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McFadden, Seymour not practicing once again

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 at 11:52 am in Oakland Raiders.

Raiders coach Dennis Allen said he is hopeful of getting back some of his injured players this week. For now, he has to settle for seeing strong safety Tyvon Branch back on the field after missing most of practice last week, as well as the game against the New Orleans Saints.
Running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson and defensive tackle Richard Seymour are not practicing today. All three missed the past two games with injuries.
Taiwan Jones, Jeremy Stewart and Marcel Reece are taking reps at running back in the absence of Oakland’s top two backs.
Allen said Monday that Goodson still was in a walking boot. McFadden ran around on the field last week, but he still hasn’t been cleared to return to practice. Both are recovering from high-ankle sprains.
Desmond Bryant is taking Seymour’s reps in practice once again.
On a positive note, linebacker Philip Wheeler and Jones are practicing today despite suffering injuries against the Saints.

– Defensive line coach Terrell Williams rejoined the team Monday, 10 days or so after his 4-year-old son passed away.
Williams is on the field, back at work, today. Let’s hope he finds a measure of comfort in being back around people that care for him and his family so much and that working helps him in the healing process.

– The Raiders still have not filled the vacancy on their 53-man roster created by the waiving of outside linebacker Aaron Curry on Tuesday.

– The Raiders are practicing on artificial turf today as a result of the recent rains. This is one of the few times in recent memory in which the Raiders used that field.

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  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Can either of you enlighten me as to what you are looking at, to even have a glimmer of hope that this team lead by this coaching staff has even a remote possibility of finishing strong, playing well at the end of this season?

    All i see is regression.
    =========================================

    Honestly, no. But lets try. Holding Branch and Seymour out, might be able to give them a little life for the last quarter of the season. They are our two best defenders and frankly both of them are worn out. A couple or more weeks off has got to help.

    Offensively the number one thing to me is McFadden has been completely useless. But Reece sure looked good. Getting Khalif Barnes back is going to help. If we could just get someone on the interior of the line to play well (Bergstrom, Nix?), that might shore up the line enough, with Reece or Stewart igniting the offense. Forget Moore, Criner is the guy who has to emerge along with Hagan and Streator. But the operative word in this whole thing is “might”.

  • LA to TheBay

    Rookie QB will sit behind Cp for one year while we put soe more pieces in, then rookie starts in 2014.

  • fingers

    Albert…. I hear ya… Not a lot to look forward too right now…… I thought the team might at least be as good ( or bad ) as last year… But they aren’t…

  • Ghosttoothepost

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:34 pm

    I am thinking about retiring from the blog again. It’s too emotionally draining. I’d like to spend some more time with my family. I don’t know. We’ll see.
    ========================================
    Taking you off the christmas list, then.
    Thanks for letting us know in advance.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Ghosttoothepost Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    YOU ARE STILL CRYING?? Wow, I broke the trolls brain. It won’t leave. I think it has the Stockholm syndrome where after repeated beatings it now loves me. Kind of like a pimp and his ho.

  • fingers

    McFadden has been a huge disappointment… … And Reese has been a nice find… As some of you said he would be if he got the playing time

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    FreddieB Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:37 pm

    Starting on the Oline with a center and two guards,

    Seymour,
    Giving up on Wiz II? Why not move Wiz to LG?
    ==========================================

    I am not giving up on Wiz 2.0 just yet. Guard seems to be the better fit for him as you say.

  • fingers

    I’m tired of jumping on and off the Huff bandwagon … He’s just been to inconsistent ..

  • KRAWFDADD

    Lets keep it 100.No matter what color or who they are no QB would stay upright and healthy behind that Chicago Bears O-Line

  • Dakota

    277.Ghosttoothepost Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
    Dakota Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
    Jezuz people!

    I was corresponding with one of the most admired posters in here this morning via e-mail, and he basically said this place had become a zoo where people come to fight over nothing. So he doesn’t visit here very often anymore.
    ===============================
    In other words, it’s too hot, and he should stay out of the kitchen.

    By your estimate, Dakota, how many exchanges, over the years, have you gotten in, where you fought over nothing?
    Give or take 100?

    anyone who wants vanilla should stay the hell in the playroom with the other kids.
    +++++++++++++++++++

    About nothing? Very few. Most of my arguments with people in here involve politics, Al Davis or McFadden….I would not call those subjects ‘nothing’. I have gotten personal with Seymour Bush and with KoolKell and Priesttj, but we let things go and can generally talk about things without it getting that personal, but on the times it has become personal, we have still been able to set those feelings aside and discuss topics without the hysterics not long thereafter.

    The immediate attacks on people here the second you see certain individuals post a comment is just ridiculous.

  • LA to TheBay

    308.fingers Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
    I’m tired of jumping on and off the Huff bandwagon … He’s just been to inconsistent ..

    ——–

    I disagree, he’s been the picture of consistency.

    OLE!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    That troll is just sitting in the corner blathering incoherently. Should we take it to the hospital? Or just hope it dies? Yeah, let it die.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:09 pm

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    49ER RAIDER KILLA Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:00 pm

    So when Carson gets embarrassed in front of his former team on sunday , does Pryor finally get soem snaps? I mean the game will be over by half time since the bungles D will score 14 points of INTS and 7 more off a Palmer fumble in the endzone… Also Dennis Allen is a great defensive GURU ain’t he !
    =============

    i think the raider dropped the ball and should have broken in tp6 the way harbaugh found ways to use kappy.

    I agree that the bungle bowl is the biggest game of carsons life and when/ if he flops it will be time to sit him down in favor tp6.

    If only to evaluate t pryor and get a jump on the draft process, and perhaps get some interest in pryor if he isnt in the long term plans

    This is also a means to sell tix post bungle bowl 2012
    ===========================================

    It really isn’t a bad idea. One of two things would happen: if Pryor plays well, you are going to have a QB controversy going forward and that would not be good. If Pryor plays poorly, which is more likely to happen, it would shut the fans taco holes up.
    ================

    I dont understand this sentiment, as if a 3rd round draft choice qb only gets 1-2 games to prove he can play?

    Dont drafted rokkies get at least a season or two to play struggle and improve?

    I mean blain gabbert, and christian ponder get plenty long looks. so did ryan leaf,rick mirer, david klingler and the list goes on. yet pryor only gets 1 or two games?

    why so impatient with him?

  • fingers

    La to the bay…. Lol… Ok…

  • LA to TheBay

    What would be awesome is if we snag Te’o and trade up into the late 1st to get EJ. Both kids are players.

    Hard to deny Barkley though, who has been in pro style offense for 4 years.

    While we’re at it, grab Woods too, cause he’s gonna fall a bit due to being outshined by Lee in 12.

  • LA to TheBay

    Mistic.

    If Al was still around, Pryor would be starting next year unless Jason took us to the promised land and would have got extension.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    I dont understand this sentiment, as if a 3rd round draft choice qb only gets 1-2 games to prove he can play?
    =========================================

    I didn’t say one or two games, I said one or two things would happen…

  • Dakota

    315.LA to TheBay Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:45 pm
    What would be awesome is if we snag Te’o and trade up into the late 1st to get EJ. Both kids are players.

    Hard to deny Barkley though, who has been in pro style offense for 4 years.

    While we’re at it, grab Woods too, cause he’s gonna fall a bit due to being outshined by Lee in 12.

    +++++++++++++++

    Barkley? Some assistant had to deflate balls in order for him to try and keep up with Oregon….small hands=red flag alert?

    I’ll pass.

  • JLofty

    G0dd@mmit Dakota, wtf are you talking about!!?!??? Of all the crybaby primadonna shortbus riding posters in here, YOU of all people should start attacking the rest of us…

  • JLofty

    Oh wait, THAT Dakota, um, nevermind….

  • Dakota

    True…..carry on you shortbus fktards!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    I want Terrell Pryor to succeed. When Pryor came here he could not play Q in the National Football League. He could not do it. He did not have the accuracy or the mechanics to be successful. Well, two years later, he has put in a lot of work God bless him. Can he compete against NFL ones? That is yet to be seen…

  • fingers

    I still believe Palmers the starter for at least 2013/14… Qbs not the priority IMO with the team….rebuild the defense and tweek the offense…( oline)…I can see them trading McFadden…just hasn’t worked here…

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    LA to TheBay Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:46 pm

    Mistic.

    If Al was still around, Pryor would be starting next year unless Jason took us to the promised land and would have got extension.
    ========

    Al and his hand picked qb are gone

    so play pryor after the bungles bowl, and let him play the rest of the year.

    he can compete for his spot next season,

    i have said that ej manual and geno smith are the best qbs in the draft, and i think manual is the guy i like a little better.

    I would love to draft that kid

  • http://ibabuss.com antispy3

    If Marcel Reese can stay healthy he can remain as the feature back. When Goodson returns he can be the change of pace back.

    Taiwan Jones should be moved to WR if he has the requisite hands & route running skills. His dyslexia may prove a hindrance in deciphering option pass routes.

    McFadein (or out, depending on your point of view) hopefully can command a second round draft (or in the Raiders stead, daft pick) pick in the upcoming draft. But he can’t be trusted to return any time soon. As in another early dismissal for the ever disappointing Ferarri. . .

  • Dakota

    I am being a hypocrite on this subject….I do not have the moral high ground…..some of you people are so fking stupid you need to be told….but I do so with the hope that you then choose not to reproduce and perpetuate your fuktardom.

    Call it a public service.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    I have gotten personal with Seymour Bush and with KoolKell and Priesttj, but we let things go and can generally talk about things without it getting that personal, but on the times it has become personal, we have still been able to set those feelings aside and discuss topics without the hysterics not long thereafter.
    ===========================================

    Ah, it’s gotten testy but nothing major. At least not in my mind. I always thought you and I can have cordial discussions on most subjects.

  • fingers

    Seymour… Good take on Pryor… I want him to be sucessful as well….I just don’t think he’s ready yet…

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:54 pm

    I want Terrell Pryor to succeed. When Pryor came here he could not play Q in the National Football League. He could not do it. He did not have the accuracy or the mechanics to be successful. Well, two years later, he has put in a lot of work God bless him. Can he compete against NFL ones? That is yet to be seen…
    ============

    if tim tebow got a shot,

    there is no justification for not giving pryor his shot

  • JLofty

    I don’t see us drafting a QB with the first round pick this year. I think the Reg is one of those guys who is SO confident in his ability to find football players he will trade down and get more dudes.
    He will keep doing this until he can LOAD the entire roster with guys he thinks are talented, play hard, and aren’t going to break the bank all Wimbley style….
    Then out of those dudes, a few will end up true stars and need to get paid to stick around….

  • The Beeech Dawg

    Dakota Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:56 pm

    I am being a hypocrite on this subject….I do not have the moral high ground…..some of you people are so fking stupid you need to be told….but I do so with the hope that you then choose not to reproduce and perpetuate your fuktardom.

    Call it a public service.

    ————–

    Tell that to my 11 kids

  • Chris in NY

    Monte Poole takes a sledgehammer to the lies continuously espoused by others in the media and the few, dwindling fans who cling to their argument that firing Hue was the right call. So on point and so heartbreaking to those of us who’ve suffered through the last decade of Raiders football, pleaded with the organization to keep Hue and sensed this trainwreck that you’re watching now was imminent at the announcement of his firing:
    http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22042809/poole-reeling-raiders-will-see-hue-jackson-cincy

  • JLofty

    Dude I was trying to be funny. I read all your posts unless you fall into the politic rabbit hole.
    I was totally kidding. Of the vast majority of seriously deranged and literally disabled posters in here you are on the other end of the spectrum. Irony lost….

    _________________________________________________
    Dakota Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
    I am being a hypocrite on this subject….I do not have the moral high ground…..some of you people are so fking stupid you need to be told….but I do so with the hope that you then choose not to reproduce and perpetuate your fuktardom.

    Call it a public service.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Monkeys!!

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    It is clear that if pryor succeeds out of the gate many here will find ways to dis credit what he does.

    if pryor struggles out of the gate people will be extremely impatient and want to run him out after one game.

    A qb controversy would be welcome, one it means we have more than one viable option. Second it would mean that palmer would need to play better than 7-13 33 turnovers to keep his gig. Either scenario is favorable for real raider fans in this instance.

  • fingers

    Tebow got a shot.. Yep he did… And his teammates in Denver and new York say he’s terrible….

  • 49ER RAIDER KILLA

    if tim tebow got a shot,

    there is no justification for not giving pryor his shot

    ================================
    Pryor needs to start PRAYING more ! God loves football !

  • qodrn1

    URL to Palmer quiz below. Kind of interesting.

    http://local.cincinnati.com/quizzes/Quiz/116/9/3/0/1/0/1

  • Dakota

    JLofty Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
    Dude I was trying to be funny. I read all your posts unless you fall into the politic rabbit hole.
    I was totally kidding. Of the vast majority of seriously deranged and literally disabled posters in here you are on the other end of the spectrum. Irony lost….
    ++++++++++

    This is obviously one of the smarter commentators in here….

  • fingers

    God or not… Tebows teammates still say he’s terrible… …

  • qodrn1

    From Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer

    Less than 24 hours after the Bengals beat the Chiefs, everyone was already looking at this week’s opponent. Then again, many have been looking forward to this game since the schedule was released in April, since it is Carson Palmer’s return to Cincinnati.

    Quarterback Andy Dalton and head coach Marvin Lewis got an early jump on some of the questions on Monday. Lewis pointed out during a team meeting that 28 of the players on the current 53-man roster weren’t here when Palmer was.

    “There’s no reason for them to answer questions. That tells you how quickly things change in the NFL,” Lewis said. “Now he’s not here, so our job is to beat the Oakland Raiders and Carson Palmer come Sunday. That’s part of what we’re here for.”

    When Dalton and Palmer exchange pleasantries during pregame warmups, it will be the first time they have met. With last year’s lockout wiping out the offseason, the only time players were truly questioned about Palmer was during voluntary workouts.

    • Joe Reedy’s Bengals blog

    The message remained consistent until Palmer was traded – it was his choice to retire rather than play for the Bengals. After a 4-2 start last season, the trade for Palmer went through when the Raiders offered first- and second-round draft picks after Jason Campbell got injured.

    “It’s great to show that they had the confidence in me to do something like that, because I guess at any time he could have walked in the door. Or they could not have done the trade. I don’t know,” Dalton said. “Everything’s worked out. For me, it’s perfect. I got to play all last year, got to start and didn’t have to worry about any of that stuff.”

    When asked if he kept in touch with Palmer, Lewis said he has spoken to him by text a couple of times, but that was it.

    “Carson had a good career here. His family is great, but he no longer plays here,” Lewis said. “I don’t think we need to spend any more time talking about it. It’s no different from any other player that played here and comes back. It’s part of the NFL and professional sports.”

    Palmer’s return comes at a time when it appears Dalton has played his two most consistent games of the year. After throwing for a career-high four touchdowns against the Giants, Dalton completed 18 of 29 for 230 yards and a pair of touchdowns against the Chiefs.

    He has not thrown an interception in the last two games and has four games this season where his passer rating has been over 100. With 20 touchdowns, he has already matched last season’s total.

    “I think I’m really comfortable back there with everything we’re doing, whether it be protections or route concepts or stuff like that. So the more I’m playing and the more experience I get, the more comfortable I feel,” Dalton said.

    Lewis has also been happy with Dalton’s efficiency, especially in the red zone. Over the past three games, the Bengals have scored touchdowns on nine of 12 trips.

    Palmer and the Raiders have lost three straight, including a 38-17 decision to New Orleans on Sunday, to drop to 3-7. With a running game that is ranked 31st in the league, Palmer has five 300-yard games and six where he has had 40 attempts or more. He has thrown 17 touchdowns and 11 interceptions.

    Even more important for Lewis, Sunday’s game is another in what looks to be a favorable stretch. With Indianapolis and Pittsburgh losing Sunday, the Bengals find themselves just one game out of a wild card spot and a game clear of a logjam of five teams that are 4-6. Over the next four games, the Bengals face only one team that has a record of .500 or better (5-5 Dallas on Dec. 9).

    The postseason picture, though, will probably take a backseat considering who is coming to town. So far the game hasn’t drawn much of a reaction from fans. The Bengals’ ticket office said “plenty of seats” remain available for the game but that an aggressive push is on to get it sold out.

    Said Bengals linebacker and former Raider Thomas Howard: “I think the media will have a great time talking about it. Carson coming back and the fans should enjoy it. I’m expecting a good football game.”

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 2:57 pm

    if tim tebow got a shot,

    there is no justification for not giving pryor his shot
    =============================================

    Yeah, but those are completely different circumstances. Denver moved up in the draft to take Teblows. They paid a lot for him and Dungver fan wanted to see what he could do. We didn’t pay a lot for Pryor. Playing in front of Teblows was Orton, who was a journeyman Q (at best) who came along as a throw in for the Jay Cutler deal. Orton played decently, but the Buncos were not winning. So fans, (primarily fundamental Christian fans) wanted to see what Teblows could do. Elway, Fox and co. knew he was not an NFL caliber player and put him in just to shut the fans up. Well, the rest is NFL history.

    That is different from here. Here, we paid A LOT for an overall number one who is the undisputed starter. The starter has played well. There is little if anything to gain from benching Palmer, who we paid a lst and a 2nd for, and putting in a guy just to see what he can do to cater to a small group of seemingly foolish fans. (No offense). As I said, say Pryor plays poorly, well, you probably rushed him in there too soon and might have ruined the player. Let’s say Pryor plays lights out, well you just gutted a player you paid a lst and a 2nd for, now what do you do with him? Bench him? Trade him for a 7th rounder? Have a HUGE QB controversy? Not a lot of upside in this “play Pryor” scenario. More bad things can happen than good.

  • Ghosttoothepost

    Alex Smith will be available soon.
    He won’t even have to change zip codes.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    funny but monte poole is saying exactly what i have been saying all of this time.’

    only differnce is i said it before it happened.

    “palmer look lost” struggling with turn overs

    dhb has become an after thought only the last 2 games has he emerged from carsons dog house

    moore has regressed

    this team stinks

  • qodrn1

    More stuff from Joe Reedy:

    BENGALS (5-5) VS. RAIDERS (3-7)

    Kickoff: 1 p.m. Sunday; Paul Brown Stadium

    TV: CBS with Bill Macatee and Steve Tasker. If the game is not sold out by 1 p.m. on Thursday, it will be blacked out in Cincinnati, Dayton and Lexington, Ky. The Bengals ticket office will be open from 9 a.m.-5 p.m. today or by calling 866-621-8383.

    Series: Raiders lead 20-8 but Bengals lead 7-6 in games in Cincinnati.

    Bengals league rankings: Offense is 15th (20th rushing, 10th passing); Defense is 17th (18th rushing, 15th passing).

    Raiders league rankings: Offense is 9th (31st rushing, 6th passing); Defense is 24th (23rd rushing, 24th passing).

    RAIDERS TO WATCH

    QB Carson Palmer: The former Bengal has had at least 200 yards passing as a Raider in 16 straight games, which is a franchise record. He has also passed for 300 yards or more in three straight games for the first time in his career, including 312 in last Sunday’s loss to New Orleans.

    TE Brandon Myers: Has emerged as a favorite target of Palmer. The fourth-year player leads the team with 50 catches for 544 yards. Myers is averaging 11.1 yards per reception and has posted five catches of 20 yards or more.

    S Tyvon Branch: Leads the team in tackles with 109 and has one interception.

    KEY NUMBER

    41: Pass plays of 20 yards or more by Oakland, which is tied for third in the league. Indianapolis has 45 and Denver 44. Of those 41 plays, six have gone for touchdowns.

    CONNECTIONS

    Former Bengals: Palmer was a 2003 first-round draft selection (first overall pick) and played for the Bengals from 2003-10.

    Local: S Mike Mitchell is from Fort Thomas, Ky. (Highlands High School) and played at Ohio University

    Others of note: QB Terrelle Pryor played at Ohio State. … Tight ends coach Mark Hutson coached at Murray State from 1993-97.

  • qodrn1

    Why is it that every team the Raiders play is coming off its best games of the season and is in an uptick?

  • Ghosttoothepost

    Dakota Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 3:08 pm

    JLofty Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
    Dude I was trying to be funny. I read all your posts unless you fall into the politic rabbit hole.
    I was totally kidding. Of the vast majority of seriously deranged and literally disabled posters in here you are on the other end of the spectrum. Irony lost….
    ++++++++++

    This is obviously one of the smarter commentators in here….
    =======================================================
    In review:
    You insult poster.
    Poster says lighten up.
    You say poster is second coming of Einstein.

    Yes, an odd board with all kinds of odd socks.

  • Que

    Ghosttoothepost Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 12:10 pm
    oakfoshow Says:
    November 21st, 2012 at 11:39 am

    Were you on vacation that MONTH?
    Hue went in FRONT OF CAMERA, and flapped his lips, to where everyone who heard it immediately knew he just signed his own pink slip.
    Immediately.
    Of course Reggie went elsewhere.
    Last thing he or any new GM needs is a mouthy primadonna HC who just stated to the WORLD THAT HE’S EARNED THE RIGHT TO BE HC AND TO MAKE DECISIONS REGARDING THE ORGANIZATION.

    He “earned the right”???

    And a new GM should keep that guy, who just made it clear he doesn’t want to be told what to do, that he’s “earned the right” to make his own decisions???

    Hue became a joke. A laughingstock.
    But memories are short.
    Feel free to go look it up. Go to any Raider board, and there are threads after threads of Hue opening mouth/inserting foot
    ======================
    And alot of us think he did earn the right,he worked his a$$,was original,competed and came up short.I heard what he said.Big fkn deal.He deserved another year.

    =========================================
    That’s why everyone is entitled to an opinion.

    he didn’t work his a$$ off. He spent more time polishing his head, and his toe nails, than improving the team.
    This same primadonna sat DHB, and lied on why he did. Sat others, and caught lying about that as well.
    Trades he made were suspect.
    Across the NFL, much less Raider fan, noticed his swelled head, and primadonna comments.
    Guess you just give everyone a pass, regardless of what they do

    I am laughing so hard at this. I wanna thank you for this laugh and im a hue jackson fan but I thought and said at the time . The GM has the right to get his guy. I still believe we all are oever reacting on this season. I still believe the oakland raiders will be one of the top 5 teams in a couple years. Reggie and dennis took the job and im glad they did. How many would have , how many were willing? GO raiders and Happy Holidays to everyone on here.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Pryor would not be starting for the Raiders if Al were still alive; Peyton Manning would.

  • Derek

    Coaches matter. remember cassel played well in NE under a great coach and bombed in KC with lousy coaches. Flynn did great in GB under great coaching/schemes, now he sux.

    Raiders offense top 10 under good coaching, same guys now blow with bad coaches/schemes.