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Playing Bengals stokes ongoing debates about Palmer, Jackson

By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, November 21st, 2012 at 3:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Well, here we are. The week has arrived when people can dredge up whether the Raiders made the right decision in firing coach Hue Jackson and whether the trade Jackson engineered for quarterback Carson Palmer was worth it or not.
Oh, and Sunday’s game against the Cincicnnati Bengals just happens to be Palmer’s first game against the team that selected him No. 1 overall in the 2003 NFL draft.
Make no mistake, it’s going to be fans and media doing most of the talking in the run up to the game. Jackson isn’t talking, Lewis isn’t shedding much light on Palmer turning his back on the Bengals, and Palmer is taking the high road.
“I’m not going to dive back into that,” Palmer said. “To me, this is three seasons later, two seasons later. That was in the past. I’m here now. I don’t want to dive into that.”
Palmer forced the Bengals hand last season by saying he would retire rather than play for them again. The Bengals said that they wouldn’t trade Palmer.
Ultimately, the Raiders pried away Palmer from the Bengals last season for a 2012 first-round pick and a 2013 second-rounder just before the trade deadline, in response to starter Jason Campbell suffering a season-ending collarbone injury.
The trade set off an ongoing debate as to whether the Raiders got fleeced and if Palmer is a better option than Campbell.
It says here, the Raiders had no choice, and who cares if they overpaid. They weren’t going anywhere with Kyle Boller as the starter.
Sure enough, Palmer guided the Raiders within one game of winning the AFC West and their first playoff berth in nine seasons.
Lewis said it looks as if Palmer is having fun with the Raiders. Palmer said he didn’t have any fun during his final season with the Bengals.
Palmer said he and former teammates have talked about how things ended in Cincinnati, without elaborating.
“I have seen guys, run into guys back in San Diego, talked, texted,” Palmer said. “Anybody that’s ever played for that ownership knows what I was doing and why I was doing it.”
Still, there remains a sizable faction bitter over the trade, with much of the venom directed at Jackson.
Lo and behold, Jackson ended up in Cincinnati, where is coaching the cornerbacks and helping out on special teams. One of his prized pupils is Bengals cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick, the players selected by the Bengals with the first-rounder they received from the Raiders as part of the Palmer trade.
“He’s been great,” Bengals coach Marvin Lewis said of Jackson in a conference call. “He’s been a great asset to me, having spent the year again as a coordinator and then as a head coach. He sees everything from a completely different perspective than other assistant coaches and position coaches do. His knowledge of offense has been incredible to go along with our defensive staff.”
On and on Lewis went in extolling the virtues of Jackson, who was fired by the Raiders shortly after last season ended.
“He’s a great technician as a coach and he sees the details and he sees the big picture,” Lewis said. “That’s why he’s so special as a coach. He can see both the detail work you have to have to be great but he can also see the entire big picture. He’s done that same thing in helping with and working with the special teams and our special teams coach as he coaches his segments. He envisions those plays as almost offensive plays and so forth. He comes with that enthusiasm and everything. It’s been great.”
For Jackson’s part, he steered clear of delving into much about the Palmer trade and being fired by the Raiders.
“It’s really another football game,” Jackson told Bengals writers. “For me, it is. it has to be. You can’t get caught up in the emotional part of it because that’s not what this is about. This is about winning and losing. There’s a team that’s really hungry, very talented. They have some big-time players that are going to try to come here and win a game. And we’re finding ourselves and we have to do everything we can to win a football game.”
Lewis said he thinks Jackson deserves another shot at being an NFL head coach. It remains to be seen whether Jackson will get that opportunity.
Already, Jackson’s name has been mentioned as a possibility for the Cal coaching vacancy. Jackson coached at Cal earlier in his career.
Palmer said he is “excited” about the prospect of playing in front of the fans that once cheered his every move from 2003-10.
“It’s a big game,” Palmer said. “But it’s obviously a much bigger game for our team. We have to get a win. We’re going to fight, we’re going to grind this week. We have a lot of room for improvement, a lot of areas we need to improve on. Obviously, going into Cincinnati, it’s a big game.”
For McKenzie and the Raiders too. You can bet that McKenzie and owner Mark Davis want a victory Sunday for more reasons than the fact the Raiders are in the midst of a three-game losing streak.
Asked if he has any regrets about forcing his way out of Cincinnati, Palmer said: “No regrets.”
Let the debates continue.

– Most players that were here for either or both of Jackson’s two seasons with the Raiders held him in high regard. Naturally, there were those that didn’t warm to Jackson, for one reason or another.
Running back Darren McFadden enjoyed his best seasons under Jackson’s play-calling. He remains appreciative for the time and effort Jackson took in finding a way to get the most from McFadden’s ability.
“I felt like he helped me a whole lot, just building my confidence in the league and he gave me the opportunity to show folks I can go out there and run the ball the way I do,” McFadden said.
McFadden rushed for a career-high 1,157 yards in 2010 and 614 in seven games last season. Both seasons, he averaged more than 5 yards per carry. He hasn’t averaged more than 4.4 yards in any of his three other NFL seasons, including a 3.3 mark this season.
Jackson made a point of talking about how he pulled aside McFadden in 2010 and asked him which plays he liked to run and then relied upon those plays in games.
“I just felt he tried to get the ball in the hands of his playmakers on offense,” McFadden said, “and I felt like that was something he did with us well, and that’s something he can do anywhere that he’s at.”
McFadden said he and Jackson have exchanged texts since Jackson was fired and that if a team is willing to give Jackson another shot at being a head coach in the NFL that “they’ll have a great head coach.”
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey is another player that flourished under Jackson’s tutelage.
Jackson said he and then-offensive coordinator Al Saunders determined the things that Heyward-Bey does best and concentrated on those things in games.
Heyward-Bey responded with career-highs in receptions (64), yards (975) and touchdowns (4) last season. Heyward-Bey has 28 catches for 440 yards and three touchdowns so far this season.
“He just saw the work I put in,” Heyward-Bey said. “He believed in me. He was the type of coach that, he will call plays because he wanted to see if you were going to make a play. He did that the years he was here.”
Heyward-Bey said he also enjoyed Jackson’s gutsy play-calling.
Middle linebacker Rolando McClain said he enjoyed the energy and passion that Jackson brought to the team. He certainly didn’t expect the Raiders to fire Jackson after an 8-8 season.
“I guess you never know what’s going to happen, especially not with this team,” McClain said. “I guess you never know what will happen. That’s just the business that we’re in. It caught me by surprise. I didn’t expect it.”

– No emotional send-offs for veteran linebacker Aaron Curry. At least not from coach Allen.
When asked whether Curry’s departure owed to Curry’s knee injuries or an inability to make the defense better, Allen wasted little time responding.
“We just didn’t feel like he was a fit for us moving forward,” Allen said, without elaborating.
Guess there really isn’t a need when the answer is that succinct.

– Wide receiver Denarius Moore and Palmer at times in recent games looked as if they were playing together for the first time.
Only one of seven passes directed for Moore against the Saints found the mark. Against the Buccaneers, a late pass by Palmer ended up in the arms of a Bucs defensive back, with Moore breaking toward the middle of the field, away from the ball.
Allen said everyone has a share of blame for Palmer and Moore not being on the same page as often as desired.
“It’s all of our responsibility,” Allen said. “First of all, all of us need to look internally at what we need to do better to make this thing work. And then, collectively, as a group, how can we work to make this better?”
Part of the issue also stems from Moore being a second-year player, still acclimating to the NFL and learning a new offense for the second straight season.
“Yeah, and that’s what happens when you have young players,” Allen said. “There’s a growing process, and Denarius is still continuing to grow and he’s going to continue to get better, but it’s part of the process.”
Palmer said he bears the brunt of the responsibility.
“I need to look at the film and see what happens and we need to sit down and talk about it,” Palmer said after the Saints game. “He’s our go-to guy. He’s our No. 1 receiver, he’s got a lot of plays for him and we haven’t had a ton of time on task and that’s why some of the miscommunication things come up.
“The guy had a bad hamstring injury all offseason, all training camp, there’s times it shows and it’s my fault. He’s a second-year guy, we need to do a better job getting on the same page with him, seeing things the way he sees ‘em and I need to improve in that aspect.”

– Allen said it’s possible that the vacancy on the 53-man roster created by waiving Curry on Tuesday will be filled by signing a player from the practice squad.

– Allen still isn’t sure when McFadden, Mike Goodson or Richard Seymour will be able to get back on the field. All he can do for now is remain hopeful. None of the three practiced Wednesday.
“Well, I don’t know when they’ll be back,” Allen said. “Hopefully they all will be back soon. All I can tell you is they are all rehabbing. Tyvon was out here practicing today. They’re going to rehab as fast as they can and when they’re healthy they’ll be back out here.”

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  • MiamiRaider78

    Well, hopefully next year we’ll stay away from drafting players with the intent of switching them to new positions, Tired of that shet!

  • morilla

    You ever see 55 try and shoot a gap? It’s like watching a 80 year old try to get to the front of the line at Sizzlers early bird special.

  • MiamiRaider78

    Rolando McBust? lol Another bites the bust!

  • RaiderRockstar

    It’s been 3 years now. You can start using the word “bust” now. It’s ok.

    ***

    agreed Morilla

    JaMarcus didn’t even start 16 games before Raider fans called him a bust and started calling for his head

    how many starts has #55 had??

    the answer = plenty

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    morilla Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    You ever see 55 try and shoot a gap? It’s like watching a 80 year old try to get to the front of the line at Sizzlers early bird special.
    =====================================

    hehehehehe. good one.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    New Era of Excellence.

    Brought to you by the UDDER FAILURE and Krapp.

    What a joke.

  • Charlie

    The problem is our drafts for the last ten years and what our focus has been. We have tried enough different schemes and coaches to realize that we do not have the talent especially on the line of scrimmage.
    Perhaps I have been going about explaining the importance of winning along the line of scrimmage the wrong way. Let me try this.
    9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
    OLines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
    THAT IS WHAT THE GAME IS ABOUT. The rest of the pieces fill in the gaps.
    A runner does not have the space and he looks like Dmac in Oakland not Arkansas.
    A linebacker fighting off Olineman looks like McClain in Oakland not Alabama.
    Do you really think you are going to be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building your lines with low round draft picks or free agents?

    Taken to another extreme, do you think you will be able to beat your competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team?

    These are typically 270-320 pound athletes that need to have the agility and quickness of college level skill players. Do you really think you are likely to find many of them in the fifth and sixth round or packing out at Wal Mart?
    Really?
    HINT: You better spend enough high round picks in the draft to build your lines or you will have a team that very closely resembles the 2012 Oakland Raiders.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    morilla Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    Writing was on the wall when they stated pulling him and started using the nickel more.

    55 is a dud. Complete molasses. No fire , no hunt. He’s soft. We don’t need that as a MLB wearing the silver and black. Especially not at his pick and price point.

    It’s been 3 years now. You can start using the word “bust” now. It’s ok.
    ===========================================

    How does a MLB play 60 snaps on defense and get none or one tackle? How can that happen? Again, it just boggles the mind…

  • RaiderRockstar

    Heat is looking mean, while my Lakers are going backwards.

    ***

    Spurs & OKC continue to dominate the West, as I predicted

    Heat & Knicks = beasts of the East

    Nets & Lakers = all hype

  • RaiderRockstar

    DET/HOU headed to overtime, yippee

  • RaiderRockstar

    Schaub & Stafford already have a combined 90 pass attempts!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    It’s fun to watch guys make plays. It’s fun to watch JJ Watt blow his guy up, and Stafford steps up, gets out of it, lays a nice ball on the boundary and their guy actually catches it. If only our guys made plays…

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Just an example of why Tits is a clueless, udder failure…

    Can anyone possibly justify TP being inactive every single week ?

    Listen, I’m not saying he should be starting.

    But HTF do you have the young man inactive every week and not even put him on the field for a wildcat play one single freaking time ?

    TP can’t even feel he’s part of the team or has any future here.

    At least give the guy a taste of what it’s like to play on a Sunday.

    Give opposing defenses something to think about and prepare for.

    For crying out loud, don’t let him just rust and waste away on the sidelines in sweatpants.

    At least try to find out what you have.

    What is there to lose?

    What ? Matt Lice is the future ?

    Give me a fkng break.

    Clueless.

    Inept.

    No vision.

    No leadership.

    No hope.

    UDDER FAILURE.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Pettigrew screwed the Lions chances of winning, lol

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Priest,…McLain sucks,..so do you,..tell it to Gary,..I cleared the path for you,..try not to get banned again, I wont bail you out again.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Seabass would have nailed that!!

  • Charlie

    Raidermann

    Pryor’s health is what you have to lose.
    It would be interesting if we had a strong team around him but we do not.

    See my post about building better lines 557.

    Then again, if we had better lines we would not be 3-7 and asking to put in a QB that has never played in the NFL.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Pryor’s health is what you have to lose.
    ——
    If Palmer can stay healthy, Pryor would be alright.

  • RaiderRockstar

    is this game gonna end in a tie ??

  • RAIDERMAN99

    You see the way a coach like Harbaugh handled Kaepernick ?

    He didn’t throw him in there.

    He EASED him in there.

    Put some packages in for Kaepernick.

    Gave him a taste.

    Gave him a chance to get ready.

    Developed him.

    Had some vision.

    And when Smith went down, Kaep was ready to step in.

    Now I’m not saying that the same thing would definitely happen with TP.

    It might. It might not.

    But one thing’s for sure, you’ll never know unless you try.

    UDDER FAILURE = CLUELESS BUFFOON.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Pryor needs development. he needs reps

    getting almost no reps in practice and being inactive each week does what exactly?

    it does nothing for him. it does nothing for the Raiders

    stupid move making Leinart anything more than a 3rd string clipboard holder imo

  • Charlie

    Palmer is OK because he gets rid of the ball fast. An occasional pick now and then but he stays alive.

    Pryor will hesitate or start to run. See Jason Cambpell, Gradkowski, Frye etc.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Pryor’s health is what you have to lose.
    ========================================
    C’mon Charlie, that’s lame.

    Every player that hits the field runs the risk of injury.

    Have to come up with something better than that.

  • RaiderRockstar

    one thing’s for sure, you’ll never know unless you try.

    ***

    agreed RM99

    Pryor might be the next Vick, Newton, Griffith or Freeman

    [which is certainly better than anything you'll see from Matt Leinart]

  • Charlie

    Again SF is light years ahead of Oakland on the line of scrimmage.
    You can not compare the two.SF is not one dimensional. They can run the ball as well.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm

    Just an example of why Tits is a clueless, udder failure…

    Can anyone possibly justify TP being inactive every single week ?

    Listen, I’m not saying he should be starting.
    ===========================================

    If he is not starting then why would he possibly be active? You can only have so many active guys. That means you are going to be short on the Oline, LB’s Dline or special teams. Every NFL team only keeps two Q’s and an emergency Q active. Sucks that Pryor is #3 on the depth chart, but contrary to what people on this blog believe Allen, Knapp and Mackenzie are not racists.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
    Pryor needs development. he needs reps

    getting almost no reps in practice and being inactive each week does what exactly?

    it does nothing for him. it does nothing for the Raiders

    stupid move making Leinart anything more than a 3rd string clipboard holder imo
    =============================================
    Exactly.

    Udder Failure and Krapp are dunces.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Guess icing the kicker DOES work.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Lions kicker missed a FG in OT, too??

    lol

  • Charlie

    Have a nice Thanksgiving guys.Got to go.

    Again, I have seen many QB’s get f*cked up on poor teams.
    Plunkett, Campbell, Carr, Leftwich, Pennington.

    Lets try to build a line before we sacrifice another potential talent.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Lets try to build a line before we sacrifice another potential talent.

    ***

    we did that, Charlie!

    meet Mike Brisiel & Tony Bergstrom

    :-P

  • RAIDERMAN99

    meet Mike Brisiel & Tony Bergstrom
    ==================================
    And Willie Smith.

    And chose not to bring back Satele.

    Way to go Reggie.

  • RaiderRockstar

    even though Stafford threw for 441 yards & 2 TD’s … he only completed 50% of his passes, lol

  • RaiderRockstar

    RM99,

    to be fair, we claimed Little Willie off waivers

    at least we didn’t sign him to a big contract, draft him or trade for him

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    GOOD AFTERNOON SPORT’S FAN’S.CANT STAY LONG,ALLMOST TIME FOR MY 1ST NAP.DONT PLAY TP6 UNLESS PALMER IS HURT IMO

  • RaiderRetribution

    I’ve been Raider fan since Lamonica threw to Wells, win or lose, even through the Jamarcus to Murphy seasons, so don’t even go there 2013jg,

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 1:51 pm

    GOOD AFTERNOON SPORT’S FAN’S.CANT STAY LONG,ALLMOST TIME FOR MY 1ST NAP.DONT PLAY TP6 UNLESS PALMER IS HURT IMO
    =======================================

    That’s what I am saying. The only other option is because the Raiders have SO MANY holes to fill, you might want to sit Palmer and Seymour the last 4 games just to keep the mileage off of them. And try to get another whole year out of them on the back side. In that case you might activate Pryor.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    to be fair, we claimed Little Willie off waivers

    at least we didn’t sign him to a big contract, draft him or trade for him
    =============================================
    True, and Reggie shouldn’t be raked over the coals for that move.

    But it would be fair to say that there’s reasonable doubt about Reggie having the acumen to identify OL talent.

    I mean, didn’t Bergs play Tackle at Utah ?

    You just used your top draft pick on a college T, dumped Barksdale, and when Barnes goes down you wind up with Lil Willie ?

    Shouldn’t the GM and staff have realized that Wiz might be better suited at LG ?

    So why not retain Satelle ?

    What about Parsons and Nix ?

    Got to have a plan. Got to know what you have and how to use it.

    Management and coaching failure.

  • DJ Johnny

    Do yourselves a favor and watch some tape of Pryor throwing the ball at Ohio St. You can youtube it. Then come back and talk about comparing him to Kaepernick, Newton, Griffith and Freeman.

    I’d say he’s a better threat on the run than all those guys including Newton. He runs like a gazelle with his long stride and nifty moves but he throws a wobbly, inaccurate ball from what i’ve seen.

    I don’t say this cuz I don’t like him.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Seymour does not have another season in him, do you even notice that gut, he makes plays each game, but can only play about twenty snaps or so.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    RaiderRetribution Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 2:01 pm

    Seymour does not have another season in him, do you even notice that gut, he makes plays each game, but can only play about twenty snaps or so.
    =========================================

    Honestly, he is the one who grades out highest on the entire defense. Again, you guys may not like him, but we are NOT getting rid of our best player for nothing when we have so many other positions that need help.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    So why not retain Satelle ?

    What about Parsons and Nix ?

    Got to have a plan. Got to know what you have and how to use it.

    Management and coaching failure.
    ===================================

    Satele got tired of hearing how bad he was from Raider fan. He wasn’t coming back. I am a big Lucas Nix fan but I have to believe if he was our best interior lineman he would be out there. I think that is the smarts of the staff, not a failure.

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Yeah, DON’T activate TP and give him a taste.

    Go with Matt Lice. He’s a possibility for the future.

    That’s the ticket.

    It’s a good thing TP has been inactive every single week and hasn’t played a single down.

    That way, if Palmer goes down we can continue our SB march with Lice.

    Nice to know this team has direction.

    We’re on our way to the playoffs AND developing our possible future players.

    Sweet.

  • Priesttj12

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 7:16 am
    Happy holidays to you all,..now that Big John canned Alex Smith I think the Raiders should offer up a draft pick for him,..hes 2-0 against the Raiders and is VERY underrated,…he would be the perfect fit in Oakland,..Hell he already is married to a Raiderette,…lets do this Reg you big dummy,..oh and by the way Reg, dont eat the whole F`n turkey again this year.
    *********************************
    Here’s something worth ignoring……why waste a post to say this….

  • RAIDERMAN99

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    Do yourselves a favor and watch some tape of Pryor throwing the ball at Ohio St. You can youtube it. Then come back and talk about comparing him to Kaepernick, Newton, Griffith and Freeman.

    I’d say he’s a better threat on the run than all those guys including Newton. He runs like a gazelle with his long stride and nifty moves but he throws a wobbly, inaccurate ball from what i’ve seen.

    I don’t say this cuz I don’t like him.
    ===========================================
    I happen to think you’re right about TP.

    I haven’t seen evidence that he throws well enough to be a very successful NFL QB.

    In fact, the evidence indicates just the opposite, as you point out, DJ.

    Still, there’s only one way to find out for sure.

    You put some plays and packages in for TP and ease him in.

    You try to prep him and have him ready if Palmer goes down.

    You do NOT have him inactive every week and have Matt Lice as the next man up, in a season that clearly is going nowhere.

    You take a look. You try to develop.

    For crying out loud, you’ve got absolutely nothing to lose.

    Complete incompetence and UDDER FAILURE.

    Across the board.

  • DJ Johnny

    I’ll bet u Mark is thinking the same thing Raiderman. Dad picked up TP in the 3rd round and i’m sure he’d like to see what he can do.

    It’s tempting to have hope for TP when u see these other young, athletic guys like Kapernick do what he’s doing and you start to think “Hmmmm, maybe we have one of those too”.

  • DJ Johnny

    Honestly, if we are 3-9 seeing Pryor play might be the only reason we even wanna watch any more games.

  • Priesttj12

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    Do yourselves a favor and watch some tape of Pryor throwing the ball at Ohio St. You can youtube it. Then come back and talk about comparing him to Kaepernick, Newton, Griffith and Freeman.

    I’d say he’s a better threat on the run than all those guys including Newton. He runs like a gazelle with his long stride and nifty moves but he throws a wobbly, inaccurate ball from what i’ve seen.

    I don’t say this cuz I don’t like him.
    ===========================================
    I happen to think you’re right about TP.

    I haven’t seen evidence that he throws well enough to be a very successful NFL QB.

    In fact, the evidence indicates just the opposite, as you point out, DJ.

    Still, there’s only one way to find out for sure.

    You put some plays and packages in for TP and ease him in.

    You try to prep him and have him ready if Palmer goes down.

    You do NOT have him inactive every week and have Matt Lice as the next man up, in a season that clearly is going nowhere.
    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 22nd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
    Do yourselves a favor and watch some tape of Pryor throwing the ball at Ohio St. You can youtube it. Then come back and talk about comparing him to Kaepernick, Newton, Griffith and Freeman.

    I’d say he’s a better threat on the run than all those guys including Newton. He runs like a gazelle with his long stride and nifty moves but he throws a wobbly, inaccurate ball from what i’ve seen.

    I don’t say this cuz I don’t like him.
    ===========================================
    I happen to think you’re right about TP.

    I haven’t seen evidence that he throws well enough to be a very successful NFL QB.

    In fact, the evidence indicates just the opposite, as you point out, DJ.

    Still, there’s only one way to find out for sure.

    You put some plays and packages in for TP and ease him in.

    You try to prep him and have him ready if Palmer goes down.

    You do NOT have him inactive every week and have Matt Lice as the next man up, in a season that clearly is going nowhere.
    You take a look. You try to develop.

    For crying out loud, you’ve got absolutely nothing to lose.

    Complete incompetence and UDDER FAILURE.

    Across the board.

    **************************************
    When is this crap ever going to stop?

    I read the same crap about Cam and Kaepernick B4 they were drafted…..yet Matt Leinart/Alex Smith is allowed to look like crap passing the football. Terrelle Pryor is twice the passer Alex Smith is and 10x’s the competitor. I said 2 weeks ago that Kaepernick was in thr process of stealing Smith’s job and everyoe in here laughed. None of you will admit that now.

    The only difference between Kaepernick and Pryor is Pryor is faster and may be even more accurate. Kappy’s delivery is elongated and slow and he has a hard time taking somegthing off his passes he zips everything. Pryor throws with a lot more touch on short passes. But if I had a chance between the two I’d Pryor he just is all-around a better player.

    I told every Niner fan I know that Smith time as a starter was in peril the moment they drafted Kapernick everybody said he’s just a runner. Smith is booboo always has been yet there are Niner fans who would rather have him because he looks the part.

    That is the same stupidity taking place now in Oakland matt Leinart looks the part but in actuality he can’t carry Pryor’s jock. Unfortunately the OC likes Leinart.

    I’m watching a rookie outplay a seasoned vet RGIII is dominating Dallas yes the same RGIII everyone in here said wouldn’t make it at this level. You know what comes to mind everytime I read this crap. I’m not even sure it’s worth saying……….but it is unmistakable.

    I’m telling you all now Palmer will have a very hard time keeping Pryor on the bench come next fall. Just you watch…..all he needs is another offseason and preseason just like I told Greg Knapp. Who quite frankly agreed somewhat reluctantly.

  • GreatWhiteRaider

    Another part of the Draft is the DEVELOPMENT of these players. IMO, if anyone actually reaches their potential under these circumstances of the last while it’s because of themselves/sheer will/natural talent.

    Imagine you were drafted in “Lance’s” first year? Gee, that wasn’t turbulent at all. Then Cable for almost 2 full seasons, then Hue for a season, endless coordinators, schemes, the Owner is a de facto DC, now he’s dead. Before he died, if you didn’t like your coach or how you were being treated, just go cry to him. What a gong show.

    I would find it extremely entertaining and laughable if it were anyone but the Raiders. (*As an aside, John Herreira wanting to throw down with Tim Kawakami at that Presser a few years ago has to be one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen!)

    But just to illustrate a point. I’m not defending him or saying the Raiders ruined him at all. I think he was lazy with a false sense of entitlement. But if the Raiders had a strong organization with quality people, maybe JaMarcus would have been handled differently and wouldn’t have ended up being such a disgrace?

    Maybe the same thing to a lesser degree has happened to McClain? Don’t know if it can be fixed with him being a Raider or if it’s best he move on?

    I love reading all the other bloggers and the debate between if it’s coaching and/or personnel that is lacking? I think it’s really hard to pin it down because the turnover is so high for both.

    I really believe that some consistency will bring stability and the REAL culprits can start to be identified and let go.

    The hard part is at this point is having faith in the people chosen when there aren’t instant results/or signs of progress. Outside of Chucky’s reign, it’s coming up on 20 years of wandering aimlessly and we’ve all had enough of it. What’s even more demoralizing is that with the way this season has gone, it looks like it’ll get worse before it gets better…..again.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    Griffin can play football.