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Final: Bengals 34, Raiders 10

The Raiders need a better team or an alarm clock.

The Cincinnati Bengals spoiled the homecoming of quarterback Carson Palmer Sunday, winning 34-10 at Paul Brown Stadium after taking a 24-0 lead at halftime.

It was the ninth straight loss for the Raiders in the eastern time zone, dating back to a 27-24 win in Pittsburgh on Dec. 6, 2009.

The Raiders, 3-8, actually threatened to make a game of it for a brief time in the fourth quarter, but a strip-sack fumble of Palmer led to a Bengals field goal and an “inadvertent whistle’’ erased a potential touchdown return of a fumble by Tyvon Branch.

Cincinnati, 6-5, piled up 289 yards of offense in the first half and had a 1-yard touchdown run by BenJarvis Green-Ellis, touchdown passes of 2 and 5 yards from Andy Dalton to Mohamed Sanu and a 55-yard field goal by Mike Nugent.

Green-Ellis rushed for 129 yards on 19 carries for the Bengals, including runs of 48 and 39 yards.

Palmer had trouble getting the ball downfield against the Bengals defense, completing 19 of 34 passes for 146 yards, a 20-yard touchdown pass to Denarius Moore and an interception. He received boos every time he took the field, having left the team after the 2010 season and demanding a trade.

Things got mildly interesting in the third quarter, during which the Raiders had been outscored 123-34 coming in to the game.

Instead, the Raiders got a 55-yard field goal by Sebastian Janikowski and the 20-yard touchdown pass from Palmer to Moore to get within 24-10.

The Raiders then got good field position at their own 44 after forcing a Cincinnati punt, with the possibility of getting within 24-17 early in the fourth quarter.

The Bengals reasserted themselves at that point, with Manny Lawson getting around rookie Tony Bergstrom for a strip sack of Palmer that was recovered by Cincinnati.

It led to a 20-yard field goal by Nugent, only after the Raiders tightened at the 1-yard line following a 39-yard run by Green-Ellis for a first and goal.

Later, Raiders cornerback Joselio Hanson appeared to flip a Sanu fumble back in bounds where it was picked up by Branch, who ran into the end zone while the Bengals stood and watched.

The ruling was an inadvertent whistle, with Cincinnati getting the ball back. The game degerated into a scrum midway through the quarter with Andrew Whitworth getting tossed along with Lamarr Houston and Tommy Kelly of Oakland.

Whitworth was the instigator, going after Houston when the Raiders defensive end hit Dalton following a false start.

Former Raiders coach Hue Jackson was on the field helping to play peacemaker.

After order was restored, Cincinnati finished a 12-play, 84-yard drive with a 7-yard pass from Dalton to Jermaine Gresham to remove all doubt.

The Raiders return for consecutive home games against Cleveland, Denver and Kansas City.

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  • alex7

    Just like in 2010 when we thought we were kinda decent, went to Pittsburgh and just like I predicted we were embarrassed when facing a real team.

  • mcfadden20.

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    true McFadden

    2010 saw us play a TERRIBLE NFC West
    2011 gave us Cutler-less Bears, Browns, and weak Broncos/Chiefs.

    2012 gave us Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Manning (twice), playoff Bengals and Ravens.

    Ouch.


    Finally some one gets it

  • manassamauler

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    true McFadden

    2010 saw us play a TERRIBLE NFC West
    2011 gave us Cutler-less Bears, Browns, and weak Broncos/Chiefs.

    2012 gave us Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Manning (twice), playoff Bengals and Ravens.

    Ouch.

    >> well maybe THIS team is as good as the 2010,11 teams just that its only showing NOW because we have a tough schedule. I think this team was bad in 10 and 11,but had some cupcake teams on their schedule.

  • alex7

    Raidertalk

    NO DOUBT that our O has taken a step back. I pin this on the new scheme, the Ford injury, the MUCH tougher schedule, and our huge hole at RT.

    We all agree that Knapp shouldn’t be back next year.

    Just saying Reggie and DA are on a 3-year plan and it will take about that long to put legit talent on this roster.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Alex,

    You were right. This is a 5-11 team (if we get lucky and win 2 more games).

  • manassamauler

    raidertalk Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced

    > you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.

    Yeah i know, watch the replies will be but we were scoring 22 PPG , but Hue was here, but this or but that
    ——————————————————-
    Look I agree that Hue was not the answer, nor could he be, but last year’s offense had us IN games and our D pissed MANY of our leads away (see Det. Buffalo, SD).

    You must admit that our offense has taken a step back, despite garbage-time stats.

    > has the offense REALLY taken a step back OR are the raiders just Playing better TEAMS this year? i vote for the Latter man. the real raiders have stood up. they aren’t who we thought they were. Dmac never dominated any good teams. he was held down by every good team he’s faced. we bought the hype. Raiders were average and not anywhere near elite or even good

  • mcfadden20.

    raidertalk Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:28 pm

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:19 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    Teams we’re playing now are good teams, if you guys go back to last year, we freaking got crushed against GB and NE, the few good teams we faced

    > you are using too much common sense for this blog. Raiders were LUCKY last year with a weak schedule and crap division. even easier in 2010. basically this was a horrible team from 03-09 and then upgraded to average at best in 10-11 aided by a really bad division and easy schedule. raiders were not GOOD in 10 or 11, just average at best and lucky.

    Yeah i know, watch the replies will be but we were scoring 22 PPG , but Hue was here, but this or but that
    ——————————————————-
    Look I agree that Hue was not the answer, nor could he be, but last year’s offense had us IN games and our D pissed MANY of our leads away (see Det. Buffalo, SD).

    You must admit that our offense has taken a step back, despite garbage-time stats.

    I admit O has taken a step back, but lets not get too ahead of ours selves, we weren’t going to score 30+ points a game to mask our deficiencies on D side, yeah i know last year had us 8 wins, but just look at the schedule, only reason we won those games , were cuz we didn’t face many top passing O’s in those games,

  • alex7

    I have zero doubt that Reggie can increase our talent here in the next two seasons.

    The main issue will be WHO is playing QB once we have that solid talent level in 2014.

    Most terrible teams get to develop together with a new QB (Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Lions, Rams).

    It’s rare that a terrible team like us has no young QB to develop along with the rest of the team so they can flourish together soon.

  • raidertalk

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
    raidertalk Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Its really a shame that this org took a respectable Offense and shredded it to fit a system. We might have been able to bring our Defense slowly up to the level of the offense. But now the offense has CLEARLY taken a step backward and the Defense is playing as lowly as ever.

    P.S. For all his detractors, at least Michael Bush actually PLAYS for the money he get
    —-
    My man O wasn’t all that , and it can get back to relevancy with a new OC, but we still need #1 WR, a solid TE, and new right side of OL
    ——————————————————-
    I hope you’re right about the O, hopefully the search has already began for a new OC. Funny, almost every blogger in here could see that Knapp would not work, from a mile away and BEFORE preseason.

    The Lil Wiz Center experiment has also failed. We should pick up a FA or draft Center and move him back to LG, he seemed to man that spot pretty well last year.

  • manassamauler

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    Just like in 2010 when we thought we were kinda decent, went to Pittsburgh and just like I predicted we were embarrassed when facing a real team.

    > 2-8 outside the cupcake Afc west that year. first team since 1970 merger to go undefeated in the division and not WIN the division or make playoffs. Raiders were never “close”.

  • mcfadden20.

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:29 pm

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:26 pm

    true McFadden

    2010 saw us play a TERRIBLE NFC West
    2011 gave us Cutler-less Bears, Browns, and weak Broncos/Chiefs.

    2012 gave us Falcons, Saints, Bucs, Manning (twice), playoff Bengals and Ravens.

    Ouch.

    >> well maybe THIS team is as good as the 2010,11 teams just that its only showing NOW because we have a tough schedule. I think this team was bad in 10 and 11,but had some cupcake teams on their schedule.

    —-

    We have faced top passing attack game after game this year, yes we were close in some of defeats last year but only couple of teams we beat had top 15 O’s lol

  • manassamauler

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:33 pm

    I have zero doubt that Reggie can increase our talent here in the next two seasons.

    The main issue will be WHO is playing QB once we have that solid talent level in 2014.

    Most terrible teams get to develop together with a new QB (Redskins, Dolphins, Browns, Lions, Rams).

    It’s rare that a terrible team like us has no young QB to develop along with the rest of the team so they can flourish together soon.

    >. well raiders will use their 3rd overall pick on a QB then. who will it be?

  • mcfadden20.

    raidertalk Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:34 pm

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
    raidertalk Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:23 pm

    Its really a shame that this org took a respectable Offense and shredded it to fit a system. We might have been able to bring our Defense slowly up to the level of the offense. But now the offense has CLEARLY taken a step backward and the Defense is playing as lowly as ever.

    P.S. For all his detractors, at least Michael Bush actually PLAYS for the money he get
    —-
    My man O wasn’t all that , and it can get back to relevancy with a new OC, but we still need #1 WR, a solid TE, and new right side of OL
    ——————————————————-
    I hope you’re right about the O, hopefully the search has already began for a new OC. Funny, almost every blogger in here could see that Knapp would not work, from a mile away and BEFORE preseason.

    The Lil Wiz Center experiment has also failed. We should pick up a FA or draft Center and move him back to LG, he seemed to man that spot pretty well last year.

    ——
    The reason i can make of that was , DA wanted to go ZBS and had nobody else available, hopefully he can hire someone better to coach it next year, but still we need #1 receiver, better solid TE, better right side of OL

  • mcfadden20.

    There is no reason to give up on Palmer even if he has not led to playoffs, you can’t compare him to P Mannings and Bradys of the world, none of them have Ds as horrible as ours, their receivers, Offensive play callers and coaches are all better than what we have in here

  • JB

    DKnight007 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:15 pm

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    true Beach

    Veldeheer has regressed.
    Wiz regressing as a center, seems he should stay at G.
    All of our RTs are other team’s trash cuts.
    Briesel looked much better in Houston.

    They look confused by simple stunts.

    ^^^^^^^^
    All on the OC Knapp and OLine coach Pollack by being crappy coaches.

    Dennis Allen made a stubborn and foolish mistake by not keeping Wylie and Wiz as OLine coaches and not keeping Saunders as the OC.
    ******************************

    All true & right on point. DOA screwed this up royally. should have left the offense as it was and focused on the D & ST. Knapp has proven that his earlier firing here in Oakland was not a mistake. Knapp is an EPIC FAIL.

  • manassamauler

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    There is no reason to give up on Palmer even if he has not led to playoffs, you can’t compare him to P Mannings and Bradys of the world, none of them have Ds as horrible as ours, their receivers, Offensive play callers and coaches are all better than what we have in here

    >> Raiders need to rebuild. Most teams start by drafting the best QB available and it works. Colts are going to the playoffs 1 year after going 2-14. Palmer isn’t the problem but he can’t solve it either.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Carson is the worst raiders trade bust of all time. We have flamed out in orange & black stripes & are drowning on Carson’s apologist tears.

    The raiders are a pathetic 7-14 under Carson’s watch he has lost twice smas many as he had won!! 35 turnovers is pathetic.

    Today he proved nothing more than Dalton’s pin cushion & mike brown owned him today & forever!!

    He had his routine trmpertantrum threw bone heade picks & near picks fumbled the game away in pure bungles fashion.

    When will the impostors admit that Palmer is a failure in Oakland.

    In his ultimate & final legacy game he turned in a signature flag ship flop for the ages.

    Carson revenge turned into validation for mike brown laughing Palmer out of his office & letting him quit

  • manassamauler

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:45 pm

    Carson is the worst raiders trade bust of all time. We have flamed out in orange & black stripes & are drowning on Carson’s apologist tears.

    The raiders are a pathetic 7-14 under Carson’s watch he has lost twice smas many as he had won!! 35 turnovers is pathetic.

    Today he proved nothing more than Dalton’s pin cushion & mike brown owned him today & forever!!

    He had his routine trmpertantrum threw bone heade picks & near picks fumbled the game away in pure bungles fashion.

    When will the impostors admit that Palmer is a failure in Oakland.

    In his ultimate & final legacy game he turned in a signature flag ship flop for the ages.

    Carson revenge turned into validation for mike brown laughing Palmer out of his office & letting him quit

    >> aww come on you just want a Black QB, just admit it. yes the Palmer trade was stupid, but Palmer isn’t the problem with this team.just look at whats around him.

  • alex7

    Man

    I just don’t know that Palmer will be even average by 2014. This year, sure, next year, good enough to win 8-9 games if team is solid.

    But by 2014 he’s turning 35.

    Take a shot on Geno Smith or draft best D player available? Smith’s D has let him down too, but the man has a CANNON with accuracy at only age 20.

  • mcfadden20.

    manassamauler Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:44 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:41 pm

    There is no reason to give up on Palmer even if he has not led to playoffs, you can’t compare him to P Mannings and Bradys of the world, none of them have Ds as horrible as ours, their receivers, Offensive play callers and coaches are all better than what we have in here

    >> Raiders need to rebuild. Most teams start by drafting the best QB available and it works. Colts are going to the playoffs 1 year after going 2-14. Palmer isn’t the problem but he can’t solve it either.

    you know we have been on the same page for most of the time , but i will have to disagree with you on this one , colts weren’t that bad last year, it’s just that they were built on passing and after Manning got injured they were screwed cuz they had nobody behind him , and they didn’t even try to do anything about it cuz they knew one of the best Qb prospects in a while were going to available in draft, so they just totally stuck with that horrible QB and let it roll out to secure a #1 pick , don’t forget they had all of the draft, and salary cap money to bring in solid FA’s

  • mcfadden20.

    make that 2 of the best qb prospects **&&&^^^

  • alex7

    Mistic wants Aaron Brooks back :)

    I think he still pines for Troy Smith too.

  • raidertalk

    I think the best strategy is to Draft a solid DT with the first pick, preferably the Georgia DT at 350 plus to fill the HUGE gap that we now have at DT.

    Get some O-line help in 2nd (if we can get 2 rounder)or 3rd, at the Center position

    latter rounds Draft/FA Corner Back, and LB depth.

    I think that Drafting Te’o would ruin him and not help our team.
    1) We do not run 3-4 nor do we have the personnel to
    2) Our lack of Stout DTs would expose him to too many O linemen and render him ineffectual too early in his career.

  • mcfadden20.

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Man

    I just don’t know that Palmer will be even average by 2014. This year, sure, next year, good enough to win 8-9 games if team is solid.

    But by 2014 he’s turning 35.

    Take a shot on Geno Smith or draft best D player available? Smith’s D has let him down too, but the man has a CANNON with accuracy at only age 20.

    — Last year had Luck and Griffin, these guys are no where close to him , plus you think these guys would make a different with these wide receivers this OL, this play caller, C’mon man P manning is 4 years older than CP and still going , so is Brady, A ROD, P RIVERS, E Manning are all about same age as Palmer , he can def give 3-4 more good years, we def need to give him better support though

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    7-14 with 35 turnovers stinks regardless of skin color.

    Carson is flat out awful, he is neutered by his bone headed turn overs.

    The team rolls their eyes while he is yelling or giving laughably uninspiring half time speeches.

    No qb on earth would get a pass here for what Palmer has posted.

    Most of his worshipers no don’t post at all they lurk instead , as they have been exposed for their folly

  • The Mack

    Alex and mc20 you guys aren’t doing anything but making excuses to give credit to Da and take credit from hue. . Truth is there are no easy games in the nfl because each player is a professional and is the best at their craft or else they wouldn’t be in the league. Just how the bears had injuries to star players the raiders had injuries to star players last year but hue found a way to win. A win is a win, give credit where credit is due hue won those games no matter who it was against he brought home the W and you cant tak that away from him. Like it or not DA’s lost and he’s lost big which is why fans are calling for his head. He hasn’t earned any cred for any to be given. Fact is the O is a failure because his choice in OC was a mistake, the D’s a failure and he’s in charge of that, you say we lack talent but half the roster is hisw guys that he hand picked where just 3 have been productive (phillip wheeler, miles burris, mike goodson). 27 out of 53 players are his guys, hes failed in choice of scheme, choice of staff, and choice of personnel. This is not the same team as last year and the results and numbers say hues raiders were better and thats just facts.

  • mcfadden20.

    Main problem with this team is the Pass rush, the only way we even get to QB’s is with blitzes, and you know that you can’t stop O’s by blitzing all day, you need natural pressure most of the times, draft a stud DE, or stud OLB if we switch to 3-4

  • Car Wash Dude

    Defense has sunk to uncharted depth.

    Offense is putting up less points each week.

    The play is bad my friends. If I’ve said it once I’ve said it a hundred times. The sea was angry that day. We have a situation where draft picks and FAs’ won’t be enough. The wrath of an angry storm is worse than that of a woman scorned. DA has to be beside hisself in bewilderment and shock. His head has to be spinning like a fierce and out of control tornado. And do not forget about Reggie. The dude has to be on fire. The sun darkens and noise from beyond the gates of hell are begging for Raider destruction. Only a good man, say Gruden if you please, can bring this franchise out of the bottom to which it has sunk. If he won’t, then we are forever doomed to be list at sea drifting aimlessly. It is the utmost hopeless feeling of despair you would not even wish upon your worst enemy. A collapse is imminent. A good man is needed. The fate lies beyond our comprehensive ability. Repent and do the right thing.

  • alex7

    Raiders might have their choice of:

    Manti Te’o, LB, Notre Dame
    Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah
    Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia
    Jarvis Jones, OLB/DE, Georgia
    Keenan Allen, WR, California

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Lol you don’t have to have a rookie qb as good as RGIII

    Just get a guy that will be good, if tp 6 is t the guy.

    RGIII is a once in a lifetime talent

    If you waited to draft a qb that good you would be waiting for 10 years

  • alex7

    also likely the Raiders trade down with the Jets or Bills if those teams want to grab either Geno or Barkley.

    Might get Oakland that 2nd round pick back.

  • manassamauler

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Man

    I just don’t know that Palmer will be even average by 2014. This year, sure, next year, good enough to win 8-9 games if team is solid.

    But by 2014 he’s turning 35.

    Take a shot on Geno Smith or draft best D player available? Smith’s D has let him down too, but the man has a CANNON with accuracy at only age 20.

    — Last year had Luck and Griffin, these guys are no where close to him , plus you think these guys would make a different with these wide receivers this OL, this play caller, C’mon man P manning is 4 years older than CP and still going , so is Brady, A ROD, P RIVERS, E Manning are all about same age as Palmer , he can def give 3-4 more good years, we def need to give him better support though

    >> manning has never been hit like Palmer has been this year. palmer will be out of football in 2 years. he’s lucky hes 6 5″ 240 otherwise he’d be in a hospital right now. Raiders need a pass rush and an Oline that can block once in a while. If they can fix the OLINE somehow then maybe palmer can go for 4 more years. they better draft OL in the first round of the want to keep palmer, if not draft QB or DE/OLB

  • mcfadden20.

    The Mack Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm

    Alex and mc20 you guys aren’t doing anything but making excuses to give credit to Da and take credit from hue. . Truth is there are no easy games in the nfl because each player is a professional and is the best at their craft or else they wouldn’t be in the league. Just how the bears had injuries to star players the raiders had injuries to star players last year but hue found a way to win. A win is a win, give credit where credit is due hue won those games no matter who it was against he brought home the W and you cant tak that away from him. Like it or not DA’s lost and he’s lost big which is why fans are calling for his head. He hasn’t earned any cred for any to be given. Fact is the O is a failure because his choice in OC was a mistake, the D’s a failure and he’s in charge of that, you say we lack talent but half the roster is hisw guys that he hand picked where just 3 have been productive (phillip wheeler, miles burris, mike goodson). 27 out of 53 players are his guys, hes failed in choice of scheme, choice of staff, and choice of personnel. This is not the same team as last year and the results and numbers say hues raiders were better and thats just facts.

    _—

    Look don’t downplay the effect of us playing against good teams does to this team, we have not beaten good teams since 02, this team is good enough to beat last years teams we faced too, judging by going 2 outta 3 against likes of Miami, Jax and KC, we got crushed against top passing O’s GB and NE, heck we couldn’t stop SD when they were healthy when the game was on the line, i know Hue was better at calling plays and stuff, but why are you ignoring the facts that most of our wins came against weak teams , and that even if Hue was here we ain’t putting up 30 plus points to mask our D’s Deficiencies

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Lol Mac 20 your instant upgrade isn’t even instant oatmeal.

    Palmer is a loser & dog that couldn’t attract fleas

  • mcfadden20.

    manassamauler Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 12:00 am

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    alex7 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:50 pm

    Man

    I just don’t know that Palmer will be even average by 2014. This year, sure, next year, good enough to win 8-9 games if team is solid.

    But by 2014 he’s turning 35.

    Take a shot on Geno Smith or draft best D player available? Smith’s D has let him down too, but the man has a CANNON with accuracy at only age 20.

    — Last year had Luck and Griffin, these guys are no where close to him , plus you think these guys would make a different with these wide receivers this OL, this play caller, C’mon man P manning is 4 years older than CP and still going , so is Brady, A ROD, P RIVERS, E Manning are all about same age as Palmer , he can def give 3-4 more good years, we def need to give him better support though

    >> manning has never been hit like Palmer has been this year. palmer will be out of football in 2 years. he’s lucky hes 6 5″ 240 otherwise he’d be in a hospital right now. Raiders need a pass rush and an Oline that can block once in a while. If they can fix the OLINE somehow then maybe palmer can go for 4 more years. they better draft OL in the first round of the want to keep palmer, if not draft QB or DE/OLB

    Oline play is more of a product of coaching, we don’t need ultra talented definite first rd picks on O line , we can def improve on some spots , but it doesn’t necessarily need a 1st rd guy, now WR is another thing, we need a #1 WR, D line is another thing, we need highly talented pass rusher, coaching can only do so much at those positions

  • backstageatapuppetshow

    Alex and mc20 you guys aren’t doing anything but making excuses to give credit to Da and take credit from hue. . Truth is there are no easy games in the nfl because each player is a professional and is the best at their craft or else they wouldn’t be in the league. Just how the bears had injuries to star players the raiders had injuries to star players last year but hue found a way to win. A win is a win, give credit where credit is due hue won those games no matter who it was against he brought home the W and you cant tak that away from him. Like it or not DA’s lost and he’s lost big which is why fans are calling for his head. He hasn’t earned any cred for any to be given. Fact is the O is a failure because his choice in OC was a mistake, the D’s a failure and he’s in charge of that, you say we lack talent but half the roster is hisw guys that he hand picked where just 3 have been productive (phillip wheeler, miles burris, mike goodson). 27 out of 53 players are his guys, hes failed in choice of scheme, choice of staff, and choice of personnel. This is not the same team as last year and the results and numbers say hues raiders were better and thats just facts.
    _____________________________________________________

    BAZINGA!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YA2iJ4ZcUo

  • alex7

    Mack

    Reggie has picked many of our current players, as you mentioned.

    Please remember that Reggie had no 1st or 2nd round pick and no real FA money.

    That means Reggie was picking up guys from the undrafted rookie pile, the “cut by another NFL team” pile, and off other teams’ practice squad.

    You’ll be hard-pressed to find ANY starters from those piles, yet Reggie has found a few.

  • mcfadden20.

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 12:01 am

    Lol Mac 20 your instant upgrade isn’t even instant oatmeal.

    Palmer is a loser & dog that couldn’t attract fleas

    How was Russell today? will Cam newton beat horrible philly tomorrow?

  • mcfadden20.

    Besides Briesel we didn’t really make many moves, we got guys other teams didn’t wanted

  • alex7

    And Mack

    “A win is a win” is just some saying.

    Who you play and when you play them definitely matters. Look at the Bears between last week and this week.

    We had many cupcake games the last two years (based on our historic losing streak prior to that) and suddenly we play the best divisions in football (NFC SOUTH and NORTH) this year.

    Yeah, it matters.

  • manassamauler

    Raiders can draft OLINE,fire Knapp, install vertical offense with Palmer and use Reese as the Franchise RB for years to come. raiders did find a true Franchise Back IMO. Reese is a bright spot. the ONE great RM signing.

  • mcfadden20.

    Reggie was trying to go Billy Bean route while signing , players like Bartell, Spencer both were good at one time , Wheeler , Hanson, Lee

  • mcfadden20.

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  • alex7

    whoops, meant NFC South and AFC North.

  • manassamauler

    I just don’t know how this team went into ATL and played them so well. game of the year for the Raiders and it was a LOSS.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    I knew that Palmer would lead ur to massive failure. Max 20, aig, jfb, jb, ghost, Alex,sully,dj Johnny, lofty, lefty , bay2la, raider Dave, gradkowski raiser , Kirk, & million others screamed instant upgrade.

    Well is 7-14 & 35 turnovers an upgrade?!?!?

    If you think so then upgrade your own mind & football acumen

  • raidertalk

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
    Main problem with this team is the Pass rush, the only way we even get to QB’s is with blitzes, and you know that you can’t stop O’s by blitzing all day, you need natural pressure most of the times, draft a stud DE, or stud OLB if we switch to 3-4
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    We can’t switch to 3-4 right now because we have DT capable of playing NT. I think DT is the position of need on this team. Our current DTs are undersized and aging (see Seymore’s lingering injuries).

    If we get a big run stopper our LBs can get freed-up to make more plays.

    Our Defense starting improving with the play of Burris and Wheeler after the bye. However, the turning point for this Defensive squad came when little Doug Martin of the Bucs ran through holes on our Dline and put up a 250 yards. Burris and Wheeler WERE IN POSITION but were so worn out by lack of “bigs” in the front that the tackling started to wear down.

    Improvement in the DT position will free the LBs up to do more damage overall.

  • The Mack

    You guys kill me, its the recievers fault, its Dmac fault, its carson, its kelly, its branch,blah blah blah. You mean to tell me every player on this team is struggling whether its offense or defense they’ve all just mysteriously forgotten how to play at the same time even though they were just fine the previous year after some players were even in the conversation for pro bowl considerations. 1 or 2 players lagging off ok but the whole dam team dropping off in unison? ?? There’s a common denominator folks and thats coaching. Point blank! Plain and simple.

  • manassamauler

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 12:09 am

    I knew that Palmer would lead ur to massive failure. Max 20, aig, jfb, jb, ghost, Alex,sully,dj Johnny, lofty, lefty , bay2la, raider Dave, gradkowski raiser , Kirk, & million others screamed instant upgrade.

    Well is 7-14 & 35 turnovers an upgrade?!?!?

    If you think so then upgrade your own mind & football acumen

    >> Palmer has played better this season. and did you SEE campbell against the fruity niners? campbell should have NEVER even been a starter. dude sucks. thats a FACT. JC got to play against cupcake teams and a historically bad AFC west. Palmer has faced FAR BETTER teams. you’re blind man.

  • manassamauler

    The Mack Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 12:11 am

    You guys kill me, its the recievers fault, its Dmac fault, its carson, its kelly, its branch,blah blah blah. You mean to tell me every player on this team is struggling whether its offense or defense they’ve all just mysteriously forgotten how to play at the same time even though they were just fine the previous year after some players were even in the conversation for pro bowl considerations. 1 or 2 players lagging off ok but the whole dam team dropping off in unison? ?? There’s a common denominator folks and thats coaching. Point blank! Plain and simple.

    >> i see your point BUT just look at the teams the Raiders are playing this year and compare to 2010 and 11. you’ll see that this team was never any good. raiders got smoked by every top team they played in 2010 and 11, look at it. This year the raiders are actually playing against tough opponents with real QBS and are getting smoked. raiders were NOtgood in 2010 and 11,just had an easier schedule.