Notes and observations from Raiders-Ravens game


Eight days ago, the Raiders were within striking distance of the AFC West lead. Today, they are three games behind the pace-setting Denver Broncos and one more loss away from shifting their thoughts to 2013.
The quick turn of events illustrates just how fast a team’s fate can change in the NFL. The Raiders 55-20 loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Sunday, coupled with the Broncos victory over the Carolina Panthers, leaves the Raiders three games behind the Broncos and wondering where things went awry.
A scan of the stats from today’s game shows that the Raiders outgained the Ravens, converted a higher percentage of third-down plays and controlled the ball for far longer than the Ravens.
However, that’s why stats can be so misleading, too.
The Ravens outplayed the Raiders overall, especially on special teams and in making the big plays when it mattered most.
In particular, the Ravens returned a kick for a touchdown, turned a fake field-goal attempt into a touchdown and recovered a muffed punt return by Phillip Adams that led to another Ravens touchdown.
Ravens quarterback Joe Flacco also got far more out of his 341 yards passing than Carson Palmer did out of his 368.
Flacco passed for three touchdowns and consistently got the Ravens into scoring position with well-timed, well-placed throws.

— This was supposed to be the game that we got an extensive look at second-year running back Taiwan Jones, given injuries to Nos. 1 and 2 backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson.
Instead, the Raiders relied more upon fullback Marcel Reece and rookie Jeremy Stewart in the run game than they did Jones, who rushed only twice.
Reece rushed 13 times for 48 yards, Stewart seven for 22. Jones rushed twice for 6 yards and caught one pass for 7 yards.
Stewart spent the first part of the season on the Raiders practice squad. He was signed to the 53-man roster Saturday and played more than Jones, who has been active all season, one day later.

— The Raiders committed 10 penalties for 105 yards and looked nothing like the team that showed good composure and discipline in that regard for most of the first eight games.
Twice, linebacker Aaron Curry got called for personal-foul penalties. He talked at length about wanting to bring passion and energy to the Raiders in his first game back from injured knees.
Instead, Curry brought wreckless play that turned bad situations into worse. He needs to harness that energy and aggressiveness and make sure that his passion and energy are properly guided. Otherwise, he isn’t helping out the Raiders much at all.
Curry also saw some time on defense, something coach Allen said he intended to do with Curry as a means of giving the three starters a chance to get some rest and not play every snap.
Right guard Mike Brisiel committed a few penalties, as well, in one of his worst games of the season. Worse, he stepped on Palmer’s right foot on a fourth-and-one play that ended with Palmer on his backside and sacked.

— Backup quarterback Matt Leinart got into a game for the first time this season after spending the first eight on the sideline as Palmer played every down.
Leinart attempted one pass after entering the game late in the fourth quarter and the outcome not in question.

— Cornerback Michael Huff played really well for most of the first half in his bounce-back game from a subpar showing against the Buccaneers the week before.
Huff intercepted a Flacco pass that set up a Raiders field goal in the second quarter. He later came close to intercepting another pass.
However, he also got beat at least a couple of times on deep throws that helped change the complexion of the game.

— Huff wasn’t the only defensive back that struggled to contain the Ravens receivers.
On one play, wide receiver Torrey Smith ran past Huff, who appeared to be expecting help from free safety Matt Giordano once Huff let Smith go.
Instead, Smith ran a straight post route, with strong safety Tyvon Branch unable to get to Smith in time after leaving his man. Smith turned the busted coverage into a 47-yard touchdown.
On another play, a Ravens receiver ran a short post route, with Giordano late reacting to the quick cut inside. The receiver hauled in the pass for a touchdown.

— Ron Bartell returned to the lineup after missing the past seven games with a shoulder injury.
He appeared to hold up well, though he wasn’t able to make much of a difference in pass coverage, either. Flacco simply had too many open receivers too often for any one defender to stem the tide,

— The Raiders did a nice job bottling up Ravens running back Ray Rice, a player Buccaneers coach Greg Schiano compared to current Bucs running back Doug Martin.
Martin rushed for 251 yards and four touchdowns against the Raiders a week ago. Rice managed only 35 yards on 13 carries and 33 yards on four receptions.
Rice still found a way to make his mark on the game. He scored on a 7-yard touchdown just before halftime in turning a close game into a 27-10 margin.

— Adams muffed a punt once again. The Ravens parlayed the turnover into a touchdown one play later.
Jones and Joselio Hansen had an opportunity to recover the loose ball. However, the Ravens came out of the pile with the ball and capitalized right away.

— Things don’t any easier for the Raiders. Next up is a home game against the New Orleans Saints next Sunday, followed by a road game against the Cincinnati Bengals on Nov. 25.
The Saints handed the Atlanta Falcons their first loss of the season Sunday, and they head to Oakland riding back-to-back impressive victories and looking far more like the team that lost to the 49ers in the playoffs last season than the one that started 2-5 this season.
The Bengals drubbed the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants on Sunday, as they improved to 4-5, as well.
In other words, Allen and his coaching staff don’t have much time to get things corrected, and they have very little room for error the final seven games.


Steve Corkran

  • nycraider

    lov him or hate him, after that fake fg,,seymour would have sent a message

  • kellygreenninja
  • Raiderbuck

    The reason no one is fired yet is because they know (or think they know) that this year is just waiting until next year.

    They don’t think they got a fair shot with all the personnel and contracts handed to them.

    They knew this at the beginning of the year.

  • Purvisman/Intrepid/ Full Disclosure

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says: contest ends friday. Bring it.======

    And the winner is:
    “NorcoBob is Jon and Amy’s Love Child”

  • Charlie

    The cold hard reality is that Mr. Davis made too many talent acquisition mistakes the last ten years.

    As much as Mr. Davis did for the AFL, NFL and the Raiders in his career, he hurt this team for the last ten years.

    We still have cap issues (Seymour and Kelly are an embarrasment). We still are a year away from a full set of picks but we will focus on our lines in the draft and start to get better.

    Yes Hue and Cable both started to breakdown some of the old ways but even during those years, we NEVER beat a good football team. Look it up.
    Good formidable teams with good Olines routinely kicked our a$$. Playoff teams constantly hammered us.

  • LOL Llama man.

  • Deja vu

    Safety Michael Huff left the game because of a calf injury, and safety Matt Giordano and tight end Brandon Myers suffered concussions. It was Myers’ second concussion of the season.

    Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/12/4978209/trickery-adds-to-oakland-misery.html#storylink=cpy


    I didn’t even realize all these injuries piled up during the game yesterday. I must have shut it off before they happened.

    Myers is no Graham, but this news isn’t too uplifting. 2nd hit to the noggin and following in Boss’ footsteps.

    Now with Huff injured, do we resign Pat Lee?

    Not looking good with Brees and Co. coming to town. Graham having 140 something yards this past week.

  • DJ Johnny

    …and DA does nothing but say how it’s all good.

    DA doesn’t have the muscle to retaliate and the players don’t care enough to even be offended.

    What’s disappointing about this new regime is the stuff we hoped to see change is not…it’s getting worse.

    Players not caring, humiliating big plays against us, and then getting beyotch slapped by Harbaugh and just bending over and taking it.

    DA can master every cliche in the book and think he’s part of the “club” cuz he sounds like a HC, but he’s not getting any respect when he turns the other cheek.

    The lack of respect comes when he shows himself to be a worse coach than Hue Jackson.

    He can “sound” like a HC all he wants and comport himself in a controlled, professional manner but at the end of the day it doesn’t mean jack if you’re getting humiliated on Sunday.

  • Raiderbuck

    Flacco shredded our defense – stop and think about that for a minute. Joe Flacco, shredded out Defense.

  • Chris in NY

    Myers took a helmet to helmet hit late in that one from Pollard that didn’t draw a flag. How the refs missed it I’ll never know. Even that big dummy Dierdorf was going on about what a great, clean hit it was, but the unmistakable sound of helmet striking helmet probably could’ve been heard outside the stadium. Myers clearly looked shaken after that.

  • Charlie


    There is no NFL team that has been mismanaged as badly as the Raiders the last ten years so you can not compare us to other teams and owners.
    (I would argue that the Cowboys and Redskins are just as F@CKED UP in a shorter period of time)

    The JR draft pick alone set us back five years from a cap and draft perspective. The biggest bust in NFL history.

    This is a 3-5 year project.

    The panic of Javon Walker, Randy Moss Deangeleo Hall etc etc should have told you something.

    Games are won on the line of scrimmage and we have ignored the lines for the last ten years.

  • We should draft CB Leon McFadden from SDSU.
    The kid can play.
    Go Aztecs!
    Fear the Spear!

  • Raider-in-PA

    How many of you would LOVE to choke f_in Dan Dier-dousche??

    He is the most condescending announcer toward the Raiders that I’ve ever heard (except mayber Paul McGuire)! Even Dan Fouts doesnt downgrade the Silver & Black like this d!ck… Must have gotten his a$$ beaten by the Raiders too many times during his career as his team’s jock-strap washer…

    The Nation needs to petition CBS to ban him from all Raider broadcasts in the future!

  • Dr. Hunter S. Thompson



  • “How many of you would LOVE to choke f_in Dan Dier-dousche??

    He is the most condescending announcer toward the Raiders that I’ve ever heard (except mayber Paul McGuire)! Even Dan Fouts doesnt downgrade the Silver & Black like this d!ck… Must have gotten his a$$ beaten by the Raiders too many times during his career as his team’s jock-strap washer…”

    I agree 100%

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    The season has slipped into bungle ville and carcass palmer worshipers are scrambling to to patch together any thing that loosley resembles progress.

    In fact this has been the tale of two season for carcass palmer.

    In the first half of the season palmer flashed improvement in the area he ahs been weakest for his career, turn overs . Up to the denver game he played relatively mistake free football, of course he could only muster up one win during that stretch. none the less he earned prasie from me as a guy that was playing to prove he deserved to start for our team.

    Unfortunately caracss is beginning to tatter and fray and he has started to resemble the ghost of bungle past, only impersonating a raider qb.

    Since the denver game (a blowout loss) where he logged is only turn over free game of the year, carcass palmer has been a human blooper reel. 10 of his 12 turnovers have come in the last 5 games.

    this gives him an astounding total of 30 turnovers in only 19 games played!!!!!

    Not only has carcass palmer failed horribly to provide the instant upgrade that so many touted and shouted upon his arrival he is in fact now bordering infamy as he rapidly encroaches into jarmarcuss russell futility as a qb. look at this

    russel 7-18 38 turnovers in 3 seasons

    carcass palmer 7-12 30 turnovers in 1.5 seasons

    He has been so error prone that he is nosed diving at record breaking speed and must find a way to dig deep to avoid becoming russel no. 2

    Russel was only a 3 year pro had a drug problem, fought depression with family deaths and was forced to play with rookies and for a clueless coaching staff that was a carousel during his time

    Carcass is a 10 year vet, and if jarmarcuss doesnt have an excuse than neither does palmer, cut and dry.

    Now that are several known former palmer apologist jumping ship and bailing on carcass here.

    lofty, lefty, j hill, jb, dakota, to name a few have now joined the party late and have realized caracss is not the answer, although i warned them before carcass signed. jfb has even gone as far as to suggest trading palmer in a major about face, after screaming for months palmer was the solution to all of our woes.

    A lonely group palmer worshipers remain with their heel dug in the sand and their heads buried in the sand along with them.

    Time is running out on palmer and his try out phase is proving that he simply will never lead this team anywhere but to the bottom of the nfl where ha has spent most of his underachieving career with the bungles.

    Somebody crack a window because carson palmer and his version of the raiders stinks

  • VanHeathen30

    The Myers hit sure was helmet to helmet…home cooking is alive and well in the NFL,which is why you must win at home.
    As for the banner: WE Are The New Aint’s…

    Reggie McMillen is in over his head…

  • I’m not impressed with Reggie, but he is not doing too bad.
    The 26 YO rookie and Mr. Meltdown #65 = bad!
    Wheeler for Vet Min, Burris, and Streater= Good!

  • Palmer is great he is the reason we have won 3 games this year.

    You can bet your last dollar that Palmer will be here until he retires the coaches and front office all agree.

    Phil Simms Dan Fouts Kurt Warner and almost every sports writers know this and are amazed at how Palmer is handling himself in the wake of a rebuild and yet some mislead angry racial bloggers lash out at Palmer because of his skin color and these dysfunctional degenerates claim that Cam Newton and Michael Vick are somehow better.

  • It’s too early to judge Reggie.
    DA is young, and he made mistakes (staff), but it’s too early to judge him too.
    Knapp is Knapp, and he needs to go.
    Tarver is young, lacks experience, but he has potential. I rather have a vet DC.

  • Raider E

    give it a rest Mistic, the whole team sucks, and Palmer is the best of the worst.

  • DutchRaider77


    So sad…you watched that whole game and the only outrage you have is the play of Carson Palmer.

  • Mistic is not going to rest until his hate for whitey is known by all here.

    Seriously Mistic you used to have valid points but now your just a racist ass- hole that spews his anger all over this blog.

    You have officially dropped this blog to a new low!

  • Raider O Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 9:58 am
    I’m not impressed with Reggie, but he is not doing too bad.
    The 26 YO rookie and Mr. Meltdown #65 = bad!
    Wheeler for Vet Min, Burris, and Streater= Good!


    I will never understand your hatred of a 3rd-round rookie offensive guard who’s not starting yet.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Raider E Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 10:02 am

    give it a rest Mistic, the whole team sucks, and Palmer is the best of the worst.

    lol that isnt saying much is it

    almost jamarcuss bad

  • Raider E

    Mistic has turned morphed into Kell. One-trick pony.

  • Raider E

    It isn’t saying much, I agree. Thats why Palmer is not worth talking about.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 10:04 am


    So sad…you watched that whole game and the only outrage you have is the play of Carson Palmer.

    not my only outrage but you must remember that leading into the games the last two weeks i said carcass would have to win a shootout or play mistake free to keep us close.

    he would need to overcome mistakes by players around him, but in fact he has been a major problem himself the last two weeks logging 5 turnovers.

    do you realize that more than half of palmer picks have come in the 4th quarter this year?

    cant win in the nfl that way, instant upgrade?

  • Baltimore scores 55 points #Palmersfault

    Got a speeding ticket this morning I told the cop it was #Palmersfault

    Wife divorced me for cheating on her I told her #Palmersfault

    Did not pay my taxes for the last 5 years and I told the judge #Palmersfault

    Boss threatened to fire me for screwing off at work I told him #Palmersfault

  • Raider-in-PA

    As much as I like Reese, I really thought we would get a bigger dose of Jones… Dude needs to get a real shot at some point.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am

    Mistic is not going to rest until his hate for whitey is known by all here.

    Seriously Mistic you used to have valid points but now your just a racist ass- hole that spews his anger all over this blog.

    You have officially dropped this blog to a new low!

    why drag race into this?

    what is racist in what i posted this morining? do you need to read it again?

  • joetoronto

    1170: Right on the money.

  • That was unwatchable. Utterly unwatchable.

  • inonewordraider

    Mistic loves when the golden haired hero loses doesn’t he? Hey Mistic so is Nick Foles part of this “new wave”? sure gave the team some life.

    Towel is thrown in, bring me jon gruden. I don’t care what history says about coaches coming back blah blah blah. Gruden knows what the Raider tradition is and he knows how to get a team to play hard for him.

    On a side note Gary Payton was watching the game the same bar i was at. Why is he a 9er fan if he’s from Oaktown? Raiders in LA at the time maybe….

  • Raider-in-PA

    Also, where did Willie Smith come from? Is he REALLY better than Tony Bergstrom? I somehow doubt it…

    I’m not a Palmer fan, but that O-line is still a work in progress…

  • joetoronto

    Cut Giordano, SloLando and Brisel asap, if not sooner.

  • I am much more worried about the coaching staff than I am about Carson Palmer. That was not even football being played by the Raiders. In fact, I don’t know what the Raiders were even doing out there.

  • Mistic1 is a racist #Palmersfault

  • inonewordraider Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 10:12 am

    Mistic loves when the golden haired hero loses doesn’t he?

    He does. But hey, Mistic was really pulling for Jason Campbell and thought Palmer ruined that. But if you watched last nights Bears/Texans game and with everything on the line Campbell threw 6 checkdowns for 4 yards. L. Over. And there goes Mistics cred.

  • Try Some Reality

    LOL at blaming Palmer. The ONE unit he is responsible for is 5th in the NFL.

  • inonewordraider

    Palmer is kinda like sully to me now, i read his post up until i realize it’s a palmer bashing piece and move on. my guess is he doesn’t do a thing for his people, all talk, feels empowered by talking about his peoples plight on a raider blog of all places

  • inonewordraider

    mistic i mean

  • Raider E


    I really wish for just one quarter you could wear Palmer’s shoes.

    I truly believe you would see things alot differently.

    Never judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes.

  • No Mas Diamante

    palmer is not the problem but he did not have a good game at all. Yes there were drops but he was off and he holds the ball too long. does not get thru his progressions fast enough. still I am glad he is our qb. the supporting cast we have surrounded him with sucks.

  • Raider E

    How can Palmer hold the ball too long?

    He has an avg. of 2.7 seconds to throw.

    That would be 4th worst in the NFL, Genuis.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    have they been fired yet?

  • bcz24

    Doesn’t get through his progression fast enough? Are you kidding? Palmer has the least amount of time in the entire NFL at 2.57 seconds from snap to first contact. LOL. You want this guy to disect the coverage and make his way through his progressing in under 2.5 seconds? Why do you think he locks on to receivers so often… he doesn’t have TIME to make his progressions.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    man even the panthers have fired their spt coach…

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    dennis allen seat is hotter than hookers crotch. he has led the team into more blowouts in his first year than even tom barney rubble cable did.

    he has fallen short if what hu jack accomplished and his team is a lifeless turd

    what makes it more damning is that the defense allens calling card has been down right awful.

    I think he is in over his head, and should be swept out at season end. Someone mentioned chip kelly, i find this intriguing.

    If you could pry him away from his cush post in eugene he would be the long sought after instant upgrade on offense, and would really take advantage of the young phenom tp6.

    By the way allen has mismanaged tp6 is also disturbing as pointed out many times here by a few astute members of this message board.

    Ther have been several blow out losses where pryor should have seen mop up duty. ther have been ample opportunities to put a samll package e of playes together for pryor the way denver did for tebow and the niners did for kapernic.

    in fact even jake locker found a way to get on to the field with an established superbowl qb ahead of him

    Now kapernic and locker whom i graded below pryor at draft time are prepared and ready to see significant action as pryor languishes and gets totally ignored for the guy that is supposed to help groom him carcass palmer.

    well this farce cant continue and we are 3-8 after the bungle bowl ( the biggest game of caracss palmers raider career) it will be time to take the wraps off tp6.

    It will be the only reason to watch this dreadful team.

    Allen better wake up, and do a better job with the defense, and managing his young qb prospect

  • inonewordraider

    come on reggie pull the plug on da, get gruden on the phone. Learn from the Buss family