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Statement from Raiders on Chiefs tragedy

The Oakland Raiders are empathizing with the Chiefs organization. Our hearts are wounded by such an unimaginable tragedy in our NFL family. We will continue to pray for everyone involved.

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Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • MiamiRaider78

    GDog,

    I understand and I would love for our team to be competitive/contenders but the reality is, we are in for the long haul. I rather get as many picks as possible and go from there.

    I’m approaching this as, we will be bad for the next 2 years. Hopefully we all get surprised but i’m not setting myself up to be disappointed anymore.

  • The Mack

    I guarantee Seymour and kelly would start on many other teams in the league, D line isnt our weakness its lb and cb and fs…

  • mcfadden20.

    I wouldn’t be against Trading Palmer or letting him if A Luck or/and R Griffin were available, you guys think Indy would have let Manning go with this years draft class? LOL,

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Gdog Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:22 pm

    More importantly…our D is hot garbage. Palmer who is in his mid-thirties can get us a 1st or 2nd then it’s worth cashing in that chip because it can get you a 1st/2nd round talent to sure up the D. A beast NT or some good 3-4 pass-rushing OLBs or a good ILB. There’s far too much work to be done on rebuilding the D, and we COULD still make-do in 2013 with leinart as starter and Pryor as back-up, until Pryor is ready.
    >>>>

    Two wins TOPS, next season trading Palmer.

    If you are ok with that, knock yourself out.

    No team in the NFL trades their best player.

    I think we should just build an o-line around him like NE did with Brady.

    Or lets just be INSANE instead…

    ==========

    There’s no point carrying a 33 yo above-average but on the wane QB when your D is hot garbage. He’s not going to win you any games…as we are seeing this year! Palmer unable to do anything because our D is so bad we’re getting blown out repeatedly.

    Cash him in and get yourself a beast NT in the first round. That NT you can build a D around in the draft and FA. A guy like Leinart can run an efficient Knapp boring offense until Pryor is ready to take the reigns.

    A top 10 D in 2013, working towards a top 5 D in 2014, can be enough to allow you to win games with a game managing QB (Smith-Niners for example in 2011).

  • Try Some Reality

    What are we going to get for Palmer at this point? I think he’s more valuable to us than anything we’d get in a trade. Plus, who’s going to take on his salary?

    Palmer isn’t getting traded.

  • mcfadden20.

    You still try to go with good players or potential with every position, why trade Palmer for some stupid effed up QB, or draft guys with average potential ? we got Palmer who’s a good player at his position and doesn’t seem like a guy who’s just playing for money, i see no reason to get rid of him unless any other good QB is available or unless our D was magically going to become 00 Ravens D, 02 TB D, last years Whiners D, get my drift?

  • dr_robert

    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
    # dr_robert Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    I drank a lot if Jim beam and makers mark in the day. Also gray goose. Plus miller lite, Heineken, red stripe, rolling rock, moose head, corona, Guinness, fosters, and plenty of others.
    ____________

    At that rate, you could wipe out your liver before the world ends again, on the 21st lol

    Bourbon, vodka…guinness…fack!
    *************

    yeah, i used to drink a ton. born and raised in south bend, indiana. lots of Catholics. irish. polish. all kinds of immigrant-type family histories. we were heavy drinkers. play football. drink. fight. f#ck. that’s what u do there. midwestern city personified. but i don’t drink too much anymore. an occasional beer here and there. some wine with dinner.

    had a panic attack at a wedding when i was 26. f@cked with me pretty bad for awhile. pretty much went cold turkey and never looked back.

  • mcfadden20.

    I’m drinking Grant’s “the family reserve” Scotch Whiskey , anyone ever tried it?

  • Gdog

    MiamiRaider78 Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    GDog,

    I understand and I would love for our team to be competitive/contenders but the reality is, we are in for the long haul. I rather get as many picks as possible and go from there.

    I’m approaching this as, we will be bad for the next 2 years. Hopefully we all get surprised but i’m not setting myself up to be disappointed anymore.
    >>>>

    Not sure how any business could survive such a tactic. Hey… our product has stunk for the last ten years, but bear with us as we throw away the only part of it that doesn’t stink, so we can maybe get better in a few more years.

    Please… if the Raiders trade CP… they deserve empty stadiums for the next two years.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Cardinals would definitely be interested in Palmer. They had success with a previously ‘has-been’ vet QB in Warner (look at his years in New York and first year in Arizona). The Cards are being crucified with sub-par QB play, and they have a good D they know if they could just get a capable vet there they could challenge the NFC West.

    Cardinals would take Palmer for a 2nd + late round pick. Fight for more but cash that chip in.

  • dr_robert

    Mcfadden20. Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
    dr_robert Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm

    I drank a lot if Jim beam and makers mark in the day. Also gray goose. Plus miller lite, Heineken, red stripe, rolling rock, moose head, corona, Guinness, fosters, and plenty of others.


    I like Jim Beam and Makers mark, how do you like to drink your alcohol ? with mixers ? what kind? or without?
    *****************

    i alway drank my bourbon with a splash of coke and a lime. vodka with a twist on the rocks. i liked to taste the alcohol. didn’t really love mixers. u can go with vodka and cranberry. a splash will do. the cran dominates and u don’t taste the liquor as much. easier to handle if ur not used to strong drinks.

  • The Mack

    Cleveland D is underrated, they have a pretty good pass rush,while the raiders have no D cant stop the run nor pass while trent richardson is a grown man on the ground and Brandon weeden is maturing. The browns will win and they will win big.

  • dr_robert

    good scotch is cool. on the rocks for me. let it melt a little. heavy liquor breath. it’s like ur drinking it again when ur breathing.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    #812…yep.

    Browns 34
    Mailers 17

  • dr_robert

    The Mack Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:32 pm
    Cleveland D is underrated, they have a pretty good pass rush,while the raiders have no D cant stop the run nor pass while trent richardson is a grown man on the ground and Brandon weeden is maturing. The browns will win and they will win big.
    ***************

    the raiders are a schizo team. if they show up, they could stomp the browns easily. if they don’t, they could get embarrassed.

  • Gdog

    mcfadden20. Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm

    You still try to go with good players or potential with every position, why trade Palmer for some stupid effed up QB, or draft guys with average potential
    >>>

    Well no kidding… if we were sitting like Indy or Wash where we can get a for sure franchise QB to replace CP, it would be a no brainer… but give us a product of Matt Leinert or a QB that has never thrown a NFL pass next year to pick up WHAT EXACTLY?

    WHAT GAME CHANGER COULD WE PICK UP NEXT YEAR FOR CP?

    Good gawd…

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Two wins TOPS, next season trading Palmer.

    If you are ok with that, knock yourself out.

    No team in the NFL trades their best player.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$

    KC traded J Allen, and the Vikings traded R Moss. It’s not the norm, but it happened.

  • dr_robert

    the weather will be in play. raiders pass game could take a hit, but reece can get it done. it will be interesting to see how the defense responds with mcclain finally gone. gaither isn’t a stud but he’s capable of playing the position.

  • dr_robert

    if dmc plays, how many times do u think he will lose his footing?

  • Gdog

    GG Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Cardinals would definitely be interested in Palmer. They had success with a previously ‘has-been’ vet QB in Warner (look at his years in New York and first year in Arizona). The Cards are being crucified with sub-par QB play, and they have a good D they know if they could just get a capable vet there they could challenge the NFC West.

    Cardinals would take Palmer for a 2nd + late round pick. Fight for more but cash that chip in.
    >>>>

    Oh boy! A 2nd round will PUT US IN THE SB IN TWO YEARS!!

    Good gawd… the stupid… IT BURNS!!!

  • MiamiRaider78

    And who knows, maybe Palmer wants out?

    If I were him, i’d probably be sick and tired of some of thr situations he’s found himself in.

    I like Palmer, don’t get me wrong. I just don’t see us having enough resources to build around him to be able to go to the playoffs next year, especially after all that has unfolded this year.

    If the OC and DC stay, how will the players react?

    If we bring in new ones

    the players will have to deal with new coaches, new styles of teaching, new wrinkles etc

    Just saying.

    More coaching changes…

  • dr_robert

    i’m not sure who to go with on my fantasy team.

    bryce brown
    demarco murray
    mikel leshoure
    beanie wells
    marcel reece

    i dropped palmer last week and picked up kaepernick. i also have freeman. (so much for missdick thinking i don’t like black qb’s!)

  • mcfadden20.

    I think most guys don’t understand the rebuilding process, Rebuilding doesn’t mean you just sign young players for the sake of it , it means you’re going to take your lumps and go with young guys WITH POTENTIAL who would become great at their respective positions in 3-4 years , you don’t just give up on your good veteran players to just sign young average guys with no potential and call it a rebuilding year LOL

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Face reality. The Browns have been playing highly competitive football on three sides of the ball, for the last month or so, since the new owner Haslam took over. The raiders have been mailers. Any given sunday. But on form, the Browns will double our score this week, Richardson who is incredibly hard to tackle, is facing our D which cannot tackle or control gaps. Our pass D has made QBs like Gabbert look like Rodgers. Hartline has done mostly nothing except when he played us put up 100+ yards receiving. Same with many other opposing players, have been having career days against us. Law Firm last week for instance.

    We barely and very fortuitously beat the pathetic (at the time) Jaguars and the still pathetic Chiefs. Steelers win was an outlier. That’s WHO we are in 2012. That’s our identity.

  • The Mack

    Mc20 youll trade Dmac but you wouldn’t trade Palmer? Smh Id trade palmer before Id trade Dmac… Palmers 32, Dmac is 25 see the difference? And i dont care about injuries, just listen to mark Jackson talk about steph curry, if you’ve got a young star in the makin stick with him.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Cards
    Jets
    Browns
    Bills
    Jags

  • dr_robert

    my hunch is that we will hold onto palmer (we would take a drubbing in the media for giving up a 1st and 2nd for him and only getting back a 2nd and 5th, or whatever) and try to develop pryor. if his mechanics still look bad in the offseason/preseason, then we would pick a successor in next year’s draft. palmer gives us solidity at the most important position for a few more years.

    as for pryor, i would love it if he worked out. i just don’t think he’s a good passer. i’m looking forward to seeing him like everyone else. but i think his future is as a wr.

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    Gdog Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:38 pm

    GG Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm

    Cardinals would definitely be interested in Palmer. They had success with a previously ‘has-been’ vet QB in Warner (look at his years in New York and first year in Arizona). The Cards are being crucified with sub-par QB play, and they have a good D they know if they could just get a capable vet there they could challenge the NFC West.

    Cardinals would take Palmer for a 2nd + late round pick. Fight for more but cash that chip in.
    >>>>

    Oh boy! A 2nd round will PUT US IN THE SB IN TWO YEARS!!

    Good gawd… the stupid… IT BURNS!!!

    =======

    That you think a waning Palmer with 2 years max left in him is going to put us in the SB is stupid burning.

  • dr_robert

    The Mack Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
    Mc20 youll trade Dmac but you wouldn’t trade Palmer? Smh Id trade palmer before Id trade Dmac… Palmers 32, Dmac is 25 see the difference? And i dont care about injuries, just listen to mark Jackson talk about steph curry, if you’ve got a young star in the makin stick with him.
    ************

    dmc has missed a LOT of time with injuries. they add up. when he plays again this week or next, i think the difference between him and reece will be evident.

  • dr_robert

    palmer has 4 years left.

  • MiamiRaider78

    You guys see how ignoring the trolls works! lol

  • MiamiRaider78

    How many games has DMAC missed in total?

    Are we going on, almost a full year worth?

  • mcfadden20.

    dr_robert Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:33 pm

    good scotch is cool. on the rocks for me. let it melt a little. heavy liquor breath. it’s like ur drinking it again when ur breathing.

    HAHAHAH I know exactly what you mean

  • The Mack

    The raiders made the law firm look like jim brown, they’re going to make trent Richardson look like eric dckerson. E.D phone home!!! Lol hell they made doug Martin look like sweetness. Smh shame

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    And who knows, maybe Palmer wants out?

    If I were him, i’d probably be sick and tired of some of thr situations he’s found himself in.

    I like Palmer, don’t get me wrong. I just don’t see us having enough resources to build around him to be able to go to the playoffs next year, especially after all that has unfolded this year.
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    We have too many needs, I doubt we can fix them all by next season, so I’m OK with trading Palmer as long as we get a 1st or 2nd. I don’t think we can get a 1st, but I’m positive we can get a 2nd.
    Our needs:
    DE
    CB
    DT/ NT
    LB
    S
    C
    RG
    RT
    RB (even if DMC stays. Option year for him)
    TE
    Vet WR

  • mcfadden20.

    The Mack Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm

    Mc20 youll trade Dmac but you wouldn’t trade Palmer? Smh Id trade palmer before Id trade Dmac… Palmers 32, Dmac is 25 see the difference? And i dont care about injuries, just listen to mark Jackson talk about steph curry, if you’ve got a young star in the makin stick with him.

    ===

    I’m not against Dmac talent’s, I’m against his durability, his talents won’t do no good while sitting on the bench, I mean if he was going full on out and giving it his all for this team and still struggling i wouldn’t hate him, but since he’s just not even fighting for extra yards and gets injured on 1 on 1 tackles before mid-season every year, there’s no reason to believe he will eventually stay healthy next year

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    We also need:
    OC
    DC
    STs coach
    OL coach
    DL coach

  • dr_robert

    what does smh mean?

  • mcfadden20.

    The Mack Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:48 pm

    The raiders made the law firm look like jim brown, they’re going to make trent Richardson look like eric dckerson. E.D phone home!!! Lol hell they made doug Martin look like sweetness. Smh shame


    You know , i really think the Run D is not that bad, i think it’s just that when they struggle to stop passing , they sell out on stopping QBs and they pay for it on the ground , i have seen them stuff good running games a few times, but have not seen them do much against passing game

  • The Mack

    Still dont care, Dmacs reward outweighs his risk because in the right system and with the right coaching staff we’ve seen what hes capable of… damn near mvp worthy. Forget what you guys are talking about id keep him.

  • mcfadden20.

    Raider O Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:52 pm

    We also need:
    OC
    DC
    STs coach
    OL coach
    DL coach

    I would give DC a pass cuz he really didn’t had much to work with everything else i agree with you, btw did you mention you were arabic?

  • dr_robert

    getting mcclain off the field will do wonders.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Looks like I started Priest off on a race tirade back in #449 and that lead to who knows how many posts. Just want to set the record straight here. I have no issue with the color of a QB and that doesn’t impact how I assess their ability to succeed in the NFL. I do however believe that strong running QBs in college have stunted development in the mental part of their game because their escapability precludes having to spend the time in the pocket to make the extra reads.

    I do believe, from numerous different observations an dsources, that Pryor, as an individual (regardless of skin color) just ain’t all that bright. Deal with it. There are the stories of his extraordinarily low Wonderlik scores. There’s what I heard Gruden was saying about him being “Dumber than f*@k” off the record after doing his QB School show with him. There’s the fact that Plunkett felt the need to apologize for him having trouble learning the simple aspect of relaying the play from the speaker in his helmet to the huddle. There’s the tape I watched of his college play where he showed zero ability to make adjustments before the play and very rarely was able to find the non-primary target in his routes.

    I also believe that QBs that aren’t well above average in intelligence are capped in their potential in the NFL. It’s just too complex of a world that involves split second decisions by the QB, where getting them wrong affects all 11 guys on the field. Therefore I don’t want the Raiders invested much in developing a QB that has a very low liklihood for success. That’s a waste of coaching resources that could be spent on players with more upside so that when they do find the guy to groom for the 2014-2015 time frame he’ll have a more complete surrounding cast.

    I’d be saying the same thing about a QB with a genius level IQ but that lacked an NFL arm. If you don’t have the full set of tools the odds are stacked tremendously against your success, so I don’t want the team I follow wasting time on very low potential candidates.

    On the other hand, Pryor is an amazing athlete and I’m very impressed with his drive and desire to prove himself a success. I’d like to see that harnessed into a role where his decision making doesn’t affect 10 other guys on the field in the way that a QBs does.

  • mcfadden20.

    The Mack Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:54 pm

    Still dont care, Dmacs reward outweighs his risk because in the right system and with the right coaching staff we’ve seen what hes capable of… damn near mvp worthy. Forget what you guys are talking about id keep him.

    I understand where you’re coming from , but that’s ok if you already got a good team and can be okay paying 6 M to a injured prone player, but you can’t do that when your hands are tied because of salary cap and you got problems all over the team

  • dr_robert

    anyone notice how when i pointed out fangs and jokefoshow’s inability to dance, they left?

    must be working on their moves in the mirror.

  • MiamiRaider78

    Raider O,

    We have way too many holes to fill and we need to replace plenty of coaches. Palmer isn’t going to take this team to the playoffs anytime soon without any help.

  • The Mack

    @Doc Rob, smh means “shaking my head.” As in thats a shame

  • http://ggeden.blogspot.com/ GG

    All our acquisitions next year should be all Defense, and just the OL on offense.

    The front 7 on D is the one that needs to be prioritized because a dominant front 7 can hide and override the weaknesses at DB. But you can’t say the same in reverse.

    D: Monster NT, 2 ILBs, 2 OLBs (3-4 pass rushers), SS, 2 CB, FS (or just keep Huff). Houston/Bryant switch to 3-4 DEs.

    O: Monster C, a RT, and RG.

    There’s enough pieces at WR, RB, TE, QB to make a fist of it.

  • mcfadden20.

    1 thing i have still haven’t understood most of the Raider nation on , they all neglect the WR position, the game has moved on, this is a passing league and you need good receivers to beat teams now , i seriously don’t think there is even a #2 on the roster, I just don’t get why they think Moore or any of our receivers are #1 or are good enough to put up 30+ points a week

  • DJ Johnny

    The Mack Says:
    December 1st, 2012 at 10:48 pm
    The raiders made the law firm look like jim brown, they’re going to make trent Richardson look like eric dckerson. E.D phone home!!! Lol hell they made doug Martin look like sweetness. Smh shame

    The difference is # 55 won’t be playing.

    I will bet that you will see an improved defense simply by him not being there.

    That may sound crazy, but you’ll just have to see for yourselves.