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Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings

By Steve Corkran
Monday, November 19th, 2012 at 5:20 pm in Oakland Raiders.

By Jerry McDonald
Staff writer

Owner Mark Davis isn’t the only person who has a problem with the way the Raiders have played over the past three weeks.

“Hey, I’m right there with him,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said Monday at his weekly press conference. “I’m frustrated. I’m disappointed. You wake up in the morning and your gut hurts.

“At the same time, when a man gets knocked down he gets up and fights. And that’s exactly what we intend to do. I understand his frustration; I can appreciate that. Let me tell you there’s nobody that’s going to work any harder to get it corrected than I will.”

Davis had an impromptu meeting with the press following Sunday’s 38-17 loss to New Orleans, saying he was a patient man but unhappy with “regression.”

When asked if general manager Reggie McKenzie and Allen received a pass this year because of salary cap issues and injuries, Davis said, “I wouldn’t call it a pass. They’ve got contracts, they’re going to be here.”

Next up for the Raiders is a visit to Cincinnati on Sunday and with it the twin storylines of Carson Palmer’s return to Paul Brown Stadium and former Raiders coach Hue Jackson being on the opposite sideline with the Bengals as an assistant coach.

Beating the Bengals, 5-5, after an unprecedented three-game stretch during which the Raiders have given up 135 points, would brighten the outlook considerably.

“When you lose, it hurts, rips your gut out,” Allen said. “A win turns everything around. A win makes everybody feels a lot better. And that’s what we need to do. We need to come together as a football team and all make a decision that we’re going to do what it takes to win football games.”

Allen’s message to the team was to stick together and Palmer believes his talk hit the mark.

“His message was really good, spoken from a guy who’s been on good teams, been on bad teams and been the middle also,” Palmer said. “I think this team will respond very well to his message. We have to stick together. I don’t think that’s an issue. We know what areas we need to improve on. This is a group that is not going to shy away from that.”

The Raiders issues have remained fairly constant since the season began. Offensively, they’ve had difficulty running the ball, although Marcel Reece had 103 yards on 19 carries against New Orleans. They’ve had difficulty converting third downs and in the red zone.

Defensively, the Raiders have had periods of being unable to stop both the run and pass, and against New Orleans both problems were in evidence at the same time.

“I think consistency has been our biggest Achilles’ heel,” Palmer said. “We’ve put together great plays or a great quarter or a great half on every side of the ball. But consistently doing it — the teams that win consistently in this league play consistently well four quarters of the game.”

Defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who has missed the last two games with a hamstring strain, agreed.

“It isn’t the most talented teams that win in this league, it’s the teams that do everything right over and over and over again,” Seymour said. “We’ve been inconsistent at times, offense, defense and special teams. Any time that happens, the record speaks for itself.”

– Allen hopes to see players such as Seymour (hamstring), Darren McFadden (ankle), Mike Goodson (ankle) and Tyvon Branch (neck) back on the practice field, but made it a point to say injuries were no excuse and had no information as to whether any or all could return this week.

– One of the people Allen has sought for counsel is Dan Reeves, the head coach in Atlanta when he had his first NFL job.

– Asked if he has enough good players to turn things around, Allen said, “I firmly believe that. I think of you look at it the other way around that’s an excuse, a crutch to say you can’t get it done.”

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  • No Mas Diamante

    wiz left when we went to the zbs. He was a power guy…

  • Marks hair

    Trade dmac and cp3 to the jets.. we dont know what to do with em here. Of course the jetwork will go nuts .. superbowl predictions all offseason

  • inonewordraider

    jason campbell is what we thought he was. 2 int’s on only 22 passes for 107 yds

    kaepernick is much better than i realized, is he a starter in the league?

    mistic won’t be in here much today, and when he’s back he’ll tell us about jc’s record as a raider compared to carsons which of course doesn’t tell the whole story

  • inonewordraider

    by the way, i noticed omoran back last night and much more understandable at that. sounds like mark has some of his dad in him, patience wearing thing. wanna fix the raiders, two words, DAVID SHAW

  • Marks hair

    Oh i know why he left… he talked to krapp.. once is enough. Would you work a big public job under a retard? Making you do stupid shìt you dont agree with.. making you look like an idiot.. bye bye

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Harbaugh did a great job with Smith & Kaepernick. That’s what good coaches do.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “jason campbell is what we thought he was. 2 int’s on only 22 passes for 107 yds”

    He also had 2 INT’s and lost a fumble that resulted in a safety……yeah I would say the missdick feeble minded crew of JC sack lickers will not be in here today talking smack

  • bcz24

    There is NO team in the NFL that will give up a 1st round pick for a running back that isn’t versitile enough to run behind multiple blocking schemes, can’t stay healthy, and disappears against good defense’s.

  • Charlie

    Raider o

    You are delusional.

    First I said 1st and 2nd round picks. Not 3rd or later.

    Do your homework.

    The definition of crazy is doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results.

    We have changed coaches and schemes ove the the last ten years more than any team in the NFL and it has not worked because our players are below average TALENT WISE especially in the box.

    You might be able to find ALL PRO TALENT IN THE SEVENTH ROUND. The odds say you will have more success in the 1st and 2nd rounds.

    Do the math. 12 of your starting 22 play in the box. Have we invested 54% of our first and second round picks on those types of plyers?

  • Marks hair

    I wish tp had kaps arm

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    I’m ready to try anything at this point. Al liked Shaw too.

  • bcz24

    He also had 2 INT’s and lost a fumble that resulted in a safety……yeah I would say the missdick feeble minded crew of JC sack lickers will not be in here today talking smack
    ************
    Misdick and Deblow will be here screaming about how it was the Bears crap oline, not Campbells fault.

  • hwnrdr

    David Shaw will be good! He can do what his father Willie (remember him) alwasy wanted to do, and that’s be a head coach in the NFL!

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Mark,

    He has a strong arm but his motion needs work and it effects his strength and accuracy.

  • inonewordraider

    Raider O Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:41 am
    Harbaugh did a great job with Smith & Kaepernick. That’s what good coaches do
    ______________
    exactly. talent looks alot better with the right coach. Tp might have a chance with gruden or shaw. Fire DA now, we’re not competing. and yes, now it’s time to give tp some experience, seasons officially over

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    kaepernick is in the perfect position for a rookie QB a great O Line with a solid run game great special teams that will give him good starting field position.

    But his best friend is the defense because even if he has 3 and out he knows that D will keep it close…so I would expect any rookie to do well on that team….be real even Alex Smith looks good QBing that team.

  • Charlie

    Raider O

    Trading a first for Seymour is immaterial. We got a over the hill over paid DT.

    How does that translate to a guy like Ngata?

    Please try to make sense.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “Misdick and Deblow will be here screaming about how it was the Bears crap oline, not Campbells fault.”

    Yeah what were they before last night 7 wins and 1 loss yeah real crappy O-Line whats Bush and Forte averaging per carry…..GET REAL!

  • inonewordraider

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
    kaepernick is in the perfect position for a rookie QB a great O Line with a solid run game great special teams that will give him good starting field position.

    But his best friend is the defense because even if he has 3 and out he knows that D will keep it close…so I would expect any rookie to do well on that team….be real even Alex Smith looks good QBing that team.
    _________________
    campbell had an elite d, elite running game, and an elite receiver, but he didn’t look so good

  • bcz24

    Yeah what were they before last night 7 wins and 1 loss yeah real crappy O-Line whats Bush and Forte averaging per carry…..GET REAL!
    *****************
    Hey, don’t shoot the messenger… I am just telling you what they are going to say.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    The last time the 49ers started a dynasty, 1981, the Raiders couldnt handle it as split in the middle of the night to LA,….now that the Niners are in the beginning stage of yet another several year dynasty, the Raiders will once again tuck their tail and run, to LA again,…once they see the writing on the wall, they are vastly inferior, instead of trying to compete in the bay area, they simply run away….2013 is the last year of the lease here, but Amy is going to break it and play in LA somewhere until the new stadium is ready….print that one kids. Its 100% truth.

  • GreatWhiteRaider

    A “name” HC or at least someone who can command respect in the locker and knows what he’s doing.

    It’ll free up Reggie to attend to other parts of the organization and not have to spend sleepless nights tossing and turning trying to figure out what goes through Knapp’s head when he radios in a play?!

    It’ll create some stability and let the players know that the express lane to the Owner’s Box to get breast fed has been closed permanently.

    Then that Coach can implement his program in earnest and go to town on getting rid of the non achievers.

    You’re either IN….or IN THE WAY.

  • Marks hair

    If we drafted Adrian Peterson Calvin Johnson Ben roflisberger and Rob Gronkowski we wouldn’t be complaining that we haven’t spent hi draft picks on line men Would we?

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “Hey, don’t shoot the messenger… I am just telling you what they are going to say.”

    We are in agreement here I was just responding to their trash not what you said ….you are 100% on target here

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    And hear this also,..She turned on me Sunday,…stabbed me in the back, so this name Im usuing now, Gruden,and the other one I used, amysincharge, are dead forever,..she is making sure Jon will never return,..told me so, to my face…so F her,…the Raiders are getting what they deserve,…the loyalists in the fan base are now going to hate them….but they do not care, they are setting up camp in LA as we speak,..notice all the legends doing auotgraphs lately?…its almost always in LA,…Universal Walk,..Marcus Allen marketing the return in LA hard along with Magic…I would be shocked if the Raiders played their final leased year, 2013, up here,..they wont, now that the cats out of the bag….goodbye LA Raiders, Hello Santa Clara Niners.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    If the Raiders have an opportunity to get David Shaw after this season, I say screw continuity. This guy is the real deal. Raiders can’t afford to miss out on another Harbaugh.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Charlie Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
    Raider O

    Trading a first for Seymour is immaterial. We got a over the hill over paid DT.

    How does that translate to a guy like Ngata?

    Please try to make sense.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Seymour did help our DL (not this year), but like I said, you have to watch the games and know your team to realize that.
    You draft based on value, so your theory about investing 54% of our 1st and 2nd round picks is crazy.
    Should we draft a 2 down LB in 1st 2 rounds? No
    Should we invest our top 2 picks in a C or an OG? No
    Value!

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Shaw > Gruden

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    I will be back later, with a new nickname,..and not because Im a weak little man like MR,..its because they no longer deserve my loyalty…and it has NOTHING to do with wins and losses,…has everything to do with stabbing Raider fans up here squarely in the back.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Ya sure,..Shaw will come work for the Raiders, after how his dad was treated here,..try doing reseach you moron.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “campbell had an elite d, elite running game, and an elite receiver, but he didn’t look so good”

    Your dead on here 100% true!!

    Chicago has the best defense in the league elite WR’s elite RB’s and he shlt the bed……you couldn’t ask for a better situation for a QB to be in an yet he still looks like a deer in the headlights crapping his pants…

  • Marks hair

    You can’t bust on first round picks up every year and not have a lot of problems.. And you can’t pick it lame àss puppet coaches every other year either..

    I like parts of our new direction but the vast majority of this coaching staff is pure rubbish..

  • bcz24

    I will be back later, with a new nickname,..and not because Im a weak little man like MR,..its because they no longer deserve my loyalty…and it has NOTHING to do with wins and losses,…has everything to do with stabbing Raider fans up here squarely in the back.
    *******************
    If you feel that way why would you come back at all?

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “I will be back later, with a new nickname,.”

    Come back as Jason Campbell’s feces filled jeans

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Marks Hair Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:51 am
    If we drafted Adrian Peterson Calvin Johnson Ben roflisberger and Rob Gronkowski we wouldn’t be complaining that we haven’t spent hi draft picks on line men Would we?
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Like I said dude, was our OL a problem last year? Weren’t we 2nd in sacks behind the steelers with same core of players on the DL when Waufle was their coach?

    No more excuses!

  • GreatWhiteRaider

    I remember hearing that rumour way back when that she didn’t like the influence that Chucky and Bruce Allen had in the organization?

    The NFL would never let Al have the LA market again, whole or partial. (I hope I’m wrong) but with him gone now, I think the NFL would love to have the Raiders back there.

    I think they belong in Oakland/Bay Area, hope they stay.

  • The Big Banana

    If the Raider are moving to LA for the 2013 season, why are they trying to get me to re-up? They can’t sell us all tix to Oakland and high-tail it. And that would be costly to process all those refunds. They will be in Oakland in 2013. Now, 2014 and beyond, I cannot speak for.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Because B24,…some of you losers need to be educated by someone like me, who has very high up insiders in Alameda. Or would you rather continue in your life as a clueless person?…if so, dont read my posts from here on out, stay clueless.

  • Charlie

    Name a fully manned, good playoff team that we beat last year.(Denver with Orton and Chicago w/o Cutler do not count).

    When we faced good competition the last ten years we got crushed.Lokk what happened to us down the stretch last year. Remember Green Bay and Miami?

    About as close as we have come to beating a good team in recent memory is Atlanta this year.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    I get the same renew crap banana,..trying to dangle a probowl gift,..what a joke,…you really think refunds woulds be costly to them?…ticket sales amount to about 1% of their revenue…geez some people just will never get it.

  • Just Fire Baby

    656.J Hill Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 am
    Is Kapernicky better than Pryor?

    *************************************

    He was in college, was drafted higher, and forget having a better arm than Pryor, Kapy may have a better arm than anyone else in the NFL not named Joe Flacco or Jake Locker.

    That thing is a rocket.

  • Marks hair

    734 HAHahHAHA

  • Just Fire Baby

    Bob,

    I decided to take you up on your generous offer to hangout at the tailgate, and would like to smoke one with you for the Thurs night game.

    I owe B a bag as well that I need to square up on.

  • UCLA Raiders

    Why call this article: “Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings”

    Where was the “take?” He just regurgitated the old news.
    A take is something like this: “In my opinion DA will now have only another year of job security given the sharp criticism of the team.”

    Where is the take @JERRY?

  • inonewordraider

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 8:55 am
    Ya sure,..Shaw will come work for the Raiders, after how his dad was treated here,..try doing reseach you moron.
    _______________
    doesn’t hurt to try, it’s a new regime

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Ok Vegas,..A lot,..usually row 14ish

  • oakfoshow

    The only thing left for everybody who said we would make the playoffs and be great this year is to make fun of the spelling from the guys who said Reggie has destroyed this team.Typical.

  • inonewordraider

    UCLA Raiders Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 9:13 am
    Why call this article: “Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings”

    Where was the “take?” He just regurgitated the old news.
    A take is something like this: “In my opinion DA will now have only another year of job security given the sharp criticism of the team.”

    Where is the take @JERRY?
    _____________________
    you must be riding high huh? Lane Kiffin and Jim mora recruit you where are you goin? This is why Kiffin needs to be fired. Also, have you seen the bball team? Larry Drew is HORRIBLE, bruins will not win with him as starting pg. Jordan adams Shabazz and powell however are straight studs

  • LondonAl

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am
    def not fixing 10 years mismanagement by letting reggie have 3 more to do worse….
    =====================
    I doubt there is a GM working today in the NFL who could turn the Raiders around in nine games into a season. Give RM time. Think about it……

  • oakfoshow

    I watched that interview with Mark Davis.His eyes were saying FIRED FIRED FIRED.Can we please fire Reggie and Dennis now?