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Final: Browns 20, Raiders 17

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, December 2nd, 2012 at 4:28 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders problems have more to do with their play than the calendar.

Following a winless November, the Raiders fell 20-10 Sunday to the Cleveland Browns at O.co Coliseum in a battle between teams with identical 3-8 records and both desperate for a win.

The Raiders, 3-9, looked to be putting themselves in position for a chance to steal the game in the fourth quarter until Carson Palmer threw a deep sideline pass to Juron Criner that was intercepted by Sheldon Brown at the 6-yard line.

Oakland trailed 13-10 at the time and was coming off its best offensive and defensive sequence of the game, scoring on a 64-yard lightning bolt from Palmer to Rod Streater and then forcing a Browns punt at the 45-yard line.

The Raiders maneuvered to the Cleveland 33-yard line and had a first-and-10 when Palmer took a shot at Criner.

But instead of putting the ball high and toward the outside where only Criner could get it, Palmer’s pass was underthrown and to the inside, making it an easy interception for Brown with 9:31 remaining.

The Browns, 4-8, then took the ball at their own 6, got out of trouble with a third-and-3 pass from Brandon Weeden to Josh Gordon for 11 yards to the 24, and later had a 22-yard hookup from Weeden to tight end Benjamin Watson to the 46-yard line to kill precious time off the clock.

The Browns eventually finished off a 94-yard, 14-play drive with a 3-yard run by Trent Richardson with 3:27 left in the fourth quarter and consumed 6:04 in elapsed time.

The Raiders scored on a 17-yard pass from Palmer to tight end Brandon Myers with one second remaining. It was Myers’ 14th reception, tying Tim Brown for the franchise record for catches in a game.

For the Browns, it snapped a 12-game road losing streak that began last Oct. 16 wit a 24-17 loss to the Raiders at the Coliseum.

The 64-yard touchdown pass to Streater came after defensive tackle Desmond Bryant got his hand on a 28-yard Phil Dawson field goal attempt, redirecting it to miss to the left.

Dawson had field goals of 41 and 35 yards. Oakland only score other than the Streater touchdown was a 51-yard field goal by Sebastian Janikowski in the second quarter.

The Raiders’ problems giving up big plays on defense continued unabated, as Weeden completed 25 of 36 passes for 364 yards and a 44-yard touchdown to Josh Gordon. He had two interceptions, one by Matt Giordano and the other by Phillip Adams.

Running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson each missed their fourth consecutive game after being declared inactive.

With a short week coming up and a Thursday night game at home against division-lading Denver, there is no guarantee they’ll be ready to play in the next game.

Quarterback Terrelle Pryor, who was active for the first time this season, did not get in the game for any specialty plays or packages.

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  • dorian gray

    i think this blog should go back to arguing over politics

  • devilr8er

    as usual draft talk in early December-smh

  • Just Fire Baby

    We lost to the more talented team today, sadly.

    I didn’t see any of their WR’s drop balls. Weeden threw some picks, but made his best throws when it counted most.

    Miles Burris would be on their PS. So would half our secondary.

  • fingers

    Most of this team should be working at a Car wash….

  • dorian gray

    broncos 97 // raiders – 4 … the nfl invents a rule during the game and raiders become 1st team to amass negative points ever .

  • ohioraider

    The Al Apologist in Chief, Father Pride & Poise, would have us believe that problems with the coaching, player morale, and leadership are new issues, and if you read between the lines what you get–unsurprisingly–is a justification for the player first atmosphere that Al enforced. Still the same ol finger pointing at the coaches, who were ALWAYS guilty of letting Al down. But clearly, what we have on our hands now is a continuation of long standing problems with lack of discipline and lack of accountability, not to mention the thin talent on the roster. Not that McKenzie gets off the hook for the debacle, but you got to remember that it took Al 13 years to win a Super Bowl.

  • THE BLACKHOLE

    fingers Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:04 pm

    Just saw the Thursday night game promo…..Raiders primed to upset the Division rivals the Broncos……………….. really?
    ——————————————————-
    It should have said Raiders primed to help their division rival in any way possible.

  • dorian gray

    call it the (suck) rule .. jim rome and other analysts argue that the newly implented suck rule is fair and the raiders dont argue at all .. dennis allen doesnt complain to the officials at all..

  • 0ak r8rs

    Fingers Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    Just saw the Thursday night game promo…..Raiders primed to upset the Division rivals the Broncos……………….. really?

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Yea. NFL network. Lousy scumbag self promoting pieces of shlt. Not a word from any of them about the raiders all year. We r the most irrelevant team in the league, even when we r .500. But they have the balls to say we r primed for anything? What a joke.

  • edward teach

    415.Purvisman/Intrepid// Full Disclosure Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
    edward teach Says:
    There are folks that will point to the INT and say that Carson lost the game for the Raiders on that one play.

    Trouble is, there were at least ten critical plays on offense alone where Palmer did his job just fine and somebody else gacked it up. Those mistakes cost the team first downs and points. ============================

    Typical, running to make excuses for your golden haired hero throwing yet another bone headed back breaking int. while trying to pad his career stats with TP suited up and ready to come save the day. DA and all of you have an agenda and it’s not hard to see what it is. Even that uncle ton Lorezo Neal gave the game ball to Myers! The trickinologists have all you cats snowed. I’m out. Peace.

    ********************************************************
    Carson Palmer is not “my golden haired hero”. That was a term coined by Mistic to discredit everyone that wasn’t clamoring for the Space Aged Offense.

    Your calling Lorenzo Neal an Uncle Tom for giving the game ball to a white player is all anyone needs to know about your motivation. The agenda is yours, not someone else’s.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    clearly what we have is a 3 win coach…

  • Raider Riff

    Fingers Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:04 pm
    Just saw the Thursday night game promo…..Raiders primed to upset the Division rivals the Broncos……………….. really?

    ——-

    A much better sell would be “Tune in and see exciting new QB Terrel Pryor start his first game”

    The NFL needs to step in and so does Mark, for the simple fact that if they dont, nobody is going to watch the game.

    But the reality is, with a short week, TP is not going to get any reps for this game.

    TP at least makes this game worth watching or going too.

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Got to meet Reggie and Mark today thanks to Amy hooking me up,..got lots of pics of me and Reggie,..me and Mark,..me and Morris Bradshaw,…friggin awesome day,…thought for sure we would win but didnt,..knew there was trouble when DMC once again refused to play, even when not hurt,..but before game I told Reggie and Mark both us fans give them all the support,…Reggie is cool,…Mark is too,…the players gotta go however,…all in all a great day,..meeting them two on the sideline was amazing,…Morris remembers me from the LA days,..Morris let my wife wear his SB ring and get some pics,..I will say this,..the losing hurts,…but I will tell you what I told Reggie to his face,…we have faith in you, we now know the teams in good hands,…Reggie is a Raider and this losing will not last….long live the Nation.

  • Just Fire Baby

    DA and Knapp may need to go, you certinly can’t argue they need to stay.

    But if we don’t surround the next guy with more talent and a better QB, he isn’t going to stand much of a chance either.

    2012 November/December Oakland Raiders = Least talented Raiders squad EVER

  • Reggiehater

    I like hoe the transvestite says we have to go back to work tomarro and 5 min. later takes aleave of absence.

  • fingers

    This team doesn’t have enough talent to Make a Peanut Butter Sandwich …

  • Scourge

    If Knappies is running the team for the duration of DA’s leave of absence, I wonder what purpose Saunders serves? Is Saunders Mark’s spy? Anyone’s guess?

  • Raider Riff

    Ohioraider Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    The Al Apologist in Chief, Father Pride & Poise, would have us believe that problems with the coaching, player morale, and leadership are new issues, and if you read between the lines what you get–unsurprisingly–is a justification for the player first atmosphere that Al enforced. Still the same ol finger pointing at the coaches, who were ALWAYS guilty of letting Al down. But clearly, what we have on our hands now is a continuation of long standing problems with lack of discipline and lack of accountability, not to mention the thin talent on the roster. Not that McKenzie gets off the hook for the debacle, but you got to remember that it took Al 13 years to win a Super Bowl.

    ————-

    A decade of wasted 1st rd picks will do that to any franchise.

    Thanks Al.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:09 pm
    clearly what we have is a 3 win coach…
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Maybe 4 if we are lucky.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    a season of 3 wins will black out oakland again….thanks reggie.

  • Reggiehater

    I will say this,..the losing hurts,…but I will tell you what I told Reggie to his face,…we have faith in you, we now know ==================================================== Hey,who the fk is we? speak for yourself jacka$$.90% of us do not have faith in that spear chucker.You lied to his face is what you did.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Al Saunders is a 65 year old consultant.

    You probably ask him to review some film on a play, and he gets back to you after a 3 hour lunch.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    if we are really lucky…i dont think DA can beat the chefs…

  • MarcusAllen

    Just so we’re clear.

    The staff thinks the players r bums but wouldn’t say it cause then they won’t play right.
    The players won’t say what they really think cause there isn’t an Al scholarship anymore. But the guys are working just need consistency we were told.

    Well we got consistency – in spades!!

    Just like hue brought in his guys TJ and Palmer, this staff brought in their guys an we got Spencer, Bartell and Briesel.

    Sometimes the more things change the more they stay the same.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    whats wrong with 3 hour lunches?

  • JONGRUDEN2013

    Reggie hater,…you arent one of us,..you simply dont matter.

  • fingers

    Nothing wrong with 3 hour lunches….. We just watched out football team take one

  • Al_is_theraiders

    lol…true that.

  • THE BLACKHOLE

    Trades after the season:
    Palmer for late 1st or 2 rounder
    Mcfadden for 2nd or 3rd
    DHB for 4th
    Rolando for 7th
    Kelly,Shaunessy for 6th

  • http://www.RAIDERS.com Back-n-Black

    Things I learned from today’s game…

    Dennis Allen doesn’t drop passes, but DHB, Moore, and others SURE DO!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t throw INTs, but Palmer SURE DOES!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t get blown off the line of scrimmage, but the Offensive Line SURE DOES!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t leave players uncovered, miss tackles, get personal fouls, and various other stupid sh!t, but the Defense SURE DOES!

    This team is a train wreck of 3rd string talent… horrible.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    im gonna leave and change my handle…lol…pathetic.

  • Reggiehater

    427.mcfadden20. Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
    Well have fun guys, I’m out, later Al_the_troll

    Please stay out,you are dumber then a sack of hammers.

  • tuckrulefool

    I’m confused.

    People here are MAD after this loss.

    Yet the same people want D(0)A gone.

    If that’s what you want then you MUST WANT more short term humiliation like this.

    As a bonus, total tankage (which we are only midway through) WILL yield better picks in April.

    Continuing this dumpster-fire caliber of play WILL exacerbate the coaching AND player exodus.

    Win-Win-Win

    You WANT to see 3-13.

    Here’s to a successful 9-game IMPLOSION…

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    Back-N-Black Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    Things I learned from today’s game…

    Dennis Allen doesn’t drop passes, but DHB, Moore, and others SURE DO!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t throw INTs, but Palmer SURE DOES!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t get blown off the line of scrimmage, but the Offensive Line SURE DOES!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t leave players uncovered, miss tackles, get personal fouls, and various other stupid sh!t, but the Defense SURE DOES!

    This team is a train wreck of 3rd string talent… horrible.
    ——————————–
    He is the Head Coach though, ne?

  • Reggiehater

    476.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
    Reggie hater,…you arent one of us,..you simply dont matter.

    Not what your daughter says.

  • THE BLACKHOLE

    Reggiehater Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    I will say this,..the losing hurts,…but I will tell you what I told Reggie to his face,…we have faith in you, we now know ==================================================== Hey,who the fk is we? speak for yourself jacka$$.90% of us do not have faith in that spear chucker.You lied to his face is what you did.
    ——————————————————-
    RACIST!

  • Theplank

    Loooooong time reader here, first time poster. But I’ve been around, behind the curtain to know a lot of you just from observing the comments. I have to say there’s a few of you who give football fans a bad name.(yes, I few of you are great Raider fans too, but you know who you are)For those of you idiots, not only do you know d1ck about football, but to blame the QB and OC for losing this game is simply ludicrous. Have you seen our defense? Have you seen players like T.Kelly, Shonasty and others standing around piles doing nothing? Have you seen who CP3 is throwing to? Have you seen our O-line? Did you watch any of the games so far? Or are you so caught up in yourselves? This team from top to bottom is atrocious. The head coach, his staff, have quite simply been outdone week in and week out. Interim head coaches have faired better results. The entire team is to blame. All of them. This team lacks NFL starting talent at every position on the roster aside from QB.(No, Pryor is not a starter dummy!) The exceptions CP3, Houston, Wheeler, Burris, Myers, Reece, Veldheer deserve to be here next year. The young guys from the most recent draft should be given a shot too. All the others can walk the plank! This team is a disgrace to the greatest fan base in the world! How can we be expected to support this team!?! If I keep watching them like this, soon they’ll be my least liked team, and I’ll be routing for them to jump ship to LA, so I can jump ship too! But if they do stay in the bay, they have got to fix this, and it starts from the top, and works right on down! There are no excuses!

  • Reggiehater

    DA the 3rd NFL suicide in three days.I hope!

  • Just Fire Baby

    I thought the O-line played fairly well today. Not great, but not terrible.

    They opened up enough holes to let our pathetic RB core rush for some decent yardage and average. Palmer had enough time to throw most plays.

    I like Stewart as maybe a #2 RB, but pretty sad when he represents your “big-play” RB.

  • Al_is_theraiders

    Brandon Weeden was 25-of-36 for 364 yards in the game.

    how about this new modern defensive scheme….zone defense at its best.

  • Just Fire Baby

    You WANT to see 3-13.

    Here’s to a successful 9-game IMPLOSION…

    *************************

    That ought to push season ticket sales for 2013. Will do wonders to sell jobs to new coaches and FA’s.

    And no doubt will get the city to move on building a stadium.

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    彼ははい、ヘッドコーチである
    Kare wa hai, heddokōchidearu

  • Reggiehater

    486.THE BLACKHOLE Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
    Reggiehater Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    I will say this,..the losing hurts,…but I will tell you what I told Reggie to his face,…we have faith in you, we now know ==================================================== Hey,who the fk is we? speak for yourself jacka$$.90% of us do not have faith in that spear chucker.You lied to his face is what you did.
    ——————————————————-
    RACIST!

    Na,i hate this whole staff equally.You forgot the other gay name in here TROLL.

  • sirblitzalot

    Once again, Carson Palmer reminds me of Charlie Brown (the peanuts character)! Once we have the momentum bam! another unforced interception by Palmer. That is the 3rd game he has personally has literally thrown away this year! He is supposed to be the “leader”, the “captain”, the “boss”, the CEO! He does lead but unfortunately he takes the path of least resistance-a loss! End of this draft pick-sucking-experiment. Palmer is a loser and losing follows him wherever he goes. Dump him and move along. Unfortunately,Reggie won’t be able to trade him for a 4th round draft pick!

  • THE BLACKHOLE

    I’m happy we have become a “modern” team like the Chiefs and Jaguars and not have an out of date owner like the Bengals.

  • Reggiehater

    racist racist racist troll troll troll racist troll troll racist…. ALL gay gay gay.

  • 0ak r8rs

    Raider Riff Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    Ohioraider Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    The Al Apologist in Chief, Father Pride & Poise, would have us believe that problems with the coaching, player morale, and leadership are new issues, and if you read between the lines what you get–unsurprisingly–is a justification for the player first atmosphere that Al enforced. Still the same ol finger pointing at the coaches, who were ALWAYS guilty of letting Al down. But clearly, what we have on our hands now is a continuation of long standing problems with lack of discipline and lack of accountability, not to mention the thin talent on the roster. Not that McKenzie gets off the hook for the debacle, but you got to remember that it took Al 13 years to win a Super Bowl.

    ————-

    A decade of wasted 1st rd picks will do that to any franchise.

    Thanks Al.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    Lets leave the “1st rd” out of it. A DECADE of wasted picks. Who do we have from the last 10 years? Lets start w janikowski and lechler. Nvm that we burned a 1st and 4th on those guys, when nobody burns picks on kickers and punters like that, but at least they panned out. Can’t argue that. But who else? Houston comes to mind, ok for a second a guess. Certainly better than our first that year, suspendo. Branch? Pass. Huff? Not as a number 1, might consider him a good 3rd or 4th rounder. Veldheer? Yea. McFadden? No way, maybe if he could stay healthy, but no. Reece? Did we even draft him? Probably, not sure tho. To lazy to look it up. Wiz? Last year yea. This year? Looking like yet another in a long line of raider busts. Bey? Nope. Not a number 1. Moore? Last year for sure, this year doesn’t even look like he was worth a 4th. Ford? Maybe, but maybe the best thing that could have happened to him was getting hurt.

    So we have 3 receivers (4 if you count Myers), two lineman (pretty sure we didn’t draft Barnes or Carlisle, I could be wrong about one of them), 3 defensive lineman (only one any good), 2 linebackers (one may be good), 2 running backs and 2 secondary on our current team. So, out of 24 possible starters (including punter and kicker, which is giving Al a gift), we have 15 homegrown. If all 15 out of that 24 were awesome, that MIGHT be an acceptable number. But they aren’t. And it isn’t.

    And btw, I think the jury is still out on all of 2012 as well. It would be nice to be able to say at least 1 or 2 were definite keepers by this point in the season. Not sure you can say that. So the trend continues perhaps.

  • Theplank

    Devilr8er Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
    RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
    You dont build the team around a 33yr old average qb. The guy is a garbage time all star.
    ______________________________________________________

    BINGO!!! Would have rather bombed last year with Boller, that trade set (1st and 2nd) set us back a year or two.

    ——————-

    Right, and those picks previously wasted on Wiz 2.0, Romac, DHB, DMAC, Jasyrup, MM34, Zach Miller, Fabian Washington, Routt, Gallery and so on? How long has that set us back? Many of these guys are gone, and the rest will follow suit

  • http://www.RAIDERS.com Back-n-Black

    KoolKell Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    Back-N-Black Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    Things I learned from today’s game…

    Dennis Allen doesn’t drop passes, but DHB, Moore, and others SURE DO!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t throw INTs, but Palmer SURE DOES!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t get blown off the line of scrimmage, but the Offensive Line SURE DOES!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t leave players uncovered, miss tackles, get personal fouls, and various other stupid sh!t, but the Defense SURE DOES!

    This team is a train wreck of 3rd string talent… horrible.
    ——————————–
    He is the Head Coach though, ne?
    ….

    This is the thinking that got Al in trouble. If they have height and speed then Head Coach should be able to make them winners…

    Only problem… NO COACH IN THE WORLD CAN TURN TURDS INTO NFL CALIBER FOOTBALL PLAYERS!

    Dennis Allen may not be great(I wouldn’t know because its not fair to judge him based on the hot, steamy pile of mess he got when he took this job) but until there is some real talent on this team no coach will win.

    And don’t tell me sh!t about Hue… 8-8 is not winning either.

  • Reggiehater

    Now the report is KRAPP is in charge of this team until the Denver game. New NFL record for worse loss in NFL history comeing up!!