Curry waived by Raiders
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, November 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders confirmed that they waived veteran outside linebacker Aaron Curry, soon after Curry sent out several Tweets saying that he was gone.
Curry Tweeted three times within a 6-minute span that he was gone. The Raiders ultimately confirmed the news.
He missed some of the offseason workouts, all of training camp and the first eight games this season as a result of sore knees. He recovered well enough to play in Oakland’s past two games.
In those games, he played 15 defensive snaps against the Baltimore Ravens but only three against the New Orleans Saints.
The Raiders traded for Curry last season. The move cost the Raiders a seventh-round draft pick in 2012 and a fifth-rounder next season.
Curry’s departure frees up a spot on the 53-man roster. Former agent Joel Corry said Curry will count $1.5 million in so-called dead money on next year’s salary cap.
Curry was the fourth pick of the 2009 NFL draft by the Seattle Seahawks. He failed to materialize into the game-changing linebacker that many envisioned.
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November 20th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Bad
November 20th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Sux
November 20th, 2012 at 11:41 am
But then again he came in for 2 special teams plays, and had 2 penalties. That ain’t good.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Oh well next man up!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Had hopes for Curry, but oh well! Who is next?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Incorrect Steve, with Currys departure, the conditional draft pick will be a 5th rounder.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
There is a 4th rounder in there? That also is not good.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Let the shedding of unproductive players begin. This is going to be sweeeeeet.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Looks like the Chickens got the best of us on that one. How in the world did he pass his physical?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:46 am
First one to fall, lets hold the coaches acountable as well.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
There is a 4th rounder in there? That also is not good
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No, it was a conditional 5th rounder that moved to a 4th rounder if certain criteria were met, with his dismissal, these were not met.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Wow what a pity! Thank you for everything Aaron Curry, thanks for being a Raider. Thanks for thee update Cork! I think we should fire the entire coaching staff; however, Coach Allen did say that he consults with Dan Reeves. Coach consulting with Dan Reeves is a huge step into the right direction. Merci, we need huge improvements.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Let the shedding of unproductive coaches begin.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Bring us Knapp’s head! The fans demand blood!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Papertiger418 Says:
How in the world did he pass his physical?
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Divine intervention. He prayed really hard for it.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:53 am
bcz24 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:42 am
There is a 4th rounder in there? That also is not good
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No, it was a conditional 5th rounder that moved to a 4th rounder if certain criteria were met, with his dismissal, these were not met.
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Thanks. Forgot about the conditional part of this deal.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:55 am
8.Priesttj12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Wasn’t talkinga about either player man, I was being funny as I was talking about Barksdale and Campbell. Who knows how good they would’ve been if given the chance. There are no studs on the Niners Oline just a bunch of guys working hard and very well coached was my point.
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????, Isn’t the 9ers O-Line have at least 3 first round picks starting? J. Staley, M. Iupati and A. Davis?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:56 am
DT42 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Let the shedding of unproductive coaches begin.
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That is going to be next. Altho watching Clayton Lopez LAMBASTE Mitchell and Huff for letting the N.O WR get behind them with 40 seconds to go in the half just makes you want to shake your head. I mean what are these players doing out there? I can go out there, line up, and let guys run right past me. Nothing special there.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:59 am
????, Isn’t the 9ers O-Line have at least 3 first round picks starting? J. Staley, M. Iupati and A. Davis?
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Yup. They went the “road grader” route with a bunch of strong 340 pounders, and boy no one came within span of the Golden Gate to getting a hand on Kaepernick yesterday. Maybe that is telling the league something.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
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November 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
The SF O-Line FIRES off of the snap as a unit…
very impressive and the results speak for themselves.
Looks like Fangio on the D side was the brains at Stanford, not Tarver…oh well, swing and miss on Reggie’s part by sending Hue out without a contingency plan in place…
November 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
At least they fired Tedford. Wheres McFadden20?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Now its official…Curry has been waived!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
coaches blaming everyone but themselves….didnt the eagles do this?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
somebody is getting desperate…da?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
[...] Raiders have released linebacker Aaron Curry, ending an experiment that never paid off for the former fourth-overall pick in the 2009 [...]
November 20th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Who do we sign to take his place now??
November 20th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Taiwan Jones next?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
The thing I don’t get is, Our guys don’t just get beat, they’re completely out of position as if they don’t have a clue what their assignments are.
Watching SF makes you realize it’s not just physical.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I wonder who Mark Davis watched the game with.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Why? Who did we need that spot for? Not saying he was any good but he’s better than our backup LBs isn’t he?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
big pep Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Charlie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:44 am
We were on the hook for Curry’s salary for this year so they gave it a shot.
More proof that guys like Seymour, Barnes, Spencer, Bartell and Curry etc. are available for a reason.
The Seahawks knew Curry had issues and we took a flyer on the guy.
DRAFT BETTER AND WE WOULD NOT BE IN THIS POSITION.
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I agree with this. our draft over Big Als last 10 years have been garbage. maybe some late rounders here and there but for the most part garbage. same thing with our trades giving up 1st 2nd 4th 5th rounders for players that have been schyt.Phiilip-B,Tyler-B,Napoleom-H,Robert-G,Fabian-W,Michael-H,J-Russell,Dmac,Bey,Mclain, just to name a few. all schyt.
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This is a bunch of horseschtt!! The law of averages says we should have hit on at least a few of these picks. So all the free agents we’ve signed have been busts too??? Wake up folks! The organization has been screwed up for more than a decade. That makes pretty much every player in the building during that stretch a failure. Why does just about every draft pick from the Packers, Steelers, Ravens and Pats seem to work out?? As bad as things are this year, that’s why we have hope. We’re trying to get something like that started with Reggie.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Why? Who did we need that spot for? Not saying he was any good but he’s better than our backup LBs isn’t he?
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Our LB’s have not played very well the last three games. And Curry couldn’t get in there. What does that tell ya?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Our LB’s have not played very well the last three games. And Curry couldn’t get in there. What does that tell ya?
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That our coaches are idiots?
November 20th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I guess Burris makes Curry obsolete. My guess is that this has to be a physical thing. He was just not physically able to perform at a high level.
Not a money thing. Doubt it’s to send a message, like some here are already talking about.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Burris looks beaten up out there. It might not have been a bad idea to hold him out last week and throw Curry out there. They knew we were getting rolled any way…
November 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
I guess at 3-7 a purge will begin?
Man it sucks that I’m looking forward to January (and subsequently March and April) more than the next game (in November!).
I hope Knapp is the next one to get canned.
I’ll take an ‘over-achieveing’ group with an ‘outspoken’ head coach, competitive til the last snap vs….. whatever this is — any day.
Go Offseason!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Why the fùck would you bring on curry at all? Retarded…. all our young cuts got signed.. good lord. Reg be patient with the young guys.. the seasons OVER
November 20th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Best chat exchange of the day:
Don’t you find it hysterical that there are some wishing that Al were still around to fix this thing when HE is the one who created this mess since they’ve returned to Oakland. 3 winning seasons in what, 17 years?
by Hootie 2:50 PM
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Yeah, it’s somewhat comical.
by scorkran 2:50 PM
November 20th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
burris favorite spot is on his back….
November 20th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
I guess at 3-7 a purge will begin?
Man it sucks that I’m looking forward to January (and subsequently March and April) more than the next game (in November!).
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Well the season is over. They’d need to run the table AND get some help to get in.
Even if they went on a miraculous tear fueled by angels and PCP and finished 9-7 I don’t see how they’d get the help they need to get a wild card.
So basically we get to argue about who should stay and who should go next season, what FAs should be signed and–what I’m looking forward to most–what Big Reg can do with some higher round draft picks.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Oakland roster.. You must have missed last nights game…
15.2romes Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
As soon as the tailgating stopped sunday and the game began reality set in. The Raiders still have Mark Davis’s horrilble decisions to work with, Dennis Allen decline in progression in every aspect of the game and BIG REGGIE MAC to helplessly oversee all the dysfunction.
November 20th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Dumb monkeys
November 20th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
M as in Mancy
AJ is a monster. There was a 1 handed TD grab he made in his first game back against Colorado from suspension in 2010 that made heads explode. He is elite because he makes his QB look WAY better than he is. It’s the reverse Manning bros effect. Without AJ, Dalton is just a redheaded stepchild getting beat every 7 days.
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Hilarious, but accurate, post on an article by Chris Burke on SI.com. I want to see THREE dude assigned to Green Sunday or someone should be fired!
November 20th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Trade trade trade.. sit anybody wirth trading.. its tp time
November 20th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
We could have had the top pick + whatever we could have gotten for dmac palmer and kelly…. sooooo stupid reggie
November 20th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raiders cut VIC So’oto a week two early. Now he is on Packers active squad. Curry replaced him only to be cut.
Wow Raiders cant buy a good move right now even if they tried!
BTW last year cincy wanted curry in the palmer trade.. would have saved a 2nd round pick. Haaarrrible
November 20th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Cork didn’t answer my question.
If you were on a wave and it was heading towards the future of quarterbacking, would TP6 be on it?
I guess no reply means, no. lol
November 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Marks Hair Says:
Trade trade trade.. sit anybody wirth trading.. its tp time
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If they get down several scores to Cincy, I’d have to agree. It’s time to throw TP into the fire and figure out what you have. If he’s active, we’ll know the Raiders are thinking the same thing.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Somebody punch hoffman in his big sloppy vagìna
November 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
lol at you guys being hard on BURRIS.
The kid is a rookie and learning a tough new defense. He has played well this year. You cant blame that Jimmy Graham TD on him. ONCE they got to the 1 yard line it was over. He was covering the qb sneak. Mad a rook mistake.
LOOK AT HIS COLLEGE FILM.. He was specialized in Pass RUSHING.. and you have seen him do that damnnn well this season. He will only get better.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raiders cut VIC So’oto a week two early. Now he is on Packers active squad. Curry replaced him only to be cut.
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Another head scratcher. lst Pat Lee and then So’oto. So’oto just LOOKED like a guy who could play. And we never saw him do anything other than a ST’s assignment here or there. On a team in DESPERATE need of ANY pass rush, to let that guy go for nothing just does not make sense.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Good, get rid of the over payed dummies.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
The only thing I can get outta this season is garbage time with palmer and his WRs and TEs.
You just gotta hope something like that pays off for next year.
I’m excited about TP6 as much as the next guy, maybe more. But let’s face it, Palmer will likely (and should) be the starter next year. Why bench him? And if benched, Matt Lienart would start, wouldn’t he?
I think Palmer getting invaluable experience with Moore, DHB, Myers, Streater and Criner is the only thing I’m still watching for. And wins, but I’m just not expecting them anymore.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
[...] Raiders have released linebacker Aaron Curry, ending an experiment that never paid off for the former fourth-overall pick in the 2009 [...]
November 20th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
47.. jesus thats even worse!! Wtf hue??
November 20th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
One more thing you guys blaming the CAP on AL this year.
He was paying JSOUP 4 million dollars. He was not responsible for that PALMER trade nor the contract Raiders took on 13 million this year.. 15 next.. and the 7 million Palmer got paid last year.
Thats why we had guys like WIMBLEY and were probaly gonna pay BUSH this year. That palmer trade Fuggged up the CAP major.. the CURRY DEAL TOO.
AL DIDNT trade for PALMER or CURRY. His books were clean at that time.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
57, and Al woulda gotten around it anyway.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I’m excited about TP6 as much as the next guy, maybe more. But let’s face it, Palmer will likely (and should) be the starter next year. Why bench him? And if benched, Matt Lienart would start, wouldn’t he?
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Yes. The problem is, contrary to what mistic believes the future of the NFL is EXACTLY what is going on now: you need big, strong, incredibly accurate tough guys that can stand and deliver and make all the throws. Peyton, Brady, Eli, Rothleisberger, those are the guys year in and year out. Palmer is one of those guys.
To get a guy like Pryor who is a running type of player, I don’t hold out much hope. Sure, it would be exciting, but he is a better college player than pro player. I cringe to see what NFL ones would do to him out there.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Thats why I hope PRYOR gets a chance. ALL these new guys like Palmer / CURRY were not Al guys.
PRYOR was Al’s last draft pick and everytime Pryor talks about Al he told him to be patient and wait his turn. I was that kid to succeed more then Palmer.
He is hungry. he has desire.. let him play
November 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
BTW where is 504 Raider? I want him to break down his New Orleans Thanksgiving dinner. Man, does that sound good every year.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
AL wasn’t getting around those contracts, who was the last biggest FA we got around here? yeah that’s what i though
November 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Can you ask Mark to fire himself. His decision to get rid of Hue cost us a Superbowl
by Kool Kell 1:51 PM
A Super Bowl? Really? Come on. The Raiders were 8-8 under Hubert and set league records for penalties and yards penalized.
by scorkran 1:52 PM
November 20th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Kell was all up on Hue’s nuts. lol
November 20th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
HA!!! Called that one.
Man he was awful, worse trade than the Palmer trade.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Seattle fleeced the Raiders yet again on that curry trade.
The last real trade to workout was WIMBLEY.. and he was released. Dont look at the sack totals.. look at the pressures.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
62.mcfadden20. Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
AL wasn’t getting around those contracts, who was the last biggest FA we got around here? yeah that’s what i though
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Seymour, Stan Routt, Wimbley, Nnamdi all signed HUGE contracts under Al.
Al always got around em. Sometimes he kicked the can further down the road. Gotta love Al’s passion to win now and actually believe it could be done.
Reg is not kicking anything down the road. I bet he’s cutting bait on all the dead weight.
Next up is Rolando. I hope Seymour retires so that his cap won’t hurt us or maybe we can trade him for some Icy Hot and a JUGS machine. Hate to say it but probably DMC too.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I love how Cork is always clowning on KoolKell, even if it isn’t the real KoolKell.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
AL wasn’t getting around those contracts, who was the last biggest FA we got around here? yeah that’s what i though
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The only big FAs we “signed” were our own guys who we had to overpay not to leave.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Can you ask Mark to fire himself. His decision to get rid of Hue cost us a Superbowl
by Kool Kell 1:51 PM
A Super Bowl? Really? Come on. The Raiders were 8-8 under Hubert and set league records for penalties and yards penalized.
by scorkran 1:52 PM
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Was that you Bigotlow?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Man he was awful, worse trade than the Palmer trade.
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7th and a 5th?
Hardly.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
curry is another weak player that fugged up the cap
November 20th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Bigotlow, do you think by using my name your tweets will get more consideration?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Would most of you guys consider this a great season since the greatest Raider QB of all time Carson Palmer will be breaking record? Even though you will be 4-12 . You must be used to losing any way .
November 20th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Hey Albert #53,
I agree it’s about time to cut all the over paid dummies, but Curry was not expensive. We will see the real overpaid dummies cut in the weeks and months
November 20th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Seymour and Kelly will be next
November 20th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Not sure why the special teams coach is still employed!?!?
Good Lord!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
more reggie mcdvmbasz moves…the guy cant help the team in his best day…
November 20th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
62.mcfadden20. Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
AL wasn’t getting around those contracts, who was the last biggest FA we got around here? yeah that’s what i though
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Seymour, Stan Routt, Wimbley, Nnamdi all signed HUGE contracts under Al.
Al always got around em. Sometimes he kicked the can further down the road. Gotta love Al’s passion to win now and actually believe it could be done.
Reg is not kicking anything down the road. I bet he’s cutting bait on all the dead weight.
Next up is Rolando. I hope Seymour retires so that his cap won’t hurt us or maybe we can trade him for some Icy Hot and a JUGS machine. Hate to say it but probably DMC too.
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THose are all the players he either drafted or got in trade and none of them ever worked out, when was the last game changing FA we got in here, besides Moss
November 20th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
49ER RAIDER KILLA Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Would most of you guys consider this a great season since the greatest Raider QB of all time Carson Palmer will be breaking record? Even though you will be 4-12 . You must be used to losing any way
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IS that you JONGRUDEN2013 = NORCOBOB = AMY
November 20th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Moss was a trade
November 20th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
its everyones fault except the coaches…see andy reid
November 20th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Mcf20,
Deangelo was a trade too.
It pains me to say it, but the last big money FA we signed from another squad was probably Javon Walker.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Seymour and Kelly will be next
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Seymour has played extremely well for us this year and last year. Do you think it is a coincidence that the second he went out we got pasted for 42, 55, and 38?
November 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Kell, bigotlow! Not bagging on you Albert, you alright! But dang that was a funny one Kell!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Norco said he was coming back with a new screen name, that probably is him.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
The Raiders went bargain basement shopping for coaches this offseason. DA had a cheap price tag so did the assistants. Raiders are finding out the hard way, it was the wrong move.
You get what you pay for Mark.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
The Raiders went bargain basement shopping for coaches this offseason. DA had a cheap price tag so did the assistants. Raiders are finding out the hard way, it was the wrong move.
You get what you pay for Mark.
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Actually, no. Reggie did take his time making a decision on who he was bringing in as HC. After that, the pickings were slim. I don’t think cheap had to do with it as much as timing.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Oline folks, Oline, you see what the 9ers have built up front its the only reason why they are winning, why do I say that? their D has been good for some years now but the offense failed to sustain drives leaving the D on the field for most of the game and they would just get tired. Now that they have the oline set the run game has become beastly and Alex smith finally has time to throw and most of all that D stays fresh the full 60 mins and now there almost impossible to sustain a drive on. Now I hate the 9ers so it pains me badly to have to speak of them like this but I have to keep it real and they have built their team the right way, we need to follow suit. Draft oline Reggie, the center from ALA would be a good start.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
2 more years of Dennis ALlen ,Knapp and Palmer! AFC West thanks you! 4-12 for EVER!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Seymour and Kelly will be next
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Kelly is probably gone. He just has not been that effectual for us. Unfortunately.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Mcf20,
Deangelo was a trade too.
It pains me to say it, but the last big money FA we signed from another squad was probably Javon Walker.
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GOD That awful contract and AL still kept him even when J W decided to return the money? see the last FA big time FA who actually did something even for 1 year was SAPP, we can’t draft, trade away picks for washed up scrubs, can’t keep coaches to develop few of the drafter players, can’t compete with major teams by signing good players in FA , list is too long and you guys want SB after last year
November 20th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Oline folks, Oline, you see what the 9ers have built up front its the only reason why they are winning, why do I say that?
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That Whiner Oline yesterday was ridiculous. It was like the Great Wall of China. I bet you could see their Oline from 50 miles in outer space.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Even with the 92 dallas cowboys oline the Raiders would suck . Yall aint winning nothing with a CAREER LOSER at QB ! The Bengals will finally bury him in the dirt this sunday where he fckin belongs !
November 20th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
You dont have to convince me how good Seymour has or hasnt been for the RAiders. Im just telling you most likely whats gonna happen next. Just my opinion.
And yes Reggie took his time.. but did you see his choices? Mike tice? Marty Mortywinheg? Packers linebacker coach? Denvers OC?? bargain shopping. So actually yes. Coaches with cheap price tags.
SHould have went after a VET coach at any level. Shiano included. Harbaugh has a 5 yr 25 million dollar contract.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Oh and the Defense sucks big balls as well. That’s a great defensive guru you got there…
November 20th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
The Raiders went bargain basement shopping for coaches this offseason. DA had a cheap price tag so did the assistants. Raiders are finding out the hard way, it was the wrong move.
You get what you pay for Mark.
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Actually, no. Reggie did take his time making a decision on who he was bringing in as HC. After that, the pickings were slim. I don’t think cheap had to do with it as much as timing.
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Exactly. When other teams were looking at coaches, we brought in a GM (with an unprecedented rebuilding job). This means that when other teams were looking at assistants, we were hiring our HC. This means that when we started looking for assistants, the ones we wanted were either already hired, or their teams were blocking them from interviewing with us.
We won’t have that problem this coming offseason.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Aldon Smith looked like a man possessed last night. On one play he broke through a triple team like nothing. We need one of those!
November 20th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Bigotlow, do you think by using my name your tweets will get more consideration?
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It wasn’t me Kell.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Whiners ain’t going anywhere even with this team , Raiders had plenty of those great seasons where the arcnemesis Steelers had their #’s , 49ers lucky last year they got bye week in playoffs, but they won’t be lucky this year, NO is looking for a payback , GB is looking for a payback ,we all know NYG are still the best team in the league , sorry WHINER FANS
November 20th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Raiders of 2000-2002 were great but didn’t go anywhere , same story with these whiners, they got 2 more years then they will break down , and whiners will down to cellar dweller where they really belong
November 20th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Now the real question is who will be taking CURRY spot on the Roster??
November 20th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Saints are going to crush Whiners next year and WHiners will not have home field advantage in playoffs this year, so they will be ousted in 1st rd
November 20th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I almost wonder if something else didn’t happen. Maybe Curry started jawing off in the locker room or something? Just seems really weird to cut him now.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
The Mack Says:
November 19th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
McFool20 isnt a troll hunter he’s the troll king. Lol He bashes Darren McFadden but uses his name to rep himself like a true closet bundle of sticks. He’s never played a real game of football in pads a day in his life but yet if you dont agree with him you’re a troll because with no actual football experience he somehow knows everything. Lmao What a clown. He and Just fire baby, along with lefty and fangsraider are the biggest losers on this blog behind beechdawg the low life village idiot. Lol
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LOL
November 20th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Now the real question is who will be taking CURRY spot on the Roster??
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Does it matter.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
It’s funny people comes in with new ID’s and call me a troll king… hmmmmmm
November 20th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
i was joking that the Aaaron Curry ” i love Jon gruden as a coach ” tweet got him canned lol
DA probaly saw that last night
November 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Oh come on McFadden20,…am I really the only one here whos hip to whom you are? These people in here truly are slow arent they.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Raiders fans don’t even remember what a playoff game is ! The closest the Raiders ever got was last year and the SUPER CHOKERS and Cry me a Rivers destroyed any hope of that . Fckn losers man !
November 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
and then there are some losers who find those 5 days old posts and post them again at the time i come in here .. hmmmm
November 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
I wish the dude impersonating KrappyRat on the chats and the Twitter page would come forward and take the bow he richly deserves
Such great material, Brah. I’ll let you open for the Beeeech Dawg at one of his next comedy events and even a VIP pass on my Reggae Party Boat
Which reminds me, KrappyRat is an idiot
HOLLA
November 20th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
5th round draft pick is still a pretty big deal. You can find some gems in that round..and for a rebuilding team. We needed that.
November 20th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Oh come on McFadden20,…am I really the only one here whos hip to whom you are? These people in here truly are slow arent they.
49ER RAIDER KILLA Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Raiders fans don’t even remember what a playoff game is ! The closest the Raiders ever got was last year and the SUPER CHOKERS and Cry me a Rivers destroyed any hope of that . Fckn losers man !
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OK AMY , NYG< NO and GB are saying hello to you guys, you guys are still little puppies in that conference compared to those teams , you guys will not win as long as those teams are there and you guys luck would run out pretty soon
November 20th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
5th round draft pick is still a pretty big deal. You can find some gems in that round..and for a rebuilding team. We needed that.
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Go yell at Hue. Please.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I think I was the first to bring the Niners up in here,..trying to upset a few,..now it seems the whole blog is fixated on them,..I will say this, they are moving to the city I grew up in,…if the Raiders do in fact head south, it wont be as hard to switch,..I was born and raised in Santa Clara,…love it more then Kaanapali,…it wouldnt take much for me to switch. Print it if ya like.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RaiderDuck drinking koolaid. We went cheap and you get what u see. Allen is a big maybe a reach. Knapp pollack and Tarver r garbage. Reggie’s brother for scouting?!??! C’mon man!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
True 117. . u get it breh
November 20th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
lol at you guys being hard on BURRIS.
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Not everyone. Just the idiots that hate Reggie. The same idiots that think Al was doing great stuff the past decade.
Burris will be a cornerstone of this defense for years. I have no doubt about it.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Great to see McFlubbin’ still flailing away on the blog, getting creamed at every turn
Nerd, did you tell all your buddies last night at your lame Monday Night Football party, that the Beeeech Diggity owns you on the blog?
That should prompt the following questions:
“You actually know the Beeeech Dawg?”
“He’s totally cool”
“Beeeech is my hero”
Ok, the last 2 weren’t questions but you get the point
WHUT WHUT LIKE A GLAZED DONUT
November 20th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Because you are from Sac McFadden20, I have some respect,…club do me and all,…same haunts,..and you are a clever little guy, will give you that,…however dude I really want you to attend our tailgate,..I have a row 1 seat for you,..all the booze and pot and pills and BBQ you can handle,…nobodys gonna jump ya man, nobody heres in junior high,..come party with me, brien, thec,..hawaiin dude,..others from here,…it would be a great time and you can blog about it here later. Open invitation dude.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I was born and raised in Santa Clara,…love it more then Kaanapali,…it wouldnt take much for me to switch. Print it if ya like.
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You fell out of your mammy’s assz in a pig sty in East Sac. C’mon dude.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
It’s funny all the WHiners fans are coming out of the woods all of a sudden they had their first winning season in awhile , even freaking AL with ALzeihmers (sp) had better teams than niners in last 10 years , Raiders always ruled bay area and always will,
November 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
49ers = great org with a great team !
Raiders = pathetic losers with a Idiot HC and even dumber FANS !
November 20th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Great to see McFlubbin’ still flailing away on the blog, getting creamed at every turn
Nerd, did you tell all your buddies last night at your lame Monday Night Football party, that the Beeeech Diggity owns you on the blog?
That should prompt the following questions:
“You actually know the Beeeech Dawg?”
“He’s totally cool”
“Beeeech is my hero”
Ok, the last 2 weren’t questions but you get the point
WHUT WHUT LIKE A GLAZED DONUT
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You on LUNCH ?? better hurry up before ur GM gets mad
November 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RaiderDuck drinking koolaid. We went cheap and you get what u see. Allen is a big maybe a reach. Knapp pollack and Tarver r garbage. Reggie’s brother for scouting?!??! C’mon man!
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We didn’t go “cheap.” We went young and unproven, because all the top choices assistant-wise had already been spoken for (I believe Tarver was DA’s FIFTH choice for DC). Pollack was recommended by Knapp. The problem was how late we got started, which happened because Reggie came into literally an empty building, organization-wise, and had to build one from the ground up. Nothing like this has happened in professional sports history before.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
49ER RAIDER KILLA Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
49ers = great org with a great team !
Raiders = pathetic losers with a Idiot HC and even dumber FANS !
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MY ASS LOL , you guys had that little 10-14 years run when you guys cheated on the salary cap , nothing else to show for, poor little fellas , this is why it still hurts u whiners fan a lot even with a winning season, right AMY?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Old Kell,..youre in your 60`s,..act your age man.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
this team will continue to svck until da is gone reggie as well…
November 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Cheap hires price tag wise. N its what u get
November 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
this team will continue to svck until da is gone reggie as well…
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Your opinion. In any case, neither is leaving for years.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
#127,..I have season tix in row 1,…section 140,…several from this blog have sat there with me,…you want to be the next?…Browns game?…just say so.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
The problem was how late we got started, which happened because Reggie came into literally an empty building, organization-wise, and had to build one from the ground up. Nothing like this has happened in professional sports history before.
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Yep. It was a one-man clown act for a long time before he arrived.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
A personal foul penalty waiting to happen.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Row 1 Tickets are the worst in the house. Just sayin.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
#127,..I have season tix in row 1,…section 140,…several from this blog have sat there with me,…you want to be the next?…Browns game?…just say so.
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STFU , go back to whiners blog , oh wait i forgot they don’t have one, poor little fans lol
November 20th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Old kell,..maybe you misunderstood,..I wasnt inviting you. No need for an old man with an inferiority complex to ruin everyones day.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
The Niners have blogs in the hundreds,..as do the Raiders,..maybe someone as limited as you think this is the only Raiders blog around. Geez, expand your horizon dude.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Reggie gets a pass. He did what he could.
Signed two capable CBs for bargain, as one was benched and the other injured the year before. Got a great pickup in Wheeler, who should be signed long term. Resigned Branch because it really had to be done. Got Reece long term. Got Goodson in a good trade, let Bush go cause he would cost just a bit too much. Drafted Miles Burris, who should be nice. Signed UDFA Streater, who should be nice. Hired a bright, young up and coming defensive mind.
All in all, Reg has done ok this year considering. Certainly some moves I question, but all involving backups and practice squad guys.
I fully expect us to be active players in the 2nd day free agent market and have a solid draft.
Maybe we can change schemes again and get Norv to be our OC or at least somebody who can run the ZBS better than Knapp.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Go Offseason!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
#127,..I have season tix in row 1,…section 140,…several from this blog have sat there with me,…you want to be the next?…Browns game?…just say so.
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He’s scared to come out from behind his little cpu. Take the offer McFaggen.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
No one even watches Raiders games any more it’s a joke. The Raiders have not had a winning season since getting R@ped by Tampa bay 10 years ago . Have not won a super bowl since 1984 .” Were not losers any more ” hahaha yeah your ARE ! 4-12 homie nuff said !
November 20th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
The Niners have blogs in the hundreds,..as do the Raiders,..maybe someone as limited as you think this is the only Raiders blog around. Geez, expand your horizon dude.
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Well if they had blogs wouldn’t whiners fan be in their own blogs? so i don’t think you guys have blogs as cool as these 1’s that’s fine , your more than welcome to try talk about WHiners in here, i feel your pain AMY
November 20th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
A trade that should have never happened. If a player can’t make it with a lesser team like the Seahawks, why did we acquire that talent? Makes zero sense. Now if only Mark could wake up and smell the turd that is Tommy Kelly, we’d be a lot better off.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
#127,..I have season tix in row 1,…section 140,…several from this blog have sat there with me,…you want to be the next?…Browns game?…just say so.
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He’s scared to come out from behind his little cpu. Take the offer McFaggen.
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I don’t watch games with fags
November 20th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
49ER RAIDER KILLA Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
No one even watches Raiders games any more it’s a joke. The Raiders have not had a winning season since getting R@ped by Tampa bay 10 years ago . Have not won a super bowl since 1984 .” Were not losers any more ” hahaha yeah your ARE ! 4-12 homie nuff said !
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NO they are relevant, thats why your here, we’re always relevant even in down years , while you guys are irrelevant ever after SB wins sad little franchise
November 20th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@ 142. 49ers= years of garbage till they lucked out last year.plus you come in here talking about Raider Q.Bs. get the fuc out of here with that Alex smith, jim drunkenmiller bull schyt. Im sure you also belong to the “Niner Nation” just remember there wasnt one fucn thing,team,organization, that called itself a nation till the Raiders were making there super bowl run 10 years ago. So go back to your 9er page if you have one. Or your “nation”
November 20th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Hard to imagine Raider fans referring to the Niners as Whiners,…see the game last night?…been watching Niner football lately?…if theyre whiners,..what would that make the Raiders?…the Raiders wouldnt score against that team.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Too bad we didn’t get Colin Kaepernick too years ago. Kid is fun to watch…
Wonder if we’ll get a chance to watch Pryor in a live game this year…
November 20th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
McFadden…truthfully, Bob is not a f@g…just saying dude! He ruffles feathers, lol, I will say that!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Old Kell,..youre in your 60`s,..act your age man.
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I second that. The guy is embarrassing himself.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I would assume the Niner fans that hang in here only come here to give it to you, they enjoy seeing you in your misery. Period. And you all give them what you want.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Harbuckle is a loser. Truth. I was alive when he played and he ALWAYS found a way to lose. Always….
November 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
McFail, you’ve been running with the “Beeech Dawg works in a fast food joint” line for weeks now
As a professional comedian, it’s my duty to inform you that you need new material
You can always try the Peemore Nob Bust staple “I’m so afraid of the Dawg I’ll just call him gay”, or try to the KrappyRat classic “Shut up, pootbutt”
First step in going from a Zero to a Hero, holla
November 20th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Duck whats up man your ducks let me down big time, I’m down here in SEC country and the Ducks were my only hope to shut theses guys up. ALA will kill ND. My only hope now is that ND,FLORIDA lose their games and then maybe my boys FSU can sneak in there.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Thanks Hawaiin bro,..hope to see you at Browns game,..just text brien he will give you our row in A lot,…going ot be a hiiiiige tailgate…bring your apetite amn whats left of your liver.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
LOL @ F*ck buddies Eastoakb1tch, JonGRUDEN,BEECH,AL, whiner MR lol, why are you guys so sad ? are you guys lonely? poor little fellows , i hope your mommies can buy tootsie pops when she comes back from work
November 20th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
KrappyRat, I bet your pals King and Queen of Switzerland have no idea you sit around a football blog all day telling bloggers they fell out of their mom’s butt
Keep it classy, old goat. Like Young MC used to do.
BEEECH DAWG STYLE
November 20th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
McFail, you’ve been running with the “Beeech Dawg works in a fast food joint” line for weeks now
As a professional comedian, it’s my duty to inform you that you need new material
You can always try the Peemore Nob Bust staple “I’m so afraid of the Dawg I’ll just call him gay”, or try to the KrappyRat classic “Shut up, pootbutt”
First step in going from a Zero to a Hero, holla
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HAHAHAHAH LOOK on your face is classic , when i tell everyone where you really work , its all good though , i promise not to mention your work place anymore , your life is tough as it is , don’t want to hear you moaning and crying in here further, carry on with your little turd fantasies lmao
November 20th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Youre welcome as are the rest of them McMr20,…going to be an awesome tailgate.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
#127,..I have season tix in row 1,…section 140,…several from this blog have sat there with me,…you want to be the next?…Browns game?…just say so.
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He’s scared to come out from behind his little cpu. Take the offer McFaggen.
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I don’t watch games with fags
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C’mon you’ll fit right in.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Thanks Hawaiin bro,..hope to see you at Browns game,..just text brien he will give you our row in A lot,…going ot be a hiiiiige tailgate…bring your apetite amn whats left of your liver.
Actually, I work that day! But I will be there Thursday night! I will catch you guys then!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
any ways i let you whiners butt buddies talk to each other for a bit since none of you guys have other blog, and your welcome WHiners fans
November 20th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
KrappyRat, I bet your pals King and Queen of Switzerland have no idea you sit around a football blog all day telling bloggers they fell out of their mom’s butt
Keep it classy, old goat.
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What would you know about class, Dumb Beech?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
You leaving McMr20?…adios,..by the way, you wont be missed.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
#127,..I have season tix in row 1,…section 140,…several from this blog have sat there with me,…you want to be the next?…Browns game?…just say so.
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He’s scared to come out from behind his little cpu. Take the offer McFaggen.
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I don’t watch games with fags
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C’mon you’ll fit right in.
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Nah, but i can tell that’s something you enjoy since you can’t get off my nuts since weeks
November 20th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Later Nation
November 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
LOL @ F*ck buddies Eastoakb1tch, JonGRUDEN,BEECH,AL, whiner MR lol, why are you guys so sad ? are you guys lonely? poor little fellows , i hope your mommies can buy tootsie pops when she comes back from work
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Classic McFlame-out
full on MELTDOWN mode
Doesn’t get any easier than that
EMOTICON CITY REPRESENT
November 20th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
LOL @ F*ck buddies Eastoakb1tch, JonGRUDEN,BEECH,AL, whiner MR lol, why are you guys so sad ? are you guys lonely? poor little fellows , i hope your mommies can buy tootsie pops when she comes back from work
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listen to the lil pipsqeek talk tough from his cpu LOL just meet the guys at the game and you can tell’em face to face, buy I know your just punk your fingers tremble even when you type from the comfort of your own hut.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Duck whats up man your ducks let me down big time, I’m down here in SEC country and the Ducks were my only hope to shut theses guys up. ALA will kill ND. My only hope now is that ND,FLORIDA lose their games and then maybe my boys FSU can sneak in there.
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Ugh. Last Saturday was a disaster. And our FG kicker should lose his scholarship.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
AWWW, Mcfaggen20 has to go your mommy finish warming up your chicken nuggets.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Trust this,..that loser will NEVER meet any of us at a game,…Iv met several,..and that guy will go to great lengths to make sure hes never seen.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Just be glad yall have a top 10 QB like Carson Palmer leading you guys to 4 wins a season for the next 4 years! JUST LOSE BABY !
November 20th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
KrappyRat, I bet your pals King and Queen of Switzerland have no idea you sit around a football blog all day telling bloggers they fell out of their mom’s butt
Keep it classy, old goat.
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What would you know about class, Dumb Beech?
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Old fool, I run an upscale, VIP-only Reggae Party Boat that offers the finest shrimp cocktails in all of Marina Del Rey
You wanna talk classy? Got 35 confirmed RSVPs from Spearmint Rhino’s finest for this weekend
November 20th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Trust this,..that loser will NEVER meet any of us at a game,…Iv met several,..and that guy will go to great lengths to make sure hes never seen.
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Who cares you stupid Btch?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Duck whats up man your ducks let me down big time, I’m down here in SEC country and the Ducks were my only hope to shut theses guys up. ALA will kill ND. My only hope now is that ND,FLORIDA lose their games and then maybe my boys FSU can sneak in there.
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Ugh. Last Saturday was a disaster. And our FG kicker should lose his scholarship.
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looks like its Bama’s chamionship to lose.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
49ER RAIDER KILLA Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Just be glad yall have a top 10 QB like Carson Palmer leading you guys to 4 wins a season for the next 4 years! JUST LOSE BABY !
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Says the guy whose team hasn’t been to a Super Bowl since Clinton’s first term. And how pathetic of a human being does someone have to be to troll another team’s blog?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Trust this,..that loser will NEVER meet any of us at a game,…Iv met several,..and that guy will go to great lengths to make sure hes never seen.
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Who cares you stupid Btch? As if people are obliged to sit with your stupid low-classed assz. C’mon Lol.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Old man kell,…I wasnt talking to you, nobody here ever does….youre just a twisted old man talking to himself, drunk on a blog in the middle of the day. Sad old man.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Old man kell,…I wasnt talking to you, nobody here ever does
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But Im talking to you Btch.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
An added benefit of the Curry release is us Twitter followers can finally unsubscribe from Aaron Curry’s God Squad, the high point (or low point, depending on your point of view) was when his pastor referred to me as a “demon” and said I should be thankful he didn’t ask God Almighty to strike me down then and there. Fun times.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
If any of you even for a second think that Reggie did not try to trade Kelly and the remainder of his contact, Palmer to get our first rounder back, McFadden to get another first, McClain to relieve ourselves; then your more dunce than Knapp.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
You really dont think know youre his little imposter?…try a little harder baby, you have yet to fool anyone here.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Old Kell is busy closing about 6 houses right now, while you hack his name and act tough. You need to get a life little dude.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
I’ll ask Him.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Lol.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
If any of you even for a second think that Reggie did not try to trade Kelly and the remainder of his contact, Palmer to get our first rounder back, McFadden to get another first, McClain to relieve ourselves; then your more dunce than Knapp.
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I don’t know that he tried to trade DMac, as DA was pretty high on him in the offseason. The others (except maybe for CP) Reggie no doubt tried to unload.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
You really dont think know youre his little imposter?…try a little harder baby, you have yet to fool anyone here.
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You were born a fool, from a fool, evidently.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Says the guy whose team hasn’t been to a Super Bowl since Clinton’s first term. And how pathetic of a human being does someone have to be to troll another team’s blog?
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So your saying the raping the raiders took in SD by Gruden and tampa was some thing to celebrate ? Wow real fckn losers up in here…
November 20th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
KrappyRat, you’re cracking the Beeech Dawg up!
That’s 2 days in a row now you’re blogging while faded on Malibu Rum
Keep it classy, old Troll. This is a man’s blog.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
yup the reggie excuses continue…how many blowout losses will it take?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
49ER RAIDER KILLA Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Says the guy whose team hasn’t been to a Super Bowl since Clinton’s first term. And how pathetic of a human being does someone have to be to troll another team’s blog?
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So your saying the raping the raiders took in SD by Gruden and tampa was some thing to celebrate ? Wow real fckn losers up in here…
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Your Niners, along with 29 other NFL teams, would have killed their own mothers to go to the Super Bowl (win or lose) that or any other year, and you know it.
And you still haven’t answered what kind of “person” goes to the message board of a team he doesn’t even like just to troll people. Truly, truly pathetic.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Reggie needs to hit the red zone with the Raiders’ first round draft pick in 2013. This will be the foundation of his career as GM for the Raiders.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I see the daily afternoon blog pissing match is in session.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
lol…reggie will pick the slowest, hard worker out there cuz they have the “it” factor…
November 20th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Reggie needs to hit the red zone with the Raiders’ first round draft pick in 2013. This will be the foundation of his career as GM for the Raiders.
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That Star Lotulelei guy wouldn’t be a bad place to start.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
lol…reggie will pick the slowest, hard worker out there cuz they have the “it” factor…
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So I guess Reggie would have picked McClain too?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Beeech!
Howzabout some rhymin’ lines to finish off that beatdown!
November 20th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
WE were close to a playoff team last year.Tired of hearing people defend bottom lip,he’s a fkn dumb oranga.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
he already did….burris…he is just as good at making tackles ten yards downfield…
November 20th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
lol…reggie will pick the slowest, hard worker out there cuz they have the “it” factor…
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As opposed to Al looking at nothing but somebody’s 40 time?
November 20th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
WE were close to a playoff team last year.Tired of hearing people defend bottom lip,he’s a fkn dumb oranga.
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Hi, I’m Oakfoshow. People call me Oakfoshow.
November 20th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Reggie keeping Boss, Routt, Wimbley, Campbell, Bush would’ve equaled same record as we now have, maybe 5-5 at best and worse off salary cap wise next off season.
Time to play Pryor to see if we need to use our 1st rounder on a QB or not.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Hue’s coming to CAL. One step closer to his old gig.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
The human iq retardant is back. lol
November 20th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
As opposed to Al looking at nothing but somebody’s 40 time?
202.RaiderDuck Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
WE were close to a playoff team last year.Tired of hearing people defend bottom lip,he’s a fkn dumb oranga.
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Hi, I’m Oakfoshow. People call me Oakfoshow.
=============================================== Your daughter calls me horsepecker.HP for short you little pzzy.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
oakfoshow was so right huh.Some of you cant handle it.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
SUP BLOG GOOBS
Any of you brahs know how to get massive amounts of duece stain off the wall? Seems to much pepperoni and cheese pizza last night made the Dawg Lawg door come off the hinges before I could find a safe haven, if yawl know what I mean. Whut? Covered the entire wall of the penthouse. But its all good. Posse got it on video. Holla.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Hey Kook, the local Walgreens run outta your meds again?
November 20th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
JLofty Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Hey Kook, the local Walgreens run outta your meds again?
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What meds, Btch?
November 20th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Beechy dawg there you are. hey guys beechy dawg and i are back together and we spend all our time together. thats why beechy hasn’t been here much. come one beechy lets go back to the crib and make some peanut butter and cream. he loves when i do that to him
November 20th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
JLofty Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Hey Kook, the local Walgreens run outta your meds again?
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What meds, Btch?
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Said in a James Earl Jones voice
November 20th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Scourge Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Beeech!
Howzabout some rhymin’ lines to finish off that beatdown!
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Brah I’m concentrating right now on new comedy material for my big gig tonight at the Ritz bar
But if the inspiration for dope lyrics hits my nads I’ll drop ‘em like its hot
WUZZUP
November 20th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
781.weaselbit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am
I think Wiz left because they came in and took what was working and changed it to sh@t.
^^^^^^^
Yep! Doesn’t say much about McK’s or DA’s team strength and weakness evaluation skills.
Rookie mistakes.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
781.weaselbit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am
I think Wiz left because they came in and took what was working and changed it to sh@t.
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Yep.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Duck #181,
You should change your handle to RaiderDemon, heretic!
November 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
I agree! Wiz saw the writing on the wall. Family time, my a$$. His family’s on the o-line.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
K-Rat, how many bottles of Malibu do you pound in a day?
On average
November 20th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
wow…Its bad enough i have to mix and match the Raider Roster on Madden 13 just to stay competitive but they just released the fastest LB we had in the game. This team blows.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
I agree! Wiz saw the writing on the wall. Family time, my a$$. His family’s on the o-line.
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Sometimes when your young you think that you wont make the same mistakes as someone else. DA made a rookie decision by thinking Knapp would work. He made it even worse by having the offense fit knapp instead of the other way around.
Will he make another bad decision by keeping Knapp???
November 20th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
last night beechy dawg and i went to this comedy open mic down the street from fubar. but beechy was to nervous to do his thing. this kid was parking cars out back so beechy gave him a hand job and we went home. that kid was pretty cute but he wouldnt come back with beechy and me
November 20th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
but we have burris… he always gets up after getting knocked down….must have that “it” factor….
November 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
In the end DA and KNAPP might be on the same bus on the way outta here. At least they will still be Golfing buddies.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Im telling you.. the only there is only 3 guys that should be drafted by the Raiders in the TOP 5 or trade down.
Manti Te’o Leader plus 6ints
Jarvis Jones Pass rusher OLB
Demantri Moore DE/PassRusher/ OLB Sacks and Tackles leader in SEC .. and his mentor and good friend is VON MILLER both texas am homies.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Well.I haven’t been insulted for a couple days. Do I have to have an opinion on anything, or is my presence enough?
November 20th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
This picture is priceless. From Curry’s twitter feed
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A8LmHbGCQAA9cLh.png:large
November 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
224.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Im telling you.. the only there is only 3 guys that should be drafted by the Raiders in the TOP 5 or trade down.
Manti Te’o Leader plus 6ints
Jarvis Jones Pass rusher OLB
Demantri Moore DE/PassRusher/ OLB Sacks and Tackles leader in SEC .. and his mentor and good friend is VON MILLER both texas am homies.
^^^^^^^^^
Agreed! Te’o or Jones would be great picks for this Raider team.
I think Te’o would be the better pick though. He can do it all and would be the instant new leader of the defense for years to come!
November 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Well.I haven’t been insulted for a couple days. Do I have to have an opinion on anything, or is my presence enough?
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You smell like Llama piss.
November 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Let’s get some smiley faces in here, Mr.Purvis!
November 20th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Raiders will most likely have to trade down. There are just too many holes to fill.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says: You smell like Llama piss.==
Thank you. I’ll be back.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Actually, puss, right now, you probably don’t want the details.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
You know what would make for great television? An hour long special focused on a meet up event with the participants of this blog. It would be like watching a car crash.
Where should we have it? Ricky’s ? Maybe Chilis or TGIF Fridays is more fitting.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Because you are from Sac McFadden20, I have some respect,…club do me and all,…same haunts,..and you are a clever little guy, will give you that,…however dude I really want you to attend our tailgate,..I have a row 1 seat for you,..all the booze and pot and pills and BBQ you can handle,…nobodys gonna jump ya man, nobody heres in junior high,..come party with me, brien, thec,..hawaiin dude,..others from here,…it would be a great time and you can blog about it here later. Open invitation dude.
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C’mon. You’re gonna kill him. Admit it.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Soup sure played awesome last night. Reggie, should’ve kept him..Wonder if Cuntler gets his job back when his melon heals up….
HuhhWhhat? Nevermind then…
November 20th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Now if they can just waive Knapp.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Raiders gonna bring up Burnett from PS or some packer reject?
November 20th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
morilla Says:
You know what would make for great television? An hour long special focused on a meet up event with the participants of this blog. It would be like watching a car crash.
Where should we have it? Ricky’s ? Maybe Chilis or TGIF Fridays is more fitting.==============================
Tailgate. I’m there!
November 20th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Everybody’s been invited all these years, few show up.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
C’mon. You’re gonna kill him. Admit it.
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Norco would never kill any of us…at least not in a public place like a stadium…
November 20th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
morilla Says:
You know what would make for great television? An hour long special focused on a meet up event with the participants of this blog. It would be like watching a car crash.
Where should we have it? Ricky’s ? Maybe Chilis or TGIF Fridays is more fitting.==============================
Tailgate. I’m there!
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That would make a great reality show. Documenting the lives of people who frequent a blog for the NFL’s worst team over the past 10 years. Or, it could be an ESPN 30 for 30 documentary.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I’d settle for putting Knapp on the Designated to Return IR list, just stash him there then waive him when the new league year begins.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
It might also be like watching To Catch a Predator.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
morilla Says:
You know what would make for great television? An hour long special focused on a meet up event with the participants of this blog. It would be like watching a car crash.
Where should we have it? Ricky’s ? Maybe Chilis or TGIF Fridays is more fitting.==============================
Tailgate. I’m there!
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Me and my Dad have been hanging at the Bad Boyz of BBQ tailgate for the past 3 years for pregame. We are skipping this year for obvious reasons.
Next year you guys need to give me your spot.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I think it would be a better subject for a psychological evaluation of trauma in sports fandom. Start with the Ravens AFC Championship game, plow right through the Snow Bowl and the Super Bowl to the Russell draft.
Man, I just got so depressed.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
The Rose Bowl was just approved to be the temporary home of any NFL teams moving to L.A.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/
November 20th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Papertiger418 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I think it would be a better subject for a psychological evaluation of trauma in sports fandom. Start with the Ravens AFC Championship game, plow right through the Snow Bowl and the Super Bowl to the Russell draft.
Man, I just got so depressed.
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Great idea.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
230.Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Raiders will most likely have to trade down. There are just too many holes to fill.
^^^^^^
To add even more picks, McK is going to need to trade DMC and or Ford.
The Jets are desperate for playmakers and they wanted DMC real bad before we picked him in the draft.
They would give up a 1st and and a 3rd at the least.
McK should start high and ask for two 1st rounders for DMC and work from there.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
The Rose Bowl was just approved to be the temporary home of any NFL teams moving to L.A.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/
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I still say it’s gonna be the Chargers at the Rose Bowl and the Raiders at the LA Coliseum until their new stadia (Farmer’s Field and Los Angeles Stadium in Industry, respectively) are built.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
McK should start high and ask for two 1st rounders for DMC and work from there.
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After this season??? We’d be lucky to get a single third-rounder for DMac.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
The Rose Bowl was just approved to be the temporary home of any NFL teams moving to L.A.=======================
Grew up a couple miles from there.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
RaiderDuck Says: new stadia============================
The plural of stadium.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I don’t understand Pat Lee getting axed or Spencer placed on I.R. about a week before he’s due back … when our secondary sucks
I don’t understand cutting former starter Aaron Curry fresh off a contract extension when he’s played less than 20 snaps coming off of injury either
seem like knee jerk reactions to me and making Terrelle Pryor inactive every week is puzzling too. Leinart is a 1-year stopgap and Palmer is turning the ball over like Kerry Collins, Jay Cutler & Brett Favre in their gunslingin’ days. This guy needs to get groomed. Pryor should at the very least be good for a few trick plays
I told YOU PEOPLE that Denver’s defense was average last year after being awful the year before. Allen didn’t make it great. Now we’re seeing just how special our defense is with him in charge. He’s not Wade Phillips or Dick LeBeau fellas. Him & Tarver are both rookies. It’s like Irv Eatman & Jackie Slater trying to co-coach our offensive line in 2006. DA is 0-3 versus his former employers Falcons/Saints/Broncos this season. Mark Davis sounds pissed and he’s giving Reggie an earful
I don’t think this team is headed in the right direction. I think Hue Jackson gets his “revenge game” at just the right time. All I can say is that I’m willing to bet if this team doesn’t finish 7-9 or better it will be gutted, players & coaches.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Raiders will most likely have to trade down. There are just too many holes to fill.
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Yup, Reggie is gonna wheel & deal. try to find bargains
no friggin way he just sits there and takes the BPA each time
November 20th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
maybe somebody should tell the coaching staff that having 3 injury prone fumblers at RB isn’t going to lead to a successful ground attack
McFadden/Goodson/Jones
RB Reece
FB Schmitt
do it!!
November 20th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Needed a new DC, needed a new OC, still do not understand sh1tcanning the Special Teams staff other than to put your ’stamp’ on it. Doesn’t make sense.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Raiders will most likely have to trade down. There are just too many holes to fill.
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Yup, Reggie is gonna wheel & deal. try to find bargains
no friggin way he just sits there and takes the BPA each time
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Yup. Look at the evidence. He had two tradeable picks in last year’s draft, and traded down on one of them.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
McK should start high and ask for two 1st rounders for DMC and work from there.
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After this season??? We’d be lucky to get a single third-rounder for DMac.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
We traded Doug Jolley for a 1st and Philip Buchanon for a 2nd.
I’m sure we can get a 2nd for a freakish athletic RB with great hands. If it wasn’t for his durability issues, we can get a 1st.
November 20th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Needed a new DC, needed a new OC, still do not understand sh1tcanning the Special Teams staff other than to put your ’stamp’ on it. Doesn’t make sense.
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Didn’t Fassel leave while Reggie was still interviewing HC candidates?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
“Have you heard of that 3rd string QB out of Murray State- Larvdarious Freeman? This kid is special. Wave of the future.by Mistic the Supavillian 12:33 PM”
I was reading the live chat and when I saw this I had to laugh!
November 20th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
if we’re gonna blow up the team and start over, you gotta look at the vets with huge contracts …
Seymour & Kelly gone. Huff & Branch gone. McClain & Tollefson gone.
offensively?
McFadden & Ford gone. Leinart & Barnes gone. Willie Smith & Cooper Carlisle gone. DHB restructured. Pryor = #2 QB
November 20th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
I don’t understand Pat Lee getting axed or Spencer placed on I.R. about a week before he’s due back … when our secondary sucks
I don’t understand cutting former starter Aaron Curry fresh off a contract extension when he’s played less than 20 snaps coming off of injury either
seem like knee jerk reactions to me and making Terrelle Pryor inactive every week is puzzling too. Leinart is a 1-year stopgap and Palmer is turning the ball over like Kerry Collins, Jay Cutler & Brett Favre in their gunslingin’ days. This guy needs to get groomed. Pryor should at the very least be good for a few trick plays
I told YOU PEOPLE that Denver’s defense was average last year after being awful the year before. Allen didn’t make it great. Now we’re seeing just how special our defense is with him in charge. He’s not Wade Phillips or Dick LeBeau fellas. Him & Tarver are both rookies. It’s like Irv Eatman & Jackie Slater trying to co-coach our offensive line in 2006. DA is 0-3 versus his former employers Falcons/Saints/Broncos this season. Mark Davis sounds pissed and he’s giving Reggie an earful
I don’t think this team is headed in the right direction. I think Hue Jackson gets his “revenge game” at just the right time. All I can say is that I’m willing to bet if this team doesn’t finish 7-9 or better it will be gutted, players & coaches.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Podunkers Rule!!
Ask Dell how he feels about Huff playing CB, and please ask him to show up so he can eat his special crow dish served by Raider O.
Huff can’t play CB my a$$!
November 20th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Didn’t Fassel leave while Reggie was still interviewing HC candidates?
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Yes – as did Sanjay Lal, Mike Waufle & TE Coach (Henry?)
November 20th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Ford is not going anywhere. He is cheap, the best returner we had in years, and he is a weapon on offense.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
61.Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
BTW where is 504 Raider? I want him to break down his New Orleans Thanksgiving dinner. Man, does that sound good every year.
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LMAO! Too early to release. The cooks (women in the family) are at it right now. I will post it on Thursday. But right now the smell from my kitchen is sooo good.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
whats up, O?
how have you been?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
He is cheap, the best returner we had in years, and he is a weapon on offense.
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re-sign Johnnie Lee!!
November 20th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
I think if Wylie would have stayed, Big Wiz would have stayed.
we should have replaced Hue Jax with somebody who ran a similar offense
thats continuity…
gonna hire Reggie & Dennis??
fine. just get some quality coordinators
why the heck did we snag the guy that KC just fired (Hoffman)?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
whats up, O?
how have you been?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I’m sick of losing and being right about Knapp (lol) and the rest of the staff.
I miss the old days and reading your posts/ arguing with you.
You need to post more often. You are a Semi, so start acting like one. lol
I hope all is well with you and your family. How is little RaiderRockstar. My and the wife want another one. I hope it’s a boy.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
He is cheap, the best returner we had in years, and he is a weapon on offense.
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re-sign Johnnie Lee!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I wanted us to draft him, he had 80+ catches in his SR year at UTEP. I think we failed to develop good talent like him, TH, S Brown, etc…
November 20th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Ford is still on his 4th round draft contract, cheap monies, not air if this IR season counts towards rfa/UFA status.
Palmer, Seymour, Kelly, McClain, McFadden and Huff most expensive contracts on the books as is Lechler and Janokowski’s.
I expect only two at the most to be wearing the silver & black next season.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
People that should be fired after this season:
1- Tarver
2- Knapp
3- Hoffman
4- OL coach
5- DL coach
Players that should be released:
1- Seymour
2- TK
Draft:
1- DE
2- CB
3- NT
4- OL
5- S
6- RB
November 20th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I’d get rid of Ford if we could get that kind Austin out of West Viriginia
November 20th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
With the exception of Branch, Huff, and Mitchell I recall all others to be one year deals and free agents at season’s end.
Allen might as well sign/activate Chekwa for Curry’s spot.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
I forgot to add Lechler to Playets who should be released.
A $6 million punter is a luxury that we can’t afford.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Allen might as well sign/activate Chekwa for Curry’s spot.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Excellent idea, abd activate TP. The season is over, so let’s evaluate the young talent on our roster.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
O, definitely DE with first round, may need to use 3rd and 4th to get into 2nd to draft a cb, qb, lb worth a roster spot.
I would be ecstatic if the Raiders draft Notre Dame’s MLB in the first.
Then drafted the best DE in the 2nd round.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I would not be surprised if Dennis Allen is biding his time and significantly retools the staff early in the off-season. Surely the guy was handicapped with the late start and the fact that he’s a new guy. Coaches are just like everyone else. Tough to walk from a sure thing just to take a flyer on a rookie.
Knapp gets “sacraficed” maybe the line coach too. Hoffman was a very respected ST coach in the league not sure what the F* happend to our ST unit this year…
November 20th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RaiderDuck Says: Didn’t Fassel leave while Reggie was still interviewing HC candidates?===================
I don’t think you leave if you’re being ‘considered’ favorably. If you’re being ‘considered’, he11 yeah, you leave. That’s my point. What was wrong with them last year?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Pryor should be activated for either of two reasons:
1) Discover if he is our franchise qb
or
2) let’s see if a few teams want Pryor to be their starting qb and give us a 1st to 3rd round draft pick.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
JLofty Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I would not be surprised if Dennis Allen is biding his time and significantly retools the staff early in the off-season.
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No schit Sherlock?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
O, definitely DE with first round, may need to use 3rd and 4th to get into 2nd to draft a cb, qb, lb worth a roster spot.
I would be ecstatic if the Raiders draft Notre Dame’s MLB in the first.
Then drafted the best DE in the 2nd round.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Leon McFadden is a solid CB from SDSU
DE Brandon Jenkins was a 1st RD prospect before he had s season ending injury. He may redshirt, but if he doesn’t he could be available in the 2nd or 3rd. I like this kid a lot.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
KK Munster, how is Reggie doing as a GM?
3-7, no ?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
I’m not sure about that ND LB. He is a great college player, but I’m not a fan of drafting LBs that high.
Curry
McClain
November 20th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Kook, do I need to Faceboook Jackie tell her to get you back on your daily dose??!?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RaiderRetribution Says: 2) let’s see if a few teams want Pryor to be their starting qb and give us a 1st to 3rd round draft pick.======================================
We picked him late 3rd supplemental. Would you trade a 1st, 2nd, or maybe a 3rd for him?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Tarver was not exactly Allen’s first choice at DC; we were all excited at the high reward ceiling, just has not worked out.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
JLofty Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I would not be surprised if Dennis Allen is biding his time and significantly retools the staff early in the off-season.
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No schit Sherlock?
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That was kind of uncalled for, wasn’t it?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Hey O for every McStiff or Curry there’s a Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews out there….
Drafting is a risk, its why I supported the rookie sal cap, the big $$ should go to guys who earned it already.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Hi,my name is raiderduck.People call me cok breath the child molester.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Maybe Reggie/DA aren’t activating Pryor because they are sold on him not ever being an NFL starting QB and will leave the pre season reps he got as a means of bargining for a decent draft pick in a trade?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
JLofty Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Hey O for every McStiff or Curry there’s a Brian Cushing or Clay Mathews out there….
Drafting is a risk, its why I supported the rookie sal cap, the big $$ should go to guys who earned it already.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Cushing and Mathews were not top 10 picks. If we want that kid, we should trade down and hope he is available.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
My name’s Oakofshow. I like dem taters.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Maybe Reggie/DA aren’t activating Pryor because they are sold on him not ever being an NFL starting QB and will leave the pre season reps he got as a means of bargining for a decent draft pick in a trade?
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That’s a good possibility. Tebow is still trade-able too because he didn’t get a chance to suck this year.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
I hate Reggie the bottom lip oranga.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Maybe Reggie/DA aren’t activating Pryor because they are sold on him not ever being an NFL starting QB and will leave the pre season reps he got as a means of bargining for a decent draft pick in a trade?
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Maybe.
It’s not like they are great talent evaluators.
-#65
- 26 YO rookie
November 20th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Gangsta Pudding!
November 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
I hate Reggie the bottom lip oranga.
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He hates you too Slingblade.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
trade down and hope he is available.
293.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
My name’s Oakofshow. I like dem taters.
====================================================== Shut up.Lets talk about how you kept saying how great we would be this year idiot.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
trade down and hope he is available.
293.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
My name’s Oakofshow. I like dem taters.
====================================================== Shut up.Lets talk about how you kept saying how great we would be this year idiot.
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I never said we would be great you idiot.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
How close is Manti and his 6ints this year to patrick willis (10th overall) or Brian Urlacher?
btw I dont care what anyone says.. this defense needs players makers and a punt returner. I’d take my chances on Tyrann Mathiue. Ya he has a chip on his shoulder and small but still.
That kid put up grown man numbers in the SEC in two years. Sacks, INTS, PUNT RETURNS for TD, had like 7 forced fumbles and was a heisman finalist as a sophmore.
Just gotta tell him to stop smoking like Tim linecum and Randy moss did.
Brandon flowers is only 5ft 9 185 pounds.. Joselio hansen is not big either. REggie took a chance on Brandon Underwood and he did 3x worse of a thing did TYRANN did.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
I’d use a 3rd rounder if he is still there on tyrann mathieu. NFL draft guys are saying if he has a good NFL draft combine he could get back up there to early 3rd round.
janoris jenkins was a 2nd rounder. someone will take a chance
November 20th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Morons who predicted playoffs for Reggie’s Raiders this year. RaiderDuck the child molester,Albert Bigelow Pain what dumb filthy whore would name her kid ALBERT? Raider O The expert who is never right about anything,MiamiRaider78 wet back with no green card.You guys should leave this blog due to embarressment.Fkn dip shts.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Draft my guy out of The U
Ray Ray Armstrong-Safety…he might go in the 3rd or 4th rd. Got some comparisons to the late Sean Taylor. =)
November 20th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
year idiot.
300.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
trade down and hope he is available.
293.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
My name’s Oakofshow. I like dem taters.
====================================================== Shut up.Lets talk about how you kept saying how great we would be this year idiot.
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I never said we would be great you idiot.
Yea you did,over and over.Now get the fk out here ya fkn retard.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine SaysThat was kind of uncalled for, wasn’t it=========================================
I would take no offense at anything anybody says with the runaway troll in full masturbation mode. That might have been KK, maybe not.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Its gonna take some time to develop this scheme. AH HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA. you guys are dumber than a sack of fkn hammers!
November 20th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Oakfoshow, you talk about the same things, over and over and over again. The only time you might get feedback is when you start insulting people. Share some of your football insight instead of the same ole boring crap.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Oakofshow, you are dumb as rocks. Actually, I take that back. That is an insult to rocks.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
308.MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Oakfoshow, you talk about the same things, over and over and over again. The only time you might get feedback is when you start insulting people. Share some of your football insight instead of the same ole boring crap.================================================== Go back and check blogs after the Allen/Knapp hireing.You will see plenty of great football insight. Just admit you were wrong,and I’de be good with that.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
309.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Oakofshow, you are dumb as rocks. Actually, I take that back. That is an insult to rocks.
What dumb filthy whore would name her kid Albert?Jeez,must of knew you were gonna be a complete moron.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RaiderDuck Says: Didn’t Fassel leave while Reggie was still interviewing HC candidates?===================
I don’t think you leave if you’re being ‘considered’ favorably. If you’re being ‘considered’, he11 yeah, you leave. That’s my point. What was wrong with them last year?
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If Fassel received an offer from another team while Reggie was interviewing HC candidates, he’d be nuts to stay. Why pass up a guaranteed job when the new HC might want his own guy?
November 20th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
I hate all the Reggie lovers who still think he will develope a winning team. 3-7 hasnt taught you a damn thing.
November 20th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
And Oakfoshow the Internet Tough Guy continues to have no purpose in life except to harass his betters and name-call.
What a pathetic excuse for a human being. You are truly the definitive argument for contraception.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Oakofshow, you are dumb as rocks. Actually, I take that back. That is an insult to rocks.
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And you and Purvis are the gossipiest little btches on this blog.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Mark Davis will drop Reggie and his bottom lip back off at the zoo where he found him.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Like I give a fck if I was wrong? That will never make me any less of a Raider fan nor will I lose sleep over it. On the other hand, give us a take on what the Raiders should do; draft, FA, coaches, personnel, schemes???
Bottom lips, orangs, baboons, wetbacks??? That has nothing to do with football. It’s the only reason bloggers view you as a complete and utter joke.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
314.RaiderDuck Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
And Oakfoshow the Internet Tough Guy continues to have no purpose in life except to harass his betters and name-call.
What a pathetic excuse for a human being. You are truly the definitive argument for contraception.
Lets talk about all your predictions in front of everybody,than we will talk about mine.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
317.MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Like I give a fck if I was wrong? That will never make me any less of a Raider fan nor will I lose sleep over it. On the other hand, give us a take on what the Raiders should do; draft, FA, coaches, personnel, schemes???
Bottom lips, orangs, baboons, wetbacks??? That has nothing to do with football. It’s the only reason bloggers view you as a complete and utter joke.
==================================================== Your not a raider fan.To fkn stupid.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Exactly, thank you for proving my point.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
RaiderDuck,staying away from them school yards aint ya?Remember what your parol officer said.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
How the fck can I have respect for any of the dipshts that argued with me daily on this years team?Look at yourselfs.Dumber than sht.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
320.MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Exactly, thank you for proving my point.
Tax paying Americans only please.Thanks.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
3-7.Reggies one brilliant bigfeet huh?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Whenever you’re done, let us know so we can get back to talking about football. Thanks
BTW,No one really gives a shet if you respect us or not.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving, Oakfoshow!
November 20th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
morilla Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
You know what would make for great television? An hour long special focused on a meet up event with the participants of this blog. It would be like watching a car crash.
Where should we have it? Ricky’s ? Maybe Chilis or TGIF Fridays is more fitting.
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What a great idea. I hereby claim it because I was the one that came up with the idea of selling it Showtime for $75mm.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Have a Happy Thanksgiving, Oakfoshow!
Thats nice.Happy Thanksgiving to you to silly.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
And you and Purvis are the gossipiest little btches on this blog.============================================
Won’t you please post as me so I don’t feel left out? Or is Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure too much for you to type and you haven’t mastered the intricacies of copy and paste yet?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
326.Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
morilla Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
You know what would make for great television? An hour long special focused on a meet up event with the participants of this blog. It would be like watching a car crash.
Where should we have it? Ricky’s ? Maybe Chilis or TGIF Fridays is more fitting.
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What a great idea. I hereby claim it because I was the one that came up with the idea of selling it Showtime for $75mm.
================================================= I would be the undefeated star of that show.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I am more displease with Reggie than DA. Reggie dismantle the core of the Raiders. He was more concerned with getting his guy than keeping the backbone for the Raiders intact.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
330.2romes Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I am more displease with Reggie than DA. Reggie dismantle the core of the Raiders. He was more concerned with getting his guy than keeping the backbone for the Raiders intact.
Exactly right,but Dennis Allen sucks to.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
So what do the non impresive raiders do now after all this mess, which by the way I predicted all along while many of you followed the team like a bunch of lambs.
Theres only one problem in the raiders current state of afairs, and that problem is KNAPP.
That stupid man wrecked the offense installing a non working system. That created a lot of stupid 3 and outs, and zero momentum, which in turn pressured the defense while it still played good, to play out of their capability, resulting in letdowns, and just giving up because the offense kept giving the ball back, or just scoring 3 points instead of 7.
So fire KNAPP, now, and start again to see if DA has any coaching accumen.
If we had a semblance of an offense, the defense would be better.
And dont give me that crap that we have a number one passer in yards etc, cause all that is in gargabe time when it doesnt matter anymore.
Truth is that offense is ofensive.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
I hope Mark has some of his dad in him.YOUR FIRED GET OUT with cause and no pay.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
I wonder what it was about Winston Moss that he wasn’t sold on.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
332.JT Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
So what do the non impresive raiders do now after all this mess, which by the way I predicted all along while many of you followed the team like a bunch of lambs.
Theres only one problem in the raiders current state of afairs, and that problem is KNAPP.
That stupid man wrecked the offense installing a non working system. That created a lot of stupid 3 and outs, and zero momentum, which in turn pressured the defense while it still played good, to play out of their capability, resulting in letdowns, and just giving up because the offense kept giving the ball back, or just scoring 3 points instead of 7.
So fire KNAPP, now, and start again to see if DA has any coaching accumen.
If we had a semblance of an offense, the defense would be better.
And dont give me that crap that we have a number one passer in yards etc, cause all that is in gargabe time when it doesnt matter anymore.
Truth is that offense is ofensive.
And who do you think hired that loser,and who do you think hired the loser that hired him?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
This embaressment is all on Reggie,and you people should hate his fkn guts for it if you were true Raider fans!
November 20th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
DA has the it factor? Really doubt that of he has to consult with Dan Reeves, who was a good coach, but doesnt inspire confidence.
By the way, DA, if youre reading this blog, cut the crap and fire Knapp, thats your problem right now and its been since the preseason when the offense was pathetic.
FIRE KNAPP FIRE KNAPP… dont need to be a rocket scientist.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
DA,Reggie,Knapp= sht factor. 3-7
November 20th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
oakfoshow Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
332.JT Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
So what do the non impresive raiders do now after all this mess, which by the way I predicted all along while many of you followed the team like a bunch of lambs.
Theres only one problem in the raiders current state of afairs, and that problem is KNAPP.
That stupid man wrecked the offense installing a non working system. That created a lot of stupid 3 and outs, and zero momentum, which in turn pressured the defense while it still played good, to play out of their capability, resulting in letdowns, and just giving up because the offense kept giving the ball back, or just scoring 3 points instead of 7.
So fire KNAPP, now, and start again to see if DA has any coaching accumen.
If we had a semblance of an offense, the defense would be better.
And dont give me that crap that we have a number one passer in yards etc, cause all that is in gargabe time when it doesnt matter anymore.
Truth is that offense is ofensive.
And who do you think hired that loser,and who do you think hired the loser that hired him?
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Regie Millen hired him. Ive had to wait for a while to see how he operates, what players he acquires etc, and Im still undecided.
I think Regie was blinded by DA and his it factor personality and people skills, and what people said of him in other jobs, but its been 10 games and when a team regreses, its because the players stopped caring and buying in. The coach is just a regular coach, maybe a good DC, but a coach, no, dont think so.
But im willing to give him a 2nd season if he cuts Knapp and hires a good OC…
I think the knows he made a mistake in hiring Knapp.
If he doesnt, then he has bad judgement
November 20th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Saunders is on staff RIGHT NOW!
There is no reason not to give him more authority immediately. transistion fully over the next two weeks and let Knapp and Pollack go.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Yes, I believed from the Start he was not a good fit for the Raiders at the time. He may be good coach but he is not a good fit of the Raiders right now. What was worst is Reggie should have saw that. Now some want us,The Raiders Nation, to believe we are some kind of expansion team. Who’s ideal is that?
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oakfoshow Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
330.2romes Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I am more displease with Reggie than DA. Reggie dismantle the core of the Raiders. He was more concerned with getting his guy than keeping the backbone for the Raiders intact.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Meanwhile Oakfoshow and his partner-in-sodomy Fangsraiders gamely pretend that we care what their racist selves think.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I cant remember a season under Al Davis being this bad. NO progress, and its getting worse.
Im afraid now that Rmac will purge the roster even more of Al Davis players and get his players.
But Ill give him a pass if they get rid of the only problem of the raiders, KNAPP.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
The way I understand it, Saunders doesn’t want to be OC. He wants to be an assistant. Too old..
November 20th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I was listening to the Chicago sports talk show. The host called Jason Campbell “Discount Double Check Down”. I can’t believe no one on this blog ever thought of that one.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Tom Feakin Cable (he of the mighty fist) had the wisdom and the balls to rid himself of Knapp!!!!! And DA doesn’t?!?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
#128; There were coaches out there when Spuds hired Allen. Can you say Gruden, Steve Mariachi, Brian Billack,(winners). There were also many quality college coaches.. Dennis Allen had/has NO record of success. He had just come off a season in which he coached the NFL’s 20th ranked defense. A defense that is now far better since he left.
McKenzie brought in a terrible coach and piss poor free agents. He also bombed in the draft
November 20th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
I was one of the bloggers here that blasted Al Davis on a regular basis, saying we needed a GM, I admit that.
But never remember a season being so underachieved by a raider team. They have players, we have seem them play good in spurts, its just the coaching staff if out of sorts trying to fix something, the offense, that only needed upgrade.
Now its too late, and it may get worse guys.
Do you really think Cinci is going to lay down in their stadium?
Hue and the Palmer haters have been waiting for this game.
It may get ugly, and after 3-8, start #6 Pryor?
I would, and fire Knapp too.
We may have a good QB in #6. They should do that.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
JT Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
I was one of the bloggers here that blasted Al Davis on a regular basis, saying we needed a GM, I admit that.
But never remember a season being so underachieved by a raider team.
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Always remember that when a new coach or new regime comes in, they are going to want their own players to fit their own scheme. So, basically other than Goodson, Wheeler, Bergstrom and Burris, EVERY OTHER PLAYER was a lame duck and working to win a job. I am sure some players are soooooo tired of the revolving door here that they just want out. This is going to be a 3-4 year rebuild job. If the Raiders can be competitive two years from now, that would be great.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
So at this point should Mark Davis tell John Madden and Ron Wolf “fk you guys, you sold me on the wrong GM” and fire Reggie?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Derek Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
#128; There were coaches out there when Spuds hired Allen. Can you say Gruden, Steve Mariachi, Brian Billack,(winners). There were also many quality college coaches.. Dennis Allen had/has NO record of success. He had just come off a season in which he coached the NFL’s 20th ranked defense. A defense that is now far better since he left.
McKenzie brought in a terrible coach and piss poor free agents. He also bombed in the draft
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Gruden — Overrated broadcaster. Pass.
Mariucci — Ditto. Pass.
Brian Billick — Had the good fortune to be on the Ravens’ staff when Marvin Lewis’ defense won a Super Bowl.
Meanwhile, Reggie’s drafted one starter (Burris) and two more growing contributors (Criner and Bergstrom). Not bad for only so few picks.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
347. Thank you. Spot on in that DA has no real cred.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
I wonder what it was about Winston Moss that he wasn’t sold on.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hire Winston Moss as DC/ Assistant HC.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
I mean look at Jared Veldheer. Veldheer is a very solid guy who has had 3 head coaches and 3 position coaches in 3 years. That has got to be just ridiculously confusing for a young player. You compare that to Gilbride and Flaherty with the NYG and they have been there 7 years each.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Tedford gets the axe! Good.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
It’s only now that’s the thing is coming apart we see more than cliches from the man. He has an opportunity now to continue.
Regarding the draft I fail to see how the first pick Bergs playing freaking tight end this late in the season is indicative of a success. Tight end cause the online is horrid.
Winning / success brings success. Losing is the same way. This team is taking losing to a whole new level.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Meanwhile, Reggie’s drafted one starter (Burris) and two more growing contributors (Criner and Bergstrom). Not bad for only so few picks.
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I like Burris (go Aztecs), but you and me would have started over the garbage we have.
Burris and Criner are good picks, but our scouting department have been doing this for a few years and you want to give the credit to Reggie?!
Cmon man!
Who drafted Branch, Veldheer, Moore, etc..?
November 20th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
JT Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
I was one of the bloggers here that blasted Al Davis on a regular basis, saying we needed a GM, I admit that.
But never remember a season being so underachieved by a raider team.
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Always remember that when a new coach or new regime comes in, they are going to want their own players to fit their own scheme. So, basically other than Goodson, Wheeler, Bergstrom and Burris, EVERY OTHER PLAYER was a lame duck and working to win a job. I am sure some players are soooooo tired of the revolving door here that they just want out. This is going to be a 3-4 year rebuild job. If the Raiders can be competitive two years from now, that would be great.
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I like those players Rmac selected, good solid players.
We only have 1 problem, KNAPP
November 20th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Winning / success brings success. Losing is the same way. This team is taking losing to a whole new level.
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To make it worse, Raiders are losing with a decent QB.
November 20th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
We only have 1 problem, KNAPP
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We have more problems than just Knapp. Our interior line triangle (g/c/g) has not been very good at all. Darren McFadden has been an absolute joke, the WR’s have not been very productive, Denarious Moore is turning into Chokie Lee Higgins right in front of our faces, the Dline which was supposed to be the strength of the team has vanished, there is ABSOLUTELY NO PASS RUSH, Rolando McClain has played better but nowhere near the overall #8 selection and without a pass rush the secondary is useless.
And now we can move on to Knapp and Tarver…..
November 20th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
The defense played their hearts out on a couple of games, then they saw that the offense just didnt have it, and these past games have given up.
Thats how I see it.
Football is a game of momemtum, if offense cant score points, momemum is lost, and defense will eventually give up.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Seymour, #360
You forgot to mention RT and DB’s
November 20th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
We only have 1 problem, KNAPP
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We have more problems than just Knapp. Our interior line triangle (g/c/g) has not been very good at all. Darren McFadden has been an absolute joke, the WR’s have not been very productive, Denarious Moore is turning into Chokie Lee Higgins right in front of our faces, the Dline which was supposed to be the strength of the team has vanished, there is ABSOLUTELY NO PASS RUSH, Rolando McClain has played better but nowhere near the overall #8 selection and without a pass rush the secondary is useless.
And now we can move on to Knapp and Tarver…..
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All that you said about our O line is a result of the scheme that our buddy Knapp brought from Houston, thinking our olinemen where these agile guys, when we were ruuning a power game.
So if you dont change that system, all those problems woulndt arise.
Same O line basically as last year. The Wiz sudenly a bad player? last year we were touting him as a second coming of his uncle.
So its basically that.
About the D, they were bad last year, but this year is a regression, because the O doesnt help out either.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I almost wonder if something else didn’t happen. Maybe Curry started jawing off in the locker room or something? Just seems really weird to cut him now.
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Aaron Curry@AaronCurry51
Chipotle good!!!
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He tweeted this not long after the game, I was like WTF this mutha fka. He also tweeted alot of other schit, like he was sore from standing for 4hrs (sounds like he wasn’t happy with his role), all those tweets and nothin about the game in which we just got our @ss kicked. It sounded like he didn’t have a care in the world and didn’t give a fk about what just happened. These tweets couldn’t of helped him
November 20th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
I told you last night curry tweeted how he loved Gruden as a coach.. like he was real coach. bet DA got pissed.
BTW Von miller and Aldon smith were top 10 picks. I’d take both over Clay Mathews anyday.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
In his first season as GM AND Head Coach, Al Davis inherited a 1-13 team. He turned them into a 10-4 team his first season, and the rest was history, as you are all here today, discussing the team that you love.
In his first season as GM, Reggie McKenzie inherited an 8-8 team, and turned them into………………?
November 20th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
JT Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
We only have 1 problem, KNAPP
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We have more problems than just Knapp. Our interior line triangle (g/c/g) has not been very good at all. Darren McFadden has been an absolute joke, the WR’s have not been very productive, Denarious Moore is turning into Chokie Lee Higgins right in front of our faces, the Dline which was supposed to be the strength of the team has vanished, there is ABSOLUTELY NO PASS RUSH, Rolando McClain has played better but nowhere near the overall #8 selection and without a pass rush the secondary is useless.
And now we can move on to Knapp and Tarver…..
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you say: the Dline which was supposed to be the strength of the team has vanished
I say: Mike Wauffle, our D line last couple of years, one of the best coaches in the bussines, now hired by Jeff Fisher.
I agree on our seconday being worse: #34
November 20th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Cut Brisell (if possible from the contract) and draft or find a FA replacement RG
Draft or find a FA RT (Bergstrom? Doubtful)
Move Wiz back to LG
Draft or find a FA C
I like Cooper but he’s getting old.
The way I see it, three new O linemen in 2013
November 20th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Raiders for life Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Seymour, #360
You forgot to mention RT and DB’s
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Barnes played fairly well in the last game. Willie Smith was slower than smoke off shi*. We could put Darrell Revis and Dick “Night Train” Lane back there and without a pass rush, there is nothing those guys could do.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
These players have no chemistry with the coaches. The ZBS forced on players that is not skilled enough to do it. That’s why Mike Brown got fired from the Lakers because he tried to force the Princton offense on them which didn’t work for that group of players. The Raiders can learn something from how the Lakers run a franchise.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
heres my final post as to why the 2012 raiders suk.
1. Knapp OC, worst hire since Tom Walsh.
2. Mike Waufle, our DL coach last year. He knew a thing or 2 about coaching.
3. Our ST coach from last year, was good. Jeff Fisher hired him this year.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
for life;
we definately need to draft an OL, bigger needs with our 1st round draft choice though;
pass rushing DE
Cornerback
LB- especially MLB
would love to see Wisniewski return to LG, where he and Vehldeer dominated;
Raiders returned Vehldeer to LT and it paid dividends; I know the same would happen with Wisniewski.
In fact I think our OL would be stronger if we moved Wiz back to LG, Cooper back to RG, and Brisiel to C for the rest of the season;
although I think it is more important to move Bergstrom into the starting line up somewhere;
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I would really like to see what Nix has to offer as NFL OL; something tells me he could be one of the best;
Reggie should try to work out a trade for Cannon from New England, if he has recovered from his illness.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
the only improvement the Raiders have made this season is in penalties
November 20th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
All that you said about our O line is a result of the scheme that our buddy Knapp brought from Houston, thinking our olinemen where these agile guys, when we were ruuning a power game.
So if you dont change that system, all those problems woulndt arise.
Same O line basically as last year. The Wiz sudenly a bad player? last year we were touting him as a second coming of his uncle.
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Really not. Our Oline is completely different than our Oline last year in players and scheme. One thing I heard over and over and over and over was how BAD Samson Satele is. Well, you can go back and read my posts from last year where I said Satele was probably our best lineman not named Veldheer. Wisniewski is awful at center. And they are bad at both pass blocking and run blocking.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
JT Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
heres my final post as to why the 2012 raiders suk.
1. Knapp OC, worst hire since Tom Walsh.
2. Mike Waufle, our DL coach last year. He knew a thing or 2 about coaching.
3. Our ST coach from last year, was good. Jeff Fisher hired him this year.
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Agreed, agreed and agreed. Losing Waufle might be the biggest loss of all. And that is saying something considering HOW BADLY the ST’s have played.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
psst…
maybe it was Tebow after all
November 20th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
374.Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
All that you said about our O line is a result of the scheme that our buddy Knapp brought from Houston, thinking our olinemen where these agile guys, when we were ruuning a power game.
So if you dont change that system, all those problems woulndt arise.
Same O line basically as last year. The Wiz sudenly a bad player? last year we were touting him as a second coming of his uncle.
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Really not. Our Oline is completely different than our Oline last year in players and scheme. One thing I heard over and over and over and over was how BAD Samson Satele is. Well, you can go back and read my posts from last year where I said Satele was probably our best lineman not named Veldheer. Wisniewski is awful at center. And they are bad at both pass blocking and run blocking.
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Vehldeer/Wisniewski best LT/LG combo in the NFL since Shell/Upshaw!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
These players have no chemistry with the coaches. The ZBS forced on players that is not skilled enough to do it. That’s why Mike Brown got fired from the Lakers because he tried to force the Princton offense on them which didn’t work for that group of players. The Raiders can learn something from how the Lakers run a franchise.
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What you are saying here is what has been WRONG with the franchise for a decade. The org tried to fit round peg players into square holes and when that didn’t work, they tried to fit around those players. What you saw was an undisciplined, mish mash of unfocused athletes that underachieved year in and year out. What this org is going to do is find a system and over time, find players that fit that system. If players like McFadden cannot run in a zone scheme, McFadden will not be here. THAT, I can guarantee.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
So the Oline is bad because Satele is gone? Wiz was just fine filling in at Center last year. Just fine.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
One last thing about Satele, Raider fan just LAMBASTED that poor player week in and week out. I never understood it. Well, Grigson, Telesco and Arians thought enough of him that they made him the overall number one, the future of the Colts franchise, they made him Lucks personal protector. How bad can Satele be?
November 20th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
So the Oline is bad because Satele is gone? Wiz was just fine filling in at Center last year. Just fine.
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No he wasn’t. In fact he was awful. Go put in the tape of the Minnesota game where Satele goes out on one of the final plays in the lst half. We had 24 points in the lst half and three in the second. And the reason we had three was Tommie Kelly intercepted a pass at the Minn 25 which resulted in a FG. You don’t know what you are talking about clearly.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Satele was better at ZBS then power scheme, since Reggie & Dennis knew they were going to ZBS; we should have retained him;
cuudda, shudda, wooda
November 20th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Realtruraider Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I almost wonder if something else didn’t happen. Maybe Curry started jawing off in the locker room or something? Just seems really weird to cut him now.
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Chipotle good!!!
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He tweeted this not long after the game, I was like WTF this mutha fka. He also tweeted alot of other schit, like he was sore from standing for 4hrs (sounds like he wasn’t happy with his role), all those tweets and nothin about the game in which we just got our @ss kicked. It sounded like he didn’t have a care in the world and didn’t give a fk about what just happened. These tweets couldn’t of helped him
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Today after he was cut, he was tweeting about video games.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
RaiderReggie Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
These players have no chemistry with the coaches. The ZBS forced on players that is not skilled enough to do it. That’s why Mike Brown got fired from the Lakers because he tried to force the Princton offense on them which didn’t work for that group of players. The Raiders can learn something from how the Lakers run a franchise.
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Yes this could have been avoided especially with the offense. DMAC was leading the NFL in rushing before he got hurt last year. As for the defense we expected that to be better because DA is a “D” guy. Wrong.
DA should be fired for stupid decisions like hiring Knapp as your OC.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
See below Pat kirwan nice – Ira Kaufman not nice…
Chris Berman (ESPN, 31) — Didn’t think it would look like this.
Clifton Brown (Sporting News, 31) — Hard to win when your defense is getting regularly shredded.
Rich Gannon (CBS Sports/SiriusXM NFL Radio, 31) — This defense is very hard to watch.
Bob Glauber (Newsday, 31) — Will Dennis Allen be a one-and-done? Not like the Raiders haven’t pulled the plug early before. Let’s see if Mark Davis is like father Al when it comes to impatience with losing coaches.
Rick Gosselin (Dallas Morning News, 27) — The Raiders have not sacked any quarterbacks in the last two games. Their 11 sacks are the fewest in the league.
Clark Judge (CBSSports.com, 29) — That Black Hole in Oakland is not in the stands; it’s in the middle of the Raiders’ defense. Mark Davis should be “embarrassed” for the fans.
Ira Kaufman (Tampa Tribune, 31) — The resurgent Bengals might drop 50 on these frauds.
Pat Kirwan (SiriusXM NFL Radio/CBSSports.com, 30) — A paper thin roster, a defense that struggles a fullback at the running back spot because of injuries and the results are predictable. Everyone from the owner on down has to have some patience.
John Lynch (Fox Sports, 31) — The Raiders turnaround has a long way to go.
Alex Marvez (Foxsports.com, 30) — The Raiders have surrendered an average of 45 points and 439 yards over the past three losses.
Dan Pompei (Chicago Tribune, 28) — The Raiders defense is the best friend of every offense with a league-high 322 points allowed. Every offense except the Raiders offense, that is.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
The coaches are to dumb to understand that this group of offensive lineman are NOT fast enough to run the ZBS. You got to have guys that can get out there and basically get in the way so the running back make the appropriate cut. These o lineman are too freaking slow. Stevie Wonder can see that!! The Raiders have big,strong and slow lineman which is perfect for PBS because once they lock in on the guy in front of them, most of the time they win the battle. That’s why the running game was strong last year.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Satele wasn’t good last year. He was decent. Pass protection was not good. Run blocking was avg at best.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Allen, grow into the Head Coach everyone claims you to be…
fire those you need to; hire those who perform
November 20th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Curry only cost us a 5th and a 7th; that was a good gamble; even if his personal foul penalty against Tebow out of bounds on third and 15+ yards which cost us the game and the division last year;
Raiders win that game if not for that penalty.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Carlisle, Veldheer, and Barnes were all brought here by Cable to run his ZBS.
Not sure how you can argue they are not system fits.
Briesel came from the ZBS ran Texans.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
What you are saying here is what has been WRONG with the franchise for a decade. The org tried to fit round peg players into square holes and when that didn’t work, they tried to fit around those players. What you saw was an undisciplined, mish mash of unfocused athletes that underachieved year in and year out. What this org is going to do is find a system and over time, find players that fit that system. If players like McFadden cannot run in a zone scheme, McFadden will not be here. THAT, I can guarantee.
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Agreed. They will probably keep the coaching staff and try to get the players they need to run their schemes. The problem in the past was Al never had enough patience to let it happen… Gruden was the last HC he kept around long enough to do this.
What Hue was so good at was identifying what pieces he had, and making up a scheme to make it work. It was a great short term fix.
Unfortunately we are stuck with at least one more year of crap to mediocrity to see if this staff has what it takes (like Gruden did.) I will wait… but that doesn’t make it suck any less.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Gdog Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Agreed. They will probably keep the coaching staff and try to get the players they need to run their schemes.
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Exactly. And that could take two years just to get THAT MANY players in here. Then you have to meld those units into cohesive winners. THAT could take a while as well.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
J Hill Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Satele wasn’t good last year. He was decent. Pass protection was not good. Run blocking was avg at best.
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Satele was the biggest free agent loss of this team, hands down!!
November 20th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
J Hill Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Satele wasn’t good last year. He was decent. Pass protection was not good. Run blocking was avg at best.
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Satele is a much better player than most of you give credit for. He is about a 1000% better player than Wisniewski at center in both protection and run blocking. And if you don’t think he is very good, ask 6-4 Andrew Luck. I am sure he will tell you.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
honestly its crazy.. the best thing going foward would be for the Raiders not to win anymore games.. and get a top draft pick. Then trade down. Then trade everyone.
But thats not good for DA’s job… soooooooooooooo
November 20th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
over/under how many yards will dalton light thus weak asz secondary for?
November 20th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
The Colts would be nowhere near 6-4 without Satele. And we can’t block anyone. What does that tell you.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
No he wasn’t. In fact he was awful. Go put in the tape of the Minnesota game where Satele goes out on one of the final plays in the lst half. We had 24 points in the lst half and three in the second. And the reason we had three was Tommie Kelly intercepted a pass at the Minn 25 which resulted in a FG. You don’t know what you are talking about clearly.
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November 20th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
believe me.. anyone thinks the raiders are gonna beat cincy is crazy.
AJ green is on another level.. nobody will be able to stop him. They couldnt even stop lance freakin moore. If that Hawkins kid plays too lookout. Jermain gresham might be able to be stopped.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
The Colts would be nowhere near 6-4 without Satele. And we can’t block anyone. What does that tell you.
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Tells me Kanpp is no good. as his career record indicates.
November 20th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Aaron Curry might have been the worst defensive player I ever seen wear a Raider uniform.
And to think we gave up two picks for a massively overpaid practice squad guy.
7 personal fouls?? That might be more than some teams the last 2 years.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Gdog Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Agreed. They will probably keep the coaching staff and try to get the players they need to run their schemes.
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Exactly. And that could take two years just to get THAT MANY players in here. Then you have to meld those units into cohesive winners. THAT could take a while as well.
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That’s pretty much what I am looking at. The problem is, as Cork said also today, is CP going to want to wait that long? If they start drafting QB’s is he going to pull a Cinci on us? I’m hoping plugging in a coupla new o-linemen, an ACTUAL number one receiver, and also a TE that doesn’t drop balls in the endzone, and he will stay interested enough to fulfill his contract.
I have no interest in watching a green-horn QB again anytime soon. CP has his bad moments more than the top 5 QBs, but he’s great enough times to make up for it.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Aaron Curry might have been the worst defensive player I ever seen wear a Raider uniform.
And to think we gave up two picks for a massively overpaid practice squad guy.
7 personal fouls?? That might be more than some teams the last 2 years.
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November 20th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
The San Diego season ender, he was roasted time and time again.
And with the season on the line, the fatal last drive, there was either a 2nd and 1 or 3rd and 1 play.
They faked inside, pitched wide to the “speedy” Tolbert, and Curry came crashing into the line, just completely giving up the sanctity of the outside containment he was responsible for.
I remember half the team looking at him like WTF?
November 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Curry did one thing well. He hit guys really hard. He was too dumb to be a good player.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Lots of posters thought Curry was going to be a good edge rusher, even though he had like 5 sacks his whole career.
Than…..he was going to play MLB!!!!
LMAO
November 20th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Tom Feakin Cable (he of the mighty fist) had the wisdom and the balls to rid himself of Knapp!!!!!
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Don’t know how that decision was made, but if it was Cable, dumbest call he could have made. Replacing Knapp with Buddy Whackit and Ted Tollner destroyed our 2009 season and JR’s career!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
BTW.. I have already came to grips with our suckage for the next year or so. I came into this year with high expectations, that everything was going to be FIXED.. but have resigned to it being a complete rebuilding program. The last game was the first this season where I wasn’t screaming at the teevee nearly every play. It is what it is now… and much better for my blood pressure.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Exactly. And that could take two years just to get THAT MANY players in here. Then you have to meld those units into cohesive winners. THAT could take a while as well.
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Sounds like your down with the “10 and then” plan, eh. Im not at all down with this way of thinkin not with these coaches PERIOD. They have proven to be inept and Im not goin to waste 2 years in bringin players that fit there system and then another 3 for them to prove it wasn’t the players fault all along. Waste yet another 5 years……NO THANKS
November 20th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Lots of posters thought Curry was going to be a good edge rusher, even though he had like 5 sacks his whole career.
Than…..he was going to play MLB!!!!
LMAO
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Well most of you people think everybody signed here is going to the HOF, especially in April.
Including the Knapp sack huggers
November 20th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
well at least the RAiders have a dayum execuse for suckin now.
Just say its a rebuilding year. REggie “GOTS it” dont worry.
I agree with Reggie when he says we need more DEP
November 20th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Going into this season I just wanted to see progress. I wanted to see a better defense and more discipline. It seemed to be going that way earlier in the season. I don’t what the hell happened to the defense.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Don’t know how that decision was made, but if it was Cable, dumbest call he could have made. Replacing Knapp with Buddy Whackit and Ted Tollner destroyed our 2009 season and JR’s career!
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LMFAO!!! GTFOH! I know your not serious, lol lol
November 20th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
aj green probably 175 2 tds, hawkins 125 1 td, dalton 115 rating 345 yards, 4 tds….
November 20th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Can’t run the ball
Can’t convert 3rd downs
Can’t score TD’s in the Red Zone
What happened to the
Defense? Knapp sack huggers
November 20th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Palmer better not throw a pick 6 this game. I mean cuz really he is not giving a defense any chance.
Picks six.. then an INT in teh endzone is the worse. D sucks already as it is.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
381-that was par for the course.We didn’t score in the 2nd half of games last year.Satale being out had nothing to do with it.If people want to say we are being out-coached in the 3rd qtr this year because of all the points we are allowing,which looks to be true,they have to admit we were out-coached in the 2nd half of games last year also-which they refuse to acknowledge.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Lots of posters thought Curry was going to be a good edge rusher, even though he had like 5 sacks his whole career.
Than…..he was going to play MLB!!!!
LMAO
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Like you predicting 30+ points from Knapp’s offense?
Chico!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
lol…30 pts from krapp…thats a good one
November 20th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
[] citing irreconcilable differences [] ….DAs’ agent say him and Knapp can no longer agree on a game…..[] they don’t see eye to eye anymore [] ….tho DA was a little teary eyed, Knapp seemed to be more disgusted at yet another failed attemp at offensive cordinator for the Oakland Raiders….and with a head coach he really cared for….[ tho the pair were seen arguing, almost coming to blows, over who would get the golf clubs the two shared] And as the two left the courthouse where papers were filed, each accompanied by their respective agents and attorneys, tens of thousands of spectators and a large bevy of press witnessed DA flipping the bird to Knapp. [the Raiders issued an official statement today citing they want to stay as far away from what is sure to be a ugly fiasco. One Raider official who requested his name not be mentioned, said, quote: Divorces are always messy.]
November 20th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
JT Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
The defense played their hearts out on a couple of games, then they saw that the offense just didnt have it, and these past games have given up.
Thats how I see it.
Football is a game of momemtum, if offense cant score points, momemum is lost, and defense will eventually give up.
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I don’t care how demoralized the defense is or how much the poor babies feel let down by the offense; they are paid to do a job and they are grown azz men. There is no excuse for giving up cuz the offense doesn’t make it easy for them.
THAT is such a loser mentality and there is no valid excuse for just quitting like that.
The offense could just as easily say “what’s the point our defense will just give it right back anyway”. Or maybe the special teams will (as they always do).
November 20th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Going into this season I just wanted to see progress. I wanted to see a better defense and more discipline. It seemed to be going that way earlier in the season. I don’t what the hell happened to the defense.
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No it didn’t, we were givin up record numbers on defense from the jump, the D had a good game against the Falcons comin off the bye and then we played the 2 worst teams maybe ever in the Chiefs and Jags, those games fooled alot of people I see. This defense is and has ben horrible from the start
November 20th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
The way I see it every player and unit on this team has regressed since Reg and DA have taken over. Dmacs no longer a factor, the o lines regressed, d lines regressed, we use to be decent against the pass thats gotten worse, denarius was electric last year hes looking average now, Heyward-bey had nearly 1000 yards recieving last year now hes regressed. Palmer we cant call because he didnt come along til mid season but im curious to have seen what he would have looked like with a full season and offseason under Hue. Bottom line though, theres no coincidence to me how under DA and his staff all of a sudden every player who had some type of game laSt year or that was a contributor has lost their luster. If one or two players regress …ok, ill takethe argument that they’re just lazy bums and check collectors, but the whole damn team
regressing at 1 time??? Thats coaching folks.
Then to hear seymour praise hue, Curry talk up gruden, that shows these guys dont believe in Da or what hes sellin. Its hard to get guys to buy in when what you’re selling isn’t working and what they had before showed results. For Da to come in and win those guys over he had to be better than hue but he’s obviously not, and you dont win guys over by forcing schemes on them that they’ve tried and failed with in the past. Just doesnt work. They dont want to play for this guy and its evident by the way players talk and the way they play. If mark and reg dont get rid of this guy fast prepare for more seasons like this, because its easier to find 1 great coach to make a difference than it is to find 53 great players. And lets face it this bum is gonna need an all star team to win games with his level of coaching skill.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
The defense played decent against the Chargers. They probably would have won that game if it wasn’t for the long snapper debacle.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
mack exactly but these yahoos want three more years of this bullsheet….have no idea wgat they see in da…
November 20th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
The defense played decent against the Chargers. They probably would have won that game if it wasn’t for the long snapper debacle.
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You mean the backup LS who wasn’t asked to practice during the week?
Another rookie mistake from DA, and Hoffman is an idiot.
Great staff!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
We should have known this was going to be an effed up year after the long snapper problems.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
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November 20th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
I think after the Charger game teams finally had tape on the “New Era” Raider D and exploited it from there on out.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
The defense played decent against the Chargers. They probably would have won that game if it wasn’t for the long snapper debacle.
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LOL, whatever you want to believe, but the numbers show that we gave up record setting numbers on D the first 4 games, but if it makes you feel better we can add the Charger game as a game the D played decent (btw the Chargers offense sucks this year), but we still only had 1 sack and they had a UFA at LT
November 20th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
*UDFA Rookie at LT
November 20th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Post# 409 well said. Thats the way I see it as well
November 20th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
We should have known this was going to be an effed up year after the long snapper problems.
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Some of us knew it was going to be a bad year when DA hired Knapp.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
The Mack Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
The way I see it every player and unit on this team has regressed since Reg and DA have taken over. Dmacs no longer a factor, the o lines regressed, d lines regressed, we use to be decent against the pass thats gotten worse, denarius was electric last year hes looking average now, Heyward-bey had nearly 1000 yards recieving last year now hes regressed. Palmer we cant call because he didnt come along til mid season but im curious to have seen what he would have looked like with a full season and offseason under Hue. Bottom line though, theres no coincidence to me how under DA and his staff all of a sudden every player who had some type of game laSt year or that was a contributor has lost their luster. If one or two players regress …ok, ill takethe argument that they’re just lazy bums and check collectors, but the whole damn team
regressing at 1 time??? Thats coaching folks.
Then to hear seymour praise hue, Curry talk up gruden, that shows these guys dont believe in Da or what hes sellin. Its hard to get guys to buy in when what you’re selling isn’t working and what they had before showed results. For Da to come in and win those guys over he had to be better than hue but he’s obviously not, and you dont win guys over by forcing schemes on them that they’ve tried and failed with in the past. Just doesnt work. They dont want to play for this guy and its evident by the way players talk and the way they play. If mark and reg dont get rid of this guy fast prepare for more seasons like this, because its easier to find 1 great coach to make a difference than it is to find 53 great players. And lets face it this bum is gonna need an all star team to win games with his level of coaching skill.
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Absolutely profound. The Raider management/coaching mindset is fantastically odd. Raiders will never find 53 great players to fit their scheme, let alone 53 players who will buy into it. At least Mark brought up the word regression.
Anyway, great spot on post. It is truly amazing how low we have sunk. Could anybody in their wildest imagination ever have thought our defense coulda been worse from last hear. And we really had a high powered offense last year, but it was overshadowed by a very bad D. Truly unbelievable.
Only when you can admit you screwed up with a few bad choices, then you can proceed to get better. But everything we here is “we’re gonna keep lookin” and “just gotta keep gettin better” and all that other bull sh*t jargon.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
seems like many of us knew but reggie…
November 20th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Mack,
Good post, but we are goin to have to watch this schit yet another year I believe
November 20th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
stupidest things on here is wait three years then judge…pathetic there us no redshirt years in the nfl…i swear some of these guys like losing
November 20th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Hey Huff,
How does it feel to play in a “real defense”?
Effin tool!
November 20th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
its sucks but why prolong it. Its gonna turn out the same as Lane kiffin / knapp era. DA will be let go in a year. after winning 5 games.
U think he will be a better coach then Nolan or wade phillips?? pleeease
November 20th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
pat shurmur the browns coaches is about to be let go after 2 wasted years.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
I think it’s different being a Raider fan in the midwest as opposed to out in Cali. Out in Cali. you have other Raider fans to share the pain and u don’t look weird wearing Raider gear at the sports bar…or wherever, but out here…you’re a target for questions as to why you’re a fan, and the worst is when people feel sorry for you.
I am upset at the “New Era” for making it an embarrassment to be a Raider fan. I’m a big boy and can handle it, and it IS my choice, but it’d be nice if Reggie and DA…heck Mark too….could at least put out a team that we don’t have to embarrassed to support.
I resent that.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Picks six.. then an INT in teh endzone is the worse. D sucks already as it is.
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Pick 6 sucks but you cannot put that int in the endzone on Palmer, that was all Myers on that one
November 20th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Raider O Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
You mean the backup LS who wasn’t asked to practice during the week?
Another rookie mistake from DA, and Hoffman is an idiot.
Great staff!
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Seriously, is there not a coaches check list? lol You have to go A-Z and if one fails, you go to plan B and if that fails, start again from A-Z.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
DA, please:
1 – build your offense to fit and match your personel
2 – game plan to the weaknesses of the opposing team and be very agressive on both sides of the ball. It will even help special teams play better.
Everything else will fall into place. It really is that simple.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
DA will be back next year, and the year after if there’s any (and I mean ANY) improvement. We simply cannot be known any longer as the “Team that changes coaches like most people change underwear.”
November 20th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
da wont do that…he is part of the donkey tradition of scripting his first ten plays…
November 20th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
The Raiders gave up 258 total yards to the Chargers on opening night. Not bad at all.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
I hope Kelly is next then Knapp and i’ll be feeling a little better.
What a big mistake was to let go Wimbley.
There is no doubt we’re drafting the best pass rusher available in the first round
November 20th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
lol…all it would take for improvement next year is 4 wins…seems easy enough…
November 20th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Ron69 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
What a big mistake was to let go Wimbley.
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At the price he was commanding? No way. Sayonara.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
It’s way too early to judge Reggie, and DA gets another year or two (depends on what he does next year), but our coordinators, STs coach, OL, and DL coach need to go.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
lol…all it would take for improvement next year is 4 wins…seems easy enough…
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We should win vs. KC and Cleveland if nothing else. Those “Chipotle” tweets from Curry make me think DA was making an example of him. Of course, he would never ever say so publicly, but I’m sure the locker room got the message.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
What a effin mess. We’re playing now to save face. Unbelievable.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Raider O Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
It’s way too early to judge Reggie, and DA gets another year or two (depends on what he does next year), but our coordinators, STs coach, OL, and DL coach need to go.
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Knapp MIGHT get a pass simply because our o-line blocking has been so awful. Hard to tell what your offense might do when Palmer’s rushing all his throws and no lanes are consistently open. Pollack should be run out of town on a rail, Hoffman should be right behind him, and the entire defensive staff (except MAYBE Holland) is on serious notice.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
the locker room has gotten the message alright…they quit on da three weeks ago…you think they can beat cleveland? lol…they will be lucky to beat a tyler palko lead chiefs team….
November 20th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
knapps offense is dumber than the opposing defenses. No way can he get past smart defensive minded coaches. They game plan.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Raider O Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
You mean the backup LS who wasn’t asked to practice during the week?
Another rookie mistake from DA, and Hoffman is an idiot.
Great staff!
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Seriously, is there not a coaches check list? lol You have to go A-Z and if one fails, you go to plan B and if that fails, start again from A-Z.
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I expected rookie mistakes, but that was crazy.
For a team that values the LS like we do (roster spot and the highest paid LS in the league), how can you not have a backup who is prepared?
Makes no sense to me.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
As unpopular as it may seem, i’d still like to see Mcclain get a chance to play ILB in the 3-4 defense, with a restructured contract.
You draft an ILB that played in a 3-4 during college, you start him in the same defense/positon in the NFL.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Raider D was good week 1…then teams had tape.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
I feel bad for Palmer in all this mess. He has been ball and chained with knapps scheme. The offense is predictable and one dimensional.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
As unpopular as it may seem, i’d still like to see Mcclain get a chance to play ILB in the 3-4 defense, with a restructured contract.
You draft an ILB that played in a 3-4 during college, you start him in the same defense/positon in the NFL.
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…and you use Burris as a pass rusher; like he was in college. It’s what he did best. Look at his highlights.
November 20th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Raider D was good week 1…then teams had tape.
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I thought they looked good in game 1 too. Then I realized it was just the excitement of opening night on MNF. Then the implosion.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
knapps offense is dumber than the opposing defenses. No way can he get past smart defensive minded coaches. They game plan.
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Right crazy raider.
This staff gets clowned every game.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Post 425, yea I dont get the Da love affair either. Im a raiders fan til the death of me, but if you say anything bad about this guy you’re shamed by some posters on here as if you’re a raider hating niner fan. If the guy was worth it i’d sing his praise but he’s not getting the job done so I voice my displeasure. Its not like i bash him to be an ahole I just call it how I see it. Hes too soft and conservative as a coach and lacks imagination. I want a coach like harbaugh who gets fired up during games, who shows emotion on the sidlines, whos ready to go to war with opposing team coaches and slap them hard in the back if he has to, who’ll use all his weapons and find a way to to get more than 1 player involved, not some weasel who loses and looks like he just got his lunch money took when things dont go well or who smiles and shakes the opposing coaches hand like getting creamed by your division rival is the greatest thing that could ever happen to you. Smh
November 20th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Totally agree with you Dj. It’s difficult as it is for these rookies to adapt to the speed of the game and on top of that you change their position…
As for Knapp, I think he saved all the plays he’s scripted for entire games over his career and pulls one out of a hat before the game and decides to use it. He uses only the scripts that won him games and since he hasn’t won many, all the teams pretty much know whats coming.
Thats my theory. lol
November 20th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
No way Knapp gets a pass.
Our OL wasn’t a problem last year.
Our 2 most productive players (DMC & DHB) from last year ate not playing well.
He has a history of this BS. His offense was ranked in the 20’s the last 4 years of his career WITH 4 DIFFERENT TEAMS, and he a QB coach the last 2 years for a reason.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Mack,
After a post like that guys will be quick to pull Belichik out of their arse as an example of someone who isn’t fiery but gets the job done. But…Belichik IS fiery…in his own way. He’s got attitude. If he’s ticked at an opposing coach you’ll know it at handshake time and after.
You can cite Bill Walsh as a quiet leader and you could say Dungy as well…but outside of that if you look at the successful teams…they have coaches with some edge and attitude to ‘em.
-Coughlin
-McCarthy
-Tomlin
-Harbaugh Bros.
Someone mentioned Holmgren as being quiet and reserved with no “edge” to him. Holmgren was always “edgy” as heck.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
465, Miami…that’s a good theory.
I blame DA for continuing to trust this boob.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
We need a fiery coach…last one I remember was Chuckie.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
mack, exactly it is frustrating that da has brought this team to this new low. The jokes dont even bother me anymore because they are right, and the clowns encouraging da are the material…
November 20th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
DA doesn’t appear to have any sort of “killer instinct” in him.
It seems to be all x’s and o’s and “stay the course” b.s
There is nothing about his demeanor that says “we are gonna kick your azz today”.
It’s more like “We are going to play a respectful game of sport today, and we hope at the end of the day we have done our jobs as coaches and have put our players in the best position to be successful…we have a chance of coming out on top”.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Honestly when Reggie was going through the interview process and cork and all those guys went over the list of candidates I was hoping for Pete Carmichael the saints O coordinator to become our new head coach. Seeing that offense was our strong suit i’d like to have seen him work with carson and our young group of recievers. I like how they get all their recievers involved, and use multiple rbs but yet still are a top team in rushing and keep them fresh, i like how they utilize the tight end… idk he just seemed like a better fit to me. Never like Da since day 1.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
I never said the INT in the endzone was palmers fault.. I said its just a lack of focus this team has.. n it hurst the defense .
plus they suck as it is. SO the pick 6 and the INT endzone hurts em.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Thats what happens when you have a bunch of Gomer Pyles and no Drill Sgt Hartman.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
I will say it again. WIMBLEY despite what he is being paid was a big loss. REGGIE should have let go HUFF and CURRY first before wimbley.
Our Cap was messed up from the Palmer / CURRY trade. TWO guys Al didnt have on the books. Palmer 7 milly last year 13 milly this and 15 next. Its the contract raiders took on from cincy.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
da began losing the moment he picked krapp…
November 20th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Coughlin: “You guys need to go out there and kick their arse today”
Tomlin: “Hit em hard, hit em often, and play Steeler football. Step on their throat”.
Dannis Allen: “We all need to do our jobs as individuals and as a team and with a sprinkiling of stardust at the end of the day we mayfind ourselves in a positon to be successful”.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Be nice if DA actually moved, on occasion, on the sideline.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
could u imagine what DMAC thought the moment KNAPP walked in that door in mini camp. Knowing AL canned his azz already.. knowing he was with Lance kiffin.
he must have been like Shyyyyyyt
November 20th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Thats what happens when you have a bunch of Gomer Pyles and no Drill Sgt Hartman.
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Don’t be so hard on yourself. You make a wonderful Gomer.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
well maybe da can get a sharpie contract after all of this…
November 20th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Be nice if DA actually moved, on occasion, on the sideline
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Great observation, you should apply for, Corks job, as a sports writer.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Hue jackson is a leading candidate to coach CAL Berkeley?!
Mike Silver who’s in bed with Hue and loves CAL is pushing hard for it.
Speaking of Hue you better bet your bottom dollar he’ll pull something during special teams play against us. He faked a punt against the Chefs last week and ran it for a 1st down instead.
I must say I enjoyed Hue’s play calling on offense and special teams way more than kNap’s. Speaking of special teams why is that unit’s coach still here? Is he hiding behind we got no talent excuse too?
November 20th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Lmao @ post 479… true story.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
DA needs to understand quick, that respect isn’t earned in this league by how many redundant, mind numbing cliches he uses, or how much he sounds like a real coach, or by how nice you are to your off. coordinator.
It’s about WINNING…Period.
It’s especially not about getting your azz handed to you in blowout losses every damn week.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong.
according to my calcs, we’re just a bunch of rookies.
rookie owner. rookie gm. rookie hc and suspect coor.
that is just pathetic
November 20th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
We got no talent, on the coaching staff that is. Got a great group of players, just a no talent coaching staff trying to force feed them a scheme that flunks and constantly putting the players in a position to fail.
1st and goal. Really? Do we lead the league in 3 and outs? Where do we rank in the rushing dept.? And everybody knows we give up the most points.
Ok, blame it on the players, but you don’t know football if you do.
November 20th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Thats what happens when you have a bunch of Gomer Pyles and no Drill Sgt Hartman.
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Don’t be so hard on yourself. You make a wonderful Gomer.
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What’s going on with you guys. When did this start?
November 20th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
It really grinds my gears to see us on the 1 yard line and watch knapp call a zone stretch play. He does it often and its never successful. I stay yelling at the tv run it up the middle but knapp is knapp and we end up settling for a fg most of the time. Smh
November 20th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
3-7 and pure regression.
The jury has reached a verdict
and concludes the coaches are derlict
Oh my how this Cincy game will be ever so telling. If the Raiders lose, sh1t will come unglued and start oozing out of the overhead projector.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
The Mack Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
It really grinds my gears to see us on the 1 yard line and watch knapp call a zone stretch play. He does it often and its never successful. I stay yelling at the tv run it up the middle but knapp is knapp and we end up settling for a fg most of the time. Smh
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That’s 100% pure Knapp & that’s why he’s a terrible OC. He’s NEVER been successful anywhere anytime as an OC so what makes DOA think he’ll be successful here – especially after he tanked here before? Is DOA just dumb, or what?
November 20th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Hue Jackson at Cal??? hahahahahaha that’s the biggest joke I have ever heard. Lance and Chip Kelly would eat him alive. 0-10 for Huey.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
I will say it again. WIMBLEY despite what he is being paid was a big loss. REGGIE should have let go HUFF and CURRY first before wimbley.
Our Cap was messed up from the Palmer / CURRY trade. TWO guys Al didnt have on the books. Palmer 7 milly last year 13 milly this and 15 next. Its the contract raiders took on from cincy.
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Wimbley is no loss. Most of his sacks were against the same 3rd string San Diego Charger OLT. Against regular OLT’s he was totally ineffective. He was also grossly overpaid.
Huff & Curry both overpaid. Curry has been dealt with. I suspect Huff is still up in the air for next season.
CP3 took a big pay cut this year and will no doubt do it again. He’s a real team player in case you haven’t noticed. He’s already gone on record that “money is not a issue. I already have more than I need”. He’ll restructure to help the team, bank on it.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
The good thing is us fans are not the only ones who see the regression. The most important man in that building sees it (MARK DAVIS) he aint happy
November 20th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Palmer didnt take a freaking pay cut. He jsut restructured his contract. HE GOT MORE MONEY UPFRONT.. BONUS money and took a small salary. Its affects the cap.
Yes wimbley is a loss because he made the dline better. He had a crazy amount of pressures last year.. / hurries that freed up other DLine men. Huff gets burn constantly hasnt been nothing but c- average. Would have rather kept wimbley
November 20th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
money is not an issue because he already has like 50 million in the bank.. plus whatever he made last year and the money he got in one lump sum this year.
I’d rather have a young guy looking to prove himself like pryor . Thats my opinion though regarding pryor
November 20th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Palmer is due 13.5 next year?
November 20th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I agree that I’d like to see if Pryor has what it takes to be an NFL QB. Many will say we are not seeing him because the coaching staff does not think he’s got it. Well I guess that makes us even because I don’t think they have it either. Kaepernick, a 2nd year rookie QB, looked like gangbusters out there last night. He was so good that he might be the new starting QB for the Niners. We need to see what, if anything, Pryor has to offer. At a minimum, some wildcat plays with him in there. We are out of the playoffs and may not win another game this year. There’s no reason not to give Pryor a shot. It’s just that our caches have their heads too far up their a$$es to make cogent decisions.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
according to various articles he is due 15 million
no matter what he got 13 million this year. large portin was upfront.. and took a lower salary. either way his salary is 13.
AL had the book clean b4 those hue trades.. plus campbell was only getting 4 million
November 20th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
You guys do realize that we are on a crash course of history in regard to our defense?
At this rate, we will go down as the worst defense in the HISTORY of the NFL…statistically (and otherwise).
We keep going back to Palmer as the culprit.
If Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees were our QB do you honestly think we would be winning despite our D?
November 20th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
I really wonder what mark meant by he has his own “ideas” on who should be starting qb. They then asked him again and he said its up for the coaches to decide. You know darn well he wasnt talking about leinart… he then said he was happy with carson
November 20th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Nobody is fraking saying Palmer is the culprit. we are just saying if its a rebuilding team.. y even have Carson? Believe me its a legitimate question being asked by the higer up guys like Reggie and Mark.
is carson someone you can build a team around in teh future??
November 20th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
You guys do realize that we are on a crash course of history in regard to our defense?
At this rate, we will go down as the worst defense in the HISTORY of the NFL…statistically (and otherwise).
We keep going back to Palmer as the culprit.
If Aaron Rodgers or Drew Brees were our QB do you honestly think we would be winning despite our D?
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Well said. At least we have a QB that can perform. The only thing really holding him back is the OC and the O-line.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
So glad they brought in DA to “fix” our defense.
I’d be a little nervous if I were DA.
Does he really want history to show him as the colossal failure who was brought in to “fix” a bad defense and instead is the one who oversaw the worst defense in history?
DA: ‘But I was the 20th ranked D once…c’mon guys’.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
502,
Legit point and fair question imo.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I thought about Todd Marinovich after Kaepernick’s performance last night. Todd had similar numbers in his first career start, too. We all know how that turned out. I think Kaepernick will be good, though. Why can’t we ever draft a decent QB? Brain dead Al had no vision for QBs.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
I saw Big Ben in a bowl game and thought we should have drafted him. Incredible how lousy of an organization this has been for 10 consecutive years. The Oakland Raiders are a disgrace to the NFL!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Why do I have this bad feeling that it’s gonna be really loud and really ugly for us in Cincy this Sunday?
I don’t trust this team at all that they will rise to the occasion.
I feel like they will shrink under the pressure and be badly overwhelmed in that environment and the state of this team right now.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
beach Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
I saw Big Ben in a bowl game and thought we should have drafted him. Incredible how lousy of an organization this has been for 10 consecutive years. The Oakland Raiders are a disgrace to the NFL!
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Well, every league needs a patsy. Right now we are it.
Thanks DA.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
DJ, we have had the worst defense for 10 consecutive seasons. There is no reason to believe anything will change in Cincy. Seymour, do everybody a favor and retire at the end of this season!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
All our position groups s8ck besides QB, RB’s s8ck because Mcfadden is only healthy 40% of the season, WR’s s8ck , no true #1, OL s8ck , Wiz playing out of position, RG and RT s9ck, DLINE s8cks , No pass rusher, LB group s8cks , drafted a 3-4 ILB to play MLB in 4-3 , Secondary s8cks, CB’s s8ck , Safeties s9ck ,K9ck coverage s8cks , Kick and Punt returners s9ck , yet you guys think we regressed after we beat up on easy schedule last year, and offseason was spent on cutting players than adding talent
November 20th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Beach, I’m sure he’s gone at season’s end.
He can sign a one day with NE and retire a Patriot.
How sweet.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
DA crying as WIZ senior is walking out the door “Steve please stay please don’t CORF on me now.” Steve never looks back as he heads out the door and knows he’s made the right decision.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I honestly think I will not buy season tickets in 2013, unless Gruden or Holmgren become Head Coach. We need Mark to do something his father never did: pay big $$$ for a Head Coach!!!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Sold my tix for the Saints game, looking to sell the tix for the Cleveland game, and am definitely selling the Broncos tix. Will donate the Chiefs game to charity. Hard to root for a team that has no leadership!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Q: “Coach Allen, do u feel any added pressure knowing you inherited an 8-8 team that was in the playoff hunt right up to the last quarter of the last game and now have horribly regressed to being the laughingstock of the league once again under your watch”?
DA: “I don’t think about any of that. Wins and losses are just numbers. My goal everyday is to put these players in the best position to be in a position where they can possibly be in a postion where at the end of the day they may be in a position where they may have the opporuntity to be successful”.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
The only drafted QB the Raiders ever developed and got anything put of is Stabler, as far as I can remember.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Palmer is due 13.5 next year?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes. $13 million salary and $16 million cap hit next year.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
DA crying as WIZ senior is walking out the door “Steve please stay please don’t CORF on me now.” Steve never looks back as he heads out the door and knows he’s made the right decision.
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“Corf”?…Ha. LMAO.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
LMAO AT D REGRESSING, D hasn’t done sh11t in 10 years, couldn’t force 1 punt in week 17 in one of the most important games in a while, yet some how DA is the reason for all that, give me a f break , there was only 1 good guy drafted for D in last 10 years that was Nnamdi, 1 good trade that was Seymour , who was only good in first couple of years in here drafted CB’s based on just 40 time, drafted a CB HUFF and put him at FS, Drafted Inside LB McClain from 3-4 Alabama to put him at 4-3 MLB , drafted DT Houston to put him at DE, wait what else , oh remember the 3-4 experience with Rob RYan , Sapp at E , Brayton at OLB, traded for Wimbley and the other guy to play linebackers, threw money at Wimbley and Routt like they were Lawrence Taylor and D Sanders, DeAngelo Hall trade, Gibril Wilson contract to name some players
November 20th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Pretty sad to be a fan of a team that has no identity and no direction. Reggie gets a D in his first season as GM. I agree he had to get rid of some overpaid guys, but he went too far, and didn’t bring in decent replacements. We will soon see if he has any marketing ability and can attract free agents!
November 20th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Beach you’re not being rational, there wasn’t anyone decent he could have brought with salary cap space
November 20th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Hector Macho Comacho shot in the face in Peurto Rico. Expected to live.
November 20th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
beach Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I honestly think I will not buy season tickets in 2013, unless Gruden or Holmgren become Head Coach. We need Mark to do something his father never did: pay big $$$ for a Head Coach!!!
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I’m not renewing mine. I’ve got better things to do with $3,500. Maybe a new 60″ 3D 1080p plasma flat screen & a subscription to the NFL ticket.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
-Can we win on Sunday? Of CORF we can.
-I haven’t been able to get rid of this darn CORF.
-Stay the CORF. That’s all we can do at this point.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Larry Brown, DeAngelo Hall, Gibril Wilson, Warren Sapp, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, # 2 (in more ways than one), Robert Gallery, Napolean Harris. What a waste of good money. Al’s life was the epitome of the Roman Empire. It was great and powerful for awhile, but when it came tumbling down, it was a very ugly fall!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
DJ-you seem to have a very short memory.Saying we were a contender last year,get real.Go back and read your comments from last season when you were ready to jump off a bridge because we sucked.DA isn’t responsible for this cluster phuck.The inept players are.As Cork said today during the chat-we don’t have any game changers that can step up and make big plays consistently.Quit listening to all the hate spewed on here and think for a change.Our players make plays once in a while but not consistently.That is our problem.We haven’t beaten a GOOD team in years.We can’t compete with the better teams.Could the coaches do a better job-no doubt.But they aren’t the reason for our record.It is the lack of any great players.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
JB Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
beach Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I honestly think I will not buy season tickets in 2013, unless Gruden or Holmgren become Head Coach. We need Mark to do something his father never did: pay big $$$ for a Head Coach!!!
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I’m not renewing mine. I’ve got better things to do with $3,500. Maybe a new 60″ 3D 1080p plasma flat screen & a subscription to the NFL ticket.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
$3500?!?!
You People are mad! They should pay you!
$3500?!?!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Pretty sad, JB. Pretty effin’ sad.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
I pay about half that to sit up close at the 25 yard line. JB must be in the suites.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
The Raiders get their players the same place every other team gets theirs. The Market. It’s the organizations that are different.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
There is plenty of blame to go around, but I have the general perception as Lefty. It’s 75% players, and 25% GM and coaching.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Two club season tickets ($150X 10) X (2 tickets) = $3000) & parking ($35 X 10 = $350) plus food & beverage actually closer to $4,000.
Yes, going to the game can be pricey. At that rate I expect something a lot better than what we currently have. Next year doesn’t look any better from my seats.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
DJ-you seem to have a very short memory.Saying we were a contender last year,get real.Go back and read your comments from last season when you were ready to jump off a bridge because we sucked.DA isn’t responsible for this cluster phuck.The inept players are.As Cork said today during the chat-we don’t have any game changers that can step up and make big plays consistently.Quit listening to all the hate spewed on here and think for a change.Our players make plays once in a while but not consistently.That is our problem.We haven’t beaten a GOOD team in years.We can’t compete with the better teams.Could the coaches do a better job-no doubt.But they aren’t the reason for our record.It is the lack of any great players.
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Nice to see sensible people in here for change, I’m glad the usual hate spewed in here hasn’t gotten over everybody’s head
November 20th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
You can buy an 80″ and NFL ticket for $4000.
You People….
November 20th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
McFadden, I know that. At the end of the day, though, Reggie must be graded on some expectation. So if 8-8 would have given him an A, 4-12 will give him a D.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Beach Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
I pay about half that to sit up close at the 25 yard line. JB must be in the suites.
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He might have 2 seats.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Lefty, Maybe alot of us are giving DA a harder time than what he deserves, but you must agree that we are regressing (like our owner says).
I would not be as disappointed if we had the same record but were improving each week.
This is getting REALLY bad right now.
At this point, honestly, I would be happy to just have the lopsided embarrassments stop.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
2 East side Club seats section 240 (30 yd line).
November 20th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Club seats. That explains it.
Hey, JB. Disregarding the crap product they’ve been marching out in front of us, how do you like sitting in the club seats?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
You guys know about this roll-over money for next years salary cap? DEN had 26M rolled over from last year, which helped them get P Manning this year, our estimated cap will be the 2nd worst next year at 122M, highest is 146 by Jax because 25 M will b Rolled over to next year
November 20th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
5-11 is the best we will see.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
JB Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Two club season tickets ($150X 10) X (2 tickets) = $3000) & parking ($35 X 10 = $350) plus food & beverage actually closer to $4,000.
Yes, going to the game can be pricey. At that rate I expect something a lot better than what we currently have. Next year doesn’t look any better from my seats.
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I’m joking. If you can afford it, and you enjoy the experience (friends, food, etc), why not?
Remenber, 80″ and NFL ticket are also $4000, and you can enjoy watching movies, shows, etc..
November 20th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
beach Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
McFadden, I know that. At the end of the day, though, Reggie must be graded on some expectation. So if 8-8 would have given him an A, 4-12 will give him a D.
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I believe we end up like 7-9 this year, but like i said a lot of last years wins pretty much had to do with weak schedule, which isn’t as weak this year, plus other teams got better in off-season and our hands were tied, you can’t expect to get better like that
November 20th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
I will say one positive thing: I have a pair of seats but the $86 per game has not changed in over 10 years!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Club seats. That explains it.
Hey, JB. Disregarding the crap product they’ve been marching out in front of us, how do you like sitting in the club seats?
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I’m old and happen to have a disabled plackard. I sit in row 7W which is setup for wheelchairs so there are no fixed seats there. They have really comfortable individual move able chairs. They are great – plenty of legroom, no crowding, nobody directly in front of you, just really great seats. I’ll miss them. The only negative is that you get lots of sun (it gets hot) and you get wet if it rains.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
DJ,go back and read the comments before the season started.Most people acknowledged our record would be worse this year than last if for no other reason than the schedule.I’m not giving the coaches a pass,believe me.But I realize they are trying to make a 5 star gourmet dinner out of horse manure.Also,while I doubt he is in their class,Walsh and J.Johnson won 1 game their 1st years as HC.They needed players,just like DA does.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
You guys know about this roll-over money for next years salary cap? DEN had 26M rolled over from last year, which helped them get P Manning this year, our estimated cap will be the 2nd worst next year at 122M, highest is 146 by Jax because 25 M will b Rolled over to next year
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I wasn’t aware teams could roll over that much money.
Reggie has around 6 mil. left from what I understand.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
The fans deserve better. There are some great fans that show up for these games, through thick and thin. Don’t get me wrong, plenty of low-life losers show up too, but the good majority are good die-hard fans. Here we were 3-6 and losing the last 2 in poor form yet you wouldn’t be able to tell just before game-time. Fans were cheering like we were in contention for something.
Such a shame. Deserve better.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Good night, all. Happy Thanksgiving! May good things come soon to the Oakland Raiders!
November 20th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Gotta run guys – L8R
November 20th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
JB Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Club seats. That explains it.
Hey, JB. Disregarding the crap product they’ve been marching out in front of us, how do you like sitting in the club seats?
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I’m old and happen to have a disabled plackard. I sit in row 7W which is setup for wheelchairs so there are no fixed seats there. They have really comfortable individual move able chairs. They are great – plenty of legroom, no crowding, nobody directly in front of you, just really great seats. I’ll miss them. The only negative is that you get lots of sun (it gets hot) and you get wet if it rains.
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Thanks for sharing that. It’s fans like you that deserve so much better.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Lefty, I totally agree we need to overhaul the roster.
I would say 50% at least.
Our defense can be totally replaced with UDFA’s and probably do better than this.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
You guys know about this roll-over money for next years salary cap? DEN had 26M rolled over from last year, which helped them get P Manning this year, our estimated cap will be the 2nd worst next year at 122M, highest is 146 by Jax because 25 M will b Rolled over to next year
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I wasn’t aware teams could roll over that much money.
Reggie has around 6 mil. left from what I understand.
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Yup all the unused cap space could be rolled over from previous years, we had like 3 million rolled over from last year, one of the site’s saying we have 1.34 M cap this year , Jax has the highest cap space at 25 Million so at 121M salary cap , we will be sitting at 122.34 next year , Jax will be at 146
November 20th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
JB is a trooper.
I think I recall him having to be taken out of training camp by ambulance earlier this yr.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Take it easy JB.We need fans like you.
November 20th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Freaking Chiefs have 14.5 M cap space, Broncos have 11M even after signing P Manning , we have 3 Mil after cutting guys Wimbley and Routt, Thanks AL
November 20th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Does anybody know if Wimbley buyout would account against next years salary or is it against this years?
November 20th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
I’m out later nation
November 20th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Post 520 mctroll20 trolling again. Lol smh We weren’t world beaters last year but we werent welcome matts either.Theres no way in hell you can say that this team hasnt regressed. Mcfadden was hurt last year as well but our run game was light years ahead of where it is now all thats really missing is sam satele. Wiz is still here, Veldheer, carlisle, barnes… If satele makes that much of a difference then Reggie and da are at fault for letting him go. Our defense was bad last year which is why I assume they brought Dennis Allen in but were worst than last year in every aspect across the board, st, against the run, against the pass, points scored… and you.mean8 to tell me he has nothing to do with that? Last year we lead the league in penalties something that falls solely on players lack of focus but ppl still held hue accountable now we’re horrible in every other aspect of the game and you dont wanna hold Da accoufntable? Lol smh and whats funny is 3ven while leading the league in penalties last year we still pulled off 8 games last year and nearly won the division with as you say “no talent”. So that means those 8 games were won solely off coaching seeing we have no talent according to you. If hue can do it another coach can but ob iously not this 1 because hes awful … any coach can win with a team of allstars.
November 21st, 2012 at 12:08 am
The Mack Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Post 520 mctroll20 trolling again. Lol smh We weren’t world beaters last year but we werent welcome matts either.Theres no way in hell you can say that this team hasnt regressed. Mcfadden was hurt last year as well but our run game was light years ahead of where it is now all thats really missing is sam satele. Wiz is still here, Veldheer, carlisle, barnes… If satele makes that much of a difference then Reggie and da are at fault for letting him go. Our defense was bad last year which is why I assume they brought Dennis Allen in but were worst than last year in every aspect across the board, st, against the run, against the pass, points scored… and you.mean8 to tell me he has nothing to do with that? Last year we lead the league in penalties something that falls solely on players lack of focus but ppl still held hue accountable now we’re horrible in every other aspect of the game and you dont wanna hold Da accoufntable? Lol smh and whats funny is 3ven while leading the league in penalties last year we still pulled off 8 games last year and nearly won the division with as you say “no talent”. So that means those 8 games were won solely off coaching seeing we have no talent according to you. If hue can do it another coach can but ob iously not this 1 because hes awful … any coach can win with a team of allstars.
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Are you dumb or something , do you even know what trolling even means????
DO you understand that we beat up on weak schedule last year? so far we only faced 3 weak teams this year , we faced plenty of them last year
and with the offseason, we just got worse because we had to cut players to comply with salary cap , while other teams added players to make them better, do me a favor , don’t buttt into my conversations , if you’re just going to talk out of your ass
November 21st, 2012 at 12:13 am
The Mack Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Post 520 mctroll20 trolling again. Lol smh We weren’t world beaters last year but we werent welcome matts either.Theres no way in hell you can say that this team hasnt regressed. Mcfadden was hurt last year as well but our run game was light years ahead of where it is now all thats really missing is sam satele. Wiz is still here, Veldheer, carlisle, barnes… If satele makes that much of a difference then Reggie and da are at fault for letting him go. Our defense was bad last year which is why I assume they brought Dennis Allen in but were worst than last year in every aspect across the board, st, against the run, against the pass, points scored… and you.mean8 to tell me he has nothing to do with that? Last year we lead the league in penalties something that falls solely on players lack of focus but ppl still held hue accountable now we’re horrible in every other aspect of the game and you dont wanna hold Da accoufntable? Lol smh and whats funny is 3ven while leading the league in penalties last year we still pulled off 8 games last year and nearly won the division with as you say “no talent”. So that means those 8 games were won solely off coaching seeing we have no talent according to you. If hue can do it another coach can but ob iously not this 1 because hes awful … any coach can win with a team of allstars.
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1 more thing , yeah we may have regressed in special teams and are probably not scoring many points as you all probably liked but that wasn’t going to change our outcomes against good teams , even with good O we ain’t becoming Pats or NO without a legit #1 and legit # 2, teams like those who can go head to head against other high scoring teams , we didn’t do that last year , we certainly weren’t going to do that this year either, yeah we can always beat those bad teams with bad O’s and bad D’s but like GB and NE games last year, we’re getting our asses kicked again
November 21st, 2012 at 12:21 am
It’s going to take us pretty good off-season by cutting some dead weight and bringing in good FA’s and a pretty good draft
November 21st, 2012 at 12:26 am
We played weak teams ok, houston wasnt a playoff team i guess, the bears werent a playoff team I guess, and both those were road games. Theres no such thing as a easy game in the nfl because each team has professional players. You say the schedule was weak but the raidrrs won games with most of our star players were injured so it wasnt like he had a great advantage against thos “weak teams “. And you say we lack talent because of the players we cut but you say they all were non factors so you’re contradicting yourself. I could of swore you were part in line with those who feel wimbley, routt, and curryy were dead weight so the whole cutting players argument is invalid because they were trash according to you right? And i call you a troll not cus youre a troll but because it annoys you like your blind faith in da annoys me…. lol
November 21st, 2012 at 12:39 am
But honest question though, all smack talk and criticism/personal bias aside… what good decision or moves has Da made to.make you believe in him? What has he done to earn a se ond chance and your confidence? Because so far all ive got is an excuse that he doesnt have great players … which ill admit we arent the 18-1 pats, but as a coach has he done that says hes a great coach???
November 21st, 2012 at 1:14 am
The Mack Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 12:26 am
We played weak teams ok, houston wasnt a playoff team i guess, the bears werent a playoff team I guess, and both those were road games. Theres no such thing as a easy game in the nfl because each team has professional players. You say the schedule was weak but the raidrrs won games with most of our star players were injured so it wasnt like he had a great advantage against thos “weak teams “. And you say we lack talent because of the players we cut but you say they all were non factors so you’re contradicting yourself. I could of swore you were part in line with those who feel wimbley, routt, and curryy were dead weight so the whole cutting players argument is invalid because they were trash according to you right? And i call you a troll not cus youre a troll but because it annoys you like your blind faith in da annoys me…. lol
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First of all lets get this right, they beat Houston after AD Died under normal circumstances that team never even shows up and Chicago game was at home and their QB wasn’t Cutler it was sum lame backup, past 10 years tell us we wouldn’t have beaten Chicago if cutler was playing because we barely beat his backup , even he was a one deep strike away that he over threw wide open receiver from beating us
2nd , yes those players weren’t all that route and curry but they were making too much money which hinders us from signing good players and we had to take good salary cap hit in dumping both Wimbley (who was our best pass rusher but wasnt doin much for all the money he was paid )and Routt , so in return we could only bring guys on 1 year contracts , we couldn’t get a good pass rushers , because they all demand money and we didn’t have any because of those idiots
November 21st, 2012 at 1:20 am
It’s just all bad. Nothing good is going to happen for a couple years. Greg Knapp should never have been rehired. His play calling and his blocking scheme are all failure and we’ve seen this before which is worse. DA is supposed to be a defensive coach and in actuality, that’s the place where we’ve regressed the most.
The only question I have are: How was Hugh Jackson making this team overachieve so greatly and Cable before him?
It seemed like the team was a few tweaks here and there from being respectable (at least 8-8 or 9-7 capable). I get the feeling Mark Davis was sold a rotten bill of goods by McKenzie and Allen.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:24 am
The Mack Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 12:39 am
But honest question though, all smack talk and criticism/personal bias aside… what good decision or moves has Da made to.make you believe in him? What has he done to earn a se ond chance and your confidence? Because so far all ive got is an excuse that he doesnt have great players … which ill admit we arent the 18-1 pats, but as a coach has he done that says hes a great coach???
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He made mistakes hiring Knapp and St coach which he can correct on next year, I think he made a solid choice in Tarver hiring, he has def fixed the run D ,when they ain’t selling out to stop teams from passing (because of lAck of pass rush and bad secondary )they are pretty good in stopping runs , but pass rush is another matter, I believe you can’t do anything about it if you don’t have good pass rushers..that’s all I’m going to say , so what I’m saying again is even if Hue was still here (who I wanted back for another year) we would have still struggled to beat good teams , because we don’t have the fire power on O to go head to head against likes of Brees , and others week in and week out, our O doesn’t have true #1 receiver , our D just s8cks flat out because we got no pass rushers ,again we’re 2 outta 3 against bad teams this year ,on par with how we were doing last year, and facing a good QB our games are unwatchable just like last year
November 21st, 2012 at 1:28 am
Pdr Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 1:20 am
It’s just all bad. Nothing good is going to happen for a couple years. Greg Knapp should never have been rehired. His play calling and his blocking scheme are all failure and we’ve seen this before which is worse. DA is supposed to be a defensive coach and in actuality, that’s the place where we’ve regressed the most.
The only question I have are: How was Hugh Jackson making this team overachieve so greatly and Cable before him?
It seemed like the team was a few tweaks here and there from being respectable (at least 8-8 or 9-7 capable). I get the feeling Mark Davis was sold a rotten bill of goods by McKenzie and Allen.
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Wrong again, Hue wasn’t doing much else besides putting up more points , and we faced bad teams on schedule last year , same story as last year, you should know our D was going to be bad after week 17, can’t believe people thought just changing the schemes would make them better (including me) but I realized we got no pass rush, because we had no money to bring in sum legit players on DLine
November 21st, 2012 at 1:36 am
You guys talk like last years O was setting league on fire, neither unit was great, Zo was ranked#16 in points scored ,D was horrible, which got more horrible due to Seymour ,Kelly getting older, and letting go Wimbley because we couldn’t have fielded team of 53 if we had to keep him, REG needs have a good offseason , DA need to get rid of all O coaches and Special teams coaches, I don’t want to live off on fluke 8-8 seasons , by beating weak teams on schedule , I want a legit team , with Legit D , that have a change against top NFL teams, I don’t even care about this year, as long as we didn’t finish 0-16 I’m okay because we weren’t going to go anywhere with this team either so in return if we finish worse than everybody predicted its going to be good , then we can get a real PassRusher with that high oil in draft or trade down and accumulate more picks
November 21st, 2012 at 1:37 am
The only question I have are: How was Hugh Jackson making this team overachieve so greatly and Cable before him?
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Thats so absolutely right. Hue and Cable had these guys ballin. Seems like now the team has mailed it in. Another problem is DA and Reg seem to be vanilla-izing this team instead of trying to restore the Raider image like Hue and Cable were on the right track of getting us back in. And DA hired knapp, what else more is there to say. The O sucks.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:37 am
Pick^^^* not oil
Stupid Iphone
November 21st, 2012 at 1:39 am
MR is at it again , good luck
November 21st, 2012 at 1:41 am
Our new D gurus have given up a league high 322 points.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:43 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 1:39 am
MR is at it again , good luck
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Sorry to disappoint you, but MR likes the new regime. I can’t stand it and wish Al were here. He never had salary cap issues. And he was putting this team back on the map. Hue was unfairly fired.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:44 am
Submit Comment Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 1:41 am
Our new D gurus have given up a league high 322 points.
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More to do with facing good passing teams compared to last year when we faced just 4 good passing teams , no salary cap space= had to let go wimbley , couldn’t bring no pass rusher , and year older Kelly and Seymour = no pass rush = Qb’s having all day in the pocket
November 21st, 2012 at 1:48 am
Submit Comment Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 1:43 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 1:39 am
MR is at it again , good luck
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Sorry to disappoint you, but MR likes the new regime. I can’t stand it and wish Al were here. He never had salary cap issues. And he was putting this team back on the map. Hue was unfairly fired.
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I’m sorry he did not have salary cap issues?? Really ?? Cuz I don’t rem last FA he signed that was any good , all the guy did was trade all his draft picks for scrubs like D Hall, A Curry, J Campbell, the real talent(C Wood, N Asomugha ) always left the Raiders for other teams
November 21st, 2012 at 1:51 am
Last notable signing was Moss ,who had 1 good year, we haven’t done much in FA market in years
November 21st, 2012 at 1:54 am
Other teams find real talents , we sign stupid washed up players on their last legs , W Sapp, J Walker , other teams draft smartly we freak in draft DEs to play OLB in 3-4 scheme , draft 3-4 ILB to play MLB in 4-3 ,draft a DT to play DE, draft CBs to play a safeties , draft safeties to play as CBS
November 21st, 2012 at 1:55 am
Sh1t I forgot Moss wasn’t a FA signing it was just another horrible trade in line of horrible trades Al made recently
November 21st, 2012 at 2:01 am
Traded 1st rd pick #7 overall and 5th rd pick to Minny for Moss who wore out his welcome in Minny and then sent him to Pats for 4th rd pick in return
Traded 2nd round pick to Atl for 8 Games of D Hall
Traded 1st rd #17 overall for 3-4 end player Richard Seymour to play DE and DT in 4-3
Traded 4th round to Washington for a QB who they were going to cut anyways
November 21st, 2012 at 2:06 am
drafted J Russell #1 who had big questions marks , drafted R Gallery #2 overall then instead of putting him at one spot ,tried him at every position, Drafted DHB (one of my fav players) at #7 when he could have traded down and accumulated more picks and still had a chance to pick DHB exactly where he was projected to go, drafted 3-4 ILB McClain to play in 4-3
November 21st, 2012 at 2:08 am
So many stupid mistakes by Al last 10 years ,yet you guys were ready to buy SB tickets this year after couple of fluke 8-8 seasons
November 21st, 2012 at 2:10 am
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2012/opp.htm
Great stat website. One thing for sure, we got the stats to go with our record. And the league likes to talk parity, but there aint none. Its 50/50 good teams and bad teams.
November 21st, 2012 at 2:12 am
Als management finally caught up ,we ain’t going anywhere until we get rid of his other draft mistakes and huge contracts and give all that money to real talent
November 21st, 2012 at 2:14 am
you guys will see what real management will do , they will draft players according to the schemes they’re going to run, they won’t just check out their 40 times
November 21st, 2012 at 2:14 am
I’m out ..1 Nation
November 21st, 2012 at 2:16 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 2:08 am
So many stupid mistakes by Al last 10 years ,yet you guys were ready to buy SB tickets this year after couple of fluke 8-8 seasons
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8-8 weren’t fluke. Al had this team ready with Hue. You know how hard Al had to battle with the entire NFL out to get him? Got screwed on so many occasions, especially by the refs. Not easy at all to overcome that. Give us the snow bowl and we got momentum that lasts for years and years. The refs let Saragoose take out Gannon. We win that game and the momentum is big. Only thing Al ever did I wished he didn’t was let Gruden go. But we were not privy to the conversation. Last years team was ready to make the leap, but reggie mck fired hue and hired allen.
November 21st, 2012 at 2:21 am
I’m sorry I don’t think last years team was ready to take the leap ,not a chance with this D , no DCo was going to perform magic with these players
November 21st, 2012 at 2:21 am
https://www.profootballfocus.com/
Good in depth analysis site. Got to register, but lots on info and stats.
November 21st, 2012 at 2:23 am
N you’re just here to stirr the pot, everybody knows we suck at every position group , you don’t win champions with this kinda talent
November 21st, 2012 at 2:31 am
Site won’t let me post the link to walterfootball dot com, but interesting stuff over there, like the 2013 draft.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:52 am
I hope all is well with you and your family. How is little RaiderRockstar. My and the wife want another one. I hope it’s a boy.
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Raider O,
RRS Jr just turned 2 last weekend. he’s crazy as ever
thats cool your wife and you are trying for another kid. Even if it doesn’t work out, the “trying” part is fun too!! good luck to you my friend
and yes, you were right about the coaching staff DA pieced together after all the decent asst coaches signed elsewhere. there is a reason these guys were unemployed or available
November 21st, 2012 at 4:09 am
Jeff Tedford would be an upgrade over the current OC or QB Coach
Heck, maybe even HC!!
November 21st, 2012 at 5:13 am
GOOD MORNING NATION !!
and my Greenparty brothers !!
November 21st, 2012 at 5:44 am
Good morning Mike, about to go terrorize your neck of the woods in 3 weeks.
Spend next week in El Paso, than go to Oakland/SF for the Donkey game and weekend, then a week in DC/Maryland.
I think I am going to sleep in my own bed, 4 days out of the next 20.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:57 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Nothing after Curry, huh?
November 21st, 2012 at 6:01 am
Good morning from So Cal. L.A. Raiders coming back to their home in 2014. It’s about to get real.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:06 am
After we win 3 Super Bowls in L.A. in the next decade, Oakland is going to become an afterthought. A footnote of history.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:08 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.MY DIET WILL DIE A TERRIBLE DEATH THE NEXT FEW DAYS..
November 21st, 2012 at 6:18 am
Hey Dirt Lot…LOL, mine too! Thanksgiving and birthday on Sunday! Man, I hope The Raiders gives me a good present!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 6:21 am
I STOPPED HAVING BIRTHDAYS A FEW YEARS BACK.GOT TIRED OF EM..
November 21st, 2012 at 6:22 am
Anyone seen the new Twilight yet? My girlfriend made me go. Usually those movies are pretty gay. But this one wasn’t bad.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:26 am
WONDER ABOUT WEATHER IN CINCY ON SUNDAY..
November 21st, 2012 at 6:30 am
I know right? Sunday i came through row 10 in A lot…where were you guys?
November 21st, 2012 at 6:33 am
WE WERE IN ROW 4..U SHOULD HAVE CALLED ME
November 21st, 2012 at 6:35 am
Oh row 4…darnit! Actually I did call and it went to VM. I hung around for a bit then I went back. Funny is that when I got back, DMAC just left my tailgate…lol
November 21st, 2012 at 6:41 am
SORRY MAN..I HAD A BUZZ GOIN EARLY.WE WERE JUST EAST OF THAT LADDER STRUCTURE.WILL MAKE IT A POINT TO CONNECT WITH U VS CLEVELAND..
November 21st, 2012 at 6:43 am
LADDY THAT WAS WITH WAS MIXING THE COCTAILS A TAD STRONG THAT MORNING..
November 21st, 2012 at 6:43 am
LADY HE MEANT TO SAY !!
November 21st, 2012 at 6:50 am
591.mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 2:23 am
N you’re just here to stirr the pot, everybody knows we suck at every position group , you don’t win champions with this kinda talent
Damn your dumber than a sack of hammers.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:52 am
LOL, it’s all good bro! Cleveland game I won’t be there…have to work that weekend! But I will be there Thursday night!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:02 am
So who’s taking Currys spot?Lee signed with Detroit, right?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:04 am
So, we still have no word on who will replace Curry on the active roster?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:05 am
Neilb Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:02 am
So who’s taking Currys spot?Lee signed with Detroit, right?
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Exactly. Cutting players with no clear plan for replacement is pretty foolish. And it starting to seem as if it was a cut made out of spite. This regime just doesnt seem to have a very good handle on things.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:10 am
The most frustrating of this waiving of Curry is that Lee was waived to make room for Curry coming back…and only two weeks later…??? HUH?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:15 am
It doesn’t reflect very well on the management.Basically a wasted spot since the season started.
Will we go like-for-like? What free agent LB’s are worth looking at?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:15 am
Hwnrdr Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:10 am
The most frustrating of this waiving of Curry is that Lee was waived to make room for Curry coming back…and only two weeks later…??? HUH?
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Not jumping to conclusions. These guys are paid millions for the supposed “knowledge”. But to the casual observer, these moves make it look more and more like Reggie doesnt know what hes doing. We already know DA is clueless, but Reggie is not giving much to defend his name right now either. These guys are making way too much money for these kinds of results and questionable moves. Thats just my take.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:16 am
I LOVE the fact that someone from that defense was cut.
Can’t wait for even more turnover of this puuhhhhthetic BS.
Should be new inactives, depth chart reorganization, etc.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:17 am
I hear ya, JDB!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:18 am
J Hill, yeah but a back up?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:18 am
Knapp is an unimaginative OC. I get that.
But if Reece can get 100 yds running the ball in this system, DMac should be ashamed of himself!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:21 am
That backup made the choice easy by his antics and just idioctic MENTAL errors.
This defense just simply has a couple of LOW football IQ guys in KEY positions that get picked on EVERY week.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:23 am
True, J Hill…2 plays, 30 yard penalties!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:23 am
I D Moore keeps running the wrong routes, BENCH his arsse.
If the QB keeps throwing INTS, BENCH his arsse!!!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:24 am
The saints D were probably shocked that Reece could run.I doubt anyone thought a Raider RB could get 100yds even against a poor run D like the saints.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:25 am
J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:18 am
Knapp is an unimaginative OC. I get that.
But if Reece can get 100 yds running the ball in this system, DMac should be ashamed of himself!
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Ding ding ding ding ding we have a winner
Trade DMac on draft day to the first team who offers a 3rd round pick or better.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:26 am
neilb Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:15 am
It doesn’t reflect very well on the management.Basically a wasted spot since the season started.
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He was on the PUP, he wasn’t taking up anyone’s spot. Then they gave him a shot, which he deserved, and he blew it. Not sure how that reflects badly on management.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:27 am
You know, as much as I hate that idea, I’d have to run with it…he has never given us a full season. Always hurt…blah blah blah…if he’s is NOT gona work out…may as well get what you can for him!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:27 am
Nevermind bench them……hit them where it really hurts……..thier pockets.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:28 am
Man this franchise is like a remixed song. Same ol $#!t over and over just a different idiot with the mike!
Until we stop changing coaches every year after year with no consitant string of years put together expect the same.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:28 am
PA, but didn’t they cut Lee to make room for him? I know, Lee is a back up as well, but…
November 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:28 am
PA, but didn’t they cut Lee to make room for him? I know, Lee is a back up as well, but…
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Lee wasn’t very good. Neither was Curry. They cut one mediocre-to-bad player to make room for another. Happens all the time. And now they’ll probably sign another mediocre-to-bad player since that’s all that’s out there righ tnow
November 21st, 2012 at 7:30 am
Time to put Palmer AND DMac on the shelf to keep them healthy for trades this offseason.
Jets are ripe for the picking for Palmer.
I think we could trade DMac to the Lions.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:30 am
628.SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:26 am
neilb Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:15 am
It doesn’t reflect very well on the management.Basically a wasted spot since the season started.
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He was on the PUP, he wasn’t taking up anyone’s spot. Then they gave him a shot, which he deserved, and he blew it. Not sure how that reflects badly on management.
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Yes you’re right.My bad.
Sorry Reggie.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:30 am
I would be very surprised if we beat the Bengals.
I expect Palmer to throw his usual 2-3 picks at the worse point of the game trying to push the ball down the field aginst his old franchise.
Not to mention Hue can tell the defense how to sheme aginst the guy since he coached him all last year. SMH and LMAO!!! Man!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:44 am
Good morning Mike, about to go terrorize your neck of the woods in 3 weeks.
Spend next week in El Paso, than go to Oakland/SF for the Donkey game and weekend, then a week in DC/Maryland.
I think I am going to sleep in my own bed, 4 days out of the next 20.
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dont forget your winter coat. its getting a little cold in SMIB country !!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:31 am
J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:30 am
Time to put Palmer AND DMac on the shelf to keep them healthy for trades this offseason.
Jets are ripe for the picking for Palmer.
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Given that there’s zero worthwhile FA QBs this offseason and huge question marks surrounding the 1st round QBs this year, it’d be wise to keep Palmer playing now and next season.
IRing McFadden though sounds like a good idea
November 21st, 2012 at 7:32 am
The wsad part is Curry was really done with the Seahawks they would not of gave him away for nothing. They knew he had bad knees and was ticking time bomb.
Curry always made stupid plays! Why do we keep trying to make more out of broken talent???
November 21st, 2012 at 7:33 am
Yes and if he really is hurt, and won’t be back for awhile…place him on IR!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:35 am
I think we could trade DMac to the Lions.
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They’ve had a lot of problems with injury-prone runners but I was thinking the same.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:37 am
638.SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:31 am
J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:30 am
Time to put Palmer AND DMac on the shelf to keep them healthy for trades this offseason.
Jets are ripe for the picking for Palmer.
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Given that there’s zero worthwhile FA QBs this offseason and huge question marks surrounding the 1st round QBs this year, it’d be wise to keep Palmer playing now and next season.
IRing McFadden though sounds like a good idea
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And who are you replacing them with?
I guess you are looking forward to a 1-15 season next year…enjoy.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:37 am
J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:18 am
Knapp is an unimaginative OC. I get that.
But if Reece can get 100 yds running the ball in this system, DMac should be ashamed of himself!
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That’s not very fair.
When McF was in the game all the defenses did was stick 8 in the box knowing all Knapp was going to do was run, especially in the first half on first and second down.
I doubt Reece has ever seen eight in the box… although I have been saying since last year he should be getting more carries. Which is why I didn’t want to keep Bush.
Why a dude sitting on a couch watching TV can see this guys speed and talent, and two entirely different coaching staffs up close and personal could completely miss it is baffling.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
Would DMAC net a low 2nd or 3rd round pick? Sounds better than loosing him outright next year. The question is who will make the gamble? DMAC is injury prone and more promise than production.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Nobody is giving up a 1st rounder for either Dmac or CP3. I say a 3rd rounder at best. I am up for trading Dmac for a 2nd rounder I guess; but Reggie better replace him with a stud.
You still have only one 1st round pick. No 2nd rounder.
With the salary cap situation, Reggie can only afford 1 or 2 big name FA’s at best. You still need to replace about 7 starters on D and 5 on Offense.
Not keeping CP3 will ensure a 1-15 – 3-13 season at best.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:42 am
I dont like the idea of trading Palmer. He is the only pro we’ve got on the team, yeah he throws a pick-6 per game, but he rubs off in a great way on the young guys, Pryor makes it a point to say so every time, so does the coaching staff. We need this guy to groom some pros before he hands over the reigns…
November 21st, 2012 at 7:43 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
Would DMAC net a low 2nd or 3rd round pick? Sounds better than loosing him outright next year. The question is who will make the gamble? DMAC is injury prone and more promise than production.
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I think he’d get a 2nd in a heart beat. All they have to do is pull out the tape from last year before Knapp arrived.
Or wait until Hue gets another HCing gig. And he WILL get another… especially with the Raiders suddenly becoming a laughing stock in such a short time.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Yeah, DMAC for a late 2nd would be a good deal. we need to draft some talented linemen, 2nd round sounds like a place to do it.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:46 am
I envision a bunch of 1st and 2nd year players on the roster next year with a few big name FA’s that will barely make a difference.
You need a veteran QB when you have a bunch of rookies out there. I say keep CP3 for at least another year and this time Reggie better give him a REAL #1 receiver.
I have said this all along. D-Moore is a #2 and DHB is a #3 at best.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
Something a bit off topic, but CJ Spiller took a couple of years to mature, but wow, have you seen this kid this year? Reminds me a bit of Barry Sanders, really, awesome.
Could sell the story that DMAC is maturing and will explode ala Spiller (7 yards per carry, something like that? wow!)
November 21st, 2012 at 7:50 am
Just another “growing pain” by McMILLEN…
Should have made an injury settlement with Curry when camp ended instead of reworking his contract to cost us 1.5 Million against the cap next year.
Just like firing Hue without a contingency plan, or the influx of practice team level guys to the roster the Big Baffoon is off to a less than impressive start…
November 21st, 2012 at 7:51 am
650.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
Something a bit off topic, but CJ Spiller took a couple of years to mature, but wow, have you seen this kid this year? Reminds me a bit of Barry Sanders, really, awesome.
Could sell the story that DMAC is maturing and will explode ala Spiller (7 yards per carry, something like that? wow!)
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Dmac already matured 2 years ago, then he got hurt and regressed to square one.
By the way, your handle is jinxed, firt the macho man gets killed in a car crash, now Macho Camacho gets shot in the face and is about to be taken off life support.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:51 am
Not keeping CP3 will ensure a 1-15 – 3-13 season at best.
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IR’ing Palmer gets us a look at Pryor.
If Pryor completely stinks up the joint, we can kepp Palmer.
But what if Pryor can play?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:52 am
I’m a big fan of Marcel Reece and he played great on Sunday, but totally unfair to say he’s somehow as effective or moreso than McFadden. Three things about this:
1) As Cork pointed out, teams key on McFadden far more than any of our other backs because he’s more of a threat and everyone in the league knows that.
2) The Saints run defense is terrible.
3) And this probably has a lot to do woith Nos. 1 & 2, this Sunday was the first time all season our line opened any kind of running lanes all season, other than the one against the Steelers that McFadden took to the house and maybe a handul of other times. As Greg Papa said on the radio, Reece did a great job, but if McFadden had those same lanes to run through he may have gone for 300 yards and we may have had a shot.
If you want to talk injury that’s understandable, but also know that McFadden is entering the final year of his contract. NFL teams don’t pay much in terms of picks for one-year rentals. So at this point, you’re probably talking a 3rd rounder, which most likely yields a Bergstrom or Barksdale caliber player. You maybe have a 1 in 25 chance of netting a real differrence maker there.-
November 21st, 2012 at 7:53 am
As for trading McFadden-If we can get a 2nd out of it–why not?
He ain’t producing-he ain’t healthy-he ain’t being used right when he is healthy. If we’re staying with the ZBS, then we need the pick for a lineman, who is more important than who is standing behind him. Unproductive (in DMC’s case utilized wrong) running backs are a dime a dozen-get what you can trading one, and pay the other peanuts.
As for this trading Palmer-I think it wouldn’t be the best thing to do to be at least mediocre next season…but this season is so bad, I’ve given up on next season as well.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Macho Camacho got shot in the face? shame… by the way who you like: Manny or my man Marquez?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
653.J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:51 am
Not keeping CP3 will ensure a 1-15 – 3-13 season at best.
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IR’ing Palmer gets us a look at Pryor.
If Pryor completely stinks up the joint, we can kepp Palmer.
But what if Pryor can play?
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Pryor could play if you stick him in with the 49ers roster, he would get killed with this O-line. And have you seen his throwing motion? It makes Byron Leftwitch’s throwing motion look like Joe Montana’s.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Hue on cals hc list..
November 21st, 2012 at 7:55 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
Something a bit off topic, but CJ Spiller took a couple of years to mature, but wow, have you seen this kid this year? Reminds me a bit of Barry Sanders, really, awesome.
Could sell the story that DMAC is maturing and will explode ala Spiller (7 yards per carry, something like that? wow!)
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I dont think it will be tough to sell McFadden. Teams are aware that he was the hardest runner in the league for 2 years until he had gotten hurt last year. Teams are also aware that Knapp is a sack of sh#t with the playcalls, and I know there are HCs/OCs in the league that would love to use McFadden as their weapon of choice. It actually sucks that we have to trade such a valuable weapon on account of a coaching staff and scheme. I’ll take McFadden in an offense that is suited to and built around his strengths over any RB in the ZBS, even when its clicking. Because I believe that the results would be better. We’re looking at trading a weapon in favor of the system, and it sucks to me. But I still say a team will give up a 2nd for Dmac. I could even see a team like NE giving up a late first for DMAC. I bet you Belicheck and Brady wouldnt mind having McFadden. Damn, This staff sucks.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:56 am
Trade all these fags
November 21st, 2012 at 7:56 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Hue on cals hc list..
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As he should be. His offense will thrive in college football. Hes a hell of a motivator, and that sells even more on the college level. And I can bet hes going to be a beast of a recruiter in this young high scool players living rooms. Hue is ready made for college football right now. As an SC fan, Id take him over Lane in a heartbeat.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:57 am
656.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Macho Camacho got shot in the face? shame… by the way who you like: Manny or my man Marquez?
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He got shot in Puerto Rico last night in the face and neck. His mom is on the way to the hospital to decide on whether or not to take him off life support.
Manny by decision once again, Marquez is a bad match up for Manny, but he is almost 40 now.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:57 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Macho Camacho got shot in the face? shame… by the way who you like: Manny or my man Marquez?
Yup, Macho Camacho got shot in Peurto Rico. The friend with him died last night! I never knew he was about to be taken off of life support though!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:59 am
659.. its sickening that trading dmac is now a smart choice for us… fùck krapp
November 21st, 2012 at 8:02 am
Maybe if Mark D doesn’t get an rookie GM we could actually have gotten a bona fide NFL HC who commanded his teams respect?…
The locls will NEVER tell you that this team has quit, but the fans in the stands know what they see isn’t Professional Effort…
Watching the safeties get lambasted by their position coach on the telecast, and those players looking over their shoulder without a care is telling….
MM34 was crying cause he ran his mouth all week and looked like he belongs in the Arena League when Sunday came…
November 21st, 2012 at 8:02 am
The thing about DMAC from my point of view is that he has real endurance issues, bad luck, whatever you want to call it. We will invest 2 or 3 years in developing linemen…he will be spent by the time we make a run, let him flourish somewhere else, and get some picks to bring in beef.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:03 am
OAKLAND NOW AT #59 IN THE POWER RANKINGS..
November 21st, 2012 at 8:04 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:59 am
659.. its sickening that trading dmac is now a smart choice for us… fùck krapp
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DA, Knapp, Tarver. Straight up muppets with no imagination. Need perfectly hand crafted players for their systems, which they dont know how to teach or run correctly anyways. Get these bums out of here and get a staff that has half a clue. Get the best out of your mismatches every week. Coach players up. Coach against opponents weaknesses. These guys coach like theyre reading our of a coaching handbook. This dudes are clueless. Failed experiment. Time to scrap it and start from scratch. I’ll wait 3 years for THE RIGHT GUYS. Im not waiting 3 years for these clowns.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:04 am
Taking about safeties, I have never seen a safety get run over as much as Gio. I love the guy i pass coverage, but he isn’t built for tackling 230 pound rbs… Gio doesn’t have a number on his back, he has tire marks.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:05 am
Im trying to give tits a chance.. but he hired all these bùttholes.. you have to factor in who he hires when grading his job.. right now F-…. theres no excuse for this
November 21st, 2012 at 8:05 am
Watch Manti Te’o this Saturday night. Kiper thinks we take him.
He helps us against the run, he can get after the QB, and he can even drop back in to coverage, and take away the middle of the field.
We may have other needs, but I don’t see how we can pass him up.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:06 am
How many times do we hear all week about the danger a certain player coming to town is, much like Jimmy Graham last week, and when the game comes, that player finds himself WIDE OPEN, without ANY defender within 5 yards of him?
WTF is going on with this team?
November 21st, 2012 at 8:07 am
668.John David Booty Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:04 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:59 am
659.. its sickening that trading dmac is now a smart choice for us… fùck krapp
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DA, Knapp, Tarver. Straight up muppets with no imagination. Need perfectly hand crafted players for their systems, which they dont know how to teach or run correctly anyways. Get these bums out of here and get a staff that has half a clue. Get the best out of your mismatches every week. Coach players up. Coach against opponents weaknesses. These guys coach like theyre reading our of a coaching handbook. This dudes are clueless. Failed experiment. Time to scrap it and start from scratch. I’ll wait 3 years for THE RIGHT GUYS. Im not waiting 3 years for these clowns.
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Reggie’s experience is picking players not coaches. Mark should have never agreed to let Reggie pick “his guy”.
It is safe to say that Reggie picked to worst possible HC out there, and subsequently the worst HC out there picked the worst possible assistance coaches out there.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:07 am
JDB post 668 is right on the money…
November 21st, 2012 at 8:07 am
Yeah. Knapp has something to work with. Tarver and DA are stuck with a lame duck defense… Knapp and the STs coach should go, no question.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:08 am
Exactly.. i do have patience… for smart ppl and good plans. Not for this stupid shìt and these fùcking retards
November 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am
Marks Hair Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:05 am
Im trying to give tits a chance.. but he hired all these bùttholes.. you have to factor in who he hires when grading his job.. right now F-…. theres no excuse for this
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Hes had plenty of chances all season and has shown nothing but:
A. That stupid blank stare with is arms folded.
B. That stupid move where hes scribbling something on his play sheet with his Sharpie.
C. That stupid smile and laugh session with John Fox after getting handed the worst defeat at the hands of the Broncos since before Al was with the Raiders.
At this point, it is going to require a complete 180 in DA’s coaching style for him to improve. I personally do not believe that 180 is coming. What youve seen from DA thus far is what you get.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am
We might as well be running the princton offense
November 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am
Funny how many people blamed all his bad decisions on Al’s age, when our GM was basically “Sold” to ownership by 3 guys who are in their 70’s.
Reggie WAS NOT the guy for this job and now we’re stuck with him and the giant mess he’s created…
November 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
Id make atl oline coach pat hill our sp teams coach next yr.. fresno st always had great sp teams while he was hc. And he has pleanty of nfl experiance. Hoffmans a pos
November 21st, 2012 at 8:20 am
Bye Curry!
Next up-SLOWLANDO MCLAZY!!!!!
Reggie is cleaning house and going to bring in some real football players in the next two years!
Hey Reggie….make sure to clean up your coaching staff too…..that Knapp guy was not qualified and you know it!
November 21st, 2012 at 8:23 am
VanHeathen30 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am
Funny how many people blamed all his bad decisions on Al’s age, when our GM was basically “Sold” to ownership by 3 guys who are in their 70’s.
Reggie WAS NOT the guy for this job and now we’re stuck with him and the giant mess he’s created…
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How can you say he has created a mess? Have you watched this team the last 10 years? The mess was already here. Reggie McKenzie did not take over a 12-4 team.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:24 am
I know a lot of Raiders fans have a beef with Al, and thats fine, to each his own. But I have always and will always have a personal respect for Al for helping to build the team that we all love today. Was he perfect, hell no. Did he make a lot of mistakes, hell yeah he did. But I do believe that just before he died, he was close to getting things back to within his vision, and I do believe that he had finally found the right coach to carry on that vision. The Raiders truly were building a bully, athletes on offense that were to imposing to be kept up with by your basic modern day DB. Mismatches all over the field. Unfortunately, Reggie is no Al Davis. And this staff that he hired does not have the vision that Al and Hue had. The Raiders were set to be on the brink of what offenses are going to look like in the future of the NFL. Too bad we will have to see another team do it first.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:30 am
679.VanHeathen30 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am
Funny how many people blamed all his bad decisions on Al’s age, when our GM was basically “Sold” to ownership by 3 guys who are in their 70’s.
Reggie WAS NOT the guy for this job and now we’re stuck with him and the giant mess he’s created…
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I don’t think you can judge a GM by one offseason where he had no draft picks and very limited cap space and had to spend the majority of time cutting loose Al’s out of whack contracts.
The water needs to clear of Al’s poison before Reggie can be judged.
I didn’t like the Knapp hire, but he let DA make that call….next time Reggie will know to put a little more pressure on his HC when he seen an obvious mistake being made in a coaching selection. Reggie is just learning this job too.
Now if Knapp isn’t gone this offseason, and probably the ST coach too…..then Reggie needs to get his head out of his azz.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:41 am
679.VanHeathen30 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am
Funny how many people blamed all his bad decisions on Al’s age, when our GM was basically “Sold” to ownership by 3 guys who are in their 70’s.
Reggie WAS NOT the guy for this job and now we’re stuck with him and the giant mess he’s created…
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This is so typical of today’s youth. I want it and I want it now.
Some things take time, my God man.
SMH.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:47 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:04 am
Taking about safeties, I have never seen a safety get run over as much as Gio. I love the guy i pass coverage, but he isn’t built for tackling 230 pound rbs… Gio doesn’t have a number on his back, he has tire marks.
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He also bites as hard on play action as you’ll ever see anybody do.
He tries hard, he really does, but outside of great speed and good hands, the guy is useless.
He’s just not an NFL quality safety, not at all.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Dakota,
What about Tarver, OL coach, and DL coach?
November 21st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Good morning Nation & Green Party.
Long Live The ODB.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Question: if we finish with double digit losses, is DA’s job safe?
November 21st, 2012 at 8:51 am
I rather draft a DE or CB over LB in the 1st round.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:51 am
687.Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
Dakota,
What about Tarver, OL coach, and DL coach?
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FK IT FIRE ‘EM ALLLLLLLL
November 21st, 2012 at 8:52 am
good morning Mr V.P. !!
hows things with you on this fine morning ??
November 21st, 2012 at 8:53 am
The Big Banana Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Question: if we finish with double digit losses, is DA’s job safe?
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Yes. It’s too early to judge him, and he made mistakes hiring his staff.
He gets next year to show improvement, or he will not return in 2014.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:53 am
We had good coaches at oline dline sp teams oc… now we have shìt
November 21st, 2012 at 8:55 am
Knapp eats poo in the morning
November 21st, 2012 at 8:56 am
Reggie needs to go hard after Andre Johnson this offseason. Still a beast.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:56 am
ODB,
Finishing a few things so I can start my morning session in about 25 mins (I’m sure it will be 4:20 somewhere).
Join me my brother.
Puff puff pass and repeat.
Vote Green in 2016.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:56 am
Still panicking on the Lakers Dakota?
November 21st, 2012 at 8:57 am
Last year we had a fairly favorable schedule and went 8-8. This years schedule is tough as a Golden Corral steak and everyone is shocked at our record? We’re not as talented as we think we are.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:58 am
I am torn on the issue of firing this entire coaching staff.
On one hand, I don’t think we got better in any phase of the game with this crew, so I want them all fired because I have little faith in them going forward.
On the other hand, that is what Al would have done, thereby perpetuating the aura of dysfunctionality making it even more difficult to hire quality coaches in the future.
It seems like a catch-22…..if we keep these guys we will show the coaching world that they will at least get a fair shake, which will make it easier to get decent coaches, but if this staff keeps losing, then what quality coaches will want to touch that steaming pile of crap?
SMH….what a mess.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am
698.Marks hair Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:56 am
Still panicking on the Lakers Dakota?
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I will think the choice of DiAntoni over Phil was a mistake until I see them get #17 with DiAntoni as HC….until then I will just sit back and watch the regular season circus that is a DiAntoni offense and then hope for the best come playoff time.
I certainly have more hope now than I did when Mike Mouth Breather Brown was HC.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:02 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:58 am
It seems like a catch-22…..if we keep these guys we will show the coaching world that they will at least get a fair shake, which will make it easier to get decent coaches, but if this staff keeps losing, then what quality coaches will want to touch that steaming pile of crap?
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No Catch-22 at all. If we keep DA, he’ll either become a good HC or he won’t. If he does, GREAT! If not, Reggie can at least point to him during the next coaching interviews and say “We gave Allen complete control of his staff and several complete seasons to turn it around, so YOU KNOW we’ll do the same with you.”
November 21st, 2012 at 9:03 am
The Big Banana Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Question: if we finish with double digit losses, is DA’s job safe?
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I dont think it should be. The only way I would be for DA returning is if he actually showed us something and miraculously got this team to 8-8, which I do not see happening at this point. Honestly, I would argue that DA may very well be the worst Head Coach currently employed in the NFL. At least one of the top 3 worst coaches in the NFL today.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:04 am
Yes, a pass rushing DE is a must as is CB…..as is LB and RT…..and S…..and WR……and…oh hell….we are doomed for a few more years.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:05 am
The Thunder don’t look like the same team with no Harden. The Spurs are a year older. The road to the finals will be easier this year for the Lakers. The toughest test just might be the Clippers. The Clippers have no one to stop Howard.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:05 am
So if we keep DA, what then with the subordinates? Fire them? If so, can we trust DA to make good choices? He’s shown he can’t hire a good supporting coaching staff to save his life. Across the board fail.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:06 am
I hope so Duck.
Oh, and are you wearing a ND shirt this weekend as the Irish go to play USC?
Or are you still holding out hope for the Ducks?
November 21st, 2012 at 9:06 am
fire the entire staff…
November 21st, 2012 at 9:07 am
You should have plenty of hope.. Dantoni is a great coach.. phils the best but it takes a yr to learn the triangle.. and we have several players that dont fit it.. but this offense is simple and perfect for star players. And defense is all about the individual effort. We have great defenders.. brown was killing us. This is a hughe upgrade
November 21st, 2012 at 9:08 am
“you know well do the same for you..” why to repeat the losing?
November 21st, 2012 at 9:09 am
The Big Banana Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:05 am
So if we keep DA, what then with the subordinates? Fire them? If so, can we trust DA to make good choices? He’s shown he can’t hire a good supporting coaching staff to save his life. Across the board fail.
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DA is no doubt feeling each loss, no matter what attitude he might take publicly. No doubt some major assistant heads will roll this offseason, hopefully starting with those nimrods Frank Pollack and Steve Hoffman.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:10 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:06 am
I hope so Duck.
Oh, and are you wearing a ND shirt this weekend as the Irish go to play USC?
Or are you still holding out hope for the Ducks?
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I only root for one college team, and they’re in Eugene.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:10 am
DA should come back next season, but all the assistants except for Al Saunders need to be canned.
This time Reggie needs to hire the best available OC, ST, DC & O-line coaches available.
Needs to find 3 new starters on O-line, a new # 1 receiver, 3 new starters on DL, 2 new starting CB, one new FS, a new MLB and a viable punt returner.
If DA still tanks next season with all these changes, then its overhead projector time midseason.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:11 am
I’m tending to agree with you, JDB. I’m not impressed with DA. Let’s see how he finishes. If its more of the same, I just don’t see how things get better without canning him.
I sure as heck am not renewing my season tix without one of the following:
1) Team finishes strong
2) Replace this coaching staff
I think a lot of fans are in my boat.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:12 am
I hear ya, Banana! I will renew, but I will sell off 4 of the reg season ticks. Doing that just to save my seats!
November 21st, 2012 at 9:13 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:08 am
“you know well do the same for you..” why to repeat the losing?
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No head coaching candidate worth his salt is going to accept a rebuilding job if he thinks he’ll get canned after one year. It’s been over a decade since an Oakland head coach had even three seasons before being canned, and we’ve become known as the place that never gives its head coaches a shot. We HAVE to break that pattern.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I don’t understand the logic behind keeping DA to impress other coaches with our stability.
We have stability, we keep losers for a few years, so come work for us.
You People are crazy.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
Boss01 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:10 am
DA should come back next season, but all the assistants except for Al Saunders need to be canned.
This time Reggie needs to hire the best available OC, ST, DC & O-line coaches available.
Needs to find 3 new starters on O-line, a new # 1 receiver, 3 new starters on DL, 2 new starting CB, one new FS, a new MLB and a viable punt returner.
If DA still tanks next season with all these changes, then its overhead projector time midseason.
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At least give DA all of next season. I’d also keep some more assistants, namely Flip, Skipper, Gilmore and (maybe) Holland.
As for the players: We need a C and a RT for next year (assuming Wiz moves back to LG and Bergs takes over at RG).
The d-line is a mess. Keep Houston, Shaughnessy (while accepting he’ll never be more than decent), Bryant and Bilukidi. Dump everyone else.
In the secondary, we can keep Huff and Branch. Spencer and Bartell can return on one-year deals as nickel corners.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:19 am
There are only a few HC positions available every year, teams have the leverage and not coaches.
You want stability, go home!
You want to win and turn this around, welcome!
November 21st, 2012 at 9:20 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I don’t understand the logic behind keeping DA to impress other coaches with our stability.
We have stability, we keep losers for a few years, so come work for us.
You People are crazy.
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As opposed to what? “We were 5-11 (or whatever) last year. Come coach for us! Remember that we expect playoffs your first year, or you’re canned!” WHO ON EARTH with options would take that over a stable organization? We need stability first, then everything can follow from that.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:23 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:19 am
There are only a few HC positions available every year, teams have the leverage and not coaches.
You want stability, go home!
You want to win and turn this around, welcome!
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GOOD coaches have the leverage. Why do you think Jeff Fisher was able to hang out for a year or two, unemployed? Because he had options. The good ones do. That’s why Sean Payton turned us down once upon a time; he knew he’d have options. Bottom line is that unless you want to hire unqualified candidates, you need an organization they’ll be comfortable with, which means NOT firing people constantly. Al did that. Jerry Jones did that. Neither was able to get a good, proven coach (except for Parcells with the Cowboys).
November 21st, 2012 at 9:23 am
RaiderDuck Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:20 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:18 am
I don’t understand the logic behind keeping DA to impress other coaches with our stability.
We have stability, we keep losers for a few years, so come work for us.
You People are crazy.
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As opposed to what? “We were 5-11 (or whatever) last year. Come coach for us! Remember that we expect playoffs your first year, or you’re canned!” WHO ON EARTH with options would take that over a stable organization? We need stability first, then everything can follow from that.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
There are only a few HC positions available every year, teams have the leverage and not coaches.
You want stability, go home!
You want to win and turn this around, welcome!
Would you keep an employee who is not performing to show the rest of the employees you have stability?
November 21st, 2012 at 9:25 am
719.Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:19 am
There are only a few HC positions available every year, teams have the leverage and not coaches.
You want stability, go home!
You want to win and turn this around, welcome!
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Come on now, this is just ignoring reality. We already lost Sean Payton due to the dysfunction of this team…..along with many other coaches who wouldn’t even pick up the phone when the Raiders called.
That has to change. Quality coaches will wait for the right situation….desperate coaches that have flaws will jump at a chance to coach teams like the Raiders.
I am ready for a quality coaching staff to be put into place.
Hell, the reason we have you man Knapp is because we couldn’t get a decent OC to return Reggie and DA’s calls! You are a mad man!
November 21st, 2012 at 9:25 am
I cant believe so many Raider fans want DA fired already… It take a head coach at least 2-3 seasons to implement their vision. And during this time, many great coaches have had worse records or no improvement their first season then the coach they took over for. Examples:
49ers
1978 – 2-14
Hire Bill Walsh
1979 – 2-14
Cowboys
1988 – 3-13
Hire Jimmy Johnson
1989 – 1-15
Patriots
1999 – 8-8
Hire Bill Belichick
2000 – 5-11
Have there been coaches that immediately had a better record their first season? Yeah, but tell me how many of them had the lack of talent, draft picks, and cap room to work with like the Raiders do. The point is, if any of you thought the Raiders were gonna be much improved from last years Raiders, you were only fooling yourselves. Was I optimistic? Yes I was, but I was also realistic. I was hopeful we would be another 8-8 and thought is was possible to maybe be 9-7. Sure I don’t like the way this season turned out, but if you fire DA now, you are only making this transition take longer then it needs too. You have to give him at the very least one more year, before you can truly judge how good of a coach he is IMO.
cwolfman
November 21st, 2012 at 9:27 am
Dude,
This is a business!
You perform, you can stay.
You don’t perform, GTFO!
Stability is overrated!
Performance creates stability.
Keeping losers creates a losing culture.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:28 am
Duck – I understand what you’re saying but I think the problem was less about stability and more about control of assistants and scheme/philosophy. Reggie has demonstrated he will allow coaches control of that end.
Raider O has a point about very few head coaching opportunities. If a coach is concerned he won’t get 3 years to show improvement (that’s all wer’re asking for, not Super Bowl), then maybe that’s not the guy we want coaching this team anyway.
Like I said, unless we start showing improvement, I want this staff canned!
November 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:25 am
Come on now, this is just ignoring reality. We already lost Sean Payton due to the dysfunction of this team…..along with many other coaches who wouldn’t even pick up the phone when the Raiders called.
That has to change. Quality coaches will wait for the right situation….desperate coaches that have flaws will jump at a chance to coach teams like the Raiders.
I am ready for a quality coaching staff to be put into place.
Hell, the reason we have you man Knapp is because we couldn’t get a decent OC to return Reggie and DA’s calls!
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Exactly. We have to create an environment that people WANT to work in, not just some place that will provide a paycheck until they find something better. Step 1 is providing stability and accountability, both of which Reggie is implementing. But it will take time.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:31 am
We lost S Peyton?
You people are funny.
Jim Harbaugh was a Raiders coach (Gruden too), and a lot of the guys you people like worked for Al at some point of their career.
Spare me the BS about not getting quality coaches. Established coaches didn’t want to work for AL because he was a control freak and not because of stability.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:32 am
The Big Banana Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:28 am
Duck – I understand what you’re saying but I think the problem was less about stability and more about control of assistants and scheme/philosophy. Reggie has demonstrated he will allow coaches control of that end.
$$$$$$$$$$
Thank you!
Exactly.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:34 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:31 am
We lost S Peyton?
You people are funny.
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No, it’s the truth. Sean Payton verbally agreed to come here in 2004 (IIRC), but backed out after his agent received the contract (where it specified that Al would run and micromanage everything). We hired Norv instead. Something very similar happened with Steve Sarkisian three years later (when Al settled for Kiffin instead).
November 21st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Sean Payton interviewed here and some thought he was the next HC. He turned it down, stayed one more year in Dallas (and I believe that was Jerry Jones who talked him out of coming to Oakland), the next year, boom, HC of NO!
November 21st, 2012 at 9:37 am
I thought Jerry paid him a lot of money to stay as OC, but who cares? That’s not the point.
The point is this is a business and you can’t afford to keep a bad coach just to prove to the league you have stability.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:38 am
Exactly. We have to create an environment that people WANT to work in, not just some place that will provide a paycheck until they find something better. Step 1 is providing stability and accountability, both of which Reggie is implementing. But it will take time.”
People listen to the voice of reason here….it makes sense.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
You got a point O!
November 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
There is no way Reggie fires Dennis Allen NO WAY…..unless he does something real stupid like commits a felonious act…shoots someone with a gun gets busted for having a meth lab or goat porn I don’t know but you get my point.
Not saying I agree or disagree it is a fact.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:46 am
Yeah, I don’t see it either…but we should get better assisants! But…
November 21st, 2012 at 9:48 am
What message will that send to the players on the roster?
We are more interested in creating a stable environment more than winning.
Stop it!
November 21st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Until proven otherwise, the Oakland Raiders will be considered dysfunction Junction and we will not be able to hire quality coaches. It is why we have seen the likes of Tom Cable, Art Shell, Lane Kiffin (his buddy turned us down) Chucky B., Greg Knapp, etc through here in the past decade.
Coaches have a difficult life, and when they see a franchise constantly churning through coaches, it makes it difficult to decide that you will uproot your family to go work for an organization that will likely kick you to the curb in 1.2 seasons!
Quality guys will look for an opportunity with a stable franchise where they will get a fair shake…..especially for the HC position.
There will always be guys who know that they are not going to get a shot where they currently are, because that team doesn’t have faith in them, who will then jump at the opportunity….but we have seen enough of those guys through here over the years.
A couple of heads should roll this offseason (Knapp for sure) but I think Reggie would best be served by giving DA and Tarver another shot with some new talent.
It took Al 2.5 decades to destroy his team…..Reggie should get a couple of years to fix it, and keeping DA for next year is probably the right move.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
Hwnrdr,
How are you going to justify keeping a bad coach for stability to the Fans (paying $3500 for 8 ganes), young players who are eager to win, and Vers who could be playing their last season on the NFL.
You can’t! Just like you can’t do keep a bad employee because it sends the wrong message to the rest of the employers and the paying customers.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
There is no way Reggie fires Dennis Allen NO WAY…..unless he does something real stupid like commits a felonious act
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Punches an assistant in a meeting?
November 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
“What message will that send to the players on the roster?”
That we have patience and are growing something special that will require hard work and accountability and will take time.
DA will get a fair chance next year to show what he can do with 20 or more new faces on this team it is after his second season his job will be evaluated not after this season.
Again weather you or I agree with this methodology or not seems to be the way its going down.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
Hwnrdr,
How are you going to justify keeping a bad coach for stability to the Fans (paying $3500 for 8 ganes), young players who are eager to win, and Vers who could be playing their last season on the NFL.
You can’t! Just like you can’t do keep a bad employee because it sends the wrong message to the rest of the employers and the paying customers.
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I agree. In fact, Jerry Jones should’ve fired Jimmy Johnson after that 1-15 season because he was clearly an awful coach.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Raiders 33 – Bengals 27
Print it.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Give Tarver a Chance?
That’s it!
His defense allowed 135 points in 3 games and 30+ points per game.
Our defense got worse this year! Read that again. Can you believe it?
November 21st, 2012 at 9:58 am
Excuse my spelling. I blame my not so smart phone.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
Hard to ask DA to turn this piece of garbage into a top 5 defense, no matter what Huffy thinks he thinks…
Knapp, cant run the ball, simple as that, not even on those 3 and 20s, dude is just a telepathic play caller.
Cut Knapp and the inbred running Special Teams.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
You People are mad!
Comparing DA to Tomlin and JJ? Really?
November 21st, 2012 at 10:01 am
744.Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Give Tarver a Chance?
That’s it!
His defense allowed 135 points in 3 games and 30+ points per game.
Our defense got worse this year! Read that again. Can you believe it?
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Yes, the defense is worse than last year, but he is also playing with scrubs like McClain, Branch, Seymour, Kelly and whatever POS DE they throw out this week…..not to mention scrap heap CBs.
I don’t think Belicheat could get this bunch going on D. It is a hot pile. You have said as much yourself.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:02 am
731.hwnrdr Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Sean Payton interviewed here and some thought he was the next HC. He turned it down, stayed one more year in Dallas (and I believe that was Jerry Jones who talked him out of coming to Oakland), the next year, boom, HC of NO!
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Actually he did interview and probably someone else knows better, but here is a piece I found doing a google search:
Another story: When Payton was an assistant coach for the Dallas Cowboys, he flew to California to interview for the head coaching job with the Oakland Raiders.
Owner Al Davis did the interviewing and wore his traditional black sweatsuit.
“Al is an extremely talented football guy. Few owners who interview can really talk about a defensive front, team travel and the salary cap,” Payton said. “He can hit on all these topics, and this was my first interview as head coach. It was 2003, and I was going to meet Al Davis.”
Payton, who had been in the NFL only about five years, said he was really nervous.
“I walked into the bathroom, and I took three deep breaths,” Payton said. “I said: ‘I belong here. I belong here. I belong here.’”
The interview was heading late into the evening, and both were hungry.
“You like cheeseburgers?” Davis said.
“Of course I do,” Payton said.
Davis then asked his assistant to run to McDonald’s to get some cheeseburgers and — get this — coleslaw.
“The assistant says, ‘Mr. Davis, McDonald’s doesn’t have cole slaw,” Payton remembers. “But Al wanted his cole slaw, so the assistant had to figure out what to do.”
A little while later, the assistant returns with the food.
“So we’re sitting there — mind you, it’s about 11 p.m. — eating McDonald’s cheeseburgers and cole slaw from KFC,” Payton said. “You know what a cold cheeseburger tastes like?”
Payton turned the job down, eventually becoming head coach of the Saints in 2006, defending Super Bowl champs and now an author.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:04 am
DA, in my opinion, is not the main problem! I say he gets another year! when DA was hired, he or Reggie, which ever side you believe, was strapped for assistants because they were already falling off the board! However, Knapp was strike one! For a long time, if you all remember, we ahd nothing but check cashers here…one’s that will come here for an early retirement! Hard to get rid of all of that in one year!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:04 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
You People are mad!
Comparing DA to Tomlin and JJ? Really?
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My point in bringing up Jimmy Johnson is that they went 1-15 in his first season. 7-9 in the second. 9-7 or 10-6 (can’t remember which) in the third and hit paydirt in the 4th and 5th.
The attitude of many, many on here is that they would’ve fired JJ after that first season because the team was so bad.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:04 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Raiders 33 – Bengals 27
Print it.
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Lol. Gotta love this optimism after 3 straight abysmal performances.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:05 am
I can compare too.
Norv was 5-11, and what did he do in his 2nd season? 4-12!!
I’m glad the Dischargers hired him.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:05 am
So Al offered MCDs Cheeseburger and KFC colesaw. Jerry Jones brought out the champagne, the cheerleaders, and killed a cow just to give ol Sean some fresh Ribeye… man, Texas.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:05 am
How in hell did the Niners get Harbaugh if stability mattered. 8 straight years out of the playoffs and in the throws of a 6-10 season?
What mattered to Harbaugh is $$$ and some control…….that is all that mattered to Jeff Fisher as well. Some of you are smoking your dirty drawers. Get a clue………The Rams have been aweful for years at least 10 and you call that stability? lol
November 21st, 2012 at 10:06 am
RaiderO,
How can you sit there and praise Pryor when he is the main reason your undefeated Ohio State team isn’t poised to play ND for the National Championship? (yes, we both know ND would kick the crap out of them, but still, you would have gone to the big dance!)
A real Ohio State fan would demand that Pryor be cut from the Raiders’ roster and be sent to KC!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:05 am
I can compare too.
Norv was 5-11, and what did he do in his 2nd season? 4-12!!
I’m glad the Dischargers hired him.
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If JJ had gone 4-12 in his second season he probably would’ve been gone too.
If Allen goes 4-12 in 2013, I’ll be right on the “fire DA” bandwagon.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:07 am
I am all for patience, but it has to be the right guy. For everyone here saying that DA should get one more year, could you please explain what it is that DA has exhibited that makes you feel that he is deserving of another season? And I mean what has DA shown you. If you think he deserves another chance because of “circumstances”, and not necessarily due to anything that he has shown in terms of coaching acumen, thats all fine. Me personally, I feel you have to show and prove. And I have seen nothing, absolutely nothing from DA that makes me want to give him another season. So I am genuinely asking, what is it that others are seeing that I am not seeing that warrants giving DA another season.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:07 am
Harbaugh got a huge contract $25 mill that is what stability is.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Man, Reggie Should have gone out and hired an experienced HC like Cowher or Marty. this way he would have had some stability while learning on the job. Now Reggie is learning while DA is learning while the DC is learning…crazy strategy.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Gruden goes 8-8 his first season.
Raiders are 7-8 heading into the season finale in Kansas City. Al was going to fire him if they lost. They won and he stayed and we know what happened the next 2 seasons.
What if he’d fired him over that one game?
Head coaches should get a minimum of 2 years and in some cases 3.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am
Now granted, DA looks to go much worse than 8-8 his first season. But the point is that Gruden showed no improvement his second season. But that third? Hit the big time. Al stuck with him and it paid off.
Stick with DA for at least another year is the main point here.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am
Head coaches should get a minimum of 2 years and in some cases 3.
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Except Art Shell & the Bed & Breakfast show, they should have gotten 4 or 5….games.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:12 am
758.John David Booty Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:07 am
I am all for patience, but it has to be the right guy. For everyone here saying that DA should get one more year, could you please explain what it is that DA has exhibited that makes you feel that he is deserving of another season? And I mean what has DA shown you. If you think he deserves another chance because of “circumstances”, and not necessarily due to anything that he has shown in terms of coaching acumen, thats all fine. Me personally, I feel you have to show and prove. And I have seen nothing, absolutely nothing from DA that makes me want to give him another season. So I am genuinely asking, what is it that others are seeing that I am not seeing that warrants giving DA another season.
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Most of these folks wouldn’t know if yo told them. The bottom line is DA had failed miserably, if he doesn’t show something before the year is out I could see him getting canned if he doesn’t can half his staff. But yeah the only reason I would consider him staying is if he gets a better staff if he refuses I’d fire him on the spot………….period
November 21st, 2012 at 10:12 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Gruden goes 8-8 his first season.
Raiders are 7-8 heading into the season finale in Kansas City. Al was going to fire him if they lost. They won and he stayed and we know what happened the next 2 seasons.
What if he’d fired him over that one game?
Head coaches should get a minimum of 2 years and in some cases 3.
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I agree, head coaches should be given 2 to 3 years IF and ONLY IF they show something in that first year that proves that they are worth a damn.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:12 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am
Head coaches should get a minimum of 2 years and in some cases 3.
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Except Art Shell & the Bed & Breakfast show, they should have gotten 4 or 5….games.
LOL, what you talking about? 2 games!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:13 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am
Head coaches should get a minimum of 2 years and in some cases 3.
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Except Art Shell & the Bed & Breakfast show, they should have gotten 4 or 5….games.
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That was bad on a level few had seen before. There are exceptions to everything.
Tarver should go if the defense doesn’t improve. It’s looking to be the defensive version of the B&B.
DA looks to have made a big mistake in hiring his assistants. What I want him to do if there’s no upswing the second half of the year here is admit it and learn from it and hire better ones.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
Good freaking grief!! You kats are all hung up on this “stability” nirvana.
You are missing the point of contention by a mile.
AD, gawd bless him, was a meddler, right or wrong, but that is how he rolled. Any self respecting coach that understood AD was going to micro-manage the roster/game plan did not want anything to do with that bargain.
Sure a few coaches gave it a go, but history proves sooner or later they would attempt to break out of the yoke and do things “their” way, and subsequently get fired.
AD brooked no decent.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
hwnrdr Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:12 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:11 am
Head coaches should get a minimum of 2 years and in some cases 3.
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Except Art Shell & the Bed & Breakfast show, they should have gotten 4 or 5….games.
LOL, what you talking about? 2 games!
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I knew we were in big big trouble after that first Monday night game.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:15 am
You can get fire Knapp at noon and by 12:15 have another coach to coach that same system successfully. Because It’s not the system as much as it is gameplanning and playcalling. Knowing how to use the talent at your disposal and when along with that.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:16 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:04 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:00 am
You People are mad!
Comparing DA to Tomlin and JJ? Really?
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My point in bringing up Jimmy Johnson is that they went 1-15 in his first season. 7-9 in the second. 9-7 or 10-6 (can’t remember which) in the third and hit paydirt in the 4th and 5th.
The attitude of many, many on here is that they would’ve fired JJ after that first season because the team was so bad.
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So can DA sucker the Vikings into giving us 5 players and 6 draft picks for DMAC?
November 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:15 am
You can get fire Knapp at noon and by 12:15 have another coach to coach that same system successfully….
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Agreed. Give Al Saunders the playbook, he’ll get this thing rolling by 12:30.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
JDB,
Bill Belichick’s first season in New England was 5-11.
Jimmy Johnson’s first season in Dallas was 1-15.
Bill Parcells first season in New York was 3-12-1
What did they show in ANY of those seasons to justify a 2nd? And these are legendary guys. No one’s expecting DA to be a Hall of Famer. He just deserves a fair chance. 10 games is NOT a fair chance.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:20 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:15 am
You can get fire Knapp at noon and by 12:15 have another coach to coach that same system successfully. Because It’s not the system as much as it is gameplanning and playcalling. Knowing how to use the talent at your disposal and when along with that.
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Co-sign.
All coaches are not created equal. Sure, every coach has a system theyd like to implement. It doesnt mean you should suck if you dont have the players for your system. You work with what you have. Its called COACHING. With what theyve shown so far, Im not even convinced that this staff would be able to get things right even IF they had all the players that “fit the system”.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:24 am
Macho Camacho got shot in the face? shame… by the way who you like: Manny or my man Marquez?
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Manny by decision once again, Marquez is a bad match up for Manny, but he is almost 40 now.
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It´s the last chance for Márquez to prove the judges were wrong the first 3 fights.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:07 am
Harbaugh got a huge contract $25 mill that is what stability is.
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Exactly!
You want good coaches? Pay them!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
MEX_GHOST Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:24 am
Macho Camacho got shot in the face? shame… by the way who you like: Manny or my man Marquez?
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Manny by decision once again, Marquez is a bad match up for Manny, but he is almost 40 now.
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It´s the last chance for Márquez to prove the judges were wrong the first 3 fights.
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I dont think the judges will give another one to Manny, its Marquez fight to loose, Manny will look for the KO.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Those coaches didn’t take a 8-8 team and make it wreak like this staff has. The Cowboys were no where near a playoff team when JJ took over and plus they were stuck in the past with a bunch of OLD players…….Don’t even mention the Jets. The Pat’s were swirling as well. You have to judge the coach based on what he inherited to just mention their records without looking a the team they went to is irresponsible.
Mr Davis to a 1 win team and won 10 games the next year. Look at what Harbaugh has done because he had something to work with. So did DA this team has regressed by all accts. You cannot deny that…….if we had gone 2-14 last year NO ONE would be complaining……so stop the HC first year crap.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:27 am
The dischargers have stability, and how is that working for them and their fans?
November 21st, 2012 at 10:28 am
773.SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
JDB,
Bill Belichick’s first season in New England was 5-11.
Jimmy Johnson’s first season in Dallas was 1-15.
Bill Parcells first season in New York was 3-12-1
What did they show in ANY of those seasons to justify a 2nd? And these are legendary guys. No one’s expecting DA to be a Hall of Famer. He just deserves a fair chance. 10 games is NOT a fair chance.
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Doesn´t matters what Mark Davis is telling to the media, we all know Reggie and Dennis Allen hace a pass for this season. 100% sure!!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:28 am
I don’t know, maybe now that the Al factor is gone, coaches will be more inclined to come here even if Reggie fires his staff after less than 1 calendar year? I doubt it.
No one was jumping at the chance last year and the Al factor was gone then too….so what changed in the last year that make you believe Reggie would have better candidates than he did 10 months ago?
That team was coming off an 8-8 season, Al was gone, Palmer was here….and he still got snubbed by coaches and had to go with a list that included Marty Mornhingwig, Buddy Ryan’s punching bag, Dom Capers….and Winston Moss.
I just do not see the point of firing one young coach in order to hire one of the proven loser HCs who are desperate enough to take the job.
Roll with DA for one more season and see what happens.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
If the new owner and GM had Stability at their #1 priority, they would have kept Hue abd his staff, abd allowed him to hire a new DC.
That’s stability!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
was quack really saying that we need to keep losing coaches so that we can attract other coaches? wth? the man is delusional…
November 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
777.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
MEX_GHOST Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:24 am
Macho Camacho got shot in the face? shame… by the way who you like: Manny or my man Marquez?
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Manny by decision once again, Marquez is a bad match up for Manny, but he is almost 40 now.
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It´s the last chance for Márquez to prove the judges were wrong the first 3 fights.
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I dont think the judges will give another one to Manny, its Marquez fight to loose, Manny will look for the KO.
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Márquez must to look the KO too, he shouldn´t let the judges make their work.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
#778 – Took the words right out of my mouth. Less typing for me. Thanks.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
JDB,
Bill Belichick’s first season in New England was 5-11.
Jimmy Johnson’s first season in Dallas was 1-15.
Bill Parcells first season in New York was 3-12-1
What did they show in ANY of those seasons to justify a 2nd? And these are legendary guys. No one’s expecting DA to be a Hall of Famer. He just deserves a fair chance. 10 games is NOT a fair chance.
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I have posted my thoughts on this a few days ago, cause I am a fan of Belichick as a coach. Yes, they went 5-11 his first season, but go back and look at those games. They were competitive every week, could have won a lot of the games they lost, and at least were showing signs of being an actual football team. Then, Super Bowl one season later. Has DA shown you anything this year to think he’ll have this team anywhere close to SB next year? Belichicks team showed they could at least compete every week. DA’s team is worse in every way from the previous season, and seems to regress weekly. Like Ive said before, Im all for patience, but it has to be the right guy. So my question to you is, what has DA shown you to make you feel that he has the ability to turn things around?
November 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
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Doesn´t matters what Mark Davis is telling to the media, we all know Reggie and Dennis Allen hace a pass for this season. 100% sure!!
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*have not hace
November 21st, 2012 at 10:31 am
782.Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
If the new owner and GM had Stability at their #1 priority, they would have kept Hue abd his staff, abd allowed him to hire a new DC.
That’s stability!
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Very good point and thank you for making it.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Al fired HC after about 1.2 years on average for the past decade…..how well did that turn out again?
November 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Btw, I already said DA should stay, but his staff has to go.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:34 am
fvck that da needs to take hus horse carriage back home that pvsy…
November 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
DJ Johnny Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:31 am
782.Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
If the new owner and GM had Stability at their #1 priority, they would have kept Hue abd his staff, abd allowed him to hire a new DC.
That’s stability!
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Very good point and thank you for making it.
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And*
Thank you.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
Lets keep things in perspective. Even if big mack and davis decide that D.A is not the answer, it isnt as though the raiders are the only team that has pulled the one and done with a head coach.
Jim mora jr. bobby petrino, eric mangini, pete carrol, rich kotite and so on.
Some times you simply picked the wrong guy. he looked the part and sold himself in the interview but he is not good at the job.
Big mack will not sit by and let his hard earned promotion be ruined by a coach that is in over his head. besides big mack also allowed him to put together his own staff, so i sure davis jr has questioned big mack on this issue seeing how poorly knapp and tarver have performed.
Big mack will need to make a move and im sure he is already working the phones, in the event that allen continues to flounder down the stretch
November 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
There are 100unsuccessful 1st year coaches for every successful coach who had bad 1st years. Why don’t you bring them up. You jump to a few coaches who started off slow and biult right. But who to say DA is one of those few……….some of you use some of the most specious logic for examples I’ve ever seen. As if DA is gauranteed to be great, well he isn’t and all we have to go on is what HE HAS DONE to date.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Everybody is talking about what DA and Reggie inherited with an 8-8 team.
I haven’t done it myself but I remember thinking last year that our team was not that great despite us being “in the hunt” late.
Off the top of my head, the best win would be the Texans who were without Andre Johnson and Mario Williams left at the beginning of the game. Nail biters with a bunch of OK teams. Bears at home without Cutler.
I think the worst team we’ve lost to this year might be the Chargers. And to top it off we can STILL lose ANOTHER game this season to match this great 8-8 record despite Reggie doing the smart thing and cutting ugly contracts in the offseason.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:40 am
790.Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Btw, I already said DA should stay, but his staff has to go.
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Knapp and ST coach must go, but Tarver could work with Dennis to fix de Def. and hire a very capable OC, that allow Dennis not to invest too much time with the Off.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:42 am
789.Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Al fired HC after about 1.2 years on average for the past decade…..how well did that turn out again?
=========================================== Doesnt really matter what Al did in the past.Al is gone now,but that in no way means DA should stay.He hired the staff,mistake.He changed the offensive system,mistake.We cant compete with anybody right now and that also falls on him.Although Reggie bottom lip as the general manager allowed these thngs to happen.Its his job to oversee these decisions and make sure that a ROOKIE HC is not regressing this team.There is no doubt in my mind a experienced HC like a Gruden or Cowher could turn this thing around.Salary cap my as$!Reggie should have been busy makeing better roster moves.Reggie is a joke.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:42 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
There are 100unsuccessful 1st year coaches for every successful coach who had bad 1st years. Why don’t you bring them up. You jump to a few coaches who started off slow and biult right. But who to say DA is one of those few……….some of you use some of the most specious logic for examples I’ve ever seen. As if DA is gauranteed to be great, well he isn’t and all we have to go on is what HE HAS DONE to date.
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This is pretty much the same way I see it. Im not saying Im God when it comes to evaluating coaches, but I just dont see any reason whatsoever why DA deserves another chance. Best scenario, Im wrong and he ends up being a genius coach who gets us to multiple SB’s, starting next season. But realistically, no, I dont see that happening at all.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Again…..what has changed over the past 10 months that makes you think some good coach is going to jump at the opportunity to coach the Oakland Raiders?
If DA is fired, we will end up with someone like Buddy Ryan’s punching bag and then all of you will be asking for him to be fired next fall.
smh
Give DA a fair shake for 2 years….convince him to fire Knapp and the ST coach and see what happens next year.
A lot of people came forward for DA and said he has what it takes to win…..well, he should be given a fair shot, but he has to let Knapp go….and Reggie needs to bring some decent player in for him too.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:43 am
espn reported by accident that gruden was leaving the booth…..go get him mark
November 21st, 2012 at 10:43 am
786.John David Booty Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:17 am
JDB,
Bill Belichick’s first season in New England was 5-11.
Jimmy Johnson’s first season in Dallas was 1-15.
Bill Parcells first season in New York was 3-12-1
What did they show in ANY of those seasons to justify a 2nd? And these are legendary guys. No one’s expecting DA to be a Hall of Famer. He just deserves a fair chance. 10 games is NOT a fair chance.
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I have posted my thoughts on this a few days ago, cause I am a fan of Belichick as a coach. Yes, they went 5-11 his first season, but go back and look at those games. They were competitive every week, could have won a lot of the games they lost, and at least were showing signs of being an actual football team. Then, Super Bowl one season later. Has DA shown you anything this year to think he’ll have this team anywhere close to SB next year? Belichicks team showed they could at least compete every week. DA’s team is worse in every way from the previous season, and seems to regress weekly. Like Ive said before, Im all for patience, but it has to be the right guy. So my question to you is, what has DA shown you to make you feel that he has the ability to turn things around?
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THIS is where it’s at.
Let’s say that all the impatient people who want to win NOW go along with giving DA some time cuz he “inherited a mess” etc. etc. Let’s say we are all on board with that.
The problem then is what Mark Davis said…the regression.
It’s all well and good to wait as things slowly build and Reggie gets new players in etc. but this thing is plummeting at a record pace. THAT is the problem.
I looked at Belichiks 1st season too and you’re right… alot of close losses and competitive EVERY GAME.
Right now, we are so low in misery that it almost looks hopeless and it could keep on getting worse, which does not speak well of the current staff.
These are the same players who beat Pittsburgh and played SD and Atl. close.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:44 am
reggie is probably really good at making coffee…
November 21st, 2012 at 10:45 am
oakfoshow Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:42 am
789.Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Al fired HC after about 1.2 years on average for the past decade…..how well did that turn out again?
=========================================== Doesnt really matter what Al did in the past.Al is gone now,but that in no way means DA should stay.He hired the staff,mistake.He changed the offensive system,mistake.We cant compete with anybody right now and that also falls on him.Although Reggie bottom lip as the general manager allowed these thngs to happen.Its his job to oversee these decisions and make sure that a ROOKIE HC is not regressing this team.There is no doubt in my mind a experienced HC like a Gruden or Cowher could turn this thing around.Salary cap my as$!Reggie should have been busy makeing better roster moves.Reggie is a joke.
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This the only reason I MIGHT be willing to give him another year at all if this continues. But there is NO WAY I give him another year with this staff……..no freakin way!!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:46 am
Btw, I’m not a Hue fan, and I don’t think he is a good HC. I was making a point about stability.
Hue had time to get his nails done, but not enough time to eliminate penalties, score in the 2nd half, and fix the defense.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:47 am
DA does not whiff on tackles or throw picks or run the wrong passing route or hold or give up kick off returns for TD’s. Niner fans wanted to run Bill Walsh out of town on a rail during his first season as HC. DA beat a good steeler team and played a good game in the loss at atlanta while fielding a team with little depth or proven starters. He gets a pass for one more season. you people…
November 21st, 2012 at 10:47 am
Look at the over-reacting little babies, all planned SB parties after last year 8-8 against weak teams, can’t believe people can be so short sighted , I don’t think Hues couple of more points a game would have saved us the embarrassment from getting our asses handed against good teams ,remember last year when we met teams playing for playoffs or trying to play for their head coach,we lost ?? Det Loss, Mia Loss ,GB loss , KC barely won cuz Seymour blocked that fg in the end ,SD loss, what it’s telling is we were just lucky with the schedule ,and when teams really came to play we got crushed
November 21st, 2012 at 10:48 am
the stupid thing all the regressors cant understand, is that mark knows its regression, reggie thought he had the talent for a playoff run, even sa by his own admission was exoecting playoffs and he doesnt believe in rebuilding. but they must be deaf, blind and stupid.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:48 am
797.oakfoshow Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:42 am
789.Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Al fired HC after about 1.2 years on average for the past decade…..how well did that turn out again?
=========================================== Doesnt really matter what Al did in the past.Al is gone now,but that in no way means DA should stay.He hired the staff,mistake.He changed the offensive system,mistake.We cant compete with anybody right now and that also falls on him.Although Reggie bottom lip as the general manager allowed these thngs to happen.Its his job to oversee these decisions and make sure that a ROOKIE HC is not regressing this team.There is no doubt in my mind a experienced HC like a Gruden or Cowher could turn this thing around.Salary cap my as$!Reggie should have been busy makeing better roster moves.Reggie is a joke.
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I agree that a Gruden or a Cowher would have done a better job than DA….but that is exactly my point…..we have ZERO chance of hiring a proven guy like those guys if we continue to be dysfunction junction.
We need to be in the position to make the organization look appealing to a coach like that…..sure we can continue to hire and fire guys every 1.2 years, and hope we stumble across a decent coach once every decade, or we can let Reggie get this organization looking like it is now a 21st century organization that thinks things through rather than just one that constantly has knee jerk reactions…..and we might land a real HC for once.
Typical short term thinking from this blog. Reggie had trouble getting anyone decent to return his calls just ten months ago, but if we just fire DA, then I am sure quality coaches will break down his door asking for the job!!!!!
Lmao good luck with that.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:50 am
yeah da just coaches them to miss assignments…cant wait to see your hero cry…
November 21st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Losses are one thing,but being completely blown out and not competeing even with the bad teams is unacceptable.Even discussing keeping any of these losers is off the chain.Reggie included.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:47 am
Look at the over-reacting little babies, all planned SB parties after last year 8-8 against weak teams, can’t believe people can be so short sighted
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Pot? Meet kettle!
I remember someone, last year, posting the same dorky comment, hundreds of times, and only that comment.
CODE BLACK.
That was you, being short sighted until mathematically eliminated.
Don’t preach when you are, as well, the sinner.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
I haven’t seen such poor play in my life as what I’ve witnessed the past 3 weeks. As you mention THAT is why so many of us doubt very seriously whether DA is capable at all. These game are over in the second qrtr. In the second half we’re in full-on comeback mode with little hope of coming back. Who in their right mind would cosign that?
This is crazy talk to mention a few great coaches and their early records as some kind of solace……get a clue!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
Al fired HC after about 1.2 years on average for the past decade…..how well did that turn out again?
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Valid point, but as a Raiders fan, which, if any of those guys do you actually wish were still here?
November 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Again…..what has changed over the past 10 months that makes you think some good coach is going to jump at the opportunity to coach the Oakland Raiders?
If DA is fired, we will end up with someone like Buddy Ryan’s punching bag and then all of you will be asking for him to be fired next fall.
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this is speculation, you have no evidence that it will play out that way.
Ther are only 32 of these jobs on the planet, believe me coaches want the job.
If coaches wanted the job with davis sr, im sure there is no shortage of candidates for the gig with jr.
This will be about identifying the right guy, and also presenting the new raiders to those potential coaches.
The hype about “no one wants to coach here” was hyp when sr. was alive and its even less valid today.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:52 am
blown out!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:52 am
When DA was hired ,was he supposed to re-hire Hue Jack as OC ? Who wa available out there? There was no one available to hire so he went with his good buddy, I’m pretty sure Knapp will get the axe and so will Hoffman
November 21st, 2012 at 10:53 am
oakfoshow Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Losses are one thing,but being completely blown out and not competeing even with the bad teams is unacceptable.Even discussing keeping any of these losers is off the chain.Reggie included.
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November 21st, 2012 at 10:54 am
Places where Chucky would land if leaving the booth:
1) Dallas: $$$$$ and more $$$$$
2) Jets: NY huge market
3) Philli: Lotsa talent…maybe
4) SD: Nice weather, some talent
5) Oak: The Black Whole & weather…zero talent, small market.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:54 am
oakfoshow Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Losses are one thing,but being completely blown out and not competeing even with the bad teams is unacceptable.Even discussing keeping any of these losers is off the chain.Reggie included.
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it’s like everyone here is 15 years old, and just finding out about this game called football.
You actually believe any GM in the NFL could have done more? Reggie took what was handed to him, after Al spent 10 YEARS DESTROYING THE ORGANIZATION.
No draft picks. Stupid money thrown away from Al.
Reggie got dealt 7-2, offsuited.
The worst hand in the NFL.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:55 am
acoupleossane posters in here…priest, oakfoshow…
November 21st, 2012 at 10:55 am
814.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Again…..what has changed over the past 10 months that makes you think some good coach is going to jump at the opportunity to coach the Oakland Raiders?
If DA is fired, we will end up with someone like Buddy Ryan’s punching bag and then all of you will be asking for him to be fired next fall.
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this is speculation, you have no evidence that it will play out that way.
Ther are only 32 of these jobs on the planet, believe me coaches want the job.
If coaches wanted the job with davis sr, im sure there is no shortage of candidates for the gig with jr.
This will be about identifying the right guy, and also presenting the new raiders to those potential coaches.
The hype about “no one wants to coach here” was hyp when sr. was alive and its even less valid today.
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Yep, I’ve heard that before, and yet we end up hiring Chuck Bs and Greg knapps and Tom Cables, and Art Shells…..because the great opportunity of coaching with the Oakland Raiders is so hard to pass up.
Give me a fking break.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:56 am
I could do more……MOST GM’s COULD DO MORE…………are you HIGH !!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:57 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:06 am
RaiderO,
How can you sit there and praise Pryor when he is the main reason your undefeated Ohio State team isn’t poised to play ND for the National Championship? (yes, we both know ND would kick the crap out of them, but still, you would have gone to the big dance!)
A real Ohio State fan would demand that Pryor be cut from the Raiders’ roster and be sent to KC!
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LOL
Your team is overrated, and your offense is a joke.
I told you several times that I blame the VEST and not TP. He should have disciplined the team, and the NCAA would have never got involved. I said that many times?! WTF is wrong with you White Devil, did you join the Green Party?
I can understand your excitement, but I’m used to winning as a Buckeyes fan. Enjoy your season.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:57 am
That said, Reggie did make one huge mistake.
Hiring DA instead of a proven coach.
Has come back to bite him
November 21st, 2012 at 10:57 am
i wonder after three years of additional losing, they will still be crying about al…
November 21st, 2012 at 10:58 am
806.mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:47 am
Look at the over-reacting little babies, all planned SB parties after last year 8-8 against weak teams, can’t believe people can be so short sighted , I don’t think Hues couple of more points a game would have saved us the embarrassment from getting our asses handed against good teams ,remember last year when we met teams playing for playoffs or trying to play for their head coach,we lost ?? Det Loss, Mia Loss ,GB loss , KC barely won cuz Seymour blocked that fg in the end ,SD loss, what it’s telling is we were just lucky with the schedule ,and when teams really came to play we got crushed
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ This team cannot compete.They have regressed behond even what I thought we would.That is not overreacting.That is the bottom fking line.8-8 2 years in a row to this pile of crap is all you should be concentrateing on.When you go from competing to a laughing stock there is no other explaination.Reggie blew it.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:58 am
The thing against DA is that the friggin games are over by halftime…Cmon, even the baltimore punter scored a TD and spiked it in DAs face. LOL. loved the punter TD.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:59 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
I haven’t seen such poor play in my life as what I’ve witnessed the past 3 weeks. As you mention THAT is why so many of us doubt very seriously whether DA is capable at all. These game are over in the second qrtr. In the second half we’re in full-on comeback mode with little hope of coming back. Who in their right mind would cosign that?
This is crazy talk to mention a few great coaches and their early records as some kind of solace……get a clue!
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Agree. We needed 2 comebacks just to get to 3 wins. Someone here pointed out the other day that we’re losing on average by a larger margin than Shell with Bed and Breakfast.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:00 am
they are over at halftime…they bring in their scrubs to finish of the game…and still these geniuses want to give da more time….stupid.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:00 am
824.Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:57 am
That said, Reggie did make one huge mistake.
Hiring DA instead of a proven coach.
Has come back to bite him
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Yeah, all those proven coaches that were just banging down Reggie’s door…..Marty Mornhingwig, Kevin Gilbride….what a shame we missed on those guys.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:01 am
Maybe this time Reggie can get Dick Jauron to accept a call!
November 21st, 2012 at 11:01 am
I would never let TP go. You are crazy. He is a freakish athlete who plays QB. He needs work at the QB position, but he can contribute to our team. Tebow is not better than TP.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:01 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:58 am
The thing against DA is that the friggin games are over by halftime…Cmon, even the baltimore punter scored a TD and spiked it in DAs face. LOL. loved the punter TD.
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We are getting absolutely embarrassed and folks here talk about stability.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:01 am
You actually believe any GM in the NFL could have done more? Reggie took what was handed to him, after Al spent 10 YEARS DESTROYING THE ORGANIZATION.
No draft picks. Stupid money thrown away from Al.
Reggie got dealt 7-2, offsuited.
The worst hand in the NFL.
Yes,I absolutly know a better gm would have done a better job.8-8 to 3-7.Look at it anyway you want.What the hell is the matter with you guys.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:02 am
couldve hired a jc coach and he would do better than da…even bed n breakfast kept it closer…
November 21st, 2012 at 11:02 am
Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:47 am
Look at the over-reacting little babies, all planned SB parties after last year 8-8 against weak teams, can’t believe people can be so short sighted
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Pot? Meet kettle!
I remember someone, last year, posting the same dorky comment, hundreds of times, and only that comment.
CODE BLACK.
That was you, being short sighted until mathematically eliminated.
Don’t preach when you are, as well, the sinner.
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I was one of these blog guys who thought we turned the corner and we might have something with Hue ,with his own DC ,but when I really got the chance to look back and reflect upon the season , I was like hey we weren’t really that good, just happened to have a better running game and QB than previous years and we beat up on weak competition and got crushed against teams the like of NE and GB , then the FA came along , I knew we weren’t going anywhere with this D ,which regressed because Kell and Seymour got year older ,and Wimbley who was our best pass rusher was cut to make salary cap room to field team of 53, I knew Knapp was a bad hire and we have struggled to score points ,but still when I look at it ,I believe we’re #1 WR and healthy RB away from becoming a top team that can go head to head against other top teams ,even then the other top teams will prevail because we got no pass rush , it’s simple as that, we won’t win sh1t until some trash in D side is cleaned out and we become atleast above average D and great O with #1 WR or average O with great D
November 21st, 2012 at 11:03 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:56 am
I could do more……MOST GM’s COULD DO MORE…………are you HIGH !!
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With the exception of hiring a different HC, what would/could you have done different?
Save the obvious “should have signed so and so when he was available, because now he’s a stud” comment.
Hind sight is always 20-20.
Facts are Reggie inherited the worst organized organization in football. Stupid to think he can magically undo in one year something another man proceeded to destroy the previous 10 years.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:04 am
Dakota, you are one dumb hick, Why would all these assistant coaches follow them here?
Many very capable coaches interviewed some great ones as well. No matter what program you’re talking about you’re not going to get any coach you want. Sean Payton left this office with a SIGNED contract and Parcells talked him out of it.
There are a laundry list of coaches willing to come here that Reggie had in mind and mr Davis wanted it’s just his son wanted to go in another direction.
Coaches are as plentiful as players damn near, it’s what does Mark Davis want. He had every chance to hire a great coach but he let the GM hire his”Own Guy”. And we’re stuck with this mess.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:04 am
827.Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:58 am
The thing against DA is that the friggin games are over by halftime…Cmon, even the baltimore punter scored a TD and spiked it in DAs face. LOL. loved the punter TD.
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Bad coaching…did anybody see Harbaugh (Ravens) miked up on NFL network. I caught it flipping through, they planned to run the fake FG play all week b/c the Raiders were overloading the right side on FG all year.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:05 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:55 am
814.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:51 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Again…..what has changed over the past 10 months that makes you think some good coach is going to jump at the opportunity to coach the Oakland Raiders?
If DA is fired, we will end up with someone like Buddy Ryan’s punching bag and then all of you will be asking for him to be fired next fall.
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this is speculation, you have no evidence that it will play out that way.
Ther are only 32 of these jobs on the planet, believe me coaches want the job.
If coaches wanted the job with davis sr, im sure there is no shortage of candidates for the gig with jr.
This will be about identifying the right guy, and also presenting the new raiders to those potential coaches.
The hype about “no one wants to coach here” was hyp when sr. was alive and its even less valid today.
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Yep, I’ve heard that before, and yet we end up hiring Chuck Bs and Greg knapps and Tom Cables, and Art Shells…..because the great opportunity of coaching with the Oakland Raiders is so hard to pass up.
Give me a fking break.
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You have to keep in mind that davis sr. wasnt into the popular hire or retreads he wanted his guys regardless of how they awere percieved in terms of fan or media driven power rankings.
Sure there are always a couple of guys that turn down the job, but that happens in every city with every major sport. the yankess, the lakers, and so on have all experienced that.
The truth is you dont know, and you are speculating.
Im sure davis jr is a lot more like his pop that anyone wants to acknowldege here, and i cant see D.A surviving with this putrid performance.
Thats is why jr is at the podium at mid season, pop would be proud
November 21st, 2012 at 11:05 am
My point, Mcfadden20, is everyone immediately gets high expectations, instead of realistically accepting the obvious.
Very few said it’s a slow process, and that Reggie will need time.
Now the Al lovers are jumpin in to say “see??? he didn’t do that well. fire him. I can do better.”
Of course they won’t back up their words. Little people rarely do.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:06 am
I am not saying DA is the answer, but I will laugh my azz off in here as i watch you guys freak out after you get your way and Reggie fires DA and is forced to hire Kevin Gilbride as the next HC in two months.
What, you mean Bill Cowher turned THIS 1 of 32 jobs down? I am shocked!
November 21st, 2012 at 11:06 am
You dont have to worry about the Raiders not being appealing to players or coaches.Even a Raider hater like Tom Jackson said a couple weeks ago when he talks to players and coaches around the league about where they would want to play or coach %80 say “I’de like to give the Raiders down there in Oakland a shot”.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Ghosttoothepost
Gregg Knapp? Not saying he was just a bad hire, but shouldn’t they have realized that the players weren’t picking up the ZBS scheme in camp? Now they are slowly putting in more power-like schemes. Isn’t this @$$ backwards, shouldn’t they have eased in the ZBS?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:08 am
Not using hindsight son I said as much before Reggie made moves and criticised them after he did so. I had my doubts about Reggie early on when I heard rumors of what he wanted to do. You could see he didn’t know what he was doing but yall were on his jock so heavy you could see past his jewels.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:09 am
When is it time to unwrapp our 3rd round draft pick phenom?
After a loss in bungles bowl 2012, there will be no reason not to play him.
D.A will lose his job for certain if he doesnt play him soon.
Sounded an awful lot as though Davis jr wants to see him soon
lol like father like son
November 21st, 2012 at 11:10 am
I beleive Reggie thought he was smarter than he really is.Needs to get his head out of his a$$ and stop with power trip.”I wanted my own guy”. Stupid.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:10 am
Oh yeah Priest, I am sure there was a laundry list of great coaches ready to take the job, but Mark made Reggie pick from a list of bums…..
…are you for real?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:10 am
What, you mean Bill Cowher turned THIS 1 of 32 jobs down? I am shocked!
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All 32 teams want to fire their HCs and hire Cowher, and we are talking about stability!
lol
November 21st, 2012 at 11:10 am
Games are over before halftime now because teams aren’t finding it easy to run on us , so all they do is call any pass play and their QB is sitting back there with all the time to throw, secondary breaks down long TD, we get the ball back ,one of stupid wr’s run the wrong route ,or drop a first down ,we punt and then the D gets the ball ,they call a few run plays and then the pass play comes on an obvious passing down and we try to blitz with stupid to try to help the front four, still the QB has all the time , throws for a long bomb and game over
November 21st, 2012 at 11:11 am
I warned everyone in here they were jumping to conclusions way way way too soon. But no everyone thought I was in mourning. I was just being practical, because I know how hard that job is. Reggie was way too cocky, he hadn’t done a damn thing yet except pick some players……that’s not being a GM that’s being a SCOUT!
November 21st, 2012 at 11:11 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:02 am
couldve hired a jc coach and he would do better than da…even bed n breakfast kept it closer…
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And this to me is where you should be comparing DA. To Art Shell. Because as bad as that Bed & Breakfast 7 step drop offense was, that defense never gave up, all season. And Rob Ryan does get some credit there as well. Id be willing to bet that in a head to head match up, that team would beat DA’s team. Because Im confident that Aaron Brooks or even Andrew Walter would have been able to find holes in this garbage defense. However, I do not think that a Knapp led offense would be able to move on the Raiders Defense from that year. So yes, even the worst season in our recent memories, the one a lot of people like to look to as the “dark age” of Raiders history, even that team would stand a chance at beating, and dominating the team that we have today. And it would come down to one thing, and one thing only, coaching. Because this roster, 1 through 53, is still better than the team Art Shell had on the field that season.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:13 am
I was on board with Reggie until the fireing of Hue and the announcment of Knapp and the zone blocking scheme.I knew we were fked,and have been on a Reggie bash ever since.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:13 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:07 am
@Ghosttoothepost
Gregg Knapp? Not saying he was just a bad hire, but shouldn’t they have realized that the players weren’t picking up the ZBS scheme in camp? Now they are slowly putting in more power-like schemes. Isn’t this @$$ backwards, shouldn’t they have eased in the ZBS?
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Wasn’t referring to Knapp. Said no way Reggie could undo in such a short time what Al did for years.
Like Mark said “both are under contract, and aren’t going anywhere”.
Which I disagree with.
Contracts are made to be broken. Just the way it is.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:13 am
Again, the only way to justify firing DA and the rest of his staff is, if in return a coach named either Gruden, Cowher, or Billick is hired. It will instantly reenergize the fan base, FA’s will want to sign here and it will give us fans a better outlook on the future of this franchise.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:15 am
lol
850.mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:10 am
Games are over before halftime now because teams aren’t finding it easy to run on us , so all they do is call any pass play and their QB is sitting back there with all the time to throw, secondary breaks down long TD, we get the ball back ,one of stupid wr’s run the wrong route ,or drop a first down ,we punt and then the D gets the ball ,they call a few run plays and then the pass play comes on an obvious passing down and we try to blitz with stupid to try to help the front four, still the QB has all the time , throws for a long bomb and game over
This dude is a fking idiot!Open your eyes cheif.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:15 am
“on board until the firing of Hue”???
How could Reggie not fire Hue?
Hue went out of his way to make it clear he was in charge, and should be in charge, and should have full input on what goes on.
Hue’s head got so big he started getting stretch marks on his skull.
every person here, at the time, knew Hue had cooked his own goose.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:15 am
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:06 am
I am not saying DA is the answer, but I will laugh my azz off in here as i watch you guys freak out after you get your way and Reggie fires DA and is forced to hire Kevin Gilbride as the next HC in two months.
What, you mean Bill Cowher turned THIS 1 of 32 jobs down? I am shocked!
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this is the point, your fan driven coaches power rankings mean nothing to davis jr and big mack
They may want nothing to do with a bill cower, and they would be another in a group of teams that have not gone after him., and other like him.
Im sure big mack already has a list of guys he is ready to call or already has lined up.
This will in no way will be run according to a fan popularity poll.
You will never know just which coaches are sought after by the raiders…end of story
November 21st, 2012 at 11:17 am
855.MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:13 am
Again, the only way to justify firing DA and the rest of his staff is, if in return a coach named either Gruden, Cowher, or Billick is hired. It will instantly reenergize the fan base, FA’s will want to sign here and it will give us fans a better outlook on the future of this franchise.
Yup,and thats what we are looking for.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:18 am
851.Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:11 am
I warned everyone in here they were jumping to conclusions way way way too soon. But no everyone thought I was in mourning. I was just being practical, because I know how hard that job is. Reggie was way too cocky, he hadn’t done a damn thing yet except pick some players……that’s not being a GM that’s being a SCOUT!
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Well the Ron Wolfe endorsement really made the Kool-Aid taste sweet. Sounds crazy, but I even thought that the way Reggie talked (Kinda slow) that he must be a great football mind, b/c you know he wasn’t fooling anybody with his elocution skills.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:18 am
yes knapp was a pathetic hire , but seriously who really believes we would have scored over 30 a game with Hue with basically the same roster 40% of McFadden ,no # 1 receiver ,unless hue was going to get his O to score 45 every game without McFadden and average wide receivers to compensate for weak D , that’s the only way we were going to beat good teams in this league
November 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am
Blame it all on Al, blame on the short time frame.
Lets absolve DA and staff of all of it. Sounds like a plan.
They don’t need to show anything they just need time.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am
Whats a Drexl? Says: AD brooked no decent.===============
We know what you meant, but that’s kinda funny anyway.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:11 am
I warned everyone in here they were jumping to conclusions way way way too soon. But no everyone thought I was in mourning. I was just being practical, because I know how hard that job is. Reggie was way too cocky, he hadn’t done a damn thing yet except pick some players……that’s not being a GM that’s being a SCOUT!
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You avoided my question on what you would have done, that was so radically different, (besides the obvious of not picking DA) You have no answer.
Except to say Reggie was cocky???
HUH???? The man is about as laid back as you can get. Maybe too laid back.
Ya, ya, we know. Al is gone. You hate anyone coming in and proving Al blew it. Obviously Reggie had little to do with what he was given.
Pretty ignorant of you to state a GM can immediately undo years of abuse.
As far as picking players? That he’s a scout?
Again, you just don’t have a clue on what a GM does, do you?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:21 am
857.Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:15 am
“on board until the firing of Hue”???
How could Reggie not fire Hue?
Hue went out of his way to make it clear he was in charge, and should be in charge, and should have full input on what goes on.
Hue’s head got so big he started getting stretch marks on his skull.
every person here, at the time, knew Hue had cooked his own goose.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Im glad you were in the room when all this happened bud.I dont believe a fking word of it.Reggie wanted the POWER,and he blew it.Happens all the time.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:22 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:13 am
Again, the only way to justify firing DA and the rest of his staff is, if in return a coach named either Gruden, Cowher, or Billick is hired. It will instantly reenergize the fan base, FA’s will want to sign here and it will give us fans a better outlook on the future of this franchise.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I don’t want us to hire guys who haven’t coached in years.
I rather hire a young stud with good experience as a coordinator (not one year).
November 21st, 2012 at 11:22 am
Oakfoshow Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:15 am
lol
850.mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:10 am
Games are over before halftime now because teams aren’t finding it easy to run on us , so all they do is call any pass play and their QB is sitting back there with all the time to throw, secondary breaks down long TD, we get the ball back ,one of stupid wr’s run the wrong route ,or drop a first down ,we punt and then the D gets the ball ,they call a few run plays and then the pass play comes on an obvious passing down and we try to blitz with stupid to try to help the front four, still the QB has all the time , throws for a long bomb and game over
This dude is a fking idiot!Open your eyes cheif.
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What is there to laugh about do you dispute the notion that we have no pass rush and you can’t give good Qb’s all day in the pocket ? Do you think we got a pass rusher that’s underachieving ?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:22 am
A list of bums…………you are the most uninformed Raider fan I’ve ever heard of. Reggie could’ve picked anyone he wanted. He had his own list, my point is he could’ve expanded it as he wished it was his fault he limited that list if indeed it was limited. The owner gave him full control you are the only fan I know who DOESN’T know that.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:24 am
IMO, DA’s lack of intensity, his laid back demeanor, and his blase’ nature isn’t what we need.
You can be that way once you’ve established yourself. But looking at him on the sidelines, at PC’s, etc shows me a man who looks overwhelemed with it all, and not sure what to do.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:24 am
DA is not doing himself any favors having an unprepared team that just does not show up….
but there are two types of players that can dash any competitiveness that a coach wants to instill: The aging player that is paid, unmotivated, and a couple steps slower than they were in their prime.
The other: the young late round draft pick to undrafted players that might have some talent, but no smarts, or some smarts, but no talent.
The Raiders roster is littered with both. Whether that is a condemnation of McKenzie has yet to be seen-as he inherited a mess.
This team needed and needs a new direction. Whether this direction is the right one or not has yet to be seen. 10 games is not a fair amount to give the new regime when so much has changed.
Not saying we should blindly trust DA and Reggie-but they need to be given a fair shot. I’m having a worse feeling about it all than I did in August, but ya can’t just scrap guys b/c they didn’t work miracles with nothing.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:25 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
If the new owner and GM had Stability at their #1 priority, they would have kept Hue abd his staff, abd allowed him to hire a new DC.
That’s stability!
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Yes, but Hue thought he could punk out the owner. Bad move. If Hue had been just a little more humble, he’d still be here.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:26 am
i know huh? ok lets give reggie and da a blank check and pass…so stupid of these guys in here…blame it on ten years ago…
November 21st, 2012 at 11:26 am
This team wasn’t going to go anywhere with any coach, all these guys asking for Gruden cowher are stupid, the teams the took over had talent in grudens case bill cowher took over pretty good Steelers team and still only won 1 SB in like 15 years
November 21st, 2012 at 11:27 am
What is there to laugh about do you dispute the notion that we have no pass rush and you can’t give good Qb’s all day in the pocket ? Do you think we got a pass rusher that’s underachieving ?
Did Reggie go get any before the season? NO.Dont give me the salary cap bullsht cause we all know its how you manage it.Reggie thought we had a playoff calibre team and said so.He doesnt know a fkn thing about being a general manager and has more than proven that to this point.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:27 am
Raider O,
All three of those coaches have been observing the game from the booth, so they should have a good grasp of how the game is being played etc. Hire one of the coaches I named and an up and coming O.C/D.C…This team will be 10 times more competitive than it is now.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:28 am
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am
Whats a Drexl? Says: AD brooked no decent.===============
We know what you meant, but that’s kinda funny anyway.
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lmao, shoulda left the ed off.
brook:
verb (used with object)
to bear; suffer; tolerate: I will brook no interference.
Synonyms
take, stand, endure, abide, stomach.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:28 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
was quack really saying that we need to keep losing coaches so that we can attract other coaches? wth? the man is delusional…
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That works both ways, my friend. To wit:
Was Al_is_theraiders really saying that if we keep firing coaches after one year, qualified coaches with options will want to come here? WTH? The man is delusional…
November 21st, 2012 at 11:29 am
871.RaiderDuck Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:25 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
If the new owner and GM had Stability at their #1 priority, they would have kept Hue abd his staff, abd allowed him to hire a new DC.
That’s stability!
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Yes, but Hue thought he could punk out the owner. Bad move. If Hue had been just a little more humble, he’d still be here.
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If only he took that Shower…
November 21st, 2012 at 11:29 am
reggie picks players…lol….hanson, burris, adams, lee, bartell, spencer, bergstrom, stupar, francies, tollefson, the list goes on and on…
November 21st, 2012 at 11:30 am
ANYBODY but da….anybody…
November 21st, 2012 at 11:30 am
Nobody could have Changed sh1t , just cuz we beat like 6 bad teams last year doesn’t mean the its the same schedule every year , doesn’t mean the other teams didn’t get better in offseason , doesn’t mean we are now going to beat good Qb’s all of a sudden
November 21st, 2012 at 11:31 am
oakfoshow Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:21 am
857.Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:15 am
“on board until the firing of Hue”???
How could Reggie not fire Hue?
Hue went out of his way to make it clear he was in charge, and should be in charge, and should have full input on what goes on.
Hue’s head got so big he started getting stretch marks on his skull.
every person here, at the time, knew Hue had cooked his own goose.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Im glad you were in the room when all this happened bud.I dont believe a fking word of it.Reggie wanted the POWER,and he blew it.Happens all the time.
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Were you on vacation that MONTH?
Hue went in FRONT OF CAMERA, and flapped his lips, to where everyone who heard it immediately knew he just signed his own pink slip.
Immediately.
Of course Reggie went elsewhere.
Last thing he or any new GM needs is a mouthy primadonna HC who just stated to the WORLD THAT HE’S EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE HC AND TO MAKE DECISIONS REGARDING THE ORGANIZATION.
He “earned the right”???
And a new GM should keep that guy, who just made it clear he doesn’t want to be told what to do, that he’s “earned the right” to make his own decisions???
Hue became a joke. A laughingstock.
But memories are short.
Feel free to go look it up. Go to any Raider board, and there are threads after threads of Hue opening mouth/inserting foot.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:32 am
And could anybody begging for Gruden’s return please name me even ONE NFL coach in our lifetimes who has returned to his former team and been successful.
HINT: There haven’t been any. And there have been a whole pile of failures (Joe Gibbs, George Allen, Art Shell, Marion Campbell, Chuck Knox, etc).
November 21st, 2012 at 11:32 am
We need to hire a proven winner,not some goofy coordinator especially with the type of manangment we have.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:32 am
Does anyone know off of the top of their melon exactly how many 1 year contracts were signed this past offseason?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:33 am
871.RaiderDuck Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:25 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
If the new owner and GM had Stability at their #1 priority, they would have kept Hue abd his staff, abd allowed him to hire a new DC.
That’s stability!
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Yes, but Hue thought he could punk out the owner. Bad move. If Hue had been just a little more humble, he’d still be here.
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exactly.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:33 am
Oakfoshow Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:27 am
What is there to laugh about do you dispute the notion that we have no pass rush and you can’t give good Qb’s all day in the pocket ? Do you think we got a pass rusher that’s underachieving ?
Did Reggie go get any before the season? NO.Dont give me the salary cap bullsht cause we all know its how you manage it.Reggie thought we had a playoff calibre team and said so.He doesnt know a fkn thing about being a general manager and has more than proven that to this point.
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Ok you’re just dumb , so we could of gotten Who? We couldn’t even keep the only decent pass rusher who wasn’t that great to begin with but was better than other players on this team, all of our secondary s8vks none of our CBs are playing for any team from last year..
November 21st, 2012 at 11:34 am
Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:19 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:11 am
I warned everyone in here they were jumping to conclusions way way way too soon. But no everyone thought I was in mourning. I was just being practical, because I know how hard that job is. Reggie was way too cocky, he hadn’t done a damn thing yet except pick some players……that’s not being a GM that’s being a SCOUT!
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You avoided my question on what you would have done, that was so radically different, (besides the obvious of not picking DA) You have no answer.
Except to say Reggie was cocky???
HUH???? The man is about as laid back as you can get. Maybe too laid back.
Ya, ya, we know. Al is gone. You hate anyone coming in and proving Al blew it. Obviously Reggie had little to do with what he was given.
Pretty ignorant of you to state a GM can immediately undo years of abuse.
As far as picking players? That he’s a scout?
Again, you just don’t have a clue on what a GM does, do you?
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I know more about what a GM does than you son. I used to deal with them personally. It’s to manage every aspect of the team off the field. From coaches to scouts to plane rides he’s over everything. It’s his responsibility the only person above him is the president or owner. His scope of responsiblity goes way beyond picking players. Which is all Reggie has ever done.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:36 am
Mcthompso Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:24 am
DA is not doing himself any favors having an unprepared team that just does not show up….
but there are two types of players that can dash any competitiveness that a coach wants to instill: The aging player that is paid, unmotivated, and a couple steps slower than they were in their prime.
The other: the young late round draft pick to undrafted players that might have some talent, but no smarts, or some smarts, but no talent.
The Raiders roster is littered with both. Whether that is a condemnation of McKenzie has yet to be seen-as he inherited a mess.
This team needed and needs a new direction. Whether this direction is the right one or not has yet to be seen. 10 games is not a fair amount to give the new regime when so much has changed.
Not saying we should blindly trust DA and Reggie-but they need to be given a fair shot. I’m having a worse feeling about it all than I did in August, but ya can’t just scrap guys b/c they didn’t work miracles with nothing.
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Thats the thing though. This is the NFL. What exactly is a “fair shot”? Id say DA was given a “fair shot” when he was hired. And what we see today with this team IS what he is doing with his shot. 31 other head coaches that have the same issues. Either you get it done or you dont. And this guy isnt getting it one. He has been given a fair shot and has failed with it. Can we at least get a nail biter or two? Getting blown out week after week just doesnt warrant another chance. If you are getting blown out this bad week after week, we can only hope you can go from terrible, to decent. Theyve already proven that he can take a team from competitive to terrible. Does he have the ability to take them from terrible to great?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:37 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:29 am
871.RaiderDuck Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:25 am
Raider O Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
If the new owner and GM had Stability at their #1 priority, they would have kept Hue abd his staff, abd allowed him to hire a new DC.
That’s stability!
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Yes, but Hue thought he could punk out the owner. Bad move. If Hue had been just a little more humble, he’d still be here.
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If only he took that Shower…
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LOL
November 21st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:26 am
i know huh? ok lets give reggie and da a blank check and pass…so stupid of these guys in here…blame it on ten years ago…
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Don’t think anyone is blaming it on 2002. Not even the Jamarcus Russell pick is looked at as a culprit anymore. I think people are looking at lack of draft picks to get guys like Taiwan Jones, Barksdale, Palmer, Curry, etc. All of which were in the last couple years.
If not the lack of draft picks for guys that might not even be good enough to be scrubs (save palmer), then maybe its all the money that was tied up in guys like Stanford Routt, Chris Johnson, Kamerion Wimbley, Tommy Kelly, Richard Seymour.
Also-nobody has said give the guys a free pass. Everyone is sick with this season, but you can’t just disassemble everything and randomly put parts back in place every year, and hope something sticks. Thats what the Raiders god gave us the last 10 years, and it obviously didn’t work (8-8 twice is far from successful).
You have to at least give one plan time to develop before discarding it-or else there will never be any rhyme or reason.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Yes hire a proven winner and expect better results with same freaking players.. That’s not how things work, all teams need to keep on adding good players, especially ours since it wasn’t that good to begin with , we were like 25 M over the salary cap , Den enjoyed rolling over like 20 million from last year and try got P manning , NE still had cap room , and they will roll over more money than us again next year in hopes of improving their team in offseason , while we will be looking at which under performing player we should cut , Kelly? Seymour?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:39 am
Were you on vacation that MONTH?
Hue went in FRONT OF CAMERA, and flapped his lips, to where everyone who heard it immediately knew he just signed his own pink slip.
Immediately.
Of course Reggie went elsewhere.
Last thing he or any new GM needs is a mouthy primadonna HC who just stated to the WORLD THAT HE’S EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE HC AND TO MAKE DECISIONS REGARDING THE ORGANIZATION.
He “earned the right”???
And a new GM should keep that guy, who just made it clear he doesn’t want to be told what to do, that he’s “earned the right” to make his own decisions???
Hue became a joke. A laughingstock.
But memories are short.
Feel free to go look it up. Go to any Raider board, and there are threads after threads of Hue opening mouth/inserting foot And alot of us think he did earn the right,he worked his a$$,was original,competed and came up short.I heard what he said.Big fkn deal.He deserved another year.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:39 am
Ira Kaufman (Tampa Tribune, 31) — The resurgent Bengals might drop 50 on these frauds.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:41 am
892.mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Yes hire a proven winner and expect better results with same freaking players.. That’s not how things work, all teams need to keep on adding good players, especially ours since it wasn’t that good to begin with , we were like 25 M over the salary cap , Den enjoyed rolling over like 20 million from last year and try got P manning , NE still had cap room , and they will roll over more money than us again next year in hopes of improving their team in offseason , while we will be looking at which under performing player we should cut , Kelly? Seymour?
Dude just shut the fk up! Your obviously around 14 years old know nothing about football and the dumbest sumbich on this blog.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Whats A Drexl? Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:39 am
Ira Kaufman (Tampa Tribune, 31) — The resurgent Bengals might drop 50 on these frauds.
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Shrug. If he’s right, then what’s to complain about? If he’s wrong, then nobody will care what this guy said.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:41 am
John David Booty Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:36 am
Mcthompso Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:24 am
DA is not doing himself any favors having an unprepared team that just does not show up….
but there are two types of players that can dash any competitiveness that a coach wants to instill: The aging player that is paid, unmotivated, and a couple steps slower than they were in their prime.
The other: the young late round draft pick to undrafted players that might have some talent, but no smarts, or some smarts, but no talent.
The Raiders roster is littered with both. Whether that is a condemnation of McKenzie has yet to be seen-as he inherited a mess.
This team needed and needs a new direction. Whether this direction is the right one or not has yet to be seen. 10 games is not a fair amount to give the new regime when so much has changed.
Not saying we should blindly trust DA and Reggie-but they need to be given a fair shot. I’m having a worse feeling about it all than I did in August, but ya can’t just scrap guys b/c they didn’t work miracles with nothing.
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Thats the thing though. This is the NFL. What exactly is a “fair shot”? Id say DA was given a “fair shot” when he was hired. And what we see today with this team IS what he is doing with his shot. 31 other head coaches that have the same issues. Either you get it done or you dont. And this guy isnt getting it one. He has been given a fair shot and has failed with it. Can we at least get a nail biter or two? Getting blown out week after week just doesnt warrant another chance. If you are getting blown out this bad week after week, we can only hope you can go from terrible, to decent. Theyve already proven that he can take a team from competitive to terrible. Does he have the ability to take them from terrible to great?
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I can 100% give up on DA and be fine with it. The team is awful and does not show up. Not sold that its DA’s fault, but can understand canning him. If he does stay, he has to show something, if not, whatever.
My comment was meant more towards the thought about Reggie needing to go after one year.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:42 am
when i say “not sold its DA’s fault,” i mean ALL DA’s fault, cause a lot of it obviously is—he is the head coach.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am
It’s as if you guys think Reggie will never signa bad contract……….haven’t you looked at what he’s done so far? Bad contracts are right around the corner based on what I’m seeing now.
Whatever he gave Bartell is a bad contract IMO the same is true with Brisiel. The truth is I think you guys are in for a very rude awakening. he may not be as free with money as Mr Davis was because HE CAN’T. It’s not his money Mr Davis could do that because it was his team his money. Big difference!!
November 21st, 2012 at 11:44 am
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Ok you’re just dumb , so we could of gotten Who? We couldn’t even keep the only decent pass rusher who wasn’t that great to begin with but was better than other players on this team, all of our secondary s8vks none of our CBs are playing for any team from last year..
And your prediction was to make the playoffs while mine was 4-12.Now who the fk is dumb? Shut up already.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:46 am
oakfoshow Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:41 am
892.mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Yes hire a proven winner and expect better results with same freaking players.. That’s not how things work, all teams need to keep on adding good players, especially ours since it wasn’t that good to begin with , we were like 25 M over the salary cap , Den enjoyed rolling over like 20 million from last year and try got P manning , NE still had cap room , and they will roll over more money than us again next year in hopes of improving their team in offseason , while we will be looking at which under performing player we should cut , Kelly? Seymour?
Dude just shut the fk up! Your obviously around 14 years old know nothing about football and the dumbest sumbich on this blog.
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See this is the only answer i can expect from close minded people like you , who just think they can bring in certain named guy as a coach and we will just start winning, LMAO @ always a way to manage around the cap? how were you going to manage being 25 MIllion over the cap? and still sign good players, we are so many players away from becoming respectful, yet we couldn’t even bring 1 due to that , lets get another of your close minded responses
November 21st, 2012 at 11:46 am
Reggie will stay! Everyone else dead men walking!! Reggie will admit he got it wrong and move on with a new staff! I can see Gruden and Hue get a phone call because thats what the fans want! Mark Davis said” he’s a fan” and “he is gonna get it right”! Reggie will do what Mark says just to stay!!
November 21st, 2012 at 11:47 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am
It’s as if you guys think Reggie will never signa bad contract……….haven’t you looked at what he’s done so far? Bad contracts are right around the corner based on what I’m seeing now.
Whatever he gave Bartell is a bad contract IMO the same is true with Brisiel. The truth is I think you guys are in for a very rude awakening. he may not be as free with money as Mr Davis was because HE CAN’T. It’s not his money Mr Davis could do that because it was his team his money. Big difference!!
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Brisiel was a multi-year deal. Ouch. Bartell, Spencer, Carter, Smith and Tollefson are all on one-year deals. As is Wheeler, but I hope we re-sign him.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:47 am
2013 Free Agents:
Barnes
Bartell
Bryant
Cooper
Carter
Francies
Gaither
Giordano
Hagan
Hanson
Leinart
Ross
Spencer
Wheeler
Goodson
Lechler
Mitchell
Schmitt
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I see Bryant, Wheeler and Goodson returning. The rest can go!
November 21st, 2012 at 11:49 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am
It’s as if you guys think Reggie will never signa bad contract……….haven’t you looked at what he’s done so far? Bad contracts are right around the corner based on what I’m seeing now.
Whatever he gave Bartell is a bad contract IMO the same is true with Brisiel. The truth is I think you guys are in for a very rude awakening. he may not be as free with money as Mr Davis was because HE CAN’T. It’s not his money Mr Davis could do that because it was his team his money. Big difference!!
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Brisiel has been one of the biggest FA busts in the NFL this season. 5 years 20 mil. And he’ll be 5 mil against the cap the next 3 seasons.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:49 am
oakfoshow Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:44 am
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Ok you’re just dumb , so we could of gotten Who? We couldn’t even keep the only decent pass rusher who wasn’t that great to begin with but was better than other players on this team, all of our secondary s8vks none of our CBs are playing for any team from last year..
And your prediction was to make the playoffs while mine was 4-12.Now who the fk is dumb? Shut up already.
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I was dumb like you who bought into last year until i really got time to reflect over the season , we beat up horrible teams last year, got crushed by GB and NE,what we’re seeing this year is what would have happened last year if the schedule was reversed and that’s get crushed week after week
November 21st, 2012 at 11:50 am
@Priesttj12
Bartell is one year, $3M. He played pretty well in the past for the Rams…
November 21st, 2012 at 11:50 am
This team is an absolute joke!! So bad we cant be mad!!
November 21st, 2012 at 11:50 am
Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:43 am
It’s as if you guys think Reggie will never signa bad contract……….haven’t you looked at what he’s done so far? Bad contracts are right around the corner based on what I’m seeing now.
Whatever he gave Bartell is a bad contract IMO the same is true with Brisiel. The truth is I think you guys are in for a very rude awakening. he may not be as free with money as Mr Davis was because HE CAN’T. It’s not his money Mr Davis could do that because it was his team his money. Big difference!!
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And the Patriots gave Brandon Lloyd a bad contract, and the Packers gave AJ Hawk a bad contract, and the Ravens gave Kyle Boller a bad contract—it happens.
Reggie has given bad contracts for damn sure. He might not be the answer. He might be a bum of a GM. But one year of football, where he took over a team that nowhere near resembled what he sees as a successful formula, is all he has had. No way it needs to be scrapped now. The leash can shortened, by all means, but give the guy a real shot.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:50 am
10 games into this season, and there’s absolutely nothing getting better.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:51 am
RaiderDanny Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:46 am
Reggie will stay! Everyone else dead men walking!! Reggie will admit he got it wrong and move on with a new staff! I can see Gruden and Hue get a phone call because thats what the fans want! Mark Davis said” he’s a fan” and “he is gonna get it right”! Reggie will do what Mark says just to stay!!
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I tend to agree with this. Reggie is not going to tie himself to a sinking staff. He will use this staff, DA included, as scapegoats for the horrible season.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:51 am
904.MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:47 am
2013 Free Agents:
Barnes
Bartell
Bryant
Cooper
Carter
Francies
Gaither
Giordano
Hagan
Hanson
Leinart
Ross
Spencer
Wheeler
Goodson
Lechler
Mitchell
Schmitt
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I see Bryant, Wheeler and Goodson returning. The rest can go!
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Hagan? Pretty good 4th receiver?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:51 am
910.KoolKell Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:50 am
10 games into this season, and there’s absolutely nothing getting better.
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A higher draft pick?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:52 am
http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2012/11/21/raiders-have-gutted-half-their-roster/
With linebacker Aaron Curry being cut yesterday, the Raiders have now parted ways with 26 players who were on the 53-man roster Week 17 of last season. (Jacoby Ford makes 27 not on the roster but he is on injured reserve.)
Of the 27 players no longer on the Raiders roster from last year, 13 are no longer in the NFL (12 are elsewhere, Ford on IR, Boss on Chiefs IR).
Here is the breakdown:
On another team: (12) Satele, Murphy, Bush, Van Dyke, McCann, Groves, Barksdale, Schilens, Scott, Bruce Campbell, Jason Campbell, Wimbley
No longer in NFL: (13) Routt, Boller, Curry, Heyer, Cartwright, Boyd, Tonga, Blackstock, Houshmandzadeh, Moss, Brodine, Henderson, Sheppard\
On IR: (2) Ford (Raiders), Boss (Chiefs)
The Raiders may not fill Curry’s roster spot until later in the week.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:52 am
Of course a better coaching staff can do more with the same players.. That’s why some people get paid more than others
November 21st, 2012 at 11:52 am
Bartell was coming from year away from football, Shaugnessy was coming from year away from football, SPencer was a scrub who we tried out for 1 year, Joselio Hanson cut by the eagles, Lee was a PS some where year ago , M Huff was not good at FS to begin with but now learning at CB, Branch just played better in a contract year, McClain is playing in a wrong scheme, Wheeler came from one of the worst Ds from last year , Burris was a 5th rd pick, Kelly and Seymour(knee Problems) are year older, houston is a DT playing at a wrong position
November 21st, 2012 at 11:53 am
My bad, I always liked Hagan. Hagan as well.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:53 am
Should have called Parcels for GM!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 11:53 am
I just don’t get how some coaches win sb’s with putrid defenses like Belichick and Payton but some people are giving DA a pass for inherting a pile of crap on a defense that went 16-16 last two years.
He won’t get a pass from me. He has showed me absolutely nothing to make me think he is HC material. He sure shown an inkling of that “it” factor people keep talking about.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:54 am
John David Booty Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:49 am
Brisiel has been one of the biggest FA busts in the NFL this season. 5 years 20 mil. And he’ll be 5 mil against the cap the next 3 seasons.
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What do you mean, “5 mil against the cap”??? Very little of that money was guaranteed. Pretty sure Reggie can cut bait on him after this year with minimal cap implications.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:54 am
Tonga is no longer in the NFL? The greatest blocking fullback ever! HAHAHA
November 21st, 2012 at 11:55 am
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:47 am
2013 Free Agents:
Barnes
Bartell
Bryant
Cooper
Carter
Francies
Gaither
Giordano
Hagan
Hanson
Leinart
Ross
Spencer
Wheeler
Goodson
Lechler
Mitchell
Schmitt
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I see Bryant, Wheeler and Goodson returning. The rest can go!
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Bryant – yes
Wheeler – yes
Goodson – yes
Barnes – yes (not the best but adequate for now)
Schmitt – yes
Hagen – maybe
November 21st, 2012 at 11:56 am
Need to fill Curry’s spot with somebody like Alameda Ta’amu.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:58 am
He won’t get a pass from me. He has showed me absolutely nothing to make me think he is HC material. He sure shown an inkling of that “it” factor people keep talking about.
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Meant He sure has NOT shown an inkling of that “it” factor people keep talking about.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:59 am
916.mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:52 am
Bartell was coming from year away from football, Shaugnessy was coming from year away from football, SPencer was a scrub who we tried out for 1 year, Joselio Hanson cut by the eagles, Lee was a PS some where year ago , M Huff was not good at FS to begin with but now learning at CB, Branch just played better in a contract year, McClain is playing in a wrong scheme, Wheeler came from one of the worst Ds from last year , Burris was a 5th rd pick, Kelly and Seymour(knee Problems) are year older, houston is a DT playing at a wrong position
and your still trying to learn the nfl game.
November 21st, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Also… For the people bringing up Hue as someone we should have kept instead of bringing in DA (and I’m not say your wrong…), remember, Hue was the Raiders OC the year before he became the HC, so he had already implemented some of the system his first year as OC.
November 21st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
As far as ESPN reporting Gruden was gonna leave the MNF booth and then recanting the story, what it was is during the taping pf PTI today they interviewed Peter King who speculated that IF Gruden were to leave to take a coaching gig, that the brass at ESPN would not be happy about it.
That’s all.
November 21st, 2012 at 12:18 pm
We got what we got cause nothing has changed.
Parcels, Walsh, Bellechick, Johnson might have had a bad first year but all were head coaches at some level before nfl success. Bellechick being something of exception but he too had to learn on the browns nickle. All those guys had a ton of experience before being HC and all their bad teams showed flashes.
DA has nothing to compare – no flashes – nada zilch. You got to earn it. Christ he even has a somewhat decent QB.
Make no mistake this is as bad as it gets. The only way it gets worse is when Palmer gets injured and they bring in Leinart. Which again will PROVE they have no clue how to build for the future.
November 21st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I agree with your points MA, but those teams also had some real good players on them, and I bet all those coaches had draft picks and weren’t in “cap jail” like the Raiders are/were. I’m not really comparing DA to any of those great coaches. Heck, for all I know, he will never be a good HC. All I’m saying is, given what he has had to deal with (personnel wise), I give him a little break this season.
I mean, lets do a little test here….. Can anyone tell me the names of all the great/or even “very good” players we have on this team right now? I’m betting you can’t come up with very many names.
November 21st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Can ever really gauge a players potential if the coaching is poor?
November 21st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
That’s true with rookies, but not always true with vets. What vets (3+ years) are great or very good on the Raiders? This means we have seen what they have done before AD either on the Raiders or on a different team.
November 21st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Maybe if they had put Curry on special teams, he could’ve helped our sorry kickoff teams! Our kick coverage team looks like Moe, Joe and Curly out there!!
November 21st, 2012 at 1:43 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:51 am
910.KoolKell Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:50 am
10 games into this season, and there’s absolutely nothing getting better.
I’ve progresed from crack to herion watching this team!