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Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings

By Steve Corkran
Monday, November 19th, 2012 at 5:20 pm in Oakland Raiders.

By Jerry McDonald
Staff writer

Owner Mark Davis isn’t the only person who has a problem with the way the Raiders have played over the past three weeks.

“Hey, I’m right there with him,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said Monday at his weekly press conference. “I’m frustrated. I’m disappointed. You wake up in the morning and your gut hurts.

“At the same time, when a man gets knocked down he gets up and fights. And that’s exactly what we intend to do. I understand his frustration; I can appreciate that. Let me tell you there’s nobody that’s going to work any harder to get it corrected than I will.”

Davis had an impromptu meeting with the press following Sunday’s 38-17 loss to New Orleans, saying he was a patient man but unhappy with “regression.”

When asked if general manager Reggie McKenzie and Allen received a pass this year because of salary cap issues and injuries, Davis said, “I wouldn’t call it a pass. They’ve got contracts, they’re going to be here.”

Next up for the Raiders is a visit to Cincinnati on Sunday and with it the twin storylines of Carson Palmer’s return to Paul Brown Stadium and former Raiders coach Hue Jackson being on the opposite sideline with the Bengals as an assistant coach.

Beating the Bengals, 5-5, after an unprecedented three-game stretch during which the Raiders have given up 135 points, would brighten the outlook considerably.

“When you lose, it hurts, rips your gut out,” Allen said. “A win turns everything around. A win makes everybody feels a lot better. And that’s what we need to do. We need to come together as a football team and all make a decision that we’re going to do what it takes to win football games.”

Allen’s message to the team was to stick together and Palmer believes his talk hit the mark.

“His message was really good, spoken from a guy who’s been on good teams, been on bad teams and been the middle also,” Palmer said. “I think this team will respond very well to his message. We have to stick together. I don’t think that’s an issue. We know what areas we need to improve on. This is a group that is not going to shy away from that.”

The Raiders issues have remained fairly constant since the season began. Offensively, they’ve had difficulty running the ball, although Marcel Reece had 103 yards on 19 carries against New Orleans. They’ve had difficulty converting third downs and in the red zone.

Defensively, the Raiders have had periods of being unable to stop both the run and pass, and against New Orleans both problems were in evidence at the same time.

“I think consistency has been our biggest Achilles’ heel,” Palmer said. “We’ve put together great plays or a great quarter or a great half on every side of the ball. But consistently doing it — the teams that win consistently in this league play consistently well four quarters of the game.”

Defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who has missed the last two games with a hamstring strain, agreed.

“It isn’t the most talented teams that win in this league, it’s the teams that do everything right over and over and over again,” Seymour said. “We’ve been inconsistent at times, offense, defense and special teams. Any time that happens, the record speaks for itself.”

– Allen hopes to see players such as Seymour (hamstring), Darren McFadden (ankle), Mike Goodson (ankle) and Tyvon Branch (neck) back on the practice field, but made it a point to say injuries were no excuse and had no information as to whether any or all could return this week.

– One of the people Allen has sought for counsel is Dan Reeves, the head coach in Atlanta when he had his first NFL job.

– Asked if he has enough good players to turn things around, Allen said, “I firmly believe that. I think of you look at it the other way around that’s an excuse, a crutch to say you can’t get it done.”

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  • MiamiRaider78

    I still remember Randy Jordan dropping that ball in the end zone against the Ravens. That hurt…

    Was it Jordan? lol Was a long time ago

    Good morning gentleman!

  • hwnrdr

    DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 6:43 am
    POPE & DORSETT WAIVING AT SHANNON SHARP AS HE IS RUNNING DOWN THE FIELD, AND THE TD PASS TO RISON CALLD BACK FOR A “PUSHOFF” R THE NIGHTMARES 4 ME..

    Yeah I remember that! I was still in Hawaii at that time. Moved up a couple weeks later!

  • fingers

    My girlfriend and I stayed at the Holiday inn across the street for that 2000 game …we thought the Raiders Offense was too much for the Ravens D… Boy were we wrong…. Especially after Gannon left … Tui was no match for the Ravens D

  • http://www.safc.com/the-club/stadium/about-the-stadium-of-light neilb

    hwnrdr Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 6:39 am
    I remember when Goose retired and came back to commentate on a game in Oakland, and all the fans in the black hole were throwing all kinds of crap at him. the announcers in the booth asked him if he thought that the fans would forget what he did to their qb…funny stuff

    =======================================================

    I remember that.He said the fans were waving at him – just they were using only one finger.

  • fingers

    Lol…hey Goose… F you…

  • J Hill

    Is Kapernicky better than Pryor?

  • hwnrdr

    Actually that was that guy from Philly right? Oh goodness what was his name?

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    J Hill Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 am
    Is Kapernicky better than Pryor?
    ——–
    It sure looks like it. Pryor may be a better runner.

  • hwnrdr

    Bobby Hoying

  • MiamiRaider78

    I wish we could see what TP could do already. The only thing that can happen now to Palmer is for him to get hurt and for us to be on the hook for the rest of his salary.

    Fire Knapp and make him the O.C lol

  • J Hill

    It sure looks like it.

    ———————————————————————–

    Based on what?

    I think most people, well I’ll speak for myself, thought Kapernicky was Pryor BEFORE last night.

    I didn’t see any part of last night’s game, but the score makes me even MORE curious to see Pryor.

    Stash Palmer on the bench to keep him healthy for a trade.

  • LondonAl

    MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 4:35 am
    LondonAl Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 3:05 am
    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    cant wait until they fire danus allen, reggie too
    ============================

    Tell us what happens after that event? How will it benefit the team and the fans?

    =========
    We hire someone the players will believe in.

    ============================
    Can you tell us which players we have now who are not performing under DA and who are also talented and game changers?

  • MiamiRaider78

    Anyone got some good ideas/ingredients for a good brine for a turkey?

    I want some Raider Nation ideas!

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    J Hill Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 7:13 am
    It sure looks like it.

    ———————————————————————–

    Based on what?

    I think most people, well I’ll speak for myself, thought Kapernicky was Pryor BEFORE last night.

    I didn’t see any part of last night’s game, but the score makes me even MORE curious to see Pryor.

    Stash Palmer on the bench to keep him healthy for a trade.
    ——–
    Based on what we have seen from Pryor. I haven’t seen Pryor throw passes as accurate and hard as Kaepernick. He didn’t do it in the preseason, and he didn’t do it in college.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    I didn’t see any part of last night’s game, but the score makes me even MORE curious to see Pryor.
    ——-
    If you watched last night’s game, you wouldn’t be comparing the 2 QBs. Kaepernick looked better than half the starters in the NFL last night, including Palmer.

  • Charlie

    I finally figured out why so many people on this blog think that by changing schemes, a QB or a coach things will get better.

    It is because it is perceived as easy, can be done quickly and as a result it gives fans hope.

    People, we are not going to fix 10 years of mismanagement in one season.
    No coach will ever say he lacks roster talent.(Except Callahan).
    Even the average fan should be able to see that we lack even average NFL talent especially on the line of scrimmage.
    If you do not see that you do not understand the game.

    Let’s try to do things the right way.
    Keep a scheme and staff in place for more than one season.
    Draft good players along the line of scrimmage.
    Assuming we do that, we will start to be competitive in 2014.
    The frightful, embarrassing beatings we take when playing average to good teams is evidence enough that we have a long way to go. (Please do not be deluded by the Steeler game. We were outplayed that day by a flat team that turned it over too many times. We did not beat the Steelers,they beat themselves.)

    As a life long Raider fan I am not happy about it, but I am a realist. If you do not have the stomach for this take a break from the NFL and we can talk in 2014.

  • fingers

    659.. Correct… It was Hoying…

  • Al_is_theraiders

    hanson, adams, burris, bilukudi, bartell, gio

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Raiders ranked #29 in PFT power polls. I don’t get it. I would put them at #31.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    def not fixing 10 years mismanagement by letting reggie have 3 more to do worse….

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    J Hill Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 am
    Is Kapernicky better than Pryor?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    More accurate and a stronger arm (better coaches), but TP is a better athlete.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am
    def not fixing 10 years mismanagement by letting reggie have 3 more to do worse….
    ——
    Herrera, I thought you were retired. Go place golf.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I finally figured out why so many people on this blog think that by changing schemes, a QB or a coach things will get better.

    It is because it is perceived as easy, can be done quickly and as a result it gives fans hope.

    People, we are not going to fix 10 years of mismanagement in one season.
    No coach will ever say he lacks roster talent.(Except Callahan).
    Even the average fan should be able to see that we lack even average NFL talent especially on the line of scrimmage.
    If you do not see that you do not understand the game.

    Let’s try to do things the right way.
    Keep a scheme and staff in place for more than one season.
    Draft good players along the line of scrimmage.
    Assuming we do that, we will start to be competitive in 2014.
    The frightful, embarrassing beatings we take when playing average to good teams is evidence enough that we have a long way to go. (Please do not be deluded by the Steeler game. We were outplayed that day by a flat team that turned it over too many times. We did not beat the Steelers,they beat themselves.)

    As a life long Raider fan I am not happy about it, but I am a realist. If you do not have the stomach for this take a break from the NFL and we can talk in 2014.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    So Denver can change their scheme (offense) to fit Tebow during the season AND WIN, but we need years?
    You People …..

  • Charlie

    Al

    No one on this earth, can undue the damage of poor contracts like Seymour, the lack of draft picks and poor drafts such as JR Buchanon, Tyler Brayton, Teyo Johnson, Tui, Nap Harris, Fabian Washington etc etc.

    Time is all we have. We did not have money or picks.
    Bartell, Spencer, Tollefson etc were all available for a reason.

    Too many holes and too few resources. Sorry but reality in terms of records and stats speak.
    Continue to be prepared for a frightful beating in Cincy this week.

    When we start to draft Oline and Dline in the first two rounds you know we will be back.

  • Charlie

    Raider o

    Take a look at what Denver has drafted for the last SIX years and what they have done to build their LINES.

    Do you know football???????
    Denver has drafted 8 players in the box over the last six years with picks in either the 1st or 2nd round.

    You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.

    Why do you think Peyton went there?

    WAKE UP!!!

  • Marks hair

    We need a safety.. look no further than thorpe award finalist phillip thomas fresno st. Ballhawk

  • Marks hair

    Peyton went to Denver because they let him install his own playbook

  • No Mas Diamante

    Kapernick played behind a very very good offensive line last night. That really helps. just junk the zbs and spend some draft picks on some quality players on both sides of the line.

  • Marks hair

    Play tp trade palmer and everybody else

  • Marks hair

    I had a feeling kap would go off.. he was beast at nevada

  • No Mas Diamante

    Agree Marks Hair. What do we really have to lose at this point? We are not going to make the playoffs. Lets start evaluating for next year. Get them some playing time and experiance now when it no longer matters. TP, Ausberry, bergstrom, T. Jones, etc.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Charlie Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:01 am
    Raider o

    Take a look at what Denver has drafted for the last SIX years and what they have done to build their LINES.

    Do you know football???????
    Denver has drafted 8 players in the box over the last six years with picks in either the 1st or 2nd round.

    You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.

    Why do you think Peyton went there?

    WAKE UP!!!
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

    Do you watch the Raiders?
    Do you know your team?
    Our OL wasn’t a problem last year.
    Our DL regressed from last year.

    Stop with the excuses. It’s disgusting.

  • Marks hair

    Yeah.. everybodys catching up to the hair.. no playoffs no playmakers on d… no chance in hèll.. we should have done the firesale.. too late now so shelve anybody trade worthy for next yr…

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Alcon Smith > V Miller.
    Chico?

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Aldon*

  • Marks hair

    Smith is a beast.. the whiners have been doing everthing right lately.. especially finding the right coach..

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    They should make Pryor active and make him the #2 QB. Then wait till week 15 against the Chiefs to start him. Give him the last 3 games to show what he can do.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!

    BS!
    Gallery
    Grove
    Mario
    Vledheer
    Barksdale
    Wiz
    26 yo rookie
    All drafted in 1st 3 rounds in the last 8 years.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    We traded a 1st for Seymour
    Houston was a 2nd round pick
    Shaugnessy was a 3rd
    McClain was the 8th pick

    That’s in the last 4 years.

    What an ignorant statement!

  • Marks hair

    It doesn’t matter what round you find your players in, you just have to find great players.. and dont regress them to death under a shìt coaching staff

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
    ——-
    We haven’t ignored the box. We have just been picking the wrong players, or not developing them. Hopefully having a real GM now will fix this situation.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Marks Hair Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am
    It doesn’t matter what round you find your players in, you just have to find great players.. and dont regress them to death under a shìt coaching staff
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Exactly. The Giants invest a lot in their DL, but they find good talented OL in later rounds.

  • Marks hair

    Code no more bullshìt!

  • DKnight007

    Like I said.

    If this team is truly going to rebuild, then McK might as well trade their best asset and best player in DMC and get as many high picks as they can for him.

    McK should talk to the Jets.

    I bet the Jets would give up a 1st and a 3rd in this years draft for DMC. Or they would at least give up a 2nd and 4th in this years draft and and possibly a 1st or 2nd in next years draft for DMC.

    It pains me to say that McK must consider trading away DMC, but that is the only way to get some much needed draft picks. Especially since we have a bum of an OC like Knapp who runs a system that doesn’t fit the strengths of DMC.

    Then with those draft picks, we rebuild the D and get another RB and RT.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:27 am
    You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
    ——-
    We haven’t ignored the box. We have just been picking the wrong players, or not developing them.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$

    Good point. How many players did we develop in the last 5+ years? 1? Nnamdi

  • Marks hair

    We had the best oline coach and dline coach around…. Losing them has been devastating.. wiz leaving wasnt good for us either.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Marks Hair Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:29 am
    Code no more bullshìt!
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    lol

    Code 10 & Then!

  • GreatWhiteRaider

    The Raiders have too many inexperienced people in Leadership positions and need to bring in some people who have done it before. Reggie, DA et all may be very talented guys who know football, but all of them together under these circumstances is just not working.

    Perception is reality, after losing for over a decade, the Raiders have a credibility problem and need to show their fans that they can right the ship. Bringing in guys with no track record at their current position does not solve that.

    Whether it’s Chucky, Holmgren or Andy Reid, the Raiders need a proven guy to bring in some stability and experience to get this sorted out.

    If you want a rookie GM…hire a coach with experience. If you want a rookie coach, pair him with a GM who knows the terrain and can run the organization.

    Unfortunately everything these guys have done has blown up in their faces and because they are all new, it looks really bad. President, GM, HC….one or two of those positions needs an experienced (successful track record) guy.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Marks Hair Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:32 am
    We had the best oline coach and dline coach around…. Losing them has been devastating.. wiz leaving wasnt good for us either.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    I think it’s obvious why the Wiz left us. Look at our OL!

  • No Mas Diamante

    We have spent high picks on the lines but it aint working. Maybe it’s the way we evaluate talent.