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Final: Bengals 34, Raiders 10

The Raiders need a better team or an alarm clock.

The Cincinnati Bengals spoiled the homecoming of quarterback Carson Palmer Sunday, winning 34-10 at Paul Brown Stadium after taking a 24-0 lead at halftime.

It was the ninth straight loss for the Raiders in the eastern time zone, dating back to a 27-24 win in Pittsburgh on Dec. 6, 2009.

The Raiders, 3-8, actually threatened to make a game of it for a brief time in the fourth quarter, but a strip-sack fumble of Palmer led to a Bengals field goal and an “inadvertent whistle’’ erased a potential touchdown return of a fumble by Tyvon Branch.

Cincinnati, 6-5, piled up 289 yards of offense in the first half and had a 1-yard touchdown run by BenJarvis Green-Ellis, touchdown passes of 2 and 5 yards from Andy Dalton to Mohamed Sanu and a 55-yard field goal by Mike Nugent.

Green-Ellis rushed for 129 yards on 19 carries for the Bengals, including runs of 48 and 39 yards.

Palmer had trouble getting the ball downfield against the Bengals defense, completing 19 of 34 passes for 146 yards, a 20-yard touchdown pass to Denarius Moore and an interception. He received boos every time he took the field, having left the team after the 2010 season and demanding a trade.

Things got mildly interesting in the third quarter, during which the Raiders had been outscored 123-34 coming in to the game.

Instead, the Raiders got a 55-yard field goal by Sebastian Janikowski and the 20-yard touchdown pass from Palmer to Moore to get within 24-10.

The Raiders then got good field position at their own 44 after forcing a Cincinnati punt, with the possibility of getting within 24-17 early in the fourth quarter.

The Bengals reasserted themselves at that point, with Manny Lawson getting around rookie Tony Bergstrom for a strip sack of Palmer that was recovered by Cincinnati.

It led to a 20-yard field goal by Nugent, only after the Raiders tightened at the 1-yard line following a 39-yard run by Green-Ellis for a first and goal.

Later, Raiders cornerback Joselio Hanson appeared to flip a Sanu fumble back in bounds where it was picked up by Branch, who ran into the end zone while the Bengals stood and watched.

The ruling was an inadvertent whistle, with Cincinnati getting the ball back. The game degerated into a scrum midway through the quarter with Andrew Whitworth getting tossed along with Lamarr Houston and Tommy Kelly of Oakland.

Whitworth was the instigator, going after Houston when the Raiders defensive end hit Dalton following a false start.

Former Raiders coach Hue Jackson was on the field helping to play peacemaker.

After order was restored, Cincinnati finished a 12-play, 84-yard drive with a 7-yard pass from Dalton to Jermaine Gresham to remove all doubt.

The Raiders return for consecutive home games against Cleveland, Denver and Kansas City.

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  • alex7

    Mcfadden

    Desmond Bryant can play a decent NT until we find a true bull for that spot.

    He was constantly getting double-teamed today while Kelly was handled with single-blocking.

    Both DA and Reggie come from 3-4 teams so I’m sure it’s in the plans.

  • mcfadden20.

    We need guys who hate to lose, I know Houston, Bryant, maybe Burris and wheeler are the only guys who freaking let this thing get to them, others are just happy when they collect their checks on Monday mornings, Draft Boar Hunters, Manti Te’o should be the choice

  • DKnight007

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.

    DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.

    If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.

    Might need to hire an experienced DC also.

    >> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!

  • manassamauler

    Raiders need to draft a new defense, all 11 positions.

  • DKnight007

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    And Hue didn’t have Palmer for the full year and lost DMC half way through also and he had a crappy DC like Chuck B to try and work with.

    >> and what if Gruden was never traded to TB? and what if Madden wasn’t afraid of Flying and what if the Tuck never happened. gotta stop looking BACK and need to start looking ahead. I know you think Hue was the cool black dude that loved the Raiders but you gotta get over it, I’m sick of reading your Hue ball licking posts.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    I have been looking ahead…..been talking next years draft since week 1!

    Been saying Knapp should have NEVER been hired as OC, ever since he was hired!

    What else?

  • DJ Johnny

    Alex, We were down by 5 pt’s late in the 4th to SD until they broke our back with that 991/2 yd. drive to seal it.

    It was NOT a blowout.

  • alex7

    DKnight

    I told people in here for days in AUGUST that we were lucky to win 8 last year

    (Cutler-less Bears, fluky win vs Chiefs in OT, Tebow-less Broncos week 1)

    and that we’d lose more this year due to playing the Falcons, Bucs, Ravens, and Saints.

    It’s not surprising to most of us.

  • manassamauler

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.

    DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.

    If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.

    Might need to hire an experienced DC also.

    >> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!

    >> you’re drunk or out of your damn mind, either way. Hue made the dumbest fukin trade in recent memory, so swing away

  • MarcusAllen

    Bengals coach Lewis — “I think our guys had some emotions. It’s over now. It’s done, it’s over, I think everyone can move on. We are where we are and Carson is where he is.”

  • DKnight007

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.

    DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.

    If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.

    Might need to hire an experienced DC also.

    >> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!

    >> you’re drunk or out of your damn mind, either way. Hue made the dumbest fukin trade in recent memory, so swing away

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Hmm….you know what was dumber?

    Not sticking with the coach who made the trade and had us one game away from the playoffs have him work with the QB he traded for at least a FULL season under the same system.

    Ooops…Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie.

  • manassamauler

    Raiders should trade McFragile for a 5th round pick(thats what they’ll get for him) and send Branch and Mcclain to some sucker for a 2nd round pick. Branch is cool except for the fact that he never makes any plays. but he’s “solid”. RIIIIIIGGHTTTTT!!!

  • alex7

    for the rational people,

    this was a 3-year project from the beginning.

    - Get rid of terrible contracts. (Check)
    - Keep and wisely use draft picks (finally an almost full draft this April.)
    - Have coaching continuity to develop consistency by year 3. (in process)

    By year 3 of this regime, we’ll have a bunch of team-first guys like Burris/Houston/Huff/Reece/Wheeler surrounded by legit talent. Just takes draft picks and a few FA cycles.

  • alex7

    Man

    not sure how serious you are, but you might want to quickly research how winning teams are built around young veterans and not rookies.

    The Bucs tried to go insanely young last year and went 4-12. Brought in veterans like Vincent Jackson and Dallas Clark, kept veterans like Barber, and are winning.

    You don’t trade every decent vet for a draft pick and start a bunch of overwhelmed rookies.

  • manassamauler

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.

    DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.

    If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.

    Might need to hire an experienced DC also.

    >> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!

    >> you’re drunk or out of your damn mind, either way. Hue made the dumbest fukin trade in recent memory, so swing away

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Hmm….you know what was dumber?

    Not sticking with the coach who made the trade and had us one game away from the playoffs have him work with the QB he traded for at least a FULL season under the same system.

    Ooops…Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie.

    >. when 8-8 wins your division being “1 game away” from the playoffs isn’t an accomplishment. raiders won 8 games last year with a weaker division and an soft schedule, lets all be real here. This team has sucked the last 2 years, just not QUITE as bad and had an easier schedule.

  • DKnight007

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm

    for the rational people,

    this was a 3-year project from the beginning.

    - Get rid of terrible contracts. (Check)
    - Keep and wisely use draft picks (finally an almost full draft this April.)
    - Have coaching continuity to develop consistency by year 3. (in process)

    By year 3 of this regime, we’ll have a bunch of team-first guys like Burris/Houston/Huff/Reece/Wheeler surrounded by legit talent. Just takes draft picks and a few FA cycles.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Yup. 2 more years of bad football and HOPE they turn it around in year 3.

    Hope is the key word.

  • beach

    Come on, guys. It all starts with the defense. You can’t compete or be in a game when you give up over 40 a game, unless you have Tom Brady or a Manning at QB. Look at SF. They are going to a rookie QB because they have the defense that allows them to win with only 20 points a game.

  • DJ Johnny

    Hue was put in a position he didn’t even ask for as having to play GM due to the death of the owner, and what coach wouldn’t want the best QB available to help get him to the playoffs after his starter went down?

    Do u think Hue Jackson did that trade w/o approval from Mark Davis or other Raider brass? He couldn’t have.

    Nobody argues that Palmer wasn’t the best available at the time. The criticism came becuz how much we gave up for him; a decision that was approved of by Raider brass.

    Hue did not come to Oakland to be GM…he was made defacto GM by Al’s passing. Hue was the HC.

  • beach

    49ers today scored 17 on offense and 14 on defense. They have a defense while our team has not had any defense for 10 years! Dennis Allen is an idiot!

  • DKnight007

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:06 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:02 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:58 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:55 pm

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 10:51 pm

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 9:53 pm

    I just love reminding the fire Hue Jackson crazy people how WRONG they were.

    DA was a reach of a choice as head coach.

    If DA stays, then he better get rid of Knapp, Pollack and that crap ZBS system and get rid of Hoffman.

    Might need to hire an experienced DC also.

    >> how much longer will you swing from Hues nutsack? getting old man.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Better than swingin from Dennis Allen and Knapps nut sack thats’ for damn sure!

    >> you’re drunk or out of your damn mind, either way. Hue made the dumbest fukin trade in recent memory, so swing away

    ^^^^^^^^^
    Hmm….you know what was dumber?

    Not sticking with the coach who made the trade and had us one game away from the playoffs have him work with the QB he traded for at least a FULL season under the same system.

    Ooops…Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie.

    >. when 8-8 wins your division being “1 game away” from the playoffs isn’t an accomplishment. raiders won 8 games last year with a weaker division and an soft schedule, lets all be real here. This team has sucked the last 2 years, just not QUITE as bad and had an easier schedule.

    ^^^^^^^^
    Wow…sounds like you prefer ugly losing football ahead of exciting winning football?

    Jesus. I’m out.

  • alex7

    worse trades than the Palmer trade:

    Eagles trade for Kolb (1st and 2nd round talent)
    Broncos trading for Tebow draft spot (1st, 3rd, and 5th rounders used).
    Redskins trading for McNabb (high 2nd rounder, didn’t last one season).

    And that’s just in the last 4 years.

  • beach

    The biggest difference this season compared to last season is that weak offensive line. Those guys were useless today!

  • DKnight007

    I also didn’t like seeing this team have 3 different head coaches in 3 years when it wasn’t necessary.

  • alex7

    DKnight

    what was exciting about finishing 1-4 last year with blowout losses to the Dolphins and Packers?

  • manassamauler

    beach Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    The biggest difference this season compared to last season is that weak offensive line. Those guys were useless today!

    >> The OLINE has called in sick for the year. they gave up after watching the defense get bounced around for the last 4 games. seasons over. Browns will beat the Raiders next week and then all we’ll be able to do is laugh.

  • mcfadden20.

    Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    We need to add talent:
    - DE
    - CB
    - NT/ DT
    - LB
    - S
    - OL
    - RB
    - WR

  • alex7

    true Beach

    Veldeheer has regressed.
    Wiz regressing as a center, seems he should stay at G.
    All of our RTs are other team’s trash cuts.
    Briesel looked much better in Houston.

    They look confused by simple stunts.

  • DKnight007

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:08 pm

    Hue was put in a position he didn’t even ask for as having to play GM due to the death of the owner, and what coach wouldn’t want the best QB available to help get him to the playoffs after his starter went down?

    Do u think Hue Jackson did that trade w/o approval from Mark Davis or other Raider brass? He couldn’t have.

    Nobody argues that Palmer wasn’t the best available at the time. The criticism came becuz how much we gave up for him; a decision that was approved of by Raider brass.

    Hue did not come to Oakland to be GM…he was made defacto GM by Al’s passing. Hue was the HC.

    ^^^^^^^^^
    I have brought this up so many times and even the Hue haters can’t say about this one.

    They know they are wrong.

  • alex7

    lol preach it Raider O. We really have a terrible roster.

    That’s why we were blown out last year by legit teams like the Packers, Broncos, Dolphins, Chiefs, and Patriots.

    We just happened to not play them all in the same 5 weeks like we did this week with Saints, Falcons, Ravens, and Bengals. That’s 4 playoff teams.

  • DKnight007

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    true Beach

    Veldeheer has regressed.
    Wiz regressing as a center, seems he should stay at G.
    All of our RTs are other team’s trash cuts.
    Briesel looked much better in Houston.

    They look confused by simple stunts.

    ^^^^^^^^
    All on the OC Knapp and OLine coach Pollack by being crappy coaches.

    Dennis Allen made a stubborn and foolish mistake by not keeping Wylie and Wiz as OLine coaches and not keeping Saunders as the OC.

  • manassamauler

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:09 pm

    worse trades than the Palmer trade:

    Eagles trade for Kolb (1st and 2nd round talent)
    Broncos trading for Tebow draft spot (1st, 3rd, and 5th rounders used).
    Redskins trading for McNabb (high 2nd rounder, didn’t last one season).

    And that’s just in the last 4 years.

    > what did the Eagles get for Kolb? Teblow took denver to the playoffs and division title, would have THIS year too. McNabb was a gamble but i can’t see that as being worse than giving up a 1st and 2nd round pick for a ‘retired” QB in the middle of the season. it was a short bus trade and I’ll never think otherwise.

  • mcfadden20.

    We faced like 7 playoff teams already that’s like 3 more than we faced last year all together

  • DJ Johnny

    We need to demonize a first yr. HC who dared to lose 4 of his last 5 games en route to a .500 record but be “understanding” and “patient” to another HC who leads us to an unprecedented THREE STRAIGHT record setting losses en route to 3-8?

  • alex7

    Hue WAS brought to Oakland to be groomed as HC/GM.

    Al Davis groomed him while he was here. This is a documented fact that Hue has talked about – how Davis was showing him the ropes on the business/GM side.

    You know Al wasn’t leaving it in Mark’s hands if he could help it. He was grooming Hue which is why Hue had the confidence to power-trip at that season-finale presser.

  • raidertalk

    Alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
    for the rational people,

    this was a 3-year project from the beginning.

    - Get rid of terrible contracts. (Check)
    - Keep and wisely use draft picks (finally an almost full draft this April.)
    - Have coaching continuity to develop consistency by year 3. (in process)

    By year 3 of this regime, we’ll have a bunch of team-first guys like Burris/Houston/Huff/Reece/Wheeler surrounded by legit talent. Just takes draft picks and a few FA cycles.
    ——————————————————-
    Do you really think we should keep Knapp for “consistency”?

  • alex7

    DJ

    what’s the point of your hyperbole? Makes arguing pointless if you’re going that sarcastic route.

    We’re losing to playoff teams this year.
    We also lost to/got blown out by playoff teams last year, but we had more talent last year.

    We shredded many of the “top” players from our roster this off-season.

    Nothing out of the ordinary is happening here. We lost to 4 playoff teams in the last 5 weeks.

  • mcfadden20.

    All Offensive side coaches should be cut and special teams, only D side coaches should be retained

  • manassamauler

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced

    > you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.

  • Car Wash Dude

    Raiders went into the off season needing a good def.cord. But instead they ran this team into the ditch. Why? It is just plain unimaginable how supremely they funked it up. It’s like maybe they are stoned on some bud or somethin. They really drop kicked a grand opportunity. And missed it because they were to high on hashish or something. DA and Reggie and Knapp make the three stooges look like diplomats. Sad day in Raiderland. It’s got me wonderin where is Waldo.

  • manassamauler

    Maybe Mark Davis is an idiot and a pantywaist. bad combination

  • mcfadden20.

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced

    > you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.

    Yeah i know, watch the replies will be but we were scoring 22 PPG , but Hue was here, but this or but that

  • alex7

    lol Car Wash Dude

    Raiders went into the off-season needing:

    Linebackers
    Cornerbacks (ours were/are terrible)
    safeties (Gio starting is a sad sad thing)
    Defensive Ends (we have no one that is a 7-sack threat)
    Wide Receivers (ZERO 1,000 yard receivers last few years)

    Don’t kid yourself. We were not one little coach away from turning this defense around.

  • raidertalk

    Its really a shame that this org took a respectable Offense and shredded it to fit a system. We might have been able to bring our Defense slowly up to the level of the offense. But now the offense has CLEARLY taken a step backward and the Defense is playing as lowly as ever.

    P.S. For all his detractors, at least Michael Bush actually PLAYS for the money he gets.

  • manassamauler

    Car Wash Dude Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:20 pm

    Raiders went into the off season needing a good def.cord. But instead they ran this team into the ditch. Why? It is just plain unimaginable how supremely they funked it up. It’s like maybe they are stoned on some bud or somethin. They really drop kicked a grand opportunity. And missed it because they were to high on hashish or something. DA and Reggie and Knapp make the three stooges look like diplomats. Sad day in Raiderland. It’s got me wonderin where is Waldo.

    >> Raiders were NOT GOOD last year either man. they were average last year and got walloped by every good team they played. This team was never “close” to anything. Green bay and NE handed the raiders asses to them last year. this the the broncos division and raiders can’t change that fact

  • mcfadden20.

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm

    lol Car Wash Dude

    Raiders went into the off-season needing:

    Linebackers
    Cornerbacks (ours were/are terrible)
    safeties (Gio starting is a sad sad thing)
    Defensive Ends (we have no one that is a 7-sack threat)
    Wide Receivers (ZERO 1,000 yard receivers last few years)

    Don’t kid yourself. We were not one little coach away from turning this defense around.

    —-

    Thank you, these guys are too blinded by fluke season or they think we’re in love with these head coaches or something even if we agree with them that knapp was a downgrade

  • alex7

    true McFadden

    2010 saw us play a TERRIBLE NFC West
    2011 gave us Cutler-less Bears, Browns, and weak Broncos/Chiefs.

    2012 gave us Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Manning (twice), playoff Bengals and Ravens.

    Ouch.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    - Shaughnessy is not a RDE, and he is a better fit at LDE. I like B Jenkins (if he declares)
    - Houston needs to play DT (not LDE), but we need to add a NT to help him and Bryant. I like J Hankins from The OSU.
    - we need a CB (I like Xavier Rhodes and Leon McFadden).
    - Huff can play FS/ CB, and I think he should cover athletic TEs like he did when he was our SS, but we need a guy to play S when Huff plays CB. We need a playmaker.

  • mcfadden20.

    raidertalk Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Its really a shame that this org took a respectable Offense and shredded it to fit a system. We might have been able to bring our Defense slowly up to the level of the offense. But now the offense has CLEARLY taken a step backward and the Defense is playing as lowly as ever.

    P.S. For all his detractors, at least Michael Bush actually PLAYS for the money he get
    —-
    My man O wasn’t all that , and it can get back to relevancy with a new OC, but we still need #1 WR, a solid TE, and new right side of OL

  • Dakota

    No coaches fired yet or players cut yet?

    Wtf!?!?!?

  • raidertalk

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced

    > you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.

    Yeah i know, watch the replies will be but we were scoring 22 PPG , but Hue was here, but this or but that
    ——————————————————-
    Look I agree that Hue was not the answer, nor could he be, but last year’s offense had us IN games and our D pissed MANY of our leads away (see Det. Buffalo, SD).

    You must admit that our offense has taken a step back, despite garbage-time stats.