Statement from Raiders on Chiefs tragedy
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, December 1st, 2012 at 11:22 am in Oakland Raiders.
The Oakland Raiders are empathizing with the Chiefs organization. Our hearts are wounded by such an unimaginable tragedy in our NFL family. We will continue to pray for everyone involved.
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December 1st, 2012 at 11:24 am
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:13 am
BHP,
I don’t get it. How many owners/ GMs are in the HOF? How many teams have 3 rings? They act like he was the worst GM/ owner in the NFL.
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How about the last 25 years?
December 1st, 2012 at 11:25 am
They act like he was the worst GM/ owner in the NFL.
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He was one of the worst GMs in the NFL over the last 25 years.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:25 am
Tough day for KC. Don’t know how they can play tomorrow
December 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Albert,
Let the man RIP….
December 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
I give credit to Al for being smart enough to make Gruden the coach, and getting Rich Gannon. But that was all wiped away the day he traded Gruden away to the Bucs.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:27 am
Raider E Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Albert,
Let the man RIP….
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I’ll let him RIP once Reggie finishes cleaning up his mess.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:30 am
Albert,
Give the man credit for making the Raiders an interationally loved and hated team.
No other team in the league has the mystic of the Raiders, and AL built that.
BTW, it’s alot more than you have ever done in your life.
The fact is is know him, and he never knew you….
December 1st, 2012 at 11:30 am
What happened who shot himself??
December 1st, 2012 at 11:31 am
r.i.p.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:31 am
I am grieving over their baby boy who now has no mother or father. This baby boy’s life was forever altered today as well.
This is a good illustration that you can possess abilities, fame, money, homes, and but in the end, it can’t provide peace. Only through thru the gift of Christ can we have true inner peace. God bless their family. I am praying for them today.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:34 am
Javon Belcher, LB @ KC shot his girlfriend and then himselfin frint if HC and GM who were trying to talk him down.
Left behind a 3mo. old little girl.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:34 am
Last 25 years, Raiders are 183 – 227 with zero championships won.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:35 am
AFC Championship 2002, dumbazz….
December 1st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Riff,
Boy?
Dr. Roberts (a racist Troll) sent you packing?
How old are you? You sound like a troll dude.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Raider E Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:30 am
Albert,
Give the man credit for making the Raiders an interationally loved and hated team.
No other team in the league has the mystic of the Raiders, and AL built that.
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I do give him credit for that. He was great in the 60s, 70s, and early 80s. But there are too many Raider fans who are still living in the past. I’m as big a Raider fan as anyone, but I’m not foolish enough to think that Al didn’t hinder are chances of winning during the last part of his career.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:38 am
Raider E Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:35 am
AFC Championship 2002, dumbazz….
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Since when did 2nd place mean anything to Raider fans? Do you want to give the Chargers credit for winning a championship now?
December 1st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Guys let it go,….if the guy is so mdumb he wnats to believe that crap. Let him Al Davis’s career speaks for itself.
Now as for this tragedy may we all look o whateverr higher power we recieve inspiration and go to them in prayer for a child who has no idea what has just happened and pray for those who must now try to pick up the pieces. No child should have to suffer such a tragedy.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:44 am
Priest, your old and set in your ways. I understand the elderly have trouble accepting change. Are you still wearing clothes from 1981?
December 1st, 2012 at 11:45 am
lol i wont bite son look for someone else..
December 1st, 2012 at 11:47 am
Anyways, Reggie is doing the right thing. I believe Allen has one of the hardest jobs in the NFL trying to coach the Raiders. There culture is absolutely corrupt.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:49 am
If anyone is on twitter, you can help Belcher’s child by retweeting this. His account is being run by his agent.
Jovan Belcher @Jovan_Belcher
1 RT= $1 to the beautiful child that will now grow up without parents.
Retweeted by B
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December 1st, 2012 at 11:50 am
To hell with that pos in KC who killed another human being. He should have just committed suicide. The world is a better place without a scumbag like that.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:50 am
KC incident makes me wonder how many other guys who play on Sunday could be on the edge mentally… The NFLPA should include Psychological counseling into their benefit program.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:55 am
Big Reggie supporter but thought that he waited too long to hire a head coach and DA was hampered getting assistants he really wanted. I’ll evaluate DA once the season ends and he makes decisions on his coaching staff.
The scariest thing in the Reggie Q&A was that, with Palmer on the roster, he said he didn’t have quality leaders on this team. Obviously, he doesn’t like slowlando, but that comment speaks volumes on his thoughts of Palmer. I’ve always liked CP3, but after that comment, I may be buying into the time for Pryor group.
Other interesting comment was that Huff is just a temporary corner and he wants an upgrade at FS that scares QB’s…. Huff gone too?
December 1st, 2012 at 11:59 am
Raider E Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:35 am
AFC Championship 2002, dumbazz….
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Since when did 2nd place mean anything to Raider fans? Do you want to give the Chargers credit for winning a championship now?
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It is in fact a Championship, Al. The players get a ring and everything.
They been doing it for years.
BTW, there are 2 leagues in the NFL, and 3 championships every year. thought you knew?
December 1st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Raider( since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Boy this is sad DUDES, they are our enemies. But I don’t want it that way -rip man!
December 1st, 2012 at 12:10 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:50 am
KC incident makes me wonder how many other guys who play on Sunday could be on the edge mentally… The NFLPA should include Psychological counseling into their benefit program.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
NFL issue or a society?
Suicide rate increased in the last 15 years.
Btw, men are mote likely to attempt suicide. (I wonder why?).
December 1st, 2012 at 12:10 pm
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December 1st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Thats what bad coaching does to guys.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
I am so glad to have REGGIE for GM !
You guy remember, he took the team with no cap, no draft pics
And we just had to cross this new dimension.
He admited, we had a horrible month of NAOVEMBER, its really not
his fault He is going to FIX it and put us up there on top.
Face it DUDE this is a RUDE, LAZY, UNWILLING, BUNCH OF CLOWNS.
BELIEVE ME HE HEARD US, HE IS EVALUATING THE CITUATION.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Recall that our OC was not our first choice. DC/Reggie weren’t given permission by a few other teams to talk to guys they wanted to interview for coaching slots.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Omoran speaks the truth.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Hard to even imagine the possible scenarios this off season…
Got to see the end of the Check Cashing Clowns that inhabit this locker room…
Coming out flat after 3 consecutive Azz Whippings says a lot about the players and the coaching staff…everyone should be concerned about their next paycheck.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
It’s not the 1st time nor will it be the last that they don’t get the coaches they want. He still wont because nobody gets every coach they want. Where Reggie erred was in hiring a rookie coach knowing he was a rookie GM working for an owner who’s father died making him a rookie owner. If Mr Davis was still alive and we had this situation it would be much better they would have someone working in their behalf who has the knowledge and connections to help them where they need it.
They don’t have that so it would have been much smarter to have either kept the HC in place for now. Or hire an experienced HC who is a proven winner to develope the players he gets.
I have no doubt about Reggie as far as selecting great players that is not an issue for me at all. But who do you have in place to COACH them up. That is my issue with his decision making getting players is not that hard it’s getting them focused and prepared to play an NFL schedule that is extremely difficult. Developing talent is a GIFT and you have to have great teachers and gameplanners and playcallers on defense as well as offense.
And that is where we are sorely lacking much more than talent in and of itself.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I’m excited to watch this Georgia and Alabama game. Georgia has 3 defensive players in ESPN’s top 32 draft board.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
If youre a real Raider fan you didnt shed a tear or give a damn about that Chief,..F the Chiefs. I hate Red. Happy holidays you little homeless kid, thats what you get for your dad being a Chief. Long live the Raiders!!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Raider (since1967)
★★★★★★★
Reggie inherit this team and we have to give him time to to come down
Like a stone. He is waiting to completely see everything.
He is like GOD he sits and see.whats going on and when you really need him at the last moment
Then he responds.
How many times we see this happen guys.!
You are in trouble or in a situation and then ,he comes thru for us.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
ONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
If youre a real Raider fan you didnt shed a tear or give a damn about that Chief,..F the Chiefs. I hate Red. Happy holidays you little homeless kid, thats what you get for your dad being a Chief. Long live the Raiders!!!!
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Gruden its POS like you and your butt buddy reggiehater that continue the theory that the raiders have the worst, most barbaric fans in football. you two are the poster children for that notion. what a low life POS.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Hey Bob.
If your a Raider fan there is no way you want Alex Smith’s sorry azz stinking up the black hole….
Ask Brien, Sucka. I have no doubt that he will slap some sense into your dumb azz….
December 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm
I watched this team dominate Atl play well vs TB in the 2nd half I’ve seen what they are capable of when focused and ready to play with a great gameplan. Then I’ve seen them flat fall off the earth and look like they have no freaking clue what their doing. That is NOT a lack of talent as much as it is lack of leadership and Reggie so much as endorsed everything I’ve been saying. Now I’m in no way saying we’re a talented team but I am saying we shouldn’t be losing games like we have without even a chance to win.
That is bullcrap to lay that at the players feet without including the coaches. It’s a collective effort great coaches can get players to run through a brick wall for them average coaches can’t get them to even defend themselves. Saying a player is a pro and should do it himself is naive. Sure players have pride and will fight but that does NOT a TEAM make. You cannot win games that way it has to be coordinated as a team and play as a team and that’s where the coaches makes all the difference in the world………….period
December 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I remember Reggie getting turned down for possible head coaches but not for an offensive cordinator.. you can’t talk to other teams coaches unless you’re going to promote them to head coach
December 1st, 2012 at 12:36 pm
With a name like no mas diamante,..shouldnt you be hangin in a flea market today?…why ya home on your computer? Go get your churro cart and make a few bucks ese.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Raider E Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Hey Bob.
If your a Raider fan there is no way you want Alex Smith’s sorry azz stinking up the black hole….
Ask Brien, Sucka. I have no doubt that he will slap some sense into your dumb azz….
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Speaking of Brien, I see his cousin has been accused of rape for the 2nd time. What a moron. The guy is a senior with NBA potential (at least according to Brien) and he gets kicked off the team. I guess idiocy runs in the family.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Brien and I dont agree on all things, its all good,..he and I are good buds but we do disagree,..mainly on Gruden, he wants no part of Jons return. Alex he hates also,…we agree on hardcore tailgating though thats for sure. Manana.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Youre right Albert,..Brien called me last night about it,..hes very upset,..some local skank gold digger got over on him,..happens all the time to athletes….not that you would know.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dennis Allen is a terrible coach.
He hired Knapp.
He has not played Pryor.
His team gets outscored by a huge margin in the third quarter.(No halftime adjustments)
He is in way over his head.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Funny Gruden POS. Another racist comment. You assume I am latino because I use a Spanish term which means no more baseball diamond in the middle of my teams football field.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
And guys, let me add…
Say what you want about Brien…he is one of the most passionate and intelligent fans I have ever come across! He knows the History of the Raiders and knows his game! I tell you what…I hate when Brien, or Bob tells me that we’re gonna lose today because of this or that, because most of the time it is true!
December 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Sorry…not a fan…sorry Brien!
December 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
If the coach shows his players he is all about winning and puts their best interest first and helps them get better. All playes want that even if it’s very hard on them. It’s whether they believe what the coach is selling even if they don’t particularly like the coach that have to believe he knows what he’s doing and that if they follow him it will work. They ahve to see success to continue to follow him and when they do they will not only follow him but they’ll get others to follow him.
This coaching staff has not established that relationship with these players no matter what you want to believe or hear they haven’t established themselves with these players. until they do they will have a hard time getting them to play together as a unit. November made that fact painfully obvious to me.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I don’t deny Brien’s passion. He’s an ass h*le that’s all.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
All good my Hawaiin brother,..we are winning manana,…Brien and I will pound some Don Julio for ya,..cool?
December 1st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Cool! Then we have to convince Brien to come back with the Clear on Thursday!
December 1st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
No I didnt assume youre Latino,…you just seem like the type that hangs in flea markets is all,..and possibly owns a churro cart…you need to relax, pour yourself a cold Tecate.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Brien will be there Thursday,..with the clear. Book it. But you better get ahold of that bottle before I do man, or, well,..good luck.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Priest
Wasn’t the experience of the staff supposed to come from Saunders? I’m all good with the Rookie owner, he shouldn’t have any impact based on their org structure.
Rookie GM, whose job is to pick coaches and players, and all that goes with that. You can pick on his scouting this year, but really, I think most of us agree he had limited tools. I like his pick for head coach, and his strategy that the coach picks his own staff.
Rookie HC has done an okay job, I blame personnel more than him, but he has had some bright spots. They have become an incredibly more disciplined team, and I believe that was priority number one for him. Year two will be the real testament on whether he’s good or not.
I gotta believe that all these decisions were for building a top tier team year in and out, not just to appease fans for an okay team in 2012.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Raider (since1967)
★★★★★★★
Really the way he gave that last interview about his team.
C’mon man “this is my team man, it hurts”
I know he talks with all his heart, he has a PASSION for our team. We must back our GM and stand by him.Your going to
See how GOOD we are going to feel next year and all the new things like new and better choices, better coach player ,stronger draft and free agency and trades.And also our guys had chance to Play together
December 1st, 2012 at 12:47 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Brien will be there Thursday,..with the clear. Book it. But you better get ahold of that bottle before I do man, or, well,..good luck.
LOL…hey man, just a shot I ask…
December 1st, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Dont worry Hawaiin bro,…there will be so much friggin booze there,..biggest party of the year,…but tomorrow man,..my boy from Napili is here,..Hawaiin short ribs,….damn.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I know…have some of that for me!
December 1st, 2012 at 12:54 pm
On it.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:55 pm
NFL issue or a society?
Suicide rate increased in the last 15 years.
Btw, men are mote likely to attempt suicide. (I wonder why?).
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A friend of mine is a paramedic and he says the majority of deaths he sees is by suicide. Most don’t make the news unless there is someone else involved.
Life can be real tough to get through at times. I believe you have to be a little unstable mentally to actually seriously attempt it. I’ve known a few people that took their own life, they all had issues. It’s sad. Take this chief for instance, you can’t be of sane mind knowing you’re gonna leave a child behind after you kill his mother and yourself.
On a positive note, I think the raiders pull out a win tomorrow. Bounce back time @ home against a young inexperienced browns team.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Appease fans, that is way off what I’m talking about. Forget fans man we don’t count. I’m talking about PLAYERS and coaches. The last thing I care about is what the fans think………lol
I’m talking about biulding team chemistry…….the record could be the same if I saw some type of chemistry and obvious plan in place. What I see is dogcrap no chemistry to team no coordination.
Hopefully that helps anyone can wait when you see promise no one can wait when they don’t………..period
December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Kirk Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dennis Allen is a terrible coach.
He hired Knapp.
He has not played Pryor.
His team gets outscored by a huge margin in the third quarter.(No halftime adjustments)
He is in way over his head.
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Bad mistakes by DA to completely ruin the strength of the team on offense from the last two years and then hire a bad retread like Knapp to completely go to a system that didn’t work the first time he was employed here as a OC under Kiffin and Cable.
If DA is going to stay, then Knapp and Pollack need to go and DA needs to do whatever he can to bring back Wylie and Wiz to be our OLine coaches and just go with Al Saunders as the OC.
DA and Tarver better than rebuild that defense and improve.
Jeez….getting rid of Hue Jackson caused such a mess.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Shutdown Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Reggie has spoken before about Palmer’s leadership. In all fairness, I think he was speaking about the dirth of leaders in other areas outside of the qb.
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CP3 only big flaw for me is his leadership. He’s not vocal enough with this team.
The whole “lead by example” and “silent leader” crap doesnt work at the QB position.
Ray Lewis, Gannon, Bruschi, Reggie White, etc….. Those are leaders that have certain qualities about their leadership that CP3 doesnt. And I say that as a big CP3 supporter.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Riff,
Boy?
Dr. Roberts (a racist Troll) sent you packing?
How old are you? You sound like a troll dude.
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did you not see their debate about Wiz on the previous story?
Dr Roberts sent Priest packing with his tail between his legs. Priest just needs to quit. He has ZERO cred after that beatdown. I’ll repost it all for you if you’d like.
December 1st, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Based on what I heard from Reggie he agrees no one could look at tghe last 4 games and say I see a future if you did then I’m talking to the wrong people.
All you have to do is be honest with yourself it aint that hard. I’m not anti anything as long as it makes sense to me. What I saw made no sense………..period
December 1st, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Look at post 589 and on.
Priest gets owned bad. That is why he wont respond to it.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Son you cna say who beat who down all you want..
I couldn’t care less I don’t have time for that damn foolishness beat me down until you get tired I hope it makes your day……….I aint here for that……….period Freakin adolescent.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Raider (since 1967)
★★★★★★★
REMEMBER he play for RAIDERS and he said it. He said he will
always be greatful to our team and the great NFL RAIDER team for all they did for him and learn the game.
But he was HONEST in the interview and also sincere, when he said MAN I am as SAD as our FANS and MARK is too. We nearly talk about this every day about this TERRIBLE NOVEMBER.
But rejoice and be happy when this is happening, because we learn by all this, and your reward will be greater many more times!
December 1st, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Scheme has to maximize the talent you have. Ours doesn’t. How do you think the West Coast offense was created? Walsh changed his offense because his strong armed QB got injured. He didn’t cry about what he didn’t have, he created results with what he had. Been consistently saying it the entire season. This coach does not maximize the abilities of his talent, refuses to make halftime adjustments and does a poor job of leading this team. He is a Dan Reeves disciple. I can’t understand why anyone would want that type of coach for this team.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Kirk Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dennis Allen is a terrible coach.
He hired Knapp.
He has not played Pryor.
His team gets outscored by a huge margin in the third quarter.(No halftime adjustments)
He is in way over his head.
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Bad mistakes by DA to completely ruin the strength of the team on offense from the last two years and then hire a bad retread like Knapp to completely go to a system that didn’t work the first time he was employed here as a OC under Kiffin and Cable.
If DA is going to stay, then Knapp and Pollack need to go and DA needs to do whatever he can to bring back Wylie and Wiz to be our OLine coaches and just go with Al Saunders as the OC.
DA and Tarver better than rebuild that defense and improve.
Jeez….getting rid of Hue Jackson caused such a mess.
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What are you going to do when Knapp is our OC again next year?
If DA supports him and CP3 has a good working relationship with him, what makes you think Knapp is going anywhere.
Hue went 1-4 down the stretch
We went 2-4 to start the season
And we’ve gone 1-4 over the last 5
Seems like the same BS from the same BS players to me.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
My initial reaction is Chiefs will “honor’ this guy by putting his number on their helmets etc. than i think how can they do that seeing as he murdered someone right before himself.
They can’t “honor” this guy can they?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Son you cna say who beat who down all you want..
I couldn’t care less I don’t have time for that damn foolishness beat me down until you get tired I hope it makes your day……….I aint here for that……….period Freakin adolescent.
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Tell us again how Wiz is “thinking too much” to be a ZBS lineman. Please, tell us again what his strengths and weaknesses are. It was hilarious.
You could not have been more wrong. It was the complete OPPOSITE of the truth. You simply made chit up to suit your agenda. You made stuff up that completely contradicted every scouting report that can be found on the net.
Dr Roberts owns your petty a55.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Don’t look into the light Priest…. nooooo!
Trolling….
I love my Raiders but damn this blog gets me down on them. How was Pryor’s leadership at Ohio? wondering if he would be a more vocal leader than cp3. The work ethic, abilities, all seem to be there. Seems poised and well spoken with the media. Thought he would be a two year project and little risk with taking him.
One thing, dear Reg, please don’t draft Barkley.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Wow, sad story.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
We are all fighting with our demons. Some fights are tougher than others, it’s a constant battle where you win some and you lose some. In the end though, if you lose the final battle it usually equals death. And if you win, it gives you the most amazing sense of freedom. It can be anything, your past, dugs, alcohol, sex, smoking, greet, any vice or uncontrolled emotion. Giving in to it is always easy and gives you a short lived sense of euphoria, but it always leaves you feeling empty afterwards.
We don’t realize it until it is too late, but more often than not, the people that we truly hurt and leave to pick up the pieces, are the ones we love the most.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
They can’t “honor” this guy can they?
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I would hope not. The best thing they can do is move past this tragedy as quickly as possible. And back to the tragedy that is their season.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
My initial reaction is Chiefs will “honor’ this guy by putting his number on their helmets etc. than i think how can they do that seeing as he murdered someone right before himself.
They can’t “honor” this guy can they?
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What would you prefer they do? Dishonor him?
It’s highly likely that due to his employment in football, all the hits and medication, caused some serious head trauma, that team dr’s enabled of course, and we all know what a recipe for disaster that is.
Im not saying its the Chiefs fault by any means. The guy chose to play football. But its a tragic case where all angles need to be accounted for, including us fans who support such a violent sport.
With that violence comes consequences. Sometimes very ugly ones.
For all we know he had previous chemical imbalances, a la Barret Robbins.
Either way, what is needed right now is lucid understanding. Not vindictiveness. Everyone lost out today, not just his child and wife. He’s as much a victim as anyone.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
DT42 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Scheme has to maximize the talent you have.
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Agree fully, but they’re looking long term, continuity with coaches, and drafting players that fit a scheme that they want. Tweaks are good if you’re a contender, but I don’t think a GM should pick a coach based on the players they have if they’re rebuilding. Thought 4-12 all along, last years team definitely overachieved and that was a credit to Hue. This year was about evaluation and creating a new identity of Raider’s football.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Agreed, PLEASE DONT DRAFT BARKLEY.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Kirk Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dennis Allen is a terrible coach.
He hired Knapp.
He has not played Pryor.
His team gets outscored by a huge margin in the third quarter.(No halftime adjustments)
He is in way over his head.
^^^^^^^^^
Bad mistakes by DA to completely ruin the strength of the team on offense from the last two years and then hire a bad retread like Knapp to completely go to a system that didn’t work the first time he was employed here as a OC under Kiffin and Cable.
If DA is going to stay, then Knapp and Pollack need to go and DA needs to do whatever he can to bring back Wylie and Wiz to be our OLine coaches and just go with Al Saunders as the OC.
DA and Tarver better than rebuild that defense and improve.
Jeez….getting rid of Hue Jackson caused such a mess.
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What are you going to do when Knapp is our OC again next year?
If DA supports him and CP3 has a good working relationship with him, what makes you think Knapp is going anywhere.
Hue went 1-4 down the stretch
We went 2-4 to start the season
And we’ve gone 1-4 over the last 5
Seems like the same BS from the same BS players to me.
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What I’m I going to do if Knapp is retained?
I just won’t give a crap as much about this team, just like this year. We as fans can only scream and yell and get pissed and frustrated so much, but we have no control over what stupid azz management does.
It’s a joke. I disagree big time with Hue’s firing and was hoping for an EXPERIENCED head coach to replace him. Instead they replace a rookie head coach in Hue Jackson with another rookie head coach in DA (mistake) an then DA does things I completely disagree with, like the offensive philosophy and then hire a crap OC like Knapp and then go with an inexperienced DC in Tarver (I wanted Ed Donatell as DC) and then push Wiz to leave cause Wiz knew the new offensive philosophy and OLine blocking schemes did not fit the personnel.
Then he lets Fassel go ahead of crappy Hoffman as special teams guys. On and on…
Only reason Hue went 1-4 down the stretch (AGAIN, for like the 100th time) is because the defense cost the teams wins.
Now the team is officially in full rebuild mode. Ugh
December 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
We are all fighting with our demons. Some fights are tougher than others, it’s a constant battle where you win some and you lose some. In the end though, if you lose the final battle it usually equals death. And if you win, it gives you the most amazing sense of freedom. It can be anything, your past, dugs, alcohol, sex, smoking, greet, any vice or uncontrolled emotion. Giving in to it is always easy and gives you a short lived sense of euphoria, but it always leaves you feeling empty afterwards.
We don’t realize it until it is too late, but more often than not, the people that we truly hurt and leave to pick up the pieces, are the ones we love the most.
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Exactly.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Riff, I have disagreed with you on some points but I agree with your point on the Cincy game as an example…on the 3rd and 11 after we got jipped…the long pass where our guys were there but just failed to make a play.
I agree that’s a good example of coaching not being the issue there. No coach has gotten those goofs to make plays yet and they’ve had a few.
I don’t exonerate the coaches in everything either…this is a shared disaster imo.
Priest is a long time blog veteran. We can all have different views and still get along i think.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Riff,
The subject of Wiz is interesting. Last year he played injured. And for the most part played very well. So why would you move him to a brand new position with a completely different scheme and replace him with Cooper Carlisle. A guy who has played on the right side of the line for the majority of his career? Then you overpay for that dumpster fire of a lineman Brisiel??? So you have three players that are either out of position or just stink. How is that good coaching? Oh and do you really think that Wiz left to spend more time with his family or did he see this coming and no one listened to him?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Kirk Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dennis Allen is a terrible coach.
He hired Knapp.
He has not played Pryor.
His team gets outscored by a huge margin in the third quarter.(No halftime adjustments)
He is in way over his head.
^^^^^^^^^
Bad mistakes by DA to completely ruin the strength of the team on offense from the last two years and then hire a bad retread like Knapp to completely go to a system that didn’t work the first time he was employed here as a OC under Kiffin and Cable.
If DA is going to stay, then Knapp and Pollack need to go and DA needs to do whatever he can to bring back Wylie and Wiz to be our OLine coaches and just go with Al Saunders as the OC.
DA and Tarver better than rebuild that defense and improve.
Jeez….getting rid of Hue Jackson caused such a mess.
—————-
What are you going to do when Knapp is our OC again next year?
If DA supports him and CP3 has a good working relationship with him, what makes you think Knapp is going anywhere.
Hue went 1-4 down the stretch
We went 2-4 to start the season
And we’ve gone 1-4 over the last 5
Seems like the same BS from the same BS players to me.
^^^^^^^^^
What I’m I going to do if Knapp is retained?
I just won’t give a crap as much about this team, just like this year. We as fans can only scream and yell and get pissed and frustrated so much, but we have no control over what stupid azz management does.
It’s a joke. I disagree big time with Hue’s firing and was hoping for an EXPERIENCED head coach to replace him. Instead they replace a rookie head coach in Hue Jackson with another rookie head coach in DA (mistake) an then DA does things I completely disagree with, like the offensive philosophy and then hire a crap OC like Knapp and then go with an inexperienced DC in Tarver (I wanted Ed Donatell as DC) and then push Wiz to leave cause Wiz knew the new offensive philosophy and OLine blocking schemes did not fit the personnel.
Then he lets Fassel go ahead of crappy Hoffman as special teams guys. On and on…
Only reason Hue went 1-4 down the stretch (AGAIN, for like the 100th time) is because the defense cost the teams wins.
Now the team is officially in full rebuild mode. Ugh
————–
You do realize that Hue got himself fired dont you? That was Hue’s doing.
And why are you so quick to forget all the obvious coaching blunders Hue made? Do I need to list them? Will it matter or are you a slave to your beliefs?
Oh, and we didnt make the playoffs because of the defense huh? That same DC who helped us get to a super bowl when we had real players. Or that same roster that is stinking up the joint this year.
Slice it any way you want, but our problem isnt coaching. We’ve been over this. Al tried out as many different coaches as possible and it proved that the coaches werent the problem. The one coach and leader we had Gruden/Gannon and Al couldnt wait to get rid of both of them.
Let it go.
And get over Knapp. He knows football. Otherwise he wouldnt be employed. He will be here next year. So start holding the dumba55es on the field accountable for a change. They are the ones fvcking up, or did you not read Reggies presser where he says he’s sick of all the “my bad” plays.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
79,
Riff, what I mean is they can’t put his number on their helmets and have moments of silence for a guy who just murdered someone and left his child w/o parents…I guess i’m posing the question “will they”?
We don’t look for all the extenuating mental issues involving other murderers.
It may seem harsh to say it, but this guy is a murderer…how else do we say it? Do we lessen the import of this cuz he played football?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Lets give him one more chance 1yr
He will prove it, he said man I am a rookie on this .
I am new to this team in GM, we all are and the new OWNER
MARK DAVIS and personal department and new scouts and players. I don’t know how this is going to fan out, will see.
DUDES we all critizise him, can any of here be better?
He is got to put this mess in place. And fix the OUT OF WACK
Contracts. Still these guys are not helping him
When he was in CHEESE COUNTRY GREENBAY he stay fixing the
Place for 12 yrs, but he had control and kept everything in check and then = SUPERBOWL. SAME HERE DUDES!
December 1st, 2012 at 1:22 pm
walrushooker Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
DT42 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Scheme has to maximize the talent you have.
————-
Agree fully, but they’re looking long term, continuity with coaches, and drafting players that fit a scheme that they want. Tweaks are good if you’re a contender, but I don’t think a GM should pick a coach based on the players they have if they’re rebuilding. Thought 4-12 all along, last years team definitely overachieved and that was a credit to Hue. This year was about evaluation and creating a new identity of Raider’s football.
******************************************
You can go with any theory you chose as a coach or org. but the bottom line is do the players buy what you’re selling. If not then it doesn’t matter. No one in their right mind thought we were in SB contention it was about getting established and moving forward once the staff was chosen but the last weeks were alarmingly bad and you cannot spin that no matter what your predisposed position was.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:24 pm
DT42 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Riff,
The subject of Wiz is interesting. Last year he played injured. And for the most part played very well. So why would you move him to a brand new position with a completely different scheme and replace him with Cooper Carlisle. A guy who has played on the right side of the line for the majority of his career? Then you overpay for that dumpster fire of a lineman Brisiel??? So you have three players that are either out of position or just stink. How is that good coaching? Oh and do you really think that Wiz left to spend more time with his family or did he see this coming and no one listened to him?
——————-
Moving Wiz to Center was a mistake.
I understand the reasoning behind it. It was logical at the time. But hindsight is always 20/20
I expect him to be moved back to LG next year. If he isnt, and he continues to struggle at C, which I would expect him to do, then I will be all over this staff.
They thought they could squeeze one more year out of Coop, they were wrong. It happens. Players get old and you never really know when that tipping point of effectiveness is.
Yes, we have 3 players on the line that are out of position or stink. Actually, four. Barnes needs to go. That isnt the coaches fault. And considering the mess Reggie inherited, its not his either. They tried to make lemonade. It failed.
Its now up to them to fix it. If Bergstrom can become a good RG, move Wiz back to LG, and then Reggie and DA can find a C and RT in the draft and/or free agency then things will be on the road to recovery.
I think they are well aware of the mistakes and the changes needed. It’s now up to them to see if they can get it done. We have no reason to think they cant.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Kirk Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dennis Allen is a terrible coach.
He hired Knapp.
He has not played Pryor.
His team gets outscored by a huge margin in the third quarter.(No halftime adjustments)
He is in way over his head.
^^^^^^^^^
Bad mistakes by DA to completely ruin the strength of the team on offense from the last two years and then hire a bad retread like Knapp to completely go to a system that didn’t work the first time he was employed here as a OC under Kiffin and Cable.
If DA is going to stay, then Knapp and Pollack need to go and DA needs to do whatever he can to bring back Wylie and Wiz to be our OLine coaches and just go with Al Saunders as the OC.
DA and Tarver better than rebuild that defense and improve.
Jeez….getting rid of Hue Jackson caused such a mess.
—————-
What are you going to do when Knapp is our OC again next year?
If DA supports him and CP3 has a good working relationship with him, what makes you think Knapp is going anywhere.
Hue went 1-4 down the stretch
We went 2-4 to start the season
And we’ve gone 1-4 over the last 5
Seems like the same BS from the same BS players to me.
^^^^^^^^^
What I’m I going to do if Knapp is retained?
I just won’t give a crap as much about this team, just like this year. We as fans can only scream and yell and get pissed and frustrated so much, but we have no control over what stupid azz management does.
It’s a joke. I disagree big time with Hue’s firing and was hoping for an EXPERIENCED head coach to replace him. Instead they replace a rookie head coach in Hue Jackson with another rookie head coach in DA (mistake) an then DA does things I completely disagree with, like the offensive philosophy and then hire a crap OC like Knapp and then go with an inexperienced DC in Tarver (I wanted Ed Donatell as DC) and then push Wiz to leave cause Wiz knew the new offensive philosophy and OLine blocking schemes did not fit the personnel.
Then he lets Fassel go ahead of crappy Hoffman as special teams guys. On and on…
Only reason Hue went 1-4 down the stretch (AGAIN, for like the 100th time) is because the defense cost the teams wins.
Now the team is officially in full rebuild mode. Ugh
————–
You do realize that Hue got himself fired dont you? That was Hue’s doing.
And why are you so quick to forget all the obvious coaching blunders Hue made? Do I need to list them? Will it matter or are you a slave to your beliefs?
Oh, and we didnt make the playoffs because of the defense huh? That same DC who helped us get to a super bowl when we had real players. Or that same roster that is stinking up the joint this year.
Slice it any way you want, but our problem isnt coaching. We’ve been over this. Al tried out as many different coaches as possible and it proved that the coaches werent the problem. The one coach and leader we had Gruden/Gannon and Al couldnt wait to get rid of both of them.
Let it go.
And get over Knapp. He knows football. Otherwise he wouldnt be employed. He will be here next year. So start holding the dumba55es on the field accountable for a change. They are the ones fvcking up, or did you not read Reggies presser where he says he’s sick of all the “my bad” plays.
^^^^^^^^^^
If you are defending someone like Krappy Knapp ahead of what Hue did for this team in the two years he was employed than I don’t know what to tell you buddy.
Lets just agree to disagree.
You let it go…..Greg Knapp sucks and DA was a bad hire and the team is in rebuild mode and will suck for another two years…..AT LEAST.
Once you admit that DA is in over his head and Knapp sucks, then you feel better.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
#86 Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Damn Riff, when you get out of the personal attack ish on this blog, you lay some good football knowledge… You’re on a sick one today with your posts, couldn’t agree more.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:27 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
We don’t look for all the extenuating mental issues involving other murderers.
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But we should. Nothing is black and white.
A “cold blooded murderer”? I think its way to early and irresponsible to be labling him that at this time.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I know we look at the guys picture and u immediately feel bad for the guy…that was my first reaction; then i realize he just shot and killed that girl in cold blood before turning it on himself.
Does shooting himself afterword atone for that?
Touchy issue how to view this.
I don’t know what he was going through. Probably alot of pain no doubt.
I’m sure Jeffrey Dahmer had alot of pain too.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:28 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
We are all fighting with our demons. Some fights are tougher than others, it’s a constant battle where you win some and you lose some. In the end though, if you lose the final battle it usually equals death. And if you win, it gives you the most amazing sense of freedom. It can be anything, your past, dugs, alcohol, sex, smoking, greet, any vice or uncontrolled emotion. Giving in to it is always easy and gives you a short lived sense of euphoria, but it always leaves you feeling empty afterwards.
We don’t realize it until it is too late, but more often than not, the people that we truly hurt and leave to pick up the pieces, are the ones we love the most.
——————————-
So true.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:29 pm
93,
Right. The initial reports show that is the case but it’s true we don’t know all the facts at this point.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:29 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Kirk Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dennis Allen is a terrible coach.
He hired Knapp.
He has not played Pryor.
His team gets outscored by a huge margin in the third quarter.(No halftime adjustments)
He is in way over his head.
^^^^^^^^^
Bad mistakes by DA to completely ruin the strength of the team on offense from the last two years and then hire a bad retread like Knapp to completely go to a system that didn’t work the first time he was employed here as a OC under Kiffin and Cable.
If DA is going to stay, then Knapp and Pollack need to go and DA needs to do whatever he can to bring back Wylie and Wiz to be our OLine coaches and just go with Al Saunders as the OC.
DA and Tarver better than rebuild that defense and improve.
Jeez….getting rid of Hue Jackson caused such a mess.
—————-
What are you going to do when Knapp is our OC again next year?
If DA supports him and CP3 has a good working relationship with him, what makes you think Knapp is going anywhere.
Hue went 1-4 down the stretch
We went 2-4 to start the season
And we’ve gone 1-4 over the last 5
Seems like the same BS from the same BS players to me.
^^^^^^^^^
What I’m I going to do if Knapp is retained?
I just won’t give a crap as much about this team, just like this year. We as fans can only scream and yell and get pissed and frustrated so much, but we have no control over what stupid azz management does.
It’s a joke. I disagree big time with Hue’s firing and was hoping for an EXPERIENCED head coach to replace him. Instead they replace a rookie head coach in Hue Jackson with another rookie head coach in DA (mistake) an then DA does things I completely disagree with, like the offensive philosophy and then hire a crap OC like Knapp and then go with an inexperienced DC in Tarver (I wanted Ed Donatell as DC) and then push Wiz to leave cause Wiz knew the new offensive philosophy and OLine blocking schemes did not fit the personnel.
Then he lets Fassel go ahead of crappy Hoffman as special teams guys. On and on…
Only reason Hue went 1-4 down the stretch (AGAIN, for like the 100th time) is because the defense cost the teams wins.
Now the team is officially in full rebuild mode. Ugh
————–
You do realize that Hue got himself fired dont you? That was Hue’s doing.
And why are you so quick to forget all the obvious coaching blunders Hue made? Do I need to list them? Will it matter or are you a slave to your beliefs?
Oh, and we didnt make the playoffs because of the defense huh? That same DC who helped us get to a super bowl when we had real players. Or that same roster that is stinking up the joint this year.
Slice it any way you want, but our problem isnt coaching. We’ve been over this. Al tried out as many different coaches as possible and it proved that the coaches werent the problem. The one coach and leader we had Gruden/Gannon and Al couldnt wait to get rid of both of them.
Let it go.
And get over Knapp. He knows football. Otherwise he wouldnt be employed. He will be here next year. So start holding the dumba55es on the field accountable for a change. They are the ones fvcking up, or did you not read Reggies presser where he says he’s sick of all the “my bad” plays.
^^^^^^^^^^
If you are defending someone like Krappy Knapp ahead of what Hue did for this team in the two years he was employed than I don’t know what to tell you buddy.
Lets just agree to disagree.
You let it go…..Greg Knapp sucks and DA was a bad hire and the team is in rebuild mode and will suck for another two years…..AT LEAST.
Once you admit that DA is in over his head and Knapp sucks, then you feel better.\
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Ummm… I dont subscribe to the notion that if you were in favor of keeping Hue, you have to hate the current staff or Knapp.
I was in favor of keeping Hue. He got himself fired. Im mad at him for it. Nobody else.
I dont have to take it out on Knapp and DA. Especially when DHB is still dropping 1st down catches that any of us would easily make.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Only reason Hue went 1-4 down the stretch (AGAIN, for like the 100th time) is because the defense cost the teams wins.
=============================================
Jacksons “vaunted” offense put up a total of 27 points in the second half of 5 games in the middle of the season. That is 5.4 points in the second half for almost a third of the season. And this is before Jackson went 0-5, errr, 1-4 to end. Jackson was TERRIBLE! He was a LOSER! Why do you guys think he is so great? Jackson sucked ass!
December 1st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I know we look at the guys picture and u immediately feel bad for the guy…that was my first reaction; then i realize he just shot and killed that girl in cold blood before turning it on himself.
Does shooting himself afterword atone for that?
Touchy issue how to view this.
I don’t know what he was going through. Probably alot of pain no doubt.
I’m sure Jeffrey Dahmer had alot of pain too.
——————
Its not a touchy issue.
The problem youre struggling with is that you feel you have to have an opinion. It’s the American way. Speak first, think later.
What Im proposing to you is to be agnostic about it. Reserve judgement until the dust settles. There is no harm in that.
None of us HAVE TO have a opinion right now. This isnt a contest to see who was right about this guys mental state.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
The circumstances make it interesting to see how the Chiefs handle “honoring” Belcher is what my original curiosity was.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
dennis allen = lame duck coach same look in his eyes as romney….
December 1st, 2012 at 1:34 pm
As far as I’m concerned as a fan I can forgive everything they have done so far IF they can show improve and some sort of cohesion and coordination over the next 5 games. Show that it’s about winning and establishing something meaningful get players to perform as a unit offensively and defensively and ST’s. That is all I ask, show me you have a plan in place that is working. That is based on player development and not player division.
I want to support this team without having to feel like something is amiss, sinister even.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Alright, blog scouts, who should I keep my eye on in the Bama/Georgia game? Potential draft picks?
Thanks
December 1st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
dennis allen = lame duck coach same look in his eyes as romney….
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Ouch. Lmao.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:37 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Riff, I have disagreed with you on some points but I agree with your point on the Cincy game as an example…on the 3rd and 11 after we got jipped…the long pass where our guys were there but just failed to make a play.
I agree that’s a good example of coaching not being the issue there. No coach has gotten those goofs to make plays yet and they’ve had a few.
I don’t exonerate the coaches in everything either…this is a shared disaster imo.
Priest is a long time blog veteran. We can all have different views and still get along i think.
—————-
The Cincy issue isnt debateable because how could any rational person defend our players on that? My argument makes its own case. Each week I get another 60 minutes of game tape as evidence.
This isnt opinion, its fact. It’s what is happening. It’s what the tape is showing.
That is where the agenda types get so lost. Priest has an agenda, veteran or not, and he will do anything to stick to it. Dr Roberts brought out irrefutable evidence last nite and completely shut Priest down dead in his tracks.
Instead of admitting he’s wrong, he just left the blog. Everyone saw it. Its in writing, go read it, about post 589 on.
This sort of thing happens often here and I dont understand why. We are here to discuss football and hopefully learn a thing or two. That is the greatest thing about being wrong, IS YOU LEARN SOMETHING. And its so easy to admit fault and move on. It’s not as fun as arguing but you also dont end up with egg all over your face like Priest did last night.
When I called out twocents for not understanding Reeces responsibilities on a end around that ultimately got Taiwan Jones in the doghouse, did twocents argue and look like a fool? No, he owned it and I respect him more for it and we move on.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The issue with Knapp and this offense is simple, is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The players we have do not fit his system. Now, that should not have come as a surprise specially since we knew what happened the first time he was here with McFadden. It shouldn’t be a surprise McFadden is struggling in this system. As to why Knapp was still brought in knowing this is beyond me. And why changes were not made before week 6 or 7 also is beyond me.
How you turn the best back in the league from a year ago into the worst in 6 games is just amazing to me. That is why I have a problem with the coaches this season.
In all honesty, Palmer is doing fairly ok. Considering the mess at Oline, and the inconsistent WRS we have, he is pulling his share of the weight and then some. But this is a team sport, and he is also part of the problem.
I seriously hope we see new coordinators at the very least next season, but I don’t think that will happen, because I think Reggie wants to give this franchise a sense of stability, and coaching caroussels are the worst thing for that. Plus it would send the message that DA made a mistake hiring his assistants, which in turn would mean Reggie made a mistake hiring DA.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Alright, blog scouts, who should I keep my eye on in the Bama/Georgia game? Potential draft picks?
Thanks
—
We haven’t had much luck with guys from the state of Alabama…since who…Stabler?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:29 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Kirk Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dennis Allen is a terrible coach.
He hired Knapp.
He has not played Pryor.
His team gets outscored by a huge margin in the third quarter.(No halftime adjustments)
He is in way over his head.
^^^^^^^^^
Bad mistakes by DA to completely ruin the strength of the team on offense from the last two years and then hire a bad retread like Knapp to completely go to a system that didn’t work the first time he was employed here as a OC under Kiffin and Cable.
If DA is going to stay, then Knapp and Pollack need to go and DA needs to do whatever he can to bring back Wylie and Wiz to be our OLine coaches and just go with Al Saunders as the OC.
DA and Tarver better than rebuild that defense and improve.
Jeez….getting rid of Hue Jackson caused such a mess.
—————-
What are you going to do when Knapp is our OC again next year?
If DA supports him and CP3 has a good working relationship with him, what makes you think Knapp is going anywhere.
Hue went 1-4 down the stretch
We went 2-4 to start the season
And we’ve gone 1-4 over the last 5
Seems like the same BS from the same BS players to me.
^^^^^^^^^
What I’m I going to do if Knapp is retained?
I just won’t give a crap as much about this team, just like this year. We as fans can only scream and yell and get pissed and frustrated so much, but we have no control over what stupid azz management does.
It’s a joke. I disagree big time with Hue’s firing and was hoping for an EXPERIENCED head coach to replace him. Instead they replace a rookie head coach in Hue Jackson with another rookie head coach in DA (mistake) an then DA does things I completely disagree with, like the offensive philosophy and then hire a crap OC like Knapp and then go with an inexperienced DC in Tarver (I wanted Ed Donatell as DC) and then push Wiz to leave cause Wiz knew the new offensive philosophy and OLine blocking schemes did not fit the personnel.
Then he lets Fassel go ahead of crappy Hoffman as special teams guys. On and on…
Only reason Hue went 1-4 down the stretch (AGAIN, for like the 100th time) is because the defense cost the teams wins.
Now the team is officially in full rebuild mode. Ugh
————–
You do realize that Hue got himself fired dont you? That was Hue’s doing.
And why are you so quick to forget all the obvious coaching blunders Hue made? Do I need to list them? Will it matter or are you a slave to your beliefs?
Oh, and we didnt make the playoffs because of the defense huh? That same DC who helped us get to a super bowl when we had real players. Or that same roster that is stinking up the joint this year.
Slice it any way you want, but our problem isnt coaching. We’ve been over this. Al tried out as many different coaches as possible and it proved that the coaches werent the problem. The one coach and leader we had Gruden/Gannon and Al couldnt wait to get rid of both of them.
Let it go.
And get over Knapp. He knows football. Otherwise he wouldnt be employed. He will be here next year. So start holding the dumba55es on the field accountable for a change. They are the ones fvcking up, or did you not read Reggies presser where he says he’s sick of all the “my bad” plays.
^^^^^^^^^^
If you are defending someone like Krappy Knapp ahead of what Hue did for this team in the two years he was employed than I don’t know what to tell you buddy.
Lets just agree to disagree.
You let it go…..Greg Knapp sucks and DA was a bad hire and the team is in rebuild mode and will suck for another two years…..AT LEAST.
Once you admit that DA is in over his head and Knapp sucks, then you feel better.\
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Ummm… I dont subscribe to the notion that if you were in favor of keeping Hue, you have to hate the current staff or Knapp.
I was in favor of keeping Hue. He got himself fired. Im mad at him for it. Nobody else.
I dont have to take it out on Knapp and DA. Especially when DHB is still dropping 1st down catches that any of us would easily make.
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DA is not going to take this team anywhere if Knapp and his crappy outside zone, non existent screen game remains.
I’m thinking big picture here.
Hue didn’t get himself fired. Davis was scared and ordered McK to fire him because of Hues mouth.
It wasn’t cause of his coaching.
All McK had to do was to keep Hue in check and let him concentrate on coaching and all would have been good.
Davis forgot adversity Hue had to deal with as a 1st year head coach last year and still had this team one game away from playoffs.
I wonder what someone like DA would have done if he was in Hues place last year?
Hmm…?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
dennis allen = lame duck coach same look in his eyes as romney….
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Q: What kind of job has Dennis Allen done as head coach?
A: I’m still pleased with Dennis.
So much for your opinion.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Alright, blog scouts, who should I keep my eye on in the Bama/Georgia game? Potential draft picks?
Thanks
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We haven’t had much luck with guys from the state of Alabama…since who…Stabler?
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OLB/DE Jarvis Jones from Georgia. Pass rusher and would be more suited as a stand up OLB in a 3-4 scheme.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
How do you win? By getting average players to play good and good players to play great. That’s how you win.
Bum Phillips
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/b/bumphillip204761.html#XvfG7AZOpW6Lpdo1.99
December 1st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Raider(since1967)
★★★★★★★
Dennis Allen is not bad, he is doing his job.
He needs to paint his tongue red and his face green and he’ll be
The WICKET WITCH OF THE WEST!
ALABAMA OR GEORGIA?
ALABAMA
December 1st, 2012 at 1:43 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The issue with Knapp and this offense is simple, is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The players we have do not fit his system. Now, that should not have come as a surprise specially since we knew what happened the first time he was here with McFadden. It shouldn’t be a surprise McFadden is struggling in this system. As to why Knapp was still brought in knowing this is beyond me. And why changes were not made before week 6 or 7 also is beyond me.
How you turn the best back in the league from a year ago into the worst in 6 games is just amazing to me. That is why I have a problem with the coaches this season.
In all honesty, Palmer is doing fairly ok. Considering the mess at Oline, and the inconsistent WRS we have, he is pulling his share of the weight and then some. But this is a team sport, and he is also part of the problem.
I seriously hope we see new coordinators at the very least next season, but I don’t think that will happen, because I think Reggie wants to give this franchise a sense of stability, and coaching caroussels are the worst thing for that. Plus it would send the message that DA made a mistake hiring his assistants, which in turn would mean Reggie made a mistake hiring DA.
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I explained it all in the previous thread.
I can repost it again if you’d like. Or if you even care. If you want to understand what this teams issues are, Im here to help.
If you want to be frustrated about it and blame something you dont understand (coaching and X’s & O’s at a NFL level) then continue on with the same old tired rants.
Look at our 1st rd picks since 2004 and then you wont be so frustrated as to why this team is so shallow of talent.
In fact, just go read the previous thread. It was about the longest run of sustained intelligent football talk I’ve probably ever read on this blog.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Post #111
Simply put and it’s very true……..that is why you pay great coaches what they get paid because they get results…….period
December 1st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The issue with Knapp and this offense is simple, is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The players we have do not fit his system. Now, that should not have come as a surprise specially since we knew what happened the first time he was here with McFadden. It shouldn’t be a surprise McFadden is struggling in this system. As to why Knapp was still brought in knowing this is beyond me. And why changes were not made before week 6 or 7 also is beyond me.
How you turn the best back in the league from a year ago into the worst in 6 games is just amazing to me. That is why I have a problem with the coaches this season.
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As I have said 100 times in here, McKenzie and Allen were brought in to implement certain systems. If the players cannot play in those systems, that’s fine, the players will be gone. There is absolutely no reason why McKenzie and Allen would implement a system, see that players could not adapt to it, change those systems, and then have to do the same exact thing year after year until Allen and McKenzie are sh** canned.
What good organizations do is implement their systems, and then find players who best fit those systems over time. And that is what is going on here.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Alright, blog scouts, who should I keep my eye on in the Bama/Georgia game? Potential draft picks?
Thanks
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QB Murray for Georgie. Jones #29 LB, top 5 pick, #6 Jenkins NT Georgia, #9 Ogletree LB Georgia
December 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Here’s another Bum Phillips quote about Don Shula. Excuse the spelling as Texas vernacular is not always easy:
“He’ll take his team and beat your’in, and take your team and beat his’in”
December 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Heard that Dj Johnny! lol
Thanks Dknight007!
December 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
We haven’t had much luck with guys from the state of Alabama…since who…Stabler?
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How can you forget Bo Jackson?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Riff,
I agree it makes for a better blog when we can offer up an observation and our take on it…and then if it is clearly refuted then own up and move on.
I have my own predisposed thoughts on stuff but try to keep an open mind.
Some of my “slams” seem like i’m trying to rip on a guy like when i make fun of DA’s robotic, cliche’s and “coach speak” but in reality i’m just having fun with it, realizing alot of successful coaches are boring and rife with cliche’s.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
What is our QB in The NFL DRAFT? ???
MANZZIEL KLAINE LANDRY, MC CARRONE
December 1st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Thanks ABP!
December 1st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
DA is not going to take this team anywhere if Knapp and his crappy outside zone, non existent screen game remains.
I’m thinking big picture here.
Hue didn’t get himself fired. Davis was scared and ordered McK to fire him because of Hues mouth.
It wasn’t cause of his coaching.
All McK had to do was to keep Hue in check and let him concentrate on coaching and all would have been good.
Davis forgot adversity Hue had to deal with as a 1st year head coach last year and still had this team one game away from playoffs.
I wonder what someone like DA would have done if he was in Hues place last year?
Hmm…?
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How do you say Hue didnt get himself fired and then in the same sentence say that he did get himself fired because of his mouth. You see how ridiculous that sounds.
You know what DA would not have done? Had a messiah complex with Marks evil father. And then went on a massive unprofessional rant after the final game about how he is going to run this franchise and tell Mark what is what.
Hue put Mark in a impossible position. For someone that plays the politics game as well as Hue has in his career, he royally fvcked up once Al went down.
I wish Hue had stayed too, but I dont blame Mark for wanting to fire him, Reggie for taking orders from his owner, and DA and Knapp who have nothing to do with Hue except for the fact that they are stuck with many of the same bums Hue wanted to jettison.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Here’s another Bum Phillips quote about Don Shula. Excuse the spelling as Texas vernacular is not always easy:
“He’ll take his team and beat your’in, and take your team and beat his’in”
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How many rings does “Bum” have?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Riff,
I agree it makes for a better blog when we can offer up an observation and our take on it…and then if it is clearly refuted then own up and move on.
I have my own predisposed thoughts on stuff but try to keep an open mind.
Some of my “slams” seem like i’m trying to rip on a guy like when i make fun of DA’s robotic, cliche’s and “coach speak” but in reality i’m just having fun with it, realizing alot of successful coaches are boring and rife with cliche’s.
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I know you have a open mind.
I know you are one of the smart guys here.
I also know that you are taking dumb stances regarding Knapp and DA simply because you are bitter as all hell and need somewhere to send your anger. Youre a super pissed off fan right now. Which is understandable.
Im just trying to help you avoid the egg on your face when DA and Knapp and Reggie and Mark finally get this show going.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
We haven’t had much luck with guys from the state of Alabama…since who…Stabler?
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How can you forget Bo Jackson?
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I dont think he forgot Bo. Bo was a prime example of having poor luck.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
They can’t “honor” this guy can they?
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Why on earth would you ask something insane like that?
HELL NO
He murdered another human being, for crying out loud and you think they might put his number on the helmets?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
We haven’t had much luck with guys from the state of Alabama…since who…Stabler?
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How can you forget Bo Jackson?
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OMG. You’re right. How could I forget Bo?
In his short time was one of the greatest rb’s i’ve ever seen.
I remember when he flattened Atwater on a play on his way to a long gain. Then the Bosworth play and all that speed and power…dang.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
All Bum had was one of the best running backs in the world, a great roster,…killer home field advantage,..and yet found a way to never win a damn thing,..yet you want to go out and scan the web to get quotes from him?…awesome.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
EMRaiders Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
The issue with Knapp and this offense is simple, is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. The players we have do not fit his system. Now, that should not have come as a surprise specially since we knew what happened the first time he was here with McFadden. It shouldn’t be a surprise McFadden is struggling in this system. As to why Knapp was still brought in knowing this is beyond me. And why changes were not made before week 6 or 7 also is beyond me.
How you turn the best back in the league from a year ago into the worst in 6 games is just amazing to me. That is why I have a problem with the coaches this season.
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As I have said 100 times in here, McKenzie and Allen were brought in to implement certain systems. If the players cannot play in those systems, that’s fine, the players will be gone. There is absolutely no reason why McKenzie and Allen would implement a system, see that players could not adapt to it, change those systems, and then have to do the same exact thing year after year until Allen and McKenzie are sh** canned.
What good organizations do is implement their systems, and then find players who best fit those systems over time. And that is what is going on here.
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There it is in a nutshell. This isnt rocket science.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
DA is staying. The Raiders need a sacrificial lamb, though. That means Knapp and or Tarver may have to go.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
The circumstances make it interesting to see how the Chiefs handle “honoring” Belcher is what my original curiosity was.
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I doubt they will “honor” him. It will probably be more like a moment of silence for the families involved.
I’m having a hard time comprehending how you just leave an infant on his/her own like that. Terrible.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Riff, agree with your post last nite on offensive side of the ball and what we need. What about DT or NT? agree with it all but that. Don’t think Seymour and Kelly are here next year nor should be. I think the biggest thing this team is lacking is an interior presence, and no, don’t think Bryant is it. I thought the biggest loss for this defense during the offseason, and we had no replacement, was Big John. He was huge on stopping the run when healthy.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
“He’ll take his team and beat your’in, and take your team and beat his’in”
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Famous quote from Bum concerning Don Shula and for a good while it was true Don was an outstanding coach.
I was hoping for someone with some serious pedigree and we didn’t get that but I’m OK if DA can get this turned around and prove he is the right man for the job. So far I just don’t buy it……..but we’ll see.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I find the latest Poole story interesting,..ok Monte Poole is a complete idiot, probably has a fake college degree due to him coming off as stupid and illiterate,..however he had insight on the flight from Cincy,..sounds like Mark is mad,..maybe ready to kick Dennis to the curb,…and Gruden was on the sidelines with him a couple weeks ago,…I call that hope.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Here’s another Bum Phillips quote about Don Shula. Excuse the spelling as Texas vernacular is not always easy:
“He’ll take his team and beat your’in, and take your team and beat his’in”
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How many rings does “Bum” have?
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How many rings do you have?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
All Bum had was one of the best running backs in the world, a great roster,…killer home field advantage,..and yet found a way to never win a damn thing,..yet you want to go out and scan the web to get quotes from him?…awesome.
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Exactly. “I’d kick that old loser Bum in the nuts”- Seymour Bush.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I think Reggie and Gruden could work great together.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
McClain must have really screwed up. According to McKenzie he acted up earlier in the year too and this was the last straw? What an effing chump. Kick him to the curb, Reggie.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:53 pm
How many rings do you have?
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Let me count them: many.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
DA is staying. The Raiders need a sacrificial lamb, though. That means Knapp and or Tarver may have to go.
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Nope. The sacrificial lambs are going to be all the clowns with their “my bad” attitude.
Next up, Kelly. He and Rolando can go be the “voices of reason” somewhere else.
Get on board, or get the fvck out.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
and Gruden was on the sidelines with him a couple weeks ago,…I call that hope.
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Lol. I would gladly take Gruden.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I find the latest Poole story interesting,..ok Monte Poole is a complete idiot, probably has a fake college degree due to him coming off as stupid and illiterate,..however he had insight on the flight from Cincy,..sounds like Mark is mad,..maybe ready to kick Dennis to the curb,…and Gruden was on the sidelines with him a couple weeks ago,…I call that hope.
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Link please?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Nope. The sacrificial lambs are going to be all the clowns with their “my bad” attitude.
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I liked that comment by Reggie that ‘my bad’ gets old after awhile. Heads will roll!
December 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I like Dennis Allen
I know throughout the season some folks think that he is full of BS and spewing the same old excuses.
The thing is, if he told the truth it probably wouldn’t go over to well. Why?
Because he would have to say “Our players fkn suck sht”
December 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
and Gruden was on the sidelines with him a couple weeks ago,…I call that hope.
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Lol. I would gladly take Gruden.
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As much as I support this staff….
Irrational nostalgia allows me to want Gruden back also.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
126,
Thanks Riff. You gave me too much credit. I did forget Bo.
He DID have bad luck though with him getting injured and ending what could have been…greatness.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Riff,..I dont click on links here nor post them,..find the Monte Poole story yourself.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
If you need help Riff heres a hint… @MontePoole
December 1st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
I’d rather have Shaw then Gruden.
December 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Murray looking good.
Where is he projected to go in the first round?
December 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
You are what your record says you are.
Reggie gotta whole lotta evaluating to do. Regrettably it will mostly be deciding between that which is bad and that which is worse.
He correctly speaks of building a backbone and having leaders.
Then you don’t wait on McLame and Curry. You get what you can and then show them the door. If McLame should play again in silver and black that’s a travesty.
Palmer has not demonstrated leadership in the way thats needed. This team needs someone to push it, pull it or kick it forward if need be.
In truth, the opportunity exists right here, right now for a vocal leader to step up and show this team won’t lay down despite everything.
Will Palmer step up or will he just not rock the boat and move on?
Would be great to see Pryor play a little. I’m impressed with everything about him. He needs an opportunity. Maybe just the opportunity to fail as the saying goes.
If they play Lienart for an extended period of time over Pryor – they truly have no faith in Pryor.
But reading the quotes from DA and Pryor it doesn’t seem like he’s gonna do more than ’suit up’. Reggie can put a check mark next to ’suits up’ in his evaluation.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Bob doesn’t post links because he’s lying half the time.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
I’d rather have Shaw then Gruden.
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yup.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Walrushooker Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Riff, agree with your post last nite on offensive side of the ball and what we need. What about DT or NT? agree with it all but that. Don’t think Seymour and Kelly are here next year nor should be. I think the biggest thing this team is lacking is an interior presence, and no, don’t think Bryant is it. I thought the biggest loss for this defense during the offseason, and we had no replacement, was Big John. He was huge on stopping the run when healthy.
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TK and Rich are doing their jobs very well.
The wont be here next year not for their lack of productivity, but for these reasons…
- Kelly is getting paid “leader money” while he’s clearly part of the cancer crowd
- Seymore is getting paid “leader money” and he’s not a leader. He’s respected, he’s an alpha, but he’s not the defensive leader that can will and enforce greatness out of his teammates.
- Seymore’s health is too much of a concern at his payrate
I’d like to keep both but they leave too much to be desired considering their pay.
They are not the problem with our run D. The often take on multiple lineman and push the line of scrimmage back. They put in effort every play. It’s our LB’s that continue to drop the ball so to speak.
TK and Seymore might not be here, but it wont be for their play on the field. Its the fact that they cost too much and we need a LOT OF HELP in a lot of other areas.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
(when asked by Bob Costas why he took his wife on all of the Oilers’ road trips) “Because she’s too ugly to kiss goodbye.”
Bum Phillips
December 1st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
“Honestly, I was happy to see some of that passion coming out of him,” Davis said. “Frankly, I didn’t know if it was there.”
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We didn’t either, Mark. DA has come off as a bit of a stiff, happy to take it in the rear then congratulate the opposing coach with a smile.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
People who post links dont have first hand knowledge. Thats why I NEVER post links,..no need to.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Gruden made a mistake not taking the Tennessee job. Gruden has to work his way back into the league. I don’t care that he watches tape of NFL players 18 hours a day. He drove two franchises into the ground. He is 2 for 2 in that respect and has to learn not only how to x and o but also how to develop guys.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
156
lmao
Thx for the laugh.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Walrushooker,
Someone suggested we move Houston inside and with Bikuldi and Bryant, we should be able to play decent enough at those positions.
Spend our high draft picks and best free agent money on a impact DE that can lead this team and a MLB that can at very least fill his gap. A decent 4th LB wouldnt hurt either. Another Miles Burris shouldnt be hard to find late in the draft.
We do that and our D will be MUCH better.
Find a way to bring back Nnamdi and that would be a dream scenario at this point.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
All you guys ever want to do in here is be popular on this blog. Common sense is pushed aside for quips and cute phrases. All KK was saying is Bum Phillips gave serious props to Don Shula and you kids attack it..
Very typical of what this place has become…
have a great day….
December 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
http://www.mercurynews.com/monte-poole
eff it, I’ll link it. You can thank me later Gruden
December 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
People who post links dont have first hand knowledge. Thats why I NEVER post links,..no need to.
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Im not questioning your credibility.
I want to read the story you referenced.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Drove two teams into the ground,…he brought back one team from the dead, then got the other one a superbowl trophy. Ya, he sucks man.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Bob what the heck does “clear” taste like. Is it sipping stuff like hennesy or cognac?
December 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Bob what the heck does “clear” taste like. Is it sipping stuff like hennesy or cognac?
Is like Hennessey because the Clear he is talking about is Clear Remy Martin…but it is smooth!
December 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
You are what your record says you are.
Reggie gotta whole lotta evaluating to do. Regrettably it will mostly be deciding between that which is bad and that which is worse.
He correctly speaks of building a backbone and having leaders.
Then you don’t wait on McLame and Curry. You get what you can and then show them the door. If McLame should play again in silver and black that’s a travesty.
Palmer has not demonstrated leadership in the way thats needed. This team needs someone to push it, pull it or kick it forward if need be.
In truth, the opportunity exists right here, right now for a vocal leader to step up and show this team won’t lay down despite everything.
Will Palmer step up or will he just not rock the boat and move on?
Would be great to see Pryor play a little. I’m impressed with everything about him. He needs an opportunity. Maybe just the opportunity to fail as the saying goes.
If they play Lienart for an extended period of time over Pryor – they truly have no faith in Pryor.
But reading the quotes from DA and Pryor it doesn’t seem like he’s gonna do more than ’suit up’. Reggie can put a check mark next to ’suits up’ in his evaluation.
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Spot on. Entirely.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
I didnt need the link,..I read that story this morning.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
…and I’m not a Remy drinker!
December 1st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
All you guys ever want to do in here is be popular on this blog. Common sense is pushed aside for quips and cute phrases. All KK was saying is Bum Phillips gave serious props to Don Shula and you kids attack it..
Very typical of what this place has become…
have a great day….
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I was just trying to illustrate the value of Coaching. I think they got it.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
I dont sip anything,..I drink strait from the bottle whether its clear Remy, Henny, Crown Royal, or Boones Farm.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Walrushooker Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Riff, agree with your post last nite on offensive side of the ball and what we need. What about DT or NT? agree with it all but that. Don’t think Seymour and Kelly are here next year nor should be. I think the biggest thing this team is lacking is an interior presence, and no, don’t think Bryant is it. I thought the biggest loss for this defense during the offseason, and we had no replacement, was Big John. He was huge on stopping the run when healthy.
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TK and Rich are doing their jobs very well.
The wont be here next year not for their lack of productivity, but for these reasons…
- Kelly is getting paid “leader money” while he’s clearly part of the cancer crowd
- Seymore is getting paid “leader money” and he’s not a leader. He’s respected, he’s an alpha, but he’s not the defensive leader that can will and enforce greatness out of his teammates.
- Seymore’s health is too much of a concern at his payrate
I’d like to keep both but they leave too much to be desired considering their pay.
They are not the problem with our run D. The often take on multiple lineman and push the line of scrimmage back. They put in effort every play. It’s our LB’s that continue to drop the ball so to speak.
TK and Seymore might not be here, but it wont be for their play on the field. Its the fact that they cost too much and we need a LOT OF HELP in a lot of other areas.
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Seymour most likely will come back for one more year. He is our highest graded defender again this year, he was leading our team in sacks, and we can’t replace 50% of the roster next year with the lack of draft picks. Bryant has been good as an inside pass rusher, but dismal against the run. I do agree with your assessment of Kelly tho. W just have never won with Kelly. He seems like a Nnamdi type of player. Where ever he goes, the team loses.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
“I was unaware that a ruling of an inadvertent whistle would give (the Bengals) the opportunity to choose what they wanted to do,” he said.
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Welcome to the Oakland Raiders, DA. There are many rules you are unaware of. You’ll see.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
We need to look at the future. Our future
What makes a coach is his QB
BRADY makes BELICHECK
RUTH LESS BURGER makes his coach look good.
ELI & PAYTON – FOX and etc JOHN MAC G
STABLER- TO MADDEN
PLUNKETT AND WILSON – FLORES
GANNON- to GRUDEN
MONTANA- to WALSH
December 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
The first conversation of note between the two men since the season began was described as “passionate” but not confrontational and “spirited,” but not heated
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I have no problem with what Mark Davis did or how their conversation went.
We cant expect the owner and HC to not talk. From the start Mark, Reggie, and DA have all preached that they want to all be on the same page and communicate with each other.
When things are going bad, there is nothing wrong with discussing it. In fact, we should expect them to talk. Mark wants to understand what is going on. He wants to win.
I have no problem with anything in that article. Im glad Monte wrote it.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Drove two teams into the ground,…he brought back one team from the dead, then got the other one a superbowl trophy. Ya, he sucks man.
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lol
December 1st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
WOW.
You guys gotta check out that article by Monte Poole.
We’ve got plenty of fodder for spirited discussion..BIG TIME.
WOW AGAIN.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
“Last year at this time we were 7-4 and (ahead) in the division,” Davis said, his exasperation evident. “Then we lost four out of our last five. And that’s why I didn’t fight for (former head coach) Hue Jackson to keep his job.
“Well, we have five games to go. Who on this team wants me to fight for them to keep their job? Who among the players and coaches really wants to be here? Who wants me to fight to keep them here?”
Davis reiterated that he does not intend to operate as his father did, through fear and intimidation, with demeaning and often boisterous critiques. Nor would he call plays or design schemes or interfere in game plans. He recoils at the thought of talking inside football, as Al Davis routinely did.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
first offseason transaction: trade McClain to KC !!!
December 1st, 2012 at 2:13 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Drove two teams into the ground,…he brought back one team from the dead, then got the other one a superbowl trophy. Ya, he sucks man.
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Yes he did. By filling them with overpriced veteran players. Once those players were no longer useful those teams had NO players. And both franchises face planted. Name one player, one, that Jon Gruden ever developed?
December 1st, 2012 at 2:13 pm
That stuff became popular after I quit.
But I doubt it is as much fun as drinking Sambuca or ouzo with euros
December 1st, 2012 at 2:14 pm
I’ve tried Louie the the 13th a few times and that’s as smooth as you’ll get when it comes to cognac.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:15 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Bob what the heck does “clear” taste like. Is it sipping stuff like hennesy or cognac?
Is like Hennessey because the Clear he is talking about is Clear Remy Martin…but it is smooth!
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Thanks Hwn, I saw that big bottle B was carrying
December 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
DJ that is a good article lots of good stuff
“He was asking questions and Dennis was trying to answer them,” McKenzie recalled. “Actually, it was good because this was the first time they’ve really talked for any period of time after a game.
Davis said he was warmed by the conversation, largely because he caught a glimpse of Allen’s intensity, something the coach has made an effort to conceal. Like many fans and some of the journalists who follow the team, Davis has been examining his coach for signs of disgust or intolerance for ineptitude.
“Honestly, I was happy to see some of that passion coming out of him,” Davis said. “Frankly, I didn’t know if it was there.”
Mark is well aware that Al Davis was criticized, especially in recent years, for running the organization as he did, without an actual organizational chart but the only true authority in the building coming from the owner’s chair. The Raiders were unique because Al was unique and had experienced success being unique. He wouldn’t have it any other way.
McKenzie, as a former Raiders linebacker, knows what it was like under Al Davis. He remembers that some of those flights back to Los Angeles, especially after galling defeats, were extended tongue-lashings from the boss. This owner-coach discussion, McKenzie insists, was not that at all.
“He told me, `Reg, I want this to be your deal.’ And I told him . . . he knows my philosophy . . . He knows I’m not looking to fire anybody during the season — unless they do something crazy.
“I’m not surprised that he said the things he said when we were coming home,” McKenzie
December 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Gruden made a mistake not taking the Tennessee job. Gruden has to work his way back into the league. I don’t care that he watches tape of NFL players 18 hours a day. He drove two franchises into the ground. He is 2 for 2 in that respect and has to learn not only how to x and o but also how to develop guys.
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Gruden doesn’t have to work his way back into the league. That is a ridiculous statement. I can’t believe you said he drove the Raiders into the ground. That is laughable.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
That conversation between Mark and DA was the best thing that could happen.
Mark gets it. He loves the Raiders. Loves the brand. But he isnt so in love with it that he squeezes it to death.
And after that convo, he is starting to get DA even more. What DA needs right now, more than ever, is support. More support from above. That is how succesful owners operate.
I cant wait to see Mark, Reggie, and DA holding a Lombardy above their heads together.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Mark Davis > Al Davis
December 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm
I see you guys are already on the Monte Poole article.
I find it very interesting.
Mark is dispelling any notion that he doesn’t care if we win or lose.
I suggested earlier in the season that there is more at stake given our “situation” with the stadium issue…that this may not be the best time to be losing games. There’s never a “good time” to lose games unless you’re shooting for the #1 draft pick, but Mark is obviously not into “regression”.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:13 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Drove two teams into the ground,…he brought back one team from the dead, then got the other one a superbowl trophy. Ya, he sucks man.
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Yes he did. By filling them with overpriced veteran players. Once those players were no longer useful those teams had NO players. And both franchises face planted. Name one player, one, that Jon Gruden ever developed?
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Gruden made Jerry Porter a good WR.
Charles Woodson came into the league with Chucky as well. Although, CWood was going to be great regardless.
But you have to give him credit for Jerry Porter.
But you point is valid none the less. He was given the keys to the car in TB and once Dungey’s roster was made over, TB went downhill.
Gruden and Al were made for each other. And Gruden needed Gannon above anything else. It’s next to impossible for a coach to be succesful with out talented players and a real leader on the team.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Mark Davis > Al Davis
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Al Davis 1960-1983 > Mark Davis 2012+ > Al Davis 1984-2011
December 1st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
If Pryor suits up over the next 2 games and doesn’t play there will be a mandate the 3rd game…….trust me.
I do remember when Reggie got the job in a interview he spoke about Pryor very positively. IMO and this is an OPINION get it? IMO I think Reggie is a Pryor guy I think he is entrigued by the kid and wants to see if he is right abou whatever he thinks about him.
I think if DA wants a good relationship with his boss Pryor not only plays the rest of the year but extensively. Reggie may be looking to see if he can biuld around him or not.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Gruden made a mistake not taking the Tennessee job. Gruden has to work his way back into the league. I don’t care that he watches tape of NFL players 18 hours a day. He drove two franchises into the ground. He is 2 for 2 in that respect and has to learn not only how to x and o but also how to develop guys.
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Gruden doesn’t have to work his way back into the league. That is a ridiculous statement. I can’t believe you said he drove the Raiders into the ground. That is laughable.
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There have been a dozen coaching openings in the league. Last time I looked Gruden is not in the league, and Gruden wants to be in the league. What that means, regardless of what you believe, is Gruden has to earn his way back in. Jon Gruden won a world championship, then the next year did not post a winning record. And the team got worse and worse. Look it up.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Gruden made Jerry Porter a good WR.
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Porter never posted a 1000 yard season in his career. And if anyone would get credit for developing Porter, Jerry Rice, Tim Brown and Freddy B would get the nods over Gruden.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Mark is a fan like us (except for the extremist/bi polar/racist/flip flop/undercover 49′er types) but he so happens to be the owner as well. I like what I read.
If this team comes out flat tomorrow…
December 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm
I see you guys are already on the Monte Poole article.
I find it very interesting.
Mark is dispelling any notion that he doesn’t care if we win or lose.
I suggested earlier in the season that there is more at stake given our “situation” with the stadium issue…that this may not be the best time to be losing games. There’s never a “good time” to lose games unless you’re shooting for the #1 draft pick, but Mark is obviously not into “regression”.
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Seriously, that article has me having so much more faith in this ownership and staff.
They are all on the same page. They all care more than anyone here will give them credit for. And they are all going thru such tough times that when it finally gets right, its going to feel so good, they arent ever going to bail on us.
We dont know what stability looks like. We are the most insecure fan base in the world. Times are a changin’.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Gannon receives as much credit as Gruden and Davis for getting that team to the Super Bowl.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
If Pryor suits up over the next 2 games and doesn’t play there will be a mandate the 3rd game…….trust me.
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A mandate from who? And please don’t say the fans.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Gruden made Jerry Porter a good WR.
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Porter never posted a 1000 yard season in his career. And if anyone would get credit for developing Porter, Jerry Rice, Tim Brown and Freddy B would get the nods over Gruden.
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No. Gruden and Porter had a very contentious relationship. Gruden knew how to get the most out of him.
But dont get distracted by it. Your initial point was valid. I just wanted to point out one young guy he actually did have a positive effect on. But your point is sound, Gruden does best with veteran teams. He doesnt have the patience to deal with kids.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
touche riff..
no arguments on your modification.
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# Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Tuckrulefool Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Mark Davis > Al Davis
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Al Davis 1960-1983 > Mark Davis 2012+ > Al Davis 1984-2011
December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Seymour, you don’t think Gruden could have the KC or Jacksonville job if he wanted it?
December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Gannon receives as much credit as Gruden and Davis for getting that team to the Super Bowl.
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He should get the lions share.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Gruden HATED jerry Porter and that is a fact…….he absolutely hated JP. Porter used to disrespect him all the time. Jerry was a bit unhinged to be nice….
December 1st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Raider( since 1967)
★★★★★★★
The GEORGIA CHEERLEADERS SMELL LIKE B-PEACHES.
Who is the best TE in the DRAFT ?
Who is the best RECEIVER in the DRAFT ?
Who is the best CONNERBACK in the Draft?
Who are the best 2 ENDS in the DRAFT?
Who are the 2best PASS RUSHERS in the DRAFT ?
Who has 2 best SAFETY in the DRAFT!
December 1st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
So, Gruden left the Raiders an old team. I though Al Davis was the general manager. Isn’t that his job?
December 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
# Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:17 pm
I see you guys are already on the Monte Poole article.
I find it very interesting.
Mark is dispelling any notion that he doesn’t care if we win or lose.
I suggested earlier in the season that there is more at stake given our “situation” with the stadium issue…that this may not be the best time to be losing games. There’s never a “good time” to lose games unless you’re shooting for the #1 draft pick, but Mark is obviously not into “regression”.
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Seriously, that article has me having so much more faith in this ownership and staff.
They are all on the same page. They all care more than anyone here will give them credit for. And they are all going thru such tough times that when it finally gets right, its going to feel so good, they arent ever going to bail on us.
We dont know what stability looks like. We are the most insecure fan base in the world. Times are a changin’.
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100% correct Riff! Always on point. Truth!
December 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Gruden made a mistake not taking the Tennessee job. Gruden has to work his way back into the league. I don’t care that he watches tape of NFL players 18 hours a day. He drove two franchises into the ground. He is 2 for 2 in that respect and has to learn not only how to x and o but also how to develop guys.
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Gruden doesn’t have to work his way back into the league. That is a ridiculous statement. I can’t believe you said he drove the Raiders into the ground. That is laughable.
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There have been a dozen coaching openings in the league. Last time I looked Gruden is not in the league, and Gruden wants to be in the league. What that means, regardless of what you believe, is Gruden has to earn his way back in. Jon Gruden won a world championship, then the next year did not post a winning record. And the team got worse and worse. Look it up.
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That doesnt mean he cant coach. It just means he shouldnt be in charge of GM type decisions.
If Gruden called up Mark and said he wanted to come back, like he did with Al, Mark would listen. He definitely would listen. And I think it would be hard for him to say no.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Gannon receives as much credit as Gruden and Davis for getting that team to the Super Bowl.
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I think this is exactly right. And Gruden did not develop Gannon. The Raiders would not have gone to the Super Bowl with Kerry Collins or Bobby Hoying.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Gruden HATED jerry Porter and that is a fact…….he absolutely hated JP. Porter used to disrespect him all the time. Jerry was a bit unhinged to be nice….
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True.
But JP went from raw TO wannabe draft prospect to sure handed TD threat while under Gruden’s watch.
Gotta give Gruden some credit for pushing the right buttons.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
How can fans mandate anything Seymour??
It’s obvious who the mandate would come from read the post again…………you’re better than this….
December 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Wow, that Poole article!
December 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Gannon receives as much credit as Gruden and Davis for getting that team to the Super Bowl.
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I think this is exactly right. And Gruden did not develop Gannon. The Raiders would not have gone to the Super Bowl with Kerry Collins or Bobby Hoying.
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Gannon was always very good.
But he credits Paul Hacket for making himself great.
And so did Al, which is why Al brought in Hacket to work on Jamarcus. And its why Gannon offered to work with Hacket on Jamarcus. That would have been a hell of a coaching tandem.
Stupid Al.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Seymour, you don’t think Gruden could have the KC or Jacksonville job if he wanted it?
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I don’t think they will offer it to him for the reasons I said. The only player any one has mentioned that Gruden developed in 10 years and two franchises is Jerry Porter who frankly was not that good of a player. Gruden never developed anyone and packed his rosters with vets on their last hurrahs. Teams now a days KNOW you have to develop thru the draft and develop your own guys. That is not the specialty of Jon Gruden and the league knows it.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
I’m not that impressed with Jenkins the Georgia NT. I haven’t seen him make a play yet.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:33 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Wow, that Poole article!
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It might be the best article Ive ever read of his. Second would be the one on McClain from a few days ago.
It’s nice to see some actual reporting and insight from the media. Cause lord knows ESPN wont give it to us and Cork doesnt tell us anything we cant figure out on our own.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Yep That poole article gave me something i thought was completely lost. HOPE.
granted not a lot yet. but SOMETHING. Mark and Reggie care. Jury’s out on if Reggie and Allen can actually deliver but its clear Davis gets it, cares and wont stand pat to ineptitude forever.
That said, he WILL have some patience and not be the impetulant a55hat his dad was.
Make fun of his hair. Whatever.
So far I am liking this guy.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
How can fans mandate anything Seymour??
It’s obvious who the mandate would come from read the post again…………you’re better than this….
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I am asking, Who is mandating this? McKenzie? Mark Davis?
December 1st, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Gruden HATED jerry Porter and that is a fact…….he absolutely hated JP. Porter used to disrespect him all the time. Jerry was a bit unhinged to be nice….
That is true!
December 1st, 2012 at 2:34 pm
I’m beginning to like Mark Davis.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:34 pm
I just watched the Real Sports story about concussions before I heard about what happened. It’s going to be real interesting to see what happens to this sport in light of all of this craziness. 10 yrs from now, is football going to look and feel the same? Something’s got to give.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:34 pm
That doesnt mean he cant coach. It just means he shouldnt be in charge of GM type decisions.
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Absolutely.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
That is not the specialty of Jon Gruden and the league knows it.
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Then explain why he keeps getting offered college jobs?
Your right, he cant develop, but he sells tickets.
If he throws his hat into the ring, he can get any job opening he wants and half the guys who currently have jobs fired.
He knows his limits too. He wont come back until he gets another vet team with a Gannon on it.
But lets not act like teams are turning away his services. He’s the most sought after coach in football. That is not debateable.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden made GM decisions when he was here? Interesting…
December 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I think the Raiders will beat the Browns tomorrow. But what happens if they flop again tomorrow? Say they lose by 2 TDs to another 3-8 team at home. It’s gonna get real ugly.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I think Reggie will I don’t think Mark will go past Reggie he may want to see TP but I think it will be Reggie ultimately. As I said I think Reggie likes TP more than anyone knows.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Not impressed at all with Jones Jenkins and Rambo Ogletree looks legit though
December 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Gruden HATED jerry Porter and that is a fact…….he absolutely hated JP. Porter used to disrespect him all the time. Jerry was a bit unhinged to be nice….
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This is exactly what I am saying. He couldn’t control Porter, he couldn’t motivate Porter, he couldn’t do anything with Porter. And that is HIS JOB! You see fellas, anyone can x and o. Especially at the pro level. The question is can you motivate guys that make four times what you make that are half your age? Some guys can, some can’t. That’s the difference in coaches.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I think the Raiders will beat the Browns tomorrow. But what happens if they flop again tomorrow? Say they lose by 2 TDs to another 3-8 team at home. It’s gonna get real ugly.
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I agree.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Can’t believe they didn’t throw a flag on Alabama on that INT.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raider( since1967)
★★★★★★★
WILL GRUDEN TAKE 5 MILLION? AND
A RAIDERATTE
A BOX OF CUBAN CIGARS?
December 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I think the Raiders will beat the Browns tomorrow. But what happens if they flop again tomorrow? Say they lose by 2 TDs to another 3-8 team at home. It’s gonna get real ugly.
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I agree. Does DA get fired if we get man handled tomorrow?
December 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Ron69 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Not impressed at all with Jones Jenkins and Rambo Ogletree looks legit though
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I agree. Ogletree is making plays.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden made GM decisions when he was here? Interesting…
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Remember, Gruden had Bruce Allen while he was here. Davis let his hands off the roster a bit while they were here. I think Davis really wanted to have someone else take the wheel some. And then Gruden and Allen both went to Tampon Bay together and the roster was a mess.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
If we lose tomorrow, that is 3-9 with an almost guaranteed loss to the Broncos.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Omoran Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raider( since1967)
★★★★★★★
WILL GRUDEN TAKE 5 MILLION? AND
A RAIDERATTE
A BOX OF CUBAN CIGARS?
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The Raiderettes aren’t that impressive. At least not this year’s squad.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
If that happens it cannot happen………if we lose to the Browns by 2TD’s at home and look weak. It will be a serious indictemnt against this coaching staff and I think pave the way for dismissals. Even the HC could get axed if they lose badly at home again this year even to Denver. They can lose it cannot be a laugher where we look incompetent. I’m telling ya’ if you guys think this HC can’t get fired I think you are wrong he has got to show he has this teams respect if NOT they cannot bring him back………..period
December 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
I don’t doubt Jarvis Jones’ ability to rush the passer, shows good tenacity.
But just too damn small, IMO, for a top 5 pick. He gets shoved around A LOT in the running game.
Should be like a Bruce Irving type 12-18th draft pick.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
The Gruden trade to Tampa may have been a dumber trade than the Palmer trade.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden made GM decisions when he was here? Interesting…
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Of course not.
But he did in TB. And that org fell apart.
Al and Gruden had a love/hate thing going. Gruden would have to physically show Al on tape that the stuff Al wanted coached, the players he gave them couldnt do. Gruden would even run a play Al wanted in a game just to prove it later in the film room.
And when Al still insisted in sitting in on the film sessions, game planning, and team meetings, Gruden finally had enough and had to tell the old man to GTFO a time or two.
But Al couldnt argue with the winning. He just wanted to be right so bad. And so he and Gruden went round and round. The tension actually fueled each other to try and prove the other wrong, and it made the team better.
Al got us good players back then. Our team was stacked. And Gruden & Gannon led them perfectly. And we all cheered and expected to win games.
What did Bruce Allen do? His main job was to sit in Al’s office during practice and just talk football with Al. Al loved to just talk X’s and O’s. And as long as Bruce was their distracting him, then Al wasnt meddling with the team. Al would try and talk Gruden’s ear off if for nothing else than just because he liked the back and forth and he just loved the game so much.
When Gruden and Bruce finally figured out how to deal with Al, everything fell into place.
It’s too bad Al ever let Gruden go. They were made for each other.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
I would hire Gruden in a heartbeat.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
I don’t get the “Wow” factor of that Poole article.
The most interesting part is Mark questioning DA’s “fire”, but then later Reggie says they haven’t spoke like that almost ever, so then, how would he know how much fire he does or doesn’t have?
December 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
I can’t stand these announcers doing this Bama/Georgia game.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden made GM decisions when he was here? Interesting…
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Remember, Gruden had Bruce Allen while he was here. Davis let his hands off the roster a bit while they were here. I think Davis really wanted to have someone else take the wheel some. And then Gruden and Allen both went to Tampon Bay together and the roster was a mess.
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You don’t think Davis had a hand in signing the likes of Jerry Rice, etc? Wasn’t that Davis’ MO (sign HOF players at the trail end of their careers)?
Rich Gannon, I’ll give you. That’s not a Davis type of player. But I’m not so sure Davis stepped as far aside as you’re suggesting. In fact, I think Gruden tried to hard to mimick Davis over in TB with Bruce. Gruden without Davis (or someone real intrumentel in evaluating talent) = garbage.
I personally think Gruden would do well here with Reggie to handle player acquisitions and drafting.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I think Reggie will I don’t think Mark will go past Reggie he may want to see TP but I think it will be Reggie ultimately. As I said I think Reggie likes TP more than anyone knows.
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I hope so. TP needs a fair shake.
And as a GM, he has to like his contract versus Palmers as well as the potential ticket and jersey sales.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:46 p
Gruden without Davis (or someone real intrumentel in evaluating talent) = garbage.
I personally think Gruden would do well here with Reggie to handle player acquisitions and drafting.
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Bingo.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Aaron Murray is looking pretty decent, and he has no time to throw most every pass.
He’s got a lot of gunslinger in him.
Not enough of a prospect to draft where we will be picking in the 1st round, and won’t last until we pick in the 3rd.
Got to find a way to trade down, and maybe get a 2nd round pick, and get the kid.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden made GM decisions when he was here? Interesting…
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Of course not.
But he did in TB. And that org fell apart.
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I don’t disagree at all. Gruden proved terrible on his own, or even with Bruce. We all agree here.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
I think the Raiders will beat the Browns tomorrow. But what happens if they flop again tomorrow? Say they lose by 2 TDs to another 3-8 team at home. It’s gonna get real ugly.
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I agree. Does DA get fired if we get man handled tomorrow?
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I don’t think so at all and let me explain why: when a new coaching staff comes in most players want to make a good impression and want to hear how this new staff is going to make them better. So they focus and play hard. This happened last year as well. New coach, players want to make a good impression, but then the emperor has no clothes. Same thing this year. New staff, players are playing hard, team is 3-4 and then once again, the emperor has no clothes, and the team goes in the dumpster. Same results, the only constant is the players. That’s what has to change.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
tuckrulefool Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Yep That poole article gave me something i thought was completely lost. HOPE.
granted not a lot yet. but SOMETHING. Mark and Reggie care. Jury’s out on if Reggie and Allen can actually deliver but its clear Davis gets it, cares and wont stand pat to ineptitude forever.
That said, he WILL have some patience and not be the impetulant a55hat his dad was.
Make fun of his hair. Whatever.
So far I am liking this guy.
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Well said. I can relate to your “hope” takeaway.
I love it.
Mark has the same anxiety we all have about the Raiders.
I love the fact he is not gonna tolerate having this org. be a laughingstock while he realizes at the same time there are some growing pains.
He doesn’t like this beatdown stuff anymore than any of us.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:46 pm
I don’t get the “Wow” factor of that Poole article.
The most interesting part is Mark questioning DA’s “fire”, but then later Reggie says they haven’t spoke like that almost ever, so then, how would he know how much fire he does or doesn’t have?
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The wow factor is the specifics of it. Its like we are a fly on the wall during that flight. That is some insight you just dont normally get, especially from this team.
It’s also about how we are seeing Mark operate. And we like what we are hearing.
And how does he question the fire? The same way most dolts here have been. Mark is a fan. He loved Chucky too. He doesnt understand why DA is so stoic on the sidelines during the meltdowns of our roster. But after that discussion, he obviously has a better understainding.
That is all very significant. It’s a watershed moment in this franchises future with this reggime. It’s going to be a moment they one day look back on.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
I’m not liking Jarvis Jones at all we should trade back and pick Bjoern Werner, he has some J.J. Watt in him.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:55 pm
It was a good read, just not “Wowed” by it.
If you were to ask me what a convo between Mark Davis and DA went like on the plane ride home after that loss, I would have guessed it went exactly as it was reported.
Mark not happy, DA showing a little more zip talking to the guy who signs his paycheck and not being happy, Mark happier after seeing some of said zip.
Color me unimpressed.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Palmer was interviewed yesterday on 95.7. Rick Bucher asked him about the Alex Smith situation and about Pryor getting playing time. Palmer surprisingly said he expects Pryor to get some playing time. He also said, about Smith, that he understands that the 49ers have to do what they think is best for the organization.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I’d rather draft Jones’ interior compadre Jenkins in the 1st.
Jarvis Jones was effortlessly shoved away BY A TE on that TD run.
Pass.
December 1st, 2012 at 2:59 pm
JFB, I’m not impressed by Jenkins either. He was handled easily on that long TD run.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Almost every coach inherits a bad situation when they are hired. First, the new regime said to be patient and the system will work. Now they are blaming the personnel and cap situation. I guess Dan Reaves is coaching this team after all. Excuses are pathetic. Raider Nation wants a team that win or lose will fight and be competitive. This team is as dysfunctional as I’ve ever seen it.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Palmer was interviewed yesterday on 95.7. Rick Bucher asked him about the Alex Smith situation and about Pryor getting playing time. Palmer surprisingly said he expects Pryor to get some playing time. He also said, about Smith, that he understands that the 49ers have to do what they think is best for the organization.
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Thanks for sharing.
That was a major topic of discussion amongst us last night. We were all wondering how Palmer would react to Pryor getting a fair try out. Not necessarily to replace Palmer, but to simply evaluate if Pryor is making progress and worth continued development.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden made GM decisions when he was here? Interesting…
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Of course not.
But he did in TB. And that org fell apart.
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I don’t disagree at all. Gruden proved terrible on his own, or even with Bruce. We all agree here.
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All you have to do to prove my point is look at the drafts while Gruden was here to see how much influence he had on the roster. Over the last few years people have laughed about “Al Davis” picks. Davis had a certain type of player he was NO DOUBT looking for. Tuiososopo in the second round? Stinchcomb in the lst? Those don’t sound like Davis picks at all and sound a lot like what Gruden was looking for.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
All it does is say Mark has some of his old man in him. Which I am thrilled to see. He knows what he doesn’t know but he is not null and voidhe is engaged and he wants to know if the people in his employ are Raiders at heart, who are in it to win it. Big Al if he saw in any way that you didn’t love being a Raider he didn’t care how talented you were or who you thought you were he found a way to get rid of your ass.
I love the fact that Mark is showing that same type of characteristic. He wanted to know if his coach felt what he felt and was all in and wasn’t using his franchise as some stepping stone somewhere else. Because if that’s what he sees I gaurantee you DA would be gone no matter what Reggie says.
I needed to know Mark is who I thought he was…..at one point what I was seeing on the field made me wonder out loud.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
DT42 Says:
This team is as dysfunctional as I’ve ever seen it.
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You know that isnt true.
This is the first time in decades that our entire front office is on the same page with our coaching staff. And at least a percentage of the roster is on board with the staff.
Weve seen much worse.
Just because McClain and Kelly are upset about being held accountable, doesnt mean we are even close to the dysfunctionality we had when Jerry Rice and Warren Sapp both were calling Norv Turner the dumbest coach they ever played for. Or how bout the Aaron Brooks/Art Shell disaster. The Mike White years? Joe Bugel?
C’mon man. You know this isnt the worst weve seen. Not even close. Its actually the most functional we’ve been in 3 decades with exception to the Gannon era.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:04 pm
This team is as dysfunctional as I’ve ever seen it.
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This is probably a good thing. It’s not like this team has been the model of staid stability. I don’t remember guys getting their walking papers in the middle of the season like this year. Hopefully we are in the final throes of the loser dysfunction that has permeated this franchise for almost ten years.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:06 pm
This is the most interesting time to be a Raider fan. We may suck, but it sure isn’t boring. I’m looking forward to the off season more than I am the rest of these games.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Did Al Davis ever suspend a player? Porter maybe?
December 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
DT42 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Almost every coach inherits a bad situation when they are hired. First, the new regime said to be patient and the system will work. Now they are blaming the personnel and cap situation. I guess Dan Reaves is coaching this team after all. Excuses are pathetic. Raider Nation wants a team that win or lose will fight and be competitive. This team is as dysfunctional as I’ve ever seen it.
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Totally agree DA has to stop with the excuses and coach his ass off the rest of the way or get the hell outta the way………..period
December 1st, 2012 at 3:07 pm
The “wow” factor for me on this is the level that Mark cares about the current state of the team.
I had always assumed he was kind of taking a “it is what it is” kind of stance and this yr. was basically just a throw away consodering the circumstances.
Also, i thought maybe the “presser” in the lockerroom was just a one time thing, and he’d go back to being private about his opinions and the level he wants to get involved with the everyday stuff, but he’s right out there with his feelings about what’s going on.
In the words of Lloyd Christmas..”I like it alot”.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
DeAngelo Hall was cut midseason and so have others been if he wsn’t happy………..stop it!!
December 1st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
He wanted to know if his coach felt what he felt and was all in and wasn’t using his franchise as some stepping stone somewhere else.
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One would hope that this could be unearthed prior to being hired, like Al with Kiffin, but I guess better late then never.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Aaron Murray is looking pretty decent, and he has no time to throw most every pass.
He’s got a lot of gunslinger in him.
Not enough of a prospect to draft where we will be picking in the 1st round, and won’t last until we pick in the 3rd.
Got to find a way to trade down, and maybe get a 2nd round pick, and get the kid.
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Three 3,000 yard seasons in a row = durability and toughness as well as skills
December 1st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden made GM decisions when he was here? Interesting…
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Of course not.
But he did in TB. And that org fell apart.
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I don’t disagree at all. Gruden proved terrible on his own, or even with Bruce. We all agree here.
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All you have to do to prove my point is look at the drafts while Gruden was here to see how much influence he had on the roster. Over the last few years people have laughed about “Al Davis” picks. Davis had a certain type of player he was NO DOUBT looking for. Tuiososopo in the second round? Stinchcomb in the lst? Those don’t sound like Davis picks at all and sound a lot like what Gruden was looking for.
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Solid post. But lets not give Gruden too much credit here.
Al was just on his A game. He had a lot to prove. He was engaged in actual football matters for the first time in 20 years instead of the courtroom.
And Gruden constantly challenged him, so Al didnt want to mess up.
Tui was a Washington star. And we all know how much Al loved players from Washington. He had a lot of good luck drafting their.
We also drafted a kicker in the 1st round during the Gruden era. That has Al written all over it. Jerry Porter was Al’s pick forced down Gruden’s throat.
trysomereality is right, we are all in agreeance here. Lets just not give Gruden any GM awards.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Stop trying to make a dead man responsible for this crap, and do your job……….period
December 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Bottom line is, The Owner who wants to be in the back ground as much as possible, has now told the rookie HC, TWICE, that these performances are unacceptable and the comment abut “not fighting for Hue” after going 1-4 down the strtch, could easily be seen as a warning to DA about HIS job security.
If they have this same kind of discussion again, it could be the end of DA come the off season…
losing is one thing, Being HUMILIATED 4 games in a row is a DISGRACE!
December 1st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
The “wow” factor for me on this is the level that Mark cares about the current state of the team.
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He was born into the Raider organization, and is about all he knows.
Why wouldn’t he be?
And how do we know DA didn’t just gave Mark a sales pitch, and then called his wife and said you wouldn’t believe how gullible this owner is?
Nothing in that article for me. The proof will be in the pudding tomorrow, and in the offseason.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
In fairness, i don’t think DA has fallen back on the “we don’t have the talent” excuse, but he is well aware he has to get this team prepared to play to the best of their ability…however limited that may be.
I think that’s where Mark has a problem.
This is one of those things where a boss tells an employee he doesn’t like what he’s seeing and the employee says he’s gonna fix it.
DA’s thing now better be getting along to the task of doing so.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
DeAngelo Hall was cut midseason and so have others been if he wsn’t happy………..stop it!!
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Moss was shipped out, DeAngelo was cut, but Curry sent packing, McClain sent packing, Pat Lee sent packing, Van Dyke gone, Barksdale sent packing, that’s a lot of high draft choices sent packing during the season. I don’t remember that happening anytime recently.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Gruden made GM decisions when he was here? Interesting…
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Of course not.
But he did in TB. And that org fell apart.
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I don’t disagree at all. Gruden proved terrible on his own, or even with Bruce. We all agree here.
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All you have to do to prove my point is look at the drafts while Gruden was here to see how much influence he had on the roster. Over the last few years people have laughed about “Al Davis” picks. Davis had a certain type of player he was NO DOUBT looking for. Tuiososopo in the second round? Stinchcomb in the lst? Those don’t sound like Davis picks at all and sound a lot like what Gruden was looking for.
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I agree that those 2 you mentioned are Gruden picks. Davis listened to and was swayed by his coaches if they made enough of an argument. I’m not saying Gruden didn’t have any say whatsoever, just that Davis was still heavily involved.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Stop trying to make a dead man responsible for this crap, and do your job……….period
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A dead man is responsible for this crap….period.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
It happened just as much when Kiffin took over and when Gruden took over he always tried to get the coach what the coach thought he needed to win regardless of cost.*********************************
Moss was shipped out, DeAngelo was cut, but Curry sent packing, McClain sent packing, Pat Lee sent packing, Van Dyke gone, Barksdale sent packing, that’s a lot of high draft choices sent packing during the season. I don’t remember that happening anytime recently.
*************************************Seymour I’ve been around this team for a long time He did whatever he ha dto do to try to get a win……..period
December 1st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
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That will probably favor Cleveland.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
ABP we’ll see if his son believes that……..period
December 1st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
the comment abut “not fighting for Hue” after going 1-4 down the strtch, could easily be seen as a warning to DA about HIS job security.
If they have this same kind of discussion again, it could be the end of DA come the off season…
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This very well could be true. But I think it’s less likely after that conversation.
Mark isnt telling the whole story. Hue and Mark were not on the same page. That is why he got fired. DA and Mark have a connection. That will go a long way.
On the other hand I got hunch that Mark loved having Chucky lighting that torch and may have joked with Gruden about the possibility of returning. Would you blame Mark for testing the waters? Would any of us be able to resist the urge if we were face to face with Gruden and we owned the Raiders?
Mark doesnt want to be his father. He doesnt want to circumvent Reggie. He wants to stick with a staff and create continuity. But as you said, 1-4 down the stretch and a positive reaction from Gruden would be VERY difficult for Mark to ignore.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
It happened just as much when Kiffin took over and when Gruden took over he always tried to get the coach what the coach thought he needed to win regardless of cost.*********************************
Moss was shipped out, DeAngelo was cut, but Curry sent packing, McClain sent packing, Pat Lee sent packing, Van Dyke gone, Barksdale sent packing, that’s a lot of high draft choices sent packing during the season. I don’t remember that happening anytime recently.
*************************************Seymour I’ve been around this team for a long time He did whatever he ha dto do to try to get a win……..period
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I just don’t remember that many guys getting bussed out of town during the season like this year.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hue and Mark were not on the same page. That is why he got fired. DA and Mark have a connection. That will go a long way.
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I think the connection is that Mark didn’t hire Hue and was involved, at least sparingly, in hiring DA.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
In fairness, i don’t think DA has fallen back on the “we don’t have the talent” excuse, but he is well aware he has to get this team prepared to play to the best of their ability…however limited that may be.
I think that’s where Mark has a problem.
This is one of those things where a boss tells an employee he doesn’t like what he’s seeing and the employee says he’s gonna fix it.
DA’s thing now better be getting along to the task of doing so.
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That’s gotta be the most nervous thing about having to play TP.
DA is going to take the heat if it doesnt work out. If Mark and Reggie want to see the kid play, and think he has talent, then its up to DA to help the kid succeed.
And DA wont have the excuse that TP doesnt know the playbook or doesnt care or is lazy. DA has that excuse with a lot of guys, but with TP, he doesnt. For right and wrong reasons, DA is going to get too much credit and blame for how TP plays out.
I’d be nervous about that situation if I was DA.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Whether a org. wants to or not there just is a lot more turnover nowadays than before just due to FA.
Before we could develope players much better than now because of capspace and FA this culture changed.
Now 15% of your team will change on a given year just for cap purposes and FA. It doesn’t mean they wanted those players to leave Reggie may have wanted to keep several player he just felt he couldn’t justify it. For whatever reason you chose.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
I give credit to Al for being smart enough to make Gruden the coach, and getting Rich Gannon. But that was all wiped away the day he traded Gruden away to the Bucs.
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Curse of the Grudenino.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
272,
I said “current” state of the team as far as the performance right now.
Of course he cares. That is a given, but i wondered if he was being understanding of the dearth of talent and the challenges Reggie and DA face.
Maybe “wowed” is too strong a word. ‘Surprised’ is more like it.
He expects more than alot of the posters here who just look at this a s a “throwaway” year.
It’s obvious Mark isn’t viewing it quite that way.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
I just don’t remember that many guys getting bussed out of town during the season like this year.
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Kiffin was worse IMO
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hue and Mark were not on the same page. That is why he got fired. DA and Mark have a connection. That will go a long way.
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I think the connection is that Mark didn’t hire Hue and was involved, at least sparingly, in hiring DA.
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You dont think Hue’s messiah complex had anything to do with it?
Hue was Al’s boy. Mark was Al’s punching bag.
And then Hue goes on that power rant after the final game…. Mark and Hue were a longshot, Hue drove the nail in the coffin.
The moment Al died, Hue needed to be fostering his relationship with Mark. Instead he picked up where Al left off in many ways.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
There are not that many Al picks left. Half the team from last year is gone. Most of the replacements and the best(?) of the bunch have been hurt all year. This was never going to be a great team, but it looked bad from preseason.
Sure would like to know what happened after the Atlanta game.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
At least we aren’t Chiefs fans.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Again, like Jarvis Jones’ tenacity to keep playing, but that’s two sacks when teh QB runs right into him and was a very underwhelming pass-rush move.
Just not flashing like a top 5 pick.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Qodrn1 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
There are not that many Al picks left.
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7 out of 11 defensive starters have been guys that Al picked up.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Whether a org. wants to or not there just is a lot more turnover nowadays than before just due to FA.
Before we could develope players much better than now because of capspace and FA this culture changed.
Now 15% of your team will change on a given year just for cap purposes and FA. It doesn’t mean they wanted those players to leave Reggie may have wanted to keep several player he just felt he couldn’t justify it. For whatever reason you chose.
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15%? Try 25%.
25% is standard.
And most players dont reach year 4 due to the pension kicking in. That forces most teams to cut guys out of the league that are just starting to mature and “get it”. Their better than the rookies coming in, but the cost is prohibitive for the league.
The league wastes a lot of players they arent even done developing in this turnover scheme. It’s a ugly lil secret about the league and why guys have such short careers.
Once you make it to that “vet” status, then youre almost guaranteed to be around a while. It then becomes worth it for them to keep you around. That is, until you get so old that the insurance costs are prohibitive.
Plenty of players get cut late in their careers for this reason, despite still being able to play at a very high level.
Pension and Insurance. The ugly truth behind many questionable cuts.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Qodrn1 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
There are not that many Al picks left. Half the team from last year is gone. Most of the replacements and the best(?) of the bunch have been hurt all year. This was never going to be a great team, but it looked bad from preseason.
Sure would like to know what happened after the Atlanta game.
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What are you talking about?
Yeah, half the team is gone (40%+) but most of the starters are still here. Damn near all of them.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hue and Mark were not on the same page. That is why he got fired. DA and Mark have a connection. That will go a long way.
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I think the connection is that Mark didn’t hire Hue and was involved, at least sparingly, in hiring DA.
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You dont think Hue’s messiah complex had anything to do with it?
Hue was Al’s boy. Mark was Al’s punching bag.
And then Hue goes on that power rant after the final game…. Mark and Hue were a longshot, Hue drove the nail in the coffin.
The moment Al died, Hue needed to be fostering his relationship with Mark. Instead he picked up where Al left off in many ways.
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Hue was in the “right” for wanting to take control. Mark does not no crap about football. Hue probably saw how AL treated Mark when it came to football decisions.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Working in the pension business, I would love to see how the NFL pension is structured, contribution per check from Employee and Employer, payout per year of service, etc.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Seymour might stay next year. He could just retire too. Kelly is gone for sure. We will have a new MLB. A new CB if Huff goes back to Safety. Probably another D Lineman will be replaced. Branch will probably be back, but you never know. I wouldn’t mind seeing Nnamdi come back and converted to safety.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
“know”
December 1st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Ogletree looks pretty good.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:39 pm
I can’t see Seymour retiring with guaranteed money still owed him.
More like one of those injury “settlements”.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
If that happens it cannot happen………if we lose to the Browns by 2TD’s at home and look weak. It will be a serious indictemnt against this coaching staff and I think pave the way for dismissals. Even the HC could get axed if they lose badly at home again this year even to Denver. They can lose it cannot be a laugher where we look incompetent. I’m telling ya’ if you guys think this HC can’t get fired I think you are wrong he has got to show he has this teams respect if NOT they cannot bring him back………..period
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Kinda wonderin if some of the players may tank the game just to expedite the process. Who knows if they are on DA or Rolandos’ side, but if they sided with Rolando, we could lose by 50+.
Even tho it sounded like Reggie endorsed these coaches, I think he also has papers drawn up to fire them. Reggie will be the one in the end who has to prove he is the man with the balls. It’s obvious his ‘guy’ and his ‘guys’ dont.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I wonder if Rolando is at this game since he has nothing better to do.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
That article is epic if you’re one that wondered if Mark would have the same desire as Al for winning. Most owners these days care only about being competitive to fill the stands and pocket books.
My question for Reggie would be if he envisions TP learning behind Palmer like Aaron and Brett. Rodgers sat behind him for what, three years? And he was a first round pick.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Seymour might stay next year.
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I can give you 12 million reasons why Seymour will be back next year.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Looks likeSeymour has “settled” on tothe bench for the foreeeable future…how many weeks will it take for him to get into “footbal shape” after this long a lay off? Thanks for Nothing Rich…
December 1st, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Hey Tj, I saw a comment in here from last night bangin on Hue for goin 1-4 down the stretch and how bad we were last year and, get ready for this, DA inherited the same team (Hues’ team from last year). Well, DA instilled a whole new scheme on both sides of the ball and instilled new coaches upon the players. And this is not Hues’ team from last year. Not even remotely close. We’ve cut to many guys and brought in street level FAs’ This years team has Allen all over it. Make no mistake about that.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RaidO Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hue and Mark were not on the same page. That is why he got fired. DA and Mark have a connection. That will go a long way.
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I think the connection is that Mark didn’t hire Hue and was involved, at least sparingly, in hiring DA.
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You dont think Hue’s messiah complex had anything to do with it?
Hue was Al’s boy. Mark was Al’s punching bag.
And then Hue goes on that power rant after the final game…. Mark and Hue were a longshot, Hue drove the nail in the coffin.
The moment Al died, Hue needed to be fostering his relationship with Mark. Instead he picked up where Al left off in many ways.
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Hue was in the “right” for wanting to take control. Mark does not no crap about football. Hue probably saw how AL treated Mark when it came to football decisions.
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But you do understand that while Hue was right to want to take control, he handled it in the worst way possible dont you?
December 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Seymour might stay next year.
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I can give you 12 million reasons why Seymour will be back next year.
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I think JFBs injury settlement theory is the more likely. The groundwork is already being laid.
Seymore might not be able to pass his physical next year. And then wham, he gets paid, and we avoid the cap issues. Everyone wins.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Hue knew the Raiders were going to hire a GM. He should have kept his mouth shut. Maybe he thought Davis would hive him GM powers.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Walrushooker Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
That article is epic if you’re one that wondered if Mark would have the same desire as Al for winning. Most owners these days care only about being competitive to fill the stands and pocket books.
My question for Reggie would be if he envisions TP learning behind Palmer like Aaron and Brett. Rodgers sat behind him for what, three years? And he was a first round pick.
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Im thankful we have a owner that cares about actually winning.
Nothing worse than having a owner that only wants to make money.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Good coaching decision going for two at 21-16. You wonder why NFL coaches don’t do that?
December 1st, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Jenkins isn’t doing anything in this game. I think he is slipping down the draft after this game.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RaidO Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hue and Mark were not on the same page. That is why he got fired. DA and Mark have a connection. That will go a long way.
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I think the connection is that Mark didn’t hire Hue and was involved, at least sparingly, in hiring DA.
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You dont think Hue’s messiah complex had anything to do with it?
Hue was Al’s boy. Mark was Al’s punching bag.
And then Hue goes on that power rant after the final game…. Mark and Hue were a longshot, Hue drove the nail in the coffin.
The moment Al died, Hue needed to be fostering his relationship with Mark. Instead he picked up where Al left off in many ways.
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Hue was in the “right” for wanting to take control. Mark does not no crap about football. Hue probably saw how AL treated Mark when it came to football decisions.
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But you do understand that while Hue was right to want to take control, he handled it in the worst way possible dont you?
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Bottom line, if Mark would have let Hue have “some” control Raiders would be making a playoff run this year.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Good coaching decision going for two at 21-16. You wonder why NFL coaches don’t do that?
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Because their ultraconservative and their is way too much on the line to be anything else.
Its a chess match, not a sprint.
Plus, its a simple numbers game, you have only a 40% chance of converting. Thats not good enough odds. You take the free point and then if you score another TD, the other team cant win with a FG.
Pretty simple.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Seymour might stay next year.
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I can give you 12 million reasons why Seymour will be back next year.
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I think JFBs injury settlement theory is the more likely. The groundwork is already being laid.
Seymore might not be able to pass his physical next year. And then wham, he gets paid, and we avoid the cap issues. Everyone wins.
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Interesting theory. Frankly I think they are giving Seymour time off, taking a look at Bryant and Bilukidi to see if they have any hope of being NFL players. Right now, I think the need is for Seymour to come back for one more season. Unfortunately.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RaidO Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RaidO Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hue and Mark were not on the same page. That is why he got fired. DA and Mark have a connection. That will go a long way.
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I think the connection is that Mark didn’t hire Hue and was involved, at least sparingly, in hiring DA.
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You dont think Hue’s messiah complex had anything to do with it?
Hue was Al’s boy. Mark was Al’s punching bag.
And then Hue goes on that power rant after the final game…. Mark and Hue were a longshot, Hue drove the nail in the coffin.
The moment Al died, Hue needed to be fostering his relationship with Mark. Instead he picked up where Al left off in many ways.
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Hue was in the “right” for wanting to take control. Mark does not no crap about football. Hue probably saw how AL treated Mark when it came to football decisions.
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But you do understand that while Hue was right to want to take control, he handled it in the worst way possible dont you?
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Bottom line, if Mark would have let Hue have “some” control Raiders would be making a playoff run this year.
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No. That isnt the bottom line.
You are ignoring the obvious. Which is that Hue made the scenario you propose impossible the moment he came unglued. Hue only confirmed what the record down the stretch suggested, is that the job was too big for him and he lost his composure.
If you were Mark you would have done the same thing.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Plus, its a simple numbers game, you have only a 40% chance of converting. Thats not good enough odds. You take the free point and then if you score another TD, the other team cant win with a FG.
Pretty simple.
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Good point.
December 1st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I did not read that article and say “all right!! Mark really does care and DA has some passion”
I am mentally unbalanced. I admit it. I am the crazy uncle at family get togethers.
My point is I am crazy but some of you must be something altogether different.
The article did not change my opinion of anything especially the fire in Marks enormous belly
December 1st, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Hue knew the Raiders were going to hire a GM. He should have kept his mouth shut. Maybe he thought Davis would hive him GM powers.
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Exactly. I dont know why this is so hard for the Hue Loyalists to accept.
Mark made no bones about wanting to hire a GM at seasons end. It wasnt a secret. There is no reason Hue should have gone off like he did in the post game presser. Demanding power and all that crap. it was so stupid.
It is exactly how you DONT survive a management change with a company.
Hue knows X’s and O’s. Hue would have started the gutting process a lot earlier. Hue wouldnt have us in the playoffs but we MIGHT be in the hunt. But he also put Mark in a impossible situation. Mark had to fire him.
If you take everything into consideration with Al, the way he treated Mark, and Hue’s relationship with Al…. then it is easy to see why he got fired. Hue couldnt have played his cards worse.
Oh well. Time to move on.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Plus, its a simple numbers game, you have only a 40% chance of converting. Thats not good enough odds. You take the free point and then if you score another TD, the other team cant win with a FG.
Pretty simple.
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Good point.
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It would be interesting to see how the statistics would change if teams actually went for it more often and made it part of the gameplan.
I think there was a college coach this year that refused to punt and also went for all 2 pt conversions. I cant remember the school nor do I know how that worked out for him. Anyone know?
It would also be interesting (and stupid as hell) if they changed the rules and made the conversion a 3 pt conversion if the team took it from the 3 yd line. How many more coaches would be tempted to go for it? It would be hard to pass up. Much harder. It would definitely change the dynamics of the game and make for some odd scores.
Sadly, I can see dumba55 Goodell pushing for something like that. Thankfully he doesnt read this blog. He’d steal my idea and run with it.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:07 pm
I wanted Jarvis Jones in the draft, but after watching this game, I would trade down and draft jordan from oregon, try to sign JPP.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Is there any spot where you can see what the cap hit would be to drop a player? I’d like to see their current cap penalties, players salaries, amount against the cap, and penalties for cutting them for 2013. I think you’d get a legit capture of who’d be gone on this team. If Brisiel is a big penalty, gotta think he stays. Same goes for Kelly, Seymour, Huff, CP3, DMC; I can’t think of any other bloated contracts than those.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:08 pm
RaidO Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RaidO Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hue and Mark were not on the same page. That is why he got fired. DA and Mark have a connection. That will go a long way.
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I think the connection is that Mark didn’t hire Hue and was involved, at least sparingly, in hiring DA.
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You dont think Hue’s messiah complex had anything to do with it?
Hue was Al’s boy. Mark was Al’s punching bag.
And then Hue goes on that power rant after the final game…. Mark and Hue were a longshot, Hue drove the nail in the coffin.
The moment Al died, Hue needed to be fostering his relationship with Mark. Instead he picked up where Al left off in many ways.
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Hue was in the “right” for wanting to take control. Mark does not no crap about football. Hue probably saw how AL treated Mark when it came to football decisions.
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But you do understand that while Hue was right to want to take control, he handled it in the worst way possible dont you?
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Bottom line, if Mark would have let Hue have “some” control Raiders would be making a playoff run this year.
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Bottom bottom line If Al had kept TC as HC with HJ as OC one more year we would be SB bound
December 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Bottom bottom line If Al had kept TC as HC with HJ as OC one more year we would be SB bound
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What about the defense?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
SEC Championship Game is a barn burner
December 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RaidO Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:45 pm
RaidO Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hue and Mark were not on the same page. That is why he got fired. DA and Mark have a connection. That will go a long way.
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I think the connection is that Mark didn’t hire Hue and was involved, at least sparingly, in hiring DA.
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You dont think Hue’s messiah complex had anything to do with it?
Hue was Al’s boy. Mark was Al’s punching bag.
And then Hue goes on that power rant after the final game…. Mark and Hue were a longshot, Hue drove the nail in the coffin.
The moment Al died, Hue needed to be fostering his relationship with Mark. Instead he picked up where Al left off in many ways.
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Hue was in the “right” for wanting to take control. Mark does not no crap about football. Hue probably saw how AL treated Mark when it came to football decisions.
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But you do understand that while Hue was right to want to take control, he handled it in the worst way possible dont you?
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Bottom line, if Mark would have let Hue have “some” control Raiders would be making a playoff run this year.
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No. That isnt the bottom line.
You are ignoring the obvious. Which is that Hue made the scenario you propose impossible the moment he came unglued. Hue only confirmed what the record down the stretch suggested, is that the job was too big for him and he lost his composure.
If you were Mark you would have done the same thing.
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Actually Hue “lost” JC and DMAC. Thats what put him under.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Bottom bottom line If Al had kept TC as HC with HJ as OC one more year we would be SB bound
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What about the defense?
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John Marshall was the DC under Cable. And he did a good job.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Robert Lester in the 3rd? I don’t think so
December 1st, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Seymour will not be back next year.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Bottom bottom line If Al had kept TC as HC with HJ as OC one more year we would be SB bound
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Looking at it in retrospect Cable was the one that had the players attention, he had the players believing, Cable was the one that turned the team around, Cable was the one that instituted his offense, Cable had John Marshall as a solid DC. Where we would be with Cable, Jackson and Marshall? Probably better than where we are right now.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Seymour will not be back next year.
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Is he going to be in Denver?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Ive said it for 4 weeks already.
Raiders need to Draft
Running back – Eddie Lacy from bama
or
Running back – Stefan Taylor from Stanford?
any objections??
December 1st, 2012 at 4:18 pm
“Scouting” potential playas for the Raids in the ALabama Georgia game. Gotta say I’m rooting for Georgia after are recent troubles with their alum (McTwitter).
That John Jenkins DT guy looks big enough, but not impressing strength wise as much as Suh did in College.
P.S. Although Bama’s in my dog house, that Lacey guy looks like a bruiser at RB, we need one of those in Silver and Black…
December 1st, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Is this what Trent Richardson is going to do to us tomorrow?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
TC would not have had to fix the D if Marshall was still there, otherwise TC would have laid down the pimp hand on the D like he did the rest of the team
No knuckleheads, be a knucklehead and meet the pimp hand
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
could be .. but these guys run hard mayne.
Eddie Lacy reminds me of a Bush..or mini big richardson.
Plus he can cut back too.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders need to get a 2nd round pick somehow.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Plunketthead Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
TC would not have had to fix the D if Marshall was still there, otherwise TC would have laid down the pimp hand on the D like he did the rest of the team
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That all safety defense against the Jags is what got Marshall fired.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:24 pm
word.. sucks they gotta give that to those shyyty bengals.
DMAC gonna be traded, Branch possibly.. Huff possibly. In fact all guys are up on the trade block when you are rebuilding a team.
We need all the draft pics we can get , thats why I think Raiders trade down from 1st pick.
jarvis jones really doesnt look like a top 3 pick to me
December 1st, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders need to get a 2nd round pick somehow.
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mcFadden and McClain for a 2nd rounder?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders need to get a 2nd round pick somehow.
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Trade DMAC, there is your 2nd round pick
December 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Lacy = overrated i mean he has an nfl kind OL blocking for him
December 1st, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Walrushooker Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Is there any spot where you can see what the cap hit would be to drop a player? I’d like to see their current cap penalties, players salaries, amount against the cap, and penalties for cutting them for 2013. I think you’d get a legit capture of who’d be gone on this team. If Brisiel is a big penalty, gotta think he stays. Same goes for Kelly, Seymour, Huff, CP3, DMC; I can’t think of any other bloated contracts than those.
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Guaranteed salary is what counts against the cap.
If a player is cut, then it flips and its the signing bonus money that is counted.
That is the simple explanation of the checks and balances that is the salary cap.
And that is why cutting Seymore this past offseason wasnt worth anything. His salary was split evenly 7.5 million guaranteed and 7.5 million in bonus. Nothing woulda came off the cap had we cut him.
With the guys you named, it all depends on how their contract was structured. When were they paid the bonus money?
That is why you see players want new deals so early. Once they get their bonus money up front, any of the remaining money is far from guaranteed so a resign or restructure is needed to ensure their tenure.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Devilr8er Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders need to get a 2nd round pick somehow.
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Trade DMAC, there is your 2nd round pick
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Sounds good. My ideal trade would be McFadden and Palmer to the Jets for their #1.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm
looks like jarvis jones stock is dropping, not the v. miller type
December 1st, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Devilr8er Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders need to get a 2nd round pick somehow.
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Trade DMAC, there is your 2nd round pick
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Sounds good. My ideal trade would be McFadden and Palmer to the Jets for their #1.
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And who’s going to play qb and Rb 4 u Pryor and Goodson? Geez 0-16 in 13!
December 1st, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Anyone know if the game tomorrow is televised tape delayed locally? Channel, time?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:32 pm
“The scariest thing in the Reggie Q&A was that, with Palmer on the roster, he said he didn’t have quality leaders on this team. Obviously, he doesn’t like slowlando, but that comment speaks volumes on his thoughts of Palmer. I’ve always liked CP3, but after that comment, I may be buying into the time for Pryor group.”
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It’s difficult to parse Reggie-speak, but I didn’t read it that way. I read that he was calling out CP3 as an example of bringing in newer guys that show leadership where the old guard is failing.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Ogletree and Murray’s stock going up.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders need to get a 2nd round pick somehow.
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We got plenty of bait if we play our cards right.
If Pryor shines in his action at the end of this season, Palmer will fetch a decent pick.
Someone out their is dumb enough to take DMC as well.
McClain is most likely untradeable. Though, you’d like to see us get something for him. A 7th rounder would have been nice to use on Burfict this past year. Their’s a Burfict in every draft.
Would anyone give us anything for Kelly? Probably not. Louis Murphy only got us a 7th rounder right? What did Bruce Campbell get us? I doubt he even gets shopped. What an embarrasing phone call….
“Um yeah, hey, Bellicheck, yeah, its me Reggie. I was wondering if you would be interested in Baltic Avenue….. ummm all I want in return is your next community chest or chance card…… deal?”
December 1st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Sounds good. My ideal trade would be McFadden and Palmer to the Jets for their #1.
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And who’s going to play qb and Rb 4 u Pryor and Goodson? Geez 0-16 in 13!
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yup. 0-16 here we come…
December 1st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Man that Olgetree LB from Georiga is looking like he is everywhere! Is he up for the draft?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:33 pm
And who’s going to play qb and Rb 4 u Pryor and Goodson? Geez 0-16 in 13!
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Pryor, a rookie, or Alex Smith. Reece has outperformed McFadden this year.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Devilr8er Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders need to get a 2nd round pick somehow.
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Trade DMAC, there is your 2nd round pick
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Sounds good. My ideal trade would be McFadden and Palmer to the Jets for their #1.
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I’d do that for their 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. No less.
And just roll with Pryor regardless of the consequences.
Tannenbaum is dumb enough to do it too.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Devilr8er Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:22 pm
The Raiders need to get a 2nd round pick somehow.
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Trade DMAC, there is your 2nd round pick
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Sounds good. My ideal trade would be McFadden and Palmer to the Jets for their #1.
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If rex survives, which I doubt, he and jets management would be crazy enough to pull the trigger.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
JB Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Anyone know if the game tomorrow is televised tape delayed locally? Channel, time?
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No tape delay. If it is blacked out, it is blacked out.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Can we give them McClain for Tebow as well?
I hate Tebow, but you cant deny his leadership. And he’s gotta be a better MLB than McClain has been.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
The Jets are going to have a top 10 pick also. Reggie could trade down with that pick and get extra picks.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Raiders could never get a 2nd round pick for DMAC.
If he kicks ass for the next 5 games, who knows.
Might as well keep him if the coaches figure out how to run him.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Can we give them McClain for Tebow as well?
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I would do that. That would be like trading Satan for Jesus.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:37 pm
WHAT??? Yet ANOTHER MURDERER in the [NFL]Negro Felony League…what a suprise!!! NOT……thank god it was not another stupid WHITE girl. Pretty damn common for a black feetsballer (or hell, any black) to murder their girlfriend, but pretty damn rare for one to commit suicide afterwards. Blacks have the lowest rates of suicide of any race, probably due to their difficulty with introspective thought.
Apparently this guy had enough self-awareness to know that there was no recovery from what he had just done, and took himself out. What do you call a murder-suicide of two negroids?
A good start. ……NO story here = BACK TO FOOTBALL!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Seriously….
Call up Rex Ryan and offer
Palmer, DMC, Kelly, & McClain
For their first 4 picks in the draft.
We’ll also throw in a foot fetish DVD as well.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Manti Te’o our #1 pick and NEW DEFENSIVE LEADER for the next 10-12 years.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Yeah, if McFadden kicks ass the last 5 games. You would probably want to keep him. We’ll see.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Raider( since 1967
★★★★★★★
CAN ANYONE CALL GRUDEN ON HIS CELL PLEASE?
Tell him that he can put his feet on top of REGGIE’s
desk !
December 1st, 2012 at 4:39 pm
It looks like Fangs is back with his 3rd handle.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The more I think about it, McClain for Tebow is a great idea.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:37 am
Riff,
Boy?
Dr. Roberts (a racist Troll) sent you packing?
How old are you? You sound like a troll dude.
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i’m racist? utterly ridiculous. u don’t pay attention.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Raiders for life Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Raiders could never get a 2nd round pick for DMAC.
If he kicks ass for the next 5 games, who knows.
Might as well keep him if the coaches figure out how to run him.
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If we can’t get him to run well from the backfield then make him our WR out of the slot. That should scare he schit out of everyone.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
How many picks to we have this year? 6 total?
And we have Palmer, DMC, & McClain as semi-legitimate-maybe-probably not trade bait.
And we need:
WR, C, RT, DE, MLB, CB, CB, TE
Trading those three for picks or players could help us boost that 6 up to 9 or 10.
Between free agency and the draft, we could easily fill those 8 holes with the 10 picks/new players.
Its fun to dream isnt it?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Manti Te’o our #1 pick and NEW DEFENSIVE LEADER for the next 10-12 years.
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would be a good pick, but I think we need to build our D-Line, draft Star from Utah, or trade down and draft Dion Jordan from Oregon. We need to sign JPP
December 1st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Yeah, if McFadden kicks ass the last 5 games. You would probably want to keep him. We’ll see.
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Honestly thought…
Would you rather have the best RB in the league (who cant stay healty)
or a stud LB or DE?
The answer is easy for me.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Can we give them McClain for Tebow as well?
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I would do that. That would be like trading Satan for Jesus.
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that made me laugh.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
DMac is untradeable. His contract in 2013 is almost $6M, plus an additional $2M in amortized bonus that I’m not sure how a trade impacts. If the trading team inherits that it’s $8M for a RB that can’t stay healthy and that has shown he can only work in limited systems. Who’s buying that?
I see that Raiders having their hands forced and cutting him to save the almost $6M in cap hit and eating the other $2M. That $6M can be spent to upgrade the RT position AND pick up another couple of Goodson type free agents to see which will work in the system.
The only way I see them getting compensation is in biting the bullet and keeping him through 2013 and then collecting maybe a compensatory 4th when he signs elsewhere as an UFA, assuming he puls a big enough contract even though he’ll be a 7th year RB with high mileage.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
JB Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
If we can’t get him to run well from the backfield then make him our WR out of the slot. That should scare he schit out of everyone.
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Problem with that is since Week 2 McFadden has more drops than receptions. Seriously.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Is it of any concern to anyone that the owner is breeching chain of command by going directly to the HC and having “spirited” discussion with him?
Would Pat Bowlen go directly to Fox and bypass Elway?
I know each org. is different and i like what Mark did, just curious if this is a weird thing Mark did by going up to DA directly and challenging him like this.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Need: New GM
December 1st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Would you rather have the best RB in the league (who cant stay healty)
or a stud LB or DE?
The answer is easy for me.
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That’s easy for me too. I’d rather have the LB or DE. It’s easier to find a RB in the later rounds.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
here’s a thought on the heisman:
which guy would u rather have on ur team if u were a college coach? manziell or teo?
i would take teo.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Need: New GM
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need: new subject.
aren’t u tired of urself yet?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Devilr8er Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Manti Te’o our #1 pick and NEW DEFENSIVE LEADER for the next 10-12 years.
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would be a good pick, but I think we need to build our D-Line, draft Star from Utah, or trade down and draft Dion Jordan from Oregon. We need to sign JPP
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Agree–Our Current injured/soft DTs would ruin Te’o plus he’s a 3-4 guy
December 1st, 2012 at 4:46 pm
devilr8er Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Manti Te’o our #1 pick and NEW DEFENSIVE LEADER for the next 10-12 years.
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would be a good pick, but I think we need to build our D-Line, draft Star from Utah, or trade down and draft Dion Jordan from Oregon. We need to sign JPP
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Agreed. And McKenzie basically said the same thing. You have to win the line play. And we are not winning the line play.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:46 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Is it of any concern to anyone that the owner is breeching chain of command by going directly to the HC and having “spirited” discussion with him?
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It seemed like Reggie was in on the conversation.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
We better get a Qb next year!
Dude we have so many hurt players that we should
Build a hospital in the sidelines!
ALABAMA IS GOING TO GIVE SOME RUBBER!
TEXAS Vs KANSAS ST
TEXAS 34 – KANSAS 31
December 1st, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
DMac is untradeable. His contract in 2013 is almost $6M, plus an additional $2M in amortized bonus that I’m not sure how a trade impacts. If the trading team inherits that it’s $8M for a RB that can’t stay healthy and that has shown he can only work in limited systems. Who’s buying that?
I see that Raiders having their hands forced and cutting him to save the almost $6M in cap hit and eating the other $2M. That $6M can be spent to upgrade the RT position AND pick up another couple of Goodson type free agents to see which will work in the system.
The only way I see them getting compensation is in biting the bullet and keeping him through 2013 and then collecting maybe a compensatory 4th when he signs elsewhere as an UFA, assuming he puls a big enough contract even though he’ll be a 7th year RB with high mileage.
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This is a very sobering post.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Can we give them McClain for Tebow as well?
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I would do that. That would be like trading Satan for Jesus.
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that made me laugh.
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That would be an insult to Satan.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:46 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Is it of any concern to anyone that the owner is breeching chain of command by going directly to the HC and having “spirited” discussion with him?
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It seemed like Reggie was in on the conversation.
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Yeah, its not like he went around Reggies back. They were all within earshot of each other.
It was the perfect way to handle it.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I don’t think Te’o will fall to the Raiders. I hope they can get a stud D lineman.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Need: New GM
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What are you talking about? Elway is doing a good job in Denver.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Would you rather have the best RB in the league (who cant stay healty)
or a stud LB or DE?
The answer is easy for me.
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That’s easy for me too. I’d rather have the LB or DE. It’s easier to find a RB in the later rounds.
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I love DMC. I seriously love his home run power.
But Im fine with Stevens and Goodson right now. Theyre doing just enough. We have so many other needs.
We need a Howie Long and Rod Martin on this team so bad. A Ted Hendricks wouldnt hurt either.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
How many picks to we have this year? 6 total?
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Actually 5
Then whatever they get for Murphy
And hopefully comp picks for Soup and Bush
I think.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Other teams probably know that Dmac isn’t a ZBS running back, or that our o-line sucks. I bet their our some teams willing to trade for him.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
How many picks to we have this year? 6 total?
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Actually 5
Then whatever they get for Murphy
And hopefully comp picks for Soup and Bush
I think.
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I think the Raiders are getting a 7th for Murphy. That would make 6 picks.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:52 pm
We need twelve picks scattered thru the draft. So it’s like two drafts.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:49 pm
I don’t think Te’o will fall to the Raiders. I hope they can get a stud D lineman.
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And that is one of the very good reasons to let TP start the remaining games.
Total youth movement.
Marks Hair was right when he wanted the fire sale and to start preparing for 2013.
We gain nothing by winning games out. Lets develop the young guys. As long as the front office, coaching staff, and Palmer are all on the same page, we have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:52 pm
We need twelve picks scattered thru the draft. So it’s like two drafts.
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12?
How do you figure
December 1st, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Wow, that receiver really effed up.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Its funny tho about the McTwitter, that suspension w/o pay would NEVER have happened under Al Davis. Finally some discipline for the KNuckleheads
December 1st, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:50 pm
How many picks to we have this year? 6 total?
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Actually 5
Then whatever they get for Murphy
And hopefully comp picks for Soup and Bush
I think.
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We have:
1st
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
7th (from Carolina)
That’s 7 picks currently right?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:54 pm
We need to accumulate more picks. As many as possible.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Reggie has a great eye for talent. Just look at all of his shrewd signings this season. One more year of direct hits from Reggie and the Raiders will be back in the Super Bowl.
I also think Reggie is scoring a lot of points in the locker room with the way he handled the McClain situation.
I expect a great effort from the D tomorrow in an impressive Raider victory.
In Reggie we trust.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Its Funny to see to chitty QBs on such good teams.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:55 pm
No 5th, Curry took that with him
December 1st, 2012 at 4:56 pm
1st
3rd
4th
5th
6th
7th
7th (from Carolina)
That’s 7 picks currently right?
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We don’t have a 5th rounder (most likely) because of the Curry trade.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Its crazy how these top program coaches still dont know situational football or how to coach.
Georgia fckd up big time and its gonna take awhile for them to get over that.
Clock the ball MURRAY
December 1st, 2012 at 4:56 pm
we need smart players on this team, not like that dumba$$ that caught the ball for GA with 5 sec left inbounds
December 1st, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Trade Palmer perhaps. Trade DMc if possible. Any other big contracts with questionable results.
Trade down. Accumulate talent. Put it on Reggie.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Other teams probably know that Dmac isn’t a ZBS running back, or that our o-line sucks. I bet their our some teams willing to trade for him.
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2010 season and his days at Arkansas proves he can run a ZBS
It’s Briesel that is going to be impossible to trade.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Why on Earth wouldn’t Georgia spike the ball at the end, get settled and call two plays?
Bad coaching.
Don’t worry Aaron, in the big leagues they will prep you for that.
Kid has heart, I want him on the team.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:57 pm
There u go hunter. Ur finally getting it!
December 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
I would like to see the Raiders win a game.
I always enjoy that under any circumstances.
We’ll still get a good pick in the 1st round either way.
Even a Palmer guy like myself though, would like to see Pryor.
How about Pryor wins a game for us?
There we go.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Raider( since 1967)
★★★★★★★★
No one lasts 15 Yrs in the NFL
What do think that TEO IS AN EXTRATERRESTIAL ?
Can anyone tell me please who’s going to be
Our first draft pic?
December 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Manti Te’o our #1 pick and NEW DEFENSIVE LEADER for the next 10-12 years.
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I remember people in here saying the same thing about Rolando McClain 3 years ago. You just don’t know.
Everyone swore Mr Davis wouldn’t draft a LB that high or even in the 1st rnd. When we picked him the pundits said sanity finally reigned in Raiderville and called it an un Davis draft because we took two sound picks in rnds1 & 2.
I think Ro is a player and I also think Reggie thinks he is, the difference is has he wore out his welcome here? Tarver says he has a great relationship with MClain but who knows. I’m starting to think Rolando may have a chnage of heart and see the wisdom in staying and fulfilling his NFL dream here. Just a gut feeling! JMHO! no need for you to agree JMHO!
He needs to start playing to his talent and hustling giving his all on every play. He may not be a star but what we need at that position is effort and instinct and playmaking. Most in here would say he can’t do it I happen to disagree. I think this player is disillusioned demoralized and doesn’t want to be here. But if we can salvage him we win rather than give him away and watch him blossom somewhere else.
December 1st, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Best player I saw today that we should look at, is the Womack guard for ‘Bama.
They always say you don’t draft guards that high, yet whenever one is (Iupati, Hutchinson) they are world-class.
Not to mention a stud guard to replace Briesel might represent the biggest possible upgrade to the team.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Jarvis Jones = not at all impressive
Would fit in nicely for the Raiders defense of late.
Get gashed on the run, but get enough sacks to warrant being overpaid.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:00 pm
First pick? Teo. He may not be an extra terrestrial but he’s a Mormon. So he believes he will get a planet when he dies.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Other teams probably know that Dmac isn’t a ZBS running back, or that our o-line sucks. I bet their our some teams willing to trade for him.
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Name 1 team that will trade anything at all for an RB (not named Adrian Peterson) with a 1 year $8M contract. Who would take that kind of cap hit for a player that will be unrestricted the following season?
December 1st, 2012 at 5:01 pm
UnDavis type draft they swore that Tom Cable made those picks. McClain and Houston but now everyone wants to use revisionous history. Another failed Al Davis pick Rolando was widely viewed as a sure fire can’t miss pick. So what happened? The NFL happened the kid just needs to growup………period
December 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Didn’t the Jets end up with Glass Shilens? They or Dallas might want a McFadden for a 2nd rounder…
December 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I’m gonna try and present a scenario for tomorrow that will get us a higher draft pick and help Allen keep his job. Palmer bangs his thumb and gets injured in the first quarter. They have to put Leinart in. Pryor plays the second half. The defense steps up and shuts down Richardson. The team shows heart and plays hard in the mud. But, the Browns pull it off at the end 20-17 when Pryor fumbles after being sacked.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Not to make too much light of things here, but after today’s events, how can KC NOT draft an inspirational, franchise face like Te’o??
We aren’t going to get the chance to draft him. No sense even talking about it.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I read in another site the speculation that if Pryor is asked to run some plays tomorrow, he’s only being showcased for trade bait.
Unless there’s a major awakening from the ZarMac, the Raiders will continue with Carcux even if Pryor excels, I just can’t see the ZarMac or Junior having any interest giving Pryor the starting job, they’re too invested in Carcux, who knows hopefully Marky has other ideas.
At the very least it’s good to read that Marky has some gonads and cares for his team, I don’t like the idea that self-proclaimed ZarMac wants all the power.
The Raiders have no business losing to the Browns at the very least on paper, the team should be fired up after the McClain meltdown, one would hope, of course, they could also come out and lay down once again.
The Raiders killed me the last two weeks, but hey I’m getting 3 points at home, that should be a lock.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Yeah. We are likely stuck with DMc. Unless we release him. We will see if he’s got anything left as soon as he plays.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Trent Richardson is gonna get bottled up tomorrow.
Raiders win 20-10
December 1st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Manti Te’o our #1 pick and NEW DEFENSIVE LEADER for the next 10-12 years.
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I remember people in here saying the same thing about Rolando McClain 3 years ago. You just don’t know.
Everyone swore Mr Davis wouldn’t draft a LB that high or even in the 1st rnd. When we picked him the pundits said sanity finally reigned in Raiderville and called it an un Davis draft because we took two sound picks in rnds1 & 2.
I think Ro is a player and I also think Reggie thinks he is, the difference is has he wore out his welcome here? Tarver says he has a great relationship with MClain but who knows. I’m starting to think Rolando may have a chnage of heart and see the wisdom in staying and fulfilling his NFL dream here. Just a gut feeling! JMHO! no need for you to agree JMHO!
He needs to start playing to his talent and hustling giving his all on every play. He may not be a star but what we need at that position is effort and instinct and playmaking. Most in here would say he can’t do it I happen to disagree. I think this player is disillusioned demoralized and doesn’t want to be here. But if we can salvage him we win rather than give him away and watch him blossom somewhere else.
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First off….. If we aint switching to a 3-4, we cant keep Rolando.
And if we switch to a 3-4, we still need another ILB.
But Im done with Ro. First and foremost he doesnt pass the eye test. Look at his arms. They are Kobe beef. No definition whatsoever! That is not the look of a stud linebacker. That isnt even the look of a pro athlete.
If he doesnt train, he probably isnt studying. He’s a bum. He will be a gonner. And for good reason.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
[regarding DMac's tradability]
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2010 season and his days at Arkansas proves he can run a ZBS
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And Reece’s performance in the same scheme, despite being very slow on the RB scale, shows that the scheme with the Raiders personnel does work. Which implies that it just doesn’t work with DMac, indicating the DMac is not all that great in the ZBS.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Forget Te’o and forget Jarvis jones. TRADE DOWN and collect more picks.
Pick up DION JORDAN who scouts compare to Aldon smith.
I’d take Alec Olgetree over TEO too.
and lol at lacy being overated. The guy ia projected 3rd round pick.
Trade palmer. Guess what MOCK 2014 draft via walterootball
December 1st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Other teams probably know that Dmac isn’t a ZBS running back, or that our o-line sucks. I bet their our some teams willing to trade for him.
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Name 1 team that will trade anything at all for an RB (not named Adrian Peterson) with a 1 year $8M contract. Who would take that kind of cap hit for a player that will be unrestricted the following season?
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Couldn’t they rework his contract.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:04 pm
McFadden’s trade value is around a 4th rounder.
If he made half his salary, or had more years on his contract, maybe a 2nd rounder.
RB’s have no value. Marshall Faulk was in the middle of his HOF career, was fresh off a 2,000 yard from scrimmage season, and was traded for a 2nd rounder.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:04 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:00 pm
First pick? Teo. He may not be an extra terrestrial but he’s a Mormon. So he believes he will get a planet when he dies.
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Wonder why he didn’t go to BYU then?
I wonder how the church elders feel seeing Teo sing “Notre Dame you are my Mother” after home games?
December 1st, 2012 at 5:05 pm
2014 walter football mock draft.
NUMBER 1 pick LOL.. they have the raiders taking
1. Oakland Raiders: Jadeveon Clowney, DE, South Carolina
2013 NFL Mock Draft selection: DeMarcus Milliner, CB
The Raiders are going to need some young difference-makers on their defensive line.
A prep superstar, Clowney was the top recruit in the nation and didn’t disappoint as a freshman. He was the 2011 SEC Freshman of the Year and a Second-Team All-SEC selection.
Clowney showed off elite speed and athleticism as a pass-rusher. He totaled 36 tackles, eight sacks, 12 tackles for a loss and five forced fumbles. Clowney did well against top competition including a good game against Georgia’s Cordy Glenn.
The 6-foot-6, 256-pounder has been a dominant force this year, and already is one of the best players in college football. He could turn into the Andrew Luck of defensive draft prospects; a high-pick lock who is extremely coveted by every team in the NFL. The scary part: Clowney could be become even better as he gains strength. The sophomore has 43 tackles, 17 tackles for a loss and 8.5 sacks in 2012. He is impossible to single-block.
Pass along your thoughts on this mock. I’ll put together a mail bag periodically that answers questions/comments sent via email draftcampbell@gmail.com or on Twitter @draftcampbell.
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They have JOHNNY MANZIEL going 2
and Teddy Bridgewater going 6th! lol
December 1st, 2012 at 5:05 pm
If the Raiders end up with a top 3 pick I could see Reg pulling a deal like the Rams did last draft.
Get a lower 1st pick and a 2nd from a team that’s more desperate (lol) than the Raiders.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Football in the mud is the way it’s supposed to be.
I hope we’re “mudders”.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:07 pm
zopi Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I read in another site the speculation that if Pryor is asked to run some plays tomorrow, he’s only being showcased for trade bait.
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That may well be the speculation but I don’t think Mark will let that happen if he does well.
This was dad’s last draft pick.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:07 pm
If the Raiders end up with a top 3 pick I could see Reg pulling a deal like the Rams did last draft.
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You only get those types of packages for a QB.
No QB is going to fetch that price. We could trade down, but we won’t get close to what the Rams got.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:03 pm
[regarding DMac's tradability]
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2010 season and his days at Arkansas proves he can run a ZBS
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And Reece’s performance in the same scheme, despite being very slow on the RB scale, shows that the scheme with the Raiders personnel does work. Which implies that it just doesn’t work with DMac, indicating the DMac is not all that great in the ZBS.
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And there in lies the conundrum with DMC.
Your points are super valid.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Richardson will have 100 yards rushing at halftime.
Browns 38 Raiders 24
December 1st, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Gotta run guys…. Its been another intelligent day of chatting.
See yall tomorrow.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:10 pm
WOW….i could start a whole new nfl team made up entirely of black murderers and rapists!….since LA needs a team…i’ll called them the LA CONVICTS….Vick @ QB…OJ Simpson @ RB…Carruth @ WR…Meggett @ KR/PR…L.Taylor @ LB…etc…etc….so many to pick from!!!….new slogan “COMMITTMENT TO CRIME”….WHAT A TEAM!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 5:12 pm
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★★★★★★★
REGGIE PLEASE! GET RID OF KNAPP !
Before the year is over, clean up before 2013
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START WITH GOODLUCK AND THE FREE AGENCY AND THE DRAFT.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:13 pm
You only get those types of packages for a QB.
No QB is going to fetch that price. We could trade down, but we won’t get close to what the Rams got.
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Yea, good point JFB
It will be interesting to see what the Reg man does.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:14 pm
I know people will focus for now on the suicide, but that guy is a murderer, the first murderer since Rae Carruth.
They will draft the freshest, cheeriest face to try to rearview that whole mess.
Enter Te’O
December 1st, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Clowney’s still just a kid, which makes his accomplishments even more amazing. If he grows into his body and comes into the league at 270 or so he will be a sight to see on the football field.
Can’t remember the name of the DE that plays opposite of him at South Carolina, but he’s no slouch either.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Did anyone read that article above I posted?
Mark Davis talks to allen after the cincy game. Great read.
Good to hear mark asking allen questions.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:18 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:07 pm
zopi Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:02 pm
I read in another site the speculation that if Pryor is asked to run some plays tomorrow, he’s only being showcased for trade bait.
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That may well be the speculation but I don’t think Mark will let that happen if he does well.
This was dad’s last draft pick.
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I think (er, hope) that the motivation in playing him is indeed showcasing in order to elevate his trade value. The fact that he hasn’t been in AT ALL so far shows that he’s just not showing the competence (aka learning ability) in the system that he should.
It’ll be very telling to see how he is used in the games coming up. If they are a very limited playbook that is designed to show his strengths (moving in the pocket and hitting the primary target or taking off running) and hiding his weaknesses (pre-snap read/adjustments and finding secondary and tertiary targets) then we’ll know that it’s about showcasing. I’d say plays that are designed boots with a single pass/run option and some play action run fakes where he looks for a single target on like a quick out.
If instead they put him in situations where he has too much of a chance of failure — like running the actual offense — then it’ll be more a case of them seeing if he really can cut it or not as a viable starter for the team down the road.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:18 pm
So if Hue’s 1-4 record to end the season isn’t good enough, does that mean I can get my dream of Mark firing Tits?
December 1st, 2012 at 5:19 pm
@444
Yes, best thing about that was when Mark talked about players and coaches. ” Do you want me to fight for you?”
December 1st, 2012 at 5:21 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:18 pm
So if Hue’s 1-4 record to end the season isn’t good enough, does that mean I can get my dream of Mark firing Tits?
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It’s fitting that you ‘douche bag’ is in your handle.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I think (er, hope) that the motivation in playing him is indeed showcasing in order to elevate his trade value. The fact that he hasn’t been in AT ALL so far shows that he’s just not showing the competence (aka learning ability) in the system that he should.
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Another sterotypical comment by another uninformed bigot.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Mark is gonna be more involved than we may have thought.
He’s like the advocate for the impetuous fan.
“I was pissed off”
“It’s not good enough”
He’s saying everything to DA that I want to say.
I’m buying a Mark Davis t-shirt.
Everyone in the black hole should be wearing Mark Davis wigs tomorrow.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:25 pm
You guys never stop do you? every black QB who doesn’t play 3 x’s better has a learning disability………..lol
December 1st, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Word is Mark Davis is really gonna go nutz if the Raiders lose tommorow to the Browns.
Allen knows its somewhat of an unoffical must win GAME
December 1st, 2012 at 5:26 pm
also
Vic Tafur@VicTafur
Raiders coaches, players hopeful about LB Gaither. Club didn’t pull plug on McClain earlier because no faith in Blackstock in ‘11 or Goethel
December 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Everyone in the black hole should be wearing Mark Davis wigs tomorrow.
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lol, dye them black and it would look like a bunch of Ramones fans.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Word is Mark Davis is really gonna go nutz if the Raiders lose tommorow to the Browns.
Allen knows its somewhat of an unoffical must win GAME
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It’s DA’s “legacy” game.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:28 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Word is Mark Davis is really gonna go nutz if the Raiders lose tommorow to the Browns.
Allen knows its somewhat of an unoffical must win GAME
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It’s DA’s “legacy” game.
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LOL
December 1st, 2012 at 5:29 pm
When is Tommy Kelly’s ‘legacy game’?
December 1st, 2012 at 5:30 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Mark is gonna be more involved than we may have thought.
He’s like the advocate for the impetuous fan.
“I was pissed off”
“It’s not good enough”
He’s saying everything to DA that I want to say.
I’m buying a Mark Davis t-shirt.
Everyone in the black hole should be wearing Mark Davis wigs tomorrow.
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Go find a Bucky Larson T-shirt
Born to be a Star
December 1st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I would say it’s a legacy game for a number of players.
Tomorrow would be a good day to show up ready to play.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:32 pm
why not convert PRYOR to a WR?? or RZ / dual threat?
The guy is the most athletic guy on the team outside DMAC.. and he has SPEED SPEED AND MORE SPEED.
I’d keep a guy like that on my team for a while till he develops into something. Plus he is Marks dad last draft pick. Hope mark gives him a chance.
Im im Pryor i’d already have Mark Davis texting number.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:32 pm
It embarrasses me that I read disgusting comments joking about a person committing suicide. Are you people really that cruel?
December 1st, 2012 at 5:33 pm
If* im pryor I’d already have Mark Davis texting number
December 1st, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I think (er, hope) that the motivation in playing him is indeed showcasing in order to elevate his trade value. The fact that he hasn’t been in AT ALL so far shows that he’s just not showing the competence (aka learning ability) in the system that he should.
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Another sterotypical comment by another uninformed bigot.
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i don’t think pryor has a problem learning the system at all. his ONLY problem is mechanics and poor accuracy due to it.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I would say it’s a legacy game for a number of players.
Tomorrow would be a good day to show up ready to play.
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mark davis just said it’s basically a 5 game “legacy” period for everyone.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:38 pm
and for all the morons who refused to see what i was saying, mark davis said himself, hue’s 1-4 record down the stretch is what got him fired. mark just couldn’t stick up for him after that. and if u see by that statement, reggie was the one who wanted a new guy.
so, i’ve said over and over that hue was fired for two reasons:
1) 1-4 down the stretch made it easy.
2) reggie wanted his own guy.
confirmed by today’s story.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:38 pm
While I appreciate Mark Davis’ passion and wanting to win, I hope it’s tempered with an understanding of the big picture, and the plan that McKenzie is attempting to put into place.
The last thing we need is another Davis knee-jerking us into constant turmoil again.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:39 pm
prediction:
pryor will get a little time this season. maybe 30 attempts.
he will not look good as a passer.
he will be converted to a WR in the offseason. and he will be amazing.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Mr. Davis is not pleased.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:39 pm
458,
I don’t mean that in an anti-DA way.
I’m talking after a big loss i wish i could express “the angry Raider fan” in me like Mark did and someone listen to me.
Actually, it’s kind of sad that i’m getting used to having my sundays ruined by watching this team.
Now, i plan for it and if we win…hey..it’ll be a bonus.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:41 pm
believe me. no standard qb with pryor’s mechanics would even be in the nfl. well, except for tebow. he is here because of his uncanny athleticism and tools. if, after two season, it becomes obvious he won’t be a qb, then a position change could save him.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:38 pm
and for all the morons who refused to see what i was saying, mark davis said himself, hue’s 1-4 record down the stretch is what got him fired. mark just couldn’t stick up for him after that. and if u see by that statement, reggie was the one who wanted a new guy.
so, i’ve said over and over that hue was fired for two reasons:
1) 1-4 down the stretch made it easy.
2) reggie wanted his own guy.
confirmed by today’s story.
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That was your ‘legacy’ post.
Good job.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
qb’s with pryor’s mechanics rarely make into a camp, let alone survive that camp.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:43 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:42 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:38 pm
and for all the morons who refused to see what i was saying, mark davis said himself, hue’s 1-4 record down the stretch is what got him fired. mark just couldn’t stick up for him after that. and if u see by that statement, reggie was the one who wanted a new guy.
so, i’ve said over and over that hue was fired for two reasons:
1) 1-4 down the stretch made it easy.
2) reggie wanted his own guy.
confirmed by today’s story.
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That was your ‘legacy’ post.
Good job.
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i was hoping my legacy might have more greatness but ok.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Lol @ riff mark does kind of look like bucky Larson. Hehe thats funny
December 1st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
where’s mistic today?
i need me some missdick.
i need more:
golden haired hero
space-age attack
wave of the future
legacy game
he’s just too valuable to this blog.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Hue was fired because Reggie wanted all the credit if the team was a success. He must now shoulder the responsibility of this team becoming a disgrace.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:46 pm
favorite post regarding mark davis ever:
klas: back when mark davis’ haircut was popular, u could be beheaded for that.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:47 pm
i miss klas. hope jail is treating him ok.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:49 pm
raider(since 1967)
★★★★★★★
Are we getting a Qb this year? Who
Anyone looks like a BRADY?
Can’t wait till APRIL 2013!
IF PLANET NIRIBU DOESN’T DISTROY THE EARTH
December 1st, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:46 pm
favorite post regarding mark davis ever:
klas: back when mark davis’ haircut was popular, u could be beheaded for that.
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LOL, what ever happened to that guy?
December 1st, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Dr. Rob,
We all have the right to arbitrarily pick out random things and say it’s a “legacy” thing.
I learned that the other night.
No limit to the legacy’s either.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:50 pm
he came on here and said he was going to jail for awhile for weed.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:51 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Dr. Rob,
We all have the right to arbitrarily pick out random things and say it’s a “legacy” thing.
I learned that the other night.
No limit to the legacy’s either.
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LOL. missdick. he’s precious.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I agree Chappy. Reg blows.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Most everyone thinks the kid has a learning problem just based on his skin color. You’ve all been programmed to feel that way. I’ve seen it come out the mouths of some of the most respected poster in here and the majority of the rest of you.
Pryor is a very bright driven young man, as was Kaepernick prior to his starting but you know what the average person I talked to said he didn’t have the smarts to handle the position. It’s just the mindset in the country that blacks are not as capable of learning and are underdeveloped humans because they have perpetrated that lie throughout the history of this country as a result people accept it as fact.
Given the same starting point same environment the black individual will underperform at whatever task requires mental process. It has nothing to do with the individual himself it’s in his skin color which is genetic.
That is just how freakin stupid you people are you actually ascribe to that theory regardless of who that individual is. His skin color will dictate his mental capacity……….and nothing is more moronic than that.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Yea Doc Rob that hair cut is atrocious. Lol and that Michael Jackson nose job doesn’t help his cause much. Haha
December 1st, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I agree Chappy. Reg blows.
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interesting. didn’t see that coming.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Post 485 amen priest… preach!
December 1st, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Most everyone thinks the kid has a learning problem just based on his skin color. You’ve all been programmed to feel that way. I’ve seen it come out the mouths of some of the most respected poster in here and the majority of the rest of you.
Pryor is a very bright driven young man, as was Kaepernick prior to his starting but you know what the average person I talked to said he didn’t have the smarts to handle the position. It’s just the mindset in the country that blacks are not as capable of learning and are underdeveloped humans because they have perpetrated that lie throughout the history of this country as a result people accept it as fact.
Given the same starting point same environment the black individual will underperform at whatever task requires mental process. It has nothing to do with the individual himself it’s in his skin color which is genetic.
That is just how freakin stupid you people are you actually ascribe to that theory regardless of who that individual is. His skin color will dictate his mental capacity……….and nothing is more moronic than that.
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i will agree with u that a lot of people still have that ridiculous knee-jerk reaction or have secret feelings that blacks are dumber than whites. i know first hand that this is not true.
but u ignore the people on here who say otherwise, like myself. it’s one thing i like about pryor. he seems bright and very driven. work ethic very high.
but u will likely continue to refer to me as a racist, i imagine.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:59 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Yea Doc Rob that hair cut is atrocious. Lol and that Michael Jackson nose job doesn’t help his cause much. Haha
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LOL! yeah, his nose is interesting too. i have always said he looks like a guy standing outside a tavern smoking a cig. and when he laughs, u know ur gonna hear that gurgling smoker-drinker lungs thing.
December 1st, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Raider(since1967)
★★★★★★★
REGGIE SAYS : TOMORROW HEADS WILL ROLL
He went to the Dollar Store to buy trash bags!
Sunday’s there Close!
December 1st, 2012 at 6:00 pm
485.Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Most everyone thinks the kid has a learning problem just based on his skin color. You’ve all been programmed to feel that way. I’ve seen it come out the mouths of some of the most respected poster in here and the majority of the rest of you.
Pryor is a very bright driven young man, as was Kaepernick prior to his starting but you know what the average person I talked to said he didn’t have the smarts to handle the position. It’s just the mindset in the country that blacks are not as capable of learning and are underdeveloped humans because they have perpetrated that lie throughout the history of this country as a result people accept it as fact.
Given the same starting point same environment the black individual will underperform at whatever task requires mental process. It has nothing to do with the individual himself it’s in his skin color which is genetic.
That is just how freakin stupid you people are you actually ascribe to that theory regardless of who that individual is. His skin color will dictate his mental capacity……….and nothing is more moronic than that.
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While your observation no doubt covers a considerable amount of ground in here, I would be careful not to paint everyone with that same brush.
Not everyone feels that way about players of color, and it borders on the pot calling the kettle black to suggest that everyone does.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Omoran Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Raider(since1967)
★★★★★★★
REGGIE SAYS : TOMORROW HEADS WILL ROLL
He went to the Dollar Store to buy trash bags!
Sunday’s there Close!
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omoran always nails it.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:00 pm
While your observation no doubt covers a considerable amount of ground in here, I would be careful not to paint everyone with that same brush.
Not everyone feels that way about players of color, and it borders on the pot calling the kettle black to suggest that everyone does.
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BAM!!! direct hit!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
u sank his battleship
December 1st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
I haven’t heard anyone call Pryor dumb. Just that he can’t throw the ball very well.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Why else would a story come out about Kaepernicks tattoos??………..lol
His tattoos we’re talking about a well rounded straight A student and teh writer brings out his tattoos. This writer happens to have adopted 2 black children he says so he can’t possibly be racist right?
This is the premise most whites use to rationalize their views and feel they have a license to expouse this crap. I have black friends so I can get awya with all the racist bullcrap I wish because I have black friends.
Well look at this way I have friends and acquaintances but none of them are my family and that is the difference. Until people understand that people regardless of color culture creed or any other difference that they are no different in terms humanity until they as an individual demonstrate that they are. Anyone of any persuasion can be dumb or smart until you know that individual to prejudge them based on some personal belief system is racist in nature……period It doesn’t matter who is doing it, it is racist……..period
December 1st, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Tell you what, I for one (as in me, for the mentally challenged) hope Pryor has a great game or series or whatever capacity he plays.
Then I hope he plays in the final 4 games and kicks ass.
Sure would be nice to see. It would be somewhat comforting if we knew that the Raiders had a QB for the next 10 years or so.
I’m not gonna hold my breath or bet the farm, just hope he has a good game.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:06 pm
I can’t believe BSJ is still missing from the blog. Did he really take the long snapper debacle that badly?
December 1st, 2012 at 6:09 pm
ET I’m not including everyone but I will say this they know who they are and if the shoe fits where it……..just saying.
It seems whenever a black QB is evaluated he is evaluated very differently than a white QB it is what it is. I’ve listened and heard this stuff come out of ten mouths of friend and foe and black and white. They have been programmed to believe this crap and it never stops.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:06 pm
I can’t believe BSJ is still missing from the blog. Did he really take the long snapper debacle that badly?
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Was he the one always saying ” Cut Condo”?
December 1st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
This is the premise most whites use to rationalize their views and feel they have a license to expouse this crap. I have black friends so I can get awya with all the racist bullcrap I wish because I have black friends.
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Sorry, Priest, but that is a racist statement.
You don’t know “most whites”. If I said something about “most blacks” are a certain way, you’d go ballistic. And you’d have every right to.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Every Raider fan should want Pryor to be a franchise QB. I hope he becomes a super star. But, there is really no evidence indicating that will happen.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Morilla Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:06 pm
I can’t believe BSJ is still missing from the blog. Did he really take the long snapper debacle that badly?
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Was he the one always saying ” Cut Condo”?
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Yeah, then he disappeared after that game. I guess he was too embarrassed to come back.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:02 pm
I haven’t heard anyone call Pryor dumb. Just that he can’t throw the ball very well.
….
And there is no cure for this. Its like having a bad golf swing.
It is what it is. It can get better, but never elite.
Never ever ever.
Name one player with a bad delivery that became an elite QB… there is none.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:12 pm
I haven’t heard anyone call Pryor dumb. Just that he can’t throw the ball very well.
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Well I have and a few too many times…..I just copied and pasted someone who said 1/2 hr ago. It’s not said that he is DUMB theyre more crafty than that. They say he doesn’t have the smarts or something of that nature. But I know what they’re saying I hear it all the time.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I have a theory that BSJ was actually Shane Lechler.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:14 pm
I don’t think anyone on this board has used the word “dumb” when referring to Pryor.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:16 pm
edward teach Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
This is the premise most whites use to rationalize their views and feel they have a license to expouse this crap. I have black friends so I can get awya with all the racist bullcrap I wish because I have black friends.
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Sorry, Priest, but that is a racist statement.
You don’t know “most whites”. If I said something about “most blacks” are a certain way, you’d go ballistic. And you’d have every right to.
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You are right sir, now you know what I mean. When everything you do in life is met with this bullcrap anyone would be sensative to it. It gets sickening. But in my experience that is the case. Some are indeed different but they are few and far between.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I have a theory that BSJ was actually Shane Lechler.
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Hahaha.
Has there ever been anyone from the org or players actively on here? I could see Herrera visiting this place.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Every Raider fan should want Pryor to be a franchise QB. I hope he becomes a super star. But, there is really no evidence indicating that will happen.
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Yep, and totally understand your comment.
Gotta root for the guy. Sure would be nice if the Raiders didn’t have to start looking for CP’s replacement. Could use those draft picks elsewhere.
Unfortunately I have watched his “highlights” on YouTube. WOW, talk about wobblers. Just got to keep your fingers crossed I guess.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:19 pm
509.Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:16 pm
edward teach Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:11 pm
This is the premise most whites use to rationalize their views and feel they have a license to expouse this crap. I have black friends so I can get awya with all the racist bullcrap I wish because I have black friends.
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Sorry, Priest, but that is a racist statement.
You don’t know “most whites”. If I said something about “most blacks” are a certain way, you’d go ballistic. And you’d have every right to.
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You are right sir, now you know what I mean. When everything you do in life is met with this bullcrap anyone would be sensative to it. It gets sickening. But in my experience that is the case. Some are indeed different but they are few and far between.
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I’ve not walked in your shoes, this is true.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Priest–am I racist? Or just smart, fair, and funny?
December 1st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Indicator is the temperature of this country now that a black president gets a second term. As if he invented the concept all of a sudden we hear the word secession. Do you know when the last time that word was even mentioned. After the president freed the slaves that is how long ago and what the circumstances were that led to it.
They just don’t want to see us as their equals in any real way. We aren’t really human sort of a sub-human species. It has been burned into the minds of the American people for centuries and it will take centuries to get it out………..period
December 1st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Morilla Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I have a theory that BSJ was actually Shane Lechler.
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Hahaha.
Has there ever been anyone from the org or players actively on here? I could see Herrera visiting this place.
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I think Oakofshow might be Herrera.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:23 pm
514.Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Indicator is the temperature of this country now that a black president gets a second term. As if he invented the concept all of a sudden we hear the word secession. Do you know when the last time that word was even mentioned. After the president freed the slaves that is how long ago and what the circumstances were that led to it.
They just don’t want to see us as their equals in any real way. We aren’t really human sort of a sub-human species. It has been burned into the minds of the American people for centuries and it will take centuries to get it out………..period
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It’s embarrassing. Thankfully it’s just a fringe element (albeit not a tiny one) and not the mainstream view.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Look in the mirror and ask yourself, you’ll get the true answer….
December 1st, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Do you guys believe in 2nd chances?
Not talking about RoMac. I’m talking about our OC and DC for next year:
OC Bobby Petrino
DC Gregg Williams
Go get’em Reggie
December 1st, 2012 at 6:32 pm
ET it significant enough that you and I can’t make the kind of progress we would otherwise find easy.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Watching some Alabama-Georgia highlights, and it seems like they handled Jarvis Jones pretty well, especially in the run game.
Did anyone watch the game? Was that indicative of the whole game, or just the highlights?
December 1st, 2012 at 6:35 pm
R.I.P Rick Majerus
December 1st, 2012 at 6:36 pm
519.Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:32 pm
ET it significant enough that you and I can’t make the kind of progress we would otherwise find easy.
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Yeah. I was pretty alarmed at the way the white vote went in the election. That can’t have all been about policy.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:-anyone of any persuasion can be dumb……
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All you have to do regularly read this blog and it is very apparent that is a true statement.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Teach,
Jones got handled pretty much the whole game. Jenkins and Ogletree had way more impact than J Jones.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:34 am
Last 25 years, Raiders are 183 – 227 with zero championships won.
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Lets see, tragedy for the Chiefs, wack-ass whiny crybaby BLAME the Raiders comment.
About 12 million more of these will have about ZERO effect.
Jesus, please turn it around – THESE PEOPLE ARE FREAKING PATHETIC
its actually WORSE then the losing itself.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I hope the Raiders draft Star Lotuleilei.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Teach,
Jones got handled pretty much the whole game. Jenkins and Ogletree had way more impact than J Jones.
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And even with that being said,neither impressed that much.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
524.504 Raider Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Teach,
Jones got handled pretty much the whole game. Jenkins and Ogletree had way more impact than J Jones.
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Thanks, 504. I was wondering about his going up against those maulers that Alabama has on their o-line. To his credit, the highlights I saw showed them doubling him a fair amount with a TE.
He looked small out there to me, though.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Lets see, tragedy for the Chiefs, wack-ass whiny crybaby BLAME the Raiders comment.
About 12 million more of these will have about ZERO effect.
Jesus, please turn it around – THESE PEOPLE ARE FREAKING PATHETIC
its actually WORSE then the losing itself.
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WTF does that even mean? You think you can string a coherent sentence together so I can understand?
December 1st, 2012 at 6:42 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Priesttj12 Says:-anyone of any persuasion can be dumb……
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All you have to do regularly read this blog and it is very apparent that is a true statement.
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Lefty12 I couldn’t have said it better. Buy enough of that on to Raider football folks.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:43 pm
You guys go ahead. I gotta get up in the morning.
Peace.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Love this Dr Pepper scholarship give away…..great idea! helping these students.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:47 pm
edward teach Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:36 pm
519.Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:32 pm
ET it significant enough that you and I can’t make the kind of progress we would otherwise find easy.
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Yeah. I was pretty alarmed at the way the white vote went in the election. That can’t have all been about policy.
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93% of the black vote for the prez. That can’t all have been about policy.
FACT is w/o the “racist whitey” vote the prez doesn’t get elected.
34 mill, whites voted for prez
27 mill, blacks did
December 1st, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Peace everyone please love those in your charge, care for the weak.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Lets see, tragedy for the Chiefs, wack-ass whiny crybaby BLAME the Raiders comment.
About 12 million more of these will have about ZERO effect.
Jesus, please turn it around – THESE PEOPLE ARE FREAKING PATHETIC
its actually WORSE then the losing itself.
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WTF does that even mean? You think you can string a coherent sentence together so I can understand?
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Any FREAKING ANSWERS you can give other than COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW MUCH THE TEAM SUCKS or the GM.
Its a tragedy for the Chiefs, and the comment is someone is the worst gm in 25 years.
Could we let it go for like ONE DAY?
December 1st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ust Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Best player I saw today that we should look at, is the Womack guard for ‘Bama.
They always say you don’t draft guards that high, yet whenever one is (Iupati, Hutchinson) they are world-class.
Not to mention a stud guard to replace Briesel might represent the biggest possible upgrade to the team.
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Smartest post of the day. A diamond in a sea of turds.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:50 pm
4 out of 10 whites voted for the prez.
those other 6 of 10 couldn’t have possibly been because they either wanted a different direction or…egads,,,were of a different political party preference.
no, no, no…if u didn’t vote for the prez you are a racist plain and simple.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
524.504 Raider Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Teach,
Jones got handled pretty much the whole game. Jenkins and Ogletree had way more impact than J Jones.
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Thanks, 504. I was wondering about his going up against those maulers that Alabama has on their o-line. To his credit, the highlights I saw showed them doubling him a fair amount with a TE.
He looked small out there to me, though.
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Teach, i was a bit disppointed at Kwame Geathers. I thought he’d be a decent draft pick, and Bama’s tackle, who moved to center was doing a pretty good job. Jesse Williams of Bama nutted up with some great play despite an injured knee.
They ran RIGHT AT Jarvis Jones.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:51 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:49 pm
ust Fire Baby Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Best player I saw today that we should look at, is the Womack guard for ‘Bama.
They always say you don’t draft guards that high, yet whenever one is (Iupati, Hutchinson) they are world-class.
Not to mention a stud guard to replace Briesel might represent the biggest possible upgrade to the team.
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Smartest post of the day. A diamond in a sea of turds.
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so its Chance Warmack as the first pick, then best pass rusher and corner available later in the draft?
December 1st, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I hope the Raiders draft Star Lotuleilei.
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OK, now I apologize.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:53 pm
shocking that 100% of the voters didn’t vote for the prez.
racist.
December 1st, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Sam,why appoint Warmack the 1st choice?
December 1st, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Raider8 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:53 pm
shocking that 100% of the voters didn’t vote for the prez.
racist.
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Ive said it before and I’ll say it a million more times….
The idiots that voted for Obamma because of his skin color are equally as stupid and racist as those who voted against him because of his skin color.
And as for the whole “skin color makes you dumber” schtick, yeah, its old news but you would think that if it mattered so much to Priest how his race was viewed, he’d stop acting like such a dumba55.
He and Mistic do hheir race no favors with their routine here. Sadly, they’ll never figure it out.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Becuase OG’s are much easier to find late and get a great one. Where teams fight over the chance to draft a OT which are harder to find it just makes sense knowing you can get very good OG as late as the 5th rnd while every OT would be long gone.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I really hope Pryor gets his chances.. seizes the chance.. Takes the reigns of the team the next 5 games.
and forces Reggie / mark to trade Palmer.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:10 pm
I’m not sure how highly I would rate Xavier Rhodes but I really like the kid. Perfect zone corner I’m not sure about his man coverage how good he is in bump and run but I like what I see so far.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:11 pm
No way raiders are getting XRHODES. Reggie is taking OL / DL first.. Rhodes will be gone by 20th
December 1st, 2012 at 7:11 pm
“Last year at this time we were 7-4 and (ahead) in the division,” Davis said, his exasperation evident. “Then we lost four out of our last five. And that’s why I didn’t fight for (former head coach) Hue Jackson to keep his job.
“Well, we have five games to go. Who on this team wants me to fight for them to keep their job? Who among the players and coaches really wants to be here? Who wants me to fight to keep them here?”
- Mark Davis, this past sunday after Cincy loss.
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I just read Monte’s article on Mark Davis, here’s the link: http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_22106298/poole-oakland-raiders-owner-mark-davis-airs-frustrations
I’m sure a lot of you have read this already, but if you haven’t, I recommend you do. Mark really impressed me by doing and saying what he did. That quote above is just part of it, read the article for more.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:12 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I really hope Pryor gets his chances.. seizes the chance.. Takes the reigns of the team the next 5 games.
and forces Reggie / mark to trade Palmer.
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Please don’t take any offense, but this post seems like classic Raider fan. “I would rather have someone who has never done anything in the league than a guy who has kept us in games and played well, despite having no running game, no offensive line and no receivers. We should get rid of the ONE GUY who has played well, and throw in someone who has never done anything”. That is amazing to me.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:14 pm
I’m not sure who will be available tho and how the stack up grade wise. Rhodes is a very attractive pick tho..
December 1st, 2012 at 7:14 pm
I dont take no offense. It could be classic fan. Im just a fan of the kid and want him to succeed. Palmer is not the future.
he is past his prime. Are you gonna build a young team around palmer? then in two years start the rebuilding proccess when they find a qb they Like? or can it be PRYOR?
Im tired of a qb that cant even scramble for a first down every once in a while. Im tired of the classic raider fan buying into Palmer and his “Stats”
December 1st, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Most everyone thinks the kid has a learning problem just based on his skin color. You’ve all been programmed to feel that way. I’ve seen it come out the mouths of some of the most respected poster in here and the majority of the rest of you.
Pryor is a very bright driven young man, as was Kaepernick prior to his starting but you know what the average person I talked to said he didn’t have the smarts to handle the position. It’s just the mindset in the country that blacks are not as capable of learning and are underdeveloped humans because they have perpetrated that lie throughout the history of this country as a result people accept it as fact.
Given the same starting point same environment the black individual will underperform at whatever task requires mental process. It has nothing to do with the individual himself it’s in his skin color which is genetic.
That is just how freakin stupid you people are you actually ascribe to that theory regardless of who that individual is. His skin color will dictate his mental capacity……….and nothing is more moronic than that. ======================================================= AVG IQ = 70 = A RACE OF BORDERLINE RETARDS….don’t let that FACT get in the way of your delusionary post….keep dreaming.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Kapernick has never done anything in the league either till he got a chance.. and a COACH that believed in him.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:16 pm
513.dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Priest–am I racist? Or just smart, fair, and funny?
SUP big money? Eat any corn in Sunnyvale Indiana today?
December 1st, 2012 at 7:17 pm
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December 1st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I really hope Pryor gets his chances.. seizes the chance.. Takes the reigns of the team the next 5 games.
and forces Reggie / mark to trade Palmer.================================================== JOKE OF THE DAY
December 1st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
racist troll troll racist racist troll troll racist
December 1st, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Not to me Seymour and here’s why the poster said he siezed the opportunity and made good in fact I think he’s saying he succeeds so well it FORCES Reggie to trade Palmer. For that to happen Pryor would have to be wildly successful so tell me how is that a bad thing teamwise. You’d get a greta pick for Palmer and have a successful young QB to lead this team into the future. Tell where the Raiders lose in that equation?
December 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
If a black qb isnt running,he isnt worth a damn.Get over the Pryor sht.He will never start.Palmer to the probowl.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
No the bigger joke??
Palmer is a good quarterback and will take a team over the hump.
The guy just throws for alot of meaningless stats in between the 20’s and alot of INTS.. and he doesnt scramble for 1st downs. He sucked with Cincy the last few years and has a losing record with Raiders.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:20 pm
priest dont bother responding to the trolls.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Kapernick has never done anything in the league either till he got a chance.. and a COACH that believed in him.
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And Niners are in great shape as a result, they could trade Smith for a very high pick if the Eagles got what they got for their QB’s surely the Niners will get some interesting calls for Smith.
Great move by Harbaugh..
December 1st, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Terrel Pryor is the second coming of Randall Cunningham … book it! Lol
December 1st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
priest dont bother responding to the trolls.
Troll troll troll troll troll.stupidest sht.copy cat bunch a little punks.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Carson palmer is the 2nd coming of Elway book it lol.. oh wait he is Jeff George all over again
or Kerry Collins u pick
December 1st, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Edward Teach Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:23 pm
514.Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Indicator is the temperature of this country now that a black president gets a second term. As if he invented the concept all of a sudden we hear the word secession. Do you know when the last time that word was even mentioned. After the president freed the slaves that is how long ago and what the circumstances were that led to it.================================================================ Tell me again HOW a WHITE woman has a black baby?…..he is a MONGREL…..AND the SOUTH secessed LONG BEFORE any “free the slaves” talk was introduced into the picture……LEARN HISTORY MORON
December 1st, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Its almost as if some posters on here dont want to see the kid get a chance because they’re scared he’ll succeed.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
563.The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Terrel Pryor is the second coming of Randall Cunningham … book it! Lol
So he should never play then.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:14 pm
I dont take no offense. It could be classic fan. Im just a fan of the kid and want him to succeed. Palmer is not the future.
he is past his prime. Are you gonna build a young team around palmer? then in two years start the rebuilding proccess when they find a qb they Like? or can it be PRYOR?
Im tired of a qb that cant even scramble for a first down every once in a while. Im tired of the classic raider fan buying into Palmer and his “Stats”
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My point is good solid marquee Q’s are INCREDIBLY difficult to come by. KC hasn’t had one in decades. We haven’t had one since Gannon and THAT was shear luck. I think fans kind of feel it’s like Indy, you go from Peyton Manning to Andrew Luck. Or San Diego going from Drew Brees to Rivers. No problem. That we now FINALLY have a Q that can play the position, to have fans go, eh, give him up, to me is crazy. We could EASILY get 6, 7, or 8 years out of this player. And as for the scrambling part tell that to Peyton, Brady, Brees and Matt Ryan.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
or they dont want a black qb str8 up
December 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Carson Palmer is the 2nd coming of kerry Collins … confirmed! Lol
December 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
The thing with Pryor is that we don’t know what we have with him. We know Palmer is only a bandage at the position and once it is ripped off, we will be left with a bloody mess to take care of.
If we were contending for a playoff spot this season, then yes, it would be crazy to even think of the matter, but we are not. So why not take a look at Pryor now, when other teams are playing hard, and we can get a good look at his skills against tough opposition, and besides, our season is already down the drain.
I think it is the best time. Sure is a lot better than doing it at the beginning of the year and throwing a whole other season away if he doesn’t work out. It will also let Palmer rest his arm just in case Pryor doesn’t work out, and we need to call on him to start next season. At this point this year, I think it makes a lot of sense.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
567.The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Its almost as if some posters on here dont want to see the kid get a chance because they’re scared he’ll succeed.
Afraid he will run around for a while then blow the game with a pick.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Guess what Palmer is none of those qbs. He is not Peyoton nor Brady. He doesnt have that quick release. Holds on to the ball way to long.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
and dont get it mistaken. If RG3, Luck, Or Johnny Manziel was in this draft.
Palmer would be gone in a second
December 1st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Kapernick has never done anything in the league either till he got a chance.. and a COACH that believed in him.
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Kaepernick has played two games. Something tells me the league will catch up with him.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Terrel Pryor is the second coming of Randall Cunningham ====================== TRUE! …BIG…DUMB…LOSERS
December 1st, 2012 at 7:28 pm
570.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
or they dont want a black qb str8 up
Now ya got it.Chicken grease fingers fumble to much.straight up.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Guess what Palmer is none of those qbs. He is not Peyoton nor Brady. He doesnt have that quick release. Holds on to the ball way to long.
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No he doesn’t. Sorry. He is a two time Pro Bowl, led the league in TD’s, led the league in completion percentage. Jamarcus Russell held the ball too long.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Palmer = Jeff George.. or Kerry Collins u pick.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:30 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:26 pm
or they dont want a black qb str8 up ======== CORRECT….BECAUSE WE WANT TO WIN!!!!!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Guess what Palmer is none of those qbs. He is not Peyoton nor Brady. He doesnt have that quick release. Holds on to the ball way to long.
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No he doesn’t. Sorry. He is a two time Pro Bowl, led the league in TD’s, led the league in completion percentage. Jamarcus Russell held the ball too long. ========================== AND THE BUCKET OF KFC
December 1st, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Dont want a black gm either.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
2 x probowl along time ago.
Guess what Seymour was a Pro Bowl player too.. he is not anymore. You are talking about Palmer years ago with that .
IM not the only asking that question. Mark and Reggie are asking that question if palmer is the future.
Whats up with his mysterious “finger” injury this week. Plenty of football analyst say Palmer wont even be here next year. I say he will. Just not the year after.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Post 573 possibly, or he could just stand there and blow the game with a pick like Palmer … i’d rather a guy run around and try to make something happen instead of stand there and take a beating or crap his pants and throw a pick.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Palmer will be here until he is ready to retire.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Priest–don’t cop out. I asked u a direct question. Do u think I’m racist? U answer by avoiding the answer. C’mon. Don’t be a coward. Admit I’ve never said anything g racist. In fact, the opposite. Can u admit ur blog foe isn’t racist? He just thinks ur dumb?
December 1st, 2012 at 7:34 pm
which is next year or until he is traded
December 1st, 2012 at 7:35 pm
1 black qb superbowl winner.Sorry I’de rather play the odds on this one.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:35 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Post 573 possibly, or he could just stand there and blow the game with a pick like Palmer … i’d rather a guy run around [ THEY HAVE MUCH PRACTICE AT THIS FROM RUNNING WITH TV'S WHEN THEY LOOT STORES ] and try to make something happen instead of stand there and take a beating or crap his pants and throw a pick.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:37 pm
587.dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Priest–don’t cop out. I asked u a direct question. Do u think I’m racist? U answer by avoiding the answer. C’mon. Don’t be a coward. Admit I’ve never said anything g racist. In fact, the opposite. Can u admit ur blog foe isn’t racist? He just thinks ur dumb?
I dont think your a racist.Or a millionair.Or a tough guy like you were saying last night.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:35 pm
1 black qb superbowl winner.Sorry I’de rather play the odds on this one. ====================================== EVEN A BROKEN CLOCK IS RIGHT 2 TIMES !!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 7:38 pm
588.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:34 pm
which is next year or until he is traded
======================================== This guy’s office is right next to Mark’s I guess.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:38 pm
It’s completely stupid to even say “blacks” or “whites” and make any sort of blanket statement. I happen to be white. But don’t lump me into a group I have nothing but basic skin color with. It’s absurd. I have nothing to do with fangs or jokefoshow. We are not even close to being in the same “group” in any way.
Priest–should u be lumped in with killers, thieves, gangsters that happen to be black? What do they have to do with u? Nothing I presume.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:40 pm
WOW WHAT’s the point of Banning idiots when they can just pop right back up with new ID’s
December 1st, 2012 at 7:41 pm
You know what Dr_robert, nobody is going to stop this guy until they ban his IP, or everyone just ignore the idiot , forget about it dude
December 1st, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Jokefoshow–I never said I was a millionaire. Ur just too stupid to realize it.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:41 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:38 pm
It’s completely stupid to even say “blacks” or “whites” and make any sort of blanket statement. I happen to be white. But don’t lump me into a group I have nothing but basic skin color with. It’s absurd. I have nothing to do with fangs or jokefoshow. We are not even close to being in the same “group” in any way.
Your right,we dont live in sunnyvale indianna
December 1st, 2012 at 7:42 pm
596.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:41 pm
You know what Dr_robert, nobody is going to stop this guy until they ban his IP, or everyone just ignore the idiot , forget about it dude
Smart stuff from a guy who predicted playoffs this year. drrrrrr
December 1st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
just ignore this guy, what does this guy even bring to the table that you guys feel obliged to reply to him, this is a sports section, his sh1t won’t matter in here , if everybody just ignored him
December 1st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
What’s hilarious to me, besides practically everything he says, is that jokefoshow claims Compton and its reputation (based on rap music), and his original handle included “foshow”, which is another hip hop reference, and yet he hates black people. Just shows u what a confused little guy he is.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Mcfadden20,you want to suck my what?
December 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:42 pm
596.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:41 pm
You know what Dr_robert, nobody is going to stop this guy until they ban his IP, or everyone just ignore the idiot , forget about it dude
Smart stuff from a guy who predicted playoffs this year. drrrrrr
- yeah yeah, and you support the team that set the record for most seasons in a row of 11 losses or more? that’s really smart too
December 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Sunnyvale Indiana? Ur brain don’t work too good do it?
December 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Mcfadden20,you want to suck my what?
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STFU , I’m talking about that racist guy, don’t butt into my freaking talk, you ain’t nothing , what have you freaking brought into this blog besides freaking picking online fight with every guy that doesn’t hate Reggie?
December 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm
601.dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:43 pm
What’s hilarious to me, besides practically everything he says, is that jokefoshow claims Compton and its reputation (based on rap music), and his original handle included “foshow”, which is another hip hop reference, and yet he hates black people. Just shows u what a confused little guy he is.
Especially sinse I was pist about the fireing of Hue.Pay attention big money.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Palmer is not the future, but you need a present to get you to the future, or else your team will be loaded with a bunch of sad sack losers, used to going 4-12 every season.
You know, like OUR TEAM!!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Mc20–yeah it’s a slow day. No missdick to toy with. So we are left with making fun of jokefoshow. But he’s not that fun cuz he’s so stupid. Like a broken toy.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Rob, just give it a rest bro, nothing we say is going to change these idiots
December 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
38 starts in 41 games played has been plenty for Rolando McClain. #55 sucks
Omar Gaither started 31 games his first 3 years in the league and McClain actually has more passes defensed, sacks & tackles than Gaither did at this point in his career as a 3rd year pro.
Oddly enough, Omar had more INT’s & forced fumbles (in fewer starts and he was a 5th rounder – not Top 10 overall!)
December 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
HERE IS REGGIE LAYING DOWN THE LAW! = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtU
December 1st, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Typical priest. I corner him with a direct question and he disappears.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
If they play Pryor tomorrow, and I hope they do, it better not be in one of these rinky-dink, circus act offenses.
Although, this is where Knapp’s low ceiling would probably benefit us, being that anything outside of his standard offense is over his head.
Give Pryor a drive in the 2nd quarter, with the whole field to work with, and run THE OFFENSE.
No read option, wildcat, nonsense. That does nothing for his long-term growth.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:49 pm
605.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Mcfadden20,you want to suck my what?
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STFU , I’m talking about that racist guy, don’t butt into my freaking talk, you ain’t nothing , what have you freaking brought into this blog besides freaking picking online fight with every guy that doesn’t hate Reggie?
You predicting playoffs makes you the single most target here.Keep your mouth shut this offseason when im talkin football K?
December 1st, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Pryor ain’t playing. Sorry. They basically said he needed to get used to dressing first. Kinda stupid but they said it.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm
608.dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Mc20–yeah it’s a slow day. No missdick to toy with. So we are left with making fun of jokefoshow. But he’s not that fun cuz he’s so stupid. Like a broken toy.
6ft 2 220lbs of complete idiot.From ummm Sunnyvale.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Strange that our new starting MLB has only started 9 games over the past 4 years!!
I like him though because his initials are “OG”
He’s only 28 years old and hails from Reggie’s alma mater University of Tennessee
December 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
They basically said he needed to get used to dressing first.
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LOL….I saw that.
I would make a good natured, honest joke, but the up-tight racial group is out tonight so I will leave it be.
Just play the man a series or two. What’s the worst can happen? Go 3 and out?
Like that never happens normally.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Careful mc20. Jokefoshow is a blog killer. He will blog shoot u. Lol. Maybe the biggest dummy here.
The Blog Stooges:
Sullivan/alex7/mr
Fangs/aryanation/tesla
Beech
Missdick
Jokefoshow/reggiehater
Priest is attempting to join the list.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
1- CB Xavier Rhodes or DE D Moore if he was available
3- DE Brabdon Jenkins
4- RB Michael Dyer
December 1st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Hey Rod Streater and his 19 catches in college will save the day.Just ask the playoff predicters.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:51 pm
608.dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Mc20–yeah it’s a slow day. No missdick to toy with. So we are left with making fun of jokefoshow. But he’s not that fun cuz he’s so stupid. Like a broken toy.
6ft 2 220lbs of complete idiot.From ummm Sunnyvale.
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WTF YOU TALKING ABOUT, he’s right about that
December 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Reggie hater is Al the troll and you can bet he’s probably beech b1tch
December 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Who let the trolls out?
December 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
So, if Gaither comes in tomorrow, and he gets 12 tackles and 3 of which are sacks, and 1 pick six, will be calling on him to be our starting MLB for the future??? What would happen to McClain? Controversy in Oaktown! lol…
after all, the MLB is the QB of the defense right?…
December 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
619.dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Careful mc20. Jokefoshow is a blog killer. He will blog shoot u. Lol. Maybe the biggest dummy here.
The Blog Stooges:
Sullivan/alex7/mr
Fangs/aryanation/tesla
Beech
Missdick
Jokefoshow/reggiehater
Priest is attempting to join the list.
Yup,there they go.As soon as they look stupid in front of everybody for predicting playoffs or Rod streater being a #1 receiver,they resort to a list of guys and grammer jokes.
December 1st, 2012 at 7:57 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-0vbvy2ip4 === BET HE THROWS A NICER PASS THAN PRYOR
December 1st, 2012 at 7:59 pm
624.Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Who let the trolls out?
and here comes the owner of the mini mart we paid for with our tax dollars. Camels and ttttttred dots time.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:00 pm
623.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Reggie hater is Al the troll and you can bet he’s probably beech b1tch
Playoffs? That makes you the single most biggest fkn idiot of the year.SHUT UP.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm
lol oak is trying hard but it’s not working, try again Oak
December 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm
630.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm
lol oak is trying hard but it’s not working, try again Oak
Dont have to try,you predicted playoffs all by yourself.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:00 pm
623.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Reggie hater is Al the troll and you can bet he’s probably beech b1tch
Playoffs? That makes you the single most biggest fkn idiot of the year.SHUT UP.
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Yeah cuz your opinion def makes me that hahahaha
December 1st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Jokefoshow–ur the one everybody makes fun of pal. Look around. Ur friendless here. We are all laughing at u.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
LOL C’mon troll, it’s not working, let’s try again
December 1st, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Uh please Oak don’t call me idiot im so hurt , your opinion is really harsh , i’m really hurt now LMAO, uh look at the blog is all on your side now and against me lol
December 1st, 2012 at 8:04 pm
633.dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Jokefoshow–ur the one everybody makes fun of pal. Look around. Ur friendless here. We are all laughing at u.
You mean the ones who made a$$es out of themselves for predicting playoffs right? AAAAAA HHHHAAA I care.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:05 pm
what’s new Rob? how did u end up arguing with this idiot?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
637.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:05 pm
what’s new Rob? how did u end up arguing with this idiot?
Cause hes like you 20,dumber then a sack of fkn hammers,but he is 6ft2 and 220. What a monster!!
December 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Our Tax dollars?
LMAO Dumpster Baby. Allowance from your mom doesn’t count as income, so you don’t have to pay taxes on it.
Mini marts are for people who are willing to deal with monkeys like you.
Still can’t tell the difference between Arabs and Indians? I’m not surprised. You are retarded.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Uh I’m such an ass for predicting playoffs, uh Oakfoshow is so smart, he must have predicted exact same score in all the games in all the wins and losses, so smart, hey since I’m not so good at predictions ,and you obviously are can you tell me what’s going to be the exact score for every game tomorrow so i can bet on them and win big
December 1st, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Not sure what the racially driven thing is about the Kapy tattoo thing.
People look at that kid (especially those on the East Coast who know nothing about him; never saw him play at UNR and don’t know his background) with the name “Colin Kapearnick”, and his squeeky voice, and assume he is white.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:09 pm
639.Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Our Tax dollars?
LMAO Dumpster Baby. Allowance from your mom doesn’t count as income, so you don’t have to pay taxes on it.
Mini marts are for people who are willing to deal with monkeys like you.
Still can’t tell the difference between Arabs and Indians? I’m not surprised. You are retarded.
If it looks like piss and smells like piss,guess what?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
637.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:05 pm
what’s new Rob? how did u end up arguing with this idiot?
Cause hes like you 20,dumber then a sack of fkn hammers,but he is 6ft2 and 220. What a monster!!
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oh i’m so hurt, dumber than a rock, please don’t say that LMAO
December 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Oak since your so good at predictions , please tell us what you think of this team, and how many wins should we expect from the team and what year will we win the superbowl in?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Incredibly I think jokefoshow is actually dumber than fangs.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:13 pm
No, he’s really smart cuz he was right and team s9cked, wow what a tough freaking prediction i admire his prediction, nobody could have done that , lol, uh i should have predicted a losing season as a Raider fan lol
December 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
640.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Uh I’m such an ass for predicting playoffs, uh Oakfoshow is so smart, he must have predicted exact same score in all the games in all the wins and losses, so smart, hey since I’m not so good at predictions ,and you obviously are can you tell me what’s going to be the exact score for every game tomorrow so i can bet on them and win big
Look a$$hole.You started this whole thing when I said might be dilluting yourself predicting playoffs.Then here came the name calling from you.I told you after that i would be here all season to remind you of it.Dont act stupid,how soon you forget.Brought on yourself.Like I said this offseason dont fk with me for dissagreeing with you.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
If it looks like piss and smells like piss,guess what?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It’s Gangsta Pudding!
December 1st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:14 pm
640.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Uh I’m such an ass for predicting playoffs, uh Oakfoshow is so smart, he must have predicted exact same score in all the games in all the wins and losses, so smart, hey since I’m not so good at predictions ,and you obviously are can you tell me what’s going to be the exact score for every game tomorrow so i can bet on them and win big
Look a$$hole.You started this whole thing when I said might be dilluting yourself predicting playoffs.Then here came the name calling from you.I told you after that i would be here all season to remind you of it.Dont act stupid,how soon you forget.Brought on yourself.Like I said this offseason dont fk with me for dissagreeing with you.
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Name calling? HAHHA really dude? nobody calls others more names than you do , what freaking kinda drugs are you on?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Chico,
What are you talking about? What tattoo?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm
644.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Oak since your so good at predictions , please tell us what you think of this team, and how many wins should we expect from the team and what year will we win the superbowl in?
I think this team was on the right track until bottom lip killed it.Superbowl? Let ya know when we get a real coach and Gm.Right now never.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:17 pm
644.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Oak since your so good at predictions , please tell us what you think of this team, and how many wins should we expect from the team and what year will we win the superbowl in?
I think this team was on the right track until bottom lip killed it.Superbowl? Let ya know when we get a real coach and Gm.Right now never.
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Uh thanks for great wisdom ,so what will be the score tomorrow? what will be Palmer’s final stats?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
So since all Raiders fans who predicted their favorite team would end up with winning team are so dumb, tell us what will be our final record Genius, who are we going to draft next year? we want great knowledge from a great guy like you
December 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
What differance does it make cheif? I’de say we will probably get beat buy a touchdown.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Appease fans, that is way off what I’m talking about. Forget fans man we don’t count. I’m talking about PLAYERS and coaches. The last thing I care about is what the fans think………lol
I’m talking about biulding team chemistry…….the record could be the same if I saw some type of chemistry and obvious plan in place. What I see is dogcrap no chemistry to team no coordination.
Hopefully that helps anyone can wait when you see promise no one can wait when they don’t………..period
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Dude, you’re drinking in the middle of the day?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:23 pm
4-12.There’s no telling who this dumba$$ will draft.I can tell you what posistions I would draft.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Is it of any concern to anyone that the owner is breeching chain of command by going directly to the HC and having “spirited” discussion with him?
Would Pat Bowlen go directly to Fox and bypass Elway?
I know each org. is different and i like what Mark did, just curious if this is a weird thing Mark did by going up to DA directly and challenging him like this.
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Hey, douche, the owner can do anything he wants, you know?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
What differance does it make cheif? I’de say we will probably get beat buy a touchdown.
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Oh thanks so much, why are you fan of this losing team? just curious
December 1st, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:23 pm
4-12.There’s no telling who this dumba$$ will draft.I can tell you what posistions I would draft.
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Oh so who would great Oak draft if you were our GM?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Browns 34
Raiders 17
December 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
658.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
What differance does it make cheif? I’de say we will probably get beat buy a touchdown.
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Oh thanks so much, why are you fan of this losing team? just curious
Because I was a fan of this team before you were an itch in your daddies pants son. Grew up down the road from the stadium in L.A. which is where we belong.I eat,breath,sleep and brush my teeth silver and black.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Whoever is going tomorrow…it supposed to be really BAD weather! Stay safe!
December 1st, 2012 at 8:30 pm
TEST YOUR NIQ = http://sxng9.webs.com/buckorsow.swf
December 1st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Seems Reggiehater is a put-on, a parody, caricature.
Anyone buying into it and replying back with gusto (trying to outdo it) is being made fun of.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
DT,DE,CB,ILB,ILB,RT
December 1st, 2012 at 8:32 pm
GO CHIEFS!!! – TWO LESS OBONGO VOTERS!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
658.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:21 pm
What differance does it make cheif? I’de say we will probably get beat buy a touchdown.
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Oh thanks so much, why are you fan of this losing team? just curious
Because I was a fan of this team before you were an itch in your daddies pants son. Grew up down the road from the stadium in L.A. which is where we belong.I eat,breath,sleep and brush my teeth silver and black.
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Yet you hate this team so much? while i been fan of the Raiders since 00 and seen only 3 good years outta 12, I’m still here and optimistic and positive about every-year, why are you so negative and why don’t you just start liking chargers since they are doing better than us?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
GG = GAY GUY?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
DT,DE,CB,ILB,ILB,RT
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3-4 NT, C, LT, 3-4 ILB x2, 3-4 OLB x2, FS, SS, CB x2
or
3-4 NT, C, 3-4 ILB x2, 3-4 OLB x2, FS, SS, CB x2, RT
December 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
hey…after hearing 10 seconds of that RAP garbage i wanna put a bullet in my head too!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
DT,DE,CB,ILB,ILB,RT
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Awesome , you are great for this team , why ain’t you employed by any team? they don’t know what they are missing out on , no Raider fan could have predicted we need better players at those positions
December 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
tesla Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
hey…after hearing 10 seconds of that RAP garbage i wanna put a bullet in my head too!!!
— That’s awesome , you had time to comment while thinking about suicide? why won’t you go with it , lol not like we are here waiting for your great posts, we won’t miss you tough white dude lol
December 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Yet you hate this team so much? while i been fan of the Raiders since 00 and seen only 3 good years outta 12, I’m still here and optimistic and positive about every-year, why are you so negative and why don’t you just start liking chargers since they are doing better than us?
========================================= Thats exactly what I get for trying to have a football conversation with a guy who predicted playoffs.No where.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
So do you guys guess if Omaar Gaither will be a much better upgrade then McClain…or is gonna be the same?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Is it of any concern to anyone that the owner is breeching chain of command by going directly to the HC and having “spirited” discussion with him?
Would Pat Bowlen go directly to Fox and bypass Elway?
I know each org. is different and i like what Mark did, just curious if this is a weird thing Mark did by going up to DA directly and challenging him like this.
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I think it was much needed that he made it clear that he wants results and going past Reggie confirms whatever Reggie might have conveyed when and if he made his concerns. I was disappointed that Mark was soo quiet in light of the way this team was playing. I was ranting and raving about how we looked how embarrassed I was to be a Raider fan. Very pleased he went off. Now I know we have a real owner and not someone who just is looking for how much money he can keep. I don’t know about Reggie and I definitely am not happy with DA but I now know for sure we have an owner who’s going to demand greatness. And wont rest until we achieve. No one is safe unless we win.period
It forces DA to make good decisions and Reggie to look at the longterm answers. How develope talent and how to get the coaches to help him with the players he drafts.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Awesome , you are great for this team , why ain’t you employed by any team? they don’t know what they are missing out on , no Raider fan could have predicted we need better players at those positions
You asked pzzy,now run home to mommy.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:39 pm
It will be the same. If it’s one thing I’ve learned about this team, it’s that things never change…
December 1st, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Yet you hate this team so much? while i been fan of the Raiders since 00 and seen only 3 good years outta 12, I’m still here and optimistic and positive about every-year, why are you so negative and why don’t you just start liking chargers since they are doing better than us?
========================================= Thats exactly what I get for trying to have a football conversation with a guy who predicted playoffs.No where.
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oh okay , yet you make it your priority that you mention my name and tell everyone what i though about this team before the season, lol you going to tell these guys i predicted playoffs, when 95% of them predicted playoffs as well, like who are you even telling that to?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
A 12 year fan means you are fking nobody! Try 1980.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
So do you guys guess if Omaar Gaither will be a much better upgrade then McClain…or is gonna be the same?
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Gaither will play hard, don’t think he’ll be a world-beater, just hold up his end of the bargain but the D will get trampled all over again anyway. The team is on the mail.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
papertiger418 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:39 pm
It will be the same. If it’s one thing I’ve learned about this team, it’s that things never change…
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Since you already figured out the future, time to become Whiners fan?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Giving the PERFECT Christmas gifts………to Negroos
I’ve posted this wonderful stunt before over the years, but THIS year Is going to be REAL SPECIAL!
A little background- I gather up garbage, dogsh!t, and a plethora of really disgusting things into a plastic bag, put the bag in a box, tape the hell out of it, wrap it up REAL PURDY, put a tag on it that reads something like “To uncle Robert with love from Gina”, and leave it unattended in my truck bed in a big parking lot in the next town. (My town is negroo-free) Been doing this for years.
Now for the REAL SPECIAL part- A buddy of mine works for the county, and part of his job is removing roadkill from public roads. Per my request, he has saved up a nice variety of carcasses for me, which I’ve been keeping in a big freezer I got free in September. They’re all frozen, pre-bagged, and waiting for the box.
As of last night, here’s the current inventory for Coon Christmas Carnage;
4 adult skunks.
1 huge raccoon. (coon for a coon? fitting!)
2 smaller coons, one is kind of in parts.
About 7 squirrels (all run over)
1 mega-disgusting opossum
Bought a bunch of boxes, rolls of wrapping paper, some ribbon, and tags- all to be put to good use in 2-3 weeks.
Yep, this will be one special Christmas for myself, and a bunch of thieving negroos!
December 1st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
, when 95% of them predicted playoffs as well, like who are you even telling that to?
no,was no where close to 95%.Feeling quite alone about right now huh?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
A 12 year fan means you are fking nobody! Try 1980.
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That’s awesome, you’re a bigger fan than me since you been fan since 1980 lesser fan than guys who are fans of this team since before 1980, I’m bigger fan than guys who are fans of this team after 2000- or later
December 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
So do you guys guess if Omaar Gaither will be a much better upgrade then McClain…or is gonna be the same?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The same if not worse.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
A 12 year fan means you are fking nobody! Try 1980. ====================== AND TRY 1963
December 1st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
, when 95% of them predicted playoffs as well, like who are you even telling that to?
no,was no where close to 95%.Feeling quite alone about right now huh?
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really, so since all you guys predicted losing season and I am the only fan who predicted a winning season, why are you so mad? LOL
December 1st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
tesla Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
A 12 year fan means you are fking nobody! Try 1980. ====================== AND TRY 1963
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Oh another bigger fan? anybody bigger fan than 1963? going once, going twice…
December 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Something tells me that if the Raiders were a losing team at the time , most of you guys wouldn’t even have become fans of this team
December 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
20 What it all means is you know NOTHING about this team or football,yet you had the balls to start sht with me in offseason.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
tesla Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
A 12 year fan means you are fking nobody! Try 1980. ====================== AND TRY 1963
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Oh another bigger fan? anybody bigger fan than 1963? going once, going twice… ====================================== YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT REAL RAIDER FOOTBALL LOOKS LIKE….WAY BEFORE YOUR TIME……..BEFORE THE ROSTER WAS FULL OF DUMB BABOONS AND RUN BY ONE
December 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
That’s awesome, you’re a bigger fan than me since you been fan since 1980 lesser fan than guys who are fans of this team since before 1980, I’m bigger fan than guys who are fans of this team after 2000- or later
Now ya got it Reggie lover.Now stfu!
December 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
GG-you are wrong.There might be some players who will bail,but they won’t be here next year and are being weeded out weekly.But as a whole I don’t believe the team has mailed anything in.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
====================================== YOU HAVE NO CLUE WHAT REAL RAIDER FOOTBALL LOOKS LIKE….WAY BEFORE YOUR TIME……..BEFORE THE ROSTER WAS FULL OF DUMB BABOONS AND RUN BY ONE
IM LIKEING YOU!!!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
That’s awesome, you’re a bigger fan than me since you been fan since 1980 lesser fan than guys who are fans of this team since before 1980, I’m bigger fan than guys who are fans of this team after 2000- or later
Now ya got it Reggie lover.Now stfu!
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LOL HAHHAHA
December 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Too many trolls to ignore.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Something tells me that if the Raiders were a losing team at the time , most of you guys wouldn’t even have become fans of this team ========================================== THE RAIDERS LOOKED GOOD ON MY BLACK & WHITE TV….YEAH BEFORE THERE WERE MANY COLOR TV’S AROUND.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Mc20, you are the biggest troll feeder on the blog. That is why they engage you so much, so take your focus off them and answer me this:
Does our current coaching staff have the wherewithall to out game plan Clevelands coaches? It has been duly noted that our coaches are set up for a checkers game at a chess match up. What do you think?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
I’m not even looking forward to tomorrow. That usually means something is going to happen.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Grumpy,
Did you read what Reggie said about bring involved in hiring DA’s staff?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
OH tell me about the Real Rider football, I’m dying to hear it from racist guy and another guy who gives everyone stupid names, this is like a dream come true, best day of my life, please tell me you about Real football, Racist and stupid name caller
December 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Being* involved …..
December 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Mc20, you are the biggest troll feeder on the blog. That is why they engage you so much, so take your focus off them and answer me this:
Does our current coaching staff have the wherewithall to out game plan Clevelands coaches? It has been duly noted that our coaches are set up for a checkers game at a chess match up. What do you think?
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Oh what do you want to hear? how is anything going to change what you feel about this team? you hate this team , and you come here everynight to tell us how much you hate the current management, news flash for you: this management will be here for a while, there’s a team across the bay that’s having a pretty good year, time for you to jump the ship, no?
December 1st, 2012 at 8:56 pm
racist racist racist troll troll troll troll troll troll racist racist racist. grammer grammer grammer.All words from those who predicted playoffs now feeling quite stupid.Bottom line.
December 1st, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:56 pm
racist racist racist troll troll troll troll troll troll racist racist racist. grammer grammer grammer.All words from those who predicted playoffs now feeling quite stupid.Bottom line.
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Kinda funny you tell me to stfu, but i still rule your mind even when i don’t mention you , lol ,thanks for letting me know how much i have taken over your mind
December 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Kinda funny you tell me to stfu, but i still rule your mind even when i don’t mention you , lol ,thanks for letting me know how much i have taken over your mind
I was talking to los raida cookaratcha idiot.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
GG-you are wrong.There might be some players who will bail,but they won’t be here next year and are being weeded out weekly.But as a whole I don’t believe the team has mailed anything in.
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If a number of players hate playing for Allen/Tarver/Knapp, and/or know they’re going to be released anyway there’s nothing for them to bother ‘fighting’ for. A number of players also mistakenly think they’re better than they are, and are keen to get traded or released so they can be picked up by real teams and win super bowls. You see it every year, and then wherever they go they generally suck, and get released from there as well. But it keeps happening every year still — players happy to get out to try somewhere else. Not only out of Oakland, but out of other teams too.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Haters gonna hate, GO RAIDERS !!!!! Proud to be a Raider fan even though i went through more losing years than pretty much all of you guys, I will predict playoffs every-year just like i predict a Raider win every week , tomorrow Raiders will win by becoming the first team ever by scoring in triple digits, 101 Raiders – 3 Browns
December 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Oh what do you want to hear? how is anything going to change what you feel about this team? you hate this team , and you come here everynight to tell us how much you hate the current management, news flash for you: this management will be here for a while, there’s a team across the bay that’s having a pretty good year, time for you to jump the ship, no?
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I don’t hate this team at all. I happen to be very disappointed at what the current staff has done to a promising off season. You know that. And btw, can’t stand the niners.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm
701.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
OH tell me about the Real Rider football, I’m dying to hear it from racist guy and another guy who gives everyone stupid names, this is like a dream come true, best day of my life, please tell me you about Real football, Racist and stupid name caller
Coming from an idiot who’s screen name idolizes a guy who trips over a blade of grass then gets hurt.lol.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
708.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Haters gonna hate, GO RAIDERS !!!!! Proud to be a Raider fan even though i went through more losing years than pretty much all of you guys, I will predict playoffs every-year just like i predict a Raider win every week , tomorrow Raiders will win by becoming the first team ever by scoring in triple digits, 101 Raiders – 3 Browns
============================= Thanks for proveing my point little man.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Look at our D. Pretty much everyone on there is going to get punted out of Oakland and upgraded by Reggie. They already mailed it in last four weeks. And while a couple here and there will fight and not mail it in, want to be Raiders hoping they stay on, a number will continue to mail it in hoping to get out.
The whole D the last month has been the worst ever. So if most of the D are going to be released anyway they wont suddenly stop mailing it in.
Remember early in the year? The O was pathetic and the D kept us in games. At some point this year, most of the D players have decided to mail it in. Im guessing unhappiness with McClain, but also unhappiness with Allen/Tarver. There’s some kind of convoluted divide going on between players and coaches on the D.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Mctroll20 posted 28 times in the last hour talking to/ about trolls.
Tsk tsk tsk.
You monkeys are destroying this place.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Oh what do you want to hear? how is anything going to change what you feel about this team? you hate this team , and you come here everynight to tell us how much you hate the current management, news flash for you: this management will be here for a while, there’s a team across the bay that’s having a pretty good year, time for you to jump the ship, no?
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I don’t hate this team at all. I happen to be very disappointed at what the current staff has done to a promising off season. You know that. And btw, can’t stand the niners.
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I freaking hate that we are not at the point all of us Raiders fans expected us to be at after last year , but what can you really do ? this was really a rebuilding year, you can’t go by last years 8-8 and think we were close to becoming playoff team, other teams change, they added players, while we had to cut players just to comply with cap, schedules change, you really can’t do much and just be optimistic about next year, hopefully with better OC and better players on D side will change things up
December 1st, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
708.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Haters gonna hate, GO RAIDERS !!!!! Proud to be a Raider fan even though i went through more losing years than pretty much all of you guys, I will predict playoffs every-year just like i predict a Raider win every week , tomorrow Raiders will win by becoming the first team ever by scoring in triple digits, 101 Raiders – 3 Browns
============================= Thanks for proveing my point little man.
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Thanks for proving my point i made in my last post that i still rule your mind even thought i don’t mention anything about you
December 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
713.Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Mctroll20 posted 28 times in the last hour talking to/ about trolls.
Tsk tsk tsk.
You monkeys are destroying this place.
TTTTTTTTTTTTRED DOT
December 1st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Mctroll20 posted 28 times in the last hour talking to/ about trolls.
Tsk tsk tsk.
You monkeys are destroying this place.
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December 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
You monkeys are destroying this place.
Cok,I mean Cork isn’t gonna like the monkey comment.See ya.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Mctroll20 posted 28 times in the last hour talking to/ about trolls.
Tsk tsk tsk.
You monkeys are destroying this place.
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Who else was i going to talk to? i just wanted to know how great of Raider fans they are after they predicted them to have more losses, while I’m a lesser Raider fan cuz i was born little bit later and been through more losing seasons than these guys and predicted better things this year, oh they really hate optimistics, they could def use more negativity?
December 1st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
I freaking hate that we are not at the point all of us Raiders fans expected us to be at after last year , but what can you really do ? this was really a rebuilding year, you can’t go by last years 8-8 and think we were close to becoming playoff team, other teams change, they added players, while we had to cut players just to comply with cap, schedules change, you really can’t do much and just be optimistic about next year, hopefully with better OC and better players on D side will change things up
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Gotcha. But given the current state of regression with this staff and their ability to game plan, it is hard to be optimistic for next year. I’ll meet you half way and say, OK, keep DA but root out the rest of the staff, cept Saunders, and go with a more intelligent coaching staff that builds and game plans around personel. You just cannot take a team and force feed a system and expect it to work. You’ve got to understand the players you have and game plan around that. But another question does lurk out there in the shadows that will have to be reckoned with. Has DA lost all credibility? May so, maybe not so. But one thing is certain: his current staff does not do him any favors.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Anyone ever watch the movie “Troll Hunter”? It’s pretty cool. Reminds me
of this place.
Minus the sub-titles.
But sub-titles might be nice around here.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:16 pm
McFadden,
Love your passion but I hate reading your posts. Stop feeding the trolls every effin day bro.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:17 pm
I didn’t knew that you would be an enemy among your own fanbase for being optimistic and butt of jokes from your own fanbase after being wrong and would be the least likeable fan
December 1st, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Gotcha. But given the current state of regression with this staff and their ability to game plan, it is hard to be optimistic for next year. I’ll meet you half way and say, OK, keep DA but root out the rest of the staff, cept Saunders, and go with a more intelligent coaching staff that builds and game plans around personel. You just cannot take a team and force feed a system and expect it to work. You’ve got to understand the players you have and game plan around that. But another question does lurk out there in the shadows that will have to be reckoned with. Has DA lost all credibility? May so, maybe not so. But one thing is certain: his current staff does not do him any favors.
======================================= try not to forget about the retard who allowed all of it.REGGIE is supposed to be a football guy.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
morilla Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Anyone ever watch the movie “Troll Hunter”? It’s pretty cool. Reminds me
of this place.
Minus the sub-titles.
But sub-titles might be nice around here.
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Best movie all time w/sub-titles:
City of God
December 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Too early to judge DA and Reggie (especially Reggie).
Fire:
1- Knapp
2- Hoffmab
3- Tarver
4- OL and DL coaches
December 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
I freaking hate that we are not at the point all of us Raiders fans expected us to be at after last year , but what can you really do ? this was really a rebuilding year, you can’t go by last years 8-8 and think we were close to becoming playoff team, other teams change, they added players, while we had to cut players just to comply with cap, schedules change, you really can’t do much and just be optimistic about next year, hopefully with better OC and better players on D side will change things up
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Gotcha. But given the current state of regression with this staff and their ability to game plan, it is hard to be optimistic for next year. I’ll meet you half way and say, OK, keep DA but root out the rest of the staff, cept Saunders, and go with a more intelligent coaching staff that builds and game plans around personel. You just cannot take a team and force feed a system and expect it to work. You’ve got to understand the players you have and game plan around that. But another question does lurk out there in the shadows that will have to be reckoned with. Has DA lost all credibility? May so, maybe not so. But one thing is certain: his current staff does not do him any favors.
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Yeah Knapp s8cks , we all know that , what else is there to show, yeah we have regressed because we’re losing these kinda games in a losing season instead of in a winning season in which we went down 34-0 before scoring first points in weeks 13 and 14 with everything on the line, regression at it’s finest
December 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
OH tell me about the Real Rider football, I’m dying to hear it from racist guy and another guy who gives everyone stupid names, this is like a dream come true, best day of my life, please tell me you about Real football, Racist and stupid name caller ======================== IT WAS PLAYED BY SMART WHITE PLAYERS & COACHES….lamonica/stabler/blanda/plunkett/hubbard/vaneeghen/banazak/biletnikoff/siani/chandler/otto/dalby/schuh/svihus/hawkins/casper/cannon/harvey/vella/buehler/marvin/…etc ON OFFENSE….davidson/keating/birdwell/costa/cline/thoms/matuszak/browning/alzado/conners/villapiano/johnson/hendricks/matos/laskey/millen/mccloughan/bird/mcelroy…etc…ON DEFENSE………………..the LAST GREAT RAIDER TEAM that won it ALL was HALF WHITE….now go look at all the dumb boons on your 2012 version…no wonder they SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
theres that word TROLL again.Can you fkn morons come up with anything else.Thats so gay gay gay.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Hoffman*
December 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Salam Qerd!
December 1st, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:17 pm
I didn’t knew that you would be an enemy among your own fanbase for being optimistic and butt of jokes from your own fanbase after being wrong and would be the least likeable fan
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Your not an enemy nor the butt of jokes. But I remember better times and to see the current state of affairs is just plain out right disgusting. And it has nothing to do with the late Mr Davis. I really wonder if DA has the ability to endure long term and do great things. A must for success.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Habibi,
Qerd?
LOL
Salam ya Basha!
Still LOL
December 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
morilla Says:
Best movie all time w/sub-titles:
City of God
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Best book of all time, City of God, by St. Augustine
December 1st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
*2nd best book of all time.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Yeah Knapp s8cks , we all know that , what else is there to show, yeah we have regressed because we’re losing these kinda games in a losing season instead of in a winning season in which we went down 34-0 before scoring first points in weeks 13 and 14 with everything on the line, regression at it’s finest
You loved Krapp about 4 weeks ago and defended the sht out of him.Backtracking are ya?
December 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
LOL
Hope all is well, bro! Any attempts to flee for the mountains? haha
December 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
There will be no need for a race war. The ignorant, immoral, degenerate, hopelessly perverted Neegroo beast is self exterminating.
Last I heard 70% of all new AIDS cases were Neegroos. About 10 years ago It was estimated that 40% of inner city Neegroos were HIV+. Now it’s 60%. Because of Neegroos insatiable appetite for SEX,SEX,SEX, and more SEX eventually, he will wipe “Hizass” from off the face of the “erf.”
Whitey will have won the race war without ever firing a shot!
Indeed. . . Like Napoleon said: “Never interfere with an enemy when he is in the process of destroying himself.”
December 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Mc20, one more thing. Sometimes the frustration and anger and humility and depression of losing and regressing like we do, well, bagging on the coaches is theraputic, sort of. It’s a defense mechanism to avoid total desperation, sort of. Hard to be optimistic when things are so bad. But your right, I’ve made it clear and will try from now on to refrain from dumping on them so much. I sure as hope like heck we can beat the Browns, big time. We shall see.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
733.Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Habibi,
Qerd?
LOL
Salam ya Basha!
Still LOL
Translated = I wear a towel and a red dot on my head.I smeel like piss.I own a gas station.still lol
December 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
McFadden20,
You are a good poster bro who has a lot of passion but you don’t have to argue with everyone you disagree with especially the trolls.
Mistic likes black QB, and he hates CP. Who cares? Let it go man.
You were wrong about this team and Knapp. It’s ok man. Let it go. I thought Frantz Joseph was going to be the next Ray Lewis. lol
December 1st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Habibi,
Qerd?
LOL
Salam ya Basha!
Still LOL ========= flying carpet monkey
December 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
733.Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Habibi,
Qerd?
LOL
Salam ya Basha!
Still LOL
Translated = I wear a towel and a red dot on my head.I smeel like piss.I own a gas station.still lol ============= EVERY TIME I SEE ONE OF THESE SMELLY TOWELHEADS…I’D LIKE TO TAKE A BAT AND SMACK THAT TOWEL RIGHT OFF THEIR STINKIN HEAD…..F’IN SAND NEEGROOS
December 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
LOL
Hope all is well, bro! Any attempts to flee for the mountains? haha
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Not today. lol
Men are 4-1 more likely to attemp suicide. I bet you 90% of those man are married.
Men die before women and more likely to attemp suicide. Poor bastards should consider fleeing to the mountains.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Oh look, the 2 racist monkeys are trying to communicate.
Good for you monkeys.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Troll Hunter is good
December 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
SEX eventually, he will wipe “Hizass” from off the face of the “erf ===================================== erf LMFAO.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Well, thank goodness for living 30 mins from SoBe and being single. lol Couldn’t deal with some of the stuff i’ve read about the M word. lol
December 1st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
I don’t know what kind of Arabs you monkeys know, but the ones I know use too much cologne.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm
749.Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
I don’t know what kind of Arabs you monkeys know, but the ones I know use too much cologne.
Yea,camel piss el toilete
December 1st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Fangs and jokefoshow are just angry cuz they don’t know how to dance.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
745.Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Oh look, the 2 racist monkeys are trying to communicate.
Good for you monkeys.
=============================================== We will be here all week,dont forget to tip your waitress.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
They need to dance it out like kevin bacon in footloose. They’d feel a lot better.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm
751.dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Fangs and jokefoshow are just angry cuz they don’t know how to dance.
Watch yourself fangs.This guy is 6ft2 220lbs and eats alot of corn in Sunnyvale Indianna. Millionair to.lol.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Sunnyvale California retard.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Los Raida Locos Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Mc20, one more thing. Sometimes the frustration and anger and humility and depression of losing and regressing like we do, well, bagging on the coaches is theraputic, sort of. It’s a defense mechanism to avoid total desperation, sort of. Hard to be optimistic when things are so bad. But your right, I’ve made it clear and will try from now on to refrain from dumping on them so much. I sure as hope like heck we can beat the Browns, big time. We shall see.
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Los Raida Locos, you know I’m just as frustrated as you guys or probably even more since i have only been around for 3 winning years, but believe me bro , don’t put too much into this years team, i really thought like that too , but if you realy think about it realistically this team wasn’t really that good, just when you think about where the league is headed, then it should be no surprise why we’re losing , the league is a passing league, so to win, you either need great passing or great pass rushing, we have neither of that, we got a good qb BUT we don’t got great receivers for him to throw to and most of all no Oline to give our qb any time, I want to ask you this, when was the last good passing team in top 10 did we beat? then the results of last 4 weeks should be no surprise why we losing so bad, i don’t think guys are giving up on this team because they know everybody’s job is on the line with this new regime, it’s just great talent meeting average talent, I mean we lost games badly down the stretch last year as well when everything was on the line, could you say team gave up on Hue? no, it was the same situation, we weren’t good enough to compete
December 1st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Isn’t it cute. Jokefoshow wants to make out with fangs.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
To my fellow Raider bro’s, by addressing the trolls nonsense and hate driven jargon, we give them the opportunity to respond.
I’m not falling for it anymore. There’s no cure for ignorance.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Well, thank goodness for living 30 mins from SoBe and being single. lol Couldn’t deal with some of the stuff i’ve read about the M word. lol
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I saw a young couple getting married at Balboa park, the poor bastard looked at me and smiled (I think he was happy), so I gave him a sad look and shook my head. I wanted to yell run for your life but that was not appropriate.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Tell him about all the bar fights you had with raider fans in ummm sunnyvale.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
McFadden20,
You are a good poster bro who has a lot of passion but you don’t have to argue with everyone you disagree with especially the trolls.
Mistic likes black QB, and he hates CP. Who cares? Let it go man.
You were wrong about this team and Knapp. It’s ok man. Let it go. I thought Frantz Joseph was going to be the next Ray Lewis. lol
====
You know i wasn’t too excited about Knapp or anything but i was willing to give him some time with the team and see where the team goes with moving forward with more experiennce in his system, and i got to admit , i was wrong to even give him a chance and i feel fool for doing that, you guys were right, this guy is dumb as rocks, he’s like a madden player who keeps calling the same freaking plays until the other team figures out and then he totally gives up on them after the play fails, he’s also like 5 plays behind on every play
December 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
To my fellow Raider bro’s, by addressing the trolls nonsense and hate driven jargon, we give them the opportunity to respond.
I’m not falling for it anymore. There’s no cure for ignorance.
++++++++++
December 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Sunnyvale California retard.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
December 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Los we will lose to the browns tomorrow because DA is still the head coach…
December 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
to continue on post 716, i would like to add, we need new OC but still need a new C , RT and Wide Receivers to become that team that can win shoot out games, because our D is still atleast couple of years away from becoming good unit
December 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
GG,
How many draft picks do you think we’ll end up with? Include trades you think might occur before the draft as well.
December 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
GG post 762 true story…
December 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Prediction
Cleveland 27
Oakland 13
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7FGbhpr2pg
December 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
758.MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
To my fellow Raider bro’s, by addressing the trolls nonsense and hate driven jargon, we give them the opportunity to respond.
I’m not falling for it anymore. There’s no cure for ignorance.
Does this mean your heading back south of the border chilly pepper?
December 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Prove me WRONG Raiders….
December 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm
I don’t know about AM crew but as a PM crew we can make an promise to each other that we will not respond to any of these trolls no matter how much stupid stuff these guys throw out there to bait us, I am all in and I promise that i will not feed these trolls anymore, are you guys with me?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Post 765 our D is a good coach away from being a good unit… good coaches scout players who can play in their system and teach discipline bad coaches get blew out from week to week…
December 1st, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Move to the 3-4
Bryant and Houston at DE
Trade Shaughnessy, Branch, and whomever else if possible
Draft
First priority (early rounds)
NT and Center
Second priority (early-mid rounds)
ILBs and OLBs
Third priority (mid-late rounds)
CBs and Safeties
Fourth priority (late rounds and UDFA)
RT, OGs
December 1st, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I would really like to one day have a lot of money and convert my garage into a bar and own every kinda liquor bottle in the world , what do you guys like to drink?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I’m torn between wanting the Raiders to get beat down and in turn watching the whole staff get fired
or
Hoping we respond to all the adversity around the team and see if DA gets these guys motivated to play well and win. If that occurs maybe, just maybe he can get the team playing better and not getting blown the fck out from here on out.
but
I kind of want a high draft pick. lol Since we are rebuilding the ship.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
McFadden,
We need a new OC, C, RT, and RG. We have young WRs that we can develop, but we need to add a RB who durable.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Raider O, you in SD?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
@mc20 ignore
the low lifes. Im all in as well. Finally we agree! Lol
December 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Post 765 our D is a good coach away from being a good unit… good coaches scout players who can play in their system and teach discipline bad coaches get blew out from week to week…
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You could be right ,maybe the coaching is the problem but how are you going to sell that when we have sucked for 10 years on D? and how can you say these guys could have scouted better players with about 5M to spend?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
GG,
How many draft picks do you think we’ll end up with? Include trades you think might occur before the draft as well.
======
Palmer (maybe), McFadden, Branch, Shaughnessy, Seymour, Kelly, McClain.
They’re about the only ones we have tradeable. The last three would probably be all 7th rounders or conditional picks, all you can hope for.
Palmer (jets/cards) could get a 1st or 2nd + late rounder
McFadden (cowboys) could get a conditional 2nd + late rounder
Branch (eagles) could get a 4th
Shaughnessy (patriots) could get a 4th
December 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
771.mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm
I don’t know about AM crew but as a PM crew we can make an promise to each other that we will not respond to any of these trolls no matter how much stupid stuff these guys throw out there to bait us, I am all in and I promise that i will not feed these trolls anymore, are you guys with me?
No,anybody who predicted playoffs for this Reggie team is to fkn stupid to have friends.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Oh and Briesel we could trade and take whatever you can
December 1st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
As for the trolls, sometimes I like to make fun of them. It’s my weakness. The key is to see them for jokes they are and not get mad. Just laugh at their idiocy. They make good sport.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
morilla Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Anyone ever watch the movie “Troll Hunter”? It’s pretty cool. Reminds me
of this place.
Minus the sub-titles.
But sub-titles might be nice around here.
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Best movie all time w/sub-titles:
City of God
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Yeah, that was a good one. A lot of good ones out there. Just watched “Oldboy” again. Check that one out.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I’m torn between wanting the Raiders to get beat down and in turn watching the whole staff get fired
or
Hoping we respond to all the adversity around the team and see if DA gets these guys motivated to play well and win. If that occurs maybe, just maybe he can get the team playing better and not getting blown the fck out from here on out.
but
I kind of want a high draft pick. lol Since we are rebuilding the ship.
—
You know i was also against tanking the season for better draft position but now i feel like if we win more games , we could miss out on some game changers and btw I’m not on J Jones bandwagon anymore after watching today’s game, the guy is nothing when he has to play the run game lol, I’m all in for drafting Damontre Moore DE Texas A&M
December 1st, 2012 at 10:09 pm
This season is over. I want the high draft pick.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I drank a lot if Jim beam and makers mark in the day. Also gray goose. Plus miller lite, Heineken, red stripe, rolling rock, moose head, corona, Guinness, fosters, and plenty of others.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
# GG Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
GG,
How many draft picks do you think we’ll end up with? Include trades you think might occur before the draft as well.
======
Palmer (maybe), McFadden, Branch, Shaughnessy, Seymour, Kelly, McClain.
They’re about the only ones we have tradeable. The last three would probably be all 7th rounders or conditional picks, all you can hope for.
Palmer (jets/cards) could get a 1st or 2nd + late rounder
McFadden (cowboys) could get a conditional 2nd + late rounder
Branch (eagles) could get a 4th
Shaughnessy (patriots) could get a 4th
_________
If Reggie could pull of the Palmer trade, i’d be pretty excited. The way things are going now, might as well build from the ground up. We aren’t going to the playoffs next year. Get as many draft picks and load this team up with talent and coaches, who will coach them up.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Not true Mc20 10 years ago we were in the bowl. And yes we were awful on D last year as well but we didnt give up 165 points in a 4 game span. 5 games left and ive got DA finishing out 1-4 just like hue if hes lucky.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I think if Reggie can get a good value in trade for Murphy and Bruce Campbell, then he will def surprise some of us with getting better value than we thought we could get for some players
December 1st, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Newcastle, Sapporo.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
# dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I drank a lot if Jim beam and makers mark in the day. Also gray goose. Plus miller lite, Heineken, red stripe, rolling rock, moose head, corona, Guinness, fosters, and plenty of others.
____________
At that rate, you could wipe out your liver before the world ends again, on the 21st lol
Bourbon, vodka…guinness…fack!
December 1st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Not true Mc20 10 years ago we were in the bowl. And yes we were awful on D last year as well but we didnt give up 165 points in a 4 game span. 5 games left and ive got DA finishing out 1-4 just like hue if hes lucky.
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yeah i know we didn’t give up 165 points in a 4 game span, at any point of our history before this year, but we also didn’t have 4 Dlinemen who probably wouldn’t start for most of the teams lol, we always had atleast some kinda good player on Dline , but rules have changed so much, it has become a passing league, unless your 2006 Raiders unable to put up points on the board, and unable to stop the run , teams will keep throwing on you
December 1st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
#788 MiamiRaider78…
Yeah, I’m in two minds about Palmer. I suggested last night might be worth keeping him on to covert him to OC in 2014, tie Pryor’s career to Palmer for another 5+ years. But I don’t think anyone in Alameda is thinking that left-field.
More importantly…our D is hot garbage. Palmer who is in his mid-thirties can get us a 1st or 2nd then it’s worth cashing in that chip because it can get you a 1st/2nd round talent to sure up the D. A beast NT or some good 3-4 pass-rushing OLBs or a good ILB. There’s far too much work to be done on rebuilding the D, and we COULD still make-do in 2013 with leinart as starter and Pryor as back-up, until Pryor is ready.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:19 pm
If Reggie could pull of the Palmer trade, i’d be pretty excited. The way things are going now, might as well build from the ground up. We aren’t going to the playoffs next year. Get as many draft picks and load this team up with talent and coaches, who will coach them up.
>>>>
I’m not sure “excited” would be the term I would use. I am ok with dealing our best player if we are content with winning 3 or 4 games a season for a few more years.
Not sure I’d get excited about it though…
December 1st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
This is how much work needs to be done on D.
This would be a starting D 2013, the empty spots are players expendable and worth upgrading with drafted players and FAs.
RDE: Bryant – NT: ? – LDE: Houston
ROLB: Burris – RILB: Wheeler – LILB: ? – LOLB: ?
RCB: ? – LCB: ?
FS: Huff – SS: ?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Hmm the warriors are #1 in their division ahead of the Lakers and the clippers, Thee A’s won their division and finished 2nd in the AL, the giants won the world series, the niners look primed for a sb and the raiders…. are the raideyt. Smh Every team in the bay has climbed out of the cellar only for the raiders to fire hue and climb back in it… shame!
December 1st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
More importantly…our D is hot garbage. Palmer who is in his mid-thirties can get us a 1st or 2nd then it’s worth cashing in that chip because it can get you a 1st/2nd round talent to sure up the D. A beast NT or some good 3-4 pass-rushing OLBs or a good ILB. There’s far too much work to be done on rebuilding the D, and we COULD still make-do in 2013 with leinart as starter and Pryor as back-up, until Pryor is ready.
>>>>
Two wins TOPS, next season trading Palmer.
If you are ok with that, knock yourself out.
No team in the NFL trades their best player.
I think we should just build an o-line around him like NE did with Brady.
Or lets just be INSANE instead…
December 1st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I drank a lot if Jim beam and makers mark in the day. Also gray goose. Plus miller lite, Heineken, red stripe, rolling rock, moose head, corona, Guinness, fosters, and plenty of others.
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I like Jim Beam and Makers mark, how do you like to drink your alcohol ? with mixers ? what kind? or without?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
do you guys know if viagra works better than cialis? beech dawg can’t get it up again.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
GDog,
I understand and I would love for our team to be competitive/contenders but the reality is, we are in for the long haul. I rather get as many picks as possible and go from there.
I’m approaching this as, we will be bad for the next 2 years. Hopefully we all get surprised but i’m not setting myself up to be disappointed anymore.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I guarantee Seymour and kelly would start on many other teams in the league, D line isnt our weakness its lb and cb and fs…
December 1st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I wouldn’t be against Trading Palmer or letting him if A Luck or/and R Griffin were available, you guys think Indy would have let Manning go with this years draft class? LOL,
December 1st, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Gdog Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
More importantly…our D is hot garbage. Palmer who is in his mid-thirties can get us a 1st or 2nd then it’s worth cashing in that chip because it can get you a 1st/2nd round talent to sure up the D. A beast NT or some good 3-4 pass-rushing OLBs or a good ILB. There’s far too much work to be done on rebuilding the D, and we COULD still make-do in 2013 with leinart as starter and Pryor as back-up, until Pryor is ready.
>>>>
Two wins TOPS, next season trading Palmer.
If you are ok with that, knock yourself out.
No team in the NFL trades their best player.
I think we should just build an o-line around him like NE did with Brady.
Or lets just be INSANE instead…
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There’s no point carrying a 33 yo above-average but on the wane QB when your D is hot garbage. He’s not going to win you any games…as we are seeing this year! Palmer unable to do anything because our D is so bad we’re getting blown out repeatedly.
Cash him in and get yourself a beast NT in the first round. That NT you can build a D around in the draft and FA. A guy like Leinart can run an efficient Knapp boring offense until Pryor is ready to take the reigns.
A top 10 D in 2013, working towards a top 5 D in 2014, can be enough to allow you to win games with a game managing QB (Smith-Niners for example in 2011).
December 1st, 2012 at 10:28 pm
What are we going to get for Palmer at this point? I think he’s more valuable to us than anything we’d get in a trade. Plus, who’s going to take on his salary?
Palmer isn’t getting traded.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
You still try to go with good players or potential with every position, why trade Palmer for some stupid effed up QB, or draft guys with average potential ? we got Palmer who’s a good player at his position and doesn’t seem like a guy who’s just playing for money, i see no reason to get rid of him unless any other good QB is available or unless our D was magically going to become 00 Ravens D, 02 TB D, last years Whiners D, get my drift?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:30 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
# dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I drank a lot if Jim beam and makers mark in the day. Also gray goose. Plus miller lite, Heineken, red stripe, rolling rock, moose head, corona, Guinness, fosters, and plenty of others.
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At that rate, you could wipe out your liver before the world ends again, on the 21st lol
Bourbon, vodka…guinness…fack!
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yeah, i used to drink a ton. born and raised in south bend, indiana. lots of Catholics. irish. polish. all kinds of immigrant-type family histories. we were heavy drinkers. play football. drink. fight. f#ck. that’s what u do there. midwestern city personified. but i don’t drink too much anymore. an occasional beer here and there. some wine with dinner.
had a panic attack at a wedding when i was 26. f@cked with me pretty bad for awhile. pretty much went cold turkey and never looked back.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
I’m drinking Grant’s “the family reserve” Scotch Whiskey , anyone ever tried it?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
GDog,
I understand and I would love for our team to be competitive/contenders but the reality is, we are in for the long haul. I rather get as many picks as possible and go from there.
I’m approaching this as, we will be bad for the next 2 years. Hopefully we all get surprised but i’m not setting myself up to be disappointed anymore.
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Not sure how any business could survive such a tactic. Hey… our product has stunk for the last ten years, but bear with us as we throw away the only part of it that doesn’t stink, so we can maybe get better in a few more years.
Please… if the Raiders trade CP… they deserve empty stadiums for the next two years.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Cardinals would definitely be interested in Palmer. They had success with a previously ‘has-been’ vet QB in Warner (look at his years in New York and first year in Arizona). The Cards are being crucified with sub-par QB play, and they have a good D they know if they could just get a capable vet there they could challenge the NFC West.
Cardinals would take Palmer for a 2nd + late round pick. Fight for more but cash that chip in.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I drank a lot if Jim beam and makers mark in the day. Also gray goose. Plus miller lite, Heineken, red stripe, rolling rock, moose head, corona, Guinness, fosters, and plenty of others.
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I like Jim Beam and Makers mark, how do you like to drink your alcohol ? with mixers ? what kind? or without?
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i alway drank my bourbon with a splash of coke and a lime. vodka with a twist on the rocks. i liked to taste the alcohol. didn’t really love mixers. u can go with vodka and cranberry. a splash will do. the cran dominates and u don’t taste the liquor as much. easier to handle if ur not used to strong drinks.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Cleveland D is underrated, they have a pretty good pass rush,while the raiders have no D cant stop the run nor pass while trent richardson is a grown man on the ground and Brandon weeden is maturing. The browns will win and they will win big.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:33 pm
good scotch is cool. on the rocks for me. let it melt a little. heavy liquor breath. it’s like ur drinking it again when ur breathing.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:33 pm
#812…yep.
Browns 34
Mailers 17
December 1st, 2012 at 10:34 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Cleveland D is underrated, they have a pretty good pass rush,while the raiders have no D cant stop the run nor pass while trent richardson is a grown man on the ground and Brandon weeden is maturing. The browns will win and they will win big.
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the raiders are a schizo team. if they show up, they could stomp the browns easily. if they don’t, they could get embarrassed.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
You still try to go with good players or potential with every position, why trade Palmer for some stupid effed up QB, or draft guys with average potential
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Well no kidding… if we were sitting like Indy or Wash where we can get a for sure franchise QB to replace CP, it would be a no brainer… but give us a product of Matt Leinert or a QB that has never thrown a NFL pass next year to pick up WHAT EXACTLY?
WHAT GAME CHANGER COULD WE PICK UP NEXT YEAR FOR CP?
Good gawd…
December 1st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Two wins TOPS, next season trading Palmer.
If you are ok with that, knock yourself out.
No team in the NFL trades their best player.
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KC traded J Allen, and the Vikings traded R Moss. It’s not the norm, but it happened.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
the weather will be in play. raiders pass game could take a hit, but reece can get it done. it will be interesting to see how the defense responds with mcclain finally gone. gaither isn’t a stud but he’s capable of playing the position.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:37 pm
if dmc plays, how many times do u think he will lose his footing?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:38 pm
GG Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Cardinals would definitely be interested in Palmer. They had success with a previously ‘has-been’ vet QB in Warner (look at his years in New York and first year in Arizona). The Cards are being crucified with sub-par QB play, and they have a good D they know if they could just get a capable vet there they could challenge the NFC West.
Cardinals would take Palmer for a 2nd + late round pick. Fight for more but cash that chip in.
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Oh boy! A 2nd round will PUT US IN THE SB IN TWO YEARS!!
Good gawd… the stupid… IT BURNS!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 10:38 pm
And who knows, maybe Palmer wants out?
If I were him, i’d probably be sick and tired of some of thr situations he’s found himself in.
I like Palmer, don’t get me wrong. I just don’t see us having enough resources to build around him to be able to go to the playoffs next year, especially after all that has unfolded this year.
If the OC and DC stay, how will the players react?
If we bring in new ones
the players will have to deal with new coaches, new styles of teaching, new wrinkles etc
Just saying.
More coaching changes…
December 1st, 2012 at 10:39 pm
i’m not sure who to go with on my fantasy team.
bryce brown
demarco murray
mikel leshoure
beanie wells
marcel reece
i dropped palmer last week and picked up kaepernick. i also have freeman. (so much for missdick thinking i don’t like black qb’s!)
December 1st, 2012 at 10:40 pm
I think most guys don’t understand the rebuilding process, Rebuilding doesn’t mean you just sign young players for the sake of it , it means you’re going to take your lumps and go with young guys WITH POTENTIAL who would become great at their respective positions in 3-4 years , you don’t just give up on your good veteran players to just sign young average guys with no potential and call it a rebuilding year LOL
December 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Face reality. The Browns have been playing highly competitive football on three sides of the ball, for the last month or so, since the new owner Haslam took over. The raiders have been mailers. Any given sunday. But on form, the Browns will double our score this week, Richardson who is incredibly hard to tackle, is facing our D which cannot tackle or control gaps. Our pass D has made QBs like Gabbert look like Rodgers. Hartline has done mostly nothing except when he played us put up 100+ yards receiving. Same with many other opposing players, have been having career days against us. Law Firm last week for instance.
We barely and very fortuitously beat the pathetic (at the time) Jaguars and the still pathetic Chiefs. Steelers win was an outlier. That’s WHO we are in 2012. That’s our identity.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Mc20 youll trade Dmac but you wouldn’t trade Palmer? Smh Id trade palmer before Id trade Dmac… Palmers 32, Dmac is 25 see the difference? And i dont care about injuries, just listen to mark Jackson talk about steph curry, if you’ve got a young star in the makin stick with him.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Cards
Jets
Browns
Bills
Jags
December 1st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
my hunch is that we will hold onto palmer (we would take a drubbing in the media for giving up a 1st and 2nd for him and only getting back a 2nd and 5th, or whatever) and try to develop pryor. if his mechanics still look bad in the offseason/preseason, then we would pick a successor in next year’s draft. palmer gives us solidity at the most important position for a few more years.
as for pryor, i would love it if he worked out. i just don’t think he’s a good passer. i’m looking forward to seeing him like everyone else. but i think his future is as a wr.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Gdog Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:38 pm
GG Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Cardinals would definitely be interested in Palmer. They had success with a previously ‘has-been’ vet QB in Warner (look at his years in New York and first year in Arizona). The Cards are being crucified with sub-par QB play, and they have a good D they know if they could just get a capable vet there they could challenge the NFC West.
Cardinals would take Palmer for a 2nd + late round pick. Fight for more but cash that chip in.
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Oh boy! A 2nd round will PUT US IN THE SB IN TWO YEARS!!
Good gawd… the stupid… IT BURNS!!!
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That you think a waning Palmer with 2 years max left in him is going to put us in the SB is stupid burning.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Mc20 youll trade Dmac but you wouldn’t trade Palmer? Smh Id trade palmer before Id trade Dmac… Palmers 32, Dmac is 25 see the difference? And i dont care about injuries, just listen to mark Jackson talk about steph curry, if you’ve got a young star in the makin stick with him.
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dmc has missed a LOT of time with injuries. they add up. when he plays again this week or next, i think the difference between him and reece will be evident.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
palmer has 4 years left.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
You guys see how ignoring the trolls works! lol
December 1st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
How many games has DMAC missed in total?
Are we going on, almost a full year worth?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:33 pm
good scotch is cool. on the rocks for me. let it melt a little. heavy liquor breath. it’s like ur drinking it again when ur breathing.
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HAHAHAH I know exactly what you mean
December 1st, 2012 at 10:48 pm
The raiders made the law firm look like jim brown, they’re going to make trent Richardson look like eric dckerson. E.D phone home!!! Lol hell they made doug Martin look like sweetness. Smh shame
December 1st, 2012 at 10:49 pm
And who knows, maybe Palmer wants out?
If I were him, i’d probably be sick and tired of some of thr situations he’s found himself in.
I like Palmer, don’t get me wrong. I just don’t see us having enough resources to build around him to be able to go to the playoffs next year, especially after all that has unfolded this year.
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We have too many needs, I doubt we can fix them all by next season, so I’m OK with trading Palmer as long as we get a 1st or 2nd. I don’t think we can get a 1st, but I’m positive we can get a 2nd.
Our needs:
DE
CB
DT/ NT
LB
S
C
RG
RT
RB (even if DMC stays. Option year for him)
TE
Vet WR
December 1st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Mc20 youll trade Dmac but you wouldn’t trade Palmer? Smh Id trade palmer before Id trade Dmac… Palmers 32, Dmac is 25 see the difference? And i dont care about injuries, just listen to mark Jackson talk about steph curry, if you’ve got a young star in the makin stick with him.
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I’m not against Dmac talent’s, I’m against his durability, his talents won’t do no good while sitting on the bench, I mean if he was going full on out and giving it his all for this team and still struggling i wouldn’t hate him, but since he’s just not even fighting for extra yards and gets injured on 1 on 1 tackles before mid-season every year, there’s no reason to believe he will eventually stay healthy next year
December 1st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
We also need:
OC
DC
STs coach
OL coach
DL coach
December 1st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
what does smh mean?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:48 pm
The raiders made the law firm look like jim brown, they’re going to make trent Richardson look like eric dckerson. E.D phone home!!! Lol hell they made doug Martin look like sweetness. Smh shame
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You know , i really think the Run D is not that bad, i think it’s just that when they struggle to stop passing , they sell out on stopping QBs and they pay for it on the ground , i have seen them stuff good running games a few times, but have not seen them do much against passing game
December 1st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Still dont care, Dmacs reward outweighs his risk because in the right system and with the right coaching staff we’ve seen what hes capable of… damn near mvp worthy. Forget what you guys are talking about id keep him.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
We also need:
OC
DC
STs coach
OL coach
DL coach
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I would give DC a pass cuz he really didn’t had much to work with everything else i agree with you, btw did you mention you were arabic?
December 1st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
getting mcclain off the field will do wonders.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Looks like I started Priest off on a race tirade back in #449 and that lead to who knows how many posts. Just want to set the record straight here. I have no issue with the color of a QB and that doesn’t impact how I assess their ability to succeed in the NFL. I do however believe that strong running QBs in college have stunted development in the mental part of their game because their escapability precludes having to spend the time in the pocket to make the extra reads.
I do believe, from numerous different observations an dsources, that Pryor, as an individual (regardless of skin color) just ain’t all that bright. Deal with it. There are the stories of his extraordinarily low Wonderlik scores. There’s what I heard Gruden was saying about him being “Dumber than f*@k” off the record after doing his QB School show with him. There’s the fact that Plunkett felt the need to apologize for him having trouble learning the simple aspect of relaying the play from the speaker in his helmet to the huddle. There’s the tape I watched of his college play where he showed zero ability to make adjustments before the play and very rarely was able to find the non-primary target in his routes.
I also believe that QBs that aren’t well above average in intelligence are capped in their potential in the NFL. It’s just too complex of a world that involves split second decisions by the QB, where getting them wrong affects all 11 guys on the field. Therefore I don’t want the Raiders invested much in developing a QB that has a very low liklihood for success. That’s a waste of coaching resources that could be spent on players with more upside so that when they do find the guy to groom for the 2014-2015 time frame he’ll have a more complete surrounding cast.
I’d be saying the same thing about a QB with a genius level IQ but that lacked an NFL arm. If you don’t have the full set of tools the odds are stacked tremendously against your success, so I don’t want the team I follow wasting time on very low potential candidates.
On the other hand, Pryor is an amazing athlete and I’m very impressed with his drive and desire to prove himself a success. I’d like to see that harnessed into a role where his decision making doesn’t affect 10 other guys on the field in the way that a QBs does.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Still dont care, Dmacs reward outweighs his risk because in the right system and with the right coaching staff we’ve seen what hes capable of… damn near mvp worthy. Forget what you guys are talking about id keep him.
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I understand where you’re coming from , but that’s ok if you already got a good team and can be okay paying 6 M to a injured prone player, but you can’t do that when your hands are tied because of salary cap and you got problems all over the team
December 1st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
anyone notice how when i pointed out fangs and jokefoshow’s inability to dance, they left?
must be working on their moves in the mirror.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Raider O,
We have way too many holes to fill and we need to replace plenty of coaches. Palmer isn’t going to take this team to the playoffs anytime soon without any help.
December 1st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
@Doc Rob, smh means “shaking my head.” As in thats a shame
December 1st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
All our acquisitions next year should be all Defense, and just the OL on offense.
The front 7 on D is the one that needs to be prioritized because a dominant front 7 can hide and override the weaknesses at DB. But you can’t say the same in reverse.
D: Monster NT, 2 ILBs, 2 OLBs (3-4 pass rushers), SS, 2 CB, FS (or just keep Huff). Houston/Bryant switch to 3-4 DEs.
O: Monster C, a RT, and RG.
There’s enough pieces at WR, RB, TE, QB to make a fist of it.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
1 thing i have still haven’t understood most of the Raider nation on , they all neglect the WR position, the game has moved on, this is a passing league and you need good receivers to beat teams now , i seriously don’t think there is even a #2 on the roster, I just don’t get why they think Moore or any of our receivers are #1 or are good enough to put up 30+ points a week
December 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 10:48 pm
The raiders made the law firm look like jim brown, they’re going to make trent Richardson look like eric dckerson. E.D phone home!!! Lol hell they made doug Martin look like sweetness. Smh shame
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The difference is # 55 won’t be playing.
I will bet that you will see an improved defense simply by him not being there.
That may sound crazy, but you’ll just have to see for yourselves.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
WR’s that can catch too…That shet has been embarrassing at times.
Good post 843.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
That C from Alabama is really good, dude was handling Jenkins 1 on 1 btw Jenkins is kinda over-rated, Alabama have better DT Jesse Williams but DE D Moore should still be the pick
December 1st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
1 player can keep you down, and it could be McClain who was keeping our D down with his attitude, when everyone was counting him to be our leader, I don’t know what they will do without having him in the lineup, but I’m kinda excited
December 1st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
lol..mark is on DA’s and reggies aszs….just read his interview…go get him
mark.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Lol @ post 845…. and mc20 its football bro, every player is injury prone. If a player makes it through an entire season without getting hurt its through gods graces, luck, and good karma. Lol its the most violent sport on earth outside of boxing or mma. All players are prone to injury in this league so i wouldn’t single out Dmac or turn my back on him for that…
December 1st, 2012 at 11:08 pm
I’m officially off Jarvis Jones bandwagon, he’s ok when you have good run Defenders at other positions and you can ask him to pass rush all the times but not when you have bad run D already lol, dude is horrible against the run
December 1st, 2012 at 11:08 pm
McFadden,
Arab/ American or American/ Arab.
Palestine!
December 1st, 2012 at 11:08 pm
I don’t know about you guys, but I am sick and tired of having a 30 ranked D and a porous OL.
I want a top 5 D right away and an OL that can set a pocket for 5-10 secs and bulldoze lanes for RBs.
When you have an OL like that, you can fit in average WRs and RBs because they WRs will get open can’t be covered for too long and the RBs will have truck-wide lanes.
OL and front 7 are THE most important facets. Even as it’s a passing league now, the OL is even more of a priority than WR is.
I want that Bears 85 or Ravens 00 D right here right now.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Lol @ post 845…. and mc20 its football bro, every player is injury prone. If a player makes it through an entire season without getting hurt its through gods graces, luck, and good karma. Lol its the most violent sport on earth outside of boxing or mma. All players are prone to injury in this league so i wouldn’t single out Dmac or turn my back on him for that…
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I know it’s football man, but have you seen the kinda injuries he go down on , it’s one thing if you’re getting injured on gang tackles or by multiple tacklers, this is 4th year in a row he got tackled by 1 guy before mid-season and out for season on ankle sprains, when guys like Terrelle suggs come back midseason after they were expected to miss the whole year
December 1st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
And…even as it’s a passing league now, the front 7 is the most important thing on D. You need to generate a pass rush.
OL/F7 most important.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:08 pm
McFadden,
Arab/ American or American/ Arab.
Palestine!
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COol, I’m Indian LOL
December 1st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
SMH: Shaking My Head
December 1st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
a good center is braxton cave, from notre dame. i’m guessing he will be a 3-4th rounder.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
GG Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
And…even as it’s a passing league now, the front 7 is the most important thing on D. You need to generate a pass rush.
OL/F7 most important.
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True that but even with good to great Oline you still need good receivers, because eventually you will face greating Pass rushing teams, like NYG, Remeber great D always beats Great O, so you’re Oline won’t be good unless you have receivers who can also get open easily
December 1st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Thats why I always like the Parcells approach;
build inside out…
That Alabama line was manhandling Georgias defense with the run. We need the NFL version of that on the Raiders.
I like Fluker.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
we should draft ever notre dame player possible!
December 1st, 2012 at 11:19 pm
McFadden,
I love Indian food and women. Love them!
December 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Miami,
I agree, but you never know. He has a few good years in him (2-3). We can continue to develop TP because I don’t think he is ready to be our starter.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Indian women are hot!!!!
December 1st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Raider O Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:19 pm
McFadden,
I love Indian food and women. Love them!
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Indian food is awesome, sometimes i just feel like taking a trip there for a year just to enjoy the Indian food, Indian woman is good for only fun not marriage lol
December 1st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Indian women are hot!!!!
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well, yeah. it’s like 140 degrees in india!
December 1st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
women*
December 1st, 2012 at 11:28 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Indian women are hot!!!!
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well, yeah. it’s like 140 degrees in india!
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lmao
December 1st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
i like curry and tandoori. but i’m a meat eater, so it’s gotta be the chicken dishes.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
lmfao
Nice one Rob!
Goodnight gent, I enjoyed the talk.
Later habibi! haha
December 1st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
dr_robert Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
i like curry and tandoori. but i’m a meat eater, so it’s gotta be the chicken dishes.
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you should try butter chicken and curry chicken, lamb curry just awesome
December 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: No Winner.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: To be reconstructed when I feel better
backstageatapuppetshow Says: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says: Browns 38 Raiders 24
GG Says: If Pryor plays 3 or more qtrs
Raiders 27 Browns 24
If Leinart/Palmer play most of the game
Browns 34 Raiders 13
RaiderRockstar Says: Raiders win 20-10
qodrn: Raiders 24 Other team 21
December 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
yeah. i dig all that.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
lmfao
Nice one Rob!
Goodnight gent, I enjoyed the talk.
Later habibi! haha
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Later lol
December 1st, 2012 at 11:36 pm
raiders 23
browns 20
December 1st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
qodrn1 Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Raider Prediction Board
Dedicated to Al Davis, Raider duct tape (boy does it hold) and the Coliseum rodents
Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: No Winner.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: To be reconstructed when I feel better
backstageatapuppetshow Says: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says: Browns 38 Raiders 24
GG Says: If Pryor plays 3 or more qtrs
Raiders 27 Browns 24
If Leinart/Palmer play most of the game
Browns 34 Raiders 13
RaiderRockstar Says: Raiders win 20-10
qodrn: Raiders 24 Other team 21
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I predicted bye week for week 8? Why didn’t you add me to the list?
December 1st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
hard to believe the lowly browns are favored in vegas over the raiders. wow.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:40 pm
i’m out. gonna find a movie to watch after i take my dog for a midnight walk.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Browns are playing good, can’t take them easily based on their record
December 1st, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Maaaaan I had this 1 indian girl named parminder, best vjay I’ve ever had in my life! Lol since then whenever I go out i be hunting hoping I come across me another Punjabi princess. Lol at first it if youd of asked me out of all races of ladies id experienced havin intercourse with who had the best goods id of said latina but after parmy id havee to give the crown to indian women.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Later Rob.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Later rob, and remember the lowly brown’s are favored because they’re playing the lowly raiders. Lol thats how much faith they have in DA and his boys.. says a lot i know.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Later Habibi.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
The Mack Says:
December 1st, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Maaaaan I had this 1 indian girl named parminder, best vjay I’ve ever had in my life! Lol since then whenever I go out i be hunting hoping I come across me another Punjabi princess. Lol at first it if youd of asked me out of all races of ladies id experienced havin intercourse with who had the best goods id of said latina but after parmy id havee to give the crown to indian women.
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must be really awesome, cuz you could spell her name right lol
December 1st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
It’s understandable Browns would be favored even though we’re at home.
They just beat Pittsburgh, just barely lost to Baltimore on the road, should’ve beat Dallas…those are their last 3 games.
Our last 3 have been horrible thumpings that’ve been handed to us.
Browns are seen as a young team starting to come into their own and WE….are seen as a team falling..and falling fast.
Two different directions. I totally get why Browns are favored.
December 1st, 2012 at 11:58 pm
qodrn1…
here are the predictions from week 11, i did the hunting for you
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SilverNBlackPA Says:
November 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Raiders 33 – Bengals 27
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GG Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 am
I think I won last week’s tipping contest.
This week…
Bengals 34
Raiders 16
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Raider E Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 10:33 am
These guys have mailed it in. They are done playing for DA.
Bengals – 31
Raiders – 9
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Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I picked a Raider victory last week. F*ck it, I’m doing it again:
Raiders 20
Bengals 17
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MiamiRaider78 Says:
November 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
For DA’s sake
Raiders-27
Bengals-23
Reality
Raiders-27
Bengals-41
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Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
November 24th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Palmer is a loser.
A loser is a loser.
Bengals 45 Raiders 27
Just Win Baby.
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I win week 11 as well
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 am
I almost feel sorry for DA at this point. I’ve been piling on him for not having the team prepared etc. and although we are devoid of talent for the most part, i still feel like we shouldn’t be THIS bad.
DA though has a ticked off owner in his face telling him he’s not doing good enough…he’s got open defiance in the lockerroom as well as subtle defiance from others i’m sure and media questioning whether he should even be here instead of Hue…he’s getting hammered as well.
I’m satisfied that he’s gotten the message that people aren’t happy…especially the people that matter…like the owner.
The fans have chimed in as well and their inaction of not seeling out the stadium for the first time in 2 years has people’s attention. That matters to Mark…so it matters to DA too.
I hope he pulls this team together and shows us he can get this ready to play.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
Draft picks
Round – player
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1 – D Moore DE, Texas A&M
2 – Amerson CB, N&S State
3 – Khaled Holmes, C, USC
4 – Brandon Jenkins, DE, Texas A&M
5 – A.J. Klein, MLB, Iowa State
6.- Damien Square, DT/DE, Alabama or Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
7. Javon Harris, S, Oklahoma or Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
Kelly being a great team captain
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Raiders defensive linemen Desmond Bryant, Matt Shaughnessy and Lamarr Houston will appeal their $26,250 fines stemming from a fight last week against the Bengals. But not Tommy Kelly.
“I don’t really have a case,” Kelly said. “Just got to realize that. Long as they don’t suspend me, I ain’t complaining.”
Only one Bengals player, tackle Andrew Whitworth, was fined by the NFL on Friday.
Kelly has been trying to convince his teammates not to appeal.
“All they gotta do is watch the tape,” he said. “Shoot, the league may tack on more money.”
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Btw, they should appeal. Only one Bengal was fined, but i know another Bengal came off the bench like Kelly did, got involved and tore off Kelly’s facemask, he didnt get fined. Nor did several other Bengals involved in the skirmish.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 am
wtf 4 Raiders were suspended and only 1 Bengal even though it was a Bengal who started it all? SMH, what about the refs who screwed up that fumble, not did they not give us TD, they didn’t give us freaking fumble, not that they didn’t give us fumble, they didn’t even gave us incomplete, lol @ they could get to replay the down
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 am
Some of you guys know i’m a classic rock guy, but i’m going through the grocery store and I hear “Africa” by Toto….i also heard the Carpenters and “Daniel” by Elton John, but i digress. For some reason that Toto song would not leave my brain so when i got home i youtubed it, put on my headphones and cranked up the live version of “Africa” from a 2008 show in Paris and i was blown away.
I never would give a second thought to “Toto” as something more than elevator music or dentist office background noise, but that song from a musical arrangement, lyrical, instrumental and vocal standpoint is a freaking masterpiece.
That’s my “Musical Minute” brought to by Vagisil.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 am
I understand fining Shaugnessy (punching) Bryant (Punching) Kelly (coming off the bench) but why was Houston fined for just retaliating or trying to get that player off of him? and shouldn’t sh1tworth what ever his name is be suspended for instigating the whole incident? SMH
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 am
Some of you guys know i’m a classic rock guy, but i’m going through the grocery store and I hear “Africa” by Toto….i also heard the Carpenters and “Daniel” by Elton John, but i digress. For some reason that Toto song would not leave my brain so when i got home i youtubed it, put on my headphones and cranked up the live version of “Africa” from a 2008 show in Paris and i was blown away.
I never would give a second thought to “Toto” as something more than elevator music or dentist office background noise, but that song from a musical arrangement, lyrical, instrumental and vocal standpoint is a freaking masterpiece.
That’s my “Musical Minute” brought to by Vagisil.
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I don’t know about american music as much as american sports but LMFAO at last line
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 am
GG Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
Kelly being a great team captain
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Raiders defensive linemen Desmond Bryant, Matt Shaughnessy and Lamarr Houston will appeal their $26,250 fines stemming from a fight last week against the Bengals. But not Tommy Kelly.
“I don’t really have a case,” Kelly said. “Just got to realize that. Long as they don’t suspend me, I ain’t complaining.”
Only one Bengals player, tackle Andrew Whitworth, was fined by the NFL on Friday.
Kelly has been trying to convince his teammates not to appeal.
“All they gotta do is watch the tape,” he said. “Shoot, the league may tack on more money.”
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Btw, they should appeal. Only one Bengal was fined, but i know another Bengal came off the bench like Kelly did, got involved and tore off Kelly’s facemask, he didnt get fined. Nor did several other Bengals involved in the skirmish.
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Yeah, that was Carlos Dunlap that came on to the field, and Kelly was barking at him continually….then Whitworth egged on the fans as he left.
What an embarrassment. They need to circle the wagons and get this thing back on track. Im hoping Omar Gaither can give em some stops to replace Slolando McClain.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:29 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 am
Some of you guys know i’m a classic rock guy, but i’m going through the grocery store and I hear “Africa” by Toto….i also heard the Carpenters and “Daniel” by Elton John, but i digress. For some reason that Toto song would not leave my brain so when i got home i youtubed it, put on my headphones and cranked up the live version of “Africa” from a 2008 show in Paris and i was blown away.
I never would give a second thought to “Toto” as something more than elevator music or dentist office background noise, but that song from a musical arrangement, lyrical, instrumental and vocal standpoint is a freaking masterpiece.
That’s my “Musical Minute” brought to by Vagisil.
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I don’t know about american music as much as american sports but LMFAO at last line
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power ballad power rankings
Toto – Africa
Lost in Love – Air Supply
Heaven – Bryan Adams
Wayward Son – Kansas
Dead or Alive – Bon Jovi
More than A Feeling – Boston
Kashmir – Led Zeppelin
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:37 am
ah toto. they pretty much sucked. but they had a few catchy little pop records. they were a bunch of session musicians so they could play, but they were fairly generic. i always preferred “rosanna”, which was about rosanna arquette, the guitarists girlfriend.
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 am
The fight would have happened wether they were losing or winning , it was all started by that Bengal player, maybe it would have involved less players (that’s anyone’s guess, and I don’t think Houston took Dalton to ground on purpose and it wasn’t even that bad of a tackle for sh1tworth to get mad at and walk from 20 feet away to attack Houston
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:54 am
The Raiders can’t miss with their 1st pick and they should do anything to get a 2nd rd pick and they could get FS, CB , MLB, or another DL with that, third could be used on a C/RT , 4th on D again, 5th on O, 6th and 7th can be used on high risk, high reward player
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 am
Re: music talk, i love this song for some reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmqxPin2F4
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:03 am
In some mock drafts and other sites, Damontre Moore is moving ahead of Jarvis Jones as the best pass rusher in the draft
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:03 am
ride like the wind
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:04 am
Damontre Moore can do it all, which fits in perfectly with the multiple D scheme our coaching staff have decided to use
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 am
He was OLB in 3-4 scheme used by Texas A&M last year, he’s DE in 4-3 this year and have lined up as an ENd and OLB in 3-4 plays, pretty good against both pass and run games
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:07 am
the good news is that this draft is heavy at DE/OLB at the top, so if rggie decides to go that way, one of jones, moore, or mingo will likely be there.
the problem is, that without a 2nd rounder, we have to make that first pick a good one, cuz then we have to wait until the 3rd and start getting players like bergstrom. decent guys but not necessarily game changers immediately.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:08 am
He’s looking more and more like a top 5 pick now , I’m little torn between Raiders winning and missing out on some game changers and Raiders tanking the season in order to draft high and get the player they want, I want the Raiderz to win and on the other hand want a great pass rusher on the D side
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:09 am
Also love this song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbuj31SqB9o
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 am
dr_robert Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:07 am
the good news is that this draft is heavy at DE/OLB at the top, so if rggie decides to go that way, one of jones, moore, or mingo will likely be there.
the problem is, that without a 2nd rounder, we have to make that first pick a good one, cuz then we have to wait until the 3rd and start getting players like bergstrom. decent guys but not necessarily game changers immediately.
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Just say no to Mingo , he’s like Wimbley , pretty much dips his shoulder on every play, Jones could be valuable if your team got good enough run stuffers and you can ask Jones to make plays in pass game that’s when he’s really good
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:11 am
Jones could be an absolute beast in passing game but just not sure what he’s going to do against the run game, D Moore could do it all and never takes any plays off
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:17 am
@post 892 damn when you put it that way i kinda feel sorry for ole DA myself, but then again he’s a grown man and he’s getting paid a king’s ransom to handle pressure like this… hey they fired a guy who’d just come off a .500 season so he should of known expectations were high…
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:19 am
As far as Toto goes, I love this song by them the most
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76loUeeFzXo
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:20 am
I think they were wrong to fire Cable, the guy went 8-8 and ended the season on a good run, which is why we started off good going into 2011, Hue went 1-4 last 5 games and obviously it carried over to this season
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 am
And the old NFL Street had some killer trax on it, like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG_0mfNiKtw
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 am
@Mc20 i was a cable fan too, big time! He had the guys playing hard with heart and he kept his mack hand strong. Lol “The cable guy!” Him and hue a good combination, and ialso liked john Marshall as Dc, hes looking like buddy ryan after how awful Tarver and bresnahan have proven to be.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
Draft picks
Round – player
________
1 – D Moore DE, Texas A&M
2 – Amerson CB, N&S State
3 – Khaled Holmes, C, USC
4 – Brandon Jenkins, DE, Texas A&M
5 – A.J. Klein, MLB, Iowa State
6.- Damien Square, DT/DE, Alabama or Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
7. Javon Harris, S, Oklahoma or Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina
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Mcfadden 20,
Don’t you think we are in greater need of DT?
We got one that might be done for the year in Seymore, Kelly, is always a question mark and aging. Our LBs are not impact players by any stretch. Without a Dt this Defense will have Huge holes right in the middle come next year
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:33 am
GG Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 am
And the old NFL Street had some killer trax on it, like this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG_0mfNiKtw
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Lmao, I haven’t played madden in awhile since my HDMI cable messed up, it was funny guys thought i was playing as RAIDERS because of the speed on the team and never played against me, even though i never liked playing with another team, there’s just something with the Raiders that just make you fall in so much with Raiders.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:35 am
The Mack Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 am
@Mc20 i was a cable fan too, big time! He had the guys playing hard with heart and he kept his mack hand strong. Lol “The cable guy!” Him and hue a good combination, and ialso liked john Marshall as Dc, hes looking like buddy ryan after how awful Tarver and bresnahan have proven to be.
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Yeah i actually felt really bad for Cable , only time started hating Al D so much, even after i forgave him for all his record setting years from 2003- 09
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:35 am
Raidertalk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
Draft picks
Round – player
________
1 – D Moore DE, Texas A&M
2 – Amerson CB, N&S State
3 – Khaled Holmes, C, USC
4 – Brandon Jenkins, DE, Texas A&M
5 – A.J. Klein, MLB, Iowa State
6.- Damien Square, DT/DE, Alabama or Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
7. Javon Harris, S, Oklahoma or Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina
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Mcfadden 20,
Don’t you think we are in greater need of DT?
We got one that might be done for the year in Seymore, Kelly, is always a question mark and aging. Our LBs are not impact players by any stretch. Without a Dt this Defense will have Huge holes right in the middle come next year
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pass rush is the biggest need. and DT’s can be gotten in later rounds or thru FA much easier.
pass rushers, corners, left tackles, and qb’s. and rb’s. those are the premium positions.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:38 am
I never would give a second thought to “Toto” as something more than elevator music or dentist office background noise, but that song from a musical arrangement, lyrical, instrumental and vocal standpoint is a freaking masterpiece.
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Toto was an interesting band. They were a group of super talented studio musicians that all played on other people’s stuff. They decided to put their skills together and see what they could do to make some real money, and turned out that they could crank out some serious pop. As a musician, when you listen to what’s going on, it’s fairly high skill stuff.
FWIW, my first legit girlfriend loved their first hit Hold The Line, so that song always has a special spot in my memory. That was when I was like 13, so I guess that kinda dates me too
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:40 am
raidertalk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
Draft picks
Round – player
________
1 – D Moore DE, Texas A&M
2 – Amerson CB, N&S State
3 – Khaled Holmes, C, USC
4 – Brandon Jenkins, DE, Texas A&M
5 – A.J. Klein, MLB, Iowa State
6.- Damien Square, DT/DE, Alabama or Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
7. Javon Harris, S, Oklahoma or Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina
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Mcfadden 20,
Don’t you think we are in greater need of DT?
We got one that might be done for the year in Seymore, Kelly, is always a question mark and aging. Our LBs are not impact players by any stretch. Without a Dt this Defense will have Huge holes right in the middle come next year
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Have you checked our sacks total this year? there are like 3-4 guys with more sacks than our team total , so we need pass rush really bad, unless we can get JJ watts or warren sapp who can attack from inside, we need to draft a legit pass rushing DE
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:40 am
On my week 13 Raiders prediction, I’m boldly going to say that the McClain suspension is going to light a fire under the defense’s butt. They’ll play decent enough for Palmer and the offense to win in a minor shootout. It won’t hurt that Weeden still has some cobwebs in his skull from his concussion, and will be looking less than sharp.
Raiders 31, Browns 27
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:42 am
dr_robert Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:35 am
Raidertalk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
Draft picks
Round – player
________
1 – D Moore DE, Texas A&M
2 – Amerson CB, N&S State
3 – Khaled Holmes, C, USC
4 – Brandon Jenkins, DE, Texas A&M
5 – A.J. Klein, MLB, Iowa State
6.- Damien Square, DT/DE, Alabama or Zack Martin, OT, Notre Dame
7. Javon Harris, S, Oklahoma or Marcus Lattimore, RB, South Carolina
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Mcfadden 20,
Don’t you think we are in greater need of DT?
We got one that might be done for the year in Seymore, Kelly, is always a question mark and aging. Our LBs are not impact players by any stretch. Without a Dt this Defense will have Huge holes right in the middle come next year
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pass rush is the biggest need. and DT’s can be gotten in later rounds or thru FA much easier.
pass rushers, corners, left tackles, and qb’s. and rb’s. those are the premium positions.
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Pass rushing is 2nd after QB according to recent drafts
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:43 am
Hold the Line I’ve got posted above in one of my Madden video highlights.
Btw, my inspiration for those videos was seeing so many video highlights of college players put to the music of gangsta rap or heavy metal, and I always thought there are actually a number of classic songs out there that would so work with player highlights.
So “ride like the wind” and “send me an angel” for highlights of receivers.
“black betty” and “turn me loose” for highlights of running backs.
“hold the line” perfect for defensive player highlights.
And…re: madden, loved 10 the most. Plus you could save long highlights. Those kick return TD highlights in the last video for instance.
every now and then i’ll fire up the ps3 and play some online games purely to collect a bunch of highlights for m13. one day i’ll do another highlights package put to classic music.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:45 am
“dont bring me down” would make for a great RB highlights video for instance.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:51 am
All guys with average talent but on same page is better than above average talent but with 1 guy not on page, so f8ck McClain , and it’s a good thing what Raiders did to McClain , that’s how you send a message, now only if Raiders would have done that to W Sapp and R Moss
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:51 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR0j7sModCI
this one reminds me of how our defense has been playing lately. the moves are……fantastic.
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:52 am
GG Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:43 am
Hold the Line I’ve got posted above in one of my Madden video highlights.
Btw, my inspiration for those videos was seeing so many video highlights of college players put to the music of gangsta rap or heavy metal, and I always thought there are actually a number of classic songs out there that would so work with player highlights.
So “ride like the wind” and “send me an angel” for highlights of receivers.
“black betty” and “turn me loose” for highlights of running backs.
“hold the line” perfect for defensive player highlights.
And…re: madden, loved 10 the most. Plus you could save long highlights. Those kick return TD highlights in the last video for instance.
every now and then i’ll fire up the ps3 and play some online games purely to collect a bunch of highlights for m13. one day i’ll do another highlights package put to classic music.
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I hate that you can’t replay the whole play and there is no more franchise mode in madden 13, WTF was wrong with that?
December 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 am
I may stay up all night and day and game time and sleep after the game depending on the results
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:00 am
M13 has connected careers which allows you to play online and i think offline franchise mode. ive seldom time anymore for extended madden play like franchise mode. i like they brought in physics. but without giving you 16 seconds to be able to record a whole play, it sucks.
m10’s way of juking, leaping, spinning, trucking, etc, just looked and played better.
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:02 am
This is a great classic song too. The main guitar solo is severely underrated, seemingly never rated among the greatest guitar solos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsXjCp_f1h4
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:06 am
i’ve got a billion favorite songs, across many genres, i created a site where i could put up some of my favorite songs. there are two sections, 50 songs each section.
http://ggeden.wix.com/ggeden
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:09 am
Several things:
1. As much as I root against KC. I will be watching the games today with a heavy heart. I would never wish anything on anyone what Romeo Crennel and Scott Pioli had to witness yesterday. Prayers go out to the families of the fallen.
2. “Africa” is by far the best “Toto” song; “99″ is the second best.
3. Trade D-Mac NOW — either a first or maybe two seconds. Also, dump Seymour and Kelly — more draft picks, if possible.
4. Speaking of draft picks, our number one priority should be anchoring the defensive line — NT Star Loutelei out of Utah would be my pick, if I were making it today (but a lot can happen between now and April),
5. Let’s get the win today, and then try and mess up Manning on Thursday night!
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:10 am
love this song, got a very weird but killer guitar riff…
http://ggeden.wix.com/ggeden#!__hell-and-earth/animus
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:11 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opWV472p5NQ
just watched one of the greatest vids i’ve ever seen.
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:15 am
#936…Agree with 1, 3, 4 is right up my alley anchor with a 3-4 NT, 2 99 is terrible imo
and 5 hope so on both counts, but have my doubts
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:15 am
baker street! great cut.
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:16 am
#938…yep very inspirational.
i posted this on youtube 4 years ago
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zi_IIsZyws
same kind of story
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:17 am
And this one is for Fangs, cos I’m sure the idea of it turns him on…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpJX6BkkS-A
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:19 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5Arbm47IQ
here’s one for ya
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:20 am
How tragic for the Chiefs, Belcher and his infant daughter. Senseless loss for all. High hopes for the child.
McClain was present at the start of practice Wednesday before being asked to leave amid speculation he might be released. Allen asked McClain to stay home from the facility on Thursday, saying there needed to be “consequences to his actions. Time for all parties to packed their bags and roll up out of here! Allen, Spuds, Seymour, Palmer, in fact…start from scratch!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:21 am
dr_robert Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:19 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH5Arbm47IQ
here’s one for ya
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haha, thanks man, that is a classic
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:29 am
uriah heep to name but one band
the 70s were the best decade ever — music, woman, sports, etc.
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:36 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7jW8_2Us5c
try this one
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:37 am
“Shave my Wife, I’m Goin’ Down For the last time”!
funny misunderstanding of the words
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:41 am
“woman with the sweet lovin’, better than a white line”
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:43 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdXjm8pZMws
December 2nd, 2012 at 3:01 am
#947 – it’s almost ‘there’ but falls a little short. that line is good tho.
#950 – that’s more like it
December 2nd, 2012 at 3:13 am
and a backdrop to it all was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xch6Nh2Szs
December 2nd, 2012 at 3:16 am
dont wanna hear all this oooh i hope we keep losing so we can get a higher pick, or seasons done midyear lets start analyzing who we should take in the draft talk
we’re pathetic right now and i do wanna see aspects of the team/coaches blown up, but sick of this bs bad news raiders of the last 10 years and being a butt of jokes instead of a reviled hated angry loner entity
December 2nd, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Feel free to check it out. He’s plugging holes and finishing hits. And looks more… Statement from Raiders on Chiefs tragedy – ibabuzz.com 12/01/2012 The Oakland Raiders are empathizing with the Chiefs organization. [...]
December 2nd, 2012 at 3:35 am
dr_robert Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:11 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opWV472p5NQ
just watched one of the greatest vids i’ve ever seen.
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WoW…..Wonderful
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:42 am
So, if Gaither comes in tomorrow, and he gets 12 tackles and 3 of which are sacks, and 1 pick six, will be calling on him to be our starting MLB for the future??? What would happen to McClain? Controversy in Oaktown! lol…
after all, the MLB is the QB of the defense right?…
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OG doesn’t need all of that. If he doesn’t get abused in coverage & against the run – he’s our starting MLB
all he has to do is hold his own, do his job
5 or 6 tackles and a couple of passes defensed will work for me
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:52 am
Great article on Ziggy Ansah in SI (a guy our draft maven YA was talking about).
Non-football part that was hillarious. He is from Ghanna, grew up “wealthy” for there, and said they go to the market at least once a day, eat everything completely fresh.
So his biggest adjustment moving to Provo, was having to get used to “junk food, frozen food, and crappy burgers”.
The state of America. People came from Africa and complain about the lack of fresh food, lol.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:01 am
Don’t think Ansah is a top 10 pick, but probably will be a 1st rounder.
Projections are that he is going to absolutely own the combine.
6′6, 270, will run a 4.5 forty, 40 inch vertical and never lifted weights until 2010, and is said to be making massive gains year to year on his lifting.
Footwork of a soccer player, and will do very well on the Wonderlic as well.
Very, very intriguing prospect.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:25 am
My draft prospect recap from some of the players from yesterdays SEC game:
Georgia Player
-Jarvis Jones: Not at all impressed with his all-around game for the supposed prospect he is. Good motor, high-energy pass-rusher, but seemed almost like a liability against the run. Top 5 picks don’t get picked on like he did.
-John Jenkins: Great size, and a good pass rusher for a NT, but can’t really give a good grade to the NT of a team that gave up 350 yards rushing. Although when it seemed like they actually did stop a run, he was involved.
-Sean Williams: Great size as well for a safety, but more of in-the-box guy, not very rangy for a safety. Great passion, clearly the leader of the defense, but more like a 3rd round pick or so. Missed a few tackles as well due to poor technique.
-Rambo: Good range, too thin, horrendous tackler. No thanks.
-Aaron Murray: Will be very interested if he comes out in the draft or goes back to school. 3 years in the SEC without ever getting hurt says a lot. Lots of fight and moxie, and pushes the ball down the field, almost to a fault sometimes. Really, really like his game. Measurables will hurt his draft stock though. Got to love that he throws a pick the end of the half, gets cheap-shotted by a 300 pound lineman, and plays better in the 2nd half. Best back-shoulder thrower in college, and that is an NFL staple throw right now.
Alabama players
-Barret Jones: Leader of the best O-line in the game, but not sure if he will play C or G in the NFL. Seems like your consistant, low ceiling low floor player, will start for a long time in the NFL, but may not make any Pro Bowls.
-Chance Womack: Completely man-handled people in the interior all game long. When in doubt, they ran behind him, and often times he opened massive holes. Should be the first Guard of the board in the draft, and should be a top 15 pick, IMO. Immediate, impact player.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 am
If the Raiders win today, then good. I hope to see the team make respond the last 4 games. If they lose, then I want them to lose out. There would be no point in winning anymore games.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:45 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
So his biggest adjustment moving to Provo, was having to get used to “junk food, frozen food, and crappy burgers”.
The state of America. People came from Africa and complain about the lack of fresh food, lol.
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It’s not really that surprising. Amurricans love their processed foods.
I’m intrigued by Ansah. But he worries me as another one of those combine stud projects like Bruce Campbell. Being so new to football is just a big red flag to me.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:48 am
There would be no point in winning anymore games.
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Pride. Building a foundation of consistent good performance for the 2013 season to hit the ground running with their instituted defensive and offensive schemes.
Imagine too, Pryor started week 13. And he could lead them to 4 victories at the end. That would also be worth fighting for himself and the team next year.
It’s never acceptable to ‘lose out’. Fck draft picks and rubbing hands in anticipation, wanting higher picks. That’s loser mentality.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 am
I don’t believe in any benefit of losing games.
The reason we went 8-8 in 2010 and 2011, IMO, is because the 2009 team fought back and beat Cincy late, and then went into Pittsburgh and won a game they didn’t fell like they could win, until they did so.
These kids on the roster who most assuredly will be back, need to learn how to win football games.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:54 am
Pride. Building a foundation of consistent good performance for the 2013 season to hit the ground running with their instituted defensive and offensive schemes.
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I realize that. But, if you lose to the 3-8 Browns at home, you don’t have much foundation to build on.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:54 am
How do you think the Colts got Andrew Luck?
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 am
Being so new to football is just a big red flag to me.
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Pretty funny the way they described how he had no idea what football was like, so he had no bad habits.
Like he didn’t know how to absorb contact, and kind of brace for it. So he literally just ran full speed into people, at contact.
Worked well, but they had to tone him down because his body was getting beat to hell.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:57 am
How do you think the Colts got Andrew Luck?
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If there were an Andrew Luck in this draft, than maybe I could see it.
But there is ZERO chance we have the first pick in the draft, so whether we pick 5th or 9th, should have no major impact on this teams ability to win in 2013.
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:58 am
Agreed… The point of playing a game is for one team to win …never want to encourage losing… Like the Raiders need encouragement to lose… They’ve been pretty good at losing … Always try and win…
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:01 am
Can’t believe the way the media is talking about this KC situation.
Dude is a murderer. Tragic as it is, if he didn’t kill himself and instead went on the run, I doubt it would be discussed with such solace.
Suicide has somehow turned him into some victim.
He is not.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:10 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:54 am
Pride. Building a foundation of consistent good performance for the 2013 season to hit the ground running with their instituted defensive and offensive schemes.
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I realize that. But, if you lose to the 3-8 Browns at home, you don’t have much foundation to build on.
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True. But look at it also from a coaching pov too. The coaches wanting to find something that can work, try some new combinations, new packages, new starters, a 3-4 change, etc, and like i said before, a new starting QB winning out to build confidence and hit the ground running for 2013. They could hit on something that starts working, a catalyst for say back-to-back wins in weeks 16 and 17, could be even dominant displays, the D finding ways to get pressure and sacks, players like Ausberry Criner Crawford etc reaching that next level.
Also, last few games are against divisional rivals, and it’s always worth winning out for bragging rights and trying to mess with their heads for 2013.
Where you pick in the draft isn’t so important. Look how often teams like Steelers, Patriots, Giants, etc have been picking from the 28-32 range. They still find good talent, even trade down and down for more mid-late picks than necessarily blowing their wad on high 1st rounders, and still do a great job finding talent.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:12 am
If there were an Andrew Luck in this draft, than maybe I could see it.
But there is ZERO chance we have the first pick in the draft, so whether we pick 5th or 9th, should have no major impact on this teams ability to win in 2013.
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It could cost us someone like Te’o. Obviously the Raiders aren’t going to lose on purpose. I’m not advocating tanking. I’m just saying that a few wins against teams like the Browns, Chiefs, and Panthers aren’t going to do the Raiders any good in the long run.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 am
#964…exactly, well said, and that last line “young players need to find how to win games”…that’s the foundation you try to build as a team, and each unit within. HC, GM, DC, OC, and the players, all need to learn how to better train, prepare, gameplan, and execute. Find out the trick, what clicks. So training camp 2013 is not them still clueless how to do those things successfully, and thus first month of 2013 regular season is them STILL losing trying to learn how.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:15 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/02/browns-raiders-facing-weather-issues/
Wow, 50 mile an hour winds in Oakland this morning. Report says they will die down before the game. This weather may ruin any chance of seeing Pryor throw the ball today.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:16 am
Chip Kelly vs Gruden
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/02/for-your-local-coaching-vacancy-chip-kelly-or-jon-gruden/
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:19 am
Anybody read the SI article about Brandon Weeden? Pat Shurmur said they didn’t institute all the playbook. They just put in plays that the players could run which would ALSO be to their strengths…Novel concept.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 am
Best line from PFT video: “Is John Gruden more myth than fact”.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:41 am
Fingers Says:
Agreed… The point of playing a game is for one team to win …never want to encourage losing…
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I prefer see this team to go out with momentum this season, not the way they ended 2011.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
After optimism he would play this week, Raiders RB Darren McFadden unlikely to play today vs Cleveland.
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Who cares. SMH
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 am
Got some Crown Royal and coffee in me,..poncho on,..heading in,..lol at DMC,..biggest female dog in the NFL…she aint hurt at all, never has been.,..nor was she last year. Enjoy your game day peeps. We heading in!!! (Cya soon Brien!)
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:34 am
Have fun Bob.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:57 am
Mark Davis to Dennis Allen: It’s not good enough
Posted by Josh Alper on December 2, 2012, 10:32 AM EST
Raiders owner Mark Davis went public with his frustrations about the state of the team last month, but he made sure that coach Dennis Allen got a full airing of his concerns on the flight home from last week’s loss to Cincinnati.
Monte Poole of the Bay Area News Group reports that Davis had his “first conversation of note” with Allen on the flight. The conversation is described as “passionate” and “spirited” but Davis says it wasn’t heated or angry. He just wanted to make sure that he got his point across as plainly as possible.
“I wouldn’t say it was heated; the most heated I got was when we first got on the plane and I told him it’s not good enough,” Davis said. “And that’s what I said. I told him not long after we boarded: ‘It’s not good enough.’ I admit I was pissed off.”
Davis said he left the conversation impressed by Allen’s intensity, a trait he admits he wasn’t sure the coach possessed. He wants to see the same thing from the rest of the team over the final weeks of the season.
“Last year at this time we were 7-4 and (ahead) in the division. Then we lost four out of our last five. And that’s why I didn’t fight for (former head coach) Hue Jackson to keep his job,” Davis said. “Well, we have five games to go. Who on this team wants me to fight for them to keep their job? Who among the players and coaches really wants to be here? Who wants me to fight to keep them here?”
Davis’ father was notorious in his later years for making rash decisions without much outside counsel. Davis says he doesn’t want to be like that, but he’s making it pretty clear that change will still come to Oakland if the Raiders can’t convince him things are moving in the right direction.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 am
Reggie and DA supporter or not–it is Sunday. The Raiders are playing. Today’s Titanic Struggle comes against a formidable foe with the same record. Leave the politics for post game…til then, it’s game day, and it doesn’t get any better than that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jroy7fHIMaI
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
PFT’s reporting the Chiefs are going to have a moment of silence before today’s game, but dedicate it to all victims of domestic violence. Really the best they could do in the situation since the NFL won’t do the right thing and just postpone the freaking game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 am
Dr_robert Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 2:11 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opWV472p5NQ
just watched one of the greatest vids i’ve ever seen.
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Awesome Vid, just goes to show it all starts with your mind,if the thinking is right you can be happy through all the circumstances
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
After optimism he would play this week, Raiders RB Darren McFadden unlikely to play today vs Cleveland.
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Who cares. SMH
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Party much how I feel as well.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:17 am
As long as Goodson’s back, we should have a decent rushing attack.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:20 am
I feel like a Reeece/Goodson combo is better than DMac.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 am
When did the Raiders cut Cumbie lose? Now would have been a good time for him and Bryant to get all the snaps.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 am
McFadden is SOFT.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 am
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:19 am
Anybody read the SI article about Brandon Weeden? Pat Shurmur said they didn’t institute all the playbook. They just put in plays that the players could run which would ALSO be to their strengths…Novel concept.
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IMO, DA not doing that has been his biggest obvious failing.
Sticking square pegs into round holes.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:28 am
Now, it’s official. DMAC has missed 1/4 of the season AT MINIMUM once again.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 am
McFadden is SOFT.
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Now, now. I have it on VERY good authority that an opposing linebacker breathed on DMac way too hard during Thursday’s practice, and might have even mussed his hair up, too. That would completely explain his absence for today’s game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:01 am
Can’t believe the way the media is talking about this KC situation.
Dude is a murderer. Tragic as it is, if he didn’t kill himself and instead went on the run, I doubt it would be discussed with such solace.
Suicide has somehow turned him into some victim.
He is not.
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I brought this question up yesterday. I wondered how media and Chiefs would respond to this and lessen the issue that this guy killed someone (before himself).
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 am
RaiderDuck Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
PFT’s reporting the Chiefs are going to have a moment of silence before today’s game, but dedicate it to all victims of domestic violence. Really the best they could do in the situation since the NFL won’t do the right thing and just postpone the freaking game.
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(Lamar Hunt) didnt postpone games after the JFK Assassination , so why would they for this?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 am
Mcthompso Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 am
Reggie and DA supporter or not–it is Sunday. The Raiders are playing. Today’s Titanic Struggle comes against a formidable foe with the same record. Leave the politics for post game…til then, it’s game day, and it doesn’t get any better than that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jroy7fHIMaI
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THANK YOU. Agree wholeheartedly.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 am
983.RaiderDuck Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
PFT’s reporting the Chiefs are going to have a moment of silence before today’s game, but dedicate it to all victims of domestic violence. Really the best they could do in the situation since the NFL won’t do the right thing and just postpone the freaking game.
No such thing as domestic violence,just a bunch of dumb hores who dont know there place.Like a horse,gotta bustem between the eyes with a baseball bat once in a while.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:37 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 am
Best line from PFT video: “Is John Gruden more myth than fact”.
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He never had a losing season in Oakland. FACT.
Admittedly, he didnt coach Oakland once Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Rothelisberger started their ascension , either.
Maybe he never should’ve left in the first place. But thats all over now.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 am
Reggiehater Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 am
983.RaiderDuck Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
PFT’s reporting the Chiefs are going to have a moment of silence before today’s game, but dedicate it to all victims of domestic violence. Really the best they could do in the situation since the NFL won’t do the right thing and just postpone the freaking game.
No such thing as domestic violence,just a bunch of dumb hores who dont know there place.Like a horse,gotta bustem between the eyes with a baseball bat once in a while.
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Another country heard from. The land of Troll-la-la still ekes its mighty roar.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 am
The Chiefs should do nothing to remember that murderous coward. They should also give the games ticket sales, merch and vendor profits to the orphaned child.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:47 am
They are having a moment of silence prior to the game, and they are NOT mentioning Belcher’s name. The Chiefs players are also setting up a fund for the baby to ensure she is taken care of. Hate the Chiefs, but they are handling this the right way… ESPN on the other hand, I couldn’t believe this morning when the had a RIP graphic for Belcher, the coward that took his girlfriend and his own life, but no graphic for the VICTIM of those cowardly acts.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 am
Dmac is ready to go, DA just doesn’t want to have to explain why Marcel Reece continues to be the starting back.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 am
Raiders projected at the 6th pick
Demontre Moore, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
Sam Montgomery, DE, LSU
Star Lotulelei, NT, Utah
Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M
Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama
Manti Te’o, ILB, Notre Dame
at 3rd
Kyle Long, OT, Oregon
Chase Thomas, DE/OLB, Stanford
Leon McFadden, CB, San Diego St. (after our luck with McFadden’s …. Pass.)
Logan Ryan, CB, Rutgers
Sean Porter, DE/OLB, Texas A&M
Kevin Reddick, ILB, N.Carolina
Bacarri Rambo, S, Alabama
Stepfan Taylor, RB, Stanford
4th (since the 5th is probably going to Seattle)
Alvin Bailey, OG, Arkansas
Marc Anthony, CB, Cal
Zeke Motta, S, Notre Dame
Everett Dawkins, DT, Florida St.
Travis Long, OLB, Washington St.
Kiko Alonzo, ILB, Oregon
Robert Alford, CB, SE Louisiana St.
Braxton Cave, C, Notre Dame
Xavier Nixon, OT, Florida
Josh Boyd, DT, Miss. St.
Margus Hunt, DE/DT, SMU
6-7th
Tyrann Mathieu, CB, LSU
Anthony Rashad White, DT, Michigan St.
Lavar Edwards, DE, LSU
Damion Stafford, S, Nebraska
Travis Bond, OG, N.Carolina
Nick Becton, OT, VaTech
Jeff Baca, OG, UCLA
Kenneth Tate, S-OLB, Maryland
Josh Johnson, CB, Purdue
Russell Shepherd, WR, LSU
Montori Hughes, DT, Tennessee-Martin
Michael Mauti, ILB, Penn St. (watch this one, could be a steal if over injuries)
Nick Clancy, ILB, Boston College
Anthony McCloud, DT, Florida St.
FA
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Eagles
Dashon Goldson, S, Niners (we can wish cant we?)
Dwayne Bowe, WR, Chiefs
Alan Branch, DT, Seahawks
Erin Henderson, ILB, Vikings
Bernard Scott, RB, Bengals
Sam Baker, OT, Falcons
Will Svitek, OT, Falcons
Evan Dietrich-Smith, OG, Pack (Mckenzie special)
Conner Barwin, OLB, texans – well, D.A. is fond of Texan players
Chris Ivory, RB, Saints
LaRod Stephens-Howling, RB/KR, Cardinals
Louis Delmas, S, Lions
Sammie Lee Hill, DT, Lions (i think Reggie Mac may take a look)
Cliff Avril, DE, Lions (injury issues)
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
For all those going to the game…be safe out there! There are cars being towed this morning out of puddles! Freeways are bad! Again….be SAFE out there and I will see you all on Thursday night!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
Good Morning Nation!
One thing that won’t change today…
Is my love for my Raiders!
Hope we show some heart today.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 am
Hey Miami.
What will you be happy with today?
Is it enough to just keep it close, or do you need a win?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
Chico,
Ansah is an athletic freak. I want players with potential and production. One OK year (5 sacks) is not enough to consider him in the 1st 2 rounds IMO. I would draft him in the 3rd but not over guys like DE Brandon Jenkins or RB Michael Dyer.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Are we to the point where we actually would view “keeping it close” at home to the Browns would be a “moral victory”?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
Sabah al khair habibi.
I want us to lose to get a higher pick.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
Bcz has left the bait. Let’s see who takes.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
That child should be raised without any mention of the father and say enough, the mother as well. Imagine knowing your dad killed your mom and then killed himself. That’s a head fauck right there. It should be handled as an adoption case.
Unimaginable.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
BTW, in case anyone didn’t notice, Mark Davis just usurped McKenzie by going directly to Dennis Allen and chewing him out. This likely means McKenzie will be gone after this year. Great. Mark is like dad after all.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 am
Draft RB Michael Dyer in the 4th!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 am
lol. Inside The Raiders Blog/Child Protective Services forum.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
Sullivan44 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
BTW, in case anyone didn’t notice, Mark Davis just usurped McKenzie by going directly to Dennis Allen and chewing him out. This likely means McKenzie will be gone after this year. Great. Mark is like dad after all.
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Hopefully.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 am
Raider O Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
Chico,
Ansah is an athletic freak. I want players with potential and production. One OK year (5 sacks) is not enough to consider him in the 1st 2 rounds IMO. I would draft him in the 3rd but not over guys like DE Brandon Jenkins or RB Michael Dyer.
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Is this the same Michael Dyer that was dismissed by Auburn and AK State, if so no thanks, I’ll take a flyer on him in the 5-7 rnd, same goes for Matheiu.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am
Fantasy football question. I need to pick one of the following for a flex spot:
- Denarius Moore
- Brandon Myers
- Or I could plug in Miles Austin, who is questionable, and if he can’t go I can put Martellus Bennett in.
I’m leaning toward one of the Raiders, and probably Moore, but I’m wondering if the weather conditions make Myers a better play and if the conditions make both guys unplayable. Any help?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
I would go with Myers. I expect a pretty conservative offense today.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 am
JAVON BELCHER grew up in a nice part of Long Island. Sure as heck wasn’t inner city culture that influenced his behavior.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
Sullivan44 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
BTW, in case anyone didn’t notice, Mark Davis just usurped McKenzie by going directly to Dennis Allen and chewing him out. This likely means McKenzie will be gone after this year. Great. Mark is like dad after all.
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Zero evidence that either Reggie and DA are going anywhere. Mark and DA TALKED on a plane ride. That’s it. No doubt they’re angry about a long of the same things, including underperforming players and incompetent assistants. Many changes are coming this season, but all at coordinator and position coach level.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Mark is acting like his dad, usurping a GM he just hired and micromanaging. No wonder we’re losing.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 am
Devilr8er Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 am
Raider O Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
Chico,
Ansah is an athletic freak. I want players with potential and production. One OK year (5 sacks) is not enough to consider him in the 1st 2 rounds IMO. I would draft him in the 3rd but not over guys like DE Brandon Jenkins or RB Michael Dyer.
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Is this the same Michael Dyer that was dismissed by Auburn and AK State, if so no thanks, I’ll take a flyer on him in the 5-7 rnd, same goes for Matheiu.
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Same one.
I would draft him in the 4th, but I rather draft him in the 3rd over DE Z Ansah.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 am
Chris … Meyers…
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 am
Raider O Says:
Ansah is an athletic freak. I want players with potential and production. One OK year (5 sacks) is not enough to consider him in the 1st 2 rounds IMO. I would draft him in the 3rd but not over guys like DE Brandon Jenkins or RB Michael Dyer.
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Agreed. Need to use lower draft picks on higher risk developmental players.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
Duck, when Mark hired McKenzie he said he didn’t want anything to do with football operations, hence hiring McKenzie. Now he’s chewing out coaches? Face it, he’s becoming dad, and it’s only the beginning. No wonder the team’s losing.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
A Browns employee killed himself yesterday at their facility too. What the hell is going on?
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/02/browns-employee-commits-suicide-at-team-facility/
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
The Playing field is below sea level…so it’s gonna be soggy ….
The TE and RBs should see lots of action today……Moores been having a hardtime when the field is dry staying on his feet….
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
Per PFT, a Browns employee hung himself in the team’s equipment shed yesterday morning. WHAT IS GOING ON???
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
ABP beat me to it, I see…
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 am
Unchecked mental illness. Reality t.v. tells us it’s ok to be crazy. You’re just “being yourself”. No intervention.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 am
Maybe this has something to do with the world ending in 3 weeks.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 am
One other issue is, according to ESPN, Browns give up 2nd-least points to TEs, and are 28th in giving up points to WRs. How bad are the conditions? I just read that there are like 40 MPH winds now (impossible to throw in) but they should die down to nothing by gametime.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
A Browns employee killed himself yesterday at their facility too. What the hell is going on?
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Fkn great. So they’ll have extra motivation today. Unbelievable.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
Sullivan44 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
Duck, when Mark hired McKenzie he said he didn’t want anything to do with football operations, hence hiring McKenzie. Now he’s chewing out coaches? Face it, he’s becoming dad, and it’s only the beginning. No wonder the team’s losing.
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I don’t think Mark chewing out coaches is the reason we are losing. The reason we are losing is because we have subpar players in every position (with the exception of little Wiz, Veldheer, Palmer, and Wheeler).
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
Thanks guys. I’ll prob go with Myers.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 am
It’s also worth noting that Goodson will probably start today, while “Beast” Campbell is again inactive for the Panthers…
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 am
And right wing politics aren’t helping, either. People upset about re-election of president, talking crazy, perhaps about killing people. Their republican friends enable them by saying “You have every right to be mad! Our country’s being ruined”, etc. Pushing unstable people right over the edge.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Goodson isn’t going to start. It will most likely be Reece.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 am
winning now will just confuse the issue.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 am
And…the person we’re relying on to draft our way out of this personnel mess has just been usurped by the owner, who hired him to run football operations yet just chewed out the head coach he hired.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Sullivan44 Says:
And right wing politics aren’t helping, either. People upset about re-election of president,
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I hate to make generalizations, but I would have a very difficult time believing that Belcher was angry about the election outcome.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
What is a GM?
What is the point of a GM if the owner is going to take an authoritative stance with people the GM has hired? The GM does the hiring, firing, and chiding of the people in the sector they supervise, which in the case of a NFL GM is football operations. McKenzie should be the only one chewing out anyone in the locker room. Mark should chew out Reggie and nobody else. If Reggie’s not getting the job done, you replace him with another GM.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
Sullivan44 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 am
And…the person we’re relying on to draft our way out of this personnel mess has just been usurped by the owner, who hired him to run football operations yet just chewed out the head coach he hired.
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Oh, for the love of…
Look. Owners and coaches do talk sometimes. It’s not forbidden. Whichever Rooney currently owns the Steelers probably talks to Mike Tomlin every now and then. Doesn’t mean their GM’s on the way out.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
Belcher was from a rich part of Long Island, Raiding Texas. There are a lot of black Republicans.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
Sullivan44 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 am
And…the person we’re relying on to draft our way out of this personnel mess has just been usurped by the owner, who hired him to run football operations yet just chewed out the head coach he hired.
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I think that is somewhat of an exaggeration. It seemed like Reggie was in on the conversation.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 am
When hiring Reggie, Mark said he didn’t want anything to do with football operations. Said he doesn’t understand it. That’s why he hired Reggie. Now he’s chewing out head coaches? I’m sensing a trend here.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 am
Sullivan44 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 am
And right wing politics aren’t helping, either. People upset about re-election of president, talking crazy, perhaps about killing people. Their republican friends enable them by saying “You have every right to be mad! Our country’s being ruined”, etc. Pushing unstable people right over the edge.
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If you are implying that Belcher commited Murder Suuicide for this reason, now that is a leap of judgement.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 am
please don’t feed the trolls..
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
troll drrrrr troll drrrr troll drrrr troll drrrr troll drrr.Thats how you idiots sound with that stupid troll bllsht!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Raider Prediction Board
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Week 1: Alex7: Chargers 27 Raiders 20 (22/14)
Week 2: R8eray: Dolphins 20 Raiders 13 (35/13)
Week 3: Plunketthead Raiders 30 Steelers 27 (34/31) R
Week 4: Amysincharge: Denver 48-7 (37-6)
Week 5: Klas Tjorborn: Falcons 35 Raiders 20 (23/20)
Week 6: qodrn: Raiders 27 Jags 20 (26/23 OT) R
Week 7: raidermarty/VaRaiderNation Raiders 27 –
Chiefs 17 (26/16) R
Week 8: No Winner.
Week 9: JONGRUDEN2012: Baltimore 47 Oakland 13
Week 10: GG: Saints 45 Raiders 17
Week 11: To be reconstructed when I feel better
Albert Bigelow Paine Says: Raiders 20 Bengals 17
backstageatapuppetshow Says: Cleveland 27 Oakland 13
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says: Browns 38 Raiders 24
dr_robert Says: raiders 23 browns 20
GG Says: If Pryor plays 3 or more qtrs
Raiders 27 Browns 24
If Leinart/Palmer play most of the game
Browns 34 Raiders 13
MiamiRaider78 Says: Raiders-27 Bengals-24
Raider E Says: Bengals – 31 Raiders – 9
RaiderRockstar Says: Raiders win 20-10
Reality: Raiders-27 Bengals-41
qodrn: Raiders 24 Other team 21
SilverNBlackPA Says: Raiders 33 – Bengals 27
Zymurge Says: Raiders 31, Browns 27
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