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Raiders-Bengals postgame thoughts, observations

Tried a new approach this time, waiting awhile after the Raiders played before putting pen to paper, so to speak. As it turns out, there is no putting a positive spin on the latest debacle, this one a 34-10 loss to the Cincinnati Bengals.
In the process, the Raiders droppd to 3-8 and invited comparisons to the 2006 and 1997 Raiders teams that many remember as among the least successful.
They also are relegated to competing for a wild-card berth, as silly as that might sound, given they no longer can win a two-way tie with the Denver Broncos for the AFC West title. The Broncos improved to 8-3 and look light years better than the Raiders right now.
The Colts (7-4), Bengals (6-5) and Steelers (6-5) are the teams in the lead for the two wild-card spots in the AFC Playoffs.
Given that, we got a pretty good look today at just how far away the Raiders are from being a playoff-caliber team.
The Bengals jumped to a 24-0 halftime lead, coasted through the third period, survived a brief scare and pulled away for a convincing victory.
Cincinnati’s offensive and defensive lines outplayed their Oakland counterparts, Andy Dalton was more efficient that Carson Palmer at quarterback and, really, what else matters?

– Coach Dennis Allen speaks with the media Monday at 1 p.m. in his weekly news conference.
The interview everyone is eager to hear and read is the one scheduled Friday with general manager Reggie McKenzie.
It should be interesting to hear what McKenzie has to say on the heels of his team’s fourth straight loss, with the coach he fired on the opposing sideline Sunday high-fiving his new players, and the Raiders far less competitive this season than they were when he assumed the new role in January.

– The Raiders have allowed 169 points the past four games. Their point differential on the season is minus-138, two points better than the league-worst Chiefs.

– Not sure if many people noticed, but Bengals cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick recorded one tackle. He is the player the Bengals selected with the first-round pick they received from the Raiders as part of the compensation for trading Palmer last season.
Coincidentally, Jackson now is coaching Kirkpatrick. Jackson, of course, is the one that engineered the trade for Palmer. The Raiders also owe the Bengals their 2013 second-round pick as part of the deal.

– Rookie Tony Bergstrom got some more playing time Sunday. It figures to benefit him heading into next season, when he will be a candidate for a starting spot somewhere on the line.
On one play, Bergstrom was unable to keep up with a Bengals defender that got to Palmer.

– Palmer attempted eight passes for wide receivers Darrius Heyward-Bey and Denarius Moore. The only one that resulted in a reception came on a touchdown to Moore late in the game.
Heyward-Bey dropped a perfect pass on one throw, and Moore had at least one that seemed catchable.
On the bright side, rookie receiver Juron Criner caught three of the five passes thrown his way.

– Linebacker Philip Wheeler and defensive end Matt Shaughnessy recorded one sack each for the Raiders. That gives the Raiders 13 on the season, 3 1/2 fewer than 49ers linebacker Aldon Smith.

– Still don’t understand the rule where the Bengals lost a fumble, the Raiders recovered, everyone agreed on both, yet because of an inadvertent whistle by the officials the Bengals were allowed to choose between taking the result of the play or replaying the down.
Huh?
Fortunately for the Raiders, it didn’t cost them the game. It did cost them a chance to get back in the game and have an outside shot at a comeback. They deserved that chance.
Look for this rule to be one of several that gets changed in the offseason.

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  • DutchRaider77

    Start Pryor, pick-up up a couple receivers from the lingerie league and maybe one of those bench-pressing chimpanzees to play defense.

    Because if we are going to be the laughing stock of the league, we might as well embrace it and run with it.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    “No it means they are waiting to see if DA, Knapp, or Tarver get axed. Maybe even Reggie. Palmer isn’t sitting!”

    Yeah I did not think of that one thanks

  • 2romes

    Norv Turner back in Oakland are kidding me!!Someone wants to recycle and old Raider HC and make him an Raider OC. I don’t envision Norv helping this team. They are suppose to have better talent on the Chargers and he can’t get them over the hump and he has been there for years.

    Last year the Raiders made it an interesting up until the last game of the regular season.It was an exciting season with hope for the future. Now, this season some Raiders fan were telling us to be patient 4 game into the season because of inept coach and player coordination constructed by Reggie. They tell the Raider fans 8-8 for two seasons is easy to come by.They want us to believe a respectable Raiders team with Hue was all smoke and mirrors. What magic will they drum up to sway us that failure in all aspect of the game today is in the best interest of the Raiders future?

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    Check the calibre of teams the Raiders are playing this year vs last 2 yrs. This was pointed out in detail yesterday.

    DA and his staff are junk to be sure. No crime if they are fired at years end.

    But to think a team with THIS roster is anything but junk is optimistic.

    Kam Wimbley was gettin $11M. Routt was gettin $20M. Not to mention bloated paychecks to Carson, Seymour, Kelly, Huff and Branch (that one is on Reg).

    You can’t make any free agent moves! You can’t get difference makers. Fortunately for the Raiders, it was easy to jettison Routt (out of the league) and Wimbley (role player with 1 pass rush move) and not bat an eye.

    Get real! This roster is one of the worst in the league and there is no smoke and mirrors THIS YEAR to cover up the mess.

  • DMAC

    Yes, I’m a Gio fan, but he really shouldn’t be seeing the field so much. He’s a back up and should ONLY be on the field as a back up.
    WTF were they thinking, when they axed Lee and moved Huff to corner?

  • omoran

    Raider (since) 1967
    ****************
    Some of you Dudes think the NFL DRAFT is going go safe our WORLD in OAKLAND ,well NOT SO FAST, NOT SO FAST!
    OTHERS- call for MANTI TEO-( ND) like the MASIAH.
    Then when those kids get hurt or break something its over.,
    We call them names and they get acustom of LOW RAIDERS LAZY ATTITUDE and then when they figure out they are paid and rich they don’t play and they are always like A McFadden, Taiwan,Seymore and others.

  • http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders Silverandblack666

    I lost a lot of money yesterday it was a strange week for betting. I have been kicking ass all year then BAM I lost almost everything I bet yesterday.

    That game last night didn’t go over it sat at 48 points all 4th quarter killed me and my parlays yesterday!

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    If I was in charge (which I’m not)..- would have brought in Gilbride from the Giants.

    He’s making Kevin Boothe have a productive career.

  • DutchRaider77

    308.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:04 am
    If I was in charge (which I’m not)..- would have brought in Gilbride from the Giants.

    He’s making Kevin Boothe have a productive career.

    _______________________________________________________

    I thought the only reason that Kevin Boothe was let go was b/c he didn’t fit the ZBS? He is a big dude and the ZBS guards are smaller and quick?

  • omoran

    Raider( since) 1967
    ****************
    Don’t count only on the DRAFT, NO!
    If you do we going to see these KIDS
    LIKE- THE CAT THAT ATE THE CANARY!

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Reggie should be sweeping a barbershop with KK.

    Record as GM
    3-13

  • Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure

    RaiderDuck Says: I WOULD post the name of the other board, but my posts are erased when I do so.========

    SandBPride, Tafurs, CBS Sports, Bleacher report, who?

  • http://www.GodIsImaginary.com RaiderDuck

    Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:12 am
    RaiderDuck Says: I WOULD post the name of the other board, but my posts are erased when I do so.========

    SandBPride, Tafurs, CBS Sports, Bleacher report, who?

    =============================================

    Let’s try it this way and see if they erase the post:

    raider
    fans
    dot
    net

  • CanuckRaider

    It’s criminal that a league worth billions can’t supply competent officiating…The screw job against Detroit on Turkey Day then horrible calls against us two series in a row yesterday…We should have been down 7 pts (or 4 if we got a FG the series before) with over 7 mins left on the clock…Those bonehead refs ruined what should have been a barn-burner finish.

  • DMAC

    Didn’t I tell ya’ll, Raiders were better off playing w/ the replacements refs.

  • hwnrdr

    Yup, that one uusally disappers on me too!

  • Kirk

    Criner is out best wide receiver.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    W’s off until Thursday?

    WTF

    1/2 game out of 1st place and looking down on the Lake show….it’s a great time out….MF’er!

  • CanuckRaider

    #315: Right you are DMAC…and to think these tools held out for more money…CFL refs are just as good…and that’s really bad.

  • DMAC

    Yeah I know we’ve moved along, but………

    What if Huey was brought back for another season, w/ his own DC?

    What would the season look like 2day??

    I doubt we would be 3-7 or whatever we are.

  • DMAC

    You guys see Dez Bryant throwing body blows????
    lol

  • hwnrdr

    Not sure if we would have been too much better DMAC…

  • inonewordraider

    according to sources Dennis Allen will be released today and will be replaced by OC Greg Knapp

    @victafur
    2mins ago

  • DMAC

    hwnrdr Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Not sure if we would have been too much better DMAC…
    =======

    Really??
    I don’t know about that1

  • DMAC

    inonewordraider Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    according to sources Dennis Allen will be released today and will be replaced by OC Greg Knapp

    @victafur
    2mins ago
    ========

    WTF???

  • omoran

    Raider (since) 1967
    ★★★★★★★★★★
    Reggie and Allen
    If we keep KNAPP for

    2 Yrs -0-32 loses

  • DMAC

    Knapp = The DMAC Killer!!!!!

  • inonewordraider

    just effin with ya’ll, imagine?

  • hwnrdr

    DMAC Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am
    hwnrdr Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Not sure if we would have been too much better DMAC…
    =======

    Really??
    I don’t know about that1

    We had an exciting team but they were never really that good as advertised! I mean…would Reggie still would have made cuts to save cap?

  • No Mas Diamante

    Kirk Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:18 am
    Criner is out best wide receiver.

    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<????????????????

    Think you may be right Lirk. Streeter not too far behind. Moore has great hands but seems to have regressed. Dhb is, well, dhb…

  • inonewordraider

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:02 am
    I lost a lot of money yesterday it was a strange week for betting. I have been kicking ass all year then BAM I lost almost everything I bet yesterday
    ___________
    me too man, i went 4 and 1 3 weeks straight then 1 and 4 yesterday. the silver lining is the boys really ganged up on that bengal LT!

  • DMAC

    hwnrdr Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:29 am

    DMAC Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am
    hwnrdr Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    Not sure if we would have been too much better DMAC…
    =======

    Really??
    I don’t know about that1

    We had an exciting team but they were never really that good as advertised! I mean…would Reggie still would have made cuts to save cap?
    ===========

    Yeah, but DA is trying 2 run a scheme that isn’t fitting w/ our players.

    Its like having outfielders playing the infield and infielders playing the outfield.
    Wrong system for the team right now, is what I’m trying to say.

  • DMAC

    I think a 1st year expansion team would kick our asses right about now.
    Real fk’n talk!

  • DMAC

    inonewordraider Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:30 am

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:02 am
    I lost a lot of money yesterday it was a strange week for betting. I have been kicking ass all year then BAM I lost almost everything I bet yesterday
    ___________
    me too man, i went 4 and 1 3 weeks straight then 1 and 4 yesterday. the silver lining is the boys really ganged up on that bengal LT!
    ==========

    Heres the solution for that fellas.
    Just bet big against the Raiders every week.
    Problem solved.

  • inonewordraider

    Yeah, but DA is trying 2 run a scheme that isn’t fitting w/ our players.
    ______
    more important than that tho, guys just aren’t playing hard for the guy. remember last week of the season v kc when cable was the coach? we beat the chiefs down for pride. last year had two games (lions and SD) where we win we’re in. It’s tough bein a Raider fan

  • omoran

    Raider (since) 1967
    ★★★★★★★★★
    Somebody ask MADDEN ON MNF if GRUDEN was the man?
    He reply thats the man alright!

    GRUDEN IS THE MAN!
    PAID THE DUDE WHATEVER
    LICK HIS P__ __ __ __ !
    Get the picture!

  • DMAC

    If there was a time for our coach to stand the fk up and fight for his team. The time was right yesterday.
    Instead, he just stood there shaking his head.
    I would of went stupid on those refs after back to back blown calls.

  • inonewordraider

    I think Omoran can definitely motivate the guys better than DA can.

    “Put your pants” muthafu#kas!

  • Just Fire Baby

    1/2 game out of 1st place and looking down on the Lake show….it’s a great time out….MF’er!

    ***************************

    And remember, last year was Coach Jackson’s first year and the team was drastically worse then the year before.

    A great example of letting a rookie HC get his sea legs before deciding whether to can him or not.

  • inonewordraider

    DMAC Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:39 am
    If there was a time for our coach to stand the fk up and fight for his team. The time was right yesterday.
    Instead, he just stood there shaking his head.
    I would of went stupid on those refs after back to back blown calls.

    ______________
    no schit i was hoping for a nice late hit/personal foul penalty on Mike Mitchell on Daltons smiling a$$. Hue would beat DA’s a$$

  • MEX_GHOST

    inonewordraider Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:25 am

    according to sources Dennis Allen will be released today and will be replaced by OC Greg Knapp

    @victafur
    2mins ago
    ————————————————
    This is a joke, but could result in a better choice, promote Al Saunders to OC and let Tarver prove he can be a real DC without Dennis Allen influence. All this looking to define your 2013 staff.

  • DMAC

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 26th, 2012 at 10:39 am

    1/2 game out of 1st place and looking down on the Lake show….it’s a great time out….MF’er!

    ***************************

    And remember, last year was Coach Jackson’s first year and the team was drastically worse then the year before.

    A great example of letting a rookie HC get his sea legs before deciding whether to can him or not.
    ==========

    Not sure about that one Vegas.
    Mark Jackson brought along Mike Malone. (the dude that is setting up plays and pretty much running the show)

  • hwnrdr

    I hear ya DMAC…I’m just saying that we may have had a two game better W-L…or we could be 8-3, who knows…I just think that it wouldn’t have been too much better…just my feeling!

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    DA and his staff can’t coach kr motivate Players.
    DA aka Titty Monkey but his staff aka Turd Monkeys have to go.

  • inonewordraider

    as much as Kelly hasn’t been the complete DT, I always wanted him to taste the playoffs being that he’s been here through the rough times. Gotta believe he’s gone next year

  • Just Fire Baby

    2009 we were 3-8, dead team walking and Bruce put the team on his back, got them to fight and beat a Pittsburgh team on the road at the 10am time slot.

    Someone on this team needs to do the same this year. That Steelers game is what, IMO, set forth the motion to be able to go 8-8 the next two years. Tanking the rest of the season, absolutely can not be an option.

    A little self confidence and belief goes a long ways.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    DA and his staff can’t coach or motivate Players.
    DA aka Titty Monkey can stay another year but his staff aka Turd Monkeys have to go.

  • hwnrdr

    So if DA is calling the plays on D, do we need Tarver?

  • Just Fire Baby

    Not sure about that one Vegas.

    ****************************

    The team went from 10 games under .500 to 20, and was saved for that being worse due to the shortened season.

    Jackson could have easily been fired at the end of last eyar.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    We fired Hue after one year as HC, so I don’t see the problem of firing DA. we were able to find a HC after we fired Hue.