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Saints coaches, players identifed Allen as head coach material early on

The year was 2006, when Dennis Allen was in his first year as an assitant coach for the New Orleans Saints. Allen didn’t have much NFL experience, yet he made an immediate impression upon fellow assistant coach Joe Vitt, now the Saints interim head coach during Sean Payton’s year-long suspension.
Vitt said he realized right away that Allen had what it takes to be an NFL head coach.
“There’s some people that have that ‘it’ factor,” Vitt said. “There’s some people, some coaches, not only are they extremely well versed at coaching their position but they have the people skills and game-day awareness and knowledge of the game that you just know that they’ve got that ‘it’ factor. And D.A. has always had that ‘it’ factor.
“So, when he left here and became the coordinator in Denver, we knew he was going to try. Dennis Allen has coached both ends of the ball now. He’s coached defensive line. He coached it here for one year in ’06, then he coached the secondary. He’s won a world championship, he’s succeeded as a coordinator. D.A.’s succeeded as a player at Texas A&M.”
And he’ll succeed in Oakland Vitt said, because Allen has succeeded at every stop during his football career.
“The only reason that D.A. was hired to be the coach at the Raiders is they wanted to go in a different direction and improve their football team,” Vitt said, “and as anyone knows, you’re going to go through tough times your rookie season as a head coach.
“That head coach and Reggie McKenzie are going to get the right people in there to fit the scheme that they’re playing, and it’s going to take a little bit of time. But you talk about two highly qualified guys that have won big-time at this level and know what they’re doing, that’s a great combination.”
Vitt was just getting started. He said fans need to be patient with Allen. His time is coming, even if it’s not in his first season with the Raiders.
“D.A. has been through tough times before,” Vitt said. “Let me tell you something about D.A. There’s not a more qualified guy to be coaching that team than Dennis Allen right now. … Dennis Allen is smart, Dennis Allen has great people skills. Dennis Allen knows how to teach, motivate and inspire.”
Then, perhaps in a slight toward the man Allen replaced, Hue Jackson, Vitt said Allen has the proper demeanor to persevere through tough times, whereas Jackson lashed out during his postgame news conference after the regular-season finale last year.
“Dennis Allen’s not going to go off the cuff and off the reservation by saying or doing dumb things,” Vitt said. “He’s going to have his football team focused and he’s going to have to get better. … So, D.A. is going to stay the course. He’s going to get people healthy, circle the wagons, and we’re going to get the Raiders best game of the year. We are well versed in that.”
When asked Thursday about his coaching aspirations, Allen seemed more intent upon looking forward, as is his wont.
He didn’t feel compelled to say things such as he always has wanted to be a head coach in the NFL or that this is the job he dreamed of from a young age. He’s all about the now.
“I never really thought about it that much; I really didn’t,” Allen said. “I was fortunate to be in a situation where I got this opportunity, and I’m thankful for that. I don’t really think about how I got here, I think about how I’m going to continue to work to get this team better.”
Raiders free safety Matt Giordano played for Allen with the Saints for one season, when Allen was the defensive backs coach. He, too, recognized that Allen was headed for bigger and better things before long.
“When I was there in New Orleans, I just looked at him as my position coach, but everyone knew he was fully capable of being a defensive coordinator or possibly a head coach,” Giordano said. “He understood the defense there so well. I was thankful to have him that one year as my position coach.”

– Allen said running back Darren McFadden took his injured right ankle for a test run Thursday, with trainers monitoring his every step.
McFadden hasn’t practiced or played in a game since he suffered a high-ankle sprain against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Nov. 4. He has missed five straight practices.
“McFadden was out today and ran around on the side with the trainers, which was, obviously, a good sign,” Allen said. “I don’t know whether or not either (McFadden or fellow running back Mike Goodson) will be able to play this weekend or not. But that’s a good sign that he was out here able to move around. These guys are working extremely hard to get back out here.”
McFadden was spotted at the team’s facility rehabbing his ankle at 6 a.m. today, another encouraging sign. Still, it’s a stretch to envision McFadden playing Sunday against the Saints.
Goodson has not been able to give it a go with his high-ankle sprain, Allen said. Same goes for injured defensive tackle Richard Seymour (knee, hamstring).

– It seems as if every coach or player has some sort of recollection of their dealings with late Raiders managing general partner Al Davis over the years.
Vitt laughed when asked about the first time he met Davis.
“You really want to know?” Vitt said, while laughing, in a conference call.
Sure, coach, fill us in.
“The year was 1981,” Vitt said. “I was in the league for three years, my first year was 1979 I was the strength coach and quality control guy for the Baltimore Colts under Ted Marchibroda. After three years there, we were fired, and after three years, I was 26 years old.
And I want to say the (scouting) combine workout that year was at the Pontiac Silverdome. Fired coaches, the club usually flies them to the combine workout or the Senior Bowl to try and help them secure another job. So there I am, I’m in the locker room, doing the player weigh-in, and there I spot Mr. Davis.
“So, I go up to him, I say, `Hey, coach, my name is Joe Vitt. I’m only 26 years old but I’ve been in the league three years. I was the strength coach, I was the quality control coach, I gave out the tickets on the plane.’ I told him all the wonderful accomplishments I had over my three-year-period with the Baltimore Colts.
“He looked me in the eye and said, `Son, when I was 26 years old I was the commissioner of the AFL.’ I crawled out of the lockerroom. And he never forgot that, and I never forgot that. I’ve always enjoyed my time and my conversations with them since then.”
Great stuff.

– Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp reiterated what Allen has said, that second-year running back Taiwan Jones still has to earn the trust of the coaches before he gets more action in games.
The issues that remain, Knapp said, are Jones’ ball security and blocking assignments. Once Jones gets those down in practice, he will get more of an opportunity to show what he can do in games.
“I’ve got to see ‘em in practice first, consistently,” Knapp said. “And I haven’t seen it consistently in practice, and that’s what we look for, is perfection in practice.”
Knapp said he and Allen can tell whether Jones is ready by watching him in practice, there isn’t the need to see him in a game to make that determination. Jones still isn’t hanging on to the ball as well as the coaches would like.
“Sometimes it’s handoffs and sometimes it’s been on contact,” Knapp said of Jones’ struggles.

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch missed practice for the second straight day today. If he can’t play Sunday, Allen said Mike Mitchell will make his first start this season.
“If he’s able to practice tomorrow, then I’d anticipate he’d be able to play,” Allen said of Branch. “I would have some real concern if he’s not able to practice tomorrow.”
Allen is high on Mitchell because of his passion, desire and ability. The key for Mitchell is playing under control.
“He’s a very passionate player, he works extremely hard, he loves the game,” Allen said. “So, sometimes you just got to slow his heartbeat down a little bit and get him to calm down a little bit. I’ve been pleased with some of the things that I’ve seen Mike do. It’s important to him, and that’s what I like about him.”
Defensive coordinator Jason Tarver echoed that sentiment, saying Mitchell just needs to harness his energy and play within himself.
“I’m more than capable of starting in this league and being a very good football player,” Mitchell said. “I just got to slow my heartbeat down and go play good football. I’m really looking forward to this opportunity. I feel like coach saying that says a lot. It gives me an opportunity to go out there and earn their confidence, earn their trust and just go make plays.”
There won’t be much margin for error Sunday, with Saints tight end Jimmy Graham adept at working over the best of defensive backs.

– If Allen is bothered by the growing discontent of the fan base, he isn’t letting on.
“Hey, listen, I understand that that’s part of the business,” Allen said. “My focus is on doing whatever I can to make this team better. That’s all I can focus on.”
With that said, Allen said that he doesn’t encounter any hostility from fans.
“No. Listen, you can’t please everybody, and I understand that and I know that,” Allen said. “You have to try to do everything you can to give this team a chance to win. That’s the sole purpose and sole thought process of what we’re trying to do.”

– The Raiders sold enough tickets in advance of the league-mandated deadline Thursday so that they can televise Sunday’s game locally.
This marks the fifth straight regular-season home game that will be televised this season and 13th straight, dating back to the start of last season.

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  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    So with all the complaining, what do I expect then?

    Mark to Reggie: What’s happening right now is unacceptable, make changes, fix it, we have tickets to sell, and the big picture, getting a stadium built here.

    Reggie to Dennis: Breaking franchise records for ineptitude. You’ve had 10 weeks and these schemes and personnel moves are regressing our play and creating lockerroom division, which is affecting the financial bottom-line. I recommend you make drastic changes to your staff immediately and we re-convene on FA evaluations to fit what we inherited.

    Dennis Allen then…fires Greg Knapp, hires Al Saunders as OC, thus return to an Air Coryell based offense, PBS, bench Brisiel, allow Saunders to immediately begin a phase of re-configuring the current scheme/plays, ie, installing a bunch of plays in training for that week’s opponent, sitting Tarver down and deciding on a number of personnel changes and formation usages.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    ** fires also Pollack and Hoffman and DB coaches.

  • dr_robert

    none of this will happen until the offseason. after week 12 at the earliest.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Raiders doing their best to fight hunger

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    No kidding!

    we know the Raiders aren’t a “hungry” football team

  • RaiderRockstar

    so… TJones can’t block, secure the football or stay healthy?

    we knew this when he was drafted!

    hey he’s got speed. nice pick Al :P

  • RaiderRockstar

    Mike Mitchell is going to fair MUCH better than Tyvon Branch against Jimmy Graham..

    Branch was projected to give up 150 yards & 3 TD’s on Sunday. We’ll see if MM34 can do any better

    you’re basically replacing Gibril Wilson with Derrick Gibson here. pick your poison

  • Plunketthead

    Semis were rolling last night and some was good
    What type of coach would you like for the Raiders?

    One like Don Shula
    One like Bill Walsh
    One like Bellacheat
    One like Hue Jackson

    Where the heck did KK pull Shula out at?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Dennis Allen has the Raiders off to a 3-6 start

    so he gets all this praise and everybody says he’s HC material ??

    Strange. very odd timing.

    Either he sucks, he’s still learning or he inherited a mess. Thats all you can really say. the DA supporters just have to be patient. If winning football games is the only thing that matters, the Visor has lost twice as many games as he’s won. He still has a lot to prove imo

  • RaiderRockstar

    Plunk,

    for the record… I want a coach like Jon Gruden who never sleeps and wont quit scowling or yelling

    but I’ll settle for Dennis Allen if he can right the ship in a year or two

  • RaiderRockstar

    GG,

    I really don’t think Knapp is the problem, but even if he was?

    Saunders is not the answer.

  • RaiderRockstar

    GG,

    if players are quitting, you’ve got the wrong players

    doesn’t matter what scheme you’ve got or what coaches you’ve got. You learn the offense, defense & special teams then go execute. you do your job.

    is that happening in Oakland? No

  • Plunketthead

    This team was pathetic before Al Hired HueJax.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&

    Not true. The team was pathetic when Cable took over from Lana. Cable forged the bonds for the push to 8-8

    If Hue had set foot in the door before Cable steadied the ship, he would have fallen on his face.

    If I am wrong then and Hue is so great why is he an assist d backs coach or whatever he is?

  • Plunketthead

    Gruden is good choice to emulate for the Raiders. He was a winning coach here and is still alive. Sounds like he is headed to Nashville.

    DA is the same mold as Gruden. Hoping next year shows huge improvements as well as finishing the season on a high note like the pimp hand would. He finished well unlike some loser coaches I know

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Hue is like that ex girl thats hard to get over. You think it will be better, but in the end u just want her back LMAO . Fkk!!
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    No, Gruden is like the ex girlfriend. Hue was just some hot slut you had a one night stand with. You would never take her home to meet your mom, though.

  • Plunketthead

    Seymour bush said
    Those are the facts. It’s arguable that Hue Jackson took everything Cable did and turned the Raiders back into the Raiders.

    Nice one!!! nice post as well

  • Just Fire Baby

    Mike Mitchell is going to fair MUCH better than Tyvon Branch against Jimmy Graham..

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    The sad state of the Raiders secondary, when the “Missile” is an upgrade.

  • hwnrdr

    Good Morning Nation!!!
    Waiting on Sunday!!!

  • bcz24

    Whats up Nation. I’m ready for a nice full day of Reggie/DA bashing!

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Facts:

    - Raiders Head Coaching records:

    Tom Cable: 16-27.

    Dennis Allen: 3-6.

    Hue Jackson: 8-8.

    - The Raiders with Hue as OC-HC:

    Before Hue Jackson: 10-22 in 2008-2009.

    After Hue Jackson: 3-6

    With Hue Jackson: 16-16.

    - Notice a pattern?.

    - Let me break it down a little more:

    Raiders record since 2008 without Hue Jackson: 13-29.

    Raiders record since 2008 with Hue Jackson as OC-HC: 16-16.

    Coincidence?…yeah right.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    By the way, I’m supporting Reggie and DA, unlike the Hue haters who decided 16 games was enough to judge Hue, I believe 16 games are not enough to judge anyone.

    Just tired of the double-standards here.

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    POST-591 IS THE BANNER THAT SHOULD BE HUNG SOMEWERE IN THE BALL YARD..

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    But let me be clear that my support for DA comes from trusting Reggie is going to get this thing going soon, DA has shown nothing to prove he’s ready to be a Head Coach but Reggie saw something on him so I stand behind the big fella, even if he screwed up his 1st year.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Bcz24 Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 6:08 am
    Whats up Nation. I’m ready for a nice full day of Reggie/DA bashing!
    —–
    I’m ready for another day of clowning Mistic.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Hue had a season to install his offense first, had the benefit of an offseason that brought back just about everyone meaningful from the 2010 team, and had the benefit of a draft that had almost all offensive players (Wiz, D-Moore, Taiwan, Barks, Ausberry).

    Allen got a team with a VERY limited draft, a huge purge of players, and this is his first season in his system.

    It is not an apples to apples comparision to compare 2011 to 2012. 2013, will be the comparision to 2011.

    And if we aren’t better than, I will bash DA as much as I did/do Hue.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Hue also had the benefit of being with the team for two offseasons with a HOF owner/GM.

    DA has a doofus for an owner and a rookie GM, learning on the job.

  • bcz24

    I’m ready for another day of clowning Mistic.
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    It’s fun clowning him about football… but for the last few days his tirades about dominant genes and how black people can’t be racist because racism is created by white people (white people invented being rich and famous too, you don’t see him saying black people can’t do that, because it is a ridiculous notion)… no longer fun. Just sad.

  • DJ Johnny

    Bob Marley Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 6:21 am
    But let me be clear that my support for DA comes from trusting Reggie is going to get this thing going soon, DA has shown nothing to prove he’s ready to be a Head Coach but Reggie saw something on him so I stand behind the big fella, even if he screwed up his 1st year.

    Why does everybody have to screw up in Oakland?

    How about a year where things actually go our way for once.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Bcz24, when I was Googling some of crazy theories, I found this blog that might be Mistic’s:

    http://ghettomystic.blogspot.com/

  • Just Fire Baby

    Hands down, if you had to have a blog “personality” as your neighbor, I think everyone would pick every single person and troll ahead of Mistic.

  • bcz24

    I would take Mistic over Debo though…

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    I think I would rather have Mistic as my neighbor than Beeech Dawg. Kell would be my choice for a neighbor.

  • Plunketthead

    I agree Bcz
    The reg trolls seem to be dyeing off or laying low and the supavillian arrives to throw gas on the burning blog

  • hwnrdr

    DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 6:21 am
    POST-591 IS THE BANNER THAT SHOULD BE HUNG SOMEWERE IN THE BALL YARD..

    YUP, I agree…love George Carlin!

  • DJ Johnny

    Bob Marley Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 6:17 am
    By the way, I’m supporting Reggie and DA, unlike the Hue haters who decided 16 games was enough to judge Hue, I believe 16 games are not enough to judge anyone.

    Just tired of the double-standards here.

    It’s just a case of someone not liking him. I think it was his stated devotion of Al Davis for the most part and that Hue called him “coach” etc.

    I think you’ll notice a connection between people that didn’t like Al (or hated him)and being a Hue detractor.

    Some (not all) discredit Hue’s wins as being “lucky” or “could’ve gone either way” or how we lost 4 of the last 5 last yr. but then rationalize our 3-6 as not being that bad etc.

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    FUNNY THING IS,AFTER ALL THE GRIEF HE GETS,PEOPLE KEEP RESPONDING/FEEDING HIM..

  • VanHeathen30

    Another record this weekend?
    Not as bad as he records set by Tampa Bay, or the record setting back to back losses the last 2 weeks…
    Bu Colston is set o be the Saints all time TD guy with a TD catch this weekend…hate seeing other teams celebrate their achievments on our field.
    BTW: Weren’t the players locked out during the off season last year before Hue’s 1st season as HC, not defending him, just saying…

  • Just Fire Baby

    BTW: Weren’t the players locked out during the off season last year before Hue’s 1st season as HC, not defending him, just saying…

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    Since there was no switch of offense, they had a playbook though, unlike teams that did switch and had to wait to talk to their coaches.

  • VanHeathen30

    If only someone could Hack in and play the Carlin routine over he Jumbotron, or whatever they call it these days…be some comic relief from a season in which nothing is funny…

  • DJ Johnny

    The DA defense is we don’t have any talent and how can we win with this no talent squad, yet it is bascially the same team from last yr. and Hue was able to get it to 8-8 and in the hunt until the last 2 minutes of the season.

    So if we are so weak talent wise and DA gets a break for that, than Hue looks real good for what he did with this talentless team.

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    MAYBE THATS THE ANSWER,LOCK EM OUT..

  • bcz24

    Some (not all) discredit Hue’s wins as being “lucky” or “could’ve gone either way” or how we lost 4 of the last 5 last yr. but then rationalize our 3-6 as not being that bad etc
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    I wasn’t trying to discredit our wins from last year, just showing the flip side of the coin when people say we were 1 play from the playoffs… we were also 1 or 2 plays from another 11 loss season last year.

    I don’t try to say DA is a good coach by saying Hue was a bad one. I use the same argument to defend DA that I used to defend Hue last year. You can’t judge a coach on a half a season.

    It took Kubiak 5 years to get Houston rolling, and now they are arguably the best team in football. Imagine if they just kept firing coaches over and over again like so many in here want to do. We have had more coaches in the last decade than Pittsburg has had in its existance. You have to give the guy a shot to really put his mark on the team. If in week 14 next year we still are melting down in the 3rd quarter and there is no sign of improvement then yeah I will be all over the fire DA train, but you will NEVER be a successful team if you switch coaches and schemes every single year.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Reggie’s mistakes:

    - Firing Hue instead of giving him 1 more year to finish what he started, if things didn’t work out, Reggie would have been able to say: “I gave him a shot, now I’m doing it my way” and everyone would support him, hell he would have bought himself an extra year with that move.

    - Trying to do too much, you can’t have a half-hearted rebuilding project and try to win at the same time while switching Offensive and Defensive schemes with a Rookie Head Coach and highly questionable staff of retreads and inexperienced coaches.

    Reggie should have decided to put everything into winning the division or making the playoffs or just let this season go.

    You know by unloading as much salary and veteran contracts as he could while taking the cap hits this year instead of reworking some deals that actually put money into next year’s cap and spending money on veterans like Brisiel, Barnes, Tollefson, Bartell etc. just go with undrafted free agents and bottom out.

    By trying to win while rebuilding and switching schemes we lost this season, 2013 is going to be what 2012 should have been if Reggie truly believes a full rebuilding project is needed.

    - Reggie put DA in a very bad position, players know the new regime is looking to replace most of them, how are they supposed to play for DA when they know they’re going to be elsewhere next year? I think a lot of guys, not all of them, after the season started badly just said: “might as well play it safe and not blow an ACL or something because I’ll be looking for a job next year”.

    That being said, I definitely believe in Reggie, I have to, but it’s not blind faith, he has a resume and seems to have the right idea, year 1 went bad but he’ll learn and get it right, I think.

  • bcz24

    Not as bad as he records set by Tampa Bay, or the record setting back to back losses the last 2 weeks…
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    Buffalo gave up 97 points in a 2 game span earlier this year. That isn’t a record.

  • DJ Johnny

    I wish some well regarded reporter/analyst would get an interview with DA one on one and ask him directly “what do u say to the people that say Hue Jackson, with all the turmoil with losing the teamsur owner and starting QB during the season, in addition to losing the best player at the time in McFadden, that Hue was a much better coach than you are… as you are sitting at 3-6, and Hue had this team in the hunt the whole way last season.

    How do you respond to those people?”

    Not that it’s all valid, but i’d like a guy to ask him that so that maybe it fires him up and he feels insulted and gets determined to do more to get this thing moving in the right direction.

    “ME worse than Hue Jackson? I’ll show them”.

  • nycraider

    the double standard in here is amazing

  • bcz24

    You know by unloading as much salary and veteran contracts as he could while taking the cap hits this year instead of reworking some deals that actually put money into next year’s cap and spending money on veterans like Brisiel, Barnes, Tollefson, Bartell etc. just go with undrafted free agents and bottom out.

    By trying to win while rebuilding and switching schemes we lost this season, 2013 is going to be what 2012 should have been if Reggie truly believes a full rebuilding project is needed.
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    2 things about that. 1. purging contracts costs money, they purged the contracts they could, and redid some contracts so that cutting them down the road wouldn’t have the cap ramifications they did this year 2. All of the free agent signings this year other than Brisiel have been 1 year deals, again to preserve the cap going forward. A guy like Wheeler will get himself an extension, where a guy like Spencer likely will not. Also Brisiels contract looked crazy at 20 mill, but there wasn’t a huge bonus to pay, so if we cut him prior to next year we are off the hook. Huff and Seymours redone contracts come to mind too, where Reggie eliminated the cap ramifications for cuts next year or going forward.

    Reggie has done a lot of smart business behind the scenes that he doesn’t get any credit for.

  • bcz24

    I wish some well regarded reporter/analyst would get an interview with DA one on one and ask him directly “what do u say to the people that say Hue Jackson, with all the turmoil with losing the teamsur owner and starting QB during the season, in addition to losing the best player at the time in McFadden, that Hue was a much better coach than you are… as you are sitting at 3-6, and Hue had this team in the hunt the whole way last season.
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    I bet you could get Mike Silver to do it.

    I also bet DA would never answer it.

  • DJ Johnny

    I know how DA would respond to challenges of him not being up to par with Hue Jackson:

    “I don’t worry about that, the only thing i’m concerned with is getting this team in a better position where we can do more of the things that will put us in a better position to be successful”

    Rinse…repeat to any question.

    I think DA’s pressers are getting so boring and cliche ridden that at some point he’ll come in to the press room and the Raider rep will say ‘Questions for the coach?’ and they’ll all look at each other and say “you know what…never mind”. Then they’ll all get up and leave.

  • nycraider

    Bcz24 Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 6:57 am
    You know by unloading as much salary and veteran contracts as he could while taking the cap hits this year instead of reworking some deals that actually put money into next year’s cap and spending money on veterans like Brisiel, Barnes, Tollefson, Bartell etc. just go with undrafted free agents and bottom out.

    By trying to win while rebuilding and switching schemes we lost this season, 2013 is going to be what 2012 should have been if Reggie truly believes a full rebuilding project is needed.
    *************************
    2 things about that. 1. purging contracts costs money, they purged the contracts they could, and redid some contracts so that cutting them down the road wouldn’t have the cap ramifications they did this year 2. All of the free agent signings this year other than Brisiel have been 1 year deals, again to preserve the cap going forward. A guy like Wheeler will get himself an extension, where a guy like Spencer likely will not. Also Brisiels contract looked crazy at 20 mill, but there wasn’t a huge bonus to pay, so if we cut him prior to next year we are off the hook. Huff and Seymours redone contracts come to mind too, where Reggie eliminated the cap ramifications for cuts next year or going forward.

    Reggie has done a lot of smart business behind the scenes that he doesn’t get any credit for.
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    good to see you finally admit signing spencer and bartel was a bust lol.dont we still have to pay most of brisels 3-4 million signing bonus that was prorated over his contract if hes cut? hmm..also you forgot the franchising of branch, which then led to a large contract which hurts us next year. maybe not as stellar as you promote.

  • Just Fire Baby

    .dont we still have to pay most of brisels 3-4 million signing bonus that was prorated over his contract if hes cut?

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    Signing bonus’ are paid at signing.

    It is just the spreading out of the salary cap ramificiations that gets accelerated if he gets cut.