Final: Browns 20, Raiders 17


The Raiders problems have more to do with their play than the calendar.

Following a winless November, the Raiders fell 20-10 Sunday to the Cleveland Browns at O.co Coliseum in a battle between teams with identical 3-8 records and both desperate for a win.

The Raiders, 3-9, looked to be putting themselves in position for a chance to steal the game in the fourth quarter until Carson Palmer threw a deep sideline pass to Juron Criner that was intercepted by Sheldon Brown at the 6-yard line.

Oakland trailed 13-10 at the time and was coming off its best offensive and defensive sequence of the game, scoring on a 64-yard lightning bolt from Palmer to Rod Streater and then forcing a Browns punt at the 45-yard line.

The Raiders maneuvered to the Cleveland 33-yard line and had a first-and-10 when Palmer took a shot at Criner.

But instead of putting the ball high and toward the outside where only Criner could get it, Palmer’s pass was underthrown and to the inside, making it an easy interception for Brown with 9:31 remaining.

The Browns, 4-8, then took the ball at their own 6, got out of trouble with a third-and-3 pass from Brandon Weeden to Josh Gordon for 11 yards to the 24, and later had a 22-yard hookup from Weeden to tight end Benjamin Watson to the 46-yard line to kill precious time off the clock.

The Browns eventually finished off a 94-yard, 14-play drive with a 3-yard run by Trent Richardson with 3:27 left in the fourth quarter and consumed 6:04 in elapsed time.

The Raiders scored on a 17-yard pass from Palmer to tight end Brandon Myers with one second remaining. It was Myers’ 14th reception, tying Tim Brown for the franchise record for catches in a game.

For the Browns, it snapped a 12-game road losing streak that began last Oct. 16 wit a 24-17 loss to the Raiders at the Coliseum.

The 64-yard touchdown pass to Streater came after defensive tackle Desmond Bryant got his hand on a 28-yard Phil Dawson field goal attempt, redirecting it to miss to the left.

Dawson had field goals of 41 and 35 yards. Oakland only score other than the Streater touchdown was a 51-yard field goal by Sebastian Janikowski in the second quarter.

The Raiders’ problems giving up big plays on defense continued unabated, as Weeden completed 25 of 36 passes for 364 yards and a 44-yard touchdown to Josh Gordon. He had two interceptions, one by Matt Giordano and the other by Phillip Adams.

Running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson each missed their fourth consecutive game after being declared inactive.

With a short week coming up and a Thursday night game at home against division-lading Denver, there is no guarantee they’ll be ready to play in the next game.

Quarterback Terrelle Pryor, who was active for the first time this season, did not get in the game for any specialty plays or packages.


Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • edward teach

    484.KoolKell Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
    Back-N-Black Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    Things I learned from today’s game…

    Dennis Allen doesn’t drop passes, but DHB, Moore, and others SURE DO!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t throw INTs, but Palmer SURE DOES!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t get blown off the line of scrimmage, but the Offensive Line SURE DOES!

    Dennis Allen doesn’t leave players uncovered, miss tackles, get personal fouls, and various other stupid sh!t, but the Defense SURE DOES!

    This team is a train wreck of 3rd string talent… horrible.
    He is the Head Coach though, ne?


    He is, and look for him to have a large hand in helping McKenzie identify the players that want to be here and do actually contribute and do their jobs, and clearing out the rest to replace them with players that actually care about what they’re doing out there and can execute a game plan.

  • nycraider

    weeden throw for 350 yards, really….

  • Theplank

    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
    Trades after the season:
    Palmer for late 1st or 2 rounder
    Mcfadden for 2nd or 3rd
    DHB for 4th
    Rolando for 7th
    Kelly,Shaunessy for 6th
    lolz, in Madden?

  • Duffman

    I am tired of hearing crap about Palmer. The guy has played great. How many dropped passes or incorrect routes were there today? I am also tired of hearing the so called experts, King, Gannon etc suggest that the Raiders should move on without out him and go with a young guy. If you have a starting QB like Palmer, you can turn anything around in one year. Brady can’t move that well and he wins. We haven’t had a legit QB like Palmer since Jim Plunket.

    Let’s face it the offense is ridiculous and predictable. And to make matters worse the coaching staff does not use the young talent. Try using split backs with Reece and McFadden. They are a lot better than C. Davis and Mark VanEagan. Flex one out run or pass based on defense. David Ausberry needs to play, maybe a two tight end look. Misdirection with receivers running and lining up in the backfield and playing screens. Power running with pulling lineman. The coaches do not want to play the fastest player on the team – T. Jones because of fumbling, let him fumble first then complain. I do like Stewart and he should remain. He is young and has good ball security, unlike Goodson.

    The defense is plain bad. They need to move the ends around. Andre Carter is done. Bring on Crawford. They need a DT and a pass rusher at LB or DE. They are going to have to spend the money on a free safety. If they keep Wheeler they will need at least two more special LBs. Burris is good and Bartell is decent. Hanson is also good and needs to be resigned. It is time to part ways with Huff, Giradonno. Adams has looked good especially in bump-and-run, on the rare occasion that it is used.

    Bottom Line we need Wade Phillips or a clone on D and Gruden back at the helm. But please it is time we appreciate Carson Palmer, I was a doubter last year, but he has been good on a team with no real number one receiver.

  • Reggiehater

    “SHEEEEEEET. I’S gonna’s win’s wiff defense.SHEEEEEEEET”

  • nycraider

    does anyone know Palmers qb rating in the first quarter this year

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    Al_is_theraiders Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
    Brandon Weeden was 25-of-36 for 364 yards in the game.

    how about this new modern defensive scheme….zone defense at its best.



  • Reggiehater

    495.THE BLACKHOLE Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
    I’m happy we have become a “modern” team like the Chiefs and Jaguars and not have an out of date owner like the Bengals.

    Are you happy about being an oranga loveing retard?

  • morilla

    0ak R8rs Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
    Raider Riff Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
    Ohioraider Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
    The Al Apologist in Chief, Father Pride & Poise, would have us believe that problems with the coaching, player morale, and leadership are new issues, and if you read between the lines what you get–unsurprisingly–is a justification for the player first atmosphere that Al enforced. Still the same ol finger pointing at the coaches, who were ALWAYS guilty of letting Al down. But clearly, what we have on our hands now is a continuation of long standing problems with lack of discipline and lack of accountability, not to mention the thin talent on the roster. Not that McKenzie gets off the hook for the debacle, but you got to remember that it took Al 13 years to win a Super Bowl.


    A decade of wasted 1st rd picks will do that to any franchise.

    Thanks Al.


    Lets leave the “1st rd” out of it. A DECADE of wasted picks. Who do we have from the last 10 years? Lets start w janikowski and lechler. Nvm that we burned a 1st and 4th on those guys, when nobody burns picks on kickers and punters like that, but at least they panned out. Can’t argue that. But who else? Houston comes to mind, ok for a second a guess. Certainly better than our first that year, suspendo. Branch? Pass. Huff? Not as a number 1, might consider him a good 3rd or 4th rounder. Veldheer? Yea. McFadden? No way, maybe if he could stay healthy, but no. Reece? Did we even draft him? Probably, not sure tho. To lazy to look it up. Wiz? Last year yea. This year? Looking like yet another in a long line of raider busts. Bey? Nope. Not a number 1. Moore? Last year for sure, this year doesn’t even look like he was worth a 4th. Ford? Maybe, but maybe the best thing that could have happened to him was getting hurt.

    So we have 3 receivers (4 if you count Myers), two lineman (pretty sure we didn’t draft Barnes or Carlisle, I could be wrong about one of them), 3 defensive lineman (only one any good), 2 linebackers (one may be good), 2 running backs and 2 secondary on our current team. So, out of 24 possible starters (including punter and kicker, which is giving Al a gift), we have 15 homegrown. If all 15 out of that 24 were awesome, that MIGHT be an acceptable number. But they aren’t. And it isn’t.

    And btw, I think the jury is still out on all of 2012 as well. It would be nice to be able to say at least 1 or 2 were definite keepers by this point in the season. Not sure you can say that. So the trend continues perhaps.

    Everything said in this thread is spot on. Overall, our players suck.

  • Charlie

    This is obviously a lousy feeling but as RaiderRiff said; This is what you get with 10 years of horrible first and second round picks with very little focus on the line of scrimmage.

    The good news is we continue to clean out the garbage (McClain will be gone after the season) and Reggie will build the team through the draft STARTING WITH BOTH LINES.

    Yes we need help elsewhere but those of you old enough remember that the Raiders were built with high draft picks for the lines. Guys like 11th round Marv Hubbard simply pounded it behind first rounder Gene Upsahw and the other team did not get the ball.The other team usually tried to play catch up and we had guys like Keating and Davidson that could actually stop the run AND rush the passer.

    Many keep saying that the game has changed. Tell that to Notre Dame.Win on the lines and you will win the game.

  • sirblitzalot

    I am a season ticket holder. Today’s tickets are still in the packet they came in. Nobody was interested so there they sit, wasted $228.00. I am NOT going to purchase season tickets until this team can prove that they can compete for the division! Does anybody want to buy the Denver slaughtering Raiders tickets? I will let you know!

  • severeraiderz

    Tom Cable was an O-line coach; the On-line played good to great most of his tenure

    Hue Jackson was an offensive coach; the offense played great 85% of the time

    Dennis Allen is a defensive coach; the defense is among the worst in the league. Most points given up in a 4 game span since ’67

  • tuckrulefool

    ust Fire Baby Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:26 pm

    You WANT to see 3-13.

    Here’s to a successful 9-game IMPLOSION…


    That ought to push season ticket sales for 2013. Will do wonders to sell jobs to new coaches and FA’s.

    And no doubt will get the city to move on building a stadium.


    I live in Miami so I guess I should be more sensitive to the local stadium issue. To me I will admit, Oakland and LA are both ~2500mi away.

    To your other points though, I don’t see it that way. Al is dead. We now pay the going price for coaches. Only 32 jobs there last time I checked. We have no issue here. Ditto for F/A. Players follow the $, nothing more or less. That said, I’d MUCH prefer see us rely more on our picks and less and less on crapshoot “free” (ha) agents. Rarely works. Best teams (GB, NYG,NE) build through the draft and LOW dollar street players. With the exception of Brees and a few select others, BIG dollar F/A are usually a big mistake. Then again, as a Raider fan I’m sure I don’t need to tell you about that…

    Personally, I hope we trade what we can in January and February, and then trade down when it makes sense for the draft.

    Sadly, I’ve seen all I need from DOA. I as hopeful in Septemeber. No more. He wasnt ready. Plain and simple. Shanahan 1989-esque. If they go 3-13 we don’t waste ANOTHER year since I really don’t think he is the answer.

    9 game IMPLOSION will help move things along in that capacity and strengthen our 2013 draft.

    Plus it will soften the pain of each loss we WILL be faced to endure.

    Broncos will put up a 60 burger in 4 days. No doubt about it so get ready for it now.

  • Reggiehater

    HUE AND AL 8-8 REGGIE AND DA 3-9. thank you for playing.DRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRip

  • DJ Johnny

    Gannon hates the Raiders. It’s well documented. One thing he holds dear is having some Raider records. That’s why he’s so keen on getting Palmer out.

    Believe me, it isn’t about concern for the Raiders and their future.

    Peter King? He’s hated Palmer from Cincinnati days.

    All the geniuses in here ignore a well rested defense giving up a 97 yd. drive in clutch time to the Cleveland freaking Browns.

    Yes. Bad pick from Palmer, but people are blind to ignore the choke job from the defense.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Plank don’t even consider putting Wisniewski in with those scrubs; he was all rookie team, and has been solid (not spectacular), his first year and at center, with our regurgetated zone blocking scheme.

  • Theplank

    RaiderRetribution Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
    Plank don’t even consider putting Wisniewski in with those scrubs; he was all rookie team, and has been solid (not spectacular), his first year and at center, with our regurgetated zone blocking scheme.
    I could agree there easily, but he is by no means a world beater. I would prefer him at gaurd, not at center. I think Satele was just as good if not better.

  • devilr8er

    Raiders need an overhaul and picks,ala the Cowboys when they traded Hershell Walker accumulated picks and maded their SB run

  • tuckrulefool

    exactly…see post 513

    # devilr8er Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:52 pm

    Raiders need an overhaul and picks,ala the Cowboys when they traded Hershell Walker accumulated picks and maded their SB run