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Palmer quick to take blame; this time it’s warranted

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, December 2nd, 2012 at 6:27 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer is quick to take blame for most anything, even when it’s obvious that he’s not at fault.
On Sunday, there was no mistaking that Palmer deserved the lion’s share of the blame for the Raiders losing to the Cleveland Browns 20-17 at the rain-soaked Coliseum.
A poorly thrown pass by Palmer early in the fourth quarter ended a promising Raiders drive and kick-started a game-clinching touchdown drive by the Browns.
“We can’t turn the ball over like that,” Raiders coach Dennis Allen said. “We’ve got all the momentum, we’re moving the ball, and we can’t have that self-inflicted wound right there. If it’s not there, we’ve got to get rid of it, but we can’t make that mistake.”
The Raiders were riding a huge wave of momentum on the heels of a blocked field-goal attempt, a 64-yard touchdown from Palmer to wide receiver Rod Streater and forcing the Browns to punt on their ensuing possession.
Palmer completed four of six passes in navigating the Raiders from their own 27-yard line to the Browns 33. The fourth completion gave the Raiders a first down and put them in Sebastian Janikowski’s field-goal range.
Yet, on a first-down play, Palmer lofted a pass for rookie receiver Juron Criner down the left sideline, with cornerback Sheldon Brown running step for step with Criner.
By the time Criner turned for the ball, Brown was in position to make the easy catch.
“I was trying to take a shot there, go for the touchdown quickly,” Palmer said, “and just didn’t put the ball in the right spot, didn’t give Juron a chance to make a play on the ball.”
That’s a play that Palmer loves to gamble on, with single coverage on the outside, having confidence in his ability to put the ball in a spot where his receiver can make a play on the ball.
It worked on the touchdown to Streater. On the pass to Criner, Palmer just didn’t get enough on the ball. Coaches stress making sure that the pass is long enough to where only the receiver can catch the ball.
Streater said he and the other receivers enjoy the fact that Palmer has the confidence in them to make plays in single coverage, even if they aren’t wide open.
“He has a lot of faith in us,” Streater said. “It feels good that he believes in us like that. We just want to come down with every ball and continue to keep that confidence in him.”
Palmer targeted Brown numerous times Sunday. In the end, it was Brown who got the better of the toe-to-toe battle.
“Carson threw a few deep balls at me today,” Brown said. “You would have to talk to him and see what he saw on tape last week when he was preparing.
“On that particular play, I had an opportunity to cover the short field. I lined up in press like I was going to stay down tight. Criner released outside, I bailed out of there. And at that point I saw Carson throwing the ball and I just became the receiver and caught it.”
Overall, Palmer completed 34 of 54 passes for 351 yards and two touchdowns. Unfortunately for him and the Raiders, the pass that stood out among the 54 was the one that Brown intercepted.
Palmer is on pace to pass for 4,709 yards, which would break Rich Gannon’s franchise record for most passing yards in a single season.

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  • RaiderRetribution

    Palmer can’t even lick where the cup holder and straps meet of the Mad Bomber’s jock strap.

    KK, you are officially a Raider Rival, consider yourself, Jamarcus Russell’s sofa surfing buddy.

  • VanHeathen30

    Reggie must’ve really put guys on notice, cause they really tightened up their games today…
    Penalties, drops, blown assignments and a coaching staff hat abandons the key element of offensive football once they get behind a team…HORRIBLE

  • fingers

    Why don’t some of you understand that Gruden or Hue isn’t coming back…. What the hell is wrong with you…

  • nycraider

    DJ Johnny Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:54 pm
    Charlie Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
    As I have been telling those of you that thought we had outdated schemes and coaches.

    No. We have not had enough talent to come close to competeing in the NFL for ten years.
    Ten years of bad drafts will kill you and it has killed us.
    Reggie will build through the draft. He still had a bad cap situation this year and no 1st or 2nd rounder.
    All he could do is scramble for free agents and as you must see by now, they are usually poor values.

    Yes you can find a Gannon and Romo. More often you find what no one else wants; Sands, Warren, Slaughter Spencer, Bartell,Hall, Kelly, Seymour. Guys looking for a quick buck on there way out.

    This is a 3-5 year project. Any body doubt that now?

    I don’t accept that. It may turn out that way, but I don’t accept it.

    Carolina went to the NFC title game in yr. 3 of their existence as an expansion team and we’ve seen many turnarounds much quicker.

    I expect more from Reggie if he has the ability we all heard he has.
    ————–
    3-5 years..lol..you must be related to Reggie. In The NBA maybe, but in the NFL if you have the right gm and coach it can be done in 2 years. 2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 there are none

  • JB

    This thought should leave you saying WTF: Al Davis offered Knapp the HC job before he then offered it to lane Kiffin. What is it with USC assistant coaches?

    The vote on DOA is still out I believe. Not so for Knapp, Pollack & Hoffman. Those guys should be gone, sooner better than later.

    If Dennis Allen doesn’t survive then I’d want Shaw from Stanford, Kelly from Oregon or possibly Mora from UCLA. I’d rather stick with DOA as Co-HC-Defense and assign Al Saunders as Co-HC-Offense. I’d bring Wylie & wiz 1.0 back as O-line coaches & Mike Wauffle as D-line coach. Finding another “Bones” Fassell for STC would be helpful too. That would be a good start.

  • Chris in NY

    We beat the Chargers and the Texans and the Jets as well. Bottom line is there are no “easy wins” in the NFL. We got 8 last year despite losing McFadden, who was the best RB in the league at the time and our starting QB.

    We needed to build on that, of course. Palmer with a full offseason is a major QB upgrade over Soup. Hue was going to completely reconstruct the defense. How successful would we have been? Impossible to say, but just because this team is limping toward 3-13 with a historically bad defense doesn’t mean it would’ve been the same story with Hue. We could easily be in the playoff hunt with 7 or 8 wins right now instead if this thing was run better.-

  • Charlie

    DJ

    There is no team in the history of the NFL that has ever undergone the overhaul this team is facing.

    We were behind the times for a decade in every aspect of franchise management.

    No picks, no cap room, no scouts, no computers.
    Come on.

    You do not have to accept anything. Just look at other teams drafts prior to the “quick fix” you THINK occurred and you will see solid focus on building lines SUCCESSFULLY.

  • RaiderRetribution

    Charlie, your post #35 is absolutely correct.

  • nycraider

    Keep singing the Hue blues, some guys cant make their point and move on. we get it, but Hue is not part of the future

  • tuckrulefool

    I’m confused.

    People here are MAD after this loss.

    Yet the same people want D(0)A gone.

    If that’s what you want then you MUST WANT more short term humiliation like this.

    As a bonus, total tankage (which we are only midway through) WILL yield better picks in April.

    Continuing this dumpster-fire caliber of play WILL exacerbate the coaching AND player exodus.

    Win-Win-Win

    You WANT to see 3-13.

    Here’s to a successful 9-game IMPLOSION…

  • Charlie

    Chris

    We had Bush to fill in.
    We had a team we could not afford this year.
    Giving Seymour $11.5 mill guaranteed will do that.

    Did the Jets make the palyoffs last year?
    Did the Chargers?
    We got pounded last year down the stretch because we do not have the talent. Everyone said Bresahan is an idiot. Is Tarver as well?

    No. Take a look at our pathetic dline and that is all you need to see.

  • Charlie

    Guys, draft picks after round 3 are a crapshoot.

    This is a 3 year project if we get LUCKY with some late round picks.

    5 years if we don’t

  • nycraider

    Charlie Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
    Chris

    We had Bush to fill in.
    We had a team we could not afford this year.
    Giving Seymour $11.5 mill guaranteed will do that.

    ————
    Reggie , could have cut seymour and saved 7.5 mill..he the gave him a new contract which when cut costs us 5.5 mil next year in cap space..

  • nycraider

    Charlie Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
    DJ

    There is no team in the history of the NFL that has ever undergone the overhaul this team is facing.

    We were behind the times for a decade in every aspect of franchise management.

    No picks, no cap room, no scouts, no computers.
    Come on.

    You do not have to accept anything. Just look at other teams drafts prior to the “quick fix” you THINK occurred and you will see solid focus on building lines SUCCESSFULLY.
    ————-
    no scouts no computers..wow,, lets start making up more excuses

  • MaddenRaiderisadouchebag

    Nycraider Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    no one should panic, reggie has a plan . his brother is focused on getting us at least 3 more players from the gb practice squad in 2013

    ======
    You mean that elementary school he came from doesn’t have any players to offer?

  • 303Raider

    Just watched DA’s pressedr, Dude has no clue, says the same crap.

    All of you that keep saying Hue was 1-4 downt the stretch just don’t get it. We lost to a great GB team on the road, we always lose to Miami. We won a tough KC gma e and lost 2 games vs Detroit and SD that we were very competitive in, the defense lost us the playoffs. It was Hues first year, he dealt with Al Dying and never got a full training camp. He should get extra credit for taking this talent to 8-8.

    Yes, our talent is lacking but Reggie really screwed up by Firing Hue Jackson, I mean Mark Davis, screwed that up……..

  • rodn5yn

    How can you say that when he had like, what, SEVEN dropped balls tonight?
    ========================================================

    Anything that happened before the pick is irrelevant. The game was on the line, it was winnable, we had the momentum, and he killed it with a pick, AGAIN!

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    Post of the day:

    December 2nd, 2012 at 4:43 pm

    Raider Riff Says:

    Why even suit up players?

    Just have the coaches play XBox against each other.

    The players have nothing to do with it according to y’all.

    Hell, I dont know why you watch the game. The stat line is all you care about. You probably just watch the game from your cell phone.

    ————————–

    Chris in NY Says:

    I don’t think anyone is absolving the players or looking forward to seeing the same 53 out there next year, whether DA and company stay or go.

    When the coaching staff is the only major change from 16-16 when we showed promise to 3-9 and looking like something between the Shell and Kiffin eras, the coaches are going to take a lot of heat.

    It sounds like you take the opposite approach though and think the coaches don’t add or subtract anything from a team’s performance.

    So why not just put a hat and sunglasses on a broomstick and trot that out there as the Raiders head coach and save a few mil in salary?.

  • rodn5yn

    18. If CP had Gannons line and Tim Brown and Jerry Rice to throw to we would not be having this discussion… please.. apples to apples.
    =========================================================
    read #67

  • DJ Johnny

    rodn5yn Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
    How can you say that when he had like, what, SEVEN dropped balls tonight?
    ========================================================

    Anything that happened before the pick is irrelevant. The game was on the line, it was winnable, we had the momentum, and he killed it with a pick, AGAIN!

    ANDthe defense had the Cleveland freaking Browns and the great Brandon Weeden at their own 3 yrd. line with a chance to hold them down and give us a chance to win; and they CHOKED……AGAIN.

  • http://000 Bob Marley

    To the “no talent crew”.

    Everyone knows there are no gimmes in the NFL, it’s a struggle to win every sunday vs any given team.

    This team, with lesser QB play, won 16 games the last 2 years and has regressed badly under the new Coaching staff.

    That is an undeniable fact and so is that a better coaching staff would have this very same team fighting for a wildcard spot in the playoffs.

  • DJ Johnny

    Bob,

    Do you think DA should get another yr.?

    If this were yr.2 in his tenure I would say get him out of here.

    It’d be interesting to see if he could make some progress next yr.

    Right now, i’m not sure where i’m at with this issue.

  • DJ Johnny

    Nnamdi = over hyped.

  • rodn5yn

    Tyler Wilson anyone?

  • morilla

    Chris in NY Says:

    So why not just put a hat and sunglasses on a broomstick and trot that out there as the Raiders head coach and save a few mil in salary?.

    —————

    I think we’ve tried that a couple of times.

  • rodn5yn

    70. DJ Johnny Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm

    ANDthe defense had the Cleveland freaking Browns and the great Brandon Weeden at their own 3 yrd. line with a chance to hold them down and give us a chance to win; and they CHOKED……AGAIN.

    The pick was an easy TD for a good clutch passer. The receiver was behind the defense. Thats a 4point lead with another possession to boot.

  • rodn5yn

    The defense needs work. But our first pick should be a franchise QB. Palmer is a better than average passer, but he’s not clutch.

  • Theplank

    Head Coach & GM? I have almost no doubt that DA will be back next year. My impulse as a fan wants him gone Monday. But I also believe that to truly know what he can do, he needs one more year. But anything less of the Playoffs next season should be deemed a failure, unless the team Reggie and DA put together next year at the least shows tremendous promise and barely misses the postseason, I believe both Reggie and DA should be gone. An up and down 8-8 is not an improvement by any means next season.
    Even only granting 2 years is far better then some of the stuff I’ve endured while bleeding this Silver and Black. I mean I had to stay strong for what I thought was a contract cycle when the Raiders drafted #2 @ #1. In the first year, when he held out, I knew I would be trying to trick myself into believing in him for at least the next 3 years(Thank god it wasn’t 6). I made it, and so did a lot of you, and here we are. Again, staring into the abyss. But there’s always next year, thank Christ.(FU Mayans) I certainly hope Reggie, stockpiles as many draft picks that are allowed for a team to have. If we end up at number 1 I hope it turns into a late number 1 and a 3(or 2). I also, love DMAC(see above about #2). But I purchased his jersey as a rookie for like 60+ and just sold it on Feebay for $18. I hope we can sell on him now before we can get nothing for him later. I would rather have RB by committee.

  • shutdown

    DEFENSE. We haven’t had it in years. Unless you have a Don Coryell-Dan Fouts quick consisent quick strike offense (rare, and even they never could win the big ones) or a West Coast offense supreme (demands quality players up and down the offense), you had better make defense your star and work back from that.

  • shutdown

    What HAS happened to Nmandi? Watching him now makes me think that teams that always threw to the other side when he was with us might have been giving him a bit too much superhuman credit.

  • dcraiderfan

    On Sunday, there was no mistaking that Palmer deserved the lion’s share of the blame for the Raiders’ 20-17 loss to the Cleveland Browns at rain-soaked O.co Coliseum…..Please someone show him the door, immediately..also Allen, the coaching staff, the GM, the owner…please help us…the players..blow this team up including the front office!

  • dcraiderfan

    Now tied for last place! Hooray for Spuds!

  • DaRaiders022

    It’s official, Raiders are THE Doormat of the NFL!
    Please spare us embarassment on Thurs. night against the Donkos! What a freakin disaster!

  • DaRaiders022

    JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
    December 2nd, 2012 at 6:53 pm
    Tough loss,…sucks we are 3-9 and not 4-8,…but Im here to tell you,..Reggie and I talked today,…all I have is about 15 pics to prove it,….with Mark too,…and Morris,..Reggie assured me these dark days are only temporary,..its all good Nation.

    DILLUSIONAL! Temporary…are you kidding? This is at least a 3-4 year project!

  • RaiderReggie

    Coaches are suppose to be motivaters too. The Rams hired Jeff Fisher and they are competing. They were one of the worse teams in the NFL last year. The Raiders don’t have any coaches with fire. The Colts, Rams and Redskins have no more talent than the Raiders but they have coaches that the players believe in. Raider coaches looks like Boy Scouts and a lot of these grown men players don’t respect them.