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McFadden and Seymour not practicing once again

By Steve Corkran
Friday, November 23rd, 2012 at 11:24 am in Oakland Raiders.

Another day of practice, another day without running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson and defensive tackle Richard Seymour.
The trio missed all three practices this week, same as the previous two weeks. Therefore, it seems a foregone conclusion that coach Dennis Allen in an hour or so will declare all three as out for Sunday’s game against the Cincinnati Bengals.
McFadden (ankle), Goodson (ankle) and Seymour (hamstring) missed the past two games. Allen said they are making progress, but he isn’t sure when any of them might heal enough to return to practice and play in a game.
Rookie defensive end Jack Crawford also is not practicing. He suffered a toe injury Wednesday and missed the past two practices.
On the bright side, strong safety Tyvon Branch (neck) and running back Taiwan Jones (ankle) made it through another practice without any apparent lingering effects from their injuries.
For now, it appears as if Marcel Reece, Jones and rookie Jeremy Stewart will handle the running back duties for a third straight game.
Desmond Bryant will take the bulk of Seymour’s snaps Sunday if Seymour isn’t able to play.

– The Raiders will wrap up practice in about 45 minutes or so. At that time, Allen will address the media and likely announce which players won’t be available for the Bengals game.
It’s also possible that Allen will shed some more light on what he intends to do with the vacancy he has on the 53-man roster. The spot freed up when the Raiders waived linebacker Aaron Curry.
Allen said the Raiders might fill the spot by signing one of the eight players on their practice squad. They went that route two weeks ago when they signed Stewart.

– Curry cleared waivers, as expected. He now is a free agent and available to sign with any team, including the Raiders.
It’s a stretch to envision the Raiders re-signing Curry, given they already had him under contract and got to see him play the past two games.
However, anything is possible, and the Raiders likely could get him back at very little cost. Then again, they’re already on the hook for paying him the remainder of what he is due this season as part of his previous contract.

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  • DKnight007

    37.Ghosttoothepost Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
    DMAC is damaged goods.
    Can’t imagine any GM making a deal for DMAC.
    Not worth the risk.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Some GM would…if it’s the right deal. DMC is not damaged goods. He is still a playmaker.

    Your trying to tell me, no GM would give at least a 3rd for DMC? Some team would definitely do that…cause it’s worth it.

  • mcfadden20.

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 am

    A person could make the argument that yes…last yr. WAS a mirage…we should have at least been 10-6 if not better.
    ————–

    12-4, shoulda beat Den,Det,Buff,SD, if the D shows up just a lil bit in those games we’re 12-4 and maybe a 1 or 2 seed in the PO’s and it wouldnt even be a question who the better coach is, and really its not in question ,only to those who cant see the big picture.

    You can’t go by if’s and butts , we could have been 4-12 too if you want to think like that

  • eastoaklandraider

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Same could be said for last year 6 of 8 wins came against teams worse than Raiders and 3 or 4 of them were pure luck
    —————

    See these are the asinine comments you make Mc20. How was it luck?


    You mentioned that we could have won like 3 or 4 more if we had better D, so i said we could have also lost 3 or 4 too , you can’t just look at what you want to look at
    ——————–

    No what you said was 3 or 4 games we won by luck and I said how was it luck but you dodged the question.

  • Los Raida Locos

    I don’t think it’s lack of trying , i mean could you say the team stopped trying in last 5 games last year? it’s just the competition we’re playing against

    ———————————-

    If it’s not a lack of trying, then it has to be they’ve mailed it in because the players aren’t buying into what DA is selling. Oh sure, they go out there and play, but the competetive drive to crush your opponent isn’t there. And the last 5 games last year? The D gave up on the DC, that part was evident. This year the entire team is struggling to keep up with the HC.

  • mcfadden20.

    Raider E Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:55 am

    I know we can agree that last year’s team was at least alot more fun to watch for a longer period of time, right, McFadden?


    Yeah offensively we were def fun to watch, defensively we were horrible , and have been going back to 03 season , in which we have regressed talent wise? right RAIDER E?

  • Raider E

    Again, based on what ? the team with the best record we beat last year was only 10-6 Houston, When we faced better teams we simply got crushed, NE and GB games come to mind? last 3 teams we faced are def lock to win at least 10 games

    ————————————–

    TB and NO will be hard-pressed to win 10 games.

  • Ghosttoothepost

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:05 am

    Reggie would win over a bunch of Raider fans if he could lure Sean Payton to Oakland like the great Al Davis once attempted to…
    ==========================================
    Sadly, you would think with Al gone, the HC job would be a lot more attractive.
    If you were an ESTABLISHED head coach in the NFL, and three head coaching jobs came available, why would any coach not view Oak as their last choice?
    A rookie owner who doesn’t just appear to be clueless, but is, just because his father refused to prepare him to take over.
    A rookie GM who has lost the faith of the Nation, and is quickly losing the faith of those that write about the team.
    A team who is near the bottom in far too many categories.
    Maybe a washed up, prior HC, looking for another shot, or someone like DA, a rookie looking for a shot.
    But a Peyton? Gruden? Just can’t see them being interested

  • mcfadden20.

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Same could be said for last year 6 of 8 wins came against teams worse than Raiders and 3 or 4 of them were pure luck
    —————

    See these are the asinine comments you make Mc20. How was it luck?


    You mentioned that we could have won like 3 or 4 more if we had better D, so i said we could have also lost 3 or 4 too , you can’t just look at what you want to look at
    ——————–

    No what you said was 3 or 4 games we won by luck and I said how was it luck but you dodged the question.

    I simply replied to your comment where you said we could have won 3-4 more games had some things fallen on our laps , so i said we could have also lost 3-4 more games , had the other team not committed blunders

  • eastoaklandraider

    12-4, shoulda beat Den,Det,Buff,SD, if the D shows up just a lil bit in those games we’re 12-4 and maybe a 1 or 2 seed in the PO’s and it wouldnt even be a question who the better coach is, and really its not in question ,only to those who cant see the big picture.

    You can’t go by if’s and butts , we could have been 4-12 too if you want to think like that
    ———–

    MY ifs make sense, yours not so much. when the D held up its end we won when they didnt we lost its that simple and in the DEN,DET,SD,BUFF the D didnt hold up. 12-4 simple.

  • Raider E

    Yeah offensively we were def fun to watch, defensively we were horrible , and have been going back to 03 season , in which we have regressed talent wise? right RAIDER E?
    ————————

    I would say talent wise we have regressed progressively for years now on D.

    We no longer have 11 angry men.

    We have 11 mis-tacking chumps….

  • mcfadden20.

    Raider E Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 am

    Again, based on what ? the team with the best record we beat last year was only 10-6 Houston, When we faced better teams we simply got crushed, NE and GB games come to mind? last 3 teams we faced are def lock to win at least 10 games

    ————————————–

    TB and NO will be hard-pressed to win 10 games.

    TB needs to only go 4-2 last 6 games

    NO is def better than their record , they lost their coach for whole season, Vilma just got back , they’re clicking on right cylinders and looking like last years team that won 13 games

  • Plunketthead

    Those coyotes are announcing the zombie apocoylpse is about to start when the alignment of the galaxies open up a portal that allows the ET who seeded planet earth to pay us a visit.

    It will either be ET or the same demons and fallen angels that the Bible says inhabited the Earth during Noahs time.

    I am betting its what the Bible says and if I am wrong I will eat a cactus. The day of President O’s inauguration is a scary date also

    Now back to Raider football.
    I have faith Reggie will either keep CP/DMAC and break the bank on free agents or blow it up and trade them for draft picks
    CP would get a second and then something like a fourth or third next year

    We would be lucky to get a third for the tired dawg resting, skinny calve having, no pain pill popping, ballerina ankle strong, pumpkinhead from Arkansas

  • DKnight007

    54.Los Raida Locos Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:57 am
    I don’t think it’s lack of trying , i mean could you say the team stopped trying in last 5 games last year? it’s just the competition we’re playing against

    ———————————-

    If it’s not a lack of trying, then it has to be they’ve mailed it in because the players aren’t buying into what DA is selling. Oh sure, they go out there and play, but the competetive drive to crush your opponent isn’t there. And the last 5 games last year? The D gave up on the DC, that part was evident. This year the entire team is struggling to keep up with the HC.

    ^^^^^^^
    3 different coaches in 3 years will do that to players. They grow tired of the constant change….another reason why Davis and McK screwed up by firing Hue was for continuitys sake and also Hue made the trade for CP3, they should have kept that pair together to see what they can do with a full season of training camp at least.

    Davis and McK jumped the gun by firing Hue and the team has regressed badly because of it.

    Big turn off for the fans who know football and were happy with the overall development of the team the last two years.

  • Ghosttoothepost

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    37.Ghosttoothepost Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
    DMAC is damaged goods.
    Can’t imagine any GM making a deal for DMAC.
    Not worth the risk.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Some GM would…if it’s the right deal. DMC is not damaged goods. He is still a playmaker.

    Your trying to tell me, no GM would give at least a 3rd for DMC? Some team would definitely do that…cause it’s worth it.
    =====================================
    Of course he’s damaged goods. He’s sitting, right? Again, he’s out with an injury. Again, he’s sitting on the bench, not helping the team, while collecting a huge paycheck each Monday.
    This has happened each and every year he has been in the NFL.

    If that’s not the definition of damaged, what is?

    DMAC would command a huge contract.
    History says he’ll collect it, while on the bench.
    No, not worth it at all.

  • Chris in NY

    “Allen will shed some light on what he plans to do with the vacancy on the 53-man roster …”

    My guess: leave it unfilled as long as possible and then bring someone uo from the practice squad only if they have to fill it. Save a few bucks for the company because team leadership has packed it in on this season and the Raiders are now run strictly as a moneymaking business and no longer as the life’s dream of a fanatical man.

    Congratulations, Raiders fans, on having a “real, professional, modern organization” just like the other 31. The losing and complete lack of passion may suk, but at least you’ll have the media conformists there to stroke you and reassure you that things are finally being done “the right way” in Raiderland.

  • DKnight007

    62.Plunketthead Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
    Those coyotes are announcing the zombie apocoylpse is about to start when the alignment of the galaxies open up a portal that allows the ET who seeded planet earth to pay us a visit.

    It will either be ET or the same demons and fallen angels that the Bible says inhabited the Earth during Noahs time.

    I am betting its what the Bible says and if I am wrong I will eat a cactus. The day of President O’s inauguration is a scary date also

    Now back to Raider football.
    I have faith Reggie will either keep CP/DMAC and break the bank on free agents or blow it up and trade them for draft picks
    CP would get a second and then something like a fourth or third next year

    We would be lucky to get a third for the tired dawg resting, skinny calve having, no pain pill popping, ballerina ankle strong, pumpkinhead from Arkansas

    ^^^^^^^^^
    DMC is still a player in this league. Not his fault the ZBS is terrible for his skills.

    A team like the Jets and Cowboys would trade a 2nd for him straight up probably.

    Nobody in this years draft is as dynamic as DMC in the 2nd round.

  • mcfadden20.

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    12-4, shoulda beat Den,Det,Buff,SD, if the D shows up just a lil bit in those games we’re 12-4 and maybe a 1 or 2 seed in the PO’s and it wouldnt even be a question who the better coach is, and really its not in question ,only to those who cant see the big picture.

    You can’t go by if’s and butts , we could have been 4-12 too if you want to think like that
    ———–

    MY ifs make sense, yours not so much. when the D held up its end we won when they didnt we lost its that simple and in the DEN,DET,SD,BUFF the D didnt hold up. 12-4 simple.

    But that’s what I been saying since 3 weeks, we’re not good enough on D to win games against top teams, we’re aren’t elite on O offense, to go toe to toe with other good teams

  • Los Raida Locos

    This is corks response on the chat Tues.

    Am told that Reggie will speak with the media next week. Looks pretty stoic when we see him on the practice field each day.

    —————————————–

    If Reg wants to be a good GM, he needs to lift his head up and refuse to go down, no white flag of surrender. Reg needs to be the fearless leader Al was, despite the consequences. Reg needs to do like all great men do, rise up and prevail. Do not go melancholy (sp? bfd) and feel sorry for you self. Start firing the culprit coaches and bring back Hue. Show the NFL you’ve got balls. Make some noise Reggie.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am

    Same could be said for last year 6 of 8 wins came against teams worse than Raiders and 3 or 4 of them were pure luck
    —————

    See these are the asinine comments you make Mc20. How was it luck?


    You mentioned that we could have won like 3 or 4 more if we had better D, so i said we could have also lost 3 or 4 too , you can’t just look at what you want to look at
    ——————–

    No what you said was 3 or 4 games we won by luck and I said how was it luck but you dodged the question.

    I simply replied to your comment where you said we could have won 3-4 more games had some things fallen on our laps , so i said we could have also lost 3-4 more games , had the other team not committed blunders
    ————–

    See this why I call you a dumbass its in black in white what you said above let me repost it for you
    6 of 8 wins came against teams worse than Raiders and 3 or 4 of them were pure luck

    now stop dodging the question and answer how was it luck?

  • mcfadden20.

    Raider E Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Yeah offensively we were def fun to watch, defensively we were horrible , and have been going back to 03 season , in which we have regressed talent wise? right RAIDER E?
    ————————

    I would say talent wise we have regressed progressively for years now on D.

    We no longer have 11 angry men.

    We have 11 mis-tacking chumps….


    Yes thank you and now if EastoaklandRaider would understand that, and figure it out that we wouldn’t have won against top teams with this D, even if Hue was still here , then maybe we can all move on from HUE talk for once and all

  • DKnight007

    64.Ghosttoothepost Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    DKnight007 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    37.Ghosttoothepost Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
    DMAC is damaged goods.
    Can’t imagine any GM making a deal for DMAC.
    Not worth the risk.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Some GM would…if it’s the right deal. DMC is not damaged goods. He is still a playmaker.

    Your trying to tell me, no GM would give at least a 3rd for DMC? Some team would definitely do that…cause it’s worth it.
    =====================================
    Of course he’s damaged goods. He’s sitting, right? Again, he’s out with an injury. Again, he’s sitting on the bench, not helping the team, while collecting a huge paycheck each Monday.
    This has happened each and every year he has been in the NFL.

    If that’s not the definition of damaged, what is?

    DMAC would command a huge contract.
    History says he’ll collect it, while on the bench.
    No, not worth it at all.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Damaged goods is a player who has a more permanent long lingering injury.

    I think you value unknown 2nd and 3rd round picks in this years draft way too much.

  • Raider E

    TB still has ATL twice, Den, NO, Philly, and STL. No gimmies there.

    NO still has SF, NYG, ATL, TB, DAL, and, CAR.

    Don’t think either is winning 10, Mcfadden.

  • Chris in NY

    The decision to fire Hue, to me, is the worst decision made in at least the last 20 or so years of Raiders football. Worse than drafting JaMarcus, worse than Art Shell Part II and the B&B offense, worse than the Javon Walker/Deangelo Hall contracts, worse than everything.

  • DKnight007

    70.mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    Raider E Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    Yeah offensively we were def fun to watch, defensively we were horrible , and have been going back to 03 season , in which we have regressed talent wise? right RAIDER E?
    ————————

    I would say talent wise we have regressed progressively for years now on D.

    We no longer have 11 angry men.

    We have 11 mis-tacking chumps….


    Yes thank you and now if EastoaklandRaider would understand that, and figure it out that we wouldn’t have won against top teams with this D, even if Hue was still here , then maybe we can all move on from HUE talk for once and all

    ^^^^^^^^
    Nope. Hue talk is way more fun, than talking about this current crappy Raider team with no identity.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    12-4, shoulda beat Den,Det,Buff,SD, if the D shows up just a lil bit in those games we’re 12-4 and maybe a 1 or 2 seed in the PO’s and it wouldnt even be a question who the better coach is, and really its not in question ,only to those who cant see the big picture.

    You can’t go by if’s and butts , we could have been 4-12 too if you want to think like that
    ———–

    MY ifs make sense, yours not so much. when the D held up its end we won when they didnt we lost its that simple and in the DEN,DET,SD,BUFF the D didnt hold up. 12-4 simple.

    But that’s what I been saying since 3 weeks, we’re not good enough on D to win games against top teams, we’re aren’t elite on O offense, to go toe to toe with other good teams
    ———————

    Last years O was good enough and getting ready to get DMC back, and if we would have had this years D last year we would have made the playoffs, this years O sucks and the D sucks but it is slightly better than last year.

  • DKnight007

    71.DKnight007 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
    64.Ghosttoothepost Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    DKnight007 Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:56 am

    37.Ghosttoothepost Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
    DMAC is damaged goods.
    Can’t imagine any GM making a deal for DMAC.
    Not worth the risk.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Some GM would…if it’s the right deal. DMC is not damaged goods. He is still a playmaker.

    Your trying to tell me, no GM would give at least a 3rd for DMC? Some team would definitely do that…cause it’s worth it.
    =====================================
    Of course he’s damaged goods. He’s sitting, right? Again, he’s out with an injury. Again, he’s sitting on the bench, not helping the team, while collecting a huge paycheck each Monday.
    This has happened each and every year he has been in the NFL.

    If that’s not the definition of damaged, what is?

    DMAC would command a huge contract.
    History says he’ll collect it, while on the bench.
    No, not worth it at all.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Damaged goods is a player who has a more permanent long lingering injury.

    I think you value unknown 2nd and 3rd round picks in this years draft way too much. When it comes to all the teams in the NFL.

    McK should talk to Green Bay, Jets and Dallas about trading them DMC for a pick or two.

  • DKnight007

    75.eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm

    12-4, shoulda beat Den,Det,Buff,SD, if the D shows up just a lil bit in those games we’re 12-4 and maybe a 1 or 2 seed in the PO’s and it wouldnt even be a question who the better coach is, and really its not in question ,only to those who cant see the big picture.

    You can’t go by if’s and butts , we could have been 4-12 too if you want to think like that
    ———–

    MY ifs make sense, yours not so much. when the D held up its end we won when they didnt we lost its that simple and in the DEN,DET,SD,BUFF the D didnt hold up. 12-4 simple.

    But that’s what I been saying since 3 weeks, we’re not good enough on D to win games against top teams, we’re aren’t elite on O offense, to go toe to toe with other good teams
    ———————

    Last years O was good enough and getting ready to get DMC back, and if we would have had this years D last year we would have made the playoffs, this years O sucks and the D sucks but it is slightly better than last year.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Oh and the special teams is terrible this year also.

  • mcfadden20.

    See this why I call you a dumbass its in black in white what you said above let me repost it for you
    6 of 8 wins came against teams worse than Raiders and 3 or 4 of them were pure luck

    now stop dodging the question and answer how was it luck?

    YEah ofcourse, we were that close to losing 4 more games, DEN game where orton was leading a nice drive, he fumbles the ball trying to throw with no one even near him , Houston game , Schaub is at the 5 yard line all he needed was 1 pass completion to win, Chicago game , we barely beat Cutlers backup who was as good as our back up last year, KC game barely beat them Seymour got his fingers on KC game winning FG try,

  • mcfadden20.

    Raider E Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm

    TB still has ATL twice, Den, NO, Philly, and STL. No gimmies there.

    NO still has SF, NYG, ATL, TB, DAL, and, CAR.

    Don’t think either is winning 10, Mcfadden.

    NO might not win 10 but the point is they are finally rolling at the right time and looking like the same team that won 13 games last year

  • mcfadden20.

    How is this years D really better?

  • Los Raida Locos

    we wouldn’t have won against top teams with this D, even if Hue was still here , then maybe we can all move on from HUE talk for once and all
    ———————————————

    Hue woulda procured a bona-fide DC, so I believe we woulda won, and pretty tough to move on from Hue since he was unjustly let go and his ‘replacements’ suck ass balls.

  • eastoaklandraider

    Chris In NY Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
    The decision to fire Hue, to me, is the worst decision made in at least the last 20 or so years of Raiders football. Worse than drafting JaMarcus, worse than Art Shell Part II and the B&B offense, worse than the Javon Walker/Deangelo Hall contracts, worse than everything.
    ————–

    Low football IQ fans will never see this all they see is 1-4 down the stretch, penalties, and pressers.

  • eastoaklandraider

    YEah ofcourse, we were that close to losing 4 more games, DEN game where orton was leading a nice drive, he fumbles the ball trying to throw with no one even near him , Houston game , Schaub is at the 5 yard line all he needed was 1 pass completion to win, Chicago game , we barely beat Cutlers backup who was as good as our back up last year, KC game barely beat them Seymour got his fingers on KC game winning FG try,
    ——————-

    None of that is luck, the D forced those errors and we blocked a fg thats not luck, its called making a play.

  • mcfadden20.

    Hope you guys understand we only averaged 22 PPG last year and maybe that may topped to 25 PPG this year but our D has regressed talent wise,and is the worst D in the league , if you guys look at all the top passing Os we faced last year we pretty much lost against them, and we have already faced more better Passing teams this year than all of last year combined, until we fix this D which has nothing to with scheme , it lacks talent to stop passing teams , no pass rush and no secondary

  • mcfadden20.

    Los Raida Locos Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    we wouldn’t have won against top teams with this D, even if Hue was still here , then maybe we can all move on from HUE talk for once and all
    ———————————————

    Hue woulda procured a bona-fide DC, so I believe we woulda won, and pretty tough to move on from Hue since he was unjustly let go and his ‘replacements’ suck ass balls.

    Really a bona-fide DC? like who the eff was available ? Dick Lebeau? Monte Kiffin?

  • eastoaklandraider

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    How is this years D really better?
    ————-

    The run D has been better for the most part, and if Hue was here we’d be scoring more and sustaining more drives keeping the D off the field.

  • mcfadden20.

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm

    YEah ofcourse, we were that close to losing 4 more games, DEN game where orton was leading a nice drive, he fumbles the ball trying to throw with no one even near him , Houston game , Schaub is at the 5 yard line all he needed was 1 pass completion to win, Chicago game , we barely beat Cutlers backup who was as good as our back up last year, KC game barely beat them Seymour got his fingers on KC game winning FG try,
    ——————-

    None of that is luck, the D forced those errors and we blocked a fg thats not luck, its called making a play.


    Well the same holds true for where you said our D could have made better plays, the O just found ways to beat em , they lacked talent last year and they got even worse this year

  • eastoaklandraider

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    Los Raida Locos Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    we wouldn’t have won against top teams with this D, even if Hue was still here , then maybe we can all move on from HUE talk for once and all
    ———————————————

    Hue woulda procured a bona-fide DC, so I believe we woulda won, and pretty tough to move on from Hue since he was unjustly let go and his ‘replacements’ suck ass balls.

    Really a bona-fide DC? like who the eff was available ? Dick Lebeau? Monte Kiffin?
    ————-

    Jack Del Rio who has bay area roots.

  • Los Raida Locos

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    Hope you guys understand we only averaged 22 PPG last year and maybe that may topped to 25 PPG this year but our D has regressed talent wise,and is the worst D in the league , if you guys look at all the top passing Os we faced last year we pretty much lost against them, and we have already faced more better Passing teams this year than all of last year combined, until we fix this D which has nothing to with scheme , it lacks talent to stop passing teams , no pass rush and no secondary

    ————————–

    Hope they also understand if we pass the av. pts per game, it has nothing to do with knapp. Most of those are garbage time points due to a horrid defensive unit we have. But our D hears what knapp has to say, so I think they are infected to some degree like the offense has been. These o and d teams aren’t isoloated from each other. Bad schemes can cross over and infect the players.

  • 504 Raider

    What up Nation!!!

    Raiders are running the table to finish 9-7.

    Three games will be huge but I like the psychology involved in each contest:

    1. Cincy: Palmer returns motivated to do everything possible to win. Reggie, D.A. will also be motivated to validate dumping Hue/being a better HC than Hue.

    2. Denver: This game at home and hopefully we get off to a good start in 1st quarter.

    3. Team has one last chance to end season with an East Coast win.

  • mcfadden20.

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
    How is this years D really better?
    ————-

    The run D has been better for the most part, and if Hue was here we’d be scoring more and sustaining more drives keeping the D off the field.

    We’re already sustaining drives we’re 21st in time of possession yet ranks 32nd in D

  • 504 Raider

    Where’s Fangs?

    I’m surprised to not read one “Baboon Friday” joke yet. He must be out there in line somewhere. Hopefully getting a great deal on an attitude adjustment.

  • DKnight007

    81.Los Raida Locos Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
    we wouldn’t have won against top teams with this D, even if Hue was still here , then maybe we can all move on from HUE talk for once and all
    ———————————————

    Hue woulda procured a bona-fide DC, so I believe we woulda won, and pretty tough to move on from Hue since he was unjustly let go and his ‘replacements’ suck ass balls.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Exactly and bringing back Knapp is proof positive of that all by itself!

    Ugh

  • mcfadden20.

    eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
    Los Raida Locos Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm

    we wouldn’t have won against top teams with this D, even if Hue was still here , then maybe we can all move on from HUE talk for once and all
    ———————————————

    Hue woulda procured a bona-fide DC, so I believe we woulda won, and pretty tough to move on from Hue since he was unjustly let go and his ‘replacements’ suck ass balls.

    Really a bona-fide DC? like who the eff was available ? Dick Lebeau? Monte Kiffin?
    ————-

    Jack Del Rio who has bay area roots.

    – ANd work with Who in here? WHere’s V Miller and Elvin DUmerville to rush the passer from both sides, where’s Champ Bailey on this team

  • Just Fire Baby

    “I just kind of opened the can, and now they’re taking it to a whole other level. So they’re doing a good job with him.”

    ***************************

    Even Hue Jackson HIMSELF states that Knapp is doing a better job of utilizing Reece than he did.

    Won’t be long before Reece has more yards from scrimmage this season, then his two years under Hue COMBINED.

  • mcfadden20.

    Los Raida Locos Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    Hope you guys understand we only averaged 22 PPG last year and maybe that may topped to 25 PPG this year but our D has regressed talent wise,and is the worst D in the league , if you guys look at all the top passing Os we faced last year we pretty much lost against them, and we have already faced more better Passing teams this year than all of last year combined, until we fix this D which has nothing to with scheme , it lacks talent to stop passing teams , no pass rush and no secondary

    ————————–

    Hope they also understand if we pass the av. pts per game, it has nothing to do with knapp. Most of those are garbage time points due to a horrid defensive unit we have. But our D hears what knapp has to say, so I think they are infected to some degree like the offense has been. These o and d teams aren’t isoloated from each other. Bad schemes can cross over and infect the players.

    I’m talking about if Hue was still here , we may have averaged 25 this year, but our D is allowing 33 so it wouldn’t have mattered

  • DKnight007

    89.Los Raida Locos Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    Hope you guys understand we only averaged 22 PPG last year and maybe that may topped to 25 PPG this year but our D has regressed talent wise,and is the worst D in the league , if you guys look at all the top passing Os we faced last year we pretty much lost against them, and we have already faced more better Passing teams this year than all of last year combined, until we fix this D which has nothing to with scheme , it lacks talent to stop passing teams , no pass rush and no secondary

    ————————–

    Hope they also understand if we pass the av. pts per game, it has nothing to do with knapp. Most of those are garbage time points due to a horrid defensive unit we have. But our D hears what knapp has to say, so I think they are infected to some degree like the offense has been. These o and d teams aren’t isoloated from each other. Bad schemes can cross over and infect the players.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Yep. Garbage time O stats and yes bad schemes, lousy game management, lack of adjustments, bad play calling all cross over to the players and their mentality.

  • DJ Johnny

    83.eastoaklandraider Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
    YEah ofcourse, we were that close to losing 4 more games, DEN game where orton was leading a nice drive, he fumbles the ball trying to throw with no one even near him , Houston game , Schaub is at the 5 yard line all he needed was 1 pass completion to win, Chicago game , we barely beat Cutlers backup who was as good as our back up last year, KC game barely beat them Seymour got his fingers on KC game winning FG try,
    ——————-

    None of that is luck, the D forced those errors and we blocked a fg thats not luck, its called making a play.

    Do you realize how many “close” games the ’76 Raiders won?

    If not for a 17 pt. comeback in the last 3 mins. they lose wk 1 to Pitt.

    They “barely” beat a bad GB team at home 13-9, if not for a last second fg doinking off the upright they lose at Chi., they only beat KC by 4 pt’s BOTH times i think.

    My point is we can talk “if” this or “if” that all day long, but those “if’s” work both ways.

    “If” our defense can make one damn stop against Buffalo we win. “If” McClain doesn’t drop a sure int on the last drive we still win, “if” Branch doesn’t let a 4th quarter td go right thru his hands we win that game. “If” we hold Detroit at their 1 yd. line we win. “If” we didn’t have McClain covering Megatron we win that game.

    I’d say Buffalo and Detroit were the ones who got “lucky”.

    Now were discounting Houston game too cuz we made a play at the end? And KC cuz we blocked a fg?

    “If” we hold SD at their 1/2 yd. line and don’t allow Mike Freaking Tolbert to run for a 42 yd gain we win that game.

    “If’s” work both ways and they worked more against us last yr.

  • DKnight007

    95.Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 23rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
    “I just kind of opened the can, and now they’re taking it to a whole other level. So they’re doing a good job with him.”

    ***************************

    Even Hue Jackson HIMSELF states that Knapp is doing a better job of utilizing Reece than he did.

    Won’t be long before Reece has more yards from scrimmage this season, then his two years under Hue COMBINED.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Hue being nice. Only reason Reece has been utilized is due to DMC injury. Reece should have been utilized more with DMC in there.

  • mcfadden20.

    We’re only averaging 20 seconds less in time of possession from last year