Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings
By Steve Corkran
Monday, November 19th, 2012 at 5:20 pm in Oakland Raiders.
By Jerry McDonald
Staff writer
Owner Mark Davis isn’t the only person who has a problem with the way the Raiders have played over the past three weeks.
“Hey, I’m right there with him,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said Monday at his weekly press conference. “I’m frustrated. I’m disappointed. You wake up in the morning and your gut hurts.
“At the same time, when a man gets knocked down he gets up and fights. And that’s exactly what we intend to do. I understand his frustration; I can appreciate that. Let me tell you there’s nobody that’s going to work any harder to get it corrected than I will.”
Davis had an impromptu meeting with the press following Sunday’s 38-17 loss to New Orleans, saying he was a patient man but unhappy with “regression.”
When asked if general manager Reggie McKenzie and Allen received a pass this year because of salary cap issues and injuries, Davis said, “I wouldn’t call it a pass. They’ve got contracts, they’re going to be here.”
Next up for the Raiders is a visit to Cincinnati on Sunday and with it the twin storylines of Carson Palmer’s return to Paul Brown Stadium and former Raiders coach Hue Jackson being on the opposite sideline with the Bengals as an assistant coach.
Beating the Bengals, 5-5, after an unprecedented three-game stretch during which the Raiders have given up 135 points, would brighten the outlook considerably.
“When you lose, it hurts, rips your gut out,” Allen said. “A win turns everything around. A win makes everybody feels a lot better. And that’s what we need to do. We need to come together as a football team and all make a decision that we’re going to do what it takes to win football games.”
Allen’s message to the team was to stick together and Palmer believes his talk hit the mark.
“His message was really good, spoken from a guy who’s been on good teams, been on bad teams and been the middle also,” Palmer said. “I think this team will respond very well to his message. We have to stick together. I don’t think that’s an issue. We know what areas we need to improve on. This is a group that is not going to shy away from that.”
The Raiders issues have remained fairly constant since the season began. Offensively, they’ve had difficulty running the ball, although Marcel Reece had 103 yards on 19 carries against New Orleans. They’ve had difficulty converting third downs and in the red zone.
Defensively, the Raiders have had periods of being unable to stop both the run and pass, and against New Orleans both problems were in evidence at the same time.
“I think consistency has been our biggest Achilles’ heel,” Palmer said. “We’ve put together great plays or a great quarter or a great half on every side of the ball. But consistently doing it — the teams that win consistently in this league play consistently well four quarters of the game.”
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who has missed the last two games with a hamstring strain, agreed.
“It isn’t the most talented teams that win in this league, it’s the teams that do everything right over and over and over again,” Seymour said. “We’ve been inconsistent at times, offense, defense and special teams. Any time that happens, the record speaks for itself.”
– Allen hopes to see players such as Seymour (hamstring), Darren McFadden (ankle), Mike Goodson (ankle) and Tyvon Branch (neck) back on the practice field, but made it a point to say injuries were no excuse and had no information as to whether any or all could return this week.
– One of the people Allen has sought for counsel is Dan Reeves, the head coach in Atlanta when he had his first NFL job.
– Asked if he has enough good players to turn things around, Allen said, “I firmly believe that. I think of you look at it the other way around that’s an excuse, a crutch to say you can’t get it done.”
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November 19th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Still only 4-12 on 3rd down. When do they fix THAT?
November 19th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings
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Jerry’s take? Huh? I don’t see anything resembling a ‘take’ in that post.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: RGIII is on a level all his own,==
You had him rated above Luck, right? Race Alert!! Race Alert!!
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more pathetic race baiting.
these cats just cant help themselves==========================
Just anticipating your all too predictable response, Tick
November 19th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Richard seymore is right the record speaks for itself and it is screaming that he is a fruad.
he hasnt produced what his salary warrants and has under performed along with everyone else.’
he is the carcass palmer of the defense
November 19th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Mistic, his name is spelled Seymour.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
The Law firm is going to run rickshaw on this defense. I don’t see next week Turing out so well.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Gruden explaining how they had to dummy down the offense for Jason Campbell….
November 19th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
blah blah blah…
November 19th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Calling Dan Reeves for advice? Makes me sick
November 19th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
This team is in FREEFALL.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
We’ll see in 6 days. That defense needs to quit cr@pping the bed…same with ST…
November 19th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
GO 49ERS!
November 19th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says: Mistic, his name is spelled Seymour.==
You get to frothing at the mouth and wiping it off, your fingers and keyboard get all spitty and spelling goes to he11 along with logic.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Wonder what Mark Davis meant with the “I have my opinion” but he’s not going to share comment when it came to starters, namely QB.
Davis did say he had confidence in Carson Palmer, but, could he want to see what Pryor can do at QB with season already lost?
November 19th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says: Mistic, his name is spelled Seymour.==
You get to frothing at the mouth and wiping it off, your fingers and keyboard get all spitty and spelling goes to he11 along with logic.
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You dumbass fkr. You don’t possess ANY football knowledge, so you come in here to pander, to get somebody to talk to your dumbass. Pathetic.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Wonder what Mark Davis meant with the “I have my opinion” but he’s not going to share comment when it came to starters, namely QB.
Davis did say he had confidence in Carson Palmer, but, could he want to see what Pryor can do at QB with season already lost?
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It’s probably what he was getting at. Not to mention it was his dads last pick.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Wonder what Mark Davis meant with the “I have my opinion” but he’s not going to share comment when it came to starters, namely QB.
Davis did say he had confidence in Carson Palmer, but, could he want to see what Pryor can do at QB with season already lost?
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Davis wants to see Leinart play. They used to party together.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
KoolKell Says: You dumbass fkr. You don’t possess ANY football knowledge, so you come in here to pander, to get somebody to talk to your dumbass. Pathetic.============================
And I don’t even want a fan club.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says: Mistic, his name is spelled Seymour.==
You get to frothing at the mouth and wiping it off, your fingers and keyboard get all spitty and spelling goes to he11 along with logic.
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You dumbass fkr. You don’t possess ANY football knowledge, so you come in here to pander, to get somebody to talk to your dumbass. Pathetic.
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Kell, you need to put that bottle down.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
KoolKell Says: You dumbass fkr. You don’t possess ANY football knowledge, so you come in here to pander, to get somebody to talk to your dumbass. Pathetic.============================
And I don’t even want a fan club.
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Don’t worry dumb Btch, you don’t.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
cant wait until they fire danus allen, reggie too
November 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
49ers look like they are going to take it to the Bears. I feel bad for Jason Campbell.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Zone D hasn’t been working to well for the DB’s.
Who’s fault is that, players or coaches or both?
Pass rush to me has all been players. Terrible
November 19th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Don’t worry dumb Btch, you don’t.========================
Don’t what?
November 19th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
kaeperneck aint no joke…
November 19th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
What’s the over/under on sacks for Campbell tonight?
November 19th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
zone defense is dvmb, let them catch it and tackle? defense is suposed to be aggressive…
November 19th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Morilla Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
What’s the over/under on sacks for Campbell tonight?
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5
November 19th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Who did we take instead of Kap? At the time weren’t the Raiders looking at him pretty hard?
November 19th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
gruden says he loves our people…
November 19th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
gruden says he loves our people…
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What do you mean ‘our people’?
November 19th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Fire DA…Should have fired him after the smile with Fox
November 19th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
yeah al wanted him bad…but waited a bit too long.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
raider fans…
November 19th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Al Davis was happy as he thought Kaepernick would fall to the Raiders in the second round. And for a moment, it appeared as it would be so.
But, two picks (I believe) before Collin would have fallen in the Raiders’ lap, the 49ers traded up and scooped him up.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
JC 31 – 39
November 19th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I doubt Soup makes it through the whole game.
Remember his little stinger issues?
2-3 sacks max. Or he gets clobbered running for his life.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Kaepernick was picked 12 picks ahead of Wisnieski. The Raiders didn’t have a #1 pick that year.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Sack #1
November 19th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Riding the Niners heavy tonight based almost completely on my lack of confidence in Jason Campbell to spark any kind of major offensive output against a quality defense.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
yeah 9ers knew we were getting him…had to trade up
November 19th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
The Raiders got Richard Seymour instead of Kaepernick.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
“Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
gruden says he loves our people…
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What do you mean ‘our people’?”
LMAO good one did you see the Fantastic JC just get sacked?
November 19th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
What “escapability”.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
The Bears have a terrible offensive line. That’s their weakest link.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
“yeah 9ers knew we were getting him…had to trade up”
I remember that…
November 19th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Why does Jim Rome have a perm?
November 19th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
When did Jim Rome opt for a perm? Nice call, JR.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
“yeah 9ers knew we were getting him…had to trade up”
I remember that…
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Bastards.
November 19th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Why does the organization feel were regressing. the defense is improveing allowed 55,42, then 38 pts. heck theyll probally hold the Bengals to 35.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
alex smith wont get his job back
November 19th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Kaepernick looks pretty damn good. Is this Alex Smith’s ‘Wally Pipp’ moment?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Kaepernick, o-line, WRs and TEs are making it look easy against Bears defense right now. Wow.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Couldn’t Vernon Davis have played like this last week when I started him in FF?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Morilla,
LOL. I swear I didn’t see your post about Rome before I wrote that. Strange.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Great, now the Whiners got their QB to go with Harbaugh. Oh well we got Tits and a former H.S. #1 overall prospect that doesn’t see the field.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
What did I tell about Kaepernick?
Now imagine TP6 in his second season in this offense and what he would bring to this team in excitement and production. It’s off the charts the Niners manipulated this situation to see this kid play.
If the Raiders are smart they would get TP some playing time this year and get him ready………..period
November 19th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
I’d rather have Kapernick over palmer. Didnt the 49ers trade up because they said the Raiders were hot on to him?
- I want my qb with some mobility and pump action trait
- I wonder how different our org would be if we drafted him. Does hue still make a trade for palmer with Kappy? pay Palmer 13 million vs Kappys 2nd round salary? More money for FA’s
That would be no Little Wiz though.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Morilla,
LOL. I swear I didn’t see your post about Rome before I wrote that. Strange.
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Haha, thinking the same thing.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
morilla Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
What’s the over/under on sacks for Campbell tonight?
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I’d set it at 4.5 and I’d bet the over. Not sure what the Vegas line on that is though.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Btw goes to show you Raiders need a pass rusher bad. U see Aldon smith? U see Von miller?
Even chargers Eric weddle said the broncos are so good because they DONT HAVE TO BLITZ.. they can stay in coverage and just rely on their Edge rushhers. Front 4.
We need to draft that kind out of Texas AM Demantre Moore.. or jarvis jones.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
tp cant pass like kap but worth a shot…not happening though…would require creativity from the coaches…,
November 19th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
The Raiders really need to get some more Samoan guys.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
I remember liking why I saw from CK when the Raiders were looking at him. He seemed petty solid, too bad we missed out on that one.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
BTW your OLINE looks alot better when u have a RB that can run.. (Marcel Reece) and a QB that can scramble and extend drives with their feet. Or the threat of taking off and running like KAPPY.
Defense doesnt know whats coming. That was my biggest thing with the Palmer trade. Didnt want him cuz he was a Statue back there.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Priest, K is a real QB,..Pryor isnt,..you disagree?…call Gary bout it manana,..thanks to me you are allowed to call again. You welcome.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
he has one good scoring drive and this blog is ready to crown him….TYPICAL retarded derelicts in here spouting off at any little thing they can…
November 19th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
The Raiders really need to get some more Samoan guys.
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Shouldn’t never have sent that Center packing.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Crown him? I’d say Harbaugh Knows qb’s. If he traded up to get him that says something.
I mean 49ers GM Trent Balke is one of the best in the game.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Campbell sucks.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
TP can pass better than Kaepernick, Kappy throws everything with a lot of heat no touch. TP throws a catchable ball short medium and deep.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
not ready to crown him but if taken care of he can develop…the guy tore up the ncaa…
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Gruden sure loves Kaepernick.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I love Marcel Reece as much as anybody. I was onto him as a great prospect when he was still on the practice squad. But it’s not fair to elevate him over McFadden based on one game against the Saints, whose defense has been as bad as ours this season.
McFadden has not seen holes like that since Hue was running the show. Papa said on the radio today that DMac may have run for 300 yards on the Saints yesterday.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Alabama dropped the charges against McClain. That’ll piss you people off.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Not to mention the kid can flat out fly. Defense are scared of this kid . believe me. Raider fans dont know what their missing with a dual threat qb . or even guy with aaron rodgers type speed.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
i would say tp has a huge arm but colin just a bit stronger and faster…
November 19th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Alabama dropped the charges against McClain. That’ll piss you people off.
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That was pretty random.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Alex Smith will be your next qb in Oakland,.or LA,..depending upon when he gets here…the Raiders love all unwanted Niners.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
THe knock on DMAC has always been that he doesnt wait for holes to open up and he doesnt choose the right one.
He is a “STRAIGHT LINE ” speed guy. which is why you see him running directly into the back of OLINE MEN. doest have that side to side range
November 19th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
he has one good scoring drive and this blog is ready to crown him….TYPICAL retarded derelicts in here spouting off at any little thing they can…
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Did you see that deep ball accuracy? Or all other accurate passes? That’s why I’m impressed. Don’t worry I got tits to inspire us.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Defense doesnt know whats coming. That was my biggest thing with the Palmer trade. Didnt want him cuz he was a Statue back there.
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This is my biggest issue with Palmer he wont move his feet. He’s been taught to stay in the pocket and he wont run at all. Oh! and stop the picks dammit!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Alabama dropped the charges against McClain. That’ll piss you people off.
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Thanks for the 3-day old news. Yeah, “victim” refused to press ahead with the case so the judge had to drop it.
#payoff
November 19th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
harbaugh would make dennis allen scream like a girl…hate the whiners…
November 19th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
imagine if Greg Knapp took his “Gameplan” so harbaugh could proof read? LOL .. would be like GTFOH
November 19th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Bill Romanowski@billromanowski
Bledsoe-Brady = Smith-Kaepernick
Via twitter
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From romo
November 19th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Son you might as well accept it Kappy can play……..period
Alex Smith dust off the resume…
November 19th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
mark schlereth@markschlereth
WildKap my butt this kid is cutting them up!!!
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Via the broncos guy Mark SChlareth. Looks like the blog isnt the only one ready to “crown him”
November 19th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Only way Pryor sees substantial time on the field for Raiders is if Gruden were head coach.
Wonder if it is all ESPN lip service on his part, but, Gruden has gushed about Pryor since he entered the supplemental draft.
It seems DA, Knapp and others want nothing to do with Al Davis’ final draft pick.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Alabama dropped the chargers against McClain. That’ll piss you people off.
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A little late to the party Kell. That was reported yesterday. Is your ipad working correctly?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I love Marcel Reece as much as anybody. I was onto him as a great prospect when he was still on the practice squad. But it’s not fair to elevate him over McFadden based on one game against the Saints, whose defense has been as bad as ours this season.
McFadden has not seen holes like that since Hue was running the show. Papa said on the radio today that DMac may have run for 300 yards on the Saints yesterday.
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Yeah, I agree. But I still think that Goodson might be a better fit than Dmac. He seems to read and react better. Lets the blocking ( when it’s there) develop and shoots the hole fast.
Seems like Dmac is either to impatient or his vision and instincts are failing. He doesn’t seem the same. Could be the system or it could be that he’s hit his ceiling.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Don’t worry!!!
We are looking at things, we are rollin up our sleeves and getting to work. It is gut wrenching and unacceptable. We a are all boxers and I am mad.
We are pullin the rope man pullin the rope in the same direction.
They forgot to grade the Raiders on “coach speak” I give him a B for Bullshvt!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Chimdi Chekwa@ChimChek
“@SterlingMoore: Kaepernick out there slangin that rock around…..” for real tho
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Chimdi Chewka responds to Sterling moore tweet.
Ball players talking now
November 19th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Aaron Curry@AaronCurry51
Gruden goes in my book of favorite coaches that I saw growing up
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Random Aaron curry tweet. Does he know something we dont yet?? Did mark tell him to chill and help is coming?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
For the record, I wanted to draft Iupati over Slowlando.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Alabama dropped the chargers against McClain. That’ll piss you people off.
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A little late to the party Kell. That was reported yesterday. Is your ipad working correctly?
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Didn’t see it yesterday, Btch, is that a crime?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
People jsut don’t get it this kid passed for over 10,000 yards in college but they all want to say he’s just a runner………..lol
November 19th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
It seems DA, Knapp and others want nothing to do with Al Davis’ final draft pick.
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What?! Say it ain’t so. Houdini must be given a chance!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
If the 49ers can do this to the Bears defense, just think what they would do to the Raiders.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
The Raiders high-tailed it out of Dodge after the Niners won their forst superbowl,…when the Niners win the superbowl in February the Raiders will do it again,..they cannot stand being around the Niners when they are once again a dynasty….the Niners will be favored to win the superbowl the next 5-7 years. During those years the Raiders will average 5 wins a year,…Im real.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Priest.. they dont get it man. They hot for Palmer. Nevermind the new generation of Qb’s
November 19th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
My recollection is that Hue, to his credit, lobbied hard for Kapernick but Al wanted Wis.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
The Raiders missed out on both Kkappernickkee,..and Harbaugh,…thats Raider life in a nutshell.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
morilla Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I love Marcel Reece as much as anybody. I was onto him as a great prospect when he was still on the practice squad. But it’s not fair to elevate him over McFadden based on one game against the Saints, whose defense has been as bad as ours this season.
McFadden has not seen holes like that since Hue was running the show. Papa said on the radio today that DMac may have run for 300 yards on the Saints yesterday.
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Yeah, I agree. But I still think that Goodson might be a better fit than Dmac. He seems to read and react better. Lets the blocking ( when it’s there) develop and shoots the hole fast.
Seems like Dmac is either to impatient or his vision and instincts are failing. He doesn’t seem the same. Could be the system or it could be that he’s hit his ceiling.
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Bad system fit. Coaching failure.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Old man Kell,..you already angry and cussing?..why is that?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Alabama dropped the chargers against McClain. That’ll piss you people off.
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A little late to the party Kell. That was reported yesterday. Is your ipad working correctly?
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Didn’t see it yesterday, Btch, is that a crime?
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I guess you were too busy selling houses.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Bill Romanowski@billromanowski
Kaepernick makes it look easy against one of the best defenses in the NFL.
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Brandon Tierney@BrandonTierney
In 7 minutes Kaepernick has already made multiple throws #11 hasn’t made in 7 + years. #truth
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95.7 the game DJ weight in. When is it the Raiders turn? when are we gonna find our Qb of the future?? or is he chewing seeds on the sidelines already ? cuz the new Coach doesnt like him?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
I guess you were too busy selling houses.
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Could be Btch.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
SOB. Alex Smith will never play for that team again!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
We do not have an offensive line or a TE that SF does, that’s why we can’t do this.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
The Niners stole Kappy from the Raiders. The heard the Raiders were going to draft the kid and jumped ahead of them to get him.
But The Raiders lucked out bigtime getting TP now the coaches need to give this kid some reps at the #2 spot instead this lame Leinart. They are wasting time using Leinart at #2 it’s just further evidence taht this coaching staff just can’t evaluate talent correctly.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Al Davis was the dumbest owner of the past 20 years. He couldn’t spot a good QB if it hit him in the face!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
The Bears D looks like the Raiders.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Fortunately for the Bears Jason Campbell has the ability to put a team on his back and ……..oh right..
November 19th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Priest,..Pryor isnt a QB,..get over it,..call Gary about it he will agree with me.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
I guess you were too busy selling houses.
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Could be Btch.
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More likely you were getting drunk and playing Angry Birds on your ipad.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Priest,..Pryor isnt a QB,..get over it,..call Gary about it he will agree with me.
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Who is Gary?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Urlacher is an old, slow blob. They are too slow. The 49ers will score at least 34 tonight.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
WHY? Why People Why?
Can’t anybody just come out and as DA three simple minded fckn question, So fckn simple minded my third grade nephew could answer them. And HE’S a Raider fan!
1 – DA, do you feel your zbs is a proper fit for your player personel?
2 – DA, Do you game plan to exploit your opponents weaknesses?
3 – DA, can as coaches, you make adjustments tailored to fit you player personel?
And one more thing:
DA, What the f*ck goes on in that locker room at half time?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Sack #2
November 19th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Bill Romanowski@billromanowski
Kaepernick makes it look easy against one of the best defenses in the NFL.
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Brandon Tierney@BrandonTierney
In 7 minutes Kaepernick has already made multiple throws #11 hasn’t made in 7 + years. #truth
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95.7 the game DJ weight in. When is it the Raiders turn? when are we gonna find our Qb of the future?? or is he chewing seeds on the sidelines already ? cuz the new Coach doesnt like him?
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Listen I sold Kaepernick to the Raiders the same as I did Terrelle Pryor only the Niners stole Kappy. I’m telling ya’ it’s Greg Knapp and his idiocy that is at work. DA needs to pull his head out!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Pryor is a tremendous talent.
Not using him is incredibly stupid.
Knapp is the worst offensive co-ordinator I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Campbell and whoever says he is better QB than Palmer is a complete and utter joke.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Living in Chicago, I like seeing the Bears lose like you guys like seeing the 49ers lose.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
More likely you were getting drunk and playing Angry Birds on your ipad.
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That could be too, Btch, what’s it to ya?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
WHY? Why People Why?
Can’t anybody just come out and as DA three simple minded fckn question, So fckn simple minded my third grade nephew could answer them. And HE’S a Raider fan!
1 – DA, do you feel your zbs is a proper fit for your player personel?
2 – DA, Do you game plan to exploit your opponents weaknesses?
3 – DA, can as coaches, you make adjustments tailored to fit you player personel?
And one more thing:
DA, What the f*ck goes on in that locker room at half time?
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You can ask those questions but you won’t get anything. All you will get is coach speak and clichés.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
That int was on the WR ……….what a terrible route.lol
November 19th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
When Gruden was slappin hands and signing autographs before the game, anybody get to ask him if he was coming back, or would he come back, or when he is coming back, or, hey Gruden, we need you back, What we got now is a real fckn train wreck. When knapp bunghole surfers and DA nutt huggers are jumpin ship, you know its time to make a change.
GRUDEN NOW!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Campbell shows why he will forever be a back up.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Kirk Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Pryor is a tremendous talent.
Not using him is incredibly stupid.
Knapp is the worst offensive co-ordinator I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
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That’s ridiculous. He’s not even the worst OC the Raiders have had.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
WHY? Why People Why?
Can’t anybody just come out and as DA three simple minded fckn question, So fckn simple minded my third grade nephew could answer them. And HE’S a Raider fan!
1 – DA, do you feel your zbs is a proper fit for your player personel?
2 – DA, Do you game plan to exploit your opponents weaknesses?
3 – DA, can as coaches, you make adjustments tailored to fit you player personel?
And one more thing:
DA, What the f*ck goes on in that locker room at half time?
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I agree! I think the beat writers are afraid to ask the hardline questions. How can you play 10 freaking games and come out and look like garbage in the 3rd quarter. Those coaches got to be bull s–ting at halftime.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
More likely you were getting drunk and playing Angry Birds on your ipad.
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That could be too, Btch, what’s it to ya?
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Why do you keep calling me btch? I’m not your wife.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Not the WR’s fault. All Campbell, the elite back up QB.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Bears need to end the Devin Hester at WR experiment.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I think Gruden would come back. I really do. He’s a Raider at heart. If he came back and turned things around again he’d cement his status as a legend in Raiders lore.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Just Jason being Jason.
Welcome back to SF, where you can get clowned all over again.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Why do you keep calling me btch? I’m not your wife.
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She’s a lady, you’re a Btch. That’s the diff.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL
Jason Campbell’s 0.0 passer rating a perfect match with Blutarski’s grade-point average in Animal House.
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November 19th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
What the fck goes on at half time? I think I just answered my own question: Players aren’t buying the manure and have a hard time getting up from that, coach manure speak and all. It’s pretty obvious that is what it is. Players know.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
My question to DA would have been
Coaches make half time adjustments, with that said; Why have the Raiders come out so falt in the second half of most, if not all of the games?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
nope al wanted kap, just that 9ers traded up two spots ahead of us…
November 19th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
or Flat*
November 19th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Doesn’t take a genius to realize Jason is nothing without a top 10 running game.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Doesn’t take a genius to realize Jason is nothing without a top 10 running game.
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Imagine how good Palmer could be with a 1-2 punch running game.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Palmer would be much more dangerous with a running game and the int’s would decrease as well. Too bad the other monkeys in here don’t see that.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/Its-Hue-Jackson-Week-in-Raiderlandkinda?blockID=804003&feedID=2801
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Nice to see our Defensive captain gushing about our former head coach…But hey, we were right to hire Tits right Marky Mark?!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Obviously, we have a lot of respect for Hue so I’m sure we’ll give him a hug after the game, not before probably, stay out of his way,” Raiders defensive tackle Richard Seymour said with a smile Monday. “But he’s a guy that we have a ton of respect for. He was a heck of a play-caller for sure. And he loved his players. That’s something that we’ll take from it. Whether a guy’s here this year, that’s just the business of the NFL.
DA’s tits just leaked
November 19th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Is anybody rooting for Campbell now?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Tonight, MNF is witnessing the worst offensive performance ever, or are the whiners that good.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
If you do the same thing you will get the same result. The coaches should know if they are doing the same thing at haltime nothing is going to change. Raise a little h**L or do SOMETHING different at halftime.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Nice to see our Defensive captain gushing about our former head coach…But hey, we were right to hire Tits right Marky Mark?!
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And I thought all along that Reg hired Dennis Allen, now I know
November 19th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
If you do the same thing you will get the same result.
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That’s the definition of insanity.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Is anybody rooting for Campbell now?
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Me.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
aiders For Life Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Nice to see our Defensive captain gushing about our former head coach…But hey, we were right to hire Tits right Marky Mark?!
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And I thought all along that Reg hired Dennis Allen, now I know
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Supposedly it was Mark’s call to can Hue.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
That int was on the WR ……….what a terrible route.lol
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Ok… Whatever man… Bears ran it 3 straight on next possession.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
People please take a good look at what great coaching does for your players………then take a look at what we suffer through on Sundays it is all just coaching. Jim Harbaugh has out together a program that is first rate and Reggie and DA have us watching cut rate program coached by a nincumput in Greg Knapp.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Is anybody rooting for Campbell now?
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Me.
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Why? He’s about to get a safety. Just watch
November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
You didn’t see the route the WR ran dude?? He might as well have told the DB to jump the route.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
8RaiderReign8 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Is anybody rooting for Campbell now?
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Me.
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Good luck with that.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
People please take a good look at what great coaching does for your players………then take a look at what we suffer through on Sundays it is all just coaching. Jim Harbaugh has out together a program that is first rate and Reggie and DA have us watching cut rate program coached by a nincumput in Greg Knapp.
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Not 1 Raider could start on the 49ers D.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
the 49ers know that Jason Campbell sucks so bad that they can focus on the run…..and you get what we have here tonight a shutout!
JC sucks!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
We’ll probably never know the exact truth, if it were Mark Davis’ or Reggie McKenzie’s call to axe Hue Jackson.
But, what is done, is done.
Davis gave the green light to McKenzie who hired Dennis Allen.
We’ll have to see how it plays out.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Jason Campbell is 2 for 6 tonight LMAO he look awful!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Who did Mark Davis watch the game ( Raiders vs Saints)with?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
You didn’t see the route the WR ran dude?? He might as well have told the DB to jump the route.
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Campbell = sucks
Its always been that simple
November 19th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
I mean really. Name 1 talented starting Qb that’s ever been benched during the season, and there are some
November 19th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Jason Campbell is 2 for 6 for negative 19 yards LMFAO what a train wreck!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Anyone who would rather have Campbell over Palmer is clueless. Palmer needs a good offensive system. Campbell couldn’t excell in any system. You want someone to blame? Blame Allen and Knapp.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Wasn’t Mike Tice mentioned as a potential Raider coaching candidate last year?
November 19th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
As a Raider fan , I hate halftime shows.
November 19th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Campbells decision making sucks… Just threw a long out route right before half within their 20. Horrible football sense.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I almost feel sorry for JC
November 19th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
morilla Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
People please take a good look at what great coaching does for your players………then take a look at what we suffer through on Sundays it is all just coaching. Jim Harbaugh has out together a program that is first rate and Reggie and DA have us watching cut rate program coached by a nincumput in Greg Knapp.
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Not 1 Raider could start on the 49ers D.
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As far as you can see……the Raiders have plenty of talent son it’s just not coahced very well. You just don’t understand this game man. Tyvon Branch, LHouston, Des Bryant, Matt S. can all play and that is just a few of them. Put together a gameplan they believe in and just watch them play. It aint the players………….trust me!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
All the defensive players were excited about the new defensive scheme during the preseason. I’m not buying into, it’s all the coaches fault.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
morilla Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
People please take a good look at what great coaching does for your players………then take a look at what we suffer through on Sundays it is all just coaching. Jim Harbaugh has out together a program that is first rate and Reggie and DA have us watching cut rate program coached by a nincumput in Greg Knapp.
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Not 1 Raider could start on the 49ers D.
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As far as you can see……the Raiders have plenty of talent son it’s just not coahced very well. You just don’t understand this game man. Tyvon Branch, LHouston, Des Bryant, Matt S. can all play and that is just a few of them. Put together a gameplan they believe in and just watch them play. It aint the players………….trust me!
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The game is not that complicated. Scores points and stop the guy with the ball. Good players do their jobs.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
dont trash danus allen some people in here will start crying…
November 19th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Obviously, we have a lot of respect for Hue so I’m sure we’ll give him a hug after the game, not before probably, stay out of his way,” Raiders defensive tackle Richard Seymour said with a smile Monday. “But he’s a guy that we have a ton of respect for. He was a heck of a play-caller for sure. And he loved his players. That’s something that we’ll take from it. Whether a guy’s here this year, that’s just the business of the NFL.
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Ohhhhhhh. Here we go. C’mon Hue haters…What about how Hue “lost the locker room” when he “threw the whole team under the bus”.
I’ve been hearing that BS for the last 9 months…
LMFAO.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
The Bears OLine is worst than ours…..lol
Don’t be too overly impressed with the niners front this Oline they’re facing is terrible.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
BABOON CAMPBELL = -1 YARD PASSING OFFENSE FOR A WHOLE HALF OF FOOTBALL !!!!!! LMFAO!!!!! WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Hahahaha.
Where’s all the guys that said “Hue lost the team”?
C’mon…
November 19th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
morilla Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
People please take a good look at what great coaching does for your players………then take a look at what we suffer through on Sundays it is all just coaching. Jim Harbaugh has out together a program that is first rate and Reggie and DA have us watching cut rate program coached by a nincumput in Greg Knapp.
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Not 1 Raider could start on the 49ers D.
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As far as you can see……the Raiders have plenty of talent son it’s just not coahced very well. You just don’t understand this game man. Tyvon Branch, LHouston, Des Bryant, Matt S. can all play and that is just a few of them. Put together a gameplan they believe in and just watch them play. It aint the players………….trust me!
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If the Raiders have so much talent, then why do all these guys that the Raiders cut fail on other teams? The only Al guy that is currently playing well on another team is Stevie Brown. And he was cut because Al didn’t think he could play.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
BABOON CAMPBELL IS WAYYYYYY BETTER THAN PALMER !!!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
AIN’T THAT RIGHT MISTIC THE SUPABABOON!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
The game is not that complicated. Scores points and stop the guy with the ball. Good players do their jobs.
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It’s complicated whe you’re not coached properly…..trustme. These players don’t believe in this stafff and I’m not just talking about the defense I’m talking about the entire staff.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
I’ve said all along that NOT ONE PLAYER has been documented as saying Hue threw them under the bus and that he “lost the team”, yet guys have been saying that ad nauseum for NINE FREAKING MONTHS.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Trust me son. You just don’t the game like old Priest does. Sit back and the let the master explain…
November 19th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
“Hue was a blowhard. He had to go after he called the players out.”
LMFAO.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
BABOON QB’S ABOUT TO GO 1-2 THIS WEEK …ANOTHER LOSING WEEK FOR THE DUMB BABOONS
November 19th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
took da all of three consecutive weeks to lose this team….
November 19th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
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25s Pastor Napoleon @napoleonkaufman
Bears coming back in the second half, WATCH! The REAL 9ers gonna start playing. #SaltyRaider
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Napoleon Kaufman should join this blog. He’s delusional like everyone else.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Trust me son. You just don’t the game like old Priest does. Sit back and the let the master explain…
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I bit my tongue.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
The biggest thing that we done have is an OFFENSIVE guy like TO to get in KNAPP face and rip into him. U know why did that? Cuz Knapp was predictable boring and horrible play caller.
Say what you want but TO was highly paid but still had that fire and desire. Raiders dont have that on offense. Everyone is just a go along with the program type guy even when its not working.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Cambell is not really moving so good for a mobil QB.
He has the same STUPID look on his face that DA gets.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Campbell sucks, Mistic’s stupid and whoever else agrees with him is stupid. Lol. This is what you get when you Campbell in.
And as for the state of the Raiders, We Suck.
I’m willing to give Reggie time but as far as I’m concerned DA can kick rocks. I have absolutely no faith in him. He gets no pass. We all knew that Knapp was crap, how come he didn’t? I do believe that a lot of the issues of this team rest on the players. Meyers dropping passes, streater fumbling, dropping passes, get him the hell off the field. Moore running bad routes, dropping balls, palmer throwing picks, special teams straight trash, Adams fumbling tripping and sucking. Safety’s blowing the responsibilities.
And the list can go on and on. But the failure of this team falls squarely on DA. I’m so sick of him blaming everyone but himself. Why aren’t these reporters asking him the hard questions. Ask him why did he ruin DMC, ask him why he defang our offense. I’m starting to think he was sent over by the donkeys to sabotage us.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
The game is not that complicated. Scores points and stop the guy with the ball. Good players do their jobs.
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It’s complicated whe you’re not coached properly…..trustme. These players don’t believe in this stafff and I’m not just talking about the defense I’m talking about the entire staff.
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THAT is why firing Hue was such an unmitigated disaster.
NOW we have to fire YET ANOTHER HC cuz we got rid of the one that actually did something.
ANother yr. of jokes about how dysfunctional we are cuz we fire a HC EVERY DANG YEAR.
Only difference THIS TIME is that THIS TIME the HC deserves to get canned.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
HEY MR. ALLEN ITS NOT YOUR FAULT…ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO TEACH A PACK OF DUMB MONKEYS ANYTHING MUCH LESS FOOTBALL.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
[...] Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings By Jerry McDonald Staff writer Owner Mark Davis isn’t the only person who has a problem with the way the Raiders have played over the past three weeks. “Hey, I’m right there with him,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said Monday at… [...]
November 19th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
nice to see this blog come along on how bad da reslly is…now you guys need to realize how stupid reggies moves have been…
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Corky can say what you want.. Ive been mad at JC at times … but
via the stats guy
twitter
Campbell in last 15 starts with #Raiders 10-5; 60.3% completion; 17 TDs, 8INTs, 89.6 passer rating
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Raiders beat writers no Fans can take away those stats from him. You guys will say run game. but whose fault was it to take that away and put palmer in the ZBS/ west coast system. horrible
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Yeah sure they all fail……..what an idiot!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Tarver kinda throwing his guys under the bus here – says no communication prob – “the calls were in” see @1:38 http://www.csnbayarea.com/raidersvideo# “The guys are ready”
Ready for what? They weren’t ready to stop a TD when it was 3rd and 13… Jeezus.
The only positive I saw was some black coach yelling at huff, mm34 and either bartel or giordano.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
How is that considered a take by Jerry?
He did not give his opinion about one thing.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Who was they guy that gave Smith his concussion? Niners fans need to send him a nice cheese basket.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Marc Trestman would have been a better hire at OC than Greg Knapp.
Sure, Trestman would have been a re-tread, but his offense under Bill Calahan was fun to watch.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Campbell in last 15 starts with #Raiders 10-5; 60.3% completion; 17 TDs, 8INTs, 89.6 passer rating
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Thank God we won’t have to hear the same old drone..on and on …”Hue lost the locker room when he called players out”.
B FREAKING S.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Campbell was 12-7. Palmer is 7-13.. Of course Campbell had Hue.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
MR. ALLEN PUT TOGETHER A TEAM OF ALL WHITE PLAYERS THEN YOU WILL WIN!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
those are not that bad of numbers. Im sure palmer would take that 10-5 record
November 19th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Believe me now?????
The kid aint just a RUNNER….
November 19th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
So much for the “Hue lost the team” myth: http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/raiders-talk/Its-Hue-Jackson-Week-in-Raiderlandkinda?blockID=804003&feedID=2801
Can we officially bury that one next to the Jason Campbell vs. Carson Palmer “debate” tonight? LOL.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Alex Smith is the Niner’s new back-up QB.
Kaepernick owns Da Bears.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Bottom line.. in the end DA will be no better then Lane Kiffin. They even went after the same guy in KNAPP LOL
November 19th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Alex Smith is going to experience concussion symptoms for the next 2 months.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
After tonight, nobody should be allowed to mention Jason Campbell’s name in here anymore.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Campbell in last 15 starts with #Raiders 10-5; 60.3% completion; 17 TDs, 8INTs, 89.6 passer rating
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Tou can’t argue with #’s like that, give the guy credit.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
now if only we could find a beat writer with cajones…
November 19th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Rumor has it that Reggie vetoed DOA’s first 5 choices for OC. Too bad it wasn’t 6.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Hey Krappy, so you are saying Campbell is better then Carson. Just admit it cuz it sure sounds like it
November 19th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Campbell was 12-7. Palmer is 7-13.. Of course Campbell had Hue.
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There you go.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
As far as you can see……the Raiders have plenty of talent son it’s just not coahced very well. You just don’t understand this game man. Tyvon Branch, LHouston, Des Bryant, Matt S. can all play and that is just a few of them. Put together a gameplan they believe in and just watch them play. It aint the players………….trust me!
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Players are the only ones who drop passes for ints.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
JC still cant slide!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Still can’t slide.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Now just use your imagination with TP6 in his second season in this offense like kappy. I’m telling ya’ these two kids are very similar in talent………who wouldn’t want that as a Raider fan?.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Campbell still doesn’t know how to slide.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
@napoleonkaufman
Serious though! That man Kap is straight BALLIN right now. Wow!!
looks like Mr. Kaufauman has crowned KNAPPY
via twitter
November 19th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Dam!!! Campbell should have slid
November 19th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Da Trinity Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Hey Krappy, so you are saying Campbell is better then Carson. Just admit it cuz it sure sounds like it
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I just posted their records here, Btch.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
JCampbell is NOT sliding on runs. He’s taking the hit. I guess his Oakland slide is still sticking in his craw.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
If Palmer had Hue’s offense to work with again he’d be rockin’.
It takes time to gel.
Palmer’s last game with Hue:
30-42 417 two td’s.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
When you are frustrated and desappointed what do you do?
What shall be done, Well a damb overhaul ,now is the time to
Do it. Start this project before Christmas!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Has Campbell ever taken a team to the playoffs?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
NFL teams needing starting QB next season have crossed out Jason Campbell’s name and written in Alex Smith
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November 19th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
I do miss Bush though
November 19th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Campbell was 12-7. Palmer is 7-13.. Of course Campbell had Hue.
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There you go.
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Via the stats guy Josh Dubuaw on twitter.. Campbell in last 15 starts with #Raiders 10-5; 60.3% completion; 17 TDs, 8INTs, 89.6 passer rating. Thats DA’s fault for choosing KNAPP and changing systems for palmer. his fault for changing the running system. I know its hard for some raider fans to even remember what its like to wins some games though. They wish Palmer was getting wins, but the same thing happened in CINCY.. many of 4-12 seasons. I know he doesnt play D.. but he is not a difference maker.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Only difference THIS TIME is that THIS TIME the HC deserves to get canned.
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Holla!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Coaches dont let Wrs beat them deep
November 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Palmer is just like Jason Campbell. THEY are not difference makers period.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Aldon Smith has four times as many sacks tonight as all the Raiders do last three weeks.
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November 19th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Do we get to see another ex Raider QB now?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
JC looks like he reinjured his collarbone.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
JB Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Rumor has it that Reggie vetoed DOA’s first 5 choices for OC. Too bad it wasn’t 6.
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where you tear this one? I heard on a message board that Reggie wanted Knapp…I heard some guy from TT was Allen’s choice.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Now I feel bad for JC.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit you sad little man I must have really struck a nerve with you…like a good little googler you have spent all night trying desperately to prove your point with twitter quotes like a 13 year old girl.
I had forgot just exactly what it was that offended you so much…not worth my time next tard your up for your beating….
November 19th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Hey Krappy, brave man behind the key board you ho. Maybe when I go back to Oakland for a game we can see if you’ll talk the same chump. Watch your mouth old goat, you might get blood in it. Were Beechy at, I would love to hear him crack some of his jokes about you.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Campbell is done. That didn’t take too long.
He is getting hammered tonight. Same thing could happen tp CP if our team don’t wise up and pull their heads out.
Jusy sayin.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Carson Palmers 2010 stats with TO , OCHOCINCO.. etc
61.8 Completing Percentage
3,970 yards, 26 TD’s, 20 INTS, 82.4 qb Rating
4-12 record
November 19th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Da Trinity Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Hey Krappy, so you are saying Campbell is better then Carson. Just admit it cuz it sure sounds like it
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I just posted their records here, Btch.
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Here’s a record:
Jason Campbell on 3rd down
1nt 3 sacks 1 ff
November 19th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Josh McCown – Bears have reached point desperation. Next up after him (Ta Da drumroll) Jamarcus Russel.
Oh, how the might have fallen.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit you sad little man I must have really struck a nerve with you…like a good little googler you have spent all night trying desperately to prove your point with twitter quotes like a 13 year old girl.
I had forgot just exactly what it was that offended you so much…not worth my time next tard your up for your beating
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honestly i hardly paid attention to u. Just reading the stats guy on twitter. U know the same guy who gives out stats like PFF.. same guy who said Raiders given up most points since PRE AL ERA. If anyone is mad it seems to be you? Always the ones quick to start name calling and get upset. U MAD?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Is Time for OPERATION HEADS WILL ROLL
The sooner the better.No pardons -no excuses.
You mess with AL s RAIDERS – We ll get you.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Campbell is overthrowing everyone.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Da Trinity Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Hey Krappy, brave man behind the key board you ho. Maybe when I go back to Oakland for a game we can see if you’ll talk the same chump. Watch your mouth old goat, you might get blood in it. Were Beechy at, I would love to hear him crack some of his jokes about you.
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Fk you Btch. call me out of my name, I’m going to call you out of yours. Keyboard gangsta.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
The Bears should just stop passing the ball.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Give Campbell some credit for getting up.
Just a sprained pvssy.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Palmer is just like Jason Campbell. THEY are not difference makers period.
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Palmer and Campbell are nothing alike. Palmer is a gunslinger who leads the AFC in passing. He’s on pace for like 4,900+ yards and 27 TDs this season. Campbell is a checkdown passer, backup QB who would give you 3,200 yards and 15 TDs in a good season.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Josh Dubow@JoshDubowAP
#Raiders being outscored by 11.4 ppg this season. The ‘06 Art Shell team outscored by 10.3 ppg
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Truth hurts, especially when its written out for us in plain facts
November 19th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
JB Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Rumor has it that Reggie vetoed DOA’s first 5 choices for OC. Too bad it wasn’t 6.
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where you hear this one? I heard on a message board that Reggie wanted Knapp…I heard some guy from TT was Allen’s choice.
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From an unsubstantiated source. My take is that it’s a rumor at best.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Palmer is just like Jason Campbell. THEY are not difference makers period.
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WRONG.
Palmer has led a bad Bengals team to a 12-4 record as well as 10-6.
HE was the reason they had those records.
He was injured in the 1st quarter on a cheap shot to his ankle by Van Oehlfen of Pittsburgh in the playoffs.
Palmer DID make a difference.
Can u blame Palmer for a guy rolling his ankle?
You guys will.
THIS Raider D is historically bad. No one can deny that and STILL guys blame Palmer.
Tom Brady would’nt win any more games than Palmer is with this team….period.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
looks like theres still one danus allen defender on here…dpeaking of which where is quack?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Was hoping to see Josh. I live in Charlotte, NC. Joshe lives here too. I see him around from time to time. Always talk to him when I see him. Nice guy. Told me his experience as a Raider was “incredible”. Good guy!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
After Norv Turner gets fired, he should be brought in as OC.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Bowman is a beast. But I also notice how his dline keeps him clean
November 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Soup better be getting a bonus hazard pay. He’s getting hammered on every play.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
JC showing some guts there.
Bears DO have a porous line.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Palmer is just like Jason Campbell. THEY are not difference makers period.
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Palmer and Campbell are nothing alike. Palmer is a gunslinger who leads the AFC in passing. He’s on pace for like 4,900+ yards and 27 TDs this season. Campbell is a checkdown passer, backup QB who would give you 3,200 yards and 15 TDs in a good season.
Meaningless stats when team is far far behind. Like John Dickson said, not playing Palmer but he sure lights it up when the RAiders are down big
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
WRONG.
Palmer has led a bad Bengals team to a 12-4 record as well as 10-6.
HE was the reason they had those records.
He was injured in the 1st quarter on a cheap shot to his ankle by Van Oehlfen of Pittsburgh in the playoffs.
Palmer DID make a difference.
Can u blame Palmer for a guy rolling his ankle?
You guys will.
THIS Raider D is historically bad. No one can deny that and STILL guys blame Palmer.
Tom Brady would’nt win any more games than Palmer is with this team….period
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When was that , what year??? almost a decade ago? My goodness
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
oh damnmm i knew it was bad but….
Josh Dubow@JoshDubowAP
#Raiders being outscored by 11.4 ppg this season. The ‘06 Art Shell team outscored by 10.3 ppg
November 19th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
lbert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Campbell is overthrowing everyone. === HE SHOULD USE A SPEAR INSTEAD…HE’D BE MORE ACCURATE I BET!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Dont get me wrong guys.. I just want the Raiders to WIN PERIOD. I dont like the way this franchise is heading .. especially after the last 2 decent years.
Im not a palmer hater, but also not a fan
November 19th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Listen hear boy (Kelly-Krappy) you a chump, I would to put some violent hands on you. But you would just probably call the cops you chump, smack yourself. Smack ur old lady while your at it.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
omoran Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Is Time for OPERATION HEADS WILL ROLL
The sooner the better.No pardons -no excuses.
You mess with AL s RAIDERS – We ll get you.
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OMORAN is back.
You tell ‘em Chief.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Palmer is just like Jason Campbell. THEY are not difference makers period.
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Palmer and Campbell are nothing alike. Palmer is a gunslinger who leads the AFC in passing. He’s on pace for like 4,900+ yards and 27 TDs this season. Campbell is a checkdown passer, backup QB who would give you 3,200 yards and 15 TDs in a good season.
Meaningless stats when team is far far behind. Like John Dickson said, not playing Palmer but he sure lights it up when the RAiders are down big
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Like in the Jacksonville and Pittsburgh games when he brought us back by chucking the ball all over the place late in the game to pull out wins?
Saints game was the only one this season where Palmer compiled significant garbage time numbers to pad his game stats.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
I don’t think it would matter if Cutler was playing tonight. He would be getting killed too.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Old fool kell,..why do you keep calling your blog friends “biches”?…cant you get your point across without resorting to that?…someone needs to remind you you are in your 60`s, not in jr high school. Get a grip old man,…its just football.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
NFL teams needing starting QB next season have crossed out Jason Campbell’s name and written in Alex Smith
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Lol. Vic’s wrong, though. Jason Campbell’s name wasn’t on anyone’s list to begin with.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Palmer is not the problem.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
I don’t think it would matter if Cutler was playing tonight. He would be getting killed too.
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True. Their O-line is as bad as ours.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
wow Jacksonville? fools gold game? I give u Pitt.. but Palmers knock is he always giveth and Takes…
Just like the ATL game.. Just like the Tampa bay game when it was on the line. So for every 1 good game he gives you.. he will take 2 back.
Now giving up a 1 and 2 was way to much for a guy like that. Peyton MANNING YESSS.. CARSON NOOOOO. Raiders got fleeced. But HUE DIDNT care because he was trying to WIN GAMES. I cant fault him for that. He only had 16 games to do it.
DA is gonna get 3 yrs
November 19th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
AWWWW CRAP CAN’T COUNT THIS AS A BABOON LOSS…KAEPERNICK IS A BABOON TOO ~!!!!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Dont get me wrong guys.. I just want the Raiders to WIN PERIOD. I dont like the way this franchise is heading .. especially after the last 2 decent years.
Im not a palmer hater, but also not a fan
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Hey, we’re on the same side. We all want the same thing, we just have differing opinions on how to get there.
Palmer is a very talented QB.
Before pointing at him, look at what he has to work with.
Do u think we have a great receiving corps? How about defense? How about a running game to rely on?
Ask yourself honestly, would Aaron Rodgers or Peyton Manning give us a better record right now with THIS team?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Palmers passing yardage ain’t creating wins. Ain’t converting 3 rd downs, ain’t creating TD’s in the Red Zone.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Now THAT is how it’s done Special Teams. Hoffman, are you paying attention? BTW, why are you still employed?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
oh damnmm i knew it was bad but….
Josh Dubow@JoshDubowAP
#Raiders being outscored by 11.4 ppg this season. The ‘06 Art Shell team outscored by 10.3 ppg
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Shel II must have had more of the “it” factor.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RAIDERNATION – DUDES have you seen the A$$ Wippin those 49rs are
Giving to the RAIDERS (CHICAGO) Well they look like us with CAMPBELL
And everythimg. They look clueless.With their Heads in their A$$!
Imagine that is the sample of ourselves, carbon copy of what we look.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
After Norv Turner gets fired, he should be brought in as OC.
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I would like that but I want Tits gone.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Bush with his 1.? avg yd/carry
November 19th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Alden smith has 4 sacks in one game. does our D even have that many in one game?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Palmer is just like Jason Campbell. THEY are not difference makers period.
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Palmer and Campbell are nothing alike. Palmer is a gunslinger who leads the AFC in passing. He’s on pace for like 4,900+ yards and 27 TDs this season. Campbell is a checkdown passer, backup QB who would give you 3,200 yards and 15 TDs in a good season.
Meaningless stats when team is far far behind. Like John Dickson said, not playing Palmer but he sure lights it up when the RAiders are down big
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The idea that Palmer is simply compiling stats late in blowouts is another of those board/sportswriter myths.
FACT: Palmer has the exact same 1st half and 2nd half QB rating.
FACT: Palmer’s thrown for 1,476 yards in the first half and 1,559 yards in the second half. Hardly a huge disparity.
See for yourself: http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/6337/situational
November 19th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
NORV for OC.. Rome Crennel for DC.
and yes PEYTON would have us at more wins. He would have this offense in sync i believe. He reminds me of GANNON would be yelling at guys.. coaching em up on the sidelines. going over charts, diagrams with them and thats just on gamedays.
DURING THE WEEK.. it would be like ding ding .. CLASS is in SESSION
November 19th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Palmers passing yardage ain’t creating wins. Ain’t converting 3 rd downs, ain’t creating TD’s in the Red Zone.
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His defense, special teams, rbs, recievers and OC aren’t helping him out either.
You view things through a pinhole camera.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
And mistic says JC is a better QB than CP3. Less INT’s? That’s simply not the case. Hopefully we’ve heard the last of the CP3-JC comparisons.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
smh at worse than shell 2 there is no defense for that…
November 19th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Jason Campbell like Carson Palmer – both are spelled INT. And while JC still can’t slide Carson just falls down like a broken puppet.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
When was that , what year??? almost a decade ago? My goodness
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It was the only time Palmer had any semblence of a team behind him. They weren’t great teams, but he had enough to work with so he could at least do something.
That’s my point.
BTW: We’re talking 6 yr’s ago…Not a decade.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Aldon smith shows u.. why we need that top 5 pick and use it on a pass rusher. Von miller shows u that too. DA would love any one of those guys.
DEMANTRE MOORE out of Allens Alma matter Texas AM.. has more sacks and better numbers across the board then any other pass rusher in SEC including MINKO, MOntemery and Jarvis jones.
Id take Jarvis jones, MOORE if he comes out early.. but if not Manti Te’o would be to good to pass up. He has 6 INTS this season
November 19th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Bill Romanowski @billromanowski
Thank God the Raiders got rid of Jason Campbell. They would have been 0-10 this season.
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November 19th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Palmer is LEADING THE AFC in passing. He’s gone over 3,000 yards and has six games left!
The defense is ranked at the very bottom of the league and we’ve given up an average of 45 points over the last three games. Our top-ranked 2011 rushing offense has been averaging 2.something ypc most of this season.
What does the board do? Blame the QB. Naturally.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Jason Campbell like Carson Palmer – both are spelled INT. And while JC still can’t slide Carson just falls down like a broken puppet.
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Hi Mistic. Changed your handle huh?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
*sniff* *sniff*
Did someone f*rt in this blog?
Oh, wait….it was Fang!
November 19th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
and let me ask you.. because believe me this question is already being brought up by the guys that matter like mark davis, reggie etc.
Is carson palmer someone you are gonna build around? or will they just cut their losses and going with a younger guy the offense can grow as one. How long do they see palmer playing for the Raiders? The reason is because a new guy will have to come in 2 yrs from now and it will have to be redone.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Turner for OC & Crennel for DC would be nice, but I why would Payton leave Brees?..I’d welcome Gruden back if those 2 were his coordinators…Still my vote is casted for Shaw
November 19th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Kapy was a better college player than TP, was drafted about 40 spots ahaed of Pryor, and has one of the strongest arms in the world.
Seriously. Was clocked at 97mph in HS.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
What does Romanowski know about football? lol
November 19th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
JB Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
And mistic says JC is a better QB than CP3. Less INT’s? That’s simply not the case. Hopefully we’ve heard the last of the CP3-JC comparisons.
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I would bet that JC would have many less int’s than Palmer.
All it means is Palmer actually tries to make something happen and not checkdown 90% of the time.
JC’s whole modus operandi is trying not to lose the game…instead of going for it and trying to win it.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
I do feel bad for Campbell. As much as I was not a fan of his game, that Bears offensive line is one of the worst in the league. How many times has Cutler been turned into a human pinata the last few years back there?
I think I’d have the Bears as an SB favorite with a healthy Cutler and say a slightly above average o-line. Hard to see them going very far with that unit as-is though.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
where o where are the danus allen lovers?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Bears O-line has been dreadful for years.
Cutler took them to the NFC championship with it. Might do so the same this year.
Great QB’s overcome those things, bad QB’s exasperate them.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Odds Harbaugh calls a fake FG in this spot?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
@298
Was but true. Carson still good in my book. Could due without int’s though.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Bears O-line has been dreadful for years.
Cutler took them to the NFC championship with it. Might do so the same this year.
Great QB’s overcome those things, bad QB’s exasperate them.
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So are you saying Cutler is a great QB?
Was his defense giving up more than 32 ppg as well?
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
RAIDERNATION -Chicago.Bears look like us in Prime time.
I prefer not to see Oakland in this Blown Out cituation!
Campbell looks like Raider Qb Affraid and Intimidated and Throwing himself to the ground like a Hopeless case.
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
nah a team will only fake fg on a coach they dont respect
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
The fact that JC vs. Palmer is even being debated shows the presence of idiocy on this board
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
and why do u guys dislike Jason Campbell so much? what did he ever do to u guys? Everyone here rooting against him.
He actually brought some stability back to the ORG after the JABUST debacle. He did offeseason workouts during a lockout out of his own pocketbook. Was only getting paid 4 million compared to Carson Palmers 13 million.
Many of you guys were saying AL was in cap this and cap that. But he had it figured out. He never spent that money on CARSON.
Thats why we had a guy like wimbley and were probaly gonna pay bush.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Morilla Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Palmers passing yardage ain’t creating wins. Ain’t converting 3 rd downs, ain’t creating TD’s in the Red Zone.
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His defense, special teams, rbs, recievers and OC aren’t helping him out either.
You view things through a pinhole camera.
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Make all the excuses you want. Bree’s has a worse defense.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
http://www.foxsportskansascity.com/11/18/12/Chiefs-fans-wear-black-keep-feeling-blue/landing_chiefs.html?blockID=822391&feedID=5117
Love this quote, albeit from a chief fan….
“It’s just a shame that ‘The Patriot Way’ didn’t work here,” Grannell said. “Ultimately, ‘The Patriot Way’ is stumbling over Tom Brady in the sixth round.”
November 19th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
2013…Gruden HC
Gannon OC
Romoanoski DC
Get Alex Smith as your QB,…get rid of damn near everyone on D,…then the good times return. Reggie McKenzie is just an illiterate big dummy that turned a good job as coffee boy for Wolfe into an GM job.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
@315
Blame Mistic and any other poster who has said Campbell is better then Palmer.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
da trinity Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
@298
Was but true. Carson still good in my book. Could due without int’s though.
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He’s trying to make things happen. Sometimes you’ve gotta live with that. And against the Saints, in the stat sheet he winds up with 2 INTs and you hear that in the media reports and see it on the stat sheet, but the reality is that one of those INTs was a perfectly thrown ball that should’ve been a touchdown pass. Everyone who saw the game knows that. Yet some will still ignore it and cite the 2 INTs on the day to try to make the stats fit their agenda.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Kell,
Our defense is MUCH WORSE than New Orleans.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
knapp butthole surfers jumping ship. DA nutt huggers bailin too. Players don’t buy the halftime coach speak manure. Players are smarter than that, It is evident.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
So are you saying Cutler is a great QB?
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Absolutely.
A break up QB’s in tiers.
Tier 1, Brady, Brees, Manning, Big Ben, Eli, Rodgers. They are elite.
Tier 2, Cutler, Flacco, Ryan. They are great.
Tier 3, Schaub, Stafford, Rivers, Dalton. They are good.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Wow what a play by Willis. You watching Romac
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
DA nutt huggers fewer by the week. Fans matter. Players matter. Players aint buying into coach speak manure. Players haved mailed it in. It’s evident.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
322…its true even last week people were defending this idiot, now….crickets.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Dennis Allen is in way over his head.
Knapp is a disaster.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Soup has that pissing his pants look he had whenever we played a good defense.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Damn, that right tackle just got embarrassed.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
I kind of like the way the raiders outright suck these days, it has several benefits vs.. Previous years of dashes of hope followed by constant let down.
This way I don’t have to watch games
Hope for playoffs only to miss them at the end
Less time and emotion to invest
I can just read about the gadgety after the fact
Go golf or to the beach ..
November 19th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
320,
Someone pointed out Palmer has had THIRTEEN td passes dropped this yr.
I’m not hating on JC, just sick of hearing how we should have kept him going forward.
You’re right about long term with Palmer.
It’s a decision that has to be made.
It seems idiotic that the focus is on him instead of a defense that is literally setting records for futility.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
The fact that JC vs. Palmer is even being debated shows the presence of idiocy on this board
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Thank you.
It’s amazing how many fans watch these games (presumably) and then can’t see the obvious performance difference and it’s like their memories are erased and they can only see the W-L outcome and derive every opinion from that. Obviously Ws and Ls are the most important stat. But you know good play when you see it and comparing Carson Palmer to Jason Campbell is not even close.
There’s a reason one guy cost 1st and 2nd round draft picks and the other cost a 4th rounder two seasons out and was sent by a bitter rival (Shanahan).
November 19th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Players like to look up to and respect brilliant coaches. Gives them hope, direction and opportunity. Not failed pipe dreams and failure set ups with schiitty game plans. Players are smarter than that. The ugly head of piss poor coaching has reared its face and roared. It is plain to see.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
What’s up lamos!!
You know who you are.
You’re the ones that go waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
…the Bengals have moved on with Andy Dalton. But still, that doesn’t stop Marvin Lewis from taking shots at Palmer’s willingness to remain loyal to the team that committed tens of millions of dollars to him.
“At what point did Carson quit?” Lewis asked.. “At some point last year he decided he didn’t want to be here. This didn’t happen at the end of the season. There was a point earlier on when he said, ‘This isn’t the place for me.’”
Or as one unnamed Bengals official told Les Carpenter: “We got rid of all our [expletive].”
10/18/2011: Signed a four-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $7.5 million guaranteed, including all of Palmer’s first-year salary and $5 million of Palmer’s second-year salary. 2012: $825,000 (+ $11.675 million “signing” bonus), 2013: $13 million, 2014: $15 million, 2015-2016: Voidable Years, 2017: Free Agent
That’s what you pay for one INT per game… Mustache is optional!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Players react different to different types of coaching.
That’s why Bill Bellicheck took a team that went 9-7 and than 8-8, to 5-11 his first year.
Takes a few offseasons of player acquisitions to mold the roster to fit the coach.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Oh, hey DJ and Chris!
What’s the latest?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Allen is the Head coach it is the Defensive Co who is Guilty.
It is the Offensive Co who is the Lame Duck.
Oh believe me Allen looks like he will get it done. He is exsactly like the Dolphins coach -he nearly got it turn around.
We need an overhaul and give him New Guys and new Blood.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
I bet Campbell didn’t think he would have a worse performance than he did in that Raiders/49er game.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
You think the Saints looked good yesterday?….wait til they have to play the Niners next week,…Niners hurt them in the process of crushing them 45-10. The Niners are a bad asss football team, the Raiders just a team that doesnt try, have zero pride, just interested in a paycheck. DMC is pure cancer, McLain should be out of the league with Jamarcus,..Seymour was past it while still in New England,…Reggie McKenzie is a total loser, illiterate and stupid,…his next job is at Niners HQ,..janitor,..so at least he and old kell will have something in common.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Palmer, Jano, and Reece are our 3 best players. Not counting DMAC cuz of injuries. Any disputes?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Palmer has a poor support team of coaches. They’ve set up the entire team to fail with poor game planning, and a playbook maybe high school football could get. JV for sure, but not Varsity.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Campbell and bush getting wacked! Talent an issue with our past and present!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Bengals fans were jumping for joy to get rid of Palmer..
November 19th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Oh, hey DJ and Chris!
What’s the latest?
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Long time no see Saint.
I’m having a Raider meltdown.
I’ll be fine. Lol.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Bill Romanowski @billromanowski
Thank God the Raiders got rid of Jason Campbell. They would have been 0-10 this season.
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November 19th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Palmer, Jano, and Reece are our 3 best players. Not counting DMAC cuz of injuries. Any disputes?
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You forgot Condo
November 19th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
I did say HUE JACKSON should have been retained for another year.
CARSON/ DMAC/ HUE JAX would have been the most explosive offenses in the NFL. EVEN GOODSON would have been good for HUEY.
y ?? Cuz he knows how to use his players. FACCCCK
November 19th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
danus allen wanted to cry at the press conference…
November 19th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
So are you saying Cutler is a great QB?
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Absolutely.
A break up QB’s in tiers.
Tier 1, Brady, Brees, Manning, Big Ben, Eli, Rodgers. They are elite.
Tier 2, Cutler, Flacco, Ryan. They are great.
Tier 3, Schaub, Stafford, Rivers, Dalton. They are good.
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I would not quite put Eli or Big Ben in the first tier.
Tier 1 > Rodgers, Peyton, Brady, Brees
Tier 2 > Eli, Roethlisberger
Tier 3 > Palmer, Romo, Stafford, Luck, RGIII, Ryan, Schaub
Tier 4 > Cutler, Rivers, Flacco, Dalton, Freeman
November 19th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
@ 332.
Indeed. W/L is a stat popularized by the media. It only tells part of the picture. Football is the ultimate team game, won and lost by teams, not dominant individuals. Every great QB has had a good OL to give him time, and dependable WR’s. The overuse of the W/L metric for QB’s really annoys me.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
lol schaub tier 3…please
November 19th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Bengals fans were jumping for joy to get rid of Palmer..
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I thought you said you weren’t a Palmer hater?
When he left, they weren’t jumping for joy.
They were mad they lost the one player that was able to give them any hope for so many years.
NOW, they are happy when they see the Raiders record and where they are at with Dalton.
Compare the defenses. Benglas 100% better.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
JONTRAIN Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
@ 332.
Indeed. W/L is a stat popularized by the media. It only tells part of the picture. Football is the ultimate team game, won and lost by teams, not dominant individuals. Every great QB has had a good OL to give him time, and dependable WR’s. The overuse of the W/L metric for QB’s really annoys me.
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Lol.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
That’s just messed up DJ.
WTF happened?? Where did it go?? Is this like the curse of Gruden or something?
Watching these games is like being hooked up to an electric chair with free beer. I hate the chair, but I love the beer! Don’t know how many times I was caught with a blank stare on my face just saying, ‘wow’ during that game. It’s getting tough man.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
@347
LOL!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
RAIDERNATION -Why can’t we give a Blow Out? A 42- 16 .
Why are we allways playing from Behind and when we lead is by the
3 Point Stupid Pattern! Raiders 3 -Ravens 0
November 19th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Im not a palmer hater.. I read their message boards though.. the day of the Trade. I wanted to see what they said. They said he put up alot of meaningless stats with INTs to boot.
Also they were probaly salty he quit on their team though.
They got a 1 and 2 and went to the playoffs last year..
They got andy dalton and AJ green . not off our trade but still.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
So are you saying Cutler is a great QB?
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Absolutely.
A break up QB’s in tiers.
Tier 1, Brady, Brees, Manning, Big Ben, Eli, Rodgers. They are elite.
Tier 2, Cutler, Flacco, Ryan. They are great.
Tier 3, Schaub, Stafford, Rivers, Dalton. They are good.
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I haven’t seen anything from Cutler that suggests he is any better than Palmer. He has the same INT problems that Palmer has.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Fellas,
What’s the point in talking about the offense? Have you seen the defense?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Look at the niners. That’s what paying for a real coaching gets you. Note that Harbough knew Tarver and left him behind.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Tebow got to the 2nd round of the playoffs last year
Vince Young is something like 19-11 as a starter
Yet they are both sub par QB’s
November 19th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Tier 3 > Palmer, Romo, Stafford, Luck, RGIII, Ryan, Schaub
Tier 4 > Cutler, Rivers, Flacco, Dalton, Freeman
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I can’t put rookies and guys who haven’t won a playoff game (Palmer and Ryan) over guys who have went to conference championship games (Cutler/Flacco).
But it is a fun debate. Nobody is right, nobody is wrong, it is all opinion.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Tebow is a heisman winner and National Chamionship winner.. just a winner period.
Him and Palmer will be out those heisman for years to come.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
BTW, for all of those H Jackson woulda coulda shoulda’s out there, we are 1.5 pts less per game then we were last year.
Based on the games that I have seen, 10.5 ppg wouldn’t matter. Just sayin…
November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
what has schaub won?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Players react different to different types of coaching.
That’s why Bill Bellicheck took a team that went 9-7 and than 8-8, to 5-11 his first year.
Takes a few offseasons of player acquisitions to mold the roster to fit the coach.
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How many elite defenses and Super Bowl teams had Belichick coached before he became Pats coach?
How does his pre-Pats resume stack up with DA’s one season as defensive coordinator of the 20th-ranked unit?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I wouldnt mind bring Tebow to play running back/ Hybrid like Reece. Another quality guy who will give u everything.
Maybe a Aslott, Riggins type???
November 19th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
was that a krapp call?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
RAIDERNATION –We have The Knapp Syndrom! Raiders 3 vs 0 .
We don’t have ROMNESIA – we have KNAPPNISSIA!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Fellas,
What’s the point in talking about the offense? Have you seen the defense?
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Our fellow bloggers are choosing to ignore that at the present time.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=105020
btw here is a thread about palmer game on sunday lol. They salty
November 19th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Put it up earlier today for your viewing pleasure.
We currently have the worst ppg defense since the 2008 0-16 Lions, and it’s only better by 0.1 ppg!! No one is even close in the last 10 years.
Leave the offense alone.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Bill Romanowski @billromanowski
Thank God the Raiders got rid of Jason Campbell. They would have been 0-10 this season.
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Romo knows.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
and da is a defensive coach, lol
November 19th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Is Soup still in the game?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Tebow is a heisman winner and National Chamionship winner.. just a winner period.
Him and Palmer will be out those heisman for years to come.
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Huh? I’m not sure exactly what point you are attempting to make, but the Heisman is where the similarities stop between those two QB’s
Tebow is a winner, period. Yeah Ok. You may have a future as a mindless talking head on BSPN.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
bottom line. Raiders are a mess.
I just want them to win. Is that so hard? apprently it is.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
I did say HUE JACKSON should have been retained for another year.
CARSON/ DMAC/ HUE JAX would have been the most explosive offenses in the NFL. EVEN GOODSON would have been good for HUEY.
y ?? Cuz he knows how to use his players. FACCCCK
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Raider players need to rally around Hue before and after the game. Send a message to Mark and Reggie, DA and knapp. Players are not stupid.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
How many elite defenses and Super Bowl teams had Belichick coached before he became Pats coach?
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Bellicheck as assistant = 2 Super Bowls in 22 years
DA as an assistant = 1 Super Bowl in 8 seasons
November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Oh i forgot Tebow isnt a winner carry on. He isnt qualified to carry Palmers cleats. Is that what u wanted to hear? carry on.
Palmer is superior pocket passer and superior Qb. Happy now??
November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Greg Knapp @Gknapp_75
This dude keeps tweeting me about the Raiders because he thinks I’m the offensive coordinator whose name is Greg Knapp…. #oldpeople
Followed by Michael Kelly
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LMAO
November 19th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Big dummy reggie will make sweeping cuts the night of the charger loss,…McLain,..Seymour,…Mitchell…and the first will be Pryor,…even reggie, as stupid as he is, can see Pryor isnt a qb, or even a wr in the nfl,…he cant even beat out Leinart in Napa.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Tonight should put an end to the lunacy of Campbell apologists, but the thing about lunacy is that facts don’t matter.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
“I’m frustrated. I’m disappointed. You wake up in the morning and your gut hurts.
I could imagine how Reggie’s gut feels.
Poor guy has probably taken a jar full of tums
November 19th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I wouldnt mind bring Tebow to play running back/ Hybrid like Reece. Another quality guy who will give u everything.
Maybe a Aslott, Riggins type???
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We already have one of those. His name is Marcel Reece.
Alstott, Riggins???? LOL!!!! Tebow has shown ZERO ability at the RB position.
Your’e killing me. Keep em coming though I haven’t laughed so hard in awhile
November 19th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
In Palmer’s defense(i know that’s popular round here), the dude had to endure Chad Johnson, Terrell Owens and Chris Henry every morning.
Ughh!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
I have being saying this since the offseason: FIRE KNAPP!!!! ASAP!!!!
But that numbskull never listened. Now his head may be on the chopping block.
The problem with this team is hardly talent. They have, or had in some cases, the talent to compete. The problem is the coaching staff: OC, Asst.OL, ST, DC and you can’t discard HC because HE MADE THESE AWFUL CHOICES!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
The Jason Campbell debate era has ended.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
How many elite defenses and Super Bowl teams had Belichick coached before he became Pats coach?
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Bellicheck as assistant = 2 Super Bowls in 22 years
DA as an assistant = 1 Super Bowl in 8 seasons
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LMAO. You cannot be serious with that!
Belichick was the mastermind DC of a pair of Super Bowl winners and I believe went to a 3rd as DC. Allen was a friggin defensive backs coach.
No comparison.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Oh i forgot Tebow isnt a winner carry on. He isnt qualified to carry Palmers cleats. Is that what u wanted to hear? carry on.
Palmer is superior pocket passer and superior Qb. Happy now??
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Actually yes.. now you are somewhere close to the truth. I feel better now.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
There is hope,..I firmly believe we go 3-13.,…and maybe thats all it will take for Mark to can big dummy and Allen and the rest. Bring Jon in at any price.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
SaintKaufman Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
In Palmer’s defense(i know that’s popular round here), the dude had to endure Chad Johnson, Terrell Owens and Chris Henry every morning.
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And now knapp.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
If Al wanted Kap, he would have found a way to get him. He got DHB when he wanted, didn’t he. The guy was such a decrepit fool the last 10 years!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
#393
LOL!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
need to get rid of all the coaches, all the scrubs reggie brought in and start bringing talent back…get a coach who can use them the right way…
November 19th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
WE HAVE KNAPPNISIA -The avility to score 3 Pt on first drives and never in The Red Zone.
Get blown out by other teams by x twice the Score 38-17.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
The Jason Campbell debate era has ended.
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Hear that Mistic? Ha ha ha ha ha!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
DA nutt huggers are desperate. Not many left tho. Jump the DA nutt hugging ship. It is clear. knapp butthole surfers have all bailed. Just a few DA nutt huggers left.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
al didnt anticipate the whiners jumping up…slipped on that one…
November 19th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Terrapin,
I think we got it bud.
If we get rid of Knapp then we score 32 pts PPG and lose by 3 every week.
Thanks man.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Reg hasn’t done anything to get fired (assuming that it was MArk who really fired Hue)
D.A.? Tough call. He needs to throw all 3 coordinators under the bus to buy another year of faith from Reg and Mark
November 19th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
And some of you talking about trade DMC are fools! Why would you trade your BEST player?? Because he’s not a “system fit”? Look at the damn system man, it fuk’n stinks, and worse, its badly coached!!! Why would you want to keep that over one of the best players in the league??
The choice is clear if you ask me. Get rid of these bums coaching the team. Thats the source of all the stink!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Read where Mark Davis is pulling out the overhead projector but not to fire coaches for cause, cause their fake, no. He’s pulling it out so he can throw it at one of them now that his back is feeling better, he can do that.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
You asked the question, I gave you the answer.
No I don’t think they are the same, but Bellicheck had spent 10 years as an assistant before, even getting a DC job. 12 years before his first Super Bowl.
DA hasn’t even coached 10 years yet.
And I wouldn’t diminish a DB coach that wins a Super Bowl picking off Peyton Manning to win the Super Bowl.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
DMC isnt our best player,..hes pure cancer,..damn good at faking injuries though.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
D.A.? Tough call. He needs to throw all 3 coordinators under the bus to buy another year of faith from Reg and Mark
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Sounds fair enough.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
This is one of if not THE worst coaching staffs in the league. I cant think of ONE area of sunshine. Its that bad.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
McFadden is MAYBE the 4th best back in the AFC West.
1 good season out of 5.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Oh. Willie Brown’s still here. Thats one.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
reg hired da! nothing? brought bums like burris, briesel, hanson, lee, adams, bartell, spencer the list goes on and on….
November 19th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
This is one of if not THE worst coaching staffs in the league. I cant think of ONE area of sunshine. Its that bad.
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True. Sad, but true.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
DMC is a piece of glass, like Jason Campbell. We are tired of those kinds of players! We need young players with good feet!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Who is Hanson & Lee? Do those guys play for us? I cant recall …never see those names on the field. lol.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
DA is 40 years old, already a Super Bowl winner as an assistant, a playoff winner as a DC and a HC.
Bellicheck had NONE of that accomplished at 40 years old.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Palmer will want to beat the Bengals. He may do it in spite of knapp and DA.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
http://boards.bengals.com/showthread.php?t=105020
btw here is a thread about palmer game on sunday lol. They salty
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I’ll pass, but thanks.
If they are blaming him for giving up record setting points on defense than they are just as narrow minded as alot of guys on here.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Oopps …bartell and spenser …meant those two bums ..see how easy it is to forget ppl who dont play?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Way to go Vegas,..lets compare DA to BB,…well you can, we wont.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
a super bowl winner as an assistant? lol…so is the equipment manager…
November 19th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Way to go Vegas,..lets compare DA to BB,…well you can, we wont.
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Just comparing their resumes at the same stage in their lives.
You know, factual stuff.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
hey but they help in special teams…oh we had two run backs where the runner isnt even touched..,
November 19th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Just just your clap trap Vegas,…youre in idiot and always have been.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
DA is 40 years old, already a Super Bowl winner as an assistant, a playoff winner as a DC and a HC.
Bellicheck had NONE of that accomplished at 40 years old.
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And DAs greatness proceeded to hire Greg Fukn Knapp as OC (after already failed here), a bum ST coach and what turning out to be another bum DC. Oh but that guy DA, he’s so awesome.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
EXCUSES-EXCUSES -EXCUSES
Finger Pointing and its this Guy or the otber!
We can’t score enough points!
And we allow to many points!
Defense – is Tire and The Tongue is Out with BAD BREATH !!
Offense- is Nervous and Reckless,Butterfingers!
Answer -THEY LOOK LIKE THE CAT THAT ATE THE CANARY!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
reg hired da! nothing? brought bums like burris, briesel, hanson, lee, adams, bartell, spencer the list goes on and on….
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i feel you on adams. but think about the guys that those players you mentioned replaced.
bartell and spencer were better players than routt and CJ
burris is developing he will be fine
brisiel was brought in for the zbs. that’s on knapp and DA.
these bums were a little better than the bums they replaced…not to mention no cap space and no draft picks in 1st two rounds.
what other coach and/or players were even available? Reg inherited a mess once Hue was fired. I don’t envy the position he was put in. Letting go of Routt CJ Wimbley and Bush were ALL smart moves.
Hiring D.A.? Ehhhhhh…..
November 19th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Yeah a Super bowl winner as a secondary coach.
Same as Mike Tomlin. Ever heard of him?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
The Jason Campbell debate era has ended.
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Here lies the
CARSON PALMER v. JASON CAMPBELL DEBATE
{Oct. 18, 2011 – Nov. 19, 2012}
Rest in Peace
November 19th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
DA is looking real stupid right now. He hired a bunch of bunk buddies. They all stink, but they’re his friends. He’s hesitant to do what needs to be done, like fire Krappy to start. And we are suffering because of it.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
This is one of if not THE worst coaching staffs in the league. I cant think of ONE area of sunshine. Its that bad.
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True. Sad, but true.
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There is a little glimmer of hope in that things look so bad…they see that they have to fix it.
No more “stay the course” b.s anymore like we’ve been hearing.
Change is coming…with players and more.
THAT to me is reason for some hope.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
This is one of if not THE worst coaching staffs in the league. I cant think of ONE area of sunshine. Its that bad.
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They’re absolutely lost in 1st & goal situations. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that problem before.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
omoran Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
EXCUSES-EXCUSES -EXCUSES
Finger Pointing and its this Guy or the otber!
We can’t score enough points!
And we allow to many points!
Defense – is Tire and The Tongue is Out with BAD BREATH !!
Offense- is Nervous and Reckless,Butterfingers!
Answer -THEY LOOK LIKE THE CAT THAT ATE THE CANARY!
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Omoran…BRINGIN’ IT!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
sorry but no way are bartell and spencer better than cj, dvd and routt no way….look at the blowout losses…burris has been getting blown up every week, reggie okd briesel…player acquisition is all on reggie…fails.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
This is one of if not THE worst coaching staffs in the league. I cant think of ONE area of sunshine. Its that bad.
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They’re absolutely lost in 1st & goal situations. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that problem before.
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And leave it up to Krappy to run his fav zone stretch at the goaline because we must play the system at all cost of pure logic and EVIDENCE THAT IT DOES NOT WORK HERE!!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Old man kell,..unless you post a link we dont believe you,..actually even with the link we dont believe you. Youre just an old man battling senility.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Whats the connection between DA and Knapp? Were they together in ATL? Just trying to understand where the hell that hire came from
November 19th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Just just your clap trap Vegas,…youre in idiot and always have been.
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Booze and pills…..bro…..I’m cool…..can’t spell or use grammar…..see us in A lot….it’s cool….hard rock and rap…….trolling on twitter…..lying on a message board about my job……..please look at me…….going to lie about putting up a sign for the 20th time….lying is cool…..going to lie about where the team plays…..to get people to look at me……
November 19th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
DA is 40 years old, already a Super Bowl winner as an assistant, a playoff winner as a DC and a HC.
Bellicheck had NONE of that accomplished at 40 years old.
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OK. I get it. I’ve been trolled. Well played, sir.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
TO REGGIE – ALLEN – Mr. Davis:- RAIDERS LOOK LIKE THE CAT
THAT ATE THE CANARY!
Tell them -CORK!
November 19th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
I put a banner up ever game in my row 1 seats,…so theres another strike on you,..try harder loser.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Someone please get word to Mark D that Krappy and the other gones have to go. They are taking this Raiders team down hard and killing player careers.
Krappy is so damn single-minded. He ran Reece in the ground last week. He has ZERO imagination or thought to mount a multiple back threat …or a multiple player threat for that matter. He uses a couple of players all damn game, especially in the running game. The guy is freakin awful. He has the horses but don’t know how to ride.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Old man kell,..unless you post a link we dont believe you,..actually even with the link we dont believe you. Youre just an old man battling senility.
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Who cares what you believe, Btch? Seriously?
November 19th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Terrapin,…his so called horses like DMC are faking injuries.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Put up banners….it’s cool….never what I say it will be…..lying is cool….booze and pills and poodles…………going to bet $20 on the Super Bowl…..look at me……call Gary, it’s cool……
November 19th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Im at every game old man kell,…youre not,…youre too busy serching the web for links that never prove your point.
November 19th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
sorry but no way are bartell and spencer better than cj, dvd and routt no way….look at the blowout losses…burris has been getting blown up every week, reggie okd briesel…player acquisition is all on reggie…fails.
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How quickly you forget how stunningly bad Routt and CJ were…for SO many years..SMH…You can’t be serious…You are aware that none of those CBs are starters in the league now, right? Routt doesn’t even have a team. Neither did CJ til 6 days ago. Try again.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
As usual vegas, you cant get over me, remember everything I say,..its flattering,..but once again, you never cross my mind. You are easily exposed dude, you just make this too dang easy.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Ran Reece into the ground last week like Reece is the only player we have, the only hope we have. THAT – after not playing Reece for weeks because he didn’t know how to incorporate him.
Oh, but thats not a “system fit” I forgot. So lets trade Reece away too for Knapp’s great “system”. All praise “the system”
November 19th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
But like all here vegas, you are welcome to our tailgate,..me, brien, thec,..hawaiin dude,..all of you are welcome,..pop on by.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
It’s not hard to remember the stupidest things you read.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Im at every game old man kell,…youre not,…youre too busy serching the web for links that never prove your point.
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Btch, I don’t care how many games you claim to be at. Dumb Btch.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I’ll pass, thanks for the invite
November 19th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
ND #1!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Well me and brien, thec,..hawaiin dude,..we are at them all,…and we come from a great distance to be there,..odd how the one guy whos closest doesnt attend the games,…when they leave for LA, look in the mirror old man, it will be on you.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Bring back hope. Bring back Jon Gruden!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Outtro …p.s. Mark Davis please override this lunacy in Oakland …put Reggie on notice and fire the whole damn lot ..bring back Hue or someone better.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Funny how old man kell resorts to cussing to get his point across,..still suffering from angry old man desease.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
RAIDERNATION — Its- HEADS WILL ROLL MONTH! !!
Guilty — KNAPP ,TARVER
GUITY PLAYERS — McLain ,Adam ect.
ACTION REQUESTED -OUT OUT
November 19th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Funny how old man kell resorts to cussing to get his point across,..still suffering from angry old man desease.
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Yeah, I’ll curse a dumb Btch like you.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Jason Campbell stinks…Palmer trade validated, end of story.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Old man, when you cuss at me, or others we just laugh at you. We love seeing you frustrated and mad,…makes our day. Keep it coming.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Mike Bush was taking plays from Marcel Reece…glad he’s gone.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
J. Campbell 14/22 107 1 TD 2 INT
Wow we lost such a talent!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
“Jason Campbell stinks…Palmer trade validated, end of story.”
THE END!!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Whatever, Boob Johnson.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Hue Jax’s stock has to be soaring right now.
Raiders are a 3-7 mess getting blown out every week after Hue had them at 8-8 despite all sorts of chaos.
Now watching that Hue had a Jason Campbell QB’d team at 4-2 at one point last season?
Hue should have some offers for 2013. I realize that some folks will write him off because he’s a bit of a live wire and doesn’t fall into the DA coachspeaking drone act, but there should be a couple of teams out there that are more interested in winning. At minimum I would suspect he’s somebody’s OC.
I know Dallas will go for a more high profile guy, but I think Hue could work wonders down there.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
What a clown show this would have been if JC was still a Raider…the 0-16 Lions would have beaten us. Art Shell’s Ben & Breakfast team would have beaten us by 2 TD’s.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
“Here lies the
CARSON PALMER v. JASON CAMPBELL DEBATE
{Oct. 18, 2011 – Nov. 19, 2012}
Rest in Peace”
LOL
November 19th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Silence is golden. It’s also the sound of Campbell supporters after tonight’s game.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Chris In NY
Word on the street is Hue Jackson is Cal’s next head coach.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Aw come on old fool kell,…you really let this team bother you tha tmuch?…you dont even go to games,…why is it so important to you?
November 19th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
J. Campbell 14/22 107 1 TD 2 INT
Wow we lost such a talent!
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It was actually worse than that. A chunk of yards and the TD only came after a bogus “pushing” penalty was called after Campbell fumbled on a 3rd down sack.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Campbell looked like a statue out there. He can’t move at all! He let a rookie make him look like a USFL QB!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
jackasspuria Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Chris In NY
Word on the street is Hue Jackson is Cal’s next head coach.
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Interesting. Good for him, if it’s true. He deserves a decent job after getting the rug pulled out from under him after one 8-8 season as an NFL HC.
Is Mike Silver calling the shots at Cal?
November 19th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Aw come on old fool kell,…you really let this team bother you tha tmuch?…you dont even go to games,…why is it so important to you?
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You don’t know what I do Btch.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Hue would be Dallas’ resurrection. I think most ppl are coming around to realizing our problem is the coaching staff. Sure we will always need to replace players – thats the game – but its this coaching staff thats really holding this team back.
I mean everything has been assinine. Hiring Gregg Knapp to install an offense that DID NOT need to be fixed. Firing the OL coordinator that did a tremendous job the prior year. So on and so forth. Its been a complete mess of management.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
BSPN reporting Aldon Smith has more sacks than Jaguars & Raiders combined….sad glaring stat right there.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
We have only had 4 Head Coaches that got the team to Super Bowls. This is not rocket science. There are winners and there are losers. Mark Davis, bring in a winner and bring back Jon Gruden!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
obviously DA needs to be paired up again with TIM TEBOW.
TIM TEBOW Qb.
DENNIS ALLEN = Playoffs.
Tebow controls the game with the run. REGGIE MAKE IT HAPPEN
November 19th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
476, Totally disagree. We do not have one guy on defense that could start for the 49ers. The talent is horrible. This franchise has very little talent.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
“What a clown show this would have been if JC was still a Raider…the 0-16 Lions would have beaten us. Art Shell’s Ben & Breakfast team would have beaten us by 2 TD’s.”
I have to agree here 100%
November 19th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Just remember one thing old man, when the Raiders move to LA and Mark says the reason was not enough local support, hes referring to you. Take care old timer.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
RAIDERNATION–As your member since (1967)
REQUESTING- RAIDERS SLIGHT UNIFORM CHANGE,
Same Black Color but (7) ANGEL colors Stripes on Helmet and Pants!
Reason : Rdvelation -To Clean all The Wrong Doing and Hurting
They have Done in the EVIL BLACK COLOR!
RESULTS–When its done OAKLAND will Win again 2015
GOD
November 19th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Maybe a change of pace is what Andy Reid needs….get canned in Phili come west and build a winner in Oakland…
November 19th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
ok Andy reid would be interesting.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
“It isn’t the most talented teams that win in this league, it’s the teams that do everything right over and over and over again,” Seymour said. “We’ve been inconsistent at times, offense, defense and special teams. Any time that happens, the record speaks for itself.”
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You actually have to have talent to do those things.
Will be happy to see this colossal washed up has been mistake be shown the door in about a month.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Mike Holmgren is a native Bay Area guy got his start here under Bill Walsh he is losing his GM gig in Cleveland he said he would coach again lets bring the Walrus back home.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Plaxico good enough for Pittsburgh but not our Raiders.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
if you guys are going to talk about Gruden I might as well throw some other names out there.
Maybe we are conditioned as Raider fans to expect a new Head Coach every year shm
DA is not going anywhere folks
November 19th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Palmer think we can win out go 9-7 and division is still wide open.
I love palmers heart, but I wish though.
If denver wins sun and the raiders lose.. Denver will have already locked up the division.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Gruden is going to University of Tennessee. Done deal.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Yeah… Jason Campbell really showed the Raiders tonight.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
boss01 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
BSPN reporting Aldon Smith has more sacks than Jaguars & Raiders combined….sad glaring stat right there.
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I have been saying that all year. Now you know why the Jags and Raiders are a combined 4-16.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Gruden is going to University of Tennessee. Done deal.
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The Vol boards have been saying this for months but nothing substantive has been reported from anyone credible.
Have u heard something new?
November 19th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
“Here lies the
CARSON PALMER v. JASON CAMPBELL DEBATE
{Oct. 18, 2011 – Nov. 19, 2012}
Rest in Peace”
LOL
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All that needs to be said on the subject.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
How in the world did D.Allen convince Reggie mc he was a leader. You look at Allen and the first impression is wimp ! You watch him lead and coach and the first thing you think, is clueless in over his head.
Reggie Mc had to be loaded aka high when he hired that scrub, and believing he found a winner in Allen.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Have u heard something new?
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No one is going to say anything midway thru the college season but let’s just say the college season is winding down and there might be some activity and announcements sooner rather than later.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Rick Reilly is the worst.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
boss01 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
BSPN reporting Aldon Smith has more sacks than Jaguars & Raiders combined….sad glaring stat right there.
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I have been saying that all year. Now you know why the Jags and Raiders are a combined 4-16.
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This is on Reggie (and DA and Tarver). How you think you can field a team in today’s NFL without one legitimate, even situational pass rusher is mind boggling.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Andy Reid is a loser; Mike Holmgren is a winner!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
I am seriously not reupping my season tickets. Send a message to the team if you are a season ticket holder. Do not buy tickets unless you see a real coaching staff and a really quality draft and free agent pickups. As of right now, I am not sold on the future of the Oakland Raiders! Fed up with the garbage I have seen the past 10 seasons!
November 19th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Meanwhile Feet of Clay Campbell sacked 5 times with 3 turnovers and a safety tonight….but he did great things with the Raiders, I’m sure if he hadn’t got hurt, he would have led us straight to the SB.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
This is on Reggie (and DA and Tarver). How you think you can field a team in today’s NFL without one legitimate, even situational pass rusher is mind boggling.
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How can anyone field a team who consistently breaks down at the 1 yd line?
November 19th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Did you guys see that 9ers Oline they punished chi up front, thats why we need to draft oline, 9ers have their oline running at a high octane level, I know you guys think they are so good because of their D but if it werent for that oline their running game wouldnt be as good and there qb would be getting killed which leads to that D being on the field the whole game and being tired out by the fourth and ultimately losing the game which used to happen just 2 short years ago. RAIDERS NEED OLINE , WE NEED BEAST UP FRONT.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Wondering why this Guy did not make another Raider Rant Video after yesterdays embarrassing performance by our beloved Raiders
http://youtu.be/4ckd45q6dYs <~~~~~~~~~~~ Watch and share
this guy held nothing back Classic. Said everything I would have said.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Beasts Olineman don’t play ZBS.
November 19th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I see Mistic is nowhere to be found,LOL he new he would have his ass handed to him if he would have showed up here after that perfomance by his boy JC.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Imagine getting Rid of 1/2 of these Bad Players and Bring Gruden!
Remove Tarver and Knapp and get Al Saunder (35) per game Ofense
KEEPING REGGIE Gm and Allen Defensive Co.
Going to the NFL DRAFT with all these guys and what we have.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Like Reggie says.. we need way more DEP
November 19th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
What’s up with Whiners lovefest today ,starting with Mr. Whiner him self JONGRUDEN2013 aka MR
November 19th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
And when is the HOF ceremony held for New Whiners QB??
November 19th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I believe in Reggie. DA not so much.. and KNAPP ZERO
November 19th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
This is on Reggie (and DA and Tarver). How you think you can field a team in today’s NFL without one legitimate, even situational pass rusher is mind boggling.
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How can anyone field a team who consistently breaks down at the 1 yd line?
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The 1st and goal play call from the 1 was mind boggling. Reece was running well and we go witha rollout. We ended up scoring on the play but the crowd was holding its breath. The guy next to to the right turned to me and said “that was an INT waiting to happen”. I agreed.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
RAIDERNATION – Dudes don’t you think that if gave GRUDEN REAL BIG CASH–Like the Lakers –Phil Jackson.
CHUCKY WILL TAKE THE KNIFE OUT OF CLOSET AND SING
“TURN OF THE LIGHT THE PARTY IS OVER ”
All good things must come to an end.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Where is Mistic ?? Yeah JC sure was the reason we won all those games ? Wtf only 105 yards ? Which comes down to 58 after taking the sacks into account , even with a #1 WR?? Yeah he sure opened all those running lanes due to the fear he put into Whiners D, I’m not even goin to rub your face in cow dung any further , if you real you would never show up for atleast couple of weeks and admit that CP Is better even if you don’t like him
November 19th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Soup should be getting combat pay. That man took lickens and kept ticken. The Raiders should not watch last weeks film; they should watch the 49er team. Gosh.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
What’s up with Whiners lovefest today ,starting with Mr. Whiner him self JONGRUDEN2013 aka MR
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I don’t think that’s MR.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Did Gruden ever really led a young rebuilding team to playoffs or was it always ultra-talented teams that were underachieving with other coaching staffs or great D’s built under great DcO monte kiffin and the o just needed sum O guy to play it safe all game , for example Whiners team under John Harbaugh
November 19th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
What’s up with Whiners lovefest today ,starting with Mr. Whiner him self JONGRUDEN2013 aka MR
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I don’t think that’s MR.
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You should check out last Sundays post whenWhiners were playing the Rams , He was here laughing At us Raiders fans and saying Go Whiners
November 19th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Did Gruden ever really led a young rebuilding team to playoffs or was it always ultra-talented teams that were underachieving with other coaching staffs or great D’s built under great DcO monte kiffin and the o just needed sum O guy to play it safe all game , for example Whiners team under John Harbaugh
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Gruden had more success than any other coach we’ve had since him. Let’s just leave it at that. lol
November 19th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Whiners are at the same level Raiders were at when steelers were kicking ass , no way this team ever beats NyG or Packers, even NO is looking for a payback , they ain’t going anywhere
November 19th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Chucky is waiting for Reggie and Davis he said he will clean the
KNIFE with his mouth !
REGGIE what are you waiting for, the years Lost and they are not going to get better.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
What’s up with Whiners lovefest today ,starting with Mr. Whiner him self JONGRUDEN2013 aka MR
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I don’t think that’s MR.
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You should check out last Sundays post whenWhiners were playing the Rams , He was here laughing At us Raiders fans and saying Go Whiners
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Pretty sure that’s Norco Bob, aka Amysincharge.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Here’s how it went down:
Mark: Reggie, sorry but I spent all the money on that interception machine Palmer. That a hole Hue talked me into it. Fire him and get the cheapest coaches you can find.
Reggie: Sure thing boss but Winston won’t come for nothing.
Mark: No worries we just say we believe in Palmer and go as cheap as we can.
Reggie: ok boss – how bout I fire our 30 year old scouts and get my brother who been teaching social studies to high schoolers?
Mark: Brilliant!
Reggie: And my friend Joey Clinkscales too. The three of us will just work for food but we do eat a lot!
Mark: True true … So you also need to get some cheap skinny little coaches to offset the weight penalty when flying.
Reggie: sure thing boss
November 19th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Did Gruden ever really led a young rebuilding team to playoffs or was it always ultra-talented teams that were underachieving with other coaching staffs or great D’s built under great DcO monte kiffin and the o just needed sum O guy to play it safe all game , for example Whiners team under John Harbaugh
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Gruden had more success than any other coach we’ve had since him. Let’s just leave it at that. lol
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I also want to say he’s really responsible for this mess too , same with TB , you guys know we only had 2 seasons under 7 wins dating back to 76 before gruden took over?? There wasn’t 1 draft pick we could rely on after all his veterans got long in the tooth or retired … The real question. Is. Did he led rebuilding team to playoffs or underachieving team ,that had likes of T Brown C Woodsoon ,great O line ,Great secondary
November 19th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Mcfadden20 – MR went from a major Al Davis hater to the very polar opposite, a Reggie apologist. He is full bore behind the new reggime, whereas Bob is very critical of it and a noted Gruden campaigner.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
The thing is perfect, young guys get along with young coaches , Gruden got along with veteran players , but it was his downfall in a way , not 1 notable draft pick in both of his tenures at oak and TB
November 19th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Mcfadden20 – Gruden didn’t build those teams. Al did. You can blame Al if you think we mortgaged the future for those Gruden teams. Gruden just molded that talent into a winner. We have some talent here. We need some good coaching.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
The thing is perfect, young guys get along with young coaches , Gruden got along with veteran players , but it was his downfall in a way , not 1 notable draft pick in both of his tenures at oak and TB
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Gruden is not known for talent evaluation. But then, he wouldn’t be expected to either. That’s what Reggie is here for.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Mcfadden20 – MR went from a major Al Davis hater to the very polar opposite, a Reggie apologist. He is full bore behind the new reggime, whereas Bob is very critical of it and a noted Gruden campaigner.
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Yeah but isn’t all of these guys same guy, with different personalities? All these guys claim to love whiners , they can’t hide just like Mistics love for black Qb’s , even though Mistic wants us to think that he just like athletic guys at QB
November 19th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
They should move Terrell Pryor over Leinart, he’s just gonna break his collarbone eventually anyways if he ever gets in a game.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Yeah, Mistic the Dipstick does have some alter egos/trolls. It’s funny to see when he gets overwhelmed in here. Out come the trolls with the specific purpose of hating on Palmer. What a fantastic coincidence, right?
November 19th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Mcfadden20 – Gruden didn’t build those teams. Al did. You can blame Al if you think we mortgaged the future for those Gruden teams. Gruden just molded that talent into a winner. We have some talent here. We need some good coaching.
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I agree with you ,Gruden didn’t build those teams , but you can’t deny gruden was more into veteran players , idk how many years Gruden coached Tony Dungy team known for Monte Tiffins Tampa 2 D ,but you can’t spot 1 guy that stands out who was drafted under his leadership
November 19th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
RAIDERNATION — Dudes we are all tire of this SH## !
Reggie — LET US SEE PRYOR
Reggie– C’Mon Man — GET RID OF (NCAA) Tarver and bring a Man Dude! !
Reggie–How about a CHRISTMAS GIFT and Study 3 WEEKS of
FILM and get 2 POWERFUL LINEBACKERS
Gey Rid of Mc Clain
November 19th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Yeah, Mistic the Dipstick does have some alter egos/trolls. It’s funny to see when he gets overwhelmed in here. Out come the trolls with the specific purpose of hating on Palmer. What a fantastic coincidence, right?
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Yeah. It’s pretty obvious.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Yeah, Mistic the Dipstick does have some alter egos/trolls. It’s funny to see when he gets overwhelmed in here. Out come the trolls with the specific purpose of hating on Palmer. What a fantastic coincidence, right?
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Exactly right at the same time comes Beech,Kool Kell,Priest, and others , then there are Al Davis worshippers who also show up at same time al is the raiders = troll Eastoaklandraiders ,Rader O among many others ,then there are Hue lovers ,it’s def one of these guys stirring the spot
November 19th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Amy is the Raiders ,JonGruden,MR and other Whiner lovers show up at same time
November 19th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Stirring the pot
November 19th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Mcfaggaen shut yo punk ass up.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
HANG THEM HIGH REGGIE. !
Put something New to those Black Uniforms to Remove
Some of that Evil Wrong Doing.
Clean ourselves -Peace and Harmony with GOD!
START THOSE CHANGES -Reggie soon!
PS! – look at SEATTLE – New Uniform colors
November 19th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
The reality of it is we’re stuck with this group of pathetic coaches and players for the foreseeable future. Best case is Knapp and Special Teams get a make over but it’ll probably be Tarver if only because of the cash tied to knapp pollack and Breisel.
So maybe we make some trade and get a draft pick or two. It’s almost over for this year and then we can repeat the cycle and start to have hope again.
In the meantime they remain the laughing stock of the nfl cause when life gives you lemons you make lemonade!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Eastoakland is NOT mistic.
November 19th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
What QB do you know of that would’ve had a good game behind that line. That was one of the worst beatings I’ve seen a QB take. To get all cocky about JC having a bad game in that situation is about as moronic as it gets. JC was not the issue in that game that Oline was……….get a clue!
November 19th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Mcfadden20 – Gruden didn’t build those teams. Al did. You can blame Al if you think we mortgaged the future for those Gruden teams. Gruden just molded that talent into a winner. We have some talent here. We need some good coaching.
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I agree with you ,Gruden didn’t build those teams , but you can’t deny gruden was more into veteran players , idk how many years Gruden coached Tony Dungy team known for Monte Tiffins Tampa 2 D ,but you can’t spot 1 guy that stands out who was drafted under his leadership
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I think Gruden was trying to reproduce what Al did with him here in Oakland. Gruden is no talent evaluator. He needs someone handling that end of things in order for him to be successful.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
You really have to hate that guy to expect him to perform under that kind of duress. Relax will ya’
November 19th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Nark davis, please sell this team now, to much bad karma your father created over the years and the Raiders are CURSED from the devil..Sad stupid players with no dignity and heart, coaches who are stupid and a owner who needs plastic surgery on his face..The GM looks like a baboon!!!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
You really have to hate that guy to expect him to perform under that kind of duress. Relax will ya’
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You mean like Mistic’s hatred toward Palmer? Palmer should transcend the sh1tty line play and piss-poor defense? Yeah, I think I know what you’re saying here.
It’s unfair to judge Jason under duress just like it’s unfair to judge Palmer under these conditions.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Priest, I agree, but it’s funny how everyone thinks Palmer is supposed to overcome 55, 42 and 38 pt. outbursts along with a suspect o-line and weak running game.
A team could score 75 pt’s on us and Palmer throw for 500 yds. and 3 td’s with a pick that was tipped off a receivers hands and it would STILL be his fault.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
JC threw his famous deep strike outta bounds when BMarshall was wide open down the sideline, same ole JC.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
The GM looks like a baboon!!!
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Come on man, really?
November 19th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
JT the brick is bashing JC,LOL.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
JC threw his famous deep strike outta bounds when BMarshall was wide open down the sideline, same ole JC.
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He is who we thought he was.
That being said, he does a good job of playing mistake-free ball when everything else around him is going well. I will give him that. But to think he would outperform Palmer under these same conditions is just asinine.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
JC is the poster boy for game managers.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
EVERY TEAM WE KNOW GOT BETTER EXEPT US !
We Laugh at the DONKEES and Look our Punishment.
Look at the – COLTS
Look at the – LIONS
Look at the- 49rs
Lool at the -Seattle, etc
November 19th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
I will give this coaching staff another year just because we didnt have offseason like other teams
November 19th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
If you’re talented enough it means you’re doing a pretty bad job at coaching period.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
It’s funny how noone has an answer when the question is posed if ANY qb…Peyton, Brees or Brady would be winning if they were the Raider qb? With THIS team.
At least not an HONEST answer.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Mcfaggaen shut yo punk ass up.
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Hey man no need to get dirty , even though we got started on the wrong foot , we still love the Raiders right ? On the other hand guys like Mistic , I want to keep bringing up this JC performance for him to tell us what went wrong
November 19th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Omoran Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
EVERY TEAM WE KNOW GOT BETTER EXEPT US !
We Laugh at the DONKEES and Look our Punishment.
Look at the – COLTS
Look at the – LIONS
Look at the- 49rs
Lool at the -Seattle, etc
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To be honest they enjoyed wonderful offseasons, in which we had to cut loose players just to get under the salary cap to begin the season
November 19th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
JC is the poster boy for game managers.
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Works fine when you have a beast running game or have Baltimore 00 or TB 02 defense
November 19th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Morons above: Pretty sad when your talking about JC on here..D—-heads
November 19th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Mcfaggaen shut yo punk ass up.
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Hey man no need to get dirty , even though we got started on the wrong foot , we still love the Raiders right ? On the other hand guys like Mistic , I want to keep bringing up this JC performance for him to tell us what went wrong
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Niners had me laughing my a$% off at any assertion that Jason Campbell was the answer at QB in Oakland.
Done.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Only hope for sunday: Raider players rally around Hue before and after the game. Let him know how badly he was treated. Rally around him big time. Long lost buddy style. Send a message to Mark Reg and DA. Then Palmer and crew need to go rogue on knapp and beat the piss outta the Bengals. Only scenario that will work.
I’ll say it again:
Players need to rally around Hue before and after the game. All remaining players from last year.
Palmer and the O need to go rogue all the way on knapp.
Only way we can beat the Bengals.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
DONKEYS got 1 thing right , they gave Dumerville good contract and drafted Von Miller at #2 , in the end every body knows all the playoffs teams would be standing on great passers or great Ds , if you have great D and great pass rush in this league , you got a chance to beat these top Offenses like NO beaten by SF , Gb O wa crushed by NyG , NE was crushed by NYG twice , you got a chance to do all that , you can only get lucky on kickoff fumbles and other stuff once in awhile , you need great D’s in this age of Offenses
November 19th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Richraider Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Morons above: Pretty sad when your talking about JC on here..D—-heads
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I feel sorry for JC. I don’t pay any mind to anyone else about Palmer/JC talk or debate. JC signed my “Team of the Decades” book for me a couple years ago, so I just wish him the best like anyone else. He may have got the better deal getting out of Oakland cause look how bad this coaching staff has destroyed Palmer and McFadden, imagine how they coulda utterly destroyed JC. And look what they’re doin to Pryor. Not even developing him (knapps fault) and look at the games they play with dog housed players, and their mis use of player personel. This coaching staff is fcked up.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Lemme make it clear once again, the perennial SB teams have either great O or great pass rush , we ain’t anywhere near that , if you guys want great O , we need first off all great Play caller , 2nd great OL , 3rd #1 WR and #2 receiver , if you guys want great D , we need two DEs in 4-3 threat to get sacks on every pass play and of the DTs who can get to QB
November 19th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
One of the DTs
November 19th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
In 3-4 you need both OLB who can pass rush
November 19th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Mc20 my good friend the Troll Hunter/Feeder. How’s it goin. What a fckn mess we got goin on. I know I rag the coaching staff, but do you really think if we had a legit pass rush (which is in the top 3 of most pressing needs), do you think the coaches would know how to get the best out of them? They can’t even get a little outta what we got now.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
DONKEYS got 1 thing right , they gave Dumerville good contract and drafted Von Miller at #2 , in the end every body knows all the playoffs teams would be standing on great passers or great Ds , if you have great D and great pass rush in this league , you got a chance to beat these top Offenses like NO beaten by SF , Gb O wa crushed by NyG , NE was crushed by NYG twice , you got a chance to do all that , you can only get lucky on kickoff fumbles and other stuff once in awhile , you need great D’s in this age of Offenses
>> a great pass rush is the key. AD always said that and was right. if a D can pressure the QB consistently without blitzing they won’t lose to any offense. Raiders need pass rushers, forget CBs get a pass rush and the corner play won’t matter as much
November 19th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
All the SB teams were great in 1 thing or other , I believe we will def be D oriented and become a top 10 D Team next year , Tarver and D can do a lot of things if we had consistent pass rush
November 19th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
It’s funny how noone has an answer when the question is posed if ANY qb…Peyton, Brees or Brady would be winning if they were the Raider qb? With THIS team.
At least not an HONEST answer.
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I just don’t see how any QB can overcome such a terrible defense, bad O-line, and receivers that can’t even run the right routes much less catch the balls thrown to them on a consistent basis. Heck, even our sure-handed TE popped one up right to the defense in the endzone.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
And that’s what we need to do. We need to come together as a football team and all make a decision that we’re going to do what it takes to win football games.”
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Figure it out!
November 19th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
And that’s what we need to do. We need to come together as a football team and all make a decision that we’re going to do what it takes to win football games.”
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How about if it aint working, sh*t can it. If it aint broken, don’t fix it. Hope that helps.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Mc20 my good friend the Troll Hunter/Feeder. How’s it goin. What a fckn mess we got goin on. I know I rag the coaching staff, but do you really think if we had a legit pass rush (which is in the top 3 of most pressing needs), do you think the coaches would know how to get the best out of them? They can’t even get a little outta what we got now.
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I don’t know who you are ,could be Mistic , but let me get this straight , yes with some legit pass rush , we are def good enough to beat most teams with this O even with Greg knapp , you know they will be more relaxed and can play ur safer if we had good Pass Rush, heck Tebow went to playoffs with Dumerville and V Miller harassing QBs ,T Dilfer won SB ,Rob Johnson won SB ,A Smith almost went into SB last year
November 19th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
it will very interesting when dmc comes back and we get a side by side comparison with him and reece. won’t be any conjecture then.
i’m gonna say this about our golden haired hero: if ur one of the idiots who think he sucks, go ahead and think it. but anyone with any real football knowledge, like nfl people, would laugh u outta the room. it just makes people sound so stupid.
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
McFool20 isnt a troll hunter he’s the troll king. Lol He bashes Darren McFadden but uses his name to rep himself like a true closet bundle of sticks. He’s never played a real game of football in pads a day in his life but yet if you dont agree with him you’re a troll because with no actual football experience he somehow knows everything. Lmao What a clown. He and Just fire baby, along with lefty and fangsraider are the biggest losers on this blog behind beechdawg the low life village idiot. Lol
November 20th, 2012 at 12:02 am
meanwhile 5 of our last 6 games look winnable. that will be interesting. do they bounce back and play better, or do they just completely fall apart. like it or not, but that will decide DA’s fate. cuz if they end up 3-133 or 4-12, i think he’s gone. u just can’t come in, take a team that was on the cusp of the playoffs the last two years, and have them look like one of the worst teams in the nfl.
with that said, i know we pulled the trigger on shanahan pretty quick and that ended up blowing up in our face for a decade.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Mc20, coaches have to inspire players. Players respect smart coaches and coaches who are winners. They don’t buy into coach speak and horse manure. The coaches have lost this team. Better coaches would have brought out better play with this group. It is that simple. Even a decent pass rush.
The truth is, knapps plays have failed. The players know this. DA is walking a fine line right now. Players aren’t buying his coach speak or half time crap speach. I’d be willing to give DA a second year if he fires knapp and instills a power gap run game, uses multiple backs sets, and sees a legit pass rush as a high priority. But only on that condition. Right now, its a fckn mess, and if they are not careful, they’ll utterly destroy Palmer. He is a legit QB who can win for this team, but he has no cast or support. He was force fed a bad scheme. Nothing was built around his or McFaddens strengths. It was doomed from the get go. The proof is in the performance.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:04 am
You guys I can’t ever remember anyone saying Palmer is responsible for these losses. IMO Mistic1 just critigues Palmers play as the QB. Which is fair game but I can’t remember him saying is the reason we’re losing because that is not the case at all.
I just think he thinks Palmer is over rated because of his turnovers combined with the record. To be honest all QB’s are gaged that way. I know he doesn’t like Palmer due to his penchant for t/o’s. Which quite frankly I agree with him Palmer needs to stop the int’s.
These last 3 games Palmer has played well and we’ve been blown out no one can blame him for those no matter how much you hate him.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:05 am
The Mack Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
McFool20 isnt a troll hunter he’s the troll king. Lol He bashes Darren McFadden but uses his name to rep himself like a true closet bundle of sticks. He’s never played a real game of football in pads a day in his life but yet if you dont agree with him you’re a troll because with no actual football experience he somehow knows everything. Lmao What a clown. He and Just fire baby, along with lefty and fangsraider are the biggest losers on this blog behind beechdawg the low life village idiot. Lol
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well, i like mcfadden20. i think he gets it right most of the time, and he can’t stand most of the guys i can’t stand.
however, u do make fun of the truly awful posters (fangs, beeech), so i’m with u there.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Our coaching staff is one dimensional, plain and simple. Our sets and formations are readable on offense, and our defense doesn’t know how to read. That is on the coaches. They have failed to lead these players in battle. It’s a fcked up mess. Coaches are to blame. Players need to rally around Hue next Sunday, and Palmer and McFadden need to go rogue on knapps ass.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:11 am
priest–yes he does. the biggest thing he talks about is record. if ur not a complete moron, u know wins and losses come as a team. palmer can be reckless and he does turn the ball over, but he makes a lot of plays most qb’s would never even see.
mistic is CLEARLY racist. he never mentions race so he thinks that hides it. it doesn’t. the black qb’s he has supported are sometimes ridiculous (joe webb/russell/even campbell) and how he always makes excuse for them. and he claims it’s all about athleticism. but it’s nearly ALWAYS black guys. even when they’re not all that athletic. and he never really talks about athletic white guys.
throw in all the “black people invented society” stuff and u know u have a “pro-black” lunatic. people like that are so one-sided, it’s almost impossible to talk sense. i know u wanna support him as another black guy, but sometimes people are just dumb.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:13 am
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Our coaching staff is one dimensional, plain and simple. Our sets and formations are readable on offense, and our defense doesn’t know how to read. That is on the coaches. They have failed to lead these players in battle. It’s a fcked up mess. Coaches are to blame. Players need to rally around Hue next Sunday, and Palmer and McFadden need to go rogue on knapps ass.
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ain’t nobody rallying around hue. that’s yesterday’s news and no player is gonna be seen as a traitor.
the coaching has been questionable for sure, but the players suck. if they were any good, they would lay better. they’re not pawns on a chess board. they’ve played before. there’s about 25 players on this team that are worth keeping.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Im sure you do agree with him on some things, hell even a broken clock is right atleast twice a day. @ post 581
November 20th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Fangsraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
AIN’T THAT RIGHT MISTIC THE SUPABABOON!!!
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did u just use the word SUPA? u know that’s a black word, right? better not let the clan know. u sellout!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am
Fangsraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
HEY MR. ALLEN ITS NOT YOUR FAULT…ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO TEACH A PACK OF DUMB MONKEYS ANYTHING MUCH LESS FOOTBALL.
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umm, pretty much all the teams have a lot of black guys fangs. ur not so bright are u buddy?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:17 am
Fangsraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
MR. ALLEN PUT TOGETHER A TEAM OF ALL WHITE PLAYERS THEN YOU WILL WIN!
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oh man. that would be a pretty bad team.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Fangsraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
lbert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Campbell is overthrowing everyone. === HE SHOULD USE A SPEAR INSTEAD…HE’D BE MORE ACCURATE I BET!
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wouldn’t that hurt to catch?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:39 am
In the draft we should get Jarvis Jones or TexasA&M DE ,too drunk to remember his name
November 20th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Yes I criticize every thing that I see isn’t good even if my ID is named after that player, I don’t care how good McFadden is ,he isn’t worth sh1t if he cant stay healthy , we can play what if games all we want, what If Bo Jackson never got injured , what if Pete Gisellle didn’t block Elway Trade, what if Barry Sanders never retired ,what if Ricky Williams never gave up On football, what if Tuck rule and immaculate receptions never happened , what if D RuSseLL never got into drug problems, what if Siragusa never flopped on Gannon, what if Barret Robbins didn’t fuk up before the most important game of his life , what if Hue was here, I don’t want to get into all that sh1t for all the great things McFadden did , I can’t take some guy being injurf more than half the year every season
November 20th, 2012 at 12:56 am
I don’t care what you guys want to make of this season , we ain’t going Anywhere with this D , if last years wins came against pretty good Opponents and we had legit offseason to bring in more talent, and we still didnt do sh1t I would be the one calling for DA’s head more than you guys , but since last year was fluke ,offseason was horrible due to salary cap and draft picks ,I would give DA ,Tarver one more chance, could live without Knapp and ST coach though
November 20th, 2012 at 12:56 am
Nice to see TSR and Mc20 talking and making sense instead of just spewing the same ole hateful BS.Keep it up guys.I’ve given up.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Gnite nation
November 20th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Here we are again. Not enough talent in the secondary, not enough talent on the o-line and not enough talent in the coaching staff. Linebackers that can’t identify an uncovered rb lining up in the slot, easily batied safeties, wide receivers that can’t catch or run a rub route with any proficiency, a quarterback that just isn’t good enough…
All that being said, thank god for Marcel Reece. Allen is so out of his depth it’s not even news. I know the guy has to start somewhere, but man, this is just… to use Allen’s own words, “frustrating and disappointing”.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Lefty12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 12:56 am
Nice to see TSR and Mc20 talking and making sense instead of just spewing the same ole hateful BS.Keep it up guys.I’ve given up.
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Thanks man, have a gnite
November 20th, 2012 at 1:01 am
I firmly believe that if we start winning now it’s just going to confuse the issue. For some weird reason we win out we go 9-7 then what? They aren’t going to get rid of the players they need to get rid of, they aren’t going to fire the coaches that need firing.
Screw that, just scrap everything and start over. I mean everything, players coaches management, hell if it helps get rid of the cheerleaders and bring in some new young hotties.
#JUSTTANKBABY!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:06 am
SUP BLOG GOOBS
Just got back from a pizza eating contest. Ate 7 large pepperoni and cheese and then look out. A monster deuce started to percolate and thar she blew. Took my posse some hard work to clean it off the walls, but not before they got it on video. Holla. That deuce was work so yawl know my nads need a good soakin. Damn, did I read in here there is a turd eatin contest goin on? Some yawl just plain nasty.
DONT EAT THE YELLOW SNOW, WORD.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:23 am
i’m gonna say it again. if u think the guy that has over 3k yards after 10 games, less than a hundred behind the top 2 in the nfl, is the problem, then u just don’t know football. at all.
bad qb’s simply don’t arrive at the 10-game mark on pace for over 4800 yards. understand? almost 30 td’s.
when we get to the end of the season, and we see what palmer has done with a sh!tty team, the morons who have dissed him will look like the least knowledgable fans in history.
find a different player to go after. u just make embarrass urself.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:25 am
Hey Mistic…haven’t read all the previous posts but am curious to get your “Mistic” evaluation of Jason Campbell’s performance for the Bear’s tonight.
He made the Bear’s DB’s look like All-pros and looked all the part of a deer-in-the-headlights kind of QB.
Your thoughts please.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:05 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
cant wait until they fire danus allen, reggie too
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Tell us what happens after that event? How will it benefit the team and the fans?
November 20th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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November 20th, 2012 at 4:11 am
Next up for the Raiders is a visit to Cincinnati on Sunday and with it the twin storylines of Carson Palmer’s return to Paul Brown Stadium and former Raiders coach Hue Jackson being on the opposite sideline with the Bengals as an assistant coach.
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Hue Jax will have the Bungles secondary & special teams amped for this game. It helps that he basically faces Palmer & Adams, who love to give the football away!!
November 20th, 2012 at 4:16 am
I honestly hope this is Palmer’s middle finger game to Cincy’s owner where he throws for 400 yards, 3 TD’s and doesn’t turn the ball over
I am preparing myself to be massively disappointed though. Palmer is a leader, but he’s not a winner
November 20th, 2012 at 4:24 am
In the betting world, all signs point to the Raiders covering the spread if not winning out right. A game in which a team that wins back to back blowouts vs. a team that gets blown out in back to back games, usually results in an upset or a close game at least.
With the sub plots for this game CP & Hue, I think it’s possible the Raiders can steal a win.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:35 am
LondonAl Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:05 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
cant wait until they fire danus allen, reggie too
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Tell us what happens after that event? How will it benefit the team and the fans?
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We hire someone the players will believe in.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:50 am
Carl weathers… They said that for the last game…. Dalton to Green all day long.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:41 am
I have an incredible feeling of deja vu today.
Anyone else?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:46 am
Neilb… You mean like we’ve been here before… Over and over and over … ?..
Yep… I feel the samething… We’ve been in this same situation for better than a decade….
And it’s getting very old….
November 20th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:25 am
Hey Mistic…haven’t read all the previous posts but am curious to get your “Mistic” evaluation of Jason Campbell’s performance for the Bear’s tonight.
He made the Bear’s DB’s look like All-pros and looked all the part of a deer-in-the-headlights kind of QB.
Your thoughts please.
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Bears kept calling screens down by 3 scores….
At the half it was…
Colin Kaepernick: QB rating 140
Jason Campbell: QB rating 16.7
Mistic is M.I.A.
you can talk crap about the Palmer trade all you like – he wouldve done better than that.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:49 am
Carl Weathers Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:24 am
In the betting world, all signs point to the Raiders covering the spread if not winning out right. A game in which a team that wins back to back blowouts vs. a team that gets blown out in back to back games, usually results in an upset or a close game at least.
With the sub plots for this game CP & Hue, I think it’s possible the Raiders can steal a win.
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I think so, too. But the fans will be like Mad Max beyond Thunderdome…it will be the highest level of crowd intensity for the entire year. Palmer better have his A game, and his receivers better catch every thing to keep that crowd out of it.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:51 am
just what we need, another team playing their super bowl against us
November 20th, 2012 at 5:52 am
580.Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 12:04 am
You guys I can’t ever remember anyone saying Palmer is responsible for these losses. IMO Mistic1 just critigues Palmers play as the QB. Which is fair game but I can’t remember him saying is the reason we’re losing because that is not the case at all.
I just think he thinks Palmer is over rated because of his turnovers combined with the record. To be honest all QB’s are gaged that way. I know he doesn’t like Palmer due to his penchant for t/o’s. Which quite frankly I agree with him Palmer needs to stop the int’s.
These last 3 games Palmer has played well and we’ve been blown out no one can blame him for those no matter how much you hate him.
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Mistic hates Palmer because he is white, from a “priveleged” school, and because he replaced a black quarterback as the leader of the Raiders’ offense.
Period.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:55 am
If the Bungles have watched the Raiders game film they have to be thinking this will be a cake walk… And they’ve seen the film…..so, Palmer will need to be Sharp and he’s gonna needs help from his teammates … I’m still glad to have Palmer , just wish he had more help…
November 20th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Plunketthead Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:51 am
just what we need, another team playing their super bowl against us
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There was a time, when every team played like that against us (including New England) and they would still beat them down. A time when the Falcon game or Buccaneer game was a LOCK – no doubt about it. I went to game at the coliseum where they beat the Falcons 50-19.
seems like a century ago.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:57 am
“These last 3 games Palmer has played well and we’ve been blown out no one can blame him for those no matter how much you hate him”.
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Agreed.Last time I looked CP3 didn’t play defense.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:59 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
After last night, despite the record he had here…any of you wish we still had Campbell??? Seriously…put all of this crap aside and think about that one!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 5:59 am
I remember those days very well Sam…. I remember a beatdown the Raiders gave the Buc’s at home…. And it does seem like a century ago….
November 20th, 2012 at 6:01 am
“Seems like a century ago”
How many people can remember a winning season?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:01 am
Well, at least we know now that replacing Jason Campbell was the right decision. Now we can move on to endless debating about whether Pryor should start over Palmer.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:01 am
Hwnrdr… Still very happy to have Palmer here…not missing JC at all … Still wish him well…
November 20th, 2012 at 6:03 am
I can still remember winning… Was even at the 76/77 Super Bowl at the Rose bowl…… Was just a kid then…
November 20th, 2012 at 6:04 am
Yeah I wish him the best of luck, but didn’t he get hurt last night?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:04 am
Only time Pryor should be ahead of CP3 is in garbage time.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Green with envy right now Fingers.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:06 am
Yep.. The Niner D was keying of Soup…. He didn’t have a chance
November 20th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Neil’s…I’ve still got the ” I was there ” pin from that game…. I remember they ran outta beer at halftime… But we were tanked anyway… Had a great time ..
November 20th, 2012 at 6:12 am
1983 Super Bowl – been a fan since even though its mostly a love hate thing with the exception of gruden. You knew he had ‘it’ even watching him as an assistant with the eagles. He flipped the bird to Ricky Waters!!! Unforgettable! Say what you will but he had fire then and as our coach. He got just a little full of himself with the bucs and lost some of the fire. Still like him but he ain’t coming here. No chance.
I been wasting my Sundays hoping beyond hope since the eighties.
Which means I get to mock them thoroughly when they deserve it. This regime ‘ranks’ right there with the worst of em.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:13 am
I didn’t watch the game last night because I don’t watch Niner games, but did I hear that mcKown came in last night as well?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Also, I checked the score and stats last night at halftime…a -1 yard passing…how?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Watched SB18 as a teen and still new to the game.It was the first game I’d seen live and it just blew my mind and helped start the love of the game/Raiders.
The less said ’bout SB37 the better.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:15 am
I don’t see Gruden ever coming back to the Raiders either…. But just cause I don’t see it doesn’t mean it can’t happen… But at this point I’d agree… Can’t see him back in Oakland or LA in the near future
November 20th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Neilb Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:01 am
“Seems like a century ago”
How many people can remember a winning season?
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Hard to believe it was at the beginning of this century 2002. I still like Gruden, but that ship has sailed.
But that Campbell thing pretty much put an exclamation point – i mean, the Bears were 7-2 comin in and Niners embarrassed them. They just have their number, period.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:17 am
back later…
November 20th, 2012 at 6:17 am
Yep… Soup was awful last night…. And his OLine was even worse..
November 20th, 2012 at 6:18 am
Hwnrdr Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:13 am
I didn’t watch the game last night because I don’t watch Niner games, but did I hear that mcKown came in last night as well?
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No, he almost did. It looked like Campbell hurt his shoulder. But he was able to come back in the game. JC got pummeled last night.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:01 am
Well, at least we know now that replacing Jason Campbell was the right decision. Now we can move on to endless debating about whether Pryor should start over Palme
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So its Palmer for one more year
or Geno Smith/Barkley/Tyler Bray?
or another QB as yet unidentified (Miami of Ohio QB that broke a lot of Rothelisberger’s records)
November 20th, 2012 at 6:20 am
I’ll bet you all $100 the Mistic comes in here and says that Soup played as well as he could, but the line didn’t protect him at all.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Fingers Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:59 am
I remember those days very well Sam…. I remember a beatdown the Raiders gave the Buc’s at home…. And it does seem like a century ago….
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That was back when Gruden was there, and Shaun King was sacked and threw the ball up to the ref while lying down…i remember that one.
Raider demolished Carolina 52-9 … unbelievable year.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:23 am
I believe Palmers signed till 2016…doesn’t mean he’s gonna be here that long.. But I believe he’s under contract
November 20th, 2012 at 6:25 am
I believe you’re correct, Fingers!
November 20th, 2012 at 6:25 am
The last time the Raiders had a winning season:
Taylor Swift was 10 years old.
‘Chicago’ won the Academy Award for Best Picture
Nicolas Cage was nominated for an Oscar
Nickleback’s ‘How You Remind Me’ was the #1 song on the charts.
Yao Ming was the #1 pick in the NBA draft
November 20th, 2012 at 6:28 am
Sam… I remember those games very well…. Saw every game Chucky ever coached in Oakland…
November 20th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Albert…. Lol.. Yikes… It has been a long time..
November 20th, 2012 at 6:33 am
2 AFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES AT HOME IN 3 SEASONS.HOW OFTEN DOES THAT HAPPEN ? AFTER 2000 AND 2002 SEASONS..
November 20th, 2012 at 6:37 am
I was sitting on the 2nd deck on the south endzone when Goose bellyflopped Gannon…. Still have the ” Bye Bye birdies” poster from the tribune they gave all the fans that day…. Never had a chance once Gannon left that game… The Raven Defense was cruel…
November 20th, 2012 at 6:39 am
I remember when Goose retired and came back to commentate on a game in Oakland, and all the fans in the black hole were throwing all kinds of crap at him. the announcers in the booth asked him if he thought that the fans would forget what he did to their qb…funny stuff!
November 20th, 2012 at 6:43 am
POPE & DORSETT WAIVING AT SHANNON SHARP AS HE IS RUNNING DOWN THE FIELD, AND THE TD PASS TO RISON CALLD BACK FOR A “PUSHOFF” R THE NIGHTMARES 4 ME..
November 20th, 2012 at 6:47 am
Lol…. I still hate Goose for that hit ( flop)
November 20th, 2012 at 6:48 am
And I’ll always hate Horseface Sharp….
November 20th, 2012 at 6:48 am
I still remember Randy Jordan dropping that ball in the end zone against the Ravens. That hurt…
Was it Jordan? lol Was a long time ago
Good morning gentleman!
November 20th, 2012 at 6:49 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:43 am
POPE & DORSETT WAIVING AT SHANNON SHARP AS HE IS RUNNING DOWN THE FIELD, AND THE TD PASS TO RISON CALLD BACK FOR A “PUSHOFF” R THE NIGHTMARES 4 ME..
Yeah I remember that! I was still in Hawaii at that time. Moved up a couple weeks later!
November 20th, 2012 at 6:57 am
My girlfriend and I stayed at the Holiday inn across the street for that 2000 game …we thought the Raiders Offense was too much for the Ravens D… Boy were we wrong…. Especially after Gannon left … Tui was no match for the Ravens D
November 20th, 2012 at 6:58 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:39 am
I remember when Goose retired and came back to commentate on a game in Oakland, and all the fans in the black hole were throwing all kinds of crap at him. the announcers in the booth asked him if he thought that the fans would forget what he did to their qb…funny stuff
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I remember that.He said the fans were waving at him – just they were using only one finger.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Lol…hey Goose… F you…
November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Is Kapernicky better than Pryor?
November 20th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Actually that was that guy from Philly right? Oh goodness what was his name?
November 20th, 2012 at 7:07 am
J Hill Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Is Kapernicky better than Pryor?
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It sure looks like it. Pryor may be a better runner.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Bobby Hoying
November 20th, 2012 at 7:11 am
I wish we could see what TP could do already. The only thing that can happen now to Palmer is for him to get hurt and for us to be on the hook for the rest of his salary.
Fire Knapp and make him the O.C lol
November 20th, 2012 at 7:13 am
It sure looks like it.
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Based on what?
I think most people, well I’ll speak for myself, thought Kapernicky was Pryor BEFORE last night.
I didn’t see any part of last night’s game, but the score makes me even MORE curious to see Pryor.
Stash Palmer on the bench to keep him healthy for a trade.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:18 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:35 am
LondonAl Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:05 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
cant wait until they fire danus allen, reggie too
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Tell us what happens after that event? How will it benefit the team and the fans?
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We hire someone the players will believe in.
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Can you tell us which players we have now who are not performing under DA and who are also talented and game changers?
November 20th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Anyone got some good ideas/ingredients for a good brine for a turkey?
I want some Raider Nation ideas!
November 20th, 2012 at 7:24 am
J Hill Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:13 am
It sure looks like it.
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Based on what?
I think most people, well I’ll speak for myself, thought Kapernicky was Pryor BEFORE last night.
I didn’t see any part of last night’s game, but the score makes me even MORE curious to see Pryor.
Stash Palmer on the bench to keep him healthy for a trade.
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Based on what we have seen from Pryor. I haven’t seen Pryor throw passes as accurate and hard as Kaepernick. He didn’t do it in the preseason, and he didn’t do it in college.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:26 am
I didn’t see any part of last night’s game, but the score makes me even MORE curious to see Pryor.
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If you watched last night’s game, you wouldn’t be comparing the 2 QBs. Kaepernick looked better than half the starters in the NFL last night, including Palmer.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:30 am
I finally figured out why so many people on this blog think that by changing schemes, a QB or a coach things will get better.
It is because it is perceived as easy, can be done quickly and as a result it gives fans hope.
People, we are not going to fix 10 years of mismanagement in one season.
No coach will ever say he lacks roster talent.(Except Callahan).
Even the average fan should be able to see that we lack even average NFL talent especially on the line of scrimmage.
If you do not see that you do not understand the game.
Let’s try to do things the right way.
Keep a scheme and staff in place for more than one season.
Draft good players along the line of scrimmage.
Assuming we do that, we will start to be competitive in 2014.
The frightful, embarrassing beatings we take when playing average to good teams is evidence enough that we have a long way to go. (Please do not be deluded by the Steeler game. We were outplayed that day by a flat team that turned it over too many times. We did not beat the Steelers,they beat themselves.)
As a life long Raider fan I am not happy about it, but I am a realist. If you do not have the stomach for this take a break from the NFL and we can talk in 2014.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:31 am
659.. Correct… It was Hoying…
November 20th, 2012 at 7:32 am
hanson, adams, burris, bilukudi, bartell, gio
November 20th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Raiders ranked #29 in PFT power polls. I don’t get it. I would put them at #31.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am
def not fixing 10 years mismanagement by letting reggie have 3 more to do worse….
November 20th, 2012 at 7:38 am
J Hill Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Is Kapernicky better than Pryor?
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More accurate and a stronger arm (better coaches), but TP is a better athlete.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:39 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am
def not fixing 10 years mismanagement by letting reggie have 3 more to do worse….
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Herrera, I thought you were retired. Go place golf.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:45 am
I finally figured out why so many people on this blog think that by changing schemes, a QB or a coach things will get better.
It is because it is perceived as easy, can be done quickly and as a result it gives fans hope.
People, we are not going to fix 10 years of mismanagement in one season.
No coach will ever say he lacks roster talent.(Except Callahan).
Even the average fan should be able to see that we lack even average NFL talent especially on the line of scrimmage.
If you do not see that you do not understand the game.
Let’s try to do things the right way.
Keep a scheme and staff in place for more than one season.
Draft good players along the line of scrimmage.
Assuming we do that, we will start to be competitive in 2014.
The frightful, embarrassing beatings we take when playing average to good teams is evidence enough that we have a long way to go. (Please do not be deluded by the Steeler game. We were outplayed that day by a flat team that turned it over too many times. We did not beat the Steelers,they beat themselves.)
As a life long Raider fan I am not happy about it, but I am a realist. If you do not have the stomach for this take a break from the NFL and we can talk in 2014.
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So Denver can change their scheme (offense) to fit Tebow during the season AND WIN, but we need years?
You People …..
November 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Al
No one on this earth, can undue the damage of poor contracts like Seymour, the lack of draft picks and poor drafts such as JR Buchanon, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson, Tui, Nap Harris, Fabian Washington etc etc.
Time is all we have. We did not have money or picks.
Bartell, Spencer, Tollefson etc were all available for a reason.
Too many holes and too few resources. Sorry but reality in terms of records and stats speak.
Continue to be prepared for a frightful beating in Cincy this week.
When we start to draft Oline and Dline in the first two rounds you know we will be back.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Raider o
Take a look at what Denver has drafted for the last SIX years and what they have done to build their LINES.
Do you know football???????
Denver has drafted 8 players in the box over the last six years with picks in either the 1st or 2nd round.
You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
Why do you think Peyton went there?
WAKE UP!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:03 am
We need a safety.. look no further than thorpe award finalist phillip thomas fresno st. Ballhawk
November 20th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Peyton went to Denver because they let him install his own playbook
November 20th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Kapernick played behind a very very good offensive line last night. That really helps. just junk the zbs and spend some draft picks on some quality players on both sides of the line.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Play tp trade palmer and everybody else
November 20th, 2012 at 8:08 am
I had a feeling kap would go off.. he was beast at nevada
November 20th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Agree Marks Hair. What do we really have to lose at this point? We are not going to make the playoffs. Lets start evaluating for next year. Get them some playing time and experiance now when it no longer matters. TP, Ausberry, bergstrom, T. Jones, etc.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Charlie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Raider o
Take a look at what Denver has drafted for the last SIX years and what they have done to build their LINES.
Do you know football???????
Denver has drafted 8 players in the box over the last six years with picks in either the 1st or 2nd round.
You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
Why do you think Peyton went there?
WAKE UP!!!
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Do you watch the Raiders?
Do you know your team?
Our OL wasn’t a problem last year.
Our DL regressed from last year.
Stop with the excuses. It’s disgusting.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Yeah.. everybodys catching up to the hair.. no playoffs no playmakers on d… no chance in hèll.. we should have done the firesale.. too late now so shelve anybody trade worthy for next yr…
November 20th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Alcon Smith > V Miller.
Chico?
November 20th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Aldon*
November 20th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Smith is a beast.. the whiners have been doing everthing right lately.. especially finding the right coach..
November 20th, 2012 at 8:21 am
They should make Pryor active and make him the #2 QB. Then wait till week 15 against the Chiefs to start him. Give him the last 3 games to show what he can do.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:21 am
You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
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BS!
Gallery
Grove
Mario
Vledheer
Barksdale
Wiz
26 yo rookie
All drafted in 1st 3 rounds in the last 8 years.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:24 am
We traded a 1st for Seymour
Houston was a 2nd round pick
Shaugnessy was a 3rd
McClain was the 8th pick
That’s in the last 4 years.
What an ignorant statement!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am
It doesn’t matter what round you find your players in, you just have to find great players.. and dont regress them to death under a shìt coaching staff
November 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am
You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
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We haven’t ignored the box. We have just been picking the wrong players, or not developing them. Hopefully having a real GM now will fix this situation.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am
It doesn’t matter what round you find your players in, you just have to find great players.. and dont regress them to death under a shìt coaching staff
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Exactly. The Giants invest a lot in their DL, but they find good talented OL in later rounds.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Code no more bullshìt!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Like I said.
If this team is truly going to rebuild, then McK might as well trade their best asset and best player in DMC and get as many high picks as they can for him.
McK should talk to the Jets.
I bet the Jets would give up a 1st and a 3rd in this years draft for DMC. Or they would at least give up a 2nd and 4th in this years draft and and possibly a 1st or 2nd in next years draft for DMC.
It pains me to say that McK must consider trading away DMC, but that is the only way to get some much needed draft picks. Especially since we have a bum of an OC like Knapp who runs a system that doesn’t fit the strengths of DMC.
Then with those draft picks, we rebuild the D and get another RB and RT.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am
You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
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We haven’t ignored the box. We have just been picking the wrong players, or not developing them.
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Good point. How many players did we develop in the last 5+ years? 1? Nnamdi
November 20th, 2012 at 8:32 am
We had the best oline coach and dline coach around…. Losing them has been devastating.. wiz leaving wasnt good for us either.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Code no more bullshìt!
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lol
Code 10 & Then!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
The Raiders have too many inexperienced people in Leadership positions and need to bring in some people who have done it before. Reggie, DA et all may be very talented guys who know football, but all of them together under these circumstances is just not working.
Perception is reality, after losing for over a decade, the Raiders have a credibility problem and need to show their fans that they can right the ship. Bringing in guys with no track record at their current position does not solve that.
Whether it’s Chucky, Holmgren or Andy Reid, the Raiders need a proven guy to bring in some stability and experience to get this sorted out.
If you want a rookie GM…hire a coach with experience. If you want a rookie coach, pair him with a GM who knows the terrain and can run the organization.
Unfortunately everything these guys have done has blown up in their faces and because they are all new, it looks really bad. President, GM, HC….one or two of those positions needs an experienced (successful track record) guy.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:32 am
We had the best oline coach and dline coach around…. Losing them has been devastating.. wiz leaving wasnt good for us either.
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I think it’s obvious why the Wiz left us. Look at our OL!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:34 am
We have spent high picks on the lines but it aint working. Maybe it’s the way we evaluate talent.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
wiz left when we went to the zbs. He was a power guy…
November 20th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Trade dmac and cp3 to the jets.. we dont know what to do with em here. Of course the jetwork will go nuts .. superbowl predictions all offseason
November 20th, 2012 at 8:37 am
jason campbell is what we thought he was. 2 int’s on only 22 passes for 107 yds
kaepernick is much better than i realized, is he a starter in the league?
mistic won’t be in here much today, and when he’s back he’ll tell us about jc’s record as a raider compared to carsons which of course doesn’t tell the whole story
November 20th, 2012 at 8:39 am
by the way, i noticed omoran back last night and much more understandable at that. sounds like mark has some of his dad in him, patience wearing thing. wanna fix the raiders, two words, DAVID SHAW
November 20th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Oh i know why he left… he talked to krapp.. once is enough. Would you work a big public job under a retard? Making you do stupid shìt you dont agree with.. making you look like an idiot.. bye bye
November 20th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Harbaugh did a great job with Smith & Kaepernick. That’s what good coaches do.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:41 am
“jason campbell is what we thought he was. 2 int’s on only 22 passes for 107 yds”
He also had 2 INT’s and lost a fumble that resulted in a safety……yeah I would say the missdick feeble minded crew of JC sack lickers will not be in here today talking smack
November 20th, 2012 at 8:42 am
There is NO team in the NFL that will give up a 1st round pick for a running back that isn’t versitile enough to run behind multiple blocking schemes, can’t stay healthy, and disappears against good defense’s.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Raider o
You are delusional.
First I said 1st and 2nd round picks. Not 3rd or later.
Do your homework.
The definition of crazy is doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results.
We have changed coaches and schemes ove the the last ten years more than any team in the NFL and it has not worked because our players are below average TALENT WISE especially in the box.
You might be able to find ALL PRO TALENT IN THE SEVENTH ROUND. The odds say you will have more success in the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Do the math. 12 of your starting 22 play in the box. Have we invested 54% of our first and second round picks on those types of plyers?
November 20th, 2012 at 8:42 am
I wish tp had kaps arm
November 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am
I’m ready to try anything at this point. Al liked Shaw too.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am
He also had 2 INT’s and lost a fumble that resulted in a safety……yeah I would say the missdick feeble minded crew of JC sack lickers will not be in here today talking smack
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Misdick and Deblow will be here screaming about how it was the Bears crap oline, not Campbells fault.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am
David Shaw will be good! He can do what his father Willie (remember him) alwasy wanted to do, and that’s be a head coach in the NFL!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Mark,
He has a strong arm but his motion needs work and it effects his strength and accuracy.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Raider O Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Harbaugh did a great job with Smith & Kaepernick. That’s what good coaches do
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exactly. talent looks alot better with the right coach. Tp might have a chance with gruden or shaw. Fire DA now, we’re not competing. and yes, now it’s time to give tp some experience, seasons officially over
November 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
kaepernick is in the perfect position for a rookie QB a great O Line with a solid run game great special teams that will give him good starting field position.
But his best friend is the defense because even if he has 3 and out he knows that D will keep it close…so I would expect any rookie to do well on that team….be real even Alex Smith looks good QBing that team.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Raider O
Trading a first for Seymour is immaterial. We got a over the hill over paid DT.
How does that translate to a guy like Ngata?
Please try to make sense.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:46 am
“Misdick and Deblow will be here screaming about how it was the Bears crap oline, not Campbells fault.”
Yeah what were they before last night 7 wins and 1 loss yeah real crappy O-Line whats Bush and Forte averaging per carry…..GET REAL!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
kaepernick is in the perfect position for a rookie QB a great O Line with a solid run game great special teams that will give him good starting field position.
But his best friend is the defense because even if he has 3 and out he knows that D will keep it close…so I would expect any rookie to do well on that team….be real even Alex Smith looks good QBing that team.
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campbell had an elite d, elite running game, and an elite receiver, but he didn’t look so good
November 20th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Yeah what were they before last night 7 wins and 1 loss yeah real crappy O-Line whats Bush and Forte averaging per carry…..GET REAL!
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Hey, don’t shoot the messenger… I am just telling you what they are going to say.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:48 am
The last time the 49ers started a dynasty, 1981, the Raiders couldnt handle it as split in the middle of the night to LA,….now that the Niners are in the beginning stage of yet another several year dynasty, the Raiders will once again tuck their tail and run, to LA again,…once they see the writing on the wall, they are vastly inferior, instead of trying to compete in the bay area, they simply run away….2013 is the last year of the lease here, but Amy is going to break it and play in LA somewhere until the new stadium is ready….print that one kids. Its 100% truth.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:49 am
A “name” HC or at least someone who can command respect in the locker and knows what he’s doing.
It’ll free up Reggie to attend to other parts of the organization and not have to spend sleepless nights tossing and turning trying to figure out what goes through Knapp’s head when he radios in a play?!
It’ll create some stability and let the players know that the express lane to the Owner’s Box to get breast fed has been closed permanently.
Then that Coach can implement his program in earnest and go to town on getting rid of the non achievers.
You’re either IN….or IN THE WAY.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:51 am
If we drafted Adrian Peterson Calvin Johnson Ben roflisberger and Rob Gronkowski we wouldn’t be complaining that we haven’t spent hi draft picks on line men Would we?
November 20th, 2012 at 8:52 am
“Hey, don’t shoot the messenger… I am just telling you what they are going to say.”
We are in agreement here I was just responding to their trash not what you said ….you are 100% on target here
November 20th, 2012 at 8:53 am
And hear this also,..She turned on me Sunday,…stabbed me in the back, so this name Im usuing now, Gruden,and the other one I used, amysincharge, are dead forever,..she is making sure Jon will never return,..told me so, to my face…so F her,…the Raiders are getting what they deserve,…the loyalists in the fan base are now going to hate them….but they do not care, they are setting up camp in LA as we speak,..notice all the legends doing auotgraphs lately?…its almost always in LA,…Universal Walk,..Marcus Allen marketing the return in LA hard along with Magic…I would be shocked if the Raiders played their final leased year, 2013, up here,..they wont, now that the cats out of the bag….goodbye LA Raiders, Hello Santa Clara Niners.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:53 am
If the Raiders have an opportunity to get David Shaw after this season, I say screw continuity. This guy is the real deal. Raiders can’t afford to miss out on another Harbaugh.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Charlie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Raider O
Trading a first for Seymour is immaterial. We got a over the hill over paid DT.
How does that translate to a guy like Ngata?
Please try to make sense.
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Seymour did help our DL (not this year), but like I said, you have to watch the games and know your team to realize that.
You draft based on value, so your theory about investing 54% of our 1st and 2nd round picks is crazy.
Should we draft a 2 down LB in 1st 2 rounds? No
Should we invest our top 2 picks in a C or an OG? No
Value!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Shaw > Gruden
November 20th, 2012 at 8:54 am
I will be back later, with a new nickname,..and not because Im a weak little man like MR,..its because they no longer deserve my loyalty…and it has NOTHING to do with wins and losses,…has everything to do with stabbing Raider fans up here squarely in the back.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Ya sure,..Shaw will come work for the Raiders, after how his dad was treated here,..try doing reseach you moron.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:55 am
“campbell had an elite d, elite running game, and an elite receiver, but he didn’t look so good”
Your dead on here 100% true!!
Chicago has the best defense in the league elite WR’s elite RB’s and he shlt the bed……you couldn’t ask for a better situation for a QB to be in an yet he still looks like a deer in the headlights crapping his pants…
November 20th, 2012 at 8:56 am
You can’t bust on first round picks up every year and not have a lot of problems.. And you can’t pick it lame àss puppet coaches every other year either..
I like parts of our new direction but the vast majority of this coaching staff is pure rubbish..
November 20th, 2012 at 8:57 am
I will be back later, with a new nickname,..and not because Im a weak little man like MR,..its because they no longer deserve my loyalty…and it has NOTHING to do with wins and losses,…has everything to do with stabbing Raider fans up here squarely in the back.
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If you feel that way why would you come back at all?
November 20th, 2012 at 8:57 am
“I will be back later, with a new nickname,.”
Come back as Jason Campbell’s feces filled jeans
November 20th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:51 am
If we drafted Adrian Peterson Calvin Johnson Ben roflisberger and Rob Gronkowski we wouldn’t be complaining that we haven’t spent hi draft picks on line men Would we?
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Like I said dude, was our OL a problem last year? Weren’t we 2nd in sacks behind the steelers with same core of players on the DL when Waufle was their coach?
No more excuses!
November 20th, 2012 at 9:01 am
I remember hearing that rumour way back when that she didn’t like the influence that Chucky and Bruce Allen had in the organization?
The NFL would never let Al have the LA market again, whole or partial. (I hope I’m wrong) but with him gone now, I think the NFL would love to have the Raiders back there.
I think they belong in Oakland/Bay Area, hope they stay.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:07 am
If the Raider are moving to LA for the 2013 season, why are they trying to get me to re-up? They can’t sell us all tix to Oakland and high-tail it. And that would be costly to process all those refunds. They will be in Oakland in 2013. Now, 2014 and beyond, I cannot speak for.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Because B24,…some of you losers need to be educated by someone like me, who has very high up insiders in Alameda. Or would you rather continue in your life as a clueless person?…if so, dont read my posts from here on out, stay clueless.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Name a fully manned, good playoff team that we beat last year.(Denver with Orton and Chicago w/o Cutler do not count).
When we faced good competition the last ten years we got crushed.Lokk what happened to us down the stretch last year. Remember Green Bay and Miami?
About as close as we have come to beating a good team in recent memory is Atlanta this year.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:08 am
I get the same renew crap banana,..trying to dangle a probowl gift,..what a joke,…you really think refunds woulds be costly to them?…ticket sales amount to about 1% of their revenue…geez some people just will never get it.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:09 am
656.J Hill Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Is Kapernicky better than Pryor?
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He was in college, was drafted higher, and forget having a better arm than Pryor, Kapy may have a better arm than anyone else in the NFL not named Joe Flacco or Jake Locker.
That thing is a rocket.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:10 am
734 HAHahHAHA
November 20th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Bob,
I decided to take you up on your generous offer to hangout at the tailgate, and would like to smoke one with you for the Thurs night game.
I owe B a bag as well that I need to square up on.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Why call this article: “Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings”
Where was the “take?” He just regurgitated the old news.
A take is something like this: “In my opinion DA will now have only another year of job security given the sharp criticism of the team.”
Where is the take @JERRY?
November 20th, 2012 at 9:14 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Ya sure,..Shaw will come work for the Raiders, after how his dad was treated here,..try doing reseach you moron.
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doesn’t hurt to try, it’s a new regime
November 20th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Ok Vegas,..A lot,..usually row 14ish
November 20th, 2012 at 9:15 am
The only thing left for everybody who said we would make the playoffs and be great this year is to make fun of the spelling from the guys who said Reggie has destroyed this team.Typical.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:20 am
UCLA Raiders Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Why call this article: “Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings”
Where was the “take?” He just regurgitated the old news.
A take is something like this: “In my opinion DA will now have only another year of job security given the sharp criticism of the team.”
Where is the take @JERRY?
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you must be riding high huh? Lane Kiffin and Jim mora recruit you where are you goin? This is why Kiffin needs to be fired. Also, have you seen the bball team? Larry Drew is HORRIBLE, bruins will not win with him as starting pg. Jordan adams Shabazz and powell however are straight studs
November 20th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am
def not fixing 10 years mismanagement by letting reggie have 3 more to do worse….
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I doubt there is a GM working today in the NFL who could turn the Raiders around in nine games into a season. Give RM time. Think about it……
November 20th, 2012 at 9:22 am
I watched that interview with Mark Davis.His eyes were saying FIRED FIRED FIRED.Can we please fire Reggie and Dennis now?
November 20th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Told ya.Hue is giggling his a$$ off right now.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:25 am
I doubt there is a GM working today in the NFL who could turn the Raiders around in nine games into a season. Give RM time. Think about it……
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fred says he’s the most knowledgeable guy in the blog, he says give reggie ten years to see some progress, it’s the patented
“ten and then” plan
November 20th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Should be fun watching our secondary try to match up with AJ Green, and work on furthering our horrendous coverage of TE’s, with Gresham.
This might be the once a month game our D-line plays reallly well and every announcer then tells us how great our D-line is every game afterwards.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Hue is giggling his a$$ off right now
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Why?
He took like a 75% paycut.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Hue- 55
Dennis 6
November 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am
All Hue Jackson and everyone else cares about is #1.
Hue lost his best job he ever had, lost a ton of income, and is back as a low-level assistant.
Nothing to be giggling about.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Reggie needs to make a move, DA isn’t the guy and we’ll draft according to his O and D system if he sticks around. That’ll set us back more years
November 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am
698.GreatWhiteRaider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
The Raiders have too many inexperienced people in Leadership positions and need to bring in some people who have done it before. Reggie, DA et all may be very talented guys who know football, but all of them together under these circumstances is just not working.
Perception is reality, after losing for over a decade, the Raiders have a credibility problem and need to show their fans that they can right the ship. Bringing in guys with no track record at their current position does not solve that.
Whether it’s Chucky, Holmgren or Andy Reid, the Raiders need a proven guy to bring in some stability and experience to get this sorted out.
If you want a rookie GM…hire a coach with experience. If you want a rookie coach, pair him with a GM who knows the terrain and can run the organization.
Unfortunately everything these guys have done has blown up in their faces and because they are all new, it looks really bad. President, GM, HC….one or two of those positions needs an experienced (successful track record) guy.
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Yep.
Can’t have rookies at the most important positions. Owner, GM and head coach.
If Reid is available after this season. McK should make a hard push to get him and see if Reid can or if DA is willing to be stay on as Reids DC.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:37 am
if DA is willing to be stay on as Reids DC.
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You don’t SERIOUSLY think that is even a possibility do you?
What planet do you live on if so? No HC would ever do that. Not one.
DA has accomplished more at 40 years old than just about anyone in the game of football right now. Show me an under 40 guy outside of Mike Tomlin who has accomplished more.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:38 am
756.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am
All Hue Jackson and everyone else cares about is #1.
Hue lost his best job he ever had, lost a ton of income, and is back as a low-level assistant.
Nothing to be giggling about.
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Blah….blah…..blah.
Hue Jackson is a better head coach and OC than DA and Krappy.
Davis and McK screwed up by dumping Hue waaaaaaay to quickly. Proof is in the pudding.
Heck, I think Cal should fire Tedford and look to hire McIntyre from SJSU, Hue Jackson or Niners OC Greg Roman as their next head coach.
Tedford isn’t taking Cal anywhere.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Bill Bellicheck’s resume at 40 years old is nothing compared to DA’s.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:39 am
I have been saying fire Tedford and hire Hue for 5 months now.
Hue is perfect for the college ranks. A mid-level BCS program is perfect for him.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Can’t have rookies at the most important positions. Owner, GM and head coach.
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Rookie owner (not a problem IMO)
Rookie GM
Rookie HC
Rookie DC
Knapp is as clueless as a rookie OC
November 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am
761.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Bill Bellicheck’s resume at 40 years old is nothing compared to DA’s.
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Resumes don’t matter. What matters is wins and losses and how the team is prepared and plays on the field.
The last 3 weeks the team has looked like crap and DA looks either lost or not interested….just staring at the field like a dear in the headlights. No fight in the kid.
You should know that.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am
How many Super Bowls Reid win?
Yeah lets get another guy who’s never won a Super Bowl so we can be wannabees like the Eagles, or Broncos and Bills from the 80’s.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am
It’s all about where you are at, at the end of your tenure.
Hue got 2 years with the team, and was 8-8 at the end of it.
DA will get two years, and if he is not 8-8 at the end of next year, he will be canned.
Pretty simple math.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am
763.Raider O Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Can’t have rookies at the most important positions. Owner, GM and head coach.
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Rookie owner (not a problem IMO)
Rookie GM
Rookie HC
Rookie DC
Knapp is as clueless as a rookie OC
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Yep!
Big Wiz knew something was fishy and he said screw this….I’m outta here.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am
The Human IQ Retardant is here.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:42 am
still it would be a step up
November 20th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Resumes don’t matter. What matters is wins and losses and how the team is prepared and plays on the field.
The last 3 weeks the team has looked like crap and DA looks either lost or not interested….just staring at the field like a dear in the headlights. No fight in the kid.
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So resumes don’t matter, eh?
Well than, throw out last years 8-8 and tell me how well the team looked the last 5 weeks of the season?
Getting housed just as bad as we have the last few weeks. No fight in the team, no pride to win a home game, a blocked FG away from going 0-5 to end the year.
Great point, thanks.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Hue needs to stay in the NFL. Going to college will effect his NFL career.
If Knapp can find a job as OC (as many times as he did), then I’m sure Hue can find an OC job in the next few years.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:45 am
3-7 is DAs resume….3 of those 7 have not even been close….as mark davis
November 20th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Recipe for success:
Gruden – HC
DA – Def Coord
OC – ?? (restore power blocking scheme)
Tarver – gone
Knapp – gone
Pryor – Switch to slot receiver & get on the field NOW 2012!
DMAC – trade for 2-3rd round pick (if possible)
McClain – trade for anything
Kelly/Huff – restructure
Gone – Smith, Barnes, Carlisle, Seymour
Draft/Free Agency – OL/DB/MLB/RB
November 20th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Hue needs to stay in the NFL. Going to college will effect his NFL career.
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It’s all about getting paid.
Teams rarely hire 55 year old OC’s. He has a few year window to break the bank, and college HC jobs will pay way more than a standard OC gig.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Trade 2 1st round picks for Mike Tomlin.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Right now I turn on the game long enough to see if there’s been any change.
If not, I just shut it off. Too painful to watch. Wrecked the whole season for me.
Couple months I’ll watch a few playoff games. But I don’t really give a f— if the Raiders are out of it or not even remotely competitive. Right now they’re just a light Sunday workout for real NFL teams.
Can’t even watch it. Makes me sick.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:50 am
RaiderO
There in lies our difference.I have followed the Raiders since 1963. I know the history better than most.
I go back to the days of 11th round pick Marv Hubbard following first round pick Gene Upshaw.
Or third rounder Van Eeghan following first rounder Henry Lawrence.
Or Hewritt Dixon following another first round Olineman in Harry Schuh.
Or watching 10th rounder Frank Hawkins follow first round pick Don Mosebar.
You win on the line of scrimmage.
That is how the great Raider teams were built.
Perhaps that was all Ron Wolf.
The fact of the matter is we are weak on both lines and it has much more to do with talent than coaching.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:54 am
I agree Charlie.
I was a little kid standing behind that 4ft chain link fence on the sideline staring up at the likes of Ben w/ his handlebar and The Mad Bomber. stabler always talking to Blanda before he finally got his shot.
Team hasn’t been Raider-like since the Howie Long days.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:54 am
It’s more difficult to get an NFL HC job when you are a 60 yo college HC than getting a college HC position at the same age when you have NFL experience at high level (HC or OC/DC).
November 20th, 2012 at 9:55 am
I think the Bears might go to the Super Bowl with the worst O-line maybe in football.
They certainly will make the playoffs with it.
Can’t make the playoffs with the worst QB in football, or anything closely resembling it.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am
I think Wiz left because they came in and took what was working and changed it to sh@t.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Well Charlie, The owner has spoken that none that nonesense is an excuse because he saw what a rookie coach was able to get out of this same team last year. Reggie comes in and sells him on the idea that the previous coach was not getting all he could get out of the talent available. So which is no talent or under-performing talent?
You can’t have it both ways last years talent went 8-8 and Reggie said he upgraded that talent that went 8-8. So the owner in his mind is saying why if we upgraded the talent we’re worse off and regreessing with better talent?
All you wannabe GM’s think you know but you don’t know who can play and who can’t. Reggie himself said this was a playoff roster when he took over so what the hell happened?
The owner has said that he thinks this is a playoff roster in agreement with the GM and HC. Stop with the excuses everyone in here said our secondary was much better off with the new talent than last year and yet we’re getting smoked on a weekly basis……..someone simply isn’t getting it done and I have a mind to look at management……….period
November 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am
good observation charlie…i agree…problem is this staff has no idea what system they are running…do they draft power linemen? or do they draft bergstrom type? Zbs lineman are easy to get…i would rather have big powerful linemen blocking…
November 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am
It’s more difficult to get an NFL HC job when you are a 60 yo college HC
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60??? Hue’s 47, go to college, turn around a program as a HC for a few years, and he will probably get a HC job in the NFL afterwards.
Keep floudering around in the NFL as a secondary assistant or whatever he is, and he will be clinging to the hopes that the buddy system continues to get him a job.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am
You win on the line of scrimmage.
That is how the great Raider teams were built.
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“Holy Toledo, the Oakland line is just wiping out Minnesota’s front!”
November 20th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Still not seeing how Reg is the problem. He was left a nightmare salary cap and a team with few stars and little depth. He came highly regarded by some impressive football people. DA hired Knapp I believe. Reg deserves another year. DA I’m not so sure.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:59 am
You go back and look at the Oline last year, we got rid of some players that I thought could play. Brought in a G, T and a rookie and on all accts. thos players to a man has been a downgrade. That goes DIRECTLY to the GM’s moves…………….period
November 20th, 2012 at 9:59 am
not just smoked….toasted, buttered and delivered…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:00 am
The fact of the matter is we are weak on both lines and it has much more to do with talent than coaching.
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We are weak on both lines, and that a fact. We disagree on the “why”, I blame the coaches, and you think it’s talent.
What else is new?
You people….
Btw, I’m not saying we are talented, but I think the reason we regressed is coaching and not losing players like Routt and Wimbley.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Weasel
I think too many younger fans are enamored with all the skill position hype, passing stats and big Head Coach reps that make the average fan they can work miracles.
The basics of the game are blocking and tackling.
Always have and always will.
You also had to rush the passer.
Many fans today think that Drew Brees and Tom Brady are top notch.
They never saw Namath, Dawson and Griese get it done.
They never saw the head slap form a Deacon Jones that is now illegal and how Olineman had to still pass protect.
Bottom line is we are weak on both lines and that is where the game is won and lost. You build the lines first not last.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Charlie & Weaselbit:
Just wondering if you remember watching my cousin MLB Dan Conners play back in the day? To me, those were the REAL Raiders… Ruthless, smack you in the mouth then laugh about it type players. Womanized and drank til sun up, then went out and kicked the sh!t out of teams for 60 minutes…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:05 am
charlie i agree with you 100%, i just dont know why reggie allowed da to mess with the oline system..
exactly why reggie is lost…the guy does not lnow what he is doing. i have no idea how he got that talent eye rep….
November 20th, 2012 at 10:07 am
great reading some educated comments in here…i miss those real raiders…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Chico,
Lol
60 was the number that you used, but the idea is the same.
It’s more difficult going colleg to NFL than NFL to college.
So he is good enough to get a college HC position at a good program, but he is not good enough to be an OC or HC?
He will get an OC job in the next few years. If he succeeds, he will be a HC in the NFL again.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Raider O Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:00 am
The fact of the matter is we are weak on both lines and it has much more to do with talent than coaching.
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We are weak on both lines, and that a fact. We disagree on the “why”, I blame the coaches, and you think it’s talent.
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I think it’s both. If I had to pick a main cause, though, it’s talent.
The starting line for the year was Houston, Kelly, Seymour, Shaughnessy
Kelly & Seymour have clearly crossed that point that happens to many a D-lineman on the wrong side of 30. The wear and tear and grind add up. Suddenly, one season you’re pretty good and the very next you’re a liability. Not their fault, but there it is.
Houston is a talented guy who I wish could be more consistent but his whole NFL career has been asked to play LDE when he’s a natural DT. Wish someone would fix this.
Shaughnessy is a 4th round draft pick who’s flashed, but never more than that. Many, including myself, overrated him but it’s clear now that he slid to the mid-rounds for a reason.
For depth:
Desmond Bryant – a UDFA who’s flashed but like Shaughnessy is showing he’s ill-suited for starting duty. A perfectly good backup/spot starter but that’s all.
Dave Tollefson – career backup
Andre Carter – aging vet signed off the scrap heap for depth
Christo Bilukidi – 6th round pick from Postage Stamp U who in no way is acclimated to the NFL yet. Very curious to see what he does next year with his feet under him.
Jack Crawford – 5th round pick who got hurt in camp and has never been able to catch up.
That’s a lot of former talent, middling talent and “maybes” on the defensive line…but not even one genuine superstar/top tier/gamechanging talent.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Raider O
I compare us to real teams like the Ravens, Packers and Giants etc.) Teams that are physical like the Raiders used to be.
When we play those teams we get killed at the line of scrimmage.
No amount of coaching or QB excellence will get us a win.
Last year down the stretch our defense was shredded.
The game against the Packers was a classic case of getting killed on both lines.
Shaugnessy, Kelly, Seymour(who can not even practice) are weak. What data do you have to say otherwise?
They can not rush the passer and we get run on at will.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Big lineman always works.
It is f—ing terrible coaching.
It’s the lack of team leadership and accountability as well.
But it has to be frustrating when you’re in the huddle and you hear plays being called by Krapp that suck and all the players know it.
No one’s trying that hard because what difference does it make? Then when a good play is called they’re already in the rut of futility.
Players are going to want to go to where they can play this game they love and have a shot at winning. Otherwise, you’re risking your life and limb, just for a paycheck.
This is how Belicheck does it.
This is how the Raiders used to do it.
Come to us. We win at any cost. Commitment to excellence.
Starts at the top.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:09 am
I agree that games are won/lost on the lines..
No protection/blocking makes the best QBs and RBs look subpar…
No pass rush or run stopping makes the secondary look subpar…
I dont agree that our D line is weak… Not too many changes I would make other than losing Kelly and definitely Seymour..
The O line however, could use 3 replacements…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
People keep talking about a salary nightmare, well I never saw that stop Mr Davis form getting players to re-neg and get some cap space to do whatever he wanted.
Everyone keeps pointing to the new CBA yet we pay Seymour 15 mill and the QB 11 mill. Those are decisions Reggie could’ve dealt with. Even if he had to move some money here and there that is his job.
My point is not that we aren’t going to the SB or anything it’s the fact that he took a decent team and it’s regressed we’re setting record lows for performance stop making excuses about things that have zero to do with that fact………we should at least have 4-5 wins and NO ONE could complain. But we don’t we’re sitting here 3-7 on the way to 3-8 with what Reggie said was an upgraded roster……..that is the point.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Raider in PA
Remember him well.
#55.
He also had good Dlineman in front of him. Solid front seven.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:11 am
That said, DA’s main mistake was hiring assistants.
Like JFB, I’d rather have Tarver’s head over Knapp’s, but if both would leave it wouldn’t disappoint me.
Even worse may be the hires directly underneath them: Pollack and Williams.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
People keep talking about a salary nightmare, well I never saw that stop Mr Davis form getting players to re-neg and get some cap space to do whatever he wanted.
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Al kept pushing the cap nightmare farther into the future each year. But it was only delaying the inevitable, which is what Reggie had to face.
It’s like living entirely on your credit cards and only ever paying the minimum each month. Eventually you’re going to find yourself screwed.
Al passed on before he had to face it. This was always coming, it was just when.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Charlie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Raider in PA
Remember him well.
#55.
He also had good Dlineman in front of him. Solid front seven.
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That Raiders defense was known as ‘11 angry men’
Our D doesnt play that way these days… The only way to p!$$ them off is if their pay checks dont get directly deposited on time!…lol
November 20th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:55 am
I think the Bears might go to the Super Bowl with the worst O-line maybe in football.
They certainly will make the playoffs with it.
Can’t make the playoffs with the worst QB in football, or anything closely resembling it.
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Steelers won a few SBs with a bad OL. Cutler is not as strong or mobile as Big Ben, they have a great/ special defense, but there are better teams in the NFC.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Briesel has been awful.
By far and away, the worst offseason move of the new front office.
Should have just kept Sam at C, Wiz and Savage at guard, and heck it probably could have been less costly.
Now Briesel is awful, and Wiz is floundering at Center.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Did anyone else see Cork and Tafur absolutely BURYING Campbell on Twitter last night? Funny stuff.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Last year we went into Houston and beat them with their starting QB. We were 7-4 prior to a collapse due to injuries. The coaches are first and foremost in the crosshairs for these wipeout losses………period
November 20th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Briesel has been awful.
By far and away, the worst offseason move of the new front office.
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Yep. I had thought at worst Brisiel would be just an overpaid guy, not overpaid and an active liability.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Conners was vicious. also had vicious D backs behind him. Back then, you were hurtin’ day after you played the Raiders.
I’ve read “They Call Me Assassin”. Good times.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:17 am
i agree with priest as well, salary cap was just something that al always dealt with…he had no problems, got who he wanted. reggie saw numbers and freaked…this isnt a state budget, al manipulated the cap with no problems….reggie has failed at that.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:17 am
We were 7-4 prior to a collapse due to injuries.
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Hahahaha, no.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Felt bad for JC last night… Had to run for his life in Oakland and it wasnt pretty last night either…
If I were him, I’d think shoveling sh!t or anything would be more attractive of a career at this point..
November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Part of the problem with the Seymour deal is that he almost retired as opposed to reporting to Oakland.
Mr Davis made a bad deal.
We still would have lost the draft pick.
Mr Davis had to give a lucrative contract that included extra days off due to Seymour’s physical problems.Seymour was way past his prime and it is another example similar to Javon Walker, Deangelo Hall Gibril Wilson, Warren Sapp etc.
As much as I admire the work Mr Davis did, he hurt this team over the last ten years and it will take two more years of cleaning up to get us to the playoffs.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I’ve read “They Call Me Assassin”. Good times.
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Got an edition of it and “They Still Call Me Assassin” published in a single volume. Great stuff.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I would have liked to see what Al would have done with the 2012 cap.
It’s all speculation, but I doubt it would have been a whole lot prettier.
Either way, he is a HOF GM and was the only guy in the league who “massaged” the cap the way he did. To think a rookie GM, no matter how much or how little he is talented, could just pick up where a quirky, one-of-a kind HOF owner left off, is ridiculously unfair.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
807.Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Last year we went into Houston and beat them with their starting QB. We were 7-4 prior to a collapse due to injuries. The coaches are first and foremost in the crosshairs for these wipeout losses………period
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True, but I think the Texans missing that guy Andre Johnson could have played a little bit into helping the Raiders win. Maybe a little…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Should have just kept Sam at C, Wiz and Savage at guard, and heck it probably could have been less costly.
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I expressed my concern before the season over letting Satele go and moving Wiz to center. I would like to now savor my ‘I told you so’ moment. Lol. Though I would have rather been wrong about that assessment.
Big fail by the coaches and Reggie.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Before the season *started
November 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Charlie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Part of the problem with the Seymour deal is that he almost retired as opposed to reporting to Oakland.
Mr Davis made a bad deal.
We still would have lost the draft pick.
Mr Davis had to give a lucrative contract that included extra days off due to Seymour’s physical problems.Seymour was way past his prime and it is another example similar to Javon Walker, Deangelo Hall Gibril Wilson, Warren Sapp etc.
As much as I admire the work Mr Davis did, he hurt this team over the last ten years and it will take two more years of cleaning up to get us to the playoffs.
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This sounds like an excuse to me, two more years my ass if you go into this with that mindset sure it will take that long. This team could go to the playoff snext year with the right staff. You just need to make a few smart moves and use the talent well. You get Sean Payton or a David Shaw in here and they go right away. Look what Harbaugh did at Stanford and then the Niners it was IMMEDIATE! Same with Sean Payton te talent on this team is misused much more than untalented.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I would have liked to see what Al would have done with the 2012 cap.
It’s all speculation, but I doubt it would have been a whole lot prettier.
Either way, he is a HOF GM and was the only guy in the league who “massaged” the cap the way he did. To think a rookie GM, no matter how much or how little he is talented, could just pick up where a quirky, one-of-a kind HOF owner left off, is ridiculously unfair.
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Great post. I miss AL!
Btw, let’s not compare DA to M Tomlin. DA is a defensive minded HC who is responsible (Tarver too) for a defense that allowed 135 points in 3 games and 30+ points per game.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:30 am
agreed that it shouldnt take two additional years of losing…win now
November 20th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Btw, let’s not compare DA to M Tomlin.
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Up until this horrendous season started, their career arcs were almost identical.
A few years as a DB coach, and winning a Super Bowl doing so. One season as a DC for a playoff team as one of the youngest DC’s in the leauge.
Than the youngest HC in the game.
Completely identical. Just need to work on that two Super Bowl appearance thing, lol.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:32 am
You guys that say look at what Harbaugh, Tomlin and Peyton did are hilarious.
There is not one player on the Raiders defense that could start for any of those teams. And don’t give me coaching. This isn’t Pop Warner, these are grown men who should be playing at a high level. We just don’t have the talent, it’s very easy to see that.
Did you watch the 49ers defensive players last night? They make ours look like they belong in the lingerie league. No fire, passion or heart.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:35 am
DA said that his main job is to manage the Assistants, but the majority of his Assistants have been horrible.
How does he get a free pass in all of this?
Also, I keep hearing about salary cap issues. AD renegotiated salaries every year and it was never a problem. Now all of a sudden its an issue. The San Antonio Spurs used to make the same excuse when Tom Benson owned the team. They would say that they were a small market team and couldn’t compete with larger market teams like the Lakers. But then new management came and and stopped using that as an excuse and turned that franchise around.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Raiders have decent levels of mid-level talent, that’s how you end up at 8-8 for two years in a row.
We have no top-shelf talent. Qb is average, RB is above average when healthy, which is never. WR average and inexperienced. O-line trash. D-line is pretty good at times, awful at others. LB’s, young and no depth. Secondary, underwhelming to say the least.
But hey, we got elite kickers and snappers!!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Oh yeah, Al managed the cap. Great job of managing bloated contracts to players that don’t produce.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Morilla,
you don’t think coaching makes a difference then lets just bring back Tom Walsh and the “Bread and Breakfast Offense”.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:39 am
The 49ers and Raiders defenses are very similar. The only differences are the tackling, discipline and talent..LOL
That was on Vics teitter
November 20th, 2012 at 10:39 am
AD renegotiated salaries every year and it was never a problem.
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Al Davis is in the hall of fame, and had 20+ years of managing the cap HIS OWN way before going into these last few years.
Do you really think that is a fair comparision?
And what does “never a problem” mean? You telling me Al get EVERY FA he wanted? You don’t think he got outbid EVER, due to some constraints?
If it was “never a problem” and he got “Every player he wanted” then why the hell did we set an NFL record for most 10 loss seasons in a row? Did he not know how to judge talent? I am pretty sure he did.
I think people look at Al’s salary cap moves, and like a bad gambler, remember all the wins glowingly and never think about all the losses.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:41 am
DT42 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Morilla,
you don’t think coaching makes a difference then lets just bring back Tom Walsh and the “Bread and Breakfast Offense”.
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If you have talent, you can succeed.
We have no impact players that are consistent.. None, nada, zilch.
Seriously, tell me who the studs are? Who’s lighting it up on film? Who changes and wins games?
This defense is full of mediocracy.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I would have liked to see what Al would have done with the 2012 cap.
It’s all speculation, but I doubt it would have been a whole lot prettier.
Either way, he is a HOF GM and was the only guy in the league who “massaged” the cap the way he did. To think a rookie GM, no matter how much or how little he is talented, could just pick up where a quirky, one-of-a kind HOF owner left off, is ridiculously unfair.
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This too.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:42 am
“Oh yeah, Al managed the cap. Great job of managing bloated contracts to players that don’t produce.”
What that did to us was make us thin at almost every position you cant have depth when you are overspending on players.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
This season is over, and as much as I’d like to blame the skill players this team has no Line Talent. The D-Line is pathetic, incredibly pathetic, cant stop the run, cant pressure the QB, can’t hold’em under 30 points, can’t win a game. The O-line cant open holes for the run game, and can’t protect the QB. AS pathetic as our perimeter players are (WRs, CBs, Ss), we gotta fix the core of the team before we can hope to be competitive. I’m not talking about players only, the coaches gotta go too.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
832.Silverandblack666 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:42 am
“Oh yeah, Al managed the cap. Great job of managing bloated contracts to players that don’t produce.”
What that did to us was make us thin at almost every position you cant have depth when you are overspending on players.
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Lol, or the former 1st round gems he picked up who failed on other teams…One point Gallery was making for dough than the whole rest of our starting OL combined. The left guard was paid more than the center, two tackles and right guard combined…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
The Bears Oline belongs in the Lingerie League….there’s a reason that that was the bets the Niners Dline has looked all year.
The Saints were a mess when Payton took over. The Stanford Cardinal hadn’t won in eons and the Niners were on a 8 YEAR run out of the playoffs……….those situations were not pretty. But they didn’t go in with the mindset that it’s going to take 3-5 years they took what they had made it work……period
Again we won 8 games with a mash unit last year…..we ont win 6 this year………period
The owner and the GM agreed this was a playoff team before the season started so what happened???
November 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
790.Charlie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Weasel
I think too many younger fans are enamored with all the skill position hype, passing stats and big Head Coach reps that make the average fan they can work miracles.
The basics of the game are blocking and tackling.
Always have and always will.
You also had to rush the passer.
Many fans today think that Drew Brees and Tom Brady are top notch.
They never saw Namath, Dawson and Griese get it done.
They never saw the head slap form a Deacon Jones that is now illegal and how Olineman had to still pass protect.
Bottom line is we are weak on both lines and that is where the game is won and lost. You build the lines first not last.
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Charlie, you are quite correct. Too many fans learn about football on the Xbox/Playtion.Also as is the norm everyone wants everything now and for free. Not willing to invest and wait. Show a little patience.
For whatever reason my Raiders have been poor, very poor and average for the past ten years. Rookie everything on ownership/GM/HC and low level talent on the playing side and most of the boggers on here expected 10-6 or better this year. Last year we got lucky against a very poor division and made it to 8-8 so bunker down for some hard times.
Give the management and coaching a chance!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
The problem wasn’t that Al was bad at managing the cap, the problem was the particular players he was trying to keep or obtain.
All evidence shows Al was good at getting who he wanted on board for the most part.
Evidence also shows he made some bad calls on who those players should be.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
This season is over, and as much as I’d like to blame the skill players this team has no Line Talent. The D-Line is pathetic, incredibly pathetic, cant stop the run, cant pressure the QB, can’t hold’em under 30 points, can’t win a game. The O-line cant open holes for the run game, and can’t protect the QB. AS pathetic as our perimeter players are (WRs, CBs, Ss), we gotta fix the core of the team before we can hope to be competitive. I’m not talking about players only, the coaches gotta go too.
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Yup, that’s where it starts. Dline is pure garbage. Qbs don’t even need to wash their jerseys.
Right side oh the Oline is a dumpster fire. Replace that. Get a Center and move Wiz back to Gaurd.
Secondary, clean house. Send them all to the Iowa Barnstormers.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Another thing. Marcel Reece should be our starting HB. DMAC and Taiwan can run like the wind in their track cleats, but I’ll take Reece for gametime.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I’ve read “They Call Me Assassin”. Good times.
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Got an edition of it and “They Still Call Me Assassin” published in a single volume. Great stuff.
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Dont miss ‘Snake’ and ‘Badasses’….. Those were the days…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:49 am
I guess Tedford got the boot!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Some of you people are funny. You pick a side and go all in. Did Davis mismanage contracts? Yes. Was it so bad that we couldn’t compete and had to succumb to this current Schit hole we’re in? No.
As usual, the answer is somewhere in the middle. Even management and ownership felt we could at least compete with our current roster. Was it a Super Bowl roster? No. But Was it the 2nd/3rd worst roster in the NFL? No.
Nobody is expecting Super Bowl but current level of play is unacceptable.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:49 am
ad was a hof gm…part of that was salary cap management no doubt….he did get outbid every now and then, won some, lost some….specifically lost out on kapernick…reggie has failed at all of his personell moves…he either needs to up his game or get gone.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:50 am
The Saints were a mess when Payton took over.
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Having a hurricane and playing your “home” games on the road will do that to you.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:52 am
The defense….LOL, we’ve got two or three average starters on D. The rest are bench warmers… Not one playmaker, and those take years to find.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
The Bears Oline belongs in the Lingerie League….there’s a reason that that was the bets the Niners Dline has looked all year.
The Saints were a mess when Payton took over. The Stanford Cardinal hadn’t won in eons and the Niners were on a 8 YEAR run out of the playoffs……….those situations were not pretty. But they didn’t go in with the mindset that it’s going to take 3-5 years they took what they had made it work……period
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What? Those teams methodically built their squads with talented players. They were very successful at evaluating talent and accumulating it. You think the 49ers just came out of no where? Really? They’ve been building for years.
An what’s even worse, the 49ers defense has taken over from what the Raiders use to be. A bunch of mean mothertruckers that people fear to play. They are the best in the league.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
calling for reece to start over dmc is just plain dvmb…
November 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
I watched last night as the NIners dismantled the Bears but I also saw the Niners lose to Minn and basically lose to the Rams. You know why in those games they were outcoached plain and simple.
You cna put players in position to win and you can put them in position to lose. Scheme is not nearly as important as GAME PLANNING. THis team goes into games porely prepared to win, the gameplans are not set to have the players have success as much as they’re are to execute their system.
Harbaughs strengths are not his system it’s his gameplans from team to team they’re damn near brilliant. Gameplanning and playcalling are what give players the opportunity to be successful. That is where these coaches show on a wek to week basis that they have no clue…………..period
November 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Bill Bellicheck’s resume at 40 years old is nothing compared to DA’s.
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You keep saying that but it isn’t true. Bellicheck was 39 years old when he was named head coach of the Cleveland Browns. He had already won 2 Super Bowls with the Giants as the DC.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick
November 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Last year we got lucky against a very poor division and made it to 8-8 so bunker down for some hard times.
Give the management and coaching a chance!
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I’m sick of hearing how “lucky” we were to get to 8-8.
It’s funny that any semblence of success gets minimized as being “lucky” by the “fans”.
Guys here saying the 8-8 was “lucky” cuz we won close game that “could’ve gone either way”.
Do you realize how many close games the ‘76 Raiders won?
Barely beat Chicago on a last second fg that doinked off the upright. Barely beat GB at home. Had to comeback with 17 unanswered late in the 4th quarter to beat Pittsburgh in week one.
I’m not comparing last yr’s team to the 76 team, just pointing out that in this league teams win close games, and those wins should be discounted.
I love the guy who said we can’t count the win in SD cuz “Palmer was playing in his back yard from his home in LaJolla”. Gimme a break.
“You are who your record says you are” says Bill Parcells, and he’s right.
We are bad enough this yr. that we have to discount the few successes we have had.
Let’s dissect every other teams schedules and discount those teams that had “weak” schedules as well.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:58 am
One last thing: FIRE THE SPECIAL TEAMS COACH!!!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
I watched last night as the NIners dismantled the Bears but I also saw the Niners lose to Minn and basically lose to the Rams. You know why in those games they were outcoached plain and simple.
You cna put players in position to win and you can put them in position to lose. Scheme is not nearly as important as GAME PLANNING. THis team goes into games porely prepared to win, the gameplans are not set to have the players have success as much as they’re are to execute their system.
Harbaughs strengths are not his system it’s his gameplans from team to team they’re damn near brilliant. Gameplanning and playcalling are what give players the opportunity to be successful. That is where these coaches show on a wek to week basis that they have no clue…………..period
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The 49ers success lies in the fact that they are stocked with studs on both sides of the ball.
We are stocked with duds.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Morilla, listen man if you think the Niners had this all world team last year you just don’t know football. Their defense was talented yes but what Harbaugh did with Alex Smith last year deserves a freaking medal. He just took what he was given and made it what he wanted it to become. All they had last year were two TE’s and a RB and a bad QB and HE made it work………..period
November 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Yeah Reggie ran off some of those studs, The Niners have a bunch of guys that are very well coached. I know this goes over your head but those guys are just very well coached..period
November 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
The reason guys discount last yr’s record is becuz they don’t wanna face the fact that Hue Jackson did much better with basically the same talent.
It pains and frustrates them to make the comparison so they say “Well….we were in a weak division and….you can’t count some of those games, and they were a mirage…i don’t care what the scoreboard says…we really should have lost”.
8-8 is not anything to write home about in the first place so why try and minimize it?
It’s simple. Hue was an Al guy and people hate Al Davis and are happier than pigs in slop that he’s gone.
I get it.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Charlie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Name a fully manned, good playoff team that we beat last year.(Denver with Orton and Chicago w/o Cutler do not count).
When we faced good competition the last ten years we got crushed.Lokk what happened to us down the stretch last year. Remember Green Bay and Miami?
About as close as we have come to beating a good team in recent memory is Atlanta this year.
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Exactly, I have been telling these guys about our last 2 years being fluke , we swept the division in 10 and went 2 outta 10 in outta division games, we won 6 games against weak opponents last year 1 against broken up SD line, other we would have lost had the guys not played hearts out after Al D passed n even that 1 came down to last play , so it’s simple we can beat below average to average teams , but we always get crushed against good teams, teams with good lines on both sides , we need to get pas rusher in FA and Draft and DT in draft , couple of Oline in draft
November 20th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Yeah Reggie ran off some of those studs,
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What studs?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Last year under Wylie and Wiz these guys played a lot better than they are this year…..They were used much better than they are this year.
Look at the Niners formations the 7 man lines on short yardage they put them in position to succeed…period
November 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am
its true…they cant see what a terrible mess reggie has done to this team.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:05 am
If you guys didn’t read it Richard Seymour effectively put the kabosh on the ill conceived and bogus notion that Hue “lost the lockerroom and aliented the team”.
Look it up.
I know, I know “Seymour is just making that up”.
Yep..okay.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Hue didn’t lose the locker room. He lost the owner and the new GM. It is no one but Hue’s fault that he got fired.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:08 am
DJ Johnny Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
The reason guys discount last yr’s record is becuz they don’t wanna face the fact that Hue Jackson did much better with basically the same talent.
It pains and frustrates them to make the comparison so they say “Well….we were in a weak division and….you can’t count some of those games, and they were a mirage…i don’t care what the scoreboard says…we really should have lost”.
8-8 is not anything to write home about in the first place so why try and minimize it?
It’s simple. Hue was an Al guy and people hate Al Davis and are happier than pigs in slop that he’s gone.
I get it.
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No it doesn’t come from the hate for al or anything, just the way I see it, you can say 8 wins are ,8 wins all you like ,but you can’t discount that all those came against weak teams except 1 , we would b on par with last year ,if we faced the same teams , another thing I like to point out is ,other teams improved with FA and Draft ,and we were cutting loose our players just to comply with salary cap rules , you can say 8 wins all you want ,but reality is we got crushed when ever we faced good teams , this team is not good enough yet , I wish Hue was here too, but he wasn’t really going to do much to offset our D’s deficiencies , no matter who is the DCo , if you got no pass rushers on your team, you can’t pass rush ,period.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
either stupid or blind…thats the reggie/da lovers right now…
November 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Priest
Hate to disagree but we are too far gone especially on the lines to think we can do it in 2013.
I hope I am wrong but I have been seeing this train wreck coming and I have been warning fans that we are going about this the wrong way. The game is won in the box and we have ignored that area for too long.
You need to build the lines first.
The problem is it takes about three years to build those units because most of it needs to be done through the draft. The cap does not allow you to do it any other way.
Coaching changes, new schemes all sound nice and they can be done ON PAPER WITH A STROKE OF A PEN.
Then reality sets in and for the 10th YEAR IN A ROW we miss the playoffs. More disturbing is we get CONTINUALLY CRUSHED BY GOOD TEAMS. If we could at least keep it close I would have some hope. We just get bulldozed by teams just like last year down the stretch.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Last year under Wylie and Wiz these guys played a lot better than they are this year…..They were used much better than they are this year.
Look at the Niners formations the 7 man lines on short yardage they put them in position to succeed…period
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??? Last years right side was still complete garbage. Nothing’s changed. Only thing different is that we have a Gaurd playing Center.
Don’t compare the Raiders Oline to the Niners. Not even close.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Big Wiz, could see these guys didn’t know what they were doing and didn’t wnat any part of it. Lil Wiz is playing out of position and asked to do something he’s NOT GOOD at doing. Same with DMC
I think Wiz liked the young talent he had a hand in bring in and Reggie and DA didn’t. So Wiz said ADIOS!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am
I mean good lord, we were praying for Kalif Barnes to get healthy. Are you kidding me?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Even if Hue was here , we are still looking at 3 wins , which good team besides Houston did we beat last year? It would have been same story and no I don’t hate hue , I wanted him back after last year with better DCO ,but more you’re watching this team and you check the teams we beat you will realize too we’re in deep sh1t ,it’s going to take good Reg offseason in 13 to fix th1s sh1t
November 20th, 2012 at 11:13 am
If you were named GM, would you keep the guy who traded away two of your high draft picks, proclaimed it the ‘greatest trade ever’, finished 8-8, and lost the division to Tim Tebow? And then starts talking sh*t how he’s going to run the team in the future. I wouldn’t.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Last years right side was tons better than this year. So we’ll just have to disagree and we never gave Bruce Campbell and Barksdale a chance just like we never gave Kevin Boothe a chance and all he’s done is start for the SB winning NYG’s since he left here when Cable got rid of him for Cooper Carlisle.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Charlie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Priest
Hate to disagree but we are too far gone especially on the lines to think we can do it in 2013.
I hope I am wrong but I have been seeing this train wreck coming and I have been warning fans that we are going about this the wrong way. The game is won in the box and we have ignored that area for too long.
You need to build the lines first.
The problem is it takes about three years to build those units because most of it needs to be done through the draft. The cap does not allow you to do it any other way.
Coaching changes, new schemes all sound nice and they can be done ON PAPER WITH A STROKE OF A PEN.
Then reality sets in and for the 10th YEAR IN A ROW we miss the playoffs. More disturbing is we get CONTINUALLY CRUSHED BY GOOD TEAMS. If we could at least keep it close I would have some hope. We just get bulldozed by teams just like last year down the stretch.
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Good post, and please ignore Al_is_thr_Raiders ,he’s Herrera .
November 20th, 2012 at 11:15 am
DJ
I liked Hue and I wish he was still here.
As I said, last year down the stretch we got pummelled by good teams.
Look at the record!!
Green Bay, SD and Miami kicked our A$$.
We blew a big lead to the Lions.
We lost our last 4 out of 5 giving up an average of 38 a game in the losses.
Hue was a good coach but we still got our butts kicked.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Last years right side was tons better than this year. So we’ll just have to disagree and we never gave Bruce Campbell and Barksdale a chance just like we never gave Kevin Boothe a chance and all he’s done is start for the SB winning NYG’s since he left here when Cable got rid of him for Cooper Carlisle.
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Cambell and Barksdale never got a chance because they aren’t any good.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Last years right side was tons better than this year. So we’ll just have to disagree and we never gave Bruce Campbell and Barksdale a chance just like we never gave Kevin Boothe a chance and all he’s done is start for the SB winning NYG’s since he left here when Cable got rid of him for Cooper Carlisle.
- yeah it looked good against weak teams, when we faced good teams they ate that line for lunch, we have looked good against Jax and KC this year…
November 20th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Yeah We would have probably scored a few more points with Hue and that O line , but reality is we would lose against good teams, we weren’t going to stop good passing teams with that scrub team, we weren’t going to go head to head with good Os with those RecEivers we have
November 20th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
The Bears Oline belongs in the Lingerie League….there’s a reason that that was the bets the Niners Dline has looked all year.
The Saints were a mess when Payton took over. The Stanford Cardinal hadn’t won in eons and the Niners were on a 8 YEAR run out of the playoffs……….those situations were not pretty. But they didn’t go in with the mindset that it’s going to take 3-5 years they took what they had made it work……period
Again we won 8 games with a mash unit last year…..we ont win 6 this year………period
The owner and the GM agreed this was a playoff team before the season started so what happened???
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Yeah, I agree completely. If it’s good coaches it would show IMPROVEMENT.
Hue was definitely a better play caller.
The defense actually looked better under Bresnehan (that’s about as big of an insult as you can give).
The O-Line definitely looked better last year with basically the same personnel (1 different).
Our main RB definitely looked better and until they were hit in the face with it, they didn’t even utilize Reece who’s a hellova weapon.
The only unit who maybe is playing better this year on the whole team is the LBs.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Maybe we could bring back Nnamdi and Routt next year on the cheap.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Priest, why dont you call Gary and voice all this?…I got you back in…at least show a little gratitude towards me for fixing your problem,..and call him, hes waiting. Youre welcome you ingrate.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Nnambdi would love to be a Raider next year,..he loves LA.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Quit fooling yourselves that Cable and Hue were good coaches. Al took what he could get when it came to coaches. The best candidates wouldn’t even consider working for Davis. Cable sucked, Hue sucked, and unfortunately it looks like Dennis Allen may suck too.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Bob, who is Gary?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Bench Huff NOW!!! He’s fu**in killing us!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am
I mean good lord, we were praying for Kalif Barnes to get healthy. Are you kidding me?
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My point exactly and that is just how bad the guy who Reggie brought in. What was wrong with keeping Barksdale? Based on what I’m seeing now I think that would’ve been the right move. But Reggie thinks he’s some genius and he brings in a turnstile and penalty machine in Brisiel. That’s what we got a bunch a crap instead of developing the talent we had.
Pat Lee at corner was there answer for Chekwa and DVD and they even CUT HIM! Reggie is chasing his tail truth be told.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am
799.Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
People keep talking about a salary nightmare, well I never saw that stop Mr Davis form getting players to re-neg and get some cap space to do whatever he wanted.
Everyone keeps pointing to the new CBA yet we pay Seymour 15 mill and the QB 11 mill. Those are decisions Reggie could’ve dealt with. Even if he had to move some money here and there that is his job.
My point is not that we aren’t going to the SB or anything it’s the fact that he took a decent team and it’s regressed we’re setting record lows for performance stop making excuses about things that have zero to do with that fact………we should at least have 4-5 wins and NO ONE could complain. But we don’t we’re sitting here 3-7 on the way to 3-8 with what Reggie said was an upgraded roster……..that is the point.
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Disagree. Sure Al played the cap game, but it never translated to wins, so saying that the cap can be manipulated is meaningless. You can start 10 guys on defense every play, but you aren’t going to win. Al’s ineffective management of the salary cap and free agency in general are the exact reason we have been weak and not competitive for the last 11 years.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:29 am
882.DaRaiders022 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Bench Huff NOW!!! He’s fu**in killing us!!!
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And start who? Huff is our best DB right now by a country mile.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:29 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Priest, why dont you call Gary and voice all this?…I got you back in…at least show a little gratitude towards me for fixing your problem,..and call him, hes waiting. Youre welcome you ingrate.
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Man if I call Gary will you leave me alone?
What makes you so sure Gary wants me to call him?…….lol
November 20th, 2012 at 11:30 am
758.DKnight007 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am
698.GreatWhiteRaider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
The Raiders have too many inexperienced people in Leadership positions and need to bring in some people who have done it before. ^^^^^^^
Yep.
Can’t have rookies at the most important positions. Owner, GM and head coach.
If Reid is available after this season. McK should make a hard push to get him and see if Reid can or if DA is willing to be stay on as Reids DC.
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Off the top of my head, Atlanta hired Diemtrioff or whatever his name is to be a GM and he’s done well. But for an unorthodox organization like the Raiders that it was under Al, having 3 guys who are new at their positions to fill that vacuum is just asking a lot out of them. Emotionally, I’d love to see Chucky, but practicaly, maybe Holmgren? (GB connection with Reggie, SB winner, front office experience as well) might be a good fit?
As for DA, I would hope for his sake that he has the self-respect to leave the organization before taking a demotion. In that kind of situation, it’s just best for everybody to move on. Plus, how could the players take him seriously and actually listen to him after he was neutered like that? #hashtag STOOGE.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Gotta go fellas have a good day….
November 20th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I wonder when Mistic is going to give us his take on last night’s game. He’s been conspicuously absent.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Aaron Curry @AaronCurry51
Yes I will miss the #BlackHole and all of #RaiderNation! It’s been an amazing time in the Bay! **packs box**
November 20th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Last years right side was tons better than this year. So we’ll just have to disagree and we never gave Bruce Campbell and Barksdale
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Barksdale wasn’t a fit for our ZBS, so they moved on from him. He started 2 games in STL because of injury and he has since been deactivated again.
Bruce Campbell has only been activated by Carolina for 3 games, and hasn’t played at all. I think we did ok on that trade.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Curry cut. JFB and Dakota will certainly be happy.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Trade Palmer and next years #1 to the whiners for Kaepernick…
Start calling me an imbecil in 3, 2, 1….
November 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am
893.Raider-in-PA Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Trade Palmer and next years #1 to the whiners for Kaepernick…
Start calling me an imbecil in 3, 2, 1….
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not an imbecile at all, I think he is already and will be a solid NFL QB. We just have WAY more pressing concerns to improve on than the QB position, so we need that pick!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
and the stupid moves continue…reggie is a complete dvmbaszzzz but hey burris can maje a tackle…ten yards downfield.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
bcz24 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:29 am
882.DaRaiders022 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Bench Huff NOW!!! He’s fu**in killing us!!!
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And start who? Huff is our best DB right now by a country mile.
Our best CB? I’ll take chances on a rookie instead of continuing to watch the backside of #24 chasing receivers after they’ve caught the ball for 20+ yards!
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:46 am
Raider O Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:21 am
You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
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BS!
Gallery
Grove
Mario
Vledheer
Barksdale
Wiz
26 yo rookie
All drafted in 1st 3 rounds in the last 8 years.
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Mario Veldheer Barksdale…4th rounders
26 yo rookie (Bergstrom)…very last pick of the 3rd round
C’mon You People.