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Grading the Raiders off their game vs. Bengals

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Beat writer Jerry McDonald graded the Raiders based on their performance against the Cincinnati Bengals in a 34-10 loss Sunday. Here is his report card:

Pass offense
Carson Palmer (19-for-34, 146 yards, 1 TD, 1 interception) was under 200 yards for the first time in 16 games. The Bengals pass rush kept him from going to his wide receivers with any success, other than one completion to Denarius Moore for a 20-yard touchdown. Downfield passing was not an option.
Grade: D

Run offense
Marcel Reece had 74 yards on 15 carries and Jeremy Stewart had 26 yards on seven attempts. As it was, Oakland had 73 yards rushing in the second half, even though it trailed 24-0. Owen Schmitt got stuffed for a 1-yard loss on fourth-and-1 from the Cincinnati 45 in the first half.
Grade: C

Pass defense
Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton was 16 of 30 for 216 yards, doing most of his damage (13 of 20, 151 yards, 2 TDs) in the first half. The Raiders had no interceptions, and other than the third quarter, were fairly easy to exploit as they concentrated on WR A.J. Green, who still had three catches for 111 yards.
Grade: D

Run defense
BenJarvis Green-Ellis ripped off runs of 48 and 39 yards that set up touchdowns, finishing with 19 carries for 129 yards and a 1-yard score. Cedric Peerman had 61 yards on eight carries with a 31-yard run. Green ran 20 yards on a reverse. Those four carries accounted for 138 yards. The 30 other runs netted 83 yards.
Grade: D

Special teams
Sebastian Janikowski kicked a 55-yard field goal with plenty to spare on his only attempt. Punter Shane Lechler put three punts inside the 20-yard line and had a 42.0 net. There was nothing of consequence in the return game by either side. Grade: C

Coaching
The Raiders finally made some decent halftime adjustments, outscoring Cincinnati 10-0 in the third quarter and forcing the Bengals to four three-and-outs on defense. The first half, however, was a disaster on both sides of the ball. The Raiders were either unprepared for what they saw or not adequately motivated in terms of energy.
Grade: D

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  • hwnrdr

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
    hwnrdr Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    Well, hey…good news…DMac targeted for return this week!

    +++++++

    Certainly missed him dancing around behind the LOS and looking for the wide open hole you can drive a mack truck through instead of making his cut and running decisively.

    (Really really over DMac if you couldn’t tell)

    LOL, I know man…sarcasm!

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Dakota Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    McFadden20,

    Just ignore his BS. We all see it for what it is…..but you are getting a little obsessed with HIM as well.

    Let it go….scroll past his posts….we already have to spend time scrolling past his BS, and now we have to scroll past your reposts of his posts!

    +++++++++++

    Agreed, Dakota

    I like you, McFadden20, but the best thing to do with guys like Mistic is to ignore them, ESPECIALLY when they’re not even around.

  • mcfadden20.

    Dakota Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:53 pm

    McFadden20,

    Just ignore his BS. We all see it for what it is…..but you are getting a little obsessed with HIM as well.

    Let it go….scroll past his posts….we already have to spend time scrolling past his BS, and now we have to scroll past your reposts of his posts!

    Forget him and concentrate on other topics….like the fact that Dennis Allen has not improved this team much, if at all.

    — But funny thing is they think Raiderdebo is different poster and they keep talking about Palmer (which he loves) with him

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Haha, Hwnrdr, my bad. Missed it!

  • hwnrdr

    PA, true on that post of Ron Rivera!

  • mcfadden20.

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:54 pm

    Dakota Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
    McFadden20,

    Just ignore his BS. We all see it for what it is…..but you are getting a little obsessed with HIM as well.

    Let it go….scroll past his posts….we already have to spend time scrolling past his BS, and now we have to scroll past your reposts of his posts!

    +++++++++++

    Agreed, Dakota

    I like you, McFadden20, but the best thing to do with guys like Mistic is to ignore them, ESPECIALLY when they’re not even around.

    I ignore him , i don’t give him time of the day with Palmer talk , i like to bring up his lovers JC and others and he don’t want to do anything with them so he just leave lol

  • Defensive tackle Domata Peko said the Bengals’ game plan was born from many years of practicing against Palmer.

    “That was one of the keys to our game plan, to get pressure on him,” Peko said. “Because we knew when he has people in his face, he tends to overthrow balls and whatnot.”

    Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/article/Cincinnati-shows-Carson-Palmer-no-love-4065633.php#ixzz2DMtNYAAf

  • inonewordraider

    Reggie was more pissed off about duncan hines goin out of business, Mark was to high off candy to give a schit

  • Dakota

    This is why sometimes we just have to talk about the problems in the Middle East!

  • hwnrdr

    So I guess all DA said was that we all have a job to do and we all got to be accountable to do our job!
    Huh?

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Here we are debating whether this is the worst Raider team ever and whether the coaching staff should be fired.

    It’s debatable whether this is the worst Raider team EVER – but it’s NOT debatable that this team STINKS.

    No one (or hardly anyone) thinks the UDDER FAILURE is doing a good job.

    There is agreement that the personnel stinks, but there’s also a consensus that Titty Boy and his Krappy staff are NOT maximizing production or preparation – thus, the weekly blowouts we endure.

    That’s where we are.

    Where do we go from here ?

    Stick with Titty Boy and his brain dead Krapp staff ?

    Who feels confident that Tits and his Krapp staff will succeed with a revamped roster ?

    Stick with Tits and Krapp bcz we don’t want to appear to be dysfunctional or bcz a quality coach won’t come here ?

    Hey, if you think Titty Boy and Krapp can get it done with better players – I’ll accept that as a reason to retain them.

    But if you want to retain Tits out of a fear of being labeled ‘dysfunctional’ or if you believe that there aren’t quality coaches that would relish the opportunity to coach an NFL team (even if it is the lowly Raiders) – then YOU’RE the one that is dysfunctional – and I guarantee you that the ‘woe is me’ and ‘can’t do’ mindset will doom this franchise to perpetual FAILURE.

    Can’t be scared of change when the status quo is unacceptable.

    RAIDER ON.

  • MarcusAllen

    From CSN Bayarea Raiders:

    From Elias and ESPN: the 169 points the Raiders have surrendered over their last four games is the second-highest four-game total in the NFL since the 1970 merger, behind only the 2004 Tennessee Titans, who gave up 177 points in a four-game stretch.

    For the first time in franchise history, the Raiders have lost three straight games by at least 21 points.

    Said Dalton: “They were doing the same thing the whole time with certain formations, certain things. We felt like we liked the matchups that we had…”

    Palmer was sacked four times, including twice on the Raiders’ opening possession. He threw an interception. He lost a fumble….”

    “I think it had a lot to do with the rush,” said Raiders coach Dennis Allen as he headed out to see if his pay check cleared.

  • RaiderDebo

    DJ Johnny Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
    If we all sign a petition acknowledging Debo’s and Mistic’s opinion on Palmer..that we fully understand where they stand on it, will it stop?

    I’m sick of the endless back and forth on that issue.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Can’t speak for Mistic, but I’m not interested in your “full understanding” about where I stand on Carson Palmer. Just admit the the trade was an epic bust that has set the franchise back and that we need a new QB, and I promise you won’t see me address a post to you on the subject again. Deal??

  • KK the Stooge, can you name 1 QB that doesn’t make erratic throws with pressure in his face ?
    ______

    KoolKell Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:55 pm

    “That was one of the keys to our game plan, to get pressure on him,” Peko said. “Because we knew when he has people in his face, he tends to overthrow balls and whatnot.”

  • I ignore him , i don’t give him time of the day with Palmer talk , i like to bring up his lovers JC and others and he don’t want to do anything with them so he just leave lol
    ———————-
    Stfu and take Dakota’s advice.

  • inonewordraider

    dez bryant should threw some body punches at dennis allen

  • mcfadden20.

    Why is it always with you guys the problem is coaching? How many coaches have Al changed in last 25 years? how many of them have been successful ? Gruden?? lmao , why is it always the coaching? maybe it’s the freaking talent level , or the players are not brought into play their real positions, remember Sapp at END experience? remember Brayton drafted in 1st rd and tried out at OLB in 3-4, remember McClain came from 3-4 alabama, Seymour came from 3-4 Pats, Houston was a DT at Texas , list is too long of dumb decisions and you guys think it’s all coaches fault?

  • Dakota Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:47 pm

    Marginal talent + bad coaching + cap hell + no draft picks = 2012 Oakland Raiders.
    ….

    Amen…

  • RaiderDebo

    MarcusAllen Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    From CSN Bayarea Raiders:

    From Elias and ESPN: the 169 points the Raiders have surrendered over their last four games is the second-highest four-game total in the NFL since the 1970 merger, behind only the 2004 Tennessee Titans, who gave up 177 points in a four-game stretch.

    For the first time in franchise history, the Raiders have lost three straight games by at least 21 points.

    Said Dalton: “They were doing the same thing the whole time with certain formations, certain things. We felt like we liked the matchups that we had…”

    Palmer was sacked four times, including twice on the Raiders’ opening possession. He threw an interception. He lost a fumble….”

    “I think it had a lot to do with the rush,” said Raiders coach Dennis Allen as he headed out to see if his pay check cleared.
    @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

    Wow! Dennis Allen the “check casher”! This marks the 1st time a white guy has been lablled with that designation in blog history. Baby steps.

  • SaintKaufman

    It’s the most
    wonderful time
    of the year

    🙂

  • DutchRaider77

    @mcfadden20

    Isn’t this a whole new coaching rant?

    In the past the coaches had the crutch that they were only doing what AD told them to do. That they were puppets? Without the authority to hold the player accountable?

    Kinda crazy…modern scheme, coaches with full vested authority and could be an all new low for the franchise.

  • inonewordraider

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    Why is it always with you guys the problem is coaching? How many coaches have Al changed in last 25 years? how many of them have been successful ? Gruden?? lmao , why is it always the coaching? maybe it’s the freaking talent level , or the players are not brought into play their real positions, remember Sapp at END experience? remember Brayton drafted in 1st rd and tried out at OLB in 3-4, remember McClain came from 3-4 alabama, Seymour came from 3-4 Pats, Houston was a DT at Texas , list is too long of dumb decisions and you guys think it’s all coaches fault?
    ___________
    because this same team was 8-8 last year and the year before

  • mcfadden20.

    Pitts draft players from 3-4 D’s and fit them in their natural positions, while Al just drafted players in hopes of getting recreating Dave Casper, which ever that guy was who successfully converted from Half back to TE, he drafts players from 3-4 Ds and put them in 4-3 , he signs mega contract players (SAPP) to play in 3-4 , trades for (Moss) in unstable situations, when it’s proven the guys head isn’t in the game when things aren’t going well

  • inonewordraider

    “they’re losers again”

    -tom cable

  • “RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:01 pm

    Vic Tafur‏@VicTafur

    Allen didn’t say much at halftime — “the players took control” — and Carson Palmer told teammates “flat” performance was “unacceptable”

    ————————-
    So the players have stopped listening to DA. Let Palmer coach the O”

    This is the type of leadership Palmer brings to our team and the reason the coaches like him so much. This is the reason he will be back next year as a Captain and lead a fresh new group of young guys.

    I love Palmer and I am glad he will be here next year!!

  • mcfadden20.

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    @mcfadden20

    Isn’t this a whole new coaching rant?

    In the past the coaches had the crutch that they were only doing what AD told them to do. That they were puppets? Without the authority to hold the player accountable?

    Kinda crazy…modern scheme, coaches with full vested authority and could be an all new low for the franchise.

    Still doesn’t mean that all could be fixed, still doesn’t mean we could convert to 3-4 to play the guys he invested in McClain, Seymour in their natural players, still didn’t mean we could get rid of all the dead weight in just 1 year, didn’t mean all of a sudden we had cap room or more draft picks

  • Dakota

    But if you want to retain Tits out of a fear of being labeled ‘dysfunctional’ or if you believe that there aren’t quality coaches that would relish the opportunity to coach an NFL team (even if it is the lowly Raiders) – then YOU’RE the one that is dysfunctional – and I guarantee you that the ‘woe is me’ and ‘can’t do’ mindset will doom this franchise to perpetual FAILURE.

    +++++++++++++++++

    It is not even debatable that this franchise is viewed as dysfunction by the media, many Raider fans, all other NFL fans, many NFL players (Seymour went to Bilicheats house and fell to his knees and begged not to be traded here) and within the coaching community as evidenced by many coaches saying no to the job….the limited list of coaching candidates Reggie had to work with last year….and the low quality assistant coaches who we had to settle for this year and in year’s past.

    That stuff simply is not debatable.

    However, the other thing that is also crystal clear is that even one of the prior coaching slugs we may have to settle for due to said franchise dysfunction, like a Jim Fassel or Kevin Gilbride, would still likely be an upgrade over Dennis Allen….it simply cannot get worse than what we are seeing right now…..so far this coaching staff is making the Cable coaching staff look like geniuses, and that is very hard to do. And everyone knows I was not a Cable fan.

    Dennis Allen looks the part (aside from the t1tties), and he talked the part, but based solely on the product he is sending out onto the field every weekend, it is clear that the reports of him having the “it” factor were greatly exaggerated.

  • mcfadden20.

    inonewordraider Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 2:03 pm

    mcfadden20. Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
    Why is it always with you guys the problem is coaching? How many coaches have Al changed in last 25 years? how many of them have been successful ? Gruden?? lmao , why is it always the coaching? maybe it’s the freaking talent level , or the players are not brought into play their real positions, remember Sapp at END experience? remember Brayton drafted in 1st rd and tried out at OLB in 3-4, remember McClain came from 3-4 alabama, Seymour came from 3-4 Pats, Houston was a DT at Texas , list is too long of dumb decisions and you guys think it’s all coaches fault?
    ___________
    because this same team was 8-8 last year and the year before

    I would believe they would go 8-8 again facing the same schedule , maybe a win less due to regression in OC coach , and DL = passrush

  • RAIDERMAN99

    Dakota Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
    This is why sometimes we just have to talk about the problems in the Middle East!
    ===========================================
    The problems in the ME might be unsolvable.

    The problems with the Raiders are not.

    You want to know how fk’d up the ME is ?

    The Raids are an easy fix in comparison.

  • Dakota

    dysfunctional***

  • mcfadden20.

    You guys just like change for the sake of change, keep changing Coaches year after year, it might be possible that next year we might make playoffs, by having good FA and Draft, getting rid of under-performers and hiring a better OC, but all you guys will neglect all that and boast about it like it was all the result of coaching staff

  • MarcusAllen

    Raiderdebo – I’m color blind.

    ‘check casher’ applies to anyone accepting pay without A. Working for it or B. consistently failing to produce the desired results.

    You really need to take a break from viewing the world in terms of race.

    There’s plenty of opportunity to amaze everyone with wit instead of racial hate. besides thats old and mostly just boring.

  • KK you are pretty quiet about Reggie’s record as GM.

    Purely race related?

    3-13

  • inonewordraider

    I would believe they would go 8-8 again facing the same schedule , maybe a win less due to regression in OC coach , and DL = passrush
    ____________
    do we need an edge rusher, yes, but we have the offensive weapons (palmer, dmac, reece, dhb, moore, myers, ausberry, wiz, veldheer) and enough guys on d (houston, bryant, kelly, burris, wheeler, huff, bartell) to at least not get blown out. Look at the st louis, Miami, Minnesota and Seattle. How much better is the talent on the those teams?

  • Al_is_theraiders

    his “it” factor….”it” gives us a great chance of beating the raiders now that DA is there…

  • Dakota

    I do have some good news guys…..

    ….I am dominating the blog’s FF league.

  • kokomo

    I was listening to Papa on 95.7. He feels/thinks we haven’t seen any of the major gutting done just yet. The entire roster will be gutted his offseason. His view: we are due to pay DHB – $7.7M, DMAC – close to $6M, Seymour – $7.5M, Kelly – $6.5M, Palmer – $13M, Sea Bass – $3.8M, Huff – $4M, Briesel – $4.35M. Do we pay all these players this much or we restructure a paycut or we cut and get new players? Unreal to see the salaries for such players being so high

  • When Allen asked if there was any possibility of playing Pryor, he said “It’s been discussed.” That was the most revealing thing in the press conference.

  • DutchRaider77

    286.Dakota Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
    I do have some good news guys…..

    ….I am dominating the blog’s FF league.

    _______________________________________________________

    Not a lot of Raider players on your roster?

  • DutchRaider77

    Briesel – $4.35M
    _____________________________________________________

    Lord, what happened to this guy? He was injured on the Texans and they didn’t bring him back? Could that be the reson for his stellar play? Never overcame his injury?

  • inonewordraider

    “ten and then” might not be so bad after all

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    I guess old fool kell will have to cancel his many real estate meetings friday to hear big dummys pc,..just like he had to cancel all his open houses and whatnot today so he could be on the couch for Dennis`s pc. Hey old man kell, when I was at Remax in San Jose, I never had less then 300 listings at one time. I shared a lot of them but never did the listings number ever get under 300. You are no realtor dude, realtors dont sit at home to watch a head coach of a 3-8 football team answer softball questions…get some listings, close some of them…is Dennis Allen really more important to you then your real estate career?…..sad.

  • John David Booty

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    You guys just like change for the sake of change, keep changing Coaches year after year, it might be possible that next year we might make playoffs, by having good FA and Draft, getting rid of under-performers and hiring a better OC, but all you guys will neglect all that and boast about it like it was all the result of coaching staff
    ——————————————–
    Do you think Dennis Allen is doing a good coaching job?

  • inonewordraider

    Lord, what happened to this guy? He was injured on the Texans and they didn’t bring him back? Could that be the reson for his stellar play? Never overcame his injury?
    ____________
    could be, i have still have hope for shaughnessey the guy looked MUCH better b4 the injury takes some guys a little longer to recover

  • “I do have some good news guys…..

    ….I am dominating the blog’s FF league.”

    Yes its true he just beat the shlt out of me this weekend

  • Plunketthead

    You are only a couple points ahead of me and you stand in the way of the slim hopes of making the playoffs which I deserve.

    Chalk up another loss for you

  • RAIDERMAN99

    I’m pretty sure the people who claimed the UDDER FAILURE has the ‘it’ factor just dropped a letter or two.

    There’s definitely the tit factor.

    Can’t deny the sh it factor.

    That’s ‘it’.

  • oakfoshow

    281.mcfadden20. Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
    You guys just like change for the sake of change, keep changing Coaches year after year, it might be possible that next year we might make playoffs, by having good FA and Draft, getting rid of under-performers and hiring a better OC, but all you guys will neglect all that and boast about it like it was all the result of coaching staff

    You are the dumbest bastrd I never met.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    The prob isnt Dennis Allen,..its the idiot who hired him, then allowed hm to hire whomever. Dennis Allen hired Tarver without ever meeting him. Big dummy ok`d it. True story.

  • Dakota

    I keep seeing David Shaw’s name bandied around here as a possible HC candidate if Reggie cans DA. Didn’t David Shaw witness firsthand what the Raiders are like when he was working for the Raiders and watched them fire his Dad, Willie Shaw?

    Willie Shaw to the Raiders’ defense from almost last in the NFL to about 5th, and then got fired didn’t he? Do you suppose there might be some bad blood there?