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2013 closer than you might think

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, November 18th, 2012 at 7:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.

There still are 43 days between now and the end of the calendar year. However, it’s getting closer and closer to 2013 for the Raiders on the heels of a third straight loss Sunday.
The Raiders 38-17 loss to the New Orleans Saints, combined with yet another Denver Broncos victory, leaves the Raiders four games behind in the AFC West and with faint hopes of turning around their fortunes.
“Right now, we’re shooting for 9-7,” Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer said. “You have got to win all the games left and see kind of where the chips fall at the end of the year. The AFC is still pretty wide open, for the most part.
“We need some things to bounce our way but we believe if we look at the schedule, we know some of those teams we’ve already played, but we’re going to come in and try to work and try to find a way to get to 9-7 and see what happens.”
Not sure about the AFC West being so wide open.
The Broncos play the 1-9 Kansas City Chiefs next Sunday, while the Raiders travel to Cincinnati for a game against the suddenly red-hot Bengals. A Broncos win that day, coupled with a Raiders loss, would just about rule out the division title for a 10th straight season.
So, what does it all mean? Well, coach Dennis Allen isn’t about to call this a rebuilding season, that much we know.
“No, I’m not into rebuilding years,” Allen said. “What we’ve got to do is we’ve got to continue to develop. We’ve got to continue to go to work and keep trying to get better every that. That’s all I know how to do.”
And don’t even mention the rebuild word to fullback Marcel Reece.
“Rebuild? There’s no such thing as a rebuild year,” Reece said. “This is a business. If you rebuild it, you get out. We’re going out there trying to win. We’re shooting to win out the rest of the season; that’s the bottom line.”
Try though they may, things just keep getting worse for the Raiders. They moved to 3-4 after back-to-back victories over the Jacksonville Jaguars and Chiefs in October.
Ever since, it’s been all downhill, what fullback Owen Schmitt calls a “snowball effect.” The Raiders lost to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 42-32, the Baltimore Ravens 55-20 and the Saints 38-17. That’s an average of 45 points allowed for those of you not mathematically inclined.
And that’s not exactly something that inspires confidence, especially in the most died-in-the-wool Raiders fans. Yet, this is the hand the Raiders are playing with for the final six weeks.
“It’s really the whole thing that we’ve got to get better at,” Allen said, when asked if there was a specific area that needs to be addressed.
Hard to argue there.

– Once again, a quick glance at the stat sheet would suggest that the Raiders played a much better game than they did.
The Raiders outgained the Saints 404-382, controlled the ball for 31 minutes, 24 seconds, converted a higher percentage of third-down plays into first downs and committed only four penalties to the Saints 11.
Yet, this game wasn’t anywhere near as close as the stats might indicate.
The Saints scored a touchdown on their first possession and upped the lead to 14-0 when free safety Malcolm Jenkins intercepted a Palmer pass for tight end Brandon Myers and returned it 55 yards for a touchdown.
Sure, the Raiders cut the lead to 14-7, but the Saints responded with a 90-yard drive that culminated with a 38-yard touchdown pass from Drew Brees to wide receiver Lance Moore on a third-and-13 play with 48 seconds left in the first half.
The Saints iced the game before the Raiders got a chance to respond — Oakland’s final drive of the first half doesn’t really count. The Saints returned the second-half kick 75 yards and then running back Mark Ingram rambled 27 yards on the first play from scrimmage for a 28-7 lead.

– Palmer passed for more than 300 yards once again. In fact, he has accomplished that feat five times this season.
However, the Raiders are 0-5 in those games. He also was sacked three times and intercepted twice. Not one of his better games, for sure.
“You’ve just got to continue to work,” Palmer said. “In a new offense, a first-year offense, this late in the season, we need to be making better strides than we were today. We had improved as we came into this game and wanted to take another step forward. We did some good things, but it was kind of a lateral step.”

– Myers entered this season without any touchdowns in his first three NFL seasons. He scored his third Sunday.
As was the case with many of the Raiders, Myers had reason not to be overly thrilled. He had a pass from Palmer in the end zone hit off his hands and bounce into the hands of strong safety Roman Harper.
Overall, Myers caught six passes for 55 yards and continued to add to his career-best figures in receptions and yards.

– The Raiders hit Brees a couple of times. However, Brees spent most of the day moving around in the pocket without much pressure, waiting for receivers to get open.
Sure enough, Brees found open receivers more times than not. He completed 20 of 27 passes for 219 yards and three touchdowns, with no interceptions and a 134.6 passer rating.
He improved to 7-0 in his past seven games against the Raiders, with 16 touchdowns, no interceptions and a passer rating north of 120.
“I’m all about efficiency,” Brees said. “The yards don’t matter, the number of completions doesn’t matter. I want to be efficient. I wnat to be a good decision-maker. I want to just make plays when I’m called upon to do that and take care of the football. Just do all of those little things.”
More times than not, that’s what Brees did, especially on crucial downs.
His first touchdown pass came on a great play-action fake that fooled rookie linebacker Miles Burris — Allen called it a rookie mistake — and ended with the ball in tight end Jimmy Graham’s hands in the end zone. No one was within two time zones of Graham.
Brees hit Moore on the post patter just before halftime, with cornerback Michael Huff and strong safety Mike Mitchell late getting there to make a play on the ball.
Brees’ final touchdown came on a well-thrown pass to Moore from 15 yards, with cornerback Ron Bartell a step or two late catching up to Moore after Moore got behind him.

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  • Just Fire Baby

    Andy Reid made the playoffs like 7 of 10 years before Vick sabotaged everything.

    I would take Reid here tomorrow, and trade a 3rd round pick for him.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    McGahee out 6-8 weeks. There goes one of my fantasy football RBs.

  • RaiderDebo

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
    Vick have ruined whole eagles team , they are good enough to win with that roster , yet some guys want Andy Reid in here? He kept with that turd , piling up losses after losses
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Yep, the answer is Nick Foles. Yesterday, he played against one of the worst Ds in the NFL. They ran tons of screens and three-step drops to keep the rush off of him. They ran the ball effectiviely, especially in the 1st half. He still threw two picks, fumbled the ball THREE times (they luckily managed to recover all of them) and didn’t reach the Redskins’ endzone ONE time! Michael Vick deserves a raise!

  • DutchRaider77

    @Mistic
    So when watching the Raiders play yesterday, all you could think about was that if Carson Palmer got benched for TP we might have had a chance to win?

    Or/And that Jason Campbell may have led us to victory?

  • hwnrdr

    LA…good post!

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Palmer worshippers are left in a heap, as palmer flails in futility.

    How long can allen justify plying palmer over pryor if the losses continue to mount? Even he must see that is is nearly unwatchable.

    My eyes are squarley on allen at this point, and how he handles this team for the bungles bowl and shortly after will tell me all i need to know.

    trying to go up to cincy and beat dalton and green is an imposing proposition.

  • mcfadden20.

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    “no talent” waaah keep trying mctroll20

    —-

    You have been exposed MR , you ain’t fooling anyone in here

  • Marks hair

    Palmers pretty good but clearly it was not a good trade
    for us

  • Al_is_theraiders

    mctroll20 no more kool aid for you…its ok to be wrong…da svcks, reggie hired him he svcks…zbs is what we thought it was and zone defense equals blowout losses…

  • LA to TheBay

    801.Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    Andy Reid made the playoffs like 7 of 10 years before Vick sabotaged everything.

    I would take Reid here tomorrow, and trade a 3rd round pick for him.

    ————-

    Sure, Reid would at least be an improvement but he makes questionable calls too, like his choice of DC?

    No, I want a sound football mind.

  • Just Fire Baby

    You watch the games or just read the stats?

    ********************************

    Is it possible to do both?

    You know watch something, than look for the FACTS to dig a little deeper afterwards?

    Or most you only do one over the over?

  • nycraider

    heard a rumor mark davis likes coaches with big t#ts..andy reid versus DA..hmmm close battle

  • mcfadden20.

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    Andy Reid made the playoffs like 7 of 10 years before Vick sabotaged everything.

    I would take Reid here tomorrow, and trade a 3rd round pick for him.

    —–
    Let’s say he also had better GM and salary cap to work with and better schemes those years, I’m sorry none of those guys going to do sh1t with this team, nobody who has Been successful wants to do anything with a rebuilding team

  • Just Fire Baby

    How long can allen justify plying palmer over pryor if the losses continue to mount?

    ****************************

    As long as Pryor is the inferior player to Matt Leinart, he will continue to spit seeds and wear sweatpants on gameday.

    And he is, so he will.

  • LA to TheBay

    806.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    Palmer worshippers are left in a heap, as palmer flails in futility.

    How long can allen justify plying palmer over pryor if the losses continue to mount? Even he must see that is is nearly unwatchable.

    My eyes are squarley on allen at this point, and how he handles this team for the bungles bowl and shortly after will tell me all i need to know.

    trying to go up to cincy and beat dalton and green is an imposing proposition.

    ————-

    Well, Palmer is the most consistent performer on a pretty bad team.

    Say what you will about the pick six, which was a back breaker, he’s the best player on offense, despite a poor game. Even if you don’t like the guy, it’s hard to argue that. Other than Palmer, who has been consistently good on offense, comparably, at their position?

    Maaaaaaybe Myers?

    If anything, Lienart would come in, wouldn’t he? He’s the #2 QB.

  • mcfadden20.

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    mctroll20 no more kool aid for you…its ok to be wrong…da svcks, reggie hired him he svcks…zbs is what we thought it was and zone defense equals blowout losses…

    —–

    Gtfo here you make no sense at all

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Brahs, just kicking it in the Beeeeech Pad studying the video of my stand up comedy performance from Saturday night

    I totally reemed this heckler with some amazing zingers, y’all shoulda been there

    He was all like “Dawg, your jokes blow” and I was like “Idiot said what?” and he said “What?” then I was like “Idiot said what?” and he said “What?!?!”

    Epic comedy blast, my fans were dying

    Afterward of course I humped a hot hizzy in the poop chute. Went totally bareback, kinda regretted that move when I saw my peeper covered in hot chili

    Guess that’s why they call it the blues

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “Mistic, you must be on cloud 9 right now. Palmer played bad, the Radiers lost, and you get to watch Campbell vs Kaepernick tonight.”

    LMAO good one

  • Just Fire Baby

    When Goodson or Darren come back, pretty safe bet Taiwan will be waived.

    It took Stewart one screen pass to prove he is the better player.

  • nycraider

    i may not agree but i understand the semis who feel handing the team over to pryor now will stunt his growth. but what would be so bad about putting in a few packages for him? ease him into the transition..

  • Al_is_theraiders

    its cuz youre too slow mctroll20….let me explain…..3 – 7….

  • mcfadden20.

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    Palmer worshippers are left in a heap, as palmer flails in futility.

    How long can allen justify plying palmer over pryor if the losses continue to mount? Even he must see that is is nearly unwatchable.

    My eyes are squarley on allen at this point, and how he handles this team for the bungles bowl and shortly after will tell me all i need to know.

    trying to go up to cincy and beat dalton and green is an imposing proposition.

    —-

    God get over it , Palmer is our best bet at winning , we’re not winning with another QB , btw it’s going to be fun to see you here after JC game tonight

  • RaiderDebo

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    Really, be specific.

    ***************************

    3-7, getting worse every week, McCoy mailing in carries, Celek dropping passes, O-lineman playing their worst football ever, Desean Jackson alligator arming passes over the middle, defense folding after playing lights out to start the year.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Celek has been dropping passes and fumbling all season. McCoy mailing in carries??? What the hell does that even mean? The OL is missing FOUR starters!! When has DJ alligaor-armed any passes?? He hasn’t dropped a pass all year. And the D?? It’s sucked for the better part of two years!! All you do is wake up Monday morning, read some stats from the sports section of the Daily Bugle, and come on here talking out of school. Watch the games!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Soup will get hurt tonight, write that down.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    @Mistic
    So when watching the Raiders play yesterday, all you could think about was that if Carson Palmer got benched for TP we might have had a chance to win?

    Or/And that Jason Campbell may have led us to victory?
    ==============

    no

    palmers raider are abysmal and shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence as jc’s team.

    I watched the game in blind amazement watching palmer do exactly what i knew he would do when we signed that albatross of a contract. He threw horrific turn overs and the team staggered to the finish line.

  • LA to TheBay

    811.Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    You watch the games or just read the stats?

    ********************************

    Is it possible to do both?

    You know watch something, than look for the FACTS to dig a little deeper afterwards?

    Or most you only do one over the over?

    —————-

    Sniff test first, then stats if I can stomach them. Hey, the facts are on the field. The stats only measure them and can be manipulated to a point.

    I know you’re a numbers guy. One of my favorite bloggers and a cool dude. We fundamentally disagree on a number of things and I’m frustrated as is. Sorry if I sound like an a$$ but I just think sometimes you’re not seeing the forrest for the trees.

  • mcfadden20.

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
    its cuz youre too slow mctroll20….let me explain…..3 – 7….


    Dude like seriously ? Do you have anything to talk about ? Yes ZBS sucks and yes our management is the worst ever ,last 10 years under Al were the best ever for any Franchise , are you happy now ? Will you get my nuts now or are you going to keep on trolling ?

  • LA to TheBay

    Mistic.

    Football take on the defense?

    Ever?

  • Just Fire Baby

    All you do is wake up Monday morning, read some stats from the sports section of the Daily Bugle, and come on here talking out of school. Watch the games!

    ***************************

    So that wasn’t you and I debating Vick when discussing the game yesterday?

    Funny, could have sworn it was.

    Again, how is that Jamarcus dog poop scrub coming along? Maybe a pumice might help.

  • mcfadden20.

    Palmer is the best QB since Gannon . JC will prove his worth tonight, lets see what he does when the run game is not there tonight , can he top his 12 rating 2 years ago

  • http://profootballtalk.com Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush)

    @DJ Johnny: I wanted to say 1st of all that 95% of the time I really enjoy and agree with you posts. But…

    Andy Reid does not suck.
    Dennis Allen sucks.

    Just because Reid didn’t win a super bowl yet does not mean he sucks.

    He took teams far less talented in the past to the championship game on more than 1 occasion.

    I believe for whatever reason the team gave up on Reid and in general. There is something going on in that locker room that most don’t know about.

    Mike Vick has lost his fast ball and unfortunetley Reid is going down with the ship. I respect Reid for sticking with Vick and hoping he will regain his old form but it is likely Vick’s days of being “elite” are behind him.

    I believe Reid’s time is up in Philly and new scenery would revive/reinspire him. He would be just the right blue collar coach Oakland needs. Andy Reid would be like Tom Cable but with FAR more knowledge of the game overall.
    Just sayin

  • LA to TheBay

    Meanwhile, with Reece running the ball, we actually had a watchable run game. DMAC is too fast for what Knapp wants to do. Give him a hole and let him do his thing. Otherwise, trade him for what you can and watch him smoke teams for 10-14 games a year.

    If you pick DMAC over Knapp, you know what you’re in store for with the GM.

  • JLofty

    Everyone in a fine mood today?
    Fire everyone! That ALWAYS works…

  • mcfadden20.

    From 2 years ago

  • LA to TheBay

    If you pick DMAC over Knapp, you know what you’re in store for with the GM.

    —-

    Sorry, other way around.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    brought on youself, calling anyone and everyone with a differing opinion a troll…now troll on…

  • DutchRaider77

    823.RaiderDebo Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    Really, be specific.

    ***************************

    3-7, getting worse every week, McCoy mailing in carries, Celek dropping passes, O-lineman playing their worst football ever, Desean Jackson alligator arming passes over the middle, defense folding after playing lights out to start the year.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Celek has been dropping passes and fumbling all season. McCoy mailing in carries??? What the hell does that even mean? The OL is missing FOUR starters!! When has DJ alligaor-armed any passes?? He hasn’t dropped a pass all year. And the D?? It’s sucked for the better part of two years!! All you do is wake up Monday morning, read some stats from the sports section of the Daily Bugle, and come on here talking out of school. Watch the games!

    _______________________________________________

    Yeah, totally unfair to D. Jackson, he only drops 45% of the passes thrown his way. You owe debbie an apology!

    http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/wr

  • mcfadden20.

    Eagles started sucking after their longtime DCo Johnson retired or passed away . Not sure what happened to him

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “Well, Palmer is the most consistent performer on a pretty bad team.

    Say what you will about the pick six, which was a back breaker, he’s the best player on offense, despite a poor game. Even if you don’t like the guy, it’s hard to argue that. Other than Palmer, who has been consistently good on offense, comparably, at their position?

    Maaaaaaybe Myers?

    If anything, Lienart would come in, wouldn’t he? He’s the #2 QB.”

    Great post I see some fans get it!!!!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Sorry if I sound like an a$$ but I just think sometimes you’re not seeing the forrest for the trees.

    ************************************

    Maybe, none of us are paid football guys, we are all going to have massive whiffs and think we know what we are talking about when we don’t.

    I can admit it that. 98% won’t.

    But stats AREN’T the only picture, but they are the only facts. Everything else is opinion. So I look looking at stats for a big picture, MACRO point of view.

    They can be manipulated, and I do my best to do so, lol.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Mistic, you do realize that Allen and Knapp would most likely start Lienart if Palmer couldn’t play or was benched?

  • Carl Weathers

    Andy Reid needs to step away from football for a few years. The guys son just comitted suicide ffs. Be with your family dude…

  • Al_is_theraiders

    mcgahee out 6 weeks, now if we can get rid of krapp the stars may align….

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    It’s pretty clear that Mistic has become the blog’s biggest troll. He has surpassed MR.

  • mcfadden20.

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    brought on youself, calling anyone and everyone with a differing opinion a troll…now troll on…

    —-
    Dude your a troll , you keep beating the same sh1t to death day in and day out … Gtfo already , yes Als team over last 10 years was the best ever , write that down an take it to bed ..gnite

  • hwnrdr

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    Eagles started sucking after their longtime DCo Johnson retired or passed away . Not sure what happened to him

    That is true! Jim Johnson passed away! After, they have never been teh same on D!

  • JLofty

    Maybe Reid doesn’t want to be with his family. I mean if people in his family are killing themselves not be there any longer maybe that’s a poor solution…

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    The bungles bowl 2012 now becomes the biggest game of carsons life!! This game is what separates the macaroni form the spaghetti, and Carson can begin to carve out a little satisfaction form a failed career.

    The subplots are enormous, as mike brown may have pulled the fleece job of the century, bilking a crazed hu jack and the hapless raiders for all they were worth.

    The bungles now have Dalton one of the best young qbs in the game, paired with aj green, and hey are quick strike offense.

    carson inherited a potent group seasoned and prepped by their fallen leader jc, and couldnt carry the mantle. he failed down the stretch and missed the payoffs. Missing the playoffs again this season would only increase the pressure on carson to live up to the price for his service.

    After telling carson to get packing and kicking his miserable butt to the couch, the bungles are now a young promising team and the raiders are a joke.

    Incidentally this is the only game that still provides carson with relevance, as the book is now out on his career in oakland.

    This is a legacy game, and if he flops he slinks off into the distance once and for all. just another qb nothing special.

  • mcfadden20.

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
    It’s pretty clear that Mistic has become the blog’s biggest troll. He has surpassed MR.

    MR is here in form of Al_is_the_raiders ,he’s doing a good job of beating the same topic to death , prolly more than Mistic

  • RaidingTexas

    Marks Hair Says:

    Palmers pretty good but clearly it was not a good trade
    for us

    ————————————–

    I said that from day one last season. I could never get some of these guys to separate “hate for the trade” from “hate for Palmer”.

    I never hated Palmer. I just hated what we gave up for him.

    Well actually it was no “we”. It was the the drunk-on-irish-coffee idiot that did that crap.