2013 closer than you might think
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, November 18th, 2012 at 7:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.
There still are 43 days between now and the end of the calendar year. However, it’s getting closer and closer to 2013 for the Raiders on the heels of a third straight loss Sunday.
The Raiders 38-17 loss to the New Orleans Saints, combined with yet another Denver Broncos victory, leaves the Raiders four games behind in the AFC West and with faint hopes of turning around their fortunes.
“Right now, we’re shooting for 9-7,” Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer said. “You have got to win all the games left and see kind of where the chips fall at the end of the year. The AFC is still pretty wide open, for the most part.
“We need some things to bounce our way but we believe if we look at the schedule, we know some of those teams we’ve already played, but we’re going to come in and try to work and try to find a way to get to 9-7 and see what happens.”
Not sure about the AFC West being so wide open.
The Broncos play the 1-9 Kansas City Chiefs next Sunday, while the Raiders travel to Cincinnati for a game against the suddenly red-hot Bengals. A Broncos win that day, coupled with a Raiders loss, would just about rule out the division title for a 10th straight season.
So, what does it all mean? Well, coach Dennis Allen isn’t about to call this a rebuilding season, that much we know.
“No, I’m not into rebuilding years,” Allen said. “What we’ve got to do is we’ve got to continue to develop. We’ve got to continue to go to work and keep trying to get better every that. That’s all I know how to do.”
And don’t even mention the rebuild word to fullback Marcel Reece.
“Rebuild? There’s no such thing as a rebuild year,” Reece said. “This is a business. If you rebuild it, you get out. We’re going out there trying to win. We’re shooting to win out the rest of the season; that’s the bottom line.”
Try though they may, things just keep getting worse for the Raiders. They moved to 3-4 after back-to-back victories over the Jacksonville Jaguars and Chiefs in October.
Ever since, it’s been all downhill, what fullback Owen Schmitt calls a “snowball effect.” The Raiders lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 42-32, the Baltimore Ravens 55-20 and the Saints 38-17. That’s an average of 45 points allowed for those of you not mathematically inclined.
And that’s not exactly something that inspires confidence, especially in the most died-in-the-wool Raiders fans. Yet, this is the hand the Raiders are playing with for the final six weeks.
“It’s really the whole thing that we’ve got to get better at,” Allen said, when asked if there was a specific area that needs to be addressed.
Hard to argue there.
– Once again, a quick glance at the stat sheet would suggest that the Raiders played a much better game than they did.
The Raiders outgained the Saints 404-382, controlled the ball for 31 minutes, 24 seconds, converted a higher percentage of third-down plays into first downs and committed only four penalties to the Saints 11.
Yet, this game wasn’t anywhere near as close as the stats might indicate.
The Saints scored a touchdown on their first possession and upped the lead to 14-0 when free safety Malcolm Jenkins intercepted a Palmer pass for tight end Brandon Myers and returned it 55 yards for a touchdown.
Sure, the Raiders cut the lead to 14-7, but the Saints responded with a 90-yard drive that culminated with a 38-yard touchdown pass from Drew Brees to wide receiver Lance Moore on a third-and-13 play with 48 seconds left in the first half.
The Saints iced the game before the Raiders got a chance to respond — Oakland’s final drive of the first half doesn’t really count. The Saints returned the second-half kick 75 yards and then running back Mark Ingram rambled 27 yards on the first play from scrimmage for a 28-7 lead.
– Palmer passed for more than 300 yards once again. In fact, he has accomplished that feat five times this season.
However, the Raiders are 0-5 in those games. He also was sacked three times and intercepted twice. Not one of his better games, for sure.
“You’ve just got to continue to work,” Palmer said. “In a new offense, a first-year offense, this late in the season, we need to be making better strides than we were today. We had improved as we came into this game and wanted to take another step forward. We did some good things, but it was kind of a lateral step.”
– Myers entered this season without any touchdowns in his first three NFL seasons. He scored his third Sunday.
As was the case with many of the Raiders, Myers had reason not to be overly thrilled. He had a pass from Palmer in the end zone hit off his hands and bounce into the hands of strong safety Roman Harper.
Overall, Myers caught six passes for 55 yards and continued to add to his career-best figures in receptions and yards.
– The Raiders hit Brees a couple of times. However, Brees spent most of the day moving around in the pocket without much pressure, waiting for receivers to get open.
Sure enough, Brees found open receivers more times than not. He completed 20 of 27 passes for 219 yards and three touchdowns, with no interceptions and a 134.6 passer rating.
He improved to 7-0 in his past seven games against the Raiders, with 16 touchdowns, no interceptions and a passer rating north of 120.
“I’m all about efficiency,” Brees said. “The yards don’t matter, the number of completions doesn’t matter. I want to be efficient. I wnat to be a good decision-maker. I want to just make plays when I’m called upon to do that and take care of the football. Just do all of those little things.”
More times than not, that’s what Brees did, especially on crucial downs.
His first touchdown pass came on a great play-action fake that fooled rookie linebacker Miles Burris — Allen called it a rookie mistake — and ended with the ball in tight end Jimmy Graham’s hands in the end zone. No one was within two time zones of Graham.
Brees hit Moore on the post patter just before halftime, with cornerback Michael Huff and strong safety Mike Mitchell late getting there to make a play on the ball.
Brees’ final touchdown came on a well-thrown pass to Moore from 15 yards, with cornerback Ron Bartell a step or two late catching up to Moore after Moore got behind him.
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November 18th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
What about our offense? Did it regress?
LOL
Stop it dude.
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It has a smidge points wise.
Hue got 2 years with the offense, I will give Knapp AT LEAST 1.5 years.
Fair is fair.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
#2
November 18th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
You posted a lot of BS defending this team/ staff/ and GM when WE said this team Regressed.
Stop it!
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Just Fire Baby Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
What about our offense? Did it regress?
LOL
Stop it dude.
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It has a smidge points wise.
Hue got 2 years with the offense, I will give Knapp AT LEAST 1.5 years.
Fair is fair.
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You are doing it again, and I don’t understand it.
Comparing this team points/ game to our team last year without our starting QB and RB is not FAIR!
November 18th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Knapp has already got over 2 years with this offense
November 18th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
No mention of the fact that this ALL started by our Head Coach giving our TEAM a DAY OFF after a 2 wins against teams with a combined 2-18 record!
This is the start of the snowball that Owen Schmitt is referring to…
November 18th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Comparing this team points/ game to our team last year without our starting QB and RB is not FAIR!
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You don’t get to make excuses when you decide it works.
No excuses for this years or last years team, just facts.
We are scoring a point or so less a game, and not running the ball well enough. We are passing the ball better and having less penalties kill drives.
It needs to get better.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Lakers dump Brown, now they got nearly 70 points at halftime…Gee those D’Antoni adjustments aren’t working.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Bammm, Bartell toasted, Burris toasted…
November 18th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
You posted a lot of BS defending this team/ staff/ and GM when WE said this team Regressed.
Stop it!
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I posted a lot of stuff PRIOR to the last 3 games.
New evidence, new opinion.
Tarver should be the first to go, and should go tomorrow and everyone else is on notice as well.
Kudo’s for predicting a greater demise than me.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Facts?!
Dude!! Our best player and starting QB were Injuted, and our offense (points/ game) regressed after we lost them.
That’s a Fact!
You People can’t tell the difference between facts and excuses.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
New evidence? Wtf you been watching?
November 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Injuries every year dude, to every team.
Barnes to Willie Smith is a bigger falloff than McFadden to Bush.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
And who sat smith?
November 18th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Facts:
1- OUR OL WAS BETTER LAST YEAR.
2- OUR STAR RB REGRESSED UNDER KNAPP.
3- WE HAVE A BETTER QB THIS SEASON, AND WE ARE SCORING LESS POINTS.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
ChrisinNC Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Mark, save your rhetoric. I really hope the fans have gotten message on this garbage team and hit you where it hurts: your wallet.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
And def coach has the raiders def in last place….
November 18th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
I ain’t trying to argue with anyone, in fact I am admitting I am wrong.
But YOU PEOPLE are too big of biased pinheads to realize it.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
2013 huh ?
Oh yeah.
Can’t wait to see what Krapp comes up with.
If Krapp is coming back in 2013, I’m praying the Mayan’s got this end of the world thing right.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Well at least you can admit it now if only quack and mctroll20 could…..
November 18th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Injuries every year dude, to every team.
Barnes to Willie Smith is a bigger falloff than McFadden to Bush.
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Injuries are part of the game, but losing DMAC and JC had s bigger impact than losing our RT.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Super glad I spent time with the family this Sunday.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Congrats guys, the RAiders suck and you were right!!! Yipppeee!!!!
Do you need a cigarette? Open a window?
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
POP QUIZ: 32.2 … what does it signify?
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Harbaugh changed S.F in one season, same players, ALL COACHING
Gruden took the Bucs who cold never win a playoff game to champs in one season, ALL COACHING
Peyton took an inept saints tan to Super Bowl champs in just a fewseasons, ALL COACHING
Jimmy Johnson 1-15 to 2 super bowls, and players admit they should have won 2 more but didnt after he left, ALL COACHING
Patriots were the joke of the NFL before Parcells got there, went to a super bowl. Pete carrol.sent them backwards, Bellicek shows up, need i say more, ALL COACHING
Tom Caughlin took a.talented but underachieving team when he got there to TWO S.B. wins. ALL COACHINGCOACHING
Bill Walsh…… Niners.were.garbage before he got there, ALL COACHING.
Cower had slash, and pick city odonnel as.QB, was still good for so many years, ALL COACHING
The exception to the rule is Ray Lewis, but he might as well be a coach cause Billick wasnt.that good.All these coaches coached hard, preached discipline and would get the very best out of their players. So no, lets no trade Dmac, Palmer or anybody that is good, lets get the right coach.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
I ain’t trying to argue with anyone, in fact I am admitting I am wrong.
But YOU PEOPLE are too big of biased pinheads to realize it.
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LOL
Chico!!
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Barnes to Willie Smith never should’ve happened…Barksdale should be in there.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
This is a pretty sad story. Ray Guy is auctioning off his Super Bowl rings. Mark Davis should buy them and give them back.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/baseball-oakland-athletics/athletics-talk/three-raiders-super-bowl-rings-up-for-au?blockID=802957&feedID=10267
November 18th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Congrats guys, the RAiders suck and you were right!!! Yipppeee!!!!
Do you need a cigarette? Open a window?
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No just a new HC this off-season.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Yup, everyone saw it coming….except job, quack and mctroll20….
November 18th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
*jfb
November 18th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Harbaugh changed S.F in one season, same players, ALL COACHING
Gruden took the Bucs who cold never win a playoff game to champs in one season, ALL COACHING
Peyton took an inept saints tan to Super Bowl champs in just a fewseasons, ALL COACHING
Jimmy Johnson 1-15 to 2 super bowls, and players admit they should have won 2 more but didnt after he left, ALL COACHING
Patriots were the joke of the NFL before Parcells got there, went to a super bowl. Pete carrol.sent them backwards, Bellicek shows up, need i say more, ALL COACHING
Tom Caughlin took a.talented but underachieving team when he got there to TWO S.B. wins. ALL COACHINGCOACHING
Bill Walsh…… Niners.were.garbage before he got there, ALL COACHING.
Cower had slash, and pick city odonnel as.QB, was still good for so many years, ALL COACHING
The exception to the rule is Ray Lewis, but he might as well be a coach cause Billick wasnt.that good.All these coaches coached hard, preached discipline and would get the very best out of their players. So no, lets no trade Dmac, Palmer or anybody that is good, lets get the right coach.
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Excellent post.
November 18th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Wow, you think the Raiders fan base is distraught and fed up and then you see this:
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/man-obituary-claims-heartbreaking-disappointment-caused-kansas-city-180249330–nfl.html
November 18th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
“Facts:
1- OUR OL WAS BETTER LAST YEAR.
2- OUR STAR RB REGRESSED UNDER KNAPP.
3- WE HAVE A BETTER QB THIS SEASON, AND WE ARE SCORING LESS POINTS.”
Nice Post O
When Mark Davis talks about regression I hope he is seeing this.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Hilarious story Chris in NY!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
CVRaider speaks the truth! Coaching matters,
But doesnt execution also? Who’s responsible for execution?
November 18th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
An example of the importance of coaching is the Lakers before they got Phil. Although we had great players, it wasn’t until a real coach arrived that we were able to win a ring.
Could be the Jack talking! lol
November 18th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
if this isnt a rebuilding year then i hope we never have one. theres no doubt having a quality coach , quality Gm, are just as important as quality players. But you have to consider, how many of our players are in the top 50% at their position. Dmac?, Palmer, jano , lechler, reece..no one else.
Over the past 5-10 years how many of our ex players went out to be all pros or top 25% in their position( don’t say chaz because he caught a TD today). I think of charles woodsen and cleamons. i dont think mike mitchell , branch , or giordano would be all pros in NE. DHB, streater, probably if cut today may not be picked up by anyone.
Reggie needs to prove himself next year, no excuses. Yes DA does too, but IMO the first step is to replace these under performers. I just hope Reggie has the ability to do it well
November 18th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Execution does matter, but wouldn’t you agree that good coaches do things so well that execution happens. If you are coached right, you don’t have to think like Mike Mitchell that you have deep half, you just do it cause you were coached to. In the Military you don’t think twice, you rxecute because you were trained to. If execution mattered that much, S.F just decided to execute under Harbaugh? Or were they coached so well it is just expected?
November 18th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Who would have thought that we would miss Chuck Bresnahan? Really, I did not think our “defense” could get worse – oh, but it has. Did we give up this many points through 10 games last year? Isn’t DA suppose to be a defensive guru? This looks bad – very bad – on DA. I was there at the ATL game… they should be challenging opponents every week. Too many big plays for the other team – take your pick…
I keep watching these games to see who might be young, keeper players for the future, but I don’t think I see many. The coaches are unwrapping all of the toys either. Pryor should get some playing time – for experience, not that I think he will make us a winner overnight. Palmer is doing about as good as he can with the crap OL (scheme) this year and lack of running game. If they don’t trust Jones, cut ‘em. Bring up Chekwa from practice squad. The coaches need to get their heads out of their backsides and have a plan. Smack ‘em all in the face at half time. 3rd quarter sucks… that’s on all of the Oakland Imposters… Ten years of futility… can’t take much more!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Listen gentlemen, I think we all agree the roster has to be seriously revamped. We need better players. All across the board.
Reggie is definitely going to be here and we’ll see how he does on that front.
The question is do you feel comfortable that Tits, Krapp, Tarver and company can get the job done even with a better roster ?
Personally, I don’t.
At the very least, Krapp has got to go. (sorry JFB) Just can’t stand watching his offense. It’s like watching paint dry.
Krapp back in 2013 ?
I cringe at the thought.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Post #24 applause!!! That post was yes we can-ish.LOL Great post
November 18th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Knapp stays. It’s more important that we don’t hurt his feelings.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Criner needs to get more playing time.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
The Steelers might want to pick up Jamarcus Russel this week.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Criner and Ausberry!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Make the nation Happy, tits…get rid of Knappy or demote him. Fire the special Ed teams coach as well.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
mark davis will have to do something if things dont improve. he made a public statement that they have to fix it. if we lose to cincy I expect Palmer to mail it in. love him or hate him, Palmer’s been our best performer and if he’s embarassed in Cincy where he feels his teamates dont have his back he will lose focus and it will get even uglier.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
CVRaider speaks the truth! Coaching matters,
But doesnt execution also? Who’s responsible for execution?
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Coaching is half about scheming/playcalling and half about extracting a high level of performance out of your players. Execution is on both players and coaches.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
The Raiders need some strong willed coaches. The head coach, offensive coordinator and the defensive coordinator have the same personality. They are clones of each other to easy going for this bunch of players.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
I think if Dennis Allen wasn’t just a meaningless-cliche robot in interviews I would have more respect for him.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
If JaMarcus Russell is finally serious about his career putting in the necessary time and work. I would take him back here in a heartbeat. One thing I know is when he was focused and putting forth effort at a few minicamps he was flatout awesome. In pratice when he wanted to he could light it up.
As far as talent goes there isn’t a more talented QB in the NFL. His problems weren’t talent related they were effort related based onn everyone I’ve ever talked to. He didn’t care enough to be great or he would’ve been in time.
I would take a look no problem to see if he has matured I always said he was very very immature. Maybe that has changed, but I would make sur eit’s not some money grab. Due to the bank acct getting low.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
funny how for years people thought penalties was our main issue. we fix that issue and cant stop anyone still.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Rookie owner + Rookie GM + Rookie HC + Rookie DC + Knapp = disaster!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Execution does matter, but wouldn’t you agree that good coaches do things so well that execution happens. If you are coached right, you don’t have to think like Mike Mitchell that you have deep half, you just do it cause you were coached to. In the Military you don’t think twice, you rxecute because you were trained to. If execution mattered that much, S.F just decided to execute under Harbaugh? Or were they coached so well it is just expected?
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This guy gets it, spot on post, Lefty take notice.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Priest, I going to pretend you didn’t just say that about Jamarcus.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Why is Hoffman, ST coordinator, still an employee of the Raiders?
What’s it going to take to get rid of Knapp?
Shouldn’t Marcel Reece be the #1 RB ahead of DMac?
Why can’t Raider receivers run accurate patterns and/or catch passes that hit them smack in the hands?
Why do Raider KOR just take a knee so we can start at the 20? I don’t believe more than a couple returns have ever gone beyond he 20.
How much longer do we have to put up with Frank Pollack, O-line coach?
ENQUIRING RAIDER MIND S NEED TO KNOW.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
“DON’T”
November 18th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Watch a bootleg run by Flacco here.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
November 18th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Harbaugh changed S.F in one season, same players, ALL COACHING
Gruden took the Bucs who cold never win a playoff game to champs in one season, ALL COACHING
Peyton took an inept saints tan to Super Bowl champs in just a fewseasons, ALL COACHING
Jimmy Johnson 1-15 to 2 super bowls, and players admit they should have won 2 more but didnt after he left, ALL COACHING
Patriots were the joke of the NFL before Parcells got there, went to a super bowl. Pete carrol.sent them backwards, Bellicek shows up, need i say more, ALL COACHING
Tom Caughlin took a.talented but underachieving team when he got there to TWO S.B. wins. ALL COACHINGCOACHING
Bill Walsh…… Niners.were.garbage before he got there, ALL COACHING.
Cower had slash, and pick city odonnel as.QB, was still good for so many years, ALL COACHING
The exception to the rule is Ray Lewis, but he might as well be a coach cause Billick wasnt.that good.All these coaches coached hard, preached discipline and would get the very best out of their players. So no, lets no trade Dmac, Palmer or anybody that is good, lets get the right coach.
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2 for 2
November 18th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Ignore my bulfrog ass,I’m pissed, too.:mrgreen:
:mrgreen:: 
November 18th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Never mind. Wouldn’t have expected Baltimore to go shotgun in that spot. Thought for sure it’d be a run.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
If JaMarcus Russell is finally serious about his career putting in the necessary time and work. I would take him back here in a heartbeat. One thing I know is when he was focused and putting forth effort at a few minicamps he was flatout awesome. In pratice when he wanted to he could light it up.
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Pass on Jabustus. No one wanted this kid (over AP and C Johnson) more than me, but he is done. I’m not Intetested in his services anymore. He can try another team. We have TP.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
PITTSBURG’S HISTORICAL BUMBLE BEE UNIFORMS ARE TRULY BUTT UGLY.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
If JaMarcus Russell is finally serious about his career putting in the necessary time and work. I would take him back here in a heartbeat. One thing I know is when he was focused and putting forth effort at a few minicamps he was flatout awesome. In pratice when he wanted to he could light it up.
As far as talent goes there isn’t a more talented QB in the NFL. His problems weren’t talent related they were effort related based onn everyone I’ve ever talked to. He didn’t care enough to be great or he would’ve been in time.
I would take a look no problem to see if he has matured I always said he was very very immature. Maybe that has changed, but I would make sur eit’s not some money grab. Due to the bank acct getting low.
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Priest, I going to pretend you didn’t just say that about Jamarcus===================================================
Cut Palmer and bring Jamarcus back.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Greg Knapp is the worst offensive co-ordinator I have seen in my 50 years of watching pro football.
Absolutely the worst….
November 18th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Bring Jamarcus back for free. That way he can repay all the money he stole from Al.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Jamarcaus, Jamarcus, Carson can’t hold his , Do I have to go on Priest? admit it , you,ve gone over the edge.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
November 18th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
LOL
November 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
with the right coach jamarcus would be an all pro..lol…
November 18th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
JB Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
PITTSBURG’S HISTORICAL BUMBLE BEE UNIFORMS ARE TRULY BUTT UGLY.
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I kind of like them.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
We are at the corner of Looney Bin and Insane. Right?
November 18th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Pass on Jabustus. No one wanted this kid (over AP and C Johnson)
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You wanted Jruss over Megatron? dam what were you smokin that day.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Looks like a bunch of prisoners escaped a bee hive.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
with the right coach jamarcus would be an all pro..lol…===
Who??????
November 18th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
He11, I’ll do it for less than 10%.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
November 18th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Priest, I can’t believe you are still riding with Jamarcus. Do you still think Vick is better than Elway too?
November 18th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
We are at the corner of Looney Bin and Insane. Right?
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LMAO
November 18th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
BHP still doesn’t understand that even if JaMoron is off the syrup, and gets into tip-top shape – he’s still too stupid to be an NFL QB.
He’s a borderline retard that can’t utter a comprehensible sentence.
Period.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
with the right coach jamarcus would be an all pro..lol…===
Who??????
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jamarcus is the perfect example of a player who no matter what coach is in charge would never fulfill his potential. just like many of the players on our current roster
November 18th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Sorry, 78. Priest is no longer among the living.
:mrgreen: 
November 18th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Look man I know how you guys feel but if this kid ever gets right there is no one like him. It’s just that simple I don’t expect you to understand because you’ve probably never seen him spin it when he’s right. And what he did here was despicable.
But you see Carson Palmer now think of him more athletic stronger arm and on the come. That would be Russell IMO the kids talent is mind boggling. He just never put it on display for us. And taht’s why I’m pissed at him. But QB’s like him are very very rare. He’ll end up in NO winning SB’s in 2 years if Sean Payton gets him.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
After today, I need all the laughs possible.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Priest, We became a national punchline BECAUSE of the Jamarcus debacle. The national media STILL has not forgotten about that and how foolish it made us look.
To bring him BACK? OMG.
It would take “joke” to a different level altogether.
Most importantly of course…we would continue to lose…BIG.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Kirk Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Greg Knapp is the worst offensive co-ordinator I have seen in my 50 years of watching pro football.
Absolutely the worst….
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I agree 100%.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
BHP still doesn’t understand that even if JaMoron is off the syrup, and gets into tip-top shape – he’s still too stupid to be an NFL QB.
He’s a borderline retard that can’t utter a comprehensible sentence.
Period.
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Tell that to the GM’s in the NFL is that kid gets it together because they will be bidding on his services.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Pass on Jabustus. No one wanted this kid (over AP and C Johnson)
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You wanted Jruss over Megatron? dam what were you smokin that day.
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I still think he is the most talented QB prospect since Elway, but you need more than talent to be a successful QB. You need a brain and a good work ethic.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Kirk Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Greg Knapp is the worst offensive co-ordinator I have seen in my 50 years of watching pro football.
Absolutely the worst….
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I agree 100%.
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No misdirection, nothing imaginative or interesting.
Pass routes on third and ten that only go seven yards…
Always bunching everyone together on short yardage situations…..
Knapp makes Hue Jackson look like a genius.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I think a few of us in here could call a better game on offense.
My offense would be called
The spontaneous vertical
and if we need 5 yards to get a first down, all the routes ran, would go no less than 6 yards.
=)
November 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Would u rather have a qb that is an out and out bust like Russell or would you rather hitch your wagon to a Sanchez type…as much as I will always be angry at Russell, glad we got it over with…
By the way, if U get a chance check out the Todd marinovich 30 for 30… It is great.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Look man I know how you guys feel but if this kid ever gets right there is no one like him. It’s just that simple I don’t expect you to understand because you’ve probably never seen him spin it when he’s right. And what he did here was despicable.
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Don’t tell me about Jabustus. I wanted us to draft this kid. I think he is the most talented QB prospect since Elway, but you need more than talent to be a successful QB. You need a brain and a good work ethic. He is done, so get over it.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
You think it’s ugly now?
Wait till after Cincy game.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
I think a few of us in here could call a better game on offense.
My offense would be called
The spontaneous vertical
and if we need 5 yards to get a first down, all the routes ran, would go no less than 6 yards.
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WTF are you saying man? You don’t want to throw it short and let your players get YAC?
No YAC?
Insanity!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
tonight ive seen posts that jamarcus should resurface and would turn into an all pro with the right coach, that hue made an awesome decision replacing campbell with grads 3 years ago, maybe the chaz schilens as the next great possesion receiver will resurface bc he caught a td today. wow..this season is taking a toll on everyone
November 18th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Look man I know how you guys feel but if this kid ever gets right there is no one like him. It’s just that simple I don’t expect you to understand because you’ve probably never seen him spin it when he’s right. And what he did here was despicable.
But you see Carson Palmer now think of him more athletic stronger arm and on the come. That would be Russell IMO the kids talent is mind boggling. He just never put it on display for us. And taht’s why I’m pissed at him. But QB’s like him are very very rare. He’ll end up in NO winning SB’s in 2 years if Sean Payton gets him.
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That’s because he gets to be Mardi Gras King if he behaves. Seriously, it’s NOT going to happen. That is Mardi Gras King AND playing QB in the NFL. On this one TJ, you are wasting your time on this LOSER.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says: November 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pmI think a few of us in here could call a better game on offense.My offense would be calledThe spontaneous verticaland if we need 5 yards to get a first down, all the routes ran, would go no less than 6 yards.=)
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LMAO @ “The spontaneous verticle”
Id call mine ,”The no zone”
November 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Yac, is what I do when I see all of the routes we run on 3rd down, short of the first, by 3-4 yds.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Raider O There’s nothing wrong with the kids brain man, it was just immaturity and work ethic. Both learned characteristics. I’m saying if he is right and ready their aint no one like him. That’s all I’m saying I wouldn’t be surprised if Knapp wouldn’t try to convince the Raiders to get him. He liked the kid based on his comments earlier.
Russell is a very rare talent man……he just needed to grow up……….period
November 18th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Out of the 3 major sports coaching is most relevant in football. You can throw wade and james out there with the worst coach in the NBA and they could still make the finals (spols is not a great coach) the Kobe Shaq Lakers still made the playoffs without Phil, and I could have managed the 2009 Yankees, But football is a different beast and only the great coahes win SB’s with only a few exceptions like Bill billick with the Ravens.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says: November 18th, 2012 at 8:45 pmI think a few of us in here could call a better game on offense.My offense would be calledThe spontaneous verticaland if we need 5 yards to get a first down, all the routes ran, would go no less than 6 yards.=)
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LMAO @ “The spontaneous verticle”
Id call mine ,”The no zone”
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i’d call mine ” the hurry up offense that Knapp wont use bc he’d rather lose games than not have his play called”
November 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
He just never put it on display for us. And taht’s why I’m pissed at him=============================================
Yes he did. And that’s why I will always be pissed at him.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
You guys keep asking for stronger coaches and some sort of change in that department….
……coaches dont win without players. And they certainly dont win without LEADERS.
ASK YOURSELF THIS ONE QUESTION…
Do we have one real leader on this team?
Carson Palmer may be our best player, but is he a leader?
Gannon was a leader. Does Palmer lead this team? Is there anyone on the sideline going nuts when we continually fvck up?
We’ve lacked leadership for a long time. We still dont have it. Until we do, this coaching staff’s hands are tied.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
JB I aint wasting anything I’m not in a position to suggest anything to anyone at this point. I got the QB I was begging for in Terrelle Pryor.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Maybe the Raiders should have followed the Lakers. The Lakers fired the coach and they started winning.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Is Myers the softest TE ever? But every time i see Ausberry play, its balls out!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
mr.:mrgreen:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Out of the 3 major sports coaching is most relevant in football.
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And you know this how? Because you played? Because you coached?
Oh wait, you havent. So STFU.
Coaching matters. But so do players. Stop letting our idiot roster off the hook.
Meyers GAVE THEM A INT today. Yet you dolts still defend our ineptitude.
13 dropped TDs this year since the preseason. 13. 13! THIRTEEN!!!!!!!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
He’ll end up in NO winning SB’s in 2 years if Sean Payton gets him.
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Say what?!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Can’t help it.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Is Myers the softest TE ever? But every time i see Ausberry play, its balls out!
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Myers gets open.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Talking “IF” and JaBustaxx is like hoping your sh*t doesn’t stink so you can sell it for coffee cake. Good luck on both!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
13 dropped TDs this year since the preseason. 13. 13! THIRTEEN!!!!!!!
Riff,
Is that some kind of record?
November 18th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Part of me feels a little bad for Reggie and DA and I’m sure they never thought they’d be on the ropes 10 games into this gig. But here’s where they brought this on themselves:
Reggie:
- I’m led to believe that firing Hue was Mark’s call. If it was not, as Mark and Reggie said during the press conference and the move was made for Reggie to get his own guy in there, then this would be a nonsensical move purely driven by Reggie’s ego and therefore unforgiveable.
- I understand that Kam Wimbley was overpaid, but I also think he’s underrated by many Raiders fans who only look at the sack total. Wimbley is an explosive pass rusher who makes the opposing QB step up before they want to. This leads to sacks from a strong interior push or at least rushed, errant throws. Releasing Wimbley and not replacing him with a real speed, edge rusher was probably Reggie’s biggest failure.
- If Hue had to go for whatever reason, Reggie should’ve known not to try to replace him with an unproven, inexperience rookie head coach. If we had taken this step back with Gruden or a head coach with a strong resume and some clout, I think the fanbase could withstand the losing a little better and give the regime the benefit of the doubt on a rebuild. But as a rookie HC who spent one year as a DC under a defensive-minded head coach in John Fox, Allen really has little credibility and there’s no reason for fans to trust that he’ll know how to turn things around.
DENNIS ALLEN:
- Hiring a rookie DC from the college ranks when you yourself are a rookie HC is a questionable call. Dennis Allen is in no position to help Tarver grow into the role as he himself is green as well.
- Passing over Al Saunders and Bob Wylie for Greg Knapp and a whole new scheme on offense was just a total head-scratcher. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. These moves made no sense and nobody was happy about it.
- Having a defense that gives up 32.2 ppg is beyond unacceptable. When you’re a defensive-minded head coach and this is happening under your watch you better beleive you’re going to take a major hit for it.
- So many of our breakdowns this year have been blown assignments and miscommunication. This does not speak well of the coaching staff and their having the players prepared and accountable.
- Sometimes you’ve gotta just talk straight.Coachspeak is obviously commonplace but at some point you’ve got to provide an original, meaningful explanation or thought or EVERYONE will tune you out.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Talking “IF” and JaBustaxx is like hoping your shicht doesn’t stink so you can sell it for coffee cake. Good luck on both!
November 18th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
You guys keep asking for stronger coaches and some sort of change in that department….
……coaches dont win without players. And they certainly dont win without LEADERS.
ASK YOURSELF THIS ONE QUESTION…
Do we have one real leader on this team?
Carson Palmer may be our best player, but is he a leader?
Gannon was a leader. Does Palmer lead this team? Is there anyone on the sideline going nuts when we continually fvck up?
We’ve lacked leadership for a long time. We still dont have it. Until we do, this coaching staff’s hands are tied.
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Gannon had WRs who could run routes, catch passes, compete for passes. Palmer has none. Gannon is better than Palmer , but I doubt we’d have more than 4 wins with him. Our OL is horrible, WRs can run routes and unlike Knapp, remember that game against Denver where Gannon ran the hurry up offense the entire game and passed almost every down? Our WRs are below average, our OL is below average and our offensive coordinator is below average.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Priest, I admire your guts to even bring up the possibility of entertaining EVER bringing JR back but that whole experience with him was perhaps the biggest stain on the Raider organization, brand, image…whatever in the last 10 yr’s.
Writers still clown us on that one to this day.
In the great sports dictionary, when u look up “Raider Dysfunction in the 2000’s” you find a picture of him as the representation of that.
I agree when Russell wanted to, he could do some things…and he had a few moments:
-At Denver
-At Tampa (Gruden’s last game at Tampa)
-At KC in yr’ 2 of his tenure when he drove us down the field for the flip to DMAC for the win).
I get where you’re coming from as far as his raw talent goes.
November 18th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
BHP still doesn’t understand that even if JaMoron is off the syrup, and gets into tip-top shape – he’s still too stupid to be an NFL QB.
He’s a borderline retard that can’t utter a comprehensible sentence.
Period.
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Tell that to the GM’s in the NFL is that kid gets it together because they will be bidding on his services.
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There’s a reason that hasn’t happened, right ?
The reason is JaMoron CAN’T ‘get it together’.
As I said, even if he manages to stay drug free and get in shape – there’s a MENTAL hurdle he can never overcome.
It is impossible for an incomprehensible borderline retard to QB an NFL team.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I loved the the offensive play calling n offenseoffensive, somebody just flat out fckn sucks.:mrgreen:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Raider O There’s nothing wrong with the kids brain man, it was just immaturity and work ethic. Both learned characteristics. I’m saying if he is right and ready their aint no one like him. That’s all I’m saying I wouldn’t be surprised if Knapp wouldn’t try to convince the Raiders to get him. He liked the kid based on his comments earlier.
Russell is a very rare talent man……he just needed to grow up……….period
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Like I said bro, he is talented, but he lacks work ethic and passion. He is more interested in sipping syrup than being an NFL QB. I rather have TP who is less talented but he has a better work ethic and more passion for the game and the position.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Raider O Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Pass on Jabustus. No one wanted this kid (over AP and C Johnson)
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You wanted Jruss over Megatron? dam what were you smokin that day.
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I still think he is the most talented QB prospect since Elway, but you need more than talent to be a successful QB. You need a brain and a good work ethic.
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You need a functional supporting cast and damn good coaches. He got neither.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Raider Riff Says: November 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pmYou guys keep asking for stronger coaches and some sort of change in that department….……coaches dont win without players. And they certainly dont win without LEADERS.ASK YOURSELF THIS ONE QUESTION…Do we have one real leader on this team?Carson Palmer may be our best player, but is he a leader?Gannon was a leader. Does Palmer lead this team? Is there anyone on the sideline going nuts when we continually fvck up?We’ve lacked leadership for a long time. We still dont have it. Until we do, this coaching staff’s hands are tied.
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Is Alex Smith a leader? While Patrick Willis is awesome, he is definitely not a leader verbally. Who is the leader for them? Ask yourself that question. I will argue the leader is THE COACH! And YES the DB coach was going nuts on the sideline on the TD pass before the half. Leaders are great, but if thats the case, the screaming Phillip Rivers and the chargers would be great, BUT WAIT, THEIR COACH IS NORV TURNER!
November 18th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
JaMarcus? Ha! Hey, why not? This season is a waste. Might as well just turn the whole dam thing into a freakshow.
Jeff George would be even better though.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Goodnight gentlemen.
Enough Raider torture for today.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Btw, I was talking about his passion and decision making ability when I was talking about his brain.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
how about the time cable gave a blank dvd to jacarcus and after the weekend he asked if he watched it and jamarcus said yes. classic
November 18th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
KLnapp should take an extended hike to the he11 reserved for idiots like him.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I don’t think Russell has to what it takes to get in shape and want to play again. He is retired. Hopefully he does something productive with his life. He tweeted that he went to back to school at LSU.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
November 18th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
nycraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
how about the time cable gave a blank dvd to jacarcus and after the weekend he asked if he watched it and jamarcus said yes. classic
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That never happened. Internet rumor.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Later 99
November 18th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
That being said, “F” him.:mrgreen:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
“No, I’m not into rebuilding years,” Allen said. “What we’ve got to do is we’ve got to continue to develop. We’ve got to continue to go to work and keep trying to get better every that. That’s all I know how to do.”
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Well then….get off that crack pipe!!!
November 18th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
That being said, “F” him .
November 18th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
In listening to Mark Davis’ spontaneous presser it sounds as though he’s not a happy camper. Like he said, “why shouldn’t he be upset? He’s a fan too”. He also made a point that DOA does not get an automatic pass just because he’s a new HC. He went on to say that he is under contract but that never stopped Al from terminating a coach who needed to go.
If DOA hasn’t lost this team yet, he soon will if he continues to do nothing to rectify the problems. Why is Hoffman still employed by the Raiders. He is the WORST ST COORDINATOR we’ve ever had. Knapp really needs to go or at a minimum give up play calling. He just doesn’t get it – NEVER WILL.
As one poster recognized our problems are coach deficient based. Granted we have a talent vacancy but the coaching problem is more prevalent.
Start the rumor – CHUCKY IS COMING BACK IN 2013.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
did Hue ever coach jamarcus?
November 18th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
nycraider Saysdid Hue ever coach jamarcus?===================
Pro bowl, if he had.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
JaMarcus? Ha! Hey, why not? This season is a waste. Might as well just turn the whole dam thing into a freakshow.
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I’ll take a freakshow anyday over the schtt we’ve been watching this season.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
vember 18th, 2012 at 8:56 pmPart of me feels a little bad for Reggie and DA and I’m sure they never thought they’d be on the ropes 10 games into this gig. But here’s where they brought this on themselves:Reggie:- I’m led to believe that firing Hue was Mark’s call. If it was not, as Mark and Reggie said during the press conference and the move was made for Reggie to get his own guy in there, then this would be a nonsensical move purely driven by Reggie’s ego and therefore unforgiveable.- I understand that Kam Wimbley was overpaid, but I also think he’s underrated by many Raiders fans who only look at the sack total. Wimbley is an explosive pass rusher who makes the opposing QB step up before they want to. This leads to sacks from a strong interior push or at least rushed, errant throws. Releasing Wimbley and not replacing him with a real speed, edge rusher was probably Reggie’s biggest failure.- If Hue had to go for whatever reason, Reggie should’ve known not to try to replace him with an unproven, inexperience rookie head coach. If we had taken this step back with Gruden or a head coach with a strong resume and some clout, I think the fanbase could withstand the losing a little better and give the regime the benefit of the doubt on a rebuild. But as a rookie HC who spent one year as a DC under a defensive-minded head coach in John Fox, Allen really has little credibility and there’s no reason for fans to trust that he’ll know how to turn things around.DENNIS ALLEN:- Hiring a rookie DC from the college ranks when you yourself are a rookie HC is a questionable call. Dennis Allen is in no position to help Tarver grow into the role as he himself is green as well.- Passing over Al Saunders and Bob Wylie for Greg Knapp and a whole new scheme on offense was just a total head-scratcher. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. These moves made no sense and nobody was happy about it.- Having a defense that gives up 32.2 ppg is beyond unacceptable. When you’re a defensive-minded head coach and this is happening under your watch you better beleive you’re going to take a major hit for it.- So many of our breakdowns this year have been blown assignments and miscommunication. This does not speak well of the coaching staff and their having the players prepared and accountable.- Sometimes you’ve gotta just talk straight.Coachspeak is obviously commonplace but at some point you’ve got to provide an original, meaningful explanation or thought or EVERYONE will tune you out.
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Great points Chris in NYC, I only disagree in i don’t feel bad for them for one second. They will walk away rich and to another job, probably in Cleveland. But they just had to weather the storm, stay mediocre and all would be ok. They made things worse.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
nycraider Saysdid Hue ever coach jamarcus?Pro bowl for Gruden if he kept Szirup awake, I meant.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
This interview of owner by his request is the first public warning to Reggie. I’m willing to bet john Madden told him to do it to keep the fans keep coming in to sell the remaining games of the season. Good luck selling against Browns!
Mark Davis only talks to RM not DA. Reggie has been warned. He is responsible cor the roster and choosing a winning coach. Most of his free agents have been busts(Brisel, Bartel, Spencer, Tollefson, Pat Lee, …). And his HC has not delivered in preparing those players for battle, period. now Sheet will flow downhill. Next RM roasts DA who kicks his coaches ars and so on.
End result: preparation for 2013 is in full swing. This season is toast as far as playoffs are concerned.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
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November 18th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Why is JaDumbass being talked about so much? Great arm, THE END.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
With the 2013 NFL Draft the Oakland Raiders select:____
November 18th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
If I could hire, it would go like this
Gruden H.C/O.C
Gannon QB Coach/Assistant Head Coach
Wylie/Wiz-O.L Coach
Jerry Rice-WR Coach
Wauffle D.L-Coac
Ken Norton Jr-D.C
November 18th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
4th overall….as of now!
Who knows by season ends.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
OakFoshow-Special teams coach
November 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
i wonder what HC job Hue will take in 2013. no way a talent like his can only be recognized in here
November 18th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Head of the Pedicure School of Fine Fingers and Toes.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Christ I hate this team and their coaches. I’m so sick of this. The first football game I can remember was when I was 8, the ‘76 Super Bowl. Honestly, cause I was a kid, I think I would have latched onto whichever team won. For the first time ever, I wish it had been the Vikings.
I can take losing, I’ll scream at the TV, throw beer cans and my cell phone, beat my kids MORE (JK) and then when it’s all over, I can eventually get past it and look forward to the next week. Not now. Not anymore. It’s been 20+ years minus Gruden of misery and humiliation. And I could even take that, if I thought we had some direction. Some light at the end of the tunnel. But we don’t.
Most of our players suck balls. For most of them, Mitchell and Curry to good example, the worst thing that can happen to them is getting a chance to play. It’s like we have 20 Babe Laughenbergs on our team. And football isn’t baseball, you can’t just go out and buy a new team, and/or refortify from your farm team. It takes YEARS to get better. And we r apparently YEARS away from getting better, much less being competitive, much less being winners.
And even that wouldn’t be so bad if I thought this coaching staff and GM had a plan. But it doesn’t seem like they do. Everyone is on notice this year? Great. So next year we go out there w Palmer and Reece and shaughnesy and Moore? I’m not even sure about the last two. That’s 22 against 4. I don’t think we can hold up. Or do we just go buy 20 new players? Cause we r already missing our 2nd and 4th round picks next year.
And special teams? Holy SHlT!!! And our LINES!!! Our 3 strengths r an embarrassment now (DL may just be underperforming, now that Seymour is out, it’s not quite as embarrassing as it once was). I mean, where do we start??? Can anyone name one piece of this team in either side of the ball that we can build on?
OL. NO
DL. NO
WRs. No
LBs. no
SECONDARY. NOOOOOOOOOOO
RBs. No
QB. too old
TEs. umh no.
Coaches? Hell no. At least not krapp, pollard or Hoffman for sure.
We’ve got nothing. We r nowhere. There is no hope. Except for, as stated in a previous post, the potential for a Mayan disaster. That’ll take our minds off of this, make it all look a little better. But when recover from that a 1000 years from now, DA will still be saying ‘we gotta work harder”, “we gotta look at the film”, “we gotta get it fixed”. I’m so sick of his GD coach speak. Makes him look like a clueless ferry faced moron, just like Shanahan when he was here when he was 12 years old. What a friggin joke.
So basically, my point is I wish the Vikings had won that GD Super Bowl. But they didn’t. So I’m stuck w this POS team just like the rest of you. But hey, it could always be worse right, we could be Chefs or Jags fans, right? To bad their fans r saying the same thing about us!!!
November 18th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Head of the Pedicure School of Fine Fingers and Toes.
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lol
November 18th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Hey #7 D’Antoni didn’t coach the Lakers today. He won’t start until the next game. They pushed back his first game due to all the distractions reletive to fan anger over them not bringing back Phil Jackson, and Magic Johnson blasting management for playing games with Phil. Magic pointed out the fact, D’Antoni has been a coach in the league for 10 yrs and has done nothing.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
post 151 is spot on.
We really don’t have much talent,
we have a bunch of rookie coaches because veteran coaches avoided working for Al
we have an 0-line system that doesn’t fit our guys
and we have a zone D system that players hadn’t been allowed to practice in decades.
We’re two years away minimum, as I stated in August.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
I think Reggie thinks he’s smarter than he is. I see him trading the 3rd pick in the draft for 5 fourth rounders (even though its not possible) or 2 second rounders and 2 third. He was praised as a great talent evaluator i hope it hasnt gone to his head.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
JaMarcus’ arm was the shizzle though. Gotta give him that.
I’ll admit it. I was all for the JaMarcus pick at the time. Saw a QB with that size, good accuracy in college and the ability to throw the ball 60 yards with a flick of the wrist and probably 80 with a full wind up and I was down with that gamble. I had no way of knowing about the work ethic issues, but if he really wanted to be good he could’ve been. Kid had a Dan Marino/Jim Kelly type arm.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
JaMarcus’ arm was the shizzle though. Gotta give him that.
I’ll admit it. I was all for the JaMarcus pick at the time. Saw a QB with that size, good accuracy in college and the ability to throw the ball 60 yards with a flick of the wrist and probably 80 with a full wind up and I was down with that gamble. I had no way of knowing about the work ethic issues, but if he really wanted to be good he could’ve been. Kid had a Dan Marino/Jim Kelly type arm.
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JaMarcus had a great arm, but he had a lot more than that. My favorite thing about him was his mental toughness and his ability to make plays in the clutch. That was his calling card at LSU and he showed it in the pros as well. His supporting cast here in 2009 is arguably the worst in history. We gave up too soon.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
The rest of the season is essentially an audition to see who gets to keep their jobs.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
yes riff I played sports but not at the pro level and neither did you so shut your fag ass up, Mc20’s not here to lick your balls so nobody cares about your weak ass post get the fck out and dont come back.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Bynum is a fckn jerk. Thank God we got rid of that douche bag and I feel bad for Philly fans.
He aggravated his knee while bowling and he said,”it is what it is.” Damn Bum
Thanks Orlando! =)
November 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Post 115
Yep. Add that to my 151 and that’ll about sum it all up I think. It’s all just such a sad pathetic joke. New regime? New era of excellence? LMFAO.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
RaiderDebo, Priest, and Mistic all still praising Jamarcuys. Why is that?
November 18th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
I willing to give Chubby Checker one more year to redeem himself…after that he’s on his own with no support!!!
November 18th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
This Raiders team remind me of Accutane.
Accutane is an acne medication that clears up your acne and it’s gone for good. It got banned because some people committed suicide while on the stuff.
The docs will tell you that the way it works is it will make your face look worse before it clears up. The accutane gets in your system and (your face is already effed up) pushes all that acne puss out of your face (so now your face really looks effed). Some folks got depressed and offed themselves. Then it clears up and it’s all good. You have to be patient and let it work. It took about 3 months.
Well we were bad the last 7 or 8 years and we take accutane (hire a GM and new HC). We are worse than last year (the accutane pushing out all the puss). So next year we should be in the playoffs. (If we don’t off ourselves before the end of regular season.)
November 18th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
This interview of owner by his request is the first public warning to Reggie. I’m willing to bet john Madden told him to do it to keep the fans keep coming in to sell the remaining games of the season. Good luck selling against Browns!
Mark Davis only talks to RM not DA. Reggie has been warned. He is responsible cor the roster and choosing a winning coach. Most of his free agents have been busts(Brisel, Bartel, Spencer, Tollefson, Pat Lee, …). And his HC has not delivered in preparing those players for battle, period. now Sheet will flow downhill. Next RM roasts DA who kicks his coaches ars and so on.
End result: preparation for 2013 is in full swing. This season is toast as far as playoffs are concerned.
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Word
November 18th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
As bad as it is, we have a real chance next week against Cincy. Andy Dalton is a backup QB posing as a starter. Our D has a chance to make some plays and keep us in the game. Our DBs should be practicing defending jump balls all week.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Raider Riff Says: November 18th, 2012 at 8:53 pmYou guys keep asking for stronger coaches and some sort of change in that department….……coaches dont win without players. And they certainly dont win without LEADERS.ASK YOURSELF THIS ONE QUESTION…Do we have one real leader on this team?Carson Palmer may be our best player, but is he a leader?Gannon was a leader. Does Palmer lead this team? Is there anyone on the sideline going nuts when we continually fvck up?We’ve lacked leadership for a long time. We still dont have it. Until we do, this coaching staff’s hands are tied.
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Is Alex Smith a leader? While Patrick Willis is awesome, he is definitely not a leader verbally. Who is the leader for them? Ask yourself that question. I will argue the leader is THE COACH! And YES the DB coach was going nuts on the sideline on the TD pass before the half. Leaders are great, but if thats the case, the screaming Phillip Rivers and the chargers would be great, BUT WAIT, THEIR COACH IS NORV TURNER!
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I told you this Riff character is another dumbass who thinks he knows it all, but the truth is he is just a below avg athlete who thought he was good at sports, when he finally figured out he was a bum he tried blogging but he fails to realize a washed up high school jock isnt very bright and many of his points are pointless.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
How many of our players are in the top 50% in their position:Jano, Lechler, Palmer, Reece. How many coaches has Mike Mitchell, Tyvon Branch, and rolando Mcclain played for? Unless you give them all a brain transplant there is no coach who could make them an all pro. DHB after 4 years and how many coaches, still doesnt catch TDs, doesnt run good routes and still struggles catching balls, . Guys, coaching can make a big difference but you need players who have the mental ability to be coached.
Our roster needs an overhaul, but the biggest question is Reggie the guy who can do it.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
where is mctroll20? and the other reggiebootlickers…
November 18th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
504 Raider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
This Raiders team remind me of Accutane.
Accutane is an acne medication that clears up your acne and it’s gone for good. It got banned because some people committed suicide while on the stuff.
The docs will tell you that the way it works is it will make your face look worse before it clears up. The accutane gets in your system and (your face is already effed up) pushes all that acne puss out of your face (so now your face really looks effed). Some folks got depressed and offed themselves. Then it clears up and it’s all good. You have to be patient and let it work. It took about 3 months.
Well we were bad the last 7 or 8 years and we take accutane (hire a GM and new HC). We are worse than last year (the accutane pushing out all the puss). So next year we should be in the playoffs. (If we don’t off ourselves before the end of regular season.)
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Great analogy. I wish it were true. I believed it was true at the beginning of the year. But even the owner expected to get better every week. Not worse. And no way we r a year away. We r 3 years away. And only if 80% of our draft picks and 90% of our free agents work out. And if these coaches prove to have a clue. So far I’ve seen none of that. So it may not even be better in 3 years. They may never work it out.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
504 Raider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
This Raiders team remind me of Accutane.
Accutane is an acne medication that clears up your acne and it’s gone for good. It got banned because some people committed suicide while on the stuff.
The docs will tell you that the way it works is it will make your face look worse before it clears up. The accutane gets in your system and (your face is already effed up) pushes all that acne puss out of your face (so now your face really looks effed). Some folks got depressed and offed themselves. Then it clears up and it’s all good. You have to be patient and let it work. It took about 3 months.
Well we were bad the last 7 or 8 years and we take accutane (hire a GM and new HC). We are worse than last year (the accutane pushing out all the puss). So next year we should be in the playoffs. (If we don’t off ourselves before the end of regular season.)
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Great analogy. I wish it were true. I believed it was true at the beginning of the year. But even the owner expected to get better every week. Not worse. And no way we r a year away. We r 3 years away. And only if 80% of our draft picks and 90% of our free agents work out. And if these coaches prove to have a clue. So far I’ve seen none of that. So it may not even be better in 3 years. They may never work it out.
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reggie on accutane? or maybes it his brother..who knows
November 18th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
115; Great, accurate post !
November 18th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
nice analogy 504…
as for jamarcus… the codiene addiction robbed him of motivation and cooked his brain as bad as any narcitic does…doubt he’s functioning at a high enough level to be an nfl qb today. if we would have kept him and not released him, we could have got him into rehab and possible ressurected his career, but sending him back to MS. with nothing but time and money was probably the final step out of the nfl.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
As bad as it is, we have a real chance next week against Cincy. Andy Dalton is a backup QB posing as a starter. Our D has a chance to make some plays and keep us in the game. Our DBs should be practicing defending jump balls all week.
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Short bus rider? Unless maybe he’s talking about the bearcats? That’s a Cindy team we might be able to hang with. If the ball bounces our way. Maybe.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
sure we CAN win in Cinci…
but i really doubt it.
T
November 18th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
glad Mark Davis said SOMETHING…
but will it make a difference if he’s not willing to shed some of these coaches and players responsible for this mess?
November 18th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
LMAO @ Eastoaklandraider! Riff is the type of guy that thinks if we had 10 pro bowl players, we would win the super bowl every year. Players like vick, namdi, jackspn, mccoy, rogers cromarti….. Hows that working for the eagles?
November 18th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
glad Mark Davis said SOMETHING…
but will it make a difference if he’s not willing to shed some of these coaches and players responsible for this mess?
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he said DA and RM arent going anywhere.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
LMAO @ Eastoaklandraider! Riff is the type of guy that thinks if we had 10 pro bowl players, we would win the super bowl every year. Players like vick, namdi, jackspn, mccoy, rogers cromarti….. Hows that working for the eagles?
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He’s just a dumbass I just try my best to ignore him, but he just gets under my skin with his arrogance.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
glad Mark Davis said SOMETHING…
but will it make a difference if he’s not willing to shed some of these coaches and players responsible for this mess?
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Nope. It’s cokey leading frumpy leading snively leading krappy leading a bunch of no talent, check cashing chumps. It’s nice to hear that someone gives a shlt in this organization. But he won’t do a thing about it. No for a long time anyway. He basically said it. “They have contracts” and I took that to be followed by “and I plan to honor them”. Just conjecture. But doesn’t look good.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
LMAO @ Eastoaklandraider! Riff is the type of guy that thinks if we had 10 pro bowl players, we would win the super bowl every year. Players like vick, namdi, jackspn, mccoy, rogers cromarti….. Hows that working for the eagles?
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I get your point about coaching and agree there is some merit to it. But do really think if tomorrow you switched the entire Defensive units of SF and the raiders that SF would be the elite team they are because of coaching and the raiders would still finished 4-12 like their headed this year?
November 18th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
As bad as it is, we have a real chance next week against Cincy. Andy Dalton is a backup QB posing as a starter. Our D has a chance to make some plays and keep us in the game. Our DBs should be practicing defending jump balls all week.
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R U kiddin’ us?! Man I hope you are right but this season has already sailed away. You could bet most of our roster is already booking their Hawaiin vaca for January 1. And Cincy is playing at home and still chasing last playoff spot, and with a receiver like Green against our secondary and so you are telling me we have a chance?!
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DKX5jNnDMfxA
November 18th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
LMAO @ Eastoaklandraider! Riff is the type of guy that thinks if we had 10 pro bowl players, we would win the super bowl every year. Players like vick, namdi, jackspn, mccoy, rogers cromarti….. Hows that working for the eagles?
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I get your point about coaching and agree there is some merit to it. But do really think if tomorrow you switched the entire Defensive units of SF and the raiders that SF would be the elite team they are because of coaching and the raiders would still finished 4-12 like their headed this year?
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If we had Harbaugh and his staff I believe we would still be in contention for a playoff spot.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Fire Knapp!
Fire Tarver!
Fire Hoffman!
Fire the OL coach!
DA gets one more year and that’s it.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
They won’t say it but I will. The season has been over for two weeks. Now comes the evaluation period for next season. And there does not appear to be a lot that is going to make the cut.
November 18th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
NYCraider
No, closer to 8-8 haha. Obviously you need players but we say the players suck when they lose. Branch was great last year, now he sucks? Seymour, now he sucks? Curry and McClain were superstars in college, now they suck? Huff was a top 10 pick? I may be wrong, but can you name a defense with names like that but still suck? How can nick saban make mcclain a stud, but in oakland he is garbage? The best teams play great as a team and compliment each other.
Everybody is great when they win, but they cant win without proper coaching.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
LMAO @ Eastoaklandraider! Riff is the type of guy that thinks if we had 10 pro bowl players, we would win the super bowl every year. Players like vick, namdi, jackspn, mccoy, rogers cromarti….. Hows that working for the eagles?
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I get your point about coaching and agree there is some merit to it. But do really think if tomorrow you switched the entire Defensive units of SF and the raiders that SF would be the elite team they are because of coaching and the raiders would still finished 4-12 like their headed this year?
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If we had Harbaugh and his staff I believe we would still be in contention for a playoff spot.
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ok, i dont see it but ill respect it. i just think the middle of our defense is so stupid its impossible to win with them especially when you throw in the lack of a speed rusher and margiinal CBs..
November 18th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
If we had Harbaugh and his staff I believe we would still be in contention for a playoff spot.
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No we couldn’t. Harbuagh had the lst or 2nd best defense in the league. We don’t. It was all smoke and mirrors. To say without Knapp we would be 6-4 or some ridiculous number is absurd. This is a bad team. It has been a bad team for a while, and now comes the time to take it apart.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
There are probably 6-7 pieces on this team to keep. And they are the players you guys hate.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Thank God for Mark Davis’ comments today. Finally.
Keep Reggie M. and Dennis A. for another year at least. Fire the coordinators after the the final tick go the last game. If Dennis cannot locate, evaluate, motivate and lead his coaches, then can his sorry butt.I hear all this talk about what a great leader and great coach he will be but proof is in our record. Show me- Don;t tell me.
These current Raiders look like the Washington Federals against the Harlem Globetrotters.
This team is bush league and has no guts or fight in them. They are trout playing in a shark league.
Trade McFadden. Draft a young franchise QB-Trade for new running backs. Teach or trade for receivers who know what a football looks like and know how to catch it with regularity without fear of getting hit.
I’ve been enduring TEN years of the same old c-r-a-p week after week. We are not the Browns man, We are the OAKLAND RAIDERS.
Upgrade the talent of this team immediately. We are a laughingstock again – Make moves and stop it with all this horse-crap of “we’ll get better.” Change it or you will lose the fan base…again.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
If we had Harbaugh and his staff I believe we would still be in contention for a playoff spot.
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No we couldn’t. Harbuagh had the lst or 2nd best defense in the league. We don’t. It was all smoke and mirrors. To say without Knapp we would be 6-4 or some ridiculous number is absurd. This is a bad team. It has been a bad team for a while, and now comes the time to take it apart.
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he does have that, but our O is better than the 9ers with proper coaching and if we had SF’S DC our D would also be better and imo that leads to us at least being in contention and 5-5 is being in contention.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
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November 18th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
As bad as it is, we have a real chance next week against Cincy. Andy Dalton is a backup QB posing as a starter. Our D has a chance to make some plays and keep us in the game. Our DBs should be practicing defending jump balls all week.
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Dalton aint no backup…I’m sure AJ Green will agree!
I don’t know how many of you guys are in the same position I’m in…I have to hear it from my wife every Sunday (don’t know if it’s from me nagging cause the Raiders lost) but she b!tches every chance she gets!!
“I don’t know why you watch football for?” “All you do is complain and take it out… all on us!” “I hope when I leave, you and the Raiders will be happy!” “Maybe they can give you the bomb @$$ pu$$y you wish you had!” “Let them wash and fold your clothes!!” “Let them pay your child support!” “Let them cook for you!”…I could go on and on…
I’m screwed no matter what way I look at it….I got 6 kids with her!!!
November 18th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Our defense allowed 135 points in 3 games! That’s ridiculous!
November 18th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Q: Is it time to give other quarterbacks a shot other than Carson Palmer?
A: “That’s up to the coaches. That’s not my decision. I have opinions but I’m not going to speak ‘em.”
Q: Why not?
A: “Because that’s not my place. I have plenty of confidence in Carson Palmer.”
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Not a ringing endorsement on Palmer. I wonder what Marks thoughts are?? hmmmmm
November 18th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
NYCraider
No, closer to 8-8 haha. Obviously you need players but we say the players suck when they lose. Branch was great last year, now he sucks? Seymour, now he sucks? Curry and McClain were superstars in college, now they suck? Huff was a top 10 pick? I may be wrong, but can you name a defense with names like that but still suck? How can nick saban make mcclain a stud, but in oakland he is garbage? The best teams play great as a team and compliment each other.
Everybody is great when they win, but they cant win without proper coaching.
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think you named a team in your earlier post, the eagles ..just my opinion but I dont think branch was ever great. many college stars like mcclaln and huff never make the transition to the NFL. Our defense from top to bottom last year was horrible and they are horrible again even with a defensive minded coach. idk, mitchell, branch and mcclain will never be all pros imo, but its something we disagree on. when a team is giving up 30+ points a game , saying they are getting good coaching is a tough sell. I understand that, but i feel the middle of our defense is stupid and it kills us every year no matter who coached them
November 18th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
We have three blow outs in a row another one next week and i might need group therapy.
Another poor showing with Bengals i would expect some heads to roll on Monday.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Thank God the Jets are taking attention away from our wuss team.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
and will someone tell corky 2013 is about 6 weeks away. Very close
November 18th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
In all the highlights we saw of Burris what was it about those that got alot of us so excited?
PASS RUSHING. That’s ALL we see of Burris in the highlights becuz THAT IS WHAT HE DID BEST.
Now…we villify him becuz he can’t cover receivers.
It comes back to COACHING and putting players in the best position to do what they do best.
Burris is a speed rusher. That’s what he was…it’s what he should be.
COACHING!
November 18th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Keepers on O:
CP3,DMAC,DMOORE,REECE,AUZ,DHB,FORD,STREATER,CRINER,WIZ,VELDEER,STEWART,JONES,PRYOR.
Keepers on D:
HUFF,KELLY,BURRIS,WHEELER,SHONASTY,HOUSTON,MCCLAIN,DBRYANT,HANSON.
Everyone else can kick rocks as far as i’m concerned.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
What about Criner?
What has he done but make great catches?
The two pointer against Tampa and then today.
How much has he been targeted? Hardly at all.
How much SHOULD he be targeted?
ALOT MORE.
COACHING!
November 18th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
I am telling you from a very high source…..It’s coaching. The problem is at the coach’s position and the poor talent. We need a man with testicles who will stop coddling these wusses and motivate them to hit and knock the crap out of people. No team is scared to walk into the Coliseum anymore. There is nothing to fear. The Raiders are like: “Ooooooh look out we’re going to “field goal” you to death.”
November 18th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
This staff ruined this offense.
1- Changing Players position and blocking scheme hurt our OL which was productive last year.
2- Implementing a scheme that doesn’t fit the Playets was a huge mistake. No production from our most productive players last year DMC (before getting injured) and DHB.
3- Reece wasn’t involved innthe beginning of the season.
4- can’t ask Palmer to throw 35+ times every game.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
200, East…how can u keep McClain?
November 18th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Eight reasons to take heart if you’re a Raiders fan:
1) Pretty soon, the Raiders’ coaches are going to stop trying to make adjustments at halftime. This will give the Raiders’ players free time to meditate, medicate, take a smoke break or do whatever players do to relax and recharge.
The Raiders have been outscored 123-34 in the third quarter this season.
In Sunday’s 38-17 loss to the New Orleans Saints, the first two plays of the second half were a 75-yard kickoff return by the Saints’ Travaris Cadet and a 27-yard touchdown run by Mark Ingram.
Whatever adjustments the Raiders are making at halftime, they should stop making ‘em. Dennis Allen and his boys are getting out-adjusted.
Many decades ago, Brooklyn Dodgers manager Charlie Dressen told his players, “Just stay close, I’ll think of something.” Allen’s mantra now should be, “Just stay close and I’ll keep my mouth shut.”
2) Another one of those oh-so-unsatisfying 8-8 seasons probably isn’t in the cards. A three-peat on an even-steven season is unlikely.
The 2012 version of the Raiders seems incapable of sustaining the mediocrity momentum built by the past two teams.
3) The Raiders won’t get booed off the field next Sunday.
They’ll be on the road, in Cincinnati.
Unfortunately for the Raiders, they play their worst ball on the road. And Cincy has an assistant coach named Hue Jackson, whose very presence will provide a weeklong reminder of the Better Old Days.
Under Jackson, the Raiders went 8-8. Jackson’s critics will say, “Yeah, but Hue made that trade for Carson Palmer, who played horribly Sunday.” And Jackson’s defenders will counter with, “Palmer played pretty damn well when Hue Jackson was his coach.”
Ouch.
4) The Raiders are inching closer to the top of the draft class.
And whomever the Raiders draft, it won’t be an Al Davis pick. At least I don’t think it will be.
Still, debate and disenchantment loom. There will be a clamor for the Raiders to draft a quarterback, but if they do, the louder clamor will become, “How can you draft a quarterback when the team’s most obvious and desperate need is for a (fill in the blank)?.”
Depth, that’s the Raiders’ problem. They’re about as deep as a “Where’s Waldo?” book.
5) The Black Hole has plenty of motivation to step up its game.
Back in the day, the Black Hole stood for fear and intimidation. On Sunday, the Saints mocked the Hole.
When tight end Jimmy Graham caught a 1-yard touchdown pass on the Saints’ opening drive, he spiked the ball over the crossbar and it bounced toward the Black Hole. Then Graham made a disrespectful, taunting gesture to those snarling fans.
If nothing else, the Black Hole folks should find a way to electrify the crossbar. Just a mild shock.
In the second quarter, New Orleans safeties Malcolm Jenkins and Roman Harper celebrated an end-zone interception by taunting the Black Hole. They got penalized for it, but they didn’t seem to mind.
Later, at the other end of the field, wideout Lance Moore caught a touchdown pass and did a sprightly “Gangnam Style” dance for the end-zone fans.
In the old days, opponents came to the Coliseum hoping to survive. Now, they come hoping to impress the talent scouts for “Dancing With the Stars.”
6) After Sunday, Palmer has only one way to go.
Against the league’s worst (until Sunday) defense, Palmer, uh, struggled.
He threw two interceptions, both in the first half, and had two other potential interceptions dropped by would-be interceptors.
Some blame goes to the Raiders’ receivers. Tight end Brandon Myers had a Palmer pass skid through his hands in the end zone and into the hands of a defender. Denarius Moore was targeted seven times and caught one pass. On several occasions, Palmer and his receiver were not on the same page, or even in the same chapter.
7) It ain’t over ’til it’s over.
“Right now, we’re shooting for 9-7,” Palmer said, adding, “The AFC is still pretty wide open, for the most part…”
Mark Davis chatted with the media after the game. Unlike his late father, Mark doesn’t mind occasionally expressing his thoughts to the Raiders’ fans, via the media.
Davis said he was embarrassed and disappointed with the team’s “regression,” and he indicated that he understands the realities of the situation but he’s not giving free passes to anyone, including himself or his head coach.
Davis also mentioned that he had surgery five months ago to correct a back problem, the surgery didn’t work, but doctors recently discovered a tumor/cyst on his sciatic nerve and removed it. He said he’ll get back to the gym Jan. 1.
“The triplets go away then,” Davis said, patting his growing boiler.
Other problems, however, might be tougher to sweat away.
Scott Ostler is a San Francisco Chronicle columnist.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/ostler/article/Another-lost-Raiders-season-4048779.php#ixzz2Ce9fMSq8
November 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
200, East…how can u keep McClain?
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cause his mom says hes a good player
November 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Toss McClain’s butt through the door.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
200, East…how can u keep McClain?
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cause his mom says hes a good player
November 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
200, East…how can u keep McClain?
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cause his mom says hes a good player
November 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
think you named a team in your earlier post, the eagles ..just my opinion but I dont think branch was ever great. many college stars like mcclaln and huff never make the transition to the NFL. Our defense from top to bottom last year was horrible and they are horrible again even with a defensive minded coach. idk, mitchell, branch and mcclain will never be all pros imo, but its something we disagree on. when a team is giving up 30+ points a game , saying they are getting good coaching is a tough sell. I understand that, but i feel the middle of our defense is stupid and it kills us every year no matter who coached them
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How can you say “no matter who coached them” when all they have had is schitty coaches their entire careers? I have no doubt that if you take these players and disburse them to SF PITT BAL, they become all-pro players before your very eyes.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
200, East…how can u keep McClain?
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cause his mom says he’s a good player
November 18th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Eight reasons to take heart if you’re a Raiders fan:
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Respectfully, you are out of your mind.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Coaches are not putting guys in best positions to be successful.
Bruce Smith was a great pass rusher but he would have made a terrible cornerback.
Joe Montana was a great qb, but how would he have done at right guard?
Burris should be rushing the passer…period…and that’s it.
McClain should be an ilb in a 3/4 NOT MLB on every down.
These coaches seem too dense to realize thses things.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
NYCraider
I agree with you somewhat. But how can so many college superstars all be busts in oakland? So instead of finding somebody to get the best out of them, lets trade them all and bring in new unproven college superstars?
Ill admit guys like Mitchell, Kelly, need to go. I cant stand Burris either! But the defense is not creative at all. I see teams like Pittsburgh bring 8 men in the box, all standing. The opposing qb has NO CLUE who is rushing. I see LB’s take on blockers instead of finding ball carriers I see guys not knowing who to cover. I see our defensive lineman doing the same power rush every play. I see the LB’s not coveringthe flat. Its mostly blown assignments.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
think you named a team in your earlier post, the eagles ..just my opinion but I dont think branch was ever great. many college stars like mcclaln and huff never make the transition to the NFL. Our defense from top to bottom last year was horrible and they are horrible again even with a defensive minded coach. idk, mitchell, branch and mcclain will never be all pros imo, but its something we disagree on. when a team is giving up 30+ points a game , saying they are getting good coaching is a tough sell. I understand that, but i feel the middle of our defense is stupid and it kills us every year no matter who coached them
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How can you say “no matter who coached them” when all they have had is schitty coaches their entire careers? I have no doubt that if you take these players and disburse them to SF PITT BAL, they become all-pro players before your very eyes.
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.guess its the coaches fault when mcclain picks the wrong gap…
November 18th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Blow up the whole thing…and start over!!!
It’s simple as …3, 2, 1 !!!
Move the whole team to L.A….and get comp. picks and start over!!
Or sale the fukin team!! I’m sure Magic and his team would make a generous offer!!
November 18th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
200, East…how can u keep McClain?
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I still believe in the kid, I just think he lacks coaching and the DC he has played for through his short career have been crap. If you put Mcclain next to Patrick Willis in SF how do you think he performs then?
November 18th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Eight reasons to take heart if you’re a Raiders fan:
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Respectfully, you are out of your mind.
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I didnt write that.. it was an article on SF GATE from their columnist
November 18th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
think you named a team in your earlier post, the eagles ..just my opinion but I dont think branch was ever great. many college stars like mcclaln and huff never make the transition to the NFL. Our defense from top to bottom last year was horrible and they are horrible again even with a defensive minded coach. idk, mitchell, branch and mcclain will never be all pros imo, but its something we disagree on. when a team is giving up 30+ points a game , saying they are getting good coaching is a tough sell. I understand that, but i feel the middle of our defense is stupid and it kills us every year no matter who coached them
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How can you say “no matter who coached them” when all they have had is schitty coaches their entire careers? I have no doubt that if you take these players and disburse them to SF PITT BAL, they become all-pro players before your very eyes.
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.guess its the coaches fault when mcclain picks the wrong gap…
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OK just think for a min, was he picking the wrong gap playing for saban? no, and thats because he was well coached there.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit
Please accept my sincere apology.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
think you named a team in your earlier post, the eagles ..just my opinion but I dont think branch was ever great. many college stars like mcclaln and huff never make the transition to the NFL. Our defense from top to bottom last year was horrible and they are horrible again even with a defensive minded coach. idk, mitchell, branch and mcclain will never be all pros imo, but its something we disagree on. when a team is giving up 30+ points a game , saying they are getting good coaching is a tough sell. I understand that, but i feel the middle of our defense is stupid and it kills us every year no matter who coached them
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How can you say “no matter who coached them” when all they have had is schitty coaches their entire careers? I have no doubt that if you take these players and disburse them to SF PITT BAL, they become all-pro players before your very eyes.
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.guess its the coaches fault when mcclain picks the wrong gap…
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OK just think for a min, was he picking the wrong gap playing for saban? no, and thats because he was well coached there.
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no and jamarcus looked good too. the college game and nfl game are alot different with respect to speed. rolando is slow, that hurts him more in the NFL vs college imo
November 18th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
The team knows what players have made the roster for next season: Richard Seymour. Tyvon Branch. Carson Palmer. The guys that I have the most respect for: he was supposed to be given this week off and put his shell and hat on, and went out there against all hope: DHB. Marcel Reece might be one of the top four or five offensive players in the entire league. Give it up to Brandon Myers. Myers is all that. You really have to give it up to Burris and Wheeler. Both those guys gave it their all. Also, Mike Huff did everything asked of him. So there you have it: 10 guys. 10 guys. Out of 53. If I was one of the 43, I would start making other plans.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
The team knows what players have made the roster for next season: Richard Seymour. Tyvon Branch. Carson Palmer. The guys that I have the most respect for: he was supposed to be given this week off and put his shell and hat on, and went out there against all hope: DHB. Marcel Reece might be one of the top four or five offensive players in the entire league. Give it up to Brandon Myers. Myers is all that. You really have to give it up to Burris and Wheeler. Both those guys gave it their all. Also, Mike Huff did everything asked of him. So there you have it: 10 guys. 10 guys. Out of 53. If I was one of the 43, I would start making other plans.
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Intelligent and great observation. I’m with you buddy.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
youd cut dmoore?
November 18th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
The main issue is there is no superstar like TO to get in KNAPPS Face.. or one of the defensive coaches.. everyone is just like HERE WE GO AGAIN.. TIME TO CASH THE CHECK FOR DOING NOTHING.
Say what you want about TO he got paid.. but he still had fire and desire to WIN
November 18th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
…turn out the lights..the party’s over LMFAO!!!!!!
November 18th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Sorry. And Veldheer. Veldheer has been very very good this year. 11. Out of 53.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Half this team is saving themselves for tryouts with new teams next year…
It’s a big job site with 53 independant contractors each trying to save their on meal ticket…
this includes Mgmt…saying that RM and DA “have a contract” isn’t exactly a ringing endorsement, which neither of them deserve after this crap sandwich that has been served this season…
November 18th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
nycraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
youd cut dmoore?
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I loved Dmoore. But Denarious Moore is turning into Chokie Lee Higgins right in front of our eyes. He has gotten rocked a couple of times, and either the ability or will to play the game went out with those hits.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
NYCraider
You cannot compare a QB to a LB. The Quarterback position is different than all other positions. A LB reacts, a QB has to control everything. Lets not get foolish. McClain is a 3-4 linebacker playing a 4-3. JaMarcus was just dumb.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
OK just think for a min, was he picking the wrong gap playing for saban? no, and thats because he was well coached there.
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no and jamarcus looked good too. the college game and nfl game are alot different with respect to speed. rolando is slow, that hurts him more in the NFL vs college imo
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I know every great college player isnt gonna make that transition to the pros, but you brought up JR and I looked at his stats against the good teams he played and they werent good so I wasnt happy when we picked him, I wanted Megatron to me that pick was a no brainer. But Mcclain was pretty dam good his entire time at Bama and against very stout comp. playing for Al’s D didnt help him and Traver doesnt appear to be much better.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
when Mark Davis said he was patience wish Cork would have followed up to get a better definition of when his patience runs out
November 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Moore was targeted SEVEN TIMES. He had one reception for 9 yards. THAT, is terrible.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Raider O Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Fire Knapp!
Fire Tarver!
Fire Hoffman!
Fire the OL coach!
DA gets one more year and that’s it.
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I’d give Tarver a little more time. He’s had zero talent available and no defensive backfield. He was also stuck with McCheese. He was already dead on arrival. I think he has some talent & I’d like to see what he could do with 11 real starters.
as far as those other guys go, good riddance. Bring Wylie, Wiz 1.0, Wauffel and bones Fassell (if he’s available) back. Put Al Saunders at OC & play caller. hat would be a good start.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Denarious has a long way to slid before he becomes JLH…but, who do we turn to? Hagan has the block in the back that stalls out the 1st drive today and drops a catchable ball shortly after. This whole roster is in shambles, it was paper thin to start camp andthe injuries to Ford and now the backs have hurt production.
Still, did Ausbery see the field today?
Kid made a heck of a catch early on last week and gets nothing much after, why???
November 18th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
NYCraider
You cannot compare a QB to a LB. The Quarterback position is different than all other positions. A LB reacts, a QB has to control everything. Lets not get foolish. McClain is a 3-4 linebacker playing a 4-3. JaMarcus was just dumb.
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the topic was why was top college players not panning out, not a discussion about linebackers. If Mcclain was cut today imo no other team would pick him up. I agree, Mcclain has proved he cant play in the 4-3, so unless you want to play 3-4 hes not worth keeping around. I not convinced hed be good in the 3-4 at the nfl level anyway.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
DA would make a good high school football coach . Thats about it.
He should be coaching on FRIDAY NIGHTS
November 18th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Moore was targeted SEVEN TIMES. He had one reception for 9 yards. THAT, is terrible.
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yep he played bad today but is still our best WR
November 18th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Meanwhile Myers plays Volleyball with two passes, one the INT in the End Zone, yet he’s till a focal point of the offense…too much inconsistency from a staff that was talking accountability up until the games started counting.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Could’ves:
Had C. Woodson & N. Asomugha together when they were at their best;
Rogers instead of Fabian,
Fitzgerald io Gallery
Peterson or Megatron or anyone else instead of jamarcus,
Watts instead of Seymour,
Tebow instead of McClain
Gruden coaching the Raiders in the Super Bowl instead of against us.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Moore was targeted SEVEN TIMES. He had one reception for 9 yards. THAT, is terrible.
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Moore is not a problem he’s just in his second year and he already draws most of the D’s attn he just needs Ford back on the other side to take the pressure off.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
DA on’t have to pay for a fmeal or a drink at the Combine next year…all these coaches who are getting their teams ‘right’ by playing against DA’s inept Raider squad will be sure t take care of him at the restaurants and watering holes…
he’s their new favorite butt boy, they want him to stay on this gig s long as possible…
November 18th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I wonder what happened to DAV, havent heard from that guy in awhile.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Denarious has a long way to slid before he becomes JLH…
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See that’s the problem. He doesn’t. Higgins was a 3rd rounder that they gave some leeway. Moore is a 5th rounder that has looked completely out of it the last few weeks. Denarious Moore was as BAD a player as there is today in the entire league.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Real nice post by Riff. Worth repeating.
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Raider Riff Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
SAINTS REPORT
Once again, another game we let get away, and get away early.
Dropped TD passes in the endzone…. the 13th of the year if you count the pre season. On our second kick off return our returner has a huge hole, a sure TD, and he trips on a blade of grass. Thats 14 pts we should have had. By the time we finally score, we could have been up 21-7. But thanks to more poor route running by Denarius “I cant run my routes” Moore, we spot them another 7. Then we give up a 38 yard bomb on a 3rd and 13 that gives them another 7.
21-7 at the half. Except its the complete opposite of the way it should be.
This was a 7-4 football team that collapsed under Hue. He wanted to gut this team of the LOSERS but he made himself un-keep-able with his tirade at the end of the year and his idol worship of the late Al Davis.
So we go into 2012 with a nearly identical squad yet we have already started our collapse before we ever got going. Lets not act like we havent seen this team NOT SHOW UP before. Remember Miami and GB last year? They did it to Hue also.
So with that said, Im not ready to give up on the coaching staff yet. They arent the problem. Most of you wont agree with me but most of you cant differentiate between poor execution and poor play calling. Most of you have never played and couldnt break down film to save your life. When our team starts doing the basic stuff right, then we’ll start winning games.
Its been the same mistakes all year. Crappy WR play. Crappy O-Line play. And poor tackling and our LB’s missing gaps. It’s time to gut this thing. Heck, Im all for putting Pryor in at this point. For two reasons, save Palmer’s arm and secondly, lets see what we have in TP. No point in wasting him away in street clothes. We gain NOTHING by playing Palmer at this point and we lose a valuable time to evaluate Pryor for the future.
The only way I consider dumping this coaching staff is if Chucky is available. Thats it. Otherwise we stay the course. Its not our coaches faults that our players continually shoot themselves in the feet. Dumb penalties, missed assignments, poor gap control, missed tackles, timely fumbles, and dropped TD passes are all a massive fault of the players themselves.
Here are my suggestions to Reggie moving forward. Some of you will be VERY surprised by some of it as recent circumstances have caused me to change my stance on certain players…..
Players to keep moving forward, these are the stone cold locks to keep:
- CP3 (he’s not the problem, he’s having a career year, he’s a WR and a RT away from winning us a lot more games. We should have brought TO in. End of story)
- Pryor
- Wiz
- Goodson
- Reece
- Veldheer
- Bergstrom
- Ausberry
- SeaBass
- Burris
- Wheeler
- Huff (he’s a good #2 CB, replacing him while finding a #1 CB will be next to impossible)
- Branch
Everyone else is expendable at the right price. Dump DMC if we can get a 1st rounder for him or a 2nd & a 3rd. The Jets are dumb enough to do something like that. Goodson, Reece, and now that practice squad guy Stewart have all proved that despite schitty OLine play, DMC was part of the running woes. His field vision is poor and he lacks patience. You could argue that we need to go back to a Power Blocking Scheme. But that requires expensive lineman and a talented back like DMC that cant stay healthy. Sorry. But thats too expensive and too unreliable.
Seymore has played well but he’s going to retire and is just too expensive. Our WR core needs a major kick in the a55. Jacoby is always hurt and hates playing in the slot, he doesnt want to be here as a result. DHB has too many dropped balls for his playing time/paycheck to warrant. Denarius has caused a number of INTs due to his lack of focus and running of the wrong routes. Streater has dropped TDs and fumbled in the redzone too many times. Our WR core is so frustrating. They do so many things awesome and they all have these lil flaws that cost us big. If we could take those 4 guys and combine them into 2 guys we’d have Jerry Rice and Tim Brown again. Unfortunately we have the parts but as a whole, the sum of that group just doesnt add up. I hate saying it, but its the damn truth.
Briesel has been a huge bust. Our RT situation has been a major issue for years. Barnes must go. I dont care how, just get him the fvck out of a Raider uniform. The whole right side needs to take a hike. Lets stop putting lineman NOT in there natural positions. Wiz is a LG not a C. Bergstrom is a RT not a Guard. For fvcks sake.
Get us a real center. Move Wiz back to the left side and maybe Veldheer will start looking like the Veldheer we all came to love last year.
Missle Mike, your time has come and gone my friend. I always felt we should have developed him into a LB/S hybrid that was there to cover the TE’s. He’s good at it. But we’ve never done that with him. We tried to make him a Strong Safety and he cannot play that position. Im done waiting. Either use him to his limited strengths or just dump him. Yeah, dump him. He’s a liability on special teams as well.
Meyers… too many dropped TDs for my taste at this point. If we can upgrade at this position, do it. And that goes for a ton of positions. If we can upgrade, do it.
Lechler, gone. Too expensive. By simply dumping Lechler, Seymour, DMC, McClain, Mitchell, Briesel, Curry, and Kelly we will free up a TON of money and its not like our team will get any worse. All of those guys are easily replaceable.
We need (in this order)
1. Center (draft one to develop and pick one up in free agency)
2. Right Guard (draft one to develop and pick one up in free agency)
3. #1 CB (how we passed on Assante Samuel I just dont know)
4. a true #1 WR (by any means necessary. We could have had Moss and TO lined up this year and I highly doubt those two would have dropped so many balls and ran so many poor routes. Just sayin’)
5. two MLBs (one by draft and one by free agency)
6. switch to a 3-4. Our current DE’s are just not game changers and finding some stud DEs in the draft or in free agency might just be too expensive and difficult to pull off considering the other problems.
7. get a true #1 TE if Ausberry isnt the guy. We cant have a guy that drops TD passes. It just cant happen.
8. get a real Special Teams ace to return punts. Im tired of the bums we roll out there. They always fumble at the worst times.
Realistically we have about 11-13 guys who are worth keeping and 8-10 that MUST go. Everyone else should be on notice. If the coaching staff has lost this team, its time to evaluate who really wants to be here. Some of them obviously still dont get it. Al Davis isnt coming out of the grave to fire our coaching staff and tell the players it isnt there fault. Daddy isnt going to fix everything and make it all better. It’s gut check time. The scholarship days are fvcking done. I cant wait to see who gets their pink slips.
Until our O-Line is rebuilt from the right side, our WRs grow the fvck up, and we get a LOT better at the LB and DE positions, we will not be where we should be.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
One thing I disagree with Riff on is the lack of blame on the coaches. You mentioned yourself that we need to play our linemen at their natural positions. Coaches make these decisions, not players.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Raiders’ keepers for 2013:
Wisniewski, Reece, Vehldeer, Moore (only as #2 WR though, still need a no. 1), [as for DHB, Hagan, Streater, and Criner 2/4 competition, too much of a set back to cut/trade all] of them
November 18th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Moore was wide open deep over the middle, the ball was overthrown. I don’t remember Moore doing anything wrong this week. The problem with the offense is one thing. A LACK OF A RUNNING GAME! Which again can be attributed to COACHING and the ZBS. Palmer can’t keep throwing 45 times a game.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Keepers on O:
CP3,DMAC,DMOORE,REECE,AUZ,DHB,FORD,STREATER,CRINER,WIZ,VELDEER,STEWART,JONES,PRYOR.
Keepers on D:
HUFF,KELLY,BURRIS,WHEELER,SHONASTY,HOUSTON,MCCLAIN,DBRYANT,HANSON.
Everyone else can kick rocks as far as i’m concerned.
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I could agree with you offensive keepers. But, I’m, seeing some problems on defense. Specifically, McCheese will either be traded or cut at season’s end. I expect Kelly to be traded. Huff will do at CB for now but he’s not a long term solution. Hanson?
I expect Seymour will retire as will Carlisle.
As important to getting rid of the poor talent is removing Knapp, Pollack, Hoffman & Burns (both ST assistants). Terrell might also be a candidate if we could get Wauffel back.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Moore was targeted SEVEN TIMES. He had one reception for 9 yards. THAT, is terrible.
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Moore is not a problem he’s just in his second year and he already draws most of the D’s attn he just needs Ford back on the other side to take the pressure off.
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FORD AIN’T COMING BACK! If you want to talk about someone right now that might, (might?) have a future, bring up Criner. Criner was drafted by the current regime, and he has actually looked decent the last two weeks.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
I have to say I’m real surprised with just how awful our receivers are. DMoore with a terrible route early. Just awful. It was obvious he ran the route wrong.
And Meyers with that pop-up in the endzone? Folks, these are mistakes that are real tough to recover from. Good teams just don’t make these mistakes.
I’m sure it’s been talked about quite a bit already today, but bear with me as I just now got a chance to post, how about Reece being effective in the run game? Clearly DMAC isn’t our best option right now.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Players I’ll keep
QB Palmer, Leinart Pryor
RB McFadden Goodson Reece Schmit Stewart
WR DHB Moore Ford Streater Criner
TE Myers Ausberry Gordon
OL Veldeher Wiz, Bergstrom Nix
DL Houston Bryant Seymour Carter Bilukidi Shaughnesy
LB Curry Burris Wheeler
S Branch
CB Huff Hanson Bartell
K Jano
That’s 34, 19 to go sounds more realistic than dumping almost all the team like some people suggest.
November 18th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Defense keep:
Burris, Wheeler these two are the best lbs we’ve had in years, even if they’re backups on other squads;
Also keep Houston and Bryant at DTs; all others and I mean all others must go-retire, waive, trade, cut, unconditional release, don’t care just go
November 18th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Moore was targeted SEVEN TIMES. He had one reception for 9 yards. THAT, is terrible.
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That me explain this so you guys can understand it: If you extrapolate this to a team the passing numbers would look like this: 4 for 28 for 36 yards passing. For the game! Those numbers would be the WORST NUMBERS EVER!
November 18th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Our receivers are GREEN, GREEN, GREEN.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Jacoby Ford coming back and being healthy for a full season is a pipe dream. Forget about it.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Keep Ford as our Kickoff Return specialist and fifth WR.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
FORD WIIL BE BACK!!!!!
November 18th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
MOORE DHB out wide Ford in the slot.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Btw is Tollefson still a Raider, has he been injured, inactive, traded, waived, family leave, playing plants vs. zombies?
November 18th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22023583/monte-poole-oakland-raiders-latest-debacle-leaves-mark
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Yep.
Davis the rookie owner showed he was a rookie by being overzealous and telling his rookie GM to fire Hue Jackson waaaaaaaay to soon.
It is on you Mark Davis on why this team has regressed.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
backstageatapuppetshow Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
No mention of the fact that this ALL started by our Head Coach giving our TEAM a DAY OFF after a 2 wins against teams with a combined 2-18 record!
This is the start of the snowball that Owen Schmitt is referring to…
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Yep.
And some of you are surprised this is happening??
I told you all this team would not win more than 5 games this year.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Btw is Tollefson still a Raider, has he been injured, inactive, traded, waived, family leave, playing plants vs. zombies?
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Oh he has been out there, just once again, not very effectual.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
When you have as many players as we do out there, putting out the kind of production that we do, you lose games 45-10 or 55-17. It is time for most of you to realize that we are getting NO production, especially out of the players YOU GUYS LIKE!
November 18th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Well, it looks like we found our running back! reece is very shifty. he sidesteps quickly and skates thru traffic. he’s a big guy that would rather not get hit, kinda like larry holmes used to be as a boxer. he is patient and cuts up field when he sees the seam. looks like the end of dmc here. no way will they rush to get him back now and they can’t possibly forget about reece. stewart looks ok too. i would bring them and goodson back next season. bye bye dmc and taiwan.
fu@king myers. it should have been 3 td’s and 1 pick for palmer today. not that it would have mattered but at least our golden haired hero would have better stats.
if u listen closely, mark davis is pissed. he is not happy with the “regression”. he says they have contracts and will be here, but it seems he has a bit of his dad in him.
although, it also seems he’s admitting to having a different opinion about some people than his dad.
if this team continues to slide, we may see reggie and DA go bye bye. Mark is embarrassed and i don’t blame him.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Jacoby Ford coming back and being healthy for a full season is a pipe dream. Forget about it.
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Thank you. Not only as Ford NEVER been healthy, he’s never been productive!
November 18th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
obert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Well, it looks like we found our running back!
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Marcel Reece is an absolute stud. Thank You Marcel.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
with the state of the team, i hope they trade palmer to a team like the cardinals for picks. he’s gonna have a huge stats year and he could bring us some good picks. i like him as i’ve said, but having an older qb on a team like this is pointless.
trade palmer, dmc, mcclain. get some picks. bring in 30-40 new players next season.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
You guys ALL LOVE THE WRONG PLAYERS! You know who is a productive player: Richard Seymour. You know who isn’t? Jacoby Ford. or Denarious Moore. You know who IS a productive Player? Carson Palmer and DHB! You know who isn’t? McFadden.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Harbaugh changed S.F in one season, same players, ALL COACHING
Gruden took the Bucs who cold never win a playoff game to champs in one season, ALL COACHING
Peyton took an inept saints tan to Super Bowl champs in just a fewseasons, ALL COACHING
Jimmy Johnson 1-15 to 2 super bowls, and players admit they should have won 2 more but didnt after he left, ALL COACHING
Patriots were the joke of the NFL before Parcells got there, went to a super bowl. Pete carrol.sent them backwards, Bellicek shows up, need i say more, ALL COACHING
Tom Caughlin took a.talented but underachieving team when he got there to TWO S.B. wins. ALL COACHINGCOACHING
Bill Walsh…… Niners.were.garbage before he got there, ALL COACHING.
Cower had slash, and pick city odonnel as.QB, was still good for so many years, ALL COACHING
The exception to the rule is Ray Lewis, but he might as well be a coach cause Billick wasnt.that good.All these coaches coached hard, preached discipline and would get the very best out of their players. So no, lets no trade Dmac, Palmer or anybody that is good, lets get the right coach.
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Almost all of them didn’t have good records in their first years except for Harbaugh and Gruden who had great Defenses and told the offenses to play it safe an not turn it over
November 18th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
with the state of the team, i hope they trade palmer to a team like the cardinals for picks.
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Who then is the person, playing he most important position on the entire team? Leinert? You? Me?
November 18th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
our golden haired hero on pace for:
4856 yards/27 td’s
should have more with all the drops.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
DHB is a player though, come back after getting knocked out of games , plays through hamstring injuries , I don’t care about DMoore,always injured and saw him laughing on the sideline while the game was out of hands, some other players were there laughing around cut their asses now ,I don’t care how talented they’re
November 18th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Ford when healthy was productive, like Moore though nor big enough to be an every down player and play special teams.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
our golden haired hero on pace for:
4856 yards/27 td’s
should have more with all the drops.
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Was Mistic here all day today??
November 18th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Moore and ford f8ck em, they always laughing around even when the teams losing, ill go with DHb,Streeter,Criner and #1 FA Wr
November 18th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
with the state of the team, i hope they trade palmer to a team like the cardinals for picks.
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Who then is the person, playing he most important position on the entire team? Leinert? You? Me?
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tim tebow!!!
or get jimmy claussen and give him another shot.
or most likely get one in the draft early.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
alot of garbage time yards for CP3, I love the guy as our qb but alot fo his stats are meaningless.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
mistic nowhere in sight.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Like I said before , can’t say it enough, no pass rush means = we will never beat elite passing teams , didn’t do it last year , def can’t do it this year either
November 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
palmer and the offense in general really weren’t the problem today. it’s the defense. can’t stop anyone now. runs up the gut are like swiss cheese.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
and no pass rush at all.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
alot of garbage time yards for CP3, I love the guy as our qb but alot fo his stats are meaningless.
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Can you blame the guy ? His guys only get open when the other teams decide to play a little loose , been saying here since day 1 we got no #1
November 18th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
kirk cousins could be had from washington
November 18th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Horrible Oline , Horrible receivers and they always make stupid dumb mistakes at wrong times , last week we were doing fine on the first drive , they briesel stepped on Palmers foot on 4th and 1 , this week we’re moving the ball on first drive then some holding or false start and then 2 straight incompletions and punt
November 18th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
On the flip side sacks don’t necessarily lead to success either.
Prior to last yr. Raiders were in the top 3 in sacks two yr’s in a row i believe and got them nowhere.
It’s all about pressure and Raiders aren’t getting any…AT ALL.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
colt mccoy. matt moore.
we basically need to bring in a guy with some potential that could be had for cheap and he can compete with pryor.
i just don’t see the team improving enuff to take advantage of palmer’s presence.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Int in the end zone happened after the holding call on Streater , I can go on and on with dumb mistakes by this team
November 18th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
alot of garbage time yards for CP3, I love the guy as our qb but alot fo his stats are meaningless.
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Honestly, stats in football are really tough to read. You better know how to break down ENTIRE teams when you break down individual football stats. When I see Palmer, I see a very very very very good player. And who is going to take the reins, right now, that is better? I cannot think of anyone.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
our golden haired hero on pace for:
4856 yards/27 td’s
should have more with all the drops.
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Someone pointed out earlier he’s had THIRTEEN td passes dropped.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
colt mccoy. matt moore.
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I am better than Colt McCoy. Seriously.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
palmer and the offense in general really weren’t the problem today. it’s the defense. can’t stop anyone now. runs up the gut are like swiss cheese.
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O had its problems too Myers droped another td that resulted in an int, and cp3 threw another pick 6 and reece was almost the entire offense, I would say they had a few probs.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
On the flip side sacks don’t necessarily lead to success either.
Prior to last yr. Raiders were in the top 3 in sacks two yr’s in a row i believe and got them nowhere.
It’s all about pressure and Raiders aren’t getting any…AT ALL.
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Yeah, things like turnover differential and other stuff matter too and those were the years when we couldn’t stop a Ivy League runner from going HOF on us, teams barely needed to pass on us…but to beat elite Qb’s you need pass rush ,
November 18th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
tebow, claussen, mccoy, cousins, moore.
one of those guys and pryor competing to see if they have a future.
take a page outta al davis’s playbook. go get a former high rounder and see if a second chance might produce gold.
moore isn’t bad. we could trade dmc for moore, a 4th, and 6th rounder.
i never really liked mccoy but he was a 1st rounder. i did like claussen and he got a sh!t deal. cousins was a weird pick and is useless in washington.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Marcel’s production is an indictment on how badly Knapp is running this offense. Knapp has had this talented player all year and he has underutilized him. If DMAC was drawing so much of the opposing D’s attention, why wasn’t Knapp punishing them with Reece who presents a matchup problem. Knapp better not be back next year, unless they are making him the Gatorade coordinator.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Reece is our best receiver right now , you guys are learning now what I have been saying since forever that we have no #1 wr on the team,heck I wouldn’t even call any of these guys #2’s
November 18th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
our golden haired hero on pace for:
4856 yards/27 td’s
should have more with all the drops.
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Someone pointed out earlier he’s had THIRTEEN td passes dropped.
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probably. we just don’t have redzone guy. criner could emerge now.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Priorities next year from highest to lowest:
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1. Pass rushers
2. Secondary
3. Wide Receivers
4. Oline
5. Mlb
November 18th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
how cheap would tebow come? a 6th rounder? imagine tebow and pryor competing and even rotating at qb.
reece in the backfield. myers and ausberry in a 2 te system, which would help tebow and pryor a lot. it would sell tickets and it might work.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
u could have tebow and pryor in the game at the same time. use them as rb’s and wr’s.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
D just lacks so much talent , they are not good enough to defend both passing and running, one week they get burned on the ground , next week in the air and third they can’t stop neither , run game is more of defending your own gap, but when we sell out to stop the pass we get burned on the ground , when we trying to stop run like Balt game ,we get burned on deep passes
November 18th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
u wanna change the mentality around here. draft manti teo, and have tebow and prtor at qb. three really hard workers running sh!t. the attitudes would change in a hurry.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
palmer is really good, but what’s the point with this team? he’s got a few good years left. someone who thinks they’re a qb away might pay for him. this team needs PLAYERS. lots of ‘em. we need a draft haul like 12 players.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
I know many of you guys want to blame DA because he’s d oriented and his D sucks but you can’t really have a top D without legitimate pass rushers , you can always stop Matt Cassel and Blaine gabberts of the world with decent rush, and game plan but to beat guys like Brees , pressure upfront is #1 and you can’t blitz all the times either , you have to get natural pressure from ur front 4 , and we don’t have anybody that the opposing Oline fears
November 18th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
my only sure keepers:
pryor
reece
goodson
stewart
moore
dhb
streeter
criner
myers
ausberry
veldheer
wiz
bergstrom
bryant
bilukidi
shaugnessy
houston
crawford
wheeler
burris
king
seabass
condo
that’s 23. we need 30 more.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
I would stick with Palmer, if they can get a #1 receiver and better Oline… And if they can get 2 players always threat to get a sack and 1 good secondary ballhawk and MLB , otherwise there’s no point wasting his talents in here
November 18th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
mark davis said it pretty clearly though. regression. and he doesn’t like it. that’s a big statement to say to the press. when ur owner says those words, does it mean jobs are safe? or do people start getting nervous?
November 18th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Well time for another seeking wait, I’m really looking forward to offseason , Knapp should be fired first day after the last game or better this week, they need to send sum kinda message , tired of seeing guys laugh around after losses
November 18th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
I would stick with Palmer, if they can get a #1 receiver and better Oline… And if they can get 2 players always threat to get a sack and 1 good secondary ballhawk and MLB , otherwise there’s no point wasting his talents in here
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that’s my point. i was really happy when we got him. i think he’s been heroic to put up the numbers he’s had, while constantly under immediate pressure, always throwing while falling back, cuz the pressure is there so quick, and playing with a hodgepodge of young, not-quite-there receivers. if we can get some good picks, he might need to be traded. i mean we really need to go into the drafts with 12 picks. a couple in each round. just an influx of new talent.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Gnite Dr Robert ,don’t stress too much, time to move onto important things in life, these guys don’t owe anything to us
November 18th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
i think knapp and tarver and hoffman all should go. now. if DA wants to save his azz, he needs to chop some heads and not go stagnant. if this team continues this way for the next 6 games, it will be to the point where ticket sales will slump, team morale will suffer, and we will be 3-13!
November 18th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
later mcfadden20.
November 18th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
I would stick with Palmer, if they can get a #1 receiver and better Oline… And if they can get 2 players always threat to get a sack and 1 good secondary ballhawk and MLB , otherwise there’s no point wasting his talents in here
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that’s my point. i was really happy when we got him. i think he’s been heroic to put up the numbers he’s had, while constantly under immediate pressure, always throwing while falling back, cuz the pressure is there so quick, and playing with a hodgepodge of young, not-quite-there receivers. if we can get some good picks, he might need to be traded. i mean we really need to go into the drafts with 12 picks. a couple in each round. just an influx of new talent.
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I really like him to succeed here, he kinda embraced this team, and would love to see him throwin to better receivers behind a better o line and with better D , but I wouldn’t be mad to see him gone to a better team if we can’t give him better support
November 19th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Tarver is fine man, you really can’t do anything with out talented pass rushers , I would give him some chance with better players on that side, but knapp and st coach he should be cut right now
November 19th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Later man nite
November 19th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Raider O Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Facts:
1- OUR OL WAS BETTER LAST YEAR.
2- OUR STAR RB REGRESSED UNDER KNAPP.
3- WE HAVE A BETTER QB THIS SEASON, AND WE ARE SCORING LESS POINTS.
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! What QB do you see on the field because he’s thrown more yards and less points.
2. Jason Campbell had a better record then Crybaby!
3. Better coaching last three years than this one.
4. Patience is not a virtue, but winning sure helps!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:16 am
here’s an example of stupidity:
adams has returned 21 punts for a 5.8 yard average. but that includes his 47 yarder.
on his other 20 returns, he is averaging 3.7!!!
and there’s the fumbles and the fact he caught a kick inside the 5.
and he’s still back there.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:03 am
who can roll with this draft?
Geno Smith, QB, W.Virginia
Dion Jordan, OLB/DE, Oregon
Margus Hunt, DE, SMU
Kwame Geathers, DT, Georgia
Braden Hansen, OG, BYU
Robert Alford, CB, S.E. Louisiana
FA – Conner Barwin, DE/OLB
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB
o r Nnamdi Asomugha, CB
ILB Rey Maualuga
November 19th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
my only sure keepers:
pryor
reece
goodson
stewart
moore
dhb
streeter
criner
myers
ausberry
veldheer
wiz
bergstrom
bryant
bilukidi
shaugnessy
houston
crawford
wheeler
burris
king
seabass
condo
that’s 23. we need 30 more.
1. Geno Smith, Dion Jordan, Margus Hunt, Kwame Geathers, Robert Alford, CB
Conner Barwin, , Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, Rey Maualuga
UDFA/Prac squad carry overs from 2012 season
UDFA; Kejuan Riley, S, Alabama St., , Glenville St., Kendall Gaskins, FB, Richmond, Luke Marquardt, OT, Azuza-Pacific, Baker Steinkuhler, DE, Nebraska, Michael Bowie, OT, Northeastern St., T.J. Barnes, NT, G.Tech, Ricardo Allen, CB, Andrei Lintz, TE, Wash. St. Antavious Edison, WR, Purdue, DL Paul Kruger, Utah, Collin Kelly, OT, Oregon St., Ray Ray Armstrong, S, Faulkner,
practice squad holdovers; Mickey Shuler, TE, Jason Foster, OG, Kaelin Burnett, LB, Chimdi Chekwa, Jason Slowey, T, Jeremy Stewart, RB, Brandon Bair, DL, Duke Calhoun, WR, Zach Hurd, OL, Mario Kurn, LB.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:26 am
personally, I was happy to hear Mark Davis sound intelligent as far as our team and expectations go.
He laid it out as I would have myself, he knows we are a ways away from being a good team. He sounded lucid and realistic, which I am glad for because the last thing we need is a wacko owner who is going to freak out and do crazy things beside stay the course and build.
Just my humble opinion.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:29 am
how about Reese rushing for over a hundred and averaging a good gain per carry? Why couldn’t McFadden do that?
what could we get for McFadden now in a trade, I think it’s worth it.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:31 am
we need to draft…
Oline, Dline, and then LB’s and DB’s who are good on Special teams, especially someone who can return kicks and punts.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:32 am
the offense is fine…outside the Oline.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:34 am
Reese rushing for a hundred is indicative of the ZBS, it doesn’t matter who is your running back.
November 19th, 2012 at 2:36 am
and Palmer is quality at QB…hear that Mistic?
November 19th, 2012 at 3:49 am
I think Mark davis is pretty realistic about the state of the Raiders and it’s just as hard for him to sit and watch that utterly disgraceful performance as it was for us. That being said the thing that makes it feel hopeless is that we are regressing and that is on the coaching staff. Like I said before the players that are gonna lead the turnaround are not on this roster yet
November 19th, 2012 at 4:50 am
Just a few quick observations after today’s game.
C.Palmer was woeful, but the thing that was most disconcerting about him today….his arm strength was noticeably substandard. I cant count how many times he under-threw or sprayed the ball, or didn’t get enough zip on a quick out that led to interceptions and defensed passes.
The defense was pretty bad again. But Tarver persisting with the deep safety blitzes that do nothing whatsoever. Him and Knapp are both too predictable and one-trick ponies.
Taiwan Jones did alright as a ball-carrier, but got blown right up in pass-protection (vilma).
The OL was pathetic too. Can’t count how many times they seeped, at the very snap of the ball DL/LB getting into the backfield.
Trade DMC. Reece as bell-cow. They’ve got to be careful not over-working him tho. McFadden never did this much before either — carrying so many times and having to run a ton of routes too.
Taiwan/Stewart should get more carries if they’re going to throw to Reece so often as well as carry so often. Again, highlights Knapp’s deficiency that he throws everything into one or two players, and doesn’t know how to utilize a wide array of other players at the same time.
Good to see Mark Davis show some anger and call out the GM and coaching staff. I was right with all my pre-game rants the other night.
November 19th, 2012 at 4:59 am
The night is darkest before the dawn.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:02 am
I watched that Mark Davis interview. He really didn’t seem angry like everyone is saying. People are looking too much into his comments.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:03 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 2:34 am
Reese rushing for a hundred is indicative of the ZBS, it doesn’t matter who is your running back.
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It sort of matters. It matters if the RB can’t run in the ZBS like McFadden.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:05 am
Horrible…
Three strikes and your out. This is Joe Bugle / Art Shell 2 bad. With the exception of Marcel R. this was a horror show. It easily could have been another 40+ smack down too xcept the saints eased up towards to end. Our 17 is really 10. And that’s 10 against the “worst” defense. This thing has got to be burned down. Especially our ever so special special teams. Who is coaching that? To me that’s the final injustice even when we’ve been bad we could count on some average play there…. Not this year. They flat out $UCK. Mark please burn it down now or sell.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:06 am
If Allen was fired, which I don’t think he will be, and David Shaw were hired, I wonder if Shaw would keep Tarver.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:10 am
Dr_robert Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
how cheap would tebow come? a 6th rounder? imagine tebow and pryor competing and even rotating at qb.
reece in the backfield. myers and ausberry in a 2 te system, which would help tebow and pryor a lot. it would sell tickets and it might work.
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You would have to have a real good defense to make that offense work. We don’t have a good defense. I also don’t think that Tebow would sell tickets in Oakland. It might actually hurt ticket sales.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:19 am
My rant btw entailed this point…
Another hammering should result in Mark applying pressure on Reggie to apply pressure on Allen to make drastic sweeping changes.
Almost every facet and wrinkle of what’s being coached this year isn’t working, worse than not working actually, flat out atrocious. So to continue doing that, which is evident of that Allen coachspeak of “have to go back to the film and improve,” is insane. There’s no longer any justification to continue doing almost everything that is being done and being coached. Only drastic sweeping changes (coaching staff) is the next step.
And if Allen does not make drastic changes, then his and Reggie’s jobs are on the line. Seems to me Mark is saying he’s patient and wants to see improvement this year. But if things keep going downhill, then there’s a slight chance he could actually fire them both.
Like what the Buccaneers had to do last year after Raheem Morris…fired the entire coaching staff. Like what is going to happen in Philadelphia end of this season, and probably Cleveland. The same thing could HAVE TO happen in Oakland IF things continue to regress as they are….because there’s no way such a coaching staff can come back next year with this roster.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:20 am
Reggie’s job is not on the line. He will be here a few more years at least.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:23 am
Reggie is safe. But for sure the entire coaching staff could be removed IF things continue to regress. You’ve lost the players, the players can see you’re being outcoached and out of your depth. They just take their orders, follow the gameplans, etc. So, if we continue to regress there’s no way the returning roster can play for such a coaching staff and HC.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:27 am
“I think when you look at it, it’s really the whole thing you’ve got to get better at.” Dennis Allen.
That’s pure genius! This guy is a f’ing genius!
November 19th, 2012 at 5:27 am
Allen has to really gather himself now and do everything to save his career. His future is on the line, not just in Oakland but as a HC in the NFL (see McDaniels/Kiffin). Either he has the cajones, or he doesn’t and goes down with the co-ordinators and position coaches he tied himself to.
“Staying the course” and “looking for improvement” WITHIN the atrocity of everything that is being coached/done is not the right path to take for Allen.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:28 am
I know this team needs continuity, but if they keep getting blown out, Allen may have to go. I would love if they could hire David Shaw from Stanford.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:06 am
If Allen was fired, which I don’t think he will be, and David Shaw were hired, I wonder if Shaw would keep Tarver.
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Would Shaw keep Tarver or would he simply replace Knapp with the Cardinals’ Ray Horton – Whisenhunt may be gone, and Raiders could make a play on that staff’s coaches…..
November 19th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Maybe Seymour is better than we think. With him out of the lineup, it’s gotten real ugly on defense.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:31 am
Would Shaw keep Tarver or would he simply replace Knapp with the Cardinals’ Ray Horton – Whisenhunt may be gone, and Raiders could make a play on that staff’s coaches…..
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The Cardinals are playing pretty well considering that they have no QB or RB.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:31 am
I actually hope he fails so we can get a better HC, who then hires a better staff of coaches. There is no way this team improves under Allen. He is the HC after all, everything falls under his watch, power, system, plan.
And Reggie needs to bite the bullet as the commander of the football operations department. He, like Dennis, can’t continue to try to avoid looking like they admit they made mistakes.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Accutane franchise?
Dalton is a back-up?
JR is the greatest and we should bring him back?
Someone has been drinking
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VanHeathen30 Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Half this team is saving themselves for tryouts with new teams next year…
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There may be one or two like dmac but everyone else has to play as hard as they can so someone will invite them to a training camp. Players on losing teams cannot tank it, maybe one or two with no pride but that’s it.
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hahahahaRd8ray tell me you didn’t say that to your wife
Maybe they can give you the bomb @$$ pu$$y you wish you had!
November 19th, 2012 at 5:34 am
GG Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:27 am
Allen has to really gather himself now and do everything to save his career. His future is on the line, not just in Oakland but as a HC in the NFL (see McDaniels/Kiffin). Either he has the cajones, or he doesn’t and goes down with the co-ordinators and position coaches he tied himself to.
“Staying the course” and “looking for improvement” WITHIN the atrocity of everything that is being coached/done is not the right path to take for Allen.
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The irony really is – Knapp ended Allen’s career, if D.A. really selected Greg Knapp as his OC. The defense played decently , but as injuries mounted the defense declined following the Falcon game, and the offense couldnt keep up.
I would use the Rex Ryan litmus test in the same way. Any good d-coordinator can two things very well as a coach: 1. Design defensive game plans, and 2. get his team to play hard when their backs are against the wall. – i think we saw signs of that, and there have been scrub teams that have pulled out shockers – ex. Jacksonville’s 9-7 win over the Baltimore Ravens on MNF last year.
Allen is playing for his job – i could see him going down right along with the position coach he has tied himself to – because, “he was too inexperienced” one and done could never really be second guessed, because McKenzie wants to save HIS JOB as well – on the next go around – the aformentioned Ryan, Whisenhunt, Turner and a few other retreads are around, not to mention the shadow of Chucky (who was at the O.Co. Coliseum)
November 19th, 2012 at 5:36 am
Hey, how about Rex Ryan?
November 19th, 2012 at 5:43 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:31 am
Would Shaw keep Tarver or would he simply replace Knapp with the Cardinals’ Ray Horton – Whisenhunt may be gone, and Raiders could make a play on that staff’s coaches…..
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The Cardinals are playing pretty well considering that they have no QB or RB.
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ok..
scenario 1
Rex Ryan comes in as head coach – connection being Joey Clinkscales (current scouting coordinator under R.McKenzie)
scenario 2
David Shaw comes in as head coach – son of coordinator Willie Shaw, former Raider assistant and keeps it Bay Area – has an advance amount of scouting material on Pac-12/college talent
scenario 3
Dennis Allen returns, but with a revamped staff including EXPERIENCED, known, proven coordinators; Ken Whisenhunt, Andy Reid (although, he’s likely to get head coaching offers or may skip 2013 altogether), Curtis Modkins (OC of the Bills – who led their rush attack to the highest per carry average and led Arizona’s rush game to higher stats as well).
a few others are out there, as well.
replace Jason Tarver? How about John Pagano? (if the Chargers break up staff if Norv is fired, the brother of Chuck Pagano (who was with the Raiders) might be a nice pick-up and he wouldnt have to move far.
at any rate, its early speculation …. lets see if Allen can get blowout wins or moderately good victories v. KC and Cleveland….
November 19th, 2012 at 5:44 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:36 am
Hey, how about Rex Ryan?
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see 347 – that could be an interesting one…..
November 19th, 2012 at 5:45 am
#345 good post.
Yep, Knapp is a coach killer.
Also, good post somewhere earlier in this blog when someone mentioned how Hue as an offensive background coach got the offense ranked in the top 10 in his two years here. While Allen as a defensive background coach has steered one of the worst Raiders defenses ever, if not the worst ever.
As they said, that does indeed say a lot.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Scenario 3 unlikely…the experienced coaches working as co-ordinators under Allen. They’re all good enough to find HC work. But 3 could work in the same way Hue was brought in as an OC…as an extended 17 week interview for the to-be-vacant HC position.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Currently the Raiders would have the #5 or #6 pick in the draft. I think they could get to #3.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:57 am
GG Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:48 am
Scenario 3 unlikely…the experienced coaches working as co-ordinators under Allen. They’re all good enough to find HC work. But 3 could work in the same way Hue was brought in as an OC…as an extended 17 week interview for the to-be-vacant HC position.
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what i was thinking was Dennis Allen; HC, Curtis Modkins in as oc primarily to get the running game back, with an experienced QB coach off-coordinator/assistant (likely Al Saunders) to get Palmer to be more efficient and keep his attempts low. John Pagano as DC – and get Wiz 1.0 BACK HERE ASAP – blow out Frank Pollack, ASAP,
anyway, too early to speculate.
i’m hoping Allen can find some way to get them back to Jacksonville-Atlanta consistency on defense, but its too difficult to tell if injuries have mounted and they have regressed due to lack of depth
November 19th, 2012 at 6:01 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Currently the Raiders would have the #5 or #6 pick in the draft. I think they could get to #3.
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bad position. impossible to trade out of, and suspect draft at QB. a lot of depth but a lot of juniors/teases that have come from dominant defenses with PLENTY of starting talent around them – whats interesting, is could the Raiders take the best player overall, rather than a pass rusher – like Keenan Allen, if Allen is a pro-bowl level talent, vs. a specialist type rusher (Holloman/Barkevious Mingo)
or do they go DT with Johnanthan Hankins or roll dice on Geno Smith?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:03 am
I’m gonna make a prediction and say Palmer wont return as starting QB next year. What I saw of him today, his arm looks on the wane.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:06 am
GG, i hate to say it, but better too early, then too late.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1405745-2013-nfl-mock-draft-updating-week-11-projections-and-team-needs
“Given this scenario in April, the Raiders would have an easy decision to make. While Chance Warmack, Taylor Lewan or Dee Milliner might be more clearly determined needs, Te’o is the best player on the board and could step in immediately in replacing Rolando McClain at the MIKE position.
Te’o is an ideal leader and one of the most athletic inside linebackers to enter the draft in a long time. His ability on first, second and third down will make him an instant star in the Raiders’ 4-3 defense”
Bleacher Report;
November 19th, 2012 at 6:12 am
Or they could trade down for more draft picks.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Given what happened yesterday, the Raiders are probably the 2nd worst team in the league.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Good morning Nation!!!
Not sure WTF I was watching yesterday! terrible!
But…good news is i was home at 5:30 yesterday evening!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:12 am
Or they could trade down for more draft picks.
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good idea – would the Panthers want Johnathan Hankins at 3, and would that allow us to trade down to them at 7 or 9? (Dee Milliner, CB, Demontre Moore, OLB/DE) – would the Panthers give us their 2nd round pick for us moving down to 7-9
that could yield, S Kenny Vaccarro, Stanford ILB Shane Skov, Huskies CB Desmond Trufant or QB E.J. Manuel of Florida St.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:18 am
I saw some things I liked yesterday but it seems we rarely if ever catch a break. Everytime we make something happen we give up a huge play.
If special teams were a B instead of a D- we would not be getting blown out
November 19th, 2012 at 6:18 am
Good Morning Hawaiian Raider
I know how you feel. I got up off the couch and found the need to do some chores and hang out with the family in the other room for long stretches. It was obvious it was going to be another one of those games. I just can’t stomach 3 straight blowouts. It’s too much punishment. I’m loyal to a fault, but not a masochist either.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:20 am
This group won’t have any clue who to draft.
Case in point Marcel Reece.
Reggie nickled and dimed Marcel before signing. So we will give Reggie the benefit of doubt
and say cap issues were the prob there. Fine.
Fact is Marcel should have been part of every game plan. Not just bring him after DMAC and Goodsen go down. A blind man could see it.
This group is flat out bad – from the owner on down and you can bet players are ready to leave. There is no leadership, no spark. I fear Mark will ’stay’ the course, in part because the old man never did. But that’s a mistake in this instance because there is no core to build on. Carson is no leader – just a cliche man like Allen. I bet they an talk at each other for an hour and say nothing. 9-7?!?!? Right….
November 19th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Bellacheat is a huge arsehole. He likes blowing teans out and gronk got hurt late.
I hope Brady gets hurt late in the next blowout and put the pats out for good.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:22 am
I can’t seem to step away when the Raiders are getting blown out. I like to experience every excruciating moment. Maybe I’m a masochist.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Nightmare scenario: Mark Davis fires Reggie and decides that he wants to be the GM just like his dad.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Potential wins on the schedule: Bengals (only because of Palmer), Browns, Chiefs, Panthers, and Chargers
Realistically, they might win 2 of those.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Another lost season makes a complete decade of futility. Remember the monikers they used to use for NFL teams? “Team of the decade”?
My eldest child is 11 yo. I have 4 in all. All 4 collective lifetimes of asking, “do the Raiders ever win daddy?”
SMH
November 19th, 2012 at 6:27 am
DA is overmathced and doesnt have a clue what hes doing. He’s responsible for Tarver-DC and Knapp-OC. Denvers def was not that great with him at DC. The Texans are better w/o Knapp. And Stanfords def looks light years better w/o Tarver. There arent any trades,drafts or F/A that we can do in the off season that will fix this. I do believe that if we do not look better by the end of this season…that the Raiders will look into another direction…the regression after Hue is toooo steeeep!!!
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit by Marks tone…that we could wind up with attempt at Gruden or even Andy Reid. in order for DA to stay the team will have to show better that this…even teams that claim they are rebuilding dont look and get beat this bad…theres issues with these players body language and all and this aint good…its coaching!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:28 am
This is extremely optimistic, but they do not have a tough schedule. If everything went right for them, they could go 5-1 or 4-2 down the stretch.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:29 am
MarcusAllen Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:20 am
This group won’t have any clue who to draft.
Case in point Marcel Reece.
Reggie nickled and dimed Marcel before signing. So we will give Reggie the benefit of doubt
and say cap issues were the prob there. Fine.
Fact is Marcel should have been part of every game plan. Not just bring him after DMAC and Goodsen go down. A blind man could see it.
This group is flat out bad – from the owner on down and you can bet players are ready to leave. There is no leadership, no spark. I fear Mark will ’stay’ the course, in part because the old man never did. But that’s a mistake in this instance because there is no core to build on. Carson is no leader – just a cliche man like Allen. I bet they an talk at each other for an hour and say nothing. 9-7?!?!? Right….
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I think Mark deferred to McKenzie, then McKenzie simply let Allen pick his own staff, allowing Reg to focus on scouting – once the fit hits the shan, Davis responded, and depending on how the players react to Allen – it could be a one and done
if he didnt give Hue a chance, why would he give a less experienced HC…at some point, McKenzie has to cut his losses, too or he’s out of here as well.
Palmer doesnt have to lead, he just has to score and he needs a running game to keep his attempts down, and a defense.
Name one QB coming in the draft or in free agency that could do better with Palmers supporting cast…
Barkley?
Geno Smith?
Mark Sanchez? (yes he’s probably out of NY)
Tyler Wilson?
Tyler Bray?
E.J. Manuel?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Ddwight Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:27 am
DA is overmathced and doesnt have a clue what hes doing. He’s responsible for Tarver-DC and Knapp-OC. Denvers def was not that great with him at DC. The Texans are better w/o Knapp. And Stanfords def looks light years better w/o Tarver. There arent any trades,drafts or F/A that we can do in the off season that will fix this. I do believe that if we do not look better by the end of this season…that the Raiders will look into another direction…the regression after Hue is toooo steeeep!!!
Wouldn’t surprise me one bit by Marks tone…that we could wind up with attempt at Gruden or even Andy Reid. in order for DA to stay the team will have to show better that this…even teams that claim they are rebuilding dont look and get beat this bad…theres issues with these players body language and all and this aint good…its coaching!!!
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Hell how about Gruden AND Andy Reid!!!?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:30 am
I want the Raiders to draft Landry Jones if they can pick up a 2nd round pick, or in the third if he falls that far.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:28 am
This is extremely optimistic, but they do not have a tough schedule. If everything went right for them, they could go 5-1 or 4-2 down the stretch.
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Fuggedaboutit!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Andy Reid will be a head coach somewhere.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:31 am
If the DL could apply any pressure to the QB, things would be a lot different for this defense. Not one single person on this DL should be starting in the NFL. Garbage.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Exactly if he didn’t give Hue a chance(who had a much better resume than Allen), why does DA get a pass?
I don’t want another coaching change, but admit your wrongs, get a guys the players will follow & let’s hope Reggie can spot talent
November 19th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Plunketthead Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Bellacheat is a huge arsehole. He likes blowing teans out and gronk got hurt late.
I hope Brady gets hurt late in the next blowout and put the pats out for good.
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Really class move, showing Luck that its still “Brady’s era” – pundits were saying how stupid it was to leave them in the game.
They’re going to get whats coming to them, just as the Ravens will for that b.s. fake FG stunt they pulled.
Kind of stuff that gets people hurt unintentionally and occasionally intentionally.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Nightmare scenario: Mark Davis fires Reggie and decides that he wants to be the GM just like his dad.
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Never happen cuz Mark is smart enough to know he doesn’t know personnel…That said his insistence on firing Hue was a major mistake IMO
November 19th, 2012 at 6:34 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Exactly if he didn’t give Hue a chance(who had a much better resume than Allen), why does DA get a pass?
I don’t want another coaching change, but admit your wrongs, get a guys the players will follow & let’s hope Reggie can spot talent
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more like, better coaches will surface if Arizona, Philly, Buffalo and San Diego break up and free some assistants. When better coaches show up, Allen simply will be shuffled off (to save face)
November 19th, 2012 at 6:34 am
Just Win Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:31 am
If the DL could apply any pressure to the QB, things would be a lot different for this defense. Not one single person on this DL should be starting in the NFL. Garbage.
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Tarver is clueless…he cannot install the schemes that will generate a pass rush!!! When he was at Stanford were they known fro there Def!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:36 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Nightmare scenario: Mark Davis fires Reggie and decides that he wants to be the GM just like his dad.
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Never happen cuz Mark is smart enough to know he doesn’t know personnel…That said his insistence on firing Hue was a major mistake IMO
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No, he let coaches convince him they had the talent to win, and didnt analyze the incoming assistants (OC Knapp in particular)
November 19th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Ddwight Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:34 am
Just Win Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:31 am
If the DL could apply any pressure to the QB, things would be a lot different for this defense. Not one single person on this DL should be starting in the NFL. Garbage.
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Tarver is clueless…he cannot install the schemes that will generate a pass rush!!! When he was at Stanford were they known fro there Def!!!
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no personnel, and speed rush is a premium in the scheme Tarver wants to run – you need more role players…maybe Omar Gaither shows something, but they need more substitution patterns to keep those bandit rushers and blitzes hot.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:39 am
I predicted 4-12. We are on pace for that. Knew it when DA brought Tarver and Knapp to the staff!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:42 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my GreenParty brothers !!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:43 am
I hear ya Guest! It’s been way too long since I left in the 4th qtr! I am one to stay til the end but my frined left from the start of the 4th…lol, I stayed until they scored a td at the end, then walked out!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:44 am
still trying to get over that loss and a mind splitting hang-over !!
not a good Monday for the O.D.B. lol lol lol
November 19th, 2012 at 6:46 am
MIKE,
Just go get a world clock and pretend you are in the country that it’s 4:20. Then wake and bake. lol
November 19th, 2012 at 6:46 am
ddwight Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:39 am
I predicted 4-12. We are on pace for that. Knew it when DA brought Tarver and Knapp to the staff!!!
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There hirings, proved DA’s incompetence from the beggining,,,with his friendly knack of smiling hobknobbing with the like of Fox and other coaches after getting shellacked.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:48 am
That would be so frustrating to exit the coliseum at the end of a blowout loss. That’s a long walk to the parking lot, and a lot of upset folks gunning their engines to get home. I’m sure it only compounds the misery.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:49 am
lol Guest.. its 420 somewhere !!
and he11 yeah a wake and bake is a GREAT start to getting rid of a hang-over !!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 am
Mark Davis made mention that he “knew this wasn’t a team that could compete for the Superbowl”. Credit his honesty, but that’s the talk of a loser. His old man Al would never have talked that way or been so candid, even if it were truth. Al was all about Winning or nothing.
Some things are better left unsaid.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Nothing about this defense should be retained next year. NOTHING. Any players defensively that carry over to next year should be back ups. I would rather have a cast of 11 new starters who suck because they are young/learning a new scheme than these losers who celebrate tackles after 9 yard gains when you are losing by 3 TDs (see Mike Mitchell) or players who get injured every time they blow their assignment (Matt Giordano) or players who are just completely invisible (did ANYONE on the defensive line play yesterday?)
November 19th, 2012 at 6:52 am
I think everyone involved with our defense should be promoted… to fan.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:55 am
I still think my 6-10 prediction comes true. I think we beat KC at home, Cle at home and I think we beat SD at their place which is like a home game.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:56 am
How about the Raiders take a bus ride across the bridge tonight to see some real defense being played? (on both sides).
November 19th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Raiders need to stop the coaching carasoul? or they may never get a big name coach to commit along with a good staff.
Best bet imo is tarver and Hoffman go at the seasons end. I just hope DA improves when he gets more of the players that fit him and his style.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:00 am
All our remaining games are tough. Everyone seems to bring their A game when they play us. When was the last time we dominated and won easily? Two games in a row? against good teams?
Panthers beat TB for three quarters and almost won.
KC & SD always play us tough at home and usually beat us. KC sure did better with the Ravens then we did.
Bengals are a better club then us and the Browns may be worse but not by much.
My expectations are 3-3 and I would flip a coin as to which ones we win or lose.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:01 am
guest123 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 am
Mark Davis made mention that he “knew this wasn’t a team that could compete for the Superbowl”. Credit his honesty, but that’s the talk of a loser. His old man Al would never have talked that way or been so candid, even if it were truth. Al was all about Winning or nothing.
Some things are better left unsaid.
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In fairness, I remember distinctly Al saying exactly that in regard to Lane Kiffin’s team. It was during a rare interview he did following the Kiffin/Cable 1st yr. where Lance was fired and Cable took over.
I was surprised when he said it. It was the first time I had heard him say something other than that Raiders should/could go all the way in a season.
Granted it was AFTER the yr. was over though.
Maybe that’s what you meant.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Oh great news from yesterday, all charges against McClain have been dropped. Yawn… apparently this guy is as good at being invisible in the eyes of the law as he is on a football field.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:05 am
It’s not that I believe in snap judgments and instant firings on the coaching carousel, but Allen and staff across the board have been a huge step back in every facet from last year. They aren’t incrementally better at anything. The entire team is in regression. That’s what I think Mark Davis is worried about. We haven’t been a competitive football club now in weeks. Injuries have hurt us, but every team deals with injuries. The difference is how we respond to adversity. We never get up off the mat. We get punched in the face and our instinct is to recoil instead of fight back. This is the main reason to get rid of the entire coaching staff and start from scratch. The learning curve for this staff is never going to ramp up. It’s better to recognize a turd when you see it and admit it and move on. Loyalty to this staff in any form would be misguided and a terrible mistake that would compound a decade of futility.
Time to clean house!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:07 am
In fairness, I remember distinctly Al saying exactly that in regard to Lane Kiffin’s team. It was during a rare interview he did following the Kiffin/Cable 1st yr. where Lance was fired and Cable took over.
I was surprised when he said it. It was the first time I had heard him say something other than that Raiders should/could go all the way in a season.
Granted it was AFTER the yr. was over though.
Maybe that’s what you meant.
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I remember that. And that bothered me. But it wasn’t halfway thru the season. It’s like waving the white flag and it ain’t over yet. Well now it’s over.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:07 am
guest123 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:05 am
It’s not that I believe in snap judgments and instant firings on the coaching carousel, but Allen and staff across the board have been a huge step back in every facet from last year. They aren’t incrementally better at anything. The entire team is in regression. That’s what I think Mark Davis is worried about. We haven’t been a competitive football club now in weeks. Injuries have hurt us, but every team deals with injuries. The difference is how we respond to adversity. We never get up off the mat. We get punched in the face and our instinct is to recoil instead of fight back. This is the main reason to get rid of the entire coaching staff and start from scratch. The learning curve for this staff is never going to ramp up. It’s better to recognize a turd when you see it and admit it and move on. Loyalty to this staff in any form would be misguided and a terrible mistake that would compound a decade of futility.
Time to clean house!
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Absolutely Agree!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:09 am
#55 is a cancer and if we have to take a huge cap hit, so be it. But he can’t be a Raider next year.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:09 am
My take is this…I agree with what Bcz has said earlier…probably need to clean house, but on the field. These guys have had that loser menatality for so long that I am beginning to think that no matter if Dick Lebeau comes here…none of these guys will get it!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Kids, I was there,..it was ugly,…the salt in the wound was Jon lighting that torch…on the other hand, hes in town until Tuesday morning…gives Mark and Amy 24 hours from now to give him EVERYTHING he wants. Oh to dream.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Decided to renew my tix, but I am selling off half of them…until they start showing me that they can put a win, and a string of wins together…it’s getting too darn expensive! Reason for keeping the tix is to keep the seats!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:13 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Kids, I was there,..it was ugly,…the salt in the wound was Jon lighting that torch…on the other hand, hes in town until Tuesday morning…gives Mark and Amy 24 hours from now to give him EVERYTHING he wants. Oh to dream.
That is what some were hoping yesterday! I couldn’t even see him lighting the torch yesterday! Was he sitting down and out of sight???
November 19th, 2012 at 7:13 am
I decided to leave at halftime and take my son to go buy this toy helicopter he wanted, and tuned in Fox Sports Football Sunday on the radio and they cut in live to the Raiders game and the host siad ‘Look there pass at his knees, what is the Chiefs?”…then there was some laughing by the other guys and the host said “Raiders are back..to being a joke of an organization again….this is pathetic…how did they go back to…THIS?” “Oh my god, this is just awwwful”.
My son in the back seat said ‘did u hear what that guy said about the Raiders?’ ‘Yes”…”Why do you like them..if they are so bad?” I said “They used to be really good”. He said ‘But they aren’t anymore? Why do you still like them”? I said “You can’t just go switching teams when they are bad you have to be loyal…that’s just the way it is”.
I was so perturbed by the time we got to the store, the whole time I was crabby and upset. When I left it was 21-7 and I had some hope, but…it’s just so damn depressing to be back being laughed at and called a “joke of a franchise” and all the other stuff we get.
We really don’t deserve this.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:14 am
I agree Hwnrdr about the loser mentality on the field. We have some bloated contracts and some older vets who can’t play the game anymore milking Al Davis outta wack contracts for all they are worth. We need young and hungry and poor guys fighting to earn their 2nd contract. That defense needs a major facelift. But the coaching staff deserves some blame too. They are responsible for getting them to execute and whatever it is they are coaching them to do or not do, it’s not effective.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:18 am
What is so sad is I was actually relieved after the game.
When I was at the store I was imagining by the time I get back home it’s gonna be like 62-10 or something and for some reason that mad me really ticked off.
I was relieved when they took a knee, cuz i know Vitt could have had Chase Daniel score there and the final score become 45-17…which for some reason would have been much worse in my twisted world.
How pathetic really.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:18 am
My son in the back seat said ‘did u hear what that guy said about the Raiders?’ ‘Yes”…”Why do you like them..if they are so bad?” I said “They used to be really good”. He said ‘But they aren’t anymore? Why do you still like them”? I said “You can’t just go switching teams when they are bad you have to be loyal…that’s just the way it is”.
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I would love if I could somehow just not be a Raider fan anymore. To know winning football again… it isn’t possible. I truly bleed Silver and Black down to my core. This isn’t about loyalty anymore. It is simply ingrained into my soul.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 am
I know how you feel DJ Johnny.
My kids ask me why I like a football team that always loses. “Do they ever win any games daddy?” I kind of snap a glance at them. They don’t mean anything by it, but to me it feels like a switchblade in my stomach. Then I hear the commentators and bloggers call out the Raiders as on the list of joke franchises. Teams that others salivate to beat up on.
“Why don’t you just be a Tampa Bay Bucs fan? They win games”. I get asked. I don’t even try to explain it to them anymore. You are right. We don’t deserve this. None of us do.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 am
It was the loss to TB that I started thinking abut 2013. This team is awful in all phases of the game. CP Meyers, and maybe Bryant are the only three that are actually any good at their jobs. I like Wiz 2.0 but he needs to go back to his old position. The rest can just go, including all the coaches.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 am
I think Vitt took mercy on DA the whole way. He very easily could have hung 70 on us. Our defense couldn’t stop Drew Brees if he was ice skating up hill…
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Raiders are lucky Joe Vitt took it easy on DA cuz that is what happened.
Vitt didn’t want to rub it in when he could have.
How ridiculously pathetic is that?
We lose by 21 pt’s and consider ourselves “lucky” they took it easy on us.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:21 am
I agree, pathetic!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Regression comes from bad coachiing or lack of effort.. the players seem to practice hard….
November 19th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Not that it matters to anyone, or that I’m trying to win blog points for loyalty. I don’t care what anyone thinks of my loyalty to the Raiders. It’s tattoed under my skin and over my heart. It dies when I die.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:22 am
bcz24 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 am
I think Vitt took mercy on DA the whole way. He very easily could have hung 70 on us. Our defense couldn’t stop Drew Brees if he was ice skating up hill…
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Sorry, you beat me to it.
Yeah, this is soooooo bad at this point.
How do we go from barely losing to Atl. to…THIS?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:22 am
guest123 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Not that it matters to anyone, or that I’m trying to win blog points for loyalty. I don’t care what anyone thinks of my loyalty to the Raiders. It’s tattoed under my skin and over my heart. It dies when I die.
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That’s why it hurts so much bro.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:25 am
i dont care what defensive coordinator you bring in..branch, mcclain, mitchell, giofakerofinjury will stiil suck.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:26 am
Shoot…did NE really score three TD’s by way of punt return and 2 int returns?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:26 am
421.nycraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:25 am
i dont care what defensive coordinator you bring in..branch, mcclain, mitchell, giofakerofinjury will stiil suck.
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Yup. Thats why they should all be promoted… to fans.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:27 am
nycraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:25 am
i dont care what defensive coordinator you bring in..branch, mcclain, mitchell, giofakerofinjury will stiil suck.
That is what I was saying…
November 19th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Ddwight
“I predicted 4-12. We are on pace for that. Knew it when DA brought Tarver and Knapp to the staff!!!”
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You were one of the few then, probably 95% of the regulars figured the 2012 Raiders would be better than the 2010-11 teams and the coaching change was the main reason.
Yes, a lot of guys told us the coaching “improvement” alone would make this team better, I recall some saying it would even be worth a couple of more wins, we were supposed to fight for the Division and be in the hunt for a wild-card spot.
I didn’t hear many people bash the talent base back then as they suddenly do now, of course we all saw some holes and knew this team needed a few more pieces, but all of a sudden most of these players can’t play but Coaching is not an issue?.
B.S.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:29 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:26 am
Shoot…did NE really score three TD’s by way of punt return and 2 int returns
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They had 3 total defensive/special teams TD’s
Which by the way is 3 more than we have had this season.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:31 am
REALLY??????????????????????????????????????????????/
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Al Davis’ 50 year regime to be eliminated and sucessfully replaced in one season???????????????????
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Most of you have been fans long enough to not post the “knee jerk” reactionary crap that you do.
One of the biggest problems of the Al Davis era every new coach the Raiders has had, has been having to make the players they were dealt function successfully in the offensive coaching system they brought in, and in Al’s man to man defense.
Dennis Allen basically inherited the same situation plus salary cap problems.
DA is running his own offense and defense but is still saddled with using Al Davis players to make it all work, plus Allen and McKenzie had no money to bring in the players they need.
The number 1 and 2 RB’s hurt….a patched up, make shift secondary playing against Breez and a playoff bound team with Super Bowl experience and you feign disgust at the outcome…..get Real
This defensive philosophy is light years ahead of Al’s antiquated Man To Man, and Knapp’s ZBS need time (look at Houston)….Both deserve to be given the personnel to make them work.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:33 am
the coaching staff should make sure bartel knows hes allowed to intercept the ball at cb. he hasnt had an int since 2008 so he may have forgot
November 19th, 2012 at 7:33 am
If Mark Davis assessed this team and concluded he didn’t have a contender, he should have got in Reggie Mcs butt and told him to bring in some real players.
Personally; I saw a team capable of doing good to great things, however I had my doubts about the coaching staff. My doubts have been fully justified. The coaches suck and Reggie Mc has bombed relative to his acqusitions. His draft picks and free agent signing have been unsat.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Is it wrong to be hopeful that a coaching change with a structured GM run organization and tiered leadership would be an improvement over the old dysfunctional ways?
To be fair, not to blame AD for everything. But his leadership was a recipe for failure for 2 decades plus. We needed a change. Any change had to be considered positive until proven otherwise.
Is it wrong to be optimistic or is it better to be proven right? I will stand up for myself in saying I was optimistic that the new REGGIME would turn around the franchise. I don’t think anyone thought it would be a superbowl team overnight. But a lot of us were hopeful. Is that so misguided or wrong? If so, I am not ashamed for it.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Didn’t see the game.
ANOTHER pick 6 from JaCarson, eh?
Cincy beat us over the head.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:36 am
By the way, there’s a radical fan group who wants Reggie and DA fired, I’m certainly not among them, just wanted to make that clear, but I do feel they have to be held accountable for a lost season, one where we are not competitive (coaching) and we did not cut our losses and started over (Reggie).
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 am
You were one of the few then, probably 95% of the regulars figured the 2012 Raiders would be better than the 2010-11 teams and the coaching change was the main reason.
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In the off-season, we all talk shyytt and drink the kool aid.
Every team is 0-0 and has the same chance.
Reality sets in, for me at least, once the players hit the field.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 am
No Hawaiin bro,..he was standing while lighting it with his old Raider visor on,..waved to the crowd who was giving him a standing O,…how on Earth can Mark and Amy let him get out of town without a contract is beyond me,…hes in town until tomorrow morning,..and they know where hes staying,…if he gets away and they have to market Reggie and Dennis next year,..well the local losers like old man kell wont be seeing them on tv.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 am
we always seem to get new coaches, can we try to get new players this time. yes, fire knapp but then get rid of the entire middle of our defense. get a #1 WR who can make plays in redzone, put wiz back to his normal position, bring in a speed rusher and cbs who make plays. can we try that for once?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:40 am
I don’t necessarily want Reggie fired…yet. But DA and staff can take a hike. What does the word “accountable” mean? salary giveback? public apology? Washing Mark Davis’s car?
To me the ultimate accountability is pack your bags. That’s when it’s real.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Seriously, if you’re gonna put the blame on Carson this season…Come on, Man!!!
I still say that he is not the problem! I left after we scored the last TD with 4 minutes to go…was it Juron Criner who got his first NFl TD yesterday? I didn’t see who it was, nor did I care really…!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:40 am
You can’t coach around your QB throwing the ball to the other team.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:41 am
I predicted 7-9 based on our team on paper and new coaches.. but krapp went waay too fast changing to his schemes. And hoffman just stinks.. ive never judged taver because the d looked like trash on paper.. no players. If you thought this was a playoff team you should lay off the kool aid
November 19th, 2012 at 7:42 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 am
No Hawaiin bro,..he was standing while lighting it with his old Raider visor on,..waved to the crowd who was giving him a standing O,…how on Earth can Mark and Amy let him get out of town without a contract is beyond me,…hes in town until tomorrow morning,..and they know where hes staying,…if he gets away and they have to market Reggie and Dennis next year,..well the local losers like old man kell wont be seeing them on tv.
LOL, for some reason i couldn’t see him…maybe too much Henn yesteray!
Anyways, if they are going to get after him, now is the time!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:43 am
True, J Hill…didn’t see replays but not too sure if that one was on him…but he is the one with the stat!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Here in Tampa, they all are talking about the money well spent on Vincent Jackson. How he just about singlehandedly brought the Bucs back from defeat to win the game in the late 4th qtr with his late TD and then 2 pt conversion. He’s got mad skills, go take a look at the replay of his TD.
Imagine if we had a legit high dollar VJAX or Brandon Marshall type stud WR.
They are talking about the Bucs and their “triplets” like the old Dallas Cowboys. Bucs rookie RB Doug Martin already with 1000 yards rushing in 10 games, VJAX and Freeman. And they are 6-4 and in the playoff hunt.
Meanwhile we have a one legged stool in Oakland.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Hwn,
Wassup mayne.
QB gets the glory, QB takes the heat.
Just the way it goes.
At this point, how can the ATL pick 6, The TB int, and the pick 6 yesterday NOT be the #1 issue????
How different is our season if ATL and TB = Ws?
We can’t go down 14-0 to Brees because of a pick 6, man.
C’mon now!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Guest123.
I have two words for you, Greg Schiano.
And his staff.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:49 am
-5 credibility points for the new era
November 19th, 2012 at 7:49 am
The team has quit!
I see NO leadship on and field and especially off the field.
I see NO fire under Dennis Allen.
I see NO heart!
Thats not the Raiders I use to know…saw it last year, but that quickly has been put out this year!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:50 am
And I like Palmer, Hwn.
I’ve just been saying that he needs to play better. But how many weeks can we keep saying that about the QB we traded such high picks for?
If my read between the lines skills are any good, I’d say the owner is talking to the GM about a QB change.
What does the owner saying “i have my own ideas” regarding the QB position supposed to mean?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Somehow, I figure if Schiano decided to install a short-pass, west-coast type of offense and a zbs run-blocking scheme, both ill-suited for his offensive personnel (except Martin who looks like he can play any system) they would not be doing as well.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Like Marc said , ” regression”. Yeah, we knew this team wasn’t a freight train but they have taken two steps back in ALL phases. I had them going 9-7 or 8-8 but now it’s hard to see them getting past 5 wins.
Its a mix begween mediocre players and coaches that are in over there heads. It’s just a shame. Gut it, tear it down, do what our have to do to get the right players and personnel in here.
I’m sick of heartless and clueless players wearing my colors.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:51 am
I have two words for you, Greg Schiano.
And his staff.
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I think he’s a tool, but he does have them flying after the ball on defense. He chose an excellent staff no doubt. If nothing else, he’s an excellent judge of coaching talent. DA is about his polar opposite in that regard.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:51 am
436.guest123 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:40 am
I don’t necessarily want Reggie fired…yet. But DA and staff can take a hike. What does the word “accountable” mean? salary giveback? public apology? Washing Mark Davis’s car?
To me the ultimate accountability is pack your bags. That’s when it’s real.
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The ultimate in accountability? If we fire Dennis Allen tomorrow, we STILL pay him for the next 3 seasons.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:51 am
good morning nation and Green Party.
Long Live the ODB!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Bob Marley Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Somehow, I figure if Schiano decided to install a short-pass, west-coast type of offense and a zbs run-blocking scheme, both ill-suited for his offensive personnel (except Martin who looks like he can play any system) they would not be doing as well.
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Ironic that they are the mirror image of Al Davis’s vertical passing attack. They are everything Al Davis football was about. Meanwhile we turned into the old conservative Bucs offense.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Our defense allowed 135 points in 3 games!
CP keeps throwing INTs!
Our coaching staff sucks!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:55 am
It’s time to activate TP. The kid needs reps to develop.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Palmer looked off yesterday, the receivers were running terrible routes/not catching the ball. First int is all on him, second int is all on myers.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:56 am
OH I get it now.
1. Reggie failed because the Salary cap is for every other team but the Raiders, or elite NFL players should come here and play for peanuts and he didn’t ask them.
2. The other 31 NFL teams don’t have film study during the week, so with no running game, Carson Palmer should have been able to carve up every defense in the league with no picks.
3. With a make shift secondary, the Raiders should have held Drew Breez to under 200 yards passing and had at least 3 picks.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Reggie’s mistake was going with rookie coaches for a roster full of mediocrity. A rookie coaching staff would be a great choice for an established team (like when Pitt hired Tomlin).
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Myers is responsible for one INT, but CP is responsible for the rest. The guy averages more than 1 INT/ game..
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Help Wanted!!!!
Edge pass rushing beast
2 starting safeties
November 19th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Crude Earl Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:56 am
OH I get it now.
1. Reggie failed because the Salary cap is for every other team but the Raiders, or elite NFL players should come here and play for peanuts and he didn’t ask them.
2. The other 31 NFL teams don’t have film study during the week, so with no running game, Carson Palmer should have been able to carve up every defense in the league with no picks.
3. With a make shift secondary, the Raiders should have held Drew Breez to under 200 yards passing and had at least 3 picks.
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2012 the year of excuses 2013 no excuses
November 19th, 2012 at 8:01 am
QB Pryor brings a different element to the game. Why not try it at this point. You can’t scheme against someone who can scramble for yardage.
I say why not….
Carson can’t hit anyone in stride until he warms up which is usualy the second qtr. By that time, we are down and playing from behind. Yes, he has kept us in games, but my gosh put together a drive in the first quarter when the game means something!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Excuses????
or Reality????
November 19th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Article on PFT about Gruden and all the coaching rumors surrounding him. The article didn’t have one mention of the Raiders as a potential spot, even though he lit the torch yesterday. I think Raider fans are the only ones delusional enough to think Gruden is coming back to the Raiders.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:03 am
I say give Palmer 2 more games. If he can’t get a win against the Bengals or Browns, it’s time to see what Pryor can do. Maybe you don’t start him, but at least give him a few possessions a game.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Crude Earl Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Excuses????
or Reality????
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however you want to look at it for 2012 is up to you. Reggie has alot to prove in 2013 , no excuses
November 19th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Really disappointed in the Defense. Thought that would be a strength. What the hell happened? I knew the O was going to struggle but not this badly. I want to give Allen some time tho. Bill Walsh struggled his first season too and it worked out ok for him.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:05 am
I guess you Gruden Disciples aren’t aware of his opinion of T. Pryor.
He’d sure never make it behind Center in a silver and black uniform.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:05 am
If TP isn’t activated within the next 2 games that is a sign that he does not have a future as a Raider. CP is the starter here for the rest of his contract. That’s a fact.
If TP doesn’t get playing time look for them to take a QB in the draft or FA.
Purge this team.
And if people are relying on draft picks/rookies to make this an instant winner, reality is going to bite you. Too many holes, expect another craptastic product next year as well.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:05 am
bcz24 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:58 am
Reggie’s mistake was going with rookie coaches for a roster full of mediocrity. A rookie coaching staff would be a great choice for an established team (like when Pitt hired Tomlin).
Very true! Might have been a rookie mistake for McKenzie
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 am
370 – someone needs to lead. See T Brady, A Rodgers. R Gannon. T Aikman etc etc. and no it’s not always a qb but somebody better step up.
Palmer isn’t any kind of leader, proved it w the Bengals and proving it again now. For what was paid the Raiders got robbed. Hue and Mark on that.
At any rate it’s in the past, the team needs to move forward.
These blowouts would b a perfect time to get Pryor some action. If only to increase his trade value a la Belechick. Figure out one or two plays he can run and put it in.
Only this staff is too f’ing stupid.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 am
I say it’s time to put Palmer on the shelf to keep him healthy for a trade to the Jets.
Same with McFadden.
How in the heck can Marcel Reece run in this offense but McFadden can’t????
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Unfortunately the only thing we have of value for trading is Reese.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 am
459.Raider O Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Myers is responsible for one INT, but CP is responsible for the rest. The guy averages more than 1 INT/ game..
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He threw 2 yesterday. One was on him, one was on Myers. I was only referring to yesterday.
If you want to break down every pick of the season, I would lay money that less than half of Palmers picks are on him.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:07 am
And some of you monkeys argued we should cut reece for days…. dummies
November 19th, 2012 at 8:08 am
If Hue Jackson would have had this Defense last year they’d have easily made the playoffs….even with the patched up secondary they have now.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Benching the QB and cutting someone from the OL and defense is what should happen.
Put these clowns on notice!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Reece is a player.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Sorry, my boss had me do something…
J Hill, I agree! We lose badly this Sunday (which is my birthday so not sure if I even want to watch it), I say it is Pryor time! Put him in, let’s see what he’s got. If anything, at least we will know what direction to move on with! And now, not sure about Barkley…!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:09 am
i wonder what the record for pick 6’s in a season by a qb is..4-5?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:09 am
have da and reggie been fired yet?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Its time to play all the young guys and old àss bergstrom
November 19th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Put Adams on waivers and activate TP.
Or put Leinart n waivers. Lienart….
That signing was really all there was to know about how this season would go.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:11 am
I would lay money that less than half of Palmers picks are on him.
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They are all his fault.
Stop throwing it to D Moore on anticipation routes. He CLEARLY hasn’t proven he can be relied upon.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:11 am
they have been playing Bergs.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 am
J Hill Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Benching the QB and cutting someone from the OL and defense is what should happen.
Put these clowns on notice!
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And then play who?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Worst staff in the league by leaps and bounds..
November 19th, 2012 at 8:13 am
They are all his fault.
Stop throwing it to D Moore on anticipation routes. He CLEARLY hasn’t proven he can be relied upon.
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You’re right. I see the light now. CUT Palmer yesterday. He SUCKS… Hey start Pryor, that will help!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:13 am
It really must be hard to have players buy into what you’re selling when your biggest accomplishment is coordinating the league’s 20th ranked Defense (Allen), when you come from co-coordinating a mediocre PAC-10 Defense (Tarver) and when you have not been a succesful Coordinator in nearly 10 years (Knapp).
November 19th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Pryor
Bergstrom
Cut Adams, move Huff back to S, bench Beatordano, play Francies or Ross.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:15 am
489. Exactly hard to buy in to pure shìt..
November 19th, 2012 at 8:16 am
At least the Chargers are imploding. I hold some solace in that.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:17 am
CUT Palmer yesterday. He SUCKS
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A bit dramtic this AM?
I think I said stash him on the bench to keep him healthy for a trade to the Jets.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:18 am
472.J Hill Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 am
I say it’s time to put Palmer on the shelf to keep him healthy for a trade to the Jets.
Same with McFadden.
How in the heck can Marcel Reece run in this offense but McFadden can’t????
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McFadden is top heavy. He’s a downhill runner who needs to get lose passed the line. Has a hard time seeing holes and cutting back up field in the ZBS! Micheal Bush would have done better in the ZBS.
They ran more power blocking schemes yesterday. That first carry was a classic power block off our right tackle that got Reece that big gain. Knapp and Im going to say Dennis Allen as well ruined our running game this season by changing the scheme that was estiblished by Hue Jackson and was leading the NFL up until McFadden got hurt.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:07 am
And some of you monkeys argued we should cut reece for days…. dummies
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Correction: Turd Monkeys!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:21 am
The inability of Knapp to utilize Reece in our offense is another reflection of how horrible of a O.C he is. Reece creates so many mis matches and now he looks like he could have relieved DMAC with some carries, from the overuse earlier on in the season.
Fire him already! If the run game is not working with the players you have, you try other players??? Reece looks pretty good running behind the ZBS.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:21 am
I was on record saying this D would be shìt before the season..
I said no playoffs
The only way we could compete was to ride dmac to a mvp. But krapp chose his favorite plays over our strengths.. tp time.. we need a top pick
November 19th, 2012 at 8:22 am
And BTW
GOOD MORNING GENTLEMAN!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:23 am
RAAAAIII……ah fuggit
November 19th, 2012 at 8:23 am
No Excuses!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Like a horse with skates on.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Turd monkeys indeed
November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 am
As long as Raiders fans keep selling out the stadium to watch this garbage, they really have nobody to blame but themselves. The best way to send Mark Davis the message is to spend Sunday afternoon at the park with your kids and let the Raiders lose in an empty stadium. Who cares if it is blacked out locally?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:26 am
What up Nation?!
It was nice to see y’all at the O.co yesterday.
The fans SHOWED UP!
The team phoned in.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:26 am
They should give the Accounting department the day off…let these guys sweat getting paid for a few hours. Let them feel what it’s like to not get their game check. It will help a lot of them adjust to lfe next year outside the NFL.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:26 am
J Hill Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Pryor
Bergstrom
Cut Adams, move Huff back to S, bench Beatordano, play Francies or Ross.
$$$$$$$$$$$
Or Chekwa.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:26 am
503
I’ve been saying that. It doesn’t mean you’re any less of a fan, just means you care enough to send a message.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Last night Priest was trying to convince us that Jamarcus could still be a great QB if he was motivated. He even said the Saints would win Super Bowls with him in a couple of years.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Soon as that happens Mark moves to LA.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:27 am
On another note.. oaklands trading in state police for feds?? What the fùck? Dont you like weed? Or freedom in general?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Oh boy…really? JR talk again???
November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 am
I can’t believe Jamarcus was being talked about in here last night.
More bloggers to scroll past by when I see them commenting.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:21 am
The inability of Knapp to utilize Reece in our offense is another reflection of how horrible of a O.C he is. Reece creates so many mis matches and now he looks like he could have relieved DMAC with some carries, from the overuse earlier on in the season.
Fire him already! If the run game is not working with the players you have, you try other players??? Reece looks pretty good running behind the ZBS.
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Exactly.
We should have used Reece more this season especially in the beginning when DMAC was strugling.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 am
That’s BS Vegas,
You are spouting some “fair weather” nonsense right now.
If we are still here after the last 12 years, we ain’t going nowhere.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:31 am
On another nother note… go lakers
November 19th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Lakers averaging 145 ppg. =) lol
November 19th, 2012 at 8:35 am
BigTed707 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 am
That’s BS Vegas,
You are spouting some “fair weather” nonsense right now.
If we are still here after the last 12 years, we ain’t going nowhere.
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LA doesn’t want the Raiders back. They want a new franchise so they can call them the ‘caballeros’ or ‘hombres’ or something.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:35 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Lakers averaging 145 ppg. =) lol
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Must be playing the Raiders D
November 19th, 2012 at 8:36 am
When the boo birds start flying at O.Co you know it’s bad.Raider fans can put up with a lot, when they turn its become obvious.
The last time the birds were flying we had a meatloaf with legs at QB.
Now they are directed at the whole package. It amazes me they still sell out, but that’s what also makes us Raider fans.
Marc knows what’s up, he’s not as out of touch as a lot of people thought he was. He cares about Oakland and the fans. I see him stepping up his game and making his Dad smile.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:37 am
LA doesn’t want the Raiders back. They want a new franchise so they can call them the ‘caballeros’ or ‘hombres’ or something.
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The LA Vatos!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:40 am
BigTed707 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 am
That’s BS Vegas,
You are spouting some “fair weather” nonsense right now.
If we are still here after the last 12 years, we ain’t going nowhere.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
That wasn’t Vegas.
Where is Vegas? Reality can be harsh.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:40 am
“Just stop going to the games until the team wins”
- JFB, and most SF 49er/Giants fans.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 am
518 ouch. lol
The L.A Vatos? hahaha
November 19th, 2012 at 8:44 am
That wasn’t Vegas.
Where is Vegas? Reality can be harsh.
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Your right Raider O,
My mistake.
Sorry JFB, I should have known that wasn’t you.
JWB is the guy spouting nonsense.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Maybe the raiders acn get a new stadium in mexico city
November 19th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Just Win Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 am
As long as Raiders fans keep selling out the stadium to watch this garbage, they really have nobody to blame but themselves. The best way to send Mark Davis the message is to spend Sunday afternoon at the park with your kids and let the Raiders lose in an empty stadium. Who cares if it is blacked out locally?
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Doesnt work that way. Cleveland sucked for decades yet had sell out after sell out.
its called being a fan.
thats childish – thats like saying move to L.A., we dont care.
NEVER! Raider Nation – they are to be commended for their loyalty
you can step the f$%k off….abandoning a team SURE AS HELL ISNT THE SOLUTION.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Agreed Sam!
Someone really did have a sign yesterday saying that “All I want for Christmas is Gruden back”!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:50 am
We need an amazing set of draft days trades.. or this not rebuild will take yrs.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:50 am
447.J Hill Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:50 am
And I like Palmer, Hwn.
I’ve just been saying that he needs to play better. But how many weeks can we keep saying that about the QB we traded such high picks for?
If my read between the lines skills are any good, I’d say the owner is talking to the GM about a QB change.
What does the owner saying “i have my own ideas” regarding the QB position supposed to mean?
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He also said right after that he ‘has confidence in Carson Palmer’.
I’m guessing Mark would like to see what his dads 3rd round pick can do on the field…TP AT THIS POINT.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:51 am
If we could tackle, we could be dangerous.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:52 am
how does adams have a job, does he have a picture of DA topless?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Code this is not a rebuild! Code worst d in team history! Code weeeeeee!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:54 am
532.. hahaha
November 19th, 2012 at 8:54 am
How many teams fans cheer wildly the coach who hammered their team in the Super Bowl?
Us Raider fans are unique.
And…the Chucky situation was unique too.
Just kind of wierd when you think about it.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Oops imeant 531..
November 19th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Can we PLEASE fire hoffman today??
November 19th, 2012 at 8:57 am
RaiderSam Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Just Win Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 am
As long as Raiders fans keep selling out the stadium to watch this garbage, they really have nobody to blame but themselves. The best way to send Mark Davis the message is to spend Sunday afternoon at the park with your kids and let the Raiders lose in an empty stadium. Who cares if it is blacked out locally?
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Doesnt work that way. Cleveland sucked for decades yet had sell out after sell out.
its called being a fan.
thats childish – thats like saying move to L.A., we dont care.
NEVER! Raider Nation – they are to be commended for their loyalty
you can step the f$%k off….abandoning a team SURE AS HELL ISNT THE SOLUTION.
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Wrong. That’s not being a fan, that’s being a sucker. It’s a business and if they are making money being a pathetic loser, then why spend more to win? you have gotten used to being the bicth of the league and keep paying for it.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:57 am
We need to get Cable back in here to conduct some “walkthroughs”.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:59 am
did reggie interview 1 coach who had prior hc experience?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:59 am
#JUSTTANKBABY!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:03 am
JWB – it is time for you to just don the red and gold, and go join your bandwagon brethren across the bay.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am
1st Rd-D.E/D.T or trade for more picks
3rd Rd-O.T
4th Rd-LB
5th Rd-Corner
6th Rd-D.L
7th Rd-RB
November 19th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Well guys I would hope it is obvious to even the most casual fan that we do not have the talent on the line of scrimmage to compete in the NFL.
For the first time you herad DA say that “we knew depth was an issue with this roster”
That is as close as you will ever hear a coach say we do not have the talent to compete.
The Raiders work hard and are coached well.(Those that continue to blame coaching are football ignorant. How many different coaching staffs do you need to see with the same results before you realize it is a talent problem?)
We simply can not compete against decent teams.
We are the punch line in Joan Rivers jokes!!!!!!
Draft Dline and Oline in 2013 and 2014 with our top three picks both years and we will become relevant again.
See you in 2015.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:07 am
- I’m in support of Reggie and Co for the foreseeable future, mainly because we need some stability and consistency before we can get better. Having said that, after watching the last 3 games, I mean, this is professional football, watching our D and ST play like that is just not acceptable.
- Maybe there are just too many “rookies” (owner, GM, HC) at the same time? Maybe a good set up would be getting Chucky back in as HC with lots of personnel power leaving Reggie to focus on organizational depth, scouting, the Cap?
- because there’s been so much turn over, it’s really hard to determine where the problem is in terms of fault? Players or Coaches? Al (with all due respect) hired lackeys, so how can you rip on players who get turnover in staff every 1-2 years and expect them to perform and develop, especially if they’re younger?
- Equally, when I’m watching a kick returned 75 yards, then an untouched tailback run for the other 25 yards, how can one not look at the Coaches and say, “what the fuddle duddle is going on?”
November 19th, 2012 at 9:08 am
JFB – 2 things
1) As a season ticket holder, you are required to purchase all games up front in exchange for securing a nice seat for the entire year along with enjoying some saving. Not like we can ask for a refund now. There’s no market for these tix, and I’m sure not just gonna let them sit there with nobody in my seats.
2) I want my Raiders to remain in Oakland. Are you really knocking us fans for being loyal? Want us to be like the goons across the Bay that get their panties in a twist after a Championship game loss and threaten players?
That being said, am I happy? Schit no! Mark knows this. He knows the fans aren’t happy and he’s not happy either. You think this is what he aimed for? He followed the advice of some respected football figures.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:11 am
I cannot believe these dumba$$ reporters didnt have any b@llz to ask Mark what the hellz he was thinking when he decided to fire Hue.
I didn’t necessarily disagree with the move, but if you are going to fire him, at least replace him with a more viable proven HC and NOT another ROOKIE.
The regression has as much to do with that monumental stupid decision.
This season is as much on RETARDED Mark Davis as anyone.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Dear Dennis Allen,
You think you can laugh it up with your cronies, comfortable in your position as head coach, while making us the laughingstock of the league and taking us straight to the cellar? Fuk you! You are officially on notice, chump! Pull your head out of your ass!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am
TBB,
That wasn’t Vegas.
Vegas is the guy who predicted 30+ points from Knapp’s offense.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am
DA is worse than Hue, Cable, Lance, Shell II, Norvall, Bugel, White, Shell I, Shanacrap,you name it. In fact he is worse than Romeo Crennel.
This team has ZERO b@llz, ZERO Heart, ZERO talent, ZERO accountability.
DA has ZERO “it” factor. If anything he has the “It stinks” factor.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:17 am
You can not fix 10 years of mismanagement in one.
This is a 3-5 year REBUILDING PROJECT!!!!
Anyone who does not see this is blind. We had ridulous contracts given to players that can not play.
We had no high picks this year.
We need three new DLine starters and two new Oline starters.
We need coaching scheme stability.
We need two more years of REBUILDING!!!!
Do not buy tickets if you do not understand this.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Banana and Boss
Please check our roster for talent.
Football is won and lost on the line of scrimmage.
Blaming coaching is silly and football ignorant.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Raider O Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:16 am
TBB,
That wasn’t Vegas.
Vegas is the guy who predicted 30+ points from Knapp’s offense.
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My bad then, JFB. I thought that was an odd comment for someone like Vegas. Should have figured.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Jon Gruden 2013.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:23 am
The Big Banana Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Dear Dennis Allen,
You think you can laugh it up with your cronies, comfortable in your position as head coach, while making us the laughingstock of the league and taking us straight to the cellar? Fuk you! You are officially on notice, chump! Pull your head out of your ass!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You are too nice bro. Try this:
Effin Titty Monkey
You and the other biotches need to Stop acting like hyenas and laughing when you lose you POS Titty Monkey. You think you have job security you effin Chimp? Pull your head out if Reggie’s!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:23 am
If I were HC going forward, I would bench every single player on defense except for Huff, Houston & Bryant. Activate the practice squad players, put Christo, Crawford, Chimdi whoever else is on the roster.
I guarantee you the results would not be worse, but at least I would see players playing with some heart out there. I cannot bare to watch these check cashers go through the motions anymore.
DA is probably comfortable staying the course. The ship has already hit the iceberg and water has already reached the 5th compartment. DA is comfortable with just stearing the ship into the bottom of the Atlantic.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Out of Reggie’s a$$….
November 19th, 2012 at 9:25 am
“I can’t believe Jamarcus was being talked about in here last night.
More bloggers to scroll past by when I see them commenting.”
Watching Leftwich last night had a JaMarcus feel to it he is almost that bad!!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Charlie Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Banana and Boss
Please check our roster for talent.
Football is won and lost on the line of scrimmage.
Blaming coaching is silly and football ignorant.
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Is that why we nearly made the playoffs last year with virtually the same roster? Or is Wimley and Routt really that good? Lol.
Try again. We have regressed incredibly. MUCH more than any talent we lost.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Lol, O. Yeah, let’s go with your version.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Is that why we nearly made the playoffs last year with virtually the same roster? Or is Wimley and Routt really that good? Lol.
Try again. We have regressed incredibly. MUCH more than any talent we lost.
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That team didn’t make the playoffs for that exact reason. Last years team hit their ceiling. They were what they were. Mediocre.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:29 am
“Jon Gruden 2013.”
And yes that is a nice fantasy to have so is fingering Jessica Alba and the odds of both happening are probably similar.
Please give me one reason why he would step out of that comfortable booth where he works stress free for 3 hours a week making as much money as if he were on the sidelines working 100 hours a week stressed out answering to GM owner etc……give me a legitimate reason Coach Gruden would leave that to come here
November 19th, 2012 at 9:29 am
The foundation of every great football team begins with the building of punishing offensive and defensive lines.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:30 am
DJ Johnny Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:54 am
How many teams fans cheer wildly the coach who hammered their team in the Super Bowl?
Us Raider fans are unique.
And…the Chucky situation was unique too.
Just kind of wierd when you think about it.
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Yeah, that my be a first.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:30 am
“That team didn’t make the playoffs for that exact reason. Last years team hit their ceiling. They were what they were. Mediocre.”
If that is true then you are saying Hue Jackson is the best coach we have had in a long time
November 19th, 2012 at 9:31 am
666, not to be sarcastic, but because he can! Question is will he want to?
November 19th, 2012 at 9:31 am
558.The Big Banana Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Charlie Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Banana and Boss
Please check our roster for talent.
Football is won and lost on the line of scrimmage.
Blaming coaching is silly and football ignorant.
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Is that why we nearly made the playoffs last year with virtually the same roster? Or is Wimley and Routt really that good? Lol.
Try again. We have regressed incredibly. MUCH more than any talent we lost.
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Hue was an OC and made the offense better while keeping the defense up to par with what it was. He got the best out of players that were marginal on offense and they produced, in particular Dmac, DHB and even Jason Campbell.
DA is supposedly a defensive expert, and all he has done under his watch is take a defense that was bad last year and converted them to historically bad.
He took a top 10 offense and has driven it to the ground through his Knapp hire.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am
“666, not to be sarcastic, but because he can! Question is will he want to?”
Ok at least you have a reason or an idea as to why Gruden would do that my guess would be ego.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am
All Hue needed to do this past offseason, was hire Jack Del Rio.
Ahhhh, just day dreaming.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Morilla Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Is that why we nearly made the playoffs last year with virtually the same roster? Or is Wimley and Routt really that good? Lol.
Try again. We have regressed incredibly. MUCH more than any talent we lost.
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That team didn’t make the playoffs for that exact reason. Last years team hit their ceiling. They were what they were. Mediocre.
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Thank you for making my point. Good coaching takes players to their ceiling. We would all love us some mediocre right now. Instead, we are a laughingstock. Big time regression.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am
“666, not to be sarcastic, but because he can! Question is will he want to?”
Ok at least you have a reason or an idea as to why Gruden would do that my guess would be ego.
I believe there was a report that says he wants to get back to coaching, but it had him going back to Philly with Andy Reid as a possible replacement for Krapp! Not to positive though!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Hwnrdr Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am
“666, not to be sarcastic, but because he can! Question is will he want to?”
Ok at least you have a reason or an idea as to why Gruden would do that my guess would be ego.
I believe there was a report that says he wants to get back to coaching, but it had him going back to Philly with Andy Reid as a possible replacement for Krapp! Not to positive though!
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If he does get out of his contract, he will go to Philly or the LA Chargers. He’s the type of guy who wants new challenges. No way he comes back to Oakland. Been there, done that.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:43 am
And on top of that, I don’t know why everyone is on his nuts. He won a SB with someone else’s team and failed to go anywhere 6 years after the fact.
It’s all about his persona.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Unlikely as it may be, I would be down for bringing back the scowl. Reggie is said to have an eye for talent. That’s what Chucky needs to be successful. Just get him the talent. He will do the rest.
Got a kick out of the few folks that booed Chucky. What, you expected him to lay down for us in the Super Bowl? Lol at booing the last head coach to make us relevant. What happened between him and Al is between him and Al. The rest of the ownership is very cool with him to bring him back like that, and clearly Gruden isn’t holding any grudges to agree to it. Get over it, clowns.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:51 am
DA WILL Be back and most likely Tarver will too , your best bet is asking for Knapp and st coordinators head much more likely to happen, Gruden is not coming here even if we have a open head coaching position ,rem the teams he took to playoffs weren’t exactly teams that lacked talent , they just needed some leadership , this team does not need leadership it needs some talent
November 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Keep up the good work Dennis, I’m making money over here! Eagerly awaiting the line vs. the Bungles…
November 19th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Freakin bill Walsh went 2-14 or something in his first year , gotta give DA some talent on D side and give him one more chance hiring a better o.co
November 19th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Give it up guys, Reggie is not firing Allen… He would be admitting failure in doing so, not gonna happen. Bet against the rAiders, it sure makes losing fun!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:56 am
If our D continues to give up points at a record setting pace, Tarver should not be given another opportunity. Knapp should have been fired a lonnggg time ago.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DA should have plenty of coaches to pick from this time around since he will get pretty good time to hire his staff ,I like tarver , too much is made of his coaching at this point but its just lack of talent and the complexity of the system why it’s not working out yet but we should do fine next year with little bit more talent on that side
November 19th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Gruden is old news. That ship has sailed.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:59 am
What was DA thinking with G Knapp?? Was he his first choice to run ZBS or was he the only 1 available to do that??
November 19th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Some of you act like coaches don’t make much of a difference. There wouldn’t be coaches inducted into the HOF, lifted up onto players shoulders after a big win, and trophies named in their honor if they didn’t make a big impact.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Theat Jon gruden guy is MR just stirring up some sh1t after bad Sunday
November 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
We have a tougher schedule this year as compared to last year which is why we have regressed.
Look it up.
We beat the Bears without Cutler.
We beat the Chargers while they were missing half their Oline. (Look what happened in the second game).
We beat the Donkeys with Orton
We beat the Vikings with a Rookie Ponder at QB.
Anytime we have a faced a good team in the last ten years we have been beaten pretty badly. The lone exception I can think of was the Falcons this year.
Bottom line is scheme and coaching changes have not worked for us because we lack talent.
Many of you thought the problem was the antiquated scheme of Mr Davis.
Think again. We lack talent to run any scheme effectively. Kiffin, Shell, Turner, Allen, Jackson, Cable, Fox, Bresnahan, Marshall, Knapp, Callahan, Trestman ARE ALL INCOMPETENT???????
It should be obvious that it is not scheme or coaching. IT IS A LACK OF TALENT ESPECIALLY ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE.
Start drafting better and we will win.
This will take two more years. Sorry but we are what we are.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
I think Reggie will give Allen another year. He knows that Allen is stuck with a bunch of guys that won’t be on the roster next season. Knapp and Hoffman need to go, though.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:33 am
All Hue needed to do this past offseason, was hire Jack Del Rio.
Ahhhh, just day dreaming.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I Wanted Del Rio too. People ask why would he work with DA (rookie HC)? Money!
Al didn’t value coaches and it seems this GM has the same idea. Hire young coaches with potential. I hope he can be as good as AL, because AL had a good record of finding good young coaches, but the problem was he didn’t know how to keep them.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Theat Jon gruden guy is MR just stirring up some sh1t after bad Sunday
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What happened to MR? What happened to Mistic? He’s usually in here to gloat after Palmer has a ‘bad game’.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Big Banana Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Some of you act like coaches don’t make much of a difference. There wouldn’t be coaches inducted into the HOF, lifted up onto players shoulders after a big win, and trophies named in their honor if they didn’t make a big impact.
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Coaches have hands in who they bring in, we shall see what Reg and DA can do with some money to get legit players , turn arounds just don’t happen with same rosters , you guys need to get over last years 8-8 that team just had more horrible teams on the schedule, we s*ck really bad ,we don’t got a #1 RB that will actually stay healthy ,we don’t got #1 WR ,we don’t any pass rusher on this team,we got no secondary
November 19th, 2012 at 10:05 am
It’s getting pretty bad when I’m more concerned with my fantasy team than the Raiders performance on the field.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DA should have plenty of coaches to pick from this time around since he will get pretty good time to hire his staff ,I like tarver , too much is made of his coaching at this point but its just lack of talent and the complexity of the system why it’s not working out yet but we should do fine next year with little bit more talent on that side
$$$$$$$$$$$)
Tarver “should do fine next year with little bit more talent”?!?!?!
WTF are you watching? We allowed 135 points in 3 games.
Our defense is worse this year than Chuck’s defense last year, and almost everyone thought this would be impossible.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am
When Hue was the HC the offense and ST were good, sometimes spectacular, and the defense was ok at times but mostly sucked. If Reggie left Hue as HC he would have picked a better DC and we would in the hunt for the division crown this year.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Charlie Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
We have a tougher schedule this year as compared to last year which is why we have regressed.
Look it up.
We beat the Bears without Cutler.
We beat the Chargers while they were missing half their Oline. (Look what happened in the second game).
We beat the Donkeys with Orton
We beat the Vikings with a Rookie Ponder at QB.
Anytime we have a faced a good team in the last ten years we have been beaten pretty badly. The lone exception I can think of was the Falcons this year.
Bottom line is scheme and coaching changes have not worked for us because we lack talent.
Many of you thought the problem was the antiquated scheme of Mr Davis.
Think again. We lack talent to run any scheme effectively. Kiffin, Shell, Turner, Allen, Jackson, Cable, Fox, Bresnahan, Marshall, Knapp, Callahan, Trestman ARE ALL INCOMPETENT???????
It should be obvious that it is not scheme or coaching. IT IS A LACK OF TALENT ESPECIALLY ON THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE.
Start drafting better and we will win.
This will take two more years. Sorry but we are what we are.
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Exactly I been posting the record of last year,7 of our wins came against weak offenses, other win came against Houston after Al D passed away, yes we were scoring more but when the other teams needed to score they scored at will..buffalo down 21-3 ..Det going 99 yards in 1 min to win , our D lacks major talent
November 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Charlie… The Raiders schedule isn’t the problem… It’s the poor play … I can understand losing to better teams but the way the Team has lost is the problem…. At this point I’m not sure the Raiders will beat the Chefs at home… Or the browns……losing is contagious and so is poor play… Our team is sick… Very sick
November 19th, 2012 at 10:08 am
And if it was because the Tarvers defensive scheme was “too complex” (bullcrap), then do as Lupe Fiasco would say
DUMB IT DOWN!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Raider O Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DA should have plenty of coaches to pick from this time around since he will get pretty good time to hire his staff ,I like tarver , too much is made of his coaching at this point but its just lack of talent and the complexity of the system why it’s not working out yet but we should do fine next year with little bit more talent on that side
$$$$$$$$$$$)
Tarver “should do fine next year with little bit more talent”?!?!?!
WTF are you watching? We allowed 135 points in 3 games.
Our defense is worse this year than Chuck’s defense last year, and almost everyone thought this would be impossible.
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Lol, O. Remember, 10 and THEN! Maybe we can assemble a Pro Bowl defensive roster in 10 years or so.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Banana.
Coaching is about 20% of the NFL game.
Talent and talent acquisition are 80% of the game.
How did Seifert do when he went from the Niners to the Panthers?
How did Turner and Fox do when they left the Raiders?
How has Shanahan done with the Redskins?
You think Reid got stupid? No Philly signed too many free agents like the Raiders did who have big contracts but average ability.
Get good players along the line like the Steelers and Ravens and you win the majority of your games. It is that simple.
John Madden said it best. “Talent is the most important factor to winning in the NFL.”
November 19th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Raider O Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DA should have plenty of coaches to pick from this time around since he will get pretty good time to hire his staff ,I like tarver , too much is made of his coaching at this point but its just lack of talent and the complexity of the system why it’s not working out yet but we should do fine next year with little bit more talent on that side
$$$$$$$$$$$)
Tarver “should do fine next year with little bit more talent”?!?!?!
WTF are you watching? We allowed 135 points in 3 games.
Our defense is worse this year than Chuck’s defense last year, and almost everyone thought this would be impossible.
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Watched our games against good Os last year ? Buffalo? Ne, Det, GB , Week 17 SD ? That’s what I’m talking about , we weren’t good enough to stop good Os not year and def not last year , one of the main reasons is the lack of pass rush which gotten even worse this year due to letting wimbley go
November 19th, 2012 at 10:13 am
reggie hired a young rookie hc, and gave him the power to hire his own staff….so he went on and hired people that wont threaten to take his own job…..of course he wont hire del rio or anyone with past credentials…why would he?…so jack can take his job within 2 yrs?..nah..knowing the team was going to be terrible, the coordinators will go before he does…smart guy
November 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Who were the lineman when Wauffle was here? That Dline had 46 sacks or so and it was relatively the same, except for Wimbley???
I could be wrong because I smoke much. =)
November 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
I’d like to see the defense get the majority of the picks in the draft…. Gawd they’ve been bad…..start with the DLine….to many very good Qbs in the NFL, gotta have a pass rush… And corners…
November 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Tarver isn’t playing safety and blowing coverages. Tarver isn’t creating huge holes for opposing RBs to run through. The Raiders just have too many dumb players on that defense. Look how many guys are holdovers from the previous regime:
Seymour
Kelly
Houston
Shaughnessy
McClain
Curry
Huff
Branch
Mitchell
Giordano (he’s not dumb just physically inferior)
November 19th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Charlie Says:
Get good players along the line like the Steelers and Ravens and you win the majority of your games. It is that simple.
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It’s funny how many people don’t understand that. The game is won in the trenches, both on offense and defense. Give your QB time and open holes for your RBs. Then put the other QB under duress and clog their running lanes.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:18 am
I don’t know why you guys keep crying about Hue ,yeah I get it games would have been more fun had we just lost by Fgs or by a TD cuz our O would have scored more but the reality is we wouldn’t have kept up with teams with good Os , cuz our D sucks , if you can’t put pressure with natural rush against good Qb’s you ain’t winning sH1t ,I’m sorry coaching doesn’t have anything to do with the pass rush ,if coaching could generate pass rush, teams like NYG would stop drafting guys like JPP in first rd or teams throwing money at pass rushers like they are going out of stock
November 19th, 2012 at 10:19 am
LOL TBB. I love this place.
10 & Then!
Still LOL
November 19th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Albert… Agree… It’s more poor play than scheme in my opinion…tackling is basic football…. Our team sucks at tackling… Coverage… How many times are our safety’s and corners gonna get beat deep before they Get it…. Gotta keep the WRs in front of you
November 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Ugh, that was predictably fugly!
OK, another 10am kickoff this week. This schedule is horrendous.
Go Raiders!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Fingers Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Albert… Agree… It’s more poor play than scheme in my opinion…tackling is basic football…. Our team sucks at tackling… Coverage… How many times are our safety’s and corners gonna get beat deep before they Get it…. Gotta keep the WRs in front of you
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Yeah, that deep pass to Lance Moore made me so angry. I realize Huff letting him go by, but where the hell was Mitchell?
November 19th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Fingers Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
I’d like to see the defense get the majority of the picks in the draft…. Gawd they’ve been bad…..start with the DLine….to many very good Qbs in the NFL, gotta have a pass rush… And corners…
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Thanks man, that’s what I’m talking about, teams like NYG, they keep drafting pass rushers year after year cuz they know its a passing league n you can’t win with out pass rush against good Qbs
November 19th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Charlie Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Banana.
Coaching is about 20% of the NFL game.
Talent and talent acquisition are 80% of the game.
How did Seifert do when he went from the Niners to the Panthers?
How did Turner and Fox do when they left the Raiders?
How has Shanahan done with the Redskins?
You think Reid got stupid? No Philly signed too many free agents like the Raiders did who have big contracts but average ability.
Get good players along the line like the Steelers and Ravens and you win the majority of your games. It is that simple.
John Madden said it best. “Talent is the most important factor to winning in the NFL.”
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And how did we do when we went to Dennis Allen with mostly the same players?
Look, I’m not disagreeing with you, but we are absolutely awful. What talent have we lost to explain going from mediocre to laughingstock getting blown out of every game?
Key losses were Routt, Wimbley, and Bush. Rott is watching football from his couch, Wimbley had 3.5 sacks, and Bush is averaging 3.7 ypc. This is the difference from mediocre to pathetic?
November 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
The bottom line is the new regime didn’t go in a certain direction and it’s back fired big time and has in the present, made things a lot worse. But, I can’t see them executing everyone on the coaching staff this winter either. Some of it being pride, some of it being patience/stability.
2013 will be the year to determine their fates. Reggie gets a turn to run a ‘real’ draft, has the option of making signficant roster changes through releasing guys, trades, FAs.
Next season, with a new roster of “their guys” the pressure will be(should be!) on DA, Knapp, Tarver, etc. to produce some results. No transitional excuses will exist anymore.
Historically under Al, it’s the Coaches who were the scapegoats. Perhaps this time in a new era, the players will pay the price? As much as it sucks right now, maybe this 180 turn in philosophy will turn out?
November 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Who were the lineman when Wauffle was here? That Dline had 46 sacks or so and it was relatively the same, except for Wimbley???
I could be wrong because I smoke much. =)
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Another great example.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Crazy that we dont have “talent” yet there is 3-4 first round picks on our defense?
November 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
This is Palmer’s Super Bowl this week. Hopefully the team rallies around him.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
McFadden 20,
I don’t think you understand the value of good coaching and what it can do for a team.
Denver won games with Tebow at QB because they adjusted their offense and the scheme to fit the Players. Miami did the same thing and used the wildcat offense.
Aren’t you a Fakers Fan? Why was Brown fired? He had an all star roster.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
This year was a waste due to salary cap hell , the only guy we got was Briesel , for 5 years 20 million, others were like 1 yr contracts for scrubs ,while teams went ahead and threw like 100 million at guys like Mario Williams or gotten #1 WR like Vjax around 60 million , or gotten difference makes in 1st and 2nd rounds like Doug Martin
November 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Crazy that we dont have “talent” yet there is 3-4 first round picks on our defense?
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Curry a bust. McClain a bust. Huff a bust. Seymour is old and washed up.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Lmao at the Bill Walsh comparison. So we should expect Super Bowl next year?
November 19th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Albert… That play was the Dagger that killed the Raiders will yesterday… I was pissed too… Sheesh..for crying out loud… It was 3rd down…^+#}.? Damn it…
November 19th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Denver won games with Tebow at QB because they adjusted their offense and the scheme to fit the Players.
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That was divine intervention.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Last week the Ravens put up 55 pts on this pathetic bunch of losers on defense, they manage 13 pts against the Steelers Defense, a team we beat this year. I would say the players have regressed, if that is not proof enough of the coaching ineptness, I don’t know what is.
Not only that, but I saw some defeated, don’t give a $hit faces out there yesterday. The veteran players have mailed it in. Kelly, McJogger, Gio..countless others have checked out.
I want what DA was snorting yesterday when he said that the players fought hard.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Zero impact players on D … None…a few good players but no game changers …
November 19th, 2012 at 10:29 am
I remember the defense under Gruden had one formation where the corners would play 5yds off the WR’s and safeties would basically line up wherever the first down yrd marker was at, on 3rd downs.
Keep everything in front of you and limit the big plays.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Crazy that we dont have “talent” yet there is 3-4 first round picks on our defense?
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Curry a bust. McClain a bust. Huff a bust. Seymour is old and washed up
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Huff shouldn’t count on that list….cuz remember, Art Shell ‘made’ Al pick him right instead of Leinart? lol
November 19th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Yep… The players are only fighting hard enough to be crap….
November 19th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Raider O Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
McFadden 20,
I don’t think you understand the value of good coaching and what it can do for a team.
Denver won games with Tebow at QB because they adjusted their offense and the scheme to fit the Players. Miami did the same thing and used the wildcat offense.
Aren’t you a Fakers Fan? Why was Brown fired? He had an all star roster.
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I understand the value of coaching And I agree Knapp was a bad hire but you don’t get that we lost against good Os last year and we are losing against good Os this year only 1 reason = pass rush
You want to bring up Den situation ? They had good D due to having #2 overall pick rushing from 1 side and another guy called Dumberville (Sp) rushing from the other side ? Name 1 guy on Our D our team wouldn’t trade straight up for either 1 of them..
Same thing with Miami , they had good D and they ran Wild cat with Williams and Brown ,which was kinda new to the league and teams eventually figured that sh1t out ,which is why nobody use that anymore
November 19th, 2012 at 10:34 am
mctroll20…excuses today? cmon we’re dieing to read them….
November 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am
My girlfriend told me yesterday not to buy her any Raider gear till they turn it around… It’s that bad…
November 19th, 2012 at 10:37 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
Keep everything in front of you and limit the big plays.
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That’s actually the same defensive philosophy that Dennis Allen is known for. Bend, but don’t break. Give them underneath stuff, make them work for it. They did that in New Orleans and Denver while he was there.
For some reason, these players just aren’t getting it in Oakland.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:37 am
The Big Banana Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Lmao at the Bill Walsh comparison. So we should expect Super Bowl next year?
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No but I bet nobody thought bill Walsh was going to win1 after his first year , I’m just not going to blame this sH1t on coaching only , can you blame DA for sum stuff like the OC hire and ST hire sure but you can’t really dispell the notion that this team doesn’t have talent to win
November 19th, 2012 at 10:40 am
RaidingTexas,
Maybe the players understood, break but don’t bend, instead of bend but don’t break. lol
November 19th, 2012 at 10:40 am
???? crickets….
November 19th, 2012 at 10:40 am
RaidingTexas Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:37 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
Keep everything in front of you and limit the big plays.
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That’s actually the same defensive philosophy that Dennis Allen is known for. Bend, but don’t break. Give them underneath stuff, make them work for it. They did that in New Orleans and Denver while he was there.
For some reason, these players just aren’t getting it in Oakland.
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Den have a freaking awesome pass rush both V miller and the dumerville guy would be top 2 players on our D , Saints drafted players like Ellis, and others in first rd but DA wasn’t the DCO in NO
November 19th, 2012 at 10:40 am
The safety’s and corners seem like they aren’t trying to make plays on the ball…. I never see them turn and look for the ball….
November 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Reggie knew we were going to be a weak little sister this season.
Getting whipped by 45 points a game????????
Reggie believes it has to get worse before it can get better. In LA.
REGGIE TANKED THIS SEASON ON PURPOSE.
Reggie murdered the Raiders. So he can replace them with a team made in his own image.
Reggie will take his losers back to LA before this team wins again.
Kiss the Oakland Raiders good bye because they won’t be coming back this way again.
Just TANK Baby.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am
I understand the value of coaching And I agree Knapp was a bad hire but you don’t get that we lost against good Os last year and we are losing against good Os this year only 1 reason = pass rush
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We have the same core players on the DL, we added a few more players, and we lost Wimbley. Are you saying losing wimbley caused the DL to regress?
You are missing the point with Denver and Miami. They had a good defense but needed creativity on offense. We have a good offense (even with Knapp who also lacks creativity), but we don’t have good coaching on defense to help the unit overachieve.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:40 am
???? crickets….
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Fukk off troll
November 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am
We currently have the worst ppg allowed defense since the 0-16 Detroit Lions of 2008!! And we’re only better than that team by .1 ppg!!! No other team even close in the last 10 years.
I’d say there will be some pretty big changes this offseason.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am
fingers Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am
My girlfriend told me yesterday not to buy her any Raider gear till they turn it around… It’s that bad…
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My wife will only wear Bucs gear now. Actually to tell the truth, red looks better on her anyway. I got my arm twisted into wearing a Bucs cap in a family photo where everyone is wearing Bucs gear. I oblige. Yeah, I’m whupped.
This is what happens when your team sucks! I just threw up in my mouth a little.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Folks, this team has gone from bad to disaster!
Allen = Clueless
Knapp = More Clueless
Tarver = Lost
Hoffman = Incompetent
McKenzie = Beyond Clueless
Offensive Line = Inept
Defensive Line = Tired
McFadden = Overrated
Special Teams = Comedy
Recievers = Afraid
Palmer = Inconsistent
And to top this off, why do we punish ourselves with Huff…he can’t play FS or CB in the dust chasing receivers! Season has been over since week 4. Nothing to watch but how much more regression
November 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am
LOL, I have known so many that have lost bets or gave in to wearing other team’s gear…me, NEVER! I’ll never get in any remote chance to make a bet or give in to peer/family pressure! Sorry, not downing anyone for doing that, but I have 3 teams, and I will never wear anything else (NBA, NFL, MLB) from any other team in those leagues besides my own!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
Den have a freaking awesome pass rush both V miller and the dumerville guy would be top 2 players on our D , Saints drafted players like Ellis, and others in first rd but DA wasn’t the DCO in NO
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I understand that. But I’m talking about the secondary philosophy. Those are the guys that have to keep the play in front of them to prevent the huge gains. And he was the secondary coach in NO.
But you’re right. Having those beasts for pass rush would definitely help the secondary a lot.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:46 am
cmon mctroll20…enlighten us with your da excuses or reggie bootlicking…
November 19th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:37 am
The Big Banana Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Lmao at the Bill Walsh comparison. So we should expect Super Bowl next year?
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No but I bet nobody thought bill Walsh was going to win1 after his first year , I’m just not going to blame this sH1t on coaching only , can you blame DA for sum stuff like the OC hire and ST hire sure but you can’t really dispell the notion that this team doesn’t have talent to win
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Not only, but a big part of it. When Gruden came here, he didn’t make our team worse. Bill Walsh, even in his bad 1st year, didn’t make his team worse. Cable didn’t make the team worse. Hue didn’t make the team worse.
DA? Unless we go 7-1 the rest of the way, has made this team much worse with virtually the same cast.
Not sure why that’s so hard to understand.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Raider O Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am
I understand the value of coaching And I agree Knapp was a bad hire but you don’t get that we lost against good Os last year and we are losing against good Os this year only 1 reason = pass rush
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We have the same core players on the DL, we added a few more players, and we lost Wimbley. Are you saying losing wimbley caused the DL to regress?
You are missing the point with Denver and Miami. They had a good defense but needed creativity on offense. We have a good offense (even with Knapp who also lacks creativity), but we don’t have good coaching on defense to help the unit
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Really dude??? Good coaching on D side?? We don’t have pass rushers ? Kell and Seymour are year older and 1 is always injured , Shaugnesst is coming off major injury , Houston is a DT asked to rush the pass rusher from edge, like I said until our team get some guys at the line up scrimmage who can get to the QB with natural pressure , we won’t beat good QBs , coaching doesn’t have anything to do with that
November 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Not only much worse record-wise, but they way we are losing is effing ugly. Awful.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Bravo Hwnrdr,
You are da man!
I feel like a commie ruskie pinko traitor wearing any other color but Silver and Black. It’s frign torture. But I try to act like it doesn’t matter too much. Try to act cool. But I hate it. My smile is completely painted and unnatural.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
The Big Banana Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Not only much worse record-wise, but they way we are losing is effing ugly. Awful.
Especially at home! Awful! Mark Davis apologized…I wanna hear the the whole darn team apologize!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Sure coaches dont matter at all…. why even have them in the hall of fame? Dumb monkeys
November 19th, 2012 at 10:50 am
RaidingTexas Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
Den have a freaking awesome pass rush both V miller and the dumerville guy would be top 2 players on our D , Saints drafted players like Ellis, and others in first rd but DA wasn’t the DCO in NO
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I understand that. But I’m talking about the secondary philosophy. Those are the guys that have to keep the play in front of them to prevent the huge gains. And he was the secondary coach in NO.
But you’re right. Having those beasts for pass rush would definitely help the secondary a lot.
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It just s8cks that we have no pass rush and our D just breaks down after covering for so long and eventually they give up a long bomb
November 19th, 2012 at 10:50 am
http://lakernation.com/2012/11/taiwanese-animators-nmas-take-on-the-hiring-of-dantoni/
LMAO
November 19th, 2012 at 10:51 am
guest123 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Bravo Hwnrdr,
You are da man!
I feel like a commie ruskie pinko traitor wearing any other color but Silver and Black. It’s frign torture. But I try to act like it doesn’t matter too much. Try to act cool. But I hate it. My smile is completely painted and unnatural.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:52 am
On O side our coaching suckks we should score little bit more there but on D it s what it is , can’t blame the coaching , teams like NyG who have beast pass rush , it’s cuz they keep drafting pass rushers , if it was just coaching, they would just get any guy off the street
November 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am
The thing I don’t understand is that our HC is a defensive mined coach. Help your defense Titty Monkey!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Locals here in Tampa, coworkers and friends take pity on me. “why don’t you just convert to being a Bucs fan?” You could watch them anytime, and take your son to see the games. He’d grow up a Bucs fan and you’d have that in common. And they are actually a good team”
I get this a lot. I don’t think it’s smack talk either, just good old fashion pity.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Guest123 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am
fingers Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am
My girlfriend told me yesterday not to buy her any Raider gear till they turn it around… It’s that bad…
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My wife will only wear Bucs gear now. Actually to tell the truth, red looks better on her anyway. I got my arm twisted into wearing a Bucs cap in a family photo where everyone is wearing Bucs gear. I oblige. Yeah, I’m whupped.
This is what happens when your team sucks! I just threw up in my mouth a little.
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My daughter won’t wear her jersey. And she is 5.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Guest… Lol… I can understand doing what ya have to do to keep the women at home happy… Sometimes it’s easiest just to go along…..
My girl was born in San Francisco… Took her to a Raider game and got her hooked…. But she’s had enough of this current product… Won’t wear anymore Raider gear till they start playing better…. Don’t have to win… But they gotta play better
November 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am
excuse 1
It just s8cks that we have no pass rush and our D just breaks down after covering for so long and eventually they give up a long bomb
November 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
A team regressing has plenty to do with coaching.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
No worries Guest…there are people here that try to get me to convert to a Niner Fan! Sorry…NO! People outside of the Nation really will never get it!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
The Defense and Special teams have been so horrible it’s spilled over to the offense…..
November 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Minded*
November 19th, 2012 at 10:57 am
My daughter won’t wear her jersey. And she is 5.
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I think it’s just a little girl thing. Girls don’t like silver and black. They like prissy feminine colors. That’s why the crimson and butterscotch of the 49ers is so popular with the 5 yo girls and unpopular with the Raiders.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
No worries Guest…there are people here that try to get me to convert to a Niner Fan! Sorry…NO! People outside of the Nation really will never get it!
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I could never wear 49er gear. That would be a deal breaker. Never!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:58 am
But even if hue was here and we were putting up some points on board I still believe our lack of talent on D would have given us no chance to beat good QBs ,it is what it is now, DA made a bad choice at OC and special teams coach , he can change that next year but if we want to win a championship , we have to go NyG route , keep drafting beast pass rushers , this is why they go so High , you don’t see CBs or OL or even WR get picked so high, Mario Williams was #1 pick ,Von miller was#2 , pass rush is a must in this time where Ds are not allowed to even touch receivers
November 19th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Hey mac20 how come you called me a troll when i said are defense sucks waay back? Remember? I told you the atlanta game was fools gold and our d is trash…? I also told you that you would see the same shìt as me. Only it would take you longer.. remember? You said our d was great? Playoffs for us??
November 19th, 2012 at 10:59 am
666
November 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am
The raiders are a rotting carcass. the season has been buried & the shovel is covered in carsons prints. The talk of validating the trade is now laughable and it is time to close the book on this god awful chapter.
The official flop status now stamped, there are still a few things I am interested to know.
Does Davis have a little of his old man in him? The mid season presser breathing fire in a coolly calculated way was awesome. Although davis sr. didnt spend much time in front of the camera from h elate 80’s on when he did appear it was always must see tv. Some of sr.’s most memorable moments were both in celebration and after losing seasons, and firing coaches. I loved what mark davis had to say.
What about TP6? Now the question is no longer deemed absurd, as media asked davis a direct question about the future of TP6 and lienart. I found his answer very interesting, and i dont think allen will be allowed to keep TP 6 inactive much longer.
What about allen? he didnt exactly get a ringing endorsement from davis, so I dont believe he has impressed, and this may be just a flat out miss by big mack. The question is what does big mack do? How long will he allow da to lose until his own job is in question?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am
CVRaider Says:
November 18th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Harbaugh changed S.F in one season, same players, ALL COACHING
Gruden took the Bucs who cold never win a playoff game to champs in one season, ALL COACHING
Peyton took an inept saints tan to Super Bowl champs in just a fewseasons, ALL COACHING
Jimmy Johnson 1-15 to 2 super bowls, and players admit they should have won 2 more but didnt after he left, ALL COACHING
Patriots were the joke of the NFL before Parcells got there, went to a super bowl. Pete carrol.sent them backwards, Bellicek shows up, need i say more, ALL COACHING
Tom Caughlin took a.talented but underachieving team when he got there to TWO S.B. wins. ALL COACHINGCOACHING
Bill Walsh…… Niners.were.garbage before he got there, ALL COACHING.
Cower had slash, and pick city odonnel as.QB, was still good for so many years, ALL COACHING
The exception to the rule is Ray Lewis, but he might as well be a coach cause Billick wasnt.that good.All these coaches coached hard, preached discipline and would get the very best out of their players. So no, lets no trade Dmac, Palmer or anybody that is good, lets get the right coach.
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I have to disagree. All those SB winning coaches had excellent personel to work with. What do the Raiders have? Name me the game changers we have on the team?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Marks hair.
Coaches are about 20% of the game. Perhaps a bit more if they heavily impact the draft.
The ones that have great talent and coach long enough win enough games and get into the Hall.
What the h*ll does that have to do with our pathetic franchise TODAY!!!!!
No coach can with with our talent.
Mr Davis deluded himself into thinking we had good players and he kept changing coaches WITH THE SAME PATHETIC RESULTS FOR THE LAST TEN YEARS. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU?
Do you even know what the Raiders used to be?
John Madden is in the Hall. But as he said in his acceptance speech he could never have done it without GREAT PLAYERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am
I got my arm twisted into wearing a Bucs cap in a family photo where everyone is wearing Bucs gear.
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No f*cking way would I do that. I’d rather get a divorce.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Same here… I was born and Raised in the Eastbay… Richmond … Silver and Black till I die …
November 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am
My wife wanted to go shopping yesterday, and she wanted me to go. I told her that I wanted to watch the game. She asked why bother since they were going to lose.
She was right. Should have went shopping. I need a few things and I like mall food.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:02 am
We have regressed on O ,we have regressed in special teams, D is what it was last year
O and special teams are fixable , D is depended on if we can bring better pass rushers, if we can do that, then we can make top Qb’s look average for once , if not expect the same results even if the O is putting up 30 ppg
November 19th, 2012 at 11:03 am
“But even if hue was here and we were putting up some points on board I still believe our lack of talent on D would have given us no chance to beat good QBs ”
Look at New Orleans and New England they have to score 40-50 points per game because their defense sucks so bad.
We would probably look like now if Hue was retained.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:03 am
London
Please do your research.
In every example you sight, these teams had been building strong lines on both sides of the ball or were in the process of doing so.
Jimmy Johnson was 1-15 in his first season.
No coach wins in the NFL without great players and we have a very weak and thin roster.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:03 am
mctroll20 calls anyone who disagrees with him a troll…
November 19th, 2012 at 11:04 am
My earliest memory is centered around the Raiders, Hayward-Fremont-Oakland family taking trips on the Bart to the stadium. At family reunions, if it wasn’t talk about the Raiders, we pretty much had lost looks on our faces. Raider Nation was alive then before the term was coined. That was 40 some years ago for me. I can’t recall any memory earlier than that.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Just hope they can get this turned around before we die of Old Age….it’s been a decade now… Enough !
November 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Should have went shopping. I need a few things and I like mall food.
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Mall rat! I knew it.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am
This D is worse than it was compared to last year. They are giving up the same amount of points NBA teams do in one half.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Got some chores to do…y’all be good … Raider on…later…
November 19th, 2012 at 11:06 am
“Name me the game changers we have on the team?”
We have game changers on our team….when one of our guys commits a stupid penalty most often it changes the game!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am
LOL 666 Rules!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Hey mac20 how come you called me a troll when i said are defense sucks waay back? Remember? I told you the atlanta game was fools gold and our d is trash…? I also told you that you would see the same shìt as me. Only it would take you longer.. remember? You said our d was great? Playoffs for us??
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I was referring to them turning the corner in rush D , n I still believe we have changed the corner, it’s the pass rush that I realized wasn’t going to stop opposing Os , I saw that in preseason but run D is better than previous years but overall they s*ck you were right I just bought into the hype after couple of good games
November 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am
There is no need to run the ball on us. Just pass it 35-40 times.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
A team regressing has plenty to do with coaching.
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Obviously.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:03 am
“But even if hue was here and we were putting up some points on board I still believe our lack of talent on D would have given us no chance to beat good QBs ”
Look at New Orleans and New England they have to score 40-50 points per game because their defense sucks so bad.
We would probably look like now if Hue was retained.
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There D’s s7ck but not as much as ours which can’t even get 5 yards close to a QB on a 3 and 15 play , their Os are way better than us , all NO receivers will either be #1 or #2 on our team , Ne have nice set of receivers as well
November 19th, 2012 at 11:12 am
LOL Guest.
What’s the name of that hairy fat guy with a beard?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Not obvious to all, obviously. lol Hue was the king of the word obvious.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Regresstion or not , we are not good enough to beat good passing teams , even if hue was here , we are still #1 WR and heathy McFadden away from going toe to toe with high scoring teams even they we would lose because I can’t imagine another team with worst pass rush then us
November 19th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:06 am
“Name me the game changers we have on the team?”
We have game changers on our team….when one of our guys commits a stupid penalty most often it changes the game!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
That’s funny!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Raider O Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:06 am
“Name me the game changers we have on the team?”
We have game changers on our team….when one of our guys commits a stupid penalty most often it changes the game!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
That’s funny!
As funny as that is, it is also painfully right!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:16 am
This is a SYSTEMIC FAIL from top to bottom. Firing the coaching staff would be like putting perfume on a pig.
REGGIE MUST GO.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:16 am
This lack of talent bellyaching is such a joke! I remember how guys were so excited about the talent on this team last year, especially after the 1st San Diego game. Yeah, we lost some guys, but there are a lot of people on this board that said it was addition by subtraction. Time to just admit that we let one hell of a coach go in exchange for the unknown. Not so unknown anymore is it?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Anyways I’m out , if we don’t get pass rushers next year , expect same results , if you guys want to dream of top 10 O which was actually #16 last year , we are still #1 and a decent #2 Wr away and a healthy McFadden (which will never happen) from winning high scoring shootouts with teams like NO
November 19th, 2012 at 11:17 am
zone blocking scheme and zone defense svcked then and still svcks now
November 19th, 2012 at 11:19 am
654.guest123 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Locals here in Tampa, coworkers and friends take pity on me. “why don’t you just convert to being a Bucs fan?” You could watch them anytime, and take your son to see the games. He’d grow up a Bucs fan and you’d have that in common. And they are actually a good team”
I get this a lot. I don’t think it’s smack talk either, just good old fashion pity.
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Why not root for 2 teams, especially if you live there, and your boy could cheer for the home town team.
I’m sure seeing your son all excited over football, regardless of the teams colours, would be worth more than any Raider victory. Just my 2¢
November 19th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
It just s8cks that we have no pass rush and our D just breaks down after covering for so long and eventually they give up a long bomb
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Yep. That’s exactly why I don’t think the issue is scheme. They do really well on a lot of plays. Huff even had a few good passes defended. But then all of a sudden, a mental breakdown by Huff letting someone get 10 yards behind him and it quickly unravels.
And the tackling is awful. Wow. I know when Ingram gets some momentum that that’s a lot of weight to bring down to the turf. But man those guys are paid to make tackles. You have to find a way to do it.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:20 am
It is what it is man , our team wasnt good last year , you guys bought into the hype , we just faced too many weak teams on the roster not so lucky with the schedule this year
November 19th, 2012 at 11:22 am
On the schedule ****^^€not roster . I guess all that losing is getting to my head
November 19th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Well, licked my wounds, and ready to drink the kool-aid and predict another 30+ offensive explosion again this week.
Hey, did you guys see Bergs on that late failed 4th down run? Never mind we failed miserably at the actual play, Bergs completely pancaked his dude into the turf. Awesome!!!!
Reece having a career year under Knapp? He might have more yards this season than his entire career coming into 2012.
McClain with 10 tackles and the only TFL on the whole team. Aging like a fine bottle of Ice Cuvee.
Penalties are down, staff has unearthed the secret apparently. And 9 for 9 on challenges this year? That might be an NFL record that will never be broken.
Ahhh………that is the 2012 Raiders. Feel the excitement!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:20 am
It is what it is man , our team wasnt good last year , you guys bought into the hype , we just faced too many weak teams on the roster not so lucky with the schedule this year
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We beat Houston last year. Houston would beat us 78-0 this year.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Al is the Raiders .. You don’t know what your talking about , take your trolling somewhere else
November 19th, 2012 at 11:25 am
great, now if only quack comes around ans sees the truth…its ok mctroll20 you just drank too much kool aid…
November 19th, 2012 at 11:26 am
I said it 85 times I will say it 85 more.
If Stefan Wisniewski was named Stefan Williams, people would be calling for his head.
He sucks. At least at center. Never any push on running plays, too many penalties, caves the pocket in pass-protection.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
RaiderDebo Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:20 am
It is what it is man , our team wasnt good last year , you guys bought into the hype , we just faced too many weak teams on the roster not so lucky with the schedule this year
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We beat Houston last year. Houston would beat us 78-0 this year.
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That only happened cuz our team played lights out after A D died , check our games against good Os , n come back and tell me what you think
November 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Desmond Bryant = stud
More Ivy league guys please.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Al_is_theraiders is probably Herrera.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Catching up.
So, the “owner” of the Oakland Raiders (with no heir apparent around) has major surgery that could have left him paralyzed or worse and nobody in the media even notices.
Don’t know if that says more about Mark’s talents or the media’s limited focus.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Desmond Bryant = stud
More Ivy league guys please.
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How about we pick up Ryan Fitzpatrick in the off season.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:25 am
great, now if only quack comes around ans sees the truth…its ok mctroll20 you just drank too much kool aid…
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??????? Your just stupid
November 19th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Qodrn1 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Catching up.
So, the “owner” of the Oakland Raiders (with no heir apparent around) has major surgery that could have left him paralyzed or worse and nobody in the media even notices.
Don’t know if that says more about Mark’s talents or the media’s limited focus.
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If Mark Davis dies, Eddie Money inherits the team.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:29 am
abp…youre funnier as klas…
November 19th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Debo
I liked Hue. I liked Cable.
They lacked talent as well.
We have not had playoff talent in a decade.
Do you know what a pass rush looks like?
Maybe we should blitz more. Oh, thats right, that is what people like you used to blame the old defensive coaches and scheme for results like we have been getting this year.
Get real. Our players our weak which is why we get crushed by good teams.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Tick….tick….tick
The clock is imposing on palmers raider career, and it is soon time to pull the plug in favor of TP6!
Palmer has been a failure of monumental proportions to date in oakland. he was heralded as the golden haired savior, and has only been the harbinger of fleas.
Now the impostors fans are melting down left with their folly for fools company.
Can palmer having now been exposed as a fraud still be sold to the public at full ticket price? He is leading loss after loss and now has a miserable record of 7-13.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Al_is_theraiders is probably Herrera.
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Makes total sense now
November 19th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Breakfast out – $30
Gas – $20
Lunch – $15
Tickets – $228
Seeing your favorite team get walloped live and in person? EXPENSIVE!
Fix this Schit, Reggie and Mark!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
If Mark Davis dies, Eddie Money inherits the team.
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Well if he can get these crappy players to walk on water, I’m all for it.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Mush, stop rooting for the Raiders.
Thanks for the tip $$$$.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
mctroll any more excuses for reggie? cmon genius tell us how the zbs is gonna blow everybody away…or how the bend dont break zone defense will be a top defense…maybe hiw burris will be the def rookie of the year…lol talk about stupid…
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Who cares about QB situation , the bigger problems lie on the D side , yes trade C P ,draft which ever black QB that will make certain posters happy , the results ain’t changing if the D is same and the QB is throwing to patch work WRs
November 19th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I do think we have a chance this week. Getting booed at home sucks, so going into a hostile environment should be a refreshing change. And the whole Palmer vs Mike Brown angle makes this must-see TV. Our team should be hyped. Just like the Atlanta game, our DBs should thrive against Cincy’s fraud QB. Just have to hope (and this is a stretch) that Palmer can avoid the cruicial mistakes that have tarnished his legacy. Keep your fingers crossed!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Coming into yesterday’s game, the Saints had what was, statistically speaking, the worst defense in the history of the NFL. Just saying…..
November 19th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
mctroll any more excuses for reggie? cmon genius tell us how the zbs is gonna blow everybody away…or how the bend dont break zone defense will be a top defense…maybe hiw burris will be the def rookie of the year…lol talk about stupid…
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Are you dumb or what ??? ZBS is fine, I have problem with who’s coaching at and calling the plays, DAs D is fine ,they just don’t have any pass rushers to make it work
November 19th, 2012 at 11:34 am
People still so hunkered down in their debate that they can’t let any little thing go.
I said Carson would be an upgrade. Guess what, he isn’t. Not really that manly (lol) to come onto annomyous message board and say that.
People bash Knapp for anything and everything, no matter what. People say he doesn’t use Reece enough. Than we use him more than ever, and he was too stupid to use him earlier, and praise the guy before him who used him less.
Knapp could be the worst OC ever, but that doesn’t mean 100% of what he does is wrong. He is using Reece flawlessly, absolutlely without flaw. Could just be the sun shining on a Monkey’s (Hello O!!) azz, but some people are so bias and hunkered into their own internal debate, they wouldn’t even allow the notion that he has an azz for the sun to shine on.
MM34 is putrid. Where’s the “Missile” lovers? McClain is the only guy on some 25 running plays to actually tackle the guy in the backfield, and nobody can take a deep breathe and say, “he still may suck, but he looks marginally better of late”. Nope, never will happen.
Taiwan Jones??? Give it rest. Another game where it took him all of 3 touches to get hurt or fumble. He stinks, but let’s blame Knapp. I do blame him, for giving him the 3 carriers to begin with.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:34 am
The chiefs fans wore all black to Sunday’s game to show their disappointment to the organization. We should all wear white and turn the black hole into the white hole cuz Al never wanted to wear white at home
November 19th, 2012 at 11:35 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:27 am
RaiderDebo Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:20 am
It is what it is man , our team wasnt good last year , you guys bought into the hype , we just faced too many weak teams on the roster not so lucky with the schedule this year
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We beat Houston last year. Houston would beat us 78-0 this year.
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That only happened cuz our team played lights out after A D died , check our games against good Os , n come back and tell me what you think
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Because AD died??? Please tell me you’re kidding. And I suppose it was A.D.’s ghost that was the 11th man on the final play, right?? You slay me!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:35 am
A: “As I said, coming in I didn’t know that we had a Super Bowl team and everything, but you can’t blame it on the salary cap and all that. You have players and you coach ‘em and you play. You got to be Raiders.”
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The above quote from Mark Davis leads me to believe what I have thought all along. Mark is not tied to D.A.
He will get fired after 1 maybe 1.4 season ala Kiffin/Shannarat. Like father like son.
Reggie will be around for a while though.
Andy Reid 2013!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Palmer is forcing passes to receivers who aren’t open , direct result of how horrible he thinks the D is and he has to start taking risks
November 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am
now you have a problem with coaching? took you what 10 preaseason games? thats what they are ir havent you seen the scrubs come in at the end of the game?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Fire the pencil neck coach and his side show coaching staff.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Bob Marley Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Ddwight
“I predicted 4-12. We are on pace for that. Knew it when DA brought Tarver and Knapp to the staff!!!”
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You were one of the few then, probably 95% of the regulars figured the 2012 Raiders would be better than the 2010-11 teams and the coaching change was the main reason.
Yes, a lot of guys told us the coaching “improvement” alone would make this team better, I recall some saying it would even be worth a couple of more wins, we were supposed to fight for the Division and be in the hunt for a wild-card spot.
I didn’t hear many people bash the talent base back then as they suddenly do now, of course we all saw some holes and knew this team needed a few more pieces, but all of a sudden most of these players can’t play but Coaching is not an issue?.
B.S.
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How could anyone had felt different? To be honest, I didn’t think getting rid of Hue was a fix…he was a 1st year coach, and we played with fire & guts against other teams with him…and our offense for the 1st time since Gruden was here, looked like an actual bonafide NFL offense with lots of potential…plus remember breshnahan was not Hues pick for DC. As soon as Knapp was re-hired I knew this year would be 3-13,4-12 at best…every team that he was fired from there offenses turned it around the next year (that got to tell you sumthin,and when cable was here he took play calling away from him) the Tarver hiring was icing on the cake!!! This aint the NCAA man!!! What Defense do you know that Stanford.U was known for???
November 19th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Tommy Kelly = 1 assisted tackle.
A gazillion dollars just don’t get you what it used to.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Did Eddie Money kill it yesterday in Raiderville? I haven’t heard anything…If he walked on water, maybe Mark and company should be his little baby!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Because AD died??? Please tell me you’re kidding. And I suppose it was A.D.’s ghost that was the 11th man on the final play, right?? You slay me!!
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So you don’t think the team played inspired after their legendary owner passed away?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:38 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Who cares about QB situation , the bigger problems lie on the D side , yes trade C P ,draft which ever black QB that will make certain posters happy
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I make 2 post and instant race baiting.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:39 am
mctrolling20 is the new definition…
November 19th, 2012 at 11:40 am
On a side not, locked in the RV parking pass for the Bronco’s Thursday night game.
I am fully expecting us to play Pryor, have it rain and be miserable weather, and lose 30-3.
At this stage, it is all pretty much funny to me.
Talk draft, talk up the next season, predict an AFC West run, watch it blow up in our face before Turkey Day, argue with other posters, and than do it all the next season.
I’m In, I am geeked, I am ready to let it rip and build a bully, be multiple and let the iron sharpen iron.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Enough of Hue ,just go and check the freaking schedule ,only 2 wins came against top 15 Os … In 1 SDs entire Oline was injured , another was after AD died ,enough of hue BS, we lack talent, it will only be fixed if we can spend money to bring in some talent and through draft picks
November 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Charlie Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:03 am
London
Please do your research.
In every example you sight, these teams had been building strong lines on both sides of the ball or were in the process of doing so.
Jimmy Johnson was 1-15 in his first season.
No coach wins in the NFL without great players and we have a very weak and thin roster.
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Charlie, crossed wires. That is exacly what I am saying. Great coaches have great players. I was reposting CVRaider’s words on it is only coaching that counts. I am polar to him on that!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Carson will need to retire to his couch and make way for Mission TP6.
After watching newton and Griffin this weekend I cant help but wonder what we can do with all of our speed weapons and Pryor.
Misdirection motions spread attacks quick passing offense. Pistol formations and shotguns, reverses, play actions for deep passing and qb reads.
Yep that will be at least fun to watch
November 19th, 2012 at 11:42 am
I’m In, I am geeked, I am ready to let it rip and build a bully, be multiple and let the iron sharpen iron.
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We ARE Multiple. There are multiple ways to score on us at will… The only thing getting sharpened is the opponents TD dances in our endzone!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:38 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Who cares about QB situation , the bigger problems lie on the D side , yes trade C P ,draft which ever black QB that will make certain posters happy
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I make 2 post and instant race baiting.
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You are always mentioning black Qb’s ,so it’s true if TP starts or we draft a black QB ,you will be happy
November 19th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Misdirection motions spread attacks quick passing offense. Pistol formations and shotguns, reverses, play actions for deep passing and qb reads.
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Truth be told, do you think our WR’s can handle that? They clearly can’t with Palmer throwing the ball. I don’t care how much you hate Palmer, but our WR’s are doing him no favors.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Carson will need to retire to his couch and make way for Mission TP6.
After watching newton and Griffin this weekend I cant help but wonder what we can do with all of our speed weapons and Pryor.
Misdirection motions spread attacks quick passing offense. Pistol formations and shotguns, reverses, play actions for deep passing and qb reads.
Yep that will be at least fun to watch
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Fun in a way that no. Body have seen them play before but will get old pretty quick after those plays get stuffed at the LOS
November 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I’m In, I am geeked, I am ready to let it rip and build a bully, be multiple and let the iron sharpen iron.
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obviously you will see an “explosive offense”
November 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Penalties are down, staff has unearthed the secret apparently.
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Tommy Kelly has stopped jumping off sides, thus the zero sacks…
November 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
he was heralded as the golden haired savior
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racist
November 19th, 2012 at 11:46 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Enough of Hue ,just go and check the freaking schedule ,only 2 wins came against top 15 Os … In 1 SDs entire Oline was injured , another was after AD died ,enough of hue BS, we lack talent, it will only be fixed if we can spend money to bring in some talent and through draft picks
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You still need a coach, to coach talent…this DA thing is going nowhere, believe me!!! You still have to know what OC & DC coordinators to bring in…better start with this romper-room coaching staff.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:46 am
743.mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:38 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Who cares about QB situation , the bigger problems lie on the D side , yes trade C P ,draft which ever black QB that will make certain posters happy
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I make 2 post and instant race baiting.
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You are always mentioning black Qb’s ,so it’s true if TP starts or we draft a black QB ,you will be happy
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That isn’t fair, Mistic was a huge supporter of Kyle Boller being our backup QB last year…which led to the Carson Palmer trade. Don’t shoot the messanger!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:46 am
The only thing getting sharpened is the opponents TD dances in our endzone!
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I thought Moore’s Gangnam dance was very half-azzed.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I hope for Pryor’s sake that they don’t decide to start him. He will have no NFL career at all if plays anything close to the preseason (minus the 4 plays against detroits practice squad)
November 19th, 2012 at 11:47 am
I no longer know what to say about this hapless team except for one thing:
Watching Reese carry the ball the last two games confirms that McFadden can’t be the guy. I know McFadden doesn’t like zone blocking and the line has been terrible, but there is no excuse for him to run into the first available tackler every play for the same 2 yards. Reese is playing behind the same line, in the same scheme, but hits the holes hard, breaks arm tackles and looks for space.
McFadden has all the ability in the world, but if things aren’t going his way, he folds. Time to trade him for whatever pick we can get and go with some mid-rounder who wants to run to daylight.
As for the rest of the team, I’m out of ideas…
November 19th, 2012 at 11:47 am
“Iron sharpen iron”
Fred Flinstone was a character who I didn’t mind.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Our 7th round pick this year just got signed to the Eagles!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
YO YO YO BROHAMS & BROSLAMS
The Beeech Dawg is back and full effect, word
Yo, the game straight up BLEW CHUNKS yesterday, but at least the mighty Bruins mopped the Rose Bowl with Barkley’s jersey
Got hella wasted, ended up humping a bag of marshmallows then almost burned my pubes off
Me and the Krew ordered 10 large pies from Papa Johns and got our grub on for the Lake Show, you know KOBE BEAN is n the hizzy
Triple Double style, gettin’ ready to hang #17
That’s just how them BIG DAWGS BARK, woof woof meow
WRECKS N FULL EFFECT
November 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
After watching newton and Griffin this weekend I cant help but wonder what we can do with all of our speed weapons and Pryor.
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I watched those games prior to ours as well.
Nothing like spending a day watching last placed football!!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Offseason priority should be fix the D first
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1. fix D
2. Fix d
3. Fix d
4. #1 Wr
5. OL
November 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:38 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Who cares about QB situation , the bigger problems lie on the D side , yes trade C P ,draft which ever black QB that will make certain posters happy
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I make 2 post and instant race baiting.
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Mistic, your brand is tainted. Your going to have to change your handle if you want to remove associations with your posts.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:50 am
can carcass palmer some how salvage some dignity with a win at the bungles bowl 2012?
He has played in a malaise like a weasel full on road kill. Turn over after mind blowing turnover have sunk his reputation like a smelly turd goes down a toilet. The losses pile up and he is powerless to stem the avalanche, he is helplessly buried.
This is some of the worst qb play i have seen since the grad jamarcuss days. The palmer worshippers have tucked tail. They are waiving white flags and buckle under the weight of their foolish prognostications.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Carl Weathers Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Penalties are down, staff has unearthed the secret apparently.
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Tommy Kelly has stopped jumping off sides, thus the zero sacks
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You may be on to something. I would hate to think that we have blunted our aggressiveness on D. Might be the only answer for this year’s D being worse than last year’s (didn’t think this was possible). Greg Schiano gets it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/greg-schiano-love-see-bucs-rack-penalties-184855498–nfl.html
November 19th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Mistic, you must be on cloud 9 right now. Palmer played bad, the Radiers lost, and you get to watch Campbell vs Kaepernick tonight.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:38 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Who cares about QB situation , the bigger problems lie on the D side , yes trade C P ,draft which ever black QB that will make certain posters happy
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I make 2 post and instant race baiting.
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Mistic, your brand is tainted. Your going to have to change your handle if you want to remove associations with your posts.
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Instead of race baiting being condemned it is confirmed by other posters.
Both of you now race baiting
Do you have a football take?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Ddwight Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:46 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Enough of Hue ,just go and check the freaking schedule ,only 2 wins came against top 15 Os … In 1 SDs entire Oline was injured , another was after AD died ,enough of hue BS, we lack talent, it will only be fixed if we can spend money to bring in some talent and through draft picks
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You still need a coach, to coach talent…this DA thing is going nowhere, believe me!!! You still have to know what OC & DC coordinators to bring in…better start with this romper-room coaching staff.
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I don’t know about DC Tarver, he’s pretty much have his hands tied with no pass rushers in a passing league, if he blitz he gets killed 4 man rush he gets killed,..
I wouldn’t mind DA bringing in better OC and special teams coach
November 19th, 2012 at 11:53 am
He has played in a malaise like a weasel full on road kill. Turn over after mind blowing turnover have sunk his reputation like a smelly turd goes down a toilet. The losses pile up and he is powerless to stem the avalanche, he is helplessly buried.
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Who brought up Mike Vick?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Not to take anything away from Reece who is one of my favorite players but I don’t think N.O. gave him too much credit before the game and Reece kind of caught them off guard. In the 2nd half it wasn’t really neccasary for the Saints D to make any adjustments seeing as they took the opening kickoff to the house and Ingram had that td early in the 3rd quarter. Basically they didn’t really care what Marcel did as long the Raiders didn’t score.
Reece still is a bright spot on this sorry excuse for a team. I will always love the Raiders but I’m really struggling to buy what our coach and his “staff” are selling.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:54 am
at least we know what that “it” factor was that da had….bullsheit….
November 19th, 2012 at 11:55 am
DA should fire Tarver, call the defensive plays himself, and make a bold move and inactive some of these clowns on gameday.
Be bold!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:50 am
can carcass palmer some how salvage some dignity with a win at the bungles bowl 2012?
He has played in a malaise like a weasel full on road kill. Turn over after mind blowing turnover have sunk his reputation like a smelly turd goes down a toilet. The losses pile up and he is powerless to stem the avalanche, he is helplessly buried.
This is some of the worst qb play i have seen since the grad jamarcuss days. The palmer worshippers have tucked tail. They are waiving white flags and buckle under the weight of their foolish prognostications.
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Look man it’s freaking getting old with stupid posts , he might throw too many interceptions for your liking , but honestly there isn’t a QB better than him on our team or on the street or in the draft next year , keep wasting your time with Cp 3 hate, he will be here next year
November 19th, 2012 at 11:56 am
@Mistic1
So if you are GM is DHB worth a $10M dollar cap hit next year?
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/darius-heyward-bey/
November 19th, 2012 at 11:57 am
*N.O. didn’t give Reece much credit
November 19th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:53 am
He has played in a malaise like a weasel full on road kill. Turn over after mind blowing turnover have sunk his reputation like a smelly turd goes down a toilet. The losses pile up and he is powerless to stem the avalanche, he is helplessly buried.
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Who brought up Mike Vick?
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No he’s talking about cam Newton
November 19th, 2012 at 11:57 am
People are way to quick to rush to judgement on here, to claim a blog victory.
If you turn back the clocks 18 months, you have people boasting about Al snookering the Pats for Seymour.
DA may suck, may be great. But neither can be decided now.
And guess what? If he does really suck, things will actually be a lot worse than this soon enough.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
755.hwnrdr Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Our 7th round pick this year just got signed to the Eagles!
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Quite possibly the only team in the NFL WORSE than us right now.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
DHB is a good soldier , he will reconstruct his contract
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
da svcks isnt great….plain to see
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Eagles have quit on their QB and HC.
I still think guys like Reece and DHB play hard for Palmer. Nobody is playing hard for Vick.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Instead of race baiting being condemned it is confirmed by other posters.
Both of you now race baiting
Do you have a football take?
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What do you call your ‘golden haired hero’ nonsense?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:57 am
People are way to quick to rush to judgement on here, to claim a blog victory.
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Right, and you’ve never,ever done that. Laughable!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
End the Dennis Allen experiment now.
Even if the Raiders improve next year he’s not the guy for this team or any team.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Vick have ruined whole eagles team , they are good enough to win with that roster , yet some guys want Andy Reid in here? He kept with that turd , piling up losses after losses
November 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Nobody is playing hard for Vick.
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Really, be specific.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
da svcks isnt great….plain to see
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Okay Herrera
November 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Right, and you’ve never,ever done that. Laughable!
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I wait until it is official.
Like Jamarcus Russell being waived. Waited until the bitter end before I rubbed your nose in that dog crap (you ever get it off BTW? no, well keep scrubbing).
November 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
reggie iskeeping with turd allen, allen is keeping with turd krapp…mctroll20 is keeping with all those turds…
November 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Nobody is playing hard for Vick.
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Really, be specific.
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Yeah they don’t give a eff for him anymore , single handedly ruined a SB contender 2 years in a row
November 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Ok, I have an idea, let’s trade with Philly our whole roster and coach for there’s. I think the different uniforms will change everything lol.
Hmmmmmm…actually I wouldn’t mind a lot of Eagles and Andy Reid in silver and black next year!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
if Hue doesnt get a HC job next year what does that say?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Priest and Debo still have hopes that Russell will come back and save the Raiders.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
reggie iskeeping with turd allen, allen is keeping with turd krapp…mctroll20 is keeping with all those turds…
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Ok Herrera
November 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Really, be specific.
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3-7, getting worse every week, McCoy mailing in carries, Celek dropping passes, O-lineman playing their worst football ever, Desean Jackson alligator arming passes over the middle, defense folding after playing lights out to start the year.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
“This is some of the worst qb play i have seen since the grad jamarcuss days.”
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With throwing words out like that, you could be jeopardizing your bro-Mance with RaiderDebo!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
i wish i was him at least he scared kawasaki…
November 19th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Andy Reid on the Raiders? He can’t lead more talented team to playoffs, you want him here ? Smh
November 19th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
keep pn mctrolling20 we need more excuses for reggie
November 19th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Andy Reid?
He SUCKS.
With all that talent he should’ve won 3 or 4 SB’s.
His only fault was sticking with a QB who couldn’t win the big game in McNabb.
Then Vick?
LMFAO.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
1. MM34 is putrid. Where’s the “Missile” lovers? McClain is the only guy on some 25 running plays to actually tackle the guy in the backfield, and nobody can take a deep breathe and say, “he still may suck, but he looks marginally better of late”. Nope, never will happen.
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JFB on a roll this season. Forget if it makes no sense.
Rolando is garbage. You watch the games or just read the stats?
Ro had two tackles for loss early on. Cool, maybe he’s turning it around. Nope. Went on to stink it up over and over. I even saw him removed from base 4-3 later in the game, which ended up being a pass.
It’s like we have no MLB on most of these plays. Go back and watch us getting gashed up the middle over and over this year. Ro cannot shed a block. Only time he makes a tackle is when unblocked or ‘chasing’ somebody from behind.
Mike Mitchell was out there rallying the troops when most everybody had already given up. He is defficient in pass coverage, but he’s not a shell safety, his strength is in the box, wolverine spot or something like that.
Also, those of you sick of Kelly and co. notice DA had in Bilikudi and Crawford most of the 4th quarter? He’s seeing what he has around for next year. We were in that mode already for yesterday’s game.
What we will see more of this year is CP put up 300+ in garbage time. This is what I’m watching the games for now. To see if this garbage time will pay off with our passing game next year and if CP can coach up Moore on the field, cause his football IQ is pretty low. Same with Streater.
Those two have a chance to be special.
Also, counting down the days til we cut Ro and fire the coaching staff, exception may be DA.
Knapp is garbage. Forget PPG. Stupid stat when taken out of context. The offense is VISIBLY worse because of a lack of creativity and inability to sustain drives, particularly to open game and open 3rd Q, where coaching has the BIGGEST influence on the series.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
“no talent” waaah keep trying mctroll20
November 19th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Andy Reid would have won a Super Bowl if had Carson Palmer on those Eagle teams.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
i wish i was him at least he scared kawasaki…
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Oh then you must b one of the reporters who got access with Al’s team but getting kicked out now
November 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Andy Reid made the playoffs like 7 of 10 years before Vick sabotaged everything.
I would take Reid here tomorrow, and trade a 3rd round pick for him.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
McGahee out 6-8 weeks. There goes one of my fantasy football RBs.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Vick have ruined whole eagles team , they are good enough to win with that roster , yet some guys want Andy Reid in here? He kept with that turd , piling up losses after losses
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Yep, the answer is Nick Foles. Yesterday, he played against one of the worst Ds in the NFL. They ran tons of screens and three-step drops to keep the rush off of him. They ran the ball effectiviely, especially in the 1st half. He still threw two picks, fumbled the ball THREE times (they luckily managed to recover all of them) and didn’t reach the Redskins’ endzone ONE time! Michael Vick deserves a raise!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@Mistic
So when watching the Raiders play yesterday, all you could think about was that if Carson Palmer got benched for TP we might have had a chance to win?
Or/And that Jason Campbell may have led us to victory?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
LA…good post!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Palmer worshippers are left in a heap, as palmer flails in futility.
How long can allen justify plying palmer over pryor if the losses continue to mount? Even he must see that is is nearly unwatchable.
My eyes are squarley on allen at this point, and how he handles this team for the bungles bowl and shortly after will tell me all i need to know.
trying to go up to cincy and beat dalton and green is an imposing proposition.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
“no talent” waaah keep trying mctroll20
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You have been exposed MR , you ain’t fooling anyone in here
November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Palmers pretty good but clearly it was not a good trade
for us
November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
mctroll20 no more kool aid for you…its ok to be wrong…da svcks, reggie hired him he svcks…zbs is what we thought it was and zone defense equals blowout losses…
November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
801.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Andy Reid made the playoffs like 7 of 10 years before Vick sabotaged everything.
I would take Reid here tomorrow, and trade a 3rd round pick for him.
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Sure, Reid would at least be an improvement but he makes questionable calls too, like his choice of DC?
No, I want a sound football mind.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
You watch the games or just read the stats?
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Is it possible to do both?
You know watch something, than look for the FACTS to dig a little deeper afterwards?
Or most you only do one over the over?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
heard a rumor mark davis likes coaches with big t#ts..andy reid versus DA..hmmm close battle
November 19th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Andy Reid made the playoffs like 7 of 10 years before Vick sabotaged everything.
I would take Reid here tomorrow, and trade a 3rd round pick for him.
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Let’s say he also had better GM and salary cap to work with and better schemes those years, I’m sorry none of those guys going to do sh1t with this team, nobody who has Been successful wants to do anything with a rebuilding team
November 19th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
How long can allen justify plying palmer over pryor if the losses continue to mount?
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As long as Pryor is the inferior player to Matt Leinart, he will continue to spit seeds and wear sweatpants on gameday.
And he is, so he will.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
806.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Palmer worshippers are left in a heap, as palmer flails in futility.
How long can allen justify plying palmer over pryor if the losses continue to mount? Even he must see that is is nearly unwatchable.
My eyes are squarley on allen at this point, and how he handles this team for the bungles bowl and shortly after will tell me all i need to know.
trying to go up to cincy and beat dalton and green is an imposing proposition.
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Well, Palmer is the most consistent performer on a pretty bad team.
Say what you will about the pick six, which was a back breaker, he’s the best player on offense, despite a poor game. Even if you don’t like the guy, it’s hard to argue that. Other than Palmer, who has been consistently good on offense, comparably, at their position?
Maaaaaaybe Myers?
If anything, Lienart would come in, wouldn’t he? He’s the #2 QB.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
mctroll20 no more kool aid for you…its ok to be wrong…da svcks, reggie hired him he svcks…zbs is what we thought it was and zone defense equals blowout losses…
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Gtfo here you make no sense at all
November 19th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Brahs, just kicking it in the Beeeeech Pad studying the video of my stand up comedy performance from Saturday night
I totally reemed this heckler with some amazing zingers, y’all shoulda been there
He was all like “Dawg, your jokes blow” and I was like “Idiot said what?” and he said “What?” then I was like “Idiot said what?” and he said “What?!?!”
Epic comedy blast, my fans were dying
Afterward of course I humped a hot hizzy in the poop chute. Went totally bareback, kinda regretted that move when I saw my peeper covered in hot chili
Guess that’s why they call it the blues
November 19th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
“Mistic, you must be on cloud 9 right now. Palmer played bad, the Radiers lost, and you get to watch Campbell vs Kaepernick tonight.”
LMAO good one
November 19th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
When Goodson or Darren come back, pretty safe bet Taiwan will be waived.
It took Stewart one screen pass to prove he is the better player.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
i may not agree but i understand the semis who feel handing the team over to pryor now will stunt his growth. but what would be so bad about putting in a few packages for him? ease him into the transition..
November 19th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
its cuz youre too slow mctroll20….let me explain…..3 – 7….
November 19th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Palmer worshippers are left in a heap, as palmer flails in futility.
How long can allen justify plying palmer over pryor if the losses continue to mount? Even he must see that is is nearly unwatchable.
My eyes are squarley on allen at this point, and how he handles this team for the bungles bowl and shortly after will tell me all i need to know.
trying to go up to cincy and beat dalton and green is an imposing proposition.
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God get over it , Palmer is our best bet at winning , we’re not winning with another QB , btw it’s going to be fun to see you here after JC game tonight
November 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Really, be specific.
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3-7, getting worse every week, McCoy mailing in carries, Celek dropping passes, O-lineman playing their worst football ever, Desean Jackson alligator arming passes over the middle, defense folding after playing lights out to start the year.
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Celek has been dropping passes and fumbling all season. McCoy mailing in carries??? What the hell does that even mean? The OL is missing FOUR starters!! When has DJ alligaor-armed any passes?? He hasn’t dropped a pass all year. And the D?? It’s sucked for the better part of two years!! All you do is wake up Monday morning, read some stats from the sports section of the Daily Bugle, and come on here talking out of school. Watch the games!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Soup will get hurt tonight, write that down.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
@Mistic
So when watching the Raiders play yesterday, all you could think about was that if Carson Palmer got benched for TP we might have had a chance to win?
Or/And that Jason Campbell may have led us to victory?
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no
palmers raider are abysmal and shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as jc’s team.
I watched the game in blind amazement watching palmer do exactly what i knew he would do when we signed that albatross of a contract. He threw horrific turn overs and the team staggered to the finish line.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
811.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
You watch the games or just read the stats?
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Is it possible to do both?
You know watch something, than look for the FACTS to dig a little deeper afterwards?
Or most you only do one over the over?
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Sniff test first, then stats if I can stomach them. Hey, the facts are on the field. The stats only measure them and can be manipulated to a point.
I know you’re a numbers guy. One of my favorite bloggers and a cool dude. We fundamentally disagree on a number of things and I’m frustrated as is. Sorry if I sound like an a$$ but I just think sometimes you’re not seeing the forrest for the trees.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
its cuz youre too slow mctroll20….let me explain…..3 – 7….
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Dude like seriously ? Do you have anything to talk about ? Yes ZBS sucks and yes our management is the worst ever ,last 10 years under Al were the best ever for any Franchise , are you happy now ? Will you get my nuts now or are you going to keep on trolling ?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Mistic.
Football take on the defense?
Ever?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
All you do is wake up Monday morning, read some stats from the sports section of the Daily Bugle, and come on here talking out of school. Watch the games!
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So that wasn’t you and I debating Vick when discussing the game yesterday?
Funny, could have sworn it was.
Again, how is that Jamarcus dog poop scrub coming along? Maybe a pumice might help.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Palmer is the best QB since Gannon . JC will prove his worth tonight, lets see what he does when the run game is not there tonight , can he top his 12 rating 2 years ago
November 19th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
@DJ Johnny: I wanted to say 1st of all that 95% of the time I really enjoy and agree with you posts. But…
Andy Reid does not suck.
Dennis Allen sucks.
Just because Reid didn’t win a super bowl yet does not mean he sucks.
He took teams far less talented in the past to the championship game on more than 1 occasion.
I believe for whatever reason the team gave up on Reid and in general. There is something going on in that locker room that most don’t know about.
Mike Vick has lost his fast ball and unfortunetley Reid is going down with the ship. I respect Reid for sticking with Vick and hoping he will regain his old form but it is likely Vick’s days of being “elite” are behind him.
I believe Reid’s time is up in Philly and new scenery would revive/reinspire him. He would be just the right blue collar coach Oakland needs. Andy Reid would be like Tom Cable but with FAR more knowledge of the game overall.
Just sayin
November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Meanwhile, with Reece running the ball, we actually had a watchable run game. DMAC is too fast for what Knapp wants to do. Give him a hole and let him do his thing. Otherwise, trade him for what you can and watch him smoke teams for 10-14 games a year.
If you pick DMAC over Knapp, you know what you’re in store for with the GM.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Everyone in a fine mood today?
Fire everyone! That ALWAYS works…
November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
From 2 years ago
November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
If you pick DMAC over Knapp, you know what you’re in store for with the GM.
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Sorry, other way around.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
brought on youself, calling anyone and everyone with a differing opinion a troll…now troll on…
November 19th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
823.RaiderDebo Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Really, be specific.
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3-7, getting worse every week, McCoy mailing in carries, Celek dropping passes, O-lineman playing their worst football ever, Desean Jackson alligator arming passes over the middle, defense folding after playing lights out to start the year.
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Celek has been dropping passes and fumbling all season. McCoy mailing in carries??? What the hell does that even mean? The OL is missing FOUR starters!! When has DJ alligaor-armed any passes?? He hasn’t dropped a pass all year. And the D?? It’s sucked for the better part of two years!! All you do is wake up Monday morning, read some stats from the sports section of the Daily Bugle, and come on here talking out of school. Watch the games!
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Yeah, totally unfair to D. Jackson, he only drops 45% of the passes thrown his way. You owe debbie an apology!
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Eagles started sucking after their longtime DCo Johnson retired or passed away . Not sure what happened to him
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
“Well, Palmer is the most consistent performer on a pretty bad team.
Say what you will about the pick six, which was a back breaker, he’s the best player on offense, despite a poor game. Even if you don’t like the guy, it’s hard to argue that. Other than Palmer, who has been consistently good on offense, comparably, at their position?
Maaaaaaybe Myers?
If anything, Lienart would come in, wouldn’t he? He’s the #2 QB.”
Great post I see some fans get it!!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Sorry if I sound like an a$$ but I just think sometimes you’re not seeing the forrest for the trees.
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Maybe, none of us are paid football guys, we are all going to have massive whiffs and think we know what we are talking about when we don’t.
I can admit it that. 98% won’t.
But stats AREN’T the only picture, but they are the only facts. Everything else is opinion. So I look looking at stats for a big picture, MACRO point of view.
They can be manipulated, and I do my best to do so, lol.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Mistic, you do realize that Allen and Knapp would most likely start Lienart if Palmer couldn’t play or was benched?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Andy Reid needs to step away from football for a few years. The guys son just comitted suicide ffs. Be with your family dude…
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
mcgahee out 6 weeks, now if we can get rid of krapp the stars may align….
November 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
It’s pretty clear that Mistic has become the blog’s biggest troll. He has surpassed MR.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
brought on youself, calling anyone and everyone with a differing opinion a troll…now troll on…
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Dude your a troll , you keep beating the same sh1t to death day in and day out … Gtfo already , yes Als team over last 10 years was the best ever , write that down an take it to bed ..gnite
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Eagles started sucking after their longtime DCo Johnson retired or passed away . Not sure what happened to him
That is true! Jim Johnson passed away! After, they have never been teh same on D!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Maybe Reid doesn’t want to be with his family. I mean if people in his family are killing themselves not be there any longer maybe that’s a poor solution…
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
The bungles bowl 2012 now becomes the biggest game of carsons life!! This game is what separates the macaroni form the spaghetti, and Carson can begin to carve out a little satisfaction form a failed career.
The subplots are enormous, as mike brown may have pulled the fleece job of the century, bilking a crazed hu jack and the hapless raiders for all they were worth.
The bungles now have Dalton one of the best young qbs in the game, paired with aj green, and hey are quick strike offense.
carson inherited a potent group seasoned and prepped by their fallen leader jc, and couldnt carry the mantle. he failed down the stretch and missed the payoffs. Missing the playoffs again this season would only increase the pressure on carson to live up to the price for his service.
After telling carson to get packing and kicking his miserable butt to the couch, the bungles are now a young promising team and the raiders are a joke.
Incidentally this is the only game that still provides carson with relevance, as the book is now out on his career in oakland.
This is a legacy game, and if he flops he slinks off into the distance once and for all. just another qb nothing special.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
It’s pretty clear that Mistic has become the blog’s biggest troll. He has surpassed MR.
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MR is here in form of Al_is_the_raiders ,he’s doing a good job of beating the same topic to death , prolly more than Mistic
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Marks Hair Says:
Palmers pretty good but clearly it was not a good trade
for us
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I said that from day one last season. I could never get some of these guys to separate “hate for the trade” from “hate for Palmer”.
I never hated Palmer. I just hated what we gave up for him.
Well actually it was no “we”. It was the the drunk-on-irish-coffee idiot that did that crap.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
It’s pretty clear that Mistic has become the blog’s biggest troll. He has surpassed MR.
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Well said. MR.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Mistic.
Football take on the defense?
Ever?
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Mistic’s expertise is the QB position. He’s too busy breaking down tape of Div II games to worry about the defense.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Andy Reid needs to step away from football for a few years. The guys son just comitted suicide ffs. Be with your family dude…
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It’s probaly a coping mechanism. (football)
November 19th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
After a 3rd trashing in a row, I am in a foul mood. But I was correct on Marcel Reece becoming THE man on offense after McFragile and Gooson went down. Guy scored a bunch for me yesterday on FF.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
It’s pretty clear that Mistic has become the blog’s biggest troll. He has surpassed MR.
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Well said. MR.
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What’s up Seymour Puss? Are your feelings still hurt about what I said the other day?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
The bungles bowl 2012 now becomes the biggest game of carsons life!! This game is what separates the macaroni form the spaghetti, and Carson can begin to carve out a little satisfaction form a failed career.
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I don’t know if leading the National Football League in TD’s and completion percentage, and being a two time Pro Bowl player would constitute a “failed” career. Jamarcus Russell had a “failed” career. Cam Netwon is well on his way to a “failed” career.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Andy Reid is garbage without Jimmy Johnson on defense
November 19th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
It’s pretty clear that Mistic has become the blog’s biggest troll. He has surpassed MR.
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Well said. MR.
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What’s up Seymour Puss? Are your feelings still hurt about what I said the other day?
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No no no no. IN fact you were the one that was on this blog all night and all the next day sobbing. Sorry I hurt your feelings so badly. But, hey, the truth hurts.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Mistic’s posts are so ridiculous, it’s hard to tell if he is being serious or maybe his handle was hijacked. I guess it doesn’t matter. He’s a clown either way.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Look on the bright side guys, next years team will probably be without half the roster as we know it now!
Between FA’s and cuts due to crazy salaries /poor performance.
Here’s the FA’s:
Phillip Adams CB
Khalif Barnes T
Ron Bartell CB
Desmond Bryant DT
Cooper Carlisle G
Andre Carter DE
Matt Giordano S
Mike Goodson RB
Derek Hagan WR
Joselio Hanson CB
Shane Lechler P
Matt Leinart QB
Mike Mitchell S
Brandon Myers TE
Brandian Ross CB
Owen Schmitt FB
Matt Shaughnessy DE
Jeremy Stewart RB
Philip Wheeler LB
November 19th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RGIII PLAYED THE GREATEST FOOTBALL GAME i HAVE EVER SEEN YESTERDAY!
He was joe montan meets Micheal Vick, meets Randall Cunningham.
He was unbelievable accurate and he toyed with the eagles.
I cant wait to see TP6!!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
No no no no. IN fact you were the one that was on this blog all night and all the next day sobbing. Sorry I hurt your feelings so badly. But, hey, the truth hurts.
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Sure bro, whatever you say.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
hwnrdr Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Eagles started sucking after their longtime DCo Johnson retired or passed away . Not sure what happened to him
That is true! Jim Johnson passed away! After, they have never been teh same on D!
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Yup, they were always a top 10 unit with him , which was 1 of the reasons they were always in the playoffs
November 19th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Brahs, this is totally sweet
Never seen Albert Puss go at it with Peemore Bust.
This promises to be one of the greatest hair pulling contests of all time
Should be better than an episode of The View
November 19th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
RGIII PLAYED THE GREATEST FOOTBALL GAME i HAVE EVER SEEN YESTERDAY!
He was joe montan meets Micheal Vick, meets Randall Cunningham.
He was unbelievable accurate and he toyed with the eagles.
I cant wait to see TP6!!!!
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LMAO hahaha unbelieveable accurate? only 15 attempts against a team that has mailed it in
November 19th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Brahs, this is totally sweet
Never seen Albert Puss go at it with Peemore Bust.
This promises to be one of the greatest hair pulling contests of all time
Should be better than an episode of The View
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Beeech, I finally found out why you and Mistabrown are always clowning on this fool. He totally deserves your beat downs.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Brahs, this is totally sweet
Never seen Albert Puss go at it with Peemore Bust.
This promises to be one of the greatest hair pulling contests of all time
Should be better than an episode of The View
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Better than turd eating contest you enjoy with your fellow Pmpp posters
November 19th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Mistic.
Football take on the defense?
Ever?
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Mistic’s expertise is the QB position. He’s too busy breaking down tape of Div II games to worry about the defense.
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I posted several takes on the defense before the game, and have done so since joining the board.
Palmers flop is such a spectacle it garners attention.
Hu jack vs palmer in the bungles bowl 2012
Must see tv
November 19th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
We beat Houston last year. Houston would beat us 78-0 this year.
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That only happened cuz our team played lights out after A D died , check our games against good Os , n come back and tell me what you think
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You give this guy a clear example of us beating a good O last year and this dummy Mcfaggen offers up another excuse to save face “That only happened cuz our team played lights out after A D died” whatever dude you are dumbest fans in america.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
This game is what separates the macaroni form the spaghetti,
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Good try, but spaghetti IS a from of macaroni.
Spaghetti, linguini, ziti, rotini = all forms of macaroni.
You should have went with my favorite, time to seperate the balony from the bread.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Mistic.
Football take on the defense?
Ever?
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Mistic’s expertise is the QB position. He’s too busy breaking down tape of Div II games to worry about the defense.
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I posted several takes on the defense before the game, and have done so since joining the board.
Palmers flop is such a spectacle it garners attention.
Hu jack vs palmer in the bungles bowl 2012
Must see tv
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Just a several takes ? why only several takes over the worst D in the league?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RGIII was 15/16 200 yards and 4 tds, 0 ints
12 rushes for 85 yards.
he scrambled beat the blitz with line audibles and trashed the eagles in his first ever match up with this division rival.
All that and from a rookie?!??!?!?!
please
November 19th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
It’s probaly a coping mechanism. (football)
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Probably, and most likely affecting his coaching.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Look on the bright side guys, next years team will probably be without half the roster as we know it now!
Between FA’s and cuts due to crazy salaries /poor performance.
Here’s the FA’s:
Phillip Adams CB
Khalif Barnes T
Ron Bartell CB
Desmond Bryant DT
Cooper Carlisle G
Andre Carter DE
Matt Giordano S
Mike Goodson RB
Derek Hagan WR
Joselio Hanson CB
Shane Lechler P
Matt Leinart QB
Mike Mitchell S
Brandon Myers TE
Brandian Ross CB
Owen Schmitt FB
Matt Shaughnessy DE
Jeremy Stewart RB
Philip Wheeler LB
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Besides Wheeler and Myers I wouldn’t lose any sleep if the rest of those guys were gone. bye bye to Seymour and Kelly too.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
The bungles bowl 2012 now becomes the biggest game of carsons life!! This game is what separates the macaroni form the spaghetti, and Carson can begin to carve out a little satisfaction form a failed career.
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I don’t know if leading the National Football League in TD’s and completion percentage, and being a two time Pro Bowl player would constitute a “failed” career. Jamarcus Russell had a “failed” career. Cam Netwon is well on his way to a “failed” career.
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Carson Palmer wasn’t drafted #1 overall to the Bengals to lead them to just 2 playoff appearances in 10 years and not win a playoff game during that stretch. I’d never call Him a failure because he won a Heisman, got drafted #1 and has made tons of money during an 11-year career as a starting QB in the NFL. In life, that’s success any way you cut it. But ask any Bengal fan and they’ll tell you they are disappointed in the results during his time there.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Coaches matter
November 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Ha ha, McFartin’, that was one sad, sad attempt at a blog diss
Nerd, you can’t start a meltdown before you enter my Blog Octogon. I usually like to enjoy a few sweet scissor kicks to your nads first
Anyway, thanks for the laughs, you’re free now to continue your minion duties
WHUT WHUT
November 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
isn’t Huge now the errand boy for the Bungles secondary coaches? quite a vote of confidence in him there Marv…
November 19th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
hwnrdr Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Eagles started sucking after their longtime DCo Johnson retired or passed away . Not sure what happened to him
That is true! Jim Johnson passed away! After, they have never been teh same on D!
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Yup, they were always a top 10 unit with him , which was 1 of the reasons they were always in the playoffs
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SEE DUMMY COACHING MATTERS!!!! but i guess the eagles dont have talent.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
We beat Houston last year. Houston would beat us 78-0 this year.
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That only happened cuz our team played lights out after A D died , check our games against good Os , n come back and tell me what you think
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You give this guy a clear example of us beating a good O last year and this dummy Mcfaggen offers up another excuse to save face “That only happened cuz our team played lights out after A D died” whatever dude you are dumbest fans in america.
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EastOakLandB1tch , i knew you would show up to protect your fellow lovers on here , cuz that was the only time we beat a top ranked O , you can def chalk that up to inspired effort by our D after Al D died, no way they even show up, had every thing been alright, the proof is there we s8cked against top Passing O’s even if you want to take that win into account , hard to argue over the fact that 6 wins came against bottom 15 O’s
November 19th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I think you gotta keep Desmond Bryant esp if you’re shedding Seyless and Kelly….
November 19th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Meyers has to go.. cant block.. chokes on dick in the clutch
November 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
no
palmers raider are abysmal and shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as jc’s team.
I watched the game in blind amazement watching palmer do exactly what i knew he would do when we signed that albatross of a contract. He threw horrific turn overs and the team staggered to the finish line.
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So the INT in the endzone was horrific on Palmers part? I mean throwing to a wide open tight end is horrific?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
JLofty Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
isn’t Huge now the errand boy for the Bungles secondary coaches? quite a vote of confidence in him there Marv…
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M. Lewis Probaly put him in a position where he couldn’t step on any toes or cut any throats.br
That being said, Miss ya Hue!
November 19th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I lost $1000 yesterday starting CP3 instead of RGIII. Man that turned out poorly….
November 19th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
hwnrdr Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Eagles started sucking after their longtime DCo Johnson retired or passed away . Not sure what happened to him
That is true! Jim Johnson passed away! After, they have never been teh same on D!
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Yup, they were always a top 10 unit with him , which was 1 of the reasons they were always in the playoffs
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SEE DUMMY COACHING MATTERS!!!! but i guess the eagles dont have talent.
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coaching matters, but they can only do so much if they got no talent, just look at Lakers , do they even fire M Brown if they weren’t loaded , nope , they were underachieving , we’re def on par with talent level on this team
November 19th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I say we cut all but maybe 10 players
November 19th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Bigelo, notice how quickly Bust disappears when confronted? Classic move, been doing that for years
Poor punching bag needs a few minutes so he can fire up his Hotmail account and drop in a few sock puppets to back him up
Watch, some muppet like Nob Bust will show up any second
Snap into a Slim Jim
November 19th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Marks hair Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Meyers has to go.. cant block.. chokes on dick in the clutch
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I’m sure his mother would love to know that lol.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
Mistic’s expertise is the QB position. He’s too busy breaking down tape of Div II games to worry about the defense.
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So if he was GM, we’d be drafting the entire Grambling State 2013 graduating class?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Ha ha, McFartin’, that was one sad, sad attempt at a blog diss
Nerd, you can’t start a meltdown before you enter my Blog Octogon. I usually like to enjoy a few sweet scissor kicks to your nads first
Anyway, thanks for the laughs, you’re free now to continue your minion duties
WHUT WHUT
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WTF YOU even talking about ? what is this sum kinda game? are you like 12 years old ?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Carson Palmer was neither a success or a failure in Cincy.
He was drafted #1 overall, which meant he went to a dog crap organization. However, unlike our #1 overall pick at QB, he actually pulled the team out of the doldrums, but just for too short of a period for it to be a success.
Cincy than traded him for a 1st and 2nd round pick. I see no reason why ANY fan of the Bengals would look at that and see a failure.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Mistic is not a true Raiders fan he is a black qb fan, like some people have just pointed out he never talks defense or any other position for that matter, he is what he is period.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Bigelo, notice how quickly Bust disappears when confronted? Classic move, been doing that for years
Poor punching bag needs a few minutes so he can fire up his Hotmail account and drop in a few sock puppets to back him up
Watch, some muppet like Nob Bust will show up any second
Snap into a Slim Jim
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or Maybe he doesn’t have time for trolls like you ?> no ?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
LMAO hahaha unbelieveable accurate? only 15 attempts against a team that has mailed it in
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He says this on a day when Schaub threw for 527 yards and 5 TDs, or Henne threw for 350 and 4 tds.
Not taking anything from RGIII, he is a hell of a qb, but whats his excuse for only having 1 more win than us?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
JLofty Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I think you gotta keep Desmond Bryant esp if you’re shedding Seyless and Kelly….
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fair enough
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
886. 8-8 is on par with our talent… obviously.. we have regressed.. ask mark
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Meyers has to go.. cant block.. chokes on dick in the clutch
883.bcz24 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
no
palmers raider are abysmal and shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as jc’s team.
I watched the game in blind amazement watching palmer do exactly what i knew he would do when we signed that albatross of a contract. He threw horrific turn overs and the team staggered to the finish line.
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So the INT in the endzone was horrific on Palmers part? I mean throwing to a wide open tight end is horrific?
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No, but the pick-6 was. And he’s lucky a lot of DBs can’t catch because he could’ve had at least two more. The guy sucked yesterday. Wake up.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
This is Palmer’s Super Bowl this week. Hopefully the team rallies around him.
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Dopey comment. Most players have a link to another team, somewhere. some more than one. You act like Palmer is God and the team bows in his presence. That, according to you, he should be rallied around? That it’s his SB? That all the team wants to make Palmer happy?
Moron
November 19th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
If Palmer was on the Bengals last year and this year they would be a contender. They actually have a defense now, and a marquee receiver who actually knows how the hell to run something other than a 9 route.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Meyers has to go.. cant block.. chokes on dick in the clutch
883.bcz24 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
no
palmers raider are abysmal and shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as jc’s team.
I watched the game in blind amazement watching palmer do exactly what i knew he would do when we signed that albatross of a contract. He threw horrific turn overs and the team staggered to the finish line.
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So the INT in the endzone was horrific on Palmers part? I mean throwing to a wide open tight end is horrific?
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No, but the pick-6 was. And he’s lucky a lot of DBs can’t catch because he could’ve had at least two more. The guy sucked yesterday. Wake up.
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Nothing you say counts.
Nothing.
At all.
You didn’t just love Russell, but you still love Russell.
You, sir, are an idiot.
And nothing you say counts.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Marks hair Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
886. 8-8 is on par with our talent… obviously.. we have regressed.. ask mark
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we’re 2 outta 3 against bad O’s this year , we were like 6 outta 10 against bad O’s last year, so kinda on par with what we were doing last year, losing against good O’s , i don’t even know why you guys worried about the O , we may have regressed but until we get pass rushers in offseason we ain’t going any where, even if they bring back greatest show on turf for the O
November 19th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
And he’s lucky a lot of DBs can’t catch because he could’ve had at least two more.
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Palmer’s the only QB lucky that DB’s can’t catch? Please, all DB’s can’t catch.
In fact, RGIII’s only incomplete pass yesterday was a sure fire pick 6 that Rodgers-Cromartie dropped.
Defensive players, not just DB’s, can’t catch, and drop INT’s every week in every game.
Brees threw a ball right to Desmond Bryant. Hit him in all 10 fingers and both palms. Dropped.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
No, but the pick-6 was. And he’s lucky a lot of DBs can’t catch because he could’ve had at least two more. The guy sucked yesterday. Wake up.
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Wake up? I have no problem saying Palmer played a sh1t game yesterday.
His worst is still better than JaMeatball’s best. Keep holding on to that though.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
bcz24 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
If Palmer was on the Bengals last year and this year they would be a contender. They actually have a defense now, and a marquee receiver who actually knows how the hell to run something other than a 9 route.
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Exactly
November 19th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: I make 2 post and instant race baiting.===============================================
Yes, Miss Tick, you have the gift.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
McFadin’, haha, calm down little nerd
All that nervous sweating you’re doing right now isn’t going to solve a thing
Although it is pretty funny, holla
Speaking of my upcoming dope hip hop album Wrecks N Effect, I’m working on a hella phat joint about the Lake Show gettin’ hype on uptempo offense
Gotta drop a mad duece then I’ll drop some steamy lyrics. Or maybe I’ll just hit the Olive Garden
SHIZZLE 2 MY FIZZLE
November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
call MIstic , by his full name, its Misssupab1tch , otherwise he would be offended
November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RockyMtnHigh Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:25 am
This is Palmer’s Super Bowl this week. Hopefully the team rallies around him.
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Dopey comment. Most players have a link to another team, somewhere. some more than one. You act like Palmer is God and the team bows in his presence. That, according to you, he should be rallied around? That it’s his SB? That all the team wants to make Palmer happy?
Moron
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They need some kind of motivation, don’t they? Who the f*ck are you anyways? ‘RockyMtnHigh’ must be one of Seymour Bush’s sock puppets.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
hwnrdr Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Eagles started sucking after their longtime DCo Johnson retired or passed away . Not sure what happened to him
That is true! Jim Johnson passed away! After, they have never been teh same on D!
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Yup, they were always a top 10 unit with him , which was 1 of the reasons they were always in the playoffs
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SEE DUMMY COACHING MATTERS!!!! but i guess the eagles dont have talent.
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coaching matters, but they can only do so much if they got no talent, just look at Lakers , do they even fire M Brown if they weren’t loaded , nope , they were underachieving , we’re def on par with talent level on this team
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We have talent, werent we one of the leaders in sacks last year? we have the talent but not the coaching, you dont go from top 5 in sacks to not having a pass rush dam dude use your head, why do you think that is? you figured it out with the eagles so why not the Raiders?
November 19th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RockyMtnHigh Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Meyers has to go.. cant block.. chokes on dick in the clutch
883.bcz24 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
no
palmers raider are abysmal and shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as jc’s team.
I watched the game in blind amazement watching palmer do exactly what i knew he would do when we signed that albatross of a contract. He threw horrific turn overs and the team staggered to the finish line.
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So the INT in the endzone was horrific on Palmers part? I mean throwing to a wide open tight end is horrific?
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No, but the pick-6 was. And he’s lucky a lot of DBs can’t catch because he could’ve had at least two more. The guy sucked yesterday. Wake up.
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Nothing you say counts.
Nothing.
At all.
You didn’t just love Russell, but you still love Russell.
You, sir, are an idiot.
And nothing you say counts.
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Lol! Who the fk are you??? And yes, still a huge JR fan and proud of it. So you can just keep sitting there babbling “nothing you say counts” until Mom comes home and gets dinner ready.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Mistic is not a true Raiders fan he is a black qb fan, like some people have just pointed out he never talks defense or any other position for that matter, he is what he is period.
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Another poster jumps in and brings up race
November 19th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Brahs, this is totally sweet
Never seen Albert Puss go at it with Peemore Bust.
This promises to be one of the greatest hair pulling contests of all time
Should be better than an episode of The View
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Beeech, I finally found out why you and Mistabrown are always clowning on this fool. He totally deserves your beat downs.
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In other words, you failed miserably.
Ya, we know.
November 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
“Mistic’s posts are so ridiculous, it’s hard to tell if he is being serious or maybe his handle was hijacked. I guess it doesn’t matter. He’s a clown either way.
I couldn’t agree more!
Just ignore “it” that what I do.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Raider Riff is very accurate. I would keep Tommy Kelley and D. Moore and Streater, though. We need a veteran WR to come in, obviously. Seymour better retire.
November 19th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Brandon Meyers will be fine, too. He cost us 7 yesterday, but be patient. He is a good TE. Fixing both lines and the cornerback situation comes first!
November 19th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
IF Chuckie came back, the first thing he would do is cut CP. Why because his arm is too strong. All chuckie wants to do is win. So high percentage passes is the path to victory (boring football, though). CP has a knack for throwing interceptions at the most critical times. I can be in at the start, middle or end of the game but he does this WAY too frequent to be a winner! Goodby Palmer! 300 yards between the twenties is a misleading stat. Poof Pow Be Gone! Let’s move along! Charlie Brown will never be a champion.
November 19th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
The point being. He will throw dink and dunk INTERCEPTIONS, so Chuckie can’t use A QB like Palmer!