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Grading the Raiders from the Saints game

By Steve Corkran
Monday, November 19th, 2012 at 12:50 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Beat writer Jerry McDonald graded the Raiders off their performance against the New Orleans Saints on Sunday. Here is a look at how the Raiders graded out:

Pass offense

Carson Palmer (22-for-40, 312 yards) had his third straight game of 300 yards or more, but 113 of those were tacked on with the Raiders already trailing 35-10. Two interceptions were costly — one that Malcolm Jenkins returned 55 yards for a touchdown, the other that bounced off Brandon Myers in the end zone for a Saints interception. Palmer and Denarius Moore were barely in the same area code.
Grade: D

Run offense

Marcel Reece gave the Raiders steady yards on the ground, finishing with 103 yards on 19 carries as the Raiders rushed for 120 yards overall and a respectable 4.6 yards per carry. The Raiders got no surge on a first-and-goal play at the 1, with Reece getting stuffed for a loss, starting a sequence that ended in an interception.
Grade: B

Pass defense

Lance Moore got cornerback Michael Huff on a double move for a 38-yard touchdown inside of a minute left in the first half and later beat Ron Bartell for a 16-yard score. Drew Brees was a coolly effieicent 20-for-27 for 219 yards and no interceptions. Brees was not sacked. Miles Burris failed to cover tight end Jimmy Graham on a goal line play. Touchdown. Grade: D

Run defense

The Saints, not known as a big rushing team, gained 153 yards on 28 carries, averaging 5.5 yards per attempt. Mark Ingram had 12 rushes for 67 yards and a 27-yard touchdown run on the first offensive snap of the second half. Defense gave up runs of 27, 25, 19 and 14 yards. Rolando McClain had 10 tackles in the base defense.
Grade: D

Special teams

Coye Francies had a chance at a big kickoff return and fell at the 20-yard line. A 75-yard kickoff return by Travaris Cadet to open the second half swung momentum permanently to the side of the Saints. Sebastian Janikowski converted his only field goal attempt from 40 yards. Shane Lechler can’t catch a break kicking inside the 20 as everything rolls into the end zone. Grade: D

Coaching

Whatever the coaching staff is saying at halftime isn’t working. The Raiders have been outscored 123-34 in the third quarter. However, the loss to New Orleans had more to do with players getting beat by better players than it did with offensive or defensive play-calling. If the Raiders could have gotten out of their own way and taken a lead, they might have run the ball all day.
Grade: D

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  • RaiderDebo

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
    Do me a favor, stick your nose in your almanac for geeks and tell me who the league leaders are in pick-6s the last 5 years . Honest question.

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    You have brought this stat up before, and I can never find it. If you have a link to support it, I would love to add it to my favorites.

    This is all I could find, a historically list.

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=7473

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    I don’t have a stat. Like I said, an honest question. Looks like he’s pretty high up when looking at active players.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Passing D

    Running B+ cuz marcel only

    who cares about the rest

    COACHING F

  • Just Fire Baby

    98% of beat writers are lap dogs. They are paid to get quotes and access the standard fan can’t. You bite the hand that feeds that, you get no acces, you get canned.

    You don’t think Greg Papa is one? That guy is the biggest farce of an objective reporter ever.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Looks like he’s pretty high up when looking at active players.

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    I would not at all be suprised if he lead the league, I’m just saying that it is the one stat that seems to be elusive.

    Can’t find it.

    Serious question, who you would guess would be 2nd over the last 5 years?

    Might be Drew Brees.

  • RockyMtnHigh

    Actually I’m still laughing at this one, Mistic.
    I mean, you can’t make this stuff up!
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    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 12th, 2012 at 3:18 pm

    that is the difference between real oakland natives and out of towners

    real cats from the town dont say things on blogs they would never say to your face. the code of the street

    out of towners talk ish from behind the keyboard and would never dare to utter a word face to face

    suburbanites lol

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    actually GREG PAPA is not one. HE was questioning the PALMER trade the day it was made. He didnt like KNAPP was moving to the ZBS . .saying it didnt fit DMAC

    Was saying many of things going on AL wouldnt agree with. This is just from listening to him the past month.

    Media writers get ZERO from these guys. ITs nothing the average fan cant get from a presser afte the game. Gimme a break. You guys act like they are breaking some serious news or insight. Its just their opionions after the facts are stated.

  • RockyMtnHigh

    ROFLMFAO-bloggers code of the street!

  • RaiderDebo

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
    Looks like he’s pretty high up when looking at active players.

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    I would not at all be suprised if he lead the league, I’m just saying that it is the one stat that seems to be elusive.

    Can’t find it.

    Serious question, who you would guess would be 2nd over the last 5 years?

    Might be Drew Brees.
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    Doubt it, but if he is, who cares? He’s won the Super Bowl and multiple playoff games so he’s “elite”. Those guys are like Teflon. You know the drill.

  • The Big Banana

    Greg Papa an objective reporter? Lol! Whoever said he was?! He’s employed by the team.

  • papertiger418

    Guess we’re in the same boat we’ve been in for the past decade, guys. Time to tank the season and follow the Mark’s Hair gameplan to a high draft pick, which we can trade back for more picks in theide rounds.

    Aside from Seymour, who do you think gets released and/or traded first?

  • RockyMtnHigh

    Read comment from poster saying Knapp is by far the worst OC in the nfl.

    The Raiders hired him not once, but twice.

  • mcfadden20.

    These are the teams we beat last year and their Offensive Ranks
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    Den 23-20 #23 Offensively
    NYJ 34-24 #25
    Hou 25-20 #13 AL D Game
    Cle 24-17 #29
    SD 24-17 #6 Whole Oline injured
    Min 27-21 #18
    Chi 25-20 #24
    KC 16-13 #27

    Further proves my point that last years team wasn’t that good beside the record, we would have struggled to beat good teams again due to D getting worse with age of Kelly and Seymour and Loss of Wimbley

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    Here’s the list of teams we lost against and their O ranks
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    So far we have beaten 2 out of 3 really horrible O teams

    Miami LOSS
    JAX WIN
    KC WIN

    Lost against 5 teams in top 10 O

    SO even if Hue was here, same results, due to our D , which we never got to work on due to Salary Cap

  • Marks hair

    You always have to worry about team wide regression mac20.. new players will regress under bad coaching too.. our lines have regressed the most.. rookies with these coaches will probably just bust.

  • The Beeech Dawg

    No Dan, but I regularly see Hugh cruising around Staples.

    Once watched the old dope eat a Dove bar then run for the stalls for a running diarrhea

    He’s the kind of the playas, but that time he got played

    Just keepin’ it real

  • inonewordraider

    kaepernick v jc tonight, must see tv

  • fingers

    I give Reese plenty of props….the Oline gets pushed back on run plays and he still made positive yards…. The guy was a load yesterday…

  • Marks hair

    Our line coaches and sp teams coaches need to go.. today

  • mcfadden20.

    Missed the list of teams we lost against last year, all ranked pretty high Offensively , but you guys get my point

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    lol at DMAC 20 i mean reggie

    Only one thing counts. Thats the record. Thats it.

  • No Mas Diamante

    Palmer will not see that 15 mil next season. No way mark is going to pay him that. Especially if he keeps tossing easy picks. Also I cant figure out why he can’t get on the same page as moore. they had all training camp and the offseason together and they can’t run an easy out? Come on man…

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks hair Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    You always have to worry about team wide regression mac20.. new players will regress under bad coaching too.. our lines have regressed the most.. rookies with these coaches will probably just bust.

    I will admit O has regressed but i still don’t think results would have been different to the same day or worse D if you want to call it with the loss of wimbley, hard to get mad either cuz really AL left this team in salary cap mess, we couldn’t bring in any good player for our D

  • mcfadden20.

    with same D * not day

  • Marks hair

    Trade most everybody.. picks picks picks.. should have done the firesale on time. Dmac or cp3 could be a few picks right now..

  • mcfadden20.

    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:24 pm

    lol at DMAC 20 i mean reggie

    Only one thing counts. Thats the record. Thats it.

    Well like i said , we beat 2 out of 3 teams who aren’t known for their O

    Miami Loss
    KC WIn
    JAX WIn

    On par with what happened last year, it’s just that we faced poor Offenses many more times last year than this year

  • Dan78

    Its been a long dark decade following this team…

  • papertiger418

    Greg Papa is most definitely subjective, and the national media couldn’t care less about us, which is why I come here for information.

  • mcfadden20.

    Trading CP would be kinda stupid unless they got a good qb to take over, all you need to give him is #1 WR , and better protection , and need a couple of pass rushers in Offseason , not that hard to do, if we got some cap space

  • Marks hair

    Wimbley was a loss sure.. but he wasnt such a stud that our d should drop to dead last…. and about the offense.. tds matter.. the running game matters.. and the coaches killed ours.

  • mcfadden20.

    I trade CP only if we get our hands on a really good qb and we need his cap space to sign other players, if you want to let him go just because then back to square 1

  • fingers

    If not Palmer next year then who?… If its Pryor with the same WRs were gonna see more picks… Not to mention Mark and Reggie will want some returns on those 2 # 1,s … Palmers could be gone but I doubt it…. Even with a full training camp doesn’t mean they’re on the same page… Both could be on the wrong page .. But it only takes one… Wouldn’t sware to it but I’d suspect it’s Moore running the wrong routes …

  • JLofty

    Soup’ll do fine in Chi. Gots some run support in Forte’s Bush. Got a killer D. Maybe he can hit BMarshall for a pass or two.
    Too bad Kaep gunna LIGHT HIS ASS UP!!

    Anyone remember Soup’s last game in SF? Didn’t he put up like 9 pts and at least 5 missed (WIDE OPEN) receivers? Long ball going out of bounds like the camera man was open….

  • DJ Johnny

    You know how long it’s been since we’ve had anything to get excited about as Raiders fans?

    For as much time and emotion spent concerning ourselves with this org. all we do is get s.chytt upon.

    Give us a blockbuster signing…or SOMETHING.

    I know a WIN is too much to freaking ask for.

  • papertiger418

    It’s just sad watching this team’s confidence go into a shame spiral at the same point every year. I hope the coaching staff gets a serious makeover on the offensive side of the ball. Not saying we should leave the ZBS, just get a jump on the offseason and bring on some coordinator fast.

  • mcfadden20.

    Marks hair Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:31 pm

    Wimbley was a loss sure.. but he wasnt such a stud that our d should drop to dead last…. and about the offense.. tds matter.. the running game matters.. and the coaches killed ours.

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    Wimbley was still our best pass rusher, and other 2 guys who had some sacks, are year older now Kelly and Seymour (ready to retire), Just saying that even if Hue was here , we would of probably had the same record due to inability of our D to stop good O’s , so i would give DA 1 more chance with a new OC, new ST coach , and offseason to bring some guys for D side

  • wishbone

    Commitment to Excrement. Why not start playing all the young guys (TP) and see what we got??? I will give DA & Chewbacca a pass this year, but come 2013 when the salary cap won’t be a factor I wanna see results. Maybe not playoffs yet, but a lot better effort all around. Need to trim the fat off this team as soon as the season is over. That means trade what little we have for picks (Dmac, Lechler & Palmer). Dump the overpaid, underachieving worthless garbage (Seymour, Kelly, McClain, Huff, Carlisle, Briesel, Bartell, Spencer, Leinart & Jones) This team might be worse than 2006, but coaches & staff are much better.

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    Steve Corkran‏@CorkOnTheNFL

    #Raiders coach Dennis Allen said he called former Falcons coach Dan Reeves earlier this year for advice.

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    LOL should have called HUE for advice. Goes to show you DA is having trouble. Thats why you dont hire ROOKIE HC. SHAW , Harbaugh, SHiano.. all have been HC’s.

    DA, Lane Kiffin, Josh Mcdaniels, Singletary, Nolan. same thing

  • fingers

    83.. Not only is it sad watching this team… It’s hard..

  • RaiderDebo

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    Trading CP would be kinda stupid unless they got a good qb to take over, all you need to give him is #1 WR , and better protection , and need a couple of pass rushers in Offseason , not that hard to do, if we got some cap space

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    Nah, the guy had great #1s, #2s and even #3s with great protection in Cincy and he still did boneheaded sht. I don’t think it’s possible, but if we could get a 1st for him, that would be the Hail Mary deal that might help us get this thing back on track.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Raider Guy Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    So tired of the loosing…you know?
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    How many god damn times are you people going spell the word ‘LOSING’ wrong?

  • JLofty

    Loosen up ABP…

  • papertiger418

    It also sucks that we’re catching all these teams at their high points, when they’ve got momentum rolling. Not making excuses for our performance, but even the Browns are looking like a tough opponent at this point.

  • DutchRaider77

    You know how long it’s been since we’ve had anything to get excited about as Raiders fans?

    ____________________________________________

    December 1, 2012? They just announced the Bronocos lost, the Raiders pinned the Chargers on the 1 yard line…the stadium was rocking/the fans were on their feet and then…I forget, I must have blacked out.

  • RaiderDebo

    papertiger418 Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
    It also sucks that we’re catching all these teams at their high points, when they’ve got momentum rolling. Not making excuses for our performance, but even the Browns are looking like a tough opponent at this point.

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    The Browns have been tough all year. At least we might get to avoid Joe Haden and Buster Skrine.

  • mcfadden20.

    Not much this coaching staff can do with these players, only so much Palmer can do putting up points with no #1 Receiver to go to , only so much DA and Tarver can do with 2 players at DT(Kelly and Seymour ) into semi retirement, and 2 players SHaughnessy (coming off major injury) Houston (should be a DT), you guys should get mad at AL D, last year was pretty fluke , we weren’t going to win against good teams with this roster,only team that anyone can name last year was Houston

  • papertiger418

    Spelling can be difficult on smart phones sometimes

  • RockyMtnHigh

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:37 pm

    Raider Guy Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
    So tired of the loosing…you know?
    —–
    How many god damn times are you people going spell the word ‘LOSING’ wrong?
    ===============================
    Probbly az meny times as ewe ppl say “going spell” instead of “going to spell”.

  • DJ Johnny

    I’m at the point of not being so much demoralized (i am demoralized but…) it’s to the point now i’m fed up.

    We deserve better than this garbage. At least the fans that show up for the games do.

    Nice to see an “apology” from Mark, but sad that his statement has been the only bright spot in the last month.

    To know the guy at least cares is a bit of consolation.

    I wasn’t sure if he did or not.

    Dump somebody. Change schemes. Do SOMETHING to eenergize the fan base a bit.

    I know, I know…it’s too much to ask that they actually win a damn game on the field.

    I need to slow my roll.

  • mcfadden20.

    RaiderDebo Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:36 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 19th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
    Trading CP would be kinda stupid unless they got a good qb to take over, all you need to give him is #1 WR , and better protection , and need a couple of pass rushers in Offseason , not that hard to do, if we got some cap space

    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Nah, the guy had great #1s, #2s and even #3s with great protection in Cincy and he still did boneheaded sht. I don’t think it’s possible, but if we could get a 1st for him, that would be the Hail Mary deal that might help us get this thing back on track.


    Hardly any great protection, played with DIVA receivers who cared more about their own stats and looking good than the team, still had horrible D’s

  • RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit

    You know how long it’s been since we’ve had anything to get excited about as Raiders fans?

    ____________________________________________

    December 1, 2012? They just announced the Bronocos lost, the Raiders pinned the Chargers on the 1 yard line…the stadium was rocking/the fans were on their feet and then…I forget, I must have blacked out.

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    Word! Even after SEYMOUR blocked that FG attempt in OT at teh chiefs game.. or when DHB caught that long pass by palmer. HUE said they were waiting all day to call that play and setting them up. Thats coaching.

  • papertiger418

    Debo,

    Definitely. The Browns kind of remind me of our Cable team; they play tough but shoot themselves in the foot all too often.