Palmer quick to take blame; this time it’s warranted
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, December 2nd, 2012 at 6:27 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer is quick to take blame for most anything, even when it’s obvious that he’s not at fault.
On Sunday, there was no mistaking that Palmer deserved the lion’s share of the blame for the Raiders losing to the Cleveland Browns 20-17 at the rain-soaked Coliseum.
A poorly thrown pass by Palmer early in the fourth quarter ended a promising Raiders drive and kick-started a game-clinching touchdown drive by the Browns.
“We can’t turn the ball over like that,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “We’ve got all the momentum, we’re moving the ball, and we can’t have that self-inflicted wound right there. If it’s not there, we’ve got to get rid of it, but we can’t make that mistake.”
The Raiders were riding a huge wave of momentum on the heels of a blocked field-goal attempt, a 64-yard touchdown from Palmer to wide receiver Rod Streater and forcing the Browns to punt on their ensuing possession.
Palmer completed four of six passes in navigating the Raiders from their own 27-yard line to the Browns 33. The fourth completion gave the Raiders a first down and put them in Sebastian Janikowski’s field-goal range.
Yet, on a first-down play, Palmer lofted a pass for rookie receiver Juron Criner down the left sideline, with cornerback Sheldon Brown running step for step with Criner.
By the time Criner turned for the ball, Brown was in position to make the easy catch.
“I was trying to take a shot there, go for the touchdown quickly,” Palmer said, “and just didn’t put the ball in the right spot, didn’t give Juron a chance to make a play on the ball.”
That’s a play that Palmer loves to gamble on, with single coverage on the outside, having confidence in his ability to put the ball in a spot where his receiver can make a play on the ball.
It worked on the touchdown to Streater. On the pass to Criner, Palmer just didn’t get enough on the ball. Coaches stress making sure that the pass is long enough to where only the receiver can catch the ball.
Streater said he and the other receivers enjoy the fact that Palmer has the confidence in them to make plays in single coverage, even if they aren’t wide open.
“He has a lot of faith in us,” Streater said. “It feels good that he believes in us like that. We just want to come down with every ball and continue to keep that confidence in him.”
Palmer targeted Brown numerous times Sunday. In the end, it was Brown who got the better of the toe-to-toe battle.
“Carson threw a few deep balls at me today,” Brown said. “You would have to talk to him and see what he saw on tape last week when he was preparing.
“On that particular play, I had an opportunity to cover the short field. I lined up in press like I was going to stay down tight. Criner released outside, I bailed out of there. And at that point I saw Carson throwing the ball and I just became the receiver and caught it.”
Overall, Palmer completed 34 of 54 passes for 351 yards and two touchdowns. Unfortunately for him and the Raiders, the pass that stood out among the 54 was the one that Brown intercepted.
Palmer is on pace to pass for 4,709 yards, which would break Rich Gannon’s franchise record for most passing yards in a single season.
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December 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Brandon Weeden was 25-of-36 for 364 yards in the game.
how about this new modern defensive scheme….zone defense at its best.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
You WANT to see 3-13.
Here’s to a successful 9-game IMPLOSION…
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That ought to push season ticket sales for 2013. Will do wonders to sell jobs to new coaches and FA’s.
And no doubt will get the city to move on building a stadium
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
cant praise palmer for the td to streater than beat him up on the throw to criner….
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
I honestly do not care anymore.
We all knew this season was over on Sept. 30 after that 37-6 loss to the Donks sent us to 1-3. You were kidding yourself if you thought we would pull out of it.
All I want to see know is the coaching staff be wiped clean and someone else brought in. McKenzie is certainly not off to any kind of promising start, and it’s hard to envision a guy who sounds borderline illiterate taking us very far. But he didn’t have much leeway in his first year on the player side. Coaching selection has been a disaster though and signings like Brisiel aren’t helping. I do not care if he stays or goes at this point.
In all seriousness though I wish the best to DA and his family. I’m sure he’s a nice, good man. As much as I and many others lay on him as coach of the Raiders, it’s not meant to be personal.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Knapp f*cked up this game by not running the ball. 5.1 YPC!
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Palmer is a classic Darryl Lamonica bomber. don’t ask him to dink & dunk, please.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
No Albert,..its all on the D,…all of it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Hey if DA can throw the players under the bus, the least Palmer can do is toss knapp under there.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Hey man I got to kick it with Reggie and Mark on the sidelines,..and Morris,…you think I care we are 3-9 instead of 4-8?.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Reggiehater Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
DA the 3rd NFL suicide in three days.I hope!
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Ouch!
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Carson Palmer the garbage time superstar about to pass Rich Gannon with a pile of yards that aren’t worth their weight in wins? DO TELL.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Palmer is a classic Darryl Lamonica bomber. don’t ask him to dink & dunk, please.
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Bingo. Another example of mis use of player personnel by knapp. It’s inappropriate.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Gotta stick with the Run longer….. Especially when it’s working….
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
cant praise palmer for the td to streater than beat him up on the throw to criner….
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That’s a great point, and he had so many drops today… I can’t imagine what his stats would look like with competent receivers. WTH happened to Moore?
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Tricky70390 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Carson Palmer the garbage time superstar about to pass Rich Gannon with a pile of yards that aren’t worth their weight in wins? DO TELL.
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How can you say that when he had like, what, SEVEN dropped balls tonight?
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:41 pm
This is obviously a lousy feeling but as RaiderRiff said; This is what you get with 10 years of horrible first and second round picks with very little focus on the line of scrimmage.
The good news is we continue to clean out the garbage (McClain will be gone after the season) and Reggie will build the team through the draft STARTING WITH BOTH LINES.
Yes we need help elsewhere but those of you old enough remember that the Raiders were built with high draft picks for the lines. Guys like 11th round Marv Hubbard simply pounded it behind first rounder Gene Upsahw and the other team did not get the ball.The other team usually tried to play catch up and we had guys like Keating and Davidson that could actually stop the run AND rush the passer.
Many keep saying that the game has changed. Tell that to Notre Dame.Win on the lines and you will win the game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Moores been a disappointment for sure…. Missed a couple today that were right on target
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:42 pm
If CP had Gannons line and Tim Brown and Jerry Rice to throw to we would not be having this discussion… please.. apples to apples.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Tricky70390 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Carson Palmer the garbage time superstar about to pass Rich Gannon with a pile of yards that aren’t worth their weight in wins? DO TELL.
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How can you say that when he had like, what, SEVEN dropped balls tonight?
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And the other days? Dropped balls or not he never does anything noteworthy until late when the games barely matter anymore.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Yep, Palmer threw that pass short…. But it should have been a run play … Plenty of time… The run was working very well …
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine
I too was wondering why the Raiders didn’t run the ball more when they had the momentum…
Here’s something regarding that from SF Chronicle Raiders beat writer Vic Tafur…
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
My biggest question was why didn’t Raiders run more (5 yards a pop), and Allen, players said they were going off Palmer’s no-huddle reads
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Loooooong time reader here, first time poster. But I’ve been around, behind the curtain to know a lot of you just from observing the comments. I have to say there’s a few of you who give football fans a bad name.(yes, I few of you are great Raider fans too, but you know who you are)For those of you idiots, not only do you know d1ck about football, but to blame the QB and OC for losing this game is simply ludicrous. Have you seen our defense? Have you seen players like T.Kelly, Shonasty and others standing around piles doing nothing? Have you seen who CP3 is throwing to? Have you seen our O-line? Did you watch any of the games so far? Or are you so caught up in yourselves? This team from top to bottom is atrocious. The head coach, his staff, have quite simply been outdone week in and week out. Interim head coaches have faired better results. The entire team is to blame. All of them. This team lacks NFL starting talent at every position on the roster aside from QB.(No, Pryor is not a starter dummy!) The exceptions CP3, Houston, Wheeler, Burris, Myers, Reece, Veldheer deserve to be here next year. The young guys from the most recent draft should be given a shot too. All the others can walk the plank! This team is a disgrace to the greatest fan base in the world! How can we be expected to support this team!?! If I keep watching them like this, soon they’ll be my least liked team, and I’ll be routing for them to jump ship to LA, so I can jump ship too! But if they do stay in the bay, they have got to fix this, and it starts from the top, and works right on down! There are no excuses!
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Seconded. Plz post more, so that you, Riff, Morilla, chrisNYC, myself (i hope, haha) and a few others can outnumber the retarded.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
14.Gdog Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
cant praise palmer for the td to streater than beat him up on the throw to criner….
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That’s a great point, and he had so many drops today… I can’t imagine what his stats would look like with competent receivers. WTH happened to Moore?
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Yeah, just not accurate to say that he “deserves the lion’s share of the blame for this one”.
Bad throw? No question, but virtually every coach in the world will tell you that one play does not lose you a football game. Countless drops and bad routes that cost us first downs and points, not to mention a pathetic defensive effort in the 4th quarter, had way more to do with this loss than one bad throw.
Again, I’m not excusing the throw. It was not, however, the reason we lost the game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Knapp and Palmer are the problem.
I hope they are gone soon.
You can win in the NFL with a vanilla offense and a quarterback who can’t run.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Palmer is a classic Darryl Lamonica bomber. don’t ask him to dink & dunk, please.
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Disagree.
He can do it with the best of them. Just don’t curtail his Farve-like ability to throw deep.
That’s where the perfect storm of incompetence came in with Knapp/Allen. Not only did they try to change the power-blocking scheme that McF fit, they tried to minimize CP’s interceptions at all costs.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Raider Riff Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Ohioraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
The Al Apologist in Chief, Father Pride & Poise, would have us believe that problems with the coaching, player morale, and leadership are new issues, and if you read between the lines what you get–unsurprisingly–is a justification for the player first atmosphere that Al enforced. Still the same ol finger pointing at the coaches, who were ALWAYS guilty of letting Al down. But clearly, what we have on our hands now is a continuation of long standing problems with lack of discipline and lack of accountability, not to mention the thin talent on the roster. Not that McKenzie gets off the hook for the debacle, but you got to remember that it took Al 13 years to win a Super Bowl.
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A decade of wasted 1st rd picks will do that to any franchise.
Thanks Al.
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Lets leave the “1st rd” out of it. A DECADE of wasted picks. Who do we have from the last 10 years? Lets start w janikowski and lechler. Nvm that we burned a 1st and 4th on those guys, when nobody burns picks on kickers and punters like that, but at least they panned out. Can’t argue that. But who else? Houston comes to mind, ok for a second a guess. Certainly better than our first that year, suspendo. Branch? Pass. Huff? Not as a number 1, might consider him a good 3rd or 4th rounder. Veldheer? Yea. McFadden? No way, maybe if he could stay healthy, but no. Reece? Did we even draft him? Probably, not sure tho. To lazy to look it up. Wiz? Last year yea. This year? Looking like yet another in a long line of raider busts. Bey? Nope. Not a number 1. Moore? Last year for sure, this year doesn’t even look like he was worth a 4th. Ford? Maybe, but maybe the best thing that could have happened to him was getting hurt.
So we have 3 receivers (4 if you count Myers), two lineman (pretty sure we didn’t draft Barnes or Carlisle, I could be wrong about one of them), 3 defensive lineman (only one any good), 2 linebackers (one may be good), 2 running backs and 2 secondary on our current team. So, out of 24 possible starters (including punter and kicker, which is giving Al a gift), we have 15 homegrown. If all 15 out of that 24 were awesome, that MIGHT be an acceptable number. But they aren’t. And it isn’t.
And btw, I think the jury is still out on all of 2012 as well. It would be nice to be able to say at least 1 or 2 were definite keepers by this point in the season. Not sure you can say that. So the trend continues perhaps.
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Everything said in this thread is spot on. Overall, our players suck.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
As I have been telling those of you that thought we had outdated schemes and coaches.
No. We have not had enough talent to come close to competeing in the NFL for ten years.
Ten years of bad drafts will kill you and it has killed us.
Reggie will build through the draft. He still had a bad cap situation this year and no 1st or 2nd rounder.
All he could do is scramble for free agents and as you must see by now, they are usually poor values.
Yes you can find a Gannon and Romo. More often you find what no one else wants; Sands, Warren, Slaughter Spencer, Bartell,Hall, Kelly, Seymour. Guys looking for a quick buck on there way out.
This is a 3-5 year project. Any body doubt that now?
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
edward teach Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:45 pm
14.Gdog Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 pm
cant praise palmer for the td to streater than beat him up on the throw to criner….
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That’s a great point, and he had so many drops today… I can’t imagine what his stats would look like with competent receivers. WTH happened to Moore?
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Yeah, just not accurate to say that he “deserves the lion’s share of the blame for this one”.
Bad throw? No question, but virtually every coach in the world will tell you that one play does not lose you a football game. Countless drops and bad routes that cost us first downs and points, not to mention a pathetic defensive effort in the 4th quarter, had way more to do with this loss than one bad throw.
Again, I’m not excusing the throw. It was not, however, the reason we lost the game.
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Well said.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Charlie Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
As I have been telling those of you that thought we had outdated schemes and coaches.
No. We have not had enough talent to come close to competeing in the NFL for ten years.
Ten years of bad drafts will kill you and it has killed us.
Reggie will build through the draft. He still had a bad cap situation this year and no 1st or 2nd rounder.
All he could do is scramble for free agents and as you must see by now, they are usually poor values.
Yes you can find a Gannon and Romo. More often you find what no one else wants; Sands, Warren, Slaughter Spencer, Bartell,Hall, Kelly, Seymour. Guys looking for a quick buck on there way out.
This is a 3-5 year project. Any body doubt that now?
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Yes.
We were a coupla plays from the playoffs last year.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:51 pm
:/
:::waves the white flag:::
There is no hope.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Brandon Weeden was 25-of-36 for 364 yards in the game.
how about this new modern defensive scheme….zone defense at its best.
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You just love to hear yourself talk don’t you? This is your hero Al’s defense that gives up all these points and yards. Too bad we couldn’t afford to pay Wimbley and nhamdi the $30 million this year that your hero signed them for. Not that they would have helped. Not this disasterous bunch of check cashiers.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
A decade of wasted picks is accurate.
DHB instead of Crabtree.
Jamarcus Russell instead of Calvin Johnson.
It is going to take years to recover from Al Davis’ incompetence.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Tough loss,…sucks we are 3-9 and not 4-8,…but Im here to tell you,..Reggie and I talked today,…all I have is about 15 pics to prove it,….with Mark too,…and Morris,..Reggie assured me these dark days are only temporary,..its all good Nation.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
So we have 3 receivers (4 if you count Myers), two lineman (pretty sure we didn’t draft Barnes or Carlisle, I could be wrong about one of them), 3 defensive lineman (only one any good), 2 linebackers (one may be good), 2 running backs and 2 secondary on our current team. So, out of 24 possible starters (including punter and kicker, which is giving Al a gift), we have 15 homegrown. If all 15 out of that 24 were awesome, that MIGHT be an acceptable number. But they aren’t. And it isn’t.
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I am not completely convinced that this is any different from any other team.
The NFL is mostly QB’s and coaching.
We are the only team with a half-way decent QB doing really really poorly.
You do the math.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Gdog
We got pummelled by teams when it counted.
Even the Bolts lit us up last year in the finale and they had nothing to play for.
We beat the Bears w/o Cutler
We beat the Vikes with Ponder as a rookie
We beat the Donkeys WITH orton
Mirage Mirage Mirage.
If you did not see we sucked against good teams last year you do not know football.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
1 guy on the sidelines telling Reggie and Mark that the “Nation believes in them” must be drowned out by the 25,000 EMPTY seats…there will be more seagulls than fans by the time KC rolls into town…
Maybe Mark can rent the tarps from the A’s.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
This team is clearly lacking talent across the board, and there should be no doubt that the Browns are more talented than us.
Most of that blame goes on the previous regime. You can’t have ZERO play-makers on either side of the ball, and no cap space, and no draft picks? How the F does that happen. Granted we turned over 40% of the roster, but we just replaced untalented guys with new untalented guys.
However, with all that being said, you can’t look at that draft picks of Crawford, Burris and Bergstrom and calls those anything but failures. Those guys either provide no impact, or in Burris’ case, provide a negative impact.
The Reggie has one more draft, in my eyes, to prove he knows what the hell he is doing with the draft.
Bilukidi might be OK, and Streater was a great UDFA pickup. But you got to do better with a 3rd, 4th and 5th, then, Bergstrom, Burris, and Amaechi Crawford.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Charlie Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
As I have been telling those of you that thought we had outdated schemes and coaches.
No. We have not had enough talent to come close to competeing in the NFL for ten years.
Ten years of bad drafts will kill you and it has killed us.
Reggie will build through the draft. He still had a bad cap situation this year and no 1st or 2nd rounder.
All he could do is scramble for free agents and as you must see by now, they are usually poor values.
Yes you can find a Gannon and Romo. More often you find what no one else wants; Sands, Warren, Slaughter Spencer, Bartell,Hall, Kelly, Seymour. Guys looking for a quick buck on there way out.
This is a 3-5 year project. Any body doubt that now?
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I don’t accept that. It may turn out that way, but I don’t accept it.
Carolina went to the NFC title game in yr. 3 of their existence as an expansion team and we’ve seen many turnarounds much quicker.
I expect more from Reggie if he has the ability we all heard he has.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
3-13…
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Gdog, we don’t have a decent QB except for Pryor.
And they won’t play him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
I’m not saying I expect SB in yr. 2, i’m saying there’s no excuse not to be competing strong alot sooner than 5 freaking yr’s.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Reggie assured you the dark days are over?
Think he was referring to the rainstorm that hit over the weekend…
This thing is far from turned around.
Now if they could just get 40,000 other fans to hang out on the sidelines, the place wouldn’t be blacked out and empty on Sundays.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Yep …the Raiders were 8/8 last year…so we’re the chargers / Donkeys/ & Chefs(. 7/9)….the reality… It was a weak division…
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
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December 2nd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
You know when a team sucks from the coaches down?
When your QB warrants blame for a loss to the Cleveland Browns, after throwing 350yds and 2 TDs but makes a mistake that’s not even at the end of a game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
I actually hope we keep losing so we can get the first pick in the draft.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:57 pm
The defense hasn’t improved in years…..it might even be worse this year( it is)
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
no one should panic, reggie has a plan . his brother is focused on getting us at least 3 more players from the gb practice squad in 2013
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Gdog
Absolutley incorrect.
Did the Steelers win today with Ben?
You win on the line of scrimmage. End of story.
You have the 2012 Oakland Raiders to prove the point.
Weak lines due to ignoring them in the draft with high picks.(Gallery and Grove are not enough when when 41% of your starting 22 are lineman).
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Bring back Gruden or Hue Jackson.
Both of them were better than Dennis Allen.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Palmer can’t even lick where the cup holder and straps meet of the Mad Bomber’s jock strap.
KK, you are officially a Raider Rival, consider yourself, Jamarcus Russell’s sofa surfing buddy.
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Reggie must’ve really put guys on notice, cause they really tightened up their games today…
Penalties, drops, blown assignments and a coaching staff hat abandons the key element of offensive football once they get behind a team…HORRIBLE
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Why don’t some of you understand that Gruden or Hue isn’t coming back…. What the hell is wrong with you…
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Charlie Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
As I have been telling those of you that thought we had outdated schemes and coaches.
No. We have not had enough talent to come close to competeing in the NFL for ten years.
Ten years of bad drafts will kill you and it has killed us.
Reggie will build through the draft. He still had a bad cap situation this year and no 1st or 2nd rounder.
All he could do is scramble for free agents and as you must see by now, they are usually poor values.
Yes you can find a Gannon and Romo. More often you find what no one else wants; Sands, Warren, Slaughter Spencer, Bartell,Hall, Kelly, Seymour. Guys looking for a quick buck on there way out.
This is a 3-5 year project. Any body doubt that now?
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I don’t accept that. It may turn out that way, but I don’t accept it.
Carolina went to the NFC title game in yr. 3 of their existence as an expansion team and we’ve seen many turnarounds much quicker.
I expect more from Reggie if he has the ability we all heard he has.
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3-5 years..lol..you must be related to Reggie. In The NBA maybe, but in the NFL if you have the right gm and coach it can be done in 2 years. 2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 there are none
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
This thought should leave you saying WTF: Al Davis offered Knapp the HC job before he then offered it to lane Kiffin. What is it with USC assistant coaches?
The vote on DOA is still out I believe. Not so for Knapp, Pollack & Hoffman. Those guys should be gone, sooner better than later.
If Dennis Allen doesn’t survive then I’d want Shaw from Stanford, Kelly from Oregon or possibly Mora from UCLA. I’d rather stick with DOA as Co-HC-Defense and assign Al Saunders as Co-HC-Offense. I’d bring Wylie & wiz 1.0 back as O-line coaches & Mike Wauffle as D-line coach. Finding another “Bones” Fassell for STC would be helpful too. That would be a good start.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
We beat the Chargers and the Texans and the Jets as well. Bottom line is there are no “easy wins” in the NFL. We got 8 last year despite losing McFadden, who was the best RB in the league at the time and our starting QB.
We needed to build on that, of course. Palmer with a full offseason is a major QB upgrade over Soup. Hue was going to completely reconstruct the defense. How successful would we have been? Impossible to say, but just because this team is limping toward 3-13 with a historically bad defense doesn’t mean it would’ve been the same story with Hue. We could easily be in the playoff hunt with 7 or 8 wins right now instead if this thing was run better.-
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
DJ
There is no team in the history of the NFL that has ever undergone the overhaul this team is facing.
We were behind the times for a decade in every aspect of franchise management.
No picks, no cap room, no scouts, no computers.
Come on.
You do not have to accept anything. Just look at other teams drafts prior to the “quick fix” you THINK occurred and you will see solid focus on building lines SUCCESSFULLY.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Charlie, your post #35 is absolutely correct.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Keep singing the Hue blues, some guys cant make their point and move on. we get it, but Hue is not part of the future
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
I’m confused.
People here are MAD after this loss.
Yet the same people want D(0)A gone.
If that’s what you want then you MUST WANT more short term humiliation like this.
As a bonus, total tankage (which we are only midway through) WILL yield better picks in April.
Continuing this dumpster-fire caliber of play WILL exacerbate the coaching AND player exodus.
Win-Win-Win
You WANT to see 3-13.
Here’s to a successful 9-game IMPLOSION…
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Chris
We had Bush to fill in.
We had a team we could not afford this year.
Giving Seymour $11.5 mill guaranteed will do that.
Did the Jets make the palyoffs last year?
Did the Chargers?
We got pounded last year down the stretch because we do not have the talent. Everyone said Bresahan is an idiot. Is Tarver as well?
No. Take a look at our pathetic dline and that is all you need to see.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Guys, draft picks after round 3 are a crapshoot.
This is a 3 year project if we get LUCKY with some late round picks.
5 years if we don’t
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Charlie Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Chris
We had Bush to fill in.
We had a team we could not afford this year.
Giving Seymour $11.5 mill guaranteed will do that.
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Reggie , could have cut seymour and saved 7.5 mill..he the gave him a new contract which when cut costs us 5.5 mil next year in cap space..
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Charlie Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
DJ
There is no team in the history of the NFL that has ever undergone the overhaul this team is facing.
We were behind the times for a decade in every aspect of franchise management.
No picks, no cap room, no scouts, no computers.
Come on.
You do not have to accept anything. Just look at other teams drafts prior to the “quick fix” you THINK occurred and you will see solid focus on building lines SUCCESSFULLY.
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no scouts no computers..wow,, lets start making up more excuses
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
no one should panic, reggie has a plan . his brother is focused on getting us at least 3 more players from the gb practice squad in 2013
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You mean that elementary school he came from doesn’t have any players to offer?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Just watched DA’s pressedr, Dude has no clue, says the same crap.
All of you that keep saying Hue was 1-4 downt the stretch just don’t get it. We lost to a great GB team on the road, we always lose to Miami. We won a tough KC gma e and lost 2 games vs Detroit and SD that we were very competitive in, the defense lost us the playoffs. It was Hues first year, he dealt with Al Dying and never got a full training camp. He should get extra credit for taking this talent to 8-8.
Yes, our talent is lacking but Reggie really screwed up by Firing Hue Jackson, I mean Mark Davis, screwed that up……..
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
How can you say that when he had like, what, SEVEN dropped balls tonight?
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Anything that happened before the pick is irrelevant. The game was on the line, it was winnable, we had the momentum, and he killed it with a pick, AGAIN!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Post of the day:
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Raider Riff Says:
Why even suit up players?
Just have the coaches play XBox against each other.
The players have nothing to do with it according to y’all.
Hell, I dont know why you watch the game. The stat line is all you care about. You probably just watch the game from your cell phone.
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Chris in NY Says:
I don’t think anyone is absolving the players or looking forward to seeing the same 53 out there next year, whether DA and company stay or go.
When the coaching staff is the only major change from 16-16 when we showed promise to 3-9 and looking like something between the Shell and Kiffin eras, the coaches are going to take a lot of heat.
It sounds like you take the opposite approach though and think the coaches don’t add or subtract anything from a team’s performance.
So why not just put a hat and sunglasses on a broomstick and trot that out there as the Raiders head coach and save a few mil in salary?.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
18. If CP had Gannons line and Tim Brown and Jerry Rice to throw to we would not be having this discussion… please.. apples to apples.
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read #67
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm
rodn5yn Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
How can you say that when he had like, what, SEVEN dropped balls tonight?
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Anything that happened before the pick is irrelevant. The game was on the line, it was winnable, we had the momentum, and he killed it with a pick, AGAIN!
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ANDthe defense had the Cleveland freaking Browns and the great Brandon Weeden at their own 3 yrd. line with a chance to hold them down and give us a chance to win; and they CHOKED……AGAIN.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
To the “no talent crew”.
Everyone knows there are no gimmes in the NFL, it’s a struggle to win every sunday vs any given team.
This team, with lesser QB play, won 16 games the last 2 years and has regressed badly under the new Coaching staff.
That is an undeniable fact and so is that a better coaching staff would have this very same team fighting for a wildcard spot in the playoffs.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Bob,
Do you think DA should get another yr.?
If this were yr.2 in his tenure I would say get him out of here.
It’d be interesting to see if he could make some progress next yr.
Right now, i’m not sure where i’m at with this issue.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Nnamdi = over hyped.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Tyler Wilson anyone?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Chris in NY Says:
So why not just put a hat and sunglasses on a broomstick and trot that out there as the Raiders head coach and save a few mil in salary?.
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I think we’ve tried that a couple of times.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
70. DJ Johnny Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm
ANDthe defense had the Cleveland freaking Browns and the great Brandon Weeden at their own 3 yrd. line with a chance to hold them down and give us a chance to win; and they CHOKED……AGAIN.
The pick was an easy TD for a good clutch passer. The receiver was behind the defense. Thats a 4point lead with another possession to boot.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
The defense needs work. But our first pick should be a franchise QB. Palmer is a better than average passer, but he’s not clutch.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Head Coach & GM? I have almost no doubt that DA will be back next year. My impulse as a fan wants him gone Monday. But I also believe that to truly know what he can do, he needs one more year. But anything less of the Playoffs next season should be deemed a failure, unless the team Reggie and DA put together next year at the least shows tremendous promise and barely misses the postseason, I believe both Reggie and DA should be gone. An up and down 8-8 is not an improvement by any means next season.
Even only granting 2 years is far better then some of the stuff I’ve endured while bleeding this Silver and Black. I mean I had to stay strong for what I thought was a contract cycle when the Raiders drafted #2 @ #1. In the first year, when he held out, I knew I would be trying to trick myself into believing in him for at least the next 3 years(Thank god it wasn’t 6). I made it, and so did a lot of you, and here we are. Again, staring into the abyss. But there’s always next year, thank Christ.(FU Mayans) I certainly hope Reggie, stockpiles as many draft picks that are allowed for a team to have. If we end up at number 1 I hope it turns into a late number 1 and a 3(or 2). I also, love DMAC(see above about #2). But I purchased his jersey as a rookie for like 60+ and just sold it on Feebay for $18. I hope we can sell on him now before we can get nothing for him later. I would rather have RB by committee.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 pm
DEFENSE. We haven’t had it in years. Unless you have a Don Coryell-Dan Fouts quick consisent quick strike offense (rare, and even they never could win the big ones) or a West Coast offense supreme (demands quality players up and down the offense), you had better make defense your star and work back from that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
What HAS happened to Nmandi? Watching him now makes me think that teams that always threw to the other side when he was with us might have been giving him a bit too much superhuman credit.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 pm
On Sunday, there was no mistaking that Palmer deserved the lion’s share of the blame for the Raiders’ 20-17 loss to the Cleveland Browns at rain-soaked O.co Coliseum…..Please someone show him the door, immediately..also Allen, the coaching staff, the GM, the owner…please help us…the players..blow this team up including the front office!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Now tied for last place! Hooray for Spuds!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 am
It’s official, Raiders are THE Doormat of the NFL!
Please spare us embarassment on Thurs. night against the Donkos! What a freakin disaster!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Tough loss,…sucks we are 3-9 and not 4-8,…but Im here to tell you,..Reggie and I talked today,…all I have is about 15 pics to prove it,….with Mark too,…and Morris,..Reggie assured me these dark days are only temporary,..its all good Nation.
DILLUSIONAL! Temporary…are you kidding? This is at least a 3-4 year project!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Coaches are suppose to be motivaters too. The Rams hired Jeff Fisher and they are competing. They were one of the worse teams in the NFL last year. The Raiders don’t have any coaches with fire. The Colts, Rams and Redskins have no more talent than the Raiders but they have coaches that the players believe in. Raider coaches looks like Boy Scouts and a lot of these grown men players don’t respect them.