Playing Bengals stokes ongoing debates about Palmer, Jackson
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 at 3:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Well, here we are. The week has arrived when people can dredge up whether the Raiders made the right decision in firing coach Hue Jackson and whether the trade Jackson engineered for quarterback Carson Palmer was worth it or not.
Oh, and Sunday’s game against the Cincicnnati Bengals just happens to be Palmer’s first game against the team that selected him No. 1 overall in the 2003 NFL draft.
Make no mistake, it’s going to be fans and media doing most of the talking in the run up to the game. Jackson isn’t talking, Lewis isn’t shedding much light on Palmer turning his back on the Bengals, and Palmer is taking the high road.
“I’m not going to dive back into that,” Palmer said. “To me, this is three seasons later, two seasons later. That was in the past. I’m here now. I don’t want to dive into that.”
Palmer forced the Bengals hand last season by saying he would retire rather than play for them again. The Bengals said that they wouldn’t trade Palmer.
Ultimately, the Raiders pried away Palmer from the Bengals last season for a 2012 first-round pick and a 2013 second-rounder just before the trade deadline, in response to starter Jason Campbell suffering a season-ending collarbone injury.
The trade set off an ongoing debate as to whether the Raiders got fleeced and if Palmer is a better option than Campbell.
It says here, the Raiders had no choice, and who cares if they overpaid. They weren’t going anywhere with Kyle Boller as the starter.
Sure enough, Palmer guided the Raiders within one game of winning the AFC West and their first playoff berth in nine seasons.
Lewis said it looks as if Palmer is having fun with the Raiders. Palmer said he didn’t have any fun during his final season with the Bengals.
Palmer said he and former teammates have talked about how things ended in Cincinnati, without elaborating.
“I have seen guys, run into guys back in San Diego, talked, texted,” Palmer said. “Anybody that’s ever played for that ownership knows what I was doing and why I was doing it.”
Still, there remains a sizable faction bitter over the trade, with much of the venom directed at Jackson.
Lo and behold, Jackson ended up in Cincinnati, where is coaching the cornerbacks and helping out on special teams. One of his prized pupils is Bengals cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick, the players selected by the Bengals with the first-rounder they received from the Raiders as part of the Palmer trade.
“He’s been great,” Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said of Jackson in a conference call. “He’s been a great asset to me, having spent the year again as a coordinator and then as a head coach. He sees everything from a completely different perspective than other assistant coaches and position coaches do. His knowledge of offense has been incredible to go along with our defensive staff.”
On and on Lewis went in extolling the virtues of Jackson, who was fired by the Raiders shortly after last season ended.
“He’s a great technician as a coach and he sees the details and he sees the big picture,” Lewis said. “That’s why he’s so special as a coach. He can see both the detail work you have to have to be great but he can also see the entire big picture. He’s done that same thing in helping with and working with the special teams and our special teams coach as he coaches his segments. He envisions those plays as almost offensive plays and so forth. He comes with that enthusiasm and everything. It’s been great.”
For Jackson’s part, he steered clear of delving into much about the Palmer trade and being fired by the Raiders.
“It’s really another football game,” Jackson told Bengals writers. “For me, it is. it has to be. You can’t get caught up in the emotional part of it because that’s not what this is about. This is about winning and losing. There’s a team that’s really hungry, very talented. They have some big-time players that are going to try to come here and win a game. And we’re finding ourselves and we have to do everything we can to win a football game.”
Lewis said he thinks Jackson deserves another shot at being an NFL head coach. It remains to be seen whether Jackson will get that opportunity.
Already, Jackson’s name has been mentioned as a possibility for the Cal coaching vacancy. Jackson coached at Cal earlier in his career.
Palmer said he is “excited” about the prospect of playing in front of the fans that once cheered his every move from 2003-10.
“It’s a big game,” Palmer said. “But it’s obviously a much bigger game for our team. We have to get a win. We’re going to fight, we’re going to grind this week. We have a lot of room for improvement, a lot of areas we need to improve on. Obviously, going into Cincinnati, it’s a big game.”
For McKenzie and the Raiders too. You can bet that McKenzie and owner Mark Davis want a victory Sunday for more reasons than the fact the Raiders are in the midst of a three-game losing streak.
Asked if he has any regrets about forcing his way out of Cincinnati, Palmer said: “No regrets.”
Let the debates continue.
– Most players that were here for either or both of Jackson’s two seasons with the Raiders held him in high regard. Naturally, there were those that didn’t warm to Jackson, for one reason or another.
Running back Darren McFadden enjoyed his best seasons under Jackson’s play-calling. He remains appreciative for the time and effort Jackson took in finding a way to get the most from McFadden’s ability.
“I felt like he helped me a whole lot, just building my confidence in the league and he gave me the opportunity to show folks I can go out there and run the ball the way I do,” McFadden said.
McFadden rushed for a career-high 1,157 yards in 2010 and 614 in seven games last season. Both seasons, he averaged more than 5 yards per carry. He hasn’t averaged more than 4.4 yards in any of his three other NFL seasons, including a 3.3 mark this season.
Jackson made a point of talking about how he pulled aside McFadden in 2010 and asked him which plays he liked to run and then relied upon those plays in games.
“I just felt he tried to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers on offense,” McFadden said, “and I felt like that was something he did with us well, and that’s something he can do anywhere that he’s at.”
McFadden said he and Jackson have exchanged texts since Jackson was fired and that if a team is willing to give Jackson another shot at being a head coach in the NFL that “they’ll have a great head coach.”
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey is another player that flourished under Jackson’s tutelage.
Jackson said he and then-offensive coordinator Al Saunders determined the things that Heyward-Bey does best and concentrated on those things in games.
Heyward-Bey responded with career-highs in receptions (64), yards (975) and touchdowns (4) last season. Heyward-Bey has 28 catches for 440 yards and three touchdowns so far this season.
“He just saw the work I put in,” Heyward-Bey said. “He believed in me. He was the type of coach that, he will call plays because he wanted to see if you were going to make a play. He did that the years he was here.”
Heyward-Bey said he also enjoyed Jackson’s gutsy play-calling.
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain said he enjoyed the energy and passion that Jackson brought to the team. He certainly didn’t expect the Raiders to fire Jackson after an 8-8 season.
“I guess you never know what’s going to happen, especially not with this team,” McClain said. “I guess you never know what will happen. That’s just the business that we’re in. It caught me by surprise. I didn’t expect it.”
– No emotional send-offs for veteran linebacker Aaron Curry. At least not from coach Allen.
When asked whether Curry’s departure owed to Curry’s knee injuries or an inability to make the defense better, Allen wasted little time responding.
“We just didn’t feel like he was a fit for us moving forward,” Allen said, without elaborating.
Guess there really isn’t a need when the answer is that succinct.
– Wide receiver Denarius Moore and Palmer at times in recent games looked as if they were playing together for the first time.
Only one of seven passes directed for Moore against the Saints found the mark. Against the Buccaneers, a late pass by Palmer ended up in the arms of a Bucs defensive back, with Moore breaking toward the middle of the field, away from the ball.
Allen said everyone has a share of blame for Palmer and Moore not being on the same page as often as desired.
“It’s all of our responsibility,” Allen said. “First of all, all of us need to look internally at what we need to do better to make this thing work. And then, collectively, as a group, how can we work to make this better?”
Part of the issue also stems from Moore being a second-year player, still acclimating to the NFL and learning a new offense for the second straight season.
“Yeah, and that’s what happens when you have young players,” Allen said. “There’s a growing process, and Denarius is still continuing to grow and he’s going to continue to get better, but it’s part of the process.”
Palmer said he bears the brunt of the responsibility.
“I need to look at the film and see what happens and we need to sit down and talk about it,” Palmer said after the Saints game. “He’s our go-to guy. He’s our No. 1 receiver, he’s got a lot of plays for him and we haven’t had a ton of time on task and that’s why some of the miscommunication things come up.
“The guy had a bad hamstring injury all offseason, all training camp, there’s times it shows and it’s my fault. He’s a second-year guy, we need to do a better job getting on the same page with him, seeing things the way he sees ‘em and I need to improve in that aspect.”
– Allen said it’s possible that the vacancy on the 53-man roster created by waiving Curry on Tuesday will be filled by signing a player from the practice squad.
– Allen still isn’t sure when McFadden, Mike Goodson or Richard Seymour will be able to get back on the field. All he can do for now is remain hopeful. None of the three practiced Wednesday.
“Well, I don’t know when they’ll be back,” Allen said. “Hopefully they all will be back soon. All I can tell you is they are all rehabbing. Tyvon was out here practicing today. They’re going to rehab as fast as they can and when they’re healthy they’ll be back out here.”
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November 21st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
yeah!
November 21st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Carson Palmer Greatest Raider QB of ALL TIME !
November 21st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
have said that ej manual and geno smith are the best qbs in the draft, and i think manual is the guy i like a little better.
I would love to draft that kid
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Agreed.
I like Geno. Would love to have him.
EJ though has the ‘intangibles’ is really tough, very smart, good athlete.
I’d love EJ and he could be had in the mid to late 1st I think. We could trade down and get him and a 2nd.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
yo
November 21st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
FIREREGGIENOW!
November 21st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
if tim tebow got a shot,
there is no justification for not giving pryor his shot
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Yeah, but those are completely different circumstances. Denver moved up in the draft to take Teblows. They paid a lot for him and Dungver fan wanted to see what he could do. We didn’t pay a lot for Pryor. Playing in front of Teblows was Orton, who was a journeyman Q (at best) who came along as a throw in for the Jay Cutler deal. Orton played decently, but the Buncos were not winning. So fans, (primarily fundamental Christian fans) wanted to see what Teblows could do. Elway, Fox and co. knew he was not an NFL caliber player and put him in just to shut the fans up. Well, the rest is NFL history.
That is different from here. Here, we paid A LOT for an overall number one who is the undisputed starter. The starter has played well. There is little if anything to gain from benching Palmer, who we paid a lst and a 2nd for, and putting in a guy just to see what he can do to cater to a small group of seemingly foolish fans. (No offense). As I said, say Pryor plays poorly, well, you probably rushed him in there too soon and might have ruined the player. Let’s say Pryor plays lights out, well you just gutted a player you paid a lst and a 2nd for, now what do you do with him? Bench him? Trade him for a 7th rounder? Have a HUGE QB controversy? Not a lot of upside in this “play Pryor” scenario. More bad things can happen than good.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
“I guess you never know what’s going to happen, especially not with this team,”
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I know what’s gonna happen with you come Feb. 1, Ro.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
if tim tebow got a shot,
there is no justification for not giving pryor his shot
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Yeah, but those are completely different circumstances.
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that is beside the point that i am making.
your comment that he ‘wasnt ready” to be an nfl qb because of mechanics and so on should be thrown out.
tebow had more questions that anyone i can remember yet he is on the feild leading a playoff run last year.
if tebow can have a chance pryor should too. the questions around pryor are nearly as drastic
November 21st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
I’m not counting on seeing McFadden,Seymour or Goodson this weekend…. I’d rather see Reese get the ball anyway …. And Seymour hasn’t been a factor for a while… Goodsons still in a boot … He’s not playing
November 21st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
funny but monte poole is saying exactly what i have been saying all of this time.’
only differnce is i said it before it happened.
“palmer look lost” struggling with turn overs
dhb has become an after thought only the last 2 games has he emerged from carsons dog house
moore has regressed
this team stinks
November 21st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I was shocked when Hue got wacked. He had balls, was brash and cocky, and the players responded and then choked at the end of the year due to our weak D. Hue was all things Raider !
November 21st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Weird that fans wanted Hue gone, when he brought Raider pride amand cockiness …. Swagger to our team.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Reese was busting tackles last weekend… Good to see , he’s a ball’r
November 21st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
We have zero swagger now
November 21st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
that is beside the point that i am making.
your comment that he ‘wasnt ready” to be an nfl qb because of mechanics and so on should be thrown out.
tebow had more questions that anyone i can remember yet he is on the feild leading a playoff run last year.
if tebow can have a chance pryor should too. the questions around pryor are nearly as drastic
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No it isn’t because Teblows was primarily used for his running ability when he lst started. Didn’t he throw like seven passes in one of his starts? You are not going to win in the modern NFL that way.
If you want to say that you are basically going to use Terrell Pryor as a wildcat back with throwing options is kind of silly. As I have said for months now, what wins in the NFL is the strong, accurate, tough pocket passer. The Peyton, Brady, Rothleisberger, Eli type of player. We have one of those. To throw it all out and develop some gimmick offense, like Teblow that got figured out 6 games into his career? That is crazy.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Awesome news, Dweebs
Just licensed (aka stole) Don’t Call It a Comeback for my official Beeech Dawg the Entertainer entrance song for my comedy gigs
I’ll have 4 or 5 drunk strippers dressed as ring girls and I’ll come out all buffed out and ready to rumble – joke style
Gonna have to step up my sit up routine to 1500 a day, natch
My fans are going to go straight up NUTZ
November 21st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
BabySlash Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I was shocked when Hue got wacked. He had balls, was brash and cocky, and the players responded and then choked at the end of the year due to our weak D. Hue was all things Raider !
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Raiders don’t get their nails done.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
BabySlash Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
We have zero swagger now
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amen
November 21st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
We have zero Swagger now”…. True… We don’t even have a defense that can stop a troop of blind girlscouts … Can’t argue about swagger… Zero.. And for good reason…
November 21st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
beechy dawg there you are. lets go back to the crib and play albert poohole.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
BabySlash
Agree 100%.
Hue had a personality and guys didn’t like his interviews? Whatever. If you took issue with the 1-4 record down the stretch, that’s fair but he was one play away from the playoffs which is more than I can say about any other HC since 2002.
This team has zero personality.
And as the saying goes, teams take on the persona of their head coach.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
May you all have a Happy turkey day!
November 21st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
BabySlash
Agree 100%.
Hue had a personality and guys didn’t like his interviews? Whatever. If you took issue with the 1-4 record down the stretch, that’s fair but he was one play away from the playoffs which is more than I can say about any other HC since 2002.
This team has zero personality.
And as the saying goes, teams take on the persona of their head coach.
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agree 200%
November 21st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I thought maybe Mark took offense to Hues scene when Al died… I just though Hue was a little over the top… Hue:” I loved that man more than you’ll ever know”…
He may have been sincere but no telling how Mark took that… When I saw that I remember thinking it was a little over the top… Could very well be wrong.. But that’s what I thought..
November 21st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
fingers Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I thought maybe Mark took offense to Hues scene when Al died… I just though Hue was a little over the top… Hue:” I loved that man more than you’ll ever know”…
He may have been sincere but no telling how Mark took that… When I saw that I remember thinking it was a little over the top… Could very well be wrong.. But that’s what I thought..
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I don’t think that had anything to do with it.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
your comment that he ‘wasnt ready” to be an nfl qb because of mechanics and so on should be thrown out.
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That is the difference between college football and pro football. Look at Jamarcus Russell. Russell would carry the rock around his knees and then have a huge windup. That would work in college, but in the pro’s where DB’s routinely run 4.2-4.3 forties, taking a second+ to wind up, a DB could travel 10-12 yards. Which is exactly what happened. Guys who seemingly were open, we not only covered, the ball got picked. Same thing with Pryor. He has compacted his motion a lot, and that will help him.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Also could have been Hue saying he wanted more power or Say so in management… Who knows… But in anycase it’s water under the bridge..
November 21st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Hue had his shot and he crapped it down his leg with a 1-4 collapse to end the season, and by his demeanor at the end of the season. No one to blame but himself.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
fingers Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I thought maybe Mark took offense to Hues scene when Al died… I just though Hue was a little over the top… Hue:” I loved that man more than you’ll ever know”…
He may have been sincere but no telling how Mark took that… When I saw that I remember thinking it was a little over the top… Could very well be wrong.. But that’s what I thought..
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I don’t think that had anything to do with it.
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A lot of you guys don’t seem to remember ALL THE PROMISES Jackson made NONE OF WHICH came true. Jackson talked a good game. That’s what he did. He was going to build a bully. He built a sissy. He was going to get the defense under control. They got worse. He was going to get the penalties under control. We were the most penalized team IN LEAGUE HISTORY! He did NOTHING OTHER THAN TALK. He was like that idiot troll earlier today who talked and got his ass kicked. Talked and got his ass kicked even worse. Continued to talk, but said nothing, and got his ass handed to him even more…..
November 21st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I’m still backing Palmer… But that said… When they do play Pryor I hope it works….
November 21st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I think CP will have a huge game, put up gaudy numbers. He and Moore get back on the same page and offense rolls with Reece.
And we lose by 17.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:43 pm
No doubt about it …Hue was a talker….
November 21st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
La… Yep… I just don’t see that defense all of a sudden making plays… Could happen but I sure don’t see it happening based on what we’ve seen so far
November 21st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
24.fingers Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I thought maybe Mark took offense to Hues scene when Al died… I just though Hue was a little over the top… Hue:” I loved that man more than you’ll ever know”…
He may have been sincere but no telling how Mark took that… When I saw that I remember thinking it was a little over the top… Could very well be wrong.. But that’s what I thought..
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Mark wants to put his stamp on it and do things his way rather than his dad’s way. From all accounts, they didn’t get along so well. Publically, mark will say the right things and keep the Raider tradition at least superficially alive.
But in private, I imagine Mark is pretty bitter and possibly jealous.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:46 pm
The Fk’ing defense is beyond horrible
November 21st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
fingers Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
I’m still backing Palmer… But that said… When they do play Pryor I hope it works….
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Exactly. Having as many really good players as possible never hurts.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
La.. Sounds like a good take to me… I’ve heard they didn’t get along as well
November 21st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
What’s funny about our penalty situation…. we had a winning record in 10 and 11 in games with 9+ penalties.
We played hard and got penalized a lot. In an effort to get us to play ’smart,’ we now play like p*ssies.
And we still commit the DUMB penalties at inopportune times. Nothing has changed. Volume maybe less but still committing penalties in crucial situations.
November 21st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Seymour… Exactly… Palmers had no help…. He scores a TD and the defense gives it right back…
November 21st, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Or special teams gives up a return… Schidt… No wonder they suck
November 21st, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Bold statement: Palmer would be MVP candidate with a halfway decent defense and any other OC other than Knapp, including LA to TheBay.
He’s been a warrior out there
November 21st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Agree… Palmers made mistakes… But he’s always playing catch up or trying to carry the team…. Haven’t heard him throw anyone under the bus…
November 21st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I gotta get…. But you guys have a good thanksgiving… Peace…
Go Raiders….
November 21st, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Dang Dawgs, now I’m having second thoughts about the entrance song to my next comedy gig
While Don’t Call It a Comeback is hella dope, I also could get wiggity to Bad by MJ
Then I could have my zipper open just a crack and right in the middle of my dance the Beeeech Lawg could just fall out to overwhelming applause
Gonna have to practice that move in my shower
November 21st, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
that is beside the point that i am making.
your comment that he ‘wasnt ready” to be an nfl qb because of mechanics and so on should be thrown out.
tebow had more questions that anyone i can remember yet he is on the feild leading a playoff run last year.
if tebow can have a chance pryor should too. the questions around pryor are nearly as drastic
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No it isn’t because Teblows was primarily used for his running ability when he lst started. Didn’t he throw like seven passes in one of his starts? You are not going to win in the modern NFL that way.
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Regardless of how he was used or the offense was tailored for tebow, he was starting
pryor deserves a shot if this dude did
they went tot he playoffs and won, so i dont think you can write off the method they used
November 21st, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Hopefully, said coach Allen…
November 21st, 2012 at 4:04 pm
fingers Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I thought maybe Mark took offense to Hues scene when Al died… I just though Hue was a little over the top… Hue:” I loved that man more than you’ll ever know”…
He may have been sincere but no telling how Mark took that… When I saw that I remember thinking it was a little over the top… Could very well be wrong.. But that’s what I thought..
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doubt it
probably more to do with him saying ‘i want more power” and insinuating that the office was clueless with out his input.
You cant say that about your boss in any job, let alone after a 8-8 season and the absurd gamble of a trade.
The trashing of players and coaches was also a poor choice and showed a sever lack of professional ethic. This clashed with what jr and big mack wanted to do in order to rebuild the brand
im sure this is why he isnt saying anything now, lesson learned the hard way
November 21st, 2012 at 4:05 pm
“I just felt he tried to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers on offense,” McFadden said, “and I felt like that was something he did with us well
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You hear that Knapp you effin POS!
November 21st, 2012 at 4:07 pm
@28: totally agree. Huge is the reason he is not employed in Oakland any longer. He talked his way into that job and seems like he talked his way right out of it too.
Too bad for everyone. But life moves on. At least for most people….except for most of the folks in here that is.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
your comment that he ‘wasnt ready” to be an nfl qb because of mechanics and so on should be thrown out.
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That is the difference between college football and pro football.
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this has zero to do with my point though
tebow a painfully flawed qb got his shot
pryor with not nearly as many warts on his passing game should also get his
simple really
November 21st, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Rob Ryan vs RGIII tomorrow. Who do you guys like?
November 21st, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Looking forward to Liz & Dick on Sunday night
Not really a huge fan of Lindsay Lohan, but I dry humped her once in a parking lot, so I feel like I kind of owe it to the poor gal
Guess that’s why they call it the blues
November 21st, 2012 at 4:13 pm
RGIII…
November 21st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Being a Raider fan and participating in this blog is like being stuck in the movie Ground Hog Day.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Being a Raider fan and participating in this blog is like being stuck in the movie Ground Hog Day.
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ahhh, there are subtle differences, hard to find but they are there.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Mark doesn’t want anything that the Raiders are doing moving forward, to do with what the Raiders did in the past with his father.
Thats why it’s a “new” era of excellence but with the same results. Mark thought it was best to not build off of the little bit of excitement/wins this team created last year on offense and now we arrived to this point.
He did what Al did at times-moves that were not in the best interest of this team. You don’t make drastic changes for the sake of change…
November 21st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Being a Raider fan and participating in this blog is like being stuck in the movie Ground Hog Day.
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Why don’t you participate in kicking rocks, Bigelow
November 21st, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Can either of you enlighten me as to what you are looking at, to even have a glimmer of hope that this team lead by this coaching staff has even a remote possibility of finishing strong, playing well at the end of this season?
All i see is regression.
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Honestly, no. But lets try. Holding Branch and Seymour out, might be able to give them a little life for the last quarter of the season. They are our two best defenders and frankly both of them are worn out. A couple or more weeks off has got to help.
Offensively the number one thing to me is McFadden has been completely useless. But Reece sure looked good. Getting Khalif Barnes back is going to help. If we could just get someone on the interior of the line to play well (Bergstrom, Nix?), that might shore up the line enough, with Reece or Stewart igniting the offense. Forget Moore, Criner is the guy who has to emerge along with Hagan and Streator. But the operative word in this whole thing is “might”.
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I did not go back and re-watch the NO game, hit delete a little faster than usual.
Did NO stack the box? I can’t count how many times McFadden has just secured the ball this year and there are already two defenders crushing him. He was being keyed on, whilst this O-line attempted to figure out the ZBS.
It appeared to me Reece had far bigger lanes to run in than I’ve seen all year.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Beeech you’re more than a superstar
You’ll be famous for longer then them
Your name is tattooed on every boy’s skin
Beeech you’re more than a superstar
you’re the train that crashed my heart
You’re the glitter in the dark
Beeech you’re more than a suṗerstar
And in this old horror show
I’ve got to let you know
That Beeech you’re more than a superstar
November 21st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Being a Raider fan and participating in this blog is like being stuck in the movie Ground Hog Day.
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Why don’t you participate in kicking rocks, Bigelow
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Why don’t you come up with some new shtick?
November 21st, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Regardless of how he was used or the offense was tailored for tebow, he was starting
pryor deserves a shot if this dude did
they went tot he playoffs and won, so i dont think you can write off the method they used
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Jesus Miss Dick!!
Stop beating around the bush and just say Pryor aint gettin a shot cause he is a black man.
You are freakin the most PATHETIC troll I ever seen on a blog.
You are a POS
November 21st, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Yeah Drexl, I deleted mine a bit quick too. I think it was right around the time Leinert started heading onto the field…
November 21st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
The Beeech Dawg Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Being a Raider fan and participating in this blog is like being stuck in the movie Ground Hog Day.
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Why don’t you participate in kicking rocks, Bigelow
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Why don’t you come up with some new shtick?
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If your mother knew you just wrote “shtick” on a football blog, she’d send you to bed without any undies
November 21st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
JLofty Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Yeah Drexl, I deleted mine a bit quick too. I think it was right around the time Leinert started heading onto the field…
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lmao, thats about the same time mine disapeared.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Pryor getting a shot has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Tim Tebow. Nothing. It never will have anything to do with it unless we, God Forbid, trade/acquire Mr. Tebow.
Terrell Pryor getting his shot in the NFL will be the day some coaches think, hey I think I can win an NFL game with this kid/man at QB….
November 21st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Lofty
Exactly!!!
Nothing more Nothing less!!
November 21st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Yes I think Reece had bigger holes, but he was running well, better, imho, than DMac has ALL year. He did not look like a first time tailback. I mean the guy was a WR in college and has played Fullback for a while here. But damn didn’t he look the part of a solid footballer….
November 21st, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Anyone know when Reg is slated to give his “State of The Raiders” address?
November 21st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Regardless of how he was used or the offense was tailored for tebow, he was starting
pryor deserves a shot if this dude did
they went tot he playoffs and won, so i dont think you can write off the method they used
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Jesus Miss Dick!!
Stop beating around the bush and just say Pryor aint gettin a shot cause he is a black man.
You are freakin the most PATHETIC troll I ever seen on a blog.
You are a POS
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you have a problem that isnt at all what i was saying
someone made the comment that pryor “wasnt ready’ because of some so called flaws in his passing game.
i responded that no qb has had more flaws than tebow, and if tebow got a shot then pryor also deserves one as he is a better passer than tebow
stfu
November 21st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Dakota Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Hue had his shot and he crapped it down his leg with a 1-4 collapse to end the season, and by his demeanor at the end of the season. No one to blame but himself.
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Hypocrisy gone wild.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
JLofty Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Pryor getting a shot has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Tim Tebow. Nothing. It never will have anything to do with it unless we, God Forbid, trade/acquire Mr. Tebow.
Terrell Pryor getting his shot in the NFL will be the day some coaches think, hey I think I can win an NFL game with this kid/man at QB….
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not so fast
tebow is a qb with big time passing issues yet he has had a chance to play many games and started
pryor is a better passer and he should also get his shot, and you cant use his passing game as a way to keep him off the field in a failed season
if tebow gets a chance in the nfl at starting qb, then pryor should as well
November 21st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
How does one have anything to do with the other?
November 21st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
In fact im almost certain that if when we get blown out of the bungles bowl pryor will be up next not long after.
Failing to play him in a failed season will only hasten the falling of the axe on allens neck.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I agree that if we lose a couple more games that Pryor should at least get some reps. But who the hell knows what these coache are gonna do?
Logic and Raider coaching are not compatable
November 21st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Funny most of the fans that i spek with here in oakland are now squarely on the pryor train, and have completely bailed on carson.
Most are fed up with the turn overs and losses, and want to see what tp6 can do with a few games
November 21st, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Hey fans ,
I would like to let every one know we are working hard to correct this offense. I believe in the system since it worked perfectly at houston. All we need is a couple of players on the oline and at running back. We have a franchise QB and the defense will take care of its self. Patients is a virtue . Dennis and I will sail this ship in the right direction.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Fvck you Knapp!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Funny most of the fans that i spek with here in oakland are now squarely on the pryor train, and have completely bailed on carson.
Most are fed up with the turn overs and losses, and want to see what tp6 can do with a few games
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The people you speak to must not be too bright. Are those the same guys you have to maintain your blog cred with?
November 21st, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I worried that Knapp is gonna get Reece killed.
November 21st, 2012 at 4:55 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
How does one have anything to do with the other?
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they are both qbs that came out with questions about their ability to throw the ball.
tebow was allowed to play qb and start
pryor who is a far better passer should also get the nod.
they both backed up established nfl qbs in losing seasons
allen saw tebow in denver and how it played out and that is why pryor has been in street clothes.
I suggested this at the beginning of the year that pryor would not lay because allen wanted to defuse any controversy before it started.
I think pryor has vastly under rated talent and if he does see the field there will be a controversy.
H
November 21st, 2012 at 4:57 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I agree that if we lose a couple more games that Pryor should at least get some reps. But who the hell knows what these coache are gonna do?
Logic and Raider coaching are not compatable
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We disagree
pryor should get to start a few games and play the full game
i dont agree with just “some reps” or ‘a package” or ‘wildcat”
he seemed to get better as he played and i want to see him with at least the last 4 games of the year
November 21st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I take it Hue was more player oriented, Knapp more scheme oriented.
Wonder what DA adds to the offense?
November 21st, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I get what you are saying but the situations are totally irrelevant.
Wrong place wrong time, just the way things go.
My only issue with Pryor seeing the field right now is as terrible as we are he could get killed and in turn be ruined for any shot he may have had in the future.
Confience wise I mean..
November 21st, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Mark davis doing his best al jr was awesome.
Dont think for a second that allen and the staff are safe, nor are the players and that includes all holdovers
November 21st, 2012 at 5:00 pm
* confidence
November 21st, 2012 at 5:01 pm
I hope no one is safe.
Their product sucks.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Im out
ill be back around the biggest game of carsons career and one of his legacy games as a raider
BUNGLES BOWL 2012
November 21st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I cannot believe what I just read…..Seymour Bush I’m very surprised at you with this kind of logic and then to top it off to say it not a good thing. Makes no sense to me. How in the world could TP6 having great game bee a bad thing. That is the most upside out of that situation possible. QB contraversy or not to have a talent like TP play well bodes extremely well for this org. A young talented QB drafted by the late owner is exactly what you want Palmer can’t play forever to have a young talented QB pushing him is exactly what this team needs desparately. But I think what you don’t like about it is he was drafted by the “late owner” it seems anything he does you don’t like it even if it’s great………..what an agenda!!
This is some backwards thinking if I’ve ever seen any…
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That is different from here. Here, we paid A LOT for an overall number one who is the undisputed starter. The starter has played well. There is little if anything to gain from benching Palmer, who we paid a lst and a 2nd for, and putting in a guy just to see what he can do to cater to a small group of seemingly foolish fans. (No offense). As I said, say Pryor plays poorly, well, you probably rushed him in there too soon and might have ruined the player. Let’s say Pryor plays lights out, well you just gutted a player you paid a lst and a 2nd for, now what do you do with him? Bench him? Trade him for a 7th rounder? Have a HUGE QB controversy? Not a lot of upside in this “play Pryor” scenario. More bad things can happen than good.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
That Monte Poole article was spot on about Carson. All thse ppl on here saying Carson having CAREER YEAR LOL.. F’n meaninless yards.. with knapp.
THe offense has ZERO DIRECTION.. its like one big bad pickup sandlot type game. Like Carson got some of his friends to get to play a pickup football game and he is just winging wherever.
Terrible.
Now Mark Davis is wishing he could get his f’n money back with DA.
I told that guy should have put a get out of the contract clause after 1 year. Grass isnt always greener now without HUEY is it?
November 21st, 2012 at 5:04 pm
ppl just tyring to justify that horrible trade for Palmer. You know the trade were cincy fleeced the Raiders..
Then fired the coach that brought him here. LOL Only the f’n raiders.
Like i said Cincy fleeced the Raiders in that trade. still gonna give them a High 2nd pick this year for a INT machine
November 21st, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
if tim tebow got a shot,
there is no justification for not giving pryor his shot
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T There is little if anything to gain from benching Palmer, who we paid a lst and a 2nd for, and putting in a guy just to see what he can do to cater to a small group of seemingly foolish fans.
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Playing pryor has nothing to do with ‘pleasing the seemingly foolish fans”
it is prudent diligence
pryor needs to be evaluated pre draft to know if he is the heir apparent
that is why he should play the last 4 games instead of the known commodity ( turn over machine)palmer.
if he isnt then the raiders can focus on drafting that player
very simple
November 21st, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Us foolish fans who want the best for this team desire a future worth contemplating. We have gone decades with unsuccessful QB drafts and we wnat it to end. Whether it’s by the “late owner” you hate or not. CP3 has played well but at best he has 3 years left of high level production. Take a look at Indy and WHO they got rid of to get and play who they got. Palmer is no where near Manning yet these short sighted haters want to hang on to Palmer than move on with a young up and coming wave of teh future talent like TP6 becuase it might hurt Palmers feelings. …..what an agenda!! This is LUNACY…period
November 21st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I wonder what kind of trade value Palmer has?
November 21st, 2012 at 5:10 pm
“Their product sucks.”
Truedat!
Peace Nation. Be thankful for something important because the GAME of football really isn’t in the big scheme of things….
November 21st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I wonder what kind of trade value Palmer has?
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zero
November 21st, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
if tim tebow got a shot,
there is no justification for not giving pryor his shot
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T There is little if anything to gain from benching Palmer, who we paid a lst and a 2nd for, and putting in a guy just to see what he can do to cater to a small group of seemingly foolish fans.
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Playing pryor has nothing to do with ‘pleasing the seemingly foolish fans”
it is prudent diligence
pryor needs to be evaluated pre draft to know if he is the heir apparent
that is why he should play the last 4 games instead of the known commodity ( turn over machine)palmer.
if he isnt then the raiders can focus on drafting that player
very simple
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Niners fans are drunk with euphoria over what Kappy did on MNF, but these shortsighted Raiders are scared to hurt Palmers feelings because somehow he is sooo great and has won so many games for us that they can’t bare to see him lose his job.
What an agenda!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 5:14 pm
“This is LUNACY…period”
You want lunacy?!? You’ve come to the right place!!
November 21st, 2012 at 5:16 pm
“What an agenda!!”
Niner fans HATE Alex Smith, what YOU’RE agenda?
November 21st, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Knapp does not have the imagination to play Pryor.
Nothing like that is in his playbook.
If DA told Knapp to design a play for TP, They would find Knapp the next morning dead from having to think.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:16 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I wonder what kind of trade value Palmer has?
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I’m sure the Jets would take him, maybe a third rounder?
November 21st, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I see Palmer the same way Patriot fans saw their QB before Brady took over. Either play well enough to keep your job or else. The fault is Palmers if indeed Pryor outplays him and no on else’s…………period
November 21st, 2012 at 5:19 pm
A 3 rd rounder for an elite QB???????
November 21st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
So the moral of Corks article is basically that all of our primary offensive weapons were actually thriving and giving significant contributions to the team under Hue Jackson’s offense.
Now under Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp, they have all regressed and look woefully pitiful.
Thanks Cork.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:24 pm
“I felt like he helped me a whole lot, just building my confidence in the league and he gave me the opportunity to show folks I can go out there and run the ball the way I do,” McFadden said. Hue!!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey is another player that flourished under Jackson’s tutelage.
Jackson said he and then-offensive coordinator Al Saunders determined the things that Heyward-Bey does best and concentrated on those things in games.
Heyward-Bey responded with career-highs in receptions (64), yards (975) and touchdowns (4) last season. Heyward-Bey has 28 catches for 440 yards and three touchdowns so far this season.
“He just saw the work I put in,” Heyward-Bey said. “He believed in me. He was the type of coach that, he will call plays because he wanted to see if you were going to make a play. He did that the years he was here.”
Heyward-Bey said he also enjoyed Jackson’s gutsy play-calling.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:26 pm
I can go out there and run the ball the way I do,” McFadden said. Hue!!!!
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There it is.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Running back Darren McFadden enjoyed his best seasons under Jackson’s play-calling. He remains appreciative for the time and effort Jackson took in finding a way to get the most from McFadden’s ability.
Under WHO’S play calling?
November 21st, 2012 at 5:28 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
So the moral of Corks article is basically that all of our primary offensive weapons were actually thriving and giving significant contributions to the team under Hue Jackson’s offense.
Now under Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp, they have all regressed and look woefully pitiful.
Thanks Cork.
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that about sums it up.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:29 pm
“He’s a great technician as a coach and he sees the details and he sees the big picture,” Lewis said.
Marvin Lewis.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain said he enjoyed the energy and passion that Jackson brought to the team.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
all the hue haters are gone/ SILENT!!! They know its fckd he is no longer on the team
November 21st, 2012 at 5:34 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey is another player that flourished under Jackson’s tutelage.
Jackson said he and then-offensive coordinator Al Saunders determined the things that Heyward-Bey does best and concentrated on those things in games.
Heyward-Bey responded with career-highs in receptions (64), yards (975) and touchdowns (4) last season. Heyward-Bey has 28 catches for 440 yards and three touchdowns so far this season.
“He just saw the work I put in,” Heyward-Bey said. “He believed in me. He was the type of coach that, he will call plays because he wanted to see if you were going to make a play. He did that the years he was here.”
Heyward-Bey said he also enjoyed Jackson’s gutsy play-calling.
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What have I been saying about what great coaches do. They put players in position to SUCCEED. That is how you win games……….something this staff hasn’t learned.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:34 pm
JLofty Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:14 pm
“This is LUNACY…period”
You want lunacy?!? You’ve come to the right place!!
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JL, I hadda jump in from lurker mode to say “spot on”!
It remind me of that scene from One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest (spl?) where they take that boat out on the water. It’s like Dr. Beeech leave the bridge with his hizzy and leaves the helm to the nuts.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I’d rather be rocking with PRYOR then wasting time with Palmer.. this franchise is so azz backwards right now its not even funny.
Now we got some fugazzi coach like DA and KNAPP
November 21st, 2012 at 5:36 pm
*reminds
November 21st, 2012 at 5:36 pm
*leaves
*sigh*
November 21st, 2012 at 5:44 pm
JLofty Says:
Pryor getting a shot has NOTHING AT ALL to do with Tim Tebow. Nothing. It never will have anything to do with it unless we, God Forbid, trade/acquire Mr. Tebow.
Terrell Pryor getting his shot in the NFL will be the day some coaches think, hey I think I can win an NFL game with this kid/man at QB….======================
He’s just fishing, hoping someone takes the bait. So he cancome back with the same tired refrain.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:53 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I’d rather be rocking with PRYOR then wasting time with Palmer.. this franchise is so azz backwards right now its not even funny.
Now we got some fugazzi coach like DA and KNAPP
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Ditto.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:53 pm
The culture is azz backwards for sure just like it is across the country. Idiots thinking they are entitled to something.
November 21st, 2012 at 5:56 pm
What will it take to satisfy the blood lust of the huenutsackarmy? Its like attack of the zombies but zombies stop to eat now and then
I suggest you get a billboard and ask Mark to admit that Hue is the greatest head coach in history while lighting the torch on Monday night next year
November 21st, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Plunketthead Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:56 pm
What will it take to satisfy the blood lust of the huenutsackarmy? Its like attack of the zombies but zombies stop to eat now and then
I suggest you get a billboard and ask Mark to admit that Hue is the greatest head coach in history while lighting the torch on Monday night next year
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Marvin Lewis agrees with me.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Looks like the Players miss hue too.. only certain ppl think here he had to GO LMAO .. he had to go for the 3-7 fugazzi DA
November 21st, 2012 at 6:04 pm
eastoak you are an agreeable person and Marvin is a respected coach and gangster but hue is still history and we have what we have in the DA and his sidekick the boy knapster
November 21st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Plunketthead Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:04 pm
eastoak you are an agreeable person and Marvin is a respected coach and gangster but hue is still history and we have what we have in the DA and his sidekick the boy knapster
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I’ll stop with the Hue love fest when Davis jr admits he was wrong for firing Hue, all the Hue haters admit they were wrong for thinking firing Hue was the right move, or when we qaulify for the playoffs. Looks like the love fest will last awhile.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
This season can be summed up with 3 words:
Cronyism, Nepotism, Egotism.
-Cronyism in Allen hiring his golf buddy Greg Knapp to run the offense even though he clearly was not the best qualified to hold that position.
-Nepotism in Reggie Mckenzie hiring his twin brother to be the head of scouting.
-Egotism in Allen and Knapp refusing to devise schemes suited to the talents of his players but insisting that they run Knapp’s woefully inadequate version of the zone blocking scheme that has been a travesty and embarrassment since week 1.
Dennis Allen can kick rocks for all I care.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
I’ll forget about Hue when we see the bad ass D DA is supposed to build.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
I wish you well in your quest
November 21st, 2012 at 6:14 pm
I was a big fan of the Reggie hiring at first, but now I am really starting to second guess him. He is a very mellow, low key guy and he is hiring people just like him (aka DA), and it’s making our organization soft.
It’s pretty obvious all the players are not happy with the current coaching staff from the way they are talking about Hue, and I don’t blame them. DA is a little pu$$y who has no emotion and no fire in him, and while he might be a great defensive coach, he is obviously not a good head coach because he doesn’t inspire the players like a good head coach does. He also hired some horrible coordinators and seems to just let them run things even when they are failing miserably.
We need a coach with some balls, who is not afraid to get pissed at players and coaches alike, and light a fire under his team. DA is obviously not that guy. I don’t see anybody playing inspired football out there except maybe 1 or 2 guys on each side of the ball. Not that I blame them when they have to answer to people like Greg Krapp who obviously don’t know what they’re doing.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Conspiracy theories!
God how I love the smell of conspiracy in the morning.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
All the Hue “haters” can say is 8-8 wasn’t really 8-8, it was really…well…something else.
-Weak schedule
-Palmer playing near his home in LaJolla (at Sd game).
-Hue lost 4 of last 5 games.
I remember being 6-4 this point last yr. and in the hunt.
I’ll give DA some time, but…he’s shown nothing but regression.
We are getting hammered badly every week.
That’s not good.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
SD-Raider, how do you know anything about how Allen does his job? Are you an insider? Do you have any knowledge that the public doesn’t have? Just what do you know about DA that you can pass on to us “mundanes”?
November 21st, 2012 at 6:22 pm
It’s interesting the folks that say to give DA some time cuz he’s a first yr. coach and he’s gonna make mistakes etc. don’t give the same consideration to what Hue did his first yr.
Yeah Hue screwed up a few times…as any 1st yr. coach will. Like DA for instance.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
All the Hue “haters” can say is 8-8 wasn’t really 8-8, it was really…well…something else.
-Weak schedule
-Palmer playing near his home in LaJolla (at Sd game).
-Hue lost 4 of last 5 games.
I remember being 6-4 this point last yr. and in the hunt.
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Agreed. And remember we are talking about 6-4 with our starting QB, RB, and WR all injured.
We have had all 3 the entire season until a couple of weeks ago and how have Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp handled that?smh
November 21st, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Twocents: no, I don’t know what goes on behind closed doors, I just judge by his interviews and shows like sound FX on NFL network where it shows him mic’d on the sidelines of a game. He seems very intellectual and calm instead of passionate and firey, and I like the latter attributes more for an NFL head coach, especially a Raider coach. We need to bring back some attitude to this game. I’ll take penalties over these a$$ whoopings we’ve been getting any day.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:28 pm
So has it been decided by the experts on here that MD should fire everybody and start over? Have any of you ever done anything in your lives but sit on a couch and been entertained?
November 21st, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I still think Cable laid the foundation for hue to succeed and hue did a great job as OC and a great job as head coach until Al passed and it was not Hues fault that the team dived. Hue did a very good job
November 21st, 2012 at 6:30 pm
The reason Hue’s team blew it at the end was solely because of the defense, a D in which he didn’t get to choose any of the coaches. Hue ran the offense and ran it damn well. If we had any sort of average D we would have made the playoffs last year.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Twocents Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:28 pm
So has it been decided by the experts on here that MD should fire everybody and start over? Have any of you ever done anything in your lives but sit on a couch and been entertained?
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lmao ^ says the guy sitting on the couch passing judgement.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Twocents Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:28 pm
So has it been decided by the experts on here that MD should fire everybody and start over? Have any of you ever done anything in your lives but sit on a couch and been entertained?
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No Onecent.
Saunders is still on staff. Put him back in charge as the OC. Reinstitute the O-line scheme that most of these same players had been in for the previous two years, and that had proven results.
Play to the team’s strengths. I would hardly call that starting over.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:31 pm
“I want to be entertained” is the mantra of people today. Most of them can’t wipe their ass let alone do any productive work. Welcome to the “new America”.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
not a Hue Fan, imo he was fired because we lost 4 out of last 5 and his ego got out of control. there will be a good amount of HC openings at the end of this season. we will see if Hue gets one.
i do agree that Hue didnt get the benefit of any excuses, yet DA and Reggie seem to get a pass on 2012. 2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 there are no excuses
November 21st, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Twocents Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:31 pm
“I want to be entertained” is the mantra of people today. Most of them can’t wipe their ass let alone do any productive work. Welcome to the “new America”.
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FYI if any you are struggling with “wiping your ass”, blame your mother.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Twocents, I dont think MD should start over. Reggie gets a pass for about 5 years, and I’d give DA at least one more year, on the condition that he finds new coordinators. In fact, I’d fire Krapp right now and have Al Saunders take over. These players were here last year and could pick up the old offense pretty quick. Then again, I’m not the boss…
So Twocents, while I agree with you most on here are idiots, if you are calling everybody out, what are your qualifications that make you such an expert?
November 21st, 2012 at 6:35 pm
101.Priesttj12 Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I see Palmer the same way Patriot fans saw their QB before Brady took over. Either play well enough to keep your job or else. The fault is Palmers if indeed Pryor outplays him and no on else’s…………period
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Revisionist history, and inaccurate at that. Bledsoe was replaced because he was injured, and Brady played so well that he kept the starting job after Bledsoe recovered from his injury.
Bledsoe was very much appreciated by the fan base in New England, and there was even debate that he should have started the Super Bowl game that year.
Apples and oranges.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The Niners had the blueprint. Their record was worse than ours the year before Hue Jackson became the HC.
But despite their record, they KEPT intact the foundations that they had established on defense, and Harbaugh focused almost entirely on the offense.
They didn’t try establishing a 4-3 defense or something similar. They knew the defense was a strength of the team and they left it alone.
The Raiders were in the exact same position on the opposite side of the ball. All they had to do was leave the offense in tact and focus on the defense and we would be at the very least tied with Denver for the division lead right now.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Bledsoe was a sack waiting to happen, I think people up there saw that too.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:38 pm
DJ Johnny-
Lots of takes out there discussing Hue saying and doing the wrong thing, at the wrong time.
You have a new GM coming in? And you take that time to make it clear to one and all that you EXPECT more control? Even Hue went public after his rant, and said it was ill timed, and inappropriate.
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Hue Jackson is “po’ed” at team, wants more power
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 2, 2012, 10:44 AM EST
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Raiders coach Hue Jackson didn’t take Oakland’s latest defensive collapse well.
While he occasionally made a weak effort to take responsibility for his team’s loss, Jackson generally threw his team under the bus in a manner you don’t normally see from head coaches.
“I’m po’ed at my team,” Jackson said after the game via the Oakland Tribune. “At some point in time, as a group of men, you go in the game, and you can say whatever you want about coaches, you win the game. Here’s your time. Here’s your time to make plays.
“We didn’t get ‘em stopped. And we didn’t make enough plays. So, yeah, I’m po’ed at the team. I’m also, like I tell them, I’ll always put it on me, but I am po’ed at my team. Because when you have those kinds of opportunities, you’ve got to do it, and we didn’t do it.”
Translation: I’ll always put it on me, except when I totally put it on you guys.
Jackson seems especially upset with his defense. (For good reason.) We wouldn’t expect to see defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan back next year.
“Chuck knows how I feel,” Jackson said. “I’m disappointed over there. I have been. It’s not like we haven’t had conversations. Chuck knows what I feel, and it’s not good enough. . . . When you play defense in the NFL, man, you got to hunt. You can’t give up 28, 29 points and expect to win.”
Translation: That’s Bresnahan’s defense. Got it?
Jackson’s solution for all the problems: More Hue Jackson.
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question. Defensively, offensively and special teams. I aint feeling like this no more. This is a joke. . . . Yeah, I’m going to take a hand in everything that goes on here.”
Translation: I haven’t fully considered all the implications of what could happen when the Raiders hire a personnel man to be my boss.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:39 pm
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said.
Somehow, to a new GM? Those words are a huge red flag.
Reggie would have been a total fool to keep Hue.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:35 pm
The Niners had the blueprint. Their record was worse than ours the year before Hue Jackson became the HC.
But despite their record, they KEPT intact the foundations that they had established on defense, and Harbaugh focused almost entirely on the offense.
They didn’t try establishing a 4-3 defense or something similar. They knew the defense was a strength of the team and they left it alone.
The Raiders were in the exact same position on the opposite side of the ball. All they had to do was leave the offense in tact and focus on the defense and we would be at the very least tied with Denver for the division lead right now.
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Couldnt agree more! They took the most productive part of our team and turned it to krap. Then they took the worst part of our team and made it even worse (which I wouldnt have even thought possible). So much for a defensive minded head coach, eh? But it’s not him, it’s the talent, right? Excuses Excuses…
November 21st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Surely one nfl team saw what many semis swear they saw. That Hue is a fantastic head coach. Many teams will be firing head coaches this offseason so I bet Hue will be offered a job, right?
If Hue gets hired I will agree that hue should not have been fired.
But I bet the pimp hand makes HC before the pedigree pimp does
November 21st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
There are some football people on here that have something to offer and I am not saying that I am one of them.
They are disappearing thanks to the 80% that can’t wipe their ass.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Lol at his ego got out of control . You mean there was NO GM TO HELP HIM.. so he wanted to make some moves to help the team? OH GOSH .. how dare he!!!
How dare he speak out about wanting to get his own staff!! and getting rid of players that didnt buy into the system.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:39 pm
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said.
Somehow, to a new GM? Those words are a huge red flag.
Reggie would have been a total fool to keep Hue.
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not to mention a new owner, i think mark davis wanted hue gone, didnt hue and reggie have the same agent? hope hue got a new one
November 21st, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
not a Hue Fan, imo he was fired because we lost 4 out of last 5 and his ego got out of control. there will be a good amount of HC openings at the end of this season. we will see if Hue gets one.
i do agree that Hue didnt get the benefit of any excuses, yet DA and Reggie seem to get a pass on 2012. 2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 there are no excuses
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Ok, Hue lost the last 4 out of 5 but isnt 8-8 dam good considering the circumstances? Rookie HC with no offseason, his playmaker DMC goes down, the owner dies,we get a QB fresh off the couch and throw him into the fire two weeks later, and we had the worst DC in football. I would say that was a damn good season for any coach let alone a rookie.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:39 pm
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said.
Somehow, to a new GM? Those words are a huge red flag.
Reggie would have been a total fool to keep Hue.
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That was before Reggie was hired, and Hue was obviously talking about picking his own coaches, especially D, which is something almost all head coaches have the luxury of. I feel like once Reggie was hired, they could have talked and gotten on the same page, and gone forward with Hue understanding Reggie was the boss, but I think after that bad interview he never even got a chance.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Mark Davis played his hand to early when he let Hue go. I am not saying Hue is the greatest, and he may have deserved it, but letting Hue go just months after Hue traded for Palmer was a big mistake.
Think about it, Hue wanted Palmer to run his offense, but instead Hue gets fired and Palmer gets hung out to dry in an offense that doesn’t suit him.
They gave up too much to start over in a new offense.
Once the trade was done, the Raiders were committed to Palmer for 2-3 years.
Palmer has not been given a fair chance to validate the trade with the guy that brought him here in the first place.
The bulk of the responsibility of this terrible season rests on Mark Davis’s shoulders because he knows nothing about continuity of a head coach and his QB.
I think even Mistic would agree with this view.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:44 pm
again its to bad ppl dont know the real story that CSN henry woford broke.
MARK had Reggie can hue. HUE and REGGIE are friends and share the same agent. Reggie was under the impression he already had a coach in hue. Mark informed him b4 his presser to get rid of hue.
So this whole situation is on mark and he is finding out the hard way he should have gave hue another year.. but he let his ego get in the way. You know bad mark wants to fire DA
November 21st, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Total BS.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
146.KoolKell Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Bledsoe was a sack waiting to happen, I think people up there saw that too.
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I believe the point was that Bledsoe was in danger of losing his starting job to Brady because he wasn’t playing well, and that Brady took over because he wasn’t.
That isn’t true, and has no comparative value whatsoever to the Carson Palmer/ Terelle Pryor “debate”.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:33 pm
not a Hue Fan, imo he was fired because we lost 4 out of last 5 and his ego got out of control. there will be a good amount of HC openings at the end of this season. we will see if Hue gets one.
i do agree that Hue didnt get the benefit of any excuses, yet DA and Reggie seem to get a pass on 2012. 2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 there are no excuses
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Ok, Hue lost the last 4 out of 5 but isnt 8-8 dam good considering the circumstances? Rookie HC with no offseason, his playmaker DMC goes down, the owner dies,we get a QB fresh off the couch and throw him into the fire two weeks later, and we had the worst DC in football. I would say that was a damn good season for any coach let alone a rookie.
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i think losing 4 out of 5 combined with how hue handled himself got him fired. he had plenty of excuses and challenges. agreed..
November 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
not total bs. Henry talked to Reggies Agent. Said Reggie want to stay with hue. Why dont u think mark didnt answer the question at the presser. Why do u think corky said many of times with defiance that Mark let go of hue.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
“I’m po’ed at my team,” Jackson said after the game via the Oakland Tribune. “At some point in time, as a group of men, you go in the game, and you can say whatever you want about coaches, you win the game. Here’s your time. Here’s your time to make plays.
“We didn’t get ‘em stopped. And we didn’t make enough plays. So, yeah, I’m po’ed at the team. I’m also, like I tell them, I’ll always put it on me, but I am po’ed at my team. Because when you have those kinds of opportunities, you’ve got to do it, and we didn’t do it.”
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THIS IS WHAT WE NEED A REAL COACH NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK THE REAL!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Twocents Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
There are some football people on here that have something to offer and I am not saying that I am one of them.
They are disappearing thanks to the 80% that can’t wipe their ass.
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Agreed. It’s sad that all the idiots ruin this blog’s comments with all their mindless smack talk instead of actually talking football and making sound arguments for their case.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Plunketthead Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:04 pm
eastoak you are an agreeable person and Marvin is a respected coach and gangster but hue is still history and we have what we have in the DA and his sidekick the boy knapster
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I’ll stop with the Hue love fest when Davis jr admits he was wrong for firing Hue, all the Hue haters admit they were wrong for thinking firing Hue was the right move, or when we qaulify for the playoffs. Looks like the love fest will last awhile.
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No one cares if you, or anyone else has a mancrush on Hue. Your choice.
As a HC? He basically was just bad.
Really bad.
Add ego to it, and you have a recipe for a pink slip.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RaidersAllday, run for office. You are a perfect candidate.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:50 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
“I’m po’ed at my team,” Jackson said after the game via the Oakland Tribune. “At some point in time, as a group of men, you go in the game, and you can say whatever you want about coaches, you win the game. Here’s your time. Here’s your time to make plays.
“We didn’t get ‘em stopped. And we didn’t make enough plays. So, yeah, I’m po’ed at the team. I’m also, like I tell them, I’ll always put it on me, but I am po’ed at my team. Because when you have those kinds of opportunities, you’ve got to do it, and we didn’t do it.”
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THIS IS WHAT WE NEED A REAL COACH NOT AFRAID TO SPEAK THE REAL!!!
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PROBLEM IS HE WAS A MOUSE ALL YEAR LONG, AND ONLY OPENED HIS YAP ONCE THE SEASON WAS OVER.
You just have no idea about Hue’s year of coaching, do you?
Is this your first year following the oblong ball?
November 21st, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Raider E Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Mark Davis played his hand to early when he let Hue go. I am not saying Hue is the greatest, and he may have deserved it, but letting Hue go just months after Hue traded for Palmer was a big mistake.
Think about it, Hue wanted Palmer to run his offense, but instead Hue gets fired and Palmer gets hung out to dry in an offense that doesn’t suit him.
They gave up too much to start over in a new offense.
Once the trade was done, the Raiders were committed to Palmer for 2-3 years.
Palmer has not been given a fair chance to validate the trade with the guy that brought him here in the first place.
The bulk of the responsibility of this terrible season rests on Mark Davis’s shoulders because he knows nothing about continuity of a head coach and his QB.
I think even Mistic would agree with this view.
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I’ve said this before but good to see I’m not alone in my thinking.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Twocents Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
RaidersAllday, run for office. You are a perfect candidate.
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That was a shot.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:54 pm
nycraider Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
i think losing 4 out of 5 combined with how hue handled himself got him fired. he had plenty of excuses and challenges. agreed..
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So with this being said, what the hell is Dennis Allen’s excuse???
He had job security, control of the coaches and player personnel, a GM, and ALL of his STARTING offensive weapons from the previous year, healthy to begin the season. And what has he done with all of that?
Made it worse than the last two years…smh
November 21st, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Look at how Hue changed after Al died.
All of a sudden he thought he was the face of the franchise. Acting all that in front of camera’s. Benching players, then lying about how it came about. Having camera’s follow him into getting a pedicure. Telling everyone that not only did he deserve more responsibility, but EXPECTED MORE RESPONSIBILITY IN NOT JUST THE TEAM, BUT THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION.
Even Hue admitted he was out of line, and should not have ever made those comments.
How come some of you are so slow in grasping simple things?
Or does that question confuse you?
November 21st, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Rather humorous that we are discussing who we would have sucked more with, Hue or DA.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Look at how Hue changed after Al died.
All of a sudden he thought he was the face of the franchise. Acting all that in front of camera’s. Benching players, then lying about how it came about. Having camera’s follow him into getting a pedicure. Telling everyone that not only did he deserve more responsibility, but EXPECTED MORE RESPONSIBILITY IN NOT JUST THE TEAM, BUT THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION.
Even Hue admitted he was out of line, and should not have ever made those comments.
How come some of you are so slow in grasping simple things?
Or does that question confuse you?
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Yet all of this is completely irrelevant to the fact that the offense that he controlled and the team that he led was light years ahead of this year under Dennis Allen.
At the end of the day that is all that matters.
November 21st, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Sucks that the playrs even miss hue
November 21st, 2012 at 6:58 pm
It was exactly a year ago that the Raiders spent Thanksgiving Day in the midst of a three-game win streak throughout which they sat atop the AFC West.
Quarterback Carson Palmer, who had been plucked off the inactive list in October, was finding his timing and rounding into shape.
The field leader, Hue Jackson, was in the Coach of the Year conversation, even though a certain coach across the Bay was the front-runner.
And one year later, it’s all gone.
Oakland has fallen so far, so fast, nobody is better off. Not the Raiders, not Palmer, certainly not Jackson. Nobody has the look of a winner.
Jackson, who was fired by new general manager Reggie McKenzie, is an assistant in Cincinnati. Palmer is straining under the weight of turnovers committed while trying to carry the burden of an abysmal offense. And an Oakland team that needed an epic collapse to finish 2011 in a three-way tie for first place in the division — missing the playoffs by one play — is one of the five worst in the NFL.
Last November seems so long ago that even the memories are fuzzy. Most of the chatter about the 2012 Raiders implies the roster is rudderless and threadbare, failing mostly because the roster lacks talent and depth. There are kernels of truth to that.
Following the evidence leads to a question: How did the ‘11 Raiders, with mostly the same starting cast, manage to reach first place in the division at this time last
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year?
With the Raiders making a trip to Cincinnati this weekend, I made several attempts to obtain answers from Jackson. Maybe he would be willing to explain what was going right last November, if not what he thinks might be wrong this season. Maybe he could shed some light, perhaps offer pointers to Dennis Allen, his replacement in Oakland.
After several conversations and text-messages, Jackson concluded it would not be in his best interest to share his opinions about the Raiders — or about his chances at the Cal coaching job. Though it is clear that being dismissed by the Raiders still stings, Jackson was reluctant to address the team’s myriad issues.
“I think I will pass on making a comment at this point,” Jackson said via text message. “I think it’s best for me to say as little as possible.”
Jackson did, however, point out that the current state of the Raiders helps any case he might wish to state.
They’ve lost seven of 10 this season and were not really competitive in the last three losses, which have come in succession. McKenzie, whose first major move was firing Jackson, is in the early stages of a comprehensive rebuilding of the organization. Allen, hired from Denver, is 10 games into the task of proving he’s the man to fix the franchise.
But, really, how much rebuilding and fixing should be necessary for a team that was so close to the 2011 playoffs?
It figured the Raiders might be better equipped to improve this season than last.
Running back Darren McFadden had developed into a star, though plagued by injury. Darrius Heyward-Bey, a first-round vanity project of late former owner Al Davis, emerged from Bustville to become a functional wide receiver. Fellow wideout Denarius Moore flashed tremendous promise.
Unlike 2011, this team would have a full offseason program and training camp, with Palmer participating throughout.
All the 2011 Raiders needed to reach the playoffs was an ordinary defense — only Buffalo in the AFC allowed more points — and surely in 2012 they could be at least ordinary under former defensive coordinator Allen.
But Oakland’s defense has been inconsistent against the run and worse against the pass. The improvement that seemed apparent in mid-October has dissolved into the same familiar rut of ineptitude seen last season and so many seasons before.
Two years after Jackson was installed as offensive coordinator and solved Oakland’s long-standing problem scoring points, that problem is back with a vengeance. The unit is a mess. Palmer is lost, so is Moore. McFadden was ineffective before sustaining an injury two weeks ago. DHB once again looks like a backup.
No doubt Jackson, whose coaching career was upended, believes the Raiders could have avoided these relapses had he returned and that everyone could have been satisfied.
The perception of Jackson as audacious and swaggering is understandably reinforced by his unwavering self-confidence. Is it possible he had reason to feel good about what he was doing, and where the Raiders might be headed?
They were winning behind a quarterback, Jason Campbell, few believed in before he sustained an injury, winning despite a defense coached by Chuck Bresnahan, with strict oversight from Al Davis.
Jackson did acknowledge the deepest cut was not having the opportunity to assemble a defensive staff. He insists his candid end-of-season comments about making sweeping changes were spoken not as a megalomaniac GM but as a coach finally in position to identify and hire assistants of his choosing.
We know this: In the 17 years since returning to Oakland the Raiders have employed 10 head coaches, two of which made impact that was immediate and positive. Jon Gruden, was traded after four seasons, none of which resulted in a losing record. Jackson was fired after one 8-8 season.
Gruden never threw stones, and Jackson is unwilling to launch his own.
But once again, the evidence reveals a franchise scrambling for answers and sinking in the wake of change.
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Good article by MONTE POOLE
November 21st, 2012 at 6:59 pm
I don’t care how fiery or stoic our head coach is. You don’t get any more fiery than John Madden, or any more stoic than Tom Flores, both outstanding coaches.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:00 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:54 pm
nycraider Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:48 pm
i think losing 4 out of 5 combined with how hue handled himself got him fired. he had plenty of excuses and challenges. agreed..
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So with this being said, what the hell is Dennis Allen’s excuse???
He had job security, control of the coaches and player personnel, a GM, and ALL of his STARTING offensive weapons from the previous year, healthy to begin the season. And what has he done with all of that?
Made it worse than the last two years…smh
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2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 there are none. reggie.. and DA have alot to prove.. hue’s personality/ego/ was the biggest reason he got fired. maybe that the difference bt him and DA.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm
We can debate this all we want but here we sit at 3-7 and PLUMMETING to ever worse depths and right now the media is embracing the idea that it was a BAD decision to fire Hue…regardless of his “rant” at the end of the season.
Your record is everything.
Hue was 8-8 and DA is 3-7 and falling…hard….with basically the same team.
This is not just a bunch of short sighted, impatient Raider fans saying this like some want to believe and accuse. The media has grabbed hold of this idea as well.
I don’t know why ANY real Raider fan is bending over backwards to defend DA right now.
Forget about Hue. Why defend DA? What has he shown you to believe for ONE SECOND he is gonna do anything other than what he’s done? All he’s given us is horrible, embarrassing, humiliating losses every damn week.
What indication does anybody have that he’s gonna “right the ship”?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm
SD-Raider Says: Couldnt agree more! They took the most productive part of our team and turned it to krap. Then they took the worst part of our team and made it even worse (which I wouldnt have even thought possible). So much for a defensive minded head coach, eh? But it’s not him, it’s the talent, right? Excuses Excuses…=========
You’re not giving them due credit. They effed up Special Teams, too.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm
2 coaches only made an impact in the last 10 yards.
HUE Jackson and GRUDEN.
Hue impacted the team /offense the moment he stepped on the team in 2010. Brought excitment.
DA has impacted ZERO on the defense. Hue would coach circles around KNAPP/ DA. KNAPP was some qb coach watching HUE coach his ass of against the Texans last year.
Knapp wants to be like the Texans offsense so much, but lol the Raiders beat them last year. Hue would piss on Knapp and his offensive game plans
November 21st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I will keep bringin up hue .. till a coach comes along and proves he is worth a dayum. Shows something to make us forget about HUE.. Until then.. hue will keep being brought up.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
The Bad defense excuse works for DA, but not for Hue. Funny that.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:05 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Knapp wants to be like the Texans offsense so much, but lol the Raiders beat them last year. Hue would piss on Knapp and his offensive game plans
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Amen! I’ve been saying this all season long!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:05 pm
HUE GOT SCREWED.
FIREREGGIENOW!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Yet all of this is completely irrelevant to the fact that the offense that he controlled and the team that he led was light years ahead of this year under Dennis Allen.
At the end of the day that is all that matters.
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all that matters, at the end of the day completely irrelevant = Hue is not the head coach
November 21st, 2012 at 7:06 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
The Bad defense excuse works for DA, but not for Hue. Funny that.
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Amen. These clowns in here obviously have an agenda. And their agenda obviously isn’t about which coach had more wins and losses.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:06 pm
I’ll tell you what, listening to the players comments about Hue it sounds to me like DA has already lost the team.
If these guys had any respect for DA would they be sitting here glorifying the coach he replaced?
Would’nt you think they would be quiet out of respect for the guy who is “leading” them?
Guess what…these players LIKED being in contention. They are a laughingstock right now. They are well aware the public opinion of them right now. They know they are ranked as the 30th team in the power rankings.
They LIKED getting respect. I remember at one point last year we had made it to 10th in the power rankings.
They had respect. Now they are a joke.
Do u think they like that?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:08 pm
3 coaches only made an impact in the last 10 yards.
HUE Jackson and GRUDEN and PIMP HAND
good nite, night shift and have a happy T day, you too KK
November 21st, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The reason DA didnt have anything to say about curry.. is because on monday
Curry tweeted how he loved Gruden as a Coach… like he was real coach.
DA probaly got pissed when he saw that.. U know all thse Raider twitters are checked
November 21st, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Exactly right Johnny,
This team has tuned out D.A. and half of them will be gone next season.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Same to you Plunkethead, and all the Nation.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Also Mark was in the locker room after that week 17 loss to the chargers and it was reported some players complained to him that they didnt like the way HUE let them have it in the press confrence .
LOL hue did the right thing.. they sucked. I bet it was jacoby ford who told mark something.
He was tweeting at 3 am that morning.. then slips on the route cost palmer a first down at the end of the game. He was pissed hue traded Carson 4 his bff Campbell.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Forget the record.
This team had obtained RESPECT.
You had no idea which Raider team would show up.
Would it be the one that could hammer you 59-14…or the one that would build a lead and then blow it?
Hence, the 8-8.
One thing they had, and we as fans enjoyed if only for a moment, was RESPECT.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I remember last year at one point.. the RAIDERS had made it to Kordell stewarts TOP 5 AFC teams.. on First take espn.
now they are just a joke
November 21st, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I could see Hue maybe trying to buck Reggie by running to Mark. But maybe not if he were allowed to hire his own staff, and do what he wanted, like the authority given to DA.
I wish they had tried.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:15 pm
how confident are you that Reggie will fire Knapp
how confident are you that Reggie can handle a draft
how confident are you that reggie wont shop at walmart next year for free agents
whats scary is i’m not sure DA is our biggest issue
2012 the year of the excuse , 2013 there are none
November 21st, 2012 at 7:16 pm
“”But Oakland’s defense has been inconsistent against the run and worse against the pass. The improvement that seemed apparent in mid-October has dissolved into the same familiar rut of ineptitude seen last season and so many seasons before.
Two years after Jackson was installed as offensive coordinator and solved Oakland’s long-standing problem scoring points, that problem is back with a vengeance. The unit is a mess. Palmer is lost, so is Moore. McFadden was ineffective before sustaining an injury two weeks ago. DHB once again looks like a backup.
No doubt Jackson, whose coaching career was upended, believes the Raiders could have avoided these relapses had he returned and that everyone could have been satisfied.
The perception of Jackson as audacious and swaggering is understandably reinforced by his unwavering self-confidence. Is it possible he had reason to feel good about what he was doing, and where the Raiders might be headed?
They were winning behind a quarterback, Jason Campbell, few believed in before he sustained an injury, winning despite a defense coached by Chuck Bresnahan, with strict oversight from Al Davis.
Jackson did acknowledge the deepest cut was not having the opportunity to assemble a defensive staff. He insists his candid end-of-season comments about making sweeping changes were spoken not as a megalomaniac GM but as a coach finally in position to identify and hire assistants of his choosing.
We know this: In the 17 years since returning to Oakland the Raiders have employed 10 head coaches, two of which made impact that was immediate and positive. Jon Gruden, was traded after four seasons, none of which resulted in a losing record. Jackson was fired after one 8-8 season.
Gruden never threw stones, and Jackson is unwilling to launch his own.
But once again, the evidence reveals a franchise scrambling for answers and sinking in the wake of change.”
So on point. But hey ppl here want to give DA 3 years.. but only give hue 16 games. Nevermind that AL picked hue to lead the team.. nevermind that there was so much change last year he still got them to 8-8 .. no mini camps, lockout etc.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Look at DA’s resume. He got to the top awfully fast………too fast?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
November 21st, 2012 at 7:17 pm
RAIDERNATION–AM-mmmm Back-Cork –Hi!
I Say Like it Is! About 3 Month ago
GET RID OF KNAPP
BRING AL SAUNDER
PUT PRYOR IN –season is Lost.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
I’ll bet there are some guys on this board who were in attendance at the SD game Thurs. night when you got to walk out all cocky and confident after blasting SD on national tv.
How did that feel? Palmer talking up Raider Nation after the game and everything looked good.
If only for an average defense…it would not have ended badly for us.
But here we are. The dregs of the league. A joke. A punchline.
Flash back one yr ago. We were not that.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:19 pm
So on point. But hey ppl here want to give DA 3 years.. but only give hue 16 games. Nevermind that AL picked hue to lead the team.. nevermind that there was so much change last year he still got them to 8-8 .. no mini camps, lockout etc.
Nevermind what we say.. listen to HUES FORMER PLAYERS… lol they are all man crushin on the guy. DA has lost the team. how do i know? look at the last 3 weeks.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
The current Raiders have NO swagger, they have stagger. They stagger around the field like beat down drunks and wimps. The Pride and Poise Boys have become victims annonymous. Commitment to Excellence has become lets just make it through the game guys.
Dennis Allen has as much respect by his peers as the school yard wimp, or the ugliest chick on the campus. Dennis Allen is the coaching version of Stuart Schwigart, the weakest guy on the field.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:24 pm
The only time Pryor should get on the field for Carson Palmer is 1. To keep Palmer from taking a beating in blowout games in the last minutes . Maybe some time in the last regular season game . Pryor had a few good plays in preseason . The rest of his play was like a chicken running around with his head cut off! Palmer has been one of our only bright spots! He has scored enough points to win most our games his year despite all of the cap he has had to deal with. Knap , O Line , receivers etc…… Coaching and poor personnel decisions (old and new)resulting in this horrific pitiful excuse of a defense has let this team down! Let’s not mention special teams! .There is another list of stupid decisions made too long too list! Bottom line is Palmer is the best thing we have had since Gannon at QB. And unless Pryor can tackle , cover receivers and return puts and kick-offs he isn’t going to win any games either! Crap Brady couldn’t win here either!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Do you see what all the players do when they score on the Raiders.. they f’n laugh at them… they taunt the fans..
THey point at the Raiders as they are running to the endzone. JOKE
November 21st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Raidernation –I ASK YOU GUYS TO BLOG TOGETHER AND COMMENT SO IF CORK IS READING THEM HE CAN TALK OR FAX THEM TO THEM!
I HOPE.REGGIE, Allen and Mr. Davis or their friends can read them and tell them — What a Group we are!
November 21st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Ghosttoothepost Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Look at how Hue changed after Al died.
All of a sudden he thought he was the face of the franchise. Acting all that in front of camera’s. Benching players, then lying about how it came about. Having camera’s follow him into getting a pedicure. Telling everyone that not only did he deserve more responsibility, but EXPECTED MORE RESPONSIBILITY IN NOT JUST THE TEAM, BUT THE WHOLE ORGANIZATION.
Even Hue admitted he was out of line, and should not have ever made those comments.
How come some of you are so slow in grasping simple things?
Or does that question confuse you?
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Yet all of this is completely irrelevant to the fact that the offense that he controlled and the team that he led was light years ahead of this year under Dennis Allen.
At the end of the day that is all that matters.
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Not to a new GM, it doesn’t.
Last thing a new GM wants is a head coach sabotaging him, talking behind his back, or second guessing what he does.
That year end record included a complete team meltdown the last month of the season, with players mumbling about Hue running things. And Hue becoming a loose cannon.
Damn sad that many here are arguing a team that collapsed and ended up 8-8 was something they miss.
Has nothing to do with today’s record. Both records sucked.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I’m kind of surprised those comments by current Raider players is not more of a story.
Someone can help me with this and i’ll admit if i’m wrong, but i don’t recall ever hearing such glowing talk of a FORMER coach in the middle of a season.
If DA was ticked about Curry’s tweet in praise of Gruden, then he’s incensed at what he’s reading about this praise of Hue.
These comments from the players is a severe indictment of this “New Era of Excellence”.
How else do we read this?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
He has scored enough points to win most our games his year despite all of the cap he has had to deal with. Knap , O Line , receivers etc…
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No he hasn’t they’re in the bottom of the league in scoring. But I blame Knapp.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
omoran Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Raidernation –I ASK YOU GUYS TO BLOG TOGETHER AND COMMENT SO IF CORK IS READING THEM HE CAN TALK OR FAX THEM TO THEM!
I HOPE.REGGIE, Allen and Mr. Davis or their friends can read them and tell them — What a Group we are!
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Someone give this goofball a lollipop.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Can you imagine how DMAC felt the moment KNAPP walked back through that door during mini camp. Knowing AL canned his azz. Knowing he what hue had did for his run game.
He was probaly wtf??? shyyyyyt
November 21st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I’m kind of surprised those comments by current Raider players is not more of a story.
Someone can help me with this and i’ll admit if i’m wrong, but i don’t recall ever hearing such glowing talk of a FORMER coach in the middle of a season.
If DA was ticked about Curry’s tweet in praise of Gruden, then he’s incensed at what he’s reading about this praise of Hue.
These comments from the players is a severe indictment of this “New Era of Excellence”.
How else do we read this?
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Change your glasses.
Yes, it’s the middle of the season, but the only reason it’s brought up is because we’re going into Cincy, with Cincy’s previous qb, while Cincy has the Raiders previous HC.
Regardless of the year, coaches and players always play the politically correct card when discussing someone they previously played with/under. Only an idiot would burn that bridge, never knowing for sure if you might be on a team with that player/coach.
Lots of comments out there, from players, questioning Hue last year. Same with most of the posters from here.
You just choose to ignore them.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Ghost, The fact we folded at the end of last season is not a point lost on me.
IMO it was the DEFENSE that was the culprit.
Hue has to shoulder the blame mostly since he was HC.
I’m not saying Hue was Lomardi incarnate, i’m saying this team right now is an embarrassment and a national joke…again, and despite folding at the end last yr….we at least were not a joke.
I don’t like the team i root for to be a joke.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
CARSON PALMER today on hue
He’s a phenomenal play-caller, phenomenal play-caller,” Palmer said of Jackson. “Does a great job of keeping defenses off balance, surprising defenses with some new sIt’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when. Hue will be a head coach again because he’s a great leader. He understands enough about the game to be a head coach, but he’s also passionate. Guys follow him.”
Raiders defensive tackle Richard Seymour said Jackson’s former players in Oakland have “a lot of respect” for him.
“So I’m sure we’ll give him a hug after the game,” Seymour said. “He’s a guy that we have a ton of respect for. He was a heck of a play-caller for sure. And he loved his players. That’s something that we’ll take from it.
tuff. I thought he was a great head coach.”
November 21st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
I didn’t like hue being fired, but I just excepted it. I was excited when Big Mack and DA came aboard. I will give Reggie some time but DA inspires little confidence. I think the statements made by the players in Corks right ups are damming and really show the players true feelings about DA. I hope DA sees this article. He has some real soul searching to do. I believe he is losing key players confident with each loss. I’m not for consistent coach changing but I feel that if this slide continues Big Reggie will have to fire him. DA needs to change is philosophy and put his players in the best position to succeed. Fellow Fans, its up to us to let this organization now were unhappy with this pull and we will not tolerate garbage on the field and garbage responses and excuses at the pressers.
I can accept losing if I see there’s a bigger picture but as of right now I see a team with no identity, with no heart, still making dumb penalties. Players Grossly misused. SMH. Al Davis had his flaws in his later years but at least we knew he wanted to win. As simple as his defense was it didn’t get beat down like DA defense. This new leader ship are hell bent on keeping things the same while excepting different results. Now that my friend is insanity. Please Reggie, cam you lead us back to respectabilty, we were headed on that path before you came, no were back to being the laughing stock of NFL. SMH
November 21st, 2012 at 7:34 pm
When Jackson was hired in 2010 as Oakland’s offensive coordinator, he often traded friendly barbs with the defensive backs during practices.
“Me and Hue have a good relationship,” Raiders safety Tyvon Branch said. “I’m pretty sure he’s telling the offensive guys, ‘Oh yeah, we got to attack him.’ We’ve got a good competitive spirit. It’s going to be good to go against Hue. I’m pretty sure he’s got an in-depth report on everybody.”
seymour, like Palmer, expects Jackson to get another NFL head coaching job.
“Absolutely,” Seymour said. “I think he has those qualities. I mean, we were one game away from the playoffs last year. I think he did some really good things, and maybe — it wasn’t all perfect, either. He was a guy I knew went to bat for us as players, so I think at the end of the day you respect that.”
November 21st, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Lots of comments out there, from players, questioning Hue last year. Same with most of the posters from here.
You just choose to ignore them.
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Show us one of them.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:35 pm
…i’m talking about players comments as to Hue.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:36 pm
My bad for the typo errors. Didn’t proof read it.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:36 pm
They even got McClain to speak lol
“I guess you never know what’s going to happen, especially not with this team,” Raiders linebacker Rolando McClain said. That’s just the business that we’re in. It caught me by surprise. I didn’t expect it.”
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey made huge strides under Jackson, especially last season.
“He just saw the work I put in,” Heyward-Bey said. “He believed in me. He was the type of coach that will call plays because he wanted to see if you were going to make a play. He’s gutsy. He has confidence in his guy over whoever is defending him. A 50-50 ball, he thinks we’re going to come down with the ball. … You like that as a player.”
Raiders safety Mike Mitchell, who is from the Cincinnati area, said he’s looking forward to seeing his former coach.
“I knew Hue before I even got to the NFL, just mutual family friends, so it will be good to see him again. He was a great guy, nice guy, glad to have him as a coach. I know he’s going to be excited to kick our butts. So we’re going to be even more excited to meet that challenge.”
November 21st, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Seymour saying “it wasn’t all pefect either” is not an indictment on the former coach. It’s obvious. They lost at the end. Of course it wasn’t perfect.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Reggie Mc you fat low budget turd and Mark (helmet head)Davis. You can instantly REGAIN fan support and provide hope for the future by staging a press conference immediately after the season announcing you made a mistake and are now renaming Hue jackson HC of the Oakland Raiders.
If you’re concerned about paying that scrub Allen for the remainder of his contract, use him as a scout or waterboy for the next 2 seasons. He was a worthless DC so no assistant job.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
In other news AAron CURRY was released right before he could be asked on his thoughts of HUE JACKSON.. im sure he would have man crushed hard on him just like palmer did
November 21st, 2012 at 7:40 pm
I look forward to seeing how we will play after Mark had to address how disappointed he is with this teams regression.
This game will reveal how much DA has lost this team.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:42 pm
this game will show alot about how the players feel about Palmer. But my guess is guys like Mike mitchell probably dont know Palmer even played for the bengals.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Interview Per Vic Taufar with HUE. Well if it comes down to tackling count the raiders out lol
Former Raiders coach Hue Jackson, now an assistant defensive backs and assistant special teams coach with the Bengals, met with the Cincinnati media today. Here are some things he touched on, a few days before facing his old team from a year ago:
^ On Carson Palmer:
“He’s playing great. I think they have a really good player. I said that when he came to Oakland, and I still feel that way now. Carson’s a really good football player. There’s not a throw he can’t make.”
^ Giving the Bengals inside stuff on the Raiders:
“I am, but it’s not about that. We have great coordinators here. I maybe can shed some light on a thing or two here or there, but at the end of the day it’s going to be two really good football teams out there playing and they’re going to do everything they can to win and we’re going to do everything we can to win. It comes down to who wants it the most and blocking and tackling and catching and running and all those things you do during football games.”
^ The Raiders being a pass-first team now:
“Honestly I don’t want to comment because I’m not there. I don’t know exactly what’s going on. I know they have some very good players, I know the quarterback is playing extremely well. They’re rallying around him. Carson’s there to throw the ball because he knows how to throw the ball, and they have some weapons there. I’m not surprised. That’s a really good football team. They have some talent there and they’re throwing it all over the yard.”
^ On fullback Marcel Reece:
“He’s tremendous. I’ve said that. I think he’s a defensive matchup nightmare because he can do so many things well. The guy can run with the ball — obviously he proved that last week — he can catch it and run with it and he can block. He’s a talented, three-dimensional football player and he’s just blossoming now. I just kind of opened the can, and now they’re taking it to a whole other level. So they’re doing a good job with him.”
^ On this week’s game being special:
“Honestly, it’s really another football game. For me, it is. it has to be. You can’t get caught up in the emotional part of it because that’s not what this is about. This is about winning and losing. There’s a team that’s really hungry, very talented. They have some big-time players that are going to try to come here and win a game. And we’re finding ourselves and we have to do everything we can to win a football game.”
^ On coaching on the defensive side this year:
“It’s been great. Not very often do you get that opportunity. To be on the other side of the ball for 10 years, you get to look at it from a different viewpoint. I think everybody should have that opportunity to do that. Maybe not in the circumstances I’ve had to do it, but I think it’s good to learn. To me, that’s something I now can add to myself as a coach. I’ve really enjoyed coaching and being over there on defense and working with the defensive backs and helping on special teams. It’s really broadened my thought process as a football coach, so it’s really been great.”
^ More on Palmer:
“He can spin the ball like nobody can. He can throw a football and throw it well. I know the criticism of turnovers and the things that people say, but no one knows. I mean I don’t know if the receivers weren’t in the right spot or protections. I mean a lot of things go into interceptions that I don’t think people truly understand. But at the end of the day this is a really good football player. …
There’s other people that can throw it, but trust me, there’s not many than spin it like he can. He can really spin a football.
^ Is Palmer the same guy he was in 2005, his best season:
“I think he’s probably better, because he’s more mature. He probably understands the league a lot more. You’re not going to fool him with too many things. He’s probably seen it all and done it all. Again, he’s playing like everybody knows he can play. I know there’s a lot of yards there, and people will dispute that for whatever their reasons are, but when I watch him on tape, I see a really good football player.”
^ Is Palmer all the way back after knee and elbow injuries:
“He’s beyond that. He was beyond that a year ago. The guys’ tough, he a competitor, he takes care of his body, he loves the game, he works at it. Again, at the end of the day, he’s one of the guys in this league that you would like to have him because you know what he brings. He’s going to work every day and give you an honest day’s work.”
^ On being back together with Marvin Lewis:
“Me and Marvin go back a long way … I can talk to him and say things that maybe I wouldn’t say to anyone else. … So that part’s been really fun. And that’s what’s helped me grow. I’m probably a much better football coach than I was a year ago, and probably will be as I continue to go through this process.”
^ On getting a coordinator or head coach job next year — and being mentioned for the Cal opening:
“Whatever the next step is in my life is going to unfold. I try not to worry about any of that right now. What I’m trying to do is we’re worried about the Oakland Raiders, and that’s where I am right now. Try to take it just one step at a time. Whatever the future holds, it holds. I can’t worry about it at this point.”
^ On college job being intriguing:
“At this time what’s intriguing is beating the Oakland Raiders. That’s the only thing I can think about at this point.”
November 21st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Change your glasses.
Yes, it’s the middle of the season, but the only reason it’s brought up is because we’re going into Cincy, with Cincy’s previous qb, while Cincy has the Raiders previous HC.
Regardless of the year, coaches and players always play the politically correct card when discussing someone they previously played with/under. Only an idiot would burn that bridge, never knowing for sure if you might be on a team with that player/coach.
Lots of comments out there, from players, questioning Hue last year. Same with most of the posters from here.
You just choose to ignore them.
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Jackson’s former players in Oakland have “a lot of respect” for him.
“So I’m sure we’ll give him a hug after the game,” Seymour said. “He’s a guy that we have a ton of respect for. He was a heck of a play-caller for sure. And he loved his players. That’s something that we’ll take from it.
tuff. I thought he was a great head coach.”
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Who is choosing to ignore?
November 21st, 2012 at 7:45 pm
If the Bengals drop 50 on us and we score 2 or 3 points, they should fire everyone, including the guy that cleans the Raider locker rooms.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Ok I dont get it. Mark allows for HUE TO TRADE FOR PALMER.. but then he fires him before he gets a real chance to work with him???!??
Only the f’n raiders would do something like that.
Hue/Palmer/DMAC/ POWER RUN GAME.. would be one of the most explosive offenses in the NFL RIGHT NOW.
We’d be going into this weak.. talking about how The Raiders were gonna crush the Benguls
November 21st, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Seems like we were a Jack Del Rio away from being a 10-6, 11-5 team. We’ll never know, obviously. lol
November 21st, 2012 at 7:52 pm
what a freakin idiot allen is…you can tell the players played for hue….theyve quit on da already…
November 21st, 2012 at 7:52 pm
week*
November 21st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Personally, i’m getting sick of these blog battles.
“At the end of the day” we are all Raider fans and ultimately want the same thing.
If we were all hanging out at a sports bar watching the games we would all be high fiving and fist bumping each other after every good play.
We all just have different ideas of how to get where we all want to be.
Peace.
November 21st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Dj,
The reason most of these posters act tough and insult others is, they seek attention because they lack it in the real lives and they are behind a computer and would never dare run their traps in outside in the real world.
If ever I come across a Raider fan while i’m bartending, I buy em a shot or a round on the house…it’s all love and respect.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
RAIDERNATION—OPERATION –” HEADS WILL ROLL ” HAS STARTED!
You Dudes must be excited -.Already Firing Squad is Ready.!
One is gone and Mr.Davis Mad like Hell. GOOD!
Hope he can give me.the Gifts that I wanted before Christmas!
# 1 Look at Raider film 3-4 weeks back, play by play and players
in them .
#2 Fire and Dump 1/2 of these Clowns!
#3 Bring Pryor and the Rookies out ! Enjoy
#4 Get Rid of Knapp ! Bring Al Sunder
#5 Start looking for NFL Players and Trades and Draft.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
not even da knows whats going on….
November 21st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
I never once saw a reason for other ppl to start name calling.
I just want the Raiders to win period. Return to Greatness for the fans.. and for AL and the ORG. We were on our way…..thennnnn
November 21st, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I’ll admit, the coaching staff has done a sub par job. But, this roster needs to be blown up. If these losers are pining over Hue Jackson, they can go play in Cincinnati. We don’t need them. Cut them all.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:05 pm
DMAC/ POWER RUN GAME
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Disagree.
Reggie would have still made a lot of the same roster moves. Satele wasn’t getting resigned. Our Oline would have had 2 new OGs and Wiz playing C.
Most importantly, DMac is clearly a half step slower coming off that foot injury.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Dropped passes per QB.
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/11/21/sig-stat-snapshot-dropped-passes-per-qb/
November 21st, 2012 at 8:06 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Change your glasses.
Yes, it’s the middle of the season, but the only reason it’s brought up is because we’re going into Cincy, with Cincy’s previous qb, while Cincy has the Raiders previous HC.
Regardless of the year, coaches and players always play the politically correct card when discussing someone they previously played with/under. Only an idiot would burn that bridge, never knowing for sure if you might be on a team with that player/coach.
Lots of comments out there, from players, questioning Hue last year. Same with most of the posters from here.
You just choose to ignore them.
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Jackson’s former players in Oakland have “a lot of respect” for him.
“So I’m sure we’ll give him a hug after the game,” Seymour said. “He’s a guy that we have a ton of respect for. He was a heck of a play-caller for sure. And he loved his players. That’s something that we’ll take from it.
tuff. I thought he was a great head coach.”
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Who is choosing to ignore?
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I just detailed how players and coaches always have praise (or say nothing at all) regarding players/coaches. Rarely if ever do you see someone stupid enough to say what they feel. It’s always “don’t say something that will make headlines”. THEY TEACH THAT TO ROOKIES THE FIRST WEEK THEY ARE IN THE NFL.
Now, considering I already stated it, and you asked, and I had to restate it, it’s very obvious it’s YOU THAT IS CHOOSING TO ONLY READ WHAT FITS YOUR AGENDA.
As I recall, some players, when asked how it was to play under Hue, stated “NO COMMENT”. Now, would you like me to pull those up for you?
don’t know why I would, considering you pick and choose what you want to believe, ignoring facts.
I know this hurts ya, down deep, but Hue just wasn’t a very good head coach.
for fun? When I feel like it? I’ll pull up some posts from posters from here, back then, stating the exact same thing.
Not that you’ll read it.
Not that I care.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
I never once saw a reason for other ppl to start name calling.
I just want the Raiders to win period. Return to Greatness for the fans.. and for AL and the ORG. We were on our way…..10 and thennnnn.
lol
November 21st, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Reggie didnt change to the ZBS guy.. THAT was Allens/ KNAPPS call.
He said his HEAD coach can run either scheme and he was comfortable with it. Thats where reggie fugged up. Hiring a coach that wanted to switch offensive schemes. DEFENSE REGGIE DEFENSE
November 21st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Ghost, I didn’t say Hue was a great coach. I NEVER said that.
I’m contrasting where we are now to where we were…or better said where it looks like we were heading.
I will state it right now.
I don’t believe Hue was a “great” coach.
It doesn’t hurt me at all to say that.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:17 pm
So when Joe Vitt gushes about Dennis Allen, it is all just the good ol boys system, a fraternity of coaches talking each other up at any turn. Pay no attention to it.
But when Marvin Lewis does so about a coach on his staff, it is now worth it’s weight in gold?
Mularkey!!!!!!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 8:17 pm
DUDES it couldn’t get any better than this and they are facing the Real Facts and the Truth about the Raiders
The Offense has No Blood ! And is Scoring 25 Pts or less.
The Defence is HORRIBLE
November 21st, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Raiders CB Michael Huff on Green: “He’s an animal. You can throw it up to him, he just goes up and gets it, just makes plays.”
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Let the execuses begin Michael. No “imma shut him down sunday.. watch” its he catches everything haarrrible
November 21st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
My wife told me today that a 35 year old Afghan War vet came in today to the ER with lingering issues from his Lis Franc he had a few years back.
They had to remove his big toe.
Lis is not chick we should be messing with.
McFadden & Ford + Lis Franc = never the same player again
November 21st, 2012 at 8:23 pm
0bama pollster: Gallup, public polling needs a retooling
http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/?hp=bh
November 21st, 2012 at 8:24 pm
I thought he was a great head coach.”
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Richard Seymour is saying that..NOT ME.
I don’t agree with him. I also didn’t agree with him when he said we had a top 5 defense.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:25 pm
We are one of the lowest in scoring because we have a non-existent run game. But I agree The blame is on Knap and his play calling. Notice how Palmer does pretty well in the no huddle gets us in a goal line situation or close ,to then Knap has them in a huddle just to kills the drive and end up with 3. If we had a just a decent run game I believe the points would be greater. My point is Palmers fine , O.C needs to go!
November 21st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
MYTHBUSTERS – OAKLAND RAIDERS EDITION
MYTH: Hue Jackson lost the team at the end of last year and there’s no way he could’ve come back because of that.
TRUTH: This was a popular but totally unfounded excuse cooked up by fans and media speculation. Never did a single player from the 2011 team say or even suggest this. To the contrary, Seymour, Jacoby Ford, Housh and Carson Palmer expressed shock and disbelief at Hue’s firing. For further proof against this BS myth, read Steve’s above blog entry.
MYTH: Sure, Carson may be on pace for nearly 5,000 yards and 30 TDs, but that’s only because of garbage-time stats he’s amassing because the Raiders are losing so badly all the time.
TRUTH: Palmer has just 83 total passing yards more in the second half of games than the first half (about 1,470 to 1,553). He has an identical 1st and 2nd half QB rating. This is just one of those lazy assumptions reporters and analysts make because it’s easy to assume it’s true — but it’s pure myth. This is one of those classic whack-a-mole jobs by analysts who will withhold any credit from Palmer because the preordained storyline was that the Raiders paid too much for Palmer. Forget the actual facts. Forget that the guy is far and away the Raiders’ MVP and has had to completely carry the team on his back at times. Forget that he has to play with the worst defense in the NFL and that the once-proud running game has been turned to mush and the special teams has been a hot dumpster fire at times and that the o-line has regressed horribly. Nope. Palmer must be failing, they say. But he’s not.
More to come (some other time).
November 21st, 2012 at 8:29 pm
How many draft picks have the Raiders waste the past few years in futile attempts to make the playoffs?
November 21st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
If Al Davis believed in rebuilding, we would be much better off right now.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Raiders – TEAM is DNA – Disfuctional (K)Napp Associates
The Team is posses and needs to Remove all Negativity and
All the Zombies and players that are Hurting us.Those who don’t
Want to play or stay back and Play.not so hard and are always
Disable of faking and cant work out!
November 21st, 2012 at 8:32 pm
I have never heard Richard Seymour say one thing worth an ear of corn since he came here.
How’s Matt Shanaughessy Rich? He can be the best DE in the league.
How’s the new staff? I love what they are doing, and things are much more organized than ever.
How’s the old staff Mr. Seymour? I thought they were great.
How do like playing for Al Davis? I love the man, he is one of a kind, playing for the organization is a dream come true.
How do you like playing for the new owner and GM? They really have moved things in the right direction and I love what they are doing.
Dude is worse than Baghdad Bob!!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Help me with this please.
What is it about DA that has you confident about where we are headed?
Forget about Hue. Imagine DA replaced Joe Schmo ( a fine coach in his own right, but nonetheless).
November 21st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Wow, Harbaugh is going with Kaepernick for now. Ballsy gamble.
BTW, Molly Qerim from the NFLN = MEGA HOT!!!
November 21st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Who’s having a worse sophomore slump, Cam Newton or Klay Thompson?
I thought this guy could shoot? 30% on 6 three’s a night?
Horrible
November 21st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
What is it about DA that has you confident about where we are headed?
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He’s young, youngest coach in the league, and has been uber successful everywhere he has went.
Best coaching prospect we have had since Jon Gruden.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
JFB,
Fair points.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
If the Raiders get killed by the Bengals, something is going to change. It has to.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
What is it about DA that has you confident about where we are headed?
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He’s young, youngest coach in the league, and has been uber successful everywhere he has went.
Best coaching prospect we have had since Jon Gruden.
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Look at his résumé, it’s paper thin.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Allen_(American_football)
November 21st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
I am sure if you asked Richard Seymour about playing with Carson Palmer, he would say he is the best QB he ever played with.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
DA after one year as a DC,where Denver finished #20………………… Über successful?
November 21st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Look at his résumé, it’s paper thin.
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Nothing wrong with a metororic rise to the top of your profession.
Coached DB’s in New Orleans, a unit that sealed a Super Bowl with an pick 6 off one of the best QB’s who ever lived.
Coached one year as a DC, for a division champion with his defense being the strength of his team.
After that, had MULTIPLE HC interviews around the league, and became the youngest HC in the NFL.
We need to give the kid a 10 year contract and let him do his thing.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
What is it about DA that has you confident about where we are headed?
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He’s young, youngest coach in the league, and has been uber successful everywhere he has went.
Best coaching prospect we have had since Jon Gruden.
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Fair points on Seymour, but the fact DA is… young i guess is a plus. I thought it was when we got him at least.
DA’s biggest gig though was as DC for Denver.
I wouldn’t call the 20th ranked defense being “uber successful” and giving up 45 pt’s to NE in the playoffs successful either.
Hey, you have confidence in him that’s your opinion and your entitled to it.
I have issue with the horrible performance of the team the last 3 weeks…getting humiliated and embarrased, and the 3rd quarter squshings we are enduring, which suggest a situation of being grossly out coached.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Look at the 49rs and Detroit Lions and others who started
2-3 years back and how well and improve they are.
Eliminate all this players and let us Have Fun by letting us look
For new rookies and other NFL players and put them on the field these week # 10 -#16 .
November 21st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Alot of guys, including me are down on DA and this whole ‘New Era’ right now.
It’s that damn scoreboard that keeps getting in the way of embracing this.
I hope it gets better. I don;t care about being right on a blog. I care about winning. At LEAST (for this yr) making progress.
Right now thru 10 games we are regressing horribly.
That’s the only problem I have.
November 21st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
RAIDERNATION –Let PRYOR out of the Gate and Dump 1/2 of this Team and get Rid of Knapp this weekend and look at –
DEFENSIVE COACHES FROM REAL MANLY DEFENSES LIKE- PITTSBURGH- RAVEN–ATLANTA–DOLPHINS–GIANTS.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:00 pm
da has lost this team, you can tell from the interviews about hue…
November 21st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Mike Tomlin’s rise to a HC job parallels DA’s rise, almost indentically.
DB coach of a Super Bowl winning team. One season as DC. Hired as youngest HC in the game.
Tomlin took over the most stablest of franchises in all of sports. DA took over a grease fire, with change coming from every location you could have it within a sports team.
These type of people, don’t fail, given time.
The last 3 weeks has stunk. DA is surely pissed, and he is getting rid of the people (like Curry) that it is not pissed off enough about it. Given a few more drafts, some growth amongst the young guys, the ability to go out this offseason and not have to sign ONLY C level FA’s, and we will be fine.
I thought it would come sooner, but I know it WILL come.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
da has lost this team, you can tell from the interviews about hue…
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So interviews from the single biggest failures by players from our offense and defensive side of the ball (Darren and Seymour) is a tell?
Those clowns won’t be here next year anyways. Nothing like praising the previous coach from the training room, deflecting all blame from your own massive flop of a season.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
I think people on this blog are just a smaller sample size of the entire NFL? I remember reading that about half the people who have worked with Hue thinks he’s a clown and the other half swear by him. So the reality has to be somewhere in between?
Speaking of reality – Hue is gone Knapster is here and instead of worrying about coulda woulda shoulda I’ve decided to change my focus to the future and to me the big questions are:
We all know there will be a big roster over haul – will that include McFadden and Palmer?
I totally expect Reggie and the coaching staff back. But what if this season gets WAY out of hand? Can the new regime really come across as legit if they don’t hold Coordinators accountable who; can’t move the ball, or stop people on the other team with the ball?
My guess is a blood letting of players and the current staff use their “get out of jail free” cards until Reggie has an entire draft class and off season.
Speaking of Reggie (I don’t live in the Bay Area) does he ever speak to the media? Very interested to hear a take from him.
Also wanted to wish all my American friends a happy and safe Thanks Giving Weekend.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
what has tomlin won? a super bowl with cowhers players? since then how many? DA has lost this team…he is good at that….losing
November 21st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
So interviews from the single biggest failures by players from our offense and defensive side of the ball (Darren and Seymour) is a tell?
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Darren avg 5 yds per carry before these bums
Seymour leads the team in sacks, has 3 rings.
Yeah, that’s a tell.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
reggie cant even complete a sentence…
November 21st, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Darren avg 5 yds per carry before these bums
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Wow, 5 yards a carry in October??
Surely nobody has ever done that before.
How many good games has he played in December? He has 4 career December TD’s, in 5 years.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
definetly not anybody with krapp as an oc…(go ahead and google jfb)
November 21st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Darren McFadden = Alex Rodriguez of NFL RB’s.
Great in October (or May in Alex’s case), nowhere to be found by the end of EVERY season.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Look at his résumé, it’s paper thin.
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Nothing wrong with a metororic rise to the top of your profession.
Coached DB’s in New Orleans, a unit that sealed a Super Bowl with an pick 6 off one of the best QB’s who ever lived.
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And that’s the best thing you can say about him there? A DB picked off a pass for a TD and the secondary is Head Coach material? How you think they got that ring? The #1 scoring offense or the 20th ranked defense?
Coached one year as a DC, for a division champion with his defense being the strength of his team.
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Strength huh? On defense they were 24th in points, 20th in yards, 18th in pass yards, 28th in INT’s,22nd in rush yards, 28th in TO’s, yet they had the #1 rushing attack on offense and finished 8-8.
After that, had MULTIPLE HC interviews around the league, and became the youngest HC in the NFL.
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And we are the only place that hired him.
We need to give the kid a 10 year contract and let him do his thing.
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Of course we should, he has shown us so much to warrant contract extension. The hell with win improvement and being competitive. He has cut down penalties.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
what has tomlin won? a super bowl with cowhers players? since then how many? DA has lost this team…he is good at that….losing
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Exactly, Tomlin made another bonehead decision last Sunday…DA has shown us he can get our asses kicked and enjoy it.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Al Davis was the raidersand now he’s dead so the raiders are dead. This team will never be any good because now Mark Davis is owner and he knows nothing about football through his own admittance. Firing hue proves not only does he know nothing about football but he’s willing to mettle and put his ego before the well being of the team which was his fathers worse trait although it wasn’t as bad with al because he actually had some type of knowledge… The raiders ate doomed the way I see it, I don’t see things getting any better with mark at the helm. Smh
November 21st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
dennis allen < rod marenelli…
November 21st, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
DA took over a grease fire, with change coming from every location you could have it within
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LMAO! He has put in his own grease fires, see destroying strengths of the team.
These type of people, don’t fail, given time.
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Sure thing dude, he’s failure-proof. He has the “it” factor.
The last 3 weeks has stunk. DA is surely pissed,
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Uh huh, just like when we got our asses handed in Denver & he is giggling with the other coach like a lil b!tch.
I thought it would come sooner, but I know it WILL come.
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Oh that’s so reassuring.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
The Mack Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Al Davis was the raidersand now he’s dead so the raiders are dead. This team will never be any good because now Mark Davis is owner and he knows nothing about football through his own admittance. Firing hue proves not only does he know nothing about football but he’s willing to mettle and put his ego before the well being of the team which was his fathers worse trait although it wasn’t as bad with al because he actually had some type of knowledge… The raiders ate doomed the way I see it, I don’t see things getting any better with mark at the helm. Smh
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starting to agree, him and the new regime love change for the sake of change…Hopefully he is realizing right now that firing Hue without a real plan has backfired tremendously.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Fine and bench sit and Dicipling players and show them that we are tough and “Are not going to putup with it. A LA Bilichcke and Fox.and Harbaugh and Coughin.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
dennis allen < rod marenelli…
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Brad Johnson gave an interview in Mpls and said Rod Marinelli was the best coach he had ever been around…Thus an 0-16 season. Give Allen time, he can get one of those.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Yep I said it after The Denver loss. Im starting to think the Raiders will never be good again. Espcially with this new “regime”
November 21st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
once reggie goes or changes his strategy….they can become good again
November 21st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Raiders are gonna need a proven head coach in this era..
November 21st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
That Denver game said a lot to me as well because not only did we get creamed but we got creamed by the bronco’s are most hated rival and the coach just looked so Ginger and happy just the smiling as if nothing happened. If Al were around he’d of been fired that day for kissing bronco tail. He’s not a HC and he’s most definitely not a raider.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
check out Gruden in action.. i cant find a speech with the raiders.. but this will do. This is how u command a room
http://youtu.be/cgAYkFhZ2ho
November 21st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
exactly what ive been saying da is a donkey disciple….
November 21st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
The Mack Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
That Denver game said a lot to me as well because not only did we get creamed but we got creamed by the bronco’s are most hated rival and the coach just looked so Ginger and happy just the smiling as if nothing happened. If Al were around he’d of been fired that day for kissing bronco tail. He’s not a HC and he’s most definitely not a raider.
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2nd that! I’m still steaming from that one. And what was tits’ excuse? Fox made a funny about us not losing guys to injury. Yeah ok Tits. That’s hilarious…You might wanna review that photo Mark when it comes time to deciding if you want to retain him.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Raiders are gonna need a proven head coach in this era..
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Yeah, a Coach with Gravitas and Wisdom.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
http://youtu.be/cgAYkFhZ2ho
Here is a little bit of what were missing. True Leader right here.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
http://youtu.be/YIuIUYLwmvE
Another one here. This one got me all fired up lol.
November 21st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Start the game by throwing short on 1rst downs. Like Brady
Sharpen Palmer targets at close range
Make some trick plays in game and Don’t Just Play the normal game
Go for it like Brady on 4th down nearly all time.
Surprise the other team and show me that we do those same plays!
November 21st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
wonder what da says at halftime….we got them right where we want them….now if we can possibly get in osition to possibly get to the redzone, it might be possible to attempt a field goal possibly…
November 21st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Wow that GRUDEN vid back in Raider territory last week was awesome.
Im telling you he is your coach these young candy azz players are gonna listen. Im not even joking skip bayless said the RAIDERS need TEBOW he is the perfect Gameday Raider.. was passion.
He said the only coach that would give him a shot now is Jon Gruden. Could u imagine both Raiders?? haha
November 21st, 2012 at 9:55 pm
QUESTION? -WHY WHY WHY -Can’t we play like New England “Brady” and we look so Bad.
Why ESPN never talk about us and only about the Cowboys?
November 21st, 2012 at 10:01 pm
just saw a picture of da in full donkey gear…with his red sharpie…lol what a clown…
November 21st, 2012 at 10:03 pm
DA is a Fugazzi azz coach. The only reason he was even considered for a job was cuz of TEBOW last year. They were 1-4 with ORTON.. then tebow came in and started controlling the game.
DA needs to thank TEBOW for his job
November 21st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
CLEAN THE HOUSE RRREGGGIE AND MARK .
They all Must be Shi#ing in their Pants. S#Bs !
HANG THEM HIGH !
November 21st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Why Allen say ” RAIDERS ” ARE NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME. !
HE IS RIGHT!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
WHY DON’T WE GET ALL THE NEW ENGLAND FILM TAPES FROM
ALL THOSE SAME TEAMS THAT THEY BEAT TO A PULP SENCES
AND COPY THOSE SAME PLAYS VS THOSE SAME TEAM? WHY
wd have a bigger and faster Reciver Corp.Better punter and kicker and some of our players are better than theirs!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
REGGIE AND MARK –Why don’t we Dig were there’s Gold like-
PITTSBURG, RAVEN, ATLANTA and GIANTS and get those ASSISTANT DEFENSIVE COORDINATERS like Al used to do.
HEY- GRUDEN Was an Assist- coach when Al pick him up from the Eagles!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
It’s funny how every coach we play says how great the Raiders are..then proceed to humiliate the team.
I wish DA would read all thse commentaries from media and fans that question his ability.
YES. ALOT of people are saying YOU are worse than Hue Jackson. MANY people are questioning the hiring of you to be coach. This is what happens when you trot out a team that embarrasses the fanbase.
Your ability is in severe question DA.
Do something about it!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
IF GRUDEN COULD COME BACK TO US, I WILL GIVE HIM
THE MAGIC LAMP!
November 21st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
DA needs to forget about this stupid azz zbs. IT DOESN’T WORK…at leat not with THIS TEAM.
Have the guts to give it up. If u truly care about winning or not having a humiliated fanbase AND team than do what is necessary. Drop the ego.
You will be judged on wins and losses, not on how “coachy” you sound. Nobody cares.
Wanna prove you belong? WIN a freaking game.
Thanks.
November 21st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
omoran Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
IF GRUDEN COULD COME BACK TO US, I WILL GIVE HIM
THE MAGIC LAMP!
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Hey…can i borrow the magic lamp?…by the way what IS this magic lamp?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
One coach (Hue Jackson) speaks to players, and ask them how he can best use their talents and gets great results. The other (Dennis Allen) comes in with a scheme touting how it worked in other places and the team/players regress. Why try fixing something that was never broken (lunacy)then sticking with the failed scheme long after it’s clear it’s not working.
Dennis Allen is not a decent NFL HC and NEVER will be. Wasting time with that guy is ignorant.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Things Hue did right:
Got his playmakers in the game, DHB, Moore and DMC were all performing because Hue put them in a position to succeed. Same goes for Oline.
Got our team to play hard (even with big injuries)
Made all of us including the team believe.
Gave us swagger and a Raider old school mentality
Took chances on O
Dealt with Al and gave him respect
Wanted to win NOW with urgency , which explains the CP trade (who is now our best player!)
Things he did wrong;
Got his nails done
Wanted more power to get rid of a garbage D coordinator who blew our season.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Hue had a huge impact on our team especially our offense the last 2 seasons, but he wasn’t a great HC IMO.
He had enough time to get his nails done when we were leading the league in penalties and had the worst defense in the league!
From 7-4 to 8-8 when we had a chance to win the division. He was 1-4 the last 5 games.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Derek Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
One coach (Hue Jackson) speaks to players, and ask them how he can best use their talents and gets great results. The other (Dennis Allen) comes in with a scheme touting how it worked in other places and the team/players regress.
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One coach came in with a TON of momentum made a TON of promises and then didn’t do sh**. Another coach has sat back to see what mess he inherited. You take the first pile of crap, I will stick with the second.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Bag on Hue all you want , but when Al died Hue was alone and took responsibility. He didn’t run from it , he embraced it. He took the players Al gave him and wanted to win. Winning is all that counts and Hue had that mentality. You anti- Hue people can have DOA and Big Dummy , who are zombies that have nothing to say and play it safe.
Hue took risks because it was the only way we were going to win. Win or die trying instead of being a system team with no fire and inferior talent getting out coached and out played.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:36 pm
meanwhile reggie is just marching people out or da is sitting them…you dont treat people like that. ..thats. how you get the rest of the team to quit on you….
November 21st, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Yeah Hue said he would clean up the penalties and failed. We we went into the tank and missed the playoffs. Our D failed and we had injuries. Hue steps up and demands accountability for the failure on D and gets canned ? A HC should call out the people who fail and get rid of them. Not talk about getting better each week and execution , which just gets worse each week
November 21st, 2012 at 11:42 pm
So you’ll take the coach who’s sat back and done nothing but watch the team burn… lol you must like to lose, this raider team is just for you. You say hue did nothing like DA has done something. Lol enjoy watching your boy set a franchise record getting creamed again this Sunday.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:42 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
So no-one else agrees with me that our biggest weakness is the pass rush?
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I agree with you that our pass rush is weak, for sure, no doubt. But the biggest weakness has to be the DA/knapp con game.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:45 pm
I understand that we lost our starting QB & RB, but we traded for Palmer and we has Bush.
1-4 and allowed Tebow and his team to win the division. No excuse for that.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:45 pm
I would love to see the players rally around Hue on Sunday. Send a message to Mark and Reggie. Getting rid of Hue at the time Reggie was hired was wrong. Now it is apparent it was a total mistake.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Hey Monkey Raider O. You just admitted Hue was a good O coach and made great strides. All we needed was to fix the D and Hue wanted a real DC. Now both our O and D suck.
Your logic is skewed. Typical SDSU ignorance
November 21st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Had* Bush
November 21st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Derek Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
One coach (Hue Jackson) speaks to players, and ask them how he can best use their talents and gets great results. The other (Dennis Allen) comes in with a scheme touting how it worked in other places and the team/players regress.
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One coach came in with a TON of momentum made a TON of promises and then didn’t do sh**. Another coach has sat back to see what mess he inherited. You take the first pile of crap, I will stick with the second.
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“didn’t do sh**.”???
Cut the nonsense. DMAC and JC got hurt. If that did not happen the Raiders would have made a playoff run last year and Hue would still be the coach making a playoff run this year.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Lol
November 21st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Raider O. We lost more that just our QB and RB. Also our top WR’s .
November 21st, 2012 at 11:50 pm
– Wide receiver Denarius Moore and Palmer at times in recent games looked as if they were playing together for the first time.
Only one of seven passes directed for Moore against the Saints found the mark. Against the Buccaneers, a late pass by Palmer ended up in the arms of a Bucs defensive back, with Moore breaking toward the middle of the field, away from the ball.
Allen said everyone has a share of blame for Palmer and Moore not being on the same page as often as desired.
“It’s all of our responsibility,” Allen said. “First of all, all of us need to look internally at what we need to do better to make this thing work. And then, collectively, as a group, how can we work to make this better?”
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That’s what happens when you scrap what once worked and force feed a pipe dream to players who don’t buy it. Simply breath taking.
You have to love the root if you want to eat the fruit.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:50 pm
I wonder if Cinci blows us out if Hue will get a Gatorade bath like Callahan did the first time he blew us out as an assistant?
November 21st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
BabySlash Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Things Hue did right:
Got his playmakers in the game, DHB, Moore and DMC were all performing because Hue put them in a position to succeed. Same goes for Oline.
Got our team to play hard (even with big injuries)
Made all of us including the team believe.
Gave us swagger and a Raider old school mentality
Took chances on O
Dealt with Al and gave him respect
Wanted to win NOW with urgency ,
which explains the CP trade (who is now our best player!)
Things he did wrong;
Got his nails done
Wanted more power to get rid of a garbage D coordinator who blew our season.
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Are you kidding me? This is a joke right? Let’s make the proper corrections
Got his playmakers in the game, DHB, Moore and DMC were all performing because Hue put them in a position to succeed. Same goes for Oline. TRUTH: Jacksons offense went almost HALF A SEASON SCORING ZERO THATS RIGHT ZERO SECOND HALF POINTS. DUMB LUCK ALONE, would score more more points than Jackson
Got our team to play hard (even with big injuries)
Oh puh-lease. 0-5 errrrr, 1-4 down the stretch when everything matters is not having your team playing hard. Unless when you say playing hard you mean sucking ass.
Made all of us including the team believe. made us all believe? I sure as sh** didn’t believe and neither did the .200 winning team in the end.
Gave us swagger and a Raider old school mentality. Actually, that was Tom Cable. Halfway thru the season that swagger was gone.
Took chances on O. No, he took chances on special teams. And opponents caught up to him, and that
didn’t work either.
Dealt with Al and gave him respect
Wanted to win NOW with urgency ,
which explains the CP trade (who is now our best player!)
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I will give you the last two altho how much that helped I don’t know.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
DA had a full offseason to evaluate this team and find out what he had, on top of the advantage of having played the raiders twice last year to get an idea of what type talent or lack there of he was receiving when he took the job. So to say DA had no idea of what he was getting when he took the job is a lame excuse SeymourBush…. you’re spinning horse z#!+ right now.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:52 pm
knapp bunghole surfers have all deserted the ship. Looks like a few DA nutt huggers still clinging on. Not may left tho.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:54 pm
RaidO Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
If that did not happen….
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If ifs and buts were candy and nuts we’d all have a happy Christmas. Vince Lombardi
November 21st, 2012 at 11:55 pm
You are right. Moore and Ford were injured. I still think he could have done more to fix these issues:
1- penalties
2- defense
3- roster management
November 21st, 2012 at 11:57 pm
The Mack Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
DA had a full offseason to evaluate this team and find out what he had,
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When you say things like this it shows you have NO IDEA what you are talking about. Each year every team is different, and you never know what you have until the real bullets start flying. Not preseason.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:58 pm
The reason DA wants to rid all the players except for this years rookies is because if you played for Cable or Hue, you know what a coach that can fire you up to play football is like. No wonder this team can’t buy into the DA/knapp con game.
Players need to rally around Hue on Sunday.
November 21st, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Right now, I can ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE YOU, Dennis Allen KNOWS what he has in his players. And it ain’t pretty.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:00 am
just a few bootlickers left…
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:03 am
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Right now, I can ABSOLUTELY GUARANTEE YOU, Dennis Allen KNOWS what he has in his players. And it ain’t pretty.
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Right now, I can ABSOLUTELY GUARENTEE YOU, the players KNOW what they have in their coaches. And it ain’t pretty.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:12 am
OK so what’s the point of practice then Seymour???? It means nothing I guess. Its impossible to evaluate a players abilities in camp huh? Oh ye and game film doesn’t matter at all right? You know from the previous year when those “real bullets” are flying? And I guess he just was absent when he coached against the raiders to get an idea of what this team was capable of last year right? Gtfoh I.don’t know what I’m talking about? Pshhh… you’re just making excuses for this clown and lame ones at that. He has players that can play he just doesn’t have the Witt’s to get the best out of their abilities because he’s a horrible HC. We all know Smack is capable of more than 3 yards a carry, we all know D Moore is a is a capable really reciever and the list goes on. I know I can’t convince you other wise but sorry to tell you buddy you’re. Wrong. DA is a fraud.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:12 am
When Palmer beat the Chargers last year in San Diego with the no huddle, it was because Hue unleashed him. Hue had the brains to see what he had in a QB. Hue woulda been intent on building a team around Palmer. If our defense last year wasn’t a leaky s.o.b., we’d been 11-5, 12-4. knapp has tried to force feed Palmer and the rest of a decent offense a scheme that chains the players to failure. And DA has allowed this. It takes a great coach to bring out the best in a QB (Hue and Palmer, and the list is huge). Coaches need to sh*t can the ZBS. And don’t say “Oh, look what Reece did against the Saints’. Saints run D is awful.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
Smack. Is supposed to be Dmac* typo
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:21 am
Wonder if DA has a game plan for the Bengals? What a bunch of fckng horse sh*t to see what this season has become. What is evident know with these ‘pipe dreams’ will only get worse. We had a horrid defense last year and we got worse. Really? Is that all you got? We had a promising offense ready to get better. And what the fck just happened.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:22 am
S. Bush. Palmer came in off the couch and we still had a better offense than this year with a full training camp. If you think that DA is better than Hue that’s fine with me. I have my opinion. Now you can go back to your crusade against the trolls lol
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 am
Well, here we are. The week has arrived when people can dredge up whether the Raiders made the right decision in firing coach Hue Jackson and whether the trade Jackson engineered for quarterback Carson Palmer was worth it or not.
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Getting Palmer was a bold and correct move by Hue Jackson. And rest assured the rest of the Raider brass had to sign off on it.
Firing Hue was just as wrong then as it is now. Al Davis never did anything as stupid as this in all his time with the Raiders.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 am
Bottom line is all semis and even trolls in here KNEW that Knapp would suck ! We all knew this because we’d seen it before. We knew who we was.
DA blew it right there. All credibility gone.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:30 am
McFadden was rocking and exploding under Hue. He could bust loose at any time and was punishing defenders by delivering a blow with his pads or stiff arm . Now he runs like a confused guy trapped in the backfield and runs out of bounds.
All scheme! He is a tough guy who ran hard and was feared.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:33 am
McFadden , DHB and Moore were given rising players who were explosive. Reduced to chumps because of lame coaching.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:35 am
“I felt like he helped me a whole lot, just building my confidence in the league and he gave me the opportunity to show folks I can go out there and run the ball the way I do,” McFadden said.
McFadden rushed for a career-high 1,157 yards in 2010 and 614 in seven games last season. Both seasons, he averaged more than 5 yards per carry. He hasn’t averaged more than 4.4 yards in any of his three other NFL seasons, including a 3.3 mark this season.
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Well that just might be McFaddens ticket outta here. Good for him for having the balls to let DA/knapp know the truth.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:40 am
Los Locas. Unfortunately we are a “system” team now where talent comes second to fitting in. The Raiders died with Al
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:45 am
We have become vanilla-ized.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Yea man the raiders were built to be a fast high octane aggressive team but DA came in and tried to make us a clock managing soft conservative @$$ bunch of panzies. The way I see it he’s trying to use a Ferrari as a Ford pick up. Just doesn’t work that way.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:10 am
All right guys, here’s a little turd nugget.
I’ve got a inside source that overheard a ’someone’ talking about Allen has to win in Cincy on Sunday or he may get canned. Interim HC would be Knapp, lame duck all the way. Also got a inside tip that Gruden has been ‘dinig’ quite a bit with the Davis family, and one thing that leaked is if Gruden takes the HC job, the entire staff except for Willie Shaw is gone. Saunders may remain if Gruden wants him for OC. Another sorce from the inside told me that Amy is just about ready to reveal a football only new stadium deal right where the O sits now. Raiders will play at Cal for the next two years. My insider says the suits are so worried about losing the fan base, the only thing she feels will keep it all together is the new stadium, which makes sense considering the current state of the Raiders. Enjoy that little turd nugget while I’m trying to pry some info about who the new DC will be. But thats gonna take some expensive wine and a fine meal first, and maybe a little good old fashioned back seat of the car pole fishin.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:24 am
Another little turd nugget here.
My insider says she has heard rumors of Davis and Reggie arguing, like alot. Then Allen gets called in and gets it doble teamed my Davis and Reggie. So he may tank the game in Cincy just so he can get fired. DA thinks the players have quit on him, but Reggie and Davis aren’t buying it. Mark isn’t happy about the regression as you all know, but Reggie is pissed because Allen ain’t gettin it done. My source tells me Allen was pleading to fire knapp, but Reggie and Davis would have nothing to with that. Doesn’t make sense, but DA doesn’t have the gonads to fire knapp, and Reggie and Mark want him too. Talk about a conundrum. Wow, and the irony of it all. I’m trying to pry more out of my inside source, but she is only giving me a little bit at a time, probably because she feels if she tells it all, I’d have to dump her like a hot potato. But I’ll please her with some teasin and squeezin, let her go for a joy ride on my thrust rod and see what that gets. But I’m sure with a little more wine, another round of animal love and some ‘hard knox’, she’ll be spillin all the beans, and then some.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:29 am
Boz Hammerhorn Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:10 am
All right guys, here’s a little turd nugget…
Another source from the inside told me that Amy is just about ready to reveal a football only new stadium deal right where the O sits now. Raiders will play at Cal for the next two years.
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I’m sure the verbal attacks and snide remarks will be forthcoming, but I heard the exact same thing, from a conversation I had with a VERY credible source as well.
I believe you Boz. The Raiders are staying in Oakland. Coliseum City will be a reality, with or without the A’s.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:36 am
One more turd nugget before Itake the plunge.
My inside source says Al Lacosale may be back to assist Mark on day to day operations. That would be a good thing. She agrees. Not that I care what she thinks, I just want info. But I can’t satisfy her. She is a non stop nymph that is wearin me down to the bone, or whats left of it. Damn brahs, I’m gonna have to pull out a machine just to keep he happy so I can get a little sleep. She is ‘drying up my well’. I tell ya, information don’t come cheap. My johnson feels like it’s being ripped right outta the socket. Talk about a nad soakin, word. I’m gonna need a 10 gallon bucket of crushed ice and a bottle of Aloe Vera. Come to think of it, I don’t want to know anything anymore. My weiner is all petered out. A seven hour erection is all I got, and she doesn’t want to stop. She gonna have to find someone else to buy her dinner tomorrow night. Damn.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:51 am
If gruden comes back ill be extra excited. That’s a way to get the fan base back after a losing season, sounds like a great buisness decision. So I hope you’re right, and BTW who’s al lacosale?
November 22nd, 2012 at 3:11 am
Happy Thanksgiving my friends.
November 22nd, 2012 at 3:16 am
11 hrs of football……11 HRS OF FOOTBALL!!!
Thank you.Thank you.Thank you.
November 22nd, 2012 at 3:27 am
We fired a coach last year who did not make the playoffs. That coach is now an assistant for our next opponent. An opponent with whom we traded a 1st rounder for our QB. The QB who hated the opponent’s ownership so much he forced a trade.
Who made the right decision?
Raiders for firing Hue
Raiders trading high draft pics for a “real” QB
Bengals for hiring Hue
Bengals for receiving those draft pics?
On Sunday it will be settled on the field. The ball does lie.
November 22nd, 2012 at 3:28 am
the ball does *Not lie.
November 22nd, 2012 at 3:35 am
I have some sympathy towards the “play Pryor” position if we have nothing left to play for.
BUT we do have some young receivers that could benefit from a veteran QB, so there could be some benefit to keeping Palmer in there. If we throw TP in there the WRs will have to start from square-one with a rookie QB. That could hinder the WRs development.
Last time we paired rookie WRs (murphy Shilens,DHB) with a rookie QB (Jamarcus)–IT was total disaster.
November 22nd, 2012 at 3:38 am
“As more and more teams embrace the concept of adjusting offensive philosophies to suit the skills of quarterbacks who thrived at the college level, look for more teams to embrace young quarterbacks as they search for the rarest and most important commodity in football — the franchise quarterback.”
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except in Oakland where the HC/OC work hard to hold talent down.
November 22nd, 2012 at 3:40 am
This year the excuse was no 1st/2nd rounder draft pic; no time to recruit a proper Offensive coordinator and no salary-cap room.
This off season we will have plenty of time to scoop up talent on the offensive coordinator position, so there should not be any excuses as to why the coaching is off.
We will at least a 1st rounder so there should be less of an excuse for talent drop-off; however draft picks do take time to develop
I’m not sure about the Salary-Cap next year, but hopefully it is more manageable so as to be less of an excuse for the lack of talent.
November 22nd, 2012 at 4:04 am
The problem with Mcfadden then and now is his fragility. When Hue was able to set him loose, he got injured. Then, this year after he got a hundred yard game–boom injured again. It just seems that with Dmac its pick your poison either the scheme is bad or he gets injured. I think our best bet is to get a back that can deliver in short yardage situations and pair him up with a speedster back with good hands.
November 22nd, 2012 at 4:11 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
if tim tebow got a shot,
there is no justification for not giving pryor his shot
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Yeah, but those are completely different circumstances.
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that is beside the point that i am making.
your comment that he ‘wasnt ready” to be an nfl qb because of mechanics and so on should be thrown out.
tebow had more questions that anyone i can remember yet he is on the feild leading a playoff run last year.
if tebow can have a chance pryor should too. the questions around pryor are nearly as drastic
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maybe this is the problem with mistic. he thinks it’s a playground game and it’s “unfair” if pryor doesn’t get to play like some of the other kids.
look man. the kid isn’t anywhere near ready, and there’s no reason in the world for him to play over palmer right now.
get…..over……it
November 22nd, 2012 at 4:14 am
according to mistic, EVERY qb should get a chance. otherwise, teams just aren’t being fair.
man, dude. teams will play whoever they wanna play.
broken….f#king…….record.
November 22nd, 2012 at 4:33 am
Good morning
My hope for the day is that everyone finds something to be thankful for and that you enjoy the day with friends and family and that you have a huge feedbag attached to your head
Happy Turkey day
November 22nd, 2012 at 4:48 am
There’s nothing to be gained from starting Palmer here on out. There’s no way we’re going to make a run for a Wild Card spot the way this team is playing and coaching. Even if by some miracle we win 2 in a row at some point in our remaining schedule, we’ll drop too many games here and there to get eliminated. There’s absolutely zero consistency there to find that late-season momentum to surge for a playoff a la Giants.
It’s like Allen/Knapp are still drawing up the same tired gameplan and starters to try to get them to gel, to get them to find that efficiency and grasp of the new schemes that has been sought since pre-season. They’re like still in training camp mode 12 weeks into the season, trying to find that moment when special teams, defense and offense all click.
What I saw of him vs Saints his arm is on the wane anyway.
You’ll know if the coaches got the message or not if Pryor is activated and promoted to #2, to allow him to come into the game in the second half to get some drives in preparation for a start the following week.
If the coaches still have Pryor inactive, and we see them over-working Reece for 20 carries and running 20 routes, whilst Taiwan and Stewart get a handful of snaps, and Ausberry and Criner seldom see snaps…then it’s apparent the coaches are still too scared, too rigid, too stubborn, too bereft of imagination, to shake things up like Allen has been promising for about a month now with his “we’ll continue to re-evaluate everything” line. Allen/Knapp too insistent to keep bashing their heads against the wall, to keep grinding away their tired and predictable gameplan and formation packages.
Allen like pushing Reggie for “another week” “hopefully this time” the season’s plan/schemes/personnel clicks.
November 22nd, 2012 at 4:57 am
Btw, Mark Davis is smart enough to know he can’t create a lame-duck HC right now. Why he said, “they’re under contract, they’ll both be here.” If he said otherwise, especially of the HC, then the players would mail it in knowing he wont be around.
But secretly, there’s a likelihood Mark has talked to Reggie about Dennis Allen’s status being up in the air. If he doesn’t see improvement, he WILL fire Dennis, or Reggie will know that it’s inevitable he has to himself, regardless of Allen’s contract status.
Another way to put it…Allen is under contract, don’t know the figure, but it’d be a couple million a year. Mark as businessman will understand that honoring or saving $6M by keeping Allen could cost millions more in lost ticket and merchandise sales, if the 2012 and 2013 team continues to get pounded. That it could be smarter to lose $6M in paying out Allen, hire a more galvanizing HC, like Gruden would be, and that would bring the masses back to the stadium etc.
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:04 am
Realistically, considering Gruden’s ESPN contract and the politics there where they pushed Jaworski out to make Gruden ‘the man’ (long-term), i would guess that Gruden doesn’t make a HC return (to Oakland if he were to decide us) until 2014 IF Allen continues to fall on his face in 2013.
Plus, Gruden would probably be aware that if he were to return to coaching in 2013, angering ESPN, that ESPN would crucify his coaching in the media.
Then again, Gruden might still have that Raider-attitude in him where he is happy to return to coaching and flips the bird at the media.
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:06 am
“they’re under contract. they’ll be here.”
a ringing endorsement if i ever heard one.
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:09 am
not sure gruden would wanna come back here. he was traded.
places he might be interested:
dallas
philly
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:09 am
Happy thanksgiving Nation !!… .. Football allday…. Hope y’all have a good one…
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:11 am
dr_robert Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:06 am
“they’re under contract. they’ll be here.”
a ringing endorsement if i ever heard one.
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you can genuinely look at that two ways…a ringing endorsement, or, careful not to create a lame-duck HC.
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:13 am
That’s sorta funny thinking bspn would be mad at chuckie but they would have to cover him and he will be big news in dallas or philly.
I would not built my hopes up that he will come here.
despite what norcoboz says
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:17 am
As i touched on earlier…Mark “could” make a run for Gruden simply because there’s no greater way to galvanize and excite Raider Nation than the possibility of Gruden as HC. Him being so loved still. The PSLs would sell out early, there’d be no bigger buzz than Gruden getting introduced at a press conference in February as new HC, him flashing his famous scowl, the fans queueing up for miles to attend training camp practices, and the national media buzz.
Everyone thinks Dallas and Philadelphia, but Mark is not afraid to do something that Al never could. Mark not afraid to bring back someone who took a share of the Raider spotlight away from Al. Mark not afraid to make a national media splash by hiring a big fish like Gruden.
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:20 am
With Al now passed on, it’s now possible for Jon to return and not be squeezed by Al for being too high profile. That whole thing of “this town aint big enough for the both of us” thing.
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:28 am
Here’s some wild GG predictions then…
Raiders to lose yet again in a soulless or dispirited way vs the Bengals. And Palmer’s arm continues to wane. You guys will see it more apparently now, none of you bar me have talked about that all this week after seeing the saints game. But you will hear/read more mention of it by beat writers, the waning arm.
You wont hear much out of Mark/Reggie the rest of the season.
Gruden wont commit to anything anyway till the season is over. ESPN having to secretly find someone to replace Gruden as the flagship of MNF. Maybe a media leak in the next month about how someone got approached by ESPN, thus creating wildfire of media speculation that Gruden is indeed returning and him denying it.
With us eliminated from playoffs, Reggie pushes Allen to play the young’uns the rest of the way. So we finally get to see Pryor in full.
Then either during Super Bowl week, or after, Davis will hold a press conference and announce the firing of Allen and hiring of Gruden.
Mark will commit to this probably after he sees for sure what happens the next two games. Two more dispirited losses and then he’ll commit to this plan to get Gruden.
^^^ There’s your wild GG prediction. Bookmark it.
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:35 am
Repost with more added on…
With Al now passed on, it’s now possible for Jon to return and not be squeezed by Al for being too high profile. That whole thing of “this town aint big enough for the both of us” thing would be gone, so Jon would feel able and willing to return to his favorite place and be embraced again.
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:39 am
Also, Reggie is a WCO guy, and Gruden is far more accomplished in the WCO than Allen. So the system can continue without having to take another two steps back with the players.
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:53 am
Raider O Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:21 am
You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
BS!
Gallery
Grove
Mario
Vledheer
Barksdale
Wiz
26 yo rookie
All drafted in 1st 3 rounds in the last 8 years.
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Mario Veldheer Barksdale….4th rounders
26 yo rookie (Bergstrom)….very last pick of 3rd round
C’mon You People!
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:02 am
Palmer is 1-8 as a Raider when he throws for 300 yards or more. That is clear evidence that losing is not his fault. He throws for 300 yards because a) they can’t run the ball, and b)the defense blows and they are trying to play catch up.
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:04 am
A marquee LT ranked in the top 5 overall drafted with a high first rounder. Move Veldheer to RT. Draft the best Center with a second we get from trading McFadden (say). Then draft DB and LB. Then find an under the radar NT and Guards in the latter rounds.
Or, if we miss out on that marquee LT…
Draft the top-rated NT in the first. Draft best Center with the second (mcfadden trade). Then draft DB and LB. Then fill out remaining latter round picks with a RT and Guards. Veldheer to stay LT in this path.
That’s what needs to be done, imo.
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:17 am
GG I like the idea behind it. It would be a sell out.
I actually hope Mark is able to do it
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:29 am
Raiders RB’s not named McFadden have 65 carries for 312 yards, at 4.8 ypc.
Throw in that Darren leads the team in dropped passes, and is the only ball-carrier that lost a fumble this season, and therein lies to the biggest liability to the 2012 Oakland Raiders.
McNinny
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:32 am
Jon Gruden is NOT coming to Oakland to coach.
He made almost $5 million this year at ESPN, got an extension a month or so ago that will increase that.
Why on Earth would he come back to a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in a decade, has no idea where it will play it’s games in 2 years, and has no long-term QB situation.
NOt a chance in the world.
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:35 am
Boz Hammerhorn Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:10 am
All right guys, here’s a little turd nugget.
I’ve got a inside source that overheard a ’someone’ talking about Allen has to win in Cincy on Sunday or he may get canned. Interim HC would be Knapp, lame duck all the way. Also got a inside tip that Gruden has been ‘dinig’ quite a bit with the Davis family, and one thing that leaked is if Gruden takes the HC job, the entire staff except for Willie Shaw is gone. Saunders may remain if Gruden wants him for OC. Another sorce from the inside told me that Amy is just about ready to reveal a football only new stadium deal right where the O sits now. Raiders will play at Cal for the next two years. My insider says the suits are so worried about losing the fan base, the only thing she feels will keep it all together is the new stadium, which makes sense considering the current state of the Raiders. Enjoy that little turd nugget while I’m trying to pry some info about who the new DC will be. But thats gonna take some expensive wine and a fine meal first, and maybe a little good old fashioned back seat of the car pole fish in.
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Uh Willie Shaw? He ain’t here… Thrust her up in the air & hold her like Johnny Castle did to Baby. They melt when you do that fine sir.
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:53 am
Do people really think that Gruden would want anything to do with coaching in a lame duck stadium situation?
If he goes back to coaching, not entirely sure he will, it will to the biggest and brightest lights.
That is not here.
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:58 am
Gruden has his ring and nothing to prove to anyone but himself.Why would he give up an easy life in tv to be working all hours trying to rebuild either Oakland or Philly.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:00 am
This Gruden speculation is funny.
If you read the Arkansas or Tennessee Vol boards they ALL say the exact same stuff about him.
“Inside source says…” etc. etc.
Gruden LOVES the speculation though. he never denies anything.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:07 am
Gruden LOVES the speculation though. he never denies anything.
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Helps his negotiations with ESPN for his salary.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:09 am
Gruden LOVES the speculation though. he never denies anything.
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It’s a good idea on his part – “Look how many people what me”.No wonder he got 5 mill from ESPN.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:10 am
Beat me to it!!
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:16 am
Happy holidays to you all,..now that Big John canned Alex Smith I think the Raiders should offer up a draft pick for him,..hes 2-0 against the Raiders and is VERY underrated,…he would be the perfect fit in Oakland,..Hell he already is married to a Raiderette,…lets do this Reg you big dummy,..oh and by the way Reg, dont eat the whole F`n turkey again this year.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:19 am
I know for a fact Gruden was at Rickys Saturday night…let there be no doubt, Jon loves the Raiders…why he hangs at Rickys though is weird,..Ricky with that ridiculous toupee, and that pig of a wife hes got,…gross,..oh and thanks Ricky for charging fans 5 bucks just to walk inside that tiny bar of yours,…you prick.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:23 am
Gruden talk blew up on the Arkansas “Hog” boards when it was reported that Ark. offered him 6 mill. a yr. and then THAT NIGHT Gruden wears an “Arkansas red” tie on MNF.
You know Gruden does that stuff on purpose just to mess with people.
High profile celebs like Gruden have marketing agents who know that just having his name out there like that is great for their clients.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:26 am
Jon still owns a nice pad in BlackHawk,…doors down from Madden,..just sayin.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:29 am
Tennessee Vol boards are saying it will be announced on Nov. 30th (right after their game w/Kentucky) that Jon Gruden is the next head coach at Tenn.
50 mill. over 10 yr’s.
They all have “inside info from high level boosters” that it’s already been signed.
The owner of the Browns Jimmy Haslem, who owns the Pilot truck stops, is also a Tenn. alum and one of UT’s top donor/boosters and is supposedly gonna help fund the buyouts of Derek Dooley and staff as well as Gruden’s contract.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:29 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:19 am
I know for a fact Gruden was at Rickys Saturday night…let there be no doubt, Jon loves the Raiders…why he hangs at Rickys though is weird,..Ricky with that ridiculous toupee, and that pig of a wife hes got,…gross,..oh and thanks Ricky for charging fans 5 bucks just to walk inside that tiny bar of yours,…you prick.
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Oh c’mon now, he does it for the love of the Raiders. I don’t get why Jon goes in there. Oh yeah, I bet he takes ole Tina in the back and dips her in flour. Only way to find what you’re looking for if ya catch my drift. Maybe they should pay me $5 to look at that hag.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:33 am
Coach Allen, “I’ve been pleased with the play calling,..”
Tells me right there he’s an idiot.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:35 am
GG
Completely agree about our lines being the focus of this years draft.
Those that continue to talk about coaching, QB’s and Macfadden do not get it.
Though I consider the oline to be the heart of the team(When you are getting first downs our defense can not be bulldozed), our dline has deteriorated to a PATHETIC level.
DA for the first time acknowledged this week a talent problem when he said “we do not have that speed rusher on the edge like most teams”. A HUGE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT.
Our first two picks will be DT and DE. My hope is we can trade down in the first round and get a second round pick as well.
Seymour will be gone next year. What a complete waste of money.EMBARRASSING THAT HE ACTUALLY CASHES HIS PAYCHECK.
Kelly is a huge waste talent wise but at least he plays and practices.
Houston is the only keeper.
VERY VERY SAD STATE OF AFFAIRS.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:35 am
400,
It’s the EXECUTION they always say.
There’s some truth to that obviously.
To me that falls on the coaches too.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:37 am
would love chucky back but if it dont happen im cool with it just get “marks a lot” danus allen out of here!
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:42 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 5:53 am
Raider O Says:
November 20th, 2012 at 8:21 am
You win the game in the box. We have ignored that area for ten years with HIGH ROUND PICKS.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
BS!
Gallery
Grove
Mario
Vledheer
Barksdale
Wiz
26 yo rookie
All drafted in 1st 3 rounds in the last 8 years.
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Mario Veldheer Barksdale….4th rounders
26 yo rookie (Bergstrom)….very last pick of 3rd round
C’mon You People!
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Mario, Veldheer, and Barksdale are 3rd round picks!
C’mon You People!
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:43 am
Happy Thanksgiving.
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:58 am
Raider O Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:43 am
Happy Thanksgiving.
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Quit ruining our football b!tching with happy thoughts!
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:00 am
Raider O
You need to draft high (1st and 2nd rounds)to have a better chance of building your lines.(Look at how the Giants, Steelers and Ravens have drafted. You have to go back about 8 years but you can see that they are always building their lines. Please research it before you reply).
As I have said before, the great Raider teams were ALWAYS BUILT THAT WAY.
Sure you can get a miss like Gallery or a John Clay (Do even remeber him?)
The higher probability is you get a Mosebar, Lawrence Upshaw, Schuh,Robbins, McGlockton, Russell, Steve Wisnieski, Bruce Wilerson, Mo Collins, Pickel, Conners etc etc.
Do you even know who these guys are????
Do you really think Plunkett found himself with Oakland or do you think the Oline giving him five seconds to throw might have helped?
Your team is defined on the line of scrimmage and we have not invested enough 1 and 2nd rounders in these areas.
Further, the picks that we have made for the last ten years with our high picks have been disastrous.
Tui, JR, Buchanon, Washington, Teyo Johnson, Doug Jolley.
You do not have to look any further for ten straight years of no playoffs!!!!!
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:14 am
GO REDSKINS.
It will be a Happy Turkey Day if Wash. beats Dallas.
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:18 am
You need to draft high (1st and 2nd rounds)to have a better chance of building your lines.(Look at how the Giants, Steelers and Ravens have drafted. You have to go back about 8 years but you can see that they are always building their lines. Please research it before you reply).
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Steelers won a few SBs with a bad OL, and they still have issues with their OL.
The giants invest a lot in their DL but not their OL. They drafted 2 OL in the 1st 2 rounds in the last decade!
What are you talking about?
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:19 am
Happy Thanksgiving Raider Nation..!!
I’ve got the Texans … Dallas … And …Patriots winning today….
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:19 am
Giants drafted 2 OL in the 2nd round in the last 10 years!
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:20 am
Remember how the 76 Raiders won that popularity contest of best all time team on nfl.com?
I know a few zealous fans voted dozens of times to help but fans of other teams did the same.
It’s an indication that there are more than a few Raider fans out there.
It’s a shame with such a loyal, enduring fan base as ours have to endure these degrading, insulting and humiliating losses and have to hear media call us “laughingstock”…a ‘joke’ etc. etc.
Is it too much to ask that DA have this team ready to play on Sunday? Is it too much to ask he can make the “nation” proud for one Sunday afternoon?
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:22 am
Why do we have to look toward Sunday’s game at Cincinnati and have the sinking feeling we have no chance in hell of winning?
That’s just not right.
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:23 am
Giants and Steelers won multiple SBs without investing top picks in the OL.
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:24 am
Raider O Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:18 am
You need to draft high (1st and 2nd rounds)to have a better chance of building your lines.(Look at how the Giants, Steelers and Ravens have drafted. You have to go back about 8 years but you can see that they are always building their lines. Please research it before you reply).
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Steelers won a few SBs with a bad OL, and they still have issues with their OL.
The giants invest a lot in their DL but not their OL. They drafted 2 OL in the 1st 2 rounds in the last decade!
What are you talking about?
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I think the Giants DL drafted more CB’s than DL in the 1st round…But hey don’t confuse people with facts.
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:27 am
DJ Johnny Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:20 am
Remember how the 76 Raiders won that popularity contest of best all time team on nfl.com?
I know a few zealous fans voted dozens of times to help but fans of other teams did the same.
It’s an indication that there are more than a few Raider fans out there.
It’s a shame with such a loyal, enduring fan base as ours have to endure these degrading, insulting and humiliating losses and have to hear media call us “laughingstock”…a ‘joke’ etc. etc.
Is it too much to ask that DA have this team ready to play on Sunday? Is it too much to ask he can make the “nation” proud for one Sunday afternoon?
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I hear ya man but at this point I’m at the “fu** it”(Lebowski) stage. If we keep getting embarrassed maybe it gets the DA, no not Donkey A$$hole, Dennis Allen fired. A few embarrassments and there will be a change of guard, unless they want zero fans to show up next year. Hell I might even cancel my annual Oakland trip next year if these stooges don’t give us something.
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:29 am
You obviously did not do the research. Example:
Steelers
2012 1st round Guard 2nd round OT
2011 1ST round DT 2ND round OL
2010 1st round C 2ND ROUND DE
2009 1st round DE 2nd round T
This is what the Raiders used to do.
Get the skill guys in the later rounds but always build your lines.
I understand that you can find an ALL PRO Lineman in round three or later (Art SHell). THE PERCENTAGES ARE BETTER IN THE FIRST TWO ROUNDS.
After you build your line foundation then you can use high picks on skill guys.
Our Line play is AWFUL. We rank at or last in league in rush defense every year and we can not get sack WHILE RUSHING FOUR AGAINST ANYONE.
You must be able to see how other teams get the push on us?
Build the lines and the wins will follow.
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:37 am
Charlie Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:29 am
You obviously did not do the research. Example:
Steelers
2012 1st round Guard 2nd round OT
2011 1ST round DT 2ND round OL
2010 1st round C 2ND ROUND DE
2009 1st round DE 2nd round T
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I said they won SBs, so that means before the 2009 season.
C Pouncy was the 1st OL in drafted in the 1st 2 rounds in 8 years. The OT was drafted in the 3rd!
Do you know football?
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:38 am
Steelers
2012 1st round Guard 2nd round OT
2011 1ST round DT 2ND round OL
2010 1st round C 2ND ROUND DE
2009 1st round DE 2nd round T
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There last Super Bowl was 2008 though, after they were drafting all kinds of WR, RB and WR’s in the first few rounds.
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:38 am
Steelers and the Giants won multiple SBs without investing high draft picks in their OL.
That’s a FACT!
You People…..
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:40 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:38 am
Steelers
2012 1st round Guard 2nd round OT
2011 1ST round DT 2ND round OL
2010 1st round C 2ND ROUND DE
2009 1st round DE 2nd round T
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There last Super Bowl was 2008 though, after they were drafting all kinds of WR, RB and WR’s in the first few rounds.
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Thank you, and Happy Thanksgiving Chico.
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 am
Happy Turkey Day bro!!
The NFL business is a very self-succient market. If RG’s were more important, they would get paid more.
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 8:43 am
Happy Turkey Day bro!!
The NFL business is a very self-succient market. If RG’s were more important, they would get paid more.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Exactly.
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Most OGs and Cs were drafted in later rounds. The best FA OG who signed with TB (Carl Nicks) was a 5th round pick.
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:06 am
Can’t help but to wonder if the Raiders completed the comeback against the Bucs and brought us to 4-4 where the season would have gone.I would think the last 2 games would not have been blowouts.
Happy Thanksgiving to all!
Maybe The Raiders will play some inspired football this sunday.
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:08 am
– No emotional send-offs for veteran linebacker Aaron Curry. At least not from coach Allen.
When asked whether Curry’s departure owed to Curry’s knee injuries or an inability to make the defense better, Allen wasted little time responding.
“We just didn’t feel like he was a fit for us moving forward,” Allen said, without elaborating.
Guess there really isn’t a need when the answer is that succinct.
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Translation: “Curry screwed up, he knows what he did, and now he’s gone. You ARE the Weakest Link: Goodbye.”
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:15 am
Is today a holiday or something? This place is dead lol
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:16 am
ABG #252
SB #336
Both true statements
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:18 am
You people,
Happy Thanksgiving!
May God bless your family, friends, pets and our Raiders!
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Raider players that will be here next season:
Reece, Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Burris, Houston, Criner
All others have either trade value or will be cut.
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
Heading off to Thanksgiving dinner. Be back later. Happy Turkey Day, everyone!
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
Happy Thanksgiving Nation!
Go Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
Good little segment on Jerome Harrison ont CBS pregame show.
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:31 am
Off to the pool…it’s 72 degrees in Miami, 42% humidity…not a cloud in the sky.
=)
Later!
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 am
Future points to ponder:
1) Reece has another 100 yds/90 yds rec/run combo Sunday does he become Raiders’ #1 RB?
2) Could Mark Davis possibly sign the head coach his father wanted, Sean Peyton?
3) Will Reggie consider J. Gruden?
4) Will Allen recognize Vehldeer/Wisniewski LT/LG power-scheme could be best in NFL?
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
RaiderO
Your comments about Super Bowls and the Steelers further supports your limited understanding of the point I am trying to make.(If you did not notice they have won two SuperBowls and been in a third in the last seven years).
What is the Steelers winning percentage OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS? That is the key metric. They are a succesful, winning franchise that consistently makes the playoffs. Like the Raiders used to be.
MY POINT IS THEY KNOW THAT LINE PLAY IS PARAMOUNT TO SUCCESS. THEY MAKE THAT THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
That is the point I am trying to make. The good teams in the NFL put a premium on good line play and they invest high picks to do it.
We have largely ignored our lines for the last ten years and used retreads like Turdell Sands, Gerard Warren and Warren Sapp to play for us.
The strategy did not work.Seymour and Kelly are embarrassing.
You build the lines through the draft now. We can not afford any misses which is why we need high picks to improve our chances.
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
Happy Thanksgiving Nation!!!
This should brighten your day:
Paul Tagliabue will save the Raiders. Tagliabue will make a ruling soon on Gregg Williams to probably reinstate him in February after the Super Bowl.
He will then be re-united with his former understudy DA in Oakland. I do believe that Williams’ contract with Fisher and the Rams was voided due to the suspension plus Fisher has moved on.
Tarver will get Canned and DA will bring in Williams which will give us a killer (no bounty pun intended) defense. It will happen.
Now what we do with Knapp is anyone’s guess. Personally I don’t want him back but I believe he will be given another year with the addition of a whole new slate of O-Linemen.
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Happy Thanksgiving, everyone!
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Get rid of the Krapp!
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:06 am
504…I’ll take Williams on the staff if he puts a bounty on DA…
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:09 am
If we get Williams, that first joint practice with the 49ers would be must see TV.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:12 am
Happy ThanksGiving Raider Nation!!!
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:12 am
Charlie Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
RaiderO
Your comments about Super Bowls and the Steelers further supports your limited understanding of the point I am trying to make.(If you did not notice they have won two SuperBowls and been in a third in the last seven years).
What is the Steelers winning percentage OVER THE LAST SEVEN YEARS? That is the key metric. They are a succesful, winning franchise that consistently makes the playoffs. Like the Raiders used to be.
MY POINT IS THEY KNOW THAT LINE PLAY IS PARAMOUNT TO SUCCESS. THEY MAKE THAT THE NUMBER ONE PRIORITY.
That is the point I am trying to make. The good teams in the NFL put a premium on good line play and they invest high picks to do it.
We have largely ignored our lines for the last ten years and used retreads like Turdell Sands, Gerard Warren and Warren Sapp to play for us.
The strategy did not work.Seymour and Kelly are embarrassing.
You build the lines through the draft now. We can not afford any misses which is why we need high picks to improve our chances.
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Btw, Happy Thanksgiving old man.
You just don’t get it.
1- we agree that we should invest high picks in our DL, so I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up.
2- we disagree on investing high picks in our OL. You are ignoring the fact that the Steelers and Giants won 4 SBs in the last 7 years without investing high picks in their OL.
The Colts won one without investing high picks in their OL. I’m not saying we should ignore our OL, but I don’t think we should invest high picks (1st and 2nd except for OT) especially now since we run the ZBS.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Walt Coleman working the Det game…
Just the sight of that guy makes my skin crawl.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:18 am
JFB,
If we get Williams, that would bode well for us drafting Eric Reid to QB our defense ala Darren Sharper.
Huff would definitely remain at CB. And who knows we just might even get Nnamdi back or draft one in the third rnd.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:21 am
What a difference a year makes. Last year at this time we were in first place.
F U Mark Davis!!!!!!!!!!
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:23 am
The O-Line will be addressed via free agency and late round picks. I think we trade down in the first rnd to get multiple picks. We are picking Eric Reid and a pass rusher. A QB could also be in our plans depending on what we do with Pryor between now and April.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
Charlie,
Our team lacks talent and impact players. We need DE, DT/ NT, CB, LB, and S. We also need to upgrade our offense especially our OL.
-Can we find defensive impact players in mid-low rounds? It’s possible but the odds are not good.
- can we find good OL (OGs & Cs) in later rounds? Yes, and it happens on regular basis.
It’s not complicated.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:34 am
From my insider,..the brass are allowing Palmer one more start, and only due to the opponent,..after that its Pryor the rest of the way,…print that kiddies. By the way Pryor will not get his first win this year and will be released along with about 15 other losers the day after the Charger loss. Oh by the way happy Thanksgiving.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:29 am
Raiders RB’s not named McFadden have 65 carries for 312 yards, at 4.8 ypc.
Throw in that Darren leads the team in dropped passes, and is the only ball-carrier that lost a fumble this season, and therein lies to the biggest liability to the 2012 Oakland Raiders.
McNinny
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Thank you. McFadden has been turrible. I don’t want to see him near the field.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
504!!!! Please rattle off your Thanksgiving menu down in New Orleans so I can dream once again!
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
DMC isnt a football player, and wont see the field again this year,..simply because he doesnt like playing football.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 9:44 am
Future points to ponder:
1) Reece has another 100 yds/90 yds rec/run combo Sunday does he become Raiders’ #1 RB?
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No, but what that does mean is we can probably get a decent back in there that can be productive which will open up other parts of the offense. It’s just not McFadden who is capable of doing it.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:43 am
The new regime could have had the best of both worlds; they could have fired Hue but kept the offense in tact via Al Saunders. They blew that big time and it’s lead to way bigger problems for them now.
I don’t have anything against the ZBS and “west coast” systems, but when you ALREADY have a competent offense, why would you bring back someone who has already failed here to install a scheme that doesn’t suit your best players? I don’t get it.
I mean don’t know if the lysfranc is something a player never comes back from? Or if McFadden pouts/quits or whatever? But I’ll say this. I’d rather see this for 10-12 games/yr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOOwsmgQg1M
Versus watching him run into his blockers for no gain.
I think in the year end press conference or sooner, I’d like to hear Reggir or DA speak to that.
BTW – love the Chucky clips, thanks for posting.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
Seymour, I think you’re correct; although I do hope Reggie gives Reece another extension.
I expect us to draft an RB in the 4th round.
Reggie must draft either To’e or pass rushing DE with our first draft pick.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Psst … Pittsburgh won two super bowls, because we drafted Gallery instead of Rothlesburger.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:57 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:49 am
I expect us to draft an RB in the 4th round.
Reggie must draft either To’e or pass rushing DE with our first draft pick.
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Good call. I REALLY want to see a pass rusher with our first overall pick.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
DMC isnt a football player, and wont see the field again this year,..simply because he doesnt like playing football.
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Dmac seems to like the lifestyle, the paycheck, the big house, the baby momma’s, lots of expensive cars, in fact he likes EVERYTHING but the game.
November 22nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Davis and Reggie hire Gruden, they could raise ticket prices and still sellout.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Now that the Niners cut bait with Alex Smith, I think getting him along with Jon Gruden,..awesome idea. By the way all my ideas are awesome.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
“The new regime could have had the best of both worlds; they could have fired Hue but kept the offense in tact via Al Saunders. They blew that big time and it’s lead to way bigger problems for them now.”
This was my first negative reaction to the new regime….this was the first warning signal that we were in for a long season or a rebuild.
Thee new regime should have immediately realized that the strength on this team was the O-Line and the running game….find a way to keep that in tact and build around that.
That led to letting Satele go and thinking that Wiz could easily replace him at center and the line would be the same.
Then they brought in Bergstrom and paid him a ton of cash to be the stinker of the year thus far! This guy was “SUPPOSED” to be good!
Then the last thing that happened surprised us all was that Barnes was a decent RT with him gone we are now seeing that.
All of those things combined dismantled our strength over the last few years (running game) and what brought us to 8-8…. bringing us to where we are today which is 3-7.
RM and DA I hope you learned something from this because you are upsetting some long time fans with this regression.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Here you go Seymour:
Three Turkeys (Oven Roasted, Fried and Smoked)
Corn and Crab bisque
Crawfish Etouffe
Spinach & Artichoke cassarole
Honey Baked Ham
Deserts
ooh wee gooey cake
Sweet Potato Pies
Petit Fours
Cheesecake
We have 7 more guests coming over and don’t know what they are bringing but they won’t be coming empty handed.
Happy Thanksgiving!!!
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:04 am
Raiderretibution,..Iv already renewed for next year,…got a sideline pass for KC game out of it…they can go 0-16 for the next 5 years and I still wouldnt consider missing a game,..neither does brien, thec, hawaiin dude,…we are the fabric,..most of you only support when things are going well,…just more truth from me, that nobody here likes to hear.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:05 am
666,…did Hue and his team win a playoff invite?…no,..did they control their own destiny during that charger game at home?…yes,…was Hue fired because of that?…yes,…the Bengals have regressed since Hue got on their payroll,…I have spoken.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
How is Manti Teo? He looks undersized. I know he made plays but Wake Forest is not on our schedule next year.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:08 am
Raider o
Happy Thanksgiving as well.
My concern is that we have tried for the last ten years to build this team with free gaents and later round picks on the lines. We have used high draft picks largely on prolific skill guys and DB’s.
Mr Davis could not acknowledge his draft misses so he kept changing schemes and coaches. Disastrous to say the least.
Here we are with ten straight years of missing the playoffs.
What I am saying is that football is a game of time and space.
Olines create it.
Dlines destroy it.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS BASED OFF THAT PRINCIPLE.
YOU ARE RIGHT. IT IS NOT COMPLICATED.
Without superior line play it is impossible to effectively evaluate the rest of your team.
I would love to think we could rebuild our lines quickly but the law of averages and development say it will take at least two more years.
If we can rebuild our lines with 7th round picks. Great.
The law of averages says we will need to invest most of our high draft picks on in the box talent before we do much else.
We are too far gone in that area to even compete.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:08 am
504 Raider Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Here you go Seymour:
Three Turkeys (Oven Roasted, Fried and Smoked)
Corn and Crab bisque
Crawfish Etouffe
Spinach & Artichoke cassarole
Honey Baked Ham
Deserts
ooh wee gooey cake
Sweet Potato Pies
Petit Fours
Cheesecake
We have 7 more guests coming over and don’t know what they are bringing but they won’t be coming empty handed.
Happy Thanksgiving!!!
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Oh man, this sounds sooooo good! Thanks 504, Happy Thanksgiving to you and yours, and Happy Thanksgiving to all of you in the Nation.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:12 am
corn and crab bisque, crawfish etouffe, oooh man….
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
Anyone else here happy we didn’t draft Calvin Johnson?What a loser.What a slacker.I don’t know why the Lions keep him around.Absolute rubbish – what a waste of a pick.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 am
Not much of a Kid Rock fan….
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:20 am
neilb Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
Anyone else here happy we didn’t draft Calvin Johnson?
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Hey you can’t win ‘em all. We could have been stuck with Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson or Darrell Revis in that draft. I mean Jamarcus is going to make a comeback, come into camp in shape and be ready any day now right?
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:21 am
504 Raider Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
How is Manti Teo? He looks undersized. I know he made plays but Wake Forest is not on our schedule next year.
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Undersized where? 6′2″ gives him the leverage advantage o rushing the passer & 255# is a perfect size for a MLB. Where’s the problem. This kid is the real deal – the defensive leader that McCheese isn’t.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:22 am
I really thought Kid Rock blew, but that was REALLY bad. The only thing worse than that is lil biachi.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
Great menu 504. That sounds like some of my favorite NOLA type items.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
JB Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:21 am
504 Raider Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
How is Manti Teo? He looks undersized. I know he made plays but Wake Forest is not on our schedule next year.
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Undersized where? 6′2″ gives him the leverage advantage o rushing the passer & 255# is a perfect size for a MLB. Where’s the problem. This kid is the real deal – the defensive leader that McCheese isn’t.
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255 is a little BIG for a MLB in an even scheme. (See McLame, So-longo) Normally you want smaller quicker MLB’s behind an even front ala Jon Vilma who just ripped us a new one last Sunday.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:28 am
JB Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:25 am
Great menu 504. That sounds like some of my favorite NOLA type items.
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Doesn’t it? Smoked Turkey and oven roasted, AND fried, Ham, cheesecake, sweet potato pies, man I never get tired of reading his Thanksgiving menu. I have to live vicariously some way…..
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
I think you guys will be seeing quite a few olineman and dlineman from Alabama, Notre Dame and Ohio State in our next couple of drafts.
It all starts at the line of scrimmage.
McClain nad Dmac had college success behind dominant lines.
How have they looked with us?
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Manti Te’o highlights comments by Mike Mayock:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWxIUeZKPmc
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:33 am
I hope in January when Gruden gets here he gets Alex Smith out of SF now that hes lost his job…Gruden and Alex would be better then Gruden and Gannon. Youre welcome.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
Manti Te’o = the next Ray Lewis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=hshhT_nncgU
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
The question is could we be going toward an odd front and pair McLame with Teo inside? Get a nose later in the draft and try to get some more linemen on both sides.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
That Notre Dame dude wont be available in the 3rd round…and after trading down thats when we will pick first. Once again Iv just educated you.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
Bush,…McLain is released the night of the Charger loss.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
What the heck happened to the Texan’s defense?
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
Cushing.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:40 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
Cushing.
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They were still playing pretty well after he was injured.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
No they werent.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
The Texans played a terrible game against the Packers after the Cushing injury. Then they gave up 13 pts, 9 pts, and 13 pts before last week’s game against the Jags.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
The Draft is the ultimate for revisionist history. I personally can’t stop laughing when they do the “Who Won On Draft Day” pieces in the media the day after. Please….
You can’t really judge a draft for 2-3 years. But I know, the Draft is an event now so you have to make people interested in it.
I remember reading how the Raiders/Al were congratulated for doing something “normal”/common sense in drafting Gallery and Grove in the first 2 rounds. Did those guys have big impact on the organization? No. Are they still here? No. So there you go.
Having good drafts and making good use of your picks is essential to building a long-term, consistent contender/winner. I’m hoping BIG TIME Reggie is the guy to make that happen.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:51 am
The Lions just got jobbed.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:51 am
No shock, Walt Coleman in charge.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:52 am
WTF was that?!!!!!!’
Aren’t ALL scoring plays reviewed? That’s jack.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Happy OAKLAND RAIDERS Day to one and all.
2012 OAK RAIDS – The biggest Turkeys in the NFL.
Let’s give THANKS we don’t have to watch them get CARVED up today. Sure way to ruin your holiday dining and get indigestion.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:37 am
Bush,…McLain is released the night of the Charger loss.
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One can only hope…..
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
I hate Houston. I really do. Boring as sh:t. I think that team is a paper tiger.
Oh wait. We are try to be Houston West.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
I hate Houston. I really do. Boring as sh:t. I think that team is a paper tiger.
Oh wait. We are trying to be Houston West.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Morilla Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:52 am
WTF was that?!!!!!!’
Aren’t ALL scoring plays reviewed? That’s jack.
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Schwartz effed up the review by throwing the challenge flag.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:56 am
Holy Krapp. One of the worst calls ever. Also a ridiculous rule that play can’t be reviewed bcz Schwartz challenged.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:57 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Morilla Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:52 am
WTF was that?!!!!!!’
Aren’t ALL scoring plays reviewed? That’s jack.
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Schwartz effed up the review by throwing the challenge flag.
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That’s a bush rule. Should be still reviewable. Just tack on the 15 yarder.
I have a feeling Suh is going to rip someone’s head off. Literally.
November 22nd, 2012 at 11:57 am
Walt Coleman STRIKES AGAIN!
This guys crew is the dirty.
perfect guy to get hooked, does not look the part, been keeping ‘em close for years…
Too bad WE KNOW EXACTLY how Lions Fan feels right now…
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
This games is has the look of a classic Lion’s meltdown.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
He started out as Dennis Allen.
Then he became DA.
Soon he was known as Tits.
He will be remembered as an UDDER FAILURE.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Got to give Allen credit for his use of the challenge flag, though.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
He started out as Dennis Allen.
Then he became DA.
Soon he was known as Tits.
He will be remembered as an UDDER FAILURE.
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Can’t say that now.
In three years if nothing’s changed, then fine.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Maybe its just the way Teo looks on TV that makes him look small to me. Maybe the big arms he has makes them look short. If he’s 6′2” and 255 then that’s real good size for MLB.
But DA like guys who “loves the game” and Teo sure looks like he loves football.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Teo kinda reminds me of Dat Nguyen from Texas A&M who went to Dallas.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
That was one dumb move by HC Schwartz.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Philip Wheeler and Taiwan Jones are practicing today despite suffering injuries against the Saints.
Tyvon Branch & Defensive line coach Terrell Williams are back too.
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great news!
Oakland 27
Cincy 10
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
You guys are sleeping on Rolando IMO has been far away our best LB in the last two games since they dropped those charges. You have to look at where a player is now. You all have your opinions formed as to who this kid can be.
Sure he has been a huge disappointment prior to the Balt. game. No argument there but as I said earlier this year the first game of the year was really what kind of player Ro is. This last game Rolando shocked me how effective he was now if that is who he is. To discard this kid based on his past would be a huge mistake. You can’t make emotional decisions because you don’t like someone. We’ve gone thro the rough spots with this kid now lets see how he plays the rest of the year. That will tell all.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
The Texans are trying to be like the Raiders now.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
504 Raider Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Teo kinda reminds me of Dat Nguyen from Texas A&M who went to Dallas.
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A&M seems to be able to churn out, good, disciplined, solid, well coached players who love the game. And they have done that for decades. They obviously have a very good program in place and their coaching staffs are solid, which is one major reason I am not giving up on Dennis Allen just yet.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Priest, your love for Al Davis wouldn’t have something do with your McClain support, would it? I haven’t been watching McClain closely, but I sure don’t see him making many plays.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Basically what happens in here all too often is a player will tagged a certain kind of player and it sticks in here no matter what the present film is saying he is now. It’s too much of a herd mentality.
If I say what soand so said I’ll sound smart, well no you wont. You’ll sound like everybody else, but that may or may not necessarily be SMART. Let the film speak for itself……instead of popular opinion.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
#55 sucks, TJ
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
If you get some time Youtube Robbie Rouse, RB Fresno St.
I’m sure Kelly Skipper has been keeping an eye on him.
Not sure what round he’ll go. He’s a bit smallish at 5′-7″ 190. Good hands, good speed, not injury prone. 3 consecutive years running over 1,000 yds.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Basically what happens in here all too often is a player will tagged a certain kind of player and it sticks in here no matter what the present film is saying he is now. It’s too much of a herd mentality.
If I say what soand so said I’ll sound smart, well no you wont. You’ll sound like everybody else, but that may or may not necessarily be SMART. Let the film speak for itself……instead of popular opinion.
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Kind of like your support for Al Davis. His record as a GM over the last 25 years speaks for itself.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
we had a poster in here last night who wants to get rid of every draft pick Mr Davis made on this team. No matter how good that player is or isn’t. And that is just flat out emotional reaction to someone unpopular on this board. Now what does that really amount to……total chaos no thought envolved at all.
That easy to do is to mindlessly go with the crowd. There are some dman good players MR Davis put on this team whether you hate or love him that is fact. But people are so caught up in hwo drafted the guy rather than whether he can play or not………talk about ‘matter over mind’ . That is for women and their makeup doesn’t apply here.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
I wish our Raiders could be good again! Happy Thanksgiving everyone! Enjoy with family. Sup RR? Later.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Happy Thanksgiving!!
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
55 needs to get a good look in the 3-4 before he is cut. If anything, restructure his contract and keep him for depth…because if he sucks that bad, he will not start anywhere else around the league. Also, hire Romanowski as a lb coach, and watch our LB’s turn into a bunch of tackling maniacs. lol
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Can’t say that now.
In three years if nothing’s changed, then fine.
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3 years, huh ?
Don’t make me cringe.
Doesn’t take 3 years to know you made a mistake.
At least it shouldn’t.
EVERY single facet of play has regressed under the UDDER FAILURE’S ‘leadership’.
Offense, Defense, Special Teams.
It’s not just a partial regression. Get it ?
It’s complete and UDDER FAILURE. Across the board.
From assembling a staff, to getting the most out of the roster, to being a lifeless, smiling tittyboy loser -
TITS IS AN UDDER FAILURE.
You want more UDDER FAILURE ? Then bring Tits and crew back in 2013.
UDDER FAILURE 2013 – Sure recipe for continued disaster.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
throw it to Owen Daniels, my fantasy TE !!
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
#55 sucks, TJ
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He is bloody fooking awful. As a backup to play 10 plays a game, he might be OK. But for an 8 overall, at his salary? Fire up the waiver wire…..
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Miami,
Johnny Holland is not the problem. Replacing him as LB Coach does nothing to fix the defense.
if it’s a coaching issue, point your finger at Allen & Tarver
if it’s a personnel issue, point your finger at Reggie
Mark Davis expected to win the AFC West (THIS YEAR!) and right now we’re headed toward 3rd or 4th place
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
EVERY single facet of play has regressed under the UDDER FAILURE’S ‘leadership’.
Offense, Defense, Special Teams.
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Was it Dennis Allen’s fault the ball went RIGHT THROUGH Myers paws in the end zone to a defender? That obviously was the right play call. Was it Allen’s fault that Mitchell just in explicitly let his assignment run past him to the endzone with 45 seconds to go in the half? Was it Allens fault that his kickoff unit cannot stay in their lanes and tackle to start the second half, and then let the Saint RB go 27 yards UNTOUCHED to basically ice the game?
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Any predictions on who will be the last Al Davis draft pick to remain on the Raiders?
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
#55 sucks, TJ
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He is bloody fooking awful. As a backup to play 10 plays a game, he might be OK. But for an 8 overall, at his salary? Fire up the waiver wire…..
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Yup.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
the Lions might actually win a game on turkey day!
how often has that happened over the past 20 years?
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Any predictions on who will be the last Al Davis draft pick to remain on the Raiders?
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SeaBass.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Johnny Holland is not the problem. Replacing him as LB Coach does nothing to fix the defense.
if it’s a coaching issue, point your finger at Allen & Tarver
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Holland has done a solid job. You do question Tarver tho. Why is he blitzing guys from 15 yards in the defensive backfield? They have NO HOPE of getting to the Q who just waits, dumps it over them, and now you have an 11 on 9, or in other words an easy big play. And then Tarver does it again. Absolutely mind boggling…..
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
ABJ then let it speak for itself, I’ve never been in favor of losing. I supported Mr Davis as far as his ability to get talent not his treatment of coaches I’ve always spoke out against his firing coaches too soon. Which forced out a lot of talented players HE drafted. Mr Davis’ record is what it is don’t hate players because HE picked them. That is just flat out dumb hate him all you want the players are judged based on whether they perform or not.
Just because I supported him doesn’t mean I agreed with every decision he made because many he made I disagreed with like DHB and DMC and many more but once they became Raiders I had to support them. hated Stu still wouldn’t have drafted Huff but he did. Doesn’t mean I agree I just loved what he did in the past what he lately who could love that???
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
55 = Slowlando McLazy = the no go slow boat.
Scrub.
Another loser that’s got to go.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Any predictions on who will be the last Al Davis draft pick to remain on the Raiders?
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Stefen Wisniewski or Denarius Moore
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Any predictions on who will be the last Al Davis draft pick to remain on the Raiders?
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Stefen Wisniewski or Denarius Moore
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Good call, I wasn’t thinking recent.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I predict Veldheer.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
You guys its not that hard. Watch the end of this Lions Texans game. Guys are making plays. Guys are running hard. Look at Andre Johnson making plays. Look at Arian Foster cutting back and going on a nice run. Look at Avril and Suh busting in there and effing the Texan play up. Guys are making plays on both sides of the ball. Our guys don’t do that.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I just would like to see someone assist with molding one of our LB’ers into a vocal leader. Maybe give Romanowski a role on our staff like Wiz sr had? Just a thought.
RR,
Heat is looking mean, while my Lakers are going backwards.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Priest, your love for Al Davis wouldn’t have something do with your McClain support, would it? I haven’t been watching McClain closely, but I sure don’t see him making many plays.
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Your hatred for him wouldn’t ahve anything to do with Al Davis would it?
Watch the film Moron…….then make your own judgment if you’re capable.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I see all three of those guys sticking around for awhile. Maybe Bryant too.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
they dont do that because of da…
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
When you watch tape on McClain it’s nothing out of this world. Hardly. I have 2 years worth of games on my DVR. Wanna come over?
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Priest, your love for Al Davis wouldn’t have something do with your McClain support, would it? I haven’t been watching McClain closely, but I sure don’t see him making many plays.
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Your hatred for him wouldn’t ahve anything to do with Al Davis would it?
Watch the film Moron…….then make your own judgment if you’re capable.
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I don’t hate McClain. He doesn’t make plays at all.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
IR’d Shawntae Spencer & Travis Goethel wont be back.
Seymour & Carter wont be back.
Kelly & Tollefson have a shot to return, but it’s certainly not a given at this point …
Bartell, Hanson, Giordano & Mitchell are gone.
Adams, Francies & Ross aren’t even worth talking about. Same with LB’s Clayton & Gaither
Huff & Branch have a shot to return, but it’s certainly not a given at this point …
#55 sucks , but we don’t know yet whether he’s on scholarship. He certainly hasn’t earned the starting job he’s been given and we don’t have anybody to replace him
2013 Raider defense could look MUCH different, with or without DA & mad scientist imo
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
they dont do that because of da…
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Don’t be ridiculous. They haven’t done it every year for 10 years before Allen got here.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
A Foster fantasy owners win again!!
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
IR’d Shawntae Spencer & Travis Goethel wont be back.
Seymour & Carter wont be back.
Kelly & Tollefson have a shot to return, but it’s certainly not a given at this point …
Bartell, Hanson, Giordano & Mitchell are gone.
Adams, Francies & Ross aren’t even worth talking about. Same with LB’s Clayton & Gaither
Huff & Branch have a shot to return, but it’s certainly not a given at this point …
#55 sucks , but we don’t know yet whether he’s on scholarship. He certainly hasn’t earned the starting job he’s been given and we don’t have anybody to replace him
2013 Raider defense could look MUCH different, with or without DA & mad scientist imo
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Spencer will most likely be back, Goethel no. Seymour yes, Carter, Kelly and Tollefson, no. Bartell, Hason, Giordano yes, Mitchell no. Huff and Branch yes, McClain no.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Then you should STOP watching football ……….period
Because you have no clue what the hell you’re looking at all your opinions are formed by others…..period
Which is basically the makeup of this entire board a bunch parrots repeating each other.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
There was a time when COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE meant something.
It wasn’t just a cliche, it was a way of life around here.
Oh, how the great Al Davis faded and erred in his latter years. Lamentable. Tragic.
‘Commitment to excellence’ or a ‘new era of excellence’…
Built around turds like UDDER FAILURE and Slowlando McLazy ?
Bah.
Not Raider Material.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Writing was on the wall when they stated pulling him and started using the nickel more.
55 is a dud. Complete molasses. No fire , no hunt. He’s soft. We don’t need that as a MLB wearing the silver and black. Especially not at his pick and price point.
It’s been 3 years now. You can start using the word “bust” now. It’s ok.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Maverick made the right call benching Schaub today. if Houston doesn’t get the ball back here … he finished with less than 250 passing yards and only 1 TD
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Well, hopefully next year we’ll stay away from drafting players with the intent of switching them to new positions, Tired of that shet!
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
You ever see 55 try and shoot a gap? It’s like watching a 80 year old try to get to the front of the line at Sizzlers early bird special.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Rolando McBust? lol Another bites the bust!
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
It’s been 3 years now. You can start using the word “bust” now. It’s ok.
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agreed Morilla
JaMarcus didn’t even start 16 games before Raider fans called him a bust and started calling for his head
how many starts has #55 had??
the answer = plenty
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
morilla Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
You ever see 55 try and shoot a gap? It’s like watching a 80 year old try to get to the front of the line at Sizzlers early bird special.
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hehehehehe. good one.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
New Era of Excellence.
Brought to you by the UDDER FAILURE and Krapp.
What a joke.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
The problem is our drafts for the last ten years and what our focus has been. We have tried enough different schemes and coaches to realize that we do not have the talent especially on the line of scrimmage.
Perhaps I have been going about explaining the importance of winning along the line of scrimmage the wrong way. Let me try this.
9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
OLines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
THAT IS WHAT THE GAME IS ABOUT. The rest of the pieces fill in the gaps.
A runner does not have the space and he looks like Dmac in Oakland not Arkansas.
A linebacker fighting off Olineman looks like McClain in Oakland not Alabama.
Do you really think you are going to be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building your lines with low round draft picks or free agents?
Taken to another extreme, do you think you will be able to beat your competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team?
These are typically 270-320 pound athletes that need to have the agility and quickness of college level skill players. Do you really think you are likely to find many of them in the fifth and sixth round or packing out at Wal Mart?
Really?
HINT: You better spend enough high round picks in the draft to build your lines or you will have a team that very closely resembles the 2012 Oakland Raiders.
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
morilla Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Writing was on the wall when they stated pulling him and started using the nickel more.
55 is a dud. Complete molasses. No fire , no hunt. He’s soft. We don’t need that as a MLB wearing the silver and black. Especially not at his pick and price point.
It’s been 3 years now. You can start using the word “bust” now. It’s ok.
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How does a MLB play 60 snaps on defense and get none or one tackle? How can that happen? Again, it just boggles the mind…
November 22nd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Heat is looking mean, while my Lakers are going backwards.
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Spurs & OKC continue to dominate the West, as I predicted
Heat & Knicks = beasts of the East
Nets & Lakers = all hype
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
DET/HOU headed to overtime, yippee
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Schaub & Stafford already have a combined 90 pass attempts!
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
It’s fun to watch guys make plays. It’s fun to watch JJ Watt blow his guy up, and Stafford steps up, gets out of it, lays a nice ball on the boundary and their guy actually catches it. If only our guys made plays…
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Just an example of why Tits is a clueless, udder failure…
Can anyone possibly justify TP being inactive every single week ?
Listen, I’m not saying he should be starting.
But HTF do you have the young man inactive every week and not even put him on the field for a wildcat play one single freaking time ?
TP can’t even feel he’s part of the team or has any future here.
At least give the guy a taste of what it’s like to play on a Sunday.
Give opposing defenses something to think about and prepare for.
For crying out loud, don’t let him just rust and waste away on the sidelines in sweatpants.
At least try to find out what you have.
What is there to lose?
What ? Matt Lice is the future ?
Give me a fkng break.
Clueless.
Inept.
No vision.
No leadership.
No hope.
UDDER FAILURE.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Pettigrew screwed the Lions chances of winning, lol
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Priest,…McLain sucks,..so do you,..tell it to Gary,..I cleared the path for you,..try not to get banned again, I wont bail you out again.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Seabass would have nailed that!!
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Raidermann
Pryor’s health is what you have to lose.
It would be interesting if we had a strong team around him but we do not.
See my post about building better lines 557.
Then again, if we had better lines we would not be 3-7 and asking to put in a QB that has never played in the NFL.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Pryor’s health is what you have to lose.
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If Palmer can stay healthy, Pryor would be alright.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
is this game gonna end in a tie ??
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
You see the way a coach like Harbaugh handled Kaepernick ?
He didn’t throw him in there.
He EASED him in there.
Put some packages in for Kaepernick.
Gave him a taste.
Gave him a chance to get ready.
Developed him.
Had some vision.
And when Smith went down, Kaep was ready to step in.
Now I’m not saying that the same thing would definitely happen with TP.
It might. It might not.
But one thing’s for sure, you’ll never know unless you try.
UDDER FAILURE = CLUELESS BUFFOON.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Pryor needs development. he needs reps
getting almost no reps in practice and being inactive each week does what exactly?
it does nothing for him. it does nothing for the Raiders
stupid move making Leinart anything more than a 3rd string clipboard holder imo
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Palmer is OK because he gets rid of the ball fast. An occasional pick now and then but he stays alive.
Pryor will hesitate or start to run. See Jason Cambpell, Gradkowski, Frye etc.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Pryor’s health is what you have to lose.
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C’mon Charlie, that’s lame.
Every player that hits the field runs the risk of injury.
Have to come up with something better than that.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
one thing’s for sure, you’ll never know unless you try.
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agreed RM99
Pryor might be the next Vick, Newton, Griffith or Freeman
[which is certainly better than anything you'll see from Matt Leinart]
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Again SF is light years ahead of Oakland on the line of scrimmage.
You can not compare the two.SF is not one dimensional. They can run the ball as well.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Just an example of why Tits is a clueless, udder failure…
Can anyone possibly justify TP being inactive every single week ?
Listen, I’m not saying he should be starting.
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If he is not starting then why would he possibly be active? You can only have so many active guys. That means you are going to be short on the Oline, LB’s Dline or special teams. Every NFL team only keeps two Q’s and an emergency Q active. Sucks that Pryor is #3 on the depth chart, but contrary to what people on this blog believe Allen, Knapp and Mackenzie are not racists.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Pryor needs development. he needs reps
getting almost no reps in practice and being inactive each week does what exactly?
it does nothing for him. it does nothing for the Raiders
stupid move making Leinart anything more than a 3rd string clipboard holder imo
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Exactly.
Udder Failure and Krapp are dunces.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Guess icing the kicker DOES work.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Lions kicker missed a FG in OT, too??
lol
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Have a nice Thanksgiving guys.Got to go.
Again, I have seen many QB’s get f*cked up on poor teams.
Plunkett, Campbell, Carr, Leftwich, Pennington.
Lets try to build a line before we sacrifice another potential talent.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Lets try to build a line before we sacrifice another potential talent.
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we did that, Charlie!
meet Mike Brisiel & Tony Bergstrom
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
meet Mike Brisiel & Tony Bergstrom
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And Willie Smith.
And chose not to bring back Satele.
Way to go Reggie.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:43 pm
even though Stafford threw for 441 yards & 2 TD’s … he only completed 50% of his passes, lol
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
RM99,
to be fair, we claimed Little Willie off waivers
at least we didn’t sign him to a big contract, draft him or trade for him
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
GOOD AFTERNOON SPORT’S FAN’S.CANT STAY LONG,ALLMOST TIME FOR MY 1ST NAP.DONT PLAY TP6 UNLESS PALMER IS HURT IMO
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I’ve been Raider fan since Lamonica threw to Wells, win or lose, even through the Jamarcus to Murphy seasons, so don’t even go there 2013jg,
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
GOOD AFTERNOON SPORT’S FAN’S.CANT STAY LONG,ALLMOST TIME FOR MY 1ST NAP.DONT PLAY TP6 UNLESS PALMER IS HURT IMO
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That’s what I am saying. The only other option is because the Raiders have SO MANY holes to fill, you might want to sit Palmer and Seymour the last 4 games just to keep the mileage off of them. And try to get another whole year out of them on the back side. In that case you might activate Pryor.
November 22nd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
to be fair, we claimed Little Willie off waivers
at least we didn’t sign him to a big contract, draft him or trade for him
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True, and Reggie shouldn’t be raked over the coals for that move.
But it would be fair to say that there’s reasonable doubt about Reggie having the acumen to identify OL talent.
I mean, didn’t Bergs play Tackle at Utah ?
You just used your top draft pick on a college T, dumped Barksdale, and when Barnes goes down you wind up with Lil Willie ?
Shouldn’t the GM and staff have realized that Wiz might be better suited at LG ?
So why not retain Satelle ?
What about Parsons and Nix ?
Got to have a plan. Got to know what you have and how to use it.
Management and coaching failure.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Do yourselves a favor and watch some tape of Pryor throwing the ball at Ohio St. You can youtube it. Then come back and talk about comparing him to Kaepernick, Newton, Griffith and Freeman.
I’d say he’s a better threat on the run than all those guys including Newton. He runs like a gazelle with his long stride and nifty moves but he throws a wobbly, inaccurate ball from what i’ve seen.
I don’t say this cuz I don’t like him.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Seymour does not have another season in him, do you even notice that gut, he makes plays each game, but can only play about twenty snaps or so.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Seymour does not have another season in him, do you even notice that gut, he makes plays each game, but can only play about twenty snaps or so.
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Honestly, he is the one who grades out highest on the entire defense. Again, you guys may not like him, but we are NOT getting rid of our best player for nothing when we have so many other positions that need help.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
So why not retain Satelle ?
What about Parsons and Nix ?
Got to have a plan. Got to know what you have and how to use it.
Management and coaching failure.
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Satele got tired of hearing how bad he was from Raider fan. He wasn’t coming back. I am a big Lucas Nix fan but I have to believe if he was our best interior lineman he would be out there. I think that is the smarts of the staff, not a failure.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Yeah, DON’T activate TP and give him a taste.
Go with Matt Lice. He’s a possibility for the future.
That’s the ticket.
It’s a good thing TP has been inactive every single week and hasn’t played a single down.
That way, if Palmer goes down we can continue our SB march with Lice.
Nice to know this team has direction.
We’re on our way to the playoffs AND developing our possible future players.
Sweet.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 7:16 am
Happy holidays to you all,..now that Big John canned Alex Smith I think the Raiders should offer up a draft pick for him,..hes 2-0 against the Raiders and is VERY underrated,…he would be the perfect fit in Oakland,..Hell he already is married to a Raiderette,…lets do this Reg you big dummy,..oh and by the way Reg, dont eat the whole F`n turkey again this year.
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Here’s something worth ignoring……why waste a post to say this….
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Do yourselves a favor and watch some tape of Pryor throwing the ball at Ohio St. You can youtube it. Then come back and talk about comparing him to Kaepernick, Newton, Griffith and Freeman.
I’d say he’s a better threat on the run than all those guys including Newton. He runs like a gazelle with his long stride and nifty moves but he throws a wobbly, inaccurate ball from what i’ve seen.
I don’t say this cuz I don’t like him.
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I happen to think you’re right about TP.
I haven’t seen evidence that he throws well enough to be a very successful NFL QB.
In fact, the evidence indicates just the opposite, as you point out, DJ.
Still, there’s only one way to find out for sure.
You put some plays and packages in for TP and ease him in.
You try to prep him and have him ready if Palmer goes down.
You do NOT have him inactive every week and have Matt Lice as the next man up, in a season that clearly is going nowhere.
You take a look. You try to develop.
For crying out loud, you’ve got absolutely nothing to lose.
Complete incompetence and UDDER FAILURE.
Across the board.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
I’ll bet u Mark is thinking the same thing Raiderman. Dad picked up TP in the 3rd round and i’m sure he’d like to see what he can do.
It’s tempting to have hope for TP when u see these other young, athletic guys like Kapernick do what he’s doing and you start to think “Hmmmm, maybe we have one of those too”.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Honestly, if we are 3-9 seeing Pryor play might be the only reason we even wanna watch any more games.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Do yourselves a favor and watch some tape of Pryor throwing the ball at Ohio St. You can youtube it. Then come back and talk about comparing him to Kaepernick, Newton, Griffith and Freeman.
I’d say he’s a better threat on the run than all those guys including Newton. He runs like a gazelle with his long stride and nifty moves but he throws a wobbly, inaccurate ball from what i’ve seen.
I don’t say this cuz I don’t like him.
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I happen to think you’re right about TP.
I haven’t seen evidence that he throws well enough to be a very successful NFL QB.
In fact, the evidence indicates just the opposite, as you point out, DJ.
Still, there’s only one way to find out for sure.
You put some plays and packages in for TP and ease him in.
You try to prep him and have him ready if Palmer goes down.
You do NOT have him inactive every week and have Matt Lice as the next man up, in a season that clearly is going nowhere.
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Do yourselves a favor and watch some tape of Pryor throwing the ball at Ohio St. You can youtube it. Then come back and talk about comparing him to Kaepernick, Newton, Griffith and Freeman.
I’d say he’s a better threat on the run than all those guys including Newton. He runs like a gazelle with his long stride and nifty moves but he throws a wobbly, inaccurate ball from what i’ve seen.
I don’t say this cuz I don’t like him.
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I happen to think you’re right about TP.
I haven’t seen evidence that he throws well enough to be a very successful NFL QB.
In fact, the evidence indicates just the opposite, as you point out, DJ.
Still, there’s only one way to find out for sure.
You put some plays and packages in for TP and ease him in.
You try to prep him and have him ready if Palmer goes down.
You do NOT have him inactive every week and have Matt Lice as the next man up, in a season that clearly is going nowhere.
You take a look. You try to develop.
For crying out loud, you’ve got absolutely nothing to lose.
Complete incompetence and UDDER FAILURE.
Across the board.
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When is this crap ever going to stop?
I read the same crap about Cam and Kaepernick B4 they were drafted…..yet Matt Leinart/Alex Smith is allowed to look like crap passing the football. Terrelle Pryor is twice the passer Alex Smith is and 10x’s the competitor. I said 2 weeks ago that Kaepernick was in thr process of stealing Smith’s job and everyoe in here laughed. None of you will admit that now.
The only difference between Kaepernick and Pryor is Pryor is faster and may be even more accurate. Kappy’s delivery is elongated and slow and he has a hard time taking somegthing off his passes he zips everything. Pryor throws with a lot more touch on short passes. But if I had a chance between the two I’d Pryor he just is all-around a better player.
I told every Niner fan I know that Smith time as a starter was in peril the moment they drafted Kapernick everybody said he’s just a runner. Smith is booboo always has been yet there are Niner fans who would rather have him because he looks the part.
That is the same stupidity taking place now in Oakland matt Leinart looks the part but in actuality he can’t carry Pryor’s jock. Unfortunately the OC likes Leinart.
I’m watching a rookie outplay a seasoned vet RGIII is dominating Dallas yes the same RGIII everyone in here said wouldn’t make it at this level. You know what comes to mind everytime I read this crap. I’m not even sure it’s worth saying……….but it is unmistakable.
I’m telling you all now Palmer will have a very hard time keeping Pryor on the bench come next fall. Just you watch…..all he needs is another offseason and preseason just like I told Greg Knapp. Who quite frankly agreed somewhat reluctantly.
November 22nd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Another part of the Draft is the DEVELOPMENT of these players. IMO, if anyone actually reaches their potential under these circumstances of the last while it’s because of themselves/sheer will/natural talent.
Imagine you were drafted in “Lance’s” first year? Gee, that wasn’t turbulent at all. Then Cable for almost 2 full seasons, then Hue for a season, endless coordinators, schemes, the Owner is a de facto DC, now he’s dead. Before he died, if you didn’t like your coach or how you were being treated, just go cry to him. What a gong show.
I would find it extremely entertaining and laughable if it were anyone but the Raiders. (*As an aside, John Herreira wanting to throw down with Tim Kawakami at that Presser a few years ago has to be one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen!)
But just to illustrate a point. I’m not defending him or saying the Raiders ruined him at all. I think he was lazy with a false sense of entitlement. But if the Raiders had a strong organization with quality people, maybe JaMarcus would have been handled differently and wouldn’t have ended up being such a disgrace?
Maybe the same thing to a lesser degree has happened to McClain? Don’t know if it can be fixed with him being a Raider or if it’s best he move on?
I love reading all the other bloggers and the debate between if it’s coaching and/or personnel that is lacking? I think it’s really hard to pin it down because the turnover is so high for both.
I really believe that some consistency will bring stability and the REAL culprits can start to be identified and let go.
The hard part is at this point is having faith in the people chosen when there aren’t instant results/or signs of progress. Outside of Chucky’s reign, it’s coming up on 20 years of wandering aimlessly and we’ve all had enough of it. What’s even more demoralizing is that with the way this season has gone, it looks like it’ll get worse before it gets better…..again.
November 22nd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Griffin can play football.
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:16 pm
This pathetic coaching staff are ill-suited to help develop TP. They are unequipped to develop or properly utilize the talented players they have.The guys running the raiders are not coaches, or talented former players who can teach. Instead they are a group of friends from the useless good ole boy network.
TP gets zero playing time, exposer and probably super limited practice rep, while proven loser/bust Matt Lienart, gets the reps and exposure
As for McKenzie, I’m really beginning to believe he too is a moron. Why did/does he release NFL quality players when he has no suitable replacements. I understand releasing a guy when there is someone better available. However releasing Al davis guys to bring in your own guys (rejects) is ridiculous. Barksdale released so the team gets stuck with Willie Smith (the leagues worse lineman). Cut Curry, who’s the difference maker taking his place ?
November 22nd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
if tim tebow got a shot,
there is no justification for not giving pryor his shot
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Yeah, but those are completely different circumstances.
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that is beside the point that i am making.
your comment that he ‘wasnt ready” to be an nfl qb because of mechanics and so on should be thrown out.
tebow had more questions that anyone i can remember yet he is on the feild leading a playoff run last year.
if tebow can have a chance pryor should too. the questions around pryor are nearly as drastic
>> Damn you favor black Qbs with a vengeance don’t you? if the Qb is black he has to play right? best Qb gets to play and that’s not pryor.
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November 25th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Football is an emotional game. This team has no personality and emotion because Dennis Allen is dry as burnt toast. You got a geek that looks like Pee Wee Herman trying to coach the Raiders!! Come on man!! Both of his coordinators has no personality or emotion just like him. At least former Raider coaches like Jon Gruden,Hue Jackson and Tom Cable had some freaking fire.