Raiders-Bengals postgame thoughts, observations


Tried a new approach this time, waiting awhile after the Raiders played before putting pen to paper, so to speak. As it turns out, there is no putting a positive spin on the latest debacle, this one a 34-10 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.
In the process, the Raiders droppd to 3-8 and invited comparisons to the 2006 and 1997 Raiders teams that many remember as among the least successful.
They also are relegated to competing for a wild-card berth, as silly as that might sound, given they no longer can win a two-way tie with the Denver Broncos for the AFC West title. The Broncos improved to 8-3 and look light years better than the Raiders right now.
The Colts (7-4), Bengals (6-5) and Steelers (6-5) are the teams in the lead for the two wild-card spots in the AFC Playoffs.
Given that, we got a pretty good look today at just how far away the Raiders are from being a playoff-caliber team.
The Bengals jumped to a 24-0 halftime lead, coasted through the third period, survived a brief scare and pulled away for a convincing victory.
Cincinnati’s offensive and defensive lines outplayed their Oakland counterparts, Andy Dalton was more efficient that Carson Palmer at quarterback and, really, what else matters?

— Coach Dennis Allen speaks with the media Monday at 1 p.m. in his weekly news conference.
The interview everyone is eager to hear and read is the one scheduled Friday with general manager Reggie McKenzie.
It should be interesting to hear what McKenzie has to say on the heels of his team’s fourth straight loss, with the coach he fired on the opposing sideline Sunday high-fiving his new players, and the Raiders far less competitive this season than they were when he assumed the new role in January.

— The Raiders have allowed 169 points the past four games. Their point differential on the season is minus-138, two points better than the league-worst Chiefs.

— Not sure if many people noticed, but Bengals cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick recorded one tackle. He is the player the Bengals selected with the first-round pick they received from the Raiders as part of the compensation for trading Palmer last season.
Coincidentally, Jackson now is coaching Kirkpatrick. Jackson, of course, is the one that engineered the trade for Palmer. The Raiders also owe the Bengals their 2013 second-round pick as part of the deal.

— Rookie Tony Bergstrom got some more playing time Sunday. It figures to benefit him heading into next season, when he will be a candidate for a starting spot somewhere on the line.
On one play, Bergstrom was unable to keep up with a Bengals defender that got to Palmer.

— Palmer attempted eight passes for wide receivers Darrius Heyward-Bey and Denarius Moore. The only one that resulted in a reception came on a touchdown to Moore late in the game.
Heyward-Bey dropped a perfect pass on one throw, and Moore had at least one that seemed catchable.
On the bright side, rookie receiver Juron Criner caught three of the five passes thrown his way.

— Linebacker Philip Wheeler and defensive end Matt Shaughnessy recorded one sack each for the Raiders. That gives the Raiders 13 on the season, 3 1/2 fewer than 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith.

— Still don’t understand the rule where the Bengals lost a fumble, the Raiders recovered, everyone agreed on both, yet because of an inadvertent whistle by the officials the Bengals were allowed to choose between taking the result of the play or replaying the down.
Fortunately for the Raiders, it didn’t cost them the game. It did cost them a chance to get back in the game and have an outside shot at a comeback. They deserved that chance.
Look for this rule to be one of several that gets changed in the offseason.


Steve Corkran

  • raiderjhawk

    thanks guest, glad you agree

  • guest123

    hwnrdr Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
    Fugly…Sam Cassell is coming? Ok, just kidding…
    However, I will NEVER wear a paper bag!


    better to wear a paper bag than a Bucs hat!

  • DMAC

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 12:11 pm

    Marc trestman, chip kelly.

    these are two names high on my list

    Thoughts on Shaw
    I think he could be the man for the job
    Like Kelly 2

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    people killed hu jack for a perceived lack of discipline

    now those same folks give allen a pass?!?!

    still getting dumb penalites personal fouls and blown assignmnets.

    Whats more troubling is that most of the personal fouls and assignments issues are on the defnsive side of the ball

    Isnt that allens area of expertise?

    Allen was a bad hire, big mack will take his head if this contnues to happen.

    Clearly he is worse than Bresnahan and that is a mouthful

    this defense has been historically bad

    are you davis haters happy?

    do you miss press man yet?

  • mcfadden20.

    New post

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Mock drafts have geno going first overall to the queefs…… DEAR GOD NO!!!!

    That is unless tp6 is our guy next year, then we would be treated to this match up twice a year.

  • Marks hair

    A lot of teams are 5 players short of being decent on offense bow has plenty of choices…. but wait.. our d and coaches stink too.. nope no bowe

  • omoran

    Raider(since) 1967
    DUDE- Its amazing and totaly unbelievable that a team like the Oakland Raiders can have a 10 year losing streak!
    Ten years of missery, and not to say everything that has happen to us.From the Tuck rule ,losing games because officials or stupid penalties or unable to close games out! 100 loses.
    THAT-this is happening to us, the Prince of Darkness and the
    Most beautiful team of all is a total NIGHTMARE!

  • omoran

    We need to get people over to REGGIE and MARK DAVIS
    This Team has been a Total failure in the NFL LEAGUE!

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    actually no one is gonna come here if da remains, he treats his players like kids…these are grown men…===

    Before free agency, Al Davis treated players like men with generally good results. Doesn’t seem to work that way anymore. Now you have to wait until the men become obvious, then you treat them as such.

  • Silver_K

    Rewinding the tape, when Reggie McKenzie came to OakLand it was all about changing the culture.

    What happened?

    We brought in Denise Allen . Smart, up beat maverick, where is the beef?

    From day one, we have been far from a well oiled machine . Hot , cold all year long. In flashes we have shown we can hang with the big teams, The Texans, The Falcons and so on, then we loose and or struggle with the weaker teams.

    At Cincinnati, in sum, what I’ve seen is a lack of vision in the players. I’m pretty sure both McKenzie and Alen have vision and a few players here and there notably Reece, Palmer and Buris.

    Say all you want about discipline and Talent, don’t get me wrong, they are important, but without vision they are fleeting .

  • TerrapinRaider

    Typical fan reaction when nothing is going well: Blame everyone, cut everyone.

    Take a step back. Palmer, DHB, Moore, DMC, Reece and a whole bunch of players were on the up-n-up last year. You could see their potential and they were performing better and better. This year, it all stopped (save Palmer …and Reece to an extent, he’s still not used right). So what has really changed from last year to this year?? COACHES IDIOTS!!! ITS ALL ABOUT THE COACHES!!! (And possibly management ..i.e. GM …but the coaches have the direct and immediate impact on these players on the field).

    Thats you key. Thats your problem. Its not the players so much as it is the change of coaches. The whole lott needs to be fired. We HAD one of the best coaching staffs on offense in the league last year and this idiot DA (and Reggie) blew the whole thing up!!! Thes guys don’t know what the fuk they are doing. Why are you so anxious to give them another shot next year?? So we can have some continuity? Thats the craziest, stupidest argument I have EVER heard. You’ll suffer another year of horrific play just to have some continutity (sucking). Think about that will you?

  • TerrapinRaider

    Last year DHB became our most productive WR. This year he seems to have regressed.

    Last year Moore was viewed as the next best thing, running routes with precision and becoming a dynamic deep threat player. This year he can’t even get on the same page.

    Last year DMC was one of the best RBs in the league with the stats to prove it. This year he can’t even sniff 4ypc.

    Lil Wiz was viewed as the next Wiz and the OL was looking more and more SOLID for years to come. This year Wiz is having issues nad the OL is in shambles.

    I can go on and on …the only thing that has changed is the coaches (and management). These boys are moving this club drastically in the wrong direction. They are the ones that need to be cut. MARK DAVIS OPEN YOUR EYES MAN!!! THESE BOYZ ARE CON-ARTIST. THEY KNOW NOT WHAT THEY ARE DOING. THEY CAN ONLY TALK A GOOD GAME. THE PROOF IS ON THE FIELD.

  • raiderzmaverick

    Moore and Palmer still aren’t co for table in the new offense. Aren’t on the same page means not sure what they’re supposed to do in different situations.

    O line looks a hello a lot worse. DMAC suddenly playing worse than he ever has.

    When every single player regresses its the coaches to blame.

    Defense produced sacks in the past. What changed except the coaching staff?

  • DaRaiders022

    Marks hair Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 8:51 am
    Watching the Raiders is like coming home to your family after working hard all week.. long tough hours.. and you sit down for Sunday dinner and your wife just takes a steaming pile of shìt on your plate and you have to smile and eat it because you’re that fùcking loyal..

    This is fu**in funny! But it relates to how loyal and disgusted Raider fans have become!

  • DaRaiders022

    The drops by DHB were just pathetic! Dude is another one to add to the BUST list! Dude couldn’t catch a fuc**n pass with Gorilla Glue on his fuc**n hands!

  • DaRaiders022

    After watching the Panthers last night, looks they are going to hand the Raiders another East Coast Ass Whoopin! Cyanide please!!!!