Final: Bengals 34, Raiders 10
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, November 25th, 2012 at 1:14 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders need a better team or an alarm clock.
The Cincinnati Bengals spoiled the homecoming of quarterback Carson Palmer Sunday, winning 34-10 at Paul Brown Stadium after taking a 24-0 lead at halftime.
It was the ninth straight loss for the Raiders in the eastern time zone, dating back to a 27-24 win in Pittsburgh on Dec. 6, 2009.
The Raiders, 3-8, actually threatened to make a game of it for a brief time in the fourth quarter, but a strip-sack fumble of Palmer led to a Bengals field goal and an “inadvertent whistle’’ erased a potential touchdown return of a fumble by Tyvon Branch.
Cincinnati, 6-5, piled up 289 yards of offense in the first half and had a 1-yard touchdown run by BenJarvis Green-Ellis, touchdown passes of 2 and 5 yards from Andy Dalton to Mohamed Sanu and a 55-yard field goal by Mike Nugent.
Green-Ellis rushed for 129 yards on 19 carries for the Bengals, including runs of 48 and 39 yards.
Palmer had trouble getting the ball downfield against the Bengals defense, completing 19 of 34 passes for 146 yards, a 20-yard touchdown pass to Denarius Moore and an interception. He received boos every time he took the field, having left the team after the 2010 season and demanding a trade.
Things got mildly interesting in the third quarter, during which the Raiders had been outscored 123-34 coming in to the game.
Instead, the Raiders got a 55-yard field goal by Sebastian Janikowski and the 20-yard touchdown pass from Palmer to Moore to get within 24-10.
The Raiders then got good field position at their own 44 after forcing a Cincinnati punt, with the possibility of getting within 24-17 early in the fourth quarter.
The Bengals reasserted themselves at that point, with Manny Lawson getting around rookie Tony Bergstrom for a strip sack of Palmer that was recovered by Cincinnati.
It led to a 20-yard field goal by Nugent, only after the Raiders tightened at the 1-yard line following a 39-yard run by Green-Ellis for a first and goal.
Later, Raiders cornerback Joselio Hanson appeared to flip a Sanu fumble back in bounds where it was picked up by Branch, who ran into the end zone while the Bengals stood and watched.
The ruling was an inadvertent whistle, with Cincinnati getting the ball back. The game degerated into a scrum midway through the quarter with Andrew Whitworth getting tossed along with Lamarr Houston and Tommy Kelly of Oakland.
Whitworth was the instigator, going after Houston when the Raiders defensive end hit Dalton following a false start.
Former Raiders coach Hue Jackson was on the field helping to play peacemaker.
After order was restored, Cincinnati finished a 12-play, 84-yard drive with a 7-yard pass from Dalton to Jermaine Gresham to remove all doubt.
The Raiders return for consecutive home games against Cleveland, Denver and Kansas City.
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November 25th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
utter disaster of a team
November 25th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
big pep Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
FUC YOU RAIDRERS AND ALL THE FUCN COACHES ON THIS STAFF.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Jackasspuria Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
CVRaider
Washington State’s Mike Leach would be a perfect coach!
He’s an offensive mastermind and, if a player doesn’t perform, he’ll lock them up in a locker for a few hours.
Talk about a disciplinarian!
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No thank you. Leach had his best player quit the team because he couldn’t stand him.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Palmer got a nice hug from Hue after the game.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Reggie interviewed DA and knew DA’s intention of a ZBS and Reggie signed off on it.
Reggie is a tool, the end
November 25th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Contrary to popular belief, I did not see the team quit on the coach in the 2nd half.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
424.504 Raider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
386.Marks hair Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
If hue polished a turd and stuck googley eyes on it…. then what do you call what allens done here?
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Shoved it back up his butt crack, pushed it back out, then peed on top of it. Didn’t like the way it turned out so he talks to it and says: I’m gonna do it a few more times and we’ll be fine just bear with me. I promise.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
low class thief nfl long live AL
November 25th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
No MR,..yes Trask is Reggies boss, but he has more then one boss,..Mark ultimately rules,…however if Amy told Mark do this or Im outta here, he would do it.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Wow worst officiating vs. the Raiders since the tuck rule. And no progress so far this year – only regression. Bad coaching
November 25th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Palmer got a nice hug from Hue after the game.
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lol, that was a dry hump.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
FIREREGGIENOW!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I miss Hue!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I don’t blame Palmer one bit, and I mean that.
I know he played poorly my issue is he is saying why are we NOT PLAYING GUYS that cna help us win.
Taiwan Jones doesn’t even rate a carry because the HC is too busy nitpicking everything he does wrong.
It took forever to get Reece started and where is Ausberry? Palmer is frustrated and it shows in his play he is DEMORALIZED………….period
November 25th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
the zbs isn’t the problem. Houston does just with it and so does seattle and denver. its the players.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
John David Booty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
John, wins and losses are all that counts.
2006 team was 2-14.
This team has 3 wins.
Reggie is already doing better this year than Al Davis did in 2006. And, Al Davis gave himself 5 additional years. Would have given himself several more had he not died. And people think Reggie shouldn’t even get one complete year? Ridiculous.
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If wins and losses were all that mattered, then it should be easy for you to admit that this team is far worse than it was the last 2 seasons, when they were 8-8.
If wins and losses were all that mattered, a 9-7 team would not have won the SB last year.
Your team has to get better, it has to improve. This team is not improving. They are getting worse, each week.
2 teams can have the same record. So are you saying that it is impossible to determine which team might be better, just because they ended up with the same amount of wins and losses? Ive watched every game this season and 2006. This team has played much worse, regardless of having one more win.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
The real problem here is Mark hired Reg with really no interview,..he was told how great he was, flew him out here and hired him. Major mistake. Thats on Mark, who knows about as much football as old man kell. (nothing)
November 25th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DT42 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Good question Booty. I think the answer is that certain people (MR) have such a hatred for Al Davis and invested so much time in talking about him that its become more about him being right than this team bringing in the right GM and the right Coach. It’s all about one mans ego.
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yup
November 25th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Sully,
10 and then?
November 25th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
For a guy who is supposed to know defense, DA hasn’t shown me squat
November 25th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
There is always next year!
Sincerely,
Cubs fan
November 25th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
OklahomaRaider18 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I miss Hue!!!
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Hue was a fool. Would you like to give him a pedi?
November 25th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I like the 2 draw plays on the last drive lol….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
ZBS is okay, it’s the guys who are coaching it who s8ck,
November 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Looking at the bright side we’re aiming at the 2 pick overall after Browns and Jags wins
November 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
When your start QB doesn’t believe in the gameplan playcalling and the talent the coaches are misusing how cna he give it his all week in week out? He can’t his play will soon fall off and that is what you’re seeing.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
alright who wants a ticket to the fire da bandwagon? We also have the fire reggie bandwagon…
November 25th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
best team in the afc runs the zbs. get over it.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
What happened to DHB?
November 25th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RG3 three weeks in a row with 4 TD passes…
November 25th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
we know there are still a few dvmbazses in here…but they will see soon….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Hue and Palmer’s embrace:
Palmer: I’m so sorry about what happened to you here last year.
Hue: Obviously! But heck man I’m so sorry they strapped you with that Pee Wee league OC.
Then they both simultaneously look at each other and say: “WTF can you do?”
November 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Agreed.
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Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
When your start QB doesn’t believe in the gameplan playcalling and the talent the coaches are misusing how cna he give it his all week in week out? He can’t his play will soon fall off and that is what you’re seeing.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
kelly looking at a suspension for coming of the bench
November 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
If the NFL isn’t going to let us try and win they need to dissolve the franchise now and put us out of our misery.
Bad players
Bad coaches
Bad refs
That was the just the worst ever.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
AWFUL today. dont get it twisted. That little TD that wasnt called wouldnt have made a difference. Final score would have been 34-17.
Bengals let up after haltime. 24-0 All week to prepare and its 24-0.
REGRESSED. TOMMY Kelly taking out his frustrations about DA on wittworth. I mean coming off the bench??
THe refs blew the LIONS game too but that was close. RAIDERS couldnt stop anybody. DA= Defense of coach LMAO
November 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Hue had to hold in his laughter today as he had a front row seat to see this pathetic offense that I know he barely recognizes. At least we won the fight.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
GIO S(CKKS , HE GOT ABUSED MILLION TIMES TODAY< HE ALSO HAD A CHANCE TO PICK ONE OF THOSE DALTON PaSSES , and run it back for TD
November 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Could face Colt McCoy next week.
Interesting what that line will be.
I would not be suprised if the Raiders were still favorites.
If they are underdogs, it won’t be more than 1.5 points.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
lol at refs not trying to let Raiders win? are u kidding??
THE F’n RAIDER players even dont want themselves to win
November 25th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Dennis Allens “it” factor……losing
November 25th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
There is no question that the Raiders are not a good team. But to have their best plays negated by officiating, year after year, is not a coincidence.
Why doesn’t the NFL just throw them out of the league, it would be better for all concerned.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
even romo is saying allen has lost the team….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
For the record, I liked Hue. Thought he was a nice up and coming coach, with a good eye for offense and how to get the most out of his weapons. But he definitely had his issues. With that said, I did believe that we could have upgraded at HC. However, Dennis Allen is in no way, shape, or form an upgrade over Hue Jackson.
The rest of you can say and feel how youd like, but in my time as a Raiders fan, Dennis Allen has done the worst coaching job of any HC that Ive seen running this team. That includes Bugel. At least Art Shell had a good stint his first time. Dont think he should have come back though, because I dont even think he still wanted to coach, but thats all old news. Dennis Allen has been the worst Raiders coach Ive seen.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
This team is unwatchable, & Carson sinks to an all time low. Carson went out with hardly a wimper & slinks off into utter unimportance.
The time draws close for tp6 ; & Allen has no control of this team.
Carson showed major shrinkage with back breaking turnovers., & the rest of the team was almost as bad.
Allen & Carson…… Not a fan
November 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
alright who wants a ticket to the fire da bandwagon? We also have the fire reggie bandwagon…
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DA yes, Reggie, I can give another year.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
AFter watching that wretched 1st half, 27-17 with 8 minutes to go would have been nice to see.
And the ref who blew the whistle was not the guy standing right over the ball. Some dude 20 yards away.
Wasn’t even his call to make.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
This was one of the worst, ugliest games you’ll see. Ever.
Raiders’ terrible effort was perhaps matched only by the ineptness of the officials. Both the Raiders and the NFL owe fans an apology for this one. Indeed.
To call this professional football is an affront to professionals (in any occupation) and footballs everywhere.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
ok my head is going to explode , take care guys , might not see me again until draft time lol
November 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Ron69 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Looking at the bright side we’re aiming at the 2 pick overall after Browns and Jags wins
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Victory!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I gotta say,..the post game show is must see,..Lo Neal is awesome…Romo is terrific,..Koz is a dork from Sacramento. Saw Koz in a bar in Natomas that C-Webb owned for a while,..was drinking a Cosmo…nuff said.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Hue Jackson gets some payback!
Love it!
Terrible….terrible decision by Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie to get rid of Hue, now it will set this team back for at least 3 years…..AT LEAST if not longer.
Sad.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
best team in the afc runs the zbs. get over it.
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Yeah, yet the Whiners are the best rushing team in 50 years & they seem to be OK in not running the ZBS.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
What happened to DHB?
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Same thing that happened to Palmer, he’s demoralized……same thing with DMo these players don’t believe in the message. I know with most of you that doesn’t compute but this game is soo physically taxing when things aren’t right and you see hidden agendas at work, you lose focus. It affects your focus which affects your play whether the player realizes it or not it just does.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
445.2romes Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
The AL Davis haters thought any change was a good change. Clean out everyone and good things just happen.You guys are living in Raiderwonderland. The NFL is a hard fought game. It requires a steady dose of progression and that is what Hue gave us. This group of collective coaches lead by BIG REGGIE is a joke right now.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
And it’s not a coincidence – EVERYTIME something good happens that might change the momentum of a game the phu cking zebras get involved.
It’s pathetic that one dead old man who’d lost it still scares them so much.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
I just don’t get why the blew whistle on that play, if its incomplete they can always challenge it, but by blowing whistles you’re stopping the other team from coming back and making things happen
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Don’t worry Pasadena city counsel just passed 5 yrs of NFL football to be played in the Rose Bowl. We’ll get a franchise player in the first round. Some depth in the later rounds, coaching staff will be tweaked if not cleared out. DMac will be gone so we won’t have to worry about our “star’s” health anymore.
The move to LA will be a morale boost. Don’t worry everything is fine guys. Really!
Hahaha
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
after halftime, we tied Cincy 10-10
progress!!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
No matter how embarrassing it will be for Reggie, he has to fire Dennis Allen after the season. We will look dysfunctional, and will end up with some retread loser, but that will still be an upgrade from Dennis Allen unfortunately.
Sad times.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Manti Te’o should be the Raiders pick and I don’t care if he is a MLB or ILB and not a pure pass rusher.
He would be the new leader of this crappy Raider defense.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Since about 2nd OTA I imagine.
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Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
even romo is saying allen has lost the team….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
best team in the afc runs the zbs. get over it.
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ZBS works. Theres no denying that. But it aint working here. We dont have the linemen for it, and we damn sure dont have the coaches and teachers to show them how run it correctly. When Cable ran the ZBS, his first season coaching the line here, the line and run game instantly improved. Because Cable knows how to coach and teach the ZBS. Its the sole reason Pete brought him to Seattle. Cause Cable is one of the best in the business at implementing it. Knapp and Frank Pollack arent. All coaches are not created equal. Remember that.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Hue Jackson gets some payback!
Love it!
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what a POS comment. you should be ashamed of yourself. go root for the Bengals
November 25th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
DA KNAPP and TARVER r by far the worst coaches in the league. They R F*#king the fans, the team. They dont even give there own players the common courtesy of a reach around.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
49ers and Saints start the game off throwing short of the sticks on 3rd down.
Not dissolving the blame on our offense for doing it often, but you see it almost half the time in the NFL.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Lorenzo Neal and Romo calling for the fireing of Reggie and DA
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
best team in the afc runs the zbs. get over it.
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We’ll see come playoff time.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
When the refs fk up, DA needs to have a heart attack out there. He reminded me of Shell, no fire, no emotion. As a head coach you got to call the refs on that.
It doesn’t matter if it would have been a game changer. DA needed to pull a John Madden on the sideline.
Maybe Allen should start smoking cigs.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
cya mctroll…keep trolling on
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Looks like #1 pick is on the Radar, after Jax and Browns won
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
tj I’m with you for the first time ever. Don’t try and hump my leg but I said the players checked out weeks ago.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Dakota Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
No matter how embarrassing it will be for Reggie, he has to fire Dennis Allen after the season. We will look dysfunctional, and will end up with some retread loser, but that will still be an upgrade from Dennis Allen unfortunately.
Sad times.
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Glad to see someone is coming aorund to reality. This team is way undercoached it is plaina nd simple to see.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I’m all for this year’s ineptitude to continue in order for us to get the top #3 pick and let the coaching chips fall where they may.
Damn shame two days after declaring we would run the table at 9-7 and make the playoffs.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RaiderSam Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Knapp makes the decision on personnel on offense.its why he was genius not giving reece a carry until week 10 so he could be fresh for the run in december..
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You think if Davis gets too impatient, fires Allen, was Allen’s mistake sticking with Knapp for so long…and his inexperience as head coach and background wasnt enough for him to take over playcalling (the first instinct of any head coach, when the OC struggles for 8 games)
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either DA feels real secure about his job , or hes holding on to knapp as long as possible, bc once knapp is gone, he’s next..
November 25th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Everything isn’t for everybody,zbs is not a fit for us in Oakland.We have the worst coaches that I’ve ever seen….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
at this point i don’t care if they lose the rest of the games, secure #1 pick , get some kinda trade offer St.Louis got from washington and trade down just a few slots and get more draft picks
November 25th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
why are they calling him coach allen? DA fielding softball questions….jerry and cork would fit in….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
That officiating was really bad in the second half.
Allen should have done a Billy Martin on those azzholes.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/recap?gid=20121125004
“A brawl in the fourth quarter resulted in Oakland’s Tommy Kelly and Lamarr Hunt and Cincinnati’s Andrew Whitworth getting ejected.”
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Well. now I understand the bad defense. Lamarr Hunt is playing D-line for Oakland. lol
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
mctroll!??! “real” raider fans care uf we lose….lol
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
All Reggie needs to do is get 2 people to help him turn this around. A experienced GM to mentor him and an experienced coach to handle the dailey grind and get players to play for them. I’ll take Gruden at this point I’m sooo freakin frustrated. Just get someone who KNOWS what he’s DOING, PLEASE!!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Dennis Allen make Lane Kiffin look like Einstein
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
In a blow out our WR had 4 catches for 43 yards..yeah we didnt need a guy like Plax..there will probably be 50+ WRs this week that had more catches or yards then our ENTIRE WR unit
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Hue came over at the end of the game to give Palmer a hug.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
DA didnt say anything at halftime…lol.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Dakota Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
No matter how embarrassing it will be for Reggie, he has to fire Dennis Allen after the season. We will look dysfunctional, and will end up with some retread loser, but that will still be an upgrade from Dennis Allen unfortunately.
Sad times.
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Glad to see someone is coming aorund to reality. This team is way undercoached it is plaina nd simple to see.
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They’re under contract. The key is will they recognize the problem and proactively cut losses to save their hides, or “stay loyal” and ALL get caps busted into them.
I feel when Mark addressed the players, that was the “Raider Fan” in Mark Davis, and not the owner (who is supposed to lay back and let the GM, do all that)
November 25th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
All Reggie needs to do is get 2 people to help him turn this around. A experienced GM to mentor him and an experienced coach to handle the dailey grind and get players to play for them. I’ll take Gruden at this point I’m sooo freakin frustrated. Just get someone who KNOWS what he’s DOING, PLEASE!!
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if we get that experienced GM we dont need Reggie
November 25th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
mctroll!??! “real” raider fans care uf we lose….lol
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I would still wear my Raiders gear proudly unlike you who waits until the team wins, Lemme guess you secretly love Atlanta Falcons, or Miami Heat and SF GIANTS
November 25th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I think what would be interesting is if whoever’s head of this post. To have a post put up and saved and have everyone on here post who stands by Reggie and Dennis Allen and Who doesnt and next year and the next year after. We can see who said what. that be interesting. I believe Reggie and Dennis will get this ship headed in the right direction. I hate losing and no one had it as hard as we raiderfans have. My fingers are crossed somehow we get a 2nd round pick this year also. Give Reggie a full hand to play with and salary cap. Then Judge him fairly and on his ability to sign some star quality players.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
The Defense just can’t tackle … That’s basic….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Ron69 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Dennis Allen make Lane Kiffin look like Einstein
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People were on the blogs saying Kiffin was the reason, the “young and up and coming head coach phenomena was big….Kiffin got hires because of his background, and worked the system.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
why does every week get worse,
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
WE need to get D-Bowe next year, he will love to come play for Palmer
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
All Reggie needs to do is get 2 people to help him turn this around. A experienced GM to mentor him…
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Now wait a fuk’n minute Priest….
You want the Raiders to hire a GM to mentor McKenzie how to be a GM even though McKenzie IS the GM???
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Demote Gregg Knapp to “official janitor”
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
That was definitely one of the more creative officiating skrew-jobs I’ve seen yet against the Raiders.
Right up there with:
- The Tuck Rule (incidentally, if such a rule really did exist, it would’ve been called on the Palmer fumble, but of course that was a legit fumble because the tuck rule is/was/always will be complete BS).
- Vincent Jackson’s “illegal forward pass” from the Art Shell Part II season in which he got up without being touched and spun the ball on the ground for what should’ve been a fumble.
- Today’s inadvertent whistle on what should’ve been a Raiders TD, at least Raiders ball at about Cincy’s 15 and at worst 4th down with Cincy punting. Instead, Cincy gets to play the down over? Hilarious!!! Where do they come up with this stuff?
If you’re an official in that spot you need to call 8 phantom holding penalties in a row if need be. No way you can just allow Cincy to pick up a first down after you sh!t the bed like that.
But whatever. It doesn’t change the fact we were awful today. But the officials and the league should be equally ashamed. TK and Houston shouldn’t be penalized for that hot mess.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
DA doesnt want anyone playing mad…”all of us have to be accountable we havent done that”, nice to see da smiling at his oress conf…
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Same ol same ol in Oakland…
Losing season… Fire the coach… Hope springs eternal…Losing season… Fire the coach…hope springs eternal…and on and on it goes…
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Dennis Allen says ‘ticked off’. I wonder if he ever swears.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
mctroll!??! “real” raider fans care uf we lose….lol
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I would still wear my Raiders gear proudly unlike you who waits until the team wins, Lemme guess you secretly love Atlanta Falcons, or Miami Heat and SF GIANTS
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Lol, Falcons and Heat – the front runner teams for the biggest front running, band wagon riding fans EVER!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Priest,…Reg and Dennis and Knapp all back next year,…Palmer too,…you dont like it call Gary manana,..I cleared the path for you again,..youre welcome.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
MARK DAVIS,REGGIE AND DENNIS took the best players the Raiders had and reduced them to one of the sorriest groups to play.
At least Coach allen maybe told his kickoff returner not to take the ball out of the endzone if he can’t make it to the twenty. IF he talked to the kick returner that would be some improvement.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Bryant got away with a punch in that melee.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Same ol same ol in Oakland…
Losing season… Fire the coach… Hope springs eternal…Losing season… Fire the coach…hope springs eternal…and on and on it goes…
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That kind of cycle tells you. Its just not their era. At some point a draft pick, and undrafted guy, a coordinator all come together and it turns around.
Team hasnt had that symmetry for a LONG time.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
oakfoshow Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Lorenzo Neal and Romo calling for the fireing of Reggie and DA
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what station are you listening?
November 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
bowe wouldnt cone within 300 miles of a da coached team…
November 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The defense sucked in the first half, stepped up in the second half, and then lost it after that lousy azz officiating.
All through the game Palmer developed some real close relationships with the Bengals defense since the Raider offensive line couldn’t stop much of anything.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
“The Defense just can’t tackle … That’s basic….”
Yeah I agree Tackling is a state of mind a mentality you have to want to bring a guy down to the ground and bring him down hard it has to be an attitude or mind set of almost anger or want to hurt someone for coming in your territory kind of mentality…..there are guys in this league that have that and there are guys that don’t which is why you will see 20 or more new faces on this roster next year.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
csnbay area…
November 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I’m no Carson Palmer hater. I was actually happy when the trade was made. However it’s clear, he’s not a difference maker and in fact he’s a loser. Not personally, but as a player. The guy makes far to many mistakes in crunch time. The raiders would be wise to look at TP the remainder of the season and if he shows promise trade CP for a pick or 2. If TP looks like he can’t play, draft a QB or sign a quality FA.
Denise Allen is the worse coach in Raiders/Amigos history. He makes Bugal look like Madden. It’s passed the time to show that pencil neck geek the door.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
In a blow out our WR had 4 catches for 43 yards..yeah we didnt need a guy like Plax..there will probably be 50+ WRs this week that had more catches or yards then our ENTIRE WR unit
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We could definitely have used Plax. But at the same time, what the f#ck is up with the WRs routes? We get no slants, which were finally being worked into the offense last year, with success. Thats what you do when you have speedy WRs. The WR slant is one of the hardest plays to stop. But when you watch our passing plays, we either have the RB screen, or the RB out of the backfield. We have the one quick WR screen also. After that, on almost all the pass plays, all the WRs are basically running out and go routes. Look familiar? Its almost identical the Bed & Breakfast 7 step drop, with the only advantage being that we start off lined up in the shotgun. Knapp is using a Madden 95 playbook.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
colts are 7-4 after going 2-14 and losing Manning..2013 no excuses
November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
There isn’t an experienced HC not of the Wade Phillips ilk that would sign up to coach here.
Lame duck season in a stadium, terrible talent.
If we fire DA, expect multiple coaches to pass on even interviewing with us.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
mctroll i thought you were leaving until draft time?
November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
That was definitely one of the more creative officiating skrew-jobs I’ve seen yet against the Raiders.
Right up there with:
- The Tuck Rule (incidentally, if such a rule really did exist, it would’ve been called on the Palmer fumble, but of course that was a legit fumble because the tuck rule is/was/always will be complete BS).
- Vincent Jackson’s “illegal forward pass” from the Art Shell Part II season in which he got up without being touched and spun the ball on the ground for what should’ve been a fumble.
- Today’s inadvertent whistle on what should’ve been a Raiders TD, at least Raiders ball at about Cincy’s 15 and at worst 4th down with Cincy punting. Instead, Cincy gets to play the down over? Hilarious!!! Where do they come up with this stuff?
If you’re an official in that spot you need to call 8 phantom holding penalties in a row if need be. No way you can just allow Cincy to pick up a first down after you sh!t the bed like that.
But whatever. It doesn’t change the fact we were awful today. But the officials and the league should be equally ashamed. TK and Houston shouldn’t be penalized for that hot mess.
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LMAO instead of us scoring , or recovering the ball , or instead of punting , they get to replay the 3rd down and they go all the way and score a TD
November 25th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Big Pep Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
oakfoshow Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Lorenzo Neal and Romo calling for the fireing of Reggie and DA
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what station are you listening?
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Sort of knee-jerk reaction. But Davis set the stage with that impromptu visit to the locker room and meeting with Reggie and Dennis Allen. It is going to be a humdinger of a monday press conference.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Dennis Allen has not shown one reason why he should not be fired. Where is the progress?
November 25th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
John David Booty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
In a blow out our WR had 4 catches for 43 yards..yeah we didnt need a guy like Plax..there will probably be 50+ WRs this week that had more catches or yards then our ENTIRE WR unit
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We could definitely have used Plax. But at the same time, what the f#ck is up with the WRs routes? We get no slants, which were finally being worked into the offense last year, with success. Thats what you do when you have speedy WRs. The WR slant is one of the hardest plays to stop. But when you watch our passing plays, we either have the RB screen, or the RB out of the backfield. We have the one quick WR screen also. After that, on almost all the pass plays, all the WRs are basically running out and go routes. Look familiar? Its almost identical the Bed & Breakfast 7 step drop, with the only advantage being that we start off lined up in the shotgun. Knapp is using a Madden 95 playbook.
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when is the last time youve seen a WR catch a slant? maybe hagen once this year? its a joke
November 25th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RaiderSam Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
mctroll!??! “real” raider fans care uf we lose….lol
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I would still wear my Raiders gear proudly unlike you who waits until the team wins, Lemme guess you secretly love Atlanta Falcons, or Miami Heat and SF GIANTS
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Lol, Falcons and Heat – the front runner teams for the biggest front running, band wagon riding fans EVER!
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Yup that’s AL THE TROLL LMAO Bandwagon fan
November 25th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
colts are 7-4 after going 2-14 and losing Manning..2013 no excuses
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uh Luck was one of the best QBs of this generation, and he went first to Colts. Bill Polian was an OUTSTANDING G.M.
you think Barkley or Geno Smith will approach that in 2013?
change that – ONE CAN ONLY HOPE.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
bowe wouldnt cone within 300 miles of a da coached team…
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Bowe, like 98% of the league, will go to wherever the most guaranteed money is.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
?What progress, ??we’re continuing from where the team left off in last 5 games last year lmao
November 25th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
There isn’t an experienced HC not of the Wade Phillips ilk that would sign up to coach here.
Lame duck season in a stadium, terrible talent.
If we fire DA, expect multiple coaches to pass on even interviewing with us.
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yep…
November 25th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
We deserve a good hc! We have not had one in a decade! Fk me!
But cowher or gruden are not going to touch this team.
Just demoralizing.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
“All through the game Palmer developed some real close relationships with the Bengals defense since the Raider offensive line couldn’t stop much of anything.”
LMAO good point
November 25th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
mctroll its not draft time yet….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
This season has been a disaster like no other.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
ALthetroll secretly loves the WHINERS
November 25th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
QB K is awesome,..Niners will not be stopped this year or the next five,…badass team for sure.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
There isn’t an experienced HC not of the Wade Phillips ilk that would sign up to coach here.
Lame duck season in a stadium, terrible talent.
If we fire DA, expect multiple coaches to pass on even interviewing with us.
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yep…
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Anyone need a hand off the bandwagon?
feel free.
RAIDER NATION!!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
here cone the excuses…the game just finished…lol
November 25th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
The Refs were the least of our issues, we were down 24-0 at half. Giordano drops an int in Cincy territory, we get the ball down by 14 and @!ST play palmer fumbles. The refs were more comical than anything. it took my mind of the incapable WRs we had -4 catches for 43 yards as a unit. No way we could drive 80 yards on Cincy with our WRs
November 25th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Thanks for answering my question, Priest. I missed the first half and wasn’t sure whether DHB had a bad drop or something. I’ve seen him disappear for a quarter or two, but not for the entire game. It was odd, but then again the Raiders were ugly all around this week.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Coaching this team is like coaching a bad case of the Flu….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I do feel somewhat bad for Dennis Allen. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, family-man type. He may even be a good football coach one day, but he’s clearly not ready for this. One year as a DC under a defensive-minded head coach in which they have the 20th-ranked unit and gets bounced from the playoffs giving up 45 points?
Terrible decision by Reggie. I don’t know if Reggie will be a good talent evaluator of players. He may be. But you could hardly blame Mark if he cans him as well.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
This is why when people, that get paid to watch football rather than pay to watch, tell you your team is gonna win 5 games you shouldn’t blow up and expect a Super Bowl run. They come to these conclusions for a reason.
Just hope for the best, expect the worst and THEN drink yourself into a coma after you watch a game like this.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
REGRESSSION again mark, step up….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
DHB had a horrendous drop.
Amateur hourish
November 25th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
John David Booty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
best team in the afc runs the zbs. get over it.
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ZBS works. Theres no denying that. But it aint working here. We dont have the linemen for it, and we damn sure dont have the coaches and teachers to show them how run it correctly. When Cable ran the ZBS, his first season coaching the line here, the line and run game instantly improved. Because Cable knows how to coach and teach the ZBS. Its the sole reason Pete brought him to Seattle. Cause Cable is one of the best in the business at implementing it. Knapp and Frank Pollack arent. All coaches are not created equal. Remember that.
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True that.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Gonna be hard to find a coach who’s up to the task of coaching this team….
November 25th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
ANYWAYS ALL THE TROLL IS HERE< LETS LET HIM KEEP TROLLING TAKE CARE NATION
November 25th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
I’m giving Greg Knapp walking papers tomorrow morning if i could
November 25th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Secretly?…whats not to love about the Niners?…omg they crush teams,..brutalize them,..win,..exciting as heck,..whats not to love about them?…if you dont think the Niners are awesome youre lying to yourself,..I go to a couple games a year at the Stick,…the Raiders are a sorry excuse of losers in comparison….not even close. Thats why the Raiders wont play them in preseason anymore,…or do a joint practice with them again,…they get their butts whipped and they want no part of them. Truth.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
We don’t need Reggie, but I hav eno problem with him staying as long as he understands HE NEEDS HELP.
He NEVER should’ve hired a unproven ROOKIE coach. Who exactly did he think he was………that’s when i knew this would not work……that is just flat out DUMB. Now not only is he learning but so is the coach.
But his arrogance got the best of him
I’m watching a real coaching staff with great coaches everywhere and a young QB who is fire red hot. The stinking Forty NINERS make us look like a cut rate org. with cut rate ideals. No leadership and no plan of action.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
mctrolls lips are chapped from reggies boots…keep trolling
November 25th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Secretly?…whats not to love about the Niners?…omg they crush teams,..brutalize them,..win,..exciting as heck,..whats not to love about them?…if you dont think the Niners are awesome youre lying to yourself,..I go to a couple games a year at the Stick,…the Raiders are a sorry excuse of losers in comparison….not even close. Thats why the Raiders wont play them in preseason anymore,…or do a joint practice with them again,…they get their butts whipped and they want no part of them. Truth.
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You forgot Whiners part my Raider BRO LMAO
November 25th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
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Makes sense. The defense looked much better in the second half.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
KEEP TROLLING LMFAO
November 25th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Raider(since) 1967
BOY! AM I- Glad this one is over !!
Before I fell bad and now I LAUGH AND IS HALARIOUS -ALICE
YOUR GOING TO THE MOON ALICE!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
The stinking Forty NINERS make us look like a cut rate org. with cut rate ideals.
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This is new?
It’s been this way since I was born.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I hope mark Davis takes over gm duties. He will bring back Bo, Marcus, Timmy, Steve smith and rich Gannon….with madden as hc….just win baby!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Can’t fire Dennis Allen. He needs to show some conviction and scrap the ZBS. Our players aren’t built for that’s makes them too passive. Our Oline is not winning any games, and the play calling is not good. When you can’t score on opening drives, a strength for our best coach since John Madden (Hue Jack) that means the defenses are prepared for your predictable play calling. Most teams gain yardage when they are down a lot of points. 5 games left, play your rookies, do your experimenting (like Taiwan Jones at corner! What’s the diff if we give up 45 or 34, especially giving up 200+ rush yards per game. BTW love Art Shell, ( hence the moniker) but he was the worst coach. We ever had. No strategy or game planning and he hired Tom Walsh, remember?
November 25th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Yeah last week was a fluke alright kappy is sick out there.
But we better not trust our young talented QB he might get bruised.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Does everyone agree that if reggies allows Knapp to coach next year then that cements him as the worst GM in raider history
November 25th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Dennis Allen took over Defense play calling…
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Tarver = canned
November 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Dumb ars Reggie Mc did’nt believe we could use Plax, Cedrick Benson, Bush, Satele, upgraded right side O-linemen, a better MLB. He sign slow ars Bartell and Spencer to stregthen the secondary. He sign Briesel, Willie Smith and a boatload of garbage kick returners, while electing to ignore Rock Cartwright. He kept WILLIE Smith over Barksdale. He failed to sign a back-up long snapper, he hired Denise Allen.
Reggie Mc, appears to be in over his head.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Secretly?…whats not to love about the Niners?…omg they crush teams,..brutalize them,..win,..exciting as heck,..whats not to love about them?…if you dont think the Niners are awesome youre lying to yourself,..I go to a couple games a year at the Stick,…the Raiders are a sorry excuse of losers in comparison….not even close. Thats why the Raiders wont play them in preseason anymore,…or do a joint practice with them again,…they get their butts whipped and they want no part of them. Truth.
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You sound better without that Niner c%ck in your mouth.
say that again…this time spit, first.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
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Makes sense. The defense looked much better in the second half.
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Indeed. Now time for Saunders to take over Offensive play calling duties (as he should have from the getgo) for the Krappster.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
The stinking Forty NINERS make us look like a cut rate org. with cut rate ideals.
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This is new?
It’s been this way since I was born.
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You were born in 2003?
November 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
157 = truth
November 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
A clueless Carson caved, and the bungles bowl disintegrated into a blow out laugher.
Mr instant upgrade was a human blooper reel, and got his azz kicked right out the stadium.
It was brutal.
Tp6 please
November 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Priest,..Kap is a QB,..Pryor isnt. Talk to Gary about it tomorrow, thanks to me you can call again. Word.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
McFadden doesn’t like the ZBS so go with that. Build a system around your players, not the other way around.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Every coach should be fired ASAP!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
OneRaiderNation Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
Report:Dennis Allen took over Defense play calling…
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Makes sense. The defense looked much better in the second half.
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Indeed. Now time for Saunders to take over Offensive play calling duties (as he should have from the getgo) for the Krappster.
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That should be the next logical step. And better yet – activate Terrelle Pryor. Its over, get him some reps before you get Carson Palmer knocked out.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Allen and co. should have never fkd with the offense,because of the fact that it wasnt broken.A good coach with any type of sense would have focused on the defense and defense only really.Maybe bring in an O lineman or two on offense and a tight end that can move the chains.Dungy didnt touch the Colts O,Gruden didnt touch the Bucs D,Harbaugh didnt touch SanFrans D.Those are just 3 that come to mind off hand.Hiram Eugene could do a better job than Giordano,all the Seymore bashers what do you think about Bryant,lol Burriss is invisible since the Atlaanta game.Taiwan Jones just cant get an opportunity I suppose.Cut the whole d line except Houston the rest suck including ShoNasty dude is a creampuff he wont get any better.Brisell is a”friggn dud”shouldve kept Wiz @ gaurd Satele @ center big Wiz @ o line coach power blocking scheme.Thats where McFadden does what we want him to do”excell”.I accept that we arent a playoff team but dammit man its a crying shame when kickoff is @ 1 o clock and by 1:45 Im looking for something else to do with my day….Mark Davis’s hatred for losing and mediocricy gene needs to kick in and”HEADS NEED TO ROLL IMMEDIATELY IF NOT SOON!!!”
November 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
We are real bad on 3rd down. bad WRs, a QB who doesnt have a good oline in front of him, an offense that accepts 3rd down throws 2-4 yards before the first down marker, and a QB who may not have the IT factor. Combine them all and you get failure
November 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
DA needs to be actively involved fixing the defense this year, then hire a new DC and OC next year. Must be his focus if he is to survive
November 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
The Oakland Raiders were first to get to the SB and last to egt to the SB between the Niners and themselves.
The Niners just got good last year……..they haven’t been to a SB since 1995.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The Niners will kill Denver in the Superbowl.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I wouldn’t be shocked if the coaching staff is dumped Monday.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
A clueless Carson caved, and the bungles bowl disintegrated into a blow out laugher.
Mr instant upgrade was a human blooper reel, and got his azz kicked right out the stadium.
It was brutal.
Tp6 please
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Marcel Reece was good, Palmer ok.
I agree on TP6 …
November 25th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
McFadden doesn’t like the ZBS so go with that. Build a system around your players, not the other way around.
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Reece > McFadden
November 25th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Next week is the biggest game of Reggie’s career. The Raiders need to lose to the Browns to get a higher draft pick. They need to start Pryor.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
The Oakland Raiders were first to get to the SB and last to egt to the SB between the Niners and themselves.
The Niners just got good last year……..they haven’t been to a SB since 1995.
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These bandwagon clowns just annoy me. I mean, are they for real with this ish?!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Priest,…please,..dont start comparing the Raiders to the Niners,…you look silly enough without going down that road. Call Gary.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
30 years as a Raiders fan and I have never felt so discouraged as I do now. The last two years had exciting moments and it felt as if we were on the verge of becoming a playoff team again. And now this… I was on wait and see when Dennis Allen was hired but I have seen enough. The dude doesn’t have the chops to be a head coach yet. It is plain and obvious. His team is not improving from week to week. They are not learning. He is not learning. It just gets worse week after week. Time to can this guy Reggie and bring in a professional.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
This roster is absolute junk. Reggie needs to axe DA and his staff on Monday.
Cut the CHECK CASHERS!
November 25th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
These announcers on 95.7 are annoying.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Tarver I would give a pass. If you put two guys on one guy in a big situation, how can you blame the scheme? Not like he had a LB deep downfield over the middle covering Calvin Johnson in a critical situation.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
” i like mees draft picks….i like thems a lot”
November 25th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
You guys do know DENNIS ALLEN Took over Defense at the start of the game right? it wasnt half time
November 25th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
That’s the reason they’re starting Kappy they are desparate to get to the SB and with him they just might and if they do I’ll be rooting for them to win.
Because we’re just too stupid to see the writing on the wall………….it’s TIME to make changes how you percieve these hot young ‘new wave’ QB’s or get left behind.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Next week is the biggest game of Reggie’s career. The Raiders need to lose to the Browns to get a higher draft pick. They need to start Pryor.
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High picks during a draft with this amount of juniors are a risky proposition. A lot of guys have padded stats, or are on teams LOADED with talent (LSU, Bama in particular)
we’ll get a better feel once the combine rolls around – but look for deals to net 9-10 picks overall, and about 14 free agents -3 major 7 role players, and four others through trade or off waivers.
He has his work cut out for him.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Raider (since)1967
I remember when I use to get DIP and CHIPS and.sit back and
Watch -MADDEN, FLORES, SHELL, GRUDEN WIN!
Now I Can’t even call my friends to come and Watch a RAIDER GAME -they don’t even put a Commercial about them !
November 25th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
OneRaiderNation Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
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Makes sense. The defense looked much better in the second half.
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Indeed. Now time for Saunders to take over Offensive play calling duties (as he should have from the getgo) for the Krappster.
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Is this fact or just BS?
November 25th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
You guys do know DENNIS ALLEN Took over Defense at the start of the game right? it wasnt half time
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Also, Cincy eased up on their attack in the 3rd.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
and what about that last drive where CINCY went right down the field?
Allen is not a difference maker
November 25th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
These bandwagon clowns just annoy me. I mean, are they for real with this ish?!
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Dude, I am the only one keeping the faith during the games, so spare me that.
I have watched the 49ers win 3 Super Bowls. Never watched the Raiders win one. I am sure the 49ers have been to the playoffs twice as many time as the Raiders over the last 25 years as well.
I hate them, but this is the truth. We are a bottom of the barrell sports franchise. Worst stadium in maybe all of sports with no plan after next season, reflects right on that.
49ers got a shiny new one coming, probably will host Super Bowls in it.
November 25th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
regressed, outclassed, outcoached, outwanted, outeverything
November 25th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Omoran Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Raider (since)1967
I remember when I use to get DIP and CHIPS and.sit back and
Watch -MADDEN, FLORES, SHELL, GRUDEN WIN!
Now I Can’t even call my friends to come and Watch a RAIDER GAME -they don’t even put a Commercial about them !
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Ice Cube has a song for pepsi – Raider Nation Anthem – its been played numerous times as has the Bud Light commercial. NFL realizes that fan base is rabid – and its national, too.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Currently the Raiders are tied with Browns for #4 pick. Have to root for the Panthers on Monday night.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Derek Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I’m no Carson Palmer hater. I was actually happy when the trade was made. However it’s clear, he’s not a difference maker and in fact he’s a loser.
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That is just so dumb in multiple ways.
This is not about Palmer who is the best quarterback that we’ve had in a long time.
Palmer could be a combination of Snake, Plunk, and Gannon but he’s never going to succeed when he’s knocked on his azz all the time.
When McKenzie came in he made several mistakes.
First letting Satelle go and then playing musical chairs with the offensive line. You don’t let a working center go-even an average one as Satelle is-unless you know positively that you have something better and Wiz throughout his career played left guard and only played center three times last year.
We had a fair OL working last year with Satele at center with Wiz and Veldher on the left side and the much maligned but workable Carlisle as left guard. Nothing sensationle-except for the combination of Wiz and Veldeer at left tackle and guard-but workable.
It’s all about the lines and in the draft where we will probably pick first we need to go for the OL and DL lines.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
1) Instead of letting seymours contract expire next year, reggie restructured so when we cut seymour next year it costs us 6 million towards our cap
2) BRIESEL 20 mil contract signing is one of the worst ever, when’s hes cut next year it will cost us 2.7 million to our cap
3)Franchising Branch was a headscratcher, but signing him to a long term contract was insane
4) bartell no ints since 2008- enough said
5) drafting a 26year OL who cant beat out Willie Smith -hmm
I have no confidence in Reggie, he’ll get his chance but no excuses in 2013
November 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
cleveland winnable? yeah right richardson is gonna have a career day
November 25th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
*Carlisle-right guard…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
McFadden doesn’t like the ZBS so go with that. Build a system around your players, not the other way around.
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Reece > McFadden
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Reece is not keyed on and is slow enough to let the blocking develop
It goes to show how he should have been complimenting DMC all along. These guys don’t use their talent well. For example, we all know DHB has poor hands. You throw him a screen like on the first play, let him catch an easy one, and his confidence builds and he will catch more than he drops. Plus, it makes the DB play a little closer to the line.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Do we have a great offensive line? Does DHB make great catches? Do we have playmakers on defense? Do we have a pass rush. Can we stop the run?
We only have a few genuine NFL caliber players.
Thinking that last years team was on the way to greatness is idiocy.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I am curious to see that Vegas line for next week.
Probably won’t get it for awhile, with the QB situation in Cleveland up in the air (Weeden left the game).
We very well might be favored.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
DA has lost this team…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
oak wont be favored against anybody…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Forte injured today. Bush averaged 3 yards a carry. Reece is better than Bush.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
1) Instead of letting seymours contract expire next year, reggie restructured so when we cut seymour next year it costs us 6 million towards our cap
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Restructured to save cap room for this season, an Al Davis special.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Sounds like DA has lost more than the team,….
November 25th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
@199
Greatness? No. Respectability? Yes.
Mark let Reg blow that.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
You guys are so smart yes lets put Terrell Pryor in just because Kaeperknick is doing it in San Francisco.
We have a similar O-Line, our WR’s are most certainly better than the 49ers. We have a better running game than the 49ers and a better defense in case TP6 has too many 3 and outs. Yes I would compare our special teams to the 49ers as well…………YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT TP6 will exel in our super hyped offense way better than Kaepernick ever could in that mediocre 49er team.
That was sarcasm by the way TARDS!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
The guys on 95.7 are having the exact same argument we have in here about cap space and draft picks and the validity of last year’s 8-8 team.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
oak wont be favored against anybody…
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Don’t be foolish, KC at home will be favored, and very well be next week.
Your new to this I see.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
But he scored 2 TD’s how many did we score rushing?
Is that zero, that is what I thought.
I love Reece at HB but we need some damn lightning in the backfield to help him. TJ anyone?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Raiders(since) 1967
NATION THATS IT!
I AM – Fedup and convise, I am not going to buy DIP or CHEESE
it gets Soggy in the RAIDERS GAMES when we get them in FLORIDA. I love them to death.
BUT THE CHEESE GETS BAD WHEN WE GET THE SCORE AND SMELLS LIKE OLD FEET!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
DA has lost this team…
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That is up for debate. 2nd half defense didn’t look that way to me.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
This is not the first game a refs inadvertent whistle cost the Raiders a defensive touchdown; also the possession should still have gone to the Raiders.
That TD would’ve made it 24-17.
Mark, Reggie, & Dennis better file a major complaint to the NFL.
Refs should be fined as much as Raiders’ DL.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
jfb…serious they will not be favored unless da is gone. There is nothing that you can point at to prove that…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
BLOW IT UP…
BLOW it ALL up.
Here’s to rooting for 3-13 (and an UGLY 3-13 at that.)
Folx, Meet our DEAD COACH WALKING, D0A…
Heckuva job, Denny!
D3AD COACH WALKING
November 25th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
The only thing that hasn’t failed on this team is Al’s torch gas supply. Who knows, that may be sputtering by now. By next week it might eve be out of order. Just think of it, so great old time Raider shows up to revive the Al spirit via the gas blast and all we get is one short fart which represents well the epic failure this season has become.
I predict that Reggie & DOA will survive but if Knapp is not fired there will be a fan revolution.
I’ve already decided that I will NOT renew my season tickets for next year. My only meaningful protest will be to their wallet.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
212….did da stop on the last cin drive for a td?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Last years team was better than this years team,even Stevie Wonder can see that,and it was wayyyy more interesting and fun to watch us play.Now this product we have on the field now is like ecoli mixed with salmonella….”SICKENING”
November 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
This is just the perfect storm of dogschyyyt.
Dogschyyt owner left a roster full of turds, contracts that were insane and salary cap in a mess.
Dutchboy owner hired the first GM he interviewed.
GM hires an unknown as a head coach, who proceeds to hire a known pos oc who then decides to destroy the o-line.
Sadly, we are seeing the results of a lot of bad decisions by a lot of different people.
Infuriating!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
jfb…serious they will not be favored unless da is gone. There is nothing that you can point at to prove that…
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Name your price, we will be favored against KC. Vegas cares nothing about coaches. When coaches are fired mid-week, point spreads don’t move.
If McCoy is in the game next week, we will be favored as well. Weeden, 2 point underdogs.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Oakland Raiders News @RaiderNewsFlash
Report:Dennis Allen took over Defense play calling…
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Makes sense. The defense looked much better in the second half.
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That is VERY interesting. The defense really picked it up in the second half until they ran into that lousy officiating and lost it.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
1) Instead of letting seymours contract expire next year, reggie restructured so when we cut seymour next year it costs us 6 million towards our cap
2) BRIESEL 20 mil contract signing is one of the worst ever, when’s hes cut next year it will cost us 2.7 million to our cap
3)Franchising Branch was a headscratcher, but signing him to a long term contract was insane
4) bartell no ints since 2008- enough said
5) drafting a 26year OL who cant beat out Willie Smith -hmm
I have no confidence in Reggie, he’ll get his chance but no excuses in 2013
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1) he will almost certainly have to trade down. I think the only real impact player is Keenan Allen of Cal, then Demontre Moore. – I dont know if Moore is just having a good year at Texas A&M.
I broke down one draft with Raiders trading 2 times and McFadden
1 (swap spots) Johnathan Banks, CB, Mississippi St.
2 (in the McFadden trade to Atl) Jessie Williams, DT, Alabama
3 Ezekiel “Ziggy” Ansah, DE, BYU
4 Bacarri Rambo, S, Georgia
5 (acquired via trade) Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford
5 Everett Dawkins, DT, Florida St.
6 Corey Fuller, WR, VaTech
7 Braden Hughes, OG, BYU
FA
Victor Butler, LB,
Nnamdi Asomugha,CB (in at vet minimum deal realizing his mistake to leave)
Charlie Peprah, S
Sterling Moore, CB
Chris Ivory, RB
Connor Barwin, OLB/DE, Houston
2)
November 25th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
What time is the draft? Maybe Tedford will come aboard and help the offense.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
not too sure about that jfb but rhey wont win again this season…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Shaughnessy and Bryant will be fined for their punches as well.
I expect Kelly to be suspended four games for coming off the bench in that brawl; Houston 2 games, Bryant & Shaughnessy one game.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
the defense looked good , bc the bengals were up big and relaxed..thats it..
November 25th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Eric Reid LSU free safety. Leave Huff at corner. All draft boards have us taking an edge rusher though.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Twocents Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Do we have a great offensive line? Does DHB make great catches? Do we have playmakers on defense? Do we have a pass rush. Can we stop the run?
We only have a few genuine NFL caliber players.
Thinking that last years team was on the way to greatness is idiocy.
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That two cents right there is worth at least a buck.
Al-and I loved the guy-didn’t do well with picking personnel in the last ten years.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Nobody will be suspended.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Mark Davis found Reggie on a camping trip in Africa.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
McFadden doesn’t like the ZBS so go with that. Build a system around your players, not the other way around.
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Reece > McFadden
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Reece is not keyed on and is slow enough to let the blocking develop
It goes to show how he should have been complimenting DMC all along. These guys don’t use their talent well. For example, we all know DHB has poor hands. You throw him a screen like on the first play, let him catch an easy one, and his confidence builds and he will catch more than he drops. Plus, it makes the DB play a little closer to the line.
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All DHB does his drop some, then come back and make GREAT PLAYS.
Dude, along with Carson Palmer have more heart than half the team and half of the so called fans here.
DHB got concussed TWICE. Came back, shut his mouth and did his job.
neither of those two are the problem at all.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
not too sure about that jfb but rhey wont win again this season…
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I am sure you hope so.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Mark Davis found Reggie on a camping trip in Africa.
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strangely enough, your mother was found beneath Reggie.
we can troll all day people.
keep it Raider….
November 25th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
228.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Twocents Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Do we have a great offensive line? Does DHB make great catches? Do we have playmakers on defense? Do we have a pass rush. Can we stop the run?
We only have a few genuine NFL caliber players.
Thinking that last years team was on the way to greatness is idiocy.
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That two cents right there is worth at least a buck.
Al-and I loved the guy-didn’t do well with picking personnel in the last ten years.
Last years team was 8-8!! There is nothing you can say about that.Reggie fked this whole thing up and shut up!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
DHB, big heart, bad hands, number 4 WR at best
November 25th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
212….did da stop on the last cin drive for a td?
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Absolutely not. But, coming out in the 3rd qtr I did not see any quit in the defense. I thought they would lay down, but they didn’t.
It’s meaningless though, Reggie is gonna be a busy mo fro this off season trying to figure this sht out.
Not only with the players but with the coaching staff, draft and free agency.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
You want to suck my what Reggie lover?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
If the raiders dont get rid of DA at the end of the season im done as a fan. It was hard enough watching Al Davis ego trip and get in the way of the teams progression but i refuse to put up with mark Davis ineptness. I mean keeping this guy on board is blatant disrespect to the fans, we deserve better.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
The fight?… Those were that best hits our defense scored allday…. Pitiful
November 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
DA has lost this team…
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That is up for debate. 2nd half defense didn’t look that way to me.
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They were up 24 points…Teams don’t have the same intensity at that point
November 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Can someone confirm DA took over play calling?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
233.RaiderSam Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Mark Davis found Reggie on a camping trip in Africa.
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strangely enough, your mother was found beneath Reggie.
we can troll all day people.
keep it Raider….
Fk you!! I’ll fkn bust your as$ pzzy.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Last years team was 8-8!! There is nothing you can say about that.Reggie fked this whole thing up and shut up!
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SFW? 8-8 with no playoffs is no different than 3-13
November 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
The Mack Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
If the raiders dont get rid of DA at the end of the season im done as a fan. It was hard enough watching Al Davis ego trip and get in the way of the teams progression but i refuse to put up with mark Davis ineptness. I mean keeping this guy on board is blatant disrespect to the fans, we deserve better.
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Fire DA
November 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
You guys are so smart yes lets put Terrell Pryor in just because Kaeperknick is doing it in San Francisco.
We have a similar O-Line, our WR’s are most certainly better than the 49ers. We have a better running game than the 49ers and a better defense in case TP6 has too many 3 and outs. Yes I would compare our special teams to the 49ers as well…………YOU GUYS ARE RIGHT TP6 will exel in our super hyped offense way better than Kaepernick ever could in that mediocre 49er team.
That was sarcasm by the way TARDS!!!
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I dont expect TP6 to do great when he gets his chance I just want him to get out there in a real game and get his feet wet, if he does horrible at least he gets some valuable experience, and if he does ok then thats cool too, point is he needs to get out there and get some experience.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
2012 year of excuse, 2013 there are none
November 25th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
RaiderSam Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
The stinking Forty NINERS make us look like a cut rate org. with cut rate ideals.
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This is new?
It’s been this way since I was born.
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You were born in 2003?
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LOL!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
da and reggie are married they both need to go before we lose what little talent westill have…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Can someone confirm DA took over play calling?
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Not confirmed. Someone on twitter reported it. I did see him looking at a play call sheet on the sideline.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
dont get it , we have undrafted Free agents and practice squad players playing but tp6 is inactive.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
THERE IS LIKE 3 PEOPLE LEFT IN HERE THAT SUPPORT REGGIE.Fkn morons have been exposed.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
that is reggie all day loves his practice squad…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
exactly only 3 idiots left…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
243.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Last years team was 8-8!! There is nothing you can say about that.Reggie fked this whole thing up and shut up!
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SFW? 8-8 with no playoffs is no different than 3-13
So you dont know he differance between 8-8 and 3-13?? You are a stupid mthafkr!!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
No disrespect, I like DHBs heart and I like Palmer. Brisiel ain’t worth $20 mil never thought that for a second, so Reggie is as bad with money as Al
November 25th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
The Mack Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
If the raiders dont get rid of DA at the end of the season im done as a fan. It was hard enough watching Al Davis ego trip and get in the way of the teams progression but i refuse to put up with mark Davis ineptness. I mean keeping this guy on board is blatant disrespect to the fans, we deserve better.
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So you will be done as a fan? Did you quit being a fan after the last 10 years? Sorry, if you’re born a Raider fan you just don’t quit being a fan.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
klas is too stupid to add…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Must be great knowing that you can suck at your job and know the job is waiting for you next year.
Didn’t Routt sign a multi years contract with KC?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
jfb…serious they will not be favored unless da is gone. There is nothing that you can point at to prove that…
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Name your price, we will be favored against KC. Vegas cares nothing about coaches. When coaches are fired mid-week, point spreads don’t move.
If McCoy is in the game next week, we will be favored as well. Weeden, 2 point underdogs
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We’re are going to be favored because we’re probably going to beat them.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Raider(since) 1967
NATION – We got so many players hurt, sick, unable, dissable
And lazy that – WE SHOULD BUILT A HOSPITAL NEXT TO THE STADIUM!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
this team cannot beat the chiefs right now…no way. thats how low reggie has brought this team…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Last years team was 8-8!! There is nothing you can say about that.Reggie fked this whole thing up and shut up!
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SFW? 8-8 with no playoffs is no different than 3-13
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Now we are just lying, anyone in ther right mind would take 8-8 over 3-13. What are you a double agent?
Most poeple in the league knows there is a small difference between then team that goes 8-8 and teh one that wins the SB. But when you cna’t win 4 games you have major freakin problems. Stop with the madness!!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
I support McKenzie. He’s done the right thing so far. GMs can’t micromanage. He needs to hold Allen accountable at the end of the season. I don’t have nearly as much faith in Allen, but Allen will likely not be fired. Allen needs to fire the coordinators.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
DA just thought too much of himself and instead of just focusing on the problem…our defense, he meddled in the offense and something he has no clue about and got burnt.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
We need Jarvis Jones in the first and Brandon Jenkins in the 3rd I’m telling you he’s going to be the steal of the draft
November 25th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Brisiel,Spencer,Bartell,Knapp,Allen.All fkn bums. What does that tell the last 3 retards that respect Reggie?They are to fkn stupid to know the differance.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I thought Reggie was a good hire at first. Now I’m concerned. We will probably try to drop down in the draft and pick up a 2nd rounder
November 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Taiwan Jones has been excellent as a special teams gunner, two tackles for loss on punt coverage, made others in previous games.
Reece our best offensive threat. Stewart playing admirable as a 2nd string, just coming off the ps.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
i luv when the guys who support Reggie blame Al , act like they know more than anyone else, and they were the same guys who ran for cover after blasting the semi’s when there was a major concern about the ZBS which DA admitted. Reggie hasnt show any potential to be a good GM yet. yes, I know he has many excuses..I get it. just remember in 2013 there are no excuses
November 25th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Wow…. Gonna need a lot of time to wash this stink off. Major stations just laugh at the ineptitude. Just f’ing laugh at this $hit.
How many times… HOW MANY TIMES does knapp run it or throw short on 3rd and long?!?!! WTF?’?!?!?
They can’t even figure out a couple plays for Taiwan during garbage time to increase trade value?!? Even just to toss him in to sweeten some deal?!?
EPIC FAIL MARK DAVIS
EPIC FAIL REGGIE FAT
EPIC FAIL DENNIS ALLEN
November 25th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
I support McKenzie. He’s done the right thing so far. GMs can’t micromanage. He needs to hold Allen accountable at the end of the season. I don’t have nearly as much faith in Allen, but Allen will likely not be fired. Allen needs to fire the coordinators.
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Only the OC Tarver may be running a Pre-approved def that DA signed off on
November 25th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
if reece is our best offensive threat, then why did it take knapp 10 weeks to give him a carry
November 25th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Miami… Hopefully they focus on the D next year and go back to what worked on the O…the O only needed some tinkering…instead a it’s exploded ….losing is contagious and this teams real sick ..
November 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Allen didn’t say much at halftime — “the players took control” — and Carson Palmer told teammates “flat” performance was “unacceptable”
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Players coaching the Team at this point. Team stop listening to DA. Let Palmer coach the O
November 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
reggie does not know talent…that is the biggest con out there. fumble adams, hanson, lee, spencer, burris….it goes on and on. even norv isbeating the ravens
November 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Your 8-8 teams from last year:
Jets, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, Bears, Eagles, Cowboys.
All brought back their coach but the Raiders, and except for the Bears, all those coaches will be fired at this years end.
Bizarre, but 8-8 is like a nowhere land.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Reggie is a fkn porch monkey.How can he build anything other than a plate of grits?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Last years team was 8-8!! There is nothing you can say about that.Reggie fked this whole thing up and shut up!
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SFW? 8-8 with no playoffs is no different than 3-13
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Now we are just lying, anyone in ther right mind would take 8-8 over 3-13. What are you a double agent?
Most poeple in the league knows there is a small difference between then team that goes 8-8 and teh one that wins the SB. But when you cna’t win 4 games you have major freakin problems. Stop with the madness!!
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Forget the 8-8 number. 1-4 is what we should be talking about. We have 5 games left. If the Raiders finish 1-4 in those 5 games, then there really is no difference.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
McKenzie inherited a mess. You prefer Al to McKenzie? Justify 2003-2011. Give McKenzie more than a year.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Your 8-8 teams from last year:
Jets, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, Bears, Eagles, Cowboys.
All brought back their coach but the Raiders, and except for the Bears, all those coaches will be fired at this years end.
Bizarre, but 8-8 is like a nowhere land.
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Exactly
November 25th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
if reece is our best offensive threat, then why did it take knapp 10 weeks to give him a carry
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He was too busy creating a career high for him in receptions.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
McKenzie inherited a mess. You prefer Al to McKenzie? Justify 2003-2011. Give McKenzie more than a year.
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2013 no excuses
November 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I honestly HOPE this team goes 3-13 and loses every game…badly.
Don’t care if it improves anything or not in 2013 but I WANT A FULL ON HOUSE CLEANING. One thing is clear (90% of) the players and ALL the current coaches are NOT the answer.
Today’s reality (re-run of previous realities in weeks past)
Fact: They come out SOFT and end up down 24-0. No D. No effort. NO Nothing.
Fact: Then, MAGICALLY after 1/2 time they ‘decide’ to play a little defense for a little while. MIRAGE…
Fact: A team that INSTANTANEOUSLY turns it on or off at will = one that has MAILED IT IN. There is simply no other (logical) explanation.
Fact: AFTER the game, all I see is VERY happy Raiders hamming it up with select Bengals (This is a weekly occurrence, including at times D0A, their H(D)ead coach.) Wonderful.
You make 500K+ and you can’t seem to give it 1000% EVERY play? This team is pure unadulterated joke.
That includes the “coaching” (term used comically) staff, GM and owner.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
276.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Your 8-8 teams from last year:
Jets, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, Bears, Eagles, Cowboys.
All brought back their coach but the Raiders, and except for the Bears, all those coaches will be fired at this years end.
Bizarre, but 8-8 is like a nowhere land.
Typical.All the playoff predictors and Reggie lovers pull other teams stats out of there as$ because thats all they got left.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
No doubt 2013 has no excuses.
I don’t think anyone is saying that.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Agreed. 2013 no excuses. I the team does not take a major step forward, then McKenzie blew it.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
if reece is our best offensive threat, then why did it take knapp 10 weeks to give him a carry
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He was too busy creating a career high for him in receptions.
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oh so that justifies him completely missing the boat on giving him the ball when our run game was horrible.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Reggie isn’t going anywhere, nor are the dmb fcks on here with the racist remarks.
SMH
November 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
2013 MY AS$.Fire that oranga now!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Raider(since)1967
You know we were getting beat so halariously funny.
That Hue JACKSON WAS LAUGHING IN THE SIDELINES,
AND “OFFER US TO LICK HIS ARMPITS” FOR A CONSOLATION
PRIZE!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Reggie screwed the pouch.
Reggie must go.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I will never root for the Raiders to lose.
Moving up a few spots in the draft will not benefit us more than finish a season strong with some momentum.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Its not a guarentee DA will be back next year.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Oakofsh1t, Reggie isn’t going anywhere so shut the f*ck up.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
288.MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Reggie isn’t going anywhere, nor are the dmb fcks on here with the racist remarks.
SMH
Yes he is,and so are you.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I really effed up not starting Beanie Wells today.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
pull other teams stats out of there as$
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Not out of my azz, a 30 second google search is not that hard to do.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
I THOUGHT bottoming out occurred in 2006 and this franchise was on the rise. Forget it folks. Not only is this year done, count out the next FEW years before this a55hat organization gets back to even being MEDIOCRE.
After 10+ years I’m going on vacation. S1CK OF PLAYERS NOT CARING and management UNABLE to field a good (heck, DECENT) product. I am simply NOT up for 5 more year of re-building after 10+ years of DISSSSAAAAAASSSTTTEER.
Of course the term ‘re-building’is insane since you cant REBUILD when you START with 10 yrs of rubble, can you?
Whats even MORE maddening is the NFL is socialistic at its heart. Worst get best picks, all teams throttled with a real salary cap. ITS HARD to 5UCK forever. We should be ‘proud’ that this DUMPSTER FIRE of a franchise has bucked that seemingly impossibility!
The Sad -REAL- reality is, outside of a Chucky rehire this place is going to be a fan/player/team HOT FERMENTING GARBAG3 repository for years on end.
I’ve certainly seen enough already to KNOW that our D3AD COACH, D0A, is not the answer. Reggie? Who knows. Not willing to sit around giving him/this pile of manure another 5 years of my Sundays to find out.
Me? I haven’t missed ONE game since 1996 (since I got my DirecTV here in Miami). I am for the 1st time in 15yrs boycotting the rest of this season.
I need a mental break from this DISSSAAAASSSTER masquerading as a team.
And pre-emptive “PHUQ-0FF” to anyone saying I’m not a real fan. The sad truth is that I’m TOO MUCH of a fan. It KILLS me watching this liqui-krappe week end week out. I care wayyy TOO much is the reality. This is like any addiction. Time to cut the cord and spend Sunday afternoons with people/things that matter (vs SCREAMING at my TV week in week out for a bunch of COMPLETER LOSERS/CHECK CASHERS).
I hope I am able to come back as a casual fan with some perspective at some point.
This sh!t, right now is just too painful/awful to keep watching over and over and over and over, with the SAME GUARANTEED T0ILET BOWL outcome.
I am not an AL D worshipper like some but I am betting even he is tired of this sad a55 product from wherever he is watching.
Thoroughly sickening to the core…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Who do you guys think Mark Davis confides in?? Is it Amy Trask?
Also, I’m an LSU grad and I watch every LSU game. Eric Reid is decent. Not great. Big hitter, but have seen him take some horrible angles. Could very well turn out to be a great NFL Safety though. I think a 1st rd pick is a stretch for Reid.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
@284…because they need anything to divert attention from the product on the field
November 25th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Allen didn’t say much at halftime — “the players took control” — and Carson Palmer told teammates “flat” performance was “unacceptable”
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Players coaching the Team at this point. Team stop listening to DA. Let Palmer coach the O
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I suspected as much.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
294.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Oakofsh1t, Reggie isn’t going anywhere so shut the f*ck up.
He will be fired and he can than show you how to use a food stamp jackass
November 25th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
DA isn’t even a good DC, time for Mark to get on his knees in front of Gruden.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
These coaches are idiots and Reggie hasn’t shown anything yet that makes me think he is a good gm. He hired da which was the worst decision he could have made just because he’s an egomaniac and wanted “his guy”. Then he gets bartell and spencer to be our starting corners and releases DVD and checkwa and replaced them with corners who can’t be any better but are way older with no chance to improve. He gets rid of barksdale for Willie smith and bergstrem who couldn’t beat out Willie smith. Also what is the point of keeping guys the coaches won’t even use. Why is Taiwan jones on the team if he can’t get on the field with our top 2 rbs out. Why isn’t ausberry ever in the game. Why is it so hard to find a capable kick returner we could have had trindon Holliday on waivers? He better hit on this next draft or he will be a complete failure as a gm
November 25th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
No doubt 2013 has no excuses.
I don’t think anyone is saying that.
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i hope your right bc i can hear the reggie supporters still taking about cap issues and draft picks needing time. we are under the cap, have a high 1st rounder,,there are no excuses the colts went 2-14 , lost manning and are going to make the playoffs. i dont want to hear excuses that it takes 5 years..not in the NFL
November 25th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden is washed up. Time for David Shaw.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Mark should start the interview process today. First call Gruden, then Chip Kelly.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Fk Reggie and his supporters
November 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Reggie must draft best edge pass rusher available, unless Notre Dame’s mlb still on the board.
Reggie should’ve simply gutted all bad contacts, Seymour did make the probowl, Kelly had his best year, Palmer legit starter-just not worth a 1st round draft choice.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
offensive line coaches should be fired, ST coaches should be fired, Dline coaches should be fired. I would give DA one more year to correct his mistakes, and the biggest mistake was hiring Knapp, I also understand that he didnt have much time to get his staff together but he wont have that excuse next year. What concerns me most about DA is he is supposed to be a def coach but the D is just as bad as last year. Tarver may be a good coach but lacks exp and with the type of D we have we need an exp DC. The Nation will be watching closely this offseason to see what moves DA and RM make, like somebody else said no excuses in 2013, your pass has been used.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Not a fair comparision with the Colts, they picked 4 guys before we picked 1, and picked 6 guys before we picked our second guy this last draft.
You don’t need 5 years, but you do need a complete offseason of resources.
We did not have that.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
I’m on board for Shaw.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
First call Gruden, then Chip Kelly.
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What do we do after those 45 seconds are over?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
306.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden is washed up. Time for David Shaw.
About time you started back tracking. One more proven idiot down
November 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Al Saunders should be named interim HC / OC for the rest of the year. Go after Gruden or Chip Kelly in the offseason. Reggie should be put on Notice for 2013.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
The carson trade was bad because this team was not ready to win now.
Those level headed fans knew this.
You Playstation fans and USC followers wouldnt/couldnt see that.
We have no talent, despite Priest’s devotion to them. DHB is no AJ Green, Lamarr Houston is no JJ Watt, Huff is no Ed Reed, McClain is no patrick willis. Vets like kelly, seymour and Branch are paid top dollar but are average on their BEST days and horrible on all others
November 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
SJSURaider (19yr19fan) Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
These coaches are idiots and Reggie hasn’t shown anything yet that makes me think he is a good gm. He hired da which was the worst decision he could have made just because he’s an egomaniac and wanted “his guy”. Then he gets bartell and spencer to be our starting corners and releases DVD and checkwa and replaced them with corners who can’t be any better but are way older with no chance to improve. He gets rid of barksdale for Willie smith and bergstrem who couldn’t beat out Willie smith. Also what is the point of keeping guys the coaches won’t even use. Why is Taiwan jones on the team if he can’t get on the field with our top 2 rbs out. Why isn’t ausberry ever in the game. Why is it so hard to find a capable kick returner we could have had trindon Holliday on waivers? He better hit on this next draft or he will be a complete failure as a gm
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Holla!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Indy drafted Luck and retained Wayne.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Here comes GRuden!! If you dont like it just let me know biches
November 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
First call Gruden, then Chip Kelly.
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What do we do after those 45 seconds are over?
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You set up a press conference and introduce the next Raiders HC.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Someone better tell knapp and DA there is more than one TE on the team.
In fact you can actually use 2 at the same time occasionally. F’ING AYE!!!
Otherwise just use the roster spot for someone who might play.
No way this team hasn’t quit on DA and Co. yet.
Good luck getting Free Agents to want to come here next year without paying top dollar. Course with Reggie his fat twin and fat Joey C they won’t know who to get anyway.
I need to switch teams. What a waste of time.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Agreed. 2013 no excuses. I the team does not take a major step forward, then McKenzie blew it.
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You guys can’t see this team aint making a major step forward under this management?
OK! wait and see what happens the rest of the year ugly hasn’t even shoown her face yet. This team is headed for the dumpster and that is unacceptable. It doesn’t atke a genius to get a win here or there it takes leadership and there is none. Think what you want but this is just a preview of what is to come…….period
November 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Raider(since) 1967
WE CAN STILL MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!
PLAYOFF, PLAYOFFS–Yeah but not this year in 2015 !
*PLAYOFFS* ????
November 25th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Allen Is a disaster this year
Palmer is a basket case 2 years running.
I Would be floored if tp6 isn’t taking snaps after the next loss
Carson has been exposed as a fraud
November 25th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
I would love Gruden, but thinking that is even a plausible scenario is the height of stupidity.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Oakofsh1t, Reggie isn’t going anywhere so shut the f*ck up.
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The people who think Mark’s going to fire Reggie and bring in Gruden are the same kinds of people who read Deepak Chopra, believe in crystals and new-agey woo-woo, and/or lay hands on people and “heal” them. They believe exciting make-believe to the boring old reality. And the reality is that this rebuild is going to be a long, slow slog. Nothing else works in the NFL.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Funny, Reggie still won’t have a full draft in 2013 thanks to the former regime.
No 2nd, and I think no 5th thanks to Curry.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
306.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden is washed up. Time for David Shaw.
About time you started back tracking. One more proven idiot down
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I support Reggie. I don’t support Dennis Allen. He hasn’t shown anything yet that indicates he’s going to get it done.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
I would love Gruden, but thinking that is even a plausible scenario is the height of stupidity.
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Gruden? No thanks. Mediocre coach to start with, and no NFL coach since the 1950s has been successful returning to his former team. Not one.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Fug off norco Bob.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
I saw Ausberry and Myers on the field at the same time of one first down sack.
Palmer was sacked by the time Ausberry completed his route.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
What a joke. DA has his head firmly planted. and has not an effing clue. This is worse than the Art Shell year. What an embarrassment for the team and it’s fans. Just had to get that donkey ass out here to drive this team into the dirt, huh?
All progress made with Cable and Hue just got flushed down the toilet. Start all over. SMH.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Funny, Reggie still won’t have a full draft in 2013 thanks to the former regime.
No 2nd, and I think no 5th thanks to Curry.
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SHHHH! The Hue Jackson supporters are trying to tell us those trades are Reggie’s fault, too.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
325.Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
I would love Gruden, but thinking that is even a plausible scenario is the height of stupidity.
Its pretty plausible
November 25th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
333.RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Funny, Reggie still won’t have a full draft in 2013 thanks to the former regime.
No 2nd, and I think no 5th thanks to Curry.
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SHHHH! The Hue Jackson supporters are trying to tell us those trades are Reggie’s fault, too.
========================================== UT oh,here comes cok breath to tell us its ok to be 3-8.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I saw Lechler laughing with Andy Dalton after the game. Why aren’t you guys ripping into him?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Its pretty plausible
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No it is not.
He gets $5 million a year currently, and turns down waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better jobs than this one, annually.
Coaching the Oakland Raiders in a horrendous stadium with one year left of a lease and no shovels in the ground, might be the worst coaching job in all of sports.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Not a fair comparision with the Colts, they picked 4 guys before we picked 1, and picked 6 guys before we picked our second guy this last draft.
You don’t need 5 years, but you do need a complete offseason of resources.
We did not have that.
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besides luck only 1 out of the other 3 contribute.remember we took Wheeler from them too. i will not pass final judgement on reggie till 2013, but right now, im not impressed
November 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
We’re still blaming Al Davis in here, huh? LOL. Al Davis had a .500 team when he passed and on the upswing. We’re now seeing our Raiders asses used as mops on a weekly basis and we’re blaming Al? GTFOH!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
And here comes Oakfoshow, the Internet Tough Guy! Watch out everyone, or he’ll…he’ll…he’ll…say some mean things and then run away and spank it!
He really is a waste of life.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Its not just the raggedy players to be sure. DA is a straight up clown and can’t get the team prepped to @ least compete. Any team with professionals should compete. He needs to be fired as soon as possibLe.
Greg Knapp is a clown. No record of success and fired from several teams. This freekn love and fascination with 49er WCO ball has to go. DMAC should be dominant. This crappy offense has to go.
If I am Reggie, go hire Kevim Gilbride. Now the Giants play ball the right way!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
besides luck only 1 out of the other 3 contribute
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Draft picks are like sales calls. You got to get out the no’s to get to the yes’s.
Having limited picks, gives you limited odds to find the quality pick.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Another thing what is DA even doing? What is his job because he doesn’t call the offense and he hasn’t called the defense until this game I guess and he doesn’t even motivate the team. Why are we at halftime down 24-0 and he doesn’t feel the need to say much. An even bigger red flag is that Carson and the players felt that they had to do all the talking at halftime. They obviously don’t believe in DA or respect him and are taking the team into their own hands.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Funny, Reggie still won’t have a full draft in 2013 thanks to the former regime.
No 2nd, and I think no 5th thanks to Curry.
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here we go, excuses for 2013 start rolling in already
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Oakfoshow,
You wait the whole week til the game rolls around to pounce on the loss and regurgitate the exact nonsense you did last week. You really get a kick out of being right for once in your life? lol This is your favorite team thats getting embarassed every week, you know…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Harbaugh will have to go back to Alex Smith with his tail tucked between his legs soon enough.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
339.Try Some Reality Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
We’re still blaming Al Davis in here, huh? LOL. Al Davis had a .500 team when he passed and on the upswing. We’re now seeing our Raiders asses used as mops on a weekly basis and we’re blaming Al? GTFOH!
Dude thats typical around here,bunch of morons
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Not exactly many rookies in contention for roy after Bergstrom’s selection.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
We’re still blaming Al Davis in here, huh? LOL. Al Davis had a .500 team when he passed and on the upswing. We’re now seeing our Raiders asses used as mops on a weekly basis and we’re blaming Al? GTFOH!
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Sure, because Al saddled this team with a bunch of mismatched parts, ridiculous contracts and crippling trades (example: the Pats used our 2011 first-round to pick OT Nate Solder, who would be a HUGE upgrade over Barnes), and left no plan for when he died other than “Uh…Mark’ll take over, I guess.”
November 25th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I still blame Al Davis. It’s gonna take a couple a years to remove his stench from the team.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I must get my piece of the action here, winter is coming and the Silver & Black are regressing at an alarming rate. Knapp is not the OC that was promised. R-DMC has been supplanted by 45 and may be trade bait for picks [and suddenly out of Oak-town plays 16 games on a Superbowl team]The necessity to strip down this team will start with starting Terrell Pryor to see if he can be effective against real action not preseason action. Ausberry must also play. The discipline has to be turned up and hard ….these players are supposedly Pro football players yet seemingly do not respect the privilege of playing in the NFL….draft a couple of ND Fighting Irish hell Reggie likes former GB players trade for Matt Flynn he’s not going start in Seattle.
I am rather disappointed and yet bleed silver&black I hope a victory in the Cleveland game can lead to a victory over Denver at least that would be 5 wins
Sad, just sad
November 25th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Its not just the raggedy players to be sure. DA is a straight up clown and can’t get the team prepped to @ least compete. Any team with professionals should compete. He needs to be fired as soon as possibLe.
Greg Knapp is a clown. No record of success and fired from several teams. This freekn love and fascination with 49er WCO ball has to go. DMAC should be dominant. This crappy offense has to go.
If I am Reggie, go hire Kevim Gilbride. Now the Giants play ball the right way!
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Nice to see someone with a brain in here. Good post.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Oakfoshow,
You wait the whole week til the game rolls around to pounce on the loss and regurgitate the exact nonsense you did last week. You really get a kick out of being right for once in your life? lol This is your favorite team thats getting embarassed every week, you know…
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If the Raiders were doing well, he’d have no reason to exist.
Not that he has one now, but still…
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Gruden lightning the torch last week signaled the beginning of the end for DA.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Anyone watching the Niners game? Alex Smith has his helmet on praying for a shot. Like maybe he’ll trip and break his leg…..lol
Alex you’ll get your chance again but this time don’t game manage play for keeps……………naw then again you’re toast.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I want to see an animated GIF of that Barnes play where he is just standing there.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
you can blame Al for not having a transition plan.i mean he looked like death for years.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
CP3 is doing a dam god job considering what he is working with, the team would be winless if JC was QB.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
345.MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Oakfoshow,
You wait the whole week til the game rolls around to pounce on the loss and regurgitate the exact nonsense you did last week. You really get a kick out of being right for once in your life? lol This is your favorite team thats getting embarassed every week, you know…
Hey ya fkn jackass,ive been bchin about it since the day DA was hired.If I was happy I wouldnt be calling you Reggie supporters idiots right now. and SHUT UP greasy.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
cmon quack what is it today?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Knapp is the worst OC I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
More regression this week, wonder what Mark Davis is thinking.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Gruden lightning the torch last week signaled the beginning of the end for DA.
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Good grief. Gruden is NOT coming back, people. John Madden and Marcus Allen have also lit the torch. You think they’re coming back, too???
November 25th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Kirk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Knapp is the worst OC I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
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No he isn’t. Tom Walsh was the worst.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
353.RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Oakfoshow,
You wait the whole week til the game rolls around to pounce on the loss and regurgitate the exact nonsense you did last week. You really get a kick out of being right for once in your life? lol This is your favorite team thats getting embarassed every week, you know…
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If the Raiders were doing well, he’d have no reason to exist.
Not that he has one now, but still…
================================================ Hide your kids,the child molester is here.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
tom walsh > greg knapp
November 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
We’re still blaming Al Davis in here, huh? LOL. Al Davis had a .500 team when he passed and on the upswing. We’re now seeing our Raiders asses used as mops on a weekly basis and we’re blaming Al? GTFOH!
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Sure, because Al saddled this team with a bunch of mismatched parts, ridiculous contracts and crippling trades (example: the Pats used our 2011 first-round to pick OT Nate Solder, who would be a HUGE upgrade over Barnes), and left no plan for when he died other than “Uh…Mark’ll take over, I guess.”
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And yet the team was 8-8. Every single year there was talk of cap issues and every single year Al managed it. Newsflash, folks. Free agency didn’t start just a few years ago.
Not saying Al was perfect. Far from it. We had quite a drought here. But to blame an absolute nose-dive of this team from last year to this on a man that is no longer with us is a little screwy, don’t you think?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Kirk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Knapp is the worst OC I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
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No he isn’t. Tom Walsh was the worst.
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How?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Gruden lightning the torch last week signaled the beginning of the end for DA.
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Good grief. Gruden is NOT coming back, people. John Madden and Marcus Allen have also lit the torch. You think they’re coming back, too???
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What proof do you have that the move is not imminent ?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Crap on the Raiders….?
Everyone craps on the Raiders!!
November 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
When your GM drafts crappy players at #1, yeah, he deserves some blame.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
raider(since)1967
SERIOUSLY – Can the RAIDERS fire ALLEN?
Is under a contract, well?
What about GRUDEN, Is it possible?
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Not exactly many rookies in contention for roy after Bergstrom’s selection.
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That’s because Luck and RGIII will win it.
Alfred Morris is doing fine, and lots of mid round picks litered amongst the leaders.
http://www.nfldraftseason.com/the-nfl-rookie-report/nfl-rookie-round-up/
November 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
cmon quack what is it today?
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Not sure what “it” you’re referring to. This was an embarrassing, disgraceful loss in an even more embarrassing losing streak. But firing Reggie and DA wouldn’t help, and would certainly make things worse. We’re going to have to ride out the season and wait until all those underperforming slug players (DMac, Seymour, Kelly, McClain, Brisiel, etc) are jettisoned along with Pollack, Hoffman, Williams and a few other assistants.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Eastoaklandraider,
The Raiders could’ve gone 3-13 with JC and saved 10 mil and the draft picks.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Mark Davis needs to sell.
Can you imagine his growing up in his fathers shadow? He has no clue. For football or haircuts. His father told him what to do for everything.
Even after the old man dies Mark can’t make a decision. He’ll just ask two old men who to hire and they will tell him.
That’s how it’s been his whole life.
Rookie Owner, Rookie GM, Rookie Coach, Rookie Player Personnel
November 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Seen RAIDERDUCK on how to catch a predator recently.Gonna call his parol officer and tell him he’s useing the internet again.Which is strictly forbidden for all child molesters.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Funny, Reggie still won’t have a full draft in 2013 thanks to the former regime.
No 2nd, and I think no 5th thanks to Curry.
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here we go, excuses for 2013 start rolling in already
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Not making excuses, just pointing out a fact. Everyone thinks that Reg should be able to rebuild this team with a back to back half ass draft.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Reggie is the all to end all. I’m still on the fence with him.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
the thing that bothers me the most is the decline of our offensive line. i thought after last year we were set for awhile. then knapp came along and brought with him the worst OL signing in our history- briesel.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Anyone defending Al in the stretch from 2003-2011 just to say Reggie sucks is beyond ridiculous. Say Reggie sucks if you think he sucks. What do say about the GM from 2003-2011? Those were good years to you?
November 25th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Reece breaks tackles, keeps his balance when being hit; McFadden falls down or gets dinged when he gets touched by 170 lb db.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
What proof do you have that the move is not imminent?
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It’s not up to me to give proof that something ISN’T happening. You have to show that it IS.
Let me put it another way: What proof do you have that pink elephants aren’t to start flying around O.co next weekend?
Hey man, it could happen.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
369.boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Gruden lightning the torch last week signaled the beginning of the end for DA.
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Good grief. Gruden is NOT coming back, people. John Madden and Marcus Allen have also lit the torch. You think they’re coming back, too???
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What proof do you have that the move is not imminent ?
Your talking to a guy who sniffs little boys britches dude,you should be ashamed of yourself.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor Twitter.
I HATE LOSING!
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Pryor wants to play. Let the young man with fire/desire earn his stripes. Y is Knapp and DA keeping Al davis last draft pick down.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Seen RAIDERDUCK on how to catch a predator recently.Gonna call his parol officer and tell him he’s useing the internet again.Which is strictly forbidden for all child molesters.
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No, that was Oakfoshow. He was caught being @nally copulated by a sheep whilst saying “Oh…drippy lip. OH…drippy lip. OH, REGGIE…DRAFT ME!”
November 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Btw Jon Gruden and Mark Davis spent 3 days together last week. What you think they were talking about? not the torch lighting thats forsure.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Twocents Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
There is no question that the Raiders are not a good team. But to have their best plays negated by officiating, year after year, is not a coincidence.
Why doesn’t the NFL just throw them out of the league, it would be better for all concerned.
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Are you crying?
There is no crying in football.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I say let Pryor play just show everyone what we’re NOT missing. TP will never be a good NFL qb.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
If Hue hasn’t made the trade for Palmer and stuck with Boller you know beyond a doubt their would be people in here complaining that Hue tanked the season……I don’t think anybody thought the Raiders could possibly be as bad as they are now
November 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Btw Jon Gruden and Mark Davis spent 3 days together last week. What you think they were talking about? not the torch lighting thats forsure.
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Who knows? They’re old friends. At any rate, Gruden proved a thoroughly mediocre coach with the Bucs. We don’t need him back.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
and Carson Palmer will never be a good NFL qb
November 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
the thing that bothers me the most is the decline of our offensive line. i thought after last year we were set for awhile. then knapp came along and brought with him the worst OL signing in our history- briesel.
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Now that I agree 100%
November 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Gruden is not that great a coach and some thought he held the team back when he was here, its no coincidence the offense took off after he left, and its no coincidence TB got worse a year after he took over, and after he was fired nobody wanted to touch him, but now that he’s a big shot on MNF and he breaks down some qb film he’s a great coach.
November 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Pryor should keep doing what he has been doing,sitting and learning.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Kirk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Kirk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Knapp is the worst OC I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
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No he isn’t. Tom Walsh was the worst.
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How?
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2006 Tom Walsh scored 168 pts ranked #32 in the NFL
2012 Greg Knapp has already scored 208 pts
Also, the Raiders are currently ranked #10 in the NFL in offense.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
For the record, I think Hue did a good job last year and I don’t blame him for making the trade for Palmer. Boller was not the answer.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Funny, Reggie still won’t have a full draft in 2013 thanks to the former regime.
No 2nd, and I think no 5th thanks to Curry.
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here we go, excuses for 2013 start rolling in already
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Not making excuses, just pointing out a fact. Everyone thinks that Reg should be able to rebuild this team with a back to back half ass draft.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying that Reggie is the all to end all. I’m still on the fence with him.
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ok but please keep in mind our 3rd rounder is almost like a 2nd rounder because of how bad we are finishing. 3 years ago , the raider draft was ranked number 1. if i remember correctly when they redrafted that put 5 of our guys in the first round. i get solid drafting is the foundation, but a gm has to be capable in the free agent market, and in making trades. i hope like everyone else that reggie is capable. im tired of seeing teams laughing at us
November 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
“we” dont need him back? I bet Mark Needs him back. You right, you dont know what was discussed.
So you cant say forsure if Mark hasnt talked to Jon about anything
November 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I say let Pryor play just show everyone what we’re NOT missing. TP will never be a good NFL qb.
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He was singularly unimpressive in the preseason. Great athlete, but probably not an NFL QB. Still, there’d be nothing lost at this point by giving him a tryout, unless he’s just completely stinking it up in practice.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Again, someone tell me what kind of production the Raiders got from any of their draft picks from the last 10yrs?
Only Seabass and Lechler play to their grade.
The rest are junk. I include Nnamdi in that group too. No elite players, no difference makers, no tradeable talent. NOTHING!
You can’t trade for a roster of difference makers unless you sellout like Gruden or Hue with that collosal Carson debacle.
Team was junk last year. Defense was pathetic and this so called offense couldn’t score in the 2nd half
November 25th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
omoran Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
raider(since)1967
SERIOUSLY – Can the RAIDERS fire ALLEN?
Is under a contract, well?
What about GRUDEN, Is it possible?
CAN ANYONE ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS?
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Yes! They may have to buy out the contract but he certainly can be fired. AD did it to a number of HC’s. Don’t think Grueden is coming here. He’s most likely ending up in Philly when Andy Reid gets fired at end of the year. Maybe Reid will come here. There’s also a possibility that Marty Shottenheimer ends up at KC. Maybe we can rehire Norv Turner as the new OC. Talk is that HuJack may end up at Cal.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
You have to remember that gruden and Allen had to manage an older TB team withou the use of two first round and two second round picks thanks to the gruden trade. Talk about an uphill battle.
What ever happened to the gm who blew all those picks? Bet he was laughed put of the NFL within a year or two!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Oakfoshow,
You can’t be more than 14 years old or, not a neglected step child of a family of rednecks. You insult everyone for stating an opinion and make racist remarks, which only reflects how low your iq is.
Monkey, porch monkey, child molester, cok breath. thats so middle school bro. lol
November 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Wow. I don’t even know what to say. I’m kinda numb, not really angry. It’s a common feeling that I’m used to having as a raider fan just past midway of every season when I know it’s over. But this season has a different feel, and I really don’t like it.
Most of the last two decades (almost 3 now really) I could at least look forward to next year. Usually Al Davis was to blame. But every once in a while he would make a good move. So I would hope for a good draft class (for a change) or a decent coach that was retained for a few years so he could gain some continuity. Never happened. Had it with Gruden briefly, but Davis couldn’t stand the fact that someone was becoming more important and popular than him, and Gruden couldn’t work with the guy (or Shanahan or Norv or Kiffen, the list of successful coaches post raider goes on and on and on).
So, if your never gonna draft well and your never gonna give a coach a chance, then I started to just wish for Al Davis to die. It wasn’t because I wished him Ill necessarily or his family, but it was clear that he was never going to give up control of the team. And it was only going to get worse (let’s not forget the “fire al” billboards across SoCal). So I would wait year after year for him to die, because as a raider fan there was no way I was ever going to see any success until Al was gone.
And then it happened. Finally. New management. New coaches. New players (sort of). A new stable system would be put in place. A new era of excellence.
But this season, like I said, doesn’t feel like the rest of the failed seasons. It feels like we screwed up in every area. Lets look at RM. chad Kilgore (remember him?) or Burfect? Now, I realize that 30 other teams wish they had burned a 6th or 7th round pick before the bung holes grabbed him as a udfa, but still. When your draft is as thin as ours was (thanks hue and al), you have to be sure you make every pick count. Bergstrom and Burris and Criner might be ok. An we may get lucky w streeter as our own udfa but it needed to be strong from top to bottom, our draft. And it wasn’t.
Briesel? Another complete whiff. Maybe the worst FA acquisition in the league this year. And you know, anyone can miss on a FA (the Mets do it every year) but the problem w the briesel bust is that he was picked up BECAUSE of the intent to move to the ZBS. So a scheme that never should have been implemented because of our lack of coaching experience and lack of talent to fit it, caused a terrible FA pick up. Bartel? Idk, he was I’m position a few times, but most of what I have seen of him this year was not good. Spencer? Who knows. And who cares I guess. Both of these guys were stop gap pick ups. Goodson? Good trade I think. Hanson? People r staying he’s looked good. And he has, sometimes. But he’s got his own issues. There is a reason the eagles let him go. Did anyone see how clueless he was on that 2nd TD todaay? He was in the slot out of position staring at the tight end. Took half a step toward him and suddenly went completely retarded and got caught completely out of position. Horrible. Pat lee? Mishandled from the start. Should have found a way to keep him. Desoto? Idk, but seemed like a waste of time and effort to even bring him in. Curry? Completely mishandled again (I realize some of this may be coaches decisions, get to them in a minute). But the curry situation was a disaster. Let him sit around on PUP. Wait a month to see if he can play. Cut a guy to make room for him. Then cut him two weeks later with no back up plan. What a joke.
This post is long enough, so I won’t go too deep into the coaching, I think a lot has been said already. But knapp trying to fit square pegs into round holes w the ZBS. Allen hired him. Pollard destroying our Oline and chasing big Wiz away? Allen hired him. Hoffman taking apart what was the best special teams in the league (top 5 at least) for the last decade, the only thing raider fans really could hang their hat on for the last decade, basically taking a shlt on it. Allen hired him. I don’t know of Allen has lost the team, we played well in the second half, but he looks lost. And his hires have been TERRIBLE. I haven’t mentioned Tarver, because I really like the way that guy talks and what he has to say, so I’m hoping its a talent issue on defense, but I’m not entirely confident there anymore either, for obvious reasons.
An the players? Enough said….. No playmakers. Confused. Seemingly no heart anymore. Not much to look forward to.
And that finally gets me to my point. I’m not looking forward to next year. Or even the year after it seems. I’m numb, the season is over. But instead of being able to say “there’s always next year” I think I should be saying “there’s always next decade”. There is nothing positive from this year. Even before this disastrous month. Nothing. Not confident in the GM. not confident in the head coach. Have 0 faith in the assistants for the most part. And the players seem to be a joke, and will continue to be so in my eyes until they can show me differently.
This is my favorite team in my favorite sport, hands down. I live for football season. Even my family knows for 3 hours a week 16 games a year I’m a different person. They just stay away (even the ones I have regrettably turned into raider fans, I wish they had known better. To all my children, I apologize for the pain I have caused you by making you raider fans). But I’m seriously, for the first time in my life, picturing myself walking away from this team and the game. I’m thinking about doing it. I’m not giving up yet. But I can PICTURE it. I’ve never done that before. Not in 36 years (I’m 44). But I can picture it. And I wish I could walk away actually.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
396…agree
November 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
hendu Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Fug off norco Bob.
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LOL!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Terrelle Pryor @TerrellePryor Twitter.
I HATE LOSING!
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Pryor wants to play. Let the young man with fire/desire earn his stripes. Y is Knapp and DA keeping Al davis last draft pick down.
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u just answered your own question.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
393.eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Gruden is not that great a coach and some thought he held the team back when he was here, its no coincidence the offense took off after he left, and its no coincidence TB got worse a year after he took over, and after he was fired nobody wanted to touch him, but now that he’s a big shot on MNF and he breaks down some qb film he’s a great coach.
NO,Grudens team won 3 straight afc west titles and close to 3 straight afc championship games if not for something called the tuck rule. Dont be a dumbas$ like Raiderduck
November 25th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Again, someone tell me what kind of production the Raiders got from any of their draft picks from the last 10yrs?
Only Seabass and Lechler play to their grade.
The rest are junk. I include Nnamdi in that group too. No elite players, no difference makers, no tradeable talent. NOTHING!
You can’t trade for a roster of difference makers unless you sellout like Gruden or Hue with that collosal Carson debacle.
Team was junk last year. Defense was pathetic and this so called offense couldn’t score in the 2nd half
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Agreed. We finished 8-8 two straight years because we played in an absolute joke of a division and beat up on the other teams. Are we better this year? Obviously not, but people on this board are acting like Reggie broke up the 1983 Raiders or something.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I hate this phone.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
we will probably get shalacked by the browns. getting a prostate examine sounds more appealing than watching what there putting on the field im just going to make my appointment during the game. That way my butt will hurt from a doctor and not KNAPP”s play calling
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
What proof do you have that the move is not imminent?
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It’s not up to me to give proof that something ISN’T happening. You have to show that it IS.
Let me put it another way: What proof do you have that pink elephants aren’t to start flying around O.co next weekend?
Hey man, it could happen.
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Exactly you have no proof, so don’t say it isn’t happening like you have some kind of insider knowledge. Truth is you don’t know jack. I don’t have proof that he is the next HC but I am not trolling around like you saying it has zero chance of happening.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Eastoaklandraider,
The Raiders could’ve gone 3-13 with JC and saved 10 mil and the draft picks.
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wasnt CP3’s fault they fired Hue.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Oakfoshow,
You can’t be more than 14 years old or, not a neglected step child of a family of rednecks. You insult everyone for stating an opinion and make racist remarks, which only reflects how low your iq is.
Monkey, porch monkey, child molester, cok breath. thats so middle school bro. lol
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Exactly. Oakfoshow reminds of Beavis and Butt-head, but without the underlying maturity and wisdom.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Whedon suffered a concussion today. Raiders might be going against Colt McCoy next week. He’ll probably light us up.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
403.MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Oakfoshow,
You can’t be more than 14 years old or, not a neglected step child of a family of rednecks. You insult everyone for stating an opinion and make racist remarks, which only reflects how low your iq is.
Monkey, porch monkey, child molester, cok breath. thats so middle school bro. lol
================================================= Suk my cok if you dont like it,and show me your greencard if you want an opinion greasy.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
This management/ coach is gonna take 3 years to get back to 8-8
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Sorry, I still think Knapp is the worst OC I have ever seen.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Exactly you have no proof, so don’t say it isn’t happening like you have some kind of insider knowledge. Truth is you don’t know jack. I don’t have proof that he is the next HC but I am not trolling around like you saying it has zero chance of happening.
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Break down what you just said. You admit that neither of us knows anything about the inner workings of the team, but then go on to say that Gruden must be returning because I personally can’t prove he’s not?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
First Raider game I’ve missed in three years. Went mountain biking and dvr’ed it. Caught the score when we were having lunch after.
No need to watch. Glad I missed that fiasco. What a trainwreck this has become.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RaiderDuck,
You are right. I think Tim Tebow led broncos “won” the division last year! LOL
Raiders still couldn’t figure it out.
The only real disappointment I have is the caliber of coaching. DA and staff have to go.
The players haven’t disappointed me at all. Knew they were junk from the start
November 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Last years team wasn’t an 8/8 good team….. It was an 8/8 bad team in a bad division
November 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Exactly.
Touched a nerve?
I can also bet money, you’re overweight with freckles and recently got beat up somewhere in Ocala, Fl.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Oakofsh1t, Reggie isn’t going anywhere so shut the f*ck up.
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The people who think Mark’s going to fire Reggie and bring in Gruden are the same kinds of people who read Deepak Chopra, believe in crystals and new-agey woo-woo, and/or lay hands on people and “heal” them. They believe exciting make-believe to the boring old reality. And the reality is that this rebuild is going to be a long, slow slog. Nothing else works in the NFL.
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Carolina got to the NFC title game in year 3 of their existence.
The Colts went from 2-14 to where they are now with a new GM and an interim coach filling in for 1st yr. coach, and if we say “well that’s becuz of the QB” then you’re saying that ONE player can turn around a team in very short order and in this case it’s a dang rookie.
Sf went from 6-10 to being a fumble away from going to SB the next yr.
Is THAT how it’s done in the NFL?
Good for those teams they didn’t buy into the whole “long, painful process”.
I know SF “already had their defense in place” but WE already OUR offense in place.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Kirk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Sorry, I still think Knapp is the worst OC I have ever seen.
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The problem isn’t Knapp. It’s Frank Pollack and his miserable, pathetic excuse for an o-line. With even an average line, most of our offensive problems instantly vanish.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Again, someone tell me what kind of production the Raiders got from any of their draft picks from the last 10yrs?
Only Seabass and Lechler play to their grade.
The rest are junk. I include Nnamdi in that group too. No elite players, no difference makers, no tradeable talent. NOTHING!
You can’t trade for a roster of difference makers unless you sellout like Gruden or Hue with that collosal Carson debacle.
Team was junk last year. Defense was pathetic and this so called offense couldn’t score in the 2nd half
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Agreed. We finished 8-8 two straight years because we played in an absolute joke of a division and beat up on the other teams. Are we better this year? Obviously not, but people on this board are acting like Reggie broke up the 1983 Raiders or something.
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Hey Quack, nobody said we were the favorites for the Super Bowl, but we knew we are not this bad. Arguing things people don’t say is the sign of losing a debate.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Carolina got to the NFC title game in year 3 of their existence.
The Colts went from 2-14 to where they are now with a new GM and an interim coach filling in for 1st yr. coach, and if we say “well that’s becuz of the QB” then you’re saying that ONE player can turn around a team in very short order and in this case it’s a dang rookie.
Sf went from 6-10 to being a fumble away from going to SB the next yr.
Is THAT how it’s done in the NFL?
Good for those teams they didn’t buy into the whole “long, painful process”.
I know SF “already had their defense in place” but WE already OUR offense in place.
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Don’t confuse him with facts.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
The Chargers O-Line is almost as bad as the Raiders.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
last years 8-8 team was still and 8-8 team.
this years 3-8 team is a worse 3-8 team in a average division.
See how dumb that sounds?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Shouldn’t have to teach tackling ….this team cannot Fk’n tackle …
November 25th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
you can give Reggie credit for getting us under the cap,but all his free agent signings ranged from poor to average. also,he put together a very questionable coaching staff. his moves will result in 11 or 12 losses. yes, he has excuses, but next year there are none. the first decision is to remove one of his biggest mistakes..the two headed monster of greg knapp and breisel. if greg knapp is a raider employee in january then reggie will have already failed
November 25th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Kirk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Sorry, I still think Knapp is the worst OC I have ever seen.
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The problem isn’t Knapp. It’s Frank Pollack and his miserable, pathetic excuse for an o-line. With even an average line, most of our offensive problems instantly vanish.
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Sorry, I disagree. No misdirection, nothing interesting or imaginative. The most predictable offense ever.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
how can u hire a dc that never coached in the nfl?….oh i know…so DA has an excuse as to why we SUCKED so bad …then he fires the dc and gets to coach another year…smart guy if u ask me
November 25th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Looking forward to 2013 Jarvis Jones and Brandon Jenkins should be a good start plus a couple of splash FA.
Honestly at this point i don’t think ANY of the coaching staff is coming back next year includin DA.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Lol at Knapp not being a problem. He is the main problem
November 25th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Hey Quack, nobody said we were the favorites for the Super Bowl, but we knew we are not this bad. Arguing things people don’t say is the sign of losing a debate.
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Maybe you personally were not saying that, but a bunch of people on this board keep saying “WE WERE A DECENT DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR AWAY FROM BEING A SUPER BOWL THREAT!” No, we weren’t. A decent defensive coordinator on last year’s team gets us to 10-6 and blown out by 30 points in whatever playoff game we land in. This was not a fundamentally sound team, and needed to be torn apart. Did any of us think it would get this bad? Of course not, but we’re committed now.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
https://twitter.com/VicTafur
“Hue walks over and hugs his players”
November 25th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
393.eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Gruden is not that great a coach and some thought he held the team back when he was here, its no coincidence the offense took off after he left, and its no coincidence TB got worse a year after he took over, and after he was fired nobody wanted to touch him, but now that he’s a big shot on MNF and he breaks down some qb film he’s a great coach.
NO,Grudens team won 3 straight afc west titles and close to 3 straight afc championship games if not for something called the tuck rule. Dont be a dumbas$ like Raiderduck
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Gruden got us to 1 AFC tittle game, as soon as he’s gone Gannon is MVP, highest ranked O, and we’re in the SB. Then Gruden was lucky enough to go to a team with a great D and once the D declined Gruden was ass out, and fired soon after.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Hey Quack, nobody said we were the favorites for the Super Bowl, but we knew we are not this bad. Arguing things people don’t say is the sign of losing a debate.
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Maybe you personally were not saying that, but a bunch of people on this board keep saying “WE WERE A DECENT DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR AWAY FROM BEING A SUPER BOWL THREAT!” No, we weren’t. A decent defensive coordinator on last year’s team gets us to 10-6 and blown out by 30 points in whatever playoff game we land in. This was not a fundamentally sound team, and needed to be torn apart. Did any of us think it would get this bad? Of course not, but we’re committed now.
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You’re an idiot if you think a 10-6 team would ever need to be torn apart.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Carolina got to the NFC title game in year 3 of their existence.
The Colts went from 2-14 to where they are now with a new GM and an interim coach filling in for 1st yr. coach, and if we say “well that’s becuz of the QB” then you’re saying that ONE player can turn around a team in very short order and in this case it’s a dang rookie.
Sf went from 6-10 to being a fumble away from going to SB the next yr.
Is THAT how it’s done in the NFL?
Good for those teams they didn’t buy into the whole “long, painful process”.
I know SF “already had their defense in place” but WE already OUR offense in place.
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Don’t confuse him with facts.
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Here’s some facts… Colts 2-14 came on the heals of how many straight playoff appearances? Manning goes down, they lose… Legit QB comes in they win AGAIN!
49ers were loaded with talent on both sides of the ball and Alex Smith had an overachieving year. He’s on the BENCH now for a rookie.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
I do like the chip Kelly idea. Tp6 & dmac would be amazing running that version of the spread.
This could save dmac’s career as he would be running inside zone the scheme that he was a star with in college.
This would benifit tp6 as well allowing him to use quick passing out of shotgun & threaten the edge on play action.
Hmmm
November 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Gruden got us to 1 AFC tittle game, as soon as he’s gone Gannon is MVP, highest ranked O, and we’re in the SB. Then Gruden was lucky enough to go to a team with a great D and once the D declined Gruden was ass out, and fired soon after.
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Agreed. He was overrated but I would take him back over DOA…Still hoping for David Shaw personally.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Exactly you have no proof, so don’t say it isn’t happening like you have some kind of insider knowledge. Truth is you don’t know jack. I don’t have proof that he is the next HC but I am not trolling around like you saying it has zero chance of happening.
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Break down what you just said. You admit that neither of us knows anything about the inner workings of the team, but then go on to say that Gruden must be returning because I personally can’t prove he’s not?
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I said that when he lit the torch it signaled DA’s end, not necessarily that Gruden was coming back. The cheers from the fans seing Gruden in silver and black were heard loud and clear. Mark Davis took notice. He saw fans responding to a real coach while inadvertently taking a shot at DA because he is not HC material. I will take my chances with a Gruden led team any day over a clueless DC / HC failure in DA.
Keep hating on Gruden all you want, but he is the only real experienced and proven HC the Raiders have at hiring.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Coaches make a huge impact in this game. Those that want to put all of this on the players are just rationalizing with themselves. Don’t want to believe we made a mistake. DA and this entire staff are lost.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
it doesnt take 5 years in the nfl to rebuild if you have the right gm
November 25th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Raider(since) 1967
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK!
#1- Can ALLEN be fire?
#2- Can GRUDEN really come?
#3- What other COACHES AND ASSISTANT COACHES do want ?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
The Raiders will finally get a thorough pressure washing to this flawed roster. Won’t be any ifs ands or buts about it.
The draft picks the last 10 yrs and the trades of those picks are the reason this team is where it is.
Coaching staff has to be disinfected as well. Get that 49er ball away from my offense!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
quack why would you want to continue this disaster with reggie and Da? there are only 32 coaching positions in the nfl….of which maybe ten are open…velieve me no problem getting a qualified coach anything is better than Danus Allen…there are retired personell men waiting for gm jobs…
November 25th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
You’re an idiot if you think a 10-6 team would ever need to be torn apart.
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If it’s a 10-6 team that goes 6-0 in a ridiculously weak division, beats up on a few other bad teams, but wilts against decent opposition, that’s not a fundamentally sound team. Hue had us squeaking out close wins against everybody we played. His wackiness got us a few wins, but the rest of the league had caught on down the stretch. And his Palmer trade crippled the needed rebuilding effort.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
of course allen can be fired, mark would have to pay extra but he can be fired contract or not.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Whitworth: They were probably looking for a fight because they weren’t doing much on the field.”
this is why something needs to be done
November 25th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Looks like that ‘10 and THEN’ guy may have been right based on what we’ve seen this year. This team looks to be about a decade away. Pure trash.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
quack why would you want to continue this disaster with reggie and Da? there are only 32 coaching positions in the nfl….of which maybe ten are open…velieve me no problem getting a qualified coach anything is better than Danus Allen…there are retired personell men waiting for gm jobs…
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If we go and fire Reggie after one season, no qualified GM candidate will want to come here. Oh sure, we’ll get SOMEBODY to take Mark’s money, but it would be the GM equivalent of a Lane Kiffin or Jim Fassel: either some kid who’s not ready, or some old reject nobody wants. We have to stay the course with Reggie. Nobody in the history of North American professional sports has been saddled with this kind of rebuilding job.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Holmgren is officially out in Cleveland. Reggie is on the horn but Holmgren just laughed “Oakland $ucks – good luck with that mess.”
November 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Blame the United States for having an East Coast, Thats the biggest problem for the Raiders! lol
November 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Whitworth: They were probably looking for a fight because they weren’t doing much on the field.”
Says the guy who started the whole thing to begin with.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
at least houston and kelly had the huevos to stand up for themselves…DA just pulls his pants down and bends over…like mctroll20
November 25th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Lol at Knapp not being a problem. He is the main problem
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Bingo. I have never seen such bad play calling.
Makes Hue Jackson look like a genius.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
miami..so true..lol
November 25th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Kirk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Kirk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Knapp is the worst OC I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
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No he isn’t. Tom Walsh was the worst.
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How?
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2006 Tom Walsh scored 168 pts ranked #32 in the NFL
2012 Greg Knapp has already scored 208 pts
Also, the Raiders are currently ranked #10 in the NFL in offense.
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Tom Walsh in 06 was the worst, BUT he shouldnt have been here in the first place. He was retired and flipping flapjacks. Whats Knapps excuse?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
I would suggest that those on here who want instant gratification find another team to root for.
The new regime is not for you and they are going to be here for awhile.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
I will take the Gruden who was a failure in his latter years in Tampa over DA any day.
At least his teams were competitive.
Gruden would instantly turn around this inept offense.
Mark what are you waiting for????
November 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
quack no way you can convince me that somebody more qualified than either of the two fools we have would jump at the chance…no way.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
quack why would you want to continue this disaster with reggie and Da? there are only 32 coaching positions in the nfl….of which maybe ten are open…velieve me no problem getting a qualified coach anything is better than Danus Allen…there are retired personell men waiting for gm jobs…
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. Nobody in the history of North American professional sports has been saddled with this kind of rebuilding job.
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Cue the f**ing drama queen.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
I’d like Shaw as well……. Gruden isn’t coming back
November 25th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Twocents Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
I would suggest that those on here who want instant gratification find another team to root for.
The new regime is not for you and they are going to be here for awhile.
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Are you Mark Davis? If not, pi$$ off.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
I’m afraid Wheeler won’t return.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Tom Walsh didn’t have Carson Palmer.
He had Aaron Rodgers.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
I tell you “the history of North America!”
November 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
quack no way you can convince me that somebody more qualified than either of the two fools we have would jump at the chance…no way.
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There are only 32 GM jobs in the world. I’m sure if a prospective candidate had done what Reggie did, he would give a pass to Mark for firing him.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Some of you fakeassfans stated a year ago that Reggie inherited a mess, and that will take a couple of years to get back to respectability.
Now those same ones are saying fire the GM, like he had so many options.
And ya, you same fakeassbiches also touted DA as a young and tough prospect fora HC.
Now you also switched.
Bunchof whineyass women.
wahhhhhh….fire DA….wahhhhhhh fire Reg.. wahhhhhhhh
November 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Bring back Gruden.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Twocents… Agree… This team isn’t a one year fix
November 25th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Maybe you personally were not saying that, but a bunch of people on this board keep saying “WE WERE A DECENT DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR AWAY FROM BEING A SUPER BOWL THREAT!” No, we weren’t. A decent defensive coordinator on last year’s team gets us to 10-6 and blown out by 30 points in whatever playoff game we land in. This was not a fundamentally sound team, and needed to be torn apart. Did any of us think it would get this bad? Of course not, but we’re committed now.
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If Hue was still here, yes I believe we would be SB contenders this year. Hues O would have only gotten better this year and the D would be better because Hue would have gotten a proven DC just like he got us a proven QB. NE doesnt have a good D and neither does Balt or GB but they are considered SB contenders so why wouldnt we be? with Hue we’d be at least 8-3 at this point a game better than the 7-4 we were at this point last year but with Cp3 in the O thru mini camps and training camp this year our O wound be elite imo.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
reggie’s mistake was either rebuilding but acting like we werent rebuilding or not knowing we were rebuilding. 1 more year reggie, thats it unless you step up
November 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
1 year fix= niners, colts….it can be done
November 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
quack why would you want to continue this disaster with reggie and Da? there are only 32 coaching positions in the nfl….of which maybe ten are open…velieve me no problem getting a qualified coach anything is better than Danus Allen…there are retired personell men waiting for gm jobs…
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. Nobody in the history of North American professional sports has been saddled with this kind of rebuilding job.
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Cue the f**ing drama queen.
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Drama queen?
Look at your handle.
You base your handle on someone who gets your panties all wadded.
Yeah, you, drama queen.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Twocents Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
I would suggest that those on here who want instant gratification find another team to root for.
The new regime is not for you and they are going to be here for awhile.
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like you have a crystal ball, please..in the nfl teams can rebuild in 1 to 2 years.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Whitworth: They were probably looking for a fight because they weren’t doing much on the field.”
this is why something needs to be done
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They were looking for a fight because they just got screwed by the refs.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
1 year fix= niners, colts….it can be done
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You can’t compare the Raiders organization to any other in the league. Can’t be done.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
“8-8 wasn’t really 8-8″
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Good news! I just checked Yahoo sports and ESPN…even NFL.COM and as it turns out 8-8 really WAS 8-8 after all.
For a second there I was worried.
I also checked and sure enough…DA IS 3-8 and he really IS coming off three straight horrendous beatdowns and the team really IS regressing horribly, and according to statistical data Hue Jackson really does have the best winning % of any Raider coach since Gruden.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Al is the Raiders….. This is years Raiders were talking about… Doesn’t matter what the colts or Niners
November 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Did
November 25th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
You’re an idiot if you think a 10-6 team would ever need to be torn apart.
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If it’s a 10-6 team that goes 6-0 in a ridiculously weak division, beats up on a few other bad teams, but wilts against decent opposition, that’s not a fundamentally sound team. Hue had us squeaking out close wins against everybody we played. His wackiness got us a few wins, but the rest of the league had caught on down the stretch. And his Palmer trade crippled the needed rebuilding effort.
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this is bad logic 9ers teams beat up on bad div for years.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
JLofty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
quack why would you want to continue this disaster with reggie and Da? there are only 32 coaching positions in the nfl….of which maybe ten are open…velieve me no problem getting a qualified coach anything is better than Danus Allen…there are retired personell men waiting for gm jobs…
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. Nobody in the history of North American professional sports has been saddled with this kind of rebuilding job.
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Cue the f**ing drama queen.
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Drama queen?
Look at your handle.
You base your handle on someone who gets your panties all wadded.
Yeah, you, drama queen
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Oh yeah quack’s brother…ANother whiner that defends everything Reggie does, since he ain’t Al…BTW, MaddenRaider is a “douchebag”. Therefore it deserves a handle.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Morilla Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
1 year fix= niners, colts….it can be done
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You can’t compare the Raiders organization to any other in the league. Can’t be done.
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yeah, we are the only organization with twins for gms. one works on the practice squad, the other one sits in the box of the gm to look like a gm
November 25th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
but it can be done…except you need talent….at the hc and gm
positions.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Offer Gruden 6 mil to be HC, fire Reggie, bring in Holmgren as new GM.
Holmgren / Gruden >>>>>> Reggie / DA = 1 year fix
Clear as daylight.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
“8-8 wasn’t really 8-8″
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Good news! I just checked Yahoo sports and ESPN…even NFL.COM and as it turns out 8-8 really WAS 8-8 after all.
For a second there I was worried.
I also checked and sure enough…DA IS 3-8 and he really IS coming off three straight horrendous beatdowns and the team really IS regressing horribly, and according to statistical data Hue Jackson really does have the best winning % of any Raider coach since Gruden
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
NYC Raider, post 379; I completely agree!
Our OLine was excellent, top three in pass protection and rush production.
This year utterly pathetic.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
sounds good to me boss01
November 25th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Is this the worst and most embarrassing four game losing streak the Raiders have ever had?
Id say it is. Blaming Al is punk sh!t at this point. Reggie was given a very hefty contract. He is being paid a lot of money for his talent evaluation and so called expertise. So far, the handful of players he signed and drafted have had little to no impact.
Dennis Allen is paid millions of dollars to coach. He took over a team that was talented enough to make a playoff run, according to both him AND Reggie at the beginning of the season. No Raider coach has been outcoached this badly and no Raider coach has had an uglier 4 game stretch.
Al is gone. This is ALL Reggie and DA. Period. Place blame where it belongs.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
morilla Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
1 year fix= niners, colts….it can be done
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You can’t compare the Raiders organization to any other in the league. Can’t be done.
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Raiders are in the NFL right? They have a GM right? Al Davis (who everybody blames for everything) is gone right?
I thought we were a “real’ org. now?
To me saying “well… were the Raiders” is just a defeatest cop out and ready made excuse for failure.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
aidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Lol at Knapp not being a problem. He is the main problem
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Wow. I missed that one, who said that?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
…when AL DIED THE RAIDERS DIED…NOT POINT IN WATCHING ANYMORE
November 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
is it easier to find a new OL, and RBs or a new offensive coordinator
November 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
First thing I would do is hire Wylie and Wiz back, if DA is smart. Invite them to have a few beers, so I made a mistake and keep it moving.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
NYC Raider, post 379; I completely agree!
Our OLine was excellent, top three in pass protection and rush production.
This year utterly pathetic.
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Last year, we had tough, knowledgeable line coaches that the players responded to. And we replaced them with guys that dont know what the hell theyre doing. Recipe for failure every time.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Be nice if they could’ve fixed this team in one year… But the reality is they didn’t and couldn’t ….I’d also be very surprised if Mark pulled the plug on McKenzie after 1 yr… Same with Allen … And so far I’m not at all impressed with Allen…..knapp?.. Get him outta here
November 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
raider vet WR = 1 catch all day….what a joke
November 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Hue Jackson traded away a #1 and #2 for Palmer so he could finish 8-8. F*ck Hue Jackson.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
What is the point differential now? Something like 680-42?
Knapp is gone next year.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Only a plane crash could fix this roster and coaching staff, and no one wants to see that……right?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Watching the repeat of DA’s reaction to the inadvertent whistle. F’ing clueless!!!!
Can you imagine either Harbaugh’s reaction?
I don’t think DA even remotely realized what happened. He was agreeing with the refs that the team needs to execute better …. WTF?!?!!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Hue Jackson traded our future away and went 1-4 down the stretch.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Mark what are you waiting for????
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Gruden to return his voicemails.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
First thing I would do is hire Wylie and Wiz back, if DA is smart. Invite them to have a few beers, so I made a mistake and keep it moving.
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Then hopefully that leads to tequilla shots and they both sign on the dotted line!!!!!!!!!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Exactly you have no proof, so don’t say it isn’t happening like you have some kind of insider knowledge. Truth is you don’t know jack. I don’t have proof that he is the next HC but I am not trolling around like you saying it has zero chance of happening.
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Break down what you just said. You admit that neither of us knows anything about the inner workings of the team, but then go on to say that Gruden must be returning because I personally can’t prove he’s not?
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I said that when he lit the torch it signaled DA’s end, not necessarily that Gruden was coming back. The cheers from the fans seing Gruden in silver and black were heard loud and clear. Mark Davis took notice. He saw fans responding to a real coach while inadvertently taking a shot at DA because he is not HC material. I will take my chances with a Gruden led team any day over a clueless DC / HC failure in DA.
Keep hating on Gruden all you want, but he is the only real experienced and proven HC the Raiders have at hiring.
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Someone lights a torch, like at every game, and to you, this lighting means what you stated?
You still believe in fairy tales, don’t you?
Seriously dude, that was dopey.
And don’t you think arguing over a coach who has zero desire to return here also kind of dopey?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Hue Jackson let Tim Tebow win the AFC West.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
What a friggin train wreck!!
I’m too old for this crap.
I’m usually all for staying the course, but in this case I say flush em’ all down, start over, whatever.
Reggie, YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL OF THIS!
What a joke.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
He’s going to ask the to fight and he won’t fight the call ???
The frustration has to be off the charts.
Maybe he’ll ask them not to CORF..
November 25th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
When a person pulls his focus off this miserable team long enough to watch ANY other team in the NFL, it’s easy to see what a huge discontinuity exists with the Raiders. You can’t blame it all on Al. You can’t blame it all on the players. You can’t blame it all on the new regime. But there sure as h*ll is a mess. No one is building on anything here — except possibly the improvement in penalties. EVERYONE is just running in circles and wondering why they are smelling sh*t!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Grudens got a great Job right now…why on earth would he want to comeback to the Raiders…..
November 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
pre reggie, al’s teams were laughed at for being undisciplined and one dimensional.Now we just get laughed at for being p*ssies
November 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
We need to hire gruden right after the last game if Reggie has any gm skills and the people who are trying to compare this team to the 2006 team are stupid.I know the 2006 team sucked but compare this team to the 8-8 team that was getting better,that will show you what a terrible job the new regime is doing.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Miami Raider, Reggie needs to give Wheeler an extension this week; WR lose one could argue Huff and Burris are our best defensive players.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raiders for life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
First thing I would do is hire Wylie and Wiz back, if DA is smart. Invite them to have a few beers, so I made a mistake and keep it moving.
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Then hopefully that leads to tequilla shots and they both sign on the dotted line!!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL
After that, make a call to Wauffle and invite him over for breakfast bloody mary’s and kindly ask him to join the Raiders again.
Draft a beast D.E and let Wauffle get a hold of him.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
” what a train wreck”…………. Yep….
November 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
All right took a breather, raked some leaves and made a long overdue cocktail.
I plan on watching tonights Packers game to scout out our future OLB and RT. They will be the guys in sweat pants I am sure.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I say let Pryor play just show everyone what we’re NOT missing. TP will never be a good NFL qb.
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Yeah sure! And you know this how?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
JLofty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Exactly you have no proof, so don’t say it isn’t happening like you have some kind of insider knowledge. Truth is you don’t know jack. I don’t have proof that he is the next HC but I am not trolling around like you saying it has zero chance of happening.
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Break down what you just said. You admit that neither of us knows anything about the inner workings of the team, but then go on to say that Gruden must be returning because I personally can’t prove he’s not?
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I said that when he lit the torch it signaled DA’s end, not necessarily that Gruden was coming back. The cheers from the fans seing Gruden in silver and black were heard loud and clear. Mark Davis took notice. He saw fans responding to a real coach while inadvertently taking a shot at DA because he is not HC material. I will take my chances with a Gruden led team any day over a clueless DC / HC failure in DA.
Keep hating on Gruden all you want, but he is the only real experienced and proven HC the Raiders have at hiring.
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Someone lights a torch, like at every game, and to you, this lighting means what you stated?
You still believe in fairy tales, don’t you?
Seriously dude, that was dopey.
And don’t you think arguing over a coach who has zero desire to return here also kind of dopey?
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Did Gruden tell you himself tell you he has zero desire to return? I didn’t think you.
Seriously you little pos, dopey is what your mom named you after a failed abortion.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Carson is beyond toast he is a complete comedy of turn overs. To go into cincy and get laughed off the field is not only embarrassing but the flagship flop job of his dual city failure.
Gradkowski hujack and mike brown are having a belly laugh at the expense of wayward bungles reject Carson Palmer. This team must continue to be flushed and Allen and Carson are the biggest turds in he bowl.
Tp6 better be studying hard he will see the field soon.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Bring back our last great coach!
Bill Callahan!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I believe our 2005 team won 5 games than went to 2 in 2006.
So to hold that theory, if we go from 8 wins to less than 5, this team is worse.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Whitworth: They were probably looking for a fight because they weren’t doing much on the field.”
this is why something needs to be done
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They were looking for a fight because they just got screwed by the refs.
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Oh stop.
Spend your time on Ebay looking for your next knockoff purse.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
chuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
We need to hire gruden right after the last game if Reggie has any gm skills and the people who are trying to compare this team to the 2006 team are stupid.I know the 2006 team sucked but compare this team to the 8-8 team that was getting better,that will show you what a terrible job the new regime is doing.
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They can’t because the truth hurts.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Going to the Donkeys game, and well I need something exciting.
Bring in TP, at least for parts of the game.
Watching another sad sack peformance from Palmer might not get me to return for quite sometime.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Someone lights a torch, like at every game, and to you, this lighting means what you stated?
You still believe in fairy tales, don’t you?
Seriously dude, that was dopey.
And don’t you think arguing over a coach who has zero desire to return here also kind of dopey?
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Did Gruden tell you himself he has zero desire to return? I didn’t think you.
Seriously you little pos, dopey is what your mom named you after a failed abortion.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Gruden or either Harbaugh, Rex Ryan – any coach worth a dam, worth their salt would have been in the refs face.
Not our champion. He’s got ‘it’…
Jeezus he’s got the “look of shell” and likely the same record by the time this year is over.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
522.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Carson is beyond toast he is a complete comedy of turn overs. To go into cincy and get laughed off the field is not only embarrassing but the flagship flop job of his dual city failure.
Gradkowski hujack and mike brown are having a belly laugh at the expense of wayward bungles reject Carson Palmer. This team must continue to be flushed and Allen and Carson are the biggest turds in he bowl.
Tp6 better be studying hard he will see the field soon.
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Palmer is making it hard for the most faithful to argue anymore.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
After the fight, Cincy just said screw it and threw a bomb to their best player, AJ Green. He was double covered and made it look easy (nice toss from Dalton).
We don’t have talent like that. We could try that for DHB 10 times and might not make the play once over a double-team with tight coverage.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Hue Jackson really does have the best winning % of any Raider coach since Gruden.
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That’s really hard to see how your statement makes any sense.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I have officially began to doubt whether palmer can get it righted he just seems incapable anymore. If the Raiders have any sense left in their collective empty heads Terrelle Pryor is a MUST!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
JLofty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Exactly you have no proof, so don’t say it isn’t happening like you have some kind of insider knowledge. Truth is you don’t know jack. I don’t have proof that he is the next HC but I am not trolling around like you saying it has zero chance of happening.
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Break down what you just said. You admit that neither of us knows anything about the inner workings of the team, but then go on to say that Gruden must be returning because I personally can’t prove he’s not?
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I said that when he lit the torch it signaled DA’s end, not necessarily that Gruden was coming back. The cheers from the fans seing Gruden in silver and black were heard loud and clear. Mark Davis took notice. He saw fans responding to a real coach while inadvertently taking a shot at DA because he is not HC material. I will take my chances with a Gruden led team any day over a clueless DC / HC failure in DA.
Keep hating on Gruden all you want, but he is the only real experienced and proven HC the Raiders have at hiring.
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Someone lights a torch, like at every game, and to you, this lighting means what you stated?
You still believe in fairy tales, don’t you?
Seriously dude, that was dopey.
And don’t you think arguing over a coach who has zero desire to return here also kind of dopey?
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Did Gruden tell you himself tell you he has zero desire to return? I didn’t think you.
Seriously you little pos, dopey is what your mom named you after a failed abortion.
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That’s all you could come up with in a reply? Why bother?
What’s your silly comment about how once he lit the torch that was the end of DA.
Wasn’t it your ignorant ass who said that?
Go read it again. Sounds as stupid the second time as it did the first.
And that “Mark Davis noticed”?? lol. Really? did he jerk his head around in surprise? did he tweet you saying “yo, gooberville, I heard the cheers’?
Oh, you mean you imagine he probably heard?
Well, in that case, I imagine that you aren’t all that bright.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
quack why would you want to continue this disaster with reggie and Da? there are only 32 coaching positions in the nfl….of which maybe ten are open…velieve me no problem getting a qualified coach anything is better than Danus Allen…there are retired personell men waiting for gm jobs…
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Typical Al Davis reaction. Fire everybody and start over. Again and again and again and again and again. Brilliant. Worked so well the last 3 decades. I wish you would gtfo of the 80s and realize Al Davis was a senile stubborn bastard the last 20 years of his life and much of this disaster is still his fault. I’m not happy w the management or the coaches either. And SOME should be fired. But not the coach or the GM. not even if it mostly their fault. Not yet. Winning teams have stable management and coaching staffs. Period. Nothing was EVER stable under Al. That’s why we never win. Get on board or STFU. Your living 3 decades ago. Al is gone, and that can ONLY BE A GOOD THING.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Maybe TP can give us a Gradkowski-esque spark off the bench at the end of a meaningless year.
That win in Pitt 3 years ago is what, IMO, started things moving in the right direction to go 8-8 two straight years.
A little bit of hope and internal belief goes a long ways. This teams lacks that in spades.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
522.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Carson is beyond toast he is a complete comedy of turn overs. To go into cincy and get laughed off the field is not only embarrassing but the flagship flop job of his dual city failure.
Gradkowski hujack and mike brown are having a belly laugh at the expense of wayward bungles reject Carson Palmer. This team must continue to be flushed and Allen and Carson are the biggest turds in he bowl.
Tp6 better be studying hard he will see the field soon.
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Palmer is making it hard for the most faithful to argue anymore.
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No he’s not most understand its not his fault they fired hue and now he has to work with these garbage coaches and their schemes.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Ken Whisenhunt will probably be canned after the end of this season (7 straight losses will do that to you).
Could be on our radar as HC or OC next offseason.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Reggie is a fkn porch monkey.How can he build anything other than a plate of grits?
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ban this racist
November 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Ken Whisenhunt, Rex Ryan, those are about the high end of the ex HC’s that would consider our job.
Guys with some winning experience that ultimately flopped at the end of their tenure.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
why dont we get a real DC that has nfl experience. What works in college doesnt translate to the pros! Get his ass out and Hire someone with nfl credentials.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Palmers making it hard for the most faithful to argue anymore…….. Nope…. still think he’s the best Qb on the team…
November 25th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
JLofty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
JLofty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Boss01 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Exactly you have no proof, so don’t say it isn’t happening like you have some kind of insider knowledge. Truth is you don’t know jack. I don’t have proof that he is the next HC but I am not trolling around like you saying it has zero chance of happening.
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Break down what you just said. You admit that neither of us knows anything about the inner workings of the team, but then go on to say that Gruden must be returning because I personally can’t prove he’s not?
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I said that when he lit the torch it signaled DA’s end, not necessarily that Gruden was coming back. The cheers from the fans seing Gruden in silver and black were heard loud and clear. Mark Davis took notice. He saw fans responding to a real coach while inadvertently taking a shot at DA because he is not HC material. I will take my chances with a Gruden led team any day over a clueless DC / HC failure in DA.
Keep hating on Gruden all you want, but he is the only real experienced and proven HC the Raiders have at hiring.
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Someone lights a torch, like at every game, and to you, this lighting means what you stated?
You still believe in fairy tales, don’t you?
Seriously dude, that was dopey.
And don’t you think arguing over a coach who has zero desire to return here also kind of dopey?
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Did Gruden tell you himself tell you he has zero desire to return? I didn’t think you.
Seriously you little pos, dopey is what your mom named you after a failed abortion.
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That’s all you could come up with in a reply? Why bother?
What’s your silly comment about how once he lit the torch that was the end of DA.
Wasn’t it your ignorant ass who said that?
Go read it again. Sounds as stupid the second time as it did the first.
And that “Mark Davis noticed”?? lol. Really? did he jerk his head around in surprise? did he tweet you saying “yo, gooberville, I heard the cheers’?
Oh, you mean you imagine he probably heard?
Well, in that case, I imagine that you aren’t all that bright.
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The comment was intended for readers with an IQ of above 75. People who can actually read statements and interpret them as metaphors not literally. I guess that failed abortion attempt by your mom led to your down syndrome.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Look at how aggressive the Niners have been since that kid has been starting. Offensively they are as aggressive as on defense now. This is a very scary team for anyone to contemplate facing anytime soon.
The kids armstrength makes them very dynamic and when you add that extra dimension of his running they are IMO the single best team this league has right now.
If the Raiders have any brains at all play TP6 just to give the fans something to look forward to. And why in hell isn’t TJ playing? What is that???
Give the kid a break man…….stop with this foolishness.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I have officially began to doubt whether palmer can get it righted he just seems incapable anymore. If the Raiders have any sense left in their collective empty heads Terrelle Pryor is a MUST!
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you dont sound logical, Palmer is behind an oline that has regressed, in a scheme that doesnt fit him, and no running game to speak of but you think he should be playing at a high level? Not logical thinking.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
522.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Carson is beyond toast he is a complete comedy of turn overs. To go into cincy and get laughed off the field is not only embarrassing but the flagship flop job of his dual city failure.
Gradkowski hujack and mike brown are having a belly laugh at the expense of wayward bungles reject Carson Palmer. This team must continue to be flushed and Allen and Carson are the biggest turds in he bowl.
Tp6 better be studying hard he will see the field soon.
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Palmer is making it hard for the most faithful to argue anymore.
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Really? What did Palmer do wrong today? Ru talking about the perfect pass that Reese flipped into the air? Or the perfect pass that was dropped by DHB for a drive continuing first down? Or the strip fumble that came in probably his 20th pressure of the game? He’s not perfect. But he’s probably 15th on a huge list of things that need to b fixed about this team. Maybe 20th. Lots of other stuff to get to before Palmer. Blame Palmer? Really? Christ.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
It’s games like the one in Pitt 3 yeras ago, that will never have me not rooting to win ANY GAME.
We could have tanked then, and what, drafted Rolando McClain #5 instead of #8 overall?
Big woop. Create momentum with the guys who are staying over year to year.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
u guys keep saying what hue was down the “stretch”
What is DA gonna be down the streth?? 1-8? if he is lucky
November 25th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
#512 89706Raider – spot on. I’m in Jersey so I’m hammered by jets, giants and eagles news. They get beat up in the press but the Raiders are on a whole different plane of bad
November 25th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I have officially began to doubt whether palmer can get it righted he just seems incapable anymore. If the Raiders have any sense left in their collective empty heads Terrelle Pryor is a MUST!
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I have bad news for you, old man.
Pryor isn’t even second string.
You know what that means, old man?
C’mon, think.
Anything? No?
Means the organization has watched him play, and decided he isn’t even a backup. He’s 3rd string.
You need that explained, old man?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RAIDER (since) 1967
RAIDERNATION- THE SITUATION IS BAD IN OAKLAND!
FIRING MUST BEGIN AS EARLY AS MONDAY ”
NO EXCUSES!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
OLINE Worst in high school football!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
The best thing that Mark Davis could do is move this franchise out of Oakland.
I don’t know if LA is the right place but staying in Oakland will be the death of the franchise.
The Raiders will never have enough clout with the powers in the NFL unless they have some “elites” on their side.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I have officially began to doubt whether palmer can get it righted he just seems incapable anymore. If the Raiders have any sense left in their collective empty heads Terrelle Pryor is a MUST!
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you dont sound logical, Palmer is behind an oline that has regressed, in a scheme that doesnt fit him, and no running game to speak of but you think he should be playing at a high level? Not logical thinking.
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Agreed. Ridiculous thinking. I wonder if some people have even watched a football game before. What in the world can they even be seeing? Not logical at all.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
You think changing the QB is automatically going to turn this thing around? What are you watching?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Ken Whisenhunt, Rex Ryan, those are about the high end of the ex HC’s that would consider our job.
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I’d take either in a heartbeat.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Actually I do believe that if Gruden put a bug in Mark’s ear he would listen………..not only listen he would call Reggie in and give him an ultimatum…..
Quiet as kept Mark Davis LOVED him some Jon Gruden……period
November 25th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
C2E Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Oakfoshow Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Reggie is a fkn porch monkey.How can he build anything other than a plate of grits? = BEST POST OF THE DAY !!!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Help me understand, why is Gruden such a great coach?
What was he before he coached the Raiders? Then what did he do after that?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Jeremy Stewart looked good out there, I think he can turn into a legit #2 RB.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Help me understand, why is Gruden such a great coach?
What was he before he coached the Raiders? Then what did he do after that?
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People just have that ex-girlfriend syndrome with him.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Hue Jackson really does have the best winning % of any Raider coach since Gruden.
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That’s really hard to see how your statement makes any sense.
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It’s a factual statistic.
His 8-8, which despite everyone’s objection as “not real” gives him a .500 winning %. That is better than any Raider HC since Gruden.
You can draw your own conclusions.
I merely passed it along.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Ken Whisenhunt, Rex Ryan, those are about the high end of the ex HC’s that would consider our job.
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I’d take either in a heartbeat.
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I’ll second that emotion, Kappy is ripping NO a new one. Hs armstrength is sick.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I have officially began to doubt whether palmer can get it righted he just seems incapable anymore. If the Raiders have any sense left in their collective empty heads Terrelle Pryor is a MUST!
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Yeah Priest! Let’s throw a third string quarterback out there with no experience! I’m sure that the offensive line will suddenly play like Dalby, Shell, and Upshaw came back!
And I really like your suggestion about hiring a GM to tutor McKenzie on how to be a GM! Great fuk’n idea!
Jeeeze Priest, I’ve been reading your comments on here for years and it obvious that you know something about football and you often make sense but this stuff makes about as much sense as re-electing Schwartzenegger governor of California.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Hue was a marginal HC. I would have given him a pass since he was a rookie. DA is beyond pathetic as a HC.
3 years down the road Hue could have become a decent HC because of his offensive expertise as well as defensive.
DA has only defensive knowledge and it is average at best.
Hue would have never become a great HC but he would have kept this team competitive. DA on the other hand does not have any clue on offense, he sucks as a DC, what qualifications does he really have other than the myth that he has the “it” factor which is fast becoming a punch line.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
89706Raider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
When a person pulls his focus off this miserable team long enough to watch ANY other team in the NFL, it’s easy to see what a huge discontinuity exists with the Raiders. You can’t blame it all on Al. You can’t blame it all on the players. You can’t blame it all on the new regime. But there sure as h*ll is a mess. No one is building on anything here — except possibly the improvement in penalties. EVERYONE is just running in circles and wondering why they are smelling sh*t!
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Yep. That’s what’s so disconcerting. Nothing to look forward to. No positives to lean on. Simply a complete void of management, coaching and talent.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Fire Tarver, Knapp, Hoffman, and the OL coach now.
Effin losers!!!
Eff you Titty Monkey!!
Eff you Reggie!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
The bad part is we are getting worse.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Hue Jackson gets some payback!
Love it!
Terrible…terrible decision by Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie to get rid of Hue, now it will set this team back for at least 3 years…..AT LEAST if not longer.
Sad!
November 25th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
49ers and Denver in the Superbowl,..book that one kids. Who will the Raider fans root for? Discuss.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Hue Jackson really does have the best winning % of any Raider coach since Gruden.
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That’s really hard to see how your statement makes any sense.
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It’s a factual statistic.
His 8-8, which despite everyone’s objection as “not real” gives him a .500 winning %. That is better than any Raider HC since Gruden.
You can draw your own conclusions.
I merely passed it along.
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So…like, Hue’s 8-8 is better than Cable’s 8-8?
November 25th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
We are so bad that it’s not even worth reporting or paying attention to. It’s as predictable as the sunrise.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Kappy is ripping NO a new one. Hs armstrength is sick.
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Drafted as pitcher out of HS.
Baseball guys always have the strongest arms, why I say Kapy and Locker probably have the two strongest arms in football.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Our D is the worst in football we give up 40 a game. Who can we beat doing that. we cant stop a nose bleed and we cant score to save our life. Nota good combo. I F*#CKING HATE THIS $HIT.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I saw”Pryor ,” in preseason….didn’t see anything to make me think he’s this teams savior or that he’s the best Qb on the team….. When he plays ill be rooting for him … But for now I’m backing Palmer
November 25th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
If DA stays than Knapp and the OLine coach need to be fired and an experienced DC needs to be brought onboard and Tarver needs to be demoted to LB coach.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
The last time the 49ers built a dynasty the Raiders ran away to LA with their tails between their legs,…they will do it again. They wont want to be in the bay area watching the 49ers dominate the NFL for the next ten years. Print it.
November 25th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Al Davis had this team poised after years of bad calls by the league and refs. In spite of it all, we were ready this year. All we needed was a new DC, re sign Bush, and let Hue build the team around Palmer. Mark, Reg and Allen fcked up. Big time.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
49ers and Denver in the Superbowl,..book that one kids. Who will the Raider fans root for? Discuss.
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Do people actually “root” for other teams in Super Bowls, without money on the line?
Foreign concept to me.
I would be rooting for my squares to hit at the end of each quarter.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Gruden is IMO the single most overated coach in history…………he gets soo much credit for a lot of stuff he didn’t even do. He took a great team and won a SB against a team he just coached giving him the best advantage a opposing coach could ever dream of getting. Afterwards he sunk into bolivia(as Mike Tyson would say).
November 25th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Manti Te’o should be the Raiders pick and I don’t care if he is a MLB or ILB and not a pure pass rusher.
Te’o is a better overall player than Jarvis Jones and is an emotional leader who brings it on every play and is a 3 and 4 down LB who can cover.
Te’o would be the new leader of this crappy Raider defense.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Jeff Fischer woulda been a good hire since Reg was so intent on firing Hue. But no, he had to go low so he could pass the buck.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Tarver need to be demoted to water boy’s coach. I bet he could still f8#k that up
November 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
The last time the 49ers built a dynasty the Raiders ran away to LA with their tails between their legs,…they will do it again. They wont want to be in the bay area watching the 49ers dominate the NFL for the next ten years. Print it.
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Boy! it would be kind to call you naive….
November 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
It’ll be even more interesting to see if this crappy prepared and crappy coached Raider team ends up being beaten in an ugly way by a crappy Browns team next week.
haha
November 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
I would take Rex Ryan because of his ability to fix the defense.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
We’re lookin at a 5-7 year rebuild with these coaches, if even that soon.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So…like, Hue’s 8-8 is better than Cable’s 8-8?
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Cable was 5-11 THEN 8-8 so his overall winning % is under .500.
Plus the prior yr. he came in mid-season and was 2-6?. Not sure, but it wasn’t above .500.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Would Randy Moss have gotten away with that as a Raider?? No WAY!
November 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Mark Davis forced McK to get rid of Hue I believe.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Hey Mark, if you want to salvage this team fire everybody. All the coaches suck. The GM sucks. If you don’t fix this than you suck too.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Jeff Fischer woulda been a good hire since Reg was so intent on firing Hue. But no, he had to go low so he could pass the buck.
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Fisher wasn’t going to come to the Raiders. There really weren’t any big names available to the Raiders in their coaching search. I remember hearing the names Mike Tice and Marty Morningwhig.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Rex as D.C not as a Head Coach. He hired Sporano as an O.C and traded for Teblow. lol
No thanks!
November 25th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
why is that when we play a team with no name recievers we turn them into jerry rice for one game. Same for RB’s we face we turn them in to jim sanders(jim brown mixed with barry sanders) for one game.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Personally, I always thought Gruden’s play calling was way too conservative.
On the other hand, he won some games.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Mark Davis forced McK to get rid of Hue I believe.
Regardless…..it was a bad move by Mark and a bad move by McK by agreeing to it, and then McK reaches and hires DA as head coach.
Ugh
November 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
It’ll be even more interesting to see if this crappy prepared and crappy coached Raider team ends up being beaten in an ugly way by a crappy Browns team next week.
haha
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Book it Dano! We’re goin down like the Titanic!
November 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Wow, the Chargers just topped the Raiders in ineptitude. They gave up a 4th and 29.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
49ers and Denver in the Superbowl,..book that one kids. Who will the Raider fans root for? Discuss.
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It will be Denver and NY Giants. Book that.
Manning vs. Manning. The brothers battle it out. The league will make it happen. I’ve been saying this since week 3.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Heres some truth you all need to hear, so you can stop all the pissing and moaning,…ok ready?…Reggie is a stupid man,..he will not make any coaching changes at all,..Dennis, Gregg and Tarver,..dont even know his first name, they are all returning…so is Palmer,…the brass already have conceded next year as a throw away year too,…3-13 this year, 1-15 next year,…might want to take a few years off of Raider football a while,…support the Niners in the mean time,…its all good over there,..they are favored every sunday, almost always win, will be superbowl contenders for the next decade…something to consider.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
You got to love Marcel Reece.
He’s not a bad running back for a wide receiver.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
The sad reality is that coaching the Rams with a #1 overall QB and a full slate of draft picks, is a massively more desirable job than coaching the Oakland Raiders.
The stadium issue is a huge turnoff for any coach not just happy to take any job.
If they have options, Oakland is probably not one of them.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Sorry Morilla,…nobodys beating the Niners again this year.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Denver isn’t going to the Super Bowl. They barely beat the Chiefs today.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Our current coaching staff cannot game plan to exploit other teams weaknesses. Instead they have a pipe dream scheme they want to force feed on the players that does not work. Instead of building around personel type, they bend each other over and take turns doin the nasty with each other because it takes less thinking and they like it. Some coaches we got.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
They should ban Knapp from the stadium.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I wanted us to draft Kaepernick. Rumors were that Al was interested in this kid.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Not sure what kind of coach Gruden would be after taking so much time off away from the game. He should come well equipped with some new offensive ideas and approaches to the game, which should be interesting.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Te’o is even worth moving up in the first round to draft.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
to bad he cant tackle or block or call plays.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
DA is a joke.
This regression is horrendous.
THREE STRAIGHT EMBARRASSING AND HUMILIATING BLOWOUT LOSSES AND 4 STRAIGHT LOSSES OVERALL.
He has really endeared himself to the Raider Nation by making us a laughingstock for being fans of this team.
Who’s victim of humiliation and embarrassment are we going to be next? Cleveland?
The Reggie and DA ‘Humiliation Express’ just keeps on chugging along and horrifyingly gathering up steam.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Would Randy Moss have gotten away with that as a Raider?? No WAY!
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wahhhhhhhh…the refs, the refs….. wahhhhhh it’s not fair….wahhhhhhhhhh.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
The Raiders were for sure going to draft Kkapphpkkerpppernikkk,…the Niners knew it, moved up…score board.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Oak R8er:
Amen brother.
I just read this to my wife and she thought I wrote this….Exact same age too…Spooky similar feeling right now
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And that finally gets me to my point. I’m not looking forward to next year. Or even the year after it seems. I’m numb, the season is over. But instead of being able to say “there’s always next year” I think I should be saying “there’s always next decade”. There is nothing positive from this year. Even before this disastrous month. Nothing. Not confident in the GM. not confident in the head coach. Have 0 faith in the assistants for the most part. And the players seem to be a joke, and will continue to be so in my eyes until they can show me differently.
This is my favorite team in my favorite sport, hands down. I live for football season. Even my family knows for 3 hours a week 16 games a year I’m a different person. They just stay away (even the ones I have regrettably turned into raider fans, I wish they had known better. To all my children, I apologize for the pain I have caused you by making you raider fans). But I’m seriously, for the first time in my life, picturing myself walking away from this team and the game. I’m thinking about doing it. I’m not giving up yet. But I can PICTURE it. I’ve never done that before. Not in 36 years (I’m 44). But I can picture it. And I wish I could walk away actually.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Te’o is even worth moving up in the first round to draft.
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What kind of bargaining chips do we have to move up in the draft?
We got future picks I guess. NONE of our players are very desirable to any team. They are all either overpaid or often hurt.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Honestly, I can’t wait until pryor gets some playing time.
If he isn’t a superstar, many here are going to be backtracking lilbiches for a long ass time.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
A new commitment to excrement.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
what does it take to fire and OC or DC! If A totall regression at every stage of the game isnt enough what is. I would hate to see what it would take to fire them. 0-16 and blown out by 50 every game. Oops blown out by 50 a game was this year my bad……..
November 25th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Sorry, it’s actually “A NEW ERA OF EXCREMENT”
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Anybody hear anything worth anything from DA after the game? I can’t bear to track it down just to face the swarm of cliches. If our defense swarmed half as much as DA’s barrage of meaningless cliches, we might be undefeated.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Its sad that we have to ask ourselves can we beat CLE at home?
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Heres some truth you all need to hear, so you can stop all the pissing and moaning,…ok ready?…Reggie is a stupid man,..he will not make any coaching changes at all,..Dennis, Gregg and Tarver,..dont even know his first name, they are all returning…so is Palmer,…the brass already have conceded next year as a throw away year too,…3-13 this year, 1-15 next year,…might want to take a few years off of Raider football a while,…support the Niners in the mean time,…its all good over there,..they are favored every sunday, almost always win, will be superbowl contenders for the next decade…something to consider.
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Why are you in here? drum up support for the niners??????…………lol
Take a nap and sleep it off.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Raider ( since) 1967
FIRING IS NECESSARY TO STABLISH CONDUCT, RESPECT
AND DICIPLINE TO THE TEAM !
LOOK NO FURTHER, WE NEED NEW COACHES AND NEW PLAYERS
THE FASTER , THE BETTER ,AS TIME IS NECESSARY FOR ROOKIES
AND BACKUP PLAYERS TO ADJUST 4-6 WEEKS TO NEW PLAYBOOK AND NEW COACHES!
A BIG HEAD START WILL PREVENT THIS YEAR’S PROBLEM AND A
CLOSER LOOK AT OUR FUTURE AND WERE WE ARE HEADING.
FREE AGENCY AND THE DRAFT SHOILD BE LOOK AT FROM
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000100620/article/mike-holmgrens-tenure-with-cleveland-browns-ends
Better than what we got now. Amy, don’t waste any time, GM, HC, don’t care. A change is needed. Holmgren has experience.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I’m going to help some of you backasswards rednecks figure this out.
If/when the team decides to sit Palmer? THE BACKUP IS GOING IN.
CP’s backup is Leinart, not TP.
Expect seeing TP in a mopup role, when game is out of hand, and team just prays he makes a couple of plays so they can trade him for a 6th rounder.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Can this pos team even keep it close against Cleveland?
Probably not.
This is worse than 2006. 2006 would kick our azzes just like everyone else in the league.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Fire Titty Monkey and his staff.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
The refs are completely botching this San Diego first down thing.
Will we get any outrage tomorrow like we did with EVERY MINOR screw-up from the replacement refs?
That faux outrage was laughable.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Its sad that we have to ask ourselves can we beat CLE at home?
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I just wonder if we can keep it close quite honestly.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
JLofty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Honestly, I can’t wait until pryor gets some playing time.
If he isn’t a superstar, many here are going to be backtracking lilbiches for a long ass time.
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You are one backwards ass cowboy. Who even insinuated Pryor as some superstar???
Are you crazy?
Fans wnat to see the kid play so they KNOW what we have if he is a players at all. They’re looking for hope man, SUPERSTAR? You are super stupid!!
November 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
I think Raiders will beat Cleveland, but you never know. Richardson should shred the D. Their defense isn’t that bad either.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Coaches can’t help stepping in dog schiiit. Seems like it is a reoccurence week after week, so my guess is that is all they know how to do.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Do Oaklands staff even read this site can they see the frustration pouring out of there life blood!! THE FANS!!! If they wanted to do us a favor line up greg Knapp before the game and let us all get a gut punch.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Who even insinuated Pryor as some superstar???
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So if Pryor becomes a superstar, does that mean you won’t give us the “I told you so’s”?
Nobody believes that.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Or a kick to the balls would also be acceptable
November 25th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
I’ve tried to dislike and hate this team but I can’t find it in my heart to.
I can see how one can let the losing get to them that much but there is much more to life than football and under no cicrumstance should your frustration rub off to other family members and friends.
Family and friends will always be there for you, Raiders could be sold tomorrow and have rainbows added to their helmets like Omoran said. lol
November 25th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Our current coaching staff cannot game plan to exploit other teams weaknesses. Instead they have a pipe dream scheme they want to force feed on the players that does not work. Instead of building around personel type, they bend each other over and take turns doin the nasty with each other because it takes less thinking and they like it. Some coaches we got.
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Yep. Terrible.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Also what will you do if he does play well, how would you characterize yourself……still a hater?
November 25th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Its sad that we have to ask ourselves can we beat CLE at home?
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Hoping the 0akland CA$H CHECKER$ and their Dead Coach Walking (aka D0A) get AZZHAMMERED by CLE. Only 3-13 or maybe 4-12 will result in a FORCED full-on (and much ‘deserved’) house cleaning.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
RICHARDSON = 200+ RUSHING
November 25th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Te’o is definitely worth a top 5 pick in this draft.
Gotta hope McK is smart enough to not pass on him.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
!the Browns next week…… I’d bet they have more talent… And Tackle better
November 25th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
I live in KC and I am a die hard Oakland fan. But this is so bad they have me contemplating becoming a chiefs fan, and They are 1-10!!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
No doubt Carcux will skate this one, too.
If anybody is counting, the Raiders keep losing with Carcux. Supposedly, at one time in his career, he was spoken in the same “elite” breath as Payton and Brady, right? No doubt he has lived a life full of hype since high school and has cashed in, good for him, but he has not played anywhere near the level of the hype, that’s well documented in hollow stats and mounting losses.
Is he the best qb in the team? No one will know because no one else will get a chance as long as Carcux is standing. Junior and Reggie will ride him to the bitter end, and no doubt bring him back next season for added tragicomedy.
As I said before, it is a real travesty what the Raiders are doing to Pryor. If they don’t believe he is worth anything on the field, why keep a roster spot? As it is, Pryor has already lost two full seasons in his development.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Chris in NY
DA didn’t say much except fire the quote in the story above. He said they didn’t tackle well and that he didn’t say much at halftime because the players took it upon themselves. About a 3 min press conference.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Let me preface this by saying we didn’t deserve to win this game anyway, by any stretch. And even if we had, who cares, we would’ve looked lousy and be 4-7 at this point.
However, it never ceases to amaze me the ludicrous calls made by officials against the Raiders at times. It’s almost like these guys drop acid before they call a Raiders game.
Houston taking down Dalton after that officiating debacle and the ensuing brawl were about the only respectable moments from the Raiders today. At least they’d been pushed around enough at that point and weren’t about to take any more.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Anybody hear anything worth anything from DA after the game? I can’t bear to track it down just to face the swarm of cliches. If our defense swarmed half as much as DA’s barrage of meaningless cliches, we might be undefeated.
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I haven’t bothered listening to anything he has had to say since after week 3.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Who even insinuated Pryor as some superstar???
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So if Pryor becomes a superstar, does that mean you won’t give us the “I told you so’s”?
Nobody believes that.
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I would never have pulled for the kid so strongly if I thought he couldn’t eventually be great. This team needs it’s own homegrown leader at that position Pryor has IMO the capability to do everything I thought Kaepernick could do. So far I’m 1-2 out of thos e 2 players. Kaepernick wont be a superstar IMO but he is a much better player tha Smith wil EVER be……….period
November 25th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Also what will you do if he does play well, how would you characterize yourself……still a hater?
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Why would I be a hater?
I have always said that TP, on a 3rd round rookie contract, excelling would be the best thing to happen to this team. Imagine dumping Palmer and upgrading the QB spot, while saving $13 million in cap room? Cap problems solved overnight.
I am just not as blindly optimistic about it as you are. I don’t think he was much of a prospect coming out of school, but would love to be wrong.
You didn’t answer my question, though I don’t really think you need to. We already know the answer.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Te’o is even worth moving up in the first round to draft.
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What kind of bargaining chips do we have to move up in the draft?
We got future picks I guess. NONE of our players are very desirable to any team. They are all either overpaid or often hurt.
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Oline guys Oline, if not best pass rusher. I checked the mock drafts and I’m hearing the DE outta A&M and FSU. The kid outta A&M led the SEC in sacks, thats impressive. I also see that the highest rated center plays for Georgia
November 25th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Diahrrea > 2012 Raiders
November 25th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
There’s only 2 superstars at the QB position in this league at this point Pmanning and ARodgers. The next one will be RG3.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Let me preface this by saying we didn’t deserve to win this game anyway, by any stretch. And even if we had, who cares, we would’ve looked lousy and be 4-7 at this point.
However, it never ceases to amaze me the ludicrous calls made by officials against the Raiders at times. It’s almost like these guys drop acid before they call a Raiders game.
Houston taking down Dalton after that officiating debacle and the ensuing brawl were about the only respectable moments from the Raiders today. At least they’d been pushed around enough at that point and weren’t about to take any more.
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Yeah. I agree.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
CVRaider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Chris in NY
DA didn’t say much except fire the quote in the story above. He said they didn’t tackle well and that he didn’t say much at halftime because the players took it upon themselves. About a 3 min press conference.
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Thanks and wow. I don’t take pleasure in seeing the guy suffer. But that sounds like a dead man walking scenario. Hard to believe DA is still around a week after the season. Wouldn’t even be shocked if the decision is made tonight. Mark Davis was clear that he wanted to see progress, not regression. These team circled the toilet for three weeks prior and today was that down the drain moment. I don’t think there’s any turning back.
It’s going to take a bold move to get the team and fanbase back. Something like Hue, Gruden, Cowher, etc. Some unknown assistant with questionable credentials is NOT going to cut it this time.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Anybody hear anything worth anything from DA after the game? I can’t bear to track it down just to face the swarm of cliches. If our defense swarmed half as much as DA’s barrage of meaningless cliches, we might be undefeated.
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I haven’t bothered listening to anything he has had to say since after week 3.
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He said “I tell you what, there is going to be some heck to pay this week.”
November 25th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Brady’s got the rings to be in the class with Manning and Rodgers..
November 25th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Draft Te’o and trade McCheezy!!
Or should we go with a DT/DE?
November 25th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
JLofty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I have officially began to doubt whether palmer can get it righted he just seems incapable anymore. If the Raiders have any sense left in their collective empty heads Terrelle Pryor is a MUST!
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I have bad news for you, old man.
Pryor isn’t even second string.
You know what that means, old man?
C’mon, think.
Anything? No?
Means the organization has watched him play, and decided he isn’t even a backup. He’s 3rd string.
You need that explained, old man?
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If that’s the case, why is he even on the team? Why are they wasting a spot for a player with no future? What’s he going to do if they play him? Lose? So what, we’re going to lose anyway. Play him, trade him or cut him. Damn, just do something. This status quo crap just proves that this coaching group are lost and clueless – unable to make a decision. I’m not sure if TP6 has any NFL future or not. We owe it to him & the fans to just do something. we can’t get any worse than we are already.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Kaepernick wont be a superstar IMO but he is a much better player tha Smith wil EVER be……….period
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A long time until that is determined.
Smith lead a last minute comeback in a playoff game. Not sure if Kappy will do that.
He might do it this year, he might not until 2015.
Waaaaay to quick to call that one. You just hate Alex Smith.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Folks! here’s a News flash David Akers is probably going to be the difference between the Niners either winning a championship or not. He is shaky to put it mildly. That could cost them bigtime!
November 25th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
If we played the Niners right now and they wanted to make a statement, they could probably hang 100 points on us.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
If that’s the case, why is he even on the team? Why are they wasting a spot for a player with no future?
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Every team has a #3 QB, most with no future. Come on now.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Te’o is even worth moving up in the first round to draft.
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What kind of bargaining chips do we have to move up in the draft?
We got future picks I guess. NONE of our players are very desirable to any team. They are all either overpaid or often hurt.
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Oline guys Oline, if not best pass rusher. I checked the mock drafts and I’m hearing the DE outta A&M and FSU. The kid outta A&M led the SEC in sacks, thats impressive. I also see that the highest rated center plays for Georgia
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Build the defense around Te’o.
Then add a pass rusher through FA or later in the draft. Pick a RT or Center in Round 3. Move Wiz back to LG. Add NT/DT type in Round 4.
Pick CB’s later in the draft and add through FA.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Chris I agree…
It’s going to take a bold move to get the team and fanbase back. Something like Hue, Gruden, Cowher, etc. Some unknown assistant with questionable credentials is NOT going to cut it this time.
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Until then…
Bubble Yum Spider Eggs > 2012 Raiders
November 25th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Wackenhut Security Guards > 2012 Oakland Raiders
November 25th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So…like, Hue’s 8-8 is better than Cable’s 8-8?
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Cable was 5-11 THEN 8-8 so his overall winning % is under .500.
Plus the prior yr. he came in mid-season and was 2-6?. Not sure, but it wasn’t above .500.
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Cable was not 5 and 11. He took over mid season. And won a few games too. Christ.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
LOL……before the 4th and 29 that was converted against the Dolts, it had been 10 years since a team converted a 4th and 25 or longer.
Long live Norv and his staff
November 25th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
That lil crybaby Jlofty’s upset aint he? lol
Sorry son if Palmer has brust your bubble but stop looking for someone else to blame. Look at the guy who burst it.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
This teams has way more questions then why is TP # 3……..
November 25th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Chris I agree…
It’s going to take a bold move to get the team and fanbase back. Something like Hue, Gruden, Cowher, etc. Some unknown assistant with questionable credentials is NOT going to cut it this time
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Only way to get the fan base back and excited to buy season tickets and sell out the Coliseum on a consistent basis it to bring back Gruden or Hue.
Davis and McK are not smart enough to do that though.
Sad!
November 25th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Anybody hear anything worth anything from DA after the game? I can’t bear to track it down just to face the swarm of cliches. If our defense swarmed half as much as DA’s barrage of meaningless cliches, we might be undefeated.
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He did have one funny comment at the end. He was asked of he could comment on the inadvertent whistle debacle without getting in trouble w the league. He said no.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I hope they at least activate Pryor now and move him to #2.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
LOL at Gruden and Hue being the ONLY way people will buy season tickets.
You just insulted everyone’s intelligence with that one.
Wins, with Pee-Wee Herman as the HC, will sell tickets.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
If we played the Niners right now and they wanted to make a statement, they could probably hang 100 points on us.
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This is the proverbial ledge that Reggie has taken us to. Where we are publicly praising the niners……not good.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
There’s only 2 superstars at the QB position in this league at this point Pmanning and ARodgers. The next one will be RG3.
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Brees, Brady?
November 25th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I want to see Pryor play too…. But not for the same reasons these guys hate on Palmer for…. I wish the Raiders had a better team for Palmer or whoever the QB is…
November 25th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So…like, Hue’s 8-8 is better than Cable’s 8-8?
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Cable was 5-11 THEN 8-8 so his overall winning % is under .500.
Plus the prior yr. he came in mid-season and was 2-6?. Not sure, but it wasn’t above .500.
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Cable was not 5 and 11. He took over mid season. And won a few games too. Christ.
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Cable went 4-8 after taking over for Lance. He went 5-11 the next year. Then 8-8 with Hue as OC/playcaller with the offense jumping from like 31st to 5th that year.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Where we are publicly praising the niners……not good.
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“WE”????
You mean you, Chris in NY, and Norco Bob?
November 25th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Hue (1st choice) or Gruden.
Anything less = turkey vultures circling (30% filled) 0.0.co every December from now through 2026.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Sprinkler mal-function.
Home field advantage.
Seahwks lose.
Awesome.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
If we played the Niners right now and they wanted to make a statement, they could probably hang 100 points on us.
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This is the proverbial ledge that Reggie has taken us to. Where we are publicly praising the niners……not good.
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I’m serious. Between how well they execute along with how physical they are and the fact our guys are waving the white flag, it would be an epic and incomparable beatdown.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Oline guys Oline, if not best pass rusher. I checked the mock drafts and I’m hearing the DE outta A&M and FSU. The kid outta A&M led the SEC in sacks, thats impressive. I also see that the highest rated center plays for Georgia
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Build the defense around Te’o.
Then add a pass rusher through FA or later in the draft. Pick a RT or Center in Round 3. Move Wiz back to LG. Add NT/DT type in Round 4.
Pick CB’s later in the draft and add through FA.
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Oline is more important than LB, must be able to protect palmer and open up holes in the run game, imo you dont pick a lb in the top 10.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Hue (1st choice) or Gruden.
Anything less = turkey vultures circling (30% filled) 0.0.co every December from now through 2026.
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Don’t leave out Cable or ShawII
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
There’s only 2 superstars at the QB position in this league at this point Pmanning and ARodgers. The next one will be RG3.
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Brees, Brady?
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Maybe Brady at one time, Brees never. They were indeed Elite top notch Qb’s but superstar is another stratusphere. I doubt if PManning is still there truthfully. Probably just ARod…that is reserved for players who lift an entire org. beyond their wildest dreams.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
If Pryor can make the defense or special teams tackle then I’m all for it…
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
MANAGEMENT GRADES SO FAR:
• Reggie McKenzie D
• Dennis Allen D-
• Greg Knapp (OC) F
• Frank Pollack (O-LINE) F
• Steve Hoffman (STC) F
• Kieth Burns (ASST. STC) F
• John DeFilippo (QB) C
• John Holland (LB) D
• Mark Hutson (TE) C
• Clayton Lopez (DB) F
• Johnny Lynn (DB) F
• Kelly Skipper (RB) D
• Jason Tarver (DC) F
• Terrell Williams (D-LINE) F
Pretty sad commentary on our coaching staff. For the most part all failures. Rookie or not, if you don’t produce you are OUT!
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Like Michael Jordan or Kobe someone like that.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
If we keep DEAD C0.0ACH WALKING/D0.0A we will get wins? Child, please….
Point being…Hue or Gruden are the best bets TO GET THOSE FUTURE WINS…and yes the fans will fill the stadium.
chicken/egg….
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Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
LOL at Gruden and Hue being the ONLY way people will buy season tickets.
You just insulted everyone’s intelligence with that one.
Wins, with Pee-Wee Herman as the HC, will sell tickets.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
JB Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
MANAGEMENT GRADES SO FAR:
• Reggie McKenzie D
• Dennis Allen D-
• Greg Knapp (OC) F
• Frank Pollack (O-LINE) F
• Steve Hoffman (STC) F
• Kieth Burns (ASST. STC) F
• John DeFilippo (QB) C
• John Holland (LB) D
• Mark Hutson (TE) C
• Clayton Lopez (DB) F
• Johnny Lynn (DB) F
• Kelly Skipper (RB) D
• Jason Tarver (DC) F
• Terrell Williams (D-LINE) F
Pretty sad commentary on our coaching staff. For the most part all failures. Rookie or not, if you don’t produce you are OUT!
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Your being to kind to knapp.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Actually what PManning has done in Denver qualifies..
November 25th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The best thing we can do to help our O-line, is have a WR punish a defense for sending 7 guys and leaving single coverage all game long.
Your not blocking the Aldon Smith, JJ Watt and Von Miller’s of the world. The NY Giants front 4 annihiliates the best O-lines weekly.
You need playmakers to get teams to think twice about sending so many people. These plays we have 5 lineman and a back trying to block 7 people. The only way to beat that is throwing a quick 8 yard pass and wathcing it go for 70.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
0.co Circling Turkey Vultures > 2012 Oakland Raiders
November 25th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
The fans will fill the stadium with a new coach because there will be hope. Not despair and the promise of beatdowns.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
that is reserved for players who lift an entire org. beyond their wildest dreams.
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Brees didn’t do that to one of the worst franchises in all of sports, coming off a hurricane and a 2-14 season?
November 25th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So…like, Hue’s 8-8 is better than Cable’s 8-8?
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Cable was 5-11 THEN 8-8 so his overall winning % is under .500.
Plus the prior yr. he came in mid-season and was 2-6?. Not sure, but it wasn’t above .500.
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Cable was not 5 and 11. He took over mid season. And won a few games too. Christ.
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Cable went 4-8 after taking over for Lance. He went 5-11 the next year. Then 8-8 with Hue as OC/playcaller with the offense jumping from like 31st to 5th that year.
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Ok thx i was correct. I thought he was 2-6 after Lance that yr. 4 games under…close enuff.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The best thing we can do to help our O-line, is have a WR punish a defense for sending 7 guys and leaving single coverage all game long.
Your not blocking the Aldon Smith, JJ Watt and Von Miller’s of the world. The NY Giants front 4 annihiliates the best O-lines weekly.
You need playmakers to get teams to think twice about sending so many people. These plays we have 5 lineman and a back trying to block 7 people. The only way to beat that is throwing a quick 8 yard pass and wathcing it go for 70.
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Isn’t that the OC and his eyes in sky job? Can’t he get a play like that in? Or are they prepared for anything possible? Or not. Maybe it is not in the playbook.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
You’d be surprised what a spark can do man, I’m telling ya’ if Palmer had won that ATL game and then comeback and beat TB from way down you would see a completely different team than what you are seeing now. But he didn’t so you are…….I know it sticks but that is the difference between greatness and very good.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Isn’t that the OC and his eyes in sky job? Can’t he get a play like that in?
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They tried one to stone hands, didn’t work out so well.
That should have been a 25+ yard gain.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I want to see Pryor play just so we know what we have. If he sucks, then every one can shut up about him.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
The fact you guys dream of rehiring Hue Jackson shows how far the standards of the Playstation Raider fan has fallen.
Hue is not on ANY radar for an NFL coaching job.
But here you guys are begging to have a reject 8-8 loser to Tim Tebow’s Broncos and architect of one of the worst trades be brought back.
Just cause DA is trash, doesn’t make Hue a savior.
How about we get a real coach and not use Hue as the benchmark!
November 25th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Oline guys Oline, if not best pass rusher. I checked the mock drafts and I’m hearing the DE outta A&M and FSU. The kid outta A&M led the SEC in sacks, thats impressive. I also see that the highest rated center plays for Georgia
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Build the defense around Te’o.
Then add a pass rusher through FA or later in the draft. Pick a RT or Center in Round 3. Move Wiz back to LG. Add NT/DT type in Round 4.
Pick CB’s later in the draft and add through FA.
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Oline is more important than LB, must be able to protect palmer and open up holes in the run game, imo you dont pick a lb in the top 10.
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No OLinemen really worth taking in the top 5.
Best overall player for me for Raiders and within the top 5 Te’o is the real deal!
Whoever team gets him is getting a stud LB for 12-15 years.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
JB Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
MANAGEMENT GRADES SO FAR:
• Reggie McKenzie D
• Dennis Allen D-
• Greg Knapp (OC) F
• Frank Pollack (O-LINE) F
• Steve Hoffman (STC) F
• Kieth Burns (ASST. STC) F
• John DeFilippo (QB) C
• John Holland (LB) D
• Mark Hutson (TE) C
• Clayton Lopez (DB) F
• Johnny Lynn (DB) F
• Kelly Skipper (RB) D
• Jason Tarver (DC) F
• Terrell Williams (D-LINE) F
Pretty sad commentary on our coaching staff. For the most part all failures. Rookie or not, if you don’t produce you are OUT!
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Agreed, but how do you fire your whole damned staff? And have any credibility to hire another one?
Raiders have some big questions ahead.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Cable went 4-8 after taking over for Lance. He went 5-11 the next year. Then 8-8 with Hue as OC/playcaller with the offense jumping from like 31st to 5th that year.
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CABLE 5-11 without HUE
CABLE 8-8 with HUE as OC
HUE 8-8 without CABLE
HUE>CABLE, pretty simple.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Te’o is even worth moving up in the first round to draft.
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What kind of bargaining chips do we have to move up in the draft?
We got future picks I guess. NONE of our players are very desirable to any team. They are all either overpaid or often hurt.
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Oline guys Oline, if not best pass rusher. I checked the mock drafts and I’m hearing the DE outta A&M and FSU. The kid outta A&M led the SEC in sacks, thats impressive. I also see that the highest rated center plays for Georgia
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Build the defense around Te’o.
Then add a pass rusher through FA or later in the draft. Pick a RT or Center in Round 3. Move Wiz back to LG. Add NT/DT type in Round 4.
Pick CB’s later in the draft and add through FA.
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Don’t think we’ll have to move up as we will already be up there. I agree on Teo. We need a great player who can lead & not just one great player. We are already at top 5 and after a few more games could be #3, #2 or #1. Yes, we are that bad.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
fingers Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
If Pryor can make the defense or special teams tackle then I’m all for it…
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LOL.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Big catch Torrey Smith
November 25th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
This whole situation with firing Hue and replacing him is a good lesson in management and what not to do:
1) If you pull the plug on someone early, you better be damn sure that person’s replacement is an improvement. If not, you just sunk your own ship.
2) Having the right man for the job > Hiring “your own guy.”
There’s much more to learn from the failure that is the Raiders in the post-Hue era, but I’ll leave it at that for now. If anyone else has anything to add to the list please do.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
There you just saw it.
3rd and 10, Chargers sent 6, had single coverage outside, threw a jump ball and Torrey Smith made a world class catch.
We couldn’t do that against air half the time.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
The fans will fill the stadium with a new coach because there will be hope. Not despair and the promise of beatdowns.
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Sorry, but I for one want a coach with a PROVEN track record. 11 years of this shat….—> No more free, ‘faith’ hall passes here at this point…
Most importantly I want a coach (and staff) that UNDERSTANDS THE SESAME-STREET-SIMPLE CONCEPT OF ADJUSTING YOUR PLAY CALLING/SCHEMES TO THE STRENGTHS OF YOUR PLAYERS.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Isn’t that the OC and his eyes in sky job? Can’t he get a play like that in? Or are they prepared for anything possible? Or not. Maybe it is not in the playbook.
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A playbook is just a book it does nothing at all. It’s the gamplanner and playcaller that makes the playbook great for football or just another book. It’s as if someone writes a great play unless it’s produced what does it matter?
Gameplanning and playcalling are the true art of the scheme……..period
November 25th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Vontaze Burfict looked pretty good out there for the Bengals.
Hows Nathan Stupar doing these days?
November 25th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
210.Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
But he scored 2 TD’s how many did we score rushing?
Is that zero, that is what I thought.
I love Reece at HB but we need some damn lightning in the backfield to help him. TJ anyone?
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With this staff, Priest(tj) would get carries before TJ.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
This draft is different.
Raiders need good LB’s in the worst way. Te’o is the best.
Raiders OLine problems are mainly based on a bad a scheme and bad coaching.
Hue and Wylie had the OLine playing good last year and then Knapp and Pollack come in and change everything and then the regression hits and the running game is no more.
Sad.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Oline guys Oline, if not best pass rusher. I checked the mock drafts and I’m hearing the DE outta A&M and FSU. The kid outta A&M led the SEC in sacks, thats impressive. I also see that the highest rated center plays for Georgia
^^^^^^^^
Build the defense around Te’o.
Then add a pass rusher through FA or later in the draft. Pick a RT or Center in Round 3. Move Wiz back to LG. Add NT/DT type in Round 4.
Pick CB’s later in the draft and add through FA.
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Oline is more important than LB, must be able to protect palmer and open up holes in the run game, imo you dont pick a lb in the top 10.
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No OLinemen really worth taking in the top 5.
Best overall player for me for Raiders and within the top 5 Te’o is the real deal!
Whoever team gets him is getting a stud LB for 12-15 years.
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Trade down if possible and acquire a few more picks and get your Olinemen.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Raider(since)1967
BLOGS are getting bigger and longer.
As FRUSTRATION AND DESPERATION IS GETTING OUT OF HAND
Angry fans are fed up with the enept players in Oakland and there’s no SOLUTION IN SIGHT. Fans look like ZOOMBIES and some even wear ” BROWN BAGS over their head in total disbelieve .Everyone seems to be waiting for something to happen, but little or nothing is getting done.
Fans PAY to see quality players ,but all they get is to go home sad. ” MONDAY HEADS SHOULD ROLL “
November 25th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
JB Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
MANAGEMENT GRADES SO FAR:
• Reggie McKenzie D
• Dennis Allen D-
• Greg Knapp (OC) F
• Frank Pollack (O-LINE) F
• Steve Hoffman (STC) F
• Kieth Burns (ASST. STC) F
• John DeFilippo (QB) C
• John Holland (LB) D
• Mark Hutson (TE) C
• Clayton Lopez (DB) F
• Johnny Lynn (DB) F
• Kelly Skipper (RB) D
• Jason Tarver (DC) F
• Terrell Williams (D-LINE) F
Pretty sad commentary on our coaching staff. For the most part all failures. Rookie or not, if you don’t produce you are OUT!
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Not saying I don’t agree. But where did this come from? Your opinion? Cause it seems a lot like a mirror of what I’m seeing on the field.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
1) If you pull the plug on someone early, you better be damn sure that person’s replacement is an improvement. If not, you just sunk your own ship.
2) Having the right man for the job > Hiring “your own guy.”
3) A two week old rotting dung heap > 2012 Oakland Raiders.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Biggest thing we can do to fix the O-line is sack that loser Briesel.
We has downright awful in the second game of the preseason, and to his credit has been very consistant ever since.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
They may get defensive, but I have a feeling all the “give Reggie 5 yr’s” crowd are not really Raider fans.
I think maybe they are like me with baseball. I’m interested enuff in the White Sox to go to their blog and complain a little and talk baseball but i wouldn’t lose sleep if they went on a long rebuild.
I think these “5 yr’ rebuild” guys like the Raiders and root for them… generally…but are ok if they don’t win and don’t lose sleep either way.
Maybe they have the niners as their primary team or something.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Anybody hear anything from Palmer about what Hue said to him after the game?
November 25th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
So…like, Hue’s 8-8 is better than Cable’s 8-8?
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Cable was 5-11 THEN 8-8 so his overall winning % is under .500.
Plus the prior yr. he came in mid-season and was 2-6?. Not sure, but it wasn’t above .500.
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Cable was not 5 and 11. He took over mid season. And won a few games too. Christ.
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Cable went 4-8 after taking over for Lance. He went 5-11 the next year. Then 8-8 with Hue as OC/playcaller with the offense jumping from like 31st to 5th that year.
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Ok thx i was correct. I thought he was 2-6 after Lance that yr. 4 games under…close enuff.
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I guess I was a year off. Forgot cable took over mid season and then got two full years. Lasted longer then most Al Davis head coaches. The shlt all starts to blend together after a while. Sorry.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Ravens are going to feel pretty stupid if this kid misses this FG.
They just gave up 4 yards kneeling, and never attempted to even move forward.
Never understood the logic with that.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
I was just sitting here thinking, DHB sucks and needs to go. That guy is a liability.
Along with him please get rid of:
DA
KRAPP
TARVER
SEYMOUR
KELLY
GIO – dude can’t tackle
BOTH GUARDS
MCKENZIE
KRAPP
KRAPP
KRAPP
November 25th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
0ak r8rs Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
JB Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
MANAGEMENT GRADES SO FAR:
• Reggie McKenzie D
• Dennis Allen D-
• Greg Knapp (OC) F
• Frank Pollack (O-LINE) F
• Steve Hoffman (STC) F
• Kieth Burns (ASST. STC) F
• John DeFilippo (QB) C
• John Holland (LB) D
• Mark Hutson (TE) C
• Clayton Lopez (DB) F
• Johnny Lynn (DB) F
• Kelly Skipper (RB) D
• Jason Tarver (DC) F
• Terrell Williams (D-LINE) F
Pretty sad commentary on our coaching staff. For the most part all failures. Rookie or not, if you don’t produce you are OUT!
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Not saying I don’t agree. But where did this come from? Your opinion? Cause it seems a lot like a mirror of what I’m seeing on the field.
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Just my opinion.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
You’d be surprised what a spark can do man, I’m telling ya’ if Palmer had won that ATL game and then comeback and beat TB from way down you would see a completely different team than what you are seeing now. But he didn’t so you are…….I know it sticks but that is the difference between greatness and very good
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“if Palmer had won”????
IT’S A TEAM CONCEPT, YOU MORON.
He doesn’t block, moron.
He doesn’t catch, moron.
He doesn’t tackle, moron.
Seriously, I hope to hell you are fall down drunk, because if you are sober and writing this ignorant crap, you’re quickly losing total respect.
Wise up, priest. Read before you post.
Your rambling online is close to your rambling on the radio. Make sense, for a change.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
John David Booty Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Vontaze Burfict looked pretty good out there for the Bengals.
Hows Nathan Stupar doing these days?
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He’s playing for the Eagles now.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Indy is 7-4 with that team, and we can’t even get within 20 pts. of an opponent…………yet we need 3 years for these goofballs to straighten it out.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
If being the only coach to allow a 4th and 29 to convert in 10 years with the game and season on the line, doesn’t get Norv fired on Monday, I have no idea what will.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
This draft is different.
Raiders need good LB’s in the worst way. Te’o is the best.
Raiders OLine problems are mainly based on a bad a scheme and bad coaching.
Hue and Wylie had the OLine playing good last year and then Knapp and Pollack come in and change everything and then the regression hits and the running game is no more.
Sad.
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Oline played better under Hue but it still wasnt the greatest we cant settle for an OK oline we need a dominant oline like in 2002.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Sure JLofty! it’s my fault we lost.
Ask Mommy to put you to bed, a cookie and warm milk should help.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
The Colts have won a Super Bowl, lost another one, and made the playoffs 8 years since we last went to the playoffs. They also had the #1 overall pick.
A little easier to right that ship.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I saw a dominant O-line in the 49ers lose at home in the playoffs against the team with better skill players.
We need better skill guys and defensive players. Safeties, RB’s, WR’s, a QB upgrade wouldn’t hurt, DB’s, edge rushers.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
The Colts have won a Super Bowl, lost another one, and made the playoffs 8 years since we last went to the playoffs. They also had the #1 overall pick.
A little easier to right that ship.
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So you’re saying their QB is better than ours and we gave up a 1st and a 2nd to get him. OK I’ll accept that.
November 25th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Guys, PART of are problems stem from the fact that we have some ridiculous contracts still in place.
Seymour is guaranteed $11.5 million this year and he does not even practice.
More change to come after the season but the only players who can help us now play on SATURDAYS.
The good news is we will build the lines through the draft.
McClain will not be back at 4 mil a year. Nor will Huff or Kelly. TOO MUCH MONEY FOR TOO LITTLE PRODUCTION.
The Oline needs help as well but it may need to wait till 2014.
This is a 3-5 year project. Bad. Very Bad.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
It looks like the big brother NINERS had to come in and punk the AINTS after what they did the Raiders. Not like they did it for them.
But did you see the hard hits the Niners were laying. Dashon Goldson / Winter were laying str8 wood.
They layed out Marvin ingram who waved to Giordano as he was showboating for a TD. Goldson laid out Lance Freakin moore over the middle and he dropped it.
I remember lance showboating in the blackhole last week. crazy
November 25th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Biggest thing we can do to fix the O-line is sack that loser Briesel.
We has downright awful in the second game of the preseason, and to his credit has been very consistant ever since.
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Please. Sit Brisiel. Cut him at this point for all I care. Move Carlisle back to RG, where he was comfortable for the last 10 damn seasons. Put Bergstrom at RG since he was your first damn pick. These guys really did come into this thing fumbling everything, and have not let up at all. When does this end? These guys are playing Barbi together with an NFL roster. Sorry, Raiders fans. We’ve got bums running things, from the top to the bottom. This might get a lot worse before it gets better.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
“I want to see Pryor play too…. But not for the same reasons these guys hate on Palmer for…. I wish the Raiders had a better team for Palmer or whoever the QB is…”
Great post!!
You feeble minded blog tards might want to listen up!
November 25th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
We gave up a sack today when our RT didn’t even get out of his stance.
Another one when our same RT fell over and wipped out a guard.
CAn’t imagine we need to spend a high draft pick to improve on that. A 5th rounder should probably get the job done.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Then you have the contingent that are from the bay area and are grandfathered into the Raider fan base but have always had a massive hatred for Al Davis.
These ones resent Al for being so different from the rest of the league and are just so elated that we have a GM now and are operating more like the other 31 org’s that they don’t mind waiting as long as it takes to finally get rid of every evidence of Al Davis; which includes EVERY player Al drafted or acquired.
These guys can wait it out forever till that happens, and in fact would rather lose WITH Al’s guys than WIN with them becuz there might be those who would attribute that success with Al Davis.
Hence the “give it 3-5 yr’s” stance…till the “stench” of Al is gone.
Meanwhile, they always have the Niners to turn to until the “stench” is completely gone.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
quit with the money thing….its just an excuse…this team sukcs because reggie is not qualified for the job…
November 25th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
FIREREGGIEYESTERDAY!
November 25th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
So you’re saying their QB is better than ours and we gave up a 1st and a 2nd to get him. OK I’ll accept that.
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ABsolutely.
But you see what the Skins had to give up to get RGIII? A future 1st and 2nd, with our #17 pick, would not have been enough to move up into the top 2 of the draft.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
“The Colts have won a Super Bowl, lost another one, and made the playoffs 8 years since we last went to the playoffs. They also had the #1 overall pick.
A little easier to right that ship.”
I know so damn funny how some retards here think isn’t it?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
NINERS d doest play. Remember the showboating AINTS in the Raiders field last week? No showboating this week and they were at home.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Just fire
Have to disagree.
The lines help the skill guys much more than the other way around.
Another reason to avoid big ego high round skill guys are their ridiculous contracts relative to production.
Give me a stout line and run the ball by committee the way most teams do it.
DMAC salary is not helping one bit.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Biggest thing we can do to fix the O-line is sack that loser Briesel.
We has downright awful in the second game of the preseason, and to his credit has been very consistant ever since.
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LMFAO. Agree 100%. Worst FA acquisition ever on many levels.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Why are Raider fans so misinformed?
ZBS? Reece, who you can tell is patient enough to wait for the backside cut, ran 15 times for 74 yards, an excellent 4.9 average.
Knapp will be fired because his play-calling isn’t good, but the ZBS works just fine when the RB knows how to work it. The system isn’t the problem.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
People on here talking 2013 draft….Really?
REALLY??
After seeing this smoldering, festering mass for 11 weeks straight, how can any humanoid with an IQ > 79 POSSIBLY have any hope whatsoever at this point?
Clearly this ‘organization’ (yes, that is pretty funny right there) has happily set in (slow) motion a vertical crash-dummy trajectory for the forseeable future that should remain pretty ’stable’ (a depresssing and funny choice of verbage, yes?)
Don’t fret though. DoA and RM have us covered. They will promise to stay the course, keep grinding and make no rash changes on the personnel or coaching front.
Thank G*d.
Yep, welcome to HOPELESS everyone…
Mid 2006-style…(definitely not Gangnam-Style)
November 25th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
All right guys. Look for a head or two to roll tomorrow. My inside source told me Amy and Mark are fit to be tied. She said it is real ugly right now. DA could go making Knapp a lame duck only HC, or knapp could go making DA the lame duck. She also thinks Tarver is gone. I’m going to get more info out of her, but first I got to wine and dine her, then give her about five hours of raking my garden if you will, slob the knob, ride the johnson, pole the hole and then maybe I can rest a bit. She is so damn demanding. That is a big price to pay for inside information, cause when I take a piss the next day, it hurts like a mo-fo.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
every team has show boated on the raiders this year…
November 25th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
404.
Meant Nathan Stupar. Not chad Kilgore. All the raider shlt from the last 30 years is blurring together tonight and making my head implode.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
It’s not a money thing. Although it is tied to the equation.
It’s a player thing. We have none. Oline and Dline are jokes. Until the foundation is fixed, nothing will change.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Reggie ain’t the problem. His personel moves have been solid. Sucks to loose but it will get better. One way or the other.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
“ABsolutely.
But you see what the Skins had to give up to get RGIII? A future 1st and 2nd, with our #17 pick, would not have been enough to move up into the top 2 of the draft.”
Not to mention what the Bears gave up for Cutler…they gave up 2 first round picks a 3rd round pick and player.
Palmer is about the same as Cutler so you do the math.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
alex7 hows that zone defense working? how about the zbs? cant say i told you so…oh wait….
November 25th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Our O-line is TERRIBLE.
Our RT didn’t even MOVE as the DE fires past him for a sack.
Wiz at C doesn’t even RECOGNIZE a stunt as another D-linemen flies right by him while Wiz engages with his original man. Bad o-line coaching.
Briesel is a better PLAYER than he’s showing now, as he showed the last 5 years in Houston, but our coach isn’t getting much out of him.
Veldeheer has regressed. Thinking it’s also due to bad coaching.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
I saw a dominant O-line in the 49ers lose at home in the playoffs against the team with better skill players.
We need better skill guys and defensive players. Safeties, RB’s, WR’s, a QB upgrade wouldn’t hurt, DB’s, edge rushers.
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they lost the game on a muffed punt. Oline is the most important position on the field besides QB and it must be fixed before anything else. Raiders historically have won SB’s with great oline play.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I say 3-5 years because this is not your standard change the coach/staff while keeping a full set of draft picks makeover.
This is a complete makeover culturally, administratively, philisophically as well as coaching and scheme. You will never see a bigger makeover in the NFL because no one ever ran a franchise like Mr Davis.
This year was a lost cause with big contracts still owed to poor performers or injury prone types like Dmac, Seymour, Kelly, McClain etc. Further we had less than a full set of picks which will continue to plague us into next year.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Why are Raider fans so misinformed?
ZBS? Reece, who you can tell is patient enough to wait for the backside cut, ran 15 times for 74 yards, an excellent 4.9 average.
Knapp will be fired because his play-calling isn’t good, but the ZBS works just fine when the RB knows how to work it. The system isn’t the problem.
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Uh! that is what most people have been sayin for 11 weeks………what took you so long?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Al
We lack talent. Nothing wrong with schemes that every GOOD team uses.
the zone is working just as well as the man worked for the last 10-years.
It will take a few years to learn to play it well, being our former leader didn’t let us even practice it.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
they lost the game on a muffed punt.
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They lost the game not getting anything out of their offense.
They had 4-5 drives the end of the game and OT to get a FG and go to the Super Bowl, and I don’t even think that world class O-line got them past midfield.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
The ZBS just didn’t fit DMC and isn’t that the biggest reason everyone hated it. Everyone knows the system itself works but why stop your star HB with a system? Run a system that he likes which is just common sense…..
November 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Our O-line is TERRIBLE.
Our RT didn’t even MOVE as the DE fires past him for a sack.
Wiz at C doesn’t even RECOGNIZE a stunt as another D-linemen flies right by him while Wiz engages with his original man. Bad o-line coaching.
Briesel is a better PLAYER than he’s showing now, as he showed the last 5 years in Houston, but our coach isn’t getting much out of him.
Veldeheer has regressed. Thinking it’s also due to bad coaching.
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That’s a pretty smart post MR although the last sentence is about half true.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Davis left us a truly terrible roster:
Gio = cut by other teams = Raider starter.
Wheeler = cut by other team = Raider starter.
CBs = cut by other team = Raiders starters.
Huff = our best corner = not even a real corner.
Shonasty = shell of former self after injury last year.
Kelly = washed up, single blocked all day today.
Bryant = situational pass-rusher (excellent one) = not starter.
TEs = none good enough to start on most other teams.
WRs = below average.
Can’t blame Reggie for having to bring in scraps just to fill out our terrible roster.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Charlie Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Just fire
Have to disagree.
The lines help the skill guys much more than the other way around.
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Charlie gets it, JFB clearly doesnt.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
lol…lack of talent…they dont want to play these weak aszs systems…
November 25th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
We practiced zone coverages we’re just not any good at it on Sunday’s is all. Our players as you can see excel at man coverage. So do what the players do best……..plain and simple.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
The ZBS just didn’t fit DMC and isn’t that the biggest reason everyone hated it. Everyone knows the system itself works but why stop your star HB with a system? Run a system that he likes which is just common sense…..
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Some ego these coaches have trying to force feed a scheme not suited to player personel. It’s a damn shame.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
FIREREGGIEYESTERDAY!
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Along with Condo?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
The lines help the skill guys much more than the other way around.
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CAn you give me an example of a good offense that changes the QB often? One that rotates over their WR core year to year?
Becuase I can give you numerous ones that have moved around LT’s and lineman year to year, but Brees, Brady and Manning kept up their HOF play.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Raider(since) 1967
One day while I was living in Florida in the 1980’s under JOE BUGGLE OR MIKE WHITE the RAIDERS were 8-8 and AL DAVIS
FIRE both coaches. My friend told me is ok let them lose more
Is better for us that way they will ” CLEAN THE HOUSE” and Al did! They traded, they went to free agency and they went to the draft.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Trade Carson to Arizona or Jets. Perfect fit as those teams are ACTUALLY a QB away from contention.
Raiders need new coaching And they need to turnover 95% of this rotten no good loser roster.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
they lost the game on a muffed punt.
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They lost the game not getting anything out of their offense.
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last I checked NYG D was pretty good.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
There’s nothing wrong with the talent but there is a huge problem with the staff………it will all come out after the season.
This staff made their first mistake running a system that made the star HB look like crap and went downhill from there.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Why are Raider fans so misinformed?
ZBS? Reece, who you can tell is patient enough to wait for the backside cut, ran 15 times for 74 yards, an excellent 4.9 average.
Knapp will be fired because his play-calling isn’t good, but the ZBS works just fine when the RB knows how to work it. The system isn’t the problem.
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No. The system isn’t the problem. The ignorance of blowing up a teams power blocking scheme w power blocking personnel that was doing just fine, an installing a complicated system w the wrong players and no back up plan IS A HUGE FING PROBLEM!!! I don’t think anyone here is ignorant enough to think the ZBS doesn’t work. It’s been working for Shanahan and Houston and others just fine. Bit it was NEVER GOING TO WORK FOR US OR MCFADDEN. it was ignorant and foolhardy to try. They destroyed a season. We could have been 8 and 8 or so and still rebuilding. Instead we r the laughing stock of the league. Again.
And here’s a side note genius. The league is gonna look at cut blocking next season (as they should because frankly it’s unsafe and borderline criminal anyway), so once that’s gone, WE GET TO START OVER IN 2013 W A WHOLE NEW SYSTEM AGAIN!!! Once again, ignorance from management and coaching W NO BACKUP PLAN.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
fire reggie and da just fir their stupid zones…
November 25th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Has an NFL team EVER had these many 1st-year administrative personnel combined with these many street free agents with starting roles?
A truly terrible roster and staff that will take years to shake out and build up.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Fire DA and knapp just to create some excitement and stir a buzz.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
last I checked NYG D was pretty good.
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Exactly my point.
World class O-lines by themselves don’t do squat against stout D’s.
Pats O-line is vastly inferior to the 49ers, and they were moving the ball around quite a bit more.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
With the O-line playing the way they are, I now wonder what was the real deal with Wiz and his departure?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
After reading about the fighting, boy am I glad I stopped watching at the half. I went outside and put up my christmas lights, and believe me, that tangling gave me more competition than what the Raiders gave the Bengals today.
Lights are up now and house looks great. Im in a much better mood not having watch that debacle today. Now I’m getting ready for “The Walking Dead”.
For once, I won’t let the Raiders ruin a perfectly good Sunday.
Fire them all for all I care.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
The lines help the skill guys much more than the other way around.
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CAn you give me an example of a good offense that changes the QB often? One that rotates over their WR core year to year?
Becuase I can give you numerous ones that have moved around LT’s and lineman year to year, but Brees, Brady and Manning kept up their HOF play.
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A QB aint schit without good olinemen in front of them, check SB winners and look at the Oline period.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
oh come on Priestt. Here you were making sensible posts and now you say THERE’S NOTHING WRONG WITH THE TALENT?
We have NUMEROUS STREET FREE AGENTS actually starting for us!
“Umm, you’re not good enough to even be one of the 53 players on another team…
but you’re one of our best. Welcome aboard.”
We have a TERRIBLE roster with very few play-makers. And unproven coaches.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Patriots offense doesn’t seem to be skipping a beat with Mankins out hurt and Matt Light retiring.
They just moved the RT over to LT, picked up some dudes nobody ever heard of inside, and made sure Tom Brady still was Tom Brady.
They are actually scoring more points now.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
4 day old room-temperature sushi > 2012 Oakland Raiders
November 25th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Trade Carson to Arizona or Jets. Perfect fit as those teams are ACTUALLY a QB away from contention.
Raiders need new coaching And they need to turnover 95% of this rotten no good loser roster.
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Yeah sure DMo included in that? how bout Criner and Streater who were just brought in. How bout Bilukidi and Des Bryant and veldheer and Wiz and Reece and all the young talent they just brought in?
Son you are an idiot stop watching football it just confuses you…….take up tennis or marbles something less strenuous, I’m just trying to help here.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
No top-shelf talent on the team, on either side of the ball.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Brief thoughts…
The OL is bad, but what do you realistically expect? We have had a terrible OL and the only talent we’ve infused are two mid round picks and and two very inexpensive free agent guards. It’s no wonder we’re over-matched talent-wise.
Wideouts are inexperienced, drop passes, can’t get open… again, we have an undrafted guy, a late round TE and a mid round WR among our starters, in addition to DHB. It should be no surprise we’re not elite there, but I do think this unit is good enough to win with.
Defensively, it’s a mess but I still maintain that system consistency will improve that issue. A bad defense will give up consistent 4- and 5- yard gains, but Raider defenses are more known for giving up slightly-less-frequent 50- yard gains. Such as when someone missed their gap on Benjarvus’s first long run. I think we have the talent to be a decent unit, but we REALLY need someone who can get to the quarterback. Defense is the weakest unit on the team, pass rush is the biggest deficiency there, that has to be the number one need going into the draft.
Finally, if we’re going to stick with ZBS, we should quit fooling ourselves and make Marcel Reese the feature back. He is a more confident runner in the scheme and is obviously much more successful. DMC, I’m not convinced he will ever be able to be healthy enough to justify what he will be paid anyway. And ZBS is not a fit for him.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Priest
Nothing wrong with the talent?
Surely you jest.
We have getting pummelled for ten years by good to average teams under the guidance of how many different coaches and schemes?
The one constant is over paid under producing players.
Come on. You are better than that.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
We gave up 221 yards of rushing. Just like the last 10 years with Kelly and other knuckleheads having zero gap-discipline and a bunch of stiffs at LB.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Talent isn’t schidt if they can’t tackle , catch or run…. This team needs tons of new players….
November 25th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
r8eray Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
With the O-line playing the way they are, I now wonder what was the real deal with Wiz and his departure?
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I think it’s obvious at this point..
Well I’ve caused enough trouble. thanks for listening!
November 25th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Yeah the ZBS works just fine…but you actually have to know how to coach it to make it work. You also need to draft O-linemen and RB’s who fit the scheme. You don’t take a roster full of power blocking O-linemen and RB and turn them into a ZBS team. That is just retarted and insane. That experiment alone should cost Knapp and DA their jobs.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Top Shelf?
Mad Dog 20-20 > 2012 0.0akland Raiders
November 25th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Someone will pay for this mess.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
last I checked NYG D was pretty good.
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Exactly my point.
World class O-lines by themselves don’t do squat against stout D’s.
Pats O-line is vastly inferior to the 49ers, and they were moving the ball around quite a bit more.
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Wrong Pats line is better a pass blocking 9ers better at run blocking. DAL olines killed BUFF stout line and there are others, like I said check SB winners and see the oline.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Priest,
You’ve been cheerleading the very moves and draft picks that have contributed to this disaster. Give me a call when DHB and Mike Mitchel play to their play.
This roster is devoid of talent. A couple of role players and maybe a starter or two. That’s it! Seriously!
November 25th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Gio and Branch are both bums. But at least Gio isn’t an overpaid bum like Branch. Paid like Ed Reed and plays like a bum.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Colts won their only Super Bowl with a 6th round pick, converted collegiate TE at LT.
Steelers won their Super Bowl with one of the worst O-line in football. Go watch the America’s Game on that team. Funny part, where Big Ben says he is goes into the huddle before the last game-winning drive and tells the O-line (paraphrasing) you guys have been ridiculued, and slammed all year, now is your time to step up.
First play, holding. Ben laughs about it.
Big Ben laughs it off, and him and Santonio Holmes bring home the Lombardi.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
These scrubs don’t deserve to wear the uniform.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Philip Buchanon
Fabian Washington
JR
Teyo Johnson
Doug Jolley
Napolaean Harris
Tyler Brayton
Gallery
Grove
Mike Mithchell
Thomas Howard
Stan Routt
Derrick Gibson
Tui
You do not have to look any further. 1st and 2nd round picks that stole money and never performed.
Lack of talent starts with our pathetic drafts.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Reggie is supposed to meet with the media this week..should’ve fun deciphering his mumbling…guy sounds like he’s got a mouthful of rocks to go with the rocks in his head…
DA was a HORRIBLE Hire.
Signings have been mediocre at best and draft has revealed, maybe 1 full time player.
Mark got Hoodwinked on this one by 3 old men who were retired from the game for years..
November 25th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Reece runs upright and the fact the team is getting beat by double digits is the reason for his success. The Raiders suck, they are who we thought they were. Knapp, Seymour, and Kelly need to go. Install a 3-4 defense. 2013 will be another rebuilding season. Hopefully the team will compete for the playoffs 2014.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Charlie Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Priest
Nothing wrong with the talent?
Surely you jest.
We have getting pummelled for ten years by good to average teams under the guidance of how many different coaches and schemes?
The one constant is over paid under producing players.
Come on. You are better than that.
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Charlie Charlie Charlie, these aren’t the same players son, 40% of this roster is new from a year ago. 2/3 of the LB corp is NEW The Dline has had an infusion of new talent as well as the Oline. The secondary is NEW players have been shuffled in and out more than ever. How many NEW players can he have brought in that he hasn’t. Our starting corners are both new 60% of the defense has been changed.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
DAL olines killed BUFF stout line and there are others, like I said check SB winners and see the oline.
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The game has evolved since then man.
Yes, in the 90’s, O-lines were king.
Today, QB-WR-TE rule the world.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Patriots offense doesn’t seem to be skipping a beat with Mankins out hurt and Matt Light retiring.
They just moved the RT over to LT, picked up some dudes nobody ever heard of inside, and made sure Tom Brady still was Tom Brady.
They are actually scoring more points now.
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did you stop to think their replacements may be pretty good?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Sure JLofty! it’s my fault we lost.
Ask Mommy to put you to bed, a cookie and warm milk should help.
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Fool.
You stated IF PALMER HAD PLAYED BETTER AND WON THE GAME.
I stated you’re a damn idiot for stating the game is all on the qb.
And you reply with the above?
Seriously, you didn’t go very far in school, did you?
You can’t even follow a train of thought, an idea, or a concept.
It’s true what everyone says about you, isn’t it?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
NYG oline is also dam good.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Hopefully the GM will realize the weaknesses of the team and attemp to resolve the issues.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
From one year ago, to keep saying these are the same players as 10 years ago is flat out retarded.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Raider guy Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Reggie ain’t the problem. His personel moves have been solid. Sucks to loose but it will get better. One way or the other.
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Reggie’s personnel moves have been horrible.
He signs Branch LONG TERM? Have u seen this jamoke play this yr.? He cannot even tackle. He whiffs constantly. Bad signing. The keeping Seymour another yr.? Big Dick has been worthless. Bartell? Joke. Brisiel? Even bigger joke.
Wheeler? I guess he’s been “ok” but that’s about it, and I haven’t even talked about the worthless draft picks he made. He didn’t have a full complement of draft picks but the ones he did make have not made any impact whatsoever.
And his choice of HC is extremely suspect. DA makes Hue Jack look like Vince Lombardi.
Before anyone gets outraged at that i invite you to take a look at the standings.
You can’t change the stats…especially that dreaded won loss one that people want to deny exists or pretend it “isn’t real”.
Forget that, just look at the humiliating, record setting (for futility) so called “team” that has been trotted out.
How many more embarrassing, ridiculously one -sided beatdown’s do you guys need?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Need #1 – Pass rusher (See Denver D turnaround w/ Von Miller).
Need #2 – 3-4 defense to compliment our players (Lamarr, McClain, guys we INVESTED in, are 3-4 guys)
Need #3 – True #1 WR (DHB is playing like a #4)
Need #4 – Safety upgrade over Gio (Gio is leader and hustles, keep him as backup).
Need #5 – New o-line coach to get them playing more like 2010 and 2011.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
D.A. is a defensive minded coach, but 5 out of 8 loses have been over 21 points.
Miami L 35-13
Denver L 37-6
Baltimore L 55-20
New Orleans L 38-17
Cincinnati L 34-10
And we lose to an undefeated team on the road by 3.
D.A and his staff are not motivators. Serious regression.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
did you stop to think their replacements may be pretty good?
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When Tom Brady is your QB, they are all good.
They have probably had 15 different starting O-lineman in his time there.
Were all 15 “pretty good”?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Just Fire
Big Ben is a unique talent that was able to extend plays better than most.
His average Oline has also got Ben on the sideline looking out of his earhole and Mendenhall licking his wounds.
Very low percentage play to think you will win with a mediocre Oline.
As I said earlier today, the Raiders were winning super bowls with great line play and running backs like Van Eeghan and Kenny King. Build the lines and the wins will follow.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
DA is not just soft, he’s Cheap too…
When asked at his presser to describe the Inadverdant Whistle, he said he couldn’t discuss without getting fined by the league…
Dude!YOUR team just got ROBBED by the Zebra’s and you are more worried about some money than taking up for your players in the media…
The Officials HATE US, period, trying to play nice is just asking for more abuse…
November 25th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
And now I’ll do my coaching thing.
So before I begin, I’ve never been more disappointed in a Raider team than I am now. Cincinnatti… to be physically outplayed in that kind of manner, it’s embarrassing. And, unlike NO or Baltimore, that is a team we have the talent to beat.
I still don’t think this team is giving up on the staff in place, and I still think you deserve more than a single year to win football games. But I agree with Mark Davis, too… this is three weeks and I think we have gotten progressively worse each week, a case could be made we’ve gotten progressively worse since Week 1. When I watch this team I think, good Lord how did we even win 3 games? This is 0-16 Lions bad, and if ESPN doesn’t list us last in the power rankings I’ll be mildly disappointed. It saddens me to think that Oakland will probably go into next weeks game against the Browns as the underdog, and we probably won’t even cover the spread.
And I’m quite sure we will continue sucking so long as we keep changing staffs, we will keep missing protections, missing gaps, blowing coverages, and generally not knowing what the heck we’re doing. I think if we change staffs next year, it will be another “rebuilding season” where guys learn the plays and the offense and the defense and whatnot, and maybe things will improve but we pass .500.
And then I think, Dennis Allen, the way he’s using this team may require much more than a few years to see us improve, if it will at all. So, honestly, I’m not sure. I don’t know if I should give up on DA or stick with it, and neither alternative is leading me to seeing a successful 2013, either. So, maybe I’m in a bad mood, but I’ll give in this time. I’ll chime in with the boo birds this week. This team sucks, I have no answers.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Branch…
Somehow 99% of the Raider planet said how great this guy played in 2011.
I watched very minute of 2011. Had his “ocassional moment” I suppose but boy he also had his “sadsack hours” for sure.
Serviceable? Mediocre? Sure, ok. DOMINANT? Playmaker? Please child…
Guess I (and the remaining 1%) had it right about Branch now, in 2011, 2010, etc.
Sorry ‘leading the team in tackles’ = zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
It means NOTHING (except that your Dl and lbs suck shatpole )
November 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
DAL olines killed BUFF stout line and there are others, like I said check SB winners and see the oline.
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The game has evolved since then man.
Yes, in the 90’s, O-lines were king.
Today, QB-WR-TE rule the world.
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wrong again, the game will never change that much olines will always be king.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
812.alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Need #1 – Pass rusher (See Denver D turnaround w/ Von Miller).
Need #2 – 3-4 defense to compliment our players (Lamarr, McClain, guys we INVESTED in, are 3-4 guys)
Need #3 – True #1 WR (DHB is playing like a #4).
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Add Fire Knapp!
Need #4 – Safety upgrade over Gio (Gio is leader and hustles, keep him as backup).
Need #5 – New o-line coach to get them playing more like 2010 and 2011.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
The Raiders have surrendered a total of 356 pts this year, and have a net pt total of -138. Only the Queefs have less, @ -140, but that will all change when they play the Raiders. This sucks…
November 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
r8eray Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
With the O-line playing the way they are, I now wonder what was the real deal with Wiz and his departure?
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I think it’s obvious at this point..
Well I’ve caused enough trouble. thanks for listening!
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Acting the board fool isn’t causing trouble.
You’re kind of comedy relief, which for a team playing the way they are, it’s kind of nice having an easy target such as yourself, setting yourself up for a beatdown.
Kind of cheap therapy, you know?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Bigsnow
Reece has been running just fine in the 1st quarter the last two games, regardless of the score. He simply knows how to run in a cut-back scheme.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Bigsnow
Reece has been running just fine in the 1st quarter the last two games, regardless of the score. He simply knows how to run in a cut-back scheme.
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He runs upright. Mcfadden did this his first season.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Yes, Fire Knapp! and that lame excuse of a D-Coordinator.
Come to think of it, maybe Mac hired Allen all along to see whether he’d succeed or fail, ultimately deciding to keep him or can him after one year. Just a thought. Crazier things have happened in Alameda…
November 25th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Even at 3-8 the only tgame that matters to me is the Raiders game.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Those Baseball Bats DA gave out before the Pitt game must’ve been made from Pressboard, cause this team can’t fight for 15 minutes of a 60 minute game…
November 25th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
The last 1st round pick from the team that drafted him at LT to go to the Super Bowl is Walter Jones from Seattle.
Last one to win a Super Bowl? Not even sure. Maybe the Dallas teams of the 90’s.
Browns drafted a LT #1 overall, and a Center #1 in back to back drafts. Pathetic offense for two years.
Drafted a QB and RB this season, things look a lot better.
I have a zillion examples.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Reece is a hybrid fullback! Mackenzie should have known to sign someone. ANYONE! When he lost Bush, and he friggin’ KNEW that McFadden was made of glass, so he’s fully culpable in my mind!
Mac gets a Mulligan this year. next year, if this doesn’t change the fits gonna hit the shan.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
CPatton
not sure why people think we’re regressing. Football people had us pegged at 4-12. I predicted 6-10.
I mean, we’ve only beaten the Chiefs and Jaguars, and a below-average Steelers team.
ALL YEAR LONG we’ve been struggling against decent teams, we just happened to play really bad ones earlier on in the season.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
They are whoi we thought they were!
November 25th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Priest
The guys Reggie could get were available for a reason.
I give him credit for trying.
He has gotten rid of 27 off last year’s roster (13 are not even in the league).
THAT IS HUGE.
The fact remains Free agents are available for a reason. Bartell and Spencer were available because they are injury prone. WHAT HAPPENED?
The only way to correct this mess is through the draft. The only guys that can help us play on the line for Ohio State, ND and Alabama.
I feel the pain just like you. Believe me.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
JFB, I figured you would talk about pitts oline in their SB years but their the exception not the rule.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
zbs suxs
November 25th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
The Oline is King, and always will be.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Maybe after seeing the Browns walk off the field celebrating yet another lopsided beatdown of the Raiders in front of 30k at the OCO next Sunday it will finally sink in how dismally low this new regime has taken us. In such short order too.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
JLofty, Relax son Palmer isn’t nor have I ever said he is the problem. I said he had an opportunity to win both those games he just didn’t get it done. It’s NOT purely his fault we lost them he gave a valiant effort but he wasn’t the difference a Pmanning may have been per se. Get it!
Now relax have some warm milk before you blow a gasket. It aint that serious! Whew!!!
How many times do i need to say it people………….I realize Palmer isn’t solely at fault but he has to stop the ints.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
So, I say trade back, get as much as possible (depending on where we land, which, at this point, could be the first overall)–maybe this years late 1, 2, and 3 and next years as well? Would any team give up that much? There’s no RG3 in next years draft.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
JFB, I figured you would talk about pitts oline in their SB years but their the exception not the rule.
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Packers O-line wasn’t all that great the year they won it. I belive they gave up the most sacks or close to the most sacks in the NFC that year, and didn’t have much of a running game either.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Mark doesn’t have the money to eat All the contracts he’s handed out to these mouth breathers on the coaching staff and in the GM’s office…
Even the Special Ed teacher brother of Reggie got a paycheck from Harbor Pkwy…freakin’ PATHETIC.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
JFB
excellent examples.
Browns draft Joe Thomas and Mack at C = suck.
Browns get guys at skill positions = decent.
Dolphins draft Jake Long = no noticeable progress.
Dolphins draft Tannehill and Daniel Thomas, add Bush = decent.
Can we even name one O-line player from the Packers, Texans, or Colts?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Raider guy Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Reggie ain’t the problem. His personel moves have been solid. Sucks to loose but it will get better. One way or the other.
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Reggie’s personnel moves have been horrible.
He signs Branch LONG TERM? Have u seen this jamoke play this yr.? He cannot even tackle. He whiffs constantly. Bad signing. The keeping Seymour another yr.? Big Dick has been worthless. Bartell? Joke. Brisiel? Even bigger joke.
Wheeler? I guess he’s been “ok” but that’s about it, and I haven’t even talked about the worthless draft picks he made. He didn’t have a full complement of draft picks but the ones he did make have not made any impact whatsoever.
And his choice of HC is extremely suspect. DA makes Hue Jack look like Vince Lombardi.
Before anyone gets outraged at that i invite you to take a look at the standings.
You can’t change the stats…especially that dreaded won loss one that people want to deny exists or pretend it “isn’t real”.
Forget that, just look at the humiliating, record setting (for futility) so called “team” that has been trotted out.
How many more embarrassing, ridiculously one -sided beatdown’s do you guys need?
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Agree wholeheartedly
November 25th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
East Oak.
Absolutely spot on.
Oakland never had a star running back till Marcus.
We invested our high round picks on the Oline and drafted guys like Hubbard in the 11th round and IT WORKED.
Though I agree the Oline is the heart of the team our Dline is far worse. Only Houston is a keeper.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
CPatton
not sure why people think we’re regressing. Football people had us pegged at 4-12. I predicted 6-10.
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what did they predict last year for the Raiders or 9ers?
not 8-8 and 13-3 I’m sure.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Raider(since) 1967
LOOK-We all know Reggie is going to get it done! TRUE
We also know he is going to do some HOUSE CLEANING!
#3 -HE may fire some coaches also.
#4 – There’s going to be an overhaul of players
#5- Changes in position and new play making
#6 – A strong Draft pics
#7- Closer player evaluation on FILM and present contract status.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
JFB, I figured you would talk about pitts oline in their SB years but their the exception not the rule.
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It’s a helluva lot more recent than Nate Newton and Art Shell, like you guys are giving me.
I want to know the dominant O-lines winning Super Bowls, or even going to Super Bowls, and how they got their O-line together.
I am sure you can give me an example in the last 10 years. Until then, I rest my case.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Charlie Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Priest
The guys Reggie could get were available for a reason.
I give him credit for trying.
He has gotten rid of 27 off last year’s roster (13 are not even in the league).
THAT IS HUGE.
The fact remains Free agents are available for a reason. Bartell and Spencer were available because they are injury prone. WHAT HAPPENED?
The only way to correct this mess is through the draft. The only guys that can help us play on the line for Ohio State, ND and Alabama.
I feel the pain just like you. Believe me.
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Well hopefully Reggie will get his chance to show he can do better than what he’s done so far. I’m not at all impressed with what he has done to date. I think he got rid of some promising talent to bring in some garbage, to be kind.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Bears O-line has for YEARS been terrible.
Add Cutler, Forte, and Brandon Marshall = playoff-caliber every season.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
The Browns are on a roll, playing tough and WILL take the D to task on the ground…
Doesn’t matter if we Sell Out to stop the run, poor decisions by the LB corps will send them to the races…what a MESS.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Priest you keep saying its the staff,..youre wrong dude,…not the coaching staff anyway,…reggie mckenzie is in way over his head in a management position…reggie is maybe qualified to do Run Run Jones old job,..except change his name to Walk Walk. DA is a great yound head coach with losers and quitters on the team, and a real dumbsht as his boss…and of course we all can agree on darren mcfadden, he faked an injury last year and is at it again,..so is Jacoby Ford,..DMC is a cancer that has spread throughout this team. I have just enlightened you.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
PManning took mid to low draft picks and went to the playoffs every year. You have to be able to do both just get the right players no matter how or when just get them. Reggie has been getting garbage……….period
November 25th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Colts O-line couldn’t do anything last year. Terrible run and pass team.
Draft Luck, TEs, and TY Hilton and now the offense moves.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Of course it’s the staff.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
“I was unaware that a ruling of an inadvertent whistle would give them the opportunity to choose what they wanted to do,” said Raiders rookie coach Dennis Allen. “It was unfortunate.”
Are you f’ing kidding me?!?!? That’s all he’s got? WTF!!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
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Pop another pill and take the rest of the nite off.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
If Reggie is her to stay,, which he probably is, cause Mark won’t eat the $ on his deal.
Mark needs to Hire President of Football Operations to become Reggie’s Boss and keep him in line.
It shouldmhave been done before he hired Eg, but Mark was eager to get it over with, even though it was the Biggest decision of his life.
This will stop Reg from doing whatever he wants without any checks and balances on his decision making process…
November 25th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
EastOak
I think people did have us as .500 team last year. I mean, we were 8-8 two years ago so not sure why they wouldn’t. Vegas kinda knows their stuff.
They knew we were terrible, I knew it, some other posters knew it.
ZERO play-makers on D, below average WRs, crapshoot with DMac.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
It will be unfortunate when he’s fired. Unfortunate cause it will have taken too long.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Now look at the same Super Bowl teams.
1st round picks EVERYWHERE at WR. Tons of them.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Charlie Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
East Oak.
Absolutely spot on.
Oakland never had a star running back till Marcus.
We invested our high round picks on the Oline and drafted guys like Hubbard in the 11th round and IT WORKED.
Though I agree the Oline is the heart of the team our Dline is far worse. Only Houston is a keeper.
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yeah we need a pass rusher in the worst way. I read up on the DE from A&M led SEC in sacks I would pick him if we choose to keep our pick and not trade down. but we need oline help just as bad C/RG/RT spots all need upgrading.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Just fire
I think what you are hearing is that you at least need an average line to be able to compete in the NFL.
Your points about the Giants, Packers and Steelers are valid but their lines were much better than ours.
Though I prefer the dominant Oline like I alluded to regarding ND earlier today, I would settle for average.
Our line play is awful. As a result we are not even competitive.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
“I was unaware that a ruling of an inadvertent whistle would give them the opportunity to choose what they wanted to do,” said Raiders rookie coach Dennis Allen. “It was unfortunate.”
Are you f’ing kidding me?!?!? That’s all he’s got? WTF!!!!
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Is it starting to sink in now?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
The Raiders are “Unfortunate” to have DA as a coach!
November 25th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Now look at the same Super Bowl teams.
1st round picks EVERYWHERE at WR. Tons of them.
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oline and qb make the team go on O if you dont know that you dont know football.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Priestt,
Manning had 1st round picks everywhere at the SKILL positions. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Dallas Clark = 1st ROUND PICKS.
His o-line? Bunch of nobodies – even Jeff Saturday was undrafted.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
1h Comedy therapy for a lost sports decade is just about over for me tonight….Already wasted far too much time on this putrid stenchpot of a ‘team’…
FIRE DEAD COACH WALKING!
3-13, YEAH BABY!
November 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
You can’t win with “Awful” anything, unless your are lights out elsewhere (QB/defense).
WE need to improve the O-line, no doubt about it. I would love to draft that Center from ‘Bama.
But a dominant O-line with Palmer getting crossed up with D-Moore consistantly would fix nothing.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Please remember that last year down the stretch we got crushed by the Chargers, Fish and Packers.
We blew a lead to the Lions that still annoys me giving up 28.
The only win was an OT against the Chefs.
We sucked last year as well especially on defense. We beat the Bears without Cutler, The donkeys with Orton and the Vikes with Ponder as a rookie.
Yes it was a mirage.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
EastOak
I think people did have us as .500 team last year. I mean, we were 8-8 two years ago so not sure why they wouldn’t. Vegas kinda knows their stuff.
They knew we were terrible, I knew it, some other posters knew it.
ZERO play-makers on D, below average WRs, crapshoot with DMac.
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9ers? 13-3? doubt that.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
I get what you’re saying and I agree with you, but it’s a little unfair of a comparison for LT’s drafted in 1st still playing for the same team. I’d be interested to see the breakdown of SB winners, past decade for 1st round WR/TE vs. OL.
Line is important, but it’s a QB driven league, which means wideout, pass rusher and cornerback will round out the most important four positions for years to come. Check out first round (and first overall pick) QB’s on SB teams, the only exceptions in recent memory are Brady (6th), Warner (und) and Brees (early 2nd).
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Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Now look at the same Super Bowl teams.
1st round picks EVERYWHERE at WR. Tons of them.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Sick of hearing the “we gotta get better” “we gotta do a better job” “we just have to execute” comments from DA, he is embarrassing himself and the organization every time he opens his mouth. I’ll take the snake oil salesman over this broken record any day.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
PManning took mid to low draft picks and went to the playoffs every year. You have to be able to do both just get the right players no matter how or when just get them. Reggie has been getting garbage……….period
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Yeah, the oil e was no names but they could play. Oh yeah, they had those 2 guys on the Dline, Mathis and Freeney.
We have nothing. It’s a old saying, games are win and lost in the trenches.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
oline and qb make the team go on O if you dont know that you dont know football.
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OK, that is not a point or a reference, or anything of substance.
We are done.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
This isn’t 1970 when you could just maul your opponent to death at the line of scrimmage, hold them, club them.
Rules have changed the game. Skill players make or break teams.
O-line certainly helps, but like the JETS, Browns, Chiefs, and Dolphins have proven, you don’t draft O-linemen and expect your O to improve.
You draft skill players.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
I would love to know what in hell Reggie saw in DA, I’ve been wondering that since he picked the guy.
I just can’t reconcile how he could fire Hue Jackson not have a man in waiting and hire a raw ROOKIE who he didn’t even know. Hue knew the strengths and weaknesses of this team he and Reg could’ve cut a lot of hours and mistake making to a minimum just discussing who could and who couldn’t.
Hue would’ve made Reggie look very smart. All he would’ve ha dto do is give Hue the tools he needed to make it better. But this long road to nowhere just makes zero sense to me. He made his job infinitely much harder. Just with that one decision.
November 25th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Reggie says he not married to any particular scheme, but I guess DA in his limited offensive experience is married to the ZBS, or is it Knapp?
November 25th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Palmer was sacked four times, including twice on the Raiders’ opening possession. He threw an interception. He lost a fumble…….
“I think it had a lot to do with the rush,” said Raiders coach Dennis Allen.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!
Quote of the f’ing year!!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Priestt,
Manning had 1st round picks everywhere at the SKILL positions. Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Edgerrin James, Dallas Clark = 1st ROUND PICKS.
His o-line? Bunch of nobodies – even Jeff Saturday was undrafted.
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Arian Foster was unfrafted as was james Harrison so your point is? Hell brady was a late pick. Montana a mid round pick.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Frustrated and depsondent.
I am calling it a day.
Hopefully we all have a college program we can follow into the holidays.
Wait till April for the Raiders. Long cold winter.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
We have nothing. It’s a old saying, games are win and lost in the trenches.
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Tell me something I don’t know. Show me one great trench player he brought in, and don’t resort to the he had no options line, I just ate. EVery player on the line he has brought in IMO has been average to terrible. The only player Reggie has brought in trhat I really like is Bilukidi……….period. the rest are just guys.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Hopefully we all have a college program we can follow into the holidays.
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UNM Lobo’s are undefeated in hoops!!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
I would love to know what in hell Reggie saw in DA, I’ve been wondering that since he picked the guy.
I just can’t reconcile how he could fire Hue Jackson not have a man in waiting and hire a raw ROOKIE who he didn’t even know. Hue knew the strengths and weaknesses of this team he and Reg could’ve cut a lot of hours and mistake making to a minimum just discussing who could and who couldn’t.
Hue would’ve made Reggie look very smart. All he would’ve ha dto do is give Hue the tools he needed to make it better. But this long road to nowhere just makes zero sense to me. He made his job infinitely much harder. Just with that one decision.
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Maybe Reggie, being a rookie GM, didn’t want a strong,independent personality as a HC that might challenge him early in the process.
Instead, he got a rookie, rha-rha, all business, soldier type coach that would be loyal, stick to the plan and not openly buck the new GM.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Only ONE lineman was drafted in the first 20 picks last year.
The Giants, Packers, Texans, and Patriots picked non-linemen.
The Bucs, Colts, Redskins, and Dolphins turned their teams around drafting a skill position player.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Priest,…you may like to blame the staff, but its the roster thats the problem,..you have a cancerous tumor in the building, (not on the field usually), buy the name of Darren McFadden,..he fakes injuries, all the way back before he was a Hog,…hes not a football player, has no speed, no ball skills,…the problem of this team is the have a real dumb guy as their GM, and about 48 players on his roster that couldnt be a ball boy in San Francisco. You dont believe me, call Gary tomorrow, he will lay it out for you,..and if it werent for me Gary wouldnt take your call,..show some gratitude old man.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
My inside source just gave me another tip. Said Reggies’ presser was for mid to late week but may move it to tomorrow because Amy and Mark ripped him a new butthole so he’s itching to fire somebody. She heard Reggie mumbling something but could not make it out. Now I gotta go and pop a few viagras cause this b1tch wants to go at it til the rooster crows.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
oline and qb make the team go on O if you dont know that you dont know football.
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OK, that is not a point or a reference, or anything of substance.
We are done.
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why do you people make things so complicated? a qb cant throw without protection, a rb cant run without holes to run through, a wr cant get the ball passed to him if the qb is on his back. simple stuff.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
There’s nothing wrong with the talent but there is a huge problem with the staff………it will all come out after the season.
This staff made their first mistake running a system that made the star HB look like crap and went downhill from there.
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How can you keep saying there is nothing wrong with the talent? That is ridiculous. You are the only one who believes that.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Big Dummy Reggie got rid of the only running back we had, Mike Bush,..now all he has left is a wide receiver pretending to be a half back,…thats on you reggie.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Alex7 and I are dropping facts and examples to back up our arguements.
Whether we are right or wrong, facts to back up a statement.
The other side is spitting off 1985 taglines.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
I think Hue’s outspokenness cost him his job. The “I’m in charge now mentality”. And the penalty situation last season was a joke. The team was 8-8 in the weakest division in football and couldn’t beat Tebow when it counted. He was not head coaching material. Maybe someday, but not last year and not now.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
gruden = bush averaged 3 yard a pop today. that was a stupid thing to say.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Bears might go to the Super Bowl with the worst O-line in football.
Certainly will make the playoffs and probably win the division.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
eastoak
my point is when you look at top teams, you see 1st round picks spent on SKILL players.
There is not a SINGLE TOP TEAM that you look at and say “yeah, they built that team through the o-line.”
In two seasons, Harbaugh in SF has NOT spent a single 1st or 2nd round pick on a lineman.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Only ONE lineman was drafted in the first 20 picks last year.
The Giants, Packers, Texans, and Patriots picked non-linemen.
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LOL, that because they already have good olines.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
alex 7 and you are the only fools licking reggies boots…
November 25th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Only thing cool about this season is Carson Palmers stache,..its bad to the bone.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
what round was iupoti drafted in?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
No Mas,…Bears won, going to playoffs,..Raiders are the joke of the NFL,..I already knew you were an idiot, now all here do too now. Good job loser.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
In two seasons, Harbaugh in SF has NOT spent a single 1st or 2nd round pick on a lineman.
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Thats because Singltary did.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
oops sorry. didn’t realize johngruden2013 was a troll. Sorry people. I violated the code. I should have known by his harbaugh sack-breath… my bad…
November 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Only ONE lineman was drafted in the first 20 picks last year.
The Giants, Packers, Texans, and Patriots picked non-linemen.
The Bucs, Colts, Redskins, and Dolphins turned their teams around drafting a skill position player.
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That’s fine and all but when you do pick ones, make sure you evaluate talent correctly. Same goes for FAs
November 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I know I know poor Reggie poor poor Reggie his hands were tied by the previous GM. Then please tell me why we hired this fool.
Why not get an experienced GM who is totally connected throughout the league capable of making great deals to help us. Why hire this neophyte???
I have said that from the outset, we’re stepping off a high ledge without a parachute. Or a soft landing hiring Reggie………..in the situation we were in we needed a strong talented experienced GM who was well connected not some Neophyte learning on the JOB!! I want Ken Herock and Ron Wolfe to answer for this they should be made to help him clean this mess up. I know they would’ve NEVER hired DA nor this idiot knapp.
I hold them as responsible as I do Mark Davis because I know he didn’t know. But that is NOT the case with those great men. They neeed to help Mark straighten Reggie out.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
trolls ignored… my bad… ( but man has he got some bad sack-breath)
November 25th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
By the way there is no Reg Mckenzie PC, the Raiders are an inept bunch but they for sure will not allow an illiterate dummy like Reggie to speak publicly.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
reggie sucks quit making excuses for this overated coffee boy…
November 25th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Raider (since) 1967
FLASH -NEWS SPORT- FLASH FLASH FLASH!
IF WE GET GRUDEN HERE ON EXTENDED CONTRACT.
I WILL KNEEL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD IN
OAKLAND AND LI@K HIS A$$ !
BET IS ON NOW!
REGGIE I DARE YOU!
I WILL GIVE ALL MY INFO TO JERRY AND CORK AND MY EMAIL
AND FACEBOOK ADDRESS AND TWITTER.
I WILL GO TO OAKLAND FROM MIAMI, FLA
November 25th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Big Dummy Reggie got rid of the only running back we had, Mike Bush,..now all he has left is a wide receiver pretending to be a half back,…thats on you reggie.
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Bush is averaging 3 yards a carry. He’s not missed.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Over the years we haven’t had the healthiest 1st + round draft picks. Nothing wrong with FA and good drafting, but you got to have a bona fide GM and HC. We do not have that. Til we do, we won’t be very good. Good coaching will always maximise mediocre talent and bring out the best of its players. Our coaches cannot do that. They, like the GM, don’t know how to.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Rams draft Orlado Pace then filled in the rest
Bmore drafted JOgden and filled in the rest
Jags also tried this with TBoselli it was going well for them too but injuries derailed his career.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Who the heck cares what ron wolf or madden say these days?…nobody,..well one person did,..sadly.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Eastoak
a lot of good it did Singletary to draft O-lineman and play smash-mouth football
That old stuff isn’t how you win games nowadays. Even the 49ers will spread you out and run it that way, then jumbo package and play-action. Similar to how the Ducks run the ball.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Another pathetic performance.
Same old same old same old crap.
Refs crapping all over us, making rules up as they go along. Our O-Line is one of the worst in the league. Our WRs continue to have balls fly off there hands, and sometimes lead to INT’s. And our LBs miss their gaps constantly.
Ive officially given up on Rolando McClain. If not for his draft position and paycheck, he’d have been cut a long time ago.
DHB is maddening. I wanna support the kid but he just drops too many balls.
Briesel needs to go. Our whole O-Line sucks this year. Plain and simple.
There are only a few players worth keeping right now. Most of this team will be gone next year.
Normal attrition for a NFL team is 25% turnover each year. So far, 40% of the squad from last year arent on the team and half of those guys arent even in the NFL. That is unheard of. 20% of our roster last year was not NFL caliber!!!
That is 1 out of 5 players folks. That means 2 out of 11 starters dont even belong in the NFL.
You guys still wanna blame Chucky B? Coaching isnt this teams problem. A lack of talent is. We’re seeing the same things out of this team that we’ve always seen. And the Al Davis way of blaming the coaches wont fix it just like it never has in the past.
By this time next year less than 20% of Al’s team will be left here and hopefully they’ll all be on the bench.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
In two seasons, Harbaugh in SF has NOT spent a single 1st or 2nd round pick on a lineman.
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He didn’t have to they were already there. They have 3 1st rnd picks on that line and Harbaugh doesn’t pick players anyway the GM does.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
“Big Dummy Reggie got rid of the only running back we had, Mike Bush,..now all he has left is a wide receiver pretending to be a half back,…thats on you reggie.”
What about Rock Cartwright we sure could use him about now….
November 25th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Albert,..you think Bush misses being a Raider?…lmao,…hes going to the playoffs for the first time in his career,..all it took was leaving Oakland.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Eastoak
the game and rules have changed a LOT in the last 15 years. Catch up.
Bring up some modern info.
Look at what drafting Jake Long, Joe Thomas, and Matt Kalil did for their respective teams. Nada.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Over the years we haven’t had the healthiest 1st + round draft picks. Nothing wrong with FA and good drafting, but you got to have a bona fide GM and HC. We do not have that. Til we do, we won’t be very good. Good coaching will always maximise mediocre talent and bring out the best of its players. Our coaches cannot do that. They, like the GM, don’t know how to.
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Now we have a winna! pretty simple when you boil it down huh?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Big dummy reggies job is safe,..until Mark sells the team and its moved to LA,…2014,…maybe reggie can go to LA with them, be the dude that wipes the sweat off the floor at Staples Center.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Eastoak
the game and rules have changed a LOT in the last 15 years. Catch up.
Bring up some modern info.
Look at what drafting Jake Long, Joe Thomas, and Matt Kalil did for their respective teams. Nada.
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Those franchises are all dumpster fires. Stop making everything black and white. Just drafting skill players isnt going to solve anything.
Our franchise has been a joke for 2 decades sans the Gannon era. It’s going to take some time to rid our locker room of all the cancers.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Priestt
and how did that 1st-round o-line look for the 49ers under Singletary, who wanted to ram it down everyone’s throat?
Harbaugh comes in, sends out 4-WR formations, hones the SKILL players, drafts QBs/WRs/RBs, and suddenly the 49ers have the SKILL players to win.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
yeah like zone defense and zbs both of which make the raiders the dwellers of division 2 football
November 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
“In two seasons, Harbaugh in SF has NOT spent a single 1st or 2nd round pick on a lineman.
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He didn’t have to they were already there. They have 3 1st rnd picks on that line and Harbaugh doesn’t pick players anyway the GM does.”
They picked 2 Guards in the first round in 2010 check for yourself if you don’t believe me
November 25th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
there is always a franchise LT taken in the first round. normally in the top 10.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
one if the biggest supporters of “modern” football is alex7 aka mctroll20….hows it working iut for you zone lover?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RR
drafting SKILL players changed the organizational paths of the:
Lions
Bucs
Falcons
ALL it takes is a game-breaking QB, WR, or RB and you’re in business. O-line? Throw anyone out there, as the Packers, Bears, Texans, and Giants have proven.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
“In two seasons, Harbaugh in SF has NOT spent a single 1st or 2nd round pick on a lineman.
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He didn’t have to they were already there. They have 3 1st rnd picks on that line and Harbaugh doesn’t pick players anyway the GM does.”
They picked 2 Guards in the first round in 2010 check for yourself if you don’t believe me
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Dont let the facts get in the way of a dumb argument.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Our franchise has been a joke for 2 decades sans the Gannon era. It’s going to take some time to rid our locker room of all the cancers.
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Start with the coaches. Get a HC in here who can piss fire and watch how quickly players turn it around. These players have quit on these coaches cause their fed up with the coach speak. Tough to play for someone like that.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
I think DA has a great career ahead of him, reminds me of a young Mike Shanahan,…the problem in Oakland is a very stupid GM, and a roster of quitters. But they will be LA`s problem starting in 2014.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Albert,..you think Bush misses being a Raider?…lmao,…hes going to the playoffs for the first time in his career,..all it took was leaving Oakland.
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No, I don’t think he misses the Raiders. But, Reggie made the right decision not signing him.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
there is always a franchise LT taken in the first round. normally in the top 10.
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I am sure one around the league is starting for a playoff team, but I can’t think of it.
Can you?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Priestt
and how did that 1st-round o-line look for the 49ers under Singletary, who wanted to ram it down everyone’s throat?
Harbaugh comes in, sends out 4-WR formations, hones the SKILL players, drafts QBs/WRs/RBs, and suddenly the 49ers have the SKILL players to win.
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but still without that line does the 9er qb have time to throw? does Gore have holes to run through?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Dennis Allen reminds me of Lane Kiffin and Josh McDaniels.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Packers = no franchise LT drafted.
Bears = no franchise LT drafted.
Texans = no franchise LT drafted.
Giants = no franchise LT drafted.
Steelers = no franchise LT drafted.
Browns, Jets, Vikings, Dolphins = franchise LT drafted.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Reg did make the right decision not signing him, the right decision for Mike that is.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
yeah like zone defense and zbs both of which make the raiders the dwellers of division 2 football
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Part of the vanilla-ization 5-10 year program. Why would anybody ever want to whitewash the Raiders? I hoped (at first) Reggie was gonna be the dude that made them badder than ever. Man was I stupid wrong.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
there is always a franchise LT taken in the first round. normally in the top 10.
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I am sure one around the league is starting for a playoff team, but I can’t think of it.
Can you?
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Bmore Micheal Oher.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
9ers LT.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RR
drafting SKILL players changed the organizational paths of the:
Lions
Bucs
Falcons
ALL it takes is a game-breaking QB, WR, or RB and you’re in business. O-line? Throw anyone out there, as the Packers, Bears, Texans, and Giants have proven.
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Really? You are clearly not paying attention.
Lions – Revamped their entire front office. New coaching. And beefed up the Defense considerably.
Bucs – Their QB wasnt drafted, he was developed. Josh Freeman would have went the way of Jamarcuss had we drafted him.
Falcons – Dont even remotely compare us to them. They have one of the most stable front offices in pro sports. The complete opposite of us the last 3 decades.
My point being, we need a lot more than just a new WR or QB.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
STFU about a LT. Raiders should not take a LT top 3 pick. We need an impact player on D
November 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
You guys still wanna blame Chucky B? Coaching isnt this teams problem. A lack of talent is. We’re seeing the same things out of this team that we’ve always seen. And the Al Davis way of blaming the coaches wont fix it just like it never has in the past.
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Anyone trusting Reggie to solve this isn’t paying attention. No matter how much you hate Al Davis we are losing games in ways Al Davis never saw and by more points. This defense and the rest of the team has regressed so badly it is SHOCKING!!
This isn’t the Raiders this is nothing it’s making me HATE this team. I can’t get excited as I did last year hoping we could get in the playoffs with 2 games left. The playoffs are so far out of my conciousness with ths team it’s laughable. To blam e anyone other than those in leadership positions is ridiculous and quite frankly sad you have to resort to blaming a dead man for something you just did.
What an agenda!!!! It’s not my fault it’s his….
November 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I know I know poor Reggie poor poor Reggie his hands were tied by the previous GM. Then please tell me why we hired this fool.
Why not get an experienced GM who is totally connected throughout the league capable of making great deals to help us. Why hire this neophyte???
I have said that from the outset, we’re stepping off a high ledge without a parachute. Or a soft landing hiring Reggie………..in the situation we were in we needed a strong talented experienced GM who was well connected not some Neophyte learning on the JOB!! I want Ken Herock and Ron Wolfe to answer for this they should be made to help him clean this mess up. I know they would’ve NEVER hired DA nor this idiot knapp.
I hold them as responsible as I do Mark Davis because I know he didn’t know. But that is NOT the case with those great men. They neeed to help Mark straighten Reggie out.
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YOU ANSWERED YOURSELF IN YOUR FIRST SENTENCE, YOU MORON.
Al Davis destroyed this team. Ya, Al.
Not Mark. Not Reggie. Not DA.
Al Davis spend stupid money after stupid money. Bad draft after bad draft. Bad FA signing after bad FA signing.
YOUR BICHASS DEFENDED EACH AND EVERYONE OF AL’S DECISIONS, THAT DRAGGED THIS ORGANIZATION DOWN TO THE BOTTOM..one of the absolute worst run organizations in all of sports, for 10 plus YEARS.
And now? after half a season, you run this total BS? That it’s now Reggie’s fault? That REGGIE SHOULD DO IN HALF A SEASON WHAT AL DAVIS COULDN’T DO THE LAST TEN SEASONS?
stfu, you decrepit joke of a fan.
It’s obvious you are senile. It’s obvious you can’t follow simple progressions.
Al blew it, old man. AL BROUGHT THIS ORGANIZATION DOWN WITH 10 YEARS OF SENILE STUBBORN HEAD UP ASS DECISIONS.
This is all on your hero. Now put down the bottle, and check your Depends.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Michel Oher is what I can come up with, although he was not taken in the top 10, and was a RT the last few years.
Moved to LT to play in the ZBS the Ravens run.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
there is always a franchise LT taken in the first round. normally in the top 10.
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I am sure one around the league is starting for a playoff team, but I can’t think of it.
Can you?
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Bmore Micheal Oher.
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Youre making sense tonite. Well done Eastoak.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Eastoak
your argument is collapsing.
With that line, why didn’t Alex Smith have time to throw in Singletary’s years? Why didn’t Gore have the holes to run through and lead his team to victories? Same line, only difference is…SKILL PLAYERS.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Read that the Mark Davis twitter account is fake.
The same one that said Reg is gonna have a press conference.
Not sure what to believe anymore.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Packers = no franchise LT drafted.
Bears = no franchise LT drafted.
Texans = no franchise LT drafted.
Giants = no franchise LT drafted.
Steelers = no franchise LT drafted.
Browns, Jets, Vikings, Dolphins = franchise LT drafted.
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The Packers and Bears also have two of the worst offensive lines in the league.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
WOW STEPHEN A SMITH Rips on the Raiders.. stands up for the fans
http://youtu.be/dF-SYQ0rNpo
November 25th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
lol
Oher is the only guy, and he doesn’t even fit the argument requirements.
Some of you guys would re-draft Gallery over Calvin Johnson because Robert was such a safe LT pick.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Packers = no franchise LT drafted.
Bears = no franchise LT drafted.
Texans = no franchise LT drafted.
Giants = no franchise LT drafted.
Steelers = no franchise LT drafted.
Browns, Jets, Vikings, Dolphins = franchise LT drafted.
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This is true but the all have very good to decent olines except the CHI and Pitt and they wont be in the SB.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Eastoak
your argument is collapsing.
With that line, why didn’t Alex Smith have time to throw in Singletary’s years? Why didn’t Gore have the holes to run through and lead his team to victories? Same line, only difference is…SKILL PLAYERS.
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Niners offense was really good when Norv Turner was the OC.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
And If you cant get your franchise LT through the draft theres always FA, just ask the saints.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Ryan Clady is a free agent. Sign him and move Veldheer to RT.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Raider( since) 1967
OUR YEAR WILL BE 2015
10–6
By then CHUCKY’s curse should be over! (13) yrs.
2002+13(yrs) = 2015
2015- END
November 25th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
I agree the team is a mess but it was a mess before anyone of the new regime got here. I do believe we are just taking our medicine to get better. I wonder what Dallas fans were thinking when they went 1 and15….right before they started their run. I am not sure where this will go, but I know where it would have gone under the old guard…8-8 at best. Good lord, hue Jackson? People are lamenting we don’t have that dude? The end of last year was a disaster and he threw his whole team under the bus. Remember he knew we weren’t going to the playoffs after the buffalo game? Patience peeps. This is part of building something. And Reggie has had solid personel moves…wimbley routt streeter Burris wheeler branch with a contract that seems high now but isn’t anything like al would have done.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
925.alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RR
drafting SKILL players changed the organizational paths of the:
Lions
Bucs
Falcons
ALL it takes is a game-breaking QB, WR, or RB and you’re in business. O-line? Throw anyone out there, as the Packers, Bears, Texans, and Giants have proven.
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This is the dumbest post today…….my god where does this kid get this stuff from.
Kid, just stay away from sharp objects.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
The current coaching staff has failed to bring out the best in players and coach them up. They don’t gameplan for opponents weaknesses. They have failed miserably at trying to force feed a scheme that doesn’t fit player personel. Where is the 1-2 punch they failed to implement at RB that is paramount to a good passing game? And it all starts with the o-line. And how many passing plays that go horizontal end up with negative yards, but they still call those plays. Coaches suck. It is that simple.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
yeah like zone defense and zbs both of which make the raiders the dwellers of division 2 football
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Part of the vanilla-ization 5-10 year program. Why would anybody ever want to whitewash the Raiders? I hoped (at first) Reggie was gonna be the dude that made them badder than ever. Man was I stupid wrong.
exactly, thats why i started soundibg the alarm as soon as they hired knapp and didnt resign routt, bush, wimbley cut schilens, dvd, traded murph and bruce campbell….
November 25th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
lol the Packers LT is Marshall Newhouse from TCU.
Game-changer!
November 25th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Our franchise has been a joke for 2 decades sans the Gannon era. It’s going to take some time to rid our locker room of all the cancers.
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Start with the coaches. Get a HC in here who can piss fire and watch how quickly players turn it around. These players have quit on these coaches cause their fed up with the coach speak. Tough to play for someone like that.
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Al Davis trained you well.
Dumping coaches at this point wont solve anything. It will only reenforce the bum players stance.
I love Gruden and would take him back in a heartbeat, but lets not forget, there was a LOT of turnover from his 8-8 years to the 10+ win season years.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
mctroll20/alex7 is ine if the dumbest posters out here…
November 25th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Ryan Clady is a free agent. Sign him and move Veldheer to RT.
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Mike Holmgren is a FA. Replace knapp with him. Replace DA with Al Saunders.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Ryan Clady is a free agent. Sign him and move Veldheer to RT.
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I don’t know, I’m kind of tired of the Raiders shifting positions. Could work though, can’t be any worse.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Everyone is really quick to forget how long it took Gruden to turn our franchise around.
He had to dump a lot of dead weight before we were a 12 win team.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Eastoak
your argument is collapsing.
With that line, why didn’t Alex Smith have time to throw in Singletary’s years? Why didn’t Gore have the holes to run through and lead his team to victories? Same line, only difference is…SKILL PLAYERS.
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Your missing the point the oline is the foundation of the house you decorate it later get it. you build from the inside out c’mon Alex I thought you were better than this.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
riff wants to keep losing with danus allen..,.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Some of you guys would re-draft Gallery over Calvin Johnson because Robert was such a safe LT pick.
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Huh Gallery was drafted way before CJ came out. Do you have a guardian? Get off the keyboard and go to them you shouldn’t be alone.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
The current coaching staff has failed to bring out the best in players and coach them up. They don’t gameplan for opponents weaknesses. They have failed miserably at trying to force feed a scheme that doesn’t fit player personel. Where is the 1-2 punch they failed to implement at RB that is paramount to a good passing game? And it all starts with the o-line. And how many passing plays that go horizontal end up with negative yards, but they still call those plays. Coaches suck. It is that simple.
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No coach in football would prevent…
- Timely fumbles
- Timely penalties
- 13 dropped TD passes this year
- Countless balls off our WRs hands that turn into INTs
- Wasted draft picks on DHB (no hands), Mike MItchell (cant play), DMC (always hurt) etc
It’s going to take some time.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Your missing the point the oline is the foundation of the house you decorate it later get it. you build from the inside out c’mon Alex I thought you were better than this.
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yeah i think he’s gotten worse, maybe he forgot his meds..
November 25th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
riff wants to keep losing with danus allen..,.
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I want stability.
I want the players to learn that they dont rule the roost. I want to know who the quitters are and who the gamers are.
Make a list of players that havent quit so far? Its not a long one.
Shaunessy has quit. McClain has quit. DMC has quit.
Too many losers on our squad to even entertain of blaming the coaching staff.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
EastOak
so the O-line is the foundation of the , Packers, Bears, Falcons, Texans, Broncos, Saints, and Giants?
Really? Come on. QB-driven league, big-play WRs and RBs, and these PLAYOFF teams keep filling in the o-line with no-name UFAs or middle-round picks.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
The current coaching staff has failed to bring out the best in players and coach them up. They don’t gameplan for opponents weaknesses. They have failed miserably at trying to force feed a scheme that doesn’t fit player personel. Where is the 1-2 punch they failed to implement at RB that is paramount to a good passing game? And it all starts with the o-line. And how many passing plays that go horizontal end up with negative yards, but they still call those plays. Coaches suck. It is that simple.
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No coach in football would prevent…
- Timely fumbles
- Timely penalties
- 13 dropped TD passes this year
- Countless balls off our WRs hands that turn into INTs
- Wasted draft picks on DHB (no hands), Mike MItchell (cant play), DMC (always hurt) etc
It’s going to take some time.
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Well, didn’t take much time to turn us from 8-8 and competing for a playoff spot with 5 minutes left in the regular season to an unmitigated dumpster fire giving up 40 ppg the last 4 games and now 3-8 and getting worse.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
We’re watching two of the better teams in the NFL tonight – Packers and Giants.
What do they spend their draft picks on? Skill positions and DEs.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
why do you people make things so complicated? a qb cant throw without protection, a rb cant run without holes to run through, a wr cant get the ball passed to him if the qb is on his back. simple stuff.
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Now make an argument against this.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
The current coaching staff has failed to bring out the best in players and coach them up. They don’t gameplan for opponents weaknesses. They have failed miserably at trying to force feed a scheme that doesn’t fit player personel. Where is the 1-2 punch they failed to implement at RB that is paramount to a good passing game? And it all starts with the o-line. And how many passing plays that go horizontal end up with negative yards, but they still call those plays. Coaches suck. It is that simple.
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No coach in football would prevent…
- Timely fumbles
- Timely penalties
- 13 dropped TD passes this year
- Countless balls off our WRs hands that turn into INTs
- Wasted draft picks on DHB (no hands), Mike MItchell (cant play), DMC (always hurt) etc
It’s going to take some time.
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Well, didn’t take much time to turn us from 8-8 and competing for a playoff spot with 5 minutes left in the regular season to an unmitigated dumpster fire giving up 40 ppg the last 4 games and now 3-8 and getting worse.
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Youre normally smart Chris.
Dont ignore the fact that Al left us in salary cap hell. We couldnt sign anyone this year.
And dont act like last years team didnt do the same crap. Same problems, new year. Regardless of the record we see the exact same mistakes being made. Can you honestly argue otherwise?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
why do you people make things so complicated? a qb cant throw without protection, a rb cant run without holes to run through, a wr cant get the ball passed to him if the qb is on his back. simple stuff.
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Now make an argument against this.
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Some idiot will try. Trust me.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Raider(since) 1967
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If by 2015 we don’t make the playoffs or 10-6
I WILL GIVE ALL MY RAIDERS TEAM CLOTHING
AND HATS. COATS AND NIGHTWARE, ROOM STUFF
LAMPS AND RUG , MUGS AND MEMORABILIA!
I MEAN IT MAN!
November 25th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Riff,
I don’t believe Shaughnessy has quit. He hasn’t had a great year, but he was bringing pressure today and I saw him getting blatantly held within full site of the refs at least 3 or 4 times.
Plus he was in the melee throwing punches to back up his team.
Shaughnessy should stay. Need a speed rusher at the opposite end. I’d keep Shaughnessy-Bryant-Houston-Bilukidi and maybe TK next year.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
I would only fire Allen if they could get a top coaching talent like Shaw.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Chris in NY
isn’t it odd how silly some of these fans are?
They want a house-cleaning.
Ummm, we just did that – NEW coach, GM, OC, DC, O-line coach.
And they want that again, all new guys? Dumb.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Riff I’m with u
November 25th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
The roster is a dumpster fire. Mitchell, Jones, Seymour, Kelly, Huff, DHB, McFadden, Lechler, McClain, and Palmer must go because they are either ineffective or their production does not merit their cap number. DA was a moron for hiring Knapp, but firing him would be stupid.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Did Steve and Jerry go out for drinks with Hue or something? Wheres areafter game article.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
EastOak
so the O-line is the foundation of the , Packers, Bears, Falcons, Texans, Broncos, Saints, and Giants?
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Giants Oline is dam good, Packers have injuries to their oline, and as for the rest of those teams how many SB’s have they won?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Mike mitchell should have been cut 2 years ago..
November 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
year after year,
THE TEAMS WITH “TERRIBLE” O-LINES (Bears, Packers, Steelers)
make the playoffs.
Strange.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Lopsided losses are worse than tight losses. Tight losses can be fixed. Lopsided losses are bad news. The fixes aren’t that easy. Start with the OC and HC, bring in a bona-fide play caller and a HC who can sh*t a brick and piss fire.
Replace knapp with Holmgren. He’s had good experience with QBs’ and a couple of SB appearances.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
fire all the coaches mark fire this sissy asz hm
reggie too…
November 25th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
I think Tarver gets demoted and Allen calls the defense the rest of the year. Then Tarver and Allen are replaced in the off season.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
you can lose for eight years and be stable…
November 25th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
lol 890
Mitchell should never have been drafted.
“Oooh, he hits hard at Ohio. Wow. He hits hard! Patrick Bates 2.0!”
November 25th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Mike mitchell should have been cut 2 years ago..
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Why so much hate on Mitchell. He held Jimmy Graham in check last week. Did you see Branch get trucked today by the Bengals’ backup RB? He gets a pass. Why?
If anything I’d start Mitchell over either Branch or Giordano at this point to finally see what we’ve got.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Replace knapp with Holmgren. He’s had good experience with QBs’ and a couple of SB appearances.
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Why do you think Holmgren would take an OC job? He’s not going to. He could get a head coach job if he wanted one.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Everyone is really quick to forget how long it took Gruden to turn our franchise around.
He had to dump a lot of dead weight before we were a 12 win team.
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He went 8-8 after 4-12 then went 8-8 again…How did Hue compare to that? But hey, I’m sure this 3-13 will mean so much. Can’t you just see the confidence DA gives our team?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Players to not be purged:
veldeer, Wiz, Myers, Reece, Pryor, Moore, Streater, Criner, Bryant, Houston, Branch, Burris, Wheeler.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
BEER RUN ILL BE BACK.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Replace knapp with Holmgren. He’s had good experience with QBs’ and a couple of SB appearances.
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Why do you think Holmgren would take an OC job? He’s not going to. He could get a head coach job if he wanted one.
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Just a wish. Would be better than the one we got now.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
The Oline is and always has been the foundation of your team. Skill position players are useless without that foundation. The defense is your military unit so to speak but without the Oline the military unit has no purpose. You cannot score consistently without a strong Oline and the defense will have nothing to protect.
That is how you biuld a strong competitive team Oline first and then throw everything you have at the defense until it’s where you want it. It’s Raider tradition it is how we were once the most winningest franchise in sports. Mr Davis some say biult the best Oline in NFL history during the late 60’s and 70’s Stabler could literally play in a Tuxedo they were so dominant. It’s how we were biult when we don’t have an Oline we never win of course we always had the QB to play behind it as well.
But when Mr Davis was at his best we had great Olines and great defense. Remember when we had Rich Gannon sometimes he got bored standing back there picking out rec’s to throw to. They were dominant until Barrett Robbins went AWOL.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Riff,
I don’t believe Shaughnessy has quit. He hasn’t had a great year, but he was bringing pressure today and I saw him getting blatantly held within full site of the refs at least 3 or 4 times.
Plus he was in the melee throwing punches to back up his team.
Shaughnessy should stay. Need a speed rusher at the opposite end. I’d keep Shaughnessy-Bryant-Houston-Bilukidi and maybe TK next year.
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Shonausey was jogging on far too many plays in the first half. Im done with him. He’s been hot garbage this year.
Mcclain must go
Myers must go
Briesel must go
Coop must go
Barnes must go
DMC must go
DHB must go
Seymore is too expensive to not play, so he must go as well
Taiwan must go, he’s obviously never going to get out of the doghouse
Mitchell must go
Lechler must go, too expensive, we can replace him
That is 10 players right there. TEN!!! That all are wastes of cap space. Im sure Reggine and DA have a lot more in mind that they want to get rid of.
Get rid of all that trash and give me 20 more Philip Wheeler type players.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ABP
exactly what are we blaming Allen with?
I see that reasonable posters, Vegas, ESPN, and various media people who un-emotionally study this stuff KNEW the Raiders had 4 to 6 win talent.
And that’s what they are on par for.
What specifically did Allen fail to achieve that he was SUPPOSED to achieve in one year?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
The Oline is and always has been the foundation of your team. Skill position players are useless without that foundation. The defense is your military unit so to speak but without the Oline the military unit has no purpose. You cannot score consistently without a strong Oline and the defense will have nothing to protect.
That is how you biuld a strong competitive team Oline first and then throw everything you have at the defense until it’s where you want it. It’s Raider tradition it is how we were once the most winningest franchise in sports. Mr Davis some say biult the best Oline in NFL history during the late 60’s and 70’s Stabler could literally play in a Tuxedo they were so dominant. It’s how we were biult when we don’t have an Oline we never win of course we always had the QB to play behind it as well.
But when Mr Davis was at his best we had great Olines and great defense. Remember when we had Rich Gannon sometimes he got bored standing back there picking out rec’s to throw to. They were dominant until Barrett Robbins went AWOL.
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Best post youve EVER made.
Youre pretty smart when youre not trolling.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
… DA was a moron for hiring Knapp, but firing him would be stupid.
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Why? Name one good, impressive or even adequate thing DA has done this year. Be honest, he’s been a total bust on all fronts.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Raiders for life Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Read that the Mark Davis twitter account is fake.
The same one that said Reg is gonna have a press conference.
Not sure what to believe anymore.
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Cork is the one who said Reg is gonna speak to the media. said it in the Tues. chat just to clear that up
November 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ABP
exactly what are we blaming Allen with?
I see that reasonable posters, Vegas, ESPN, and various media people who un-emotionally study this stuff KNEW the Raiders had 4 to 6 win talent.
And that’s what they are on par for.
What specifically did Allen fail to achieve that he was SUPPOSED to achieve in one year?
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Bingo.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Players to not be purged:
veldeer, Wiz, Myers, Reece, Pryor, Moore, Streater, Criner, Bryant, Houston, Branch, Burris, Wheeler.
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Agreed.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
RR
A few days ago it was pointed out that stat people showed how Wheeler is one of the worst coverage-LBs in the league.
There’s a reason the Colts let him go.
I’m all for hard-workers like him and Gio, but without talent they’re just backups at best.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
… DA was a moron for hiring Knapp, but firing him would be stupid.
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Why? Name one good, impressive or even adequate thing DA has done this year. Be honest, he’s been a total bust on all fronts.
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We played Atlanta tough…that’s it…fire him.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
… DA was a moron for hiring Knapp, but firing him would be stupid.
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Why? Name one good, impressive or even adequate thing DA has done this year. Be honest, he’s been a total bust on all fronts.
It is too early to cut bait. DA/RM inherited a roster full of Al’s scholarship flunkies and he is strapped by the cap/draft pick limitations. He needs a chance to get his own players in there. He has to play Kelly, McClain etc, because he has no choice. Next year these underachievers will be long gone then we can evaluate DA.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Everyone is really quick to forget how long it took Gruden to turn our franchise around.
He had to dump a lot of dead weight before we were a 12 win team.
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He went 8-8 after 4-12 then went 8-8 again…How did Hue compare to that? But hey, I’m sure this 3-13 will mean so much. Can’t you just see the confidence DA gives our team?
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Those 8-8 Raider teams barely beat a few teams. Could have easily been 4-12. Again, you have no memory.
Gruden barely kept his job those first two years. Al did not like him dumping so many of “his guys”. It was a constant fight between the two.
There is no fight though. Reggie and DA are on the same page. Mark will be patient.
Most of the trash on this team wont be here next year.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Get rid of all that trash and give me 20 more Philip Wheeler type players.
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A guy that gets destroyed in the passing, running game and is on the squad who gives more points than anyone else in the NFL is what you wanna model around…Super Bowl here we come!
November 25th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ABP
exactly what are we blaming Allen with?
I see that reasonable posters, Vegas, ESPN, and various media people who un-emotionally study this stuff KNEW the Raiders had 4 to 6 win talent.
And that’s what they are on par for.
What specifically did Allen fail to achieve that he was SUPPOSED to achieve in one year?
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Bingo.
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Why 4-to-6 win talent when we won 8 games with basically the same team last year except that we have a far superior QB this year.
Bottom line: Hue Jackson + Carson Palmer would’ve won double-digit games this year. I know it’s almost impossible to see based on recent results, but you have to realize these players would’ve been used more effectively, would’ve had success and gained momentum and thus never packed it in before Thanksgiving.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
It is too early to cut bait. DA/RM inherited a roster full of Al’s scholarship flunkies and he is strapped by the cap/draft pick limitations. He needs a chance to get his own players in there. He has to play Kelly, McClain etc, because he has no choice. Next year these underachievers will be long gone then we can evaluate DA.
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Youre making too much sense.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
lol RR
where are we finding the other 43 players for next season?
More undrafted waiver-wire garbage?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
mctroll20 is it draft time already?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
That great 49ers O-line has given up 11 more sacks than we have this year, in 80 less passing attempts.
Why? They had a crappy QB.
Insert a new QB, and that will change overnight.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ABP
exactly what are we blaming Allen with?
I see that reasonable posters, Vegas, ESPN, and various media people who un-emotionally study this stuff KNEW the Raiders had 4 to 6 win talent.
And that’s what they are on par for.
What specifically did Allen fail to achieve that he was SUPPOSED to achieve in one year?
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Bingo.
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Why 4-to-6 win talent when we won 8 games with basically the same team last year except that we have a far superior QB this year.
Bottom line: Hue Jackson + Carson Palmer would’ve won double-digit games this year. I know it’s almost impossible to see based on recent results, but you have to realize these players would’ve been used more effectively, would’ve had success and gained momentum and thus never packed it in before Thanksgiving.
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That “virtual same talent” finished the year 1-4 last year. 1 and freaking 4.
Why are you ignoring that? We werent that good last year. And we’d have a few more wins if it wasnt for our own stupid players mistakes. Youre smart enough that I dont need to list them all.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
What would Al do?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Those 8-8 Raider teams barely beat a few teams. Could have easily been 4-12. Again, you have no memory.
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YOu can make the argument that the 2002 team could have just as easily been 8-8. This is the DUMBEST argument people make when they argue that wins DON’T count.
Gruden barely kept his job those first two years. Al did not like him dumping so many of “his guys”. It was a constant fight between the two.
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Sure dude. Neither one has ever said that but sure.
There is no fight though. Reggie and DA are on the same page. Mark will be patient.
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Yeah they both suck so far and have no fu**king clue what they are doing. Mark will be patient? You know him?
Most of the trash on this team wont be here next year.
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Oh I’m sure Brisel, and all the Reggie hires will be here. They get free passes.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Raider(since) 1967
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HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE OWE ALLEN
IF WE FIRE HIM.?
HOW MUCH FOR KNAPP?
November 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Riff, listen man I don’t know you and you don’t know me……..I never troll I am who I am 100% of the time. Just because you may disagree at times doesn’t make me some troll. So lets leave it at that.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
lol RR
where are we finding the other 43 players for next season?
More undrafted waiver-wire garbage?
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It would be funny if it wasnt true.
That is why its going to take time. 40% turnover two years in a row might get us a divisional title by 2014. Im just trying to be realistic at this point.
November 25th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
It is too early to cut bait. DA/RM inherited a roster full of Al’s scholarship flunkies and he is strapped by the cap/draft pick limitations. He needs a chance to get his own players in there. He has to play Kelly, McClain etc, because he has no choice. Next year these underachievers will be long gone then we can evaluate DA.
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All you punks do is blame Al. If this dumbarse coach stayed here 3 more years with his double-digit losing seasons, you would still be blaming Al. Fu&& Dennis Allen and fu&& his groupies.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Riff, listen man I don’t know you and you don’t know me……..I never troll I am who I am 100% of the time. Just because you may disagree at times doesn’t make me some troll. So lets leave it at that.
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I only know what you post. Maybe someone has been using your name as of late. Because your posting way smarter tonite than you have the last few weeks.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Omoran Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Raider(since) 1967
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HOW MUCH MONEY DO WE OWE ALLEN
IF WE FIRE HIM.?
HOW MUCH FOR KNAPP?
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Sadly, this is the only reason imaginable we keep these guys.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
89052 and riff your posts are important to me because I see I ain’t the only one. Thanks.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Watching the Giants and Greenbay, man, we need a defense like the Giants! they are all fire and brimstone!
November 25th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ABP
exactly what are we blaming Allen with?
I see that reasonable posters, Vegas, ESPN, and various media people who un-emotionally study this stuff KNEW the Raiders had 4 to 6 win talent.
And that’s what they are on par for.
What specifically did Allen fail to achieve that he was SUPPOSED to achieve in one year?
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I’m not a fire Allen guy. I think he deserves another year if they show some progress the last 5 games. But, if they keep losing by 20 points every game, you have to think about it. We don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. That’s Reggie’s decision to make.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Chris
the reason they had us at 4-6 wins:
1.) The incredible coaching turnover (new HC,OC,DC,O-line coach)
2.) Our atrocious D had no draft picks or FA money to get help.
3.) MUCH tougher schedule this year (NFC South is LEGIT)
4.) Manning in the AFC West = Raider losses.
5.) We were 4-6 down the stretch last year.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Those 8-8 Raider teams barely beat a few teams. Could have easily been 4-12. Again, you have no memory.
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YOu can make the argument that the 2002 team could have just as easily been 8-8. This is the DUMBEST argument people make when they argue that wins DON’T count.
Gruden barely kept his job those first two years. Al did not like him dumping so many of “his guys”. It was a constant fight between the two.
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Sure dude. Neither one has ever said that but sure.
There is no fight though. Reggie and DA are on the same page. Mark will be patient.
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Yeah they both suck so far and have no fu**king clue what they are doing. Mark will be patient? You know him?
Most of the trash on this team wont be here next year.
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Oh I’m sure Brisel, and all the Reggie hires will be here. They get free passes.
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If Briesel is here, you’ll see me all over Reggie. I dont want Briesel or Barnes anywhere near the team next year.
I dont even need to respond to your other rebuttels. Theyre all pretty clueless.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Al was the only thing keeping this team together. His leadership is sorely missed.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
mctrolling…
November 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Chris
the reason they had us at 4-6 wins:
1.) The incredible coaching turnover (new HC,OC,DC,O-line coach)
2.) Our atrocious D had no draft picks or FA money to get help.
3.) MUCH tougher schedule this year (NFC South is LEGIT)
4.) Manning in the AFC West = Raider losses.
5.) We were 4-6 down the stretch last year.
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Bingo.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
As bad as things appear….It would be hopeless on every front if Art Shell and Tom Walsh were still taking the Raiders back to the stone ages. How you all forgot Marty Shottenheimer’s remarks after the Dolts wrecked us on Monday night in 2006? He said this offense did not work in 1994 and it still doesn’t. Those were even darker times.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
49ers have the second worse (behind AZ) sacks to pass attempts in the NFL.
Why is that, with such an unworldly O-line?
If they had Drew Brees, it would be probably be the exact opposite. Kapy looks to be cleaning that up instantly.
QB play is what stirs the drink.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Thanks for the reply ABP
I don’t even need to see progress from this team. They are simply not very good, and I see little reason why these STREET FREE AGENTS cut by multiple teams that are starters here will suddenly learn to play better.
We need a near-full draft, FA, and coaching continuity before I expect progress next season.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Raider Guy Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
89052 and riff your posts are important to me because I see I ain’t the only one. Thanks.
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Thank you for the support.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
never liked monte fooles articles but he seems to be ghe only guy calling out reggie in the media…it isnt cork and jerry thats for sure…
November 25th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
PACKERS ARE GETTIN A GOOD A$$ WIPPIN
WHAOOO IT HURTS!
THEY ARE GETTING UP THEIR NOSE WITH A RUBBER HOSE!
November 25th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
As bad as things appear….It would be hopeless on every front if Art Shell and Tom Walsh were still taking the Raiders back to the stone ages. How you all forgot Marty Shottenheimer’s remarks after the Dolts wrecked us on Monday night in 2006? He said this offense did not work in 1994 and it still doesn’t. Those were even darker times.
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Right we’re going places…That’s the best you guys can do, say this staff isn’t as bad as Bed & Breakfast. Wow, such confidence.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Riff give it a rest man, just because you don’t like what I post or it rubs you wrong doesn’t make a me a troll. Whether someone stole my name or not I don’t know there are times when I wont come in here for days at a time. So it’s possible!
There are a lot of clowns in here who do that so maybe that is what you are referring to…….if so cool. I just don’t like the your smart because I agree with you attitude……..maybe you’re just ignorant more than you know.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
42.3
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November 25th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Beat writers don’t write op-ed pieces that’s why.
They are reporters, not columnists. They can ask tough questions in the pressers, but that’s really it.
Monte is paid to give opinions, Jerry is paid to report on the facts.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Endeavor to persevere
November 25th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
PreistBJ is not a troll, but he is still sniffing the crotches of Al’s old jumpsuits. He is convinced the raiders are a player away and that DHB is a superstar. He would like art Shell to take over.. That is all you need to know about BJ.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Hue Jackson > REDEMPTION
Dennis Allen > ATROCIOUS
Reggie McKenzie > HELPLESS
Prediction – Raiders don’t win a Playoff game before 2020
November 25th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
The Giants’ O-line is a supposed weakness (NFL-worst run offense in 2011).
They put up 31 points at the half.
The Packers O-line is getting destroyed. Truly bad unit.
Yet they’re going to the playoffs.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Riff give it a rest man, just because you don’t like what I post or it rubs you wrong doesn’t make a me a troll. Whether someone stole my name or not I don’t know there are times when I wont come in here for days at a time. So it’s possible!
There are a lot of clowns in here who do that so maybe that is what you are referring to…….if so cool. I just don’t like the your smart because I agree with you attitude……..maybe you’re just ignorant more than you know.
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Someone was using your account and had nearly everyone on the board hating you a couple weeks back. Was that you or someone else?
Talking about how great Jamarcuss was and how we should take a look at bringing him back.
So maybe someone did steal your account for a while.
But regardless, I call a spade a spade. If youre on point, Im going to say so. Not because I agree with you, but because its fact.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Josey Wales: Now remember, when things look bad and it looks like you’re not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. ‘Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That’s just the way it is.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
never liked monte fooles articles but he seems to be ghe only guy calling out reggie in the media…it isnt cork and jerry thats for sure…
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Al is DEAD.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Thanks Alex, but I don’t buy the 4-6 down the stretch or 1-4 stuff. We were without our best player. Our owner/GM passed away forcing our rookie HC to fill that role as well. And we had to switch QBs mid-season, bring in a guy off his couch and play him at times when he admitted to only knowing 10% of the playbook. When Hue had a full compliment last year before losing his starting QB and star RB he was 4-2. To me, that is a better indicator than late in the season when he was trying to pull all that together and the defense — not his side of the ball — was falling completely apart under a d-coordinator he didn’t hire and planned to replace.
Your No. 1 point is basically an indictment of DA and Reggie. They get a pass for fugging everything up?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Priest isn’t a troll. He’s just a little foggy in the head sometimes.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Gene Chizik wins a National title 2 years ago, now he is out of a job…Fire Dennis Allen yesterday.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
aider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ABP
exactly what are we blaming Allen with?
I see that reasonable posters, Vegas, ESPN, and various media people who un-emotionally study this stuff KNEW the Raiders had 4 to 6 win talent.
And that’s what they are on par for.
What specifically did Allen fail to achieve that he was SUPPOSED to achieve in one year?
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DA had some good moments early in the year, seems to be struggling right now. I think everyone agrees the roster needs a big change. My concern is Reggie the guy. Riff earlier in the year you felt Reggie wasnt rebuilding and he truly felt this team could be competitive for a playoff spot. Guess Vegas knew our team better than reggie.
Also,they arent competitive and i think that what is bothering alot of semis in here. it took till week 10 to get reece a carry. We have so many practice squad players playing yet we cant get a package for Pryor. The defense seems to be regressing which is not what anyone expected. Don’t get me started about the offensive line and one of my least favorite raiders of all time -briesel. Alot of our issues falls on our players and it takes a special coach to make lemonade out of lemons. Reggie and DA havent done that yet and may not be capable of it. We will see
I believe DA should get another year, reggie too. but I have not been impressed by either of them. 2012 is the year of the excuse, 2013 there are none.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Hard to be optimistic. I am hopeful that a roster purge can allow the team to move on from the decade plus abomination which was brought on by poor trades, abysmal drafting, and puppet coaches. I just cannot envision a competitive Raider team for three years plus.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Gene Chizik wins a National title 2 years ago, now he is out of a job…Fire Dennis Allen yesterday.
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LOL….doesn’t the Chizik example show that it is the players not the coach?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Thanks Alex, but I don’t buy the 4-6 down the stretch or 1-4 stuff. We were without our best player. Our owner/GM passed away forcing our rookie HC to fill that role as well. And we had to switch QBs mid-season, bring in a guy off his couch and play him at times when he admitted to only knowing 10% of the playbook. When Hue had a full compliment last year before losing his starting QB and star RB he was 4-2. To me, that is a better indicator than late in the season when he was trying to pull all that together and the defense — not his side of the ball — was falling completely apart under a d-coordinator he didn’t hire and planned to replace.
Your No. 1 point is basically an indictment of DA and Reggie. They get a pass for fugging everything up?
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So Hue gets a pass on the 1-4 finish because of Chucky B?
Due to the performace of our D this year, its clear that Chucky B wasnt the problem. Our players sucked last year, they suck this year. We went to the SuperBowl with Chucky B when he had good talent on the team.
Hue doesnt get a pass because of Chucky B, he gets a pass because our talent on D needed to be dumped. The same pass that DA and Reg should be getting.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Why are people saying Al put us in salsry cap trouble when Al never had those kind of issues. Al could pay who he wanted what he wanted anytime. Now After 50 years Al messed up the salary cap and Reggie is cashless to get players? Doesn’t add up. Maybe Reggie needs a better accountant. Al sure as hell didn’t.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
89052RAIDER Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
As bad as things appear….It would be hopeless on every front if Art Shell and Tom Walsh were still taking the Raiders back to the stone ages. How you all forgot Marty Shottenheimer’s remarks after the Dolts wrecked us on Monday night in 2006? He said this offense did not work in 1994 and it still doesn’t. Those were even darker times.
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OK. So this is the measuring stick? DA-Reggie is not as bad as Art Shell Part II? I can agree with that … for now. However, it’s worth noting that DA has more talent to work with.
BTW, that 2006 team was the worst professional football team I’ve ever seen, performance-wise.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Keep the faith nation. The only thing we haven’t had during this deplorable run is stability.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Gene Chizik wins a National title 2 years ago, now he is out of a job…Fire Dennis Allen yesterday.
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LOL….doesn’t the Chizik example show that it is the players not the coach?
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Means he accomplished 1,000 more things than DOA did and when he couldn’t cut it, they go in another direction.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Teams don’t admit that they are rebuilding because it pisses off the prima-dona veterans when they hear that. Make no mistake, this is a rebuilding year and the rebuilding will continue through next season. You can’t realistically expect much out of this team until the 2014 season, at best. It’s hard to watch right now because they suck so bad and players like Seymour and Kelly both know that they are on the way out the door. DMC should fetch us a third rounder in the open market with his injury issues. This quarterback and coaching staff are probably the only things about this team that wont be changing within the next two years.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Gene Chizik wins a National title 2 years ago, now he is out of a job…Fire Dennis Allen yesterday.
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LOL….doesn’t the Chizik example show that it is the players not the coach?
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So the 49ers would be just as good with Art Shell at the helm. The Patriots would still be the Patriots with Dennis Allen running the show?
Coaching matters.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Why are people saying Al put us in salsry cap trouble when Al never had those kind of issues. Al could pay who he wanted what he wanted anytime. Now After 50 years Al messed up the salary cap and Reggie is cashless to get players? Doesn’t add up. Maybe Reggie needs a better accountant. Al sure as hell didn’t.
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Because they have to find excuses for Reggie.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Why are people saying Al put us in salsry cap trouble when Al never had those kind of issues.
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So your saying Al should be easily replaced?
Al was very creative with the cap. He had 20 years of experience doing it, his own quirky way.
Expecting McKenzie to know the ways of a HOF GM is such a slap in the face of Al Davis you should go stand in the corner.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Gene Chizik wins a National title 2 years ago, now he is out of a job…Fire Dennis Allen yesterday.
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LOL….doesn’t the Chizik example show that it is the players not the coach?
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The Raiders were 25% on 3rd down, Cincy was 52%. Don’t you ever tell the truth, Spinmeister?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
OK. So this is the measuring stick? DA-Reggie is not as bad as Art Shell Part II? I can agree with that … for now. However, it’s worth noting that DA has more talent to work with.
BTW, that 2006 team was the worst professional football team I’ve ever seen, performance-wise.
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It’s getting desperate for the DOA-Reggie supporters…”he’s not Art Shell & Tom Walsh” Wow!
November 25th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Priest is wrong as usual,..Dennis Allen is a good young coach,…the GM is semi retarded with speech issues and very uneducated,…and of course theres the roster,…at least 48 of them are flat out quitters. 47 quitters werent enough, they had to go drag a quitter off his couch in San Diego to join them. Bingo.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Chris
I’m just telling you what indicators many of us and Vegas used to know the Raiders would struggle this year.
Who’s to blame? Mostly Davis.
Davis for having an environment here that only first-year and last-chance coaches would come to.
Davis for leaving us ZERO impact players on D despite controlling drafts and FA for the last 20 years.
Davis for not realizing it’s a QB/WR league with the new rules.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Teams don’t admit that they are rebuilding because it pisses off the prima-dona veterans when they hear that. Make no mistake, this is a rebuilding year and the rebuilding will continue through next season. You can’t realistically expect much out of this team until the 2014 season, at best. It’s hard to watch right now because they suck so bad and players like Seymour and Kelly both know that they are on the way out the door. DMC should fetch us a third rounder in the open market with his injury issues. This quarterback and coaching staff are probably the only things about this team that wont be changing within the next two years.
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if we were rebuilding why did reggie restructure seymours contract which would have expired. Now when Seymour gets cut next year it costs us 6 million. Reggie gave briesel a 20million contract. when he gets cut next year it costs us 2.7 mil. Reggie not only franchised Branch but then signed him long term. I’m not 100% convinced reggie was rebuilding, but its a great excuse when a team is 3-8..
November 25th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Old fool kell, unless you post a link we wont believe you.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Teams don’t admit that they are rebuilding because it pisses off the prima-dona veterans when they hear that. Make no mistake, this is a rebuilding year and the rebuilding will continue through next season. You can’t realistically expect much out of this team until the 2014 season, at best. It’s hard to watch right now because they suck so bad and players like Seymour and Kelly both know that they are on the way out the door. DMC should fetch us a third rounder in the open market with his injury issues. This quarterback and coaching staff are probably the only things about this team that wont be changing within the next two years.
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And that in a nutshell is the sad state of affairs. We did not have to rebuild. Keep Hue and let him game plan around Palmer, procure a bona-fide DC, and keep Bush plus a tweak here and there. No rebuilding needed. Sad to think it was that simple.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Teams don’t admit that they are rebuilding because it pisses off the prima-dona veterans when they hear that. Make no mistake, this is a rebuilding year and the rebuilding will continue through next season. You can’t realistically expect much out of this team until the 2014 season, at best. It’s hard to watch right now because they suck so bad and players like Seymour and Kelly both know that they are on the way out the door. DMC should fetch us a third rounder in the open market with his injury issues. This quarterback and coaching staff are probably the only things about this team that wont be changing within the next two years.
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This was not supposed to be a rebuilding year. It has turned into a “evaluation” year.
But make no mistake, I know for a fact that Reggie thought we’d be a playoff team.
If he didnt, he would have blown this team up last offseason so we’d be ready to rebuild strong next year. Instead, we still have more cap issues to deal with at the end of this year and we are still short on draft picks.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Because he was desperate for cap space. He had to restructure.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
The Packers’ depleted o-line is going to kill my fantasy football team (Rodgers as QB) this season.
After a nice Saturday, I got absolutely killed on the betting lines today.
And the Raiders are a flaming pile of dog poo that someone left outside my front door.
Other than that, this is a great football Sunday.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Teams don’t admit that they are rebuilding because it pisses off the prima-dona veterans when they hear that. Make no mistake, this is a rebuilding year and the rebuilding will continue through next season. You can’t realistically expect much out of this team until the 2014 season, at best. It’s hard to watch right now because they suck so bad and players like Seymour and Kelly both know that they are on the way out the door. DMC should fetch us a third rounder in the open market with his injury issues. This quarterback and coaching staff are probably the only things about this team that wont be changing within the next two years.
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And that in a nutshell is the sad state of affairs. We did not have to rebuild. Keep Hue and let him game plan around Palmer, procure a bona-fide DC, and keep Bush plus a tweak here and there. No rebuilding needed. Sad to think it was that simple.
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Hue got himself fired. Lets not forget that. He put Mark in a impossible position.
I wish Hue hadnt ran his mouth. I wish he had stayed on. But he didnt play his cards right. We/he has nobody to blame but himself.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Why are people saying Al put us in salsry cap trouble when Al never had those kind of issues. Al could pay who he wanted what he wanted anytime. Now After 50 years Al messed up the salary cap and Reggie is cashless to get players? Doesn’t add up. Maybe Reggie needs a better accountant. Al sure as hell didn’t.
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Al kept pushing money around. You still have to pay those contracts. We are paying for it now.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
If Reggie and Allen truly believed we had the talent to compete for a play-off spot this year,how can anyone account for the huge turnover in players?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
there is always a franchise LT taken in the first round. normally in the top 10.
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I am sure one around the league is starting for a playoff team, but I can’t think of it.
Can you?
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Bmore Micheal Oher.
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Youre making sense tonite. Well done Eastoak.
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Except Oher was taken 23rd, traded pick from the Pats. Just saw the movie in turkey day. Haha
November 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Teams don’t admit that they are rebuilding because it pisses off the prima-dona veterans when they hear that. Make no mistake, this is a rebuilding year and the rebuilding will continue through next season. You can’t realistically expect much out of this team until the 2014 season, at best. It’s hard to watch right now because they suck so bad and players like Seymour and Kelly both know that they are on the way out the door. DMC should fetch us a third rounder in the open market with his injury issues. This quarterback and coaching staff are probably the only things about this team that wont be changing within the next two years.
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if we were rebuilding why did reggie restructure seymours contract which would have expired. Now when Seymour gets cut next year it costs us 6 million. Reggie gave briesel a 20million contract. when he gets cut next year it costs us 2.7 mil. Reggie not only franchised Branch but then signed him long term. I’m not 100% convinced reggie was rebuilding, but its a great excuse when a team is 3-8..
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When did Reggie restructure Seymores deal?
As far as I last knew, it expires at the end of this year, freeing up a load of cap space.
Restructuring would have forced us to keep him on for more years and never really would have saved us any money. Reggie had no choice in how to handle Seymore.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Hue is gone. Long gone. It amuses me to see people cling to something that is so irrelevant now. Invent a time machine or move on, man.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
49ers have the second worse (behind AZ) sacks to pass attempts in the NFL.
Why is that, with such an unworldly O-line?
If they had Drew Brees, it would be probably be the exact opposite. Kapy looks to be cleaning that up instantly.
QB play is what stirs the drink.
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I said QB and Oline.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Rodgers looking good behind that line huh?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
OK. Lets say hypothetically we are rebuilding. Problem is, with what. We have coaches that implement bad schemes and can’t game plan. Coaches are putting players in and out of positions to fail. We do not have an iota of a foundation to rebuild on. Starts with coaching.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Chris
I’m just telling you what indicators many of us and Vegas used to know the Raiders would struggle this year.
Who’s to blame? Mostly Davis.
Davis for having an environment here that only first-year and last-chance coaches would come to.
Davis for leaving us ZERO impact players on D despite controlling drafts and FA for the last 20 years.
Davis for not realizing it’s a QB/WR league with the new rules.
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Which Davis? I say it’s on Mark Davis and Reggie for firing the first coach we had in a decade that truly had this team headed in the right direction.
No excuse for pulling the plug on Hue. The results speak for themselves. And they’re on display for the whole world to see.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Because he was desperate for cap space. He had to restructure.
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The Raiders were 25% on 3rd down, Cincy was 52%. You kept saying it was even remember?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Now that you mention it, I think Seymore is in his last year. Adios.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Sure Davis got the guys he wanted and because of that we have/had absolutely zero depth when injuries eventually happened.Good teams have that depth.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Because he was desperate for cap space. He had to restructure.
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The Raiders were 25% on 3rd down, Cincy was 52%. You kept saying it was even remember?
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No. I don’t
November 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
The Raiders were 25% on 3rd down, Cincy was 52%. Don’t you ever tell the truth, Spinmeister?
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Was that the statements I made during the game? 3rd down %?
It was 3 and outs. Who had more today?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
JFB, 9ers OLINE IS ALSO BETTER AT RUN BLOCKING AS I STATED EARLIER.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Al was TERRIBLE with the cap.
Despite having a top-5 team salary most years, he couldn’t sign quality free-agents.
Our best years saw Bruce Allen handling the cap and bringing in real talent like Trace Armstrong, Sam Adams, Eric Allen, Jerry Rice, William Thomas, and Charlie Garner.
Davis brought us…Aaron Brooks!
November 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Aaron Rodgers brother Jordan is a QB at Vanderbilt. There is our future QB. 7th round pick.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Sigh….KK.
Sorry Just Win Baby, you must excuse the old guy.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Hue is gone. Long gone. It amuses me to see people cling to something that is so irrelevant now. Invent a time machine or move on, man.
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I’ve been trying to think of something creative to say about the exact same thing. Your comment will do, thanks.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
LOL, 2013 excuses are already being thrown out their,..We are under the cap by 4-6 million right now. Reggie created his own cap issues by restructing seymour contract instead of letting it expire. by franchising Branch and then signing him to a long term deal.Then signing Briesel which not only hurt our line play this year but when cut next year will count 2.7 million against our cap.
Reggie, will have a top 10 draft pick, a 3rd rounder which is very close to a 2nd round pick due to our poor record. there are no excuses. He needs to make productive decisions.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Lefty12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
If Reggie and Allen truly believed we had the talent to compete for a play-off spot this year,how can anyone account for the huge turnover in players?
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That huge turnover in players was at the 30% mark during the preseason. Which is on par for the rest of the league. 25% is standard. And when you consider that we lost a lot of guys simply due to the cap situation, its amazing we didnt have more turnover.
The explosion to the 40% mark is a result of the players performances after the fact.
It’s probably VERY clear to Reggie now that he made a mistake in judging what this team was capable of. If he could do it over, he’d probably had blown this team up wouldnt you think?
Who would ever predict that Streater would fumble against SD, or that Moore would run multiple wrong routes that would cost us INTs and ultimately the TB game and ATL games? Or that Rolando would be THIS bad? Or that Briesel would be such a bust?
None of us thought that. Hindsight is always 20/20. He better not make the same mistake this offseason. He and DA now have a first hand look at what they have in this roster. I gotta imagine they cant wait to axe a few of the bums.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Because he was desperate for cap space. He had to restructure.
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The Raiders were 25% on 3rd down, Cincy was 52%. You kept saying it was even remember?
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No. I don’t
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Of course not. Do you remember telling us how Great Bruce Gradkowski was, or Mitt Romney, or Greg Knapp?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
1075abp…you hit the nail on the head
November 25th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Rodgers looking good behind that line huh?
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I think they are going to all right, just a hunch.
They will keep the QB, move around the O-line pieces each offseason, and contend for a Super Bowl every year for another 5-8.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Al was TERRIBLE with the cap.
Despite having a top-5 team salary most years, he couldn’t sign quality free-agents.
Our best years saw Bruce Allen handling the cap and bringing in real talent like Trace Armstrong, Sam Adams, Eric Allen, Jerry Rice, William Thomas, and Charlie Garner.
Davis brought us…Aaron Brooks!
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To Al’s credit, he did bring in some good players. Really good players.
We obviously misused them. Due to the puppet-coach syndrome that Al created.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Teams don’t admit that they are rebuilding because it pisses off the prima-dona veterans when they hear that. Make no mistake, this is a rebuilding year and the rebuilding will continue through next season. You can’t realistically expect much out of this team until the 2014 season, at best. It’s hard to watch right now because they suck so bad and players like Seymour and Kelly both know that they are on the way out the door. DMC should fetch us a third rounder in the open market with his injury issues. This quarterback and coaching staff are probably the only things about this team that wont be changing within the next two years.
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if we were rebuilding why did reggie restructure seymours contract which would have expired. Now when Seymour gets cut next year it costs us 6 million. Reggie gave briesel a 20million contract. when he gets cut next year it costs us 2.7 mil. Reggie not only franchised Branch but then signed him long term. I’m not 100% convinced reggie was rebuilding, but its a great excuse when a team is 3-8..
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Agree w NYC. However, Reggie did sense we were gonna suck. He did take the 85% capacity blackout option, a year after 8 consecutive sellouts. It cost us money to do that, TV revenue I believe, which is worth $100k+ a year per team in total. We may have given 15% of that to take the 85% option. Not sure exactly, but we took a hit. Now why do that of you think your gonna be good? Especially w the excitement of new management and coaching and philosophy? There was no reason to believe we wouldn’t sell out all 8 games this year, just like the last. Unless Reggie knew something we didn’t …………
November 25th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Reggie, will have a top 10 draft pick, a 3rd rounder which is very close to a 2nd round pick due to our poor record. there are no excuses. He needs to make productive decisions.
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Agreed.
Can’t see how anyone would disagree with that.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Someone was using your account and had nearly everyone on the board hating you a couple weeks back. Was that you or someone else?
Talking about how great Jamarcuss was and how we should take a look at bringing him back.
So maybe someone did steal your account for a while.
But regardless, I call a spade a spade. If youre on point, Im going to say so. Not because I agree with you, but because its fact.
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Fact huh! Boy shut the hell up…….You blow that smoke somewhere else. You decide what’s fact they’re in most cases just opinions. Agree or disagree
Fact……..lol
November 25th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
OK. Lets say hypothetically we are rebuilding. Problem is, with what. We have coaches that implement bad schemes and can’t game plan. Coaches are putting players in and out of positions to fail. We do not have an iota of a foundation to rebuild on. Starts with coaching.
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Really? Coaching is going to fix 13 dropped TD passes?
What a joke. Our players could literally get caught throwing a game and you’d blame our coaching staff.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Just got a nugget of inside info. I asked my source what goes on in the locker room at half time. It took her a few days (and probably a few bjs’ too) to find out, but this is what she told me. Players spend a lot of time in the crapper, DA changes his panties, and Knapp usually drops a duece because that is when he can focus on the second half. Tarver beats his head against a wall. Not a lot there, wish there was more. Now I gotta service her for about four hours. Doesn’t seem like it was worth it, but ballin is ballin.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Aaron Rodgers brother Jordan is a QB at Vanderbilt. There is our future QB. 7th round pick.
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Naw, Derek Carr in 2014. V.2 will be much better. Possible Heisman winner in 2013.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Chris
First off, I liked Hue. Excellent OC.
That said, he didn’t win big games. We were TERRIBLE under Hue in just about every big game (save the Davis/Texans game.)
Remember our trip to Miami under Hue? Embarrassing.
Jaguars must-win game? Loss.
Big Steelers “how good are we?” game? Blowout loss.
Niners game? Blowout loss.
December playoff-push record? Like 2-6 over two years.
I wish we could have kept him as an OC, but his power-trip personality meant he’d be a loose cannon anytime things went south.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Someone was using your account and had nearly everyone on the board hating you a couple weeks back. Was that you or someone else?
Talking about how great Jamarcuss was and how we should take a look at bringing him back.
So maybe someone did steal your account for a while.
But regardless, I call a spade a spade. If youre on point, Im going to say so. Not because I agree with you, but because its fact.
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Fact huh! Boy shut the hell up…….You blow that smoke somewhere else. You decide what’s fact they’re in most cases just opinions. Agree or disagree
Fact……..lol
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Maybe nobody stole your account. Maybe youre just a royal idiot.
You found a way to take offense to me giving you credit for a spot on post. Way to go dummy.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Al had 50 years of GM experience, and is in the HOF.
I get a kick out of the people who support him endlessly, then make the point to say WTF Al did it with the cap, why can’t this guy or that guy.
You are too dense to realize that is a huge insult to Al!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Chris
First off, I liked Hue. Excellent OC.
That said, he didn’t win big games. We were TERRIBLE under Hue in just about every big game (save the Davis/Texans game.)
Remember our trip to Miami under Hue? Embarrassing.
Jaguars must-win game? Loss.
Big Steelers “how good are we?” game? Blowout loss.
Niners game? Blowout loss.
December playoff-push record? Like 2-6 over two years.
I wish we could have kept him as an OC, but his power-trip personality meant he’d be a loose cannon anytime things went south.
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Bingo.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Teams don’t admit that they are rebuilding because it pisses off the prima-dona veterans when they hear that. Make no mistake, this is a rebuilding year and the rebuilding will continue through next season. You can’t realistically expect much out of this team until the 2014 season, at best. It’s hard to watch right now because they suck so bad and players like Seymour and Kelly both know that they are on the way out the door. DMC should fetch us a third rounder in the open market with his injury issues. This quarterback and coaching staff are probably the only things about this team that wont be changing within the next two years.
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if we were rebuilding why did reggie restructure seymours contract which would have expired. Now when Seymour gets cut next year it costs us 6 million. Reggie gave briesel a 20million contract. when he gets cut next year it costs us 2.7 mil. Reggie not only franchised Branch but then signed him long term. I’m not 100% convinced reggie was rebuilding, but its a great excuse when a team is 3-8..
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When did Reggie restructure Seymores deal?
As far as I last knew, it expires at the end of this year, freeing up a load of cap space.
Restructuring would have forced us to keep him on for more years and never really would have saved us any money. Reggie had no choice in how to handle Seymore.
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Riff, here you go.reggie negotiated a 4 yr deal with seymour..staggering numbers but reggie mortgaged the future ..7.5 salary, 7.5 misc bonus,1,315,000 signing bonus for 4 more years..if we cut seymour our cap takes a hit of 4X1,315,000. You’re right , Seymour contract was to expire until reggie negotiated with him..
BASE SALARY S. BONUS MISC. BONUS CAP HIT
2013 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
2014 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
2015 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
2016 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
2017
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Coaches can’t gameplan. It’s that simple.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I remember back in the day when Gruden and Gannon used to get boo’d.
Everyone wanted a rocket arm QB (even though Gannon could throw it 40 yds on a rope) and I remember fans wanting Gruden fired during the 8-8 years.
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Maybe nobody stole your account. Maybe youre just a royal idiot.
You found a way to take offense to me giving you credit for a spot on post. Way to go dummy.
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lol Riff, got me scratching my head too.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
What a joke. Our players could literally get caught throwing a game and you’d blame our coaching staff.
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BINGO
November 25th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Coaches can’t gameplan. It’s that simple.
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and you can?
Please list your credentials.
What qualifies you to judge an NFL QB? Have you ever played or coached at that level?
Just because you play Madden on XBox doesnt mean you know football.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I remember back in the day when Gruden and Gannon used to get boo’d.
Everyone wanted a rocket arm QB (even though Gannon could throw it 40 yds on a rope) and I remember fans wanting Gruden fired during the 8-8 years.
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
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Me either. But don’t bet on it.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Restructuring Seymour as so, was a classic Al Davis move, BTW.
Keep in mind, if he can’t pass a physical next year, no bloated cap hit, no salary owed outside the guarantee (of which we can then do some creative injury settlement and spread it out again).
November 25th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Maybe nobody stole your account. Maybe youre just a royal idiot.
You found a way to take offense to me giving you credit for a spot on post. Way to go dummy.
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I think that was actually Priest talking about Jamarcus. Priest has some pretty ridiculous notions about QBs.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Getting blown out by lopsided losses doesn’t lend much credibility to the coaching staff.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Lefty12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
What a joke. Our players could literally get caught throwing a game and you’d blame our coaching staff.
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BINGO
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That’s a damned lie.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Rex Ryan is SUPPOSED to be a defensive mind,
yet his Jets D has gotten worse the last 3 years.
Maybe a move to DC will help him, ala Mike Nolan.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
You guys advocating blowing up the team and cutting everyone realize this is impossible, right?
Replace them with who? A bunch of Mike Brisiels, Phillip Adamses and Coye Francieses. You realize that you only get a few draft picks and a couple of valuable free agents each year.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Teams don’t admit that they are rebuilding because it pisses off the prima-dona veterans when they hear that. Make no mistake, this is a rebuilding year and the rebuilding will continue through next season. You can’t realistically expect much out of this team until the 2014 season, at best. It’s hard to watch right now because they suck so bad and players like Seymour and Kelly both know that they are on the way out the door. DMC should fetch us a third rounder in the open market with his injury issues. This quarterback and coaching staff are probably the only things about this team that wont be changing within the next two years.
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if we were rebuilding why did reggie restructure seymours contract which would have expired. Now when Seymour gets cut next year it costs us 6 million. Reggie gave briesel a 20million contract. when he gets cut next year it costs us 2.7 mil. Reggie not only franchised Branch but then signed him long term. I’m not 100% convinced reggie was rebuilding, but its a great excuse when a team is 3-8..
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When did Reggie restructure Seymores deal?
As far as I last knew, it expires at the end of this year, freeing up a load of cap space.
Restructuring would have forced us to keep him on for more years and never really would have saved us any money. Reggie had no choice in how to handle Seymore.
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Riff, here you go.reggie negotiated a 4 yr deal with seymour..staggering numbers but reggie mortgaged the future ..7.5 salary, 7.5 misc bonus,1,315,000 signing bonus for 4 more years..if we cut seymour our cap takes a hit of 4X1,315,000. You’re right , Seymour contract was to expire until reggie negotiated with him..
BASE SALARY S. BONUS MISC. BONUS CAP HIT
2013 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
2014 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
2015 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
2016 7,500,000 1,315,000 7,500,000 16,315,000
2017
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That doesnt look like a restructure at all. Its the same deal we already had him under. 7.5/7.5.
That reads like an extension of an identical deal.
Can you please post a link to the story?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Chris
First off, I liked Hue. Excellent OC.
That said, he didn’t win big games. We were TERRIBLE under Hue in just about every big game (save the Davis/Texans game.)
Remember our trip to Miami under Hue? Embarrassing.
Jaguars must-win game? Loss.
Big Steelers “how good are we?” game? Blowout loss.
Niners game? Blowout loss.
December playoff-push record? Like 2-6 over two years.
I wish we could have kept him as an OC, but his power-trip personality meant he’d be a loose cannon anytime things went south.
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You realize he was only the coach for the Miami game. The Jags game it was on the Defense. Didn’t the Steelers go to the SuperBowl that year?
Niners? The rumor I heard was that Cable stripped Hue of his play calling duties that day cuz he “knew” SF better than Hue did.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I cant find a single article on google search that says Reggie renegotiated Seymores deal to give him 2 more years at 7.5 salary/7.5 bonus.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I can’t believe how many DA/Reggie fans are here tonight. Over the last several weeks it’s been a dwindling, very silent population.
Then, after today’s debacle you’re out in force? What gives?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I can’t wait for this season to be over to see Knapp get fired.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
year after year,
THE TEAMS WITH “TERRIBLE” O-LINES (Bears, Packers, Steelers)
make the playoffs.
Strange. @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ THEIR DEFENSE DOES NOT GIVE UP 35 POINTS A GAME
November 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1095341-oakland-raiders-seymour-huff-restructure-contracts-to-free-cap-space
Oakland Raiders: Seymour, Huff Restructure Contracts to Free Salary Cap Space
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The Oakland Raiders took a pair of steps to address their precarious salary cap situation Wednesday, restructuring the contracts of defensive lineman Richard Seymour and safety Michael Huff in moves that should free up almost $12 million in salary cap space.
Brian McIntyre of Mac’s Football Blog reported the the details of the deals, which cut Seymour’s cap hit for 2012 nearly in half while turning much of Huff’s 2012 base salary into a more cap-friendly roster bonus and adding two years to the four-year, $32 million deal that the seventh-year safety signed last season, which allows the bonus to be pro-rated over a longer period of time.
According to a league source, Seymour lowered his $7.5 million fully guaranteed base salary to the league minimum ($925,000) with the remaining $6.575 million converted to a guaranteed roster bonus that will be treated as a signing bonus for salary cap purposes. Seymour’s adjusted base salary is fully guaranteed and another season, with a $7.5 million base salary and $7.5 million roster bonus, was tacked onto Seymour’s contract to allow the roster bonus to be prorated over the maximum allowable number of years (five).
Under {Huff’s] restructured contract, Huff’s base salary base salary was reduced to $700,000, which is fully guaranteed, with the remaining $3.3 million combined with his $4 million roster bonus to create a guaranteed $7.3 million roster bonus that will be treated like a signing bonus for salary cap purposes. Two additional years with $4 million base salaries and $4 million roster bonuses were added to allow the 2012 guaranteed roster bonus to be prorated over five seasons.
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The increase in Seymour’s base salary next season is eye-popping at first glance, but that $7.5 million is not guaranteed, and what looks like a $37.5 million, five-year contract is, for all intents and purposes, a one-year guaranteed deal for $7.5 million, while Oakland basically played a “shell game” with Huff, with the player receiving a bit more guaranteed cheddar while the team gains additional cap flexibility.
The new regime in Oakland was left with quite the financial mess where the Raiders salary cap situation is concerned, and today’s negotiations were another example of new general manager Reggie McKenzie making the best of a bad situation while attempting to keep the core of the Raiders defense intact.
Or, they could be trying to free up money to make a run at Peyton Manning.
Relax, I’m kidding. I hope.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Chris in NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
You guys advocating blowing up the team and cutting everyone realize this is impossible, right?
Replace them with who? A bunch of Mike Brisiels, Phillip Adamses and Coye Francieses. You realize that you only get a few draft picks and a couple of valuable free agents each year.
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I truly believe our coaching staff does not know how to game plan around the personel we have. They try and force feed them a scheme not suited to their talents. I mean really, not being able to punch it in from the one, the horizontal passing game, zone blocking is atrocious. And the defense has gone to hell to boot.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Reggie fired Hue after 1 year and he was 8-8. We have gone backwards Reggie fire yourself. You came here to make us like Green Bay, but we it seems like your 17 years as a Green Bay ball boy were wasted. You didn’t learn anything up there. You then hired a young kid to save the Oakland Raiders? Grown ass men have problems leading the Raiders. They gave this boy a chance, but nobody believes in him anymore. They give him as much respect as a know-it-all little brothers. Since you judging people after one year Reggie, your one year is up. Do everybody a favor and fire yourself, and beg Hue to come back. At least we can break even at 8-8.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
You guys advocating blowing up the team and cutting everyone realize this is impossible, right?
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Agreed.
The 40% current turnover we’ve had is ridiculously high.
Standard is 25%. That is why it can take 2-3 years for most teams to rebuild.
I listed the 10 (20%) guys that NEED TO GO. Another year of 40% is probably unrealistic but its what is needed.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Nobody is talking to you KK.That was directed at the Loco one,and the NY clowns.Maybe Douchbag too.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Here are all the Raiders contracts:
http://www.rotoworld.com/teams/contracts/nfl/oak/
November 25th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I remember back in the day when Gruden and Gannon used to get boo’d.
Everyone wanted a rocket arm QB (even though Gannon could throw it 40 yds on a rope) and I remember fans wanting Gruden fired during the 8-8 years.
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
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Riff, sometimes your just go off a cliff. comparing Gruden’s 8-8 season and Gannon who was always a winning QB to a 3-8 team that is one of the bigger jokes for teams in the nfl is off base. Your confidence in Reggie and DA has nothing to do with their performance but rather your quest to argue and be right. Anyone at this point who isnt confident in Reggie and DA isnt an idiot . In reality everyone realizes the excuses for 2012 and most everyone in here hopes they turn it around for 2013, but its fair to not be on their bandwagon because their performance has been below average. As Bill parcels says” you are what you are”
You’ll get your chance next year to claim the title of visionary because they both will still be here. But I’m not convinced they are the right combination to restore this franchise. i guess i’m an idiot who hopes to be wrong..we’ll see
November 25th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
from article above…
“The increase in Seymour’s base salary next season is eye-popping at first glance, but that $7.5 million is not guaranteed, and what looks like a $37.5 million, five-year contract is, for all intents and purposes, a one-year guaranteed deal for $7.5 million, while Oakland basically played a “shell game” with Huff, with the player receiving a bit more guaranteed cheddar while the team gains additional cap flexibility.
The new regime in Oakland was left with quite the financial mess where the Raiders salary cap situation is concerned, and today’s negotiations were another example of new general manager Reggie McKenzie making the best of a bad situation while attempting to keep the core of the Raiders defense intact.”
November 25th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Next year is the last year of DHB’s contract. He is going to make 7.2 million.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
here you go riff
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/richard-seymour/
Contract:5 yr(s) / $37,500,000
Signing Bonus $6,575,000
Average Salary $7,500,000
End Year:2016
November 25th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Draft talk:
Raiders don’t have a 2nd or 5th,
What about the comp picks for JC and Bush? probably not much.
Still got the 7th for Murphy?
November 25th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1095341-oakland-raiders-seymour-huff-restructure-contracts-to-free-cap-space
Oakland Raiders: Seymour, Huff Restructure Contracts to Free Salary Cap Space
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The Oakland Raiders took a pair of steps to address their precarious salary cap situation Wednesday, restructuring the contracts of defensive lineman Richard Seymour and safety Michael Huff in moves that should free up almost $12 million in salary cap space.
Brian McIntyre of Mac’s Football Blog reported the the details of the deals, which cut Seymour’s cap hit for 2012 nearly in half while turning much of Huff’s 2012 base salary into a more cap-friendly roster bonus and adding two years to the four-year, $32 million deal that the seventh-year safety signed last season, which allows the bonus to be pro-rated over a longer period of time.
According to a league source, Seymour lowered his $7.5 million fully guaranteed base salary to the league minimum ($925,000) with the remaining $6.575 million converted to a guaranteed roster bonus that will be treated as a signing bonus for salary cap purposes. Seymour’s adjusted base salary is fully guaranteed and another season, with a $7.5 million base salary and $7.5 million roster bonus, was tacked onto Seymour’s contract to allow the roster bonus to be prorated over the maximum allowable number of years (five).
Under {Huff’s] restructured contract, Huff’s base salary base salary was reduced to $700,000, which is fully guaranteed, with the remaining $3.3 million combined with his $4 million roster bonus to create a guaranteed $7.3 million roster bonus that will be treated like a signing bonus for salary cap purposes. Two additional years with $4 million base salaries and $4 million roster bonuses were added to allow the 2012 guaranteed roster bonus to be prorated over five seasons.
106657264_crop_exact Ezra Shaw/Getty Images
The increase in Seymour’s base salary next season is eye-popping at first glance, but that $7.5 million is not guaranteed, and what looks like a $37.5 million, five-year contract is, for all intents and purposes, a one-year guaranteed deal for $7.5 million, while Oakland basically played a “shell game” with Huff, with the player receiving a bit more guaranteed cheddar while the team gains additional cap flexibility.
The new regime in Oakland was left with quite the financial mess where the Raiders salary cap situation is concerned, and today’s negotiations were another example of new general manager Reggie McKenzie making the best of a bad situation while attempting to keep the core of the Raiders defense intact.
Or, they could be trying to free up money to make a run at Peyton Manning.
Relax, I’m kidding. I hope.
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Wow. I wasnt aware of that.
I cant believe he did that. But by the looks of things, he didnt have much a choice did he? That is, if he didnt want to blow the team up.
So what does it cost us to cut Seymore at the end of this year? We simply cannot keep paying him 15 million a year. I like him, but he’s too expensive.
For fvcks sake. I cannot believe we are on the hook for him one more year at this ridiculous amount of money.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Doesn’t sound like we guaranteed an extra penny to Seymour, and will just have a cap number of $7.5 million next year, whether he plays or not.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
10 GUYS THAT NEED TO GO:
- Reggie
- DA
- Knapp
- Tarver
- Pollack (o-line)
- Hoffman (STs)
- Brisiel
- Willie Smith
- Francies
- Tollefson
November 25th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
I took offense to your assumption that You decide what is spot on for us all as if you have that kind of wisodm and knowledge us lessor ones don’t. All it is you agree or disagree…….you are a bit to condescending for my taste. Riff what you are is a blowhard smug sucka trying to be a playa. Quit it’s not working
I don’t come in here for your pats on the back. Just agree or disagree simple as that
The only problem I have with JaMarcus is he was lazy and didn’t give 100% to this org. With his talent had he worked as hard as he could paid attention to detail I think he could’ve easily succeeded. He didn’t try and he quit IMO. But if he has grownup and he’s earnestly seeking a second chance to prove himself. This org. would be wise to at least kick the tires and give him a once over to see if they are indeed interested. Beyond that you get Pryor ready to see what we have in him.
I love Russell as a talent, but he really let us down with his immaturity horrible attitude and poor approach to the game……….period
Now I could give one one bit a damn whether you suckers agree or NOT………period
November 25th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Kelly, Seymour, Huff
November 25th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Excuse me, 7.5 million if waived, 16.5 million if kept.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1095341-oakland-raiders-seymour-huff-restructure-contracts-to-free-cap-space
Oakland Raiders: Seymour, Huff Restructure Contracts to Free Salary Cap Space
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The Oakland Raiders took a pair of steps to address their precarious salary cap situation Wednesday, restructuring the contracts of defensive lineman Richard Seymour and safety Michael Huff in moves that should free up almost $12 million in salary cap space.
Brian McIntyre of Mac’s Football Blog reported the the details of the deals, which cut Seymour’s cap hit for 2012 nearly in half while turning much of Huff’s 2012 base salary into a more cap-friendly roster bonus and adding two years to the four-year, $32 million deal that the seventh-year safety signed last season, which allows the bonus to be pro-rated over a longer period of time.
According to a league source, Seymour lowered his $7.5 million fully guaranteed base salary to the league minimum ($925,000) with the remaining $6.575 million converted to a guaranteed roster bonus that will be treated as a signing bonus for salary cap purposes. Seymour’s adjusted base salary is fully guaranteed and another season, with a $7.5 million base salary and $7.5 million roster bonus, was tacked onto Seymour’s contract to allow the roster bonus to be prorated over the maximum allowable number of years (five).
Under {Huff’s] restructured contract, Huff’s base salary base salary was reduced to $700,000, which is fully guaranteed, with the remaining $3.3 million combined with his $4 million roster bonus to create a guaranteed $7.3 million roster bonus that will be treated like a signing bonus for salary cap purposes. Two additional years with $4 million base salaries and $4 million roster bonuses were added to allow the 2012 guaranteed roster bonus to be prorated over five seasons.
106657264_crop_exact Ezra Shaw/Getty Images
The increase in Seymour’s base salary next season is eye-popping at first glance, but that $7.5 million is not guaranteed, and what looks like a $37.5 million, five-year contract is, for all intents and purposes, a one-year guaranteed deal for $7.5 million, while Oakland basically played a “shell game” with Huff, with the player receiving a bit more guaranteed cheddar while the team gains additional cap flexibility.
The new regime in Oakland was left with quite the financial mess where the Raiders salary cap situation is concerned, and today’s negotiations were another example of new general manager Reggie McKenzie making the best of a bad situation while attempting to keep the core of the Raiders defense intact.
Or, they could be trying to free up money to make a run at Peyton Manning.
Relax, I’m kidding. I hope.
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Wow. I wasnt aware of that.
I cant believe he did that. But by the looks of things, he didnt have much a choice did he? That is, if he didnt want to blow the team up.
So what does it cost us to cut Seymore at the end of this year? We simply cannot keep paying him 15 million a year. I like him, but he’s too expensive.
For fvcks sake. I cannot believe we are on the hook for him one more year at this ridiculous amount of money.
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no way seymour on team for 16 mil..when we cut him it will cost us 5-6 mil to next year cap(signing bonus only)..not sure i agree reggie was forced to do this
November 25th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
McClain is going to make 4 million next year, and 5 million in 2014. No way he remains on the team.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
This is a Sad Sad day. The Raiders should have been the most focused, determined, than any other game all year. Instead dropped pass after dropped pass, blowing pass protection after blown pass protection!
It seemed as though this team HATES it own QB-letting first down balls bounce off their hands and letting defenders blitz him untouched.
Something is seriously wrong with this team and I am starting to suspect its coming from a higher source. I have not seen anything this bad since Romonowski broke his own teammates jaw and Callahan called the Raids the “dumbest team in America”
November 25th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Doesn’t sound like we guaranteed an extra penny to Seymour, and will just have a cap number of $7.5 million next year, whether he plays or not.
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if hes on team without restructing 16 mil to cap, if hes cut around 5.5 mil to cap. Seymour contract was to expire until reg negotiated a new one
November 25th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I remember back in the day when Gruden and Gannon used to get boo’d.
Everyone wanted a rocket arm QB (even though Gannon could throw it 40 yds on a rope) and I remember fans wanting Gruden fired during the 8-8 years.
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
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Riff, sometimes your just go off a cliff. comparing Gruden’s 8-8 season and Gannon who was always a winning QB to a 3-8 team that is one of the bigger jokes for teams in the nfl is off base. Your confidence in Reggie and DA has nothing to do with their performance but rather your quest to argue and be right. Anyone at this point who isnt confident in Reggie and DA isnt an idiot . In reality everyone realizes the excuses for 2012 and most everyone in here hopes they turn it around for 2013, but its fair to not be on their bandwagon because their performance has been below average. As Bill parcels says” you are what you are”
You’ll get your chance next year to claim the title of visionary because they both will still be here. But I’m not convinced they are the right combination to restore this franchise. i guess i’m an idiot who hopes to be wrong..we’ll see
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Im not that confident in DA or Reg. You got me wrong.
What I am confident in is that most on this blog have never played football, and their entire football education is comprised of pregame shows and watching Raider games the last 40 years. That isnt going to give most a very high football IQ.
I dont even get a fair chance to criticize DA and Reggie where it is warranted because Im to busy trying to be a voice of reason here.
DA and Reggie are not without faults. Theyve made mistakes. We could discuss them if the collective IQ’s of the semi’s here ever got above 7. The semi’s solutions to everything is to once again tear up our coaching staff.
Watch the tape. We are gameplanning well. The play calling isnt the problem. Our players just suck.
I cannot guarantee DA and Reg turn it around. They have a steep hill to climb and a owner that is Al’s son after all. We’ll see how it plays out.
November 25th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Why did the Raiders get rid of Stevie Brown? Cause he had talent and played smart? Now playing well for the Giants.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1400912-analyzing-the-oakland-raiders-salary-cap-heading-into-2013
Analyzing the Oakland Raiders’ Salary Cap Heading into 2013
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The Oakland Raiders are going to have some salary cap issues going in to the 2013 season.
Some big moves the past few seasons are going to rear their ugly heads, and Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie will have some tough decisions ahead of him.
Below are some notable Oakland Raiders players whose salaries will significantly hit the team in 2013:
Quarterback Carson Palmer
2012 salary cap = $825,000
2013 salary cap = $13,000,000
Oakland gave their 2012 first-round pick and 2013 second pick (which becomes a first-round pick if Oakland goes to the AFC Championship game) to the Bengals for Palmer. He has done a fine job in his first full season with the team, and is poised to break 4,000 passing yards.
But Palmer is a holdover from the Hue Jackson-led Oakland Raiders. Is McKenzie going to be willing to swallow $13,000,000? Or is this an opportunity for the Raiders to transition their offense to a quarterback that fits the mold that McKenzie and head coach Dennis Allen are looking for?
Wide Receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey
2012 salary cap = $5,279,000
2013 salary cap = $7,721,000
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Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey always seems to be on the cusp of a breakout season. He came close to breaking the 1,000 yard season in 2011 with 975 receiving yards (a first for him). However, he is on pace for only 500 yards in 2012.
DHB’s $7,721,000 is a hard pill to swallow for a receiver with his numbers. This decision may not be so hard for Reggie McKenzie.
Defensive Lineman Richard Seymour
2012 salary cap = $925,000
2013 salary cap = $7,500,000
Richard Seymour is coming off a five-and-a-half sack season in 2010 and a six sack season in 2011and but he hasn’t been the difference-maker against the run. The defensive line for the Oakland Raiders sorely need an aggressive run-stopper worthy of a $7,500,000 salary cap hit.
Seymour isn’t that run stopper.
Defensive Lineman Tommy Kelly
2012 salary cap = $6,000,000
2013 salary cap = $6,500,000
Where are you, Tommy Kelly?
Seven sacks in 2010 and seven-and-a half in 2011 and zero so far in 2012. He’s numbers are declining, and that’s part of the reason the Raiders front four are getting very little pressure on opposing quarterbacks.
He will make $6,500,000 in 2013 and $7,000,000 in 2014 before becoming an unrestricted free agent in 2014.
I’d be surprised if he is wearing the silver and black by then.
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Running Back Darren McFadden
2012 salary cap = $5,650,000
2013 salary cap = $5,856,250
One of the few bright spots (when healthy) the past few years, running back Darren McFadden’s salary cap figure next season is close to what it is this season. There is no doubt that Darren McFadden can be an explosive running back if he’s utilized correctly.
He’s got one more season before he becomes a free agent, I would suspect that head coach Dennis Allen will look to put McFadden in a more favorable offensive scheme next season.
Other notable 2013 Oakland Raiders player salary cap hits:
Linebacker Rolando McClain
2012 salary cap = $970,000
2013 salary cap = $4,005,000
A big jump to $4,005,000 in 2013 for a failed linebacker in a reduced role? Not likely.
Offensive Guard Mike Brisiel
2012 salary cap = $700,000
2013 salary cap = $4,350,000
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Oakland Raiders (and former Houston Texans) guard Mike Brisiel was supposed to be the one lineman we wouldn’t have to worry about playing in a zone blocking scheme. I don’t know about you, but I’ve been worried for a few weeks now. Add to that the fact that 2008 was the last time Brisiel played a full season and I would be really surprised if we see this cap number remain the same.
Safety Michael Huff
2012 salary cap = $700,000
2013 salary cap = $4,000,000
Safety turned corner (when does THAT happen?) Michael Huff has stepped up HUGE for this Oakland Raiders defense.
Kicker Sebastian Janikowski
2012 salary cap = $1,700,000
2013 salary cap = $3,800,000
Seabass is still one of the most reliable kickers in the NFL, and he will break the NFL record for the longest field goal while wearing silver and black.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
thanks for posting that Back n Black.
Reggie and his staff are very adept at evaluating talent, knowing who to pay, and who to let walk.
We don’t miss a SINGLE guy (at their salary) that we’ve let walk. And he’s found a couple starters for minimum salary.
Solid start to a huge turnaround.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Who cares what Seymour’s contract $ is for next year. His knee is shot and he needs to retire. I hope there’s language in that contract to protect the team against medical situations like his. Or maybe not. After all we’re not talking about very smart business people running this team.
Funny how fans were buying bulletin boards asking AD to hire a GM just two years ago. And then we got a GM other than AD and here we are.
Be careful what you wish for ’cause you might just get it!!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
I took offense to your assumption that You decide what is spot on for us all as if you have that kind of wisodm and knowledge us lessor ones don’t. All it is you agree or disagree…….you are a bit to condescending for my taste. Riff what you are is a blowhard smug sucka trying to be a playa. Quit it’s not working
I don’t come in here for your pats on the back. Just agree or disagree simple as that
The only problem I have with JaMarcus is he was lazy and didn’t give 100% to this org. With his talent had he worked as hard as he could paid attention to detail I think he could’ve easily succeeded. He didn’t try and he quit IMO. But if he has grownup and he’s earnestly seeking a second chance to prove himself. This org. would be wise to at least kick the tires and give him a once over to see if they are indeed interested. Beyond that you get Pryor ready to see what we have in him.
I love Russell as a talent, but he really let us down with his immaturity horrible attitude and poor approach to the game……….period
Now I could give one one bit a damn whether you suckers agree or NOT………period
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OK, yeah, nobody stole your account. Youre just a idiot. Carry on.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
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Riff, sometimes your just go off a cliff. comparing Gruden’s 8-8 season and Gannon who was always a winning QB to a 3-8 team that is one of the bigger jokes for teams in the nfl is off base. Your confidence in Reggie and DA has nothing to do with their performance but rather your quest to argue and be right. Anyone at this point who isnt confident in Reggie and DA isnt an idiot . In reality everyone realizes the excuses for 2012 and most everyone in here hopes they turn it around for 2013, but its fair to not be on their bandwagon because their performance has been below average. As Bill parcels says” you are what you are”
You’ll get your chance next year to claim the title of visionary because they both will still be here. But I’m not convinced they are the right combination to restore this franchise. i guess i’m an idiot who hopes to be wrong..we’ll see
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His narcissism is a bit much for even me. The fool thinks his opinion is the one that matters. Come out of the clouds boy. You aint what you think you are………….period
November 25th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
thanks for posting that Back n Black.
Reggie and his staff are very adept at evaluating talent, knowing who to pay, and who to let walk.
We don’t miss a SINGLE guy (at their salary) that we’ve let walk. And he’s found a couple starters for minimum salary.
Solid start to a huge turnaround.
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Well said.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
We basically split the cap hit for this year in half for next year, by guaranteeing his salary this year.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
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Riff, sometimes your just go off a cliff. comparing Gruden’s 8-8 season and Gannon who was always a winning QB to a 3-8 team that is one of the bigger jokes for teams in the nfl is off base. Your confidence in Reggie and DA has nothing to do with their performance but rather your quest to argue and be right. Anyone at this point who isnt confident in Reggie and DA isnt an idiot . In reality everyone realizes the excuses for 2012 and most everyone in here hopes they turn it around for 2013, but its fair to not be on their bandwagon because their performance has been below average. As Bill parcels says” you are what you are”
You’ll get your chance next year to claim the title of visionary because they both will still be here. But I’m not convinced they are the right combination to restore this franchise. i guess i’m an idiot who hopes to be wrong..we’ll see
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His narcissism is a bit much for even me. The fool thinks his opinion is the one that matters. Come out of the clouds boy. You aint what you think you are………….period
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My opinion does matter. Im a valued member of this board. I routinely get compliments for my posts.
Whereas you on the other hand would not be missed if you left and are routinely ridiculed for your love affair with Jamarcuss.
Seriously, you want us to try out Jamarcuss. That says everything about you right there.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
1148-I’ll tell you what is wrong with this team-they aren’t very good.Both lines suck and our WRs can’t catch the damn ball.I watched Flacco throw the ball when his WR had single coverage and the WR went and caught the ball.I watch us and balls go through the receivers hands,Moore,DHB-they are terrible.Criner can catch but he is slower than a turtle.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Rolando at $4 million with just one year, is a perfect restructure candidate.
Extend him, get cap relief next year. Waive him, no cap relief.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Something is wrong here and it might be ownership in player’s ears. It might be that this team wants out of Oakland big-time. I have never seen such a piss-poor performance when it counted the most. Ex-Coach, QB’s ex-team, should have been our “bowl game” even in a losing season.
This is extremely sad because of the fans. I have been on this blog for years and I have seen that Raider fans are the most PASSIONATE, DIVERSE, KNOWLEDGEABLE, FUNNY and downright DIE-HARD of any team in league. No other teams’ fans could have more posters week-in-week-out with this many losing seasons.
IF ownership wants out of Oakland, they should just say so and not hamstring their own damn team. At least let us know don’t keep the greatest fans in the dark and feed em chit.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I remember back in the day when Gruden and Gannon used to get boo’d.
Everyone wanted a rocket arm QB (even though Gannon could throw it 40 yds on a rope) and I remember fans wanting Gruden fired during the 8-8 years.
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
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Riff, sometimes your just go off a cliff. comparing Gruden’s 8-8 season and Gannon who was always a winning QB to a 3-8 team that is one of the bigger jokes for teams in the nfl is off base. Your confidence in Reggie and DA has nothing to do with their performance but rather your quest to argue and be right. Anyone at this point who isnt confident in Reggie and DA isnt an idiot . In reality everyone realizes the excuses for 2012 and most everyone in here hopes they turn it around for 2013, but its fair to not be on their bandwagon because their performance has been below average. As Bill parcels says” you are what you are”
You’ll get your chance next year to claim the title of visionary because they both will still be here. But I’m not convinced they are the right combination to restore this franchise. i guess i’m an idiot who hopes to be wrong..we’ll see
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Im not that confident in DA or Reg. You got me wrong.
What I am confident in is that most on this blog have never played football, and their entire football education is comprised of pregame shows and watching Raider games the last 40 years. That isnt going to give most a very high football IQ.
I dont even get a fair chance to criticize DA and Reggie where it is warranted because Im to busy trying to be a voice of reason here.
DA and Reggie are not without faults. Theyve made mistakes. We could discuss them if the collective IQ’s of the semi’s here ever got above 7. The semi’s solutions to everything is to once again tear up our coaching staff.
Watch the tape. We are gameplanning well. The play calling isnt the problem. Our players just suck.
I cannot guarantee DA and Reg turn it around. They have a steep hill to climb and a owner that is Al’s son after all. We’ll see how it plays out.
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Riff, we need a #1 Wr because our current WRs dont run routes and don’t compete, we need so many playmakers on defense its a big task.Briesel, should hand in his uniform tonight. I agree 100% we need a roster turnover, so then I look at reggie and I’m not convinced he’s the guy. time will tell, he deserves a chance.
DA had positives early on , but the players seem to be playing worst. that could be 100% on the players too. i’m just struck on why Reece got his first carry in week 10 and why our Oline continues to struggle. Once again, DA and Reggie get 2013. But in my eyes , there are no excuses in 2013. thats my only point
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1400912-analyzing-the-oakland-raiders-salary-cap-heading-into-2013
Analyzing the Oakland Raiders’ Salary Cap Heading into 2013
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The Oakland Raiders are going to have some salary cap issues going in to the 2013 season.
Some big moves the past few seasons are going to rear their ugly heads, and Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie will have some tough decisions ahead of him.
Below are some notable Oakland Raiders players whose salaries will significantly hit the team in 2013:
Quarterback Carson Palmer
2012 salary cap = $825,000
2013 salary cap = $13,000,000
Oakland gave their 2012 first-round pick and 2013 second pick (which becomes a first-round pick if Oakland goes to the AFC Championship game) to the Bengals for Palmer. He has done a fine job in his first full season with the team, and is poised to break 4,000 passing yards.
But Palmer is a holdover from the Hue Jackson-led Oakland Raiders. Is McKenzie going to be willing to swallow $13,000,000? Or is this an opportunity for the Raiders to transition their offense to a quarterback that fits the mold that McKenzie and head coach Dennis Allen are looking for?
Wide Receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey
2012 salary cap = $5,279,000
2013 salary cap = $7,721,000
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Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey always seems to be on the cusp of a breakout season. He came close to breaking the 1,000 yard season in 2011 with 975 receiving yards (a first for him). However, he is on pace for only 500 yards in 2012.
DHB’s $7,721,000 is a hard pill to swallow for a receiver with his numbers. This decision may not be so hard for Reggie McKenzie.
Defensive Lineman Richard Seymour
2012 salary cap = $925,000
2013 salary cap = $7,500,000
Richard Seymour is coming off a five-and-a-half sack season in 2010 and a six sack season in 2011and but he hasn’t been the difference-maker against the run. The defensive line for the Oakland Raiders sorely need an aggressive run-stopper worthy of a $7,500,000 salary cap hit.
Seymour isn’t that run stopper.
Defensive Lineman Tommy Kelly
2012 salary cap = $6,000,000
2013 salary cap = $6,500,000
Where are you, Tommy Kelly?
Seven sacks in 2010 and seven-and-a half in 2011 and zero so far in 2012. He’s numbers are declining, and that’s part of the reason the Raiders front four are getting very little pressure on opposing quarterbacks.
He will make $6,500,000 in 2013 and $7,000,000 in 2014 before becoming an unrestricted free agent in 2014.
I’d be surprised if he is wearing the silver and black by then.
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Running Back Darren McFadden
2012 salary cap = $5,650,000
2013 salary cap = $5,856,250
One of the few bright spots (when healthy) the past few years, running back Darren McFadden’s salary cap figure next season is close to what it is this season. There is no doubt that Darren McFadden can be an explosive running back if he’s utilized correctly.
He’s got one more season before he becomes a free agent, I would suspect that head coach Dennis Allen will look to put McFadden in a more favorable offensive scheme next season.
Other notable 2013 Oakland Raiders player salary cap hits:
Linebacker Rolando McClain
2012 salary cap = $970,000
2013 salary cap = $4,005,000
A big jump to $4,005,000 in 2013 for a failed linebacker in a reduced role? Not likely.
Offensive Guard Mike Brisiel
2012 salary cap = $700,000
2013 salary cap = $4,350,000
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Oakland Raiders (and former Houston Texans) guard Mike Brisiel was supposed to be the one lineman we wouldn’t have to worry about playing in a zone blocking scheme. I don’t know about you, but I’ve been worried for a few weeks now. Add to that the fact that 2008 was the last time Brisiel played a full season and I would be really surprised if we see this cap number remain the same.
Safety Michael Huff
2012 salary cap = $700,000
2013 salary cap = $4,000,000
Safety turned corner (when does THAT happen?) Michael Huff has stepped up HUGE for this Oakland Raiders defense.
Kicker Sebastian Janikowski
2012 salary cap = $1,700,000
2013 salary cap = $3,800,000
Seabass is still one of the most reliable kickers in the NFL, and he will break the NFL record for the longest field goal while wearing silver and black.
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Ive been saying for weeks that 2013 is going to be just as ruff to deal with cap wise as 2012. IDK why Cork and others keep reporting otherwise.
This team is going to get gutted.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Do you practice this in a mirror or walk down the streets telling everyone how great you are.
You are one delusional sucka!
November 25th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Who cares what Seymour’s contract $ is for next year. His knee is shot and he needs to retire. I hope there’s language in that contract to protect the team against medical situations like his. Or maybe not. After all we’re not talking about very smart business people running this team.
Funny how fans were buying bulletin boards asking AD to hire a GM just two years ago. And then we got a GM other than AD and here we are.
Be careful what you wish for ’cause you might just get it!!!!
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Shut up and be patient.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I remember back in the day when Gruden and Gannon used to get boo’d.
Everyone wanted a rocket arm QB (even though Gannon could throw it 40 yds on a rope) and I remember fans wanting Gruden fired during the 8-8 years.
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
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Riff, sometimes your just go off a cliff. comparing Gruden’s 8-8 season and Gannon who was always a winning QB to a 3-8 team that is one of the bigger jokes for teams in the nfl is off base. Your confidence in Reggie and DA has nothing to do with their performance but rather your quest to argue and be right. Anyone at this point who isnt confident in Reggie and DA isnt an idiot . In reality everyone realizes the excuses for 2012 and most everyone in here hopes they turn it around for 2013, but its fair to not be on their bandwagon because their performance has been below average. As Bill parcels says” you are what you are”
You’ll get your chance next year to claim the title of visionary because they both will still be here. But I’m not convinced they are the right combination to restore this franchise. i guess i’m an idiot who hopes to be wrong..we’ll see
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Im not that confident in DA or Reg. You got me wrong.
What I am confident in is that most on this blog have never played football, and their entire football education is comprised of pregame shows and watching Raider games the last 40 years. That isnt going to give most a very high football IQ.
I dont even get a fair chance to criticize DA and Reggie where it is warranted because Im to busy trying to be a voice of reason here.
DA and Reggie are not without faults. Theyve made mistakes. We could discuss them if the collective IQ’s of the semi’s here ever got above 7. The semi’s solutions to everything is to once again tear up our coaching staff.
Watch the tape. We are gameplanning well. The play calling isnt the problem. Our players just suck.
I cannot guarantee DA and Reg turn it around. They have a steep hill to climb and a owner that is Al’s son after all. We’ll see how it plays out.
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Riff, we need a #1 Wr because our current WRs dont run routes and don’t compete, we need so many playmakers on defense its a big task.Briesel, should hand in his uniform tonight. I agree 100% we need a roster turnover, so then I look at reggie and I’m not convinced he’s the guy. time will tell, he deserves a chance.
DA had positives early on , but the players seem to be playing worst. that could be 100% on the players too. i’m just struck on why Reece got his first carry in week 10 and why our Oline continues to struggle. Once again, DA and Reggie get 2013. But in my eyes , there are no excuses in 2013. thats my only point
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I dont disagree with that.
What if we are a “competitive” 8-8 next year… is that enough to get your support for this staff to give them 2014?
November 25th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
the most important thing to look at is signing bonus and guaranteed money. those are the only 2 amounts that count towards the cap if a player is cut. thats why seymours deal makes no sense in a rebuilding mindset
November 25th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Raidertalk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Something is wrong here and it might be ownership in player’s ears. It might be that this team wants out of Oakland big-time. I have never seen such a piss-poor performance when it counted the most. Ex-Coach, QB’s ex-team, should have been our “bowl game” even in a losing season.
This is extremely sad because of the fans. I have been on this blog for years and I have seen that Raider fans are the most PASSIONATE, DIVERSE, KNOWLEDGEABLE, FUNNY and downright DIE-HARD of any team in league. No other teams’ fans could have more posters week-in-week-out with this many losing seasons.
IF ownership wants out of Oakland, they should just say so and not hamstring their own damn team. At least let us know don’t keep the greatest fans in the dark and feed em chit.
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That is a bold accusation.
Moving to LA would be such a huge mistake. That doesnt mean that Mark doesnt want to do it.
But I cant say I agree with you. I dont think that Mark is asking players to tank, even if it looks like some players clearly are.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I remember back in the day when Gruden and Gannon used to get boo’d.
Everyone wanted a rocket arm QB (even though Gannon could throw it 40 yds on a rope) and I remember fans wanting Gruden fired during the 8-8 years.
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
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Riff, sometimes your just go off a cliff. comparing Gruden’s 8-8 season and Gannon who was always a winning QB to a 3-8 team that is one of the bigger jokes for teams in the nfl is off base. Your confidence in Reggie and DA has nothing to do with their performance but rather your quest to argue and be right. Anyone at this point who isnt confident in Reggie and DA isnt an idiot . In reality everyone realizes the excuses for 2012 and most everyone in here hopes they turn it around for 2013, but its fair to not be on their bandwagon because their performance has been below average. As Bill parcels says” you are what you are”
You’ll get your chance next year to claim the title of visionary because they both will still be here. But I’m not convinced they are the right combination to restore this franchise. i guess i’m an idiot who hopes to be wrong..we’ll see
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Im not that confident in DA or Reg. You got me wrong.
What I am confident in is that most on this blog have never played football, and their entire football education is comprised of pregame shows and watching Raider games the last 40 years. That isnt going to give most a very high football IQ.
I dont even get a fair chance to criticize DA and Reggie where it is warranted because Im to busy trying to be a voice of reason here.
DA and Reggie are not without faults. Theyve made mistakes. We could discuss them if the collective IQ’s of the semi’s here ever got above 7. The semi’s solutions to everything is to once again tear up our coaching staff.
Watch the tape. We are gameplanning well. The play calling isnt the problem. Our players just suck.
I cannot guarantee DA and Reg turn it around. They have a steep hill to climb and a owner that is Al’s son after all. We’ll see how it plays out.
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Riff, we need a #1 Wr because our current WRs dont run routes and don’t compete, we need so many playmakers on defense its a big task.Briesel, should hand in his uniform tonight. I agree 100% we need a roster turnover, so then I look at reggie and I’m not convinced he’s the guy. time will tell, he deserves a chance.
DA had positives early on , but the players seem to be playing worst. that could be 100% on the players too. i’m just struck on why Reece got his first carry in week 10 and why our Oline continues to struggle. Once again, DA and Reggie get 2013. But in my eyes , there are no excuses in 2013. thats my only point
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I dont disagree with that.
What if we are a “competitive” 8-8 next year… is that enough to get your support for this staff to give them 2014?
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yes 8-8 , 9-7 gets it done for me..absolutely
November 25th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Rolando at $4 million with just one year, is a perfect restructure candidate.
Extend him, get cap relief next year. Waive him, no cap relief.
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Restructure and trade him for a can of tuna.
Seriously, restructuring only pushes the problem to the future. We need to rid ourselves of this bum as soon as possible.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
I remember back in the day when Gruden and Gannon used to get boo’d.
Everyone wanted a rocket arm QB (even though Gannon could throw it 40 yds on a rope) and I remember fans wanting Gruden fired during the 8-8 years.
We’re hearing the same crap from the same idiots on this blog. I really cant wait for DA and Reggie to turn this around so that all the idiots here will have to shut up.
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Riff, sometimes your just go off a cliff. comparing Gruden’s 8-8 season and Gannon who was always a winning QB to a 3-8 team that is one of the bigger jokes for teams in the nfl is off base. Your confidence in Reggie and DA has nothing to do with their performance but rather your quest to argue and be right. Anyone at this point who isnt confident in Reggie and DA isnt an idiot . In reality everyone realizes the excuses for 2012 and most everyone in here hopes they turn it around for 2013, but its fair to not be on their bandwagon because their performance has been below average. As Bill parcels says” you are what you are”
You’ll get your chance next year to claim the title of visionary because they both will still be here. But I’m not convinced they are the right combination to restore this franchise. i guess i’m an idiot who hopes to be wrong..we’ll see
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Im not that confident in DA or Reg. You got me wrong.
What I am confident in is that most on this blog have never played football, and their entire football education is comprised of pregame shows and watching Raider games the last 40 years. That isnt going to give most a very high football IQ.
I dont even get a fair chance to criticize DA and Reggie where it is warranted because Im to busy trying to be a voice of reason here.
DA and Reggie are not without faults. Theyve made mistakes. We could discuss them if the collective IQ’s of the semi’s here ever got above 7. The semi’s solutions to everything is to once again tear up our coaching staff.
Watch the tape. We are gameplanning well. The play calling isnt the problem. Our players just suck.
I cannot guarantee DA and Reg turn it around. They have a steep hill to climb and a owner that is Al’s son after all. We’ll see how it plays out.
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Riff, we need a #1 Wr because our current WRs dont run routes and don’t compete, we need so many playmakers on defense its a big task.Briesel, should hand in his uniform tonight. I agree 100% we need a roster turnover, so then I look at reggie and I’m not convinced he’s the guy. time will tell, he deserves a chance.
DA had positives early on , but the players seem to be playing worst. that could be 100% on the players too. i’m just struck on why Reece got his first carry in week 10 and why our Oline continues to struggle. Once again, DA and Reggie get 2013. But in my eyes , there are no excuses in 2013. thats my only point
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I dont disagree with that.
What if we are a “competitive” 8-8 next year… is that enough to get your support for this staff to give them 2014?
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yes 8-8 , 9-7 gets it done for me..absolutely
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I’ll take a competitive 7-9
But I want to see Reggie fix the issues we have. And most of them arent coachable. We need a line that can block. A impact DE and a impact WR.
He gets that and we can reach 7 wins. Another year of adding talent (#1 CB, another impact DE, a decent MLB) and by 2014 we should be a 10 win team.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Lefty12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
1148-I’ll tell you what is wrong with this team-they aren’t very good.Both lines suck and our WRs can’t catch the damn ball.I watched Flacco throw the ball when his WR had single coverage and the WR went and caught the ball.I watch us and balls go through the receivers hands,Moore,DHB-they are terrible.Criner can catch but he is slower than a turtle.
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I agree with u about our Defense, its talent. BUT offense? Last year this offense was scoring points. I KNOW the O-coord is worse than Hue Jackson, not even the great Hue Jackson could make these WRs catch balls off their DAMN hands! These are the SAME players from last year!REECE DHB AND MOORE suddenly forget how to catch in the span of a year?
Something else is going on here–the org is not being up front on this.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
DA and Reggie are not without faults. Theyve made mistakes. We could discuss them if the collective IQ’s of the semi’s here ever got above 7. The semi’s solutions to everything is to once again tear up our coaching staff.
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See what I mean, this fool thinks he knows it all as if he’s spent 15 minutes in a front office. These people in here are just fans voicing there opinions to the best of their ability……….you friutloop.
People in here rarely see things the same way due to the fact they are removed from org. inworkings. I thought I was arrogant. This dummy doesn’t even realize he’s in a sports blog.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Rolando at $4 million with just one year, is a perfect restructure candidate.
Extend him, get cap relief next year. Waive him, no cap relief.
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Restructure and trade him for a can of tuna.
Seriously, restructuring only pushes the problem to the future. We need to rid ourselves of this bum as soon as possible.
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McClain had 23 mil guaranteed, we paid close to 20 already..not sure how it works, but before we signed carter we were 6mil below the cap per Cork. I wonder if we cut him this year if it counts towards the cap this year and then next year he wouldnt affect the cap
November 25th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Nycraider,
Regardless of what it will take to keep you and I in support of this staff, the fact remains, we had a large contingent of this fanbase that boo’d Gruden and Gannon.
That was my point. They were wrong about Gruden/Gannon and odds are, they got DA and Reggie wrong.
My older brother was one of them. He couldnt wait for Gannon to make way for Kerry Collins. A perfect example of the typical idiot Raider fan right there.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
“It’s like the Carson Palmer Show, with a little [fullback/halfback] Marcel Reece sprinkled in,” said Houshmandzadeh, who spent the second half of last season with the Raiders but is not currently with an NFL team. “The receivers have no [veteran] to learn from, and the backs have nowhere to run. That offense was so good when Hue was there, and it still would have been. I guarantee Mark Davis is kicking himself in the ass for [getting rid of Jackson].”
- TJ Houshmanzadeh
November 25th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Nycraider Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Rolando at $4 million with just one year, is a perfect restructure candidate.
Extend him, get cap relief next year. Waive him, no cap relief.
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Restructure and trade him for a can of tuna.
Seriously, restructuring only pushes the problem to the future. We need to rid ourselves of this bum as soon as possible.
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McClain had 23 mil guaranteed, we paid close to 20 already..not sure how it works, but before we signed carter we were 6mil below the cap per Cork. I wonder if we cut him this year if it counts towards the cap this year and then next year he wouldnt affect the cap
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IDK what the cutoff date is for that. I think its very early in the season, week 1 possibly. But dont quote me on that. Either way, we’re probably stuck with Ro.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Their IQ has nothing to do with it. They just have never been close enough to what really happens to make a better assesment of what really goes on.
I verbally abuse them on occasion but I’m always concious of the fact they have never spent a minute discussing this stuff with NFL personnel.
If you have just realize where you are and whom you’re speaking with. Their IQ’s are otherwise probably higher than yours, as I’ve come to know over the years dealing with them.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
“It’s like the Carson Palmer Show, with a little [fullback/halfback] Marcel Reece sprinkled in,” said Houshmandzadeh, who spent the second half of last season with the Raiders but is not currently with an NFL team. “The receivers have no [veteran] to learn from, and the backs have nowhere to run. That offense was so good when Hue was there, and it still would have been. I guarantee Mark Davis is kicking himself in the ass for [getting rid of Jackson].”
- TJ Houshmanzadeh
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Ouch.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Nycraider,
Regardless of what it will take to keep you and I in support of this staff, the fact remains, we had a large contingent of this fanbase that boo’d Gruden and Gannon.
That was my point. They were wrong about Gruden/Gannon and odds are, they got DA and Reggie wrong.
My older brother was one of them. He couldnt wait for Gannon to make way for Kerry Collins. A perfect example of the typical idiot Raider fan right there.
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ok , i always loved gannon. I always respected Al, but thought he struggled with his love for strong armed QBs. To me Stabler , Gannon and even Plunkett to an extent were defined by their ability to make a play not a throw.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Raider Riff Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Raidertalk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Something is wrong here and it might be ownership in player’s ears. It might be that this team wants out of Oakland big-time. I have never seen such a piss-poor performance when it counted the most. Ex-Coach, QB’s ex-team, should have been our “bowl game” even in a losing season.
This is extremely sad because of the fans. I have been on this blog for years and I have seen that Raider fans are the most PASSIONATE, DIVERSE, KNOWLEDGEABLE, FUNNY and downright DIE-HARD of any team in league. No other teams’ fans could have more posters week-in-week-out with this many losing seasons.
IF ownership wants out of Oakland, they should just say so and not hamstring their own damn team. At least let us know don’t keep the greatest fans in the dark and feed em chit.
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That is a bold accusation.
Moving to LA would be such a huge mistake. That doesnt mean that Mark doesnt want to do it.
But I cant say I agree with you. I dont think that Mark is asking players to tank, even if it looks like some players clearly are.
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I know the talent is not there yet to say to say playoffs are reachable. But this team should have been WAY more focused. It almost felt like this team was pissed at Palmer. This loss was half talent and half something else–the performance was too weird-almost purposeful.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Chris In NY Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
“It’s like the Carson Palmer Show, with a little [fullback/halfback] Marcel Reece sprinkled in,” said Houshmandzadeh, who spent the second half of last season with the Raiders but is not currently with an NFL team. “The receivers have no [veteran] to learn from, and the backs have nowhere to run. That offense was so good when Hue was there, and it still would have been. I guarantee Mark Davis is kicking himself in the ass for [getting rid of Jackson].”
- TJ Houshmanzadeh
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Nice quote, where did it come from?
November 25th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Their IQ has nothing to do with it. They just have never been close enough to what really happens to make a better assesment of what really goes on.
I verbally abuse them on occasion but I’m always concious of the fact they have never spent a minute discussing this stuff with NFL personnel.
If you have just realize where you are and whom you’re speaking with. Their IQ’s are otherwise probably higher than yours, as I’ve come to know over the years dealing with them.
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That is a fair post.
Which is why I try to educate. I know where Im at. I just marvel at those that dont know when they are speaking to someone that knows more. As if they are impervious to asking a question or valuing someone elses opinion that has been there and done that.
People far too often form opinions first, and then look for evidence to support it.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Aight guys, I gotta run.
Good talking to you all. Misery loves company.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
What I am confident in is that most on this blog have never played football
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Back with this crap again, who’s played in the NFL on this blog? who’s coached in the NFL on this blog? thats the end of that everyone is on eqaul footing, some people just know sports and some dont period. I’m sure there are coaches in the NFL that never played.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Lefty12, there’s nothing wrong with DMo and DHB that a well respected org coach couldn’t correct in short period of time. THey have shown they can play but look at what Palmer has turned into as of late.
An experienced eye can see that the team is demoralized and they just went out in the secodn half and played for each other.
Bad coaching can make very good talent look very average. And I’m telling ya’ if we do get a better coahc in here next yearyou’ll see what I mean. Hue did wonders for DHB and DMO both have slipped under this staff.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
dropped passes are nothing more than a lack of talent.
DHB has dropped them since college.
Our TEs have always been below league-average.
Random 5th-round WRs usually take 3 years to develop.
We have other teams’ cuts starting at RT and FB.
Today was very expected, especially an early game in Ohio.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Aaron Rogers sucks…his team gets beat 38-10 on the road….just like Palmer
November 25th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
How did Rodgers look behind that line Alex? Exactly.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
I know the talent is not there yet to say to say playoffs are reachable. But this team should have been WAY more focused. It almost felt like this team was pissed at Palmer. This loss was half talent and half something else–the performance was too weird-almost purposeful.
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Apparently Palmer gave a speech at half time. They responded in the 3rd quarter, but it was too late.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
No coaching staff in the world can cure a WR who can’t catch.
See: Roy Williams – Lions/Cowboys/Bears
Troy Williamson – Vikings
Mike Williams – former Bucs 1st round pick
Devin Hester – failed WR experiment
November 25th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
If you guys cant recognize this is a Seymour Bush lame attempt at talking smack you are blind & dumb.
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RaiderDuck Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
And here comes Oakfoshow, the Internet Tough Guy! Watch out everyone, or he’ll…he’ll…he’ll…say some mean things and then run away and spank it!
He really is a waste of life.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Eastoak
you keep proving MY POINT.
That line will get them to the playoffs, right?
Why? Because of skill players like Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, and Woodson.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Got some inside information comin from my source. But first she wants me to roll her over and pound it doggy style for about and hour or two. Then she says she’ll give me some head, then tell me who Reggie has in mind to replace Knapp with. Back at ya later brahs.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Priest,I absolutely disagree with you.Moore is terrible.He runs bad routes and he doesn’t fight for the ball.Today in the 2nd half was the 1st time all year where it looked like the players finally said enough is enough,I’m tired of getting my ass kicked and turning the other cheek.Allen even mentioned it was good to FINALLY see the players step up during half time.You believe the players can do no wrong and it all falls on the coaches.I don’t adhere to that way of thinking.I believe these players are losers and accept it.They have never shown any heart or pride until the 2nd half today.Maybe,just maybe,they will turn the corner and come out and act like pro football players instead of little pussies.Maybe it took being totally screwed by the officials today wake their a$$es up.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
thanks for posting that Back n Black.
Reggie and his staff are very adept at evaluating talent, knowing who to pay, and who to let walk.
We don’t miss a SINGLE guy (at their salary) that we’ve let walk. And he’s found a couple starters for minimum salary.
Solid start to a huge turnaround.
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Specifics?
How about Branch? This guy is probably the worst tackler we’ve seen in some time and he gets signed to a big long term deal? He’s a joke. He SUCKS..period.
Bad signing. NOT solid.
Seymour? Should’ve dumped him, taken the hit and moved on. He’s worthless.
Tollefsen? Is he even on the team?
Wheeler? Ok signing it appears.
Brisiel? Solid? I think not. He’s awful. C’mon.
Goodson? Good one i think.
I don’t see how this is a SOLID start.
We are 3-8 and in many people’s opinion the worst team in football and getting humiliated every week in the process by at least THREE touchdowns.
THIS…is a horrible start and bereft of hope.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
excellent examples.
Browns draft Joe Thomas and Mack at C = suck.
Browns get guys at skill positions = decent.
Dolphins draft Jake Long = no noticeable progress.
Dolphins draft Tannehill and Daniel Thomas, add Bush = decent.
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correct great examples they set the foundation first with the oline and and brought in the skill players later. you made my point for me.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I’m sure there are coaches in the NFL that never played.
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I’m sure there are coaches who never coached in the NFL before.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
And the curse of the cracked collar bone continues.
Since palmers grossly over hyped arrival the he & his raider team is 7-14
7-14?!?!?! Palmer has 35 turnovers over this stretch.
This is putrid & can not be seperated from the painfully ugly losses.
Carson must go, tp6 needs to play now
November 25th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
reggie bootlickers still in force trying to justify the mess this team
is…
November 25th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Priest,we have different philosophies.I hold players accountable,you give them all a free pass and put everything on the coaches.We’ll never agree about this.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
DJ
you don’t seem to understand how spreading a salary over multiple years (Seymour) is better than just cutting the guy at once.
Tollefson and Wheeler were signed for peanuts and one turned into a starter.
This is Branch’s first season allowed to practice zone D (think about that), something Davis didn’t allow/want. Can’t judge him based on this season.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Reggie’s record as GM
3-13
The end
November 25th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
and alex still loving zone…despite record futility…lmao
November 25th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
3-13….
November 25th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Cahnfucious say team play like dirty old sknak ho. Smelly, stinky and not that good in bed.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Mistic,
I will focus on what I agree with you on.
I think we need to see what Pryor can do.
We’ve had plenty of time to see Leinart over the yr’s so there’s no point there.
We need to at least see Pryor in real game action.
It’d be a shame if we let him go or pursued someone else w/o at least seeing what he can do.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
tp6 = JOKE
November 25th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
lol Eastoak
all these teams with terrible O-lines are going to make the playoffs (Bears, Packers, Steelers)
while teams like the Browns, Jets, and Dolphins, and Chiefs that spent huge 1st round picks on LT and C will be home.
And that’s the argument you keep wanting to stick with.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Lol if it’s true that Palmer gave a half time speech than this debacle Is that much more humiliating for carson.
The sacks, delay of game, fumble, pick, near pick & off target passes were a carnival of the absurd. His team ignored his half time speech, and staring down teammates like hoarders ignore cat droppings.
Palmer inspired no one & fell flat on his bungle stripped azz, for the world to see.
Forever cementing his status of mike browns biatch he turned in the flag ship flop job of his career.
This was a legacy game for Carson & stamps him indefinitely as an undisputed all time Oakland raider bust.
I wish I would have been wrong about him when he signed, sadly I was right all along
November 25th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
1203,
Alex, but he doesn’t seem to be able to tackle. Isn’t that part of what he needs to do in any capacity on the field?
I see waaay too many whiffs from him.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
all those teams have good defenses…
November 25th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
How are the Steelers doing since they had to turn to the backup baboon QB’s?….oh yeah 0-2
November 25th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Mistic,
It’s one thing to dislike a player. It’s another to hate someone. Your obsession with Palmer is incredibly weird.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
You know how the Vikings feel about letting Joe Webb go, or the Seahawks feel about letting Seneca Wallace go, or the Broncos feel about letting Tim Tebow go?
That’s how we’ll feel about letting Pryor go.
“Hey, there goes that EA Sports NCAA 95-rated athlete that we tried to fit at QB even though his throwing accuracy was a negative 8! Ha, that was nuts!”
November 25th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
It would be great if Aran and Miss got together and took care of each other.Neither should be on here.
November 25th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
I don’t hate Palmer
I do hate 7-14 35 turnovers & missing the playoffs & draft picks
Don’t you?
We better put that dog out of its missery Carson cracked his glass slipper & midnight has struck on his pitiful career in Oakland.
Time to hand the keys to tp6
At least there would be a reason to watch
November 25th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
DJ
remember last year how bad the Colts D was? They were baaaaad.
Then this year they got a D makeover from coaching to philosophy and suddenly guys are in better positions, take better angles, tackle better, make more plays.
I’m not bad-mouthing talented guys like Huff, Branch, and McClain until I see them coached by something other than the worst DCs in football.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Alex,
I’d still like to see it with my own eyes.
The season is over anyway.
If we don’t, there will always be the contingent that says we blew it with him.
So…throw him out there. I don’t see what harm it would do
November 25th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Palmer is a decent QB-not great-but he’s the best QB on the team by far and he’s not the biggest problem the Raiders have.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Why the racist bs
November 25th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
I’m not sure why Allen got the job, and I’m not convinced he’s a good or bad coach yet, but one thing is for sure: no talent on the defense.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Mistic
we saw what TP6 would look like (in preseason).
We saw the panicky drop backs where he’s looking at the oncoming rushers.
We saw the never-step-up-in-the-pocket bail out after bail out.
We saw the one-receiver stare-down before he tucked and ran.
That’s not something I want to watch for 2 hours.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Palmer worshipers are out of place to hide.
7-14 with 35 turnovers can’t be excused!!!!!!
Don’t real fans want better than that from the starting qb, a 10 year vet that cost 2 drafts?!?!?
I think anyone that would accept that isn’t basing it on football at all.
Hmmm I smell agenda
November 25th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
This is a piece of an article from bleacher report. Now, these guys grab every piece of garbage they can find, and many times its way off an borderline irresponsible. But this was a solid article. Here’s a piece:
Oakland’s issues go far beyond talent. That’s what having issues in basically every imaginable area indicates. Sure, it would be nice to be able to pin all of Oakland’s problems on talent, but if that’s the case the Raiders are lacking it at literally every position. That clearly isn’t the situation and why the coaching and culture have to be evaluated as possible reasons for Oakland’s poor play.
And.
The previous regime caused some of Oakland’s problems, but the new regime clearly has plenty of their own. Head coach Dennis Allen has been unable to solve Oakland’s issues on offense, defense or special teams, and opponents keep exposing new issues each week. There’s certainly a lack of talent on general manager Reggie McKenzie’s patch-work roster, but that’s not the only problem in Oakland.
Pretty much what every reasonable guy here has been saying. It’s ALL of them. Nobody is as bad as they seem individually. But everyone involved w this team has failed collectively.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Ortho
two intelligent, non-emotionally spazzing out posts! Thanks!
Until they fix the D, sign some legit WRs and TEs, and undo damage the new O-line coach has brought upon the pass-blocking, there’s not much to evaluate on DA other than the penalty situation (MUCH BETTER) and are the players playing hard (still diving after loose balls in the 4th Quarter).
November 25th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Do you realize that if McClain could make an open-field tackle on Matt Stafford, we would’ve made the playoffs last year and Hue would still be our HC.
So many reasons to regret that McClain draft selection.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
As most people not named Mistic know:
teams get credit for wins and losses.
QBs don’t carry around W/L records.
Drew Brees was “0-4″ earlier this year while Matt Cassel had “18 wins” the last two years.
It’s a team sport.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Chris
to be fair, McClain is a 3-4 ILB playing out of position for 3 straight seasons now.
And McClain was by FAR our best LB last year.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Tell Richard Seymour to go eff himself! He is a bum! What a pansy!
November 25th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
I sure do not want to see Dennis Allen coach another season, but unless Mark Davis is willing to pay for a “real” Head Coach, he will get a 2nd chance.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Playing Pryor is not about saving this season for the 100th time.
At this point our season is over & Carson has proven to be a monumental bust, turning in the flag ship flop of his career in his legacy game.
Pryor must be evaluated now so we know if we have a qb of the future presently, or if we need to draft.
3-8 means Palme has nothing to offer & is only robbing a promising young prospect of crucial playing time.
Qb gets sent to the bench all of the time. Tebow for Orton mcnabb for ponder, gerrard for tanyhill, and so on.
Hell even qbs with winning seasons get that treatment ask Alex smith.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Riff, listen man I don’t know you and you don’t know me……..I never troll I am who I am 100% of the time. Just because you may disagree at times doesn’t make me some troll. So lets leave it at that.
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Except 70% of the time you’re drunk as a skunk, which makes for entertaining incoherent rambles.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
No fire at all from the defense, which is a direct reflection of the Head Coach. What the heck did you see in this loser, Reggie?
November 25th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Mistic, monumental bust = Jamarcus Russell. Carson Palmer is just a better than average QB.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Oak R8r
I kinda think the Raiders ARE lacking talent at EVERY position.
I mean, what D-lineman is supposed to be an awesome sack machine or run-stuffer? None.
Our LBers are a mix of guys cut by other teams (Wheeler) and low-round picks (Burris, Goethel).
Our corners and safeties were cut by other teams yet start for us (Gio, Hanson, Bartell, Philip Adams).
Our RT most of this season was a guy waived by the Redskins. Our LG is a random mid-round rookie.
Our RB is a converted college WR.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Alex,
That Stafford “whiff” is tough to forget.
It’s not just that. The tape I see shows him to be very ineffective at best.
I’m sensing your insinuating coaching is the problem with the D.
I”d hate to waste another yr. simply having different coaches to find out.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
And another season where the Raiders fans realized before the GM they had a terrible coordinator who definitely deserves to be thrown into the ocean: last year it was Bresnahan, this year it is Knapp!
November 25th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Beach Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Mistic, monumental bust = Jamarcus Russell. Carson Palmer is just a better than average QB.
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Palmer 7-14 35 turnovers
Russel. 7-18. 38 turnovers
Whats the difference? Palmer is actually on pace for more turnovers than russel in shorter time!!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
re: Pryor
TWO DIFFERENT set of coaching staffs have looked at Pryor and said there’s nothing “promising” about him, and found other QBs to play instead.
64 times teams passed on him in a draft where HE WAS THE ONLY PLAYER AVAILABLE.
Promising to who?
The guys who WATCH HIM EVERY PRACTICE and pre-season game have decided he’s not very good. For two seasons in a row. Let’s just accept that. He sucked at OSU, he’s sucked in the NFL, he continues to inspire no coaching staff, NO ONE TRIED TO TRADE FOR HIM…
November 25th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
How many points did your obese, lazy, drug addict score on offense?
November 25th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
That great 49ers O-line has given up 11 more sacks than we have this year, in 80 less passing attempts.
Why? They had a crappy QB.
Insert a new QB, and that will change overnight.
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Actually the reason is because Alex Smith has, in his own words, chosen to hold onto the ball instead of forcing the ball into coverage.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Jamarcus amassed those turnovers despite being babied and only throwing about 18 passes a game.
Palmer amassed 4 of those turnovers in one unfair game, and the rest have come when he’s throwing 40 times a game, the D KNOWS he’s throwing, and his receivers have dropped an NFL-high number of passes.
(Three Raiders in top-15 most dropped passes list)
http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=nfl&type=receiving&rank=232
November 25th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
JLofty
that sounds like the words of a crappy QB who has been benched in favor of a guy who WILL NOT hold the ball and instead make the throws that the SF coaches KNOW are there to be made.
Campbell made the same career-ending decisions.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Mistic,
It’s one thing to dislike a player. It’s another to hate someone. Your obsession with Palmer is incredibly weird.
Have to agree here 100% this is very accurate!
November 25th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Alex your take on Pryor is flawed.
He joined the team after the 5th week last year they had no Chance to teach him the offense or see him practice. He was the number three after he arrived and back up qbs don’t get practice reps. We have no idea what the staff thought of him last year.
Pryor was made number 3 this year as learning a new offense put him behind leinart who came here becuase he already knew this offense. Carson was penciled the starter , leinart was number two so as long as the team was competing for the playoffs , if Carson was injured leinart could step right in. 3rd string qbs don’t practice Alex
They have not seen him in practice everyday like you claim.
Besides tr circumstance has changed. The playoffs is no just a laughable pipe dream and Carson is worthless at this point. He can only take hits for the rest of the season might as well develop and evaluate the youngster. Make him number 1 or 2 and give him major time in practice and on sunday
November 25th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Priest,I absolutely disagree with you.Moore is terrible.He runs bad routes and he doesn’t fight for the ball.Today in the 2nd half was the 1st time all year where it looked like the players finally said enough is enough,I’m tired of getting my ass kicked and turning the other cheek.Allen even mentioned it was good to FINALLY see the players step up during half time.You believe the players can do no wrong and it all falls on the coaches.I don’t adhere to that way of thinking.I believe these players are losers and accept it.They have never shown any heart or pride until the 2nd half today.Maybe,just maybe,they will turn the corner and come out and act like pro football players instead of little pussies.Maybe it took being totally screwed by the officials today wake their a$$es up.
Priest,we have different philosophies.I hold players accountable,you give them all a free pass and put everything on the coaches.We’ll never agree about this.
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Lefty12, Man that is some strong opinionated words. I have been a constant critic of Palmers ints. Our defensive play. A critic of some of the talent Reggie has brought in. But if you want to characterize me with a broad brush go ahead. I critigue players all the time but when I see players struggling to win the way this team is and they can’t get it going I always look at the leadership group. Because you don’t get blown out like we have and it’s ALLL the players. If there were some players a few here or there. But to characterize all these players as quitters and check cashers is just ignorant. The facts show this team is ill prepared the coahcing is damn near incompetent.
I’ve sen coaches come on a team that looked lost as hell untalented and hopeless like the Rams last year. Only to see a coahc come in and ruen it around almost instantaneously. Now who would you attribute that to? The players just figuring it out or is it better direction and better coaching. It’s basically the same talent with a few exceptions.
You held Hue rsponsible for everything but wont hold DA responsible for anything. You still blame Al davis who’s been dead for over a year for a blown out loss today.
A blind man can see this team lacks direction and leadership and that is COACHING!
November 25th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
So maybe we’ll akways disagree on some things but to say I always do anything is an exageration. I hold many players accountable. I think you’re pissed about the state of affairs and we disagree on who’s to blame is why you attacked me falsely.
Also you know that I have been critical of DMo all year long running wrong routes. So man I don’t know where you’re coming from but to say I NEVER hold players accountable is NOT true.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
beach Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
And another season where the Raiders fans realized before the GM they had a terrible coordinator who definitely deserves to be thrown into the ocean: last year it was Bresnahan, this year it is Knapp!
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Yep!
November 25th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
A surre sign that alen deserves blame
1. Multiple double digit blow out losses home & rid games
2 several late game collapses
3. RoutIne 3rd quarter meltdowns
4. Complete lack of discipline penalties personal fouls
5. Players finger pointing
6. Complete regression from our best playmakers from last year dhb, Moore, dmac
7. Failure to play tp6 ( pending)
November 25th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Damn, I’m like numb after that.
42 ppg in the last 4 games!! We have reached a whole new low in the history of this team. 42PPG!! Over 4 games!!!!
How is that even possible??
November 25th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Terrdull Pryor = nothing to watch…unless you enjoy watching stupidity
November 25th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
A surre sign that alen deserves blame
1. Multiple double digit blow out losses home & rid games
2 several late game collapses
3. RoutIne 3rd quarter meltdowns
4. Complete lack of discipline penalties personal fouls
5. Players finger pointing
6. Complete regression from our best playmakers from last year dhb, Moore, dmac
7. Failure to play tp6 ( pending)
8. Worst defense in football Allen’s supposed calling card ‘ specialty
November 25th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
This is what the guy at Walterfootball says about Manti Te’o being a top 5 pick despite not being a pure pass rushing LB. What he says makes sense and this is why Te’o would be a great pick by McK and the Raiders:
I could see Te’o being selected in the top five. I never would have projected any non-pass-rushing linebacker to go this high in years’ past, but things have changed. Consider:
1. With the new CBA, teams can focus on the top player available rather than positional value because rookies aren’t making nearly as much anymore.
2. Many teams are using matchup-nightmare tight ends, so linebackers who can cover these tight ends are now much more prevalent.
3. Te’o is the best player available in a very weak class.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
A surre sign that alen deserves blame
1. Multiple double digit blow out losses home & rid games
2 several late game collapses
3. RoutIne 3rd quarter meltdowns
4. Complete lack of discipline penalties personal fouls
5. Players finger pointing
6. Complete regression from our best playmakers from last year dhb, Moore, dmac
7. Failure to play tp6 ( pending)
8. Worst defense in football Allen’s supposed calling card ‘ specialty
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Plus, you forgot to mention, the team shows up on game day looking completely unprepared to play and or just not giving a damn.
That is all on the head coach and his coaches.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Alex your take on Pryor is flawed.
He joined the team after the 5th week last year they had no Chance to teach him the offense or see him practice. He was the number three after he arrived and back up qbs don’t get practice reps. We have no idea what the staff thought of him last year.
Pryor was made number 3 this year as learning a new offense put him behind leinart who came here becuase he already knew this offense. Carson was penciled the starter , leinart was number two so as long as the team was competing for the playoffs , if Carson was injured leinart could step right in. 3rd string qbs don’t practice Alex
They have not seen him in practice everyday like you claim.
Besides tr circumstance has changed. The playoffs is no just a laughable pipe dream and Carson is worthless at this point. He can only take hits for the rest of the season might as well develop and evaluate the youngster. Make him number 1 or 2 and give him major time in practice and on sunday
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Mistic1 they know this just choose to ignore it to add to their argument. Hue never gave the kid the time of day because of no offseason very late in training camp. Suspended the first 5 games and so was oushed aside. This is really Pryor’s rookie year for all intent and purposes.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Then we most likely have to deal with this crap from DA, Knapp, Pollack, Hoffman and Tarver again next year!?!
Oofff!
November 25th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Plus, you forgot to mention, the team shows up on game day looking completely unprepared to play and or just not giving a damn.
That is all on the head coach and his coaches.
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This is exactly my opinion of this team. They looked unprepared to play too often, at home and on the road that is coaching
November 25th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Allen is in over his head, & big Mack must get rid of him if he wants to keep his job.
Davis jr clearly isn’t sold. ” we have players , we have to coach them”
Just like davis sr to lance. “you have players, coach them”
Davis will also demand to Reggie and Allen to play Pryor soon
Palme worshipers in stunned silence tonight
November 25th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Miss Tick, not only are your opinions predictible, so is your timing.
8:44pm 8:52pm 8:59pm 9:03pm 9:12pm 9:19pm 9:28pm 9:39pm 9:47pm. So it takes an average of what,8 minutes or so, for you to reword the same tired crap and repost?
November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Worst defense in the NFL, bar none!
Sad. Allowing 32PPG for the season when there is only 1 team in the NFL that puts up more than 32 PPG on offense.
Incredible!
November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.
DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.
If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.
Might need to hire an experienced DC also.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Mistic,
It’s one thing to dislike a player. It’s another to hate someone. Your obsession with Palmer is incredibly weird.
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I felt the same way about how some posters went on crusades against JC last year it seems they’re hatred went way past just football.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Keep up the good work though, Miss Tick. I’m sure you’ll talk me out of my ethnocentriccally based Golden Hero Worship any day now.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
DA needs get rid of Knapp and just hire Saunders as OC and then demote or Tarver and hire someone experienced as his DC like Ed Donatell
November 25th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
DA needs get rid of Knapp and just hire Saunders as OC and then demote or Tarver and hire someone experienced as his DC like Ed Donatell.
Bring back Wylie and or Wiz as the OLine coaches as well and get back to power gap, counter, pulling and trap blocking football with some power zone mixed in.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
You have a lot of nerve calling me or anyone else ignorant.Saying I held Jackson responsible for everything isn’t exactly true.Saying I don’t hold Allen responsible for anything is also false.He is the head coach.Of course he is responsible.but it seems he is trying to do something unlike Jackson.Allen is getting involved in the defense,unlike Jackson who just let them stink and did nothing but let Bresnahan take all the blame.I blame Allen for not doing something about Knapp just as I blame Jackson for not doing a thing about Bresnahan.But,there comes a point where you have to look at the players and say you aren’t doing your jobs.You have assignments and you aren’t doing what you are supposed to do.Its like the old saying-you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.The good thing thing is Allen isn’t going anywhere and the players that can’t and won’t follow instructions are.I didn’t attack you.I voiced a different opinion.Too bad you seem to have such a difficult time accepting that.
November 25th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
I was hard on gradkowski he sucked, but I would take what he & clueless cable did over the Allen/ Palmer era.
This is an unmitigated dumpster fire!
November 25th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Fellas, we have to watch this defense play on prime time next Thursday night against Peyton!!
If the offense was able to push a team by putting up 30+ pts the other team would simply just score 50. It’s that bad.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
2romes Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
445.2romes Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
It requires a steady dose of progression and that is what Hue gave us. This group of collective coaches lead by BIG REGGIE is a joke right now.
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Yep!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Davis mentioned the regression, and it got worse today… especially on the offense. The defense played hard after halftime, or it would have been another paper-sack-over-head game.
Carson has maybe two seconds to complete a pass… what on earth has happened to our o-line? I seriously saw Barnes stand like a statue and let his guy go straight to the QB… he blocked NOBODY.
This is a grease fire… and I agree the blame goes mostly on the coaching. If it looked this hideous last year as regularly its on the players, but it didn’t.
To pretend this coaching staff is the answer, is blind faith at best, and delusion at worst.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Palmer got a nice hug from Hue after the game.
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Probably told him he wishes they could have worked together this year and make the playoffs but….
November 25th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Alex your take on Pryor is flawed.
He joined the team after the 5th week last year they had no Chance to teach him the offense or see him practice. He was the number three after he arrived and back up qbs don’t get practice reps. We have no idea what the staff thought of him last year.
Pryor was made number 3 this year as learning a new offense put him behind leinart who came here becuase he already knew this offense. Carson was penciled the starter , leinart was number two so as long as the team was competing for the playoffs , if Carson was injured leinart could step right in. 3rd string qbs don’t practice Alex
They have not seen him in practice everyday like you claim.
Besides tr circumstance has changed. The playoffs is no just a laughable pipe dream and Carson is worthless at this point. He can only take hits for the rest of the season might as well develop and evaluate the youngster. Make him number 1 or 2 and give him major time in practice and on sunday
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Mistic1 they know this just choose to ignore it to add to their argument. Hue never gave the kid the time of day because of no offseason very late in training camp. Suspended the first 5 games and so was oushed aside. This is really Pryor’s rookie year for all intent and purposes.
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Oh stop already. LOL.
You ran that exact bull with Russell. That “for all intents and purposes” it was his rookie year, that he hadn’t started a game, when in fact he not only played in the last couple/few games of his rookie year, but he started a game.
You just spit out anything that comes across your addled mind, don’t you? Facts be damned.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Allen is in over his head, & big Mack must get rid of him if he wants to keep his job.
Davis jr clearly isn’t sold. ” we have players , we have to coach them”
Just like davis sr to lance. “you have players, coach them”
Davis will also demand to Reggie and Allen to play Pryor soon
Palme worshipers in stunned silence tonight
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For what it’s worth i read from Mark’s “presser” he’d like to see Pryor in at some point.
It makes sense. Pryor was dad’s last pick and a 3rd rounder.
Should he be meddling? Probably not…i’m just sayin’.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
OLB’s Moore from A&M, Jones from Georgia or Te’o from ND will be the Raiders pick in the draft.
We should get a solid player out of those three.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Monte Poole@1MontePoole TWITTER
#Bengals S Chris Crocker on #Raiders: “They just couldn’t match our intensity.”
Crocker on his pal #Raiders QB Carson Palmer: “I didn’t even talk to him. I didn’t wanna rub it in.”
WOW
November 25th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
And what a coincidence?
priest blamed the coaches for the way they handled Russell. NEVER BLAMED RUSSELL.
And now priest is blaming the coaches for not coaching players who drop balls, don’t block, and suck at tackling. NEVER BLAMES THE PLAYERS..IT’S ALL ON THE COACHES.
Oddly though, priest has stated NUMEROUS TIMES HOW STUPID WE ALL ARE FOR QUESTIONING WHY A PLAYER WAS IN/OUT, STATING THE COACHES ALL KNOW MORE THAN WE DO, AND WE SHOULD STFU.
Of course, now priest is questioning everything the coaches do, stating none of them have a clue.
Consistency isn’t your strong suit, is it priest?
November 25th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Lefty12, maybe I touched a nerve with you but I ccritcize players all the time so I’m not sure what the hell you’re talking ab out. I just recently started attacked the staff during this losing streak because many want to blame a dead man for this mess.
It’s a collective effort and whenever players quit that is a coaching situation I’m not talking about ONE player I’m talking about the TEAM that is coaching. If it a few bad apples that’s an easy fix but when your team gets blown out 4 straight games that is NOT a few players that is your team and it points straight at the staff…..plain and simple.
I’m not sure how many times you want me to complain about each player and hold them accountable but obviously as I’ve said you choose to ignore it unless you don’t like it because it’s Palmer.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Monte Poole@1MontePoole Twitter
Just scanned more than 50 yrs of #Raiders history. Not until today had they lost 3 straight by at least 3 touchdowns. #newlow
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WOW NOT GOOD
November 25th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
You crazy fans who wanted Hue fired…..well….this is what you get in return.
Hope your happy.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
You follow Monte Poole’s twitter? WOW!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Lefty12 Don’t be to sure DA aint going anywhere because if this doesn’t get better soon I think he might be.
You cnanot get blown off the field by halftime in every game and the HC goes unscathed. he has to bring this to a stop in a hurry or he’s in jeopardy.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
NO I DONT.. I just see RT’s dude. (RETWEETS) thats how bad it is. tons of Raiders fans be RTweeting
November 25th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
They got shut out 3 in a row and won the superbowl.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
I dont follow poole. Just see RT’s from other fans
November 25th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Notice how they didn’t talk much before the game or during the game using the Hue story?
Guess both the Bengal and Raiders PR department, didn’t want to touch that sore subject huh?
Didn’t want to publicize how wrong Davis and McK were for getting rid of Hue.
Embarrassing.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
You have touched a nerve with me because I’m seeing something I thought you were above of.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
1282
LOL!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Okay, Raiders, I was worried about you.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
POOLE has been spot on about letting go of HUE JACKSON.. I know its a sore subject for most Raider fans.
They thought DA would actually work LMAO
November 25th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Crocker said Raiders couldnt match their intensity? HUH what gave them that idea???
Was it the 24-0 Halftime score??
November 25th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
And what is that criticizing a coaching staff that allows it’s team to loose 4 straight by 20 or more. WHO would you blame?
November 25th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Ummm
It DID look this bad last year.
How quickly you guys forget how you felt after the team got blown out back-to-back weeks by the Dolphins and Packers, then lost to the Tebow-led Broncos, lost to the Lions, lost to the Chargers.
You guys were saying the exact same nonsense back then, just last year. Fire everyone, fire Hue, cut everyone, blah blah.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Monte Poole@1MontePoole Twitter
Just scanned more than 50 yrs of #Raiders history. Not until today had they lost 3 straight by at least 3 touchdowns. #newlow
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WOW NOT GOOD
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…and under Reggie’s and DA’s watch. Worse yet…I wonder how Mark feels about that. It’s under HIS watch.
Dad never oversaw something THIS bad.
Someone mentioned last night that they think Mark is starting to take this personally and might finally feel all this has HIS stamp on it.
He’s a new owner and i’m sure he wants to be respected by his peers…i.e: his fellow owners and THIS….is just embarrassing.
He may or not be a ‘meddler’ but i don’t see him just taking this sitting down.
His “presser” told me as much.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
I’m starting to hate this damn team because it seems they have completely lost their way and who’s going to fix it? Reggie??
Give me a break!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
They got shut out 3 in a row and won the superbowl. ==== THAT WAS THE YEAR AFTER THEY WON THE SB GENIUS
November 25th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Hue Jackson OWNS Dennis Allen…..period!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I wanted Mark to give Hue a one year “SB or you are fired” scenario. He chose not to. I can handle that. This team is not anything like the team the coaching staff wants to coach. I still think Knapp is a complete moron, but am still holding out hope for the rest of the staff… maybe with a complete overhaul of the personnel we will see changes. Although with this continual regression, it sure makes it harder to see hope. Lets see if they can show up against Cleveland…
November 25th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I keep reading how the team has quit on the head coach and he has lost the team.I sure as hell don’t see that.I saw more fight in this team today than I have for a long time.You guys hate DA because he replaced your beloved Hue Jackson.You hate him because he and his boss are purging the team of all the slugs and losers that have no pride or heart.Fine.Go ahead and hate.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Miss Tick, not only are your opinions predictible, so is your timing.
8:44pm 8:52pm 8:59pm 9:03pm 9:12pm 9:19pm 9:28pm 9:39pm 9:47pm. So it takes an average of what,8 minutes or so, for you to reword the same tired crap and repost?====
Than he added one at 9:59pm. Even he saw the pattern and now he’s self conscious. You’ll thank me later.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
I could trust that Al Davis would kick someones rearend until it was raw.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Who did we criticize when the team faded last year?
Mostly same players, different coaches this year, same results.
Hmmm, maybe we just don’t have much talent? Last year we would also have been 6-10 if Manning played in Denver and we faced the Falcons, Bucs, and Saints instead of the weaker Vikings, Jets, Browns, and Cutler-less Bears.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Dknight007-give it up dude. Hue took an 8-8 team to 8-8 and could not beat Tim Tebow when he had to in the weakest division in football. Regression began with him IMO. Most penalties ever while Hue is off getting pedicures. Really? Not one other interview for a head coaching opportunity anywhere. He is/was a primadona who let the instant fame go to his head. Great guy but not a head coach at this point. I’ve read you’re posts. You’re smarter than this.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
POOLE has been spot on about letting go of HUE JACKSON.. I know its a sore subject for most Raider fans.
They thought DA would actually work LMAO
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Those fans who wanted Hue out, had no idea about who would be an improvement when replacing him. They just wanted Hue out. They’re thinking was warped, just as Mark Davis thinking was, when he was bent on getting rid of Hue.
Terrible mistake!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Lefty12 I don’t like him because OUR RECORD what is wrong with you??? If we were 8-3 I’d love him to death. That is your issue with Hue I think it was a waste to fire the guy yes but our record affirms everything I feel.
Win a DAMN GAME MAN why is that soo freakkin hard??
November 25th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Alex,
Mixed in with those losses was a win at KC that gave us hope and saved the season.
Plus..we didn’t get blown out against SD. We had a shot to win if our pathetic defense didn’t choke it away as they had done numerous occasions during the season.
Remember, we have NEVER LOST BY MORE THAN 3 TD’S FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE GAMES IN RAIDERS HISTORY.
That is significant.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I refuse to believe we are worse than KC. Or maybe we are…
November 25th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Dknight007-give it up dude. Hue took an 8-8 team to 8-8 and could not beat Tim Tebow when he had to in the weakest division in football. Regression began with him IMO. Most penalties ever while Hue is off getting pedicures. Really? Not one other interview for a head coaching opportunity anywhere. He is/was a primadona who let the instant fame go to his head. Great guy but not a head coach at this point. I’ve read you’re posts. You’re smarter than this.
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Huh? Your seeing the glass as half empty when it comes to Hue and I saw the glass half full.
When Hue was let go and DA and Knapp were hired….I knew this team would regress and be bad….I just didn’t think it would be this bad.
Ugh
November 25th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Mistakes are in the past. Move on to the future and right the ship.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
We “lost” our way? lol. What “way” did we ever have? We had zero winning seasons since Gruden/Bruce Allen/Gannon days.
How do you lose your way when you’ve been terrible 10 straight years?
It takes draft picks and time to change the fact we still have one of the least talented rosters in the NFL with ZERO Pro-Bow caliber players outside of our kicker.
Vegas knew we were a 4-win team. Doesn’t matter how delusional some of you were about it.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Ummm
It DID look this bad last year.
How quickly you guys forget how you felt after the team got blown out back-to-back weeks by the Dolphins and Packers, then lost to the Tebow-led Broncos, lost to the Lions, lost to the Chargers.
>>>>
The blowouts to the Dolphins and Packers came after three straight wins.
The Bronco’s loss was with CP still learning the playbook.
And SD and Detroit went to the final drive.
Please… NOT THE SAME THING!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
At least make a damn show of it…………….who wants to watch this crappp!
Purge all the talent they want just win games you are focused on the wrong thing. These players are good enough to win a damn game why haven’t they??
November 25th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Remember, we have NEVER LOST BY MORE THAN 3 TD’S FOR THREE CONSECUTIVE GAMES IN RAIDERS HISTORY.
That is significant.
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Setting new records of futility? Yes, that certainly is significant.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
sometimes i wish i had chosen another team. But here I am. week after week, year after year, decade after decade. getting really old.
later peoples…
November 25th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I keep reading how the team has quit on the head coach and he has lost the team.I sure as hell don’t see that.I saw more fight in this team today than I have for a long time.You guys hate DA because he replaced your beloved Hue Jackson.You hate him because he and his boss are purging the team of all the slugs and losers that have no pride or heart.Fine.Go ahead and hate.
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Team sure looks like they have quit to me by getting beat by 3 or more TD’s in 3 straight games for the first time in history?
November 25th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Compare our roster to other AFC West teams.
We have:
The fewest 1,000 yard rushers.
The 3rd-worst QB.
By FAR the worst WR group, with ZERO 1,000 yard WRs.
BY FAR the worst TE group.
BY FAR the least productive pass-rushing D-line.
BY FAR the fewest legit DBs.
BY FAR the fewest Pro Bowlers.
And that’s just in the weak AFC West.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Dknight007-give it up dude. Hue took an 8-8 team to 8-8 and could not beat Tim Tebow when he had to in the weakest division in football. Regression began with him IMO. Most penalties ever while Hue is off getting pedicures. Really? Not one other interview for a head coaching opportunity anywhere. He is/was a primadona who let the instant fame go to his head. Great guy but not a head coach at this point. I’ve read you’re posts. You’re smarter than this.
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The same Tebow who threw for 336 yd’s against Pittsburgh in a playoff win.
Better teams than Hue’s were victimized by “Tebow Mania” last yr.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
At least make a damn show of it…………….who wants to watch this crappp!
Purge all the talent they want just win games you are focused on the wrong thing. These players are good enough to win a damn game why haven’t they??
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They are certainly better than the product we’re seeing. I do not believe these players should result in a 3-8 record and getting blown out of each game. Not at all.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
Alex,
I’m not following you. I thought u were suggesting our roster was decent and we lacked coaching.
Your comments on Branch and McClain.
R u just saying we need better coaching on defense?
November 25th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Sh1t! If Palmer has only 2 seconds to get rid of the ball, damn oc should have a 2-3 step drop so CP can get rid of it. Design your fckng game around that slimey o-line.
And WTF. Last year we set the record for penalties. BFD. This year we’re settin the record for lopsided and blow out losses. Futility baby. Yeah. I’ll take the penalties and wins thank you very much.
Some body is sucking major dick big time. Coaches please stand up, take your accountability.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
How can we blame Hue for what Tebow did? Tebow plays offense. Hue did not have his choice of DC last year.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Dennis Allen looks lost out there on the sideline….like a dear in the headlights. Team isn’t even prepared or pumped to play football for him.
What a terrible reach by Davis and McK.
Changing what was working on offense the last two years to some weak azz ZBS and then actually bringing back a lousy OC like Knapp??
Who would have ever thought some slaphead like Knapp would be back coaching for the Raiders ahead of Gruden or even Hue??
Crazy world we live in indeed! lol
November 25th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
You get beat by 21 or more points…
when your roster sucks.
I saw our waiver-claim CB diving after a loose ball in the 4th quarter, swatting it to our safety who scooped it up and was followed downfield by 2 other offense-players hustling to block.
I saw our guys playing to the whistle and beyond it leading to a fight.
I saw our guys goal-line stuffing the Bengals despite being down by multiple touchdowns.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
How can we blame Hue for what Tebow did? Tebow plays offense. Hue did not have his choice of DC last year.
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Exactly.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
You get beat by 21 or more points…
when your roster sucks.
I saw our waiver-claim CB diving after a loose ball in the 4th quarter, swatting it to our safety who scooped it up and was followed downfield by 2 other offense-players hustling to block.
I saw our guys playing to the whistle and beyond it leading to a fight.
I saw our guys goal-line stuffing the Bengals despite being down by multiple touchdowns.
^^^^^^^^
Yeah. These guys actually give a damn….sometimes. haha
November 25th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
I’m damn sick of this Hue Jackson hating because some people miss the guy. They should miss him look what we’re looking at instead of what he brought to the table.
Who in their right mind wouldn’t miss that excitement instead this boring ass crapp eveery game. We’re down 20 points by halftime. Yet we’re not supposed to miss that offense……….I can’t understand that?
This team wreaks like hell and I HATE IT!!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
lol
if fighting, goal-line stuffing while being blown out, and diving/swatting loose balls isn’t showing “fire”
then you’re just making stuff up.
Our safety can’t tackle (TALENT ISSUE)
Giordano can’t cover (TALENT ISSUE)
Our DEs can’t rush the passer (TALENT ISSUE)
Our WRs and TEs keep dropping passes just like college (TALENT ISSUE)
November 25th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Dknight007-give it up dude. Hue took an 8-8 team to 8-8 and could not beat Tim Tebow when he had to in the weakest division in football. Regression began with him IMO. Most penalties ever while Hue is off getting pedicures. Really? Not one other interview for a head coaching opportunity anywhere. He is/was a primadona who let the instant fame go to his head. Great guy but not a head coach at this point. I’ve read you’re posts. You’re smarter than this.
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The same Tebow who threw for 336 yd’s against Pittsburgh in a playoff win.
Better teams than Hue’s were victimized by “Tebow Mania” last yr.
^^^^^^^^^
Exactly!
Come on No Mas…..your smarter than this buddy.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
I keep reading how the team has quit on the head coach and he has lost the team.I sure as hell don’t see that.I saw more fight in this team today than I have for a long time.You guys hate DA because he replaced your beloved Hue Jackson.You hate him because he and his boss are purging the team of all the slugs and losers that have no pride or heart.Fine.Go ahead and hate.
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Not me. I just don’t like being a laughingstock and setting records each week for futility.
Just think. In Raider HISTORY, with all the “bad” teams we’ve watched, THIS version has never been blownout in consecutive weeks this badly.
What gives us ANY INDICATION WHATSOEVER that DA has on the right path?
I am not saying fire the guy asap, becuz i’m sick of having anew HC every damn yr., which is why i didn’t want Hue fired last yr. either.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Compare our roster to other AFC West teams.
We have:
The fewest 1,000 yard rushers.
The 3rd-worst QB.
By FAR the worst WR group, with ZERO 1,000 yard WRs.
BY FAR the worst TE group.
BY FAR the least productive pass-rushing D-line.
BY FAR the fewest legit DBs.
BY FAR the fewest Pro Bowlers.
And that’s just in the weak AFC West.
^^^^^^^^^
Hue got the best out of his players with his offensive scheme compared to this crappy group. DA and especially Knapp and Tarver just don’t get it.
Just needed to hire a legit DC this year and take it to the next level.
Buuuuut…..nope….
November 25th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
ry Some Reality Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
How can we blame Hue for what Tebow did? Tebow plays offense. Hue did not have his choice of DC last year.
?????????????????????????????????????????????
He was the head coach! That’s a lme excuse dudes. He should have been prepared.
I’m out. nite peoples.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
DKnight007 Says:
Dennis Allen looks lost out there on the sideline….like a dear in the headlights. ==========================
I’ve wanted to put my dear in the headlights more than once.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Ummm
we lost 4 of our last 5 under Hue, getting BLOWN OUT by the Dolphins, Packers, and Chargers.
Our O averaged about 18 points a game during December.
Hue was the HEAD COACH and in charge of EVERYTHING, Defense included.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Has anyone noticed that Denver’s defense has gotten much better since DOA left? Don’t know if missing DOA’s coaching skills or if Peyton Manning’s influence is so large as to upgrade all who come into contact with it. Probably the latter because our defense didn’t get any better. And mind you, that’s coming from a Bresnahan led D. Doesn’t say much for our current leadership.
Rather than the faithful beat the schit out of each other, we really need to direct our anger or disgust, your choice. to where it belongs – our GM, coaches & players who have attained new lows in accomplishments. They all suck & we deserve better. I for one will NOT continue to support, financially with season tickets, until this turd turns around. I suspect that will be over a period of MANY years.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
lets see: 42-32
55-20
38-17
34-10= worst 4 game stretch in Raider history, or at least from what i have seen. This team plays ZERO defense, doesn’t even try. Special teams aren’t special and now the offense has fallen off of a cliff and can barely get in the endzone. this team might be worse than the 2006 raiders, 1997 raiders and that says a LOT for raiders fans that remember.3-13 may be doable for this team.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
We were 9th in offense last year (yards per game)
We are 10th in offense this year.
Last year we were 16th in offense in points per game.
Average.
Not exactly the Greatest Show on Turf.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Ummm
we lost 4 of our last 5 under Hue, getting BLOWN OUT by the Dolphins, Packers, and Chargers.
Our O averaged about 18 points a game during December.
Hue was the HEAD COACH and in charge of EVERYTHING, Defense included.
^^^^^^^^^^
And the team has regressed under Dennis Allen will only win 4 games this year.
The losses will keep coming and be ugly.
What’s your point?
November 25th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
JB Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Has anyone noticed that Denver’s defense has gotten much better since DOA left? Don’t know if missing DOA’s coaching skills or if Peyton Manning’s influence is so large as to upgrade all who come into contact with it. Probably the latter because our defense didn’t get any better. And mind you, that’s coming from a Bresnahan led D. Doesn’t say much for our current leadership.
Rather than the faithful beat the schit out of each other, we really need to direct our anger or disgust, your choice. to where it belongs – our GM, coaches & players who have attained new lows in accomplishments. They all suck & we deserve better. I for one will NOT continue to support, financially with season tickets, until this turd turns around. I suspect that will be over a period of MANY years.
>>> Raiders look like a division III team playing against the SEC right now. they are THAT bad. the only thing this team does well is kick the ball
November 25th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Mana
but us level headed guys KNEW we were this bad.
Just some of you kool-aid drinkers that thought somehow we were good.
Again, Vegas had us as a 6-win team. So did I. Nothing weird going on here.
These losses are expected due to our low talent level at WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, and DB.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Hue still had this team 1 game away from the playoffs despite all the turmoil he had to face in his 1st year as head coach.
The Raiders offense this year had gained most of their yardage because of GARBAGE time during the game.
Hue Jackson owns Dennis Allen!! lol
November 25th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Mana
but us level headed guys KNEW we were this bad.
Just some of you kool-aid drinkers that thought somehow we were good.
Again, Vegas had us as a 6-win team. So did I. Nothing weird going on here.
These losses are expected due to our low talent level at WR, TE, OL, DL, LB, and DB.
^^^^^^^^
Hue had most of the same talent last year to work with.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
And Hue didn’t have Palmer for the full year and lost DMC half way through also and he had a crappy DC like Chuck B to try and work with.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
DKnight
you can call it regressing if you want.
We were EXPECTED to be worse.
And we are.
Nothing out of the ordinary or people to blame for that other than Mr. Davis for leaving such a downward spiral of talent for this season (no draft picks, no FAs want to come here.)
November 25th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
So Manti Te’o plays in 3-4 , if we can draft him , we can switch to full time 3-4 and he will play next to McClain who will finally be playing in 3-4 again, we will have to get couple of outside pass rushers , and a NT
November 25th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
We were EXPECTED to be worse.
Simple.
DA and Reggie knew it was a looooong process to infuse this roster with legit talent.
Gamblers and people in the know knew we sucked and would win about 6 games this year.
Nothing out of the ordinary is going on here.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
DKnight
you can call it regressing if you want.
We were EXPECTED to be worse.
And we are.
Nothing out of the ordinary or people to blame for that other than Mr. Davis for leaving such a downward spiral of talent for this season (no draft picks, no FAs want to come here.)
^^^^^^^^^
Oh….now we admit regression was supposedly expected.
Okay. Now I understand. Sheesh.
Getting rid of Hue was a rookie mistake by the owner and GM….period…end of story.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.
DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.
If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.
Might need to hire an experienced DC also.
>> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
So Manti Te’o plays in 3-4 , if we can draft him , we can switch to full time 3-4 and he will play next to McClain who will finally be playing in 3-4 again, we will have to get couple of outside pass rushers , and a NT
^^^^^^^^^
Exactly. They can move Houston to 3-4 DE as well as Bryant, but they will have to find a NT.
Burris can play as a stand up OLB in a 3-4 also.
Would love to see Te’o as a Raider. He is special!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
And Hue didn’t have Palmer for the full year and lost DMC half way through also and he had a crappy DC like Chuck B to try and work with.
>> and what if Gruden was never traded to TB? and what if Madden wasn’t afraid of Flying and what if the Tuck never happened. gotta stop looking BACK and need to start looking ahead. I know you think Hue was the cool black dude that loved the Raiders but you gotta get over it, I’m sick of reading your Hue ball licking posts.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Mcfadden
Desmond Bryant can play a decent NT until we find a true bull for that spot.
He was constantly getting double-teamed today while Kelly was handled with single-blocking.
Both DA and Reggie come from 3-4 teams so I’m sure it’s in the plans.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
We need guys who hate to lose, I know Houston, Bryant, maybe Burris and wheeler are the only guys who freaking let this thing get to them, others are just happy when they collect their checks on Monday mornings, Draft Boar Hunters, Manti Te’o should be the choice
November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.
DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.
If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.
Might need to hire an experienced DC also.
>> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.
^^^^^^^^
Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!
November 25th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Raiders need to draft a new defense, all 11 positions.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
And Hue didn’t have Palmer for the full year and lost DMC half way through also and he had a crappy DC like Chuck B to try and work with.
>> and what if Gruden was never traded to TB? and what if Madden wasn’t afraid of Flying and what if the Tuck never happened. gotta stop looking BACK and need to start looking ahead. I know you think Hue was the cool black dude that loved the Raiders but you gotta get over it, I’m sick of reading your Hue ball licking posts.
^^^^^^^^^
I have been looking ahead…..been talking next years draft since week 1!
Been saying Knapp should have NEVER been hired as OC, ever since he was hired!
What else?
November 25th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Alex, We were down by 5 pt’s late in the 4th to SD until they broke our back with that 991/2 yd. drive to seal it.
It was NOT a blowout.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
DKnight
I told people in here for days in AUGUST that we were lucky to win 8 last year
(Cutler-less Bears, fluky win vs Chiefs in OT, Tebow-less Broncos week 1)
and that we’d lose more this year due to playing the Falcons, Bucs, Ravens, and Saints.
It’s not surprising to most of us.
November 25th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.
DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.
If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.
Might need to hire an experienced DC also.
>> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.
^^^^^^^^
Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!
>> you’re drunk or out of your damn mind, either way. Hue made the dumbest fukin trade in recent memory, so swing away
November 25th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Bengals coach Lewis — “I think our guys had some emotions. It’s over now. It’s done, it’s over, I think everyone can move on. We are where we are and Carson is where he is.”
November 25th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.
DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.
If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.
Might need to hire an experienced DC also.
>> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.
^^^^^^^^
Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!
>> you’re drunk or out of your damn mind, either way. Hue made the dumbest fukin trade in recent memory, so swing away
^^^^^^^^^
Hmm….you know what was dumber?
Not sticking with the coach who made the trade and had us one game away from the playoffs have him work with the QB he traded for at least a FULL season under the same system.
Ooops…Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Raiders should trade McFragile for a 5th round pick(thats what they’ll get for him) and send Branch and Mcclain to some sucker for a 2nd round pick. Branch is cool except for the fact that he never makes any plays. but he’s “solid”. RIIIIIIGGHTTTTT!!!
November 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
for the rational people,
this was a 3-year project from the beginning.
- Get rid of terrible contracts. (Check)
- Keep and wisely use draft picks (finally an almost full draft this April.)
- Have coaching continuity to develop consistency by year 3. (in process)
By year 3 of this regime, we’ll have a bunch of team-first guys like Burris/Houston/Huff/Reece/Wheeler surrounded by legit talent. Just takes draft picks and a few FA cycles.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Man
not sure how serious you are, but you might want to quickly research how winning teams are built around young veterans and not rookies.
The Bucs tried to go insanely young last year and went 4-12. Brought in veterans like Vincent Jackson and Dallas Clark, kept veterans like Barber, and are winning.
You don’t trade every decent vet for a draft pick and start a bunch of overwhelmed rookies.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.
DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.
If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.
Might need to hire an experienced DC also.
>> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.
^^^^^^^^
Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!
>> you’re drunk or out of your damn mind, either way. Hue made the dumbest fukin trade in recent memory, so swing away
^^^^^^^^^
Hmm….you know what was dumber?
Not sticking with the coach who made the trade and had us one game away from the playoffs have him work with the QB he traded for at least a FULL season under the same system.
Ooops…Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie.
>. when 8-8 wins your division being “1 game away” from the playoffs isn’t an accomplishment. raiders won 8 games last year with a weaker division and an soft schedule, lets all be real here. This team has sucked the last 2 years, just not QUITE as bad and had an easier schedule.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
for the rational people,
this was a 3-year project from the beginning.
- Get rid of terrible contracts. (Check)
- Keep and wisely use draft picks (finally an almost full draft this April.)
- Have coaching continuity to develop consistency by year 3. (in process)
By year 3 of this regime, we’ll have a bunch of team-first guys like Burris/Houston/Huff/Reece/Wheeler surrounded by legit talent. Just takes draft picks and a few FA cycles.
^^^^^^^^^
Yup. 2 more years of bad football and HOPE they turn it around in year 3.
Hope is the key word.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Come on, guys. It all starts with the defense. You can’t compete or be in a game when you give up over 40 a game, unless you have Tom Brady or a Manning at QB. Look at SF. They are going to a rookie QB because they have the defense that allows them to win with only 20 points a game.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Hue was put in a position he didn’t even ask for as having to play GM due to the death of the owner, and what coach wouldn’t want the best QB available to help get him to the playoffs after his starter went down?
Do u think Hue Jackson did that trade w/o approval from Mark Davis or other Raider brass? He couldn’t have.
Nobody argues that Palmer wasn’t the best available at the time. The criticism came becuz how much we gave up for him; a decision that was approved of by Raider brass.
Hue did not come to Oakland to be GM…he was made defacto GM by Al’s passing. Hue was the HC.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
49ers today scored 17 on offense and 14 on defense. They have a defense while our team has not had any defense for 10 years! Dennis Allen is an idiot!
November 25th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.
DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.
If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.
Might need to hire an experienced DC also.
>> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.
^^^^^^^^
Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!
>> you’re drunk or out of your damn mind, either way. Hue made the dumbest fukin trade in recent memory, so swing away
^^^^^^^^^
Hmm….you know what was dumber?
Not sticking with the coach who made the trade and had us one game away from the playoffs have him work with the QB he traded for at least a FULL season under the same system.
Ooops…Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie.
>. when 8-8 wins your division being “1 game away” from the playoffs isn’t an accomplishment. raiders won 8 games last year with a weaker division and an soft schedule, lets all be real here. This team has sucked the last 2 years, just not QUITE as bad and had an easier schedule.
^^^^^^^^
Wow…sounds like you prefer ugly losing football ahead of exciting winning football?
Jesus. I’m out.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
worse trades than the Palmer trade:
Eagles trade for Kolb (1st and 2nd round talent)
Broncos trading for Tebow draft spot (1st, 3rd, and 5th rounders used).
Redskins trading for McNabb (high 2nd rounder, didn’t last one season).
And that’s just in the last 4 years.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
The biggest difference this season compared to last season is that weak offensive line. Those guys were useless today!
November 25th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
I also didn’t like seeing this team have 3 different head coaches in 3 years when it wasn’t necessary.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
DKnight
what was exciting about finishing 1-4 last year with blowout losses to the Dolphins and Packers?
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
beach Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
The biggest difference this season compared to last season is that weak offensive line. Those guys were useless today!
>> The OLINE has called in sick for the year. they gave up after watching the defense get bounced around for the last 4 games. seasons over. Browns will beat the Raiders next week and then all we’ll be able to do is laugh.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
We need to add talent:
- DE
- CB
- NT/ DT
- LB
- S
- OL
- RB
- WR
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
true Beach
Veldeheer has regressed.
Wiz regressing as a center, seems he should stay at G.
All of our RTs are other team’s trash cuts.
Briesel looked much better in Houston.
They look confused by simple stunts.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Hue was put in a position he didn’t even ask for as having to play GM due to the death of the owner, and what coach wouldn’t want the best QB available to help get him to the playoffs after his starter went down?
Do u think Hue Jackson did that trade w/o approval from Mark Davis or other Raider brass? He couldn’t have.
Nobody argues that Palmer wasn’t the best available at the time. The criticism came becuz how much we gave up for him; a decision that was approved of by Raider brass.
Hue did not come to Oakland to be GM…he was made defacto GM by Al’s passing. Hue was the HC.
^^^^^^^^^
I have brought this up so many times and even the Hue haters can’t say about this one.
They know they are wrong.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
lol preach it Raider O. We really have a terrible roster.
That’s why we were blown out last year by legit teams like the Packers, Broncos, Dolphins, Chiefs, and Patriots.
We just happened to not play them all in the same 5 weeks like we did this week with Saints, Falcons, Ravens, and Bengals. That’s 4 playoff teams.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
true Beach
Veldeheer has regressed.
Wiz regressing as a center, seems he should stay at G.
All of our RTs are other team’s trash cuts.
Briesel looked much better in Houston.
They look confused by simple stunts.
^^^^^^^^
All on the OC Knapp and OLine coach Pollack by being crappy coaches.
Dennis Allen made a stubborn and foolish mistake by not keeping Wylie and Wiz as OLine coaches and not keeping Saunders as the OC.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
worse trades than the Palmer trade:
Eagles trade for Kolb (1st and 2nd round talent)
Broncos trading for Tebow draft spot (1st, 3rd, and 5th rounders used).
Redskins trading for McNabb (high 2nd rounder, didn’t last one season).
And that’s just in the last 4 years.
> what did the Eagles get for Kolb? Teblow took denver to the playoffs and division title, would have THIS year too. McNabb was a gamble but i can’t see that as being worse than giving up a 1st and 2nd round pick for a ‘retired” QB in the middle of the season. it was a short bus trade and I’ll never think otherwise.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
We faced like 7 playoff teams already that’s like 3 more than we faced last year all together
November 25th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
We need to demonize a first yr. HC who dared to lose 4 of his last 5 games en route to a .500 record but be “understanding” and “patient” to another HC who leads us to an unprecedented THREE STRAIGHT record setting losses en route to 3-8?
November 25th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Hue WAS brought to Oakland to be groomed as HC/GM.
Al Davis groomed him while he was here. This is a documented fact that Hue has talked about – how Davis was showing him the ropes on the business/GM side.
You know Al wasn’t leaving it in Mark’s hands if he could help it. He was grooming Hue which is why Hue had the confidence to power-trip at that season-finale presser.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
for the rational people,
this was a 3-year project from the beginning.
- Get rid of terrible contracts. (Check)
- Keep and wisely use draft picks (finally an almost full draft this April.)
- Have coaching continuity to develop consistency by year 3. (in process)
By year 3 of this regime, we’ll have a bunch of team-first guys like Burris/Houston/Huff/Reece/Wheeler surrounded by legit talent. Just takes draft picks and a few FA cycles.
——————————————————-
Do you really think we should keep Knapp for “consistency”?
November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
DJ
what’s the point of your hyperbole? Makes arguing pointless if you’re going that sarcastic route.
We’re losing to playoff teams this year.
We also lost to/got blown out by playoff teams last year, but we had more talent last year.
We shredded many of the “top” players from our roster this off-season.
Nothing out of the ordinary is happening here. We lost to 4 playoff teams in the last 5 weeks.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
All Offensive side coaches should be cut and special teams, only D side coaches should be retained
November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced
> you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Raiders went into the off season needing a good def.cord. But instead they ran this team into the ditch. Why? It is just plain unimaginable how supremely they funked it up. It’s like maybe they are stoned on some bud or somethin. They really drop kicked a grand opportunity. And missed it because they were to high on hashish or something. DA and Reggie and Knapp make the three stooges look like diplomats. Sad day in Raiderland. It’s got me wonderin where is Waldo.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Maybe Mark Davis is an idiot and a pantywaist. bad combination
November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced
> you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.
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Yeah i know, watch the replies will be but we were scoring 22 PPG , but Hue was here, but this or but that
November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
lol Car Wash Dude
Raiders went into the off-season needing:
Linebackers
Cornerbacks (ours were/are terrible)
safeties (Gio starting is a sad sad thing)
Defensive Ends (we have no one that is a 7-sack threat)
Wide Receivers (ZERO 1,000 yard receivers last few years)
Don’t kid yourself. We were not one little coach away from turning this defense around.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Its really a shame that this org took a respectable Offense and shredded it to fit a system. We might have been able to bring our Defense slowly up to the level of the offense. But now the offense has CLEARLY taken a step backward and the Defense is playing as lowly as ever.
P.S. For all his detractors, at least Michael Bush actually PLAYS for the money he gets.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Car Wash Dude Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Raiders went into the off season needing a good def.cord. But instead they ran this team into the ditch. Why? It is just plain unimaginable how supremely they funked it up. It’s like maybe they are stoned on some bud or somethin. They really drop kicked a grand opportunity. And missed it because they were to high on hashish or something. DA and Reggie and Knapp make the three stooges look like diplomats. Sad day in Raiderland. It’s got me wonderin where is Waldo.
>> Raiders were NOT GOOD last year either man. they were average last year and got walloped by every good team they played. This team was never “close” to anything. Green bay and NE handed the raiders asses to them last year. this the the broncos division and raiders can’t change that fact
November 25th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
lol Car Wash Dude
Raiders went into the off-season needing:
Linebackers
Cornerbacks (ours were/are terrible)
safeties (Gio starting is a sad sad thing)
Defensive Ends (we have no one that is a 7-sack threat)
Wide Receivers (ZERO 1,000 yard receivers last few years)
Don’t kid yourself. We were not one little coach away from turning this defense around.
—-
Thank you, these guys are too blinded by fluke season or they think we’re in love with these head coaches or something even if we agree with them that knapp was a downgrade
November 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
true McFadden
2010 saw us play a TERRIBLE NFC West
2011 gave us Cutler-less Bears, Browns, and weak Broncos/Chiefs.
2012 gave us Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Manning (twice), playoff Bengals and Ravens.
Ouch.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
- Shaughnessy is not a RDE, and he is a better fit at LDE. I like B Jenkins (if he declares)
- Houston needs to play DT (not LDE), but we need to add a NT to help him and Bryant. I like J Hankins from The OSU.
- we need a CB (I like Xavier Rhodes and Leon McFadden).
- Huff can play FS/ CB, and I think he should cover athletic TEs like he did when he was our SS, but we need a guy to play S when Huff plays CB. We need a playmaker.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
raidertalk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Its really a shame that this org took a respectable Offense and shredded it to fit a system. We might have been able to bring our Defense slowly up to the level of the offense. But now the offense has CLEARLY taken a step backward and the Defense is playing as lowly as ever.
P.S. For all his detractors, at least Michael Bush actually PLAYS for the money he get
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My man O wasn’t all that , and it can get back to relevancy with a new OC, but we still need #1 WR, a solid TE, and new right side of OL
November 25th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
No coaches fired yet or players cut yet?
Wtf!?!?!?
November 25th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced
> you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.
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Yeah i know, watch the replies will be but we were scoring 22 PPG , but Hue was here, but this or but that
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Look I agree that Hue was not the answer, nor could he be, but last year’s offense had us IN games and our D pissed MANY of our leads away (see Det. Buffalo, SD).
You must admit that our offense has taken a step back, despite garbage-time stats.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Just like in 2010 when we thought we were kinda decent, went to Pittsburgh and just like I predicted we were embarrassed when facing a real team.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
true McFadden
2010 saw us play a TERRIBLE NFC West
2011 gave us Cutler-less Bears, Browns, and weak Broncos/Chiefs.
2012 gave us Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Manning (twice), playoff Bengals and Ravens.
Ouch.
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Finally some one gets it
November 25th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
true McFadden
2010 saw us play a TERRIBLE NFC West
2011 gave us Cutler-less Bears, Browns, and weak Broncos/Chiefs.
2012 gave us Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Manning (twice), playoff Bengals and Ravens.
Ouch.
>> well maybe THIS team is as good as the 2010,11 teams just that its only showing NOW because we have a tough schedule. I think this team was bad in 10 and 11,but had some cupcake teams on their schedule.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Raidertalk
NO DOUBT that our O has taken a step back. I pin this on the new scheme, the Ford injury, the MUCH tougher schedule, and our huge hole at RT.
We all agree that Knapp shouldn’t be back next year.
Just saying Reggie and DA are on a 3-year plan and it will take about that long to put legit talent on this roster.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Alex,
You were right. This is a 5-11 team (if we get lucky and win 2 more games).
November 25th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
raidertalk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced
> you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.
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Yeah i know, watch the replies will be but we were scoring 22 PPG , but Hue was here, but this or but that
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Look I agree that Hue was not the answer, nor could he be, but last year’s offense had us IN games and our D pissed MANY of our leads away (see Det. Buffalo, SD).
You must admit that our offense has taken a step back, despite garbage-time stats.
> has the offense REALLY taken a step back OR are the raiders just Playing better TEAMS this year? i vote for the Latter man. the real raiders have stood up. they aren’t who we thought they were. Dmac never dominated any good teams. he was held down by every good team he’s faced. we bought the hype. Raiders were average and not anywhere near elite or even good
November 25th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
raidertalk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced
> you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.
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Yeah i know, watch the replies will be but we were scoring 22 PPG , but Hue was here, but this or but that
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Look I agree that Hue was not the answer, nor could he be, but last year’s offense had us IN games and our D pissed MANY of our leads away (see Det. Buffalo, SD).
You must admit that our offense has taken a step back, despite garbage-time stats.
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I admit O has taken a step back, but lets not get too ahead of ours selves, we weren’t going to score 30+ points a game to mask our deficiencies on D side, yeah i know last year had us 8 wins, but just look at the schedule, only reason we won those games , were cuz we didn’t face many top passing O’s in those games,
November 25th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
I have zero doubt that Reggie can increase our talent here in the next two seasons.
The main issue will be WHO is playing QB once we have that solid talent level in 2014.
Most terrible teams get to develop together with a new QB (Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Lions, Rams).
It’s rare that a terrible team like us has no young QB to develop along with the rest of the team so they can flourish together soon.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
raidertalk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Its really a shame that this org took a respectable Offense and shredded it to fit a system. We might have been able to bring our Defense slowly up to the level of the offense. But now the offense has CLEARLY taken a step backward and the Defense is playing as lowly as ever.
P.S. For all his detractors, at least Michael Bush actually PLAYS for the money he get
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My man O wasn’t all that , and it can get back to relevancy with a new OC, but we still need #1 WR, a solid TE, and new right side of OL
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I hope you’re right about the O, hopefully the search has already began for a new OC. Funny, almost every blogger in here could see that Knapp would not work, from a mile away and BEFORE preseason.
The Lil Wiz Center experiment has also failed. We should pick up a FA or draft Center and move him back to LG, he seemed to man that spot pretty well last year.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Just like in 2010 when we thought we were kinda decent, went to Pittsburgh and just like I predicted we were embarrassed when facing a real team.
> 2-8 outside the cupcake Afc west that year. first team since 1970 merger to go undefeated in the division and not WIN the division or make playoffs. Raiders were never “close”.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
true McFadden
2010 saw us play a TERRIBLE NFC West
2011 gave us Cutler-less Bears, Browns, and weak Broncos/Chiefs.
2012 gave us Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Manning (twice), playoff Bengals and Ravens.
Ouch.
>> well maybe THIS team is as good as the 2010,11 teams just that its only showing NOW because we have a tough schedule. I think this team was bad in 10 and 11,but had some cupcake teams on their schedule.
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We have faced top passing attack game after game this year, yes we were close in some of defeats last year but only couple of teams we beat had top 15 O’s lol
November 25th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
I have zero doubt that Reggie can increase our talent here in the next two seasons.
The main issue will be WHO is playing QB once we have that solid talent level in 2014.
Most terrible teams get to develop together with a new QB (Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Lions, Rams).
It’s rare that a terrible team like us has no young QB to develop along with the rest of the team so they can flourish together soon.
>. well raiders will use their 3rd overall pick on a QB then. who will it be?
November 25th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
raidertalk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
raidertalk Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Its really a shame that this org took a respectable Offense and shredded it to fit a system. We might have been able to bring our Defense slowly up to the level of the offense. But now the offense has CLEARLY taken a step backward and the Defense is playing as lowly as ever.
P.S. For all his detractors, at least Michael Bush actually PLAYS for the money he get
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My man O wasn’t all that , and it can get back to relevancy with a new OC, but we still need #1 WR, a solid TE, and new right side of OL
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I hope you’re right about the O, hopefully the search has already began for a new OC. Funny, almost every blogger in here could see that Knapp would not work, from a mile away and BEFORE preseason.
The Lil Wiz Center experiment has also failed. We should pick up a FA or draft Center and move him back to LG, he seemed to man that spot pretty well last year.
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The reason i can make of that was , DA wanted to go ZBS and had nobody else available, hopefully he can hire someone better to coach it next year, but still we need #1 receiver, better solid TE, better right side of OL
November 25th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
There is no reason to give up on Palmer even if he has not led to playoffs, you can’t compare him to P Mannings and Bradys of the world, none of them have Ds as horrible as ours, their receivers, Offensive play callers and coaches are all better than what we have in here
November 25th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
DKnight007 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
true Beach
Veldeheer has regressed.
Wiz regressing as a center, seems he should stay at G.
All of our RTs are other team’s trash cuts.
Briesel looked much better in Houston.
They look confused by simple stunts.
^^^^^^^^
All on the OC Knapp and OLine coach Pollack by being crappy coaches.
Dennis Allen made a stubborn and foolish mistake by not keeping Wylie and Wiz as OLine coaches and not keeping Saunders as the OC.
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All true & right on point. DOA screwed this up royally. should have left the offense as it was and focused on the D & ST. Knapp has proven that his earlier firing here in Oakland was not a mistake. Knapp is an EPIC FAIL.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
There is no reason to give up on Palmer even if he has not led to playoffs, you can’t compare him to P Mannings and Bradys of the world, none of them have Ds as horrible as ours, their receivers, Offensive play callers and coaches are all better than what we have in here
>> Raiders need to rebuild. Most teams start by drafting the best QB available and it works. Colts are going to the playoffs 1 year after going 2-14. Palmer isn’t the problem but he can’t solve it either.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Carson is the worst raiders trade bust of all time. We have flamed out in orange & black stripes & are drowning on Carson’s apologist tears.
The raiders are a pathetic 7-14 under Carson’s watch he has lost twice smas many as he had won!! 35 turnovers is pathetic.
Today he proved nothing more than Dalton’s pin cushion & mike brown owned him today & forever!!
He had his routine trmpertantrum threw bone heade picks & near picks fumbled the game away in pure bungles fashion.
When will the impostors admit that Palmer is a failure in Oakland.
In his ultimate & final legacy game he turned in a signature flag ship flop for the ages.
Carson revenge turned into validation for mike brown laughing Palmer out of his office & letting him quit
November 25th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Carson is the worst raiders trade bust of all time. We have flamed out in orange & black stripes & are drowning on Carson’s apologist tears.
The raiders are a pathetic 7-14 under Carson’s watch he has lost twice smas many as he had won!! 35 turnovers is pathetic.
Today he proved nothing more than Dalton’s pin cushion & mike brown owned him today & forever!!
He had his routine trmpertantrum threw bone heade picks & near picks fumbled the game away in pure bungles fashion.
When will the impostors admit that Palmer is a failure in Oakland.
In his ultimate & final legacy game he turned in a signature flag ship flop for the ages.
Carson revenge turned into validation for mike brown laughing Palmer out of his office & letting him quit
>> aww come on you just want a Black QB, just admit it. yes the Palmer trade was stupid, but Palmer isn’t the problem with this team.just look at whats around him.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Man
I just don’t know that Palmer will be even average by 2014. This year, sure, next year, good enough to win 8-9 games if team is solid.
But by 2014 he’s turning 35.
Take a shot on Geno Smith or draft best D player available? Smith’s D has let him down too, but the man has a CANNON with accuracy at only age 20.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
manassamauler Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
There is no reason to give up on Palmer even if he has not led to playoffs, you can’t compare him to P Mannings and Bradys of the world, none of them have Ds as horrible as ours, their receivers, Offensive play callers and coaches are all better than what we have in here
>> Raiders need to rebuild. Most teams start by drafting the best QB available and it works. Colts are going to the playoffs 1 year after going 2-14. Palmer isn’t the problem but he can’t solve it either.
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you know we have been on the same page for most of the time , but i will have to disagree with you on this one , colts weren’t that bad last year, it’s just that they were built on passing and after Manning got injured they were screwed cuz they had nobody behind him , and they didn’t even try to do anything about it cuz they knew one of the best Qb prospects in a while were going to available in draft, so they just totally stuck with that horrible QB and let it roll out to secure a #1 pick , don’t forget they had all of the draft, and salary cap money to bring in solid FA’s
November 25th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
make that 2 of the best qb prospects **&&&^^^
November 25th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Mistic wants Aaron Brooks back
I think he still pines for Troy Smith too.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
I think the best strategy is to Draft a solid DT with the first pick, preferably the Georgia DT at 350 plus to fill the HUGE gap that we now have at DT.
Get some O-line help in 2nd (if we can get 2 rounder)or 3rd, at the Center position
latter rounds Draft/FA Corner Back, and LB depth.
I think that Drafting Te’o would ruin him and not help our team.
1) We do not run 3-4 nor do we have the personnel to
2) Our lack of Stout DTs would expose him to too many O linemen and render him ineffectual too early in his career.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Man
I just don’t know that Palmer will be even average by 2014. This year, sure, next year, good enough to win 8-9 games if team is solid.
But by 2014 he’s turning 35.
Take a shot on Geno Smith or draft best D player available? Smith’s D has let him down too, but the man has a CANNON with accuracy at only age 20.
— Last year had Luck and Griffin, these guys are no where close to him , plus you think these guys would make a different with these wide receivers this OL, this play caller, C’mon man P manning is 4 years older than CP and still going , so is Brady, A ROD, P RIVERS, E Manning are all about same age as Palmer , he can def give 3-4 more good years, we def need to give him better support though
November 25th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
7-14 with 35 turnovers stinks regardless of skin color.
Carson is flat out awful, he is neutered by his bone headed turn overs.
The team rolls their eyes while he is yelling or giving laughably uninspiring half time speeches.
No qb on earth would get a pass here for what Palmer has posted.
Most of his worshipers no don’t post at all they lurk instead , as they have been exposed for their folly
November 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Alex and mc20 you guys aren’t doing anything but making excuses to give credit to Da and take credit from hue. . Truth is there are no easy games in the nfl because each player is a professional and is the best at their craft or else they wouldn’t be in the league. Just how the bears had injuries to star players the raiders had injuries to star players last year but hue found a way to win. A win is a win, give credit where credit is due hue won those games no matter who it was against he brought home the W and you cant tak that away from him. Like it or not DA’s lost and he’s lost big which is why fans are calling for his head. He hasn’t earned any cred for any to be given. Fact is the O is a failure because his choice in OC was a mistake, the D’s a failure and he’s in charge of that, you say we lack talent but half the roster is hisw guys that he hand picked where just 3 have been productive (phillip wheeler, miles burris, mike goodson). 27 out of 53 players are his guys, hes failed in choice of scheme, choice of staff, and choice of personnel. This is not the same team as last year and the results and numbers say hues raiders were better and thats just facts.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Main problem with this team is the Pass rush, the only way we even get to QB’s is with blitzes, and you know that you can’t stop O’s by blitzing all day, you need natural pressure most of the times, draft a stud DE, or stud OLB if we switch to 3-4
November 25th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Defense has sunk to uncharted depth.
Offense is putting up less points each week.
The play is bad my friends. If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a hundred times. The sea was angry that day. We have a situation where draft picks and FAs’ won’t be enough. The wrath of an angry storm is worse than that of a woman scorned. DA has to be beside hisself in bewilderment and shock. His head has to be spinning like a fierce and out of control tornado. And do not forget about Reggie. The dude has to be on fire. The sun darkens and noise from beyond the gates of hell are begging for Raider destruction. Only a good man, say Gruden if you please, can bring this franchise out of the bottom to which it has sunk. If he won’t, then we are forever doomed to be list at sea drifting aimlessly. It is the utmost hopeless feeling of despair you would not even wish upon your worst enemy. A collapse is imminent. A good man is needed. The fate lies beyond our comprehensive ability. Repent and do the right thing.
November 25th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Raiders might have their choice of:
Manti Te’o, LB, Notre Dame
Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
Jarvis Jones, OLB/DE, Georgia
Keenan Allen, WR, California
November 25th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Lol you don’t have to have a rookie qb as good as RGIII
Just get a guy that will be good, if tp 6 is t the guy.
RGIII is a once in a lifetime talent
If you waited to draft a qb that good you would be waiting for 10 years
November 26th, 2012 at 12:00 am
also likely the Raiders trade down with the Jets or Bills if those teams want to grab either Geno or Barkley.
Might get Oakland that 2nd round pick back.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:00 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Man
I just don’t know that Palmer will be even average by 2014. This year, sure, next year, good enough to win 8-9 games if team is solid.
But by 2014 he’s turning 35.
Take a shot on Geno Smith or draft best D player available? Smith’s D has let him down too, but the man has a CANNON with accuracy at only age 20.
— Last year had Luck and Griffin, these guys are no where close to him , plus you think these guys would make a different with these wide receivers this OL, this play caller, C’mon man P manning is 4 years older than CP and still going , so is Brady, A ROD, P RIVERS, E Manning are all about same age as Palmer , he can def give 3-4 more good years, we def need to give him better support though
>> manning has never been hit like Palmer has been this year. palmer will be out of football in 2 years. he’s lucky hes 6 5″ 240 otherwise he’d be in a hospital right now. Raiders need a pass rush and an Oline that can block once in a while. If they can fix the OLINE somehow then maybe palmer can go for 4 more years. they better draft OL in the first round of the want to keep palmer, if not draft QB or DE/OLB
November 26th, 2012 at 12:00 am
The Mack Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Alex and mc20 you guys aren’t doing anything but making excuses to give credit to Da and take credit from hue. . Truth is there are no easy games in the nfl because each player is a professional and is the best at their craft or else they wouldn’t be in the league. Just how the bears had injuries to star players the raiders had injuries to star players last year but hue found a way to win. A win is a win, give credit where credit is due hue won those games no matter who it was against he brought home the W and you cant tak that away from him. Like it or not DA’s lost and he’s lost big which is why fans are calling for his head. He hasn’t earned any cred for any to be given. Fact is the O is a failure because his choice in OC was a mistake, the D’s a failure and he’s in charge of that, you say we lack talent but half the roster is hisw guys that he hand picked where just 3 have been productive (phillip wheeler, miles burris, mike goodson). 27 out of 53 players are his guys, hes failed in choice of scheme, choice of staff, and choice of personnel. This is not the same team as last year and the results and numbers say hues raiders were better and thats just facts.
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Look don’t downplay the effect of us playing against good teams does to this team, we have not beaten good teams since 02, this team is good enough to beat last years teams we faced too, judging by going 2 outta 3 against likes of Miami, Jax and KC, we got crushed against top passing O’s GB and NE, heck we couldn’t stop SD when they were healthy when the game was on the line, i know Hue was better at calling plays and stuff, but why are you ignoring the facts that most of our wins came against weak teams , and that even if Hue was here we ain’t putting up 30 plus points to mask our D’s Deficiencies
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November 26th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Lol Mac 20 your instant upgrade isn’t even instant oatmeal.
Palmer is a loser & dog that couldn’t attract fleas
November 26th, 2012 at 12:03 am
manassamauler Says:
November 26th, 2012 at 12:00 am
mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
alex7 Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Man
I just don’t know that Palmer will be even average by 2014. This year, sure, next year, good enough to win 8-9 games if team is solid.
But by 2014 he’s turning 35.
Take a shot on Geno Smith or draft best D player available? Smith’s D has let him down too, but the man has a CANNON with accuracy at only age 20.
— Last year had Luck and Griffin, these guys are no where close to him , plus you think these guys would make a different with these wide receivers this OL, this play caller, C’mon man P manning is 4 years older than CP and still going , so is Brady, A ROD, P RIVERS, E Manning are all about same age as Palmer , he can def give 3-4 more good years, we def need to give him better support though
>> manning has never been hit like Palmer has been this year. palmer will be out of football in 2 years. he’s lucky hes 6 5″ 240 otherwise he’d be in a hospital right now. Raiders need a pass rush and an Oline that can block once in a while. If they can fix the OLINE somehow then maybe palmer can go for 4 more years. they better draft OL in the first round of the want to keep palmer, if not draft QB or DE/OLB
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Oline play is more of a product of coaching, we don’t need ultra talented definite first rd picks on O line , we can def improve on some spots , but it doesn’t necessarily need a 1st rd guy, now WR is another thing, we need a #1 WR, D line is another thing, we need highly talented pass rusher, coaching can only do so much at those positions
November 26th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Alex and mc20 you guys aren’t doing anything but making excuses to give credit to Da and take credit from hue. . Truth is there are no easy games in the nfl because each player is a professional and is the best at their craft or else they wouldn’t be in the league. Just how the bears had injuries to star players the raiders had injuries to star players last year but hue found a way to win. A win is a win, give credit where credit is due hue won those games no matter who it was against he brought home the W and you cant tak that away from him. Like it or not DA’s lost and he’s lost big which is why fans are calling for his head. He hasn’t earned any cred for any to be given. Fact is the O is a failure because his choice in OC was a mistake, the D’s a failure and he’s in charge of that, you say we lack talent but half the roster is hisw guys that he hand picked where just 3 have been productive (phillip wheeler, miles burris, mike goodson). 27 out of 53 players are his guys, hes failed in choice of scheme, choice of staff, and choice of personnel. This is not the same team as last year and the results and numbers say hues raiders were better and thats just facts.
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BAZINGA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YA2iJ4ZcUo
November 26th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Mack
Reggie has picked many of our current players, as you mentioned.
Please remember that Reggie had no 1st or 2nd round pick and no real FA money.
That means Reggie was picking up guys from the undrafted rookie pile, the “cut by another NFL team” pile, and off other teams’ practice squad.
You’ll be hard-pressed to find ANY starters from those piles, yet Reggie has found a few.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 26th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Lol Mac 20 your instant upgrade isn’t even instant oatmeal.
Palmer is a loser & dog that couldn’t attract fleas
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How was Russell today? will Cam newton beat horrible philly tomorrow?
November 26th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Besides Briesel we didn’t really make many moves, we got guys other teams didn’t wanted
November 26th, 2012 at 12:07 am
And Mack
“A win is a win” is just some saying.
Who you play and when you play them definitely matters. Look at the Bears between last week and this week.
We had many cupcake games the last two years (based on our historic losing streak prior to that) and suddenly we play the best divisions in football (NFC SOUTH and NORTH) this year.
Yeah, it matters.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Raiders can draft OLINE,fire Knapp, install vertical offense with Palmer and use Reese as the Franchise RB for years to come. raiders did find a true Franchise Back IMO. Reese is a bright spot. the ONE great RM signing.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Reggie was trying to go Billy Bean route while signing , players like Bartell, Spencer both were good at one time , Wheeler , Hanson, Lee
November 26th, 2012 at 12:07 am
New post
November 26th, 2012 at 12:07 am
whoops, meant NFC South and AFC North.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:08 am
I just don’t know how this team went into ATL and played them so well. game of the year for the Raiders and it was a LOSS.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I knew that Palmer would lead ur to massive failure. Max 20, aig, jfb, jb, ghost, Alex,sully,dj Johnny, lofty, lefty , bay2la, raider Dave, gradkowski raiser , Kirk, & million others screamed instant upgrade.
Well is 7-14 & 35 turnovers an upgrade?!?!?
If you think so then upgrade your own mind & football acumen
November 26th, 2012 at 12:10 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
November 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Main problem with this team is the Pass rush, the only way we even get to QB’s is with blitzes, and you know that you can’t stop O’s by blitzing all day, you need natural pressure most of the times, draft a stud DE, or stud OLB if we switch to 3-4
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We can’t switch to 3-4 right now because we have DT capable of playing NT. I think DT is the position of need on this team. Our current DTs are undersized and aging (see Seymore’s lingering injuries).
If we get a big run stopper our LBs can get freed-up to make more plays.
Our Defense starting improving with the play of Burris and Wheeler after the bye. However, the turning point for this Defensive squad came when little Doug Martin of the Bucs ran through holes on our Dline and put up a 250 yards. Burris and Wheeler WERE IN POSITION but were so worn out by lack of “bigs” in the front that the tackling started to wear down.
Improvement in the DT position will free the LBs up to do more damage overall.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:11 am
You guys kill me, its the recievers fault, its Dmac fault, its carson, its kelly, its branch,blah blah blah. You mean to tell me every player on this team is struggling whether its offense or defense they’ve all just mysteriously forgotten how to play at the same time even though they were just fine the previous year after some players were even in the conversation for pro bowl considerations. 1 or 2 players lagging off ok but the whole dam team dropping off in unison? ?? There’s a common denominator folks and thats coaching. Point blank! Plain and simple.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:13 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
November 26th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I knew that Palmer would lead ur to massive failure. Max 20, aig, jfb, jb, ghost, Alex,sully,dj Johnny, lofty, lefty , bay2la, raider Dave, gradkowski raiser , Kirk, & million others screamed instant upgrade.
Well is 7-14 & 35 turnovers an upgrade?!?!?
If you think so then upgrade your own mind & football acumen
>> Palmer has played better this season. and did you SEE campbell against the fruity niners? campbell should have NEVER even been a starter. dude sucks. thats a FACT. JC got to play against cupcake teams and a historically bad AFC west. Palmer has faced FAR BETTER teams. you’re blind man.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:16 am
The Mack Says:
November 26th, 2012 at 12:11 am
You guys kill me, its the recievers fault, its Dmac fault, its carson, its kelly, its branch,blah blah blah. You mean to tell me every player on this team is struggling whether its offense or defense they’ve all just mysteriously forgotten how to play at the same time even though they were just fine the previous year after some players were even in the conversation for pro bowl considerations. 1 or 2 players lagging off ok but the whole dam team dropping off in unison? ?? There’s a common denominator folks and thats coaching. Point blank! Plain and simple.
>> i see your point BUT just look at the teams the Raiders are playing this year and compare to 2010 and 11. you’ll see that this team was never any good. raiders got smoked by every top team they played in 2010 and 11, look at it. This year the raiders are actually playing against tough opponents with real QBS and are getting smoked. raiders were NOtgood in 2010 and 11,just had an easier schedule.
November 26th, 2012 at 12:51 am
Reggie Mc and the Raiders helped Denver win the division. Taking Denise Allen killed the Raiders while allowing Denver the opportunity to upgrade the DC position thus strengthen its defense.
November 26th, 2012 at 3:17 am
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