt to up our draft position….

    Not to mention because I HATE sh!ttsburgh!

  • DJ Johnny

    It is interesting.

    Titans lose big and the owner Bud Adams makes a statement of outrage and accountability.

    Most every team in the league cares enough about their fans to at least pretend like they give a s.chytt.

    We hear nothing except our HC with the obligatory cliche… “this is unacceptable”. Which leads to ask “really”? “Is this really unacceptable….and how much so?” That’s not enough for me.

    I’m not gonna get it, and some of you will argue I don’t deserve it anyway, but i’d like to hear SOMETHING from Reggie or Mark that this really is not acceptable and they’re gonna do things to make it better. Something from them that shows they are pizzed.

    I wonder if they really are. Maybe they aren’t.