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Live chat: Raiders vs. Bengals, Sunday at 10 a.m.

By Jon Becker
Sunday, November 25th, 2012 at 7:31 am in Oakland Raiders.

Join NFL writer Steve Corkran for a live chat as the Raiders take on the Bengals, Sunday at 10 a.m.

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  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    I can’t believe the ‘Legacy Bowl’ isn’t the game of the week.

  • Just Fire Baby

    The teams that win championships run and stop the run.

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    Charlie,

    Love your posts, and debating with you, no name-calling, thought out posts and good debates. Good morning Sir.

    But the Giants last year were dead last in rushing. They had the lowest YPC of any team in 3 years.

    I agree wholeheartedly with your take on the D-line. But the reason the D-line is so important, is because it is the ONLY way to contain a Saints, Pats passing game. You can’t stop them this day and age.

    The Giants do that better than anyone with their D-line.

  • Raiderbuck

    Raiderbuck Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 7:32 am

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Peyton-Manning-Denver-Broncos-lone-bright-spot-in-AFC-West-112012

    This was nice to wake up to. Can’t even win among losers,…

  • http://raiders.com Albert Bigelow Paine

    Charlie must have stopped paying attention to the NFL 5 years ago. QBs win Super Bowls now, not running games.

  • Dakota

    ND!

  • Just Fire Baby

    I think we are going to win this game, and then house the Browns so when I go to the Donkeys game, there is at least a slimmer of something we are playing for.

    Raiders 34
    Bungles 13

  • oakfoshow

    gonna get our as$es handed to us in a hand basket are you kiddin me?

  • Chris in NY

    Dakota Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 7:39 am
    ND!

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    Hell’s yeah, Dakota. I’m an ND fan myself. Still can’t believe they pulled it off. I figured they’d get tripped up at some point. Even a couple of weeks ago I was thinking that if they get to the NC game against Oregon or ‘Bama that they would probably be overwhelmed.

    Now, I won’t be shocked at anything. That defense is legit and the offense can run the ball and move the chains, especially throwing to the TE. Mix in an mobile QB who can keep plays alive and move the chains himself and this team has that formula to just grind out wins. They are more than capable of giving ‘Bama all they can handle.

    It’s funny that in the era of spread offenses and video game-like stats, that the NC game could come down to ND vs. ‘Bama. Two teams that are built on running the ball and playing great D, just like the smashmouth pro football formula of yesterday.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Maybe we can get a Bruce Gradkwoski cameo today, to really kick off this reunion thingy.

  • Chris in NY

    As for the Raiders today, we could get slapped down or we could come out inspired and ride Palmer to a double-digit victory. The Bengals are OK, but not world beaters. I think the 8.5 line is overly generous.

    I’m hoping, especially for Palmer, that we come out and get the win. If we get thrashed again it’s looking inevitable that a reboot is needed.

    Reggie took a gamble on DA as a one-year DC of the 20th-ranked defense. He can’t give him a long leash. If he does and things aren’t vastly improved by 2013, they should both be shown the door.

  • Chris in NY

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 7:57 am
    Maybe we can get a Bruce Gradkwoski cameo today, to really kick off this reunion thingy.

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    BRUUUUUUUUUCE!

    Talk about a working-class hero. Love that guy.

    I’ve got a fever, and the only prescription is more Gradkow.

  • Just Fire Baby

    We can lose the rest of the games this year, and both Knapp and DA will have until the week before the bye next year to move things in the right direction.

    That’s where the rubber meets the road. 2013 bye week.

  • Chris in NY

    And for those (SEC fans) who mock ND’s schedule, it’s not like they’re playing Creampuff U. They won @Oklahoma and @USC — hands down two of the best programs of this decade. They beat Michigan, Michigan State, Stanford and a bunch of other BCS conference schools. I think the only non-BCS school they played was Navy — a perennial bowl team.

    Some of those schools had down years, but you better believe they still have frontline talent based on their stature. They’re not taking on non-FBS teams like the SEC teams like to mix in.

    While on the subject, why are there SEC fans? Who the hell ever heard of being a fan of a conference? If the Donks or Chargers have good seasons is anyone in here rooting them on out of AFC West pride? Makes no sense.

  • Charlie

    Albert

    My earlier post pointed to the fact that the Oline and the Dline win the game.

    A QB is not going to be effective without a good oline performance in front of him.

    My earlier post also referred to the ND game last night as how the Raiders used to win. By pressuring with four, stopping the run and running against 7-8 in the box.
    The point being ND controlled the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball and won.

  • Just Fire Baby

    ND has no reason to apologize, they played a tough schedule, tough enough to play in the BCS game.

    I still think Bama or Georgia will pound them, but we shall see.

  • Charlie

    Chris

    Good point.
    All the “experts” at the start of the year were loving the fact that ND had such a “brutal” schedule.

    Many haters figured ND would be lucky to win 8 games and laughed that if they “ran the table” they would be the National Champs.

    Guess what happened?

    Good old school footbal that wins. Dominate the line of scrimmage and you win.

    I AM CONFIDENT REGGIE WILL BE DRAFTING TO BUILD THE LINES DURING OUR NEXT TWO DRAFTS.

  • MiamiRaider78

    ND also beat my Hurricanes! lol

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 7:33 am
    The teams that win championships run and stop the run.

    ******************************

    Charlie,

    Love your posts, and debating with you, no name-calling, thought out posts and good debates. Good morning Sir.

    But the Giants last year were dead last in rushing. They had the lowest YPC of any team in 3 years.

    I agree wholeheartedly with your take on the D-line. But the reason the D-line is so important, is because it is the ONLY way to contain a Saints, Pats passing game. You can’t stop them this day and age.

    The Giants do that better than anyone with their D-line.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Charlie is a good poster, but he doesn’t realize the NFL has changed. It’s a passing league, and you can find good OL (Gs & Cs) in later rounds.

  • Just Fire Baby

    The Ravens and Falcons (especially ATL) have taken their offenses to new heights and are poised to eclipse previous playoff runs, by ditching the running game and airing it out.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Go Buckeyes!
    ND got lucky. We would kill’em!

  • Just Win Baby

    The trend has been to allow over 40 points per game, average about 2 yards per carry (with the exception of Reece), and expect Carson Palmer to win the game throwing the ball because there are no other options. If Oakland wins today it will be because Carson Palmer wins the game or because these other losers on this team decide to do their jobs. I dont expect much from this defense, and Palmer is only one guy. They know we can’t run the ball. I think the Bengals win this one by two touchdowns. Bengals 31 – Raiders 17.

  • MiamiRaider78

    Sabah el kheir, Raider O!

    Goodmorning Raider Bro’s!

  • Just Win Baby

    Raider O Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 8:41 am
    Go Buckeyes!
    ND got lucky. We would kill’em!

    ==========

    They got lucky. Every week. All season long. Right.

  • Just Fire Baby

    RB’s not named McNinny are averaging 4.8 yards per carry this season.

    Expect more of that today.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Raiders Inactives…looks like DA didnt get the message re Pryor

    RB Darren McFadden, DT Richard Seymour, RB Mike Goodson, QB Terrelle Pryor, OL Willie Smith, OL Lucas Nix, DL Jack Crawford

  • Just Fire Baby

    What’s the message on Pryor?

    That the local fans want to see him play? Geez, that never happens in any football town.

    He will play when he is ready, not a minute earlier.

  • jesusraiderjim

    damn and I thought DA read this board.

    Can’t believe DA is ignoring the thoughts of the posters in here what a idiot!

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Mark Davis dropped him a hint post-game last week. It’s that I’m referring to.

  • mcskinnnylegs

    An above-average junior varsity high school squad might be able to put up 30 on this Raiders defense.
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    Ouch.#3

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Sabah el noor!

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Just Win Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 8:44 am
    Raider O Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 8:41 am
    Go Buckeyes!
    ND got lucky. We would kill’em!

    ==========

    They got lucky. Every week. All season long. Right.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$

    YES!
    They got lucky.
    Stanford, Pitt, and a few more.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    I defy anyone to prove to me that Pryor’s been getting any chance, any reps with the second team offense in practice to actually progress to #2.

    He’s been shelved, just doing the same old things with QB Coach, going over the same old practice routines of dropping back alone, working on technique, throwing to a receiver, pumping iron, and tagging along with Palmer/Leinart to film study.

    That’s not how you develop a QB, there’s a point of stagnation, you have to get them involved in a game-plan, actual team reps, get them scouting the defense of that week’s opponent, etc, raising the bar on them each week.

  • MiamiRaider78

    Either Pryor is being groomed to be the next Raider starting QB and Reggie feels the best way to maximize the learning process is to sit him i.e Aaron Rodgers

    or

    Reggie will use Pryors preseason highlight reel as a means of trading for a decent draft pick

    or

    Knapp doesn’t know how to use him and having too many weapons at his expense is confusing because he is a very peaceful man.

  • ChrisinNC

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 7:51 am
    I think we are going to win this game, and then house the Browns so when I go to the Donkeys game, there is at least a slimmer of something we are playing for.

    Raiders 34
    Bungles 13

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    Priceless. Regardless of how pathetic the team is playing, people will still spout off 20+ point victory prayers.

    JFB, you sure know how to get me laughing.

  • Just Fire Baby

    I defy anyone to prove to me that Pryor’s been getting any chance, any reps with the second team offense in practice to actually progress to #2.

    ****************************

    You don’t get a chance in the NFL, you earn it.

    Leinart outplayed Pryor in the preseason, and I am sure he has a better grasp of the offense.

    Pryor will get his chance next preseason to prove he is better.

    Until then, he does what ever other #3 QB in the NFL does. Work your tail off to keep a job.

  • mcskinnnylegs

    Raiders 34
    Bungles 13
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    lmfao!!!!!

  • 2romes

    It depends on what type offensive they institute next year. It is imperative that the Raiders establish a decent ground great in order to get the best out Palmer. Palmer throws to the open areas often and anticipates his receivers to get to the open areas. This type of QB play works very well for some of the elite QB that have great repoire with their receivers TE and catching running backs. Without a decent running game and good of repoire with the receiver don’t expect palmer to save the Raiders.
    Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 24th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
    I just honestly want to ask this question from every Raider fan , would Raiders be better with or without Palmer next year, why or why not?

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 9:00 am

    Either Pryor is being groomed to be the next Raider starting QB and Reggie feels the best way to maximize the learning process is to sit him i.e Aaron Rodgers

    or

    Reggie will use Pryors preseason highlight reel as a means of trading for a decent draft pick

    or

    Knapp doesn’t know how to use him and having too many weapons at his expense is confusing because he is a very peaceful man.

    ——

    It could also be a little of both 1 and 3, or 2 and 3.

    I think 3 is also apparent. Knapp is notoriously bad at not being able to get more than 1 or 2 playmakers involved in a gameplan.

    Look at McFadden week 1, throwing it to him 20 times and running him 20 times. Reece nothing, WRs bare bones, TEs nothing etc. Complaining that teams took Reece out of it right thru the 7 weeks until McFadden finally went down and he had to rely on him. Ausberry zzzz. Jones zzzz. Criner/Streater zzzz.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Such a cheery bunch on gameday, lol.

    Never bet against a man playing for his “legacy”

  • MiamiRaider78

    The real question should be,if it’s not Palmer next year, then who would replace him?

    I’m fine with Palmer…get the golden haired gun slinger a running game and hope the defense improves next year.

  • ChrisinNC

    We could have Jamarcus behind center and JFB would excitedly proclaim us to smash the Packers. So predictably hilarious.

    Some folks just don’t have it in em to put on the reality shades. Gotta stay wrapped up in the delusions.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Chico predicting another 30+ points from Knapp’s offense?!
    Tsk tsk tsk. Some people never learn.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Stewart came in and IMMEDIATELY showed he is a better option than Taiwan.

    He earned his spot on the depth chart, as did Taiwan.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Bengals 38-45
    Raiders 10-17

    That could be even the score at end of the 3rd :O

  • Just Fire Baby

    We could have Jamarcus behind center and JFB would excitedly proclaim us to smash the Packers

    *****************************

    Uhh…Apparently you weren’t around during the OfftheMarcus era.

    I did no such things.

  • ChrisinNC

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 9:08 am
    Such a cheery bunch on gameday, lol.

    Never bet against a man playing for his “legacy”

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    Haha. Cause we’ve seen Palmer making stops on defense. And keeping teams from running up the score. Teams that couldn’t score 10 on the Chiefs scoring 50+ on us. Remind me: What position does he play again, JFB?

  • MiamiRaider78

    lol @ chico.

    Thats what the black boys in Miami call us latinos, especially on the basketball court.

  • DJ Johnny

    This is proclaimed “Legacy Game” cuz guys know Palmer is up against it BIG TIME. 3rd string rb, sub par o-line, receivers not on same page, and historically bad defense to back him up.

    Alot of guys here are salivating at the chance to hammer Palmer cuz it looks good for their cause, knowing the chances of winning today are so slim.

    If this looked like a game we would win, everyone would be downplaying the Palmer factor.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Once upon a time I knew what to expect from the Raiders on Sunday. These days they can lose by 27 or win by 2.

    #commitment to nothing

  • ChrisinNC

    Raider O Says:
    November 25th, 2012 at 9:09 am
    Chico predicting another 30+ points from Knapp’s offense?!
    Tsk tsk tsk. Some people never learn.

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    That’s what’s so hilarious. Regardless of how trashy and in shambles the O looks, you still have those outliers swearing we’re gonna run wild. Like I said, some folks just can’t call a spade a spade.