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McFadden, Goodson and Seymour not playing Sunday

By Steve Corkran
Friday, November 23rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders will be without Nos. 1 and 2 running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson and defensive tackle Richard Seymour for the third straight game.
All three missed practice Friday before being declared out for Sunday’s game against the Cincinnati Bengals game by coach Dennis Allen.
“They made progress this week,” Allen said, “but they’re not ready to go yet.”
That means regular fullback Marcel Reece will start at running back for the third straight game, with second-year player Taiwan Jones and rookie Jeremy Stewart the backups once again.
Reece is fresh from a game in which he amassed 193 yards rushing and receiving. He said he’s just trying to hold down the fort until the other backs return.
“We have so many playmakers on this team that no one’s that guy,” Reece said. “Darren McFadden’s the bell cow for this team and will be the bell cow for this team. Right now we’re kind of playing running back by committee. When it really comes down to it, you’re just trying to make plays the way you’re supposed to make plays.”
On a positive note, Goodson said he finally is out of the protective boot that he spent more than two weeks in while recovering from a high-ankle sprain. He and McFadden got hurt against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Nov. 4.
Goodson said he is disappointed that he missed out on the opportunity to be the lead back.
“You see McFadden go down, and I was the next guy in line,” Goodson said. “You kind of want to get out there and show everybody what you can do, and then I go down with an ankle. The exact same injury (as McFadden), the exact same game.”
Goodson said he is making progress, though he doesn’t have a timeframe for his return.
Desmond Bryant will start in place of Seymour.

– Niners linebacker Aldon Smith recorded 5 ½ sacks Monday night against the Chicago Bears. That total is half what the Raiders have through 10 games and almost twice that of Seymour’s team-high three.
Allen said part of the paltry sack total owes to the Raiders lacking a speed-rusher like Smith. The other factor is the inconsistency of the linebackers and defensive backs in pass coverage.
“We’ve got to do a better job of winning our one-on-ones, whether that be in coverage or whether that be in the rush,” Allen said. “Those things work together. It really comes down to individual battles, and we’ve got to win more individual battles.”
Defensive lineman Dave Tollefson said the sacks will come as long as he and his defensive mates keep working hard and play within the context of the scheme.
“I played on (New York Giants) teams that got a load of sacks, and it was a group effort,” Tollefson said. “You got to keep pounding that rock. You got to just keep working, keep working and that wall will break down.”

– Like most teams, the Raiders goal is to feature a balanced offensive attack. Injuries and situations in games oftentimes dictate otherwise.
Given that, the Raiders are the most lopsided offense through 10 games, with 66.1 percent of their plays being passes.
By comparison, the Texans and 49ers are the most-balanced teams in the league, right about 50 percent pass and 50 percent pass.
Allen said it’s “extremely important” for the Raiders to have a balanced offensive attack.
“When you throw the football that many times, eventually bad things happen,” Allen said. “We have to have balance, we have to be able to run the football, we have to make teams play us honestly.”
However, being balanced doesn’t always equate to success. The Redskins (4-6) and Chiefs (1-9) are the third- and fourth-most-balanced teams, yet they are long-shots to make the playoffs..

– Bengals fans hoping to get a look at Carson Palmer, the quarterback that guided their team from 2004-10, won’t be able to do so if they live in the Cincinnati area. The game is blacked out locally.
Palmer was the Bengals first-round pick in 2003 (No. 1 overall). He spent his rookie season learning under Jon Kitna and didn’t play. He assumed the starting spot in 2004 and held on to that job for seven seasons.
The Raiders traded a 2012 first-round pick and a ’13 second-rounder to get Palmer from the Bengals last season. Sunday marks Palmer’s first game against his former team, in the stadium that he called home for so long.

– Strong safety Tyvon Branch (neck) said he’s “ready to roll” after missing last Sunday’s game. That snapped a streak of 57 straight starts for Branch.
Jones (ankle) and rookie defensive end Jack Crawford (toe) are questionable.

– Bengals wide receiver A.J. Green has at least one touchdown in the past nine games. Overall, he has 64 receptions for 911 yards and 10 touchdowns in 10 games.
It’s not difficult to make a strong case for Green being the most-dangerous receiver the Raiders have faced all season.
“A.J. Green is having a great year,” strong safety Tyvon Branch said. “So we got to stop the ball from going on top. Keep everything in front of us and tackle.”
Cornerback Michael Huff will cover Green whenever he is lined up on the right side. Allen said the Raiders won’t use Huff or Ron Bartell to shadow Green.
Huff calls Green “an animal” and a better overall receiver than the Falcons Julio Jones, who Huff covered earlier this season.
“He makes more plays, probably plays the deep ball better,” Huff said. “You can throw it up to him, he just goes up and gets it, just makes plays. He’s better than Julio, to me. Not as fast as Julio as far as long speed, but he can still run.”

– Rookie offensive lineman Tony Bergstrom will see some more playing time Sunday, Allen said. Just don’t plan on Bergstrom catching a pass anytime soon, even though he oftentimes has been used as an extra offensive lineman.
When that happens, the referee is compelled to announce that “No. 70 has reported as an eligible receiver.”
“Don’t read too much into that,” said Bergstrom, who last caught a pass in high school. “I know I’m eligible, but that’s like saying a really ugly guy is an eligible bachelor. It doesn’t mean a whole lot.”

– Wide receiver Denarius Moore said he shares the blame for not being on the same page as Palmer in recent games, even though Palmer tries to take the lion’s share of the blame.
“We sat down and talked about what we need to do and what we need to get better on,” Moore said. “All the blame is not on him. Lately there’s been times where I was wide open dropped a couple of passes and times where I didn’t get off a release, or my timing was off a little bit.
“All the (blame) is not on him. It’s just watching film, seeing what the DB is going to do, what coverages we might get and what releases might work for us.”
Palmer completed only one of seven throws to Moore against the Saints. Against the Buccaneers a late pass from Palmer was intercepted, with Moore breaking toward the middle of the field, away from the ball.

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  • mcfadden20.

    No point in discussing about Palmer with haters , they are all set with their views about him

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
    SJSURaider (19yr19fan) Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
    So you’re saying on a team with as many problems as we have it would be smart to rebuild around a 33 yr old qb on the downside of his career making $15 mil a year

    Palmer is a two time pro bowler and has had a couple of great seasons and this yr. his passer rating is above his career average.

    At 32 (he turns 33 in December) he is the same age as Romo and Eli. Are those guys on the downside of their career? He is 3 yr’s younger than Peyton and almost 3 yr’s younger than Brady. Are those huys “done”?

    His 11 int’s do not even rank him anywhere near the top like some like to assert, but his passing yardage does.

    Do we have all pro receivers? He has had THIRTEEN td passes DROPPED this yr.

    It’s a fair question in a rebuild scenario whether you want a guy at 32/33 to build long term.

    Let’s just consider all the facts before jumping to get rid of him.”

    Nice post!!

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:49 pm

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:40 pm

    I’m not drunk but do any of you think that Palmer would have won a ring or maybe 2 if he had been the QB of the Ravens?
    =========================================

    Carson Palmer is really a miraculous player. There is no questioning EVER than he was deserved of the overall number one status. The issue with Palmer is he has been on the TWO WORST orgs in football if not all of sports. That’s been his problem.

    Probably the most telling fact to consider.

    Who can argue that point?

    Yes, Palmer has made some un-timely int’s. I don’t like it either, but he’s also constantly in a position where he has to be PERFECT or else we lose.
    ================================================

    Thank you! What you guys are seeing but most are not comprehending is Palmer is one of a handful of guys in this league that can put a team on his back and carry that team. THAT’S what has been happening this season. Peyton, Brady, Eli, Rogers, Ryan, and Palmer are basically the only guys that can do that. And we are seeing it.

  • Plunketthead

    GG
    You better tell that to Friar drinksalot

    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
    One thing I notice about Manuel he needs to speed up hs procession he comes off the primary to slow.

  • Priesttj12

    We are also hig in 3 and outs and 3rd down conversion. And that is NOT all on the players around him he has been responsible for a lot of that. I never bring it up because he has to carry the bulk of the O but to absolve Palmer completely is asinine.

    Early in the season he had wide open rec’s for TD’s and flat missed them. Once DMC had an easy TD but he threw it too late. And has missed others in teh endzone if you go back game by game and play by play expecially late in games at times Palmer is frustrating to watch.

  • DJ Johnny

    I think saying we have been one of the worst org’s in all of sports is a little extreme, but suffice to say it has not been a good situation for ANY qb to be in.

    You guys still seem to ignore our horrific defense.

    The presence of a Peyton Manning would make the defense better? I suppose keeping them off the field more is the idea? Maybe. It’s a fair assertion, but i think you guys are downplaying just how horrible our defense is right now.

  • Priesttj12

    Again no one is perfect, I would take Palmer over 70% of the QB’s in this league but to excuse him of any and all responsibility is freakin crazy!

    He himself would admit to that privately……

  • Plunketthead

    Draft max wittick? dude is bad

  • Plunketthead

    The next coach at USC has a hell of a qb

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
    Anthony Barr, UCLA.

    I am going to throw it out there, but he will be a better pro than Jarvis Jones.

    Bigger and faster.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Barr is tall and skinny. He needs to add a lot of weight.

  • lefty12

    While it is true there were 2 games this year that Palmers ints cost us a chance to win them,it can also be said if it wasn’t for him we wouldn’t have even been in those games without him.Can you honestly say we might have been close,let alone win those games if Boller,JC,the great Gradkowski,or one of the other bums we’ve had the last 5-10 years was the QB?

  • SJSURaider (19yr19fan)

    Peyton played with the worst defense in the league for most of his years in Indy and a horrible running game. He went to the Super Bowl with Jim Caldwell as his head coach and his Oc doesn’t really matter because he eventually became basically his own OC. He made anybody catching the ball look great and he made his receivers better players. He made Blair White look like a pro bowler and his oline sucked but he was so good they didn’t give up that many sacks. Pierre Garçon wouldn’t be what he is right now if it wasn’t for Peyton and his defense ranks so high because he puts his team in such a big lead that other offenses have to become one dimensional and throw to try and catch up and the defense knows what’s coming and they don’t have to worry about the run. Denver’s defense isn’t actually that good they gave up like 28 points to SD in the first half and they were getting blown out by the falcons until Peyton started to lead a comeback. They give up points to good teams that’s why they lost to the pats and texans but Peyton is so good it usually doesn’t matter

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Again no one is perfect, I would take Palmer over 70% of the QB’s in this league but to excuse him of any and all responsibility is freakin crazy!

    He himself would admit to that privately……
    =================================

    I think that is a very fair assessment.

  • lefty12

    *can anyone…….

  • Priesttj12

    Stanford is the most underrated team in the BCS I would love to see them get another crack at ND with this QB they have now……probably wont happen but I’m telling ya’ Stanford is no joke that defense they have is very underrated.

  • SJSURaider (19yr19fan)

    If Palmer put the team on his back we would have more than three wins

  • lefty12

    He himself would admit to that privately……
    =========================
    Actually he has admitted that publicly.

  • Plunketthead

    There was a monte kiffin sighting at the stadium but nobody has seen his defense

  • Priesttj12

    lefty12 Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
    While it is true there were 2 games this year that Palmers ints cost us a chance to win them,it can also be said if it wasn’t for him we wouldn’t have even been in those games without him.Can you honestly say we might have been close,let alone win those games if Boller,JC,the great Gradkowski,or one of the other bums we’ve had the last 5-10 years was the QB?
    *****************************************
    Lefty12, True but we didn’t give up a 1st and 2nd for those guys so if you’re saying we’d have the same outcome I’d prefer to keep those picks.

  • mcfadden20.

    So just because we gave up 1st and 2nd for Palmer and he hasn’t led this horrible team to playoffs so we should just get rid of him?>

  • SJSURaider (19yr19fan)

    It’s gonna be an awkward Christmas in the kiffin family.
    Hey dad it’s not working out I’m going to have to let you go.

  • SJSURaider (19yr19fan)

    The point of trading for Palmer was to get to the playoffs and its not working out so the trade was a failure. We need to rebuild and keeping Palmer isn’t going to do anything to help us in the next few years

  • lefty12

    While the final results may have been the same,we wouldn’t have even been competitive without him.I enjoyed both of those games because they were good competitive football games won by the better team.That is what it is all about.I won’t argue about the trade because everyone has their own opinion,but being in competitive games-win or lose-is better than games like the last 3 weeks which can’t be blamed on our QB.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “Peyton played with the worst defense in the league for most of his years in Indy and a horrible running game. He went to the Super Bowl with Jim Caldwell as his head coach and his Oc doesn’t really matter because he eventually became basically his own OC. He made anybody catching the ball look great and he made his receivers better players.”

    ..OK yes that’s all true and I enjoy and respect Manning much as the next NFL fan BUT PEYTON MANNING’S are not growing on trees!

    There has only been one in my lifetime…..not sure what your getting at here but if QB’s like Manning grew on trees you would have a legitimate complaint but they don’t so you should be happy to have a QB like Palmer

  • Turnstile Troubadour.

    where am i?

  • J Hill

    We certainly would have been in the ATL game. The defense was controlling that game.

    And we didn’t trade 2 high first rd picks for Glo or Gardowski.

    Why is such an issue for some guys to simply move Pryor to #2?

    Play Pryor IF we are getting blown out???

  • Plunketthead

    Plunkdiction time

    Lana will join his dad in the unenjoyment line and Max Whittik will be a #1 pick when he comes out

  • MiamiRaider78

    Wittek looks good.

  • J Hill

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Again no one is perfect, I would take Palmer over 70% of the QB’s in this league but to excuse him of any and all responsibility is freakin crazy!

    He himself would admit to that privately……
    =================================

    I think that is a very fair assessment.

    ————————————————————

    My goodness, that is all most of us have been saying ALL THIS TIME.

    That and to he!! with Matt Lienart as a #2 QB!

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Reggie would trade Palmer for a 1 and 2 in a heartbeat.
    ==============================

    Stick to talking about shoes and dresses. Its what you know best.
    —–
    Another lame joke from Seymour Bush. You need to take this show on the rode. Maybe you could open for Beeech.

  • SJSURaider (19yr19fan)

    Silverandblack666 I know and i said that earlier but somebody was saying we would win the same amount of games with Peyton and he wouldn’t fix any of the problems on this team and I was just explaining why he would put this team in the playoffs

  • lefty12

    I haven’t read 1 comment regarding Pryor this evening,so what the he!! are you talking about.But it isn’t the people on here that have an issue with making him #2,it seems to be the coaches.He has been on the team for almost 2 years now and is still #3 and as far as we know nobody on here has the power to make him #2.So why are you trying to make that an issue.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Reggie would trade Palmer for a 1 and 2 in a heartbeat.
    ==============================

    Stick to talking about shoes and dresses. Its what you know best.
    —–
    Another lame joke from Seymour Bush.
    =======================================

    Why would you possibly think that was a joke?

  • Priesttj12

    Hill Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Again no one is perfect, I would take Palmer over 70% of the QB’s in this league but to excuse him of any and all responsibility is freakin crazy!

    He himself would admit to that privately……
    =================================

    I think that is a very fair assessment.

    ————————————————————

    My goodness, that is all most of us have been saying ALL THIS TIME.

    That and to he!! with Matt Lienart as a #2 QB!
    ******************************************
    Jhill I would’ve said it a long time ago if it would saved all this crap………..lol

  • DJ Johnny

    1376,

    I agree with that idea JHill.

    If we are already eliminated in a week or two, I would be curious to see what Pryor can do in a real game.

  • Turnstile Troubadour.

    Notre Dame / USC = good game

    UCLA / Stanford = good game

    Bengal / Raiders = good game

    Get yo game on!

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 5:00 pm

    Reggie would trade Palmer for a 1 and 2 in a heartbeat.
    ==============================

    Stick to talking about shoes and dresses. Its what you know best.
    —–
    Another lame joke from Seymour Bush.
    =======================================

    Why would you possibly think that was a joke?
    ——
    Ok, even your insults are lame.

  • http://raiders.com Seymour Bush

    J Hill Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:24 pm

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:01 pm

    Again no one is perfect, I would take Palmer over 70% of the QB’s in this league but to excuse him of any and all responsibility is freakin crazy!

    He himself would admit to that privately……
    =================================

    I think that is a very fair assessment.

    ————————————————————

    My goodness, that is all most of us have been saying ALL THIS TIME.
    =================================

    I appreciate the clarification. Now JHill you may have not been the one saying this, but what I have been reading for weeks is: “our coaching staff was not broken, why did we get rid of Hue?” and “Our offense was not broken, why did we change?” and now “Our Q is our best player on offense bench him.” Just did not make sense to me.

  • SJSURaider (19yr19fan)

    Honestly the biggest problem on this team is that we have an incompetent coaching staff that doesn’t know how to put players in a position to succeed. And honestly the Palmer debate doesn’t even matter because he’s going to be back next year anyway

  • Turnstile Troubadour.

    SJSURaider (19yr19fan) Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
    Honestly the biggest problem on this team is that we have an incompetent coaching staff that doesn’t know how to put players in a position to succeed. And honestly the Palmer debate doesn’t even matter because he’s going to be back next year anyway

    ♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪

    Right On! Our coaches = wanna bes’. Willie Shaw II for HC. Start the campaign now. Loud enough so Reg/Mark can hear it. DA too!

  • MiamiRaider78

    I think the ABP/Bush exchanges are funny. =D

  • Turnstile Troubadour.

    Priesttj12 Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
    Again no one is perfect, I would take Palmer over 70% of the QB’s in this league but to excuse him of any and all responsibility is freakin crazy!

    He himself would admit to that privately……

    ♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪

    He himself has admitted to that publicly too……

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Thank you! What you guys are seeing but most are not comprehending is Palmer is one of a handful of guys in this league that can put a team on his back and carry that team. THAT’S what has been happening this season. Peyton, Brady, Eli, Rogers, Ryan, and Palmer are basically the only guys that can do that. And we are seeing it.
    ————————
    Then why are we 3-7?

  • J Hill

    LOL at the Kiffin ice the FG play STILL not working.

  • raidertalk

    I don’t know if anyone said this before but No way we beat pittsburg with Jason Cambell, we might have even lost to the Jagwires.
    Nice Guy-Better than Jamarcus, but no “game-winner”, just a good “game-manager” (when he’s not throwing to the elusive Vince Wilfork, or wowing with his sliding ability)

  • Turnstile Troubadour.

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
    So just because we gave up 1st and 2nd for Palmer and he hasn’t led this horrible team to playoffs so we should just get rid of him?>

    ♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪

    No.

  • MiamiRaider78

    We are 3-7 because we have no running game and our defense is horrendous and so is our special teams. Simple as that.

  • J Hill

    I didn’t say any of your first 2 statements.

    But I am for putting Palmer on the shelf, so to speak. If we are getting blown out, I see no need to keep trotting him out there to take a beating.

    Save Palmer for next year instead of risking injury.

  • Turnstile Troubadour.

    KoolKell Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
    Thank you! What you guys are seeing but most are not comprehending is Palmer is one of a handful of guys in this league that can put a team on his back and carry that team. THAT’S what has been happening this season. Peyton, Brady, Eli, Rogers, Ryan, and Palmer are basically the only guys that can do that. And we are seeing it.
    ————————
    Then why are we 3-7?

    ♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪♪

    Hey KK, how’s it goin? No QB could carry this team. The load of the coaching staff is too much for any one man, let alone a player, to carry this team. We need coaches who know how to utilize the players we got. Not implement a scheme counter-productive to the type of players we got. It makes absolutely no sense in the world. None. Zero balls, zero brains.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 6:45 pm

    We are 3-7 because we have no running game and our defense is horrendous and so is our special teams. Simple as that.
    ————————-
    Oh, but I thought Palmer could carry a team?