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Saints coaches, players identifed Allen as head coach material early on

The year was 2006, when Dennis Allen was in his first year as an assitant coach for the New Orleans Saints. Allen didn’t have much NFL experience, yet he made an immediate impression upon fellow assistant coach Joe Vitt, now the Saints interim head coach during Sean Payton’s year-long suspension.
Vitt said he realized right away that Allen had what it takes to be an NFL head coach.
“There’s some people that have that ‘it’ factor,” Vitt said. “There’s some people, some coaches, not only are they extremely well versed at coaching their position but they have the people skills and game-day awareness and knowledge of the game that you just know that they’ve got that ‘it’ factor. And D.A. has always had that ‘it’ factor.
“So, when he left here and became the coordinator in Denver, we knew he was going to try. Dennis Allen has coached both ends of the ball now. He’s coached defensive line. He coached it here for one year in ’06, then he coached the secondary. He’s won a world championship, he’s succeeded as a coordinator. D.A.’s succeeded as a player at Texas A&M.”
And he’ll succeed in Oakland Vitt said, because Allen has succeeded at every stop during his football career.
“The only reason that D.A. was hired to be the coach at the Raiders is they wanted to go in a different direction and improve their football team,” Vitt said, “and as anyone knows, you’re going to go through tough times your rookie season as a head coach.
“That head coach and Reggie McKenzie are going to get the right people in there to fit the scheme that they’re playing, and it’s going to take a little bit of time. But you talk about two highly qualified guys that have won big-time at this level and know what they’re doing, that’s a great combination.”
Vitt was just getting started. He said fans need to be patient with Allen. His time is coming, even if it’s not in his first season with the Raiders.
“D.A. has been through tough times before,” Vitt said. “Let me tell you something about D.A. There’s not a more qualified guy to be coaching that team than Dennis Allen right now. … Dennis Allen is smart, Dennis Allen has great people skills. Dennis Allen knows how to teach, motivate and inspire.”
Then, perhaps in a slight toward the man Allen replaced, Hue Jackson, Vitt said Allen has the proper demeanor to persevere through tough times, whereas Jackson lashed out during his postgame news conference after the regular-season finale last year.
“Dennis Allen’s not going to go off the cuff and off the reservation by saying or doing dumb things,” Vitt said. “He’s going to have his football team focused and he’s going to have to get better. … So, D.A. is going to stay the course. He’s going to get people healthy, circle the wagons, and we’re going to get the Raiders best game of the year. We are well versed in that.”
When asked Thursday about his coaching aspirations, Allen seemed more intent upon looking forward, as is his wont.
He didn’t feel compelled to say things such as he always has wanted to be a head coach in the NFL or that this is the job he dreamed of from a young age. He’s all about the now.
“I never really thought about it that much; I really didn’t,” Allen said. “I was fortunate to be in a situation where I got this opportunity, and I’m thankful for that. I don’t really think about how I got here, I think about how I’m going to continue to work to get this team better.”
Raiders free safety Matt Giordano played for Allen with the Saints for one season, when Allen was the defensive backs coach. He, too, recognized that Allen was headed for bigger and better things before long.
“When I was there in New Orleans, I just looked at him as my position coach, but everyone knew he was fully capable of being a defensive coordinator or possibly a head coach,” Giordano said. “He understood the defense there so well. I was thankful to have him that one year as my position coach.”

– Allen said running back Darren McFadden took his injured right ankle for a test run Thursday, with trainers monitoring his every step.
McFadden hasn’t practiced or played in a game since he suffered a high-ankle sprain against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Nov. 4. He has missed five straight practices.
“McFadden was out today and ran around on the side with the trainers, which was, obviously, a good sign,” Allen said. “I don’t know whether or not either (McFadden or fellow running back Mike Goodson) will be able to play this weekend or not. But that’s a good sign that he was out here able to move around. These guys are working extremely hard to get back out here.”
McFadden was spotted at the team’s facility rehabbing his ankle at 6 a.m. today, another encouraging sign. Still, it’s a stretch to envision McFadden playing Sunday against the Saints.
Goodson has not been able to give it a go with his high-ankle sprain, Allen said. Same goes for injured defensive tackle Richard Seymour (knee, hamstring).

– It seems as if every coach or player has some sort of recollection of their dealings with late Raiders managing general partner Al Davis over the years.
Vitt laughed when asked about the first time he met Davis.
“You really want to know?” Vitt said, while laughing, in a conference call.
Sure, coach, fill us in.
“The year was 1981,” Vitt said. “I was in the league for three years, my first year was 1979 I was the strength coach and quality control guy for the Baltimore Colts under Ted Marchibroda. After three years there, we were fired, and after three years, I was 26 years old.
And I want to say the (scouting) combine workout that year was at the Pontiac Silverdome. Fired coaches, the club usually flies them to the combine workout or the Senior Bowl to try and help them secure another job. So there I am, I’m in the locker room, doing the player weigh-in, and there I spot Mr. Davis.
“So, I go up to him, I say, `Hey, coach, my name is Joe Vitt. I’m only 26 years old but I’ve been in the league three years. I was the strength coach, I was the quality control coach, I gave out the tickets on the plane.’ I told him all the wonderful accomplishments I had over my three-year-period with the Baltimore Colts.
“He looked me in the eye and said, `Son, when I was 26 years old I was the commissioner of the AFL.’ I crawled out of the lockerroom. And he never forgot that, and I never forgot that. I’ve always enjoyed my time and my conversations with them since then.”
Great stuff.

– Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp reiterated what Allen has said, that second-year running back Taiwan Jones still has to earn the trust of the coaches before he gets more action in games.
The issues that remain, Knapp said, are Jones’ ball security and blocking assignments. Once Jones gets those down in practice, he will get more of an opportunity to show what he can do in games.
“I’ve got to see ‘em in practice first, consistently,” Knapp said. “And I haven’t seen it consistently in practice, and that’s what we look for, is perfection in practice.”
Knapp said he and Allen can tell whether Jones is ready by watching him in practice, there isn’t the need to see him in a game to make that determination. Jones still isn’t hanging on to the ball as well as the coaches would like.
“Sometimes it’s handoffs and sometimes it’s been on contact,” Knapp said of Jones’ struggles.

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch missed practice for the second straight day today. If he can’t play Sunday, Allen said Mike Mitchell will make his first start this season.
“If he’s able to practice tomorrow, then I’d anticipate he’d be able to play,” Allen said of Branch. “I would have some real concern if he’s not able to practice tomorrow.”
Allen is high on Mitchell because of his passion, desire and ability. The key for Mitchell is playing under control.
“He’s a very passionate player, he works extremely hard, he loves the game,” Allen said. “So, sometimes you just got to slow his heartbeat down a little bit and get him to calm down a little bit. I’ve been pleased with some of the things that I’ve seen Mike do. It’s important to him, and that’s what I like about him.”
Defensive coordinator Jason Tarver echoed that sentiment, saying Mitchell just needs to harness his energy and play within himself.
“I’m more than capable of starting in this league and being a very good football player,” Mitchell said. “I just got to slow my heartbeat down and go play good football. I’m really looking forward to this opportunity. I feel like coach saying that says a lot. It gives me an opportunity to go out there and earn their confidence, earn their trust and just go make plays.”
There won’t be much margin for error Sunday, with Saints tight end Jimmy Graham adept at working over the best of defensive backs.

– If Allen is bothered by the growing discontent of the fan base, he isn’t letting on.
“Hey, listen, I understand that that’s part of the business,” Allen said. “My focus is on doing whatever I can to make this team better. That’s all I can focus on.”
With that said, Allen said that he doesn’t encounter any hostility from fans.
“No. Listen, you can’t please everybody, and I understand that and I know that,” Allen said. “You have to try to do everything you can to give this team a chance to win. That’s the sole purpose and sole thought process of what we’re trying to do.”

– The Raiders sold enough tickets in advance of the league-mandated deadline Thursday so that they can televise Sunday’s game locally.
This marks the fifth straight regular-season home game that will be televised this season and 13th straight, dating back to the start of last season.

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  • Plunketthead

    Some semis think the team would be better with Hue and some disagree. That’s no big deal.

    Bottom line = The only way to get Hue back is with a billboard. If that does not work I suggest they build a statue so future generations will remember what might have been

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Mark and Reggie didn’t like Hue Jackson. You can’t have a head coach who the owner and GM don’t want. End of story.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    If Dennis Allen was fired, Hue Jackson is the last guy I would want back as head coach. I would rather have Norv back.

  • nycraider

    just my opinion , but i feel firing hue was marks decision and reggie executed it. I was surprised because Reggie and Hue had the same agent at the time. I hope Hue has fired his agent since

  • DJ Johnny

    I want a reporter to say to DA..’Coach, please tell us something other than… “the only thing i’m concerned with is getting this team in a better position where we can do more of the things that will put us in a better position to be successful”. Can u do that for us today?’

    DA would just give that wide eyed stare for like 2 minutes without saying anything and then his head would explode.

    “Clean up on the stage please”

  • Just Fire Baby

    Mark seems to be willing to defer anything and everything to Reggie, so if The Reggie REALLY wanted to keep Hue and fought for it, I am sure it would have happened.

  • bcz24

    good to see you finally admit signing spencer and bartel was a bust lol.dont we still have to pay most of brisels 3-4 million signing bonus that was prorated over his contract if hes cut? hmm..also you forgot the franchising of branch, which then led to a large contract which hurts us next year. maybe not as stellar as you promote.
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    I don’t thing signing Bartell or Spencer was a bust. Who else was he going to get to play CB in that price range. Stanford Routt got 6 million from KC, I mean he is a mediocre CB at best.

    Cutting Brisiel next year will save us almost 3 mil in cap space, as his number is over 5 mill to keep vs 2.7 mill to cut. Brisiel was also a VERY highly graded lineman last year, so I wouldn’t fault any GM for making that move.

    Branch’s long term contract didn’t include a huge signing bonus, it will cost us 4.2 mil to cut him. Not ideal, but hardly the worst contract we have ever seen around here. While I don’t think Branch is playing his best ball right now, I still think he is a better player than he gets credit for. He takes a lot of flack for blown coverages that weren’t his responsibility, and he was only in the area because he hustled to the ball. I would have rather kept Branch on the tag though and gave him a deal next year based on this years play.

  • VanHeathen30

    Not as bad as he records set by Tampa Bay, or the record setting back to back losses the last 2 weeks…
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    Buffalo gave up 97 points in a 2 game span earlier this year. That isn’t a record
    ==========================
    it is for the Raiders…and it sucks

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    By the way, DA and his staff didn’t help themselves by always blaming the players, all we heard from them was how the execution failed, as if getting players to execute isn’t a part of coaching.

    Look around, in every NFL game you see players screwing up routes and coverages, dropping passes, fumbling, etc…that’s a part of the game and Coaches have to take the blame too if they can’t overcome those factors.

    But week 1 after the long-snapping fiasco DA tried to save face by saying Condo did get reps in practice and then comes Lechler and says Condo didn’t, Knapp happily let Palmer take the blame for the Atl loss: “he’s right, I’m glad he aceepts it”, even if he was, you don’t go out and say it.

    Another mistake from the organization was signing Marquette King to the Practice Squad, the message was loud and clear, Lechler won’t be back next year, we already have a guy to take his job for cheap, Lechler is a team leader and an All-Pro and he got no respect, what could the rest of the players expect?.

    You might think the King-Lechler stuff is irrelevant, but it isn’t, it’s always the little things that matter when trying to win.

    And once again, if we had gone full rebuild then I would have had no problem with the Lechler situation, hell they should have released him and gotten King some experience, but we tried to win with these players while at the same time sending out a clear message that most would not be back next year, how was that supposed to work?.

  • nycraider

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:08 am
    If Dennis Allen was fired, Hue Jackson is the last guy I would want back as head coach. I would rather have Norv back.
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    wow , you must really hate hue, cause Norv is so bad its sickening. I will be sad the day the chargers let him go because that is the day the chargers have a chance. its funny because Norv has certainly had many years to implement his system, work with his gm and yet has never generated results

  • Dakota

    Offensive coordinator Greg Knapp reiterated what Allen has said, that second-year running back Taiwan Jones still has to earn the trust of the coaches before he gets more action in games.
    +++++++++++

    Too bad coordinators don’t have to earn something before they go out and throw their garbage on the field.

  • bcz24

    It is funny how much flack coaches get for their interviews… Hue got blasted week in and week out about his interviews last year, now the guy is treated like we fired Lombardi.

    The fact that the league mandates the coaches do a presser every day is just stupid. Of course they sound like a broken record. They get asked the same questions day in and day out.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Nycraider Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:14 am
    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:08 am
    If Dennis Allen was fired, Hue Jackson is the last guy I would want back as head coach. I would rather have Norv back.
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    wow , you must really hate hue, cause Norv is so bad its sickening. I will be sad the day the chargers let him go because that is the day the chargers have a chance. its funny because Norv has certainly had many years to implement his system, work with his gm and yet has never generated results
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    Norv wouldn’t be my first choice, obviously, but he does have a 53-36 record in San Diego.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Hue will forever be on my sh*t list for the Palmer trade.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Taiwan better do something with his touches on Sunday.

    If Stewart looks OK, I can see Taiwan being waived when Goodson or D-Mac are healthy enough to play.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Bcz24.

    “Huff and Seymours redone contracts come to mind too, where Reggie eliminated the cap ramifications for cuts next year or going forward.”

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    Seymour’s deal was going to end after this year, we didn’t have to pay him a dime in 2013, now we do because we extended his contract…please correct me if I’m wrong.

    And signing all those veterans like Brisiel, Bartell, Barnes, Tollefson, Spencer, etc…they may be 1 year deals, but if we were going to rebuld….shouldn’t we have saved that cap money to create more room in this year’s cap and release more players?….not sure I’m making my point clear.

  • Gdog

    bcz24 Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 6:47 am

    It took Kubiak 5 years to get Houston rolling, and now they are arguably the best team in football. Imagine if they just kept firing coaches over and over again like so many in here want to do. We have had more coaches in the last decade than Pittsburg has had in its existance. You have to give the guy a shot to really put his mark on the team. If in week 14 next year we still are melting down in the 3rd quarter and there is no sign of improvement then yeah I will be all over the fire DA train, but you will NEVER be a successful team if you switch coaches and schemes every single year.

    >>>>>>

    I agree totally with this. Although I have not seen a single thing besides the penalty issue (which seems to be rearing its ugly head again) that makes me think this was the right hire SO FAR… this could still turn out to be a great hire. Even if the team sucks next year, McK has to stick to his guns and give DA a third year.

    I AM hoping McK clears out Knapp and Hoffman after this year (something I don’t see DA doing) but the HC needs three years from here on out. The coaching carousel ends now.

  • Dakota

    664.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:19 am
    Hue will forever be on my sh*t list for the Palmer trade.
    ++++++++++++++++++

    Why? We acquired the best QB we have had since Gannon, and probably one of the top 4 in our franchises history for a mid first rounder and a second rounder.

  • bcz24

    Seymour’s deal was going to end after this year, we didn’t have to pay him a dime in 2013, now we do because we extended his contract…please correct me if I’m wrong.

    And signing all those veterans like Brisiel, Bartell, Barnes, Tollefson, Spencer, etc…they may be 1 year deals, but if we were going to rebuld….shouldn’t we have saved that cap money to create more room in this year’s cap and release more players?….not sure I’m making my point clear.
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    We could fit Seymours 15 mil into the cap this year, we HAD to do a new deal, and the cap hit to just cut him was also to prohibitive to do so.

    Most of those guys you mentioned are making a mil or less for the year. Brisiel is even only a cap number of like 2 mil this year, same with Bartell. He DID pretty much exactly what you are saying really.

  • bcz24

    Sorry Brisiel’s cap # this year is only 1.3 mill

  • Gdog

    Seymour’s deal was going to end after this year, we didn’t have to pay him a dime in 2013, now we do because we extended his contract…please correct me if I’m wrong.
    >>>>

    Seymour restructured which means you are correct.

    It was a head-scratcher to keep Seymour in the first place, but restructuring made it even worse.

    That’s what Al did leading up to the SB… restructured all the veteran contracts and got stuck paying players no longer on the team.

    shrug?

  • Gdog

    We could fit Seymours 15 mil into the cap this year, we HAD to do a new deal, and the cap hit to just cut him was also to prohibitive to do so.
    >>>>>

    This is true, but wouldn’t it have been better to just cut bait then and start over?

    Especially now that the current staff doesn’t seem very interested in winning games?

  • nycraider

    Bcz24 Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:12 am
    good to see you finally admit signing spencer and bartel was a bust lol.dont we still have to pay most of brisels 3-4 million signing bonus that was prorated over his contract if hes cut? hmm..also you forgot the franchising of branch, which then led to a large contract which hurts us next year. maybe not as stellar as you promote.
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    I don’t thing signing Bartell or Spencer was a bust. Who else was he going to get to play CB in that price range. Stanford Routt got 6 million from KC, I mean he is a mediocre CB at best.

    Cutting Brisiel next year will save us almost 3 mil in cap space, as his number is over 5 mill to keep vs 2.7 mill to cut. Brisiel was also a VERY highly graded lineman last year, so I wouldn’t fault any GM for making that move.

    Branch’s long term contract didn’t include a huge signing bonus, it will cost us 4.2 mil to cut him. Not ideal, but hardly the worst contract we have ever seen around here. While I don’t think Branch is playing his best ball right now, I still think he is a better player than he gets credit for. He takes a lot of flack for blown coverages that weren’t his responsibility, and he was only in the area because he hustled to the ball. I would have rather kept Branch on the tag though and gave him a deal next year based on this years play.
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    bartel no int since 2008, signed for 3 mil and surprise surprise he got hurt. thats a bust. if we cut briesel we still have to pay 3-4 mil in the signing bonus hes owed. thats a bust. there were many players availble in FA to help us in the secondary. reggie got the wrong ones. danieal manning signed for 20 mill for 4 years, he would have been a major upgrade . I get the Reggie supporters have all the excuses for 2012 and i agree he deserves another year. but in 2013 no excuses

  • GreatWhiteRaider

    For the forseeable future, I’m in Reggie’s corner. I think he will do a great job long term and I’m glad the Raiders hired him. The only head scratcher so far is the handling of the offense? Why on earth would you make life harder on yourself by messing with something that didn’t need changing? He’s never been a GM before, has a HC who has never been one before, no draft picks really, cap issues, no consistency in personnel for the last decade, and you decide to bring in a current QB Coach who already failed as an OC here!? Even worse, the playbook that accentuates the skills of your two best (and expensive) players; McFadden and Palmer, gets thrown out the window? Reggie and DA would have been better off letting Al Saunders run the offense and if at the end of the year Palmer was an interception machine and McFadden is injured all the time, they’d have every right to say, “we’re going in a new direction.” Instead, DA hasn’t delivered on his defensive changes and he now has to answer about an unproductive and quite frankly unwatchable offense, and the latter he’s brought down all on himself. I have to go to youtube sometimes to watch McFadden’s game against JAX a few years ago to keep from getting sick watching him run for 1 yard and then tripping on a blocker this year. It’s tragic.

  • bcz24

    Seymours restructured deal took his cap # from 15 mil to 2.2 mill, AND only included a 6 mill bonus. If we cut him next year it will cost us 5 mil, versus the 15 mil that was fully guaranteed this year before the restructure.

  • Just Fire Baby

    if we cut briesel we still have to pay 3-4 mil in the signing bonus hes owed.

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    It’s already paid bro, whether we cut him today or in 2014.

  • nycraider

    Bcz24 Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:25 am
    Sorry Brisiel’s cap # this year is only 1.3 mill
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    what about next 4 years..what about the 3million plus signing bonus still owed if hes cut

  • Dakota

    GreatWhiteRaider Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:28 am
    For the forseeable future, I’m in Reggie’s corner.
    +++++++++++++++++

    I’ll give Reggie another two-three years. DA gets one more year from me. He has not been impressive.

    However, they both get the boot if they stick with Greg Knapp after this season. Then they just become idiots who can’t admit a mistake in my view.

  • nycraider

    here’s brisel contact according to sportec..looks to me the signing bonus yet to count on future years is about 2.7 million..even if we cut him

    BASE SALARY S. BONUS MISC. BONUS CAP HIT
    2012 700,000 680,000 - 1,380,000
    2013 4,350,000 680,000 - 5,030,000
    2014 3,850,000 680,000 - 4,530,000
    2015 3,850,000 680,000 - 4,530,000
    2016 3,850,000 680,000 - 4,530,000
    2017

  • Gdog

    bcz24 Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:29 am

    Seymours restructured deal took his cap # from 15 mil to 2.2 mill, AND only included a 6 mill bonus. If we cut him next year it will cost us 5 mil, versus the 15 mil that was fully guaranteed this year before the restructure.
    >>>>>

    So he restructured for LESS money? Otherwise all restructuring does is kick the can down the road. The old CBA didn’t allow pay cuts… maybe the new one does?

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Bcz24.

    I agree he did some of what I said, I just think he could have done even more if he had made up his mind to bottom out this year instead of trying to rebuild and win at the same time, I would have been fine either way, put everything into making them a playoff team now or just start over entirely and pay the price this year, but trying to pull off both was not going to work out and he should have known.

    Nice talking to you fellas, don’t let the Nation get divided, we all just wanna win and have to trust Reggie to deliver.

  • GreatWhiteRaider

    678 I’ll give Reggie another two-three years. DA gets one more year from me. He has not been impressive.

    However, they both get the boot if they stick with Greg Knapp after this season. Then they just become idiots who can’t admit a mistake in my view.
    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Totally, especially Reggie, he had nothing to work with this off season. As for DA, I’m not feeling it. Like, not to live in the past, but when Chucky got hired, he was a first time HC, but you sense change, he had command of things, he was a presence. DA, don’t see any of that. But yeah, Cable took away Knapp’s play calling duties. Think about the gravity of that for a second…..and he got hired back? Yikes.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    I agree with Dakota as well.

    Later.

  • Just Fire Baby

    looks to me the signing bonus yet to count on future years is about 2.7 million..even if we cut him

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    ALL signing bonus are spread out over the life of the contract, cutting before the contract expires accelerates the cap hit.

    But you keep saying “pay” the bonus. It’s already paid. ALL OF IT.

  • nycraider

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:39 am
    looks to me the signing bonus yet to count on future years is about 2.7 million..even if we cut him

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    ALL signing bonus are spread out over the life of the contract, cutting before the contract expires accelerates the cap hit.

    But you keep saying “pay” the bonus. It’s already paid. ALL OF IT.

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    understood, im more concerned about the cap hit then the actual payment.

  • bcz24

    So he restructured for LESS money? Otherwise all restructuring does is kick the can down the road. The old CBA didn’t allow pay cuts… maybe the new one does?
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    I misspoke… we didn’t restructure Seymour, you can’t restructure a deal in the final year. The term restructuring means to convert salary into bonus money so you can prorate it over the remaining years of the deal, in that situation you are correct, per league rules a pay cut is not allowed. What we did was give Seymour a new contract, which of course you can give someone less money on a new contract.

  • Gdog

    bcz24 Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:29 am

    Seymours restructured deal took his cap # from 15 mil to 2.2 mill, AND only included a 6 mill bonus. If we cut him next year it will cost us 5 mil, versus the 15 mil that was fully guaranteed this year before the restructure.
    >>>>>

    This is completely incorrect.

    Seymours cap hit next year is 16 mill. All we did was kick the can down the road. Maybe we have more cap room next year to absorb the hit… or they thought they had a SB team with Seymour. Otherwise keeping him made no sense. Especially as I said, the coaching staff seems more interested in building for the future than winning any games this year. I really don’t think DA cares one way or another if he wins now… and I have been saying this since the beginning of the season. He’s playing for draft picks. Why else bury your fastest RB on the bench and play a PS player? Or change the offense completely to make it unsuitable for McF?

  • Dakota

    Top 5 QBs in Raider History:

    Stabler
    Plunkett
    Lamonica
    Gannon
    Palmer

    Why does one of the tope 5 QBs in our franchises’ history get so much grief from our fans? It is not Palmer’s fault he has to try and make chicken salad out of chicken sh1t every weekend.

  • Just Fire Baby

    But I will agree that Briesel stinks.

    I thought it was a good signing, on reputation alone (don’t really cut up the game film of guard play for the Texans).

    But it took about 5 series for me to start questioning it. He was abysmal in the AZ preseason game, and hasn’t gotten any better since.

  • Gdog

    bcz24 Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:43 am

    So he restructured for LESS money? Otherwise all restructuring does is kick the can down the road. The old CBA didn’t allow pay cuts… maybe the new one does?
    ****************
    I misspoke…
    >>>>>

    Fair enough…

  • Just Fire Baby

    Why else bury your fastest RB on the bench and play a PS player?

    ****************************

    Simple.

    The PS guy is a better football player.

  • nycraider

    BASE SALARY S. BONUS MISC. BONUS CAP HIT
    2012 925,000 1,315,000 - 2,240,000
    2013 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
    2014 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
    2015 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
    2016 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
    2017
    here is seymours new contract ..guessing the misc bonus is a roster type of bonus which doesnt hurt us capwise if hes cut,.

  • hwnrdr

    That stepping on Palmer’s foot put an end to it for me!

  • raidermarty

    Nice list Dakota. I would put the Snake at the top of just about any list involving RAIDER QB’s

  • Dakota

    692.nycraider Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:48 am
    BASE SALARY S. BONUS MISC. BONUS CAP HIT
    2012 925,000 1,315,000 – 2,240,000
    2013 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
    2014 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
    2015 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
    2016 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
    2017
    here is seymours new contract ..guessing the misc bonus is a roster type of bonus which doesnt hurt us capwise if hes cut,.

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    Oh man, I hope the majority of that is not guaranteed lol.

  • Gdog

    Now I misspoke… Seymours cap hit would be more like 10 mill next year… 16 if we keep him.

  • nycraider

    never thought anyone could play worse than willie smith but briesel made me forget about how bad willie is for about 3 hours last sunday

  • bcz24

    Seymours cap hit next year is 16 mill. All we did was kick the can down the road. Maybe we have more cap room next year to absorb the hit…
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    NYC hit it on the head. Seymour has giant salaries and roster bonuses which aren’t guaranteed in the way in signing bonus is.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Dakota Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:23 am
    664.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 16th, 2012 at 7:19 am
    Hue will forever be on my sh*t list for the Palmer trade.
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    Why? We acquired the best QB we have had since Gannon, and probably one of the top 4 in our franchises history for a mid first rounder and a second rounder.
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    I like Palmer. But, he sacrificed the future for an aging QB who hadn’t played for a year just so he could get into the playoffs and go nowhere. It was a stupid trade. He was fleeced by the Bengals. And, it was his and Al’s fault the Raiders were in that situation since they went with Boller as a backup QB.

  • Gdog

    Now wait… the “bonus misc” is probably the restructuring of the guaranteed money, so if we cut him next year that all accelerates. That’s 5.2 mill. Maybe that is all it would cost if he retires…