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Two added to injury report, one removed

The Raiders removed wide receiver Denarius Moore (hamstring) from the injury report Thanksgiving Day. That positive news was offset by running back Taiwan Jones (ankle) and defensive end Jack Crawford (toe) being added to the injury report.
Perhaps of more import, running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson and defensive tackle Richard Seymour didn’t practice once again.
If none of those three practices Friday, it’s very unlikely that any of them will play Sunday against the Cincinnati Bengals, especially considering they haven’t played the past two games or practiced for almost three weeks.
The Raiders have an abbreviated practice Friday and then head to the airport for the flight to Cincinnait.

– Twenty seven players that were on the Raiders roster for the final regular-season game last season no longer are on the 53-man roster.
Wide receiver Jacoby Ford still is with the Raiders, though he is on season-ending injured reserve and doesn’t count on the 53-man roster.
Thirteen of those 27 players no longer are in the NFL. Thirteen are playing for other teams. Ford is the 27th.
Waiving veteran outside linebacker Aaron Curry was the latest purging of players from the roster that coach Dennis Allen and general manager Reggie McKenzie inherited.

– A blown coverage by outside linebacker Miles Burris against the Saints that resulted in a touchdown by Saints tight end Jimmy Graham can be chalked up to a rookie mistake, coach Dennis Allen said.
That wasn’t Burris’ lone issue against the Saints as he learns on the job — Burris has started all 10 games this season.
Burris allowed eight receptions for 63 yards and one touchdown on the eight times he was targeted by Saints quarterback Drew Brees last Sunday, according to Pro Football Focus. Burris also missed two tackles.

– Allen isn’t making too much of the Raiders playing a game against a Bengals team that features his predecessor, Hue Jackson.
In fact, he hasn’t even mentioned anything to his players about the subject.
“We haven’t addressed it,” Allen said. “We’re playing the Cincinnati Bengals and we’ve got to worry about doing the things that we have to do to have success. We can’t worry about any of those outside distractions. And really, it’s not a major factor in the game. It’s going to be our players going out and our players executing against their team.”

– Allen has no issue with the schemes used by first-year defensive coordinator Jason Tarver. It’s on the players to do their part on a more consistent basis.
“It’s been the same the whole year,” Allen said, as far as his level of involvement in the defense. “We haven’t changed anything as far as how we call the games. I’ve been pleased with the play-calling, and we’ve just got to do a better job overall of getting the right execution.”

– 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith recorded 5 1/2 sacks against the Chicago Bears on Monday night. That total is half what the Raiders notched as a team their first 10 games.
For that paltry total to change much, Allen said, the Raiders need the defensive linemen tp play in concert, first and foremost.
“I don’t think we have the great speed rusher coming off the edge, like a lot of people do,” Allen said. “Our guys can rush the passer, and we’ve just got to work together and understand how to work together as a four-man rush.”
Better coverage by linebackers and defensive backs also can augment the pass rush.
“It’s a combination of pass rush and pass coverage,” Allen said. “We’ve got to do a better job of winning our one-on-ones, whether that be in coverage or whether that be in the rush, and those things work together. It really comes down to individual battles and we’ve got to win more individual battles.”

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  • Charlie

    Jongruden

    You can talk coaching all you want.
    We lack talent.

    There is no quick fix.

    Change coaches and schemes all you want. We have been doing that for ten years with the same results.
    Let’s get better players.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Wauffle generated a pass rush with essentially the same DL core.

    The problem is coaching — Defensive Line coaching and Defensive Co-ordinator.

    Getting more out of less is something all NFL coaches (position coaches, co-ordinators, and head coaches) have to deal with 24/7.

    Al was right, and Mark was right recently, in the comments about there are no excuses due to salary cap or lack of roster talent.

    Btw, there has been a drop in roster talent too…and no wonder, given Reggie/DA have been systematically gutting it all year. It’s now down to 27 left from the 53 last year. And Reggie’s choices, in FA acquisitions especially, has been underwhelming. There’s no indication yet if guys like Crawford and Bilukidi and Bergstrom even amount to anything.

    And to back up a common topic…the OL/DL is THE most important facet of football. It is the center from which everything else comes from.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Knapp has a contract for three years, he will be here,…I agree with football people, the system is a great one, teams like Houston are taking that system to the superbowl…but when you have losers like DMC and countless others on the team, theres no chance at all,..Knapp is a great OC, but hes working with a roster that no college team would recruit. Period.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Waufle had Wimbley, who changed everything up front….but fatboy Reggie decided to get rid of him. Check out the results on that brilliant move.

  • John David Booty

    “I don’t think we have the great speed rusher coming off the edge, like a lot of people do,” Allen said.
    —————————————————
    Seriously, get this guy out of here. Been making excuses all season, with zero results. You think the players don’t see this, him throwing them under the bus. This is about to get worse.

  • John David Booty

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 7:43 am
    Knapp has a contract for three years, he will be here,…I agree with football people, the system is a great one, teams like Houston are taking that system to the superbowl…but when you have losers like DMC and countless others on the team, theres no chance at all,..Knapp is a great OC, but hes working with a roster that no college team would recruit. Period.
    —————————————————–
    Knapp is a great OC? What are you basing that comment on?

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Lol, he’s also throwing Reggie under the bus hehe

  • Charlie

    GG

    Your last line says it all and we have ignored that area for ten years.

    9 of your starting 22 (41%) plays exclusively in the box.
    OLines create time and space. Dlines destroy time and space.
    THAT IS WHAT THE GAME IS ABOUT. The rest of the pieces fill in the gaps.
    A runner does not have the space and he looks like Dmac in Oakland; not Arkansas.
    A linebacker fighting off Olineman that get to the second level looks like McClain in Oakland; not Alabama.
    A QB without time looks like Brady against the Giants in a Super Bowl; not Brady against Oakland.
    Do you really think we are going to be a consistently, strong, winning franchise building our lines with low round draft picks or free agents?
    Taken to another extreme, do you think we will be able to beat our competition when they consistently use high picks to build this part of their team?
    These are typically 270-320 pound athletes that need to have the agility and quickness of college level skill players. Do you really think you are likely to find premier or at least very good lineman in the fifth to seventh round or packing out at Wal Mart THAT ARE BETTER THAN WHAT OTHER NFL TEAMS HAVE?
    Really?
    You are certainly entitled to your opinion but I would strongly suggest that the laws of probability are against us. Better yet, we have a classic example of what that strategy gets us; The 2012 Oakland Raiders.
    HINT: We need to build through the draft and expend enough high round draft picks on lineman to ensure superior line play. The way the Raiders used to do it.
    We have 10 years of evidence to show that what we have been doing DOES NOT WORK!

  • DJ Johnny

    Charlie, 3-5 yr’s? Maybe that is what will end up happening but it doesn’t have to take that long.

    If Reggie is as good as people say, it shouldn’t.

    Maybe 3-5 yr’s for serious SB contention, but to at least get back to the playoffs and be a respected team, no GM’s are given that much leeway and low expectation.

    I know guys here want to call our consecutibe 8-8 seasons a “mirage” and it didn’t really happen..(weak schedule BOTH years etc. etc.) but it is what it is.

    He did not inheret a 2-14 team or an expansion team.

    Even IF it was expansion team, Carolina went to NFC title game in year 3 of their existence.

    Why should fans be patient and expect up to 5 yr’s to become a decent team? I’m not saying SB right away, but if Reggie is ANY GOOD AT ALL this can be done much quicker. And it should imo.

    There is NO EXCUSE for being the laughingstock of the league after coming off 2 8-8 seasons no matter how many excuses people dig up to say how ‘unreal’ it was.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    “I don’t think we have the great speed rusher coming off the edge, like a lot of people do,” Allen said.

    —-

    lol, yeah a lot of people have speed rushers. For instance, I do. When I’m standing in queue at the shopping mall, I whistle and my speed rusher comes crashing thru to move me up in the queue. Problems with the wife/girlfriend? No sweat, I just dial up my speed rusher and fixes it all for me.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    The most disconcerting thing about DA imo is that the worse things have gotten the farther into the sand he buries his head, as in shifting culpability to the players and even the GM in whining about a lack of talent. Shifting culpability away from his hand-picked coaching staff and their play-calling, to blame the players. He’s on the gravy train and maybe he thinks he can fool Reggie with his ruse. Or maybe Reggie is indeed that easy to fool. Glad Mark chimed in.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 7:45 am
    Waufle had Wimbley, who changed everything up front….but fatboy Reggie decided to get rid of him. Check out the results on that brilliant move.

    ==========================================

    Because keeping Wimbley would have resulted in $42 million in guaranteed money/cap hits. Too much money for too little of a player.

  • John David Booty

    GG Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 7:53 am
    “I don’t think we have the great speed rusher coming off the edge, like a lot of people do,” Allen said.

    —-

    lol, yeah a lot of people have speed rushers. For instance, I do. When I’m standing in queue at the shopping mall, I whistle and my speed rusher comes crashing thru to move me up in the queue. Problems with the wife/girlfriend? No sweat, I just dial up my speed rusher and fixes it all for me.
    ——————————————————-
    Exactly. When youre HC jumps into the, “I could dunk if I had some Air Jordans” line of excuses, its pretty much over. This guy doesnt know what the hell he’s doing. And it shows in his desperation responses. We went from, “we’re almost there, we’re close” at the beginning of the season, to ““I don’t think we have the great speed rusher coming off the edge, like a lot of people do”.

    DA is toast.

  • DJ Johnny

    People keep saying we’ve been horrible “for a decade”.

    That is exaggeration. the Raiders were in the 2003 SB, then had SEVEN seasons of losing…bad… but 7 is not decade and then things started to look better with the consecutive 8-8′s.

    If you look at it on it’s face, the team was ‘on the rise’. Now? Bad…very bad. Bad contracts to clean up etc. and all of a sudden the team that was good enough to be “average” for two yr’s is a mess and devoid of talent.

    I don’t believe the loss of a guy who basically had one good game last yr against a 3rd string lineman is the devastating loss some say; or by losing your backup rb was the huge loss some say. Or by losing Routt (not in the league now he’s so bad).

    If Reggie is skilled, than we need to raise the expectations a bit and expect better than being the joke of the league right now with no hope for up to 5 yr’s.

  • John David Booty

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 8:04 am
    People keep saying we’ve been horrible “for a decade”.

    That is exaggeration. the Raiders were in the 2003 SB, then had SEVEN seasons of losing…bad… but 7 is not decade and then things started to look better with the consecutive 8-8’s.

    If you look at it on it’s face, the team was ‘on the rise’. Now? Bad…very bad. Bad contracts to clean up etc. and all of a sudden the team that was good enough to be “average” for two yr’s is a mess and devoid of talent.

    I don’t believe the loss of a guy who basically had one good game last yr against a 3rd string lineman is the devastating loss some say; or by losing your backup rb was the huge loss some say. Or by losing Routt (not in the league now he’s so bad).

    If Reggie is skilled, than we need to raise the expectations a bit and expect better than being the joke of the league right now with no hope for up to 5 yr’s.
    ——————————————————-
    This. The team was on the rise, and the GM and staff said that they felt as much when they took over.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    If DA is toast, then the toaster will pop him up as soon as conclusion of the Bengals game.

    He’s already making excuses for why they will lose this weekend before the game has even been played. He’s quite good at trying to paint himself the victim, getting the media to feel for him.

    He’s a good guy, trying to fix the ways of evil degenerate Al, who built a talentless roster. Good to see other media outlets like Sacbee, Tafur etc are starting to see thru the BS and vivisect everything, whereas other media outlets *ahem* try their darndest to be chirpy and post superficially.

    Reggie is a problem too, because he’s clearly as stubborn as Allen. His rookie year, and also doesn’t want to appear as tho he’s making mistakes, made a HC hire mistake, doesn’t regret any releases he made, etc.

    A roster built for a type of offensive/defensive scheme can look talentless if tried to be forced into a whole other system. Reggie and DA are insistent on maintaining their chosen system here, and thus completing turning over the roster over a two-three year period until it’s 100% Reggie’s hand-picking.

    And yes, there are a number of players that are dispensable, liabilities, and should be traded/cut. But it’s mostly the players newly brought in that have been underwhelming.

  • boss01

    “I don’t think we have the great speed rusher coming off the edge, like a lot of people do,” Allen said.

    ================

    He had Von Miller last year, who is near the top in sacks this year and all he could manage was to field the 20th ranked defense.

    This guy is full of excuses and cliches and devoid of acumen and direction.

  • John David Booty

    Boss01 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
    “I don’t think we have the great speed rusher coming off the edge, like a lot of people do,” Allen said.

    ================

    He had Von Miller last year, who is near the top in sacks this year and all he could manage was to field the 20th ranked defense.

    This guy is full of excuses and cliches and devoid of acumen and direction.
    ————————————————–
    It might be safe to assume that Von Miller is responsible for getting DA a HC job.

  • Charlie

    If my post on 358 does not convince you, then I think I have done everything I can.

    I have been hearing about fans critiquing coaching since the 2002 season ended.
    (The Super Bowl was played in 2003. The team was the 2002 Oakland Raiders. 2012-2002=10 years).
    What was our record in 2003?(4-12)

    Though I have a great deal of respect for Mr Davis and I will always be a Raider fan, even the most casual observer can not possibly think we have enough talent to compete.

    If we were losing by a field goal or at least being competitive against good teams I could say maybe coaching is a factor.

    We are getting blasted by good teams because we lack talent. Last year down the stretch we got crushed by good teams starting with Miami and everyone thought Bresnahan sucked.
    Now Tarver sucks?

    No, the players suck and we need to draft better.
    Reggie has had less than one year with no high picks to fix ten years of mismanagement.

    If you can not deal with our reality, don’t go to the games.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    I have it on high authority that Palmers final start is this Sunday…so there you have it. And no, Leinart isnt going to be the starter the remainder either,..so finally Priest will see what the kid has… (nothing)

  • MarcusAllen

    Kevin Boothe 6th round pick – seems to be doing well since Kiffen and Knapp let him go. These guys just need more time is all…. Right.

  • J Hill

    With you Charlie!!!!

    I like the big DT from Utah with the #1 pick.

    Haven’t seen a LT I like that high.

  • MarcusAllen

    People need to stop apologizing for this group and demand results. Scheme coaches players don’t matter. Wins and losses do. Win and the fans believe – lose and they don’t. Al Davis understood this.

  • oakfoshow

    They will be here,they have contracts? Bullsht!They will be fired as soon as the season is over.Contracts dont mean jack in the NFL never has.If you dont win you are as$ed OUT as fk.I cant remember anticipateing a fireing of a staff this badly sinse bed and breakfast. Get out get out get out!

  • J Hill

    Someone is certainly getting fired.

    Can’t see it being the whole staff though.

    Some coaches, some players.

  • oakfoshow

    I dont give a damn if there has been a hundred coaches here the last 10 years.That has nothing to do with whats going on this year.They are bums.Use the eye test people.DA out,Knapp out.Reggie hangs on one more year.

  • oakfoshow

    Reggie looks like a Grouper.Fkn retard.

  • boss01

    I am still conflicted about the DA situation.

    On one hand I would not be against giving him another year the right the ship for continuity sake under the caveat that new competent assistants are hired with an influx of talent from the draft and market.

    On the other hand I would not lose sleep or be against every single coach including Reggie getting axed in favor of an experienced and proven GM and HC.

    Either way, I don’t trust Mark’s judgment or his 70+ year old advisers judgment to hire the right GM and HC anyway.

  • SJSURaider (19yr19fan)

    I don’t understand how everyone hated hue and wanted him fired for “throwing the players under the bus” after the last game even though he went 8-8 with a roster you all think is devoid of talent and with an incompetent DC he didn’t want in Bresnahan. But with Reggie here and his supposed eye for talent DA gets a pass for throwing the team under the bus halfway through the season while he’s getting blown out every week and this team is nowhere near where hue had it.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Oakfoshow Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:11 am
    Reggie looks like a Grouper.Fkn retard.

    He may or not look like one, but you are a fkn retard.

  • boss01

    John David Booty Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 8:33 am

    Boss01 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
    “I don’t think we have the great speed rusher coming off the edge, like a lot of people do,” Allen said.

    ================

    He had Von Miller last year, who is near the top in sacks this year and all he could manage was to field the 20th ranked defense.

    This guy is full of excuses and cliches and devoid of acumen and direction.
    ————————————————–
    It might be safe to assume that Von Miller is responsible for getting DA a HC job.

    =================

    Mark’s stupid decision to allow Reggie to pick his own guy is what’s responsible. Reggie picks players, not coaches. Its still up in the air if he can even pick players. So far every single DB he has brought in has been garbage. Every single draft pick, except for maybe Burris even though he’s been owned the last two weeks, has been worthless. The only player he didn’t miss on was Wheeler, but he got him at the expense of losing a speed rusher. The Brisiel experiment has been a disaster and so far the DA HC decision has been an unmitigated disaster.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 8:56 am
    I have it on high authority that Palmers final start is this Sunday…so there you have it. And no, Leinart isnt going to be the starter the remainder either,..so finally Priest will see what the kid has… (nothing)
    —–
    I actually believe that, but only if they lose.

  • J Hill

    If Mark Davis can get Gruden here, then sure, bye everyone.

    Short of that, I’m more focused on upgrading the roster.

  • Charlie

    JHILL

    I would like to see us trade down in the first round to pick up a second round pick.
    At a minimum our first two picks need to be DE/DT depending on who is available.

    We need Oline help but not as badly as on the dline.
    (Bergstrom for Carlisle who will most likely retire?).

    Seymour and Kelly will be gone next year. Horrible values.

    All coaches will stay. The new Raiders do not allow the old end run of players going to ownership when they are actually held accountable.

    More player house cleaning required.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 8:56 am
    I have it on high authority that Palmers final start is this Sunday…so there you have it. And no, Leinart isnt going to be the starter the remainder either,..so finally Priest will see what the kid has… (nothing)

    ================================================

    Come on. Palmer is starting the rest of the year unless he gets hurt, except for maybe one or two games at the end.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    People keep saying we’ve been horrible “for a decade”.

    That is exaggeration. the Raiders were in the 2003 SB, then had SEVEN seasons of losing…bad… but 7 is not decade and then things started to look better with the consecutive 8-8’s.
    —-
    Ok then. We have had 10 years of not winning.

  • J Hill

    So who was supposed to pick the coach?

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    The way things have played out for Palmer and the Raiders, this would be the game that Palmer gets injured.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    J Hill Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:25 am
    If Mark Davis can get Gruden here, then sure, bye everyone.

    Short of that, I’m more focused on upgrading the roster.

    =========================================

    Pass on Gruden. The track record of coaches returning to their former teams is abysmal, and Gruden’s record in Tampa Bay after his first year defined “mediocre.”

  • oakfoshow

    379.SJSURaider (19yr19fan) Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
    I don’t understand how everyone hated hue and wanted him fired for “throwing the players under the bus” after the last game even though he went 8-8 with a roster you all think is devoid of talent and with an incompetent DC he didn’t want in Bresnahan. But with Reggie here and his supposed eye for talent DA gets a pass for throwing the team under the bus halfway through the season while he’s getting blown out every week and this team is nowhere near where hue had it.
    ================================================== Hey I will explain it to you.The dumbest football fans in the world are this blog! Most of them are foreigners and dumbas$es with no football skills what so ever, which is made evident everytime they make excuse after excuse for this grouper looking GM with no real gm experiance.Simple.I have faith Mark will hire qualified people at seasons end.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Is Reggie actually having a press conference?

  • boss01

    Either the owner or an experienced GM should pick the coach. Reggie is a rookie GM. He was given way too much power by Mark, you are seeing the end results before your eyes.

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    J Hill Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:27 am
    So who was supposed to pick the coach?

    ==========================================

    The GM is supposed to pick the coach. Al’s chronic mismanagement had brainwashed a lot of people into thinking the owner is SUPPOSED to pick the coach, dictate assistants and gameplans, etc, when the exact opposite is true.

  • inonewordraider

    ““I don’t think we have the great speed rusher coming off the edge, like a lot of people do”.
    ———————-
    what a pu$$y DA is, blaming the d’s performance on a lack of talent. Reggie needs to fire his a$$. and yes seasons over, TP needs to get some run, he strikes me as a DHB type gna take a while but has a chance cuz he’s a hardworker. Was wrong about Kaepernick but honestly didn’t see alot of Kaepernick in college or the pro’s to make a good assessment. Did see alot of TP tho and don’t see the accuracy but like i said he’s a hard worker. To a comment Priest made earlier, if a lot of people were saying RGIII wasn’t gonna succeed that was a pretty bad assessment on there part but i would think most thought he would succeed, guy was always a stud

  • J Hill

    I would like to see us trade down in the first round to pick up a second round pick.
    At a minimum our first two picks need to be DE/DT depending on who is available.

    ——————————————————————————

    I don’t think we can afford to trade down. Our Dline needs a top 5 player.

    Houston and Bryant at DE with that kid from Utah in the middle???

    Problems solved up front.

  • oakfoshow

    380.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:24 am
    Oakfoshow Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 9:11 am
    Reggie looks like a Grouper.Fkn retard.

    He may or not look like one, but you are a fkn retard.

    ==============================================================And your mother is a whore you fkn Reggie loving pzzy!

  • J Hill

    Well you had a rookie owner too who said he knew nothing about the game.

    GM HAS to pick the coach

    Davis was the GM, he picked the coach.

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine
  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Bill Williamson disagrees with most of you guys:

    “Yet, Davis’ actions Sunday worried me. He made some rare public comments, spurred by the frustration of another blowout loss which dropped his team to 3-7. Among the things Davis told reporters was this: “I’m patient, but I want to see progress. Not regression. I’m embarrassed, pissed, disappointed and I take full responsibility.”

    I know many Oakland fans were happy that Davis made those comments, and he is certainly entitled to his opinions. But there were some key parts of his media session that struck me. Saying he was seeking “progress” means that Davis may not have patience. He also mentioned that the team’s woes this season shouldn’t be pinned on the team’s salary-cap situation in the offseason. That can be interpreted as a direct knock on the job his team’s brass has done. “

  • oakfoshow

    The GM is supposed to pick the coach. Al’s chronic mismanagement had brainwashed a lot of people into thinking the owner is SUPPOSED to pick the coach, dictate assistants and gameplans, etc, when the exact opposite is true.

    Another cok breath who predicted the playoffs this year.Shut up idiot! Stay away from them schoolyards to.