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Beat writer Jerry McDonald’s take from today’s proceedings

By Steve Corkran
Monday, November 19th, 2012 at 5:20 pm in Oakland Raiders.

By Jerry McDonald
Staff writer

Owner Mark Davis isn’t the only person who has a problem with the way the Raiders have played over the past three weeks.

“Hey, I’m right there with him,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said Monday at his weekly press conference. “I’m frustrated. I’m disappointed. You wake up in the morning and your gut hurts.

“At the same time, when a man gets knocked down he gets up and fights. And that’s exactly what we intend to do. I understand his frustration; I can appreciate that. Let me tell you there’s nobody that’s going to work any harder to get it corrected than I will.”

Davis had an impromptu meeting with the press following Sunday’s 38-17 loss to New Orleans, saying he was a patient man but unhappy with “regression.”

When asked if general manager Reggie McKenzie and Allen received a pass this year because of salary cap issues and injuries, Davis said, “I wouldn’t call it a pass. They’ve got contracts, they’re going to be here.”

Next up for the Raiders is a visit to Cincinnati on Sunday and with it the twin storylines of Carson Palmer’s return to Paul Brown Stadium and former Raiders coach Hue Jackson being on the opposite sideline with the Bengals as an assistant coach.

Beating the Bengals, 5-5, after an unprecedented three-game stretch during which the Raiders have given up 135 points, would brighten the outlook considerably.

“When you lose, it hurts, rips your gut out,” Allen said. “A win turns everything around. A win makes everybody feels a lot better. And that’s what we need to do. We need to come together as a football team and all make a decision that we’re going to do what it takes to win football games.”

Allen’s message to the team was to stick together and Palmer believes his talk hit the mark.

“His message was really good, spoken from a guy who’s been on good teams, been on bad teams and been the middle also,” Palmer said. “I think this team will respond very well to his message. We have to stick together. I don’t think that’s an issue. We know what areas we need to improve on. This is a group that is not going to shy away from that.”

The Raiders issues have remained fairly constant since the season began. Offensively, they’ve had difficulty running the ball, although Marcel Reece had 103 yards on 19 carries against New Orleans. They’ve had difficulty converting third downs and in the red zone.

Defensively, the Raiders have had periods of being unable to stop both the run and pass, and against New Orleans both problems were in evidence at the same time.

“I think consistency has been our biggest Achilles’ heel,” Palmer said. “We’ve put together great plays or a great quarter or a great half on every side of the ball. But consistently doing it — the teams that win consistently in this league play consistently well four quarters of the game.”

Defensive tackle Richard Seymour, who has missed the last two games with a hamstring strain, agreed.

“It isn’t the most talented teams that win in this league, it’s the teams that do everything right over and over and over again,” Seymour said. “We’ve been inconsistent at times, offense, defense and special teams. Any time that happens, the record speaks for itself.”

– Allen hopes to see players such as Seymour (hamstring), Darren McFadden (ankle), Mike Goodson (ankle) and Tyvon Branch (neck) back on the practice field, but made it a point to say injuries were no excuse and had no information as to whether any or all could return this week.

– One of the people Allen has sought for counsel is Dan Reeves, the head coach in Atlanta when he had his first NFL job.

– Asked if he has enough good players to turn things around, Allen said, “I firmly believe that. I think of you look at it the other way around that’s an excuse, a crutch to say you can’t get it done.”

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  • SilverNBlackPA

    That said, DA’s main mistake was hiring assistants.

    Like JFB, I’d rather have Tarver’s head over Knapp’s, but if both would leave it wouldn’t disappoint me.

    Even worse may be the hires directly underneath them: Pollack and Williams.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
    People keep talking about a salary nightmare, well I never saw that stop Mr Davis form getting players to re-neg and get some cap space to do whatever he wanted.

    +++++++++++++++++

    Al kept pushing the cap nightmare farther into the future each year. But it was only delaying the inevitable, which is what Reggie had to face.

    It’s like living entirely on your credit cards and only ever paying the minimum each month. Eventually you’re going to find yourself screwed.

    Al passed on before he had to face it. This was always coming, it was just when.

  • Raider-in-PA

    Charlie Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:10 am
    Raider in PA

    Remember him well.
    #55.

    He also had good Dlineman in front of him. Solid front seven.
    —————————————

    That Raiders defense was known as ’11 angry men’

    Our D doesnt play that way these days… The only way to p!$$ them off is if their pay checks dont get directly deposited on time!…lol

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 9:55 am
    I think the Bears might go to the Super Bowl with the worst O-line maybe in football.

    They certainly will make the playoffs with it.

    Can’t make the playoffs with the worst QB in football, or anything closely resembling it.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Steelers won a few SBs with a bad OL. Cutler is not as strong or mobile as Big Ben, they have a great/ special defense, but there are better teams in the NFC.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Briesel has been awful.

    By far and away, the worst offseason move of the new front office.

    Should have just kept Sam at C, Wiz and Savage at guard, and heck it probably could have been less costly.

    Now Briesel is awful, and Wiz is floundering at Center.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Did anyone else see Cork and Tafur absolutely BURYING Campbell on Twitter last night? Funny stuff.

  • Priesttj12

    Last year we went into Houston and beat them with their starting QB. We were 7-4 prior to a collapse due to injuries. The coaches are first and foremost in the crosshairs for these wipeout losses………period

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:14 am
    Briesel has been awful.

    By far and away, the worst offseason move of the new front office.

    ++++++++

    Yep. I had thought at worst Brisiel would be just an overpaid guy, not overpaid and an active liability.

  • weaselbit

    Conners was vicious. also had vicious D backs behind him. Back then, you were hurtin’ day after you played the Raiders.
    I’ve read “They Call Me Assassin”. Good times.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    i agree with priest as well, salary cap was just something that al always dealt with…he had no problems, got who he wanted. reggie saw numbers and freaked…this isnt a state budget, al manipulated the cap with no problems….reggie has failed at that.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    We were 7-4 prior to a collapse due to injuries.

    +++++++++++

    Hahahaha, no.

  • Raider-in-PA

    Felt bad for JC last night… Had to run for his life in Oakland and it wasnt pretty last night either…

    If I were him, I’d think shoveling sh!t or anything would be more attractive of a career at this point..

  • Charlie

    Part of the problem with the Seymour deal is that he almost retired as opposed to reporting to Oakland.
    Mr Davis made a bad deal.
    We still would have lost the draft pick.

    Mr Davis had to give a lucrative contract that included extra days off due to Seymour’s physical problems.Seymour was way past his prime and it is another example similar to Javon Walker, Deangelo Hall Gibril Wilson, Warren Sapp etc.

    As much as I admire the work Mr Davis did, he hurt this team over the last ten years and it will take two more years of cleaning up to get us to the playoffs.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    I’ve read “They Call Me Assassin”. Good times.

    +++++++++

    Got an edition of it and “They Still Call Me Assassin” published in a single volume. Great stuff.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I would have liked to see what Al would have done with the 2012 cap.

    It’s all speculation, but I doubt it would have been a whole lot prettier.

    Either way, he is a HOF GM and was the only guy in the league who “massaged” the cap the way he did. To think a rookie GM, no matter how much or how little he is talented, could just pick up where a quirky, one-of-a kind HOF owner left off, is ridiculously unfair.

  • DutchRaider77

    807.Priesttj12 Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:15 am
    Last year we went into Houston and beat them with their starting QB. We were 7-4 prior to a collapse due to injuries. The coaches are first and foremost in the crosshairs for these wipeout losses………period

    __________________________________________________

    True, but I think the Texans missing that guy Andre Johnson could have played a little bit into helping the Raiders win. Maybe a little…

  • The Big Banana

    Should have just kept Sam at C, Wiz and Savage at guard, and heck it probably could have been less costly.

    —–

    I expressed my concern before the season over letting Satele go and moving Wiz to center. I would like to now savor my ‘I told you so’ moment. Lol. Though I would have rather been wrong about that assessment.

    Big fail by the coaches and Reggie.

  • The Big Banana

    Before the season *started

  • Priesttj12

    Charlie Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
    Part of the problem with the Seymour deal is that he almost retired as opposed to reporting to Oakland.
    Mr Davis made a bad deal.
    We still would have lost the draft pick.

    Mr Davis had to give a lucrative contract that included extra days off due to Seymour’s physical problems.Seymour was way past his prime and it is another example similar to Javon Walker, Deangelo Hall Gibril Wilson, Warren Sapp etc.

    As much as I admire the work Mr Davis did, he hurt this team over the last ten years and it will take two more years of cleaning up to get us to the playoffs.
    ***********************************************
    This sounds like an excuse to me, two more years my ass if you go into this with that mindset sure it will take that long. This team could go to the playoff snext year with the right staff. You just need to make a few smart moves and use the talent well. You get Sean Payton or a David Shaw in here and they go right away. Look what Harbaugh did at Stanford and then the Niners it was IMMEDIATE! Same with Sean Payton te talent on this team is misused much more than untalented.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
    I would have liked to see what Al would have done with the 2012 cap.

    It’s all speculation, but I doubt it would have been a whole lot prettier.

    Either way, he is a HOF GM and was the only guy in the league who “massaged” the cap the way he did. To think a rookie GM, no matter how much or how little he is talented, could just pick up where a quirky, one-of-a kind HOF owner left off, is ridiculously unfair.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Great post. I miss AL!
    Btw, let’s not compare DA to M Tomlin. DA is a defensive minded HC who is responsible (Tarver too) for a defense that allowed 135 points in 3 games and 30+ points per game.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    agreed that it shouldnt take two additional years of losing…win now

  • Just Fire Baby

    Btw, let’s not compare DA to M Tomlin.

    ************************

    Up until this horrendous season started, their career arcs were almost identical.

    A few years as a DB coach, and winning a Super Bowl doing so. One season as a DC for a playoff team as one of the youngest DC’s in the leauge.

    Than the youngest HC in the game.

    Completely identical. Just need to work on that two Super Bowl appearance thing, lol.

  • morilla

    You guys that say look at what Harbaugh, Tomlin and Peyton did are hilarious.

    There is not one player on the Raiders defense that could start for any of those teams. And don’t give me coaching. This isn’t Pop Warner, these are grown men who should be playing at a high level. We just don’t have the talent, it’s very easy to see that.

    Did you watch the 49ers defensive players last night? They make ours look like they belong in the lingerie league. No fire, passion or heart.

  • DT42

    DA said that his main job is to manage the Assistants, but the majority of his Assistants have been horrible.

    How does he get a free pass in all of this?

    Also, I keep hearing about salary cap issues. AD renegotiated salaries every year and it was never a problem. Now all of a sudden its an issue. The San Antonio Spurs used to make the same excuse when Tom Benson owned the team. They would say that they were a small market team and couldn’t compete with larger market teams like the Lakers. But then new management came and and stopped using that as an excuse and turned that franchise around.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Raiders have decent levels of mid-level talent, that’s how you end up at 8-8 for two years in a row.

    We have no top-shelf talent. Qb is average, RB is above average when healthy, which is never. WR average and inexperienced. O-line trash. D-line is pretty good at times, awful at others. LB’s, young and no depth. Secondary, underwhelming to say the least.

    But hey, we got elite kickers and snappers!!!!

  • morilla

    Oh yeah, Al managed the cap. Great job of managing bloated contracts to players that don’t produce.

  • DT42

    Morilla,

    you don’t think coaching makes a difference then lets just bring back Tom Walsh and the “Bread and Breakfast Offense”.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    The 49ers and Raiders defenses are very similar. The only differences are the tackling, discipline and talent..LOL

    That was on Vics teitter

  • Just Fire Baby

    AD renegotiated salaries every year and it was never a problem.

    **************************

    Al Davis is in the hall of fame, and had 20+ years of managing the cap HIS OWN way before going into these last few years.

    Do you really think that is a fair comparision?

    And what does “never a problem” mean? You telling me Al get EVERY FA he wanted? You don’t think he got outbid EVER, due to some constraints?

    If it was “never a problem” and he got “Every player he wanted” then why the hell did we set an NFL record for most 10 loss seasons in a row? Did he not know how to judge talent? I am pretty sure he did.

    I think people look at Al’s salary cap moves, and like a bad gambler, remember all the wins glowingly and never think about all the losses.

  • morilla

    DT42 Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:37 am
    Morilla,

    you don’t think coaching makes a difference then lets just bring back Tom Walsh and the “Bread and Breakfast Offense”.
    ————–

    If you have talent, you can succeed.

    We have no impact players that are consistent.. None, nada, zilch.

    Seriously, tell me who the studs are? Who’s lighting it up on film? Who changes and wins games?

    This defense is full of mediocracy.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
    I would have liked to see what Al would have done with the 2012 cap.

    It’s all speculation, but I doubt it would have been a whole lot prettier.

    Either way, he is a HOF GM and was the only guy in the league who “massaged” the cap the way he did. To think a rookie GM, no matter how much or how little he is talented, could just pick up where a quirky, one-of-a kind HOF owner left off, is ridiculously unfair.

    +++++++++++++++++++

    This too.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “Oh yeah, Al managed the cap. Great job of managing bloated contracts to players that don’t produce.”

    What that did to us was make us thin at almost every position you cant have depth when you are overspending on players.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    This season is over, and as much as I’d like to blame the skill players this team has no Line Talent. The D-Line is pathetic, incredibly pathetic, cant stop the run, cant pressure the QB, can’t hold’em under 30 points, can’t win a game. The O-line cant open holes for the run game, and can’t protect the QB. AS pathetic as our perimeter players are (WRs, CBs, Ss), we gotta fix the core of the team before we can hope to be competitive. I’m not talking about players only, the coaches gotta go too.

  • DutchRaider77

    832.Silverandblack666 Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:42 am
    “Oh yeah, Al managed the cap. Great job of managing bloated contracts to players that don’t produce.”

    What that did to us was make us thin at almost every position you cant have depth when you are overspending on players.

    ___________________________________________________

    Lol, or the former 1st round gems he picked up who failed on other teams…One point Gallery was making for dough than the whole rest of our starting OL combined. The left guard was paid more than the center, two tackles and right guard combined…

  • Priesttj12

    The Bears Oline belongs in the Lingerie League….there’s a reason that that was the bets the Niners Dline has looked all year.

    The Saints were a mess when Payton took over. The Stanford Cardinal hadn’t won in eons and the Niners were on a 8 YEAR run out of the playoffs……….those situations were not pretty. But they didn’t go in with the mindset that it’s going to take 3-5 years they took what they had made it work……period

    Again we won 8 games with a mash unit last year…..we ont win 6 this year………period

    The owner and the GM agreed this was a playoff team before the season started so what happened???

  • LondonAl

    790.Charlie Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:01 am
    Weasel

    I think too many younger fans are enamored with all the skill position hype, passing stats and big Head Coach reps that make the average fan they can work miracles.

    The basics of the game are blocking and tackling.
    Always have and always will.
    You also had to rush the passer.
    Many fans today think that Drew Brees and Tom Brady are top notch.

    They never saw Namath, Dawson and Griese get it done.
    They never saw the head slap form a Deacon Jones that is now illegal and how Olineman had to still pass protect.

    Bottom line is we are weak on both lines and that is where the game is won and lost. You build the lines first not last.
    ====================================================
    Charlie, you are quite correct. Too many fans learn about football on the Xbox/Playtion.Also as is the norm everyone wants everything now and for free. Not willing to invest and wait. Show a little patience.
    For whatever reason my Raiders have been poor, very poor and average for the past ten years. Rookie everything on ownership/GM/HC and low level talent on the playing side and most of the boggers on here expected 10-6 or better this year. Last year we got lucky against a very poor division and made it to 8-8 so bunker down for some hard times.
    Give the management and coaching a chance!

  • DJ Johnny

    The problem wasn’t that Al was bad at managing the cap, the problem was the particular players he was trying to keep or obtain.

    All evidence shows Al was good at getting who he wanted on board for the most part.

    Evidence also shows he made some bad calls on who those players should be.

  • morilla

    Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:43 am
    This season is over, and as much as I’d like to blame the skill players this team has no Line Talent. The D-Line is pathetic, incredibly pathetic, cant stop the run, cant pressure the QB, can’t hold’em under 30 points, can’t win a game. The O-line cant open holes for the run game, and can’t protect the QB. AS pathetic as our perimeter players are (WRs, CBs, Ss), we gotta fix the core of the team before we can hope to be competitive. I’m not talking about players only, the coaches gotta go too.
    ———

    Yup, that’s where it starts. Dline is pure garbage. Qbs don’t even need to wash their jerseys.

    Right side oh the Oline is a dumpster fire. Replace that. Get a Center and move Wiz back to Gaurd.

    Secondary, clean house. Send them all to the Iowa Barnstormers.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    Another thing. Marcel Reece should be our starting HB. DMAC and Taiwan can run like the wind in their track cleats, but I’ll take Reece for gametime.

  • Raider-in-PA

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
    I’ve read “They Call Me Assassin”. Good times.

    +++++++++

    Got an edition of it and “They Still Call Me Assassin” published in a single volume. Great stuff.
    —————————–

    Dont miss ‘Snake’ and ‘Badasses’….. Those were the days…

  • hwnrdr

    I guess Tedford got the boot!

  • The Big Banana

    Some of you people are funny. You pick a side and go all in. Did Davis mismanage contracts? Yes. Was it so bad that we couldn’t compete and had to succumb to this current Schit hole we’re in? No.

    As usual, the answer is somewhere in the middle. Even management and ownership felt we could at least compete with our current roster. Was it a Super Bowl roster? No. But Was it the 2nd/3rd worst roster in the NFL? No.

    Nobody is expecting Super Bowl but current level of play is unacceptable.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    ad was a hof gm…part of that was salary cap management no doubt….he did get outbid every now and then, won some, lost some….specifically lost out on kapernick…reggie has failed at all of his personell moves…he either needs to up his game or get gone.

  • Just Fire Baby

    The Saints were a mess when Payton took over.

    *********************

    Having a hurricane and playing your “home” games on the road will do that to you.

  • Macho Man Randy Savage

    The defense….LOL, we’ve got two or three average starters on D. The rest are bench warmers… Not one playmaker, and those take years to find.

  • morilla

    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
    The Bears Oline belongs in the Lingerie League….there’s a reason that that was the bets the Niners Dline has looked all year.

    The Saints were a mess when Payton took over. The Stanford Cardinal hadn’t won in eons and the Niners were on a 8 YEAR run out of the playoffs……….those situations were not pretty. But they didn’t go in with the mindset that it’s going to take 3-5 years they took what they had made it work……period
    ————-

    What? Those teams methodically built their squads with talented players. They were very successful at evaluating talent and accumulating it. You think the 49ers just came out of no where? Really? They’ve been building for years.

    An what’s even worse, the 49ers defense has taken over from what the Raiders use to be. A bunch of mean mothertruckers that people fear to play. They are the best in the league.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    calling for reece to start over dmc is just plain dvmb…

  • Priesttj12

    I watched last night as the NIners dismantled the Bears but I also saw the Niners lose to Minn and basically lose to the Rams. You know why in those games they were outcoached plain and simple.

    You cna put players in position to win and you can put them in position to lose. Scheme is not nearly as important as GAME PLANNING. THis team goes into games porely prepared to win, the gameplans are not set to have the players have success as much as they’re are to execute their system.

    Harbaughs strengths are not his system it’s his gameplans from team to team they’re damn near brilliant. Gameplanning and playcalling are what give players the opportunity to be successful. That is where these coaches show on a wek to week basis that they have no clue…………..period

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 20th, 2012 at 9:38 am
    Bill Bellicheck’s resume at 40 years old is nothing compared to DA’s.
    ——-
    You keep saying that but it isn’t true. Bellicheck was 39 years old when he was named head coach of the Cleveland Browns. He had already won 2 Super Bowls with the Giants as the DC.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Belichick

  • DJ Johnny

    Last year we got lucky against a very poor division and made it to 8-8 so bunker down for some hard times.
    Give the management and coaching a chance!

    I’m sick of hearing how “lucky” we were to get to 8-8.

    It’s funny that any semblence of success gets minimized as being “lucky” by the “fans”.

    Guys here saying the 8-8 was “lucky” cuz we won close game that “could’ve gone either way”.

    Do you realize how many close games the ’76 Raiders won?

    Barely beat Chicago on a last second fg that doinked off the upright. Barely beat GB at home. Had to comeback with 17 unanswered late in the 4th quarter to beat Pittsburgh in week one.

    I’m not comparing last yr’s team to the 76 team, just pointing out that in this league teams win close games, and those wins should be discounted.

    I love the guy who said we can’t count the win in SD cuz “Palmer was playing in his back yard from his home in LaJolla”. Gimme a break.

    “You are who your record says you are” says Bill Parcells, and he’s right.

    We are bad enough this yr. that we have to discount the few successes we have had.

    Let’s dissect every other teams schedules and discount those teams that had “weak” schedules as well.