Postgame notes, quotes and observations
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, December 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders on Sunday lost their fifth straight game. In the process, they were mathematically eliminated from playoff contention and assured a losing record for the eighth time in 10 seasons.
The Raiders can’t catch the Colts, who won their eighth game of the season Sunday. The best the Raiders could do is to win their final four games and finish 7-9.
The Steelers and Bengals already are at seven victories, and they play each other one more time. That guarantees that one of them will finish ahead of the Raiders, too.
So, it’s on to 2013 for the Raiders on the heels of their 20-17 loss to the Cleveland Browns and the end of their hopes for their first playoff berth in 10 seasons.
“There’s nowhere to go but up, unfortunately,” quarterback Carson Palmer said. “The good thing is, we get to play fast. We don’t have to think about it for very long. We got to start focusing tonight, we have to start watching tape tonight.
“See what Denver does, see how much they’ve changed since the last time we played them. Nothing cures a five-game skid like a win at home on Thursday night against a team like that.”
Modifying goals and lowering expectations are not what the Raiders envisioned after only 12 games. Yet, that’s what they’re reduced to doing in light of a 3-9 record.
Free safety/cornerback Michael Huff talked about the Raiders having a top-five-caliber defense at the start of the season.
And now?
“It’s like it’s the same — can’t stop the run, can’t stop the pass,” Huff said. “Things just aren’t going well on defense. Right now, I guess we’re just a bad defense. We can’t really hide it. At this point, the numbers don’t really allow it. We’re just bad right now.”
The Raiders had to feel good about playing a Browns team that entered with a similar 3-8 record and a string of 12 straight road losses.
Yet, the Browns pretty much controlled the game from the outset, leading the entire way and surviving a brief scare from the Raiders early in the fourth quarter.
That threat ended with a Palmer pass that was intercepted and an ensuing drive that yielded a Browns touchdown.
That Browns drive began at their own 6-yard line. It ended 14 plays later with rookie running back Trent Richardson breezing into the end zone on a 3-yard run.
“When you have them first-and-94, we have to make a stop,” Allen said. “There was a critical third down in that series that they converted to keep the drive alive. Third down overall in the game was pretty good defensively. That was a critical play in the game. We have to find a way to get off the field and stop them in those situations.”
Now the Raiders have to find a way to build some momentum heading into the offseason, when Allen, general manager Reggie McKenzie and owner Mark Davis continue the process of making over the roster.
They hoped this season would end with a playoff berth and run at a Super Bowl title. Instead, it died a painful death Sunday, with four games to play.
– Tight end Brandon Myers’ breakout season got a whole lot better Sunday.
He caught 14 passes for 130 yards against the Browns. The 14 receptions tied the franchise mark set by wide receiver Tim Brown in 1997.
“Brandon has done a nice job for us in the passing game,” Allen said. “Obviously, our quarterback feels comfortable with him. I’m not really looking for silver linings right now but, yeah, he’s done a nice job for us.”
Time and again, Palmer looked for Myers whenever a play broke down or other receivers weren’t open. Time and again, Myers made the play. He caught all but one pass thrown his way.
Palmer said Myers has the ability to do the right thing more times than not, which leads Palmer to look Myers’ way quite often, as he did on the final Raiders drive that resulted in a touchdown by Myers.
“He’s just a good football player,” Palmer said. “He makes plays. He gets open. He really understands what we’re trying to do as an offense. He understands how to get open. He understands defenses. He understands coverages and seems to always kind of find an open spot.
“Just, naturally, you don’t teach that. You don’t coach that. That’s just, you either got it or you don’t. And he’s got a lot of it.”
– Allen conducted his postgame news conference, got dressed in a hurry and was escorted to a waiting car for a ride to the Oakland Airport so that he could get to Texas to be with his ailing father.
A team spokesman said Allen is expected to be back in time to rejoin the team Wednesday and coach the Thursday night game against the Denver Broncos.
Here’s to hoping that Allen’s father makes a speedy recovery and that Allen’s visit helps in that process.
In the interim, Allen appointed offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as the coach to oversee practice during his absence.
– Allen confirmed that he benched wide receiver Denarius Moore and cornerback Ron Bartell for a spell because of inconsistent play.
Bartell was replaced by Phillip Adams, who intercepted a pass but was forced from the game with a head injury.
Moore was replaced by rookie Rod Streater down the stretch after failing to hold on to several catchable passes.
“Yeah, took him out there at the end,” Allen said of Moore. “Dropped a couple balls, and we got to make plays when you’ve got opportunities. Both those guys. It wasn’t from a lack of effort, but we’ve got to make plays when we’ve got an opportunity.”
Streater finished with three catches for 96 yards, including a 64-yard touchdown.
– Quarterback Terrelle Pryor was active for Sunday’s game, the first time he was in uniform for a regular-season game in 12 games this season.
Maybe now that the Raiders are out of the playoffs picture, Allen and McKenzie will do more than allow Pryor to stand on the sideline in his uniform.
Pryor didn’t play Sunday, and he still hasn’t attempted a pass in his two NFL seasons. He was on the field for one botched play his rookie season, when he got called for a false start.
McKenzie said he wants to see Pryor play so that he can get a better feel for what Pryor can do in a real game.
It says here that now is the perfect time to do so. The Raiders have four otherwise meaningless games left. They need to see what Pryor can do, as well as other young, inexperienced players such as running back Taiwan Jones and defensive back Brandian Ross.
– The Browns converted only 3 of 11 third-down plays into first downs, yet they amassed 475 yards offense.
Among those yards, rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden passes for a career-high 364 yards, while being sacked only once in 37 dropbacks.
– The Raiders committed 10 penalties for 65 yards Sunday, while the Browns were flagged only twice for 25.
Naturally, several of the penalties came at the worst time for the Raiders.
On one play, defensive tackle Desmond Bryant jumped offsides on a third-and-one play from the Raiders 10-yard line in the fourth quarter. The Browns scored a game-clinching touchdown two plays later.
– Allen said running backs Darren McFadden and Mike Goodson came close to being ready to play Sunday. In the end, he opted to give them a few more days’ rest on their high-ankle sprains.
“I would expect both of those guys to be able to play on Thursday night,” Allen said. “We tested them out. They just weren’t quite ready to go. I’d hope they’d be ready for Thursday night.”
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December 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
3-13…
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
I have no prob with 3-13.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Because 5-11 gets you the same thing,..except a worse draft pick.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
if you like losing thats cool…i prefer my team win even meaningless games.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
This thought should leave you saying WTF: Al Davis offered Knapp the HC job before he then offered it to lane Kiffin. What is it with USC assistant coaches?
The vote on DOA is still out I believe. Not so for Knapp, Pollack & Hoffman. Those guys should be gone, sooner better than later.
If Dennis Allen doesn’t survive then I’d want Shaw from Stanford, Kelly from Oregon or possibly Mora from UCLA. I’d rather stick with DOA as Co-HC-Defense and assign Al Saunders as Co-HC-Offense. I’d bring Wylie & wiz 1.0 back as O-line coaches & Mike Wauffle as D-line coach. Finding another “Bones” Fassell for STC would be helpful too. That would be a good start.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
D-Moore looked extremely disinterested in being out there.
Very disappointing, I thought he had more character then that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 pm
I went to the game hoping to win,…didnt happen,…will be there Thursday night.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Playoffs??? Don’t talk to me about — playoffs??? Are you kidding me, Steve?
Playoffs? I’m just hoping we win another game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:05 pm
the whole team is disinterested…theyve quit on DA…and reggie. cant treat grown men like that….
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Compare this 3-8 effort at home, to the 3-8 effort we had 3 years ago in Pittsburgh.
No quit in that Cable coached team, and Bruce and Lou Murph and others looked motivated to at least fight back.
This team fought about as much as De La Hoya did in his last fights. Just going throw the motions, eager to talk to the press afterwards, put on a good face and hit the bank manana.
Boooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I wouldn’t want a coach or a player on my team that didn’t care to win every game possible…
We already have a team that knows how to lose…. They need to start learning how to win…
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
My parlay card was perfect today Vegas,..0-4.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
D-Moore, formerly known as D-WOW!, will hereby be referred to, until further notice, as D-Less. He’s earned that title.
Thanks to whomever came up with that moniker earlier. Very appropriate.
DHB has solidified & locked up the #4 WR slot with Streeter & Criner bring up the #5 & #6 WR spots. Darek Hagen has not been assigned a slot as they never seem to play him so he will be known as the joker.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
How many times did we watch Richardson get stacked up initially, then our whole secondary just stood there next to the pile, unwilling to stick their nose in and not let him push for 3-4 yards?
Or watch Burris come in and peal off his own players from the pile?
Not sure anyone can coach that out of these clowns.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Playoffs??? Don’t talk to me about — playoffs??? Are you kidding me, Steve?
Playoffs? I’m just hoping we win another game.
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Yea. Lmao. ‘Run at a Super Bowl title’. WTF! Apparently we suck in 7 facets of the game. Offense. Defense. Special teams. Mannagement. Coaching. Talent. And PRESS. The Boston Red Sox had a better shot at making a Super Bowl run than the FING Raiders. And yea, I realize they r a baseball team.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
righttttttt Costas….both Belcher & his GF would be alive if he didn’t have a gun…hahahahahahaha…..what a line of jew media bu77cr@p….HE would of just STABBED her 9 times instead you fool……murder its what THEY do best!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
theres hope for you jfb…at least you are now seeing how bad burriss really is…taking his own players out.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
My biggest Gripe has to be missed tackling and Blown coverages……
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Tony Romo shows how stats are sometimes meaningless. He just broke Aikman’s record for most TD passes by a Cowboy.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:13 pm
burris looked good until he actually had to make a tackle
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I’m confused.
People here are MAD after this loss.
Yet the same people want D(0)A gone.
If that’s what you want then you MUST WANT more short term humiliation like this.
As a bonus, total tankage (which we are only midway through) WILL yield better picks in April.
Continuing this dumpster-fire caliber of play WILL exacerbate the coaching AND player exodus.
Win-Win-Win
You WANT to see 3-13.
Here’s to a successful 9-game IMPLOSION…
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:02 pm
D-Moore looked extremely disinterested in being out there.
Very disappointing, I thought he had more character then that. ========================= HAHAHAHA…ARE YOU KIDDING???…THAT SUBHUMAN SPECIES HAS NO CHARACTER…OR CULTURE…OR RESPECT….OR BRAINS……WAKE UP
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:15 pm
at least you are now seeing how bad burriss really is…
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I am here to take my lumps on being wrong on plenty of parts for our team, Palmer especially.
But not Burris. Been railing on him for months now.
He just isn’t any good. Not sure how you are going to convince me he is going to become a good NFL starting LB. He could emerge as a depth guy I guess.
But Burris would be on the Browns PS. They would have no reps for him at LB.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:15 pm
“In the interim, Allen appointed offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as the coach to oversee practice during his absence.”
F me.
Fire Allen and Knapp and bring back Gruden or Jackson.
Get rid of Palmer and play Pryor or get a QB who can run. You can’t win in the NFL with a stationary QB.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
We need to run the wheels off McFadden to improve his trade value.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
winning now will just confuse the issue.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Of our draft picks this year, Bilukidi is the only one I think who could turn into a quality NFL starter.
Criner could be a #3 WR, and Streater looks good, but he wasn’t a draft pick.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
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December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Lol
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Mistic is conspicuously absent. I hope he’s OK.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Lebron James’ Verizon commercials make me want to commit homicide.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
yeah burriss is a ps player at best….i dont know what krappy has on DA but he just promoted him to hc…eff me…this will never end.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
“That man is such a bore” John F Kennedy said that about J. Edgar hoover…I think he would have said that about Dennis Allen too.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
good point!
so long as he gets yards and oak still goes 3-13 of course….
I want that top pick! (and D0A gone)
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# Just Win Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
We need to run the wheels off McFadden to improve his trade value.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 pm
26… This team couldn’t possibly be more confusing ..
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Burris was a 4th round pick. We can’t expect him to be great. Maybe he hit the rookie wall.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:56 pm
ten and then….
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Then what, 20 and then? At this blazing pace we’ll be lucky for 25 and then. Stunning. Simply stunning.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
303Raider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Just watched DA’s pressedr, Dude has no clue, says the same crap.
All of you that keep saying Hue was 1-4 downt the stretch just don’t get it. We lost to a great GB team on the road, we always lose to Miami. We won a tough KC gma e and lost 2 games vs Detroit and SD that we were very competitive in, the defense lost us the playoffs. It was Hues first year, he dealt with Al Dying and never got a full training camp. He should get extra credit for taking this talent to 8-8.
Yes, our talent is lacking but Reggie really screwed up by Firing Hue Jackson, I mean Mark Davis, screwed that up……..
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm
McFadden needs a coach to put a boot in his ass when his foot/ankle/toe/heel “hurts.”
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:22 pm
never expected him to be great…but a lot of peeps on here proclaimed him great up to now…
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:22 pm
The Raiders, 3-9, looked to be putting themselves in position for a chance to steal the game in the fourth quarter until Carson Palmer threw a deep sideline pass to Juron Criner that was intercepted by Sheldon Brown at the 6-yard line.
The Raiders maneuvered to the Cleveland 33-yard line and had a first-and-10 when Palmer took a shot at Criner.
But instead of putting the ball high and toward the outside where only Criner could get it, Palmer’s pass was underthrown and to the inside, making it an easy interception for Brown with 9:31 remaining.
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this is what Palmer is known for. He’ll throw for a bunch of yards & TD’s every year, but he’s not a winner.
WAY too many turnovers to be considered acceptable in my eyes!!
It’s amazing to me that Raider fans still give this guy ZERO blame for the losses and want to build the team around him
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Bring back Gruden.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Reggie may have screwed up hiring Dennis Allen. We don’t know yet. But, he didn’t screw up firing Hue. It was the right decision.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Should have never fired Cable.
He got the team to play with fire when you wouldn’t think they would.
They wouldn’t have went 1-4 down the stretch last year, and certainly wouldn’t be 3-9 this year.
And no way would he have hitched his wagon to a sad sack, woe is me QB like Carson Palmer.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Ok…
So who of the 53 has real value?
Of those, who do we keep and who do we trade?
(The remaining hot garbage can just leave the building.)
Give your explanations for both lists..
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Bring back Gruden.
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Why would he want to come back to this dumpster fire? Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see him back though.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
oh we know reggie screwed up hiring DA…
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
The Eagles are still fighting because they benched Vick. It’s time for Pryor.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
We need to take a real hard look at Geno Smith in his bowl game and in the Senior Bowl if he plays in it.
Too bad Geno’s defense was so pathetic, he won’t play anyone worthwhile in his bowl game.
But we need a QB, and he certainly will be available when we pick.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Ok…
So who of the 53 has real value?
Of those, who do we keep and who do we trade?
(The remaining hot garbage can just leave the building.)
Give your explanations for both lists..
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The guys we have left play hard. I thought our defense looked better without McClain.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Mistic is conspicuously absent. I hope he’s OK.
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Ahhhhh, you’re just waiting to blame this loss on him, aren’t you little fkr?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Bob Marley Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Post of the day:
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Raider Riff Says:
Why even suit up players?
Just have the coaches play XBox against each other.
The players have nothing to do with it according to y’all.
Hell, I dont know why you watch the game. The stat line is all you care about. You probably just watch the game from your cell phone.
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Chris in NY Says:
I don’t think anyone is absolving the players or looking forward to seeing the same 53 out there next year, whether DA and company stay or go.
When the coaching staff is the only major change from 16-16 when we showed promise to 3-9 and looking like something between the Shell and Kiffin eras, the coaches are going to take a lot of heat.
It sounds like you take the opposite approach though and think the coaches don’t add or subtract anything from a team’s performance.
So why not just put a hat and sunglasses on a broomstick and trot that out there as the Raiders head coach and save a few mil in salary?.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
What a disaster. Even some of you know-it-alls that “predicted this” couldn’t have imagined it going this bad. We are on the fast track to 4-12, and could even be in contention for the #1 overall pick.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Hire gruden give him whatever he wants!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Should have never fired Cable.
He got the team to play with fire when you wouldn’t think they would.
They wouldn’t have went 1-4 down the stretch last year, and certainly wouldn’t be 3-9 this year.
And no way would he have hitched his wagon to a sad sack, woe is me QB like Carson Palmer.
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I’m sure Cable would have loved to have Palmer over JC and Gradkowski.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Pryor likely will start Thursday night,..just a feeling I got while hangin with Reggie on the sidelines today.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Bring back Gruden.
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Why would he want to come back to this dumpster fire? Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see him back though.
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I can think of a million reasons.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm
McFadden needs a coach to put a boot in his ass when his foot/ankle/toe/heel “hurts.”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I really hope we dump McFadden. Even though it will be the 4th raider jersey I will have to retire in two years (Nhamdi, Wimbley, and yes, FING Suspendo). Bit it’ll be worth it. We had a fullback and a UDFA both look better than McFadden did in any game all year. At least when Bo played 8 games a year he actually produced.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
To the “no talent crew”.
Everyone knows there are no gimmes in the NFL, it’s a struggle to win every sunday vs any given team.
This team, with lesser QB play, won 16 games the last 2 years and has regressed badly under the new Coaching staff.
That is an undeniable fact and so is that a better coaching staff would have this very same team fighting for a wildcard spot in the playoffs.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Reggie restructured Palmers contract so he makes 15 mil next year. I believe its all guaranteed , so no way Reggie gives TP6 a chance. Another move by reggie that makes you scratch your head if we were rebuilding. Add how he handled Seymour , Branch, and Briesel and you have to wonder if he is capable.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Mistic is conspicuously absent. I hope he’s OK.
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Ahhhhh, you’re just waiting to blame this loss on him, aren’t you little fkr?
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What? How could anyone blame this loss on Mistic? He’s not part of the team. Are you drunk again?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
The Eagles are still fighting because they benched Vick. It’s time for Pryor.
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I agree. Play Houdini already. He’s much better equipped to play behind this line than Palmer is. Time to start evaluating for the future.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
The Eagles are still fighting because they benched Vick. It’s time for Pryor.
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Pryor should have been running the wildcat since game one.
Allen and Knapp are idiots.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Post of the day.
Raider Riff Says:
Why even suit up players?
Just have the coaches play XBox against each other.
The players have nothing to do with it according to y’all.
Hell, I dont know why you watch the game. The stat line is all you care about. You probably just watch the game from your cell phone.
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Chris in NY Says:
I don’t think anyone is absolving the players or looking forward to seeing the same 53 out there next year, whether DA and company stay or go.
When the coaching staff is the only major change from 16-16 when we showed promise to 3-9 and looking like something between the Shell and Kiffin eras, the coaches are going to take a lot of heat.
It sounds like you take the opposite approach though and think the coaches don’t add or subtract anything from a team’s performance.
So why not just put a hat and sunglasses on a broomstick and trot that out there as the Raiders head coach and save a few mil in salary?.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
So who of the 53 has real value?
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Real value as in trade value?
I’m sure we can get something for Carson, although it is decreasing by the minute.
McNinny might fetch us a 2013 4th rounder, or a 2016 2nd rounder.
Used to think Sho-”nasty” had some, but he just played an entire game without even an assisted tackle or QB pressure.
WTF was he doing all game?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
where are you getting 4-12? more like 3-13
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Bring back Gruden.
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Why would he want to come back to this dumpster fire? Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see him back though.
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I can think of a million reasons.
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And they would be?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Pryor likely will start Thursday night,..just a feeling I got while hangin with Reggie on the sidelines today.
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LOL, you’re so full of sh*t.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Ok Reggie lovers since they always want to compare something compare this cleveland game to last year game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Cable, the guy that had to deal with JaPorkandBeans? Are you kidding me. He would have loved him some Palmer. lol.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Bring back Gruden.
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Why would he want to come back to this dumpster fire? Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see him back though.
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I can think of a million reasons.
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And they would be?
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$1,000,000
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Mistic is conspicuously absent. I hope he’s OK.
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Ahhhhh, you’re just waiting to blame this loss on him, aren’t you little fkr?
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What? How could anyone blame this loss on Mistic? He’s not part of the team. Are you drunk again?
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Wait a little longer hell be here Btch.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Chuck Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Ok Reggie lovers since they always want to compare something compare this cleveland game to last year game.
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Cleveland is a better team than they were last year. If I’m correct, the Raiders barely won that game last year.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
This team, with lesser QB play,
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That argument is losing a lot of steam with each passing week.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Bring back Gruden.
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Why would he want to come back to this dumpster fire? Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see him back though.
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I can think of a million reasons.
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And they would be?
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$1,000,000
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I was thinking more like 5-6 mil a year, but ok
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Dennis allen coached like a man that knew his time was growing short toady.
Now you see that he has left the team after his 5th straight loss, in a short week with the donks on deck.
This season is beyond laughable, allen is toast. I dont see anyway that he can keep his gig, leaving at this time. He and the team will be blown out thursday. He was aired out by davis, and big mack in the locker room and the paper. He is floundering.
I hope we take a look at trestman or kelly.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Pryor likely will start Thursday night,..just a feeling I got while hangin with Reggie on the sidelines today.
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First of all, I think we all get the point that you say you were on the sidelines and allegedly hung out w RM. you’ve said it at least 20 times on 3 different threads. We get it, your delusional.
Secondly, I sure hope not. I really doubt he’s ready. But if he does, it would be poetic justice if Pryor had a coming out party and Tebowed the Donks like they did to us last year. Won’t happen tho. We suck, our coaches suck and r not nearly as smart as John Fox and the Donks have clinched after just 3 quarters of a season, so they won’t care if he does.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
This team, with lesser QB play,
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That argument is losing a lot of steam with each passing week.
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Tell us again how explosive the Knapp offense would be……………please.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Bring back Gruden.
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Why would he want to come back to this dumpster fire? Don’t get me wrong, I would love to see him back though.
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I can think of a million reasons.
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And they would be?
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$1,000,000
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I was thinking more like 5-6 mil a year, but ok
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You are correct.
I would do it right now, if I were Mark Davis.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
It’s just going to be another soup sandwich on Thursday nite against Denver…ugh.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Cleveland is a better team than they were last year.
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Brandon Weeden and Trent Richardson are a massive upgrade over Colt McCoy and whoever the hell was their RB last season.
We also played them earlier enough in the season to have both a healthy Jacoby Ford and McFadden.
Got to catch those guys before the leaves change.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
“It’s like it’s the same — can’t stop the run, can’t stop the pass,” Huff said. “Things just aren’t going well on defense. Right now, I guess we’re just a bad defense. We can’t really hide it. At this point, the numbers don’t really allow it. We’re just bad right now.”
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truth!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Albert,..I was on the sidelines today with Reggie and Mark,..and Morris,..you werent.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
To the “no talent crew”.
Everyone knows there are no gimmes in the NFL, it’s a struggle to win every sunday vs any given team.
This team, with lesser QB play, won 16 games the last 2 years and has regressed badly under the new Coaching staff.
That is an undeniable fact and so is that a better coaching staff would have this very same team fighting for a wildcard spot in the playoffs.
By the way, due to injuries Trevor Scott started today for the Pats and had 2 sacks, we could have used his pass-rushing skills on this team but we let him go and paid more to Tollefson who I never notice in games.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Manning will have 300 yds by halftime, and DA will be scribbling furiously on his laminated play card with a red sharpie.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Reggie playing the excuses by week 12 Lready qualifies as a FAIL…
“Ted Thompson got Woodson his rookie yr as GM”
“wouldn’t wish this cap situation on anyone”
Wah wah wah..
If you didn’t know the situation when you took the job, you are a moron.
If you did know, and took the job, then shut your trap and make it better.
So far, your “Draft Wizardry” is not too apparent.
You 1st pick,in the 3rd round hasn’t hardly played and doesn’t look like a world beater when he has…no one else you’ve picked has had much impact or even suited up.
Looking more and more like you weren’t the right guy for this job, just like you weren’t right for ANY GM job in the league…but hey, at least you got your brother a decent paying gig.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
anyone know cp3 qb rating in the first quarter this year
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp are the most unimaginative coaches I have ever seen.
Nothing interesting, nothing clever…..
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Albert cleveland still sucks and they got a late onside kick to make the game close plus we had Kyle boller.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Albert,..I was on the sidelines today with Reggie and Mark,..and Morris,..you werent.
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Where is your proof? Any pics?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
i wonder which one of the semis in here is actually Hue Jackson
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
You guys seem pissed we arent 4-8…ok we are 3-9…big difference?…maybe in your world…not mine,…I see the big picture,…you guys wanted to be 4-8,…I never did,…I was on the sidelines today with Reggie and Mark and Morris,…what were you doing today Albert?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Chuck Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Albert cleveland still sucks and they got a late onside kick to make the game close plus we had Kyle boller.
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Raiders won with a 101 yard KO return by Ford and a fake field goal.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
“In the interim, Allen appointed offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as the coach to oversee practice during his absence.” = Rock bottom.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Said this before and I’ll repeat it. The Raiders have been mired in mediocrity so long that when players like Moore or Burris come along and show a little promise, we fans immediately proclaim them “the next coming.” Then when reality sets in, we’re disappointed that they didn’t live up to these unattainable expectations. Go figure!
This problem will only go away after a protracted effort over several years to build a decent roster from the ground up. Bless Al Davis for all he did for the Raiders, the AFL, and the NFL, but Al left the Raiders with an awful roster mess
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Carson Palmer now officially has a worse winning % as a Raider starter than Gradkowski had.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Beat by the Cleveland Browns, at HOME???????
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Palmer would have done real well with Hue here another season. Hue had a feel for his personnel. knapp is not a players coach. I’ll bet this short week of practice is going to feel like waste of time. Thursday night will be very telling. DA should stay in Texas to avoid any more humiliation. Let knapp suck it all in. He’s earned it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
You guys seem pissed we arent 4-8…ok we are 3-9…big difference?…maybe in your world…not mine,…I see the big picture,…you guys wanted to be 4-8,…I never did,…I was on the sidelines today with Reggie and Mark and Morris,…what were you doing today Albert?
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I was watching the game with John Madden and Ken Stabler.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
“In the interim, Allen appointed offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as the coach to oversee practice during his absence.” = Rock bottom.
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Shouldn’t your screen name be 3-13?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Pics Albert?…only about 50
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Maybe Allen won’t come back and Knapp will be the coach for the rest of the season.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Beat by the Cleveland Browns, at HOME???????
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Simply breathtaking.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Brandon weeden had his first good game of the season you guys never admit failure we suck.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Bob Marley Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
To the “no talent crew”.
Everyone knows there are no gimmes in the NFL, it’s a struggle to win every sunday vs any given team.
This team, with lesser QB play, won 16 games the last 2 years and has regressed badly under the new Coaching staff.
That is an undeniable fact and so is that a better coaching staff would have this very same team fighting for a wildcard spot in the playoffs.
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Holla!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Albert,..the problem youre having is you live in a made up world,..I was living it today…sorry man.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Instant upgrade?!?!/!
Palmer is a mess and wheels have come off completely. Please give the ball to TP6!!!!
I cant take another minute of this putrid trash!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Bob, let’s see them.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Bob Marley Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
To the “no talent crew”.
Everyone knows there are no gimmes in the NFL, it’s a struggle to win every sunday vs any given team.
This team, with lesser QB play, won 16 games the last 2 years and has regressed badly under the new Coaching staff.
That is an undeniable fact and so is that a better coaching staff would have this very same team fighting for a wildcard spot in the playoffs.
By the way, due to injuries Trevor Scott started today for the Pats and had 2 sacks, we could have used his pass-rushing skills on this team but we let him go and paid more to Tollefson who I never notice in games.
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THIS IS NOT THE SAME TEAM!!! 27 of the 53 players from last year are no longer on the team.
HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND????
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
87.nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
anyone know cp3 qb rating in the first quarter this year
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69.8, and I don’t think that includes today.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/4459/carson-palmer
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Carson Palmer now officially has a worse winning % as a Raider starter than Gradkowski had.
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That’s on the OC.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Talent is making a catch…. A Block… A Tackle….stopping a runner…. Defending a pass…. Not committing penalties …..The Raiders lack that……… Talent… Not nearly enough….. Nothing stays the same and the whole worlds moved on from last years 8/8 teams… Except a few that think because they were last year then they should be this year… Doesn’t work like that
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
54 passes and 16 runs?!?!?!
We were averaging 5+ YPC?!?!?
Don’t blame the coaches. Blame the talent?!?!
You Monkeys are retarded!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Kirk Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 pm
“In the interim, Allen appointed offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as the coach to oversee practice during his absence.” = Rock bottom.
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Shouldn’t your screen name be 3-13?
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LOL not a bad idea. It’s in honor of Art Shell
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Post your email here Albert,..I will send you a few.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Chris in NY Says:
So why not just put a hat and sunglasses on a broomstick and trot that out there as the Raiders head coach and save a few mil in salary?.
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I think we’ve tried that a couple of times.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:43 pm
We’ve won three games,,, Barely beat Pitt with two best players out at home and beat the only two teams in NFL with worse records than us…… POORLY COACHED and Poorly evaluated team
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 pm
87.nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
anyone know cp3 qb rating in the first quarter this year
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69.8, and I don’t think that includes today.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/4459/carson-palmer
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thxs..very interesting and this is part of our problem. slow starts have killed us all year..
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
At least for today… The other 3 and 8 team had more talent… They’re 4 and 8 now …
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Post your email here Albert,..I will send you a few.
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cbm7484@yahoo.com
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If it’s true, I will apologize for ever doubting you.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Raider O Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
54 passes and 16 runs?!?!?!
We were averaging 5+ YPC?!?!?
Don’t blame the coaches. Blame the talent?!?!
You Monkeys are retarded!
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Was thinking the same while watching the game. Stewart was running pretty well. Why all the passing? Greg Knapp needs to be ridden out of here on the short bus!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 pm
VanHeathen30 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Reggie playing the excuses by week 12 Lready qualifies as a FAIL…
“Ted Thompson got Woodson his rookie yr as GM”
“wouldn’t wish this cap situation on anyone”
Wah wah wah..
If you didn’t know the situation when you took the job, you are a moron.
If you did know, and took the job, then shut your trap and make it better.
So far, your “Draft Wizardry” is not too apparent.
You 1st pick,in the 3rd round hasn’t hardly played and doesn’t look like a world beater when he has…no one else you’ve picked has had much impact or even suited up.
Looking more and more like you weren’t the right guy for this job, just like you weren’t right for ANY GM job in the league…but hey, at least you got your brother a decent paying gig.
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Yeah, Rallo got a pro personnel job after a being an assistant HS football coach….Great “Modern” hire there Shreg!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
That’s on the OC.
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Not at all.
Knapp called a good enough game to win.
Carson did not play a good enough game to win. He got outplayed by a rookie.
The WR’s were so badly outplayed by the Browns WR’s, it’s not even debatable.
Knapp may get fired, and probably should be as part of the housecleaning, but at least today, was not on him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
You should have them Albert.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
We’re always starting slow because other teams are much better coached and better period, we only play well in second half because other team is coasting
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
No apoligies needed,..Im not into that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
335.Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
When there is no leadership the people wander……take a good look at the Raiders…
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Most posters in here are OK with so-called Leader Richard Seymour missing practice all week every week when he is healthy. I get a kick out of Steve’s Wednesday posts headlines of “Seymour not practicing.” A real story is when Seymour actually practice.
I don’t give a crap how much he makes or how much guaranteed he is owed. If I’m HC I don’t want that punk in my locker room. He’s got three rings. Who gives a crap. I’d send that punk home permanently to go play with his Tree.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Keepers (good players AND not a ton of trade value…yet)
1. Criner
2. Streater
3. D-Moore (yes bad year but he gets one more yr)
4. Veld
5. Wiz (mostly on name recognition/blood lines…he needs to step u to get past 2013 imo)
6. jano
7. burris
8. marcel reece (duh)
9. 99
10. cristo
11. bryant
12. pryor (unless he is a disaster in last 4 games)
13. jones (ditto above)
14. maybe wheeler too
15. maybe ford esp for return game but im also thinking too mcglass like…
Thats it…
Trade: (read: get what we can get not delusional al expectations)
1. mcglass (run him wild in garbage time last 4 weeks)
2. huff (i actually like him. hes a pro. manned up at cb too….just too old and
3. palmer (i dont blame him as much as many here do. clearly hes not the biggest problem we have…BUT…he has blown 3 games now and has a big gambler streak that often has come to burn us at THEE worst time imaginable (see atl, tb and today)..that said…we are 0-12 without him)…still he has value esp to a real contender…trade…eat some of his salary if we have to…i esp like this move if we like pryor OR we pick 1-2 or 3 in draft and can get a young qb)
4. suspendo…thoughg its more likely hes just a cut….hes 23 tho and someone will blame oak vs thinking he sux…could be a good ILB pickup…maybe…get a 6-7th if u can
thats it we are out of talent…no one wants seymore for a pick..same with TK or anyone else…we should have traded lechler this yr…yes as good as gone in 13 (fine with me…think he has had 547 touchbacks this yr..awful)
everyone else can go…shlaytor!!
any others have any opinions on this?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
15mm yr pays to replace Cooper Briesel and Barnes with NFL quality lineman
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Burris was a 4th round pick. We can’t expect him to be great. Maybe he hit the rookie wall.
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Burris’s claim to fame is his PASS RUSHING. Look at his highlight reel…it’s all u see.
You never really see him even try to rush in this defense.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
I don’t disagree that the coaching a bad…. But talent and coaching are two different subjects …. This teams has weak talent being poorly coached…
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
54 passes and 16 runs against the browns who scored 20 points?!?!?!
Does that make any sense?!?!
Then you have idiots who want to blame the WRs and execution, and DA is one of them.
Fire the Titty Monkey! I’m sick of his excuses.
Titty monkey, why don’t you bench your OC? 54 passes and 16 runs?!?!
What a retard!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
“I would expect both of those guys to be able to play on Thursday night,” Allen said. “We tested them out. They just weren’t quite ready to go. I’d hope they’d be ready for Thursday night.”
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What was the Test? Did they have to run a 4.2 forty?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
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December 2nd, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Time to clean house again,, RM DA don’t get it and there is no sense in giving them the time to learn it. If neither has figured it out by now they never will.. MAKE JIMMY JOHNSON GM!!!!!!!!!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 pm
The ZBS opened up plenty of holes today to run through, but the guys running through it are an undrafted FA rookie, and a collegiate WR turned converted FB, turned converted RB.
Those cupboards are bare.
Another season wasted on hoping McFadden would “emerge”.
He has emerged. As officially worthless.
Trent Richardson might not miss as many games as Darren did in 2012 and 2013 in his whole 10 year career.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Bob, I apologize for not believing you. Funny thing is, you look just how I picture you.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 pm
The Eagles are still fighting because they benched Vick. It’s time for Pryor.==================== WRONG….the Eagles NOW have a REAL QB…a QB that is SMART…a QB that is not a DEGENERATE ANIMAL KILLER…they now have a WINNER at QB.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 pm
The run was working… Can’t believe a pass play was called on 1st down on Carson’s int…..
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
That’s on the OC.
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Not at all.
Knapp called a good enough game to win.
Carson did not play a good enough game to win. He got outplayed by a rookie.
The WR’s were so badly outplayed by the Browns WR’s, it’s not even debatable.
Knapp may get fired, and probably should be as part of the housecleaning, but at least today, was not on him.
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Knapp called a good enough game to win?!?!
WTF were you watching?
54 passes and 15 runs?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Mcfadden might play thursday? Not buying it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
16 runs
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
I’d send that punk home permanently to go play with his Tree.
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I heard the tree draws him offsides occasionally.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
All good dude,..I was with both Reg and Mark on the sidelines today…again thursday night…come by our tailgate,..meet Brien and me,..we are the Nation.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
That’s on the OC.
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Not at all.
Knapp called a good enough game to win.
Carson did not play a good enough game to win. He got outplayed by a rookie.
The WR’s were so badly outplayed by the Browns WR’s, it’s not even debatable.
Knapp may get fired, and probably should be as part of the housecleaning, but at least today, was not on him.
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Palmer played against a tough Browns defense.
Weeden played against one of the worst of all time.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm
McFadden needs a coach to put a boot in his ass when his foot/ankle/toe/heel “hurts.”
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I really hope we dump McFadden. Even though it will be the 4th raider jersey I will have to retire in two years (Nhamdi, Wimbley, and yes, FING Suspendo). Bit it’ll be worth it. We had a fullback and a UDFA both look better than McFadden did in any game all year. At least when Bo played 8 games a year he actually produced.
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Hahahhaha, “Suspendo”. I haven’t heard that one yet.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
I was a little surprised Im bigger then Reggie,…taller anyway. I will say this,…Reggie is a great guy,..the Raiders are in good hands.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Albert,..the problem youre having is you live in a made up world,..I was living it today…sorry man============
Back in Tahoe already, inside man?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Knapp called a good enough game to win?!?!
WTF were you watching?
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A team in FG range to tie with 9 minutes to go, only to be derailed by an inexplicable INT.
Also saw tons of dropped passes, guys not breaking any tackles, and constant low throws from the QB with no chance of YAC.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Raider O Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
54 passes and 16 runs?!?!?!
We were averaging 5+ YPC?!?!?
Don’t blame the coaches. Blame the talent?!?!
You Monkeys are retarded!
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Was thinking the same while watching the game. Stewart was running pretty well. Why all the passing? Greg Knapp needs to be ridden out of here on the short bus!
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It’s still talent. And coaching. And management. It’s everything. And yea, abandoning the run really sucked. I hope someone from the press calls knapp out on that on Monday. For the first time all year we looked good on the ground.
Maybe Reggie made a call to the sidelines and reminded DA not to F up the first overall pick for 2013? Of course the year we suck the most the draft class is mediocre. Saw a post earlier about the rams getting buckets of picks for their first overall. Even of we get first overall we won’t get nearly that good a trade value for it. I doubt teams will be tripping all over themselves to move to number 1 overall this year. I just hope we don’t F that up too.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Raider(since1967)
★★★★★★★
Dudes fell asleep a while ago after pizzahut, and when I woke up
I said. Is this a nightmare or what? We lost and tomorrow is
Monday
GOD, when are going to dump this $hit guys?
Pryor the rest of the games, “”SO WE CAN SEE YOU NOW DAMMIT ”
PUT THOSE THAT BEHAVE GOOD AND GIVE THEM A GOLD STAR AND TAKE
THEM ON A FIELD TRIP TO THE ZOO!
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Knapp called a good enough game to win?!?!
WTF were you watching?
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A team in FG range to tie with 9 minutes to go, only to be derailed by an inexplicable INT.
Also saw tons of dropped passes, guys not breaking any tackles, and constant low throws from the QB with no chance of YAC.
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We wouldn’t have so many drops and that INT if we ran the ball more than 16 times. You are a finance monkey, so you know odds.
54 passes and 16 runs.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 pm
To all of us that prayed Greg Knapp would no longer be the Raiders’ OC, our prayers have been answered. He’s been promoted to interim head coach. Whoever said, “God doesn’t have sense of humor.”
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Mistic1thesupavillian Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Albert,..the problem youre having is you live in a made up world,..I was living it today…sorry man============
Back in Tahoe already, inside man?
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It’s true. I saw the pictures.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Bob, I live in Chicago. Hopefully I can make it to a game next year. My sister lives in Alameda.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:58 pm
No, not back in Tahoe yet,..stayin in Fair Oaks tonight,..for those not in the know,..American River.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
My sister said she saw KoolKell cleaning up pasta sauce at Safeway.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Morilla Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
2-14 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm
McFadden needs a coach to put a boot in his ass when his foot/ankle/toe/heel “hurts.”
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I really hope we dump McFadden. Even though it will be the 4th raider jersey I will have to retire in two years (Nhamdi, Wimbley, and yes, FING Suspendo). Bit it’ll be worth it. We had a fullback and a UDFA both look better than McFadden did in any game all year. At least when Bo played 8 games a year he actually produced.
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Hahahhaha, “Suspendo”. I haven’t heard that one yet.
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And it’s mine. I want credit for it! Haha.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Albert,..all these local fools here are just talk,…you come to a game let me hook you up,..I got killer tix, and killer connections,…Iv hooked up a few from this blog,…love doing it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Mistic1thesupavillian Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:53 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Albert,..the problem youre having is you live in a made up world,..I was living it today…sorry man============
Back in Tahoe already, inside man?
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It’s true. I saw the pictures.
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There’s a back story to this isn’t there?
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
I will not make the arguement anyone from our coaching staff needs to stay.
But nobody is getting Carson Palmer to lead them to the playoffs. He has one of the worst winning % of any QB over the last few years.
Multiple coaches, multiple OC’s, couple of teams.
A bunch of stats, TD passes when down by 2 scores, followed inevitably by the late back-breaking INT and the who farted face.
F that guy.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Que the over used excuses, “he is the best player on the team”. “carson isnt the problem”.
do any carson worshipers remain able to make a case for this loser, throwing games away, week after week? 7-15 with 36 turn overs?!?!?!
You could set your watch to it. Carson falls behind, mounts a comeback, throws game ending pick/ Only to follow all of that with a worthless stats stuffer td at the end.
End this now,Carson must hit the bench and give all of your attention time and resources to TP6!!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
83.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Albert,..I was on the sidelines today with Reggie and Mark,..and Morris,..you werent.
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I’ll bet anything you were the guy a couple years ago who supplied the hot dogs to Sanchez on the sidelines as well. Nice pinstripes hat.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Chico,
Eff them all!
Coaches & Players!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:01 pm
LMAO! Just Fire Baby says Knapp called a great game!…Yes, outstanding balance…Hey we scored 10 points…oh wait I forgot the garbage TD.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Ya ok 504,..whatever gets you through the day.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Mistic:
I am definitely up forgiving TP6 a shot.. esp now…
Dut dude you need to tamp down teh expectations and the !!!!!!!!!!!
This hype reminds me of all the SCREAMS to see TUI!!!!!
Yeah, that didn’t work out so well….
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:03 pm
The players gotta execute.
Sincerely,
Tom Walsh
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
So much for throwing players off the practice field. I bet the players could barley hold in their laughter, as allen screamed at romac with his voice cracking like peter brady. Romac went face to face and d.a threw him out. Romac stormed off and da followed with a swishing sound from his urine soaked socks.
Nobody cares about this dude, not the gm not the owner not the players.
Move over mioke white, this guy is that bad
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Why dont you guys ask Brien if Im friends with Amy Trask?…the fact is her and I talk almost daily. Brien might very soon be working for the Raiders,…see kids, (Chevy Chase voice), we are part of the Raider family, and you arent.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Raiders must win at least two divisional games.
As much as I would like to have a higher draft choice in the first round; let’s finish ahead of San Diego for 2nd place, and narrow the cumulative overall losing record against Kansas City.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Having KNAPP run ops while Allen is gone is telling the fans that DA knows better than we do and that KNAPP is the right guy for the job…And DA should know more,,,but HE DOESN’T and that SUX
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Most of the players and ALL of the COACHES need to be EXECUTED….
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:05 pm
JonGruden2013… you’re killing it bro with the Reggie lovE. “I just got that feeling standing there on the sideline with him” lol “he even let my wife wear his sb ring” lol you’re bragging because another man let “your ” wife touch his ring??? You sound like a max groupie my friend… thats not a good look. That level of admiration is for the h0e’s.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
FIRE AMY TRASK TOO SHE SUX,,,,,,
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Just Fire Baby says Knapp called a great game!…
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F U, never said that.
I said he called a good enough game to win, which he did.
DHB drops a pass that was a nice split-finger from Carson, then Carson takes a horrible sack on 3rd down, then the coaching staff doesn’t try to kick a 58 yard FG for whatever reason.
Cost us 3 points. INT cost us points. Dropped balls cost us points. Not lining up properly cost us points.
This isn’t an either or thing. No worthwhile OC is going to come here to have Carson Palmer make or break whether he gets a better job again.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Reggie doesnt have a ring,..it was Morris Bradshaws,..try research fool.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Raider (since1967)
★★★★★★★
REGGIE said– He is making a list of the GOOD, the BAD, and the UGLY
HE will stay with the GOOD PLAYERS he said.
The BAD and the UGLY he will send to McCLAIN’ and ROLANDO he said
Said will use them in TARGET PRACTICE !
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Sad thing is, we’ll be on national television Thursday. Good thing is, DA will be back and knapp won’t be the HC.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 pm
143.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
I’d send that punk home permanently to go play with his Tree.
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I heard the tree draws him offsides occasionally.
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Yeah when he’s down in a three point stance and a drop of sapp from a branch hits his nose, he jumps. Then he gets a shower of leaves falling all over him from the Tree shaking in celebration.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Bob, how do you know Amy Trask?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I will admit, I was on Reggie early,…but once he finally started taking out the trash I was on board,..and after today, talking to him,..Im on board for the long term,…Reggies our guy,…I have no worries,…todays loss meant nothing,…maybe helped,..weed out the garbage.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
54 passes.
16 RB rushes.
5.1 yards per rush.
What the heck, Knapp??
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
I met Amy years ago and was a pest long enough for her to finally give in and we are now friends,…talk almost daily…shes the backbone of the Raiders,…her and Mark and Reggie are all on the same page,…we are in great hands. Patience.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 pm
That’s on the OC.
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Not at all.
Knapp called a good enough game to win.
Carson did not play a good enough game to win. He got outplayed by a rookie.
The WR’s were so badly outplayed by the Browns WR’s, it’s not even debatable.
Knapp may get fired, and probably should be as part of the housecleaning, but at least today, was not on him.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Just lost all respect for JFB. averaging 5 yards a rush, never down more than two scores, and we abandon the run. I’ve never been one to question play calling, because unlike a lot of people here, I don’t presume to know more than the people that r paid to coach and play this game at the NFL level (even the krappiest r probably 5 times better than me), but bailing on the run today was inexcusable. All year we have been waiting for the run game to get going. And finally w McFadden going down we seemed to be getting on track. Then today felt a little like I was watching Charlie Garner and Tyrone Wheatly. Then, like everything else this season, it just FING disappeared.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I will admit, I was on Reggie early,…but once he finally started taking out the trash I was on board,..and after today, talking to him,..Im on board for the long term,…Reggies our guy,…I have no worries,…todays loss meant nothing,…maybe helped,..weed out the garbage.
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So when did he say we’re getting rid of Allen?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Dont need to do any research i wasnt referring to Reggie i was just pointing out two of your groupie quotes.lol “oh yeah you know my wife banged bo jack back in the day” haha thats how you sound buddy. Now Get the scissors and cut it out.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
I’m sure Norv Turner would consider the OC job after he is canned from another highly unsuccessful run.
So that way, we can put up slightly better stats, and find new ways to blow things at the end of games, get worse as the season goes along, and have no heart post Turkey day.
The Raiders are becoming the SuperSonics before our eyes.
No stadium, no talent, half empty attended games.
And very possibly no team soon.
Seriously.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
166.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Ya ok 504,..whatever gets you through the day.
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Just messing with you JG13. I couldn’t resist.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
54 passes.
16 RB rushes.
5.1 yards per rush.
What the heck, Knapp??
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Shhhh. Knapp called a good enough game to win but the players effed up.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I will admit, I was on Reggie early,…but once he finally started taking out the trash I was on board,..and after today, talking to him,..Im on board for the long term,…Reggies our guy,…I have no worries,…todays loss meant nothing,…maybe helped,..weed out the garbage.
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Ok, now I’m interested. Im not sure who you are, did you have a different handle? Is this true? If so how? I’m not starting sh:t, just interested in this if its true.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Bob, what did Reggie say that makes you believe Pryor is starting Thursday?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Would like to see Reece completely convert himself to running back; lose the weight he gained to play fullback, see what that extra speed will produce.
Stewart could be our Foster in 2013.
Reece could be our Charlie Garner.
Damn what Gruden would scheme with Reece starting in the backfield.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Kirk cluelessly said:
Get rid of Palmer and play Pryor or get a QB who can run. You can’t win in the NFL with a stationary QB.
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This one is to easy, but it has to be said.
There are two teams that are currently 11-1. Their QBs have run a combined (as in both, through a total of 24 games) 43 times for a whopping 90 yards. Then there’s that little game called the Super Bowl, where the most recent one had Eli vs Brady, two of the most mobile QBs in history. Denver dumps a very mobile QB named Tebow and replaces them with one of the NFLs all time most statuesque QBs and suddenly they are looking like Super Bowl contenders.
Meanwhile, the current most mobile QB in the game based on rushing attempts is RGIII’s 5-6 Redskins. The guy right behind, you know Cam, is leading a 3-9 team. The next most mobile QB, that Vick guy with the perpetual headaches, was leading his team to an impressive 3-6 record when he was hurt.
So there’s some great evidence to back up your claim. There’s a very tight correlation between running QBs and winning, only that it happens to be 180 degrees opposite from your take.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Wasn’t Palmer calling his own plays out there? Sure looked like it.
I know when things were going OK with the no-huddle earlier this year, 110% of the credit went to him and not Knapp.
If anyone abandoned the run today, it was the QB thinking he is Peyton Manning out there.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Raider(since1967)
★★★★★★★
Take him Camping with you!
What about her, well sit her on your Laps!
And Knapp? Give him a real Red One.
The Big Babboona!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
I dont know if Pryor is starting Thursday,…I just think its more possible now then ever,…however short week, only one practice,..probably not….for sure KC though.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:17 pm
KC game makes more sense.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Wasn’t Palmer calling his own plays out there? Sure looked like it.
I know when things were going OK with the no-huddle earlier this year, 110% of the credit went to him and not Knapp.
If anyone abandoned the run today, it was the QB thinking he is Peyton Manning out there.
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LMAO
Now our QB is calling the plays?!?!
Still LOL
Chico!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Morilla I was Norco Bob,..but gave up the Norcos,..however Im now back on them.,…F it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Nick Foles looks like the real deal.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Kirk cluelessly said:
Get rid of Palmer and play Pryor or get a QB who can run. You can’t win in the NFL with a stationary QB.
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This one is to easy, but it has to be said.
There are two teams that are currently 11-1. Their QBs have run a combined (as in both, through a total of 24 games) 43 times for a whopping 90 yards. Then there’s that little game called the Super Bowl, where the most recent one had Eli vs Brady, two of the most mobile QBs in history. Denver dumps a very mobile QB named Tebow and replaces them with one of the NFLs all time most statuesque QBs and suddenly they are looking like Super Bowl contenders.
Meanwhile, the current most mobile QB in the game based on rushing attempts is RGIII’s 5-6 Redskins. The guy right behind, you know Cam, is leading a 3-9 team. The next most mobile QB, that Vick guy with the perpetual headaches, was leading his team to an impressive 3-6 record when he was hurt.
So there’s some great evidence to back up your claim. There’s a very tight correlation between running QBs and winning, only that it happens to be 180 degrees opposite from your take.
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steve young, john elway, arron rodgers, roger staubach
you can win with any style qb
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Now our QB is calling the plays?!?!
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That’s what YOU PEOPLE said earlier this year when we ran that sugar huddle, always switching alignments offense.
What he isn’t now, since it isn’t working?
Stay consistant!!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Bradford beat Colin, Quinn beat Cam, Scaubb beat Locker.
Give me the statue QB, who doesn’t shoot himself in the foot in the 4th quarter.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
The final episode of Boardwalk Empire was pretty good,..I will miss Gyp Rosetti,..I loved his rage.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
LOL
I said that?!?!
I said CP ran his own plays in the no huddle?
You people are willing to say anything to help your argument.
Anymore 30+ points predictions?
GTFO
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Morilla I was Norco Bob,..but gave up the Norcos,..however Im now back on them.,…F it.
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Ah ok, you go way back right? I think before I started on here back in 07. I didn’t know you were in with the Raiders. Very cool.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
It is Pryor’s time, if Allen cannot see this then Dennis’ time has come and gone.
Raiders eliminated, short week, Denver clinched division equals perfect timing for Pryor to step in.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 pm
ok the palmer worshipers are about to get weird
peace
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Yes Morilla Im with the Raiders,..some here, like Priest, pretend to be with them,..but the truth is, hes never been to HQ in Alameda,…thats a fact.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 pm
Brien is real close to being on the Raiders payroll,..matter of time,..Amy likes his passion.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I need to catch up with Boardwalk Empire.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
again JonGruden2013…wjhen is Allen getting fired?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Geno Smith, Oakland Raiders.
Gotta build.
Convert to a 3-4 so you can get your pass rushers as “undersized” OLB in the middle rounds.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I said CP ran his own plays in the no huddle?
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Yes, in our no-huddle, it has been WIDELY reported that Palmer goes to the line with a few plays to choose from.
What, are they all passes?
No buying it. He could have just as easily switched into a running play on that 1st and 10.
Instead he dialed up more hero ball.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Why doesn’t Brien post here anymore?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Douchebag,…he will be the head coach next year,..that I can assure you of.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Bob,
Tell Brien I will pay up my debt to him on Thursday.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Geno Smith, Oakland Raiders.
Gotta build.
Convert to a 3-4 so you can get your pass rushers as “undersized” OLB in the middle rounds.
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No way. QB can wait. We need linemen.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Brien sadly has two jobs, no time for this crap,…but he was great today, we drank alot together, got high,…had some barbeque,..Brien was awesome today,…sucks to have to have two jobs, but I told him that long ago if you want to be with a high maintenence lady get used to long hours.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Ok Vegas
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Some people here might have said that. But neither Palmer nor knapp nor Allen ever admitted that to be true. I will backtrack a little tho, because Palmer was audibling a lot today, usually successfully. But most of the time as I recall he was audibling into runs or adjusting protection. So I still don’t think it was Palmer that bailed on the run. That being said, if he did, it’s a coaches job to reign him in. That’s why QBS have head sets in their helmets. So once again, coaching as much as talent or the lack thereof.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
We need linemen.
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LOL….for what, tackling the defender returning another INT better?
We need a lot of things, most importantly a leader.
A team’s leader is there QB, then MLB.
How’s that going for us?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Douchebag,…he will be the head coach next year,..that I can assure you of.
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OK thanks, there will be no need for an Oakland trip by me next year. I will just wait until they move to LA.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Now our QB is calling the plays?!?!
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That’s what YOU PEOPLE said earlier this year when we ran that sugar huddle, always switching alignments offense.
What he isn’t now, since it isn’t working?
Stay consistant!!!!
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Some people here might have said that. But neither Palmer nor knapp nor Allen ever admitted that to be true. I will backtrack a little tho, because Palmer was audibling a lot today, usually successfully. But most of the time as I recall he was audibling into runs or adjusting protection. So I still don’t think it was Palmer that bailed on the run. That being said, if he did, it’s a coaches job to reign him in. That’s why QBS have head sets in their helmets. So once again, coaching as much as talent or the lack thereof.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Hey douchebag,..you are staying away?…really?…hey I will break it to them all as softly as I can.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Why is NBC showing Romo’s wife so much. She’s not even that hot.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
That’s why QBS have head sets in their helmets
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Goes silent at 15 seconds, league mandate.
How many times were we moving things around with 8 or 9 seconds on the clock? Snapping the ball with 1 or 2 seconds?
Defenders can see that and helps them get a good jump off the snap.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I said CP ran his own plays in the no huddle?
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Yes, in our no-huddle, it has been WIDELY reported that Palmer goes to the line with a few plays to choose from.
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Liar. I never said he calls his own plays. Show me one post that says that by me. All the plays come from Knapp and that’s why I blame him.
CP has his own playbook or a selection of plays to choose (from Knapp the OC) to run in the no huddle.
Like I said, you monkeys are willing to say anything to help your argument.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
I think without saying it some people got a chance to see who really is giving up these big plays out of the LB corp. Because every single play was getting blamed on Rolando. Then I watch the film and it’s mostly the other guys, yes Wheeler and Burris. Wheeler missed several coverage assignments and Burris over runs the gap so much it’s damn sickening. Yet their names always were missing in here for any criticism.
I’m just saying….
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
We need linemen.
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LOL….for what, tackling the defender returning another INT better?
We need a lot of things, most importantly a leader.
A team’s leader is there QB, then MLB.
How’s that going for us?
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I meant D-lineman.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Hey douchebag,..you are staying away?…really?…hey I will break it to them all as softly as I can.
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OK Thanks a lot. I’m sure they will be ok with all those green seats in the crowd. They do know better. After all, they rehired Knapp-time.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
ABP
QB can wait? The single most important position in the NFL…can wait?
We’ve drafted O-line here with 1st rounders, 2nd rounders, and 3rd rounders in the last decade. Spent two high picks on them in the last TWO years.
Drafted no decent QBs.
Where’s that gotten us?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Streater, Moore, Criner, Reece, are the Raiders’ future on offense; possibly Pryor, Stewart, and Nix; all others time to go.
Trade Meyers while his value is at his highest peak.
Defensively, trade any and all DL, Houston also is at peak trade value.
Hopefully we resign Wheeler, Burris is worth keeping, need to commit to 3-4, if we’re going to; not talented enough to be a hybrid.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Priest, at least Wheeler and Burris aren’t lazy and act like morons.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
I said CP ran his own plays in the no huddle?
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Yes, in our no-huddle, it has been WIDELY reported that Palmer goes to the line with a few plays to choose from.
What, are they all passes?
No buying it. He could have just as easily switched into a running play on that 1st and 10.
Instead he dialed up more hero ball.
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And btw, yea there should have been a lot more running. But the actual pick was not a bad call, just a bad throw. There’s nothing wrong w taking a shot from the 30 on first down, especially when we had all the momentum. Of he makes that pass, we win. Period. Idc if there was 8 minutes left. It was over. But it wasn’t a bad call, just a piss poor pass.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
WHy is Burris worth keeping? If DVD & Barksdale weren’t why is Burris?..Oh wait…”My guy”
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Like I said, you monkeys are willing to say anything to help your argument
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There is no argument here.
We were in position to tie the game at worst, and our QB threw a horrible pass.
We could have established the run the next play on 2nd and 10 or 1st and goal, with any type of better pass.
Never got the chance. We got the who farted face.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
ABP
QB can wait? The single most important position in the NFL…can wait?
We’ve drafted O-line here with 1st rounders, 2nd rounders, and 3rd rounders in the last decade. Spent two high picks on them in the last TWO years.
Drafted no decent QBs.
Where’s that gotten us?
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We have a pretty decent QB for the next couple of years. Do you want to 0-16 with a rookie QB next year, or try and fix the defense?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Douchebag theres one thing that seperates people from you and them,…and not just the billions…its the fact that you wanted to be 4-8, instead of 3-9,…that really screwed your night up didnt it?…they are into building a foundation for years and years of competing,..of being respected in the NFL again…its not easy but the right people are in charge…I saw it in their eyes,…you however, your week is shot because instead of 4-8, youre 3-9,…Im so glad Im not living in your world dude.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
We won’t have a shot at being good, honestly, until about 2014.
I’ve said this in August.
We need a QB for that time period, once Reggie and (FINALLY) legit scouts pump Pro-Bowl-caliber players into this organization.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
MaddenRaiderisadouchebag Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
WHy is Burris worth keeping? If DVD & Barksdale weren’t why is Burris?..Oh wait…”My guy”
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Burris played well the first half of the season. It’s like we have anyone better to replace him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
That’s why QBS have head sets in their helmets
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Goes silent at 15 seconds, league mandate.
How many times were we moving things around with 8 or 9 seconds on the clock? Snapping the ball with 1 or 2 seconds?
Defenders can see that and helps them get a good jump off the snap.
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Yea I know they go silent before each snap, BUT THEN THEY TURN BACK ON. And if I’m the COACH, between plays I’m like “WHAT THE FING FACK, CARSON!!!! RUN THE GD BALL!!!” That’s what coaches do.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
I’d rather see 3-13 than 6-10.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Like I said, you monkeys are willing to say anything to help your argument
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There is no argument here.
We were in position to tie the game at worst, and our QB threw a horrible pass.
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54 passes and 16 runs. That’s a fact!
Blaming CP is retarded unless you think he was calling the plays and decided to throw 54 times which is more retarded.
CP deserves blame for throwing the INT . WRs dropped passes, but we wouldn’t be in that position I’d we were more balanced on offense.
Those are the facts.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
At the game today….nuthin like being back the O and bay area…
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Well, that is my rant. If they fire the coach, the co-ordinators, the QB, just about anyone, I am cool with it. I certainly don’t see anyone we HAVE TO keep.
Just pretty bummed I am flying out, talking my wife to her first Raider home game, and this is the type of product we get to see. I am will be all smiles before kickoff and enjoy my time no doubt, but frustrated that we aren’t coming off, even if it were just a sugar high of sorts, a victory and maybe a tad of momentum.
Carson does not inspire hope, but rather hopelessness.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
204.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Bradford beat Colin, Quinn beat Cam, Scaubb beat Locker.
Give me the statue QB, who doesn’t shoot himself in the foot in the 4th quarter.
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You could probably look at situations the other way as well with even more to justify going the other way. Locker stinks don’t even make him part of the equation now theirs a guy who absolutely stinks.
AS I said the day they were drafted Ponder Gabbert and Locker were drafted way too high at least a rnd too high. In Lockers case it maight 2 rnds. Pathetic…
I thought Cam played very well he’s just stuck on a horrendous team. Kappy played well enough to win the kicker killed him off.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I’d= if
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
I had a seat in upper section 108,just above the BLACK HOLE…
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I observed coach ALLEN the entire game.I studied him and I cama away with “this guy doesnt coach” The coordinators ran the show…
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Priest, at least Wheeler and Burris aren’t lazy and act like morons.
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Doesn’t help much though does it…. same results.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Blaming CP is retarded unless you think he was calling the plays and decided to throw 54 times which is more retarded.
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You realize that a whopping 25 OF THOSE 54 passes, came on the final drive of the first half and game, when running the ball was not an option.
17 passes on the last final drive, lol.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:42 pm
OH yes, the right decision firing Hue. Can you back that up with some proof. Do the Raider fans have to max out at 8-8 for five years under rookie Reggie so you can be happy because fans like you do like Hue’s personality
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43.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Reggie may have screwed up hiring Dennis Allen. We don’t know yet. But, he didn’t screw up firing Hue. It was the right decision.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
It was 10-13….we are inside 10 mins in the fourth qtr.We are passing the ball with ease.I told my fellow Raider Nation comrades that now they have the Browns on their heels….RUN THE BALL MORE!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Douchebag theres one thing that seperates people from you and them,…and not just the billions…its the fact that you wanted to be 4-8, instead of 3-9,…that really screwed your night up didnt it?…they are into building a foundation for years and years of competing,..of being respected in the NFL again…its not easy but the right people are in charge…I saw it in their eyes,…you however, your week is shot because instead of 4-8, youre 3-9,…Im so glad Im not living in your world dude.
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Oh you saw it in their eyes? Well I feel so much better. I mean the drafts & FA are off to a great start…BTW, my night & day was ruined when they re-hired Knapp.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
And … to cap my day off I took the Cowboys -10 trying to recover from a terrible day that included …
- The Jets -4.5 (their RB took a dive on the 1-yard line rather than score inside of 2 minutes so they could run out the clock instead of covering).
- The Vikings +8 (they lost by 9 after their kicker, who has been excellent all season shanked one from about 40)
- I advised my brother to take Baltimore in the NFL Death pool he runs that’s worth about 10k. “No way Charlie Batch beats the Ravens in Baltimore.”
- Did I mention the Raiders are hopeless?
Yup. FML.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
if I’m the COACH, between plays I’m like “WHAT THE FING FACK, CARSON!!!! RUN THE GD BALL!!!” That’s what coaches do.
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No doubt, that should be on DA to get on Knapp to get on Palmer and ask why so much hero ball?
This is a collective failure.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Palmer drops back and underthrows a ball that is PICKED OFF!!! We were already in JANO range…this sucks MAJORLY guys…all the way from Bmore and to see this? Well at least the RAVENS LOST!!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
…and the NINERS!!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Listening to Flores rant and rave, if i were the DC I would buy DA and Reggie early expensive gifts for the 25th.
As I’ve said many times and been attacked for doing so Palmer has to stop the late game ints. People got very angry weeks ago when I said it now do you believe me. He has a penchant for doing that crap in the midst of having a very good game he’ll throw a pick that makes you want to drill him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Ravenaider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
I observed coach ALLEN the entire game.I studied him and I cama away with “this guy doesnt coach” The coordinators ran the show…
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He has too much on his plate. Plus he’s shell shocked and disoriented. Hard to manage under those conditions.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
We won’t have a shot at being good, honestly, until about 2014.
I’ve said this in August.
We need a QB for that time period, once Reggie and (FINALLY) legit scouts pump Pro-Bowl-caliber players into this organization.
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What are the odds “Reggie and (FINALLY) legit scouts pump Pro-Bowl-caliber players into this organization.”
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Blaming CP is retarded unless you think he was calling the plays and decided to throw 54 times which is more retarded.
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You realize that a whopping 25 OF THOSE 54 passes, came on the final drive of the first half and game, when running the ball was not an option.
17 passes on the last final drive, lol.
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For someone who studied finance you don’t analyze odds and #s well. It’s ok I blame Chico, and I think the CFA will help hopefully.
13-10 in the 3rd quarter, we were down by 1 TD in the 4th, so we didn’t have to pass 17 times.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Man it drives you NUTS ythis was a very winnable game all he had to do is protect the damn ball it just makes you furious. He did NOT have to do that….
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
any seat is gonna be a great seat in an empty stadium
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Douchebag,..your night and day was ruined when they hired Knapp?…seriously?…you aware those people dont even know you man?…dont let people who dont know you exist ruin your days. Keepin it real.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:49 pm
“It’s like it’s the same — can’t stop the run, can’t stop the pass,” Huff said. “Things just aren’t going well on defense. Right now, I guess we’re just a bad defense. We can’t really hide it. At this point, the numbers don’t really allow it. We’re just bad right now.”
I like this, an honest assessment. At least it’s better then lip service and holds all its weight.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:50 pm
stfu alex7, you wanted zbs and zone covg more than anyone dvmbfvck
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:50 pm
There is not much leadership nor game management in the heads of Knapp and Palmer combo they always seem to emplode at the most inopportune time.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:50 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
We won’t have a shot at being good, honestly, until about 2014
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Hopefully we will have a REAL COACH then.This guy is a LOST CAUSE
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:50 pm
As I’ve said many times and been attacked for doing so Palmer has to stop the late game ints.
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I have no hope he will, and I see no reason why we should continue to give him the opportunity.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:50 pm
So there’s some great evidence to back up your claim. There’s a very tight correlation between running QBs and winning, only that it happens to be 180 degrees opposite from your take.
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steve young, john elway, arron rodgers, roger staubach
you can win with any style qb
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Of those guys you mention, only one has played in this millenium. And all of them are pass first, run when needed types, with only Steve Young being the type that might run by design more than a few times per season.
Of the only one that reflects today’s NFL, Rodgers, remember that he’s the guy that routinely throws for over 4000 yards per season. Being able to run and being a running QB are two totally different concepts. Rodgers is running for a whopping 15 yards per game over the past two season. During their Super Bowl winning season, he ran for a whole 23 per game. Not really what I would tag a “running QB”.
What I refuted was the point that said you CAN’T win without a QB that can run. It’s utter BS and in fact, all of the recent evidence points in the exact opposite direction. Go ahead and name total playoff appearances by running QBs over the last 5 years, and you’ll find it’s a really low number. Then count the same for non-running QBs. You’ll see that what wins in today’s NFL is either a prolific passing attack or a robust ground game anchored by RBs and not QBs. Like it or not, those are the actual facts and not opinions.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:50 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Douchebag,..your night and day was ruined when they hired Knapp?…seriously?…you aware those people dont even know you man?…dont let people who dont know you exist ruin your days. Keepin it real.
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Thanks for the pep talk…I just wish I could measure what a great GM Reggie will be by looking into his eyes.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Glad Huff gets to play on a “real” defense now.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:51 pm
burris suxsx aszsz
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:52 pm
ten and then….
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Douchebag,..theres only one way to do that,..and thats by actually talking to him,..I do, you dont,..sorry. End of story.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:52 pm
It was amazing watching Brady today, he have all kinds of time to throw.
It was ridiculous.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
We won’t have a shot at being good, honestly, until about 2014.
I’ve said this in August.
We need a QB for that time period, once Reggie and (FINALLY) legit scouts pump Pro-Bowl-caliber players into this organization.
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What are the odds “Reggie and (FINALLY) legit scouts pump Pro-Bowl-caliber players into this organization.”
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So far Reggie needs to show me he can do anything worthy of a probowl vote. The talent he brought in (spare me the excuses) doesn’t inspire me one bit. He is officially on my hot seat.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Man it drives you NUTS ythis was a very winnable game all he had to do is protect the damn ball it just makes you furious. He did NOT have to do that….
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True, he didn’t. He also did NOT have to throw the deep ball to Streater for the TD. That could’ve been another 4 yard running play.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 pm
(11:47) (Shotgun) 3-C.Palmer pass incomplete short right to 84-J.Criner.
2-10-OAK 27
(11:43) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-C.Palmer pass short left to 45-M.Reece to OAK 38 for 11 yards (39-T.Gipson).
1-10-OAK 38
(11:19) (No Huddle) 3-C.Palmer pass short right to 80-R.Streater to CLE 43 for 19 yards (22-B.Skrine).
1-10-CLE 43
(10:47) (No Huddle) 3-C.Palmer pass short right to 10-D.Hagan to CLE 37 for 6 yards (23-J.Haden).
2-4-CLE 37
(10:07) (No Huddle) 3-C.Palmer pass incomplete short left to 84-J.Criner (24-S.Brown).
3-4-CLE 37
(10:03) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-C.Palmer pass short middle to 83-B.Myers to CLE 33 for 4 yards (27-E.Hagg). Measurement for 1st down.
1-10-CLE 33
(9:38) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-C.Palmer pass deep left intended for 84-J.Criner INTERCEPTED by 24-S.Brown at CLE 6. 24-S.Brown to CLE 6 for no gain (84-J.Criner).
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
QBs transform teams.
Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson, Flacco, Freeman, Schaub, Brees, Stafford…
changed their teams. Some LT or C didn’t do it.
Great Steeler D. Losing record without Ben.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Oakland Raiders at 09:51
4-P.Dawson kicks 63 yards from CLE 35 to OAK 2. 32-J.Stewart to OAK 18 for 16 yards (37-J.Bademosi).
1-10-OAK 18
(9:46) 32-J.Stewart left tackle to OAK 28 for 10 yards (39-T.Gipson).
1-10-OAK 28
(9:06) (No Huddle, Shotgun) 3-C.Palmer pass short left to 83-B.Myers pushed ob at OAK 34 for 6 yards (52-D.Jackson).
2-4-OAK 34
(9:01) (No Huddle) 3-C.Palmer pass short left to 85-D.Heyward-Bey ran ob at OAK 42 for 8 yards.
1-10-OAK 42
(8:00) (No Huddle) 3-C.Palmer pass short middle to 85-D.Heyward-Bey to CLE 47 for 11 yards (23-J.Haden).
1-10-CLE 47
(7:28) (No Huddle) 32-J.Stewart left tackle to CLE 41 for 6 yards (56-K.Maiava; 71-A.Rubin).
2-4-CLE 41
(6:51) (No Huddle) 3-C.Palmer pass incomplete short left to 17-D.Moore (24-S.Brown).
3-4-CLE 41
(6:46) (No Huddle) 3-C.Palmer pass short left to 83-B.Myers to CLE 35 for 6 yards (53-C.Robertson).
1-10-CLE 35
(6:11) (No Huddle) 3-C.Palmer pass incomplete short left to 85-D.Heyward-Bey.
2-10-CLE 35
(6:07) (No Huddle) 32-J.Stewart left tackle to CLE 35 for no gain (93-J.Hughes).
3-10-CLE 35
(5:23) (No Huddle) 3-C.Palmer sacked at CLE 42 for -7 yards (95-J.Parker).
4-17-CLE 42
(4:55) 9-S.Lechler punts 32 yards to CLE 10, Center-59-J.Condo, downed by OAK-44-O.Schmitt.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I see a lot no huddle’s in there.
That was Carson running the show.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Palmer is 1-9 when throwing over 300 yards with the Raiders. A big part of that is the terrible defense and the inept running game. But, they were running well today. There was still plenty of time left. No excuse for not running the ball more.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
yeah like zbs and zone d huh alex?
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
It was amazing watching Brady today, he have all kinds of time to throw.
It was ridiculous.
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I’ve been ranting about that for years. Whenever Brady doesn’t have time (unfortunately, it’s rare) he looks more like Mark Sanchez. The guy has had a very blessed career, landing in the right place at the right time. I assert that there have probably been about 30-50 QBs that have entered the NFL since Brady did that would have been just as successful given the cards he was dealt.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
QBs transform teams.
Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson, Flacco, Freeman, Schaub, Brees, Stafford…
changed their teams. Some LT or C didn’t do it.
Great Steeler D. Losing record without Ben.
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The same could be said for great coaches.
This is a coach and QB driven league.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
lol Priestt.
You mean it’s Reggie’s fault he had no 1st or 2nd round picks, no cap $, and a TERRIBLE Davis reputation to bring quality talent here?
ok.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
QBs transform teams.
Luck, RGIII, Russell Wilson, Flacco, Freeman, Schaub, Brees, Stafford…
changed their teams. Some LT or C didn’t do it.
Great Steeler D. Losing record without Ben.
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I agree, but there are no QBs in this draft worth a top 5 pick. The Raiders have the worst defense in the league. That should be the #1 priority. I would like to see them draft Landry Jones with a later pick if that is possible.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I will tell you all what I told Reggie and Mark today,..on the soggy grass,..on the sidelines,…”Im a Raider fan, Im part of the Nation, we got your back, we have faith in you,…long live the Raiders”….they both heard me, they both shook my hand and told me to have patience, real soon the Raiders will once again be on top. Goodnight.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
It was amazing watching Brady today, he have all kinds of time to throw.
It was ridiculous.
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I’ve been ranting about that for years. Whenever Brady doesn’t have time (unfortunately, it’s rare) he looks more like Mark Sanchez. The guy has had a very blessed career, landing in the right place at the right time. I assert that there have probably been about 30-50 QBs that have entered the NFL since Brady did that would have been just as successful given the cards he was dealt.
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When you watch the time Brady has to throw and then the time we have….it doesn’t even look like the same game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
I see a lot no huddle’s in there.
That was Carson running the show.
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So…… Are you one of the ignorant people that think the OC is not involved in the no huddle and CPcalls his own plays?
Stop it dude!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 pm
The positive that I will take from this game is I see most of the guys going hard,playing to win.
Burris,Wheeler,Huff,Houston,Bryant,Palmer,Reece,Streater and Criner are all going hard.I couldn’t look at the guys and pinpoint anyone that has just given up!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Raider (since1967)
★★★★★★★
Hopeless case!
TURN OFF THE LIGHT THE PARTY IS OVER! ALL GOOD THINGS -
REGGIE — Should start paying by the GAME.
Or -DEDUCTING Payroll by games!
OK PLAYERS LISTEN UP – FROM NOW ON WE PAY BY THE GAME
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Are you one of the ignorant people that think the OC is not involved in the no huddle and CPcalls his own plays?
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I think the QB has final say, which has been WIDELY reported and admitted by the QB and OC, when in the no-huddle.
This is fact.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 pm
ravenaider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 pm
The positive that I will take from this game is I see most of the guys going hard,playing to win.
Burris,Wheeler,Huff,Houston,Bryant,Palmer,Reece,Streater and Criner are all going hard.I couldn’t look at the guys and pinpoint anyone that has just given up!!!
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This is so true. I am so glad McClain is gone.
We have players who are trying hard. Now we need to get coaches who know what they are doing.
Gruden.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Are you one of the ignorant people that think the OC is not involved in the no huddle and CPcalls his own plays?
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I think the QB has final say, which has been WIDELY reported and admitted by the QB and OC, when in the no-huddle.
This is fact.
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You fact starts with “I think”?
LOL
You are killing me dude. I’m done.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Palmer # 5 fantasy qb today.
Ahead of Peyton Manning.
Palmers yards are the only stat that matters.
Wins are overrated.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I wonder how CP3 would perform if we had some real NFL caliber WR’s?
I think it’s a legitimate question. We do NOT have a #1 OR #2 WR on our roster. Does anyone bother counting dropped passes? That would be a very telling statistic. I’m not saying that CP3 is our answer but if we had Brady out there and he had the same number of drops, what would people be saying about his game?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
REGRESSION…
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
You fact starts with “I think”?
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The “I think” was in response to your question asking if “I think”.
Don’t be a pinhead, and follow your OWN context of the questions your asking.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
lol Priestt.
You mean it’s Reggie’s fault he had no 1st or 2nd round picks, no cap $, and a TERRIBLE Davis reputation to bring quality talent here?
ok.
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Spare me the excuses I’ve heard them a million times. Show me some players………
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Kirk and Ravenaider
PLAYERS make COACHES 9 out of 10 times.
Tomlin losing record without BEN at QB.
Lovie Smith LOSING record without CUTLER.
Whisenhunt Super Bowl coach with KURT WARNER, terrible since.
John Fox fired for losing so much in Carolina, winner with MANNING.
Colts former coach, SB with MANNING, 1-15 without.
Tom Coughlin: 6-10 in Eli non-starting season.
PLAYERS WIN GAMES.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 pm
Palmer was beast today, look at those fantasy points, awesome
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Priest, you are being foolish. We had no draft pick until # 95, and a bunch of overpaid bums. Our Lord could not have saved the Raiders in 2012. It is called rebuilding and Reggie cannot be judged solely on a 3-9 team. Let’s see the 2013 draft and if we can bring in some talented free agents in 2013. Besides, let’s see if the current regime can draft in the top 5, because Al Davis sure as heck could not!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm
I’m not saying that CP3 is our answer but if we had Brady out there and he had the same number of drops, what would people be saying about his game?
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Brady gets more out of his WR’s.
Pats WR’s leave town, and do nothing.
You got to inspire hope. Carson does not and the players feed off it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 u are so full of crap. why do u guys even talk this guy? do i need to pull up all the posts of him telling everyone to go “root for a real team across the bay”? now he says he talks to amy trask everyday? lmfao. like shes got nothing better to do than talk to that nutbag.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
I did NOT see the D quit and those of you saying it are idiots. They were excited, pumped but they are bad.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
I am a big Carson Palmer fan, but that INT was terrible. I don’t care how many yards he threw for today, because that was inexcusable!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
You fact starts with “I think”?
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The “I think” was in response to your question asking if “I think”.
Don’t be a pinhead, and follow your OWN context of the questions your asking.
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So you think he has final say after it has been widely reported and admitted?
Got it?
Still LOL
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Raider(since1967)
★★★★★★★★
Just talk to REGGIE –HE SAID $
FROM NOW UNTIL PLAYOFFS – - -
WE WILL PAY BY THE GAME, YOU PLAY 16 – WE PAY 16
YOU PLAY 10 — WE PAY 10
DON’T PLAY —- DON’T PAY
WE ARE IN THE MONEY $$$$$
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
On NBC’s SNF Cowboys/Eagles Half-Time Program, Bob Costas took the opportunity to give his own opinion regarding the murder/suicide of Chiefs linebacker Jevon Belcher. I was deeply offended because Bob began expounding and pontificating regarding the need to ban guns.
He uses his job at NBC as his platform to voice his personal opinion which directly opposses the law of our land- and that is that we are all allowed to own a firearm to protect our life and family.
If Jevon Belcher did not own a gun he could have easily taken another route to vent his rage – drugged himself, crashed his car, strangle his girlfriend or stab her with a knife and other ways as well. (It would be like saying I am overweight because spoons are legalized.) What an asinine commentary by Bob Costas.
NBC, please stick to sports, the game, the human interest and facts and be more balanced. Bob Costas has become “ingrown” and I for one am losing respect for him as a journalist/broadcaster. Bob Costas is not larger than life or an entire network. Please keep your liberal politics and opinions to yourself and bring me what you promised – a football broadcast. NBC is not my moral guide.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
This Raiders team >>> 2011 Raiders team
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
So you think he has final say after it has been widely reported and admitted?
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Yes, it is called a point of reference.
You have any for your argument, or are you going to bless me with another LOL?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
We were in the game with what are actually bench warmers on the D.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Listening to Flores rant and rave, if i were the DC I would buy DA and Reggie early expensive gifts for the 25th.
As I’ve said many times and been attacked for doing so Palmer has to stop the late game ints. People got very angry weeks ago when I said it now do you believe me. He has a penchant for doing that crap in the midst of having a very good game he’ll throw a pick that makes you want to drill him.
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For once I’m gonna agree w you. I still don’t think it was a bad play call, a good pass would have sealed the deal. But it was truly an atrocious pass. I saw it on TV and knew it was going to be a disaster as soon as the ball left his hand. Just under thrown. And yea, I’m starting to see a trend too. Still not gonna blame it all in Palmer tho. Still think he’s about tenth in the long list of problems w this team. But yea, I lost a lot of confidence in him w that pass today. I imagine a lot of the team did too, presuming any if them actually give a shlt. Couldn’t tell if they did today.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Knapp needs to be sent to wherever the heck Bresnahan was sent, and never, ever be heard from again! I can’t stand Greg Knapp!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I wonder how CP3 would perform if we had some real NFL caliber WR’s?
I think it’s a legitimate question. We do NOT have a #1 OR #2 WR on our roster. Does anyone bother counting dropped passes? That would be a very telling statistic. I’m not saying that CP3 is our answer but if we had Brady out there and he had the same number of drops, what would people be saying about his game?
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Do you realize almost every QB in the league could use these same excuses. Only a few have all-hands teams Aaron Rodgers gets more passes dropped per throw than most QB’s. No QB has the market cornered in that regard save maybe 2-3 are better off than most..
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
314, Your political preference is not appreciated, either. A coward used a gun and destroyed 2 families. Get the point!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 pm
knowing this regime theyll announce leinart as the starter on thursday and keep pryor on the bench.
too much misery going on.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Right now Mark Davis is thinking to himself…..”Now I know why my dad was so damn pizzed off all the time!
This shlt is fixable, come on people, its like watching a bunch of retards trying to hump a doorknob….Now I understand why my dad fired people every year!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Palmer could have made that pass easily if he had not attempted 45 passes already, dude need to learn how to stay balanced and call run plays to keep his arm fresh
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Raider8 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 u are so full of crap. why do u guys even talk this guy? do i need to pull up all the posts of him telling everyone to go “root for a real team across the bay”? now he says he talks to amy trask everyday? lmfao. like shes got nothing better to do than talk to that nutbag.
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Yep.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:12 pm
“Burris was a 4th round pick. We can’t expect him to be great. Maybe he hit the rookie wall.”
Give the kid a break. He’s been playing too many plays,needs a breather now and then as DA said a few weeks ago. He actually is one who has shown some promise.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 pm
ust Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm
I’m not saying that CP3 is our answer but if we had Brady out there and he had the same number of drops, what would people be saying about his game?
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Brady gets more out of his WR’s.
Pats WR’s leave town, and do nothing.
You got to inspire hope. Carson does not and the players feed off it.
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CP3 keeps accepting responsibility instead of calling the WR’s out. His current MO isn’t working so maybe he ought to call it as it actually was. D-Wow went from that to DMoore to D-less. Regressing at an accelerated rate. DHB is not setting any high marks either.
I know he can’t politically do it but I’d really like him to get up on the podium and tell us how bad our receiving group really is. They all need a wake-up call.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
When Reggie brings in all the great players on the cheap and get their Rookie heads, head coach and his staff, somewhat straight they must get players in the right schemes and have the right chemistry with the other players.They must also play through a mist of ref. bias.
They way Reggie and Dennis Allen turn the Raiders players strenghts to weakness I don’t see Reggie meshing different talents together.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
again
PLAYERS WIN GAMES, not coaches.
Tomlin……losing record without BEN at QB.
Lovie Smith..LOSING record without CUTLER.
Whisenhunt…Super Bowl coach with KURT WARNER, terrible since.
John Fox….fired for losing in Carolina, winner with MANNING.
Colts former coach…SB with MANNING, 1-15 without.
Tom Coughlin…6-10 in Eli non-starting season.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Remind me Chico, weren’t you the one arguing with posters that the OC was involved in the no huddle when they were trying to give CP all the credit?
Changed your mind?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Is it fair to say right now the positives regarding cp3 career center around stats and not wins
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Right now Mark Davis is thinking to himself…”Look at what Jeff Ficher did to that Rams team in such a short amount or time….Look at how fast Harbaugh in SF and Greg Schiano in Tamps have gotten results…..WHY NOT US”!!!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Raider(since1967)
★★★★★★★
GRUDEN SAYS– he will come on one condition.
$5 MILLION
BOX OF CUBAN CIGAR
ALL THE RAIDERRETTES IN A PENTHOUSE 1 WEEK!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
no effin break…guy makes tackles ten yards downfield…
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
Morilla I was Norco Bob,..but gave up the Norcos,..however Im now back on them.,…F it.==============
Obviously. Might want to re check those contra indications. You know, delusions and what not.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
again PLAYERS WIN GAMES, not coaches.
Tomlin……losing record without BEN at QB.
Lovie Smith..LOSING record without CUTLER.
Whisenhunt…Super Bowl coach with KURT WARNER, terrible since.
John Fox….fired for losing in Carolina, winner with MANNING.
Colts former coach…SB with MANNING, 1-15 without.
Tom Coughlin…6-10 in Eli non-starting season.
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tony romo all time leader in td passes.more than aikman or staubach..
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:18 pm
There is a reason I’m LOL. You are a flip flopper.
You were arguing with people who wanted to give CP all the credit for the no huddle when it worked, you said Knapp was responsible, and now you want to blame CP for the no huddle, and you wonder why I’m LOL.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
“DA appointed Knapp as interim head coach to run practice”
That is hilariously sad! lol
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
remember when reggie said we dont need a vet receiver like plax, wonder what cp3 thinks
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
the bartell streak continues , no int since 2008..another gem by reggie
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Boy it would have been nice to see Hue work with his 1st round pick Palmer for a full year with a REAL running game behind him as well.
Yep….Ooops Mark Davis, Reggie McKenzie and DA.
Do they want a mulligan? LOL
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
What’s the point of comparing us to other teams? first of all we had no draft picks, no money to spend in FA, we were coming off a season with the worst D ever, and we had bad contracts all over the team and had guys playing out of places , why doesn’t anybody consider all these before trying compare us to other teams
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
What’s the point of comparing us to other teams? first of all we had no draft picks, no money to spend in FA, we were coming off a season with the worst D ever, and we had bad contracts all over the team and had guys playing out of places , why doesn’t anybody consider all these before trying compare us to other teams
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hold on…. Let me get my violin…..
Btw, this years defense is worse than last years.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
again PLAYERS WIN GAMES, not coaches.
Tomlin……losing record without BEN at QB.
Lovie Smith..LOSING record without CUTLER.
Whisenhunt…Super Bowl coach with KURT WARNER, terrible since.
John Fox….fired for losing in Carolina, winner with MANNING.
Colts former coach…SB with MANNING, 1-15 without.
Tom Coughlin…6-10 in Eli non-starting season.
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tony romo all time leader in td passes.more than aikman or staubach..
^^^^^^^^
Players win games and not coaches?
Hmm….player win games with good competent coaching, scheming, game planning, preparation, proper in game adjustments and then execution by the players.
Wonder why the Raiders haven’t been relevant since Gruden was traded and Hue fired last year??
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The Raiders are a freak Dallas area snow storm away from Greg Knapp coaching against Peyton Manning. Who would have thought that when we were 7-4 last year? Fuc k me
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Who would have thought Greg Knapp would be back coaching the Raiders ahead of REAL coaches like Gruden and Hue??
hahaha
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Burris is trash, been saying that for a while now. He gets abused on a weekly basis. Don’t give me that “hit the rookie wall” crap, it would be the first thing he has hit meaningfully all year
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Coaching doesn’t matter?
Is that right?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
“On NBC’s SNF Cowboys/Eagles Half-Time Program, Bob Costas took the opportunity to give his own opinion regarding the murder/suicide of Chiefs linebacker Jevon Belcher. I was deeply offended because Bob began expounding and pontificating regarding the need to ban guns.
“He uses his job at NBC as his platform to voice his personal opinion which directly opposses the law of our land- and that is that we are all allowed to own a firearm to protect our life and family.’
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Agree completely. His intrusion into the telecast of the game made me sick. Typical NYC kind of guy.
What people like him and Jason Whitlock never seem to acknowledge is that there is a cultural pathology in those who are the thugs (ask yourself where they were in the 40s and 50s when we also were able to purchase guns). Instead of attacking the subculture that produces and perpetuates the thuggery and the thugs, they attack those who have every right to protect themselves and their families. Their thuggery is elevated to hero status by the entertainment industry, and pro sports and the media promoting pro sports are in large part responsible for cowtowing to such behavior for the sake of ratings. Then, when something like this incident happens, they show their self-righteous hypocrisy.
Hey,idiot Jason Whitlock, hey, idiot Costas, there are tens of thousands of American neighborhoods, working class and middle class neighborhoods, in which some families own guns and some don’t, and there’s not a_ single_ instance_ of_ gun_ violence_ in those neighborhoods or from those who live in those neighborhoods. Let it be known, you idiots, that millions of Americans are peace-loving and decent, and are good citizens and let it be known we aren’t letting the idiots take away our rights. You think if we gave up our protection that suddenly the thugs would give up theirs?
All that said, we’ll see what comes out in the wash, but from what I’ve read so far, this Chief’s player was no thug, probably a young man suffering from mental illness (depression, bi-polar disorder)or perhaps someone who used performance enhancing drugs which made him fly into rages.
The gun he used to kill his girlfriend would have been replaced by a baseball bat ora knife or his hands around his neck had he not been able to get a gun readily so the Costas/Whitlock point is ridiculous.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Things just seem a lot more simpler when you say the Riader need to fix the defense. things seem more complex when you say we have to fix everything because it is more complex.. Boy, I liked the ideal of just fixing the defense.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Thank you, Cork and Beck.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
I trust Reggie will do the right thing and put DA and his whole staff out of their misery at the end of the year. I don’t think he can afford not to. This franchise needs a homerun for a head coach. That means overpaying for STUD like Cowher, Gruden, David Shaw. Just break out the checkbook Mark and STFU please.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Alex7…you have a point but COACHES get paid to COACH UP PLAYERS!!! Look at what Rod Woodson did with that secondary last year…Reggie castrated the entire coaching staff to get this mess. These guys are coming from college and need instruction at this level.Only a handful are just naturally gifted to make it at this level with minor instruction…
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Now peeps are saying Burris is trash? Hmm…at least he has a good head on his shoulders and plays with heart.
Another reason why this team need a REAL leader and quarterback of the rebuilt defense like Te’o from ND.
MIKES/ILB’S like him don’t come along very often.
Then a good OLB/DE pass rusher can still be had in Round 3 of this years draft.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
next year there will be 5 or 6 hc openings. jets, sd,philly,dallas,cleveland, maybe kc , maybe New Orleans. wonder which one Hue will pick. i mean his greatness couldnt only be known on this blog? imagine if Hue gets the SD job, half the blog will be gone and following their man crush to our rival.
we get the point about Hue, yes he did a better job than DA for now, yes he had excuses too, but he’s gone..shouldnt you be more concerned about if reggie is the man to rebuild us? Hue is history and what happens if he doesnt get a HC job next year..hmmmm
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Hmm…look how good Hue’s DB’s looked today against the Bolts and last week versus the Raiders.
Yep..I said it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Raider O Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
What’s the point of comparing us to other teams? first of all we had no draft picks, no money to spend in FA, we were coming off a season with the worst D ever, and we had bad contracts all over the team and had guys playing out of places , why doesn’t anybody consider all these before trying compare us to other teams
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hold on…. Let me get my violin…..
Btw, this years defense is worse than last years.
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Yeah ofcourse it was going to get worse , what else did you expect after we lost our best pass rusher and another good pass rusher (seymour) doesn’t even practice
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Costas and the rest of the ban gun crusaders are nuts.If you want to take someone out,a rope,knife or plastic bag will do the trick!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
next year there will be 5 or 6 hc openings. jets, sd,philly,dallas,cleveland, maybe kc , maybe New Orleans. wonder which one Hue will pick. i mean his greatness couldnt only be known on this blog? imagine if Hue gets the SD job, half the blog will be gone and following their man crush to our rival.
we get the point about Hue, yes he did a better job than DA for now, yes he had excuses too, but he’s gone..shouldnt you be more concerned about if reggie is the man to rebuild us? Hue is history and what happens if he doesnt get a HC job next year..hmmmm
^^^^^^^^
Don’t worry about Hue. At least he gave this team a fighting chance the last two years when he was around, compared to DA and Knapp! lol
Lousy!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
McFadden20
You’re grasping at straws man. Hue took a team that was arguably worse and went 8-8his rookie year and dealing with the death of Al Davis. Most of the players that are gone are gone because the GM felt that they were not vital to this teams success. With the exception of Bush, how many of the players that are gone would u take over their replacement?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Shutdown Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
________________________________
Agree completely. His intrusion into the telecast of the game made me sick. Typical NYC kind of guy.
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Have you met the typical nyc guy? let me know because there are tons of diversity here and my guess is you have no clue
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Now peeps are saying Burris is trash? Hmm…at least he has a good head on his shoulders and plays with heart.
Another reason why this team need a REAL leader and quarterback of the rebuilt defense like Te’o from ND.
MIKES/ILB’S like him don’t come along very often.
Then a good OLB/DE pass rusher can still be had in Round 3 of this years draft.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
again
PLAYERS WIN GAMES, not coaches.
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Free safety/cornerback Michael Huff talked about the Raiders having a top-five-caliber defense at the start of the season.
And now?
“It’s like it’s the same — can’t stop the run, can’t stop the pass,” Huff said. “Things just aren’t going well on defense. Right now, I guess we’re just a bad defense. We can’t really hide it. At this point, the numbers don’t really allow it. We’re just bad right now.”
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This is what I have been saying for over 6 years. These are just bad players that need to go.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Hue Jackson OWNS Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp combined!!
Lol!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
COME ON
If COACHES win games,
why are ALL THOSE COACHES sitting there with LOSING RECORDS as soon as their QB is out?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
ravenaider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Costas and the rest of the ban gun crusaders are nuts.If you want to take someone out,a rope,knife or plastic bag will do the trick!!
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Exactly. Costas is clueless to violence in the home. I’m a police officer and I’ve seen women killed/abused with a variety of implements, very few with guns. Costas is just pushing an agenda, best to laugh and ignore him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
352. It would not be overpaying, in my opinion.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
DA is taking some time off now….
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
The season is basically over and we are out of the playoffs. Now is the time to see who wants to be on this team next year. We should start TP6 and let him play the whole game. Winning or losing is nothing more than playing or not playing for drafting position. Winning a meaningless game means nothing. If TP6 is a QB of the future, we need to know soon, before we get to the draft. Denver’s D will probably kill CP3 with only our O-line in front of him. TP6 might fare a little better with his mobility. Let’s keep CP3 healthy in case someone decides to trade him. Besides, I want to see what TP6 can do.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
The constant coaching turnover around here and culture of losing doesn’t keep players interested for very long.
And another reason why getting rid of Hue was a bad move.
Having good continuity within a coaching staff is important.
All they needed to do was let Hue find a LEGIT DC and work on the penalties.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
severeraiderz Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
McFadden20
You’re grasping at straws man. Hue took a team that was arguably worse and went 8-8his rookie year and dealing with the death of Al Davis.
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Don’t be stupid. Hue Jackson took a team that had momentum and single handedly turned it into a piece of sh**. Jackson is one of the top people to blame in this. But it is not about blame, it’s about getting better.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
I just think these guys don’t know what they are talking about and just want change just for the sake of it, many coaches have freaking laid an egg in their first years and went on to win Superbowls, it would have been one thing if we coming off beating good teams last year or did something awesome to end the year, we freakin were 2 plays away from going 0-6 rest of the way , that’s not a good team how ever you put it, we need to get rid of many players on D, and put players in their natural where they would succeed, yeah i know G Knapp s8cks , but run game has finally came along, we just need to get a better coach to coach in the same scheme
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Another reason DA and Knapp are idiots.
TP should have been seeing playing time this year just like the Niners were using Kap in certain packages to keep defenses off balance.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
remember when reggie said we dont need a vet receiver like plax, wonder what cp3 thinks
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We have veteran wide recievers, well at least Hagan. What we need are #1 wide receivers. Plax is nothing, and Reggies right, we do not(did not) need him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
i want to see pryor start on thursday. why not?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
beach Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
352. It would not be overpaying, in my opinion.
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Good point. A big name, proven coach would excite the fan base and get FA’s and players on the team to actually show some emotion and play hard. DA inspires nothing.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Hue Jackson OWNS Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp combined!!
Lol!
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Lets start talking about gruden, or maybe flores will come back..time to move on..
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Denarious Moore benched? dhb benched? both these guys are regressing under this OC.
DMOORE is turning into DOUG GABRIEL
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
NycRaider
The REASON we couldn’t have a Rams-like turnaround:
WE didn’t have FIVE 1st and 2nd round picks to use like St. Louis.
WE didn’t have cornerstone players like Chris Long, Steven Jackson, Bradford, and Amendola to build around.
The Rams have been outscored by 46 points this year. This means LUCK has played a favorable role.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
severeraiderz Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
McFadden20
You’re grasping at straws man. Hue took a team that was arguably worse and went 8-8his rookie year and dealing with the death of Al Davis.
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Don’t be stupid. Hue Jackson took a team that had momentum and single handedly turned it into a piece of sh**. Jackson is one of the top people to blame in this. But it is not about blame, it’s about getting better.
^^^^^^^^^
Hue STILL had this team within a game of playoffs…despite losing the old man legend owner/gm….starting QB and star RB in mid season. Ford, Moore and Jones were hurt also. So was Boss.
Hue overcame alot of adversity in his first year as coach. DA or Knapp would never accomplish what Hue did if they were placed in the same predicament.
Matter of fact….they are sucking this year with handling any adversity.
The players don’t respect them and most of the fans who know football don’t either.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
This team is just like the Medication “Accutane.” There will be much better days ahead my friends. Believe it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
DKnight
But scouts knew Kap was a legit QB. Only reason he lasted til high 2nd round (like Brees) was playing in such a small school and odd throwing motion.
Pryor played at prime-time school and was passed over 70 times as the ONLY player in the draft.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Raider( since 1967)
★★★★★★★
New England makes things happen and we don’t!
Their Offense marches in real quick, while the teams are
Still asleep in their1-2 drives. He gets down the field vs Miami
Or whoever and is 14-0 — ha you are losing.
Their Defense will come at you real, real fast with arm and hands up in the air block your view and the ball its tip up in the
Air. Or they will get you real quick from behind and force a turnover. Or Sack the QB.
Does ALLEN AND TARVER DO THAT?
DO THEY WATCH NEW ENGLAND GAME FILM AND STUDY THIS NO. WHY THEY ARE 9-3 WON THE DIVISION AGAIN!
DO THEY WATCH – NEW DNGLAND
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
remember when reggie said we dont need a vet receiver like plax, wonder what cp3 thinks
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We have veteran wide recievers, well at least Hagan. What we need are #1 wide receivers. Plax is nothing, and Reggies right, we do not(did not) need him.
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your comparing hagan to Plax..this is whats crazy in here,,..hagan is a 5th or 6 wr at best..plax had 8 tds last year. its been 8 years since a raider wr had 8 tds..unbelievable..
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
The problem is Mark and Reggie went on an ego trip and did not do what was best this year for the Raider org. and their fans. Hue was the best choice and you see the result of the poor decisions. I am not going to rally around the guys that took away the Raiders competitiveness!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
severeraiderz Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
McFadden20
You’re grasping at straws man. Hue took a team that was arguably worse and went 8-8his rookie year and dealing with the death of Al Davis. Most of the players that are gone are gone because the GM felt that they were not vital to this teams success. With the exception of Bush, how many of the players that are gone would u take over their replacement?
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Arguably worse? Cable freaking went on a good run to end 10, which is the reason they came outta the gate swinging in 11 , and had chance to make playoffs, and then we went spiraling down and we’re couple of plays away from going 0-6 (with every thing to fight for) and that’s where our team carried over from last year, still need a lot more changes to get rid of the trash
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Hue Jackson OWNS Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp combined!!
Lol!
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Son, why would you be laughing? Secondly, what part of O for the end of the season is funny? Lastly Jackson is the reason we are here. Dumbass.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
“Allen appointed offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as the coach to oversee practice during his absence.”
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
NycRaider
The REASON we couldn’t have a Rams-like turnaround:
WE didn’t have FIVE 1st and 2nd round picks to use like St. Louis.
WE didn’t have cornerstone players like Chris Long, Steven Jackson, Bradford, and Amendola to build around.
The Rams have been outscored by 46 points this year. This means LUCK has played a favorable role.
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when did i bring up the rams?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 pm
It’s just funny to hear some fans say players don’t respect these coaches when the whole team played better than the team played last year in last game of the year with everything to play for
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Shoot…some of us were talking draft right when DA hired Knapp as OC and an inexperienced cat at DC and how bad they looked in preseason.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Right now Mark Davis is thinking to himself…”Look at what Jeff Ficher did to that Rams team in such a short amount or time….Look at how fast Harbaugh in SF and Greg Schiano in Tamps have gotten results…..WHY NOT US”!!!!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Id like to see better results too, obviously. But not to make excuses, Tampa was an up an coming team the year before last w talent and Raheem inexplicably lost the team mid season last year. The talent was still there. And it seems singletary (or the whiners front office) could draft. He just couldn’t coach. Both schiano and harbaugh walked into way better situations then Allen. Doesn’t mean I don’t think Allen could have done a lot of things a lot better. Doesn’t mean I even think he can make it happen at all. But it is a much worse situation. Much worse.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 pm
How about Dwight Howard getting his arse kicked by his old team? Where are all the Lakers fans now? Go Warriors!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 pm
tonedeezy Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
“Allen appointed offensive coordinator Greg Knapp as the coach to oversee practice during his absence.”
^^^^^^^^
Scary huh? Ugh
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I will tell you all what I told Reggie and Mark today,..on the soggy grass,..on the sidelines,…”Im a Raider fan, Im part of the Nation, we got your back, we have faith in you,…long live the Raiders”….they both heard me, they both shook my hand and told me to have patience, real soon the Raiders will once again be on top. Goodnight.
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Some serious side effects with those drugs, bob. Did you actually leave your apartment today? I’ll check with the AM crew to see if you even made it to the parking lot.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
I guess John Fox got SMARTER suddenly with Manning at QB instead of Delhomme.
And Tomlin FORGETS how to COACH when Ben is injured.
And BILL PARCELLS forgot how to coach when his Dallas QB was QUINCY CARTER.
And Lovie FORGETS how to coach when Cutler is injured.
And Whisenhunt FORGOT how to win without Warner.
players win games
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Wait nobody cares DMOORE is turning into DOUG GABRIEL???!!!??!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Right now Mark Davis is thinking to himself…”Look at what Jeff Ficher did to that Rams team in such a short amount or time….Look at how fast Harbaugh in SF and Greg Schiano in Tamps have gotten results…..WHY NOT US”!!!!!
^^^^^^^^^
Those teams hired REAL experienced coaches with head coaching experience more importantly.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm
390. You are right McFadden. Gotta be patient and wait until next season. No need to bury the man trying to salvage the franchise!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Our team s8cks , wtf has last year has to do with this team, unless we can go back and play the same schedule and have the momentum carried over from year before , why would you freaking compare the team , so what if they had 8 wins, whats their to get too excited about, we didn’t beat many good teams
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Players to win games…..but solid, good coaches are needed to guide them.
Plus QB is the most important position in the NFL. If you don’t have a great QB, then you need a great defense and solid running game like what the Niners have to compete.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:15 pm
at least you are now seeing how bad burriss really is…
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I am here to take my lumps on being wrong on plenty of parts for our team, Palmer especially.
But not Burris. Been railing on him for months now.
He just isn’t any good. Not sure how you are going to convince me he is going to become a good NFL starting LB. He could emerge as a depth guy I guess.
But Burris would be on the Browns PS. They would have no reps for him at LB.
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So basically you’re saying that none of Reggie’s draft picks are good? I know many of the coaching choices are crap, but I thought he was supposed to be a rockin’ talent evaluator? He even got rid of the whole scouting dept and brought in his brother and other of “his men”
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
DA= Lane Kiffin
Palmer = Kerry Collins
DMOORE= Doug GABRIEL
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I personally think many of the coaching choices aren’t the hottest either.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
The Raiders turn around to competitiveness started with Hue. Cable was there the year before and the Raiders were stagnant on offense.When Hue was introduced to cable that is when the offense jump started.
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Don’t be stupid. Hue Jackson took a team that had momentum and single handedly turned it into a piece of sh**. Jackson is one of the top people to blame in this. But it is not about blame, it’s about getting better.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
I want to say it better than this, but I can’t.
RaidingTexas Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
It’s tough to win in the National Football League.
Especially with a team full of backup and practice squad players.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Some of you guys suck….just like DA and Knapp suck. I’m outta here.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
DA= Lane Kiffin
Palmer = Kerry Collins
DMOORE= Doug GABRIEL
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Somehow our TOP weapons from last year got totally nutralized this year. Hmmm…what changed….DMAC looked as ineffective running the ball as Dmoore looked catching the ball.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
nyc
the positives around Palmer’s career are that he finally got the Bengals to the playoffs, despite playing in a division with the Steelers and Ravens.
Then he was saddled with the Raiders and a rookie owner, rookie GM, rookie HC, new OC, and rookie DC.
Surprised that didn’t work out? lol.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Wait nobody cares DMOORE is turning into DOUG GABRIEL???!!!??!!
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I been saying that Moore belong with 2nd string players, he’s not starter material, I’m hoping streeter makes the jump to #2 next year and we sign a #1 and send DHB and Moore where they really belong
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 pm
2romes Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
The Raiders turn around to competitiveness started with Hue. Cable was there the year before and the Raiders were stagnant on offense.When Hue was introduced to cable that is when the offense jump started.
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Don’t be stupid. Hue Jackson took a team that had momentum and single handedly turned it into a piece of sh**. Jackson is one of the top people to blame in this. But it is not about blame, it’s about getting better.
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Don’t be stupid. Hue did waaaaaay more for this team in two years then DA and Knapp will ever do in 4 years…IF they get that far….which they probably won’t!
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 pm
373.DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Another reason DA and Knapp are idiots.
TP should have been seeing playing time this year just like the Niners were using Kap in certain packages to keep defenses off balance.
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Biggest difference is Kap is the backup and Pryor is 3rd string. Alex Smith got injured. Palmer had a sore finger on a Wednesday.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 pm
DKnight
how did Chicago coaches fare with their solid D last year once Cutler went down?
Won a bunch of games huh? Oh wait. Players.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Want to know why we keep saying Pryor isn’t ready? Because poor dude stands on the sidelines! They give him no love. He shoulda had some special packages in the playbook since the start of the season. Why did every one think Colin kaperwhats his name for the niners know he was ready? Because he actually plays in games, fans saw him throw the ball. If he was with the raiders, he wouldn’t even be suiting up, and we would be saying the same thing, He’s not ready. And we say that about Pryor because we dont see him play and that’s what the coaches tell us. Well these coaches are idiots and I bet, that hue woulda had Pryor playing from day one on special packages and woulda had him balling.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
The Raiders turn around to competitiveness started with Hue. Cable was there the year before and the Raiders were stagnant on offense.When Hue was introduced to cable that is when the offense jump started.
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No it wasn’t. And since you don’t know, Jackson didn’t install an offense, he just play called. It was Cables offense. Then he took over, and scored 25 points in the second half of six games. And then went 1-4 to end his career. The league has thrown Jackson in the trash. You guys are the idiots holding on to Jackson. Sad.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
we have players that other teams CUT, said weren’t good enough to be on 53-man roster…
STARTING for us.
That’s bad.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Then peeps want to replace Palmer now….and then replace with him with who I might ask?
Then that young cat QB is going to be taught by Gregg Knapp??
Oooff! Lol
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
lol actually believing Leinart is better then TP6.
Harbaugh is just creative enough and a much better coach then knapp/ DA to actually develope a player.
You think Harbaugh would let KNAPP around his team lmao.
Leinart just knows the system. Nothing more
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Laughable. The Raider team is playing better this year? Must be watching all the good tape on raider rewind.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
The constant coaching turnover around here and culture of losing doesn’t keep players interested for very long.
And another reason why getting rid of Hue was a bad move.
Having good continuity within a coaching staff is important.
All they needed to do was let Hue find a LEGIT DC and work on the penalties.
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Players didn’t like Hue because he was a hypocrite. He threw players under the bus when it came to crunch time. Add to that a pedicure and makeup, and he was done.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Reggie had a chance to dump seymour, save 7.5 million off his 15 mil contract and not have any future contract. he decides to give him a new contract that when he cuts seymour next year it hurts our cap number by 5.5 mil. Reggie then not only franchises branch but signs him long term,.
Our fearless leader then signs briesel, worst OL pickup since gallery and when we cut him next year it hits our cap by 2.7 mill. The cherry on top is the restructured Palmer contract that pays him 15 mil next year which i believe is 100% guaranteed. maybe thats the real reason they cant play tp6 just in case he shines and the fan bases wants him instead of palmer.
Reggie had a chance to rebuild but he blew it. There are no excuses for these moves. these were his decisions
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
DA believes n ZBS and i can see why, Stewart and Reece have been doing good job running in last few games, i just wish they would stick with run and be less predictable in play calling and they need to freaking have better formations to run the plays out of not the same freakin 1’s
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
I guess John Fox got SMARTER suddenly with Manning at QB instead of Delhomme.
And Tomlin FORGETS how to COACH when Ben is injured.
And BILL PARCELLS forgot how to coach when his Dallas QB was QUINCY CARTER.
And Lovie FORGETS how to coach when Cutler is injured.
And Whisenhunt FORGOT how to win without Warner.
players win games
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Easy. Players do win games. But John Fox is 10 times smarter than any of our coaches. He won w Tebow AND Manning. Cause he’s not all about ego. And he’s ok w tailoring game plans to the strengths of the players he has. What a novel FING idea!!! Too bad none of our @sshole coaches have thought of doing that?!?!?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
2romes Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
The Raiders turn around to competitiveness started with Hue. Cable was there the year before and the Raiders were stagnant on offense.When Hue was introduced to cable that is when the offense jump started.
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Don’t be stupid. Hue Jackson took a team that had momentum and single handedly turned it into a piece of sh**. Jackson is one of the top people to blame in this. But it is not about blame, it’s about getting better.
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Come on, be logical and objective about this. We were 8-8 the two years Hue was here. Look at our record the years before (and the year after) him. HE didn’t screw us up the years before he came and the year after.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
The Raiders turn around to competitiveness started with Hue. Cable was there the year before and the Raiders were stagnant on offense.When Hue was introduced to cable that is when the offense jump started.
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No it wasn’t. And since you don’t know, Jackson didn’t install an offense, he just play called. It was Cables offense. Then he took over, and scored 25 points in the second half of six games. And then went 1-4 to end his career. The league has thrown Jackson in the trash. You guys are the idiots holding on to Jackson. Sad.
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Your WRONG!
Al hired Hue as the OC under Cable and Hue changed the whole offensive playbook and got rid of Lames/Kiffins/Cables zone, dink crappy playbook.
Don’t make stuff up Seymour Butts.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
The Hue haters just don’t know what the hell they are talking about.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
0ak r8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
I guess John Fox got SMARTER suddenly with Manning at QB instead of Delhomme.
And Tomlin FORGETS how to COACH when Ben is injured.
And BILL PARCELLS forgot how to coach when his Dallas QB was QUINCY CARTER.
And Lovie FORGETS how to coach when Cutler is injured.
And Whisenhunt FORGOT how to win without Warner.
players win games
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Easy. Players do win games. But John Fox is 10 times smarter than any of our coaches. He won w Tebow AND Manning. Cause he’s not all about ego. And he’s ok w tailoring game plans to the strengths of the players he has. What a novel FING idea!!! Too bad none of our @sshole coaches have thought of doing that?!?!?
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Amen brother
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Then peeps want to replace Palmer now….and then replace with him with who I might ask?
Then that young cat QB is going to be taught by Gregg Knapp??
Oooff! Lol
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You stupid fk. Knapp isn’t the qb coach.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
remember when reggie said we dont need a vet receiver like plax, wonder what cp3 thinks
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We have veteran wide recievers, well at least Hagan. What we need are #1 wide receivers. Plax is nothing, and Reggies right, we do not(did not) need him.
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your comparing hagan to Plax..this is whats crazy in here,,..hagan is a 5th or 6 wr at best..plax had 8 tds last year. its been 8 years since a raider wr had 8 tds..unbelievable..
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On the contrary, maybe it’s folks like you that make “in here” what it is. You mentioned a veteran wide out, like Plax. The term veteran is usually associated with tenure. Wait, let me dumb that down. “Playing time in years or experience”. Hagan has those too. So it’s a very valid comparison. Hell, as rarely as he’s played, he put up better numbers then Plax did today, boy those Steelers are genious! Signing Plax, wouldn’t have done a damn thing unless he can cover WR’s, tackle, block,pass rush and return kicks.
And mark my words. As poorly as he’s played at times, D Moore will record 8 TD’s by years end, unless he is completely benched.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
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Don’t be stupid. Hue did waaaaaay more for this team in two years then DA and Knapp will ever do in 4 years…IF they get that far….which they probably won’t!
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Last time I looked, Knapp was not the one dropping passes out there. Thank GOD Allen benched DHB and Moore and you saw Hagan and Streator out there making plays. At least that’s what I saw. Hue Jackson took a job as an assistant to DB’s and got demoted. Jackson will probably not be in the league much longer. Unless one of you clowns buys a team.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
2romes,
That’s one of the silliest statements to date.
What momentum did we have before Hue? We had doubledigit losses for like 7 straight seasons and the 31st ranked offense the year Hue came in as OC and playcaller, got McFadden going and made us a top 10 offense while shuffling between Campbell and Grads with a rookie LT from a D2 school and a bunch of young WRs.
He killed our momentum by going 8-8?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
DA believes n ZBS and i can see why, Stewart and Reece have been doing good job running in last few games, i just wish they would stick with run and be less predictable in play calling and they need to freaking have better formations to run the plays out of not the same freakin 1’s
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Knapp is an idiot and DA is too for not ordering Knapp to try and balance the offense out.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Who cares what kinda decisions he made, hindsight is always 20/20 fuk you guys talking like we dismantled a superbowl team, you guys talking about the same team that couldn’t win with playoffs on line? please.. the D is same sh1t , nobody can put pressure on QB’s other than Houston
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
The Hue haters just don’t know what the hell they are talking about.
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You are an idiot. Go be a bunghole fan. til Jackson gets fired at the end of the season.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Kapernick was a higher-rated QB coming out of college.
By a lot.
Kap looked composed and accurate in pre-season.
Kap looked great at practices.
Pryor, according to coaches and witnesses, throws ducks at the feet of receivers during pre-season and reg. season practices.
Pryor looked like a run-first, pass-second QB in pre-season.
Why the comparison? They both run fast?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
2romes Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 pm
The Raiders turn around to competitiveness started with Hue. Cable was there the year before and the Raiders were stagnant on offense.When Hue was introduced to cable that is when the offense jump started.
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No it wasn’t. And since you don’t know, Jackson didn’t install an offense, he just play called. It was Cables offense. Then he took over, and scored 25 points in the second half of six games. And then went 1-4 to end his career. The league has thrown Jackson in the trash. You guys are the idiots holding on to Jackson. Sad.
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Your WRONG!
Al hired Hue as the OC under Cable and Hue changed the whole offensive playbook and got rid of Lames/Kiffins/Cables zone, dink crappy playbook.
Don’t make stuff up Seymour Butts.
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If he can’t make things up, he wouldn’t ever post.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
He killed our momentum by going 8-8?
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What is wrong with you? He killed our momentum by going 0-5.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
I got nothing good or bad to say to the optimists or the pessimists right now. Know what I mean, Mr. green?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
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Your WRONG!
Al hired Hue as the OC under Cable and Hue changed the whole offensive playbook and got rid of Lames/Kiffins/Cables zone, dink crappy playbook.
Don’t make stuff up Seymour Butts.
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Show me one thing that says that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Then peeps want to replace Palmer now….and then replace with him with who I might ask?
Then that young cat QB is going to be taught by Gregg Knapp??
Oooff! Lol
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You stupid fk. Knapp isn’t the qb coach.
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Hello jack azz….Knapp is supposed to be more important the the QB coach, he is the OC..he would teach a young QB his offense. The QB coach is just an assistant doing the OC’s bidding.
Are you that naive or something?
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Kapernick was a higher-rated QB coming out of college.
By a lot.
Kap looked composed and accurate in pre-season.
Kap looked great at practices.
Pryor, according to coaches and witnesses, throws ducks at the feet of receivers during pre-season and reg. season practices.
Pryor looked like a run-first, pass-second QB in pre-season.
Why the comparison? They both run fast?
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Racist POS
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
DKnight
But scouts knew Kap was a legit QB. Only reason he lasted til high 2nd round (like Brees) was playing in such a small school and odd throwing motion.
Pryor played at prime-time school and was passed over 70 times as the ONLY player in the draft.
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Scouts liked Pryor more than Kappy starting their last years in college. The difference is Pryor got into some real trouble and they kn ew he would get suspended. Pryor had baggage they didn’t necessarily wnat to deal with unless they could justify it with a low pick. Or Pryor may have gone much higher. How high who knows.
Pryor is a better player than Kappy he’s more poised just as accurate bigger and faster and is more competitive. THye are both very good prospects which no one would admit to a year ago. Everyone said neither could play I’m seeing a very different opinion as of late. Pryor was a joke to most people until they saw what he could do in preaseason now they want to see in real time what he can do.
I’m telling you Pryor has a higher ceiling then Kappy he has a better tough on his passes throws a more catchable pass. And he’s more accurate in the short zones. Kappy zips everything.
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Just for the record, i don’t hate Hue and I’m not in love with DA, just saying what i feel , our D has s8cked for years, they need to put players at good positions and need good players at many positions, nothing will until they get better players
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Facts. What was Cable’s record as head coach without Hue? You can come to me with all the silly stuff ifyou want. fact is fact. I am not sad as to what Hue did. Sad is what i am going through now watching the Raiders.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
So John Fox “TAILORED” the talents of Jimmy Clausen and Cam Newton to the tune of an
8 and 24 RECORD in two seasons.
Ok. Got it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Fellas, there is an old expression in sports: you are only as good as your last at bat. .200 ball, on the strength of a coin flip, otherwise .000 ball, is not good. Not good at all. But you all want jackson back. It boggles the mind.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
2romes, Sorry, I think you were maybe responding to someone else who said this year is Hue’s fault and I read that as your comment.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
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Your WRONG!
Al hired Hue as the OC under Cable and Hue changed the whole offensive playbook and got rid of Lames/Kiffins/Cables zone, dink crappy playbook.
Don’t make stuff up Seymour Butts.
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Show me one thing that says that.
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I don’t have to prove crap. The proof is in the pudding. Google it if you want.
Al didn’t hire Hue to call plays from Lames/Knapps/Cables existing playbook.
Are you for real with that stuff??
Hue changed the whole offensive philosophy to a power/gap/counter/trap/pulling blocking scheme and thru the ball downfield more and ran an effective screen game. Al Saunders was his assistant and OC last year….Saunders isn’t a zone, dink and dunk Lame/Knapp/Cable disciple.
Come on….get with it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Pryor…pshhh. You guys will hold onto anything, It’s rock bottom when people just want to watch anything else.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
remember when reggie said we dont need a vet receiver like plax, wonder what cp3 thinks
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We have veteran wide recievers, well at least Hagan. What we need are #1 wide receivers. Plax is nothing, and Reggies right, we do not(did not) need him.
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your comparing hagan to Plax..this is whats crazy in here,,..hagan is a 5th or 6 wr at best..plax had 8 tds last year. its been 8 years since a raider wr had 8 tds..unbelievable..
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On the contrary, maybe it’s folks like you that make “in here” what it is. You mentioned a veteran wide out, like Plax. The term veteran is usually associated with tenure. Wait, let me dumb that down. “Playing time in years or experience”. Hagan has those too. So it’s a very valid comparison. Hell, as rarely as he’s played, he put up better numbers then Plax did today, boy those Steelers are genious! Signing Plax, wouldn’t have done a damn thing unless he can cover WR’s, tackle, block,pass rush and return kicks.
And mark my words. As poorly as he’s played at times, D Moore will record 8 TD’s by years end, unless he is completely benched.
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my bad , let me dumb this down for you, “veteran WR who actually performs at an above average level.”Plax would have helped Palmer on 3rd down or in red zone , 2 of our biggest weaknesses” BTW, love your boldness on the dmoore prediction and then in the next breathe how you put a caveat to cover your nutsack. thats real balls
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
2romes Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Facts. What was Cable’s record as head coach without Hue?
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Fact: Tom Cable had Jamarcus Russell running his offense. Hue Jackson had Jason Campbell and Carson Palmer. Who would you rather have? Carson and Campbell? Or Russell?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm
umm, Priest??
One QB was taken in the early 2nd round.
The other was passed over 70 times despite being THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT.
Obviously they were NOT regarded as being anywhere near equal.
And most scouts said no one (other than Davis) was touching Pryor that 3rd round either.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm
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I don’t have to prove crap. The proof is in the pudding. Google it if you want.
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So, you just buried your head in the sand. OK then.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Then peeps want to replace Palmer now….and then replace with him with who I might ask?
Then that young cat QB is going to be taught by Gregg Knapp??
Oooff! Lol
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You stupid fk. Knapp isn’t the qb coach.
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Hello jack azz….Knapp is supposed to be more important the the QB coach, he is the OC..he would teach a young QB his offense. The QB coach is just an assistant doing the OC’s bidding.
Are you that naive or something?
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Offense. Whole offense you stupid bootlicker. QB coach works with the qb. O line with oline. Offensive coor works on plays for offense. Go slap yourself for being a moron.
Knapp is the worst cracker in the NFL.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Maybe Reggie and DA should get some slack for having “so much to deal with” etc. but i really thought we should be able to see SOMETHING to show we are on the right track with this regime.
3-9? Really? Defensive minded HC and we get…..THIS?
Was has you guys excited about this new regime?
Penalties down? Who cares?
Moral victory??? (lmao) against a 3-8 Browns team at home?
Mark Davis said it best..”IT’S NOT GOOD ENOUGH”.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Right, wrong or indifferent, views regarding HuJack are no longer relevant. He’s not coming back. So PLEASE, let’s all move forward from this schitty season. What might have or might not have happened discussions belong on Dr. Phil. Our problems now are Reggie, DOA, the assistant coaches & coordinators and the players. Bringing HuJack back into the discussion is wasted effort. Whether you are right or wrong about HuJack. nobody should care any longer – he’s history that will not repeat itself in Oakland. Let’s focus on things that will impact us going forward. HuJack will definitely NOT be part of that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm
umm, Priest??
One QB was taken in the early 2nd round.
The other was passed over 70 times despite being THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT.
Obviously they were NOT regarded as being anywhere near equal.
And most scouts said no one (other than Davis) was touching Pryor that 3rd round either.
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And if Davis did not grab him, he might have been passed over another 100 times.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
2romes Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Facts. What was Cable’s record as head coach without Hue?
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Fact: Tom Cable had Jamarcus Russell running his offense. Hue Jackson had Jason Campbell and Carson Palmer. Who would you rather have? Carson and Campbell? Or Russell?
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Uhh…doesn’t DA and Knapp have Carson for a full season….unlike the chance that Hue was given?
The Hue haters just don’t get it do they?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Chris, it is okay. sometime it gets messy around here. No need to be sorry.I did not say it was Hues fault though.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
I like how the team is making progress as the year is going along we’re blocking better and def ran better while we kinda regressed on O side in final some games last year
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
JB Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Right, wrong or indifferent, views regarding HuJack are no longer relevant. He’s not coming back.
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And last time I looked, Jackson is barely hanging on in the league. If Jackson left us, took over Indy and is 8-3 right now, well, great, good for Jackson. Jackson had his best friend hire him and then got demoted. Jackson sucks.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Fact is….the team has completely regressed and turned the crap from what was developed the last two years while Hue Jackson was with this organization as an OC and then as HC.
The last two years the team pretty much owned the division as well.
Now the division owns us.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Lmao @ Seymour and McFadden20 and whose offense built that momentum? Hue single handedly brought this team out of the doldrums and took this offense into the 21st century. He turned McFadden from bust to arguably the beat back in the league and despite a benching he helped turn DHB’s career around. Look at what our offense did before Hue was here and what it did after he was gone, with basically the SAME personnel
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Reggie had a chance to dump seymour, save 7.5 million off his 15 mil contract and not have any future contract. he decides to give him a new contract that when he cuts seymour next year it hurts our cap number by 5.5 mil. Reggie then not only franchises branch but signs him long term,.
Our fearless leader then signs briesel, worst OL pickup since gallery and when we cut him next year it hits our cap by 2.7 mill. The cherry on top is the restructured Palmer contract that pays him 15 mil next year which i believe is 100% guaranteed. maybe thats the real reason they cant play tp6 just in case he shines and the fan bases wants him instead of palmer.
Reggie had a chance to rebuild but he blew it. There are no excuses for these moves. these were his decisions
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Your a knowledgeable raider fan for sure, and I have seen this post from you a few times, or at least similar ones. Now, I don’t wann make excuses for Reggie, you could be completely right, but I don’t see most of this the same way you do.
As far as Seymour is concerned, I don’t think Reggie really thought we were rebuilding. I know he knew we were thin, but I believe he thought we had a shot at winning. Seymour is a great locker room guy and a leader on that defense. He’s done, I get it. But we didn’t know that at the beginning of the season.
As far as Palmer goes, Reggie had to do something to get cap space for this year. So Palmer took something like $900k this year in exchange for next year. What choice did Reggie have? It’s not like mark and hue tore up palmers contract last year. They took Palmer and ha contract, no questions asked. People would have gone ballistic if we cut Palmer, or traded him for less after just dumping a one and a two for him. So what were his choices? An ld Palmer would be dumb not to take all he could get. That being said, do t be surprised if Reggie gets Palmer to restructure again this year.
Everyone wanted branch when we signed him. This whole blog and all of raider nation was pumped. And, I could be wrong, but I think the cap implications for next year were actually worse if we left branch franchised as opposed to resigning him. I do t know the mechanics of it all, but it’s essentially what happened to us w Nhamdi. We would have had to pay him 14 million or some ridiculous number to keep him. I think branch would have cost 7million plus of we didn’t sign him next year.
Briesel was a piss poor pickup, but I don’t remember anyone saying that when he got picked up. All I read about was how tough and hard noses and What a leader the guy was. Maybe we got fooled, maybe he’s having an off year, I think it’s the worst FA pickup of the year. But I don’t thing anyone, including you at the beginning of the year, predicted that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Seymour, nobody’s buying the importance of the arbitrary 1-4 record as somehow more relevant than the season as a whole. And we easily could’ve and should’ve been 2-3 over that stretch. If McJogger makes an openfield 4th down tackle on Stafford we win the Detroit game. KC game came down to OT, but we had outplayed them for the first 55 minutes or so pretty clearly.-
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
The Houston Texans are awesome because:
a) Gary Kubiak FINALLY learned how to coach.
b) Arian Foster, Arian Foster, Arian Foster, Schaub, Johnson.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Fellas, there is an old expression in sports: you are only as good as your last at bat. .200 ball, on the strength of a coin flip, otherwise .000 ball, is not good. Not good at all. But you all want jackson back. It boggles the mind.
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Another old saying: If you talk like schit, sound like schit, and smell schit, your date is upside down.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
JB Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Right, wrong or indifferent, views regarding HuJack are no longer relevant. He’s not coming back.
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And last time I looked, Jackson is barely hanging on in the league. If Jackson left us, took over Indy and is 8-3 right now, well, great, good for Jackson. Jackson had his best friend hire him and then got demoted. Jackson sucks.
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It’s called politics man. A head coach would is scared to have Hue as OC, because he would be worried about Hue replacing him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
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Uhh…doesn’t DA and Knapp have Carson for a full season….unlike the chance that Hue was given?
The Hue haters just don’t get it do they?
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You didn’t answer the question: who would you rather have? Carson and Campbell or a guy who is sooooo far removed from the league, no one remembers him?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Pryor threw for 2 touchdowns and ran for 1 more in a quarter and a half.
Can Palmer say that?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Don’t get me wrong I was a Coach Cable supporter. I did feel Cable when he went 8-8 with Hue should have gotten another year as head coach.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
What momentum did we have before Hue? We had doubledigit losses for like 7 straight seasons and the 31st ranked offense the year Hue came in as OC and playcaller, got McFadden going and made us a top 10 offense while shuffling between Campbell and Grads with a rookie LT from a D2 school and a bunch of young WRs.
He killed our momentum by going 8-8?
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Hue Haters will never give Hue the credit he deserves, but by the same token they give DA and his staff a pass, and come with a bunch of lame excuses why the team has regressed to #1 pick status, oh its the talent, bad execution, the schedule SAVE IT. We have largely the same starters from last year.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
remember when reggie said we dont need a vet receiver like plax, wonder what cp3 thinks
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We have veteran wide recievers, well at least Hagan. What we need are #1 wide receivers. Plax is nothing, and Reggies right, we do not(did not) need him.
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your comparing hagan to Plax..this is whats crazy in here,,..hagan is a 5th or 6 wr at best..plax had 8 tds last year. its been 8 years since a raider wr had 8 tds..unbelievable..
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On the contrary, maybe it’s folks like you that make “in here” what it is. You mentioned a veteran wide out, like Plax. The term veteran is usually associated with tenure. Wait, let me dumb that down. “Playing time in years or experience”. Hagan has those too. So it’s a very valid comparison. Hell, as rarely as he’s played, he put up better numbers then Plax did today, boy those Steelers are genious! Signing Plax, wouldn’t have done a damn thing unless he can cover WR’s, tackle, block,pass rush and return kicks.
And mark my words. As poorly as he’s played at times, D Moore will record 8 TD’s by years end, unless he is completely benched.
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my bad , let me dumb this down for you, “veteran WR who actually performs at an above average level.”Plax would have helped Palmer on 3rd down or in red zone , 2 of our biggest weaknesses” BTW, love your boldness on the dmoore prediction and then in the next breathe how you put a caveat to cover your nutsack. thats real balls
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Oh I stand by my predicition. But I’m by no means a psychic. Who the hell knows what could happen. It’s Oakland. But FOR SURE, 8 td’s! Why waste snaps on Plax, instead I got to see that snazzy one handed grab from Criner. You likley turned the set off before then. So while my nutsack is in your mouth, lets just keep it there.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Read carefully idiots.
Those players were good enough to win 8 games each of the previous 2 years under different Coaching staffs, we were supposed to get better this season under the new staff.
Anyway, if the talent is as bad as some say, that means Cable and Hue are OUTSTANDING Head Coaches for getting them to 8 wins and close to the playoffs.
That’s it, so get it trough your heads, blaming the players means you acknowledge Hue Jackson did a great job coming a win away from the playoffs with mostly the same key guys.
End of story, can’t have it both ways.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
You say cracker, crow?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
It’s called politics man. A head coach would is scared to have Hue as OC, because he would be worried about Hue replacing him.
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As an HC I would be terrified to have him call plays. He did nothing in weeks 6-11 for us last season. 5.6 seond half points is not very good.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Hue aint coming back?! WTF?
What people are saying it was a terrible mistake to fire him after only one season as HC and all of you Hue haters who wanted him fired, look stupid also.
Cause you got what you wanted. DA and Knapp running this team and they suck, which is a reflection of this team.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
I am with you on this, Seymour. What the heck is it to be crying about Hue at this point? The divorce was final a year ago. Move on, losers!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Just for the record, i don’t hate Hue and I’m not in love with DA, just saying what i feel , our D has s8cked for years, they need to put players at good positions and need good players at many positions, nothing will until they get better players
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For the record? You think you are also a blog personality? Dream on, loser. No one cares about what you feel about Hue, or what color your shorts are.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm
umm, Priest??
One QB was taken in the early 2nd round.
The other was passed over 70 times despite being THE ONLY PLAYER IN THE SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT.
Obviously they were NOT regarded as being anywhere near equal.
And most scouts said no one (other than Davis) was touching Pryor that 3rd round either.
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Stop lying fool…
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 pm
The problem is this team should not be calling this many passing plays, like wtf who are we going to throw too? Moore? who freaking drops every pass in the middle, DHB? please, Streater? makes spectacular plays here and there but not ready yet, Criner? too slow, it’s bread and butter is running the ball, and we were doing good at that, freaking hate that knapp can’t see that, that’s how we won games last year, running the freakin ball , but still the D needs to have better players before we can think about beating good teams
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Bob Marley Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Read carefully idiots.
Those players were good enough to win 8 games each of the previous 2 years under different Coaching staffs, we were supposed to get better this season under the new staff.
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Why were we supposed to get better?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Hue aint coming back?! WTF?
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Gruden ain’t coming back either.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
i dont think Hue deserves any hate, and i also think hue lovers have a legit beef if reggie and da are retained next year. he had just as many excuses if not more than reggie.
but it time to move on, people dont seem to realize how reggies decisions with seymour, branch , briesel, and palmer are going to hurt our cap next year. Im not sure reggie is capable and while he spent 75% talking about his excuses, i dint hear much that made me confident about him as our leader in the future
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
“Have you met the typical nyc guy? let me know because there are tons of diversity here and my guess is you have no clu”
Pardon my lack of specificity. Costas is the typical NYC “elite.” IOW, he travels in circles that afford him protection the average American doesn’t have—highly protected NYC hotels, protected workplace (studio), limos, network body guards for when he’s on the road, etc. So, he figures, “Why does anyone need a gun?”
I’d like to tell him that some people actually do need one, but even if they didn’t, a little thing like the Constitution says they don’t have to have a reason to have one.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Fire DA and Knapp, and maybe I’ll buy a ticket. Not one minute before.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Bob Marley, I think all of us admit that Knapp is the reason the offense has gone bad. Hue was better than Knapp, no question about it!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
It’s called politics man. A head coach would is scared to have Hue as OC, because he would be worried about Hue replacing him.
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As an HC I would be terrified to have him call plays. He did nothing in weeks 6-11 for us last season. 5.6 seond half points is not very good.
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Having a crappy defense and some clown names Chuck B running is not very good either.
You have no credibility, just like the rest of the minority of Hue haters in here.
And you and the other small group of Hue haters actually thought another coach would take this team to the next level from what Hue did last year??
LOL! Laughable.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Read carefully idiots.
Those players were good enough to win 8 games each of the previous 2 years under different Coaching staffs, we were supposed to get better this season under the new staff.
Anyway, if the talent is as bad as some say, that means Cable and Hue are OUTSTANDING Head Coaches for getting them to 8 wins and close to the playoffs.
That’s it, so get it trough your heads, blaming the players means you acknowledge Hue Jackson did a great job coming a win away from the playoffs with mostly the same key guys.
End of story, can’t have it both ways.
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That makes too much sense. As we say in the Hood “it’s too much like right”…
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
i dont think Hue deserves any hate, and i also think hue lovers have a legit beef if reggie and da are retained next year. he had just as many excuses if not more than reggie.
but it time to move on, people dont seem to realize how reggies decisions with seymour, branch , briesel, and palmer are going to hurt our cap next year. Im not sure reggie is capable and while he spent 75% talking about his excuses, i dint hear much that made me confident about him as our leader in the future
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Yep!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Oak R8ers
Learn from history. Did you see what happened with Tampa Bay last year when they tried to go all young? 4-12.
The Raiders need MORE veteran players, not more rookies running wrong routes, learning on the go, and being overwhelmed.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Hue aint coming back?! WTF?
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Gruden ain’t coming back either.
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Shut up, bootlicker. Hue had more talent in just one of his manicured toes than Gruden had in his finger.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Hue is the one that gave up a 1st and 2nd round draft pick, not Reggie!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 pm
The Houston Texans are awesome because:
a) Gary Kubiak FINALLY learned how to coach.
b) Arian Foster, Arian Foster, Arian Foster, Schaub, Johnson.
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Did you hear Reggie “I WANT TO WIN UP FRONT WITH THE BIG BOYS” further more did you see ALA oline crush Georgia’s D to the tune of 300 yards rushing.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
And the SD game was winnable as well. Remember we score a TD to cut it to 5 with about 9 mins to go? Then we almost get a safety on the ensuing kick off and wind up pinning the at their own 1l Then SD went 99 yards on like 4 plays to kill what seemed like insurmountable momentum.
In that context, why was everyone so shocked and appalled at Hue for going off on our defense in the postgame presser? Those guys deserved to get chewed out.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Read carefully idiots.
Those players were good enough to win 8 games each of the previous 2 years under different Coaching staffs, we were supposed to get better this season under the new staff.
Anyway, if the talent is as bad as some say, that means Cable and Hue are OUTSTANDING Head Coaches for getting them to 8 wins and close to the playoffs.
That’s it, so get it trough your heads, blaming the players means you acknowledge Hue Jackson did a great job coming a win away from the playoffs with mostly the same key guys.
End of story, can’t have it both ways.
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Yep!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Hue aint coming back?! WTF?
What people are saying it was a terrible mistake to fire him after only one season as HC and all of you Hue haters who wanted him fired, look stupid also.
Cause you got what you wanted. DA and Knapp running this team and they suck, which is a reflection of this team.
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I finally completely agree with you. The only difference between my beliefs and yours is you give a lot of credit to Jackson for our success last year and the year before. I feel this team started to regress last year, that the players are the ones that are responsible, the players have been responsible for the last 9 years, and I want the roster changed.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
The problem is this team should not be calling this many passing plays, like wtf who are we going to throw too? Moore? who freaking drops every pass in the middle, DHB? please, Streater? makes spectacular plays here and there but not ready yet, Criner? too slow, it’s bread and butter is running the ball, and we were doing good at that, freaking hate that knapp can’t see that, that’s how we won games last year, running the freakin ball , but still the D needs to have better players before we can think about beating good teams
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Blame your Lord and Master, Dennis Allen…
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 pm
And the SD game was winnable as well. Remember we score a TD to cut it to 5 with about 9 mins to go? Then we almost get a safety on the ensuing kick off and wind up pinning the at their own 1l Then SD went 99 yards on like 4 plays to kill what seemed like insurmountable momentum.
In that context, why was everyone so shocked and appalled at Hue for going off on our defense in the postgame presser? Those guys deserved to get chewed out.
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Yep!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
W/O making any excuses for Palmer, I wonder how many QB’s have had success with BAD teams with BAD players?
Have there really been any? I mean a QB who carries a team that is devoid of talent at every level?
Serious question.
The reason i ask is it seems some here are pining for a new QB as if it will magically make us a playoff team.
Doesn’t matter cuz this roster will be overhauled for next yr. and i can’t wait.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Priestt
where were you the last off-season?
Did you not see us losing our “best” players due to ridiculous contracts?
Hard to repeat 8-8 when you have to cut many of your better players and can’t replace them because you have no high draft picks and few FAs want to come here.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Kirk Says:
Pryor threw for 2 touchdowns and ran for 1 more in a quarter and a half.
Can Palmer say that?
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Well, not exactly. He’s done better in less time in real NFL games numerous times though. If that counts for anything. I really hope Pryor can replace Palmer in 2014 and Palmer can take it easy as #2. Can you name a better #2 than a 34 year old Palmer?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Bradford beat Colin, Quinn beat Cam,
Give me the statue QB, who doesn’t shoot himself in the foot in the 4th quarter. ============= AND Manning beat Freeman….in other words WHITE BEATS MONKEY….like usual
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Nobody is freaking hating Hue, it’s just you guys are annoying as fuk with Hue this and Hue that , our team has s8cked for many years in a row and we won’t do sh1t until fix our D, yeah i know our run game was awesome , but tell me again what did our run game did against good opponents, i don’t want to freaking be happy beating up average teams, i want to build a good D team and i want this team to get a #1 receiver next year and become a team that can win both phases not just rely on the running game because that will only take you so far with an Average D
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
It does not matter what anybody says or thinks now. Wait until next season at this time. Then we will have a very good idea if Mark Davis did the right thing by naming Reggie Mac GM!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
EastOakland,
Texans emergence has a lot to do with Wade Phillips as DC. That team could score before under Kubiak, but the D was terrible year after year. In Phillips’ first season they became one of the best Ds in the NFL.
Coaching.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Theplank Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
remember when reggie said we dont need a vet receiver like plax, wonder what cp3 thinks
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We have veteran wide recievers, well at least Hagan. What we need are #1 wide receivers. Plax is nothing, and Reggies right, we do not(did not) need him.
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your comparing hagan to Plax..this is whats crazy in here,,..hagan is a 5th or 6 wr at best..plax had 8 tds last year. its been 8 years since a raider wr had 8 tds..unbelievable..
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On the contrary, maybe it’s folks like you that make “in here” what it is. You mentioned a veteran wide out, like Plax. The term veteran is usually associated with tenure. Wait, let me dumb that down. “Playing time in years or experience”. Hagan has those too. So it’s a very valid comparison. Hell, as rarely as he’s played, he put up better numbers then Plax did today, boy those Steelers are genious! Signing Plax, wouldn’t have done a damn thing unless he can cover WR’s, tackle, block,pass rush and return kicks.
And mark my words. As poorly as he’s played at times, D Moore will record 8 TD’s by years end, unless he is completely benched.
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my bad , let me dumb this down for you, “veteran WR who actually performs at an above average level.”Plax would have helped Palmer on 3rd down or in red zone , 2 of our biggest weaknesses” BTW, love your boldness on the dmoore prediction and then in the next breathe how you put a caveat to cover your nutsack. thats real balls
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Oh I stand by my predicition. But I’m by no means a psychic. Who the hell knows what could happen. It’s Oakland. But FOR SURE, 8 td’s! Why waste snaps on Plax, instead I got to see that snazzy one handed grab from Criner. You likley turned the set off before then. So while my nutsack is in your mouth, lets just keep it there.
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another caveat”its oakland”. typical for balless guys like you. keep fantasizing about when a WR makes one good play it turns him into a star. considering you have no balls, i wont even address your stupid nutsack comment..keepem in your hands if you can find em..
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:16 pm
And Knapp is reason # 1 why our offense has been bad compared to Hue’s offense! Get rid of the effin’ bum!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:16 pm
also, we didnt play the:
Falcons, Ravens, Steelers, Saints, Bucs, Peyton Manning (twice), and Bengals
last year.
We had FEW games the last two years vs playoff teams. And how did we do? BLOWOUTS vs Steelers, Packers, and Patriots.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Post 496 agreed, id have a lil more respect for DA if he got angry and chewed a guy out.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Bring back Gruden…..
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
When you say Hue sucks know one can change your opinion about him. I think it is somewhat cynical that you and fans like you want us to let go of the best thing the happen to the Raiders for a decade because of a personilty conflict you have with Hue. I guess 3-9 brings you happiness?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
I finally completely agree with you. The only difference between my beliefs and yours is you give a lot of credit to Jackson for our success last year and the year before. I feel this team started to regress last year, that the players are the ones that are responsible, the players have been responsible for the last 9 years, and I want the roster changed.
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Seymour check your roster man it’s been changing continously. The main ingredients are still there but you act as if we have the same players Kiffin had. That team is mostly gone. These players we have now Hue jackson won with them.In fact never had DMC and Palmer on the same field together like DA and Knapp.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Bob Marley Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Read carefully idiots.
Those players were good enough to win 8 games each of the previous 2 years under different Coaching staffs, we were supposed to get better this season under the new staff.
Anyway, if the talent is as bad as some say, that means Cable and Hue are OUTSTANDING Head Coaches for getting them to 8 wins and close to the playoffs.
That’s it, so get it trough your heads, blaming the players means you acknowledge Hue Jackson did a great job coming a win away from the playoffs with mostly the same key guys.
End of story, can’t have it both ways.
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I agree. The difference is I see a HC Tom Cable who took over after the Kiffin debacle, got his team straightened out, got his team playing hard, came back for a second season, again, got his team playing well, and if not for a last minute rally by Peyton Manning and the playoff bound Colts would have won 4 of his last 5.
I then saw Jackson who could not call the lst game call flip giving the opponent the ball twice, floundering, squandering the momentum that Cable gained, and losing 4 of his last five which is where we are right now. We have not hit bottom.
Oh, and Jackson is hanging by his manicured fingernails and has been demoted, and Tom Cable is the Assistant Head Coach for Pete Carroll who is in the hunt. Looks like the league has taken my side in this.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
beach Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:16 pm
And Knapp is reason # 1 why our offense has been bad compared to Hue’s offense! Get rid of the effin’ bum!
……………………………………
Knapp is the worst OC I have seen in 50 years of watching pro football.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
EastOakland,
Texans emergence has a lot to do with Wade Phillips as DC. That team could score before under Kubiak, but the D was terrible year after year. In Phillips’ first season they became one of the best Ds in the NFL.
Coaching.
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Yeah, i know coaching matters but they used draft pick after draft pick on Dline guys, Mario Williams was #1 Pick, JJ Watt #2 , Demeco Ryans and so many others and they drafted guys who were fit for their schemes, not just drafted them and put them in what ever scheme they wanted to use
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
5 straight loses and they’re still not convinced..lol
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:20 pm
Houston D vs legit teams this year:
Broncos – 25 points.
Packers – 42 points.
Lions – 31 points.
Then they beat the Jaguars twice and the Titans twice.
And the Dolphins. And Bills. And Jets.
Meh.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:20 pm
http://www.adameve.com/adult-sex-toys/vibrators/clit-vibrators/sp-wild-orgasm-pierced-flicker-vibrator-86227.aspx
My wife just ordered one of these for herself. Looks like fun. I’m sure dumb beech has his own personal toy.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Bring back Hue and Norv as his OC.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
We haven’t stopped passing game in years, even Weeden had freaking years to throw behind that Line, they couldn’t even sniff him on 3rd and 18 play
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
This team sucks and its all Dennis all fault
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
5 straight loses and they’re still not convinced..lol
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We were 5-11 for 7 straight years under Al. Why were you not convinced then?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Last Raider winning season: 10 years ago.
Yet some will blame EVERY coach that’s been here.
Norv leaves and makes playoffs THREE years in a row.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
EastOakland,
Texans emergence has a lot to do with Wade Phillips as DC. That team could score before under Kubiak, but the D was terrible year after year. In Phillips’ first season they became one of the best Ds in the NFL.
Coaching.
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This is true. But we also don’t have an Andre Johnson or Arian Foster, or J.J. Watt or Brian Cushing or Jonathan Joseph.
Look at the Whiners: we don’t have a Frank Gore, or a Iupati or a Vernon Davis, or a Justin Smith, Aldon Smith, Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Donte Whitner or Deshon Goldston.
Compare those players to our players.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Knapp called a good game today, start to finish. This game is on the players. A F all the way around for this report card.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm
if a team finishes 3-13 is nt it the norm to make some type of change in either the front office, hc, or coaching staff? i’m all for new players, but if reggie/DA/and knapp are all employed by us in 2013 isnt there something wrong?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Depends on what I was supposed to be convinced of….
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Norv Turner:
9-23 in Oakland.
32-16 in San Diego right after leaving here.
IT’S THE PLAYERS!!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
We have same problem from last year and you guys want to cry about Hue? O could be easily coached into a top unit with better OC next year, but our season will still depend on how well our O does next year, who cares we ain;t winning this year, better draft position means we can draft a beast pass rusher, and keep drafting pass rushers, that’s how you win SBs now , proven by NYG by beating Pats twice
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
True, but even withRyans and Williams playing well individuallly I was still a shoddy defense before Wade got there.
Success just follows some coaches. Like Wade as a DC, Harbaugh and Parcells as HCs. I just don’t buy that coaching is unimportant and has no impact, as many DA / Reggie apologists would have you believe.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Chris In NY Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
EastOakland,
Texans emergence has a lot to do with Wade Phillips as DC. That team could score before under Kubiak, but the D was terrible year after year. In Phillips’ first season they became one of the best Ds in the NFL.
Coaching.
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Totally agree, I was just pointing out to Alex7 that oline is the foundation of any team, he believes you can just throw any olinemen out there and the team will succeed as long as you have good skill players, that was some of the dumbest schit I ever heard.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Norv Turner:
9-23 in Oakland.
32-16 in San Diego right after leaving here.
IT’S THE PLAYERS!!!!
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didnt Marty have a much better record than norv but was replaced because of his playoff performances?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
how well our D does next year ***
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 pm
nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm
if a team finishes 3-13 is nt it the norm to make some type of change in either the front office, hc, or coaching staff? i’m all for new players, but if reggie/DA/and knapp are all employed by us in 2013 isnt there something wrong?
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absolutely positively…
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Nyc
can’t think of a SINGLE other team that trades away or blows 1st and 2nd round picks, maxes out their cap every year for a decade,
and can get ZERO PRO BOWL PLAYERS in return.
So no, smart people (like Vegas bookies) knew we were in a world of hurt this year.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 pm
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Seymour check your roster man it’s been changing continously. The main ingredients are still there but you act as if we have the same players Kiffin had.
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Huh? Jamarcus? Mario Henderson? Chokie Lee Higgins? Lamont Jordan? Terdell Sands? schweigert? How many of those guys made names for themselves?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 pm
True, but even withRyans and Williams playing well individuallly I was still a shoddy defense before Wade got there.
Success just follows some coaches. Like Wade as a DC, Harbaugh and Parcells as HCs. I just don’t buy that coaching is unimportant and has no impact, as many DA / Reggie apologists would have you believe.
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That was the case of coaches not knowing how to use the players, like Knapp, Houston’s talent was always there, Mario Williams was a #1 overall pick for a reason, they drafted Amobe okoye top ten and other players for front 7, talent is there, for us ? nope there is no talent on this team
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Last Raider winning season: 10 years ago.
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And who played on the oline those winning years?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Nyc
can’t think of a SINGLE other team that trades away or blows 1st and 2nd round picks, maxes out their cap every year for a decade,
and can get ZERO PRO BOWL PLAYERS in return.
So no, smart people (like Vegas bookies) knew we were in a world of hurt this year.
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has reggie earned your confidence as the guy to turn all this around
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Our roster has maybe, MAYBE, SEVEN GUYS that could start for other rosters. That is 3.5 guys per squad. That is not very good.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Nobody is saying Reg and DA convinced us that they have it , but you won’t really find that out until they get more time to changes
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Redskins finished similar 5-11 last year and kept coaches intact.
Browns finished 4-12 last year kept coaches intact.
Panthers finished 6-10 last year kept coaches intact.
They knew they didn’t have the PLAYERS yet.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
And to all you Manti teo lovers get ready for a rude awakening ALA is gonna run the ball right down Manti’s throat and he wont be able to do schit about it just like Jarvis Jones.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Read carefully idiots.
Those players were good enough to win 8 games each of the previous 2 years under different Coaching staffs, we were supposed to get better this season under the new staff.
Anyway, if the talent is as bad as some say, that means Cable and Hue are OUTSTANDING Head Coaches for getting them to 8 wins and close to the playoffs.
That’s it, so get it trough your heads, blaming the players means you acknowledge Hue Jackson did a great job coming a win away from the playoffs with mostly the same key guys.
End of story, can’t have it both ways.
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Yep!
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Umh no. We lost Wimbley and Scott. Huge losses for the defensive line. McLain has been exposed as a failure, as has Branch.
As far as last year, we got lucky in a few games. The Houston game was a miracle. Idiots only had 10 men on the field, and we were trying to lose. We beat an AP less Vikings team w a rookie QB by 6, and a friggin Caleb Hanie led bears team by 5!!! And if you take away the last Kansas City game, we gave up 146 points in the other 4 of last 5 games of the year. And of course lost them all. True, we could have been 9 and 7 and squeezed into the playoffs, but we could also have been, and probably should have been 5 and 11 or maybe even 4 and 12. Last year was a mirage.
As far as cable goes? We got 6 of our wins inside our pathetic division. We couldn’t even beat friggin Arizona that year. 2 and 8 against the rest of the league. Another mirage.
So we lost some of our impact players, and now the rest of the guys r all of a sudden playing to their ability, which isn’t much. I was fooled too at the beginning of this year. I thought we would be somewhere between 10 and 6 to 6 and 10. I never thought it would be this bad. But I knew we got lucky the last two years. Just not lucky enough to make the playoffs.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Nyc
HOW CAN REGGIE EARN CONFIDENCE
when he’s had ZERO 1st or 2nd round picks to use
was given a team OVER the cap last year
and had Chuck Pagano LAUGH at coming to Oakland because of mess Davis left here?
Smart people will give Reggie 2 seasons to show progress, and 3 to really grade him.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
@cNycraider Says
Learned a new word today in the Sunday funnies? “Caveat”, impressive. Rolls off your tung real nice, just like my…..oh nevermind. Unfortunately, the arguments grown stale with your last response, and we’ll just leave it at that. We both know where it goes, and I’m sure I can find something better to do. So I’ll bid fair well. Anyways, I don’t hate you man, don’t take yourself so seriously. I can assure you, it is Oakland. And for now, it will always be the most unique sports team among all sports. To bad, of late about the only thing you can expect, is mediocre football.(Terrible at present). And if you think Plax is one of the key things were missing right now. Feel free, but I don’t think it would make any difference at a 1 yr 925,000. I think those snaps were best spent on Streeter and Criner. Who no, I would not label stars, now or even predict. But they are on the roster, so I pull for them to succeed. Being as they haven’t already revealed their potential or lack of, like some players. We have many more needs then Plax. I know you know that. But it’s meaningless talk, thats all. Peace bro, have fun searching for the caveats tonight. You’re sure to find many!
It’s as good as any other day to be a Raider fan, at least since 2002. The team best known around the country as the “Once proud Oakland Raiders”, and thats being kind. Pity.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Our roster has maybe, MAYBE, SEVEN GUYS that could start for other rosters. That is 3.5 guys per squad. That is not very good.
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Sure have another drink, these players can win with leadership and coaching……….they don’t get that.
You guys always say that because you know it can’t be proven….or else you’d look stupid.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
5 straight loses and they’re still not convinced..lol
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We were 5-11 for 7 straight years under Al. Why were you not convinced then?
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You wonder why we have been terrible? we could never get a lst rounder to play like a lst rounder. Jamarcus. mcFadden DHB. Huff. Gallery. McClain. Wisneiwski. You can stop right here and see why this team is no good.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Oak8
logic scares people away here. You’re making high-intelligence, statistically-backed claims here
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“We beat an AP-less Vikings team w a rookie QB by 6, and a friggin Caleb Hanie led bears team by 5!!!”
We also beat a Kyle Orton Broncos team before being smashed by the improved Tebow one.
We were very lucky last year with our easy schedule to win 8 games.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
And to all you Manti teo lovers get ready for a rude awakening ALA is gonna run the ball right down Manti’s throat and he wont be able to do schit about it just like Jarvis Jones.
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You obviously haven’t watched much of notre dame this year. Alabama won’t score more than 13. It’s not all about Teo. ND is the best team in the country, young secondary and sophomore QB and all. Stop hating. Recognize ND IS BACK!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Smart people will give Reggie 3 years. Meaning, 90% of Raider fans will give Reggie less than one.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
I finally completely agree with you. The only difference between my beliefs and yours is you give a lot of credit to Jackson for our success last year and the year before. I feel this team started to regress last year, that the players are the ones that are responsible, the players have been responsible for the last 9 years, and I want the roster changed.
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Seymour check your roster man it’s been changing continously.
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Sorry Priest I think I missed your point.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Vegas looked at our roster in August and booked us for 4-6 wins this year.
They kinda know what they’re doing.
Our roster is TERRIBLE.
Has been for most of the last 10 years.
PRO BOWL RAIDER PLAYERS, ANYONE?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm
yeah exactly these guys are all hyped up over close victories over bad teams, yeah we regressed on win, maybe we could have won 1 extra game with better O, but that would do much moving forward
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm
priest called Tom Cable an “outstanding” coach today.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 pm
that wouldn’t do much moving forward
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
exactly. Guy hasn’t had a single normal off-season to work yet, JUST THIS YEAR installed and invested in legit scouts, and people want results already.
lol, why they mock Raider fans’ intelligence.
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Sullivan44 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Smart people will give Reggie 3 years. Meaning, 90% of Raider fans will give Reggie less than one.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
I appreciate Hue because he bettered the team. If Reggie and DA were doing that I would have no beef with them. I am not impressed by Reggie’s or DA first move nor am I impressed by their moves to date. The few that do not want to give Hue Jackson credit tell us what you are counting on next year from Reggie and DA Because they already failed in the progression of the Raiders in one year whereas Hue jackson passed.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
A lot of fans still had faith in Al after his 7th straight losing season. I’m willing to give Reggie 3 years.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
As far as cable goes? We got 6 of our wins inside our pathetic division. We couldn’t even beat friggin Arizona that year. 2 and 8 against the rest of the league. Another mirage.
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Well again, if you remember that Arizona game we drove down the field for a 28 yard FG for the win on the last play of the game and Jamikowsky shanked it. He has barely missed since. Otherwise we would have had a winning record. And after that game, the team spiraled down. Cable did a good job pulling it out of the death spiral.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Reggie sucks, DA sucks, raiders suck get use to it.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Nyc
HOW CAN REGGIE EARN CONFIDENCE
when he’s had ZERO 1st or 2nd round picks to use
was given a team OVER the cap last year
and had Chuck Pagano LAUGH at coming to Oakland because of mess Davis left here?
Smart people will give Reggie 2 seasons to show progress, and 3 to really grade him.
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reggie will get 2 or 3 years, but i think he set us back big time with his decisions on seymour, branch,briesel, and palmer. especially if we were rebuilding.
forget about all the whiffs in free agency , i understand those excuses. but reggie made some big time errors in judgement and i am very concerned about him leading our franchise.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 pm
2romes Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
I appreciate Hue because he bettered the team.
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How did he better the team? He had his team playing .200 ball at the end? How is that “bettering the team”?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Priest was okay with 7 straight seasons of going 11 or more losses but won’t give new management chance with fair change against other teams in FA and Draft, not while other teams improve their teams by signing #1 players at key position, we’re looking for other teams trash because we can’t sign anybody good and other teams have picks in first 2 rounds, we will till mid 3rd to trade, c’mon how are you going to get better with that ?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Dude you are one sick troll now I get what everyone has been saying….peace!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Do you guys not remember Mariucci at Cal? Mariucci won his lst 6 games. Then lost his next 5 and then lost a bowl game. And Cal rightfully fired him. Going 0-6 at the end means you get the axe.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Vegas looked at a rookie GM and HC and were quick to mark those records. Enough said.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 pm
What management was I Okay with losing…………..name one coach I was OKAY with him LOSING NAME ONE…………………not even one of my favorites..
I was Okay with Hue Jackson because I loved his offense and at least he went 500. This garbage you can have it ……..period
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
we wont get it together until we build up the O and D lines period we need to grab one of those olinemen off Bama or take the pass rusher from A&M that would be a good start.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
how did we do last two years vs legit teams?
Lost 31-19 to Patriots.
Lost 46-16 to Packers.
Lost 35-3 to the Steelers.
Lost to the Colts.
Lost to the Lions.
Lost to the 49ers.
Lost twice to the Dolphins.
That Davis Texans’ game is the ONLY time we’ve beat a legit non-AFC West team the last 3 years.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
This system and flow chart, as is, stays in tact until they lose their 8th game next year.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
aka
we weren’t really that good.
we weren’t that close.
We had no pro-bowl talent then,
and still don’t.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
how did we do last two years vs legit teams?
Lost 31-19 to Patriots.
Lost 46-16 to Packers.
Lost 35-3 to the Steelers.
Lost to the Colts.
Lost to the Lions.
Lost to the 49ers.
Lost twice to the Dolphins.
That Davis Texans’ game is the ONLY time we’ve beat a legit non-AFC West team the last 3 years.
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Thank you
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 pm
so with the 3rd overall pick in the draft the Raiders select?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Post 568 DA is well on his way to 0-6 down the stretch so you agree its about time he gets the axe?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Reggie could’ve stayed pat no need to go get someone else’ trash keep your own and develope them. how is getting someone else’s TRASH going to help you?
That is just DUMB….
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 pm
He bettered the part he control of for to seasons. look up Raiders offense under him as head coach. Don’t get lost.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Not to forget we went down 34-0 in Miami going into 4th quarter in week 13, and same thing the following week against GB, before putting up our first points, yet these guys want to come here and tell us players played hard for Hue and giving up on DA LMAO
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Need some help RAIDER NATION…
I rolled up into the O.co parking lot and the attendant said $35!!! I was like,”dude I only paid $25 each for my tickets!”
Can you guys give me some alternate locations to park.Is the BART lot FREE to park on?
I am going to the W’s game tmrw and Raider game Denver…I don’t want to fork over $70 more dollars for parking
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Nyc
lol, can you PICTURE what we’d look like without Seymour and Palmer? 1-10.
Nothing wrong with keeping a FEW veterans while you re-build the team. Can’t have Pryor and a bunch of Giordanos out there just to save money for one season.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I do remember. And I thought cable should have gotten another year. I thought he earned it. But that’s not my point. My point is out players suck. So do a lot of our coaches, and maybe management too. But our players DEFINITELY suck. I’m willing to wait and see w management and HC and a few of the assistants. I really like Tarver actually, he’s the only one that can give me any sense that any of our coaches have a clue when you listen to him. No boring “coach speak”.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
When independent analysts start calling your HC a fool and a 15 year old you know he is on the way out.
DA will be lucky to last until the final game.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Reggie could’ve stayed pat no need to go get someone else’ trash keep your own and develope them. how is getting someone else’s TRASH going to help you?
That is just DUMB….
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WTF ?? DEVELOP who? half of those players reggie let go aren’t even in the league any more , C’mon man
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
One thing about it if these boys don’t get it right real soon we have an owner who will show them the door. That is enough for me.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Raven
I’ve always parked in the nearby In-&-Out parking lot on the other side of the bridge. It’s like a 3-block walk and FREE.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
we wont get it together until we build up the O and D lines period we need to grab one of those olinemen off Bama or take the pass rusher from A&M that would be a good start.
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I think this is exactly right. Without a pass rusher and some Oline help, this team is not going anywhere. Ever.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
As far as cable goes? We got 6 of our wins inside our pathetic division. We couldn’t even beat friggin Arizona that year. 2 and 8 against the rest of the league. Another mirage.
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Well again, if you remember that Arizona game we drove down the field for a 28 yard FG for the win on the last play of the game and Jamikowsky shanked it. He has barely missed since. Otherwise we would have had a winning record. And after that game, the team spiraled down. Cable did a good job pulling it out of the death spiral.
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0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I do remember. And I thought cable should have gotten another year. I thought he earned it. But that’s not my point. My point is out players suck. So do a lot of our coaches, and maybe management too. But our players DEFINITELY suck. I’m willing to wait and see w management and HC and a few of the assistants. I really like Tarver actually, he’s the only one that can give me any sense that any of our coaches have a clue when you listen to him. No boring “coach speak”.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
This system and flow chart, as is, stays in tact until they lose their 8th game next year.
>> hey its my fav Al Davis hater fakemaddenraider. hey man AD died LAST season and the Raiders are going to finish 3-13 with the worst defense in franchise history. Guess that blows your “when AD dies the Raiders will be Good” life mission doesn’t it?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
lol priest. You’ve been owned.
mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Priest was okay with 7 straight seasons of going 11 or more losses but won’t give new management chance with fair change against other teams in FA and Draft, not while other teams improve their teams by signing #1 players at key position, we’re looking for other teams trash because we can’t sign anybody good and other teams have picks in first 2 rounds, we will till mid 3rd to trade,
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
You’re lying almost all of them are in the league…………if only on a PS their getting NFL paychecks being developed by other org. why not here?
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Yeah, if the Raiders win in ‘13, ‘14, and beyond, it would totally blow my “When AD dies the Raiders will be Good” mission…
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Most of those org’s at leats are winning we aren’t yet they weren’t good enough to stay here. Right!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
And to all you Manti teo lovers get ready for a rude awakening ALA is gonna run the ball right down Manti’s throat and he wont be able to do schit about it just like Jarvis Jones.
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You obviously haven’t watched much of notre dame this year. Alabama won’t score more than 13. It’s not all about Teo. ND is the best team in the country, young secondary and sophomore QB and all. Stop hating. Recognize ND IS BACK!
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Yeah back to get their ass whupped. if Bama only scores 13 that means the final score will be 13-0 Bama and BTW I hate Bama and will be rooting for ND, but I gotta call it like I see it and it may be over by halftime.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
One thing about it if these boys don’t get it right real soon we have an owner who will show them the door. That is enough for me.
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The best thing I saw in this last game was after two drops by DHB and one reception in four targets to Moore, in came Hagan and Streator. And our offense played better. There is your message right there. This is what I talk about all the time. I don’t fall in love with players, I fall in love with production. I hope Streator and Hagan start against Dungver.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
A few guys keep saying the Raiders did not beat good teams. Good teams can play bad in the playoffs. We wanted another year under Hue to beat your so called good teams.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
My point is out players suck.
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Yup.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
ND vs. Bama….don’t know who to root against.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Dolphins have built up their O-line and D-line and continue to suck because their QB and WRs suck.
Bears, Packers, and Lions make the playoffs because their QB and WRs are good,
despite having TERRIBLE o-lines.
Give up the 1970 NFL o-line rhetoric already.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Half of the players aren’t even in the league lol, like staying pat with same stupid players which went 1-5 down the stretch would improve our team this year and we will compete with teams who added more talent through FA and Draft wow
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
But it is Reggie’s baby now all I care about is Mark Davis’ will fire his ass if he can’t get it right. He knows that now….this aint that kind of party where he can rest on the next 3 years with no production.
He better get it done…………period
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Nyc
lol, can you PICTURE what we’d look like without Seymour and Palmer? 1-10.
Nothing wrong with keeping a FEW veterans while you re-build the team. Can’t have Pryor and a bunch of Giordanos out there just to save money for one season.
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but reggie could have cut seymour saved 7.5 mil of his 15 mil salary. instead he keeps him, gives him a new contract that when seymour is cut next year our 2013cap takes a 5.5 mil hit. palmer restructed to 15 mil next year which i belive is all guaranteed. if briesel the bum is cut , he hits our cap space by 2.7mil and then you have branch who was franchised which was bad enough and then reggie signs him long term. add up the cap hits for next year and if we are truly rebuilding its staggering.quite a price to pay to go 3-13
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Post 575 that means nothing the giants got creAmed by the packers that year they beat the pats in the sb when they were 18-1 and the niners got creamed by the giants this year but that doesn’t mean they’re a bad team, they just had a bad game. (Shrugs) but Da gets creamed repeatedly every sunday no matter if the team is great or not. All you girls do is make excuses sorry ones at that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:38 pm
yeah exactly these guys are all hyped up over close victories over bad teams, yeah we regressed on win, maybe we could have won 1 extra game with better O, but that would do much moving forward
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“Close victories over bad teams” is still better than losing to bad teams like the Browns. We won against the Jags in OT. I don’t understand how we won against the steelers. They were better at every stat.
We regressed.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Alex7 you cant talk dude you said oline doesnt matter. I own you forever.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
shoot,
we spent high picks on Gallery, Veldeheer, Wiz, Houston, and Shaughnessy to shore up o-line and d-line
but keep LOSING because we lack at QB and WR
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
He better get it done………..period
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Reggie’s getting at least 2 complete seasons, priest. He doesn’t win 9 regular season games next year, he’s not here in ‘14.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Not to forget we went down 34-0 in Miami going into 4th quarter in week 13, and same thing the following week against GB, before putting up our first points, yet these guys want to come here and tell us players played hard for Hue and giving up on DA LMAO
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That’s the way I remember it……
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Raiders are going to get embarrassed by Manning. could be 49-0
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Eastoakland
it’s PROVEN o-line doesn’t matter.
Worst o-lines in football?
Packers, Steelers, Bears.
Playoff teams.
Done.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
You need pass rushers, you can coach team to become good run D , but you can’t coach your front 4 into legitimate pass rushers, if they don’t have what it takes to get to the QB , you guys think NYG are just coaching those guys? no, they are spending pick after picks on those guys, O line can also be coached into a solid unit if you got good solid coaches and had Offensive coordinator who knows what he’s doing
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
lex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
shoot,
we spent high picks on Gallery, Veldeheer, Wiz, Houston, and Shaughnessy to shore up o-line and d-line
but keep LOSING because we lack at QB and WR
>>> Raiders need a LOT. a pass rusher DE/OLB is top priority for defense. they’ll probably take a DE with the first pick. OLINE needs work too. This team is a mess AND I don’t envy RM.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
You’re lying almost all of them are in the league…………if only on a PS their getting NFL paychecks being developed by other org. why not here?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Umh no. He’s not lying. Not on practice squads. Not in the league! At least 13 of them. It’s true.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Worst o-lines in football?
Packers, Steelers, Bears.
Playoff teams.
Done. Repeat.
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Manassamauler Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Raiders are going to get embarrassed by Manning. could be 49-0
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by halftime
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
You don’t know what he’s getting until he gets it……..he could be gone this year if they keep losing.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Umh no. He’s not lying. Not on practice squads. Not in the league! At least 13 of them. It’s true.
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Start naming them.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 pm
RM will take a DE with the first pick. no andrew luck in this draft. DE/OLB all the way, the QB has to go down and go down often.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Another Blow to the Melting Pot
by Ian Mosley
It looks like our ancestors weren’t so “diverse” after all. In fact homogeneity appears to have been a key in raising the human intellect to new heights.
An article in the U. K. Daily Telegraph reports: “Cambridge University researchers concluded that DNA similarities were unlikely to be the result of human-Neanderthal sex during their 15,000-year coexistence in Europe.”
“People living outside Africa share as much as four per cent of their DNA with Neanderthals, a cave-dwelling species with muscular short arms and legs and a brain slightly larger than ours.”
“The Cambridge researchers examined demographic patterns suggesting that humans were far from intimate with the species they displaced in Europe almost 40,000 years ago. The study into the genomes of the two species, found a common ancestor 500,000 years ago would be enough to account for the shared DNA.”
This also means that people of European ancestry split off and evolved separately from Africans for at least 500,000 years. So much for that one big happy family propaganda. The separation between different ape species and man can be counted in millions of years, and now we find Whites and Blacks are separated by at least half a million years.
The article notes “Their analysis, published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS), contradicts recent studies that found inter-species mating, known as hybridisation, probably occurred.”
We have been besieged with propaganda from the Left on anthropology for decades. It all started with the prolific liar, Ashley Montague, who went so far as to claim that races don’t exist. Instead of being dismissed as a village idiot, he was promoted up by Jews and Marxists within the academic world and hailed as some great visionary instead of a Marxist propagandist, which is what he really was.
Liberal academics want people to believe that the races of mankind evolved only in a very short period of time –too short for different intelligence and different behavior to evolve, immediately after leaving Africa. What they don’t tell you is that orangutans split off from the other great apes 21 million years ago, and they wound up in Borneo and Sumatra, which would be a straight line distance (over mostly ocean) of almost 5,000 miles or a migration over land of almost 10,000 miles.
The human evolutionary branch split off from our closest relatives, the chimpanzees about 12 million years ago. The latest claim by modern anthropologists is that one species might mix with a more primitive species so that evolution does not progress smoothly, but suffers setbacks.
Well, what if White people and Asians left Africa. There are no chimpanzees in Europe or Asia so these two branches of humanity would not have been able to cross-breed with the chimpanzee line, slowing the process of evolution. The ancestors of the Blacks, however, lived in Africa with the chimpanzees and might have cross-bred with them slowing down the evolutionary process for Blacks.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 pm
but reggie could have cut seymour saved 7.5 mil of his 15 mil salary. instead he keeps him, gives him a new contract that when seymour is cut next year our 2013cap takes a 5.5 mil hit.
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I keep telling you guys, Rich Seymour was our highest graded player on defense when he went out. And BTW, we haven’t won since he’s been out. In fact, we haven’t been close since he went out. Coincidence?
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
All I know is some big money vets aren’t playing.
The developmental players are mostly on PS
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
lol Priestt
Reggie’s strength, the reason he was HIRED, is scouting and drafting to build a team.
He hasn’t had a single NORMAL off-season to do that yet.
Fired? lol.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
^^^^^^ proof DUMB MONKEYS!!!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Dolphins have built up their O-line and D-line and continue to suck because their QB and WRs suck.
Bears, Packers, and Lions make the playoffs because their QB and WRs are good,
despite having TERRIBLE o-lines.
Give up the 1970 NFL o-line rhetoric already.
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Dolphins have laid down their foundation up front and will be good before you know it NOW all they need is some skill players same with the browns they built the oline NOW they draft Richardson and weeden the Packers also have first rounders on their oline and the bears wont win the SB until they address their oline situation which I see them doing this off season.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Worst o-lines in football?
Packers, Steelers, Bears.
Playoff teams.
Done. Repeat.
>>> not to disagree completely BUT, Rothelsburger and Rodgers extend plays and are prone to more hits/sacks and yes the bears OLINE does suck.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
And to all you Manti teo lovers get ready for a rude awakening ALA is gonna run the ball right down Manti’s throat and he wont be able to do schit about it just like Jarvis Jones.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You obviously haven’t watched much of notre dame this year. Alabama won’t score more than 13. It’s not all about Teo. ND is the best team in the country, young secondary and sophomore QB and all. Stop hating. Recognize ND IS BACK!
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Yeah back to get their ass whupped. if Bama only scores 13 that means the final score will be 13-0 Bama and BTW I hate Bama and will be rooting for ND, but I gotta call it like I see it and it may be over by halftime.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The line is shrinking every day as people come to their senses. This is a different ND team. Unlike the raiders, they can actually play defense. And trust me, if Georgia can score on Alabama, ND will too. 24 to 10. ND. Alabamas running game is scary, but they haven’t seen a front 7 like ND, and they won’t have any time to pass, and mccarron is a statue.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
It’s going to be Damontre Moore, you can bet Reg will grab another pass rusher later in the draft, they will probably take a chance on some one like B Jenkins who’s stock fell because of injury
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 pm
but reggie could have cut seymour saved 7.5 mil of his 15 mil salary. instead he keeps him, gives him a new contract that when seymour is cut next year our 2013cap takes a 5.5 mil hit.
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I keep telling you guys, Rich Seymour was our highest graded player on defense when he went out. And BTW, we haven’t won since he’s been out. In fact, we haven’t been close since he went out. Coincidence?
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is he worth 15 mil
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
and why do you think Big Ben stays getting hurt and running for his life? that wack ass oline.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Routt, Wimbley , Curry players like that are $$$ issues and injuries. You guys ar very ignorant.As bad as Routt was he’s better than most corners on this team. I would love to have Wimbley right now and Curry is an injury issue.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 pm
We lost against a bad team (rookie QB, RB, WR, etc) at home.
We regressed!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Raven
I’ve always parked in the nearby In-&-Out parking lot on the other side of the bridge. It’s like a 3-block walk and FREE.
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thanks alex
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
lol Priestt
Reggie’s strength, the reason he was HIRED, is scouting and drafting to build a team.
He hasn’t had a single NORMAL off-season to do that yet.
Fired? lol.
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Ask me if I care…
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Umh no. He’s not lying. Not on practice squads. Not in the league! At least 13 of them. It’s true.
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Start naming them.
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I believe Cork or Jerry mentioned that too in one of hist posts last week or week before that
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm
lol tesla
yeah, educated guesses as to what happened millions of years ago.
guesses that contradict what other Ivy league schools think. Guesses because…who the heck knows what happened 12 million years ago or if there was a 12 million years ago.
All speculation kiddo.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm
is he worth 15 mil
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No one is worth $15mm
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
and why do you think Big Ben stays getting hurt and running for his life? that wack ass oline.
Priesttj12 Says:
>> not my point at all. scrambling QBS MAKE an olines job harder because the move and hold the ball longer. simple as that.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Routt, Wimbley , Curry players like that are $$$ issues and injuries. You guys ar very ignorant.As bad as Routt was he’s better than most corners on this team. I would love to have Wimbley right now and Curry is an injury issue.
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Who cares??? he was making too much money playing average, same with Wimbley, you make smart decisions, Next year Kelly and others would def be gone
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Alex,do you know the intersecting streets or main street which it is off of?
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:08 pm
priestt
you care enough to keep posting nonsense. So you’ll continued to get called on your nonsense.
“I hired you because you’re good at scouting and developing players. I’m firing you without a single shot at drafting a 1st or 2nd round pick, and without a single season of taking input from your new scouts.”
bozo
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 pm
You were talking about them not bein g in teh league due to play………..right
Now just be quiet……we’re done here!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Raider O Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 pm
We lost against a bad team (rookie QB, RB, WR, etc) at home.
We regressed!
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I don’t think we have regressed at all. I wish I could say it better than this, but I can’t, so I will give credit where credit is due:
RaidingTexas Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
It’s tough to win in the National Football League.
Especially with a team full of backup and practice squad players.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm
is he worth 15 mil
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No one is worth $15mm
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agreed as good as seymour is, he should have been cut solely because of his contract. reggie had that chance and made it worse by giving him a new contract that hits our capspace by 5.5 million next year when hes cut. if reggie doent cut him he get s paid 16.5 mil
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Stop crying to me boy!
This is the big leagues get it done or get out.period
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Raven
here’s the google map that shows the in and out parking area and the coliseum a few blocks away.
https://maps.google.com/maps?oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&ie=UTF-8&q=in+and+out+burger+oakland+alameda&fb=1&gl=us&hq=in+and+out+burger&hnear=0×80857d8b28aaed03:0×71b415d535759367,Oakland,+CA&cid=0,0,12415058880270511756&ei=CFC8UI2qDsbligLw7oH4CA&ved=0CJsBEPwSMAA
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
I understand that we lack talent and impact players, but this staff lacks creativity IMO.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Poole: With Oakland Raiders, nothing much left to see here, so just move on
By Monte Poole
Bay Area News Group
Posted: 12/02/2012 05:41:14 PM PST
Updated: 12/02/2012 10:01:07 PM PST
OAKLAND — The anticipation of what these new Raiders might deliver in 2012 died last month, and now even the curiosity is gone.
With Oakland’s latest exercise in tedium, a 20-17 loss to young and utterly defective Cleveland on a soggy Sunday at the Coliseum, there is nothing left to see this season.
It’s not officially over, but the Raiders are officially eliminated from the postseason.
It’s not officially among the worst years in franchise history, but it’s officially a losing season — and officially forgettable.
“Nobody’s coming in to save us,” coach Dennis Allen said, and not for the first time.
Well, the rookie coach might be spared by rookie general manager Reggie McKenzie. But Allen’s status gets more tenuous, as it should, with each devastating defeat.
What’s clear, with the losing streak at five and the record at 3-9, is it’s time to bury this season. Time to close that book and start the research and homework for 2013.
Some positions should not require more than 10 seconds of contemplation.
Consider the secondary, especially the cornerbacks. Find new ones. Period.
Nnamdi Asomugha left in 2011. It just seems he has been gone for four years.
Consider running back Darren McFadden. This one is fairly simple. If offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is back, along with his zone blocking schemes, McFadden and the Raiders are better off apart.
Even if Knapp goes, it still would be wise
to see McFadden’s value on the market.
Consider defensive tackles Richard Seymour and Tommy Kelly. They have been great and remain good, when healthy and engaged. Seymour, in particular, has been neither this season, and the Raiders must decide if he is worth his massive salary.
On a defense this porous, no player is worth $12 million.
Consider the starting wide receivers. Denarius Moore, terrific last season, has regressed appreciably. Darrius Heyward-Bey, improved last season, also has regressed. If they can’t pull it together over the final four games, stick with the script that allows for more of rookies Juron Criner and Rod Streater.
As of now, Oakland has no No. 1 wideout but a collection of No. 2s and 3s and 4s.
Consider the linebackers. Rolando McClain must go and certainly will. Philip Wheeler represents good value and is worth bringing back at the right price. Rookie Miles Burris shows flashes of promise and deserves a closer look.
There is no legitimate thumper, nor is there a sideline-to-sideline tackler.
Consider, too, quarterback Carson Palmer, who on Sunday was as inconsistent as he has been for most of this season. He was betrayed by some of his receivers, who dropped perfectly good passes. All Raiders hope was crushed when Palmer short-armed a deep pass to Criner and was intercepted by Browns cornerback Sheldon Brown.
Palmer almost certainly will return, as he should. He’s no longer elite, but he remains, for now, among the league’s top 15 quarterbacks. In the right offense and with a talented supporting cast, he won’t be the reason the Raiders lose.
No one is absolutely safe. No coach or player, with the possible exception of kicker Sebastian Janikowski, has done enough this season to be regarded as untouchable.
It’s time for the Raiders and their fans to put 2012 in a shredder and look ahead, holding out hope for an offseason productive enough to rebuild anticipation by next September, their next opportunity to post a winning record.
It’s time for each coach to search the corners of his mind for those unused molecules of creativity, and it’s time for each player to summon whatever pride and dignity he can in hopes of fluffing his résumé.
They can’t possibly want to showcase video through the first 12 games, including Sunday’s debacle.
“There’s nowhere to go but up, unfortunately,” Palmer said.
Never mind the deceptively close score. The three-point margin lies. All significant elements of this game were controlled by the Browns, and even they didn’t submit a seminar on the finer points of football.
The purest illustration of the despair in the Oakland locker room can be found in the reality that has settled into the eyes of the players and the coaches. It’s as if they sense the devastating consequences of this loss, the bitter truth of knowing that if they can lose to the Browns here, they can lose to any team, anytime, anywhere.
Up next is AFC West winner Denver — yes, the Broncos have clinched the division — coming into Oakland on Thursday night. A six-game losing streak is all but certain.
Would anyone among us be shocked if the Raiders lost to Kansas City at home, much less to Carolina and San Diego on the road?
If indeed Oakland was to finish the season with a nine-game spiral and a 3-13 record?
So, yes, it’s time to look ahead and see who, as McKenzie and owner Mark Davis have put it, really wants to be here and play Raiders football.
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This for me says it all. Only people Poole failed to add to the miserable list is the O-line. They are a joke and a waste of salary.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
And to all you Manti teo lovers get ready for a rude awakening ALA is gonna run the ball right down Manti’s throat and he wont be able to do schit about it just like Jarvis Jones.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You obviously haven’t watched much of notre dame this year. Alabama won’t score more than 13. It’s not all about Teo. ND is the best team in the country, young secondary and sophomore QB and all. Stop hating. Recognize ND IS BACK!
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Yeah back to get their ass whupped. if Bama only scores 13 that means the final score will be 13-0 Bama and BTW I hate Bama and will be rooting for ND, but I gotta call it like I see it and it may be over by halftime.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
The line is shrinking every day as people come to their senses. This is a different ND team. Unlike the raiders, they can actually play defense. And trust me, if Georgia can score on Alabama, ND will too. 24 to 10. ND. Alabamas running game is scary, but they haven’t seen a front 7 like ND, and they won’t have any time to pass, and mccarron is a statue.
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LOL, they just faced a better front seven in georgia that team is littered with first and second round picks and they faced LSU who’s D is also better than ND, its the other way around bro ND has never seen a team like Bama ND schedule was wack.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Raiders have ZERO leadership. who’s the defensive captain? “blue collar never make a big play branch”? no.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Now I’ve been bored enough
time relax peace…
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Umh no. He’s not lying. Not on practice squads. Not in the league! At least 13 of them. It’s true.
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Start naming them.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Kyle boller
Stanford routt
John Henderson
Tj houschmanzadeh
Lito shepherd
Jarvis moss (may have latched on somewhere)
Ricky brown
Darryl blackstock
Should I continue? Just shut up.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
priestt
maybe you should get it done or get out.
You loved the Jamarcus pick.
You hated the DMac pick.
Case closed.
I predicted 6-10 and losing to the Bucs in August.
I predicted 7-9 last year while you guys voted for 11 victories.
I told you Hue was on the phone with the Bengals while you guys talked about David Garrard (not knowing he had a busted back)
I’ve put up plenty, while you whiff time and time again.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Umh no. He’s not lying. Not on practice squads. Not in the league! At least 13 of them. It’s true.
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Start naming them.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Kyle boller
Stanford routt
John Henderson
Tj houschmanzadeh
Lito shepherd
Jarvis moss (may have latched on somewhere)
Ricky brown
Darryl blackstock
Should I continue? Just shut up.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Forgot
Aaron curry
Rock Cartwright
And I’m sure plenty of others that aren’t worth remembering.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 pm
nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm
is he worth 15 mil
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No one is worth $15mm
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agreed as good as seymour is, he should have been cut solely because of his contract. reggie had that chance and made it worse by giving him a new contract that hits our capspace by 5.5 million next year when hes cut. if reggie doent cut him he get s paid 16.5 mil
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He is our best player on defense and we don’t have enough draft choices and cap space, smarts and luck to fill every single hole we have in one year. So, that being said, I would expect Rich to be back next year. In fact I would not doubt that the reason we have not seen him in a month is exactly for that reason. To keep the mileage off him and bring him back somehwat fresh for one more year.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Priestt owned in back-to-back posts. Nice.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
lol sums up Priestt’s time in here:
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
priestt
maybe you should get it done or get out.
You loved the Jamarcus pick.
You hated the DMac pick.
Case closed.
I predicted 6-10 and losing to the Bucs in August.
I predicted 7-9 last year while you guys voted for 11 victories.
I told you Hue was on the phone with the Bengals while you guys talked about David Garrard (not knowing he had a busted back)
I’ve put up plenty, while you whiff time and time again.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
priestt
maybe you should get it done or get out.
You loved the Jamarcus pick.
You hated the DMac pick.
Case closed.
I predicted 6-10 and losing to the Bucs in August.
I predicted 7-9 last year while you guys voted for 11 victories.
I told you Hue was on the phone with the Bengals while you guys talked about David Garrard (not knowing he had a busted back)
I’ve put up plenty, while you whiff time and time again.
>> I predicted 7-9 THIS YEAR. so i bought into the hype that was being shoveled.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Priesttj12 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Umh no. He’s not lying. Not on practice squads. Not in the league! At least 13 of them. It’s true.
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Start naming them.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Kyle boller
Stanford routt
John Henderson
Tj houschmanzadeh
Lito shepherd
Jarvis moss (may have latched on somewhere)
Ricky brown
Darryl blackstock
Aaron curry
Rock Cartwright
Should I continue? Just shut up.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 pm
I predicted atleast 9 wins, def bought into the team for no freaking reason lol
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 pm
nycraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:06 pm
is he worth 15 mil
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No one is worth $15mm
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agreed as good as seymour is, he should have been cut solely because of his contract. reggie had that chance and made it worse by giving him a new contract that hits our capspace by 5.5 million next year when hes cut. if reggie doent cut him he get s paid 16.5 mil
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He is our best player on defense and we don’t have enough draft choices and cap space, smarts and luck to fill every single hole we have in one year. So, that being said, I would expect Rich to be back next year. In fact I would not doubt that the reason we have not seen him in a month is exactly for that reason. To keep the mileage off him and bring him back somehwat fresh for one more year.
>> Seymour is washed up.can’t stay on the field now.Raiders a new defensive leader.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
nyc
are you aware NFL teams have a salary cap floor? A minimum they must spend?
Gotta give that money to someone.
Rather give $15 million to the great DVD? Routt? Fargas?
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Kyle boller
Stanford routt
John Henderson
Tj houschmanzadeh
Lito shepherd
Jarvis moss (may have latched on somewhere)
Ricky brown
Darryl blackstock
Should I continue? Just shut up.
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And Barksdale, DVD, Jacoby Ford, Travis Goethel are hinging on in the league by the toe nails.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Raiders lack a true NFL Starter at almost every position on the field…
CBs, SS, FS, DEs, LBs, no #1 WR, The entire O-line (RT, RG, C, LG, LT – All sh!t)
Then in the spots that would be considered starters, none would be top 10 in the league…
QB, #2,#3,#4 WR, DTs, TB, FB,
What a freakin mess…
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
mctroll with some sense? no way….
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
>> Seymour is washed up.can’t stay on the field now.Raiders a new defensive leader.
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As I said, he was our highest graded defender. Which means he isn’t washed up, or we need better players on our defense. Or both.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Back-n-Black Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Raiders lack a true NFL Starter at almost every position on the field…
CBs, SS, FS, DEs, LBs, no #1 WR, The entire O-line (RT, RG, C, LG, LT – All sh!t)
Then in the spots that would be considered starters, none would be top 10 in the league…
QB, #2,#3,#4 WR, DTs, TB, FB,
What a freakin mess…
>> as an Armchair GM in this circumstance i would just take the best defensive player available no matter what position.That defense is the joke of the NFL.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
lets hear it for all the zone defense loving fools? same as the zbs loving fools…
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
669
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
And to all you Manti teo lovers get ready for a rude awakening ALA is gonna run the ball right down Manti’s throat and he wont be able to do schit about it just like Jarvis Jones.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
You obviously haven’t watched much of notre dame this year. Alabama won’t score more than 13. It’s not all about Teo. ND is the best team in the country, young secondary and sophomore QB and all. Stop hating. Recognize ND IS BACK!
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Yeah back to get their ass whupped. if Bama only scores 13 that means the final score will be 13-0 Bama and BTW I hate Bama and will be rooting for ND, but I gotta call it like I see it and it may be over by halftime.
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The line is shrinking every day as people come to their senses. This is a different ND team. Unlike the raiders, they can actually play defense. And trust me, if Georgia can score on Alabama, ND will too. 24 to 10. ND. Alabamas running game is scary, but they haven’t seen a front 7 like ND, and they won’t have any time to pass, and mccarron is a statue.
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LOL, they just faced a better front seven in georgia that team is littered with first and second round picks and they faced LSU who’s D is also better than ND, its the other way around bro ND has never seen a team like Bama ND schedule was wack.
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OMG. Notre dame was unranked preseason and had the number one toughest schedule ranking preseason. They finished w the 3rd toughest ranked schedule in football this year. And take 1st 2nd 3rd and so on toughest opponents throughout the season between Alabama and ND and there is no comparison. ND played the way better overall opponents, and didn’t lose to any of them btw. Im done talking to you about this. There’s no point. Back to the raiders.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
>> Seymour is washed up.can’t stay on the field now.Raiders a new defensive leader.
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As I said, he was our highest graded defender. Which means he isn’t washed up, or we need better players on our defense. Or both.
>>> highest graded defender? seymour. wow things are worse than i thought. This is the worst defense in the last 10 years. no talent and no production.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
I own you Alex7 with your “the oline doesnt matter” comment.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Veteran OCs possibly available next year:
Norv Turner
Curtis Modkins (Bills) Success w/ CJ Spiller and Fred Jackson.
Ken Whisenhunt (Arizona)
Jason Garrett (Dallas)
Chris Palmer (fired by Titans)
Marty Morninhweg (Eagles)
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 pm
-Our OL (The guys from the prev year), DMC, DHB, and Moore are not playing as well. I don’t need to keep posting stats, but we are lowing more points and scoring less per game than last year.
What di you call that? Improvement?
- today is a good example. We ran the ball well and averaged more than 5 ypc, but we threw 54 times and ran 16 times. We allowed 20 points!
Knapp is an idiot!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 pm
manassamauler Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
>> Seymour is washed up.can’t stay on the field now.Raiders a new defensive leader.
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As I said, he was our highest graded defender. Which means he isn’t washed up, or we need better players on our defense. Or both.
>>> highest graded defender? seymour. wow things are worse than i thought. This is the worst defense in the last 10 years. no talent and no production.
>> worst defense in the last 10 years in the NFL and the worst in raider history. this is a historic season for OAK. just watch this defense, there have been few worse than this D.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:22 pm
lmao….
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Veteran OCs possibly available next year:
Norv Turner
Curtis Modkins (Bills) Success w/ CJ Spiller and Fred Jackson.
Ken Whisenhunt (Arizona)
Jason Garrett (Dallas)
Chris Palmer (fired by Titans)
Marty Morninhweg (Eagles)
>> Norv Turner would have this Offense clicking.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
go to bed Eastoak. Sing the lullaby:
Worst o-lines in football!
Packers, Steelers, Bears.
Playoff teams, playoff teams, bad o-line no one cares!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
The Oakland Raiders are officially the Bengals of this generation…
Over a decade of futility and ineptness that rivals the worst the NFL has ever seen.
It will take YEARS to accumulate the depth needed to be competitive on a week to week basis…
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Norv Turner would be nice as OC
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Post 660 @Alex yea and we’re now 3-9 without those guys so tthey must have been worth something or else Reggie i just that awful as a talent evaluator because his replacements haven’t done much better….
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
0ak R8rs Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Eastoaklandraider Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 pm
And to all you Manti teo lovers get ready for a rude awakening ALA is gonna run the ball right down Manti’s throat and he wont be able to do schit about it just like Jarvis Jones.
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You obviously haven’t watched much of notre dame this year. Alabama won’t score more than 13. It’s not all about Teo. ND is the best team in the country, young secondary and sophomore QB and all. Stop hating. Recognize ND IS BACK!
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Yeah back to get their ass whupped. if Bama only scores 13 that means the final score will be 13-0 Bama and BTW I hate Bama and will be rooting for ND, but I gotta call it like I see it and it may be over by halftime.
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The line is shrinking every day as people come to their senses. This is a different ND team. Unlike the raiders, they can actually play defense. And trust me, if Georgia can score on Alabama, ND will too. 24 to 10. ND. Alabamas running game is scary, but they haven’t seen a front 7 like ND, and they won’t have any time to pass, and mccarron is a statue.
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LOL, they just faced a better front seven in georgia that team is littered with first and second round picks and they faced LSU who’s D is also better than ND, its the other way around bro ND has never seen a team like Bama ND schedule was wack.
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OMG. Notre dame was unranked preseason and had the number one toughest schedule ranking preseason. They finished w the 3rd toughest ranked schedule in football this year. And take 1st 2nd 3rd and so on toughest opponents throughout the season between Alabama and ND and there is no comparison. ND played the way better overall opponents, and didn’t lose to any of them btw. Im done talking to you about this. There’s no point. Back to the raiders.
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Sure. dont be afraid to show your face here when ND gets crushed.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
“ditch the press man” use a “modern” zone scheme…yeah…genius
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
“ditch the press man” use a “modern” zone scheme…yeah…genius
> didn’t Huff say he was glad to be part of a “real” defense. HAHAH 376 points allowed in 12 games!! thats madden13 real!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 pm
True True
“Raiders lack a true NFL Starter at almost every position on the field…
CBs, SS, FS, DEs, LBs, #1 WR”
add run-stuffing DT, RT, and LG.
2014.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Jackie Bibby
we’re supposed to be 3-9.
We were (rightfully) predicted to be 4-12.
Nothing odd is happening this season, unless you’re an emotional fan who can’t see the team objectively.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
I bet Reggie and Mark go through a bottle of scotch a day just contemplating the pure sh!t they have to work with and the state of the franchise.
I would be in full blown depression by now if I were the GM…
Can you imagine being Dennis Allen? “Hey coach, we gonna give you the worst team in the NFL and you have to win or you will be fired and blamed by everyone for everything…. Good Luck!”
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
go to bed Eastoak. Sing the lullaby:
Worst o-lines in football!
Packers, Steelers, Bears.
Playoff teams, playoff teams, bad o-line no one cares!
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Packers have a good oline they are just injured SF good oline nyg good okine NE good oline. Steelers 6-5 barley hanging on bears got beat by a rookie qb and wont even make the second round. I own you Alex7 “the oline doesnt matter” LOL.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
STFU AL you Man D couldn’t even show up when the most important game over last 10 years was on the line, they didn’t force 1 SD punt , so you have no right to even talk , just stfu already, it doesn’t get any worse than that, when your D doesn’t even force 1 punt in a very important game, talk about something else, because you would have no argument talking about schemes, you will lose everytime
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
If we lost to the Steelers and beat the Browns, we would have:
lost to the Falcons, Ravens, Broncos, Steelers, Bucs, Bengals, and Dolphins.
All games we were supposed to lose.
Really, there’s nothing that odd going on here.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 pm
I bet Alabama has more NFL talent on their team than the Raiders do…
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Eastoak
Steelers are 7-5. You can’t even get a simple stat right. It takes 10 seconds to look it up.
Teams with terrible o-lines are making the playoffs.
Teams with good o-lines are also making the playoffs.
O-line dominance is therefore not necessary. End.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Back-N-Black Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 pm
I bet Alabama has more NFL talent on their team than the Raiders do…
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Saban know how to build that O and D line, learn something Alex7.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 pm
For the last 10 years
our All-Pro players have been our kicker and punter.
That’s it.
It’s HARD to be that bad.
(make sure you know difference between all-pro and pro-bowl).
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Post 688 nobody gave DA anything he applied for the position if he didn’t like the roster he could havee stayed in dungver and ruined their D for another season.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Eastoak
That Bama D-line got beat by the only legit QB they’ve faced (Johnny Football at Texas A&M)
Packers, Bears, Steelers.
Terrible o-lines, see you in the playoffs!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Eastoak
Steelers are 7-5. You can’t even get a simple stat right. It takes 10 seconds to look it up.
Teams with terrible o-lines are making the playoffs.
Teams with good o-lines are also making the playoffs.
O-line dominance is therefore not necessary. End.
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SF,NYG NE,BAL teams in the chapionship games all had good olines priod.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Eastoak
That Bama D-line got beat by the only legit QB they’ve faced (Johnny Football at Texas A&M)
Packers, Bears, Steelers.
Terrible o-lines, see you in the playoffs!
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Bama oline best in college football 300 yards rushing against a top ranked college D, same thing will happen to ND. oline oline oline.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 pm
One mock draft has us picking #1 and taking Logan Thomas-QB-Virginia Tech. This guy is not even on the top 40 I’m looking at. who is this guy? He’s a Junior at Virginia Tech, 6′6″ – 260#. Anyone know anything about him?
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 pm
lol Eastoak
you cant just make stuff up.
Giants had the WORST RUN GAME IN THE NFL LAST YEAR!!
TERRIBLE O-LINE.
NYG and Bal don’t spend many 1st round picks on O-line. Wonder why?
Funny how good Manning, Cruz, and Ray Rice can make your o-line look.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Barret Jones DJ Fluker players the Raiders should draft.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:44 pm
ok Oak
stick to college then. I’m talking NFL,
where the Giants and their 31st RANKED RUSH O-LINE won the Super Bowl.
where the PACKERS and their TERRIBLE O-line won the Super Bowl.
where the STEELERS and their TERRIBLE O-line won the Super Bowl.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 pm
lol Eastoak
you cant just make stuff up.
Giants had the WORST RUN GAME IN THE NFL LAST YEAR!!
TERRIBLE O-LINE.
NYG and Bal don’t spend many 1st round picks on O-line. Wonder why?
Funny how good Manning, Cruz, and Ray Rice can make your o-line look.
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talk about making stuff up the NYG have one of the best olines in football they always seem to run it when the have to and thats with a avg RB, Bmore has it franchise LT and it paid off for them. and it doesnt have to be a first rounder 2nd and 3rd rd picks are still pretty good ya know.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 pm
lol eastoakland
Giants were 31st in rushing last year.
That’s TERRIBLE.
Super Bowl baby!
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 pm
once again Alex packers have a good oline just injured this year
Steelers are not very good and Ben stays hurt from all the hits he takes due to that wack line
NYG have a good oline.
Bears not very good much like Ben cutler stays beat up and cant advance in the PO because of that garbage oline.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 pm
and guess what?
we HAVE used 2nd and 3rd rounders for our o-line.
Veldeheer and Wiz. Wow, they’ve turned the franchise around!!
Glad we didn’t draft a skill guy like Doug Martin or Russell Wilson or Bryce Brown or Alfred Morris or Janoris Jenkins.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 pm
East
so RIGHT NOW, the Packers O-line sucks, right?
Yet they’re blowing teams out left and right.
Just like the Bears and Steelers O-line sucks but they keep winning.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 pm
lol eastoakland
Giants were 31st in rushing last year.
That’s TERRIBLE.
Super Bowl baby!
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they ran it when it mattered in the PO’s and they keep Manning upright and injury free unlike the bears and steelers.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Did det draft enough skill guys for you? 3 straight WR at least they got 1 right sheesh!!! and they still suck.
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Chiefs have spent FIVE 1st round picks on O-line and D-line.
Tamba Hali, Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Branden Albert, and Donta’ Poe.
And ummm, they really wish they had drafted a decent QB instead.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 am
that AWESOME Giants O-line gave up SIX SACKS to the 49ers in the championship game.
lol
Eli Manning.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 am
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 pm
East
so RIGHT NOW, the Packers O-line sucks, right? Packers jut got that ass whupped last week how quick we forget
Yet they’re blowing teams out left and right.
Just like the Bears and Steelers O-line sucks but they keep winning. Bear just lost to seachickens and a rookie qb, Steelers arent winning schit til they fix that line they drafted pouncey and they will draft more.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Dennis allen coached like a man that knew his time was growing short toady.
Now you see that he has left the team after his 5th straight loss, in a short week with the donks on deck.
This season is beyond laughable, allen is toast. I dont see anyway that he can keep his gig, leaving at this time. He and the team will be blown out thursday. He was aired out by davis, and big mack in the locker room and the paper. He is floundering.
I hope we take a look at trestman or kelly.
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missdick the superjoke is back!
in the lockerroom? how would u know?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 am
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Chiefs have spent FIVE 1st round picks on O-line and D-line.
Tamba Hali, Glenn Dorsey, Tyson Jackson, Branden Albert, and Donta’ Poe.
And ummm, they really wish they had drafted a decent QB instead.
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Draft is still a crapshoot you must get it right which most teams dont.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 am
Packers dont need an oline.
Bears don’t need an oline.
Steelers don’t need an oline.
Giants didn’t have an o-line (Terrible running and pass protecting) and won the Super Bowl.
Just give it up.
You don’t need it. Nice to have, but can win without it.
g’night.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:06 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 am
that AWESOME Giants O-line gave up SIX SACKS to the 49ers in the championship game.
lol
Eli Manning.
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9ers have awesome D.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 am
eastoak
all of those Chiefs D-linemen are considered good.
Just doesn’t matter. Bills signed Mario Williams and drafted D-line. Doesn’t matter.
You need a QB to win in this league. D-line and O-line come after that.
Packers, Steelers, Bears, Giants prove that.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Instant upgrade?!?!/!
Palmer is a mess and wheels have come off completely. Please give the ball to TP6!!!!
I cant take another minute of this putrid trash!
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this dick has no football credibility. and any of u dumb fu@ks who don’t understand that a qb is allowed to throw an interception, no matter when, and the team should still be able to win.
palmer threw 2 td’s. one pick. that’s 2 to 1. the mark of a good qb.
he didn’t give up 450 yards. when he was picked, he may have been tired, since all they freaking did was throw the ball. and then the defense gave up a 94 yard drive. get it?
even cork is falling for the tripe. don’t expect a qb to be perfect and when he’s not, u blame him, when everyone else on the team sucks.
how about all the drops? do u think we might have score more than the browns if they’d held on to the stupid ball.
if ur after palmer, like this clown, u have ZERO football knowledge. ZERO.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:08 am
Oline will always matter Alex g’nite
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 am
Alex7 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 pm
East
so RIGHT NOW, the Packers O-line sucks, right?
Yet they’re blowing teams out left and right.
Just like the Bears and Steelers O-line sucks but they keep winning.
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STFU u putrid piece of human waste. this board is for raiders fans, not shut-in losers that live to fu@k with people. go blow ur head off sh!tbag.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 am
Bengals turned their franchise around when they struck gold with AJ Green (WR) and Andy Dalton (QB).
Giants traded Philip Rivers and a boatload of future 1st round picks to get Eli Manning.
Redskins traded THREE 1st round picks for RGIII.
Funny how no one trades a bunch of 1st rounders to draft a left tackle.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 am
eastoak
all of those Chiefs D-linemen are considered good.
Just doesn’t matter. Bills signed Mario Williams and drafted D-line. Doesn’t matter.
You need a QB to win in this league. D-line and O-line come after that.
Packers, Steelers, Bears, Giants prove that.
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dont state the obvious of course you need a good qb but you must protect that qb. btw Matt Cassel wsant so bad for NE hmmm oline?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 am
the 49ers AWESOME o-line and AWESOME D-line
lost to the Giants who had a 31st ranked O-line.
Why?
Eli Manning vs Alex Smith.
QB league.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 am
alex7/mr/sullivan is garbage.
go suck a fat dick, u no-nothing piece of waste.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 am
the 49ers AWESOME o-line and AWESOME D-line
lost to the Giants who had a 31st ranked O-line.
Why?
Eli Manning vs Alex Smith.
QB league.
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who cares dick? none of it makes u likable. nobody would like a piece of sh!t like u cuz ur such a giant dick head.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 am
lol East
You MUST protect the QB??
Ben, Cutler, Rodgers are NOT protected very well.
Guess what? Doesn’t matter.
QBs win games.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 am
Bengals also drafted oline before that former alabama LT.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 am
alex7—who cares moron? get lost dick.
this probably sounds familiar from hi skool, eh?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 am
look
Steelers, Bears, Packers blow hole in your argument.
Yes, it’s nice to have a good o-line but who wins the Super Bowl?
Packers, Steelers, Patriots, Saints. QBs. Two of them with TERRIBLE o-lines.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 am
i’m now willing to say dhb and moore will never be top receivers. streater and criner look to be the future. and pryor, if converted, could become our megatron.
he certainly doesn’t seem to be the qb of the future.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 am
u can’t have a good offense with a terrible line. it’s an oxymoron, moron.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 am
lol East
You MUST protect the QB??
Ben, Cutler, Rodgers are NOT protected very well.
Guess what? Doesn’t matter.
QBs win games.
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Rodgers had a good oline that SB year Cutler hasnt won shcit and Steelers won those SB with D see Harrison return before halftime.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 am
Bengals kept losing after drafting Andre Smith.
Smith struggles, gets benched, injured, Bengals draft Green and Dalton, and voila, playoff team.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 am
if you run the ball and pass the ball well, u have a good line. the proof is in results. period, knucklehead.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
pryor should be made to see that he could be a great receiver. he could be all-pro. but as a qb, he will likely be outta the league by the end of his first contract.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 am
look
Steelers, Bears, Packers blow hole in your argument.
Yes, it’s nice to have a good o-line but who wins the Super Bowl?
Packers, Steelers, Patriots, Saints. QBs. Two of them with TERRIBLE o-lines.
——– wrong packers had good line same with pats saints colts and the steelers won on D.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 am
i could see pryor doing a jimmy graham type thing. walking into the position and using his amazing set of tools to just dominate.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 am
lol
Cutler hasn’t won anything?
And yet you brag about SF and their o-line, as if Alex Smith has? haha.
THIS YEAR THE PACKERS O-LINE SUCKS AND THEY’RE BEATING THE HECK OUT OF TEAMS. STEELERS TOO.
Case closed. You don’t need a dominant o-line.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 am
but they need to get him working there quick, so he can acclimate.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 am
Bengals kept losing after drafting Andre Smith.
Smith struggles, gets benched, injured, Bengals draft Green and Dalton, and voila, playoff team.
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thanks for making my point you build from the inside out qb and wr are the icing on the cake.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 am
alex7 is here for one reason–to spread the misery of his own life to as many as possible. ignore him at all costs.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 am
Giants last year.
31st ranked rushing offense. Almost miss the PLAYOFFS because their O-LINE SUCKS.
Give up 6 sacks in championship game. OUCH.
Super Bowl!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 am
who’s the last non-hall-of-fame QB to win the Super Bowl?
Eli, Ben, Brady, Brees, Manning.
Funny coincidence.
Manning’s crappy o-line in Indy went 1-15 after he left lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 am
lol
Cutler hasn’t won anything?
And yet you brag about SF and their o-line, as if Alex Smith has? haha.
THIS YEAR THE PACKERS O-LINE SUCKS AND THEY’RE BEATING THE HECK OUT OF TEAMS. STEELERS TOO.
Case closed. You don’t need a dominant o-line.
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Has Cutler been to an NFC title game? Alex has thanks to that O AND D line.
Steelers wont win schit bujt the did draft pouncey. I own you Alex.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 am
PACKERS, STEELERS, BEARS
Terrible O-lines. see you in the playoffs.
49ers will lose, AGAIN, to a better QB.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 am
lol
Pouncy injured pre-season, Steelers keep winning anyways as long as their QB is in.
Makes no difference if Pouncy or you is playing center.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 am
Eli, Ben, Brady, Brees, Manning.
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they all had good olines except ben who is the exception not the rule.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 am
PACKERS, STEELERS, BEARS
Terrible O-lines. see you in the playoffs.
Browns, Chiefs, Dolphins AWESOME 1st ROUND O-LINE DRAFTING!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 am
WAIT!!!
1 of the first 22 NFL draft picks last year was an O-LINEMAN!!! ONE! lol
So important!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 am
lol
so what happened to that AWESOME COLTS O-LINE once Manning left??
1-15
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 am
Bengals drafted palmer still sucked det drafted stafford still sucked colt mccoy ryan leaf tim couch jruss the list goes on and on better have a good oline in place.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 am
Seriously
With Manning Colts = Super Bowl champs.
Without Manning, same o-line, 1-15.
Enough said.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 am
lol
Palmer leads Bengals to playoffs for first time in like 15 years. Where were you?
Stafford leads Lions to playoffs for first time in like 15 years. Where were you?
TELL ME ABOUT THE AWESOME COLTS O-LINE AFTER MANNING LEFT!!!!
1-15
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 am
i wonder if the steelers would trade mendenhall for dmc straight up.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 am
lol
so what happened to that AWESOME COLTS O-LINE once Manning left??
1-15
Bam! Argument blown up again
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LOL Peyton is a once in a lifetime player if your best player goes down of course you will suck step up your argument.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 am
Colts O-line with Manning = Playoffs
Colts O-line without Manning = 1-15
Colts O-line with Andrew Luck = Playoffs
Weird huh?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 am
i gotta question for the palmer bashers.
what could we get in a trade for him? a 2nd?
so, teams would trade a 2nd rounder for a bad qb?
LOL! palmer bashers are a joke and anyone with football knowledge knows this.
what would pryor get? a 6th?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 am
So Manning is the exception to the rule?
Thought Ben in Pittsburgh was?
Or is it Rodgers this year with his TERRIBLE o-line winning anyways?
Or is it Cutler?
Or is it Andrew Luck with the same 1-15 O-line now making playoffs?
Make up your mind which is the ONE exception to your rule
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 am
lol
Palmer leads Bengals to playoffs for first time in like 15 years. Where were you?
Stafford leads Lions to playoffs for first time in like 15 years. Where were you?
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and how many years did that take?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 am
How can Peyton be once in a lifetime if Luck steps in and suddenly that 1-15 O-line is a playoff o-line again?
Uh oh.
Packers 2nd-worst in sacks allowed this season.
Can’t run the ball either.
DOESN’T MATTER. QB league.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 am
Took Palmer and Stafford a whopping TWO SEASONS to make the playoffs.
QB league.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 am
So Manning is the exception to the rule?
Thought Ben in Pittsburgh was?
Or is it Rodgers this year with his TERRIBLE o-line winning anyways?
Or is it Cutler?
Or is it Andrew Luck with the same 1-15 O-line now making playoffs?
Make up your mind which is the ONE exception to your rule
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Ben is the only exception cutler hasnt won squat and luck will be one and done in the PO’S
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 am
you’re like those old scouts in Moneyball.
“Grrr, grumble, grumble, stats, reality, new era, grumble, grumble.”
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 am
How can Peyton be once in a lifetime if Luck steps in and suddenly that 1-15 O-line is a playoff o-line again?
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THEY LUCKED UP JUST AS 9ERS DID GOING FROM MONTANA TO YOUNG, BUT YOUNG WASNT AS GOOD AS MONTANA AND LUCK WONT BE AS GOOD AS MANNING.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
I’m only 30 Alex
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
young was better than montana.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
lol
you’ll like this:
Top rushing teams, 2012 (AWESOME O-LINE ALERT!)
#2 Vikings, #3 Redskins, #4 Bills, #5 Chiefs
Surely those teams will be in the playoffs, right?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 am
so east
you say that Manning had a great o-line in Indy.
Just asking you, straight out, what good was it for the Colts to have a “great” o-line last year?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 am
oline baby oline football will never change to the point where oline isnt a focal point you must didnt hear Reggie
“I wanna win with the big boys up front”
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 am
Top rushing teams, 2012 (AWESOME O-LINE ALERT!)
#2 Vikings, #3 Redskins, #4 Bills, #5 Chiefs
Surely those teams will be in the playoffs, right?
TOP QB RATING:
Packers, Broncos, Patriots, 49ers, Seahawks, Falcons, Texans.
See which one has the stronger mathematical correlation to winning? Yep.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 am
so east
you say that Manning had a great o-line in Indy.
Just asking you, straight out, what good was it for the Colts to have a “great” o-line last year?
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so when you do get your QB he can hit the ground running which Luck has.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 am
what reggie says doesn’t change reality.
Top O-lines whether measured by rushing yards or fewest sacks allowed doesn’t correlate with winning.
Top QB ratings correlates strongly with winning.
Just math and truth, not anyone’s opinion.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 am
Top rushing teams, 2012 (AWESOME O-LINE ALERT!)
#2 Vikings, #3 Redskins, #4 Bills, #5 Chiefs
Surely those teams will be in the playoffs, right?
TOP QB RATING:
Packers, Broncos, Patriots, 49ers, Seahawks, Falcons, Texans.
See which one has the stronger mathematical correlation to winning? Yep.
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in case you forgot olines pass protect as well as run block c’mon man you pitching softballs.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 am
Eastoak ADMITS IT!!!!
Without a good QB, a good O-line is worthless (1-15)
With a good QB, a good O-line is valuable.
With a terrible O-line, a good QB can still win.
The QB is the independent variable, the reason for change.
Thus, if you want to change your team, the QB becomes the most important piece, the one with the strongest correlation. You said it / proved it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 am
gettin sleepy man ill catch you later im on central time g’nite.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 am
oh East Oak
I’m 2 days ahead of you.
There is little correlation between sacks allowed and winning.
The Bucs, Bills, Browns, Saints, Dolphins, and RAIDERS are in the top-10 in FEWEST sacks allowed.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 am
Damn just watched the interview with terrel Pryor and the kid looks defeated … he says he doe’s even get reps in practice ontop of not suiting up…. DA is a disgrace he wants players to play hard for him but does nothing to instill confidence in these young men… its like coming up in a cast system there’s no upward mobility, they dont even try to work with these guys or give them a chance look at Taiwan. Smh No wonder they play as bad as they do DA is a confidence killer.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 am
Eastoak ADMITS IT!!!!
Without a good QB, a good O-line is worthless (1-15)
With a good QB, a good O-line is valuable.
With a terrible O-line, a good QB can still win.
The QB is the independent variable, the reason for change.
Thus, if you want to change your team, the QB becomes the most important piece, the one with the strongest correlation. You said it / proved it.
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they go hand in hand qb is the most important position in sports but your qb aint schit if he’s on his back or hurt(big ben) all the time.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 am
I own you Alex.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 am
DKnight007 Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Hue Jackson OWNS Dennis Allen and Greg Knapp combined!!
Lol!
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Wonder if DA had any remote itch of a clue of what he was getting into when he took the HC job?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 am
Yes East oak owns you alex. You say coaching doesn’t matter but the niners lost to the rams today (a team they’re obviously more talented than) and the niners players kept saying how they got outcoached and how no matter what formation they came out in on offense the Rams defense was lined up in the perfect position to stop it.. they talked up coaching and game plan.n. kapeesh? And you say O line doesn’t matter? Thats the dumbest football statement Ive ever heard you lost all credibility in my mind after that comment… East Oak owns you.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 am
Someone in here suggested we draft the qb from virginia tech1st overall. if that happened my raider gear goes in a box and i set it on fire.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 am
Alex7 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 am
Giants last year.
31st ranked rushing offense. Almost miss the PLAYOFFS because their O-LINE SUCKS.
Give up 6 sacks in championship game. OUCH.
Super Bowl! ==================== BECAUSE THE NFL IS A WATERED DOWN JOKE FULL OF DUMB BABOONS
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:32 am
…CAN’T WAIT TILL A 7-9 TEAM WINS THE SUPERBOWL…IT WILL HAPPEN.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 am
….last year the giants & pats were by far the two biggest jokes to play in the superbowl….two worst teams ever by miles
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 am
If I was Mark Davis I would say f it and sell this pile
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 am
If Reggie fails to draft a defensive stud from the SEC or that krout from Florida State fire his ass.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 am
Holy f the Raiders have gone 27 quarters without a rushing TD. But hey Myers has like 15 catches for 65 yds thanks Knapp for the explosive, innovative offense. F!!!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:06 am
Here we are…3 and 9, the accumulation of many things:
Bad hiring: Hue Jackson who in turn mortgaged our future with the CP trade
Horrid contracts: (Stan Routt)
Selfish me-first players: (McClain, Seymore, McFadden)
Reach players in the Draft: (Terrell Pryor, DHB)
Hiring of Knapp: Destruction of a competent offense to a bumbling one.
The time has come not for fantasizing about what this team is.
The reality is this team is in TRIAGE mode: tend to the life-threatened parts first and foremost…
QB is a total luxury. Not even Peyton Manning Crossed with Jim Plunkett and Joe Montana could win with this offensive line and these receivers–One more year with CP
Pass-Rushing Defensive End is a luxury. When a back like Doug Martin(see Bucs game) and countless others can score on us AT WILL, what good are pass-rushers? There is no need for other teams to pass at all.
The most pressing need for this team is the Middle of each line.
At DT tackle Richard Seymore has totally given up either for lack of will or Injury to body. Kelly has been inconsistent his ENTIRE career. Houston is simply way to small to be an effective DT in this league. The rest are depth even if that.
Defensive Tackle is the Bleeding artery of this team.
On Offense the Middle of the Line is also the crux of our problems. Wiz II has had to change positions AND blocking scheme his second year and has looked confused and less powerful than his natural college position–GUARD. Brisiel has been horrendous, RT has been a revolving door, Carlisle has also been inconsistent and is also aging.
A NEW CENTER is needed stat, in order to free up Wiz2 to return to his natural position–Guard. Right guard is also needed.
Carson Palmer has no time to throw it (among the least time to throw after snap)
Our RBs have struggled.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:10 am
However all of the above is useless if Ownership has had the ear of players and wants to move.
These WRs were not Jerry Rices but they somehow forgot how to catch from last year. If they are purposely tanking it to create impetus to leave than there is nothing we can do…
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:26 am
severeraiderz Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Tom Cable was an O-line coach; the On-line played good to great most of his tenure
Hue Jackson was an offensive coach; the offense played great 85% of the time
Dennis Allen is a defensive coach; the defense is among the worst in the league. Most points given up in a 4 game span since ‘67
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This comment says it all.
It’s hard and often not done, where a HC returns to a team he coached before. Off the top of my head I can name Joe Gibbs. So, it’s unlikely Gruden would return. But, this organization/team lacks identity, and I do think Gruden loves the Raiders, personifies it to a degree, that if he did return, this org/team would have an identity, he’d bring the swagger back, they’d play much harder and smarter, be more competitive, and the Coliseum would sell out a lot more. Everyone still loves Gruden.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 am
Every week this season our coaches/defense have allowed players to have career days against us…
Gabbert, Green-Ellis, Weeden, Gordon, Martin, Hartline, etc etc.
Gruden HC + Marc Trestman as OC would be interesting. Trestman is off-contract from the Alouettes.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 am
Frustrated lol at DA/Knapp btw too. How they shelved Pryor all year, admitting he seldom if never gets reps in practice with the actual full units on the field. Meanwhile, Harbaugh understands to develop his back-up QB whilst also game-planning on winning games thru the year. Eventually DA/Knapp talk about how they finally activated Pryor to allow him the experience of learning how to dress for a game!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:25 am
Yea they’ve done a number on Pryor I feel sorry for the poor kid, they dont even give him a chance. He has broken spirits you could see it all in his face and hear it in his voice, and they’ve done the same to Taiwan. Real coaches build their players up and have them believing they’re the best even when they have no buisness feeling that way… I really dislike this DA guy he’s awful in many ways. He spends more time tearing guys down than he does building them up, i cant wait to see him gone.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:37 am
#795 so right. Im really angry with them for what they’re doing to the young talent. Hue got Taiwan 16 carries for 73 yards last year. He got the go on the field, found plays/ways to make him useful, that’s even with McFadden and Bush getting a ton of work too.
Most of the entire 53 man roster has regressed, that’s shameful.
Also, look at the talk in this thread about Burris, how people think he sucks. But you can be rest assured with better HC/DC that Burris would be looking a lot better.
December 3rd, 2012 at 3:41 am
Allen needs to be axed immediately along with the entire coaching staff. Obviously you can’t do that right now, there’d be no one left to coach the rest of the way. But each day that drags by, these coaches are causing further damage to these players.
If McKenzie cared for the roster, he should fire Allen, Knapp and Tarver immediately for now. Install Saunders as OC, promote someone I dont care who to HC, and promote one of the position coaches to DC.
Then end of the season wipe the slate clean on the coaches and let Mark open the checkbook to Gruden.
It needs to be done this week. The line is drawn. I wont accept any other outcome.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:13 am
If McKenzie cared for the roster, he should fire Allen, Knapp and Tarver immediately
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GG,
Reggie thinks most of the players on the roster suck (and they do!).
Didn’t you read his press conference transcript ??
Dennis Allen will be retained.
Knapp, Tarver & Hoffman?? Probably not!
assts John DeFilippo & Frank Pollack (both courtesy of Knapp) are certainly gone too …
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:15 am
Yea, youve got to get guys involved and make them feel part of the team. Its hard to get guys to play for you and respect when you dont respect them. Like you said Taiwan had 16 carries last season hue believed in him so you know he wanted to play hard for him hue gave a lot of players chances to prove themselves and thats why they performed better for him and respected him more. I mean hee wouldn’t even let the kid suit up… smh thats disrespectful and hurts a mans pride. I think hes holding a lot of players back like that and thats why the team is frustrated. He held reece back all those weeks, hes held ausberry back, hes held bergstrom back… smh hes just awful thats all I can say. And the players wont say it publicly but you know they cant wait til hes gone.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:17 am
When a lifelong Raider fan is looking at the 53-man roster and sees less than 20 players he’d like to keep, you know we aren’t gonna right the ship immediately
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:19 am
Reggie actually said he is evaluating everything on a week by week basis, including the HC and his staff, and will make a final determination end of the year, not before.
He’s saying he hasn’t given Allen a free year. He can be axed. Even if he also says he’s been happy with him too. Same time he also acknowledges he’s happy with Allen because there’s a bad culture here (among players) that needs to be weeded out. He might think what Allen is doing, tearing the players to shreds and regressing them is just what he wants to happen.
Reggie might have an agenda in that — validating clearing out Al Davis players so he can jerk off about all his own players on a roster.
But if Reggie is sincere, which i think he is, then Allen is on the heat-seat not only in Mark’s eyes but also Reggie’s.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:19 am
Reading Reggie’s transcript it sounds like DA will be retained but when you read marks from after the Bengals game it sounds as if hes good as gone. The owners called him out twice already so hes surely no lock to come back next year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:20 am
Taiwan Jones sucks. thats why he’s not on the field
Bergs is as green as they come
Reece wasn’t “held back”. He was a Fullback who is now getting more involved due to injuries suffered by DMAC & Goodson
Ausberry has potential, but Myers is better (sad, eh?) and Aus can’t block so he’s useless in 2TE sets
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:21 am
Jackie Bibby Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:15 am
Yea, youve got to get guys involved and make them feel part of the team. Its hard to get guys to play for you and respect when you dont respect them. Like you said Taiwan had 16 carries last season hue believed in him so you know he wanted to play hard for him hue gave a lot of players chances to prove themselves and thats why they performed better for him and respected him more. I mean hee wouldn’t even let the kid suit up… smh thats disrespectful and hurts a mans pride. I think hes holding a lot of players back like that and thats why the team is frustrated. He held reece back all those weeks, hes held ausberry back, hes held bergstrom back… smh hes just awful thats all I can say. And the players wont say it publicly but you know they cant wait til hes gone.
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So very true. It’s quite shameful and really angers me. I hate Allen (and Knapp and Tarver) soooooooooooo much I cant articulate it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:26 am
#803…
Taiwan LOOKS LIKE he sucks because he’s misused and not involved, not given plays that work for him.
Look, if all we had on McFadden was what he has done this year, we’d all think he sucks too. But we’ve seen him at his best (under Hue) given plays and schemes that work for him. So we KNOW McFadden’s terrible year is a result of coaching.
Same with Taiwan, Ausberry, Pryor, Burris, and everyone else who LOOKS LIKE they suck this year.
Taiwan had 16 for 73 last year and looked good. Clearly he cant pass protect, but he’s not an every-down back. He is a playmaking RB with the ball in hand, if put in the right plays that work for him. He’s misused, actually not even used. And Pryor and Ausberry the same. That’s bad OC’ing, not involving guys into the game-plans.
Look at what Belichick does…every week he does something different and uses different players to fvck with DCs minds. Same with Sean Payton. But Knapp is a one-trick pony.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:29 am
803 we haven’t seen Taiwan play enough to say he sucks, and im not saying start david just get him some plays because even tho he can’t block all that great when he catches the ball he makes things happen… add some double tight sets be more creative and utilize all your weapons is what im saying. And reece didnt play rb at all last year but hue still found ways to get him involved.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:30 am
Criner…another seldom used big-bodied redzone and 3rd down target.
You’d think him taking so long to see the field in any great extent was because he sucks and the coaches haven’t put him on the field because they deem he sucks, and supposedly coaches know this.
But this coaching staff sucks and doesn’t know how to develop or game-plan. It’s really Knapp’s fault because that’s his signature OC’ing style. So set in his stock WCO ways, where you have 2 wide, a TE, and a RB and FB, your starters, and that’s what you use every down, they’re your best players, and you just roll out the one personnel package the entire game every week.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:35 am
Post 805 agreed. I think Taiwan could be integrated into the offense the same way dexter mccluster is in kc. Hilis and charles are your primary backs butthey find ways to get dexter mccluster involved as well.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:38 am
Yea Greg Knapp is predictable and lame.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:38 am
I’ll give you an example of why Reggie, as a smart GM, would truly be ready to axe Allen end of the year…
Not only do Al’s players LOOK LIKE they suck, but most of all his own hand-picked players under Allen. They LOOK LIKE they suck. He would know and believe in his scouting ability, just like Al did, and would recognize that Allen/Knapp/Tarver have not developed them and actually made them look worse than they are.
I’m calling it, Allen is a goner. If not by Reggie, Mark will overrule him — as he should. Mark really owns it now, his handprint on this org now this year, which is why we’ve seen him finally coming out and expressing what he has. He really feels responsible for it and will want to fix it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:41 am
#808 and #809
yep. i appreciate that others like RR might disagree, see things differently. and im not dissing their pov, assessments, observations, but i just wanna let it be know (over and over) that what Jackie Bibby is saying I totally agree. we see it that way and are confident that it’s that way.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:47 am
Maybe we could trade Palmer, McFadden, DHB and a 2015 #1 for the Jags pick. Then Reggie could draft both Te’o and Star Lotuleilei.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:50 am
Criner is getting open. Unfortunately, he dropped a couple passes and Palmer missed him on a couple of throws. It seems like Carson likes to throw it to him. He is someone who should develop into a good WR if he works hard.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:52 am
Norco Bob talked to Reggie yesterday. He seems to think Allen is staying.
December 3rd, 2012 at 4:59 am
807 exactly
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:04 am
The Raider Defense is beyond Awful…they let the Browns beat them yesterday at home…. This team has taken the identidy of losers….that’s gotta change… They expect to lose ..watching them play, you never get the feeling that they’re in control…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:05 am
If Allen stays there’ll be a mutiny. Especially if Allen retains Knapp and/or Tarver.
I kinda don’t trust Reggie. I can’t shake a feeling he does have an agenda. But, more realistically, I can’t see Mark standing by letting Reggie retain Allen/etc. Especially if Mark MIGHT be out there reeling Gruden in.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:12 am
I kinda don’t trust Reggie. I can’t shake a feeling he does have an agenda.
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Agenda? He has a plan, not an agenda. What are you insinuating?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:12 am
Allen doesn’t seem to have the personality of a leader…I’ve tried to give Allen the Benefit of doubt but that’s getting harder and harder…. Knapp, I’m already done with him… Same with Tarver and Hoffman…this team still can’t tackle … Still blowing coverages on pass defense… Over and over…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:14 am
#818 see #801
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:15 am
Reggie?… I hope to hell he has an agenda…. His agenda better be improving the worse team in Football…. Chiefs and Browns won… Our Raiders are horrible..
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:16 am
Rockstar,
Poo-Poo platter
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:17 am
#819…Allen looks like a shell (pun) out there. suspects his goose is cooked because he knows he’s lost the players. if you asked dennis privately himself, i bet he’d be unsure of where he stands.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:17 am
No way should Taiwan get reps ahead of Stewart.
LOL at this….but Stewart might be our 3rd best offseason acquisition, behind Wheeler and Streater.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:18 am
Reggie might have an agenda in that — validating clearing out Al Davis players so he can jerk off about all his own players on a roster.
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We have been complaining about guys like Tommy Kelly, Mike Mitchell, Huff, and Seymour for years now. There is a reason we are 3-9. The Raiders have a very bad roster.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 am
I noticed yesterday that when one of our guys commits a penalty some of the players slapped them on the back and seemed to imply” that’s ok”…. Well it’s not ok…somebody needs to step up and slam them … They gave the Browns far to much help… This team isn’t good enough to help the other team out…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:22 am
I’m torn on Dennis Allen. Part of me wants to see some continuity. It’s terrible to keep firing coaches every year. The other part of me wants to see someone like David Shaw come to the Raiders. The fact that Allen is leaving the team for a couple of days before a Thursday game and didn’t even tell the players himself is a little disturbing.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:23 am
GG… You’re problably right…. Allen doesn’t give me any confidence … He looks like a guy thats losing… Body language …
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:23 am
I noticed yesterday that when one of our guys commits a penalty some of the players slapped them on the back and seemed to imply” that’s ok”….
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I’ve seen that before too. A guy makes a hard hit and gets a 15 yarder and he gets high fives.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:25 am
Albert… I hear ya… Part of the problem has been the every changing coachs … But it clear that Knapp, Tarver and Hoffman should be give’n walking papers
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:26 am
#824…read Jackie Biddy’s comments on this, eg McCluster. It’s about finding ways to involve players, not only for their development, but also game-planning, chess vs DCs, running plays that work for them (eg, Hue asking Dmac what plays he likes to run).
#825…the defensive depth chart is garbage, but the offensive depth chart isn’t. The defense has been an achilles heel for years. The last couple years, once we got rid of Knapp and brought in Hue and Saunders, it’s been shown to be incredibly talented and high-octane….needs a clever OC tho. Taiwan Pryor Ausberry for instance, they all are very useful and can be potent for us, if the OC knows how to utilize them. As I explained in #807 and #805, Knapp’s ways are limited and limiting. These players are wasted in Knapp’s offense.
Do you get rid of Knapp because he’s misusing and not utilizing the talent to its best. Or do you retain Knapp and get rid of Taiwan, Ausberry and Pryor because they’re not utilized in the system?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:26 am
Dennis Allen’s pressers are extremely frustrating. It’s the same thing every week. ‘Well, we got to make tackles and keep working on getting better’.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:27 am
I noticed yesterday that when one of our guys commits a penalty some of the players slapped them on the back and seemed to imply” that’s ok”….
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Even better was TK jumping offsides then putthing his hand in the air look a soccer player does to admit a foul.
TK send in his chat he loves soccer. Well that’s what that looked like.
Maybe next time he F’s up when someone else does good he can give that Thumbs Up thing they do.
Can this loser.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:27 am
Fingers Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:25 am
Albert… I hear ya… Part of the problem has been the every changing coachs … But it clear that Knapp, Tarver and Hoffman should be give’n walking papers
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I agree. No way can they keep the assistants. Knapp has to go just to appease the fans.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:30 am
Two weeks ago I saw Taiwan Jones get destroyed in pass blocking. That’s why he isn’t playing RB.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:30 am
Taiwan is no Dexter McCluster.
McCluster was a jack of all trades, everydown player in the SEC for a couple of years.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:31 am
I wonder who will do Allen’s presser today?.. Knapp?..
I’d like to know why they’re still blowing coverage … At least 3 times yesterday the Browns had players wideopen , not a Raider within 10 /15 yards… …maybe more…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:32 am
I still don’t understand why the Raiders abandoned the running game yesterday.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:32 am
#831…what i mean is….it’s not about Taiwan being #2 and thus getting 10 snaps to Stewart’s 0. It’s not about Stewart being #2 and getting 10 snaps to Taiwan’s 0. It’s about utilizing them all in different ways, mix-match, personnel packages (just like Sean Payton is so good at doing). Ways for Taiwan to be out there to give the DC something to think about…used like say Sproles. Ways for Stewart to be out to give the DC something think about…like Ivory/Thomas. Packages where Myers, Ausberry, Criner are out there….creating certain types of mismatches and things for DCs to think about. Etc.
But with Knapp as OC. It’s that whole stock WCO thing. Just put your one main personnel package out there of DHB, Moore, Myer, Reece, McFadden, because they’re your best players at those positions. And it’s the dominant package used for the most of the game, every game every week.
Sorry to repeat. Just trying to emphasize something.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:33 am
Nothing to be impressed about Allen’s defensive minded coaching …. Not getting the job done…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:36 am
Agree… Tommy Kelly sucks… When he was mouthing off at the Cards in preseason I thought… Kelly , you better back your mouth up….and of course he hasn’t..
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:36 am
We need to replace at least 7 or 8 starters on that defense.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:38 am
838… I can’t figure it out either…. The Run was working…so naturally they went away from it…. Amazing…
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:39 am
Whoever the coach is the next year, we are still going to be bad. Next year is the real rebuilding year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:42 am
#839 is also a reply to #835 and #836
Already explained these two comments. Not saying Taiwan is McCluster. But that Taiwan provides a certain ability that can be utilized to effect, if used what works for him. There are ways to get him out there, doing things he’s good at. You don’t put him in pass protection obviously. That doesn’t mean because he sucks at it, you only use him to pass protect. You would use him where his best skills can be exploited against the D.
The key phrase is “personnel packages”. Like the Saints do. It’s about fvcking with the DCs mind. Giving them more things to worry about or unsure about what’s to come. There aren’t enough PP’s used by Knapp. He has a few of them. Early downs, 3rd down and long, 3rd down and short, redzone, hurry up offense, 2 minute offense. And for the most part, it’s using the same personnel. And a number of players get only a handful of snaps due Knapp’s rigidity in the concept of #1, #2, #3.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:44 am
832.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:26 am
Dennis Allen’s pressers are extremely frustrating. It’s the same thing every week. ‘Well, we got to make tackles and keep working on getting better’.
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You think you’re frustrated, imagine how he feels watching these clowns miss tackles and blow assignments all over the place.
If I were him I’d be ready to shoot somebody.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:45 am
The only way I can see DA leaving is if we get some one like Cowher in here. I don’t want to have another freakin’ rookie HC
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:45 am
Yep.. This teams at least 2 yrs out…. Maybe more… I can’t even see any light at the end of the tunnel right now….. This team is worse than 2006.. IMO ..if thats possible….never seen a defense as bad as this one…..
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:49 am
I can’t even see another credible coach coming here… Have to give him loads of cash and power …
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:51 am
Should read….doesnt mean because he sucks at pass protection, you NEVER use him, never find ways to get him running plays he can execute well and that will give the D things to worry about.
Knapp has an everydown back concept. So that’s the $64 question. Do you keep Knapp for another year or two, and thus get rid of all those bit-part players who can be explosive, used for varying effects, because they’re useless in a Knapp offense. Or do you get rid of Knapp and hire an OC who knows how to utilize the latent talent that is there in the roster.
That’s the agenda hinted at before. Also, it’s a mistake of a GM to gut a roster for the sake of the OC, as OC’s only stick around for 2-3 years, before they’re either fired for sucking, or they get hired by other teams as HCs when they do well. You don’t gut 53 to protect 1, a 1 that is more short-term. Much harder and longer in years to keep rebuilding a 53 if you keep gutting it every time an OC doesn’t want to or know how to utilize them. You get rid of the OC and find someone who can utilize them, them who the GM invested in, scouted and signed for 3-5+ years.
From a GM pov, Reggie would have to see that.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:52 am
I still don’t understand why the Raiders abandoned the running game yesterday.
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Palmer was playing hero ball.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:52 am
Then do it. I can’t believe some one wouldn’t want to come in here and be the one to “right the ship” We are so far down that it shouldn’t be hard to make improvements in all areas of the game.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:54 am
I can’t even see another credible coach coming here…
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Me neither, and I always say it has more to do with going into a lameduck stadium situation more then anaything else.
What “credible” coach wants to take that on? You got to coach a last placed team, AND sell the community on building a stadium, and be stuck in the middle of a political process?
We are going to have a hard time finding anyone to even fill the interviews.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:54 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Had hopes when we should have beaten Atlanta! 4 games after that, not anymore! Well…
Anyways, this one I will blame on Palmer…que that two people to come on in here and gloat! But dam…
will the Nation see Pryor in some fasion Thursday night?
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:54 am
Watched the BCS selection show last night. Some real snoozers for the most of the actual BCS bowls, but besides the championship game (which should be a great game and a real slugfest) the K-State/Oregon game looks like a good one, and I definitely want to see OU/A&M go at it.
Kevin Sumlin is a former OU offensive coordinator, OU is playing probably their best football of the year, and then there’s Johnny Football (the Wave of The Future, lol). Worth watching, for sure.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:55 am
Lol… So bad that it can only get better ?… Lol… I hope so..
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:57 am
851.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:52 am
I still don’t understand why the Raiders abandoned the running game yesterday.
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Palmer was playing hero ball.
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Palmer realized his defense wasn’t going to stop anyone and knew he had to try and put up points without running too much clock.
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:59 am
Palmer realized his defense wasn’t going to stop anyone and knew he had to try and put up points without running too much clock.
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zactly!
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:59 am
I used to love being in Vegas on New Years day, all the bowl games, tons of action, games starting early in the AM. We used to get comped New Years Eve parties and then have a private breakfast buffet thing the next morning that had all the games and it’s own betting booth.
Then I left town, don’t bet on games, they spread out the games over a bunch of days, and I probably won’t watch 2 hours of all the bowls combined (outside of the BCS game).
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:01 am
I can’t pin point 1 player … It’s been a team wide meltdown …. I’d be more inclined to blame coaching for getting away from the Run….just makes no sense ..
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:01 am
Palmer realized his defense wasn’t going to stop anyone and knew he had to try and put up points without running too much clock.
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They was a stretch of almost a half of a game (halfway through the 2nd quarter, to the 4th quarter) where we gave up only 3 points.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:03 am
They was a stretch of almost a half of a game (halfway through the 2nd quarter, to the 4th quarter) where we gave up only 3 points.
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No reason to expect that though. Palmer has said when we get behind he’s always trying to score twice on each drive.
Need better Oline and just one freakin’ REAL receiver.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:03 am
I think Pryor will play against KC. Maybe he will get some plays against Denver. The Raiders could be down 28-0 at halftime. So, we may see Pryor in the 2nd half. If he shows signs that he can play QB, I would start him the last 3 games.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:04 am
This defense couldn’t stop a team of Blind Nuns…… They couldn’t stop the Browns….
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:05 am
861.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:01 am
Palmer realized his defense wasn’t going to stop anyone and knew he had to try and put up points without running too much clock.
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They was a stretch of almost a half of a game (halfway through the 2nd quarter, to the 4th quarter) where we gave up only 3 points.
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Yep, and just like always, we couldn’t sustain it. You sound like a guy that understands playing the odds, so you can probably understand Palmer’s mindset there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:09 am
I gave Carson a pass for the beginning of the season. Our issues weren’t his fault. I gave him a pass in the ATL game for his pick, mostly because he did drive us down to score right afterwards, which showed some moxie. I gave him a pass in the TB game, because he did SINGLE-HANDELY keep us close in that game.
But since then? Can’t give him anymore passes.
Yes, the Baltimore game we didn’t have much of a chance. They are way better than us. But falling down on the 4th down play (and showing no fight to try to get up) and the picks? Then the horrendous pick 6 against the Saints? Then the Cincy game, where he throws a terrible INT at the end of the half due to being high and hard on a 4 yard pass that was a 6 point swing? Then we finally get somewhat competitive, and he fumbles at midfield? And then the terrible pass down the stretch yesterday?
I’m out of passes. Ship him the hell out of town.
Like I compared yesterday, he’s like that pitcher who ONLY hangs one curveball a game, but it is a hanger to the cleanup hitter in a tie game with 2 runners on.
At some point in time, you are who you are. Palmer is a back-breaking INT at the end of a close game guy.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:09 am
859.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 5:59 am
I used to love being in Vegas on New Years day, all the bowl games, tons of action, games starting early in the AM. We used to get comped New Years Eve parties and then have a private breakfast buffet thing the next morning that had all the games and it’s own betting booth.
Then I left town, don’t bet on games, they spread out the games over a bunch of days, and I probably won’t watch 2 hours of all the bowls combined (outside of the BCS game).
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I looked at all the matchups, and the only reason I would watch most of them is if I was a fan of one of the schools involved. They really crapped the bed on some of those.
Florida-Louisville? Florida State-Northern Illinois? I realize the rules mandated some of the matchups, but I can’t remember being less intrigued by a bowl season. Some real clunkers, to be sure.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:09 am
I think it’s finally starting to sink in to some people just how bad we really are as a team personnel-wise and coaching staff. We are historically bad. This team is a complete disaster and it’s gonna take some time to build back up into a contender from where we’re at. I believe in Reggie and i think DA probably deserves another year but the players have got to go.
Wwe don’t have any talent right now and it’s killing us. Unfortunately this is who we’re stuck with through the end of the season so 4-12 is probably realistic.
We just gotta hang in there and make it through this miserable wretch of a season and look forward to next year. It’s gotta get better right?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:10 am
All you guys wondering about this DA thing. Whats there to consider? Everyone in the Nation should have seen the Handwritting on the wall, when Knapp was re-hired, and Tarver was hired as DC. I mean the qusetion in my mind about Tarver…immediately was (what does this guy know about the NFL–his defenses at Stanford werent good) DA’s hiring of these guys proved that he was not what we needed!! Its almost safe to say that had he hired better assistant-coaches…we probably would have had a better year. But it all comes with the territory…when you hire assistance who are no good, you go down with them–which proves that he didnt know what he was really doing (INCOMPETENCE)
When Knapp was hired 1st…I knew with we would not win more than 5 games…I didnt know much about Tarver, however how good could he be, when Stanfords Defenses werent reknowned anyhow!!!
The players did not really believe in this Staff since it was instilled…however it also would not be protocol to admit as such.
Better coaching usually brings better records…this is why certain teams are always there at the end…talent counts especially at the QB position…but coaching the overall talent to put into the right spots to win…is important also!
Your best teams that are there every year have the right QB-Coach combos with superior game-planning-calling by the coaches with good adequate defenses. Not Great Defenses but they are adequate.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:11 am
I really don’t think we win another game guys. I just don’t see it happening.
There are “leaders” on this team that just respect the HC regardless of who it is. They need to go, and go now.
I don’t believe DA has lost the locker room, but I do believe that he’s lost these “leaders”
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:13 am
*that just don’t respect
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:14 am
Out of the entire coaching staff and 53 man roster, there is not more than maybe a handful of guys who you can make an argument that they HAVE TO come back.
Who? Reece, yes. Des Bryant (even with the penalty late), yes. Houston, playing well amid the crap, yes. Veldheer, I guess, but he seems to give up the late sack almost weekly now. STreater, yes. Seabass, hey got to have that elite kicker. Wheeler? I guess as well, mostly because we have nada at LB. Huff, I am sure we wouldn’t notice if he wasn’t playing.
Who else?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:16 am
Raiderbuck…after yesterday I don’t see the Raiders winning another either…. Just a very bad team….I want them to win everytime they take the field .. But it’s not gonna happen … I never hope for loses even for draft position… But if I had to bet on it ..id bet they lose out… Only a handful of players with pride on this team
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:18 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:09 am
I gave Carson a pass for the beginning of the season. Our issues weren’t his fault. I gave him a pass in the ATL game for his pick, mostly because he did drive us down to score right afterwards, which showed some moxie. I gave him a pass in the TB game, because he did SINGLE-HANDELY keep us close in that game.
But since then? Can’t give him anymore passes.
Yes, the Baltimore game we didn’t have much of a chance. They are way better than us. But falling down on the 4th down play (and showing no fight to try to get up) and the picks? Then the horrendous pick 6 against the Saints? Then the Cincy game, where he throws a terrible INT at the end of the half due to being high and hard on a 4 yard pass that was a 6 point swing? Then we finally get somewhat competitive, and he fumbles at midfield? And then the terrible pass down the stretch yesterday?
I’m out of passes. Ship him the hell out of town.
Like I compared yesterday, he’s like that pitcher who ONLY hangs one curveball a game, but it is a hanger to the cleanup hitter in a tie game with 2 runners on.
At some point in time, you are who you are. Palmer is a back-breaking INT at the end of a close game guy.
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I agree, Palmer just doesnt have the IT factor, he has the INT factor. Yes he has some excuses regarding the WRs, but he’s a blend of Jeff George and Kerry Collins.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:20 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:14 am
Out of the entire coaching staff and 53 man roster, there is not more than maybe a handful of guys who you can make an argument that they HAVE TO come back.
Who? Reece, yes. Des Bryant (even with the penalty late), yes. Houston, playing well amid the crap, yes. Veldheer, I guess, but he seems to give up the late sack almost weekly now. STreater, yes. Seabass, hey got to have that elite kicker. Wheeler? I guess as well, mostly because we have nada at LB. Huff, I am sure we wouldn’t notice if he wasn’t playing.
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And yet, people still want to blame the coaching.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:22 am
I wish the media would ask DA why he wont let jano attempt a 58-59 yd fg.2 times we punted from cleveland’s 42, ..we lose by 3..hmm..same thing happened in Atlanta. Jano is our best player hands down, and DA has no faith in him between 55-60.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:23 am
Allen won’t be at today’s presser….. I expect it to be Knapp….
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:24 am
On defense, I would keep Bryant, Houston, Wheeler, Burris, Bilukidi, Joselio Hanson, and I guess Huff and Branch. Although, I wouldn’t miss either Huff or Branch. That’s not much to work with.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:25 am
Pryor has to has to start a game this year….
Not because we would like to evaluate him, not because the season is shot, and we should put the young guys in.
Because it would be a travesty to let Palmer surpass Gannon’s 2002 season record with this type of season.
I just don’t think I could stomach it.
I wonder if anyone will put up a billboard for that
go raiders.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:26 am
I thought Branch was gonna be a Baller….schidt….
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:26 am
Crawford, we don’t anything about him. He’s been injured all year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:26 am
Edward Teach Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:20 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:14 am
Out of the entire coaching staff and 53 man roster, there is not more than maybe a handful of guys who you can make an argument that they HAVE TO come back.
Who? Reece, yes. Des Bryant (even with the penalty late), yes. Houston, playing well amid the crap, yes. Veldheer, I guess, but he seems to give up the late sack almost weekly now. STreater, yes. Seabass, hey got to have that elite kicker. Wheeler? I guess as well, mostly because we have nada at LB. Huff, I am sure we wouldn’t notice if he wasn’t playing.
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And yet, people still want to blame the coaching.
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when you go 3-13 and players and performance regress, there is alot of blame to go around. we all agree the players need to go, but what has our gm/hc/coordinators done to give us hope? they all under performed.even with all their excuses. they will be back. 2012 the year of the excuse,2013 no excuses
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:29 am
I don’t think the players have quit. Maybe some of them have. But, they seem to playing hard still. I see the defense gang tackling. The problem is when they are no where near the player with the ball, which happens a lot.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:35 am
nycraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:22 am
I wish the media would ask DA why he wont let jano attempt a 58-59 yd fg.2 times we punted from cleveland’s 42, ..we lose by 3..hmm..same thing happened in Atlanta. Jano is our best player hands down, and DA has no faith in him between 55-60.
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He’s incompetent, along with the fact the he had Jano attempt a 61-yard fg, at the end of the half on a soggy field…and neither time did they try a shot downfield…DA and this staff will be gone!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:36 am
Our reality is that we have below average talent with our starting 22. When injuries strike we simply can not compete.
It will take two very good drafts to restore us to a competitive team.
This is a young man’s game.
Just looking at the lines you have Carlisle, Barnes Seymour(Disastrous deal and cap hit), Kelly that are on the wrong side of 30.
Kelly and Seymour may be fine upstanding citizens but they can not compete in the NFL.Just pathetic.
Tollefson and Carter are examples of what you get as leftovers and castoffs. Also both over 30.
Those areas are a priority and we will be lucky to fill two of thsoe spots next year with our 1st round and 3rd round picks.
Please do not talk free agents. Very poor value relative to young hungry college talent.
Some of you think this can be a quick fix with ANOTHER COACHING CHANGE. Give me a break. All the quick fixes you think exist were preceeded by several years of building the trenches. Stuff the superficial fan does not see or care about let alone understand.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:38 am
bartell no ints since 2008 gets benched in favor of cbs who can barely walk and chew gum at the same time. its time for everyone to finally admit reggie put together a horrible secondary.in fact the best corner might have been pat lee, but reggie cut him. reggie is so far over his head its scary
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:40 am
if this is a young mans game then how many 1st or 2nd year players make the pro bowl
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:42 am
Blaming a QB for anything when we need to play catch up all the time with no running game is silly bordering on ignorant.
Please get back to studying the basics.
Our defense especially on the line is overpaid and pathetic. Our Oline is average but can not run the ball against physical fronts.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:44 am
Charlie Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:42 am
Blaming a QB for anything when we need to play catch up all the time with no running game is silly bordering on ignorant.
Please get back to studying the basics.
Our defense especially on the line is overpaid and pathetic. Our Oline is average but can not run the ball against physical fronts.
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part of the reason we play catch up is bc palmers qb rating in the first quarter is in the 60s. he s part of the problem too
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:47 am
The Oakland Raiders are probably the most consistent team in the NFL right now.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 am
I’d line to see the Raiders good again……….. Before I die of old age ….
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 am
NYC
Amusing comment if not extraordinarily superficial.
What is your point?
Just look at the durability factor.
Production relative to salary equals value.
By the way how many Pro Bowl players do the Raiders have?
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:49 am
You know what guys, we are bad, but Philly lost 8 straight, so did AZ AFTER starting 4-0! San Diego, can we win one more and then beat them at the end…not sure if they will win again as well!
Not saying that we are better than them, but, and especially Philly, you can only imagine what they’re fan base is saying!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:50 am
thursday night game , prime time, and we are gonna lose 52-28 , but palmer will pass for 300 yds.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:51 am
891″I’d like”*…
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:53 am
Of course Palmers gonna throw for tons of yards Thursday…. The Donkey will score everytime they have the ball….. Palmers yards aren’t an issue…. Wins are the issue..
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:55 am
Charlie Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:48 am
NYC
Amusing comment if not extraordinarily superficial.
What is your point?
Just look at the durability factor.
Production relative to salary equals value.
By the way how many Pro Bowl players do the Raiders have?
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my point is , successful franchises are good at all three phases, draft, free agency, and trades. to just build through the draft is foolish. it can be your foundation but with most contracts not being guaranteed. a good gm , will be able to add key pieces through free agency while not jeopardizing the future.
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:57 am
Thursday night were gonna see Maybe the Best Qb to ever play against possibly the worse Defense I’ve ever seen play…..
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:59 am
would it really surprise you if reggie traded our 1st round pick for 5 gb practice squad players
December 3rd, 2012 at 6:59 am
I’m already sick just thinking about what Mannings gonna do to the Raiders on Thursday….
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:00 am
at least sunday i wont be frustrated
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:01 am
I’m living in enemy territory now… Gonna be hard wearing any Raider gear here this week….but I will ..
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:01 am
Peter King’s MMQB just revealed why Reggie doesn’t just cut McClain: If he sends McBosworth packing, it’s a $7.26 million cap hit for next year, compared with a $6.6 million cap hit if he keep him.
Thank you, Al.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:05 am
Someone told me yesterday ( forget who) that Allen ask McLame if he even cares … And his answer was… I have 4 million $ reasons not to care”… Don’t know how true that is but if it is… Then Fk McLame… Anyway they can find to screw him I approve of …. If true
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:09 am
I read that too, Fingers!
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:09 am
886. You’re correct Bartell was a terrible signing. The guy runs like he has cement in his shoes. He was a terrible signing. Reggie Mc bombed in the draft and his FA pick-ups have been pathetic.
reggie Mc did a terrible job of adding to and/or building the roster.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 am
Reggie has een far from Golden with his acquisitions, from the HC to the roster…
Denver is going to run us out of our own building, which is probaly the best thing going forward…
Just TANK Baby, not that you have a choice.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 am
RaiderDuck Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:01 am
Peter King’s MMQB just revealed why Reggie doesn’t just cut McClain: If he sends McBosworth packing, it’s a $7.26 million cap hit for next year, compared with a $6.6 million cap hit if he keep him.
Thank you, Al.
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wow,..didnt realize this..makes me scratch my head even more why Reggie gave seymour a new contract that if he cuts seymour our cap get hit by 5.5 mil or why after the surprising franchising of branch he gave him a long term contract. throw in that palmers restructuring guarantees him 15 mil next year and the fatal signing of briesel which when cut next year our cap hit is 2.7 million and we have a gm who only added fuel to the fire. Reggie has his excuses for 2012 but none for 2013
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:31 am
POST-903,SO WHATS THE ANSWER? CUT HIM AND TAKE THE CAP HIT OR KEEP A PLAYER WHO IS NOT PERFORMING AND PAY HIM..THE 2ND CHOICE COST YOU 2 WAYS,ON THE FIELD AND $$$
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:39 am
Richard Gordon got smiles and a pat on the back when he went to the sidelines after his personal foul have the Browns good field position ….. They should have cussed him… Then on the first play , offsides Raiders… Forget who it was.. But he got pats on the back from the defense …..that’s 20 yrds given to the Browns without them gaining a yard…
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:40 am
Gave * the browns …910
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 am
We spend what? around 10 million on Free Agents this year? Brisiel, Bartell, Tollefson, Spencer, Barnes, Carlisle among others, plus we had 2 million of cap space when it was all said and done, it wasn’t much but we did not spend it wisely and then we restructured Seymour and Kelly so they will cost more next year, we also brought Curry back instead of saving money by cutting him in the off-season and our Coaching Staff is questionable at best right now.
Not a great offseason, but I trust Reggie will be better next year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 am
Later.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 am
54 passes and 16 runs in a game:
We averaged 5+ ypc
We were down 3 points in the 3rd quarter
We allowed 20 points
And people want to blame the QB.
I got news for you people….. That’s what happens when you throw 54 times.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 am
good morning raider fans and yes you too reggie bootlickers, how are they tasting today?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 am
Couldn’t feel better about a loss to such a horrible team. Maybe this will jumpstart a change in coaching
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 am
What a horrible shame it would be if Carson Palmer broke Gannon’s record in such an embarrasing year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 am
Couldn’t feel better about a loss to such a horrible team. Maybe this will jumpstart a change in coaching
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Heads will roll.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 am
Funny how people latch blame onto a particular player or small group of players. Here is the blame hierarchy for those of you that need help:
1) Owner
2) GM
3) HC + assistants
4) Players
FIX THIS SH1T!
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 am
Try Some Reality Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 am
Couldn’t feel better about a loss to such a horrible team. Maybe this will jumpstart a change in coaching
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Heads will roll.
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Hope so, even the all access pass Reggie is giving his coaches should never cover a loss to the Browns
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 am
Bartell and Spencer over Tracy Porter was a mistake.
Ignoring our need for a pass rusher was a mistake.
Drafting the 26 YO rookie who still can’t start on a weak OL was a mistake.
Signing Mike Briseil was a mistake.
Hiring DA and the Turd Monkeys was a huge mistake.
Not impressed.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 am
Bartell and Spencer over Tracy Porter was a mistake.
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Well Tracy hasn’t played all season either. I wanted Cortland Finnegan.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 am
Good draft pick
At minimum new assistant coaches
This loss is not that bad for us. May stimulate necessary change. This coaching staff is going nowhere fast….at least the assistants.
If DA is unwilling to let them go, then he can go too. Of Reggie is unwilling to do what is right, and obvious, then he is signing his own termination papers after the team repeats its performance in 2013.
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 am
finegan wouldve been a huge upgrade…but only if we stayed with press man…zone goves the qb time to think…
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 am
DE benched Moore and Bartell for subpar playing (I don’t have a problem with that), but he should have benched Knapp too for subpar play calling and coaching.
54 runs and 16 passes in a game we were only down 3 points in the 3rd quarter and allowed 20 points.
Pathetic!!!
If knapp comes back next year, I will not watch any games. Why bother?
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 am
finegan wouldve been a huge upgrade…but only if we stayed with press man…zone goves the qb time to think…
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I actually like how everyone hated the Press Man that Al ran, then cries all this season long when guys play 8 yards off on 3rd and 3
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 am
“Funny how people latch blame onto a particular player or small group of players. Here is the blame hierarchy for those of you that need help:
1) Owner
2) GM
3) HC + assistants
4) Players
FIX THIS SH1T!”
Good post!
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 am
Got to hand it to Knapp, your QB is hurt most of the week, bad thumb, your running game is working…let us rely just on the passing game. Who cares, start Pryor!
No Carson was not worth the trade, gave up too much for a QB that all but retired. Other teams would have gotten Palmer for a 5th round pick, thanks Hue. Thought Carson would not be the focus of the offense this year, thought we would have a great ZBS running game with the “Beast” McFadden.
Truth, I didn’t watch the game. Storm knocked out my Cable and internet,no football!
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 am
Eff you Knapp you POS!
Eff you too Titty Monkey!
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 am
judge…ive been laughing at those guys all year…it svcks that i can but its so plain to see…
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 am
You see all these teams go from nothing to at least contending or putting up a fight..The Rams beat the 9ers? They tied them on the Road? The Colts are 8-4? The Redskins are moving up and forward. The Bengals are back in action? The Steelers beat the Ravens on the Road?
We can barely beat and often lose to the worst teams in the NFL, forget beating someone like the 9ers, or the Pack, or the Crappy yet devastatingly awesome Saints..
This year was a 16 game pre-season..Think about that. What do you think next year is going to be other than a rhetoric filled lovefest at the beginning…only to be handed all kinds of whoop-a$$ once the season starts..for yep, you guessed it..another preseason season..
10 and then is right.
When I watch this team I just can’t help but laugh. I have never seen a bunch of players work so hard at losing in my whole life. When your WHOLE squad gets outplayed at every position all over the field, you got a lot of work to do, and no hope on the horizon. I feared this sort of season after the house cleaning..and its exactly what we got. I have no idea what next year is going to look like, probably a bit better, but not much. This is a bonafide 4 year project…but its amazing that OTHER teams don’t have that issue.
Just the Raiders..
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 am
Scary is that Knapp is running the show this week…hopefully all is well with Allen’s father and prayers to him and his family! But even with Knapp running the show, could it get any worse?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 am
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 am
Good draft pick
At minimum new assistant coaches
This loss is not that bad for us. May stimulate necessary change. This coaching staff is going nowhere fast….at least the assistants.
If DA is unwilling to let them go, then he can go too. Of Reggie is unwilling to do what is right, and obvious, then he is signing his own termination papers after the team repeats its performance in 2013.
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What I saw was actually refreshing. The defensive line played hard against a good Cleveland Oline. We just don’t have the horses out there. I thought the team was well coached. After drops by DHB and Moore repeatedly, they were benched and the undrafted guys made some plays. That was refreshing.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 am
judge…ive been laughing at those guys all year…it svcks that i can but its so plain to see…
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I hated every single fire and hire from the begining of the year, especially Knapp, but really wanted to believe. I usually gave Al a pass for it being his team and even though he was wrong, his intentions were to win. But Reggie and his pass the blame game get no such patience.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:10 am
“Funny how people latch blame onto a particular player or small group of players. Here is the blame hierarchy for those of you that need help:
1) Owner
2) GM
3) HC + assistants
4) Players
FIX THIS SH1T!”
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We changed owners. We changed GM’s. We have changed HC and assitants repeatedly. It’s the same sh**. Maybe it is time for some of the players to go.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 am
What I saw was actually refreshing. The defensive line played hard against a good Cleveland Oline. We just don’t have the horses out there. I thought the team was well coached. After drops by DHB and Moore repeatedly, they were benched and the undrafted guys made some plays. That was refreshing.
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At least someone has their turd polish out.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:12 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:10 am
“Funny how people latch blame onto a particular player or small group of players. Here is the blame hierarchy for those of you that need help:
1) Owner
2) GM
3) HC + assistants
4) Players
FIX THIS SH1T!”
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We changed owners. We changed GM’s. We have changed HC and assitants repeatedly. It’s the same sh**. Maybe it is time for some of the players to go.
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I was actually praying for the same, except it’s worse. Oh and we did try letting some players go.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 am
judge….agreed, sometimes al made some bonehead decisions but he never stopped trying to win…reggie just doesnt seem to understand that hard workers are great…in private industry, this is the nfl…you win with talent not overachievers….
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 am
After drops by DHB and Moore repeatedly, they were benched and the undrafted guys made some plays. That was refreshing.
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Very, I was quite happy about that. These guys need to understand that it takes ALOT of work to get that ball to them..everything has to work just right for them to have a chance at catching it…and when it DOES actually work right (read: execution) and these two primadonnas have it clank off their hands it just deflates the whole team…
As my football coach used to say.
“CATCH THE DAMN BALL!”
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 am
reggie just doesnt seem to understand that hard workers are great…in private industry, this is the nfl…you win with talent not overachievers….
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I think this is true to an extent..you can have 3 or 4 overachievers on a team..but they cannot be at the most critical positions..you just can’t.–and we have them ALL over the field..and they are getting schooled.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 am
When your WHOLE squad gets outplayed at every position all over the field, you got a lot of work to do, and no hope on the horizon.
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That being said, Canning DA and all his assistants, as well as drafting Geno Smith (I hear this alot) is just gonna fix everything?
Prolly the most Ignorant thing I’ve heard so far is all the “FIRE REGGIE” lobbyists out there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am
mikie thats true you make a good point. My problem
with overachievers is that you know what they are…they have hit their ceiling…on their best day in perfect weather they still cant stay with more talented players….
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 am
My last ditch of hope is that this was all part of Reggie’s master plan. Hire the most incompetent coaching canidate avaliable, instruct him to hire equally incompetent coaches, fill out the roster with equally incompetent 2nd stringers and play for a high draft spot (Thank u Chiefs for relinqueshing your stranglehold) and then start completely fresh in 2013. New roster, new coach, new staff. Go Reggie!!!
Plan B is for the world to end in two weeks and put us all out of our misery.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:23 am
944…lol…but man that takes some cajones to lose on purpose…
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:23 am
Omar Gaither reminded me of Curry… without the personal fouls. I was glad to see some effort out there by the defense, but the effort made it all the more hard to swallow at how untalented this defense really is. Just sad really.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 am
So this is what the Mayans were talking about
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 am
This is what happens when you blindly pay players more than the deserve, and then you are hands are tied behind your back in one offseason meanwhile every team went out and got them selves a nice shiny toy from FA, then calmly waiting for draft time and got themselves starters in 1st and 2nd round of drafts, while we wait till the 3rd day, did i forget to mention the precious time Mark took to hire Reg and then Reg took to hire DA so DA would have no choice but to hire the only that was available SMH
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
Thank u Chiefs for relinqueshing your stranglehold
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The Chiefs still have the edge over the Raiders in draft pecking order, along with the Jags.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
sorry typing from Iphone don’t mind mistakes &&&^^^^
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 am
So, with DA gone for the week, can you imagine what the Knapp haters will say if we win… LOL. There will be some exploding heads in here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:30 am
I have never been on the fire reggie tip, but if Bill Polian decides to come back next year, he should seriously be considered to replace reggie immediately. This squad needs proven successful people at every level.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:30 am
the bootlickers are here….im out…
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:31 am
I’m envious of the Eagles, who fire coaches and assistants each week.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
Thank u Chiefs for relinqueshing your stranglehold
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The Chiefs still have the edge over the Raiders in draft pecking order, along with the Jags.
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They opened the door, and the Raiders are making a break for it
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 am
I would be Okay with 3rd and 4th, at this point D Moore DE is looking more and more like a top 5 pick, who knows some one could even pick him up at #1 and had we kept on winning this year, this would have hurt us in many ways going into next year, 1. We would have been high over the team and wouldn’t have made many changes, that means we probably could have kept with some of the cash checkers 2. we would have hurt our chances to get a 5 star pass rusher, instead we would have settled with lesser talent
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:30 am
the bootlickers are here….im out…
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??? WHo ?? I know that one of the bootlicker is leaving, al the troll
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 am
We would be way better next year if we could get help at these positions in the offseason..
1. #1 pass rushing DE
2. #1 WR
Crazy that in a passing league we don’t have a beast pass rushers or a beast pass catcher and you guys expecting lombardi trophies?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 am
931, MikieG. Lol.
I like ‘preseason season’. Very fitting and true.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 am
So, with DA gone for the week, can you imagine what the Knapp haters will say if we win… LOL. There will be some exploding heads in here.
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Can you imagine what the Knapp apologists will say? More exploding heads.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 am
We would be way better next year if we could get help at these positions in the offseason..
1. #1 pass rushing DE
2. #1 WR
Crazy that in a passing league we don’t have a beast pass rushers or a beast pass catcher and you guys expecting lombardi trophies?
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I just wanted to beat the Browns, is that too much to ask?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 am
Anybody read the trascript from Reggie’s interview Friday?….. I did. Just curious?
Who thought he said ANYTHING…that was not true?
……. dodging a question OR responsibility?
OR giving weak-sauce clichet’s or coach speak bull crap?
I thought it was a good read. He said the right things I thought, and I expect that heads WILL roll. He’s adamant about waiting till the season is over to do anything, but he doesn’t think the team is “Doing good” or that we’re fine…..
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 am
Just above average players at these positions would be ok
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1. FS – anybody better than Gio
2. CB – anybody better than Bartell
3. MLB – Decent MLB
4. DT – above average pass rusher from the inside
5. RT – anybody better than Barnes, shouldn’t be that hard to find
6. RG – Maybe Berg will take over this position, just don’t see Briesel sticking around after this year
7. C – Could be drafted in 4th rd
8. RB – Above average RB would be good enough if we get our run game going
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:30 am
I have never been on the fire reggie tip, but if Bill Polian decides to come back next year, he should seriously be considered to replace reggie immediately. This squad needs proven successful people at every level.
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Our 2 biggest needs are replacing the players and an experienced GM. Reggie being over his head is catastrophic for the future
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 am
Can you imagine what the Knapp apologists will say? More exploding heads.
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I believe ‘Knapp apologists’ are like Unicorns… only North Korea believes they exist, but no one has ever seen a real one.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 am
We would be way better next year if we could get help at these positions in the offseason..
1. #1 pass rushing DE
2. #1 WR
Crazy that in a passing league we don’t have a beast pass rushers or a beast pass catcher and you guys expecting lombardi trophies?
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I just wanted to beat the Browns, is that too much to ask?
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Yes that’s too much to ask when you have one of the worst pass rushing in the league and you got banged up secondary, reminded me of week 17 game from last year, the way guys were running free all day and catching passes for 20+ yard gains
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 am
SMH anyone actually thinks there are Knapp apologists
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:46 am
I just wanted to beat the Browns, is that too much to ask?
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Yes that’s too much to ask when you have one of the worst pass rushing in the league and you got banged up secondary, reminded me of week 17 game from last year, the way guys were running free all day and catching passes for 20+ yard gains
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If beating the Cleveland Browns at home is too much, then i guess i need to lower my standards. I bet you think homeless hookers are still beautiful as long as they have 65% of their teeth.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:46 am
The Panthers, in particular, have been a factor in the race for the first pick. By beating Philadelphia last week and then losing to Kansas City this week, Carolina tightened things up considerably in the Top 5 of the draft order (which is to say the Bottom 5 of the standings). The Panthers also have a game remaining against the Raiders, and the Raiders also have a game coming up against the Chiefs, so those are the biggest games to watch if you want to see how the top of the draft order will look in April.
-PFT
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:46 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/03/chiefs-jaguars-panthers-raiders-eagles-vying-for-first-overall-pick/
And yet another one of these articles, great
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:47 am
Nonexistent unicorns > Knapp
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
All this talk about Reggie being in “Over his head” and how imcompitent Reggie is…..Are you Fuc*in’ serious? this reminds me of something……
When people say crap to the police like “Hey, shouldn’t you be arresting all the theives and rapists out there instead of pulling me over for my bad tail light?
That person obviously doesn’t have a Gawd Damned clue what’s involved in a Police Officers job or what his typical day consists of. They’re just bitc*ing to bitc*. Like alot of the posts I read in here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:46 am
I just wanted to beat the Browns, is that too much to ask?
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Yes that’s too much to ask when you have one of the worst pass rushing in the league and you got banged up secondary, reminded me of week 17 game from last year, the way guys were running free all day and catching passes for 20+ yard gains
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If beating the Cleveland Browns at home is too much, then i guess i need to lower my standards. I bet you think homeless hookers are still beautiful as long as they have 65% of their teeth.
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Cleveland has been better team than us , they have been staying close against good teams and just came off of beating Pitts last week, don’t be fooled by their record, they’re an up and coming team, we lose to any team that can just call play on any down, and our Dline can’t get to the QB, explain to me how exactly were we supposed to win? If you can’t get to the qb
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 am
you guys like bjoern werner with the first pick?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 am
Reggie i can wait to criticize until after this season if major changes don’t happen. He’s not off to a good start but it can be corrected. Dennis Allen and Co. however continue to chug along, dead set in their horrible ways.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:51 am
These guys don’t know anything, they need to put down their Madden13s and look at things realistically and rationally
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
All this talk about Reggie being in “Over his head” and how imcompitent Reggie is…..Are you Fuc*in’ serious? this reminds me of something……
When people say crap to the police like “Hey, shouldn’t you be arresting all the theives and rapists out there instead of pulling me over for my bad tail light?
That person obviously doesn’t have a Gawd Damned clue what’s involved in a Police Officers job or what his typical day consists of. They’re just bitc*ing to bitc*. Like alot of the posts I read in here.
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and you know reggie is doing a good job because ur a current gm..this blog is for opinions not a network for nfl gms..
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am
DA can’t really go back and change the O.Co and he can’t really do much about the O cuz he’s a Defensive coach, only thing he can do is get a new OC in offseason , and get some pass rushers, all schemes are exposed when you can’t get to qb’s
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am
#971 – excellent post, Theghostronin79.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am
I don’t know how fans just don’t understand that in passing league you need pass rush to become a successful D, gone are the D’s where cornerbacks could maul receivers at the line of scrimmage, everything is now designed to help passing games, and you guys think D scheme s8cks because the players can’t get to the qb? smh, how about there isn’t a player on the roster to get to the QB? why is that hard for you guys to comprehend?
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am
I guess i feel better now that you pointed out we’re worse than the Browns. :/
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
5. RT – anybody better than Barnes, shouldn’t be that hard to find
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It’s probably a lot harder than you think. Several teams have serious OL issues, not just the Raiders. If solid RTs were laying around everywhere, it would already be corrected.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
All this talk about Reggie being in “Over his head” and how imcompitent Reggie is…..Are you Fuc*in’ serious? this reminds me of something……
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They want to Schit can the GM after less than 1 year, but Knapp is safe in their book. Lol!
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Nycraider Says:
..this blog is for opinions not a network for nfl gms..
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And that’s what he did – expressed his opinion that your opinion sucks.
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Players make schemes click , not the other way around, especially when it comes to D side, if a qb is sitting there and have all time , then you’re effed no matter how awesome ur scheme is
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
lmao…on cue…the stupidity from mcxcuse20 continues…he was a knapp apologist from the begining…lmao
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:59 am
Reggie i can wait to criticize until after this season if major changes don’t happen. He’s not off to a good start but it can be corrected. Dennis Allen and Co. however continue to chug along, dead set in their horrible ways.
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And you almost have to look at the thing like this….
OC, and DC to be graded based on the quality and utilization of the players……Drives sustaining, players in best position to make plays / to their strenghts and whatnot.
Coach DA to be graded on Teams Effort, spirit, competitiveness, and commmand..
Things weren’t looking good for DA for a stretch there….But what I’m seeing now, is DA making some command choices, : Suspending Romac, benching Dmoore (Both of which NEEDED to happen). It also appears that the team is fighting, which bodes well for Allen.
My opinion don’t mean squat, but still, I think we gotta look at the coordinators before anything. Not necessarily just dump the entire staff right now.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:47 am
Nonexistent unicorns > Knapp
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am
I guess i feel better now that you pointed out we’re worse than the Browns. :/
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Why is it hard to comprehend that if you got no pass rush you won’t beat any one? on top of that we had backups to backs up playing in secondary
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Hey Banana, honestly, I read ALOT of posts in here, and I don’t really think any swingin crank in this joint is behind Knapp. I really don’t, nor am I.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 am
FIREREGGIENOW!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
lmao…on cue…the stupidity from mcxcuse20 continues…he was a knapp apologist from the begining…lmao
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I wasn’t knapp apologist , i wanted to give the team a chance on the O side before judging what’s wrong, I told you guys everyone needs to be better on O side starting with OC, but i have been greatly disappointed not just knapp but in everyone, especially our receivers, they give Palmer no chance,so many drive killing blunders
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 am
I don’t think Hue was a great OC like most of you guys think he was , 22 PPG = we were ranked in 16th, but i miss his play calling though, i mean there’s not much he could have done with the pass game but atleast he was little bit predictable and sticks with the running game when it’s not working
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
especially our receivers,
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There’s your mistake. If you criticize players at all, you are automatically a Knapp-apologist. LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
The Raiders will go 0-16 next season if Mark doesn’t fire Reggie.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
That’s not to say we would have eventually been awesome team if Hue was here, just saying we could have won a few more games but like proven last year and proven this year our D just s8cks we will never beat good teams until we get players who can get to QB’s
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Players make schemes click
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What does that mean?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:06 am
especially our receivers, they give Palmer no chance,so many drive killing blunders
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So far I think Dmoore has been the biggest disappointment in that department. DHB has been solid with his characteristic dropsies at bad times. But the young guys are looking promising, Streater and Criner…. Now, we should have a good 4 game stretch to really see what they can do. It’d be smart to get Ausburry involved too. He’s been a ghost since Myers has been delivering.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
mcxcuse…8/10 posters on here knew it was going to be bad with krapp…you were one of those two…and pass rush? what good is a pass rush when the qb can release it on his third step to a wide open zone? of course theres no pass rush, qbs can get it out of their hands quickly against zones…
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
especially our receivers,
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There’s your mistake. If you criticize players at all, you are automatically a Knapp-apologist. LOL
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LOL yeah i guess it’s all Knapps fault players dropped so many passes, knapps fault Palmer threw that int, actually that was all on Knapp, he needs to keep Palmer’s passing attempts to less than 35 a game
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
Ghost, then why attack those that want Knapp gone? I admit, I gave Knapp the benefit of the doubt before the season, against my better judgement. But schit, call a spade a spade. The guy stinks. Why not let people voice their frustrations on Knapp? Why go after ‘Knapp haters’?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Time to wipe them eye boogers this morn
What up Green party!?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Players make schemes click
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
What does that mean?
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What that means is if we had pass rushers who could get to qb’s, our D scheme would look way better, but it looks horrible because we don’t have any1 on the Dline , to even get near qb’s even on obvious passing downs like 3rd and 18
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am
981.RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
5. RT – anybody better than Barnes, shouldn’t be that hard to find
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It’s probably a lot harder than you think. Several teams have serious OL issues, not just the Raiders. If solid RTs were laying around everywhere, it would already be corrected.
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Also, remember we are now a ZBS scheme…cannot just plug in lineman, they have to learn the syncronized (sic) dance routine…
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:10 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am
I don’t know how fans just don’t understand that in passing league you need pass rush to become a successful D, gone are the D’s where cornerbacks could maul receivers at the line of scrimmage, everything is now designed to help passing games, and you guys think D scheme s8cks because the players can’t get to the qb? smh, how about there isn’t a player on the roster to get to the QB? why is that hard for you guys to comprehend?
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We understand all of that, we watch what happens to our pass only offense
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:11 am
Berg was a RT in college? Maybe he might improve in offseason and take over RT job, btw Barnes did way better job than Smith
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:11 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 am
I don’t think Hue was a great OC like most of you guys think he was , 22 PPG = we were ranked in 16th, but i miss his play calling though, i mean there’s not much he could have done with the pass game but atleast he was little bit predictable and sticks with the running game when it’s not working
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There, was that so hard? There will be better options out there this offseason for OC. Time to schit-can Knapp.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
1002.mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Players make schemes click
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What does that mean?
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What that means is if we had pass rushers who could get to qb’s, our D scheme would look way better, but it looks horrible because we don’t have any1 on the Dline , to even get near qb’s even on obvious passing downs like 3rd and 18
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Isn’t that on coaching? Like Beli-cheat does? He fits the team to the talent and skills on the team?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
Theghostronin79 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Hey Banana, honestly, I read ALOT of posts in here, and I don’t really think any swingin crank in this joint is behind Knapp. I really don’t, nor am I.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I can name a few
- Riff (he Said he thinks Knapp is doing a good job and play calling is not the problem)
- JFB (said Knapp called a good enough game to win) he also predicted 30+ points from Knapp’s offense
- McFadden
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
For the Browns, it snapped a 12-game road losing streak that began last Oct. 16 wit a 24-17 loss to the Raiders at the Coliseum.
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Like I’ve been saying. Our coaching staff is pathetic!!!
We can’t even beat the schit stains in our house?!
Take a look at Jeff Fisher and the Rams….
The Rams clearly aren’t and talented as the Whiners, but they somehow found a way to tie them the 1st time they played and now they actually beat them the 2nd time.
ITS CALLED GOOD COACHING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC -Romeo
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
I’m just saying I haven’t noticed anybody “Backing up” Knapp…I don’t think there’s hardly anybody who thinks we should keep the guy. I’m with you in that I gave him a chance at the beginning of the year and I’m less than impressed with his scheme, but on the flip side, we may have scored more points if guys would make the plays that were there to make but didn’t. So in the end I think it’s both scheme and individual execution that isn’t happening. There’s entirely too many problems on this team to pin anything on any one man.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:13 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Time to wipe them eye boogers this morn
What up Green party!?
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Well then…….
FK u guys 2 on this beautiful chilly morning in the OAK
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Reggie assembled a horrible staff. Then followed it up with a horrible off season of bad signings and a horrible draft.
The Raiders will go 0-16 next year if Reggie isn’t fired immediately.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Running game has picked up some what in last few games, SMH at the play calling, Knapp get your head out of your ass , Palmer Pass attempts should never exceed 35 unless we go into OT, you got to keep running, It also doesn’t just keep Palmers arm fresh but it also keeps D’s guessing
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:15 am
Hue was creative enough to help out a weak O-line by having them attack in the running game, misdirection runs and screens. That way when they did have to drop back in traditional protections, they had some element of surprise and could hold up pretty decently. He was not a great coach but for all the lack of talent most of you love to point out, he did get alot out of them.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:16 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Players make schemes click
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What does that mean?
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What that means is if we had pass rushers who could get to qb’s, our D scheme would look way better, but it looks horrible because we don’t have any1 on the Dline , to even get near qb’s even on obvious passing downs like 3rd and 18
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Good coaches find ways to get it done. This staff lacks creativity.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:16 am
Reggie assembled a horrible staff.
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WRONG!
Reggie picked DA.
DA hand picked his pathetic staff!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:18 am
Hue was creative enough to help out a weak O-line by having them attack in the running game, misdirection runs and screens. That way when they did have to drop back in traditional protections, they had some element of surprise and could hold up pretty decently. He was not a great coach but for all the lack of talent most of you love to point out, he did get alot out of them.
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He DID play to player strengths and put them in the best position to win. I also thought he was unpredictable, and aggressive. Basically the opposite of Knapp. It almost seems like we have the same call sheet no matter who we play.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:18 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
1002.mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Players make schemes click
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What does that mean?
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What that means is if we had pass rushers who could get to qb’s, our D scheme would look way better, but it looks horrible because we don’t have any1 on the Dline , to even get near qb’s even on obvious passing downs like 3rd and 18
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Isn’t that on coaching? Like Beli-cheat does? He fits the team to the talent and skills on the team?
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Beli-cheat does what? You want to compare this team to belicheat? the guy had losing years until he finally found a way to coach , plus they have real Gm not like AL who would just draft anyone based on 40 time and stick em out of position in his 70s scheme? Mcclain was 3-4 Lb, how can the new coaching staff come in and change to 3-4 when there wasn’t a Nt or outside pass rushers? like seriously if you were the coach, what would you do ?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:18 am
Reggie is the GM. He is accountable for all of the coaching hires.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 am
Eagles fired their DL coach.
We should fire Knapp!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
1020…reggie did ok those hires….
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
Sorry creativity doesn’t improve pass rush, all the stunts and stuff only work when you have NYG Dline, it ain’t working with these players
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
So reggie had they option of letting seymour go , saving 7.5 million off the cap. he instead keeps him , but worse gives him a new contract that when seymour is cut next year he hits our cap by 5.5 million. He then surprisingly franchises Branch and then gives him a long term contract. Palmers restructured contract call for 15 mill next year which i believe is 100% guaranteed. Reggie brings in Briesel, one of the worst signings in the NFL this year and when he’s cut next year it hits our cap by 2.7 mill. Forget about all the other whiffs like our secondary, or maybe him cutting pat lee who is by far better than 3 of our current cBS.
Reggie actions have not resembled a gm on the rise. make all the excuses you want , but the above is an not just an opinion its a sad fact. 2012 the year of the excuse for all you reggie lovers, 2013 no excuses
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
we have no edge rusher, but we aren’t the only team that doesn’t have an edge rusher. you blitz lb’s corners safeties which peyton manning will pick apart but weeden, dalton, tannehill?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Reggie has shown a pattern of poor decision making.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 am
Good morning Mr. Prez and eff you too sir!
Vote green in 2016!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 am
I know they will get a better O.co next year but our season will still depend on the D side, I’m all for signing Det DE and Drafting a stud DE in first rd
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:23 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
we have no edge rusher, but we aren’t the only team that doesn’t have an edge rusher. you blitz lb’s corners safeties which peyton manning will pick apart but weeden, dalton, tannehill?
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they will only work if you do it once in a while , and if you haven’t been noticing, we do all kinda stuff, but they get picked off
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:23 am
I like what the Eagles have done, they blamed both player and Coach and got rid of Babin and Washburn
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 am
cant rush the passer when the qb throws to a wide open zone on his third dropback step…smh at these guys…
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
Sorry creativity doesn’t improve pass rush, all the stunts and stuff only work when you have NYG Dline, it ain’t working with these players
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Inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
we have no edge rusher, but we aren’t the only team that doesn’t have an edge rusher. you blitz lb’s corners safeties which peyton manning will pick apart but weeden, dalton, tannehill?
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Exactly. Creativity!
McFadden, I’m curious dude, when did you start watching football?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:26 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
He fits the team to the talent and skills on the team?
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I have a hard time believing that. I don’t watch very many Pats games, but somehow I find it difficult to believe that Bill is constantly changing schemes to fit his personnel’s skills. I think Bill picks players that he believes will fit in well with his system. If they don’t work out, he cuts or trades them.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:26 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
Sorry creativity doesn’t improve pass rush, all the stunts and stuff only work when you have NYG Dline, it ain’t working with these players
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Inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
we have no edge rusher, but we aren’t the only team that doesn’t have an edge rusher. you blitz lb’s corners safeties which peyton manning will pick apart but weeden, dalton, tannehill?
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Exactly. Creativity!
McFadden, I’m curious dude, when did you start watching football?
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2000
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 am
Why can’t we compare these Raiders to when we play Madden 13? When I get down 3 points in Madden, i abandon the run too.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 am
Rams beat Whiners…
Thats good coaching!!!!!!
FK continuity!!!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:28 am
Creativity is ok once in awhile to send a surprise blitz here and there, but did NYG beat pats by surprise blitzes? nope, they simply just beat their guys in front of them with natural pressure
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 am
0-16
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 am
Now here we go with comparing to teams, which had cap space to sign talented players and had draft picks, or had players drafted by previous gm to play in right scheme
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 am
reggie destroyed this team…then ate a donut…
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 am
Rams beat Whiners…
Thats good coaching!!!!!!
FK continuity!!!!!
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The only positive from this week was to watch both Hardbaughs lose
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am
Al_is_theraiders , the team was already destroyed by AL since 2003, what are you smoking bro?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am
they will only work if you do it once in a while , and if you haven’t been noticing, we do all kinda stuff, but they get picked off
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what edge rusher does cleveland have?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 am
bartell, spencer, briesel, bergstrom, burris, adams, lee, hanson, lmao…
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am
they will only work if you do it once in a while , and if you haven’t been noticing, we do all kinda stuff, but they get picked off
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what edge rusher does cleveland have?
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Kalif Barnes
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
McFadden,
Good year to start watching. We had a good run for a few years. lol
Good coaches find ways to make chicken salad out of chicken crap. That’s creativity.
-An offense running the wildcat because they don’t have a good QB (Miami)
-Running the option because your QB is actually a FB pretending to be a QB (Denver)
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am
they will only work if you do it once in a while , and if you haven’t been noticing, we do all kinda stuff, but they get picked off
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what edge rusher does cleveland have?
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I’m not trying to compare us to them but generally talking about beating good teams, we ain’t going to do that, when you can’t get to QBs in crunch time, heck they s8ck too, only reason they won is because our OC is stupid as f8k and kept calling pass plays , when the running game was working
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Boy I hate the donks, I just hope Raiders don’t get killed too bad, I have donkey friends and I’ll never hear the end of it. I really don’t see the donks going far in the playoffs, well I hope NOT!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 am
bartell, spencer, briesel, bergstrom, burris, adams, lee, hanson, lmao…
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You do realize the guys they replaced aren’t in the NFL right?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 am
I’m not trying to compare us to them but generally talking about beating good teams, we ain’t going to do that, when you can’t get to QBs in crunch time, heck they s8ck too, only reason they won is because our OC is stupid as f8k and kept calling pass plays , when the running game was working
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if our oc is as bad as you say, wouldn’t a good hc begin to start calling plays himself or even promote someone else to call plays such as al saunders, cable did it?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
GoooRaiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Boy I hate the donks, I just hope Raiders don’t get killed too bad, I have donkey friends and I’ll never hear the end of it. I really don’t see the donks going far in the playoffs, well I hope NOT!
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i think they’ll be in the superbowl sadly
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
you do realize we are looking straight at 3-13….right?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
McFadden,
Good year to start watching. We had a good run for a few years. lol
Good coaches find ways to make chicken salad out of chicken crap. That’s creativity.
-An offense running the wildcat because they don’t have a good QB (Miami)
-Running the option because your QB is actually a FB pretending to be a QB (Denver)
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Yes, but tell me again how many points did Tebow put up? I’m not even talking about O side, i know Knapp s8cks, and yeah def we could do a lot better but what I’m trying to say is we will still lose to good teams when our Dline can’t get to qb’s with natural pass rush
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 am
Shaw keeps coming up in here, but would he want the job knowing that he better come firing out of the gate? Well, anything can be done and I have seen a few surprises in my lifetime…if Reggie can lure Shaw in here after his father got canned in 2000, or when ever it was, then I am all for it!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 am
I’m not trying to compare us to them but generally talking about beating good teams, we ain’t going to do that, when you can’t get to QBs in crunch time, heck they s8ck too, only reason they won is because our OC is stupid as f8k and kept calling pass plays , when the running game was working
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if our oc is as bad as you say, wouldn’t a good hc begin to start calling plays himself or even promote someone else to call plays such as al saunders, cable did it?
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Head coach is not offensive minded, he will get a better OC , he should i’ll give him pass on that hiring this year, all D guys make mistakes with hiring good O.co
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am
they will only work if you do it once in a while , and if you haven’t been noticing, we do all kinda stuff, but they get picked off
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what edge rusher does cleveland have?
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Kalif Barnes
LOL…almost splattered my screen with coffee!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
GoooRaiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Boy I hate the donks, I just hope Raiders don’t get killed too bad, I have donkey friends and I’ll never hear the end of it. I really don’t see the donks going far in the playoffs, well I hope NOT!
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i think they’ll be in the superbowl sadly
Well, they lost to two teams that are in front of them in the standings…NE and Houston! So hopefully they won’t get there either!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:40 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
you do realize we are looking straight at 3-13….right?
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You do realize we went 2-14 in 06 and #1 pick we got in result was used on who’s widely considered the biggest bust ever in the NFL (J Russell, which set ourselves back a few years
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:43 am
Anyways i’ll let you guys talk about irrelevant stuff
2013 is the year we get beast pass rushers and #1 Receiver
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:44 am
You do realize we went 2-14 in 06 and #1 pick we got in result was used on who’s widely considered the biggest bust ever in the NFL (J Russell, which set ourselves back a few years
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So what’s gonna be the play? Trade our 1st for more picks? We need LOTS of upgrades, is there anyone we CAN’T miss on in the top 5 that’s gonna be worth skipping the 2nd round for?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am
“Allen always talks about being accountable, and at some point, he’s going to find out that being accountable results in being accountable.”-sf gate
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am
“Allen always talks about being accountable, and at some point, he’s going to find out that being accountable results in being accountable.”-sf gate article
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Offense will certainly look different next year.
Can’t imagine the same OC being here next year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:48 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 am
Shaw keeps coming up in here, but would he want the job knowing that he better come firing out of the gate? Well, anything can be done and I have seen a few surprises in my lifetime…if Reggie can lure Shaw in here after his father got canned in 2000, or when ever it was, then I am all for it!!!
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4 games left to see if we show progress/improvement. I actually like many of da’s moves (mcclain situation, huff to corner, add power blocking, more streater/criner etc) but if shaw is what i think he is, those guys don’t come around often. new regime, so hopefully it’s water under the bridge regarding his fathers treatment. The shaws are still Raiders for life, you gotta go after him, jim mora jr is not a bad backup plan, gruden isn’t either
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:49 am
That is true!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 am
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Offense will certainly look different next year.
Can’t imagine the same OC being here next year.
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Oh I doubt it. I expect Knapp and Tarver probably gone, not to mention all “Non-hackers” on the team. I wouldn’t be surprised to see DMo 17 on the block. He’ll probably stay but, he’s definately blown this year. I think the whole roster will be drastically different….
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:52 am
With this group the best O.co would get our team to 25 PPG max if Healthy Mcfadden , could jump to around 28-30 range if we get a #1 Receiver, but it wouldn’t matter anyways until we get to good QB’s because they will simply just drop 40 points on us, now I’m not saying we should neglect the O side in offseason , just saying the D should be the priority, 25-30 PPG game would be good enough with above average D, not with horrible pass D
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:53 am
Soemtimes you only get 1 shot at being a HC in the NFL.
Just ask Hue and company.
DA may be a better than coach than most believe, but he fked this team up by hiring a horrible coaching staff.
He must go 2!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 am
With the same D group , we need an O that will drop 40+ a game , and that’s not happening , not even NO and other good passing teams can drop that many points week in and week out
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Bartell and Spencer were supposed to be 1 year stop gaps. Unfortunately, they haven’t worked out. They were both gambles. Pretty much all the free agent signings, with the exception of Brisiel, were guys who Reggie took a chance on to see if they could play. He couldn’t do much else with the cap space.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:55 am
Accountability???
Sure.
U get rid of Mcjogger, but still have Knappy around??
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:56 am
25 ppg on O with this D is good enough to beat the likes of cleveland browns,KC chiefs and other bottom 15 teams in the league, which was possible if Palmer hadn’t thrown the int, but it’s not good enough against good O’s with this D
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:57 am
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Yes, but tell me again how many points did Tebow put up? I’m not even talking about O side, i know Knapp s8cks, and yeah def we could do a lot better but what I’m trying to say is we will still lose to good teams when our Dline can’t get to qb’s with natural pass rush
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Dude….. We are losing to bad teams
Browns = bad team!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:57 am
I was hoping Bartell had something left in the tank, but it is clear that he has seriously lost a step.
I don’t expect him to return next year.
It’ll be interesting to see if they bring back Spencer, who IMO was playing good before going down.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:55 am
Accountability???
Sure.
U get rid of Mcjogger, but still have Knappy around??
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I think lots of peoples days are numbered. The offseason is so long, and the season a grind….We’ve got a measly 4 weeks left. I think Reggie is content to ride out the season, and then light the bonfire and start chucking sh*t in it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 am
Some blame the coaches.
Some blame the players.
Thats fine, but what I don’t understand is…
How do you cut players and not fire coaches????
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 am
Think about Peyton Manning V.s. The Raider Defense Thursday night….
I may start drinking at Noon…..
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am
I only want to see Knapp gone. I mean if Mcfadden looks good in 1 scheme and looks like the worst RB in other scheme, isn’t it the same thing happening to Tarver he simply got no freaking pass rushers? on top of that secondary players are dropping like flies, don’t you guys think his scheme would look awesome if we had likes of V Miller or pitts linebackers rushing from the edge?
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am
It’ll be interesting to see if they bring back Spencer, who IMO was playing good before going down.
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I thought so too, surprisingly…Nobody, including myself expected squat outta that guy when he was signed. He was nothing short of solid before getting hurt.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 am
shaw or mora jr for 2013. Da needs to give Pryor PLENTY of run these last 4 and if we’re lucky he impresses so we can cut palmer giving us some more dough to work with
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 am
I guess it was Jay Glazer who reported what McClain said.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:57 am
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Yes, but tell me again how many points did Tebow put up? I’m not even talking about O side, i know Knapp s8cks, and yeah def we could do a lot better but what I’m trying to say is we will still lose to good teams when our Dline can’t get to qb’s with natural pass rush
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Dude….. We are losing to bad teams
Browns = bad team!!!
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Sorry for the repost
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
For the Browns, it snapped a 12-game road losing streak that began last Oct. 16 wit a 24-17 loss to the Raiders at the Coliseum.
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Like I’ve been saying. Our coaching staff is pathetic!!!
We can’t even beat the schit stains in our house?!
Take a look at Jeff Fisher and the Rams….
The Rams clearly aren’t and talented as the Whiners, but they somehow found a way to tie them the 1st time they played and now they actually beat them the 2nd time.
ITS CALLED GOOD COACHING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC -Romeo
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 am
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@BVJ1981 It was “I have 4 f**kin million reasons why not to try hard” & told Allen fu.
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December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am
How do you cut players and not fire coaches????
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I think Romac was getting the ax regardless…They were gonna wait till the end like the are every other move that’s gonna happen.
Romac just sped up the process and forced their hand with “whatever antics” he displayed at practice.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am
fingers Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 am
Think about Peyton Manning V.s. The Raider Defense Thursday night….
I may start drinking at Noon…..
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I’ve already started to ease the pain brother.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:57 am
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Yes, but tell me again how many points did Tebow put up? I’m not even talking about O side, i know Knapp s8cks, and yeah def we could do a lot better but what I’m trying to say is we will still lose to good teams when our Dline can’t get to qb’s with natural pass rush
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Dude….. We are losing to bad teams
Browns = bad team!!!
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Does it matter who we lose to now? we are around the same with Browns, those games are always 50/50 but I’m talking about beating good teams, you got pass rush = you got chance against any team, no pass rush = no change against good passing O’s , 50/50 against same competition
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 am
Shaw!!!!
Shaw!!!
Shaw!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 am
I wish they would announce Pryor was starting Thursday to take the focus off the trainwreck we’ve become and place it on the hope and promise of Pryor instead.
Not looking forward to seeing Deion, Irvin,Faulk, Eisen and Mooch laughing at and about us.
And the fact I have to be concerned about that makes me mad at DA and Reggie…heck throw Mark in there too.
Fair or not…i don’t like my Raiders being a joke.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am
It’ll be interesting to see if they bring back Spencer, who IMO was playing good before going down.
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I thought so too, surprisingly…Nobody, including myself expected squat outta that guy when he was signed. He was nothing short of solid before getting hurt.
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Me too. I thought he would be garbage. He surprise the hell outta me.
Spencer > Bartell
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am
I wonder if DA`s dad is really ill or maybe he just cant take the hard boiled, tough as nails, incredibly hard questioning from the local marshmellows like Steve and Jerry and Paul at todays presser. If those three worked in NY,..well they would be out of work. Yes, Im severely hungover.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am
I’m giving Reggie till the end of next season to make up my mind…
Wanna see how he handles a full off season and who he cuts/ fires / hires….
I’m not Impressed with Allen at all… Knapp needs to go and Tarver needs to go…and take Hoffman with him…..this team needs a lot….
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am
Mc20,
You have to understand how a good offense helps a defense.
Time of possesion.
Scoring.
If we had on offense that could put up 25-28 pts a game, NO QUESTION that would translate defensively.
I do whole heartedley agree that we need at least 6 new starters on defense. But Tarver needs to step his “chess game” up too.
Stop blitzing so much on 3rd down!!!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 am
theghostronin79 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am
How do you cut players and not fire coaches????
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I think Romac was getting the ax regardless…They were gonna wait till the end like the are every other move that’s gonna happen.
Romac just sped up the process and forced their hand with “whatever antics” he displayed at practice.
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I mean other players as well, not just Mcjogger.
Lee?? and others
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 am
975.mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 8:51 am
These guys don’t know anything, they need to put down their Madden13s and look at things realistically and rationally
Oh,so maybe they have predicted playoffs this year like you huh?Or maybe they should have said how great Reggie was going to make this team like you huh?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am
Donkeys are gonna start fast and Peyton will be relaxing by half time.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am
Mc20,
You have to understand how a good offense helps a defense.
Time of possesion.
Scoring.
If we had on offense that could put up 25-28 pts a game, NO QUESTION that would translate defensively.
I do whole heartedley agree that we need at least 6 new starters on defense. But Tarver needs to step his “chess game” up too.
Stop blitzing so much on 3rd down!!!!!
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you realize that we can’t even get to qb’s on even 3rd and 18s with natural pass rush? he’s effed either way blitz or not , btw that time of possession is over-rated, lots of teams that have good D aren’t even top scoring teams in the league
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am
Thats what I thought,hush now snapperhead!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am
you think jerry and cork asked hard questions of DA? wait till they fet a load if smiling krapp…lmao
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 am
Some blame the coaches.
Some blame the players.
Thats fine, but what I don’t understand is…
How do you cut players and not fire coaches????
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Players don’t have the All Access Pass like the coaches do. Well not all players, apparently Brisel and the rest of the new FA’s have the same pass
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 am
So we cut guys like Lee for missing tackles, but we hang onto coaches like Knapp?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 am
Reggie is here for three years at least.
DA is likely here for a few years as well.
Good luck finding anyone to take the job if DA is fired.
So DA can come or go, same with other coaches.
Theres only one thing that will make me jump ship.
If Reggie fires DA and waits till TC is about to start to find a coach desperate enough to take the job.
If he fires DA he better have a coach on wheels ready to go
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am
I’m wondering if our D will make even one stop Thursday night……. And how do ya game plan for Manning?…just send all the troops and hope for the best?…
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am
Raiders Super Bowl champions in 2014. Don’t know what players we’ll have but I know who we WON’T have: Palmer and McFadden!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am
Manning works fast… I can’t see our D having any answer…gawd I wish I was wrong…
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am
I’ve never bet against my beloved Raiders, but I’m seriously thing about it for Thursdays game.
2 bad the season has come down to this.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am
fingers Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:10 am
I’m wondering if our D will make even one stop Thursday night……. And how do ya game plan for Manning?…just send all the troops and hope for the best?…
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Raiders will make plenty of stops. Kelly will stop mid play to catch his breath.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am
I’m definitively starting Manning this week in fantasy football.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am
Reggie is going to get the Raiders their 4th Lombardi trophy in 2014, and the only players on the current team that will be on the podium with him will be Streater, Reece, Goodson, and Burris.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am
“I have 4 f**kin million reasons why not to try hard” & told Allen fu.
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This is just a mess.
To essentially have 55 playing a lame duck season when EVERYONE knew/knows he wasn’t going to get that $ next season???
This isn’t really surprising that he took the FU attitude towards the people who essentially told him FU first, lol.
Should’ve cut or traded 55 this past offseason.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Someone on the team needs to help US w/ our pain and deliver the career ending blow to PM’s neck!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am
I’ve never bet against my beloved Raiders, but I’m seriously thing about it for Thursdays game.
2 bad the season has come down to this.
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Now that’s unnacceptable. Too low
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
The only time Burris look remotely decent is rushing the passer.
He stinks at everything else, imo.
But people LOVE this kid, lol.
What am I missing?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
What can this staff point to any say we’ve improved in?
….Crickets….
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am
fingers Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 am
Think about Peyton Manning V.s. The Raider Defense Thursday night….
I may start drinking at Noon…..
LOL, I will! All the way to game time!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Someone on the team needs to help US w/ our pain and deliver the career ending blow to PM’s neck!
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Much better, well done
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am
Palmer has heart, makes an occasional poor pass,..DMC is a gutless, heartless fraud. Hes not hurt now nor was he last year. If Reg could have gotten a 5th rounder outta Jerry for him he would be a Cowboy today.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
I don’t know why you guys are proud of beating weak competition last year or would have made any different if yesterdays results were different, it would have only hurt our draft status, this year was the year of rebuilding, we couldn’t do many things other teams were able to do, (cap situation, draft,horrible contract situations, players draft by previous GM and playing out of places, no Depth) but this offseason would be a lot better, I know i expected them to better this year just cuz i drink kool-aid in every offseason but that doesn’t mean I’m blind like most of you in here (al,the troll and reggie hater) and keep on worshipping last year, and fail to look at our team realistically now
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am
I’ve never bet against my beloved Raiders, but I’m seriously thing about it for Thursdays game.
2 bad the season has come down to this.
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Now that’s unnacceptable. Too low
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I know man, but Christmas is nearing and I could use the extra cash.
lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
burris is reggies guy thats why they give him passes…
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
1105..you’re problably right…. He can catch his breath when the Refs flag him for one of his stupid penalties
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
2012 the year of the excuse, 2013 there are no excuses
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
Frankenpeyton could probably drop back with a football in one hand and a bowl of cereal im the other and still whip us
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 am
DA scored some points yesterday by benching Moore and Bartell.
I liked that.
Playing Ross at S.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 am
Two words Wrap-up.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 am
MarcusAllen Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
What can this staff point to any say we’ve improved in?
….Crickets….
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They’ve turn Taiwan Jones into an excellent special teamer
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 am
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:17 am
DA scored some points yesterday by benching Moore and Bartell.
I liked that.
Playing Ross at S.
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2 late for that
DA must go
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 am
We have a GM system, meaning GM was hired first. Like Green Bay. All started with Ron Wolf. Everyone there today was either hired by Wolf, or hired by someone who themselves were hired by Wolf. Don’t expect your Jon Gruden type of head coach in this system. Look at McCarthy, you don’t see him getting all crazy with the antics and stuff. He’s stoic. He has the players, and his job is to put them in a position to win. Allen doesn’t yet have the players. Wait till we get rid of the dead wood and get our franchise QB like Rodgers. It’s on. SB champions 2014. Print it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
burris is reggies guy thats why they give him passes…
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Burris is a freaking rookie, nobody is giving him any passes, f8k you dumb or something?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 am
MarcusAllen Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
What can this staff point to any say we’ve improved in?
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Overall penalties, however back breaking penalites remain
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 2nd, 2012 at 7:05 pm
the whole team is disinterested…theyve quit on DA…and reggie. cant treat grown men like that….
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Like what?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 am
I’m giving Reggie the benefit of doubt… This team was ( is ) such a disaster that its gonna take time…2 yrs at least …..
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 am
actually special teams is coming around too, now only we had the magical power to convert shaughnessy into J allen , Bryant into JJ Watt and Houston into Julias Peppers than we might be talking
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 am
Bob
Someone accused you of talking to Reggie this weekend. Hard to believe you spoke with him and didn’t put your boot in his arse.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 am
On the plus side, with the elimination of Man Coverage, we no longer get flagged for PI penalties. Helps when no defender is in the area of a WR but then we’re just splitting hairs
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:18 am
MarcusAllen Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
What can this staff point to any say we’ve improved in?
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Overall penalties, however back breaking penalites remain
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Same repeat offenders remain on the team, you can bet Kelly is gone as well
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:21 am
I want to see some accountability on our coaching staff, not just the players!!!!!!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:21 am
“Raiders will make plenty of stops. Kelly will stop mid play to catch his breath.”
And DA will call time out that will stop the clock at some point during the game not to mention that our offense will STOP itself from scoring at least twice so you see there is a lot of stopping going to happen on Thursday night just NOT the kind of stop you want to see!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:20 am
On the plus side, with the elimination of Man Coverage, we no longer get flagged for PI penalties. Helps when no defender is in the area of a WR but then we’re just splitting hairs
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Good take
+ not having Routt around and missing Barnes for most of the season
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 am
Frankenpeyton?…. Lmaoooo… Love it… Good one..
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 am
Ya I saw and talked to him yesterday. Got some pics with him,..with Mark too…Im on the sidelines again for KC…if you have something you want me to ask them run it by me.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 am
We lost to the schit stains at home.
Thats fk’n sad.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 am
On the plus side we hwould have a top pick and we could be totally overhauled on Dline and become as great as NYG Dline next year, and with knapps O, we look so horrible that we will bring in #1 WR which otherwise we might have not cared about, if Hue and his 22ppg O was here (since you guys all think we’re good at WR, because all we did was run in 11 LOL)
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:25 am
I am rooting for Reggie. Like it or not he is here for a long time. I hope he is as good as Ozzie. There is no reason he cannot do as well.
We will be stuck with his players for the next few years and that’s all the more reason to want him to do well.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:25 am
mcxcuse20 have you had your kool aid yet?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:25 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:23 am
We lost to the schit stains at home.
Thats fk’n sad.
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It’s been argued in here that the Browns are really the Ravens disguised in a 3-8 record.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 am
*4-8
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 am
I got Reggie’s back, but he should also be accountable for hiring DA.
Admit your mistake and fire his ass and bring in someone else.
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 am
Bob, can you ask Reggie if he’s going to keep Palmer?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 am
Tell him PH has his back. Im all in for Reg and any decisions he makes, He is neuvo Al in my book
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:29 am
Norco
Ask Reggie why DA deserved another shot at it next season?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:29 am
No I wont ask him that.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 am
I got Reggie’s back, but he should also be accountable for hiring DA.
Admit your mistake and fire his ass and bring in someone else.
HC – Shaw
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
You know i do like that set up…
Shaw, not sure if he would leave Stanford, but you never know
Norv and Romeo, only if they get fired this season (Norv shoudl be) and would Norv come back here as the OC, considering he was HC before!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
Why not?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
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Rivera says he’s playing kids, for his benefit next year
Posted by Darin Gantt on December 3, 2012, 1:28 PM EST
Ron Rivera AP
Ron Rivera is doing like many coaches who are playing out the string, he’s playing kids.
But the Panthers coach said he’s doing it in preparation for coaching them next year.
Oh, Ron.
“It is about winning, don’t get me wrong, because I intend to win or try to win every one of these games we play,” Rivera said, via Joe Person of the Charlotte Observer. “But at the same time, we’ve got to be able to do it with these young guys. If we don’t play these guys, we’ll go into next season with the same questions.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
Atleast Knapps dumb play calling has oppened you guys eyes, that D-Moore and DHB are not starting caliber we need to hope Streater becomes that #2 next year and get some one like D-BOWE in offseason, I remember few weeks ago everyone said we’re ok in that group, LMAO it only looked good cuz we were so good at running the ball and barely passed
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
I have a feeling Reggie might be losing faith in DA,…I think its possible Reggie tries to hire Shaw.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Just questions that I am asking…
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:29 am
Norco
Ask Reggie why DA deserved another shot at it next season?
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Reggie: “Because next year is a throw away season too. We can’t be expected to really start doing our jobs until 2015 at the least.”
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Weeden had a career day yesterday…. Lots of people do when they play our team…
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Oops, Sorry about that top portion. No idea why it got copied..
Just posting it because I think this nails it..
If we don’t play these guys, we’ll go into next season with the same questions.
Lets see Pryor Allen…what are you waiting for. Im not saying Bench Palmer..but we gotta see what the kids got.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Just questions that I am asking…
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Sorry, that ?? was for Norco
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Actually, instead of Romeo. I wouldn’t mind having Rivera for DC! But then again…if he is no longer HC in Carolina at seasons end!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
DMAC I wont ask any question that would make him instantly walk away. When hes on the sidelines meeting fans theres no talk like that. What I talked to him about was his playing days. He dug that.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
Atleast Knapps dumb play calling has oppened you guys eyes, that D-Moore and DHB are not starting caliber we need to hope Streater becomes that #2 next year and get some one like D-BOWE in offseason, I remember few weeks ago everyone said we’re ok in that group, LMAO it only looked good cuz we were so good at running the ball and barely passed
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You’re goint to crack on DHB and Moore but you think Rod Streater can be a #2? He’s starting out just like Lou Murphy. Great catches here and there, but still can’t really get open.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
DMAC I wont ask any question that would make him instantly walk away. When hes on the sidelines meeting fans theres no talk like that. What I talked to him about was his playing days. He dug that.
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I hear ya
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 am
1155.Jongruden… I got that feeling too when I read his address to the media on Friday…..
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
Atleast Knapps dumb play calling has oppened you guys eyes, that D-Moore and DHB are not starting caliber we need to hope Streater becomes that #2 next year and get some one like D-BOWE in offseason, I remember few weeks ago everyone said we’re ok in that group, LMAO it only looked good cuz we were so good at running the ball and barely passed
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You’re goint to crack on DHB and Moore but you think Rod Streater can be a #2? He’s starting out just like Lou Murphy. Great catches here and there, but still can’t really get open.
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He has the body and build and can def catch balls at their highest points, so i’m just hoping that he can become #2 and we get a #1 , We already seen what DHB and MOORE can do
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
That Allen didn’t have a free pass
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 am
mctroll20 has had his kool aid already…
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 am
This team needs a coach that spits fire … Allen spits cream puffs and puppy’s
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:37 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:30 am
Atleast Knapps dumb play calling has oppened you guys eyes, that D-Moore and DHB are not starting caliber we need to hope Streater becomes that #2 next year and get some one like D-BOWE in offseason, I remember few weeks ago everyone said we’re ok in that group, LMAO it only looked good cuz we were so good at running the ball and barely passed
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You’re goint to crack on DHB and Moore but you think Rod Streater can be a #2? He’s starting out just like Lou Murphy. Great catches here and there, but still can’t really get open.
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He has the body and build and can def catch balls at their highest points, so i’m just hoping that he can become #2 and we get a #1 , We already seen what DHB and MOORE can do
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You’ve seen less than 2 years from Moore and you’re ready to make that decision? You’ve seen less than one year from Streater and you’re ready to make that decision?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Reg would not fire DA, that would send a wrong message, what if the coach next year have bad record as well? fire him too? That def will make the job appealing to good coaches
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Honestly, I think DA is having second thoughts of being a head coach, and Reggie sees it as well,..I would bet they both talked about it, agreed to ride the year out. DA isnt even in Alameda this week, his dad has a cold,…tells you hes already checked out,..he will likely be an asst somewhere next year,…I think all parties agree he isnt a HC.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Reg would not fire DA, that would send a wrong message, what if the coach next year have bad record as well? fire him too? That def will make the job appealing to good coaches
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Get the job done and you won’t get fired.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Reg would not fire DA, that would send a wrong message, what if the coach next year have bad record as well? fire him too? That def will make the job appealing to good coaches
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Should Tom Cable have been kept around for the sake of continuity?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:36 am
mctroll20 has had his kool aid already…
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Yup just like you , i have many years to catch up to get to your level though 7 straight years of 11 losses or more 2003 – 2009
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Reg would not fire DA, that would send a wrong message, what if the coach next year have bad record as well? fire him too? That def will make the job appealing to good coaches
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Get the job done and you won’t get fired.
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Now there’s some accountability
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
Also,..on that flight from Cincy, Mark ripped DA a new one,…I bet DA teared up some, never been lit into like that…on that flight I think he decided to himself he doesnt want to be a head coach.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Reg would not fire DA, that would send a wrong message, what if the coach next year have bad record as well? fire him too? That def will make the job appealing to good coaches
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Should Tom Cable have been kept around for the sake of continuity?
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Yeah ofcourse, the guy had his team playing well late into the season, they played hard for him cuz they liked him as a coach, he should have been kept, Hue should have been kept, DA should be kept
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
When looking for a job myself, i always make sure they don’t fire people who don’t do what their supposed to.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
lmao “lets not fire a guy who
loses because the next guy might not want to come here..” wtf?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Honestly, I think DA is having second thoughts of being a head coach, and Reggie sees it as well,..I would bet they both talked about it, agreed to ride the year out. DA isnt even in Alameda this week, his dad has a cold,…tells you hes already checked out,..he will likely be an asst somewhere next year,…I think all parties agree he isnt a HC.
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Yeah, DA leaving to attend his ill father is def. a head scratcher?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 am
So we got these things to demonstrate how the work is improving
TJ as awesome special teams
Some penalty improvement
Ill throw in QB passing yards (ahem)
Anything else ?
Not looking like there is anything to build on…
Seems like a clean slate approach won’t make anything worse.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 am
What you Reggie and DA supporter don’t understand is the Raiders don’t have to be this bad before they get good.Is there any aspect of this team they can build on?They can’t coach up any players on the roster? What do these coaches on the Raiders get paid for? There are many players on other teams that are not all out athletes but can play to the schemes of a team, like a cover two cornerback. I don’t have clue what DA is going to do with the Raiders defense and what is worst i don’t think he has a clue either.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
http://www.sfgate.com/raiders/ostler/article/Raiders-coaching-seats-could-get-warm-4085783.php?cmpid=twitter
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
lmao “lets not fire a guy who
loses because the next guy might not want to come here..” wtf?
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Well in his defense, Everyone in the NFL wants Andy Reid type job security.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
Also,..on that flight from Cincy, Mark ripped DA a new one,…I bet DA teared up some, never been lit into like that…on that flight I think he decided to himself he doesnt want to be a head coach.
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STFU man lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
DA has checked out,…knows hes not a HC,…now doing weird things, panic moves, benching guys mid game,..leaving town when theres a game in three days,..hes checked out.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 am
I met Reggie in the Raider Image in Oakland the day of the Raider Nation Celebration! Nice guy, and big guy too!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
Also,..on that flight from Cincy, Mark ripped DA a new one,…I bet DA teared up some, never been lit into like that…on that flight I think he decided to himself he doesnt want to be a head coach.
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Where you hear that one at Bob?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 am
I doubt Allen or Reggie knew exactly how bad this team is… … I sure as hell didn’t think it would regress like it has….I was hoping for Average…. Nope… Players I didn’t worry about are sucking now…. Like Branch and Moore … Both Lines … Special teams….all have backslid
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 am
Nice guy. Horrible GM.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
lmao “lets not fire a guy who
loses because the next guy might not want to come here..” wtf?
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LOL let’s just keep firing coaches until we get a coach who leads us to superbowl in first year, LMAO , that would be like 50 years probably, keep firing coaches every year, not like give them a chance , just like B Walsh got chance , Jimmy got chance, Belichic got chance, just fire baby
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 am
DMAC,..Monte Poole wrote a big article on that exchange with Mark and DA,…maybe read other things then this blog.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:47 am
I don’t think Dennis Allen should be fired, but he should be forced to fire the garbage OC and DC that he hired…
Sorry, but those pukes gotsta go.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:47 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
lmao “lets not fire a guy who
loses because the next guy might not want to come here..” wtf?
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LOL let’s just keep firing coaches until we get a coach who leads us to superbowl in first year, LMAO , that would be like 50 years probably, keep firing coaches every year, not like give them a chance , just like B Walsh got chance , Jimmy got chance, Belichic got chance, just fire baby
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I don’t expect a superbowl in his 1st stint as HC, but I do expect us to at least beat the schit stains at home.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:47 am
Lemme guess some idiot would show up and tell me that B Walsh probably showed a lot in 2-14 rookie year why he was kept lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:47 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
lmao “lets not fire a guy who
loses because the next guy might not want to come here..” wtf?
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LOL let’s just keep firing coaches until we get a coach who leads us to superbowl in first year, LMAO , that would be like 50 years probably, keep firing coaches every year, not like give them a chance , just like B Walsh got chance , Jimmy got chance, Belichic got chance, just fire baby
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What makes you think DA has anything in common with those guys mentioned besides sucking completeASS in their fist year? What positives do you see from DA?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 am
ten and then mcxcuse20….ten and then…
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 am
I think the way i see it, DA has had enough of these puzzies, suspended Mcclain, benched Bartell, benched Moore, and others, come offseason he will get rid of dead weight and get rid of coaches who aren’t doing their jobs either
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 am
Its not about Reggie firing DA,…I firmly believe DA told Reggie this aint for him but also told him hey man I will be your HC the last month,…DA is in Texas now, will be til around kickoff Thursday…dudes checked out. His dad isnt terminally ill, hes just a kid who misses his mom and dad, this head coaching crap, pressure,..overwhelmed him. Hes done.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:50 am
I read Monte Poole’s Artical ….I liked that Mark spoke up…most of us feel that way…. Tired of this Schidt
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:51 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 am
Its not about Reggie firing DA,…I firmly believe DA told Reggie this aint for him but also told him hey man I will be your HC the last month,…DA is in Texas now, will be til around kickoff Thursday…dudes checked out. His dad isnt terminally ill, hes just a kid who misses his mom and dad, this head coaching crap, pressure,..overwhelmed him. Hes done.
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If DA is no longer around next season, who would you like to see as our HC?
I want Shaw
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:51 am
regressed and overwhelmed…
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:51 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:47 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
lmao “lets not fire a guy who
loses because the next guy might not want to come here..” wtf?
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LOL let’s just keep firing coaches until we get a coach who leads us to superbowl in first year, LMAO , that would be like 50 years probably, keep firing coaches every year, not like give them a chance , just like B Walsh got chance , Jimmy got chance, Belichic got chance, just fire baby
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What makes you think DA has anything in common with those guys mentioned besides sucking completeASS in their fist year? What positives do you see from DA?
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What positive do you think they gave in their first years, 2-14? or Jimmy johnson in 1-15 year? you go to give coaches more time , this isn’t team loaded with talent, yes O has regressed but it didn’t regress to where we are not even moving the ball like 06, it has regressed in play calling department, and run game , but it’s coming along , if they stick with run game yesterday we win the game, D is just another story, been horrible since 03
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 am
I think the way i see it, DA has had enough of these puzzies, suspended Mcclain, benched Bartell, benched Moore, and others, come offseason he will get rid of dead weight and get rid of coaches who aren’t doing their jobs either
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So what you’re saying is, he gets a PASS?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am
There’s only 32 head coaching jobs in the NFL. all of them are attractive..
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am
I can’t imagine being chewed out by Mark Davis. It would be hard not to laugh at the guy. All I would see his that bad hair cut and his white pants.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 am
I think the way i see it, DA has had enough of these puzzies, suspended Mcclain, benched Bartell, benched Moore, and others, come offseason he will get rid of dead weight and get rid of coaches who aren’t doing their jobs either
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Guys should of been held accountable since day 1, not 13 weeks into the season.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:51 am
regressed and overwhelmed…
– LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am
If Reg lures Shaw here, then it will be battle of the bay, stanford style…
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am
If Reggie can get someone like David Shaw, I will just pretend that this year never happened.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am
1 word
REGRESSION!
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am
There is a saying out here in Vegas (sportsbook)…”Home dogs always cover!”
I just don’t see that being the case on Thursday’s night game!
Donks -10.5…I’m gonna fuk around and put a couple c-notes on that, foe cheezy!
52-17 Donks
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Was Bill Walsh’s team worse in that first year than the year prior?
You see, one huge problem with your argument, Mc20, is that DA inherited an 8-8 team. Reggie thought the team could compete and said as much. He thought he got rid of some dead wood and replaced it with some workhorses. Total fail on Reggie or DA?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am
If Reggie can get someone like David Shaw, I will just pretend that this year never happened.
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Exactly
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
The difference btwn Walsh parcells etc is that they had success in other stints. DA not so much. Look at their resumes before becoming HC.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Jim Washburn, the Eagles defensive line coach who was fired this morning, had so little respect for Juan Castillo, the Eagles defensive coordinator who was fired earlier this season, that Washburn would openly show contempt for Castillo in front of players, according to a report from Reuben Frank of CSNPhilly.com.
The report cites one veteran defensive player as saying that Washburn would either ignore Castillo entirely or confront him in a condescending manner. And Washburn would also call Castillo “Juanita” in front of players.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Jimmy Johnson was a champion as a head coach b4 he got to dallas.. bad comparison.. Jimmy Johnson was a taskmaster general. Da is the tits..
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 am
I think the way i see it, DA has had enough of these puzzies, suspended Mcclain, benched Bartell, benched Moore, and others, come offseason he will get rid of dead weight and get rid of coaches who aren’t doing their jobs either
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Guys should of been held accountable since day 1, not 13 weeks into the season.
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How can you do that? , from day 1? it’s not like we have outstanding depth on the team, now there’s nothing to play for , you want guys who are making plays,and playing hard , which is good going into next year, you have to tell them if you want to come back next year show us what you can do
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
Tarver has to go….. How many times do we have to see Wr’s left wide open… Saw it at least 3 times yesterday…. Not a Raider defender anywhere near them … Blown coverages… Over and Fk’n over …
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Reggie will try to hire Shaw,..so will about 10 other teams,..would be nice. Long shot, but Reggie is a great dude, bay area, so Raiders may have an edge,…HOWEVER,…look for Irsay to give him what he wants,…that coach of theirs aint coming back,..and I think Shaw and Luck together has an edge over whatever Reggie can bring.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 am
fingers Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
Tarver has to go….. How many times do we have to see Wr’s left wide open… Saw it at least 3 times yesterday…. Not a Raider defender anywhere near them … Blown coverages… Over and Fk’n over …
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Tarver gets a pass. He’s missing guys like Routt and edge rushers like Trevor Scott.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:57 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Reggie will try to hire Shaw,..so will about 10 other teams,..would be nice. Long shot, but Reggie is a great dude, bay area, so Raiders may have an edge,…HOWEVER,…look for Irsay to give him what he wants,…that coach of theirs aint coming back,..and I think Shaw and Luck together has an edge over whatever Reggie can bring.
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Noooooooooooo! I hope not.
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am
Total fail by reggie and da.. tp and tj time. No more lame excuses
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am
The Big Banana Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Was Bill Walsh’s team worse in that first year than the year prior?
You see, one huge problem with your argument, Mc20, is that DA inherited an 8-8 team. Reggie thought the team could compete and said as much. He thought he got rid of some dead wood and replaced it with some workhorses. Total fail on Reggie or DA?
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LOL ofcourse Reggie was going to say that the team could compete, what kinda GM would come out and say that we s8ck, we need to rebuild , our depth is the weak? but it doesn’t matter if you had success before or not, it’s not like we came off a year beating good teams or we came into offseason had all hands on the deck, heck give the guy a chance with a decent offseason, and have plenty of coaches to choose from , instead of settling for last options
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am
What i don’t get from you people who blame the talent, not coaches is how Last year’s 8-8 team was all on Hue Jackson’s failures down the stretch, but this years problem is talent?
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am
Judge37… Lol… I can see how he must miss them…..
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Yeah Reggie is a terrible GM because the LBer he draft at the tail of the 5th round is making a ton of rookie mistakes. LOL
YOU people.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
1226.The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am
What i don’t get from you people who blame the talent, not coaches is how Last year’s 8-8 team was all on Hue Jackson’s failures down the stretch, but this years problem is talent?
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41% turnover in the roster. Stop comparing what Hue had to work with to what DA has to work with.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am
What i don’t get from you people who blame the talent, not coaches is how Last year’s 8-8 team was all on Hue Jackson’s failures down the stretch, but this years problem is talent?
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Bingo! Nice take.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
Marks hair Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Jimmy Johnson was a champion as a head coach b4 he got to dallas.. bad comparison.. Jimmy Johnson was a taskmaster general. Da is the tits..
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So were Pete Carrol and Steve Spurrier, they were given plenty of chances, the thing is you can’t tell how a coach will turn out like only thing you can do is find out by giving him atleast couple of years, you guys are spoiled by the success of teams like WHIners and think that all coaches turn their team around in 1st year, i rem Belichick in first pats year also had worse record than they had year before, but they didn’t fire him? it turned out really well for them
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am
If Reggie can get someone like David Shaw, I will just pretend that this year never happened.
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Man, I don’t even wanna spend time thinking about that right now.
Who even knows if Shaw has a fraction of desire to go to the NFL right now? Or If DA is gonna be run outta town?
There’s been nothing to make me believe either of the 2 things might happen.
Cause thinking about it stirs excitement
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
bcz24 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Yeah Reggie is a terrible GM because the LBer he draft at the tail of the 5th round is making a ton of rookie mistakes. LOL
YOU people.
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Al had plenty of 5th round gems too.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
My first choice is Gruden. Always will be,…Shaw though would be great,..but not gonna happen,..nor will Gruden. Look for Reg to hire an old man type HC, whos been around…Tom Coughlin type…or look for Reggie to make a run at Vic Fangio.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 am
I wasn’t a big Hue fan…and I believe we lack both talent and coachs ….
We’ve got weak coachs coaching poor talent… IMO ..
Our defense last year was horrible… And I didn’t even think it would be possible for this years Defense to be worse .. But it is…..
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 am
bcz24 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
1226.The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am
What i don’t get from you people who blame the talent, not coaches is how Last year’s 8-8 team was all on Hue Jackson’s failures down the stretch, but this years problem is talent?
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41% turnover in the roster. Stop comparing what Hue had to work with to what DA has to work with.
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The players turned over were supposed to be upgrades. Aside from Brisel on offense, same starters. Defense has the most turnover but they sucked from last year too
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Fangio would be a solid choice as well!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:04 am
The Hue firing was a travesty of Justice…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:04 am
fingers Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 am
I wasn’t a big Hue fan…and I believe we lack both talent and coachs ….
We’ve got weak coachs coaching poor talent… IMO ..
Our defense last year was horrible… And I didn’t even think it would be possible for this years Defense to be worse .. But it is…..
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Yes, it’s not hard to acknowledge the problem is both players and coach. There is no need to defend either one.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 am
Fangio would def. be an interesting candidate.
We need winners in Oakland!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 am
I was all for giving Hue chances too , and all for DA getting a chance, atleast with decent offseason , not with a offseason where we are cutting players just to get under the cap,31 other teams are adding nice players, not with offseason we wait until the 3rd round to draft our player, not in the offseason Mark took his precious time to hire the Gm and Reg took his time to hire DA and DA was refused permission to talk to many peoples and just had to make a quick decision because senior bowl was coming up pretty soon
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 am
I don’t see Gruden coming back either…..I remember watching Gruden and Gannon yelling at each other on the sideline … Loved it…. I think Gruden kept Gannon from getting his azz kicked in the locker room more than a few times
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:06 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 am
fingers Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
Tarver has to go….. How many times do we have to see Wr’s left wide open… Saw it at least 3 times yesterday…. Not a Raider defender anywhere near them … Blown coverages… Over and Fk’n over …
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Tarver gets a pass. He’s missing guys like Routt and edge rushers like Trevor Scott.
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WRs were open because they were routinely sending 6 or 7 guys after Weeden and had very few left in a spread zone to cover. If the team could generate a real rush with the base 4, you’d see a lot different coverages.
The reality is that Seymour was hugely effective the last few seasons at soaking up blocking attention and making the others around him look better. Without him playing as he once he could, the rest of the line is pretty mediocre.
The ONE most important thing for this team to improve on at this point is interior DL pass rush pressure. That will let us see what the outside guys can do and allow the LBs to spend a bit more time in coverage and less running into 315 pound lineman.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Al had plenty of 5th round gems too.
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Al had 40 years of 5th rounders to hit a couple of gems. Reg is being bashed because of 1.
Al killed this team with poor drafting for the last decade. These guys (and no I am not giving them a pass, these coaches suck) have 5 picks after #97, 4 of whom are contributing regularly now (not well, but better than anything else we got)
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
drafting a slow lb is one mistake, starting him is a complete failure…but he is hero burriss….gonna change the lb position!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 am
I was all for giving Hue chances too , and all for DA getting a chance, atleast with decent offseason , not with a offseason where we are cutting players just to get under the cap,31 other teams are adding nice players, not with offseason we wait until the 3rd round to draft our player, not in the offseason Mark took his precious time to hire the Gm and Reg took his time to hire DA and DA was refused permission to talk to many peoples and just had to make a quick decision because senior bowl was coming up pretty soon
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Translation: Everyone gets a pass this year!!! Unless you were drafted by Al Davis, then shame on you
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Zymurge Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:06 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 am
fingers Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
Tarver has to go….. How many times do we have to see Wr’s left wide open… Saw it at least 3 times yesterday…. Not a Raider defender anywhere near them … Blown coverages… Over and Fk’n over …
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Tarver gets a pass. He’s missing guys like Routt and edge rushers like Trevor Scott.
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WRs were open because they were routinely sending 6 or 7 guys after Weeden and had very few left in a spread zone to cover. If the team could generate a real rush with the base 4, you’d see a lot different coverages.
The reality is that Seymour was hugely effective the last few seasons at soaking up blocking attention and making the others around him look better. Without him playing as he once he could, the rest of the line is pretty mediocre.
The ONE most important thing for this team to improve on at this point is interior DL pass rush pressure. That will let us see what the outside guys can do and allow the LBs to spend a bit more time in coverage and less running into 315 pound lineman.
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Thank you, finally some one with common sense..
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
Greg Knapp is currently the Head Coach of the Oakland Raiders.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
WRs were open because they were routinely sending 6 or 7 guys after Weeden and had very few left in a spread zone to cover. If the team could generate a real rush with the base 4, you’d see a lot different coverages
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For one thing about this year, I love how everyone complained about Al Davis’s dated defensive scheme, but this year everyone is asking for natural pressure and man covereage.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
Hue,…ok,…look Hue isnt a HC,..hes a good offensive minded dude,..bout it,…he couldnt get a job after Reg canned him,..his friend gave him a QB asst coach gig so he would have something to do in football.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
Mac20. Reggie was refused the right to talk to coaches that he wanted to promote to head coach.. da isn’t allowed to steal assistant coaches from other teams or even talk to them about a job.. You can only take assistants and promote them to head coach and team has to allow you to talk to them.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
Zymurge… Sorry… Not buying that… It’s been happening all year… Guys blowing coverages then pointing it glaring at eachother….
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
The skeptic in me says there is nothing wrong with D.A’s father and Dennis just wants to get out of dodge after an underwhelming performance against the lowly Browns.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
Greg Knapp is currently the Head Coach of the Oakland Raiders.
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So this is what the Mayans were talking about in 2012?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 am
I was all for giving Hue chances too , and all for DA getting a chance, atleast with decent offseason , not with a offseason where we are cutting players just to get under the cap,31 other teams are adding nice players, not with offseason we wait until the 3rd round to draft our player, not in the offseason Mark took his precious time to hire the Gm and Reg took his time to hire DA and DA was refused permission to talk to many peoples and just had to make a quick decision because senior bowl was coming up pretty soon
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Translation: Everyone gets a pass this year!!! Unless you were drafted by Al Davis, then shame on you
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WHat you even talking about man? Houston was drafted by AL and other couple of players, I want all the scrubs gone next year, that include plenty of players drafted or signed by both GMs
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
Hue,…ok,…look Hue isnt a HC,..hes a good offensive minded dude,..bout it,…he couldnt get a job after Reg canned him,..his friend gave him a QB asst coach gig so he would have something to do in football.
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I want Hue back in the Bay coaching my Cal Bears
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 am
Seen Mitchell , Branch ,Huff and Gio all blow coverages… That’s players and coaching …
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
Greg Knapp is currently the Head Coach of the Oakland Raiders.
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So this is what the Mayans were talking about in 2012?
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haha
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 am
I wonder if Gilbride is on Reggie’s list?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 am
Poor pass rush doesn’t explain guys being wide open on a 3 step drop. Way to try and bail out the secondary though, good job, good effort.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 am
biggest scrubs are da and reggie…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Hue might get an asst gig at Cal,..Cal sucks, should be kicked out of the Pac,..they belong in Div 2 football.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
WRs were open because they were routinely sending 6 or 7 guys after Weeden and had very few left in a spread zone to cover. If the team could generate a real rush with the base 4, you’d see a lot different coverages
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For one thing about this year, I love how everyone complained about Al Davis’s dated defensive scheme, but this year everyone is asking for natural pressure and man covereage.
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The thing is nobody gets this, No passrush = every scheme will fail , Good pass rush = some schemes will be great and some schemes will be good
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
Good point!!! Reggie thought this team would be competitive buy getting rid of some high price players and fit them with hand picked players of his choice and this would work to his favor. You Know, look what I done on the cheap and got the same production kinda thing.
Banana Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Was Bill Walsh’s team worse in that first year than the year prior?
You see, one huge problem with your argument, Mc20, is that DA inherited an 8-8 team. Reggie thought the team could compete and said as much. He thought he got rid of some dead wood and replaced it with some workhorses. Total fail on Reggie or DA?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
No more college coaches please…
Norv as OC and Crennel as DC is great but wouldn’t it be better if we got a veteran head coach as well?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Hue might get an asst gig at Cal,..Cal sucks, should be kicked out of the Pac,..they belong in Div 2 football.
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Huey will bring them back!
Just glad Tedford sorry ass is finally gone.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
Coye Francies for special team player of the year.
Seriously, does it get any worse?
Ronney Jenkins please.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
lmao “lets not fire a guy who
loses because the next guy might not want to come here..” wtf?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
LMAO
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:14 am
If we get blown out on National TV Thurs.night,I have a feeling the “inner Al” may come out of Mark Davis!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Trindon Holiday was available.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Dick Lebeu’s scheme will fail with this pass rush, sorry not going to buy better coaches could have made the pass rush better, Pitts keeps drafting OLB’s year after year, NYG keeps drafting DL,in 1st and 2nd rounds year after year, you need freaking good players, you can’t just coach em up lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
IF we get blown out????
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
Raideraholic (AKAHairyBush) Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
Coye Francies for special team player of the year.
Seriously, does it get any worse?
Ronney Jenkins please.
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Bring back the other Francis guy? Carlos?
lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Dick Lebeu’s scheme will fail with this pass rush, sorry not going to buy better coaches could have made the pass rush better, Pitts keeps drafting OLB’s year after year, NYG keeps drafting DL,in 1st and 2nd rounds year after year, you need freaking good players, you can’t just coach em up lol
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So now we’re losing becasue we don’t have a pass rush???
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 am
Bring back Wauffle!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 am
2romes Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
Good point!!! Reggie thought this team would be competitive buy getting rid of some high price players and fit them with hand picked players of his choice and this would work to his favor. You Know, look what I done on the cheap and got the same production kinda thing.
Banana Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Was Bill Walsh’s team worse in that first year than the year prior?
You see, one huge problem with your argument, Mc20, is that DA inherited an 8-8 team. Reggie thought the team could compete and said as much. He thought he got rid of some dead wood and replaced it with some workhorses. Total fail on Reggie or DA?
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Reg had to go cheap because he didn’t had money to spend cuz it was over the salary cap limit , and if they hadn’t cut Routt and Wimbley they would have had hard time to field a team of 53 players
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:18 am
DA needs to hire a new staff or he should be fired.
Fire:
Knapp
Tarver
Hoffman
OL coach
DL coach
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
WRs were open because they were routinely sending 6 or 7 guys after Weeden and had very few left in a spread zone to cover. If the team could generate a real rush with the base 4, you’d see a lot different coverages
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For one thing about this year, I love how everyone complained about Al Davis’s dated defensive scheme, but this year everyone is asking for natural pressure and man covereage.
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Lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Dick Lebeu’s scheme will fail with this pass rush, sorry not going to buy better coaches could have made the pass rush better, Pitts keeps drafting OLB’s year after year, NYG keeps drafting DL,in 1st and 2nd rounds year after year, you need freaking good players, you can’t just coach em up lol
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So now we’re losing becasue we don’t have a pass rush???
–Yes, ofcourse, you didn’t watch the games this year? we got no pass rusher period, the team will be lucky to get 5 sacks out of anybody this year, there are like 5 guys who have more sacks than our entire team combined, just saying
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:21 am
They are not asking for man coverage, the scheme is Ok, the pass rush is not there, you do need to show different looks about 20% of the games but 80% of the game you would have to beat them with natural rush, it’s common sense
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:21 am
mcxcuse20 loves the pass rush excuse…theres no pass rush because the dbs are ten yards off and the rec are open right away…there was no one over the slot guy…no one. qb just has to pitch it by his 3rd step…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Dick Lebeu’s scheme will fail with this pass rush, sorry not going to buy better coaches could have made the pass rush better, Pitts keeps drafting OLB’s year after year, NYG keeps drafting DL,in 1st and 2nd rounds year after year, you need freaking good players, you can’t just coach em up lol
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So now we’re losing becasue we don’t have a pass rush???
–Yes, ofcourse, you didn’t watch the games this year? we got no pass rusher period, the team will be lucky to get 5 sacks out of anybody this year, there are like 5 guys who have more sacks than our entire team combined, just saying
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Wauffle!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am
its comical really mcxcuse…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:17 am
2romes Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
Good point!!! Reggie thought this team would be competitive buy getting rid of some high price players and fit them with hand picked players of his choice and this would work to his favor. You Know, look what I done on the cheap and got the same production kinda thing.
Banana Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Was Bill Walsh’s team worse in that first year than the year prior?
You see, one huge problem with your argument, Mc20, is that DA inherited an 8-8 team. Reggie thought the team could compete and said as much. He thought he got rid of some dead wood and replaced it with some workhorses. Total fail on Reggie or DA?
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Reg had to go cheap because he didn’t had money to spend cuz it was over the salary cap limit , and if they hadn’t cut Routt and Wimbley they would have had hard time to field a team of 53 players
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The only players that were prohibitively expensive were Routt and Wimbley. We really miss the TD escorting PI machine and the hot/cold pass rushing specialist THAT much?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
I’d be willing to look into Black Magic to conjure up Al Davis just to fire the Coaches.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
So we lost yesterday because we couldn’t rush the passr, or because we passed 54 times and ran it 16 times?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
Why keep changing coaches every year, how about we just give guys a few years, and focus on the talent level? last guy we had more than 2 years did just fine
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
You see, one huge problem with your argument, Mc20, is that DA inherited an 8-8 team. Reggie thought the team could compete and said as much. He thought he got rid of some dead wood and replaced it with some workhorses. Total fail on Reggie or DA?
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Reg had to go cheap because he didn’t had money to spend cuz it was over the salary cap limit , and if they hadn’t cut Routt and Wimbley they would have had hard time to field a team of 53 players
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The only players that were prohibitively expensive were Routt and Wimbley. We really miss the TD escorting PI machine and the hot/cold pass rushing specialist THAT much?
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes, according to McFadden. lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:25 am
The only players that were prohibitively expensive were Routt and Wimbley. We really miss the TD escorting PI machine and the hot/cold pass rushing specialist THAT much?
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LOL, nobody flailed their arms at a ball like Routt. But i’d be willing to take two 4 sack games from Wimbley over the no sack having Kelly.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
So we lost yesterday because we couldn’t rush the passr, or because we passed 54 times and ran it 16 times?
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Both, Palmer should never be asked to attempt that many passes, Knapp should have never went away from run game, Weeden comfortably converted 3rd and longs
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
Why keep changing coaches every year, how about we just give guys a few years, and focus on the talent level? last guy we had more than 2 years did just fine
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Lets start with one who doesn’t have a historically bad season
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Fvck this fvcking blog too… I typed 2 long comments in a row and it just ate them. FVCK!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Texas A&M in Fresno State both saw their sack totals basically double when they brought in coach Tim to router and is Dick LeBeau style constant motion defense the turnovers basically tripled.. Not saying that’s exactly what would happen here but scheme and teaching does make a big difference and Tarver does look out of his league
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
The scheme is OK?!?! Really? How can you tell? Tarver and DA have a history of having successful schemes?
You people are willing to say anything.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
You see, one huge problem with your argument, Mc20, is that DA inherited an 8-8 team. Reggie thought the team could compete and said as much. He thought he got rid of some dead wood and replaced it with some workhorses. Total fail on Reggie or DA?
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Reg had to go cheap because he didn’t had money to spend cuz it was over the salary cap limit , and if they hadn’t cut Routt and Wimbley they would have had hard time to field a team of 53 players
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The only players that were prohibitively expensive were Routt and Wimbley. We really miss the TD escorting PI machine and the hot/cold pass rushing specialist THAT much?
$$$$$$$$$$$$
Yes, according to McFadden. lol
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Wimbley wasn’t a 10 plus sack player but he was still better at putting pressure than most of the guys , the problem was he was grossly overpaid, 2 other guys who were able to put pressure are near their retirement, with 1 cashing checks playing average the other by faking knee injury
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
so is marquez gonna finally get a decision to go his way saturday or he just too old now and pacquiao gonna knock him out?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:29 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
So we lost yesterday because we couldn’t rush the passr, or because we passed 54 times and ran it 16 times?
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Both, Palmer should never be asked to attempt that many passes, Knapp should have never went away from run game, Weeden comfortably converted 3rd and longs
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Bad coaching!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
so is marquez gonna finally get a decision to go his way saturday or he just too old now and pacquiao gonna knock him out?
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I won’t pay ppv to see this. I think I’ll catch some UFC on Fox for free.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
The scheme is OK?!?! Really? How can you tell? Tarver and DA have a history of having successful schemes?
You people are willing to say anything.
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yes the scheme is okay, you need players to rush the passer, that’s the whole thing to it,? the better you are at it , the more likely your scheme would look good, beast pass rush beats beast passing game, proven by NYG
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
You guys suck!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Marks Hair
More often than not the front four simply rush forward attempting to bull rush and collapse the pocket.
Haven’t seen too many stunts or shifts up front which makes it easy for opposing O-lineman to just man-up on Raiders D-lineman.
A LeBeau-style D would be a nice change, however, even LeBeau’s scheme’s couldn’t stop the Knapp-offense when it counted in the Raiders win over the Steelers earlier this season.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
So we lost yesterday because we couldn’t rush the passr, or because we passed 54 times and ran it 16 times?
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Both, Palmer should never be asked to attempt that many passes, Knapp should have never went away from run game, Weeden comfortably converted 3rd and longs
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
WTF are you talking about?
Browns were 3/11 on 3rd downs conversions!!!!
Wow!!!!
Maybe Riff is right. You people are not qualified to form opinions about football.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:29 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
So we lost yesterday because we couldn’t rush the passr, or because we passed 54 times and ran it 16 times?
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Both, Palmer should never be asked to attempt that many passes, Knapp should have never went away from run game, Weeden comfortably converted 3rd and longs
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Bad coaching!
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Okay
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
marquez gonna ko pac he is ripped…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
so is marquez gonna finally get a decision to go his way saturday or he just too old now and pacquiao gonna knock him out?
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I won’t pay ppv to see this. I think I’ll catch some UFC on Fox for free.
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love me some boxing, this is one that’ll be worth it, the judges on the other hand we know how boxing is
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 am
I don’t suck anything, unless its some female tits.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
So we lost yesterday because we couldn’t rush the passr, or because we passed 54 times and ran it 16 times?
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Both, Palmer should never be asked to attempt that many passes, Knapp should have never went away from run game, Weeden comfortably converted 3rd and longs
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
WTF are you talking about?
Browns were 3/11 on 3rd downs conversions!!!!
Wow!!!!
Maybe Riff is right. You people are not qualified to form opinions about football.
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Weeden comfortable converted 3rd down on their last drive, and Burris whiffed on one of the other tackle
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am
This might explain why the Raiders went pass-heavy instead of using the run against the Browns…
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
My biggest question was why didn’t Raiders run more (5 yards a pop), and Allen, players said they were going off Palmer’s no-huddle reads
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am
Wimbley wasn’t a 10 plus sack player but he was still better at putting pressure than most of the guys , the problem was he was grossly overpaid, 2 other guys who were able to put pressure are near their retirement, with 1 cashing checks playing average the other by faking knee injury
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I thought pass rusher are at a premium? Why should cost be an issue>?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:34 am
Gruden went 8-8 couple of years before finally getting over that hump, Al finally settled with 1 coach and paid off huge time, btw those teams were stacked, 90s Era was still better than 2000 save for 2-3 years
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:34 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
so is marquez gonna finally get a decision to go his way saturday or he just too old now and pacquiao gonna knock him out?
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I won’t pay ppv to see this. I think I’ll catch some UFC on Fox for free.
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love me some boxing, this is one that’ll be worth it, the judges on the other hand we know how boxing is
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I luv watching boxing 2, but they need the Mafia to stay at home.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:35 am
Weeden comfortable converted 3rd down on their last drive
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
3/11 on 3rd downs??? Comfortable?!?!?!?!
Hello!!!! 3/11!!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:35 am
jackasspuria Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am
This might explain why the Raiders went pass-heavy instead of using the run against the Browns…
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
My biggest question was why didn’t Raiders run more (5 yards a pop), and Allen, players said they were going off Palmer’s no-huddle reads
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Why?
Because CP3 is done w/ Knappys horrible play calling.
Our coaches are garbage!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 am
dont pay attention to the judges…watch the fight for the fight itself…belts are fake anyways.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
marquez gonna ko pac he is ripped…
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i actually didn’t see the first two, but i thought marquez won the 3rd one, was i favoring my guy and what you guys think about the first two?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am
Pro Football Weekly @ProFootballWkly
Word around the league is that Jon Gruden is in line to rejoin the #Raiders in a prominent role. More in Scout’s Eye – http://bit.ly/VgLtu0
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 am
dont pay attention to the judges…watch the fight for the fight itself…belts are fake anyways.
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I do, but I fk’n hate it when deserving winners get robbed!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am
Wimbley wasn’t a 10 plus sack player but he was still better at putting pressure than most of the guys , the problem was he was grossly overpaid, 2 other guys who were able to put pressure are near their retirement, with 1 cashing checks playing average the other by faking knee injury
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I thought pass rusher are at a premium? Why should cost be an issue>?
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You are asking stupid questions, when you know if we didn’t cut those players , we might have even failed to field a team of 53 players? why are you so slow, yes pass rush is at premium , but Wimbley was paid like a Defensive player of the year, we simply asked him to reconstruct his contract to match with his performance, but he didn’t want to so we had no choice
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am
The key to all our gaffes seem to be timing of when they occur.
Palmer is not one of the most intercepted QB’s in the league, but the TIMING of his picks is where it has killed us.
Atl game, Tampa Bay, and yesterday.
As far as 3rd down conversions, in the 4th when we had ‘em deep in their own end on 3rd and 11 we give up that pass to Little…it was a killer there too.
CLUTCH 3rd and long meltdown, even though they were only 3/11 for the day.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
marquez gonna ko pac he is ripped…
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i actually didn’t see the first two, but i thought marquez won the 3rd one, was i favoring my guy and what you guys think about the first two?
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I have it Marquez 2……Pac 1
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:39 am
• Jon Gruden has been out of the NFL since his abrupt firing by the Buccaneers in 2008, when inside sources said the players turned against his hard coaching style. Known for his admiration of John Madden, many executives around the league believed Gruden was destined for a prime-time role in the broadcast booth and would seek to spend the rest of his career there, capitalizing on the naming rights involved with the video gaming world that reportedly have generated more than $100 million for Madden. While spending the past three seasons working for ESPN on Monday nights, Gruden also has not stopped spending extensive time grilling and getting to know the next batch of quarterbacks to come through the NFL in his annual “Gruden’s QB Camp” series, logic would indicate, in preparation for the next coaching opportunity. The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders’ organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and the Al Davis brand of football than anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faitering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:39 am
Nothing worse than making good points in a long post and then having this blog or maybe my phone service eat it
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
For the Browns, it snapped a 12-game road losing streak that began last Oct. 16 wit a 24-17 loss to the Raiders at the Coliseum.
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Like I’ve been saying. Our coaching staff is pathetic!!!
We can’t even beat the schit stains in our house?!
Take a look at Jeff Fisher and the Rams….
The Rams clearly aren’t and talented as the Whiners, but they somehow found a way to tie them the 1st time they played and now they actually beat them the 2nd time.
ITS CALLED GOOD COACHING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sam Bradford is an overall number one that they traded the rights to RGIII because they were happy with Bradford. Steven Jackson is a horse. Long, Langford, Brockers and Quinn are good up front. Laurinaitis has played very well for them. Courtland Finnegan, Janoris Jenkins and Quintin Mikell are very good in the secondary. Which of our guys is better than these guys? Tell me.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:41 am
1321,
I wonder how legit this speculation is.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:41 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am
The key to all our gaffes seem to be timing of when they occur.
Palmer is not one of the most intercepted QB’s in the league, but the TIMING of his picks is where it has killed us.
Atl game, Tampa Bay, and yesterday.
As far as 3rd down conversions, in the 4th when we had ‘em deep in their own end on 3rd and 11 we give up that pass to Little…it was a killer there too.
CLUTCH 3rd and long meltdown, even though they were only 3/11 for the day.
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Thank you, Wheeden was comfortable behind the line on that last drive, made throws with comfort on 1st, 2nd and 3rd downs
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 am
For the Browns, it snapped a 12-game road losing streak that began last Oct. 16 wit a 24-17 loss to the Raiders at the Coliseum.
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Like I’ve been saying. Our coaching staff is pathetic!!!
We can’t even beat the schit stains in our house?!
Take a look at Jeff Fisher and the Rams….
The Rams clearly aren’t and talented as the Whiners, but they somehow found a way to tie them the 1st time they played and now they actually beat them the 2nd time.
ITS CALLED GOOD COACHING PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sam Bradford is an overall number one that they traded the rights to RGIII because they were happy with Bradford. Steven Jackson is a horse. Long, Langford, Brockers and Quinn are good up front. Laurinaitis has played very well for them. Courtland Finnegan, Janoris Jenkins and Quintin Mikell are very good in the secondary. Which of our guys is better than these guys? Tell me.
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ITS CALLED GOOD COACHING!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 am
We have a play called “hey diddle diddle McFadden’s on a stretcher”
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 am
I thought pass rusher are at a premium? Why should cost be an issue>?
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Because there is a salary cap. That’s why.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:43 am
The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders’ organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and the Al Davis brand of football than anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faitering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.
Wasn’t there reports of Gruden and Mark sightings a couple of weeks ago?
I beginning to like!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:43 am
i have it 3-0 marquez although all were soo close…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am
So the Rams are more talented than the Whiners?
IS that what your saying Seymour?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am
Since online and dline are getting beat so much and the fact Travis Ivey couldn’t b brought into shape time for our new strength and conditioning coach to go as well! Hahaha!
Not sure who is all on staff but raiders site lists one guy. Donkeys have like 4 or 5 for strength coaches.
Reggie needs to buy some weights and a couple jugs machines!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am
ITS CALLED GOOD COACHING!!!
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that’s why we have changed coaches and changed coaches and changed coaches yet the team still sucks. Those coaches have gone on to be successful and our team still sucks. Sober up guy.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am
Wheeden was 5 for 5 after those 2 batted balls in first 2 downs from 6 yard line, combo of scrub secondary and scrub pass rush
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
I would want Gruden if Al were still here, but not under McKenzie. Different system. I want McKenzie in charge of everything. That’s why I’m glad Hue’s gone, as well. This system is winning a Super Bowl in 2014. You guys won’t be complaining then.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am
ITS CALLED GOOD COACHING!!!
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that’s why we have changed coaches and changed coaches and changed coaches yet the team still sucks. Those coaches have gone on to be successful and our team still sucks. Sober up guy.
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So you wish we still had Cable as our HC?
Continuity?
GTFOH
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
does da ever get mad?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
The perenniel call of the ignorant fan: fire the coach! or bench the QB!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am
I was following the Gruden saga as it concerns Tennessee Vols and so many reports…some from VALID SOURCES had him signed sealed and delivered there.
Supposedly guys had documents proving his kids had enrolled at school already in Knoxville, his wife contacted hair stylists in the area to make an appt., realtors were showing them new homes in the area, etc. etc. etc. then finally the agent announces he had NEVER even been contacted, and NO money was discussed EVER and he called the whole thing “a fantasy” made up by an overzealous press and an anxious fan base.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am
So now, all of sudden DA’s dad is ill and needs to join him in Texas?
Hmmmmmmmmm????????
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am
Lemme guess Norv couldn’t win here but won in SD? why? did he magically get better ? It’s the freaking talent, when will you guys learn about that?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Yeah. This team sucking is all CP3 fault…all his fault. Yeah sure…
Sheesh.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Keep Norv in San Diego.
Continuity?
lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Bring Norv back!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:48 am
1338.Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
The perenniel call of the ignorant fan: fire the coach! or bench the QB!
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Reminds me of the ones who wanted to oust a 1st yr. HC with the best winning % since Gruden.
Ignorant fans indeed.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:48 am
So you wish we still had Cable as our HC?
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Tom Cable is the assistant Head Coach up in Seattle. Last time I looked, that team was playing well and in the playoff hunt.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:48 am
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am
Lemme guess Norv couldn’t win here but won in SD? why? did he magically get better ? It’s the freaking talent, when will you guys learn about that?
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Its both!!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
David Shaw, Jim Mora Jr, Brian Kelly, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Vic Fangio, Hue Jackson, Jon Gruden > DA
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:48 am
So you wish we still had Cable as our HC?
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Tom Cable is the assistant Head Coach up in Seattle. Last time I looked, that team was playing well and in the playoff hunt.
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Didn’t answer the ???
Are you pissed that Cable isn’t here no more?
You want continuity, right?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
Pitts have had only 3 coaches over the last 40+ years, Chuck Noll had losing years in first 3 years, Cowher had a few losing seasons, Tomlin had a few losing seasons, they learned that they have to stick with coaches,While we freaking changed coaches every year or 2 years, what if Al fired Gruden because he finished 8-8 again in 99 , would we have seen the success in 00?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
David Shaw, Jim Mora Jr, Brian Kelly, Urban Meyer, Nick Saban, Vic Fangio, Hue Jackson, Jon Gruden > DA
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Don’t forget to add…
Norv > DA
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:48 am
1338.Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
The perenniel call of the ignorant fan: fire the coach! or bench the QB!
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Reminds me of the ones who wanted to oust a 1st yr. HC with the best winning % since Gruden.
Ignorant fans indeed.
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I don’t think Jon Gruden dropped his last five games. If he had he would have been run. So yes ignorant fans indeed.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Da’s dad called and said you need an excuse b4 you get shìtcanned.. tell em im sick..
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Adams and safeties Matt Giordano and Mike Mitchell will all have to deal with the NFL’s concussion protocol this week with limited time to recover.
Peyton says “this is gonna be too easy”
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:51 am
Marks hair Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Da’s dad called and said you need an excuse b4 you get shìtcanned.. tell em im sick..
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Bingo!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
8-8 is a long way away from 3-13…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
“Hey daddy I can’t take it anymore, what should I do?”
“Get your bags son, and just run for the border.”
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
I’ll say it here first, if Gruden wants to come back, DA is gone gone gone
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
8-8 is a long way away from 3-13…
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Bingo!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Keep Norv in San Diego.
Continuity?
lol
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I wish Denver kept Josh McDaniels for continuity and stability.
LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
Don’t forget to add…
Norv > DA
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i don’t know man, i almost said Josh Mcdaniels > DA given a second shot at it not making the personell decisions getting fed humble pie maybe but i’d rather give da another year than take that gamble
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
What was so awesome that Gruden showed in his first 2 years? didn’t we had a lot of talent in 90s we really only had 1 bad year the year before Gruden, you would have to go back to early 70s to find another season less than 7 wins, but we kept him and it paid dividends
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Didn’t answer the ???
Are you pissed that Cable isn’t here no more?
You want continuity, right?
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Yes, I think it was a bad mistake that Davis got rid of Cable. Not just continuity, although there is something to be said for stability. But the team played well for Cable especially at the end of both years he was here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
it sure wasnt 3-13…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Keep Norv in San Diego.
Continuity?
lol
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I wish Denver kept Josh McDaniels for continuity and stability.
LOL
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Give Romeo another 5 years to get this thing turned around.
lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
U Meyer and his offense are not a good fit in the NFL IMO.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
maybe DA is looking for curious george
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December 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
1342.DKnight007 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Yeah. This team sucking is all CP3 fault…all his fault. Yeah sure…
Sheesh.
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It definitely is NOT all Palmer’s fault.
I am a Palmer guy, and even I admit the TIMING of those picks is what is killer.
I think he would thrive though on a team with guys who don’t run bad routes and catch the ball.
Maybe one with a consitent running game too?
Or how about one with a defense that would allow him to not have to pass the ball every down cuz he has to play catch up every game.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Didn’t answer the ???
Are you pissed that Cable isn’t here no more?
You want continuity, right?
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Yes, I think it was a bad mistake that Davis got rid of Cable. Not just continuity, although there is something to be said for stability. But the team played well for Cable especially at the end of both years he was here.
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Fair enough
Now tell me how the team is playing under DA?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
it sure wasnt 3-13…
– stfu 3-13 is >>> 2-14 in 2006 and J RUssel with #1 pick in 07
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:55 am
cable guy was good cuz he broke hanson jaw and pimp slapped krapp to towel boy…
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 am
stfu?…dont get mad mcxcuse…lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 am
LOL DMAC.
They are stupid if they fire him. You can’t fire a HC after 1 year. What about continuity? You are not going to find a HC if you do that.
LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:57 am
1352.Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
DJ Johnny Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:48 am
1338.Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
The perenniel call of the ignorant fan: fire the coach! or bench the QB!
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Reminds me of the ones who wanted to oust a 1st yr. HC with the best winning % since Gruden.
Ignorant fans indeed.
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I don’t think Jon Gruden dropped his last five games. If he had he would have been run. So yes ignorant fans indeed.
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To be fair, Hue lost 4 of the last 5. You’re forgetting that glorious win at Arrowhead.
Also, I am with you on Cable. Cable and Hue had a thing going…not THAT kind of thing. Well, you know what I mean.
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
or maybe he’s getting a gynacomastia:
http://www.malebreastreductiondoctor.com/
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
Hey DMac20…are you on twitter with teh same call name?
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 am
stfu?…dont get mad mcxcuse…lol
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I am not mad at anything just mad at Al’s decision, would have looked so much better if we had some money to get a #1 receiver and #1 pass receiver but thanks to Al and his check book that filled the account of average guys just for showing up
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
People here keep saying continuity, they say we can’t hire coaches, but we fired Hue after 1 year and we didn’t have a problem finding a replacement.
You Monkeys are crazy!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
We need some clutch players.. Myers makes a lot of catches but he drops all the important ones.. moore is jett2.0.. cp3 racks up loads of garbage yards but can’t really get in the endzone or stop throwing boneheaded interceptions when it’s really important to take care of the fùcking ball.. oh and the defense can’t shed blocks can’t tackle can’t find correct angles and they probably wipe their àsses back to front..
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
U Meyer and his offense are not a good fit in the NFL IMO.
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but he has those trenchman blasting people off the ball
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
I think Mcfadden20 might be DA’s little brother.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
So now we’re losing becasue we don’t have a pass rush???
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Dudes, we’re losing cause of like 100 reasons
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
1335.Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
I would want Gruden if Al were still here, but not under McKenzie. Different system. I want McKenzie in charge of everything. That’s why I’m glad Hue’s gone, as well. This system is winning a Super Bowl in 2014. You guys won’t be complaining then.
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Sullivan has catapulted into one of the top 5 positive posters on here.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Keep changing coaches, year after year, sure let’s not model our franchise after one of the most successful franchise, Steelers, let’s keep firing coaches who don’t win many games in their first years lol, competing against teams who improved their teams in FA and DRaft and had previous players to atleast play in the right scheme, we had drafted McClain 3-4 ILB from Alabama to play 4-3 MLB , Seymour 3-4 End to play 4-3 DT
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
1375.inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
or maybe he’s getting a gynacomastia:
http://www.malebreastreductiondoctor.com/
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OMG..you guys are nuts…lol.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
theghostronin79 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
So now we’re losing becasue we don’t have a pass rush???
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Dudes, we’re losing cause of like 100 reasons
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Pass rush is #1 on the list
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
1335.Sullivan44 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:45 am
I would want Gruden if Al were still here, but not under McKenzie. Different system. I want McKenzie in charge of everything. That’s why I’m glad Hue’s gone, as well. This system is winning a Super Bowl in 2014. You guys won’t be complaining then.
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Sullivan has catapulted into one of the top 5 positive posters on here.
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MR new medication has been working great as of late.
I actually don’t see him as a troll anymore.
MR for comeback blogger of the year!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
U Meyer and his offense are not a good fit in the NFL IMO.
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but he has those trenchman blasting people off the ball
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I love what he did with my buckeyes, I think he is a great college coach, but that doesn’t mean it will translate to the NFL. Saban runs a pro offense (run oriented and good defense), and he struggled in the pros.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Gruden took a 4-12 team to 8-8.
Showed improvement and the next year also went 8-8 and lost many by only a couple points.
Anyone watching could see the intensity of those 8-8 teams.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
cp has been coming thru in the clutch with timely interceptions
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
and remember, Saban quit also to run to Alabama!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
DA has shown us what REGRESSION is all about folks!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Reggie picked DA. My question is what more did Reggie have on DA other than a gut feeling? Guys that have all the faith in Reggie, was it the right thing to do to hire DA? If so explain DA’s philosophies. Any changes on offense or defense that fits his philosophy? Find any diamonds in the rough yet? What is it that DA has as coach that will change the culture?
If DA goes do any players that remain have a chance to fit Reggie’s philosophies. As far as I remember every offensive lineman did better in a non-zone scheme. Does every player have to fit the scheme now or can they be coached?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Someone actually used Norv as an example of needing continuity? Lol. I hope SD keeps him!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
I’m not blaming CP3 for our losses, but he most certainly doesn’t get a free pass from me.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I think Duck and Bcz are related to the staff, McFadden needs more time to understand the game and the value of coaching, and Riff and Chico enjoy arguing.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Gruden took a 4-12 team to 8-8.
Showed improvement and the next year also went 8-8 and lost many by only a couple points.
Anyone watching could see the intensity of those 8-8 teams.
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It doesn’t matter the team was Loaded you can also bet the teams hands werem’t tied due to salary cap atleast not yet until AL’s later years he kept trading draft picks and giving big contracts, when he needed to just rebuild after 03 year
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I love what he did with my buckeyes, I think he is a great college coach, but that doesn’t mean it will translate to the NFL. Saban runs a pro offense (run oriented and good defense), and he struggled in the pros
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started the season off with the dolphins 3 and 7, finished the year 9 and 7, i thought he did a pretty good job
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
That’s why I don’t get all the slobbering over Chip Kelley. Phenomenal college coach……NFL? I have my doubts but, we’ll see next year. I’m sure he’s going to wind up somewhere in the league.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
The coaching carousel has been happening for the last 10 years and hasn’t done anything but keep any legit coaches from wanting to come here. There’s a reason RM had to go with an unknown like DA. A lot of these defensive players have been here for a while. They complained about having to be vanilla single high safety man to man. Now they get to blitz and play zone and nothing has changed. Still can’t stop the run and are actually worse against the pass. I think that is pretty indicative of the need to change the players. Do you think Belicheat could come in hear and turn this group into playmakers? The defensive side has been the problem for a long time, time to restock that side of the ball. The offense could be alright if they actually build in a scheme that fits the players strengths (meaning get Krapp the hell out). If not, they should trade DMAC for picks as he clearly can’t run in ZBS.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Mcfadden 20…are youon twitter with the same handle? Just asking…
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I think Duck and Bcz are related to the staff, McFadden needs more time to understand the game and the value of coaching, and Riff and Chico enjoy arguing.
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And the Green party keeps smoking strong!
Vote Green for the 2016
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Instead of making excuses for why the coaches aren’t that bad why not make a case for why they r good enough to stay? Can anybody think of one? I really can’t
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
we had only two years with less than 7 wins from early 70s to 98… we just just set a record going 5 or less wins in 7 straight years 03-09, you guys just wetted your panties after couple of fluke seasons, this team should have been rebuilt after every guy freaking retired after 02-03 seasons
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
WRs were open because they were routinely sending 6 or 7 guys after Weeden and had very few left in a spread zone to cover. If the team could generate a real rush with the base 4, you’d see a lot different coverages
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For one thing about this year, I love how everyone complained about Al Davis’s dated defensive scheme, but this year everyone is asking for natural pressure and man covereage.
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There are a couple things that this over generalizes. Al did believe firmly that your front 4 has to be able to generate pressure consistently without help. I think you’ll find that most, if not all of the top defenses do this. It’s not like it’s an inherently flawed concept.
Nothing about my statement said that I prefer a pure man scheme over more zone. A zone with 7 in coverage certainly can do a better job than a zone with 4 or 5 in coverage, no?
However the key point with what was called Al’s scheme is really an issue that I (and suppose many others) had with Bresnahan’s implementation. The main thing there was the predictibility and lack of adjustments. OCs ate that scheme alive in the 2nd half of the games. Nobody wants to return to that again!
The issue now is the operative word I used above regarding the blitzing: “routinely”. We were told that the DA/Tarver system would mix it up with the fronts and blitzes to keep the opponents off balance. In the Browns game, we saw very predictible blitzing on every key passing down. They also saw that, figured it out, and called the right plays to beat the blitz. You can claim that it was blown coverages, but the defensive players weren’t put in a position where they had a good chance to make the play.
Part of this problem is the rookie learning curve for the defensive coaching. Part of it is a lack of the right talent to give them more options. The learning curve can only be addressed through time and more games under their belts. The talent has to be looked in the offseason. That brings this home to my point that it is THE top priority to fill the gap that the 2010-2011 version of Seymour used to fill.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Which one of you is pghiconoclast? LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Seeing move involvement with real football players like Goodson and Burris. That’s one reason to keep coaches. They’re prioritizing actual football skill over physical attributes and 40 times. No scholarships.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
What has DA shown you guys to secure another season?
What?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
denver had a college style o last year but were winning because they were winning in the trenches, and because tebow is our savior
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
The notion that a “quality” HC won’t come a take Oakland’s 3 million a year GUARANTEED is laughable.
There are only 31 of these jobs around.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Mcfadden 20…are youon twitter with the same handle? Just asking…
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No, bro, No facebook or Twitter for me
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Which one of you is pghiconoclast? LOL
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WTF is that?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Im on twitter.
@BiggestRAiderFanEver3344
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Why would a guy who thinks he got plenty of potential come to Raiders when that guy could wait for a good opportunity with another team to atleast get 4 years
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
What’s important is that we don’t set our expectations too high. So basically if you expected more than 4 wins this season, you only have yourself to blame
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
lol….just one reason….anybody?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
think tebow would make a good mlb?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
What has DA shown you guys to secure another season?
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I’m cool with DA coming back.
Knapp and the Oline coach need to be replaced.
Cuzz I said so!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Mcfadden 20…are youon twitter with the same handle? Just asking…
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No, bro, No facebook or Twitter for me
Oh ok, there was this one girl that said she was married to @mcfadden20…that’s why I asked.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
We expected to do better, even i expected better season, but c’mon man you can’t get rid of coach without giving him a good chance, even teams like Pats and NYG make big splashes in FA and Draft to keep them at top, what could we have done?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
lol….just one reason….anybody?
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If Dennis Allen still sucks after 5 more years, then it’s ok to call him a bust
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Mark trusted his dads friends and hired reg… Reggie trusted his gut and hired DA.. DA trusted his tits and hired krap.. Does anybody use their brain around here?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
What has DA shown you guys to secure another season?
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I’m cool with DA coming back.
Knapp and the Oline coach need to be replaced.
Cuzz I said so!
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Not good enough J Heezy!
DA is in Texas right now, asking his daddy WTF should he do? Finish the season or just fire himself right now.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Who would you replace DA with?
I’m not in to retread HCs.
No to all the HC who have failed elsewhere.
Gruden is the only guy I would be cool with replacing DA.
Replace most of these damn players is what I’m on right now.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Mark trusted his dads friends and hired reg… Reggie trusted his gut and hired DA.. DA trusted his tits and hired krap.. Does anybody use their brain around here?
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guaranteed mark is back on the powder after this season
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Mcfadden 20…are youon twitter with the same handle? Just asking…
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No, bro, No facebook or Twitter for me
Oh ok, there was this one girl that said she was married to @mcfadden20…that’s why I asked.
– oh no, I’m not married lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
The Broncos may want to rest Manning this week. I bet they could beat the Raiders with their backup.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Look at the sorry arsse Lakers, lol.
D’Antonio is no better than Brown. You know why? Because we STILL have an issue at PG.
Darrius Morris????
LMFAO
Translate that to the Raiders.
Branch and Gio?????
LMFAO
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Who would you replace DA with?
I’m not in to retread HCs.
No to all the HC who have failed elsewhere.
Gruden is the only guy I would be cool with replacing DA.
Replace most of these damn players is what I’m on right now.
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HC – Shaw or Fangio
OC – Norv
DC – Romeo
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Who would you replace DA with?
I’m not in to retread HCs.
No to all the HC who have failed elsewhere.
Gruden is the only guy I would be cool with replacing DA.
Replace most of these damn players is what I’m on right now.
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aint feeling david shaw or mora jr.? and i’m about to give up on the lakers after 16 games, kobe’s window is just about sealed shut
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
You guys always think coaching makes difference blah, blah , but don’t you guys think those coaches brought their own players to that team? which game changer could this staff have brought? give me a freaking break, they had to cut their only decent pass rusher just so they could comply with cap rules
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Forget David Shaw coming to Oakland.
Read a story that Stanford is his dream job and David was talking to his pop, Willie, about creating a legacy at Stanford greater than any coach before him.
Of course, money does talk, but do you think McKenzie — known for his Packer penny-pinching ways — is going to pony up the bucks to pry David Shaw away from his dream job?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Look at the sorry arsse Lakers, lol.
D’Antonio is no better than Brown. You know why? Because we STILL have an issue at PG.
Darrius Morris????
LMFAO
Translate that to the Raiders.
Branch and Gio?????
LMFAO
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You need a coach!!!!
Just like our Oakland Raiders need a coach.
Should of kept Mike Brownn for CONTINUITY!!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
The team was rebuilt after the Superbowl hangover McFadden 20 remember to Marcus Russell Randy Moss all the losers we brought in that was the rebuild
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Should of kept Mike Brownn for CONTINUITY!!!!
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Boom-Shaka-Laka
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
You guys always think coaching makes difference blah, blah , but don’t you guys think those coaches brought their own players to that team?
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Its actually both, but fail to realize our team as REGRESSED under DA.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Forget David Shaw coming to Oakland.
Read a story that Stanford is his dream job and David was talking to his pop, Willie, about creating a legacy at Stanford greater than any coach before him.
Of course, money does talk, but do you think McKenzie — known for his Packer penny-pinching ways — is going to pony up the bucks to pry David Shaw away from his dream job?
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a struggling franchise like oakland is a perfect opportunity nowhwere to go but up. better $, no need to relocate your fam, you grew up a raider fan
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
now that DA has quit on the team, we can start discusding a real staff…gruden hc, trestman oc and at dc?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Forget David Shaw coming to Oakland.
Read a story that Stanford is his dream job and David was talking to his pop, Willie, about creating a legacy at Stanford greater than any coach before him.
Of course, money does talk, but do you think McKenzie — known for his Packer penny-pinching ways — is going to pony up the bucks to pry David Shaw away from his dream job?
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I think he’ll try, but there will be other teams probably going after him 2.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
mcfadden20
I would like to see what DA/Tarver could do with a Von Miller/Aldon Smith-like pass rusher at their disposal.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Only thing I can think is, When Cable and Hue had their successes, THEY were personally calling all the plays. DA isn’t……I’d go with a new OC before I’d give Allen the axe. But honestly, I’m having to search for a reason to keep him.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
The team was rebuilt after the Superbowl hangover McFadden 20 remember to Marcus Russell Randy Moss all the losers we brought in that was the rebuild
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That was reload, that’s always what AL’s philosophy was just reload, cuz he always thought his team was only a couple of players away from making the big dance, they didn’t groom anyone behind gannon, brought retreads like Collins and A brooks, what they needed to do was , hire a coach, start with draft well and build from there
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
The philosophy I gather for Both Reggie and DA were set with zero budge until failure Ensues. that is my interpretation. I could be wrong but I feel like that. That is why I don’t feel good about Reggie. he did not do what was working by keeping the coach and then he did not do what was best for the Raiders by not scheming to the offensive strenghts of the Raiders until failure ensued.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Brown was bad with a point guard that’s the difference
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
DMAC Says:
Which one of you is pghiconoclast? LOL
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WTF is that?
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Someone that got Tesla banned from here for white supremacy, according to Cork’s twitter feed.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
now that DA has quit on the team, we can start discusding a real staff…gruden hc, trestman oc and at dc?
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whoever the hc picks
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Al_is_theraiders
If a new staff does come aboard — I’m all for giving DA another year — Trestman as OC is good. Liked his offense when he was hear.
But a Gruden at HC and Bill Callahan at OC is the combo that got us nearly to the Super Bowl (Tuck Rule Game).
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Fair enough
Now tell me how the team is playing under DA?
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What I saw yesterday? I saw a team that competed. They did not get “blown out”. They just don’t have the horses. We had two undrafted guys hauling the rock, two starting WR’s dropping the rock and replaced by, well, two undrafted guys, we had a 6th round TE that had over 10 catches, we had a bunch of 3rd and 4th string guys in the secondary, and the difference to me in the game was the missed tackles we had on defense. I don’t blame Knapp, Allen, Tarver and McKenzie for that. That is something we have seen here for 10 years.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
jackasspuria Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
mcfadden20
I would like to see what DA/Tarver could do with a Von Miller/Aldon Smith-like pass rusher at their disposal.
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We all saw what Cable and Hue did w/ this team.
Now you got a chance to see what DA has done.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
You guys always think coaching makes difference blah, blah , but don’t you guys think those coaches brought their own players to that team?
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Its actually both, but fail to realize our team as REGRESSED under DA.
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LMAO WHO Was having all pro season before ? HAHAHA, besides the running game which is on KNapp, who would be fired after the end of the year
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Fair enough
Now tell me how the team is playing under DA?
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What I saw yesterday? I saw a team that competed. They did not get “blown out”.
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They played the schit stains which we haven’t lost 2 at home in years!!!!
LMAO
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
kc played inspired ball, maybe we need…. oh never mind
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Mcfadden 20…are youon twitter with the same handle? Just asking…
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No, bro, No facebook or Twitter for me
Oh ok, there was this one girl that said she was married to @mcfadden20…that’s why I asked.
– oh no, I’m not married lol
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Smart man. Too bad you are not smart enough to understand that pass rush in not the main problem. lol(joking)
1- coaching
2- lack of impact players/ talent
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DA as a DC had the Donkeys ranked 20th. Now that he’s gone, they’re in the top 10
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
What has DA shown you guys to secure another season?
What?
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Cable said he would fix the penalty problem. Hue swore that he would fix the penalty problem. They both failed miserably.
DA said he would tackle the penalty issue. He did, in his first year, despite the decade of culture to do otherwise. That one success alone proves that he can get tough things done that others have failed at. It gives him another year in my book to see what he can do with some perpuation of the culture he has started to plant.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Not saying that we have a great talent on the roster but………
Sooooooooooooooooooooooooo all of a sudden all are players just REGRESSED after 1 season???????
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Should of kept Mike Brownn for CONTINUITY!!!!
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Boom-Shaka-Laka
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
You see , Cable would have struggled with the team if he was not with the team year before , even Hue would have struggled too , he had all the offseason to lament what needed to change, that’s why continuity is important, sometimes you don’t need to change the head coach, changing OC and bring in pass rushers next year would do wonders
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Should of kept Mike Brownn for CONTINUITY!!!!
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Boom-Shaka-Laka
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
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Should of kept him around for another 5 years before we called him a bust a LA.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
When we lost to the Browns, i thought to myself it couldn’t be worse. Then i find out this morning that Greg Knapp is the coach. Real funny God
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DA as a DC had the Donkeys ranked 20th. Now that he’s gone, they’re in the top 10
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They also have the best defensive weapon that they’ve had in years this season: Peyton. Contrasted to the Tebow 3 and out circus, Peyton keeps the defense off the field and reduces the chances to move the bal against them.
It’s also worth mentioning that when DA took over the Denver defense, they were ranked like 31st and he moved them up 10 notches as a rookie DC. Whose to say that they aren’t still running a majority of the scheme that he put in place and honing it after a year of it under their belt?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DA as a DC had the Donkeys ranked 20th. Now that he’s gone, they’re in the top 10
== They were 20th cuz they had freaking Tim tebow going 3 n outs, don’t you think P Manning makes a difference?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Maybe Reggie’s gut will tell him to hireJack Del Rio…
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
What has DA shown you guys to secure another season?
What?
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Cable said he would fix the penalty problem. Hue swore that he would fix the penalty problem. They both failed miserably.
DA said he would tackle the penalty issue. He did, in his first year, despite the decade of culture to do otherwise. That one success alone proves that he can get tough things done that others have failed at. It gives him another year in my book to see what he can do with some perpuation of the culture he has started to plant.
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When you put it like that, I guess i’d be okay with double digit penalties per game again
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
What has DA shown you guys to secure another season?
What?
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Cable said he would fix the penalty problem. Hue swore that he would fix the penalty problem. They both failed miserably.
DA said he would tackle the penalty issue. He did, in his first year, despite the decade of culture to do otherwise. That one success alone proves that he can get tough things done that others have failed at. It gives him another year in my book to see what he can do with some perpuation of the culture he has started to plant.
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1. Started the season w/ replacement refs.
2. Stanford Routt is no longer around
3. False Start Barnes has been injured most of the year
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Hey Mcfadden20: Jinx!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DA as a DC had the Donkeys ranked 20th. Now that he’s gone, they’re in the top 10
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They also have the best defensive weapon that they’ve had in years this season: Peyton. Contrasted to the Tebow 3 and out circus, Peyton keeps the defense off the field and reduces the chances to move the bal against them.
It’s also worth mentioning that when DA took over the Denver defense, they were ranked like 31st and he moved them up 10 notches as a rookie DC. Whose to say that they aren’t still running a majority of the scheme that he put in place and honing it after a year of it under their belt?
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Also safe to say that John Fox had something to do with that also.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
not unless he plays safety…
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DA as a DC had the Donkeys ranked 20th. Now that he’s gone, they’re in the top 10
== They were 20th cuz they had freaking Tim tebow going 3 n outs, don’t you think P Manning makes a difference?
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They actually controlled the clock with Tebow
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Cable said he would fix the penalty problem. Hue swore that he would fix the penalty problem. They both failed miserably.
DA said he would tackle the penalty issue. He did, in his first year, despite the decade of culture to do otherwise. That one success alone proves that he can get tough things done that others have failed at. It gives him another year in my book to see what he can do with some perpuation of the culture he has started to plant
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very good point
my counterpoint is if there is a better guy available don’t you go after him?
reggie of course has the say and i could have read into it wrong but he didn’t seem happy with any aspect and sounded like he wanted to see how the season played out, losing to cleveland who hasn’t won on the road in 12 games doesn’t help DA’s case
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DA as a DC had the Donkeys ranked 20th. Now that he’s gone, they’re in the top 10
== They were 20th cuz they had freaking Tim tebow going 3 n outs, don’t you think P Manning makes a difference?
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The coaching staff in Dungver gets it.
You utilize the players that you have the best way you can to get production out of them.
We have some sorry ass coaches.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
What has DA shown you guys to secure another season?
What?
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Cable said he would fix the penalty problem. Hue swore that he would fix the penalty problem. They both failed miserably.
DA said he would tackle the penalty issue. He did, in his first year, despite the decade of culture to do otherwise. That one success alone proves that he can get tough things done that others have failed at. It gives him another year in my book to see what he can do with some perpuation of the culture he has started to plant.
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1. Started the season w/ replacement refs.
2. Stanford Routt is no longer around
3. False Start Barnes has been injured most of the year
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Dont forget not as much man coverage = less Pass interference
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
DA Tackled the penalty issue? More delusions.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Raider O Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Should of kept Mike Brownn for CONTINUITY!!!!
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Boom-Shaka-Laka
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
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Should of kept him around for another 5 years before we called him a bust a LA.
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Worked out well for Cleveland
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
No it became a rebuild the second we signed jemarcus Russell instead of Calvin Johnson
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Dan78 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Zymurge Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
What has DA shown you guys to secure another season?
What?
=====
Cable said he would fix the penalty problem. Hue swore that he would fix the penalty problem. They both failed miserably.
DA said he would tackle the penalty issue. He did, in his first year, despite the decade of culture to do otherwise. That one success alone proves that he can get tough things done that others have failed at. It gives him another year in my book to see what he can do with some perpuation of the culture he has started to plant.
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1. Started the season w/ replacement refs.
2. Stanford Routt is no longer around
3. False Start Barnes has been injured most of the year
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Dont forget not as much man coverage = less Pass interference
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Thanx
That should be #4
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
DA as a DC had the Donkeys ranked 20th. Now that he’s gone, they’re in the top 10
== They were 20th cuz they had freaking Tim tebow going 3 n outs, don’t you think P Manning makes a difference?
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They actually controlled the clock with Tebow
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No, he was goin running running running, first down, running, running , incomplete pass , punt, yeah ofcourse the game is shortened when you are running the ball, but the point is their D kept them in games and gave Tebow a chance to beat the other team
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Gotta run players
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears! (hire Hue)
Go Raiders! (DA must go)
Stay smoking my friends
Peace
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
No it became a rebuild the second we signed jemarcus Russell instead of Calvin Johnson
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The old man had dreams of Elway because he fell in love with Jamarcus arm and just drafted him , did he give him a WR? nope, did he give him Oline help nope? coaching continuity? Jamarcus RUssel wasn’t going to do anything but still AL D didn’t know the meaning of Rebuild, he just always thought if he could bring this big time guy his team will get over the hump , hence the Moss trade, Seymour trade
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Gotta run players
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears! (hire Hue)
Go Raiders! (DA must go)
Stay smoking my friends
Peace
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Later
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
No, he was goin running running running, first down, running, running , incomplete pass , punt, yeah ofcourse the game is shortened when you are running the ball, but the point is their D kept them in games and gave Tebow a chance to beat the other team
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That’s what i used to justify this hiring to myself at the begining of the season, they kept the Donks in the game. That weak $h!t don’t fly anymore now that an already horrible defense just got worse. An average offense over acheaving is now a garbage offense that is under acheaving
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
To the guy who was talking to Reggie yesterday, can you ask him what’s his thoughts on the draft prospects. Throw some names out.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Mark’s/Reggie/DA philosophy is lets hit rock bottom and then the Raiders can only go up from there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
2romes Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Mark’s/Reggie/DA philosophy is lets hit rock bottom and then the Raiders can only go up from there.
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Greg Knapps philosophy: “Darkness, let’s go to the Abyss”
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Smoking & Posting. S&P Amigo!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Pro Football Weekly: Jon Gruden in line to rejoin the Raiders in a “prominent” role
“Jon Gruden has been out of the NFL since his abrupt firing by the Buccaneers in 2008, when inside sources said the players turned against his hard coaching style. Known for his admiration of John Madden, many executives around the league believed Gruden was destined for a prime-time role in the broadcast booth and would seek to spend the rest of his career there, capitalizing on the naming rights involved with the video gaming world that reportedly have generated more than $100 million for Madden. While spending the past three seasons working for ESPN on Monday nights, Gruden also has not stopped spending extensive time grilling and getting to know the next batch of quarterbacks to come through the NFL in his annual “Gruden’s QB Camp” series, logic would indicate, in preparation for the next coaching opportunity. The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders’ organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and the Al Davis brand of football than anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faitering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.”
From Profootballweekly SOURCE
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/03/stafford-suffers-from-shotgun-overload
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SO none of you guys saw this this morning? I told you guys when GRUDEN came back to light the torch he spent 3 days with MARK DAVIS
PPL here were saying I needed to get over the GRUDEN thing and he wasnt coming back. Now a respected website in the game has heard this rumor. Im not saying its true..but where there is smoke there is FIYAHHHH!!
ive been saying to get GRUDEN as PRESIDENT OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Gruden took a 4-12 team to 8-8.
Showed improvement and the next year also went 8-8 and lost many by only a couple points.
Anyone watching could see the intensity of those 8-8 teams.
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It doesn’t matter the team was Loaded you can also bet the teams hands werem’t tied due to salary cap atleast not yet until AL’s later years he kept trading draft picks and giving big contracts, when he needed to just rebuild after 03 year
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Keep the excuses rolling!
I don’t care this team isn’t loaded – they don’t show intensity or progress. They got just rolled by the browns at home with Weeden and a coaching staff looking at pink slips.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
No, he was goin running running running, first down, running, running , incomplete pass , punt, yeah ofcourse the game is shortened when you are running the ball, but the point is their D kept them in games and gave Tebow a chance to beat the other team
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That’s what i used to justify this hiring to myself at the begining of the season, they kept the Donks in the game. That weak $h!t don’t fly anymore now that an already horrible defense just got worse. An average offense over acheaving is now a garbage offense that is under acheaving
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I will buy the O regressing, actually they have gotten better at running the ball even without a star running back, now they just have stupid play caller, gets away from the run game, and have the stupid receivers dropping the ball, but we didn’t see that last year because Hue kept the balance and didn’t expose how horrible our receivers are with 50+_ passing attempts in a close game, the D is another story, it’s not like we could have built our scheme around certain player, we couldn’t go 3-4 or 4-3 Got we got a few 3-4 playerz on the team McClain and Seymour than have certain players playing out of position,( Houston ) Kelly, Seymour, Wimbley = over 20 sacks combined, Kelly (more mileage on the body, year older,Seymour same as kelly can’t even practice cuz of sore knees, wimbley (not here because he was paid like a defensive player of the year
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
MarcusAllen Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Gruden took a 4-12 team to 8-8.
Showed improvement and the next year also went 8-8 and lost many by only a couple points.
Anyone watching could see the intensity of those 8-8 teams.
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It doesn’t matter the team was Loaded you can also bet the teams hands werem’t tied due to salary cap atleast not yet until AL’s later years he kept trading draft picks and giving big contracts, when he needed to just rebuild after 03 year
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Keep the excuses rolling!
I don’t care this team isn’t loaded – they don’t show intensity or progress. They got just rolled by the browns at home with Weeden and a coaching staff looking at pink slips.
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What intensity or progress did you see in team in last 6 games of last year with a lot on the line? Barely beat KC team in week 16 with every thing to play for lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
What’s the “vicious rumor” in Raider Nation? 95.7 just teased it. Anyone heard something? It’s supposedly pretty good.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
The D is garbage, we can agree. And i didn’t expect much from it this year. But to be fair, Reggie did add the most to this D, with Bartell, Spencer, GB practice Squad, Wheeler, Bilukidi, Burris, Crawford, etc…. while all budget picks i know, still have all failed to produce even the slightest improvement.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
What intensity or progress did you see in team in last 6 games of last year with a lot on the line? Barely beat KC team in week 16 with every thing to play for lol
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No lack of Talent pass for Hue?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
1434.DMAC Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
J Hill Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Look at the sorry arsse Lakers, lol.
D’Antonio is no better than Brown. You know why? Because we STILL have an issue at PG.
Darrius Morris????
LMFAO
Translate that to the Raiders.
Branch and Gio?????
LMFAO
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You need a coach!!!!
Just like our Oakland Raiders need a coach.
Should of kept Mike Brownn for CONTINUITY!!!!
++++++++++++++
WE WANTED PHIL!
WE WANTED PHIL!
JIM BUSS IS A TARD!
WE WANTED PHIL!
D’Antoni isn’t even as good as Bernie B!
What a joke.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
No lack of Talent pass for Hue?
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Apparently not. He’s gone. Why can’t you move on from that?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
The D is garbage, we can agree. And i didn’t expect much from it this year. But to be fair, Reggie did add the most to this D, with Bartell, Spencer, GB practice Squad, Wheeler, Bilukidi, Burris, Crawford, etc…. while all budget picks i know, still have all failed to produce even the slightest improvemen
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Same sh1t man, there isn’t a big time signing, you can’t expect to get better players with late round picks and 1 year contracts
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I don’t know what your idea of a rebuild is then.. Al Davis replaced the head coach brought in a rookie quarterback I believe gallery was brought in around that time as well… We completely gutted the Superbowl team and the replacements that we tried to glue the Superbowl team back together with, but our rebuild didn’t work because jawalrus and most all of als draft picks and fas are complete garbage ..
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I’m not talking about last year – that’s done and over with. There’s many new players and new staff. I only look at this year period.
What does DA hang his hat on? What? No excuses – just what has improved?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
WE WANT JON!
WE WANT JON!
WE WANT JON!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
What’s the “vicious rumor” in Raider Nation? 95.7 just teased it. Anyone heard something? It’s supposedly pretty good.
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Any word on that rumor?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
1421.The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
lol….just one reason….anybody?
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If Dennis Allen still sucks after 5 more years, then it’s ok to call him a bust
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So…give him 5 more yr’s and if we aren’t above at least 5 wins a yr. by then…we can start looking at other coaching options?
“10 and then” is really catching on.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
The D is garbage, we can agree. And i didn’t expect much from it this year. But to be fair, Reggie did add the most to this D, with Bartell, Spencer, GB practice Squad, Wheeler, Bilukidi, Burris, Crawford, etc…. while all budget picks i know, still have all failed to produce even the slightest improvemen
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Same sh1t man, there isn’t a big time signing, you can’t expect to get better players with late round picks and 1 year contracts
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They’re no worse that what we lost, why should there be regression on defense too.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Gallery was brought in 03, Jamarcus russel 06 ,DMC 08 DHB 09, Smart GM drafts players to help the Qb succeed, I’m not saying Jamarcus would have succeeded in a perfect environment, any player can succeed in any environment as long as he works hard, but just saying Al D didn’t know how to rebuild, he just knew how to reload
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.
Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
WE WANT JON!
WE WANT JON!
WE WANT JON!
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Sounds like a hooker on strike
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Dan78 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
What’s the “vicious rumor” in Raider Nation? 95.7 just teased it. Anyone heard something? It’s supposedly pretty good.
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Any word on that rumor?
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Pro Football Weekly is speculating that Gruden may be returning to the organization in a “prominent role,” whatever that means. Until we get more details, it could just be click-bait.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Phil was considering the offer.
LMAO @ The Fakers!
Go Clippers!
Go Cavs!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
The D is garbage, we can agree. And i didn’t expect much from it this year. But to be fair, Reggie did add the most to this D, with Bartell, Spencer, GB practice Squad, Wheeler, Bilukidi, Burris, Crawford, etc…. while all budget picks i know, still have all failed to produce even the slightest improvemen
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Same sh1t man, there isn’t a big time signing, you can’t expect to get better players with late round picks and 1 year contracts
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They’re no worse that what we lost, why should there be regression on defense too.
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I told you man , Wimbley, Kelly, and Seymour combined for 20+ sacks, 1 guy is out 2 guys are near their retirements, and also we didn’t face many good passing O’s last year
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Tp should be starting already.. cle would have been perfect timing. We need to evaluate. Think about the draft you fat idiot..
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Kobe to Gasol:
“Put your pants!”
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Dan78 Says:
Any word on that rumor?
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Yes, Profootballweekly wrote that Jon Gruden is rumored to be returning to the Raiders in a “prominent” role. Here’s a link to the rumor:
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/03/stafford-suffers-from-shotgun-overload
“The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders’ organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and the Al Davis brand of football than anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faitering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.”
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
1500.Dan78 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
What’s the “vicious rumor” in Raider Nation? 95.7 just teased it. Anyone heard something? It’s supposedly pretty good.
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Any word on that rumor?
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If it’s like the UT Vol forum’s rumors it is probaly some guy claiming he “has on good authority from trusted sources, that Jon Gruden has agreed in priciple to be the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders”.
10 yr’s 400 mill.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
No lack of Talent pass for Hue?
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Apparently not. He’s gone. Why can’t you move on from that?
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Just trying to understand the line of thinking when it’s the coaches fault and when it’s the players fault
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.
Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.
== uh who cares , I would wait until i hear from a real source not some one who wants Gruden every day
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Of course AL was still in chargers this was before the RAiders played the Redskins in that rainstorm.
in 2009 Al told Greg papa that GRUDEN had called him expressing that he wanted to come back. Jon had reached out to Al this was right before Al hired HUE in 2010. Papa said that HUE was really the coach in 2010.. but Cable had the title.
Greg told AL jokenly .. you would never hire JON back.. and AL said “im thinking about it” Im thinking about it”
Again Greg papa is saying this on 95.7 the game. Just letting u know. I really believe MARK DAVIS is gonna make a strong pitch for GRUDEN
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO OAKLAND!!!!!!!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
Until we get more details, it could just be click-bait.
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I agree. I’m calling bullsh!t on this one.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I think the line of thinking goes like this:
If Al Davis hired them, then it’s their fault
If Al Davis drafted or signed them, then it’s their fault
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
WE WANT JON!
WE WANT JON!
WE WANT JON!
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Sounds like a hooker on strike
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO!
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
R8eray Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO OAKLAND!!!!!!!!!
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Doubtful.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I’m thinking Tit’s father must be very seriously ill or near death.
Can’t see him leaving the team under any other circumstances.
I think Tits has done a very poor job as HC, but can still sympathize with him as a human being.
If it turns out his father isn’t seriously ill, then this ‘leave of absence’ – especially during a short week – raises questions as to what’s going on behind the scenes in Oakland as well as Tit’s mental status and viability moving forward.
The situation has to be extremely dire for an NFL HC to take time off during the season, even if his team is 3-9 and out of contention.
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
1504.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.
Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.
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Man. Dennis Allen is having a tough month. Now he has THIS to deal with?
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
How did nobody in here pick up on this rumor until 95.7 talked about it? It’s been on the web for nearly 3 hours. Weird.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
1520.RaiderDuck Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
R8eray Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
GRUDEN IS COMING BACK TO OAKLAND!!!!!!!!!
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Doubtful.
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C’mon Duck. Don’t be a buzzkill.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I wanted Hue back, I want DA back, I’m not even worried about that Because DA is here atleast 1 more year for sure, i just don’t get the reasoning behind coaching changes every year, just cuz there is 1 Jim or john Harbaugh in the league there are also plenty of coaches who showed nothing in their earlier years and went ahead and had pretty good careers, CHuck Noll, B Walsh, Jimmy Johnson, Belichick to name a few, I’m not saying DA will def turn out into a pretty good coach but why not freaking be patient and see what DA can do , well atleast give him a with a good salary cap situation and good draftand plenty of time to choose coaches? No? am i wrong for expecting that?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Here’s a trade for all of you to chew on: CP3, Dmac & we’ll throw in McCheese to Arizona for their 2013 1st & second round picks & 2014’s 1st round pick.
That would allow us to get Star Lotulelei, Manti Te’o & some other good talent on defense. We could resign Lienart as a stopgap & develop TP6 is there’s anything there to develop. Otherwise pickup a developmental QB in 2013 draft or go for a 1st rounder the following year.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
1523.RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
How did nobody in here pick up on this rumor until 95.7 talked about it? It’s been on the web for nearly 3 hours. Weird.
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Someone posted the link to the story earlier but the blurb on Gruden was kind of buried toward the end like it was no big deal.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Knowing the Raiders, we will accidentally hire Jay Gruden instead of Jon Gruden.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
I think the line of thinking goes like this:
If Al Davis hired them, then it’s their fault
If Al Davis drafted or signed them, then it’s their fault
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Well, FWIW, I do think the new regime has made some mistakes on players. All teams do. But then again, I don’t have intimate knowledge of why these decisions were made. They could mostly be driven by financial reasons. Or maybe the players we cut/traded flat out told the Raiders they didn’t want to be in Oakland any more. You just don’t know.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
If you are Jon Gruden, do you take the oakland job or the Eagles job?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
If Gruden goes anywhere it will be to the Philadelphia Eagles. He has family there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Could it be That’s why Allen skipped out on the team. Maybe he heard the rumor that Chucky maybe coming back and just packed it in…
Conspiracy theory just for thought…
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
FWIW?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Pro Football Weekly: Jon Gruden in line to rejoin the Raiders in a “prominent” role
“Jon Gruden has been out of the NFL since his abrupt firing by the Buccaneers in 2008, when inside sources said the players turned against his hard coaching style. Known for his admiration of John Madden, many executives around the league believed Gruden was destined for a prime-time role in the broadcast booth and would seek to spend the rest of his career there, capitalizing on the naming rights involved with the video gaming world that reportedly have generated more than $100 million for Madden. While spending the past three seasons working for ESPN on Monday nights, Gruden also has not stopped spending extensive time grilling and getting to know the next batch of quarterbacks to come through the NFL in his annual “Gruden’s QB Camp” series, logic would indicate, in preparation for the next coaching opportunity. The latest scuttlebutt in the league has Gruden, on the brink of turning age 50, in line to rejoin the Raiders’ organization in a prominent role. The franchise’s downturn can be traced directly back to his departure a decade ago, he has a relationship with GM Reggie McKenzie from their time together in Green Bay and he has an even better understanding of the infrastructure in Oakland and the Al Davis brand of football than anyone in football. With more autonomy to run the organization how he sees fit, adapting a model that Davis taught him, Gruden is very well-positioned to resurrect a faitering franchise that went 0-for-November and has yet to win a game since owner Mark Davis put everyone on notice and said he was not pleased with the direction of the team.”
From Profootballweekly SOURCE
http://www.profootballweekly.com/2012/12/03/stafford-suffers-from-shotgun-overload
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SO none of you guys saw this this morning? I told you guys when GRUDEN came back to light the torch he spent 3 days with MARK DAVIS
PPL here were saying I needed to get over the GRUDEN thing and he wasnt coming back. Now a respected website in the game has heard this rumor. Im not saying its true..but where there is smoke there is FIYAHHHH!!
ive been saying to get GRUDEN as PRESIDENT OF FOOTBALL OPERATIONS
I JUST POSTED THE RAIDER RUMOR
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Knowing the Raiders, we will accidentally hire Jay Gruden instead of Jon Gruden.
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LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
GREG PAPA was just on 95.7 the game talking about this rumor.. Said last time GRUDEN came to Rickeys few yrs ago he had called papa and they all went down there.
Papa said GRUDEN openely talked about coming back to the Raiders and Papa was surpised to hear that.. Papa said Gruden described it as “UNFINISHED BUSINESS” also papa says he thinks Gruden would want to be the signal caller.
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Don’t do it man……I just got a flash of excitement in entertaining that thought…. Not gonna go there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Well now you’re just twisting things.. It was a rebuild that’s it … weather it was successful or not is of no consequence.. And Al wasn’t really good at rebuilding or reloading.. he hasn’t been any good since free agency began..
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Seasons like John Harbaugh , M Tomlin happen because they came into pretty good situations , D’s, Indy situation was way better than ours, ofcourse they went 1-15 with 3rd string qb, who wouldn’t go 1-15 with a 3rd string, LOL they had better situation than us , got a good QB and back in the playoffs, Rams, have good situation , they drafted players on D line and had money to get CB help, who got like 5 years 50 M contract? the most most we could throw out was 20M for 5 years of Briesel
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
if chucky is even entertaining the idea…we need to fire DA quickly….
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Dakota Says:
FWIW?
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For what it’s worth? LOL Know your acronyms, pal!
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
No!!! we can’t move on because the first step to rebuilding is admitting your past mistakes. Getting rid of Hue was a big mistake!!! Raiders fans that waited for the Raiders to becomes competitive again should not be subjected to failure again because the new regime deems failure to be progress!!!
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The_Judge37 Says:
No lack of Talent pass for Hue?
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RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Apparently not. He’s gone. Why can’t you move on from that?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
OF COURSE ANOTHER INTERESTING TIDBIT GREG PAPA DROPPED***
Of course AL was still in charge this was before the RAiders played the Redskins in that rainstorm.
in 2009 Al told Greg papa that GRUDEN had called him expressing that he wanted to come back. Jon had reached out to Al this was right before Al hired HUE in 2010. Papa said that HUE was really the coach in 2010.. but Cable had the title.
Greg told AL jokenly .. you would never hire JON back.. and AL said “im thinking about it” Im thinking about it”
Again Greg papa is saying this on 95.7 the game. Just letting u know. I really believe MARK DAVIS is gonna make a strong pitch for GRUDEN
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
why are you guys getting my hopes up? lmao…too much heartbreak with this team….go get gruden!
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Marks hair Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Well now you’re just twisting things.. It was a rebuild that’s it … weather it was successful or not is of no consequence.. And Al wasn’t really good at rebuilding or reloading.. he hasn’t been any good since free agency began..
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since they set salary cap rules you mean?> Al was never good at rebuilding, when did he groomed a back up qb or back up running back or groomed a WR to take over when T brown retires? never, Salary cap caught up with him and all he could do was trade his draft picks if he wanted to aquire talent
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Greg Papa said nobody right now could come in and give the fans more excitment then JON GRUDEN. MARK DAVIS loves JON
Said that place would be sold out next week if they knew JON was in a box or on the sidelines
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Anything other than Head coach is not really a prominent Role for Gruden. Especially when they finally let him have a say in players, he rolled with Chris Simms
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
This season has certainly demonstrated at least one thing to me:
If your team looks like shyyyyt in the preseason, they will look like schyyyyt in the regular season too.
Losing games is one thing, but looking putrid when your starters are in is another ball game. The warning signs were there.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Dakota Says:
FWIW?
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For what it’s worth? LOL Know your acronyms, pal!
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I don’t know what it meant either, but usually, if it’s not important enough to spell out, then just skip it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Would love to have Chucky roaming the sidelines…
Childs Play 2…
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
1540.RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Dakota Says:
FWIW?
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For what it’s worth? LOL Know your acronyms, pal!
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Sorry.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster
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Getting to 8-8 would already double the success of DA
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I don’t believe that Mark Davis is even talking to Gruden. This is a rumor that’s just made up to get the locals fired up. Mark Davis is a puppet of other people’s football opinions. He has no strong opinion on any of the football operations. He’s trusted his organization to make the right calls and has stepped aside and let Reggie run the show. I don’t think he’s got the backbone or the balls to go over Reggie’s head and make a play for Chucky.
Just my 2 cents.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Its crazy but DA high chance will be gone next year
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
again 90s team was loaded with talent, they under-achieved , as many guys have came out and said that , they were surprised the 90s Raiders didn’t win any superbowls, good luck with this Roster
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
PAPA just texted JON GRUDEN in the commercial break.
Papa textd him “RAIDER RUMORS RAMPANT you are coming back”
JON texted him back “YOU and I did do some damage back in the day”
thats all he wrote LOL. NO joke
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
2romes Says:
No!!! we can’t move on because the first step to rebuilding is admitting your past mistakes.
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Jesus fkn christ. When did running an NFL franchise become a twelve step program? They don’t have to admit a gawddam thing.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
more than double DAs success…
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster
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Getting to 8-8 would already double the success of DA
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With way more talent dude? 90s teams were stacked, DA’s team is freaking guys playing out of position and no depth at all
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
papa said he was joking about the text with a half laugh. u never know
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
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December 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
1543.Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
why are you guys getting my hopes up? lmao…too much heartbreak with this team….go get gruden!
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I already had my heart broken when the Lakers turned their backs on Phil Jackson…..I don’t know if I could take serious Gruden rumors and then they end up not hiring him.
I have high blood pressure!
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Al_is_theraiders Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
more than double DAs success…
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That’s doubtful , but it wouldn’t say much if he just gets 1 more victory than a ROokie coach lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Sounds like he’s cryptically equating Raider return rumors to getting high or drunk. Doesn’t sound like this rumor has any legs. Sorry.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster
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Getting to 8-8 would already double the success of DA
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With way more talent dude? 90s teams were stacked, DA’s team is freaking guys playing out of position and no depth at all
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Hate to keep bringing up u know who, but a less talented coach did last year with an equally untalented Roster. So i pray for the day we can be 8-8 againn
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
like i said Mark davis always has JON GRUDENS ear
btw in the mean time here is Jon gruden back in OAKLAND for the torch lightening
Vid from the preseason game GREAT FOOTAGE
http://youtu.be/n5D_12sjLlk
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Here is jon light’n the torch in oakland few weeks ago
http://youtu.be/THqXZIGFzTA
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Prior to Sundays game against the Browns Reggie told DA that if he were to lose the game, immediately after the game we will have a black limo waiting for him outside and that will be his last game as a coach in Oakland.
Gruden is in DC right now, immediately after his Monday Night game he will a black limo waiting outside. He’ll have a direct flight from Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport to Oakland to Coach Thursday’s Night game vs the Broncos.
I like!
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
and if jon gruden wasnt good.. that means DA will never be good
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice
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Wow, you can defend Dennis Allen while discrediting Jon Gruden? You sir, have talent. I almost respect this post now.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Gruden went 8-8 2 years with more talent, good luck dreaming of SB’s with this roster
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Getting to 8-8 would already double the success of DA
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With way more talent dude? 90s teams were stacked, DA’s team is freaking guys playing out of position and no depth at all
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Hate to keep bringing up u know who, but a less talented coach did last year with an equally untalented Roster. So i pray for the day we can be 8-8 againn
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equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
nice fairy tale.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice
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One more time, just because i cannot get over the AWESOMENESS of this post. It raped my mind
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Bottom line, and I know the Raiders organization couldn’t care less for what’s written or said by fans, however one just never knows, if so, the one thing we fans need to do is to stop making excuses for the team.
We get enough excuses already from the organization, don’t give the organization a pass. If you go to the game on Thursday let them know you won’t take mediocrity from anyone, make yourselves heard regardless of the outcome. Stop making excuses, get done or get out of Oaktown.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice
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Wow, you can defend Dennis Allen while discrediting Jon Gruden? You sir, have talent. I almost respect this post now.
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I am not defending DA , I’m just saying we need continuity, Gruden hasn’t shown he can lead a rebuilding team to anywhere, 90s teams were stacked, he would just add up veterans again and it would crumble down once those guys retire, just like what happened after 02 year
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Gruden might bring in Monte Kiffin for DC heard he was looking to get back in the nfl.
hahahaha
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side
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Equally weak schedule, unequally WEAK results
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
am not defending DA , I’m just saying we need continuity, Gruden hasn’t shown he can lead a rebuilding team to anywhere, 90s teams were stacked, he would just add up veterans again and it would crumble down once those guys retire, just like what happened after 02 year
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Wouldn’t gruden help bring better quality players?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Would you keep driving the wrong way down a one way street? Or would you admit it is a wrong way street and get off? You may be a bit stubburn so I can see a highway pile up.
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RaidingTexas Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Jesus fkn christ. When did running an NFL franchise become a twelve step program? They don’t have to admit a gawddam thing.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I would be excited for a good coach but Gruden seriously wasn’t that good, It’s not like he went to supebowl in his first year, 90s team was always around 8-10 wins except for the 98 season, it was talented only reason we didn’t make things happen was because he kept getting rid of coaches, keep gruden longer than 2 years was Als best choice
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One more time, just because i cannot get over the AWESOMENESS of this post. It raped my mind
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What did gruden did with TB, once TOngy Dungys players retired ? once Sapp, Rice, and that MLB retired, nothing? he was fired
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
mctroll20 has that effect…lmao…garbage out of his keyboard
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
1564.guest123 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Sounds like he’s cryptically equating Raider return rumors to getting high or drunk. Doesn’t sound like this rumor has any legs. Sorry.
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Papa said he was joking about the Gruden text.
IF Gruden did respond that way then i would say you’re right…it’s just a joke.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I’m not going to get swept up in the Gruden Rumors. Frankly, i’d just be happy if they fired every coach they have now, and replaced them with ASK Madden
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Why would Gruden come back if he wasn’t going to coach. That Pro Football Weekly article is bunk, unless Reggie was to get fired, which isn’t going to happen.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side
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Equally weak schedule, unequally WEAK results
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I was talking about last year, stop defending the team that went 1-4 in last 5 games last year, that team sucked, and this team s8cks, it wouldn’t get better until we add better players
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
guest123 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I don’t believe that Mark Davis is even talking to Gruden. This is a rumor that’s just made up to get the locals fired up. Mark Davis is a puppet of other people’s football opinions. He has no strong opinion on any of the football operations. He’s trusted his organization to make the right calls and has stepped aside and let Reggie run the show. I don’t think he’s got the backbone or the balls to go over Reggie’s head and make a play for Chucky.
Just my 2 cents.
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Yup. It’s Reggie’s call. And Reg ain’t going for it.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Pro Football Weekly @ProFootballWkly
#Bills announce that they have released veteran LB Kirk Morrison. Had not played in a game this season.
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Sign him up Reggie!
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
With Gruden u never know.. BUt papa was serious when he told that story about GRUDEN and AL
It was obvious on his other point though HUE JAX was coach in 2010. Cable just had the title.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side
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Equally weak schedule, unequally WEAK results
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I was talking about last year, stop defending the team that went 1-4 in last 5 games last year, that team sucked, and this team s8cks, it wouldn’t get better until we add better players
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Stop defending a team thats on a 5 game losing streak.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Why you guys get so excited about Gruden, seriously? when he’s the one responsible for downward spiral of not just 1 franchise but 2
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Why would Gruden come back if he wasn’t going to coach. That Pro Football Weekly article is bunk, unless Reggie was to get fired, which isn’t going to happen.
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Definetly wouldn’t want Gruden as a GM or anykind of Football Consultant. Head Coach or stick to knob slobbing QB’s on MNF
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Pro Football Weekly @ProFootballWkly
#Bills announce that they have released veteran LB Kirk Morrison. Had not played in a game this season.
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Sign him up Reggie!
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While we are talking about AL , he said Kirk was a favorite and would always welcome him back home.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
equally weak schedule, just scoring 3-5 less points thats all there it is , new OC would take this Offense back to flying high, we’re good with a D minded coach, just need to give him some shiny toys to work on that side
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Equally weak schedule, unequally WEAK results
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I was talking about last year, stop defending the team that went 1-4 in last 5 games last year, that team sucked, and this team s8cks, it wouldn’t get better until we add better players
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Stop defending a team thats on a 5 game losing streak.
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Not defending it at all, the talent s8cks, i would give DA chance with more salary cap and draft picks to work with , it’s just simple as that
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
ok gruden is a rumor. But that is besides the point.
The real point is
DA is already in the hot seat.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Not defending it at all, the talent s8cks, i would give DA chance with more salary cap and draft picks to work with , it’s just simple as that
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So that lack of talent had nothing to do with them going 1-4 down the stretch last year? Just this year huh?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Paul Gutierrez @PGutierrezCSN
#Raiders OC Greg Knapp says there was a package of plays ready for #TerrellePryor vs #Browns, but the opportunity never presented itself
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Once they fell behind, you know Pryor wasn’t coming in the game. Maybe next week when they are losing 28-0
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
The value of this franchise is sinking almost by the game. Getting Gruden to come back fills the seats and stops the hemorrhaging. It’s SOMETHING for Davis to hang his hat on, especially if he wants to sell the team. Hell, one more dismal, non competitive loss and he may not even wait until the offseason. Such a move would also establish Mark’s bona fides.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Judging a guy after 1 year is kinda stupid , unless we were a superbowl team last year, freaking team wasn’t good last year, had 1 win against good team , couldn’t win games when everything was on the line, SF would have regretted letting B Walsh go after 2-14 season , Cowboys would have regretted their decision if they had let JJ go after 1-15 season, you can’t really tell much about a rookie coach after 1 year, you don’t know what you got in him, but atleast give him chance with better situation in offseason
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
The stars might be aligning…
Short week, 3 defensive players are concussed, Peyton coming in to provide the beat down.
Halftime score should be enough that TP gets to play.
He has ready made excuses only needs to flash once or twice and hope he survives.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Paul Gutierrez @PGutierrezCSN
#Raiders OC Greg Knapp says there was a package of plays ready for #TerrellePryor vs #Browns, but the opportunity never presented itself
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Once they fell behind, you know Pryor wasn’t coming in the game. Maybe next week when they are losing 28-0
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Knapp has already said he doesn’t want Palmer throwing more than 70-75 passes a game. So he would consider bringing in Pryor in relief if Carson were to exceed that.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Adam Caplan @caplannfl
Bills announced that they waived LB Kirk Morrison.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Not defending it at all, the talent s8cks, i would give DA chance with more salary cap and draft picks to work with , it’s just simple as that
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So that lack of talent had nothing to do with them going 1-4 down the stretch last year? Just this year huh?
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Lack of talent has everything to do with last 10 years , there happy?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Definetly wouldn’t want Gruden as a GM or anykind of Football Consultant. Head Coach or stick to knob slobbing QB’s on MNF
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Agreed.
HC or nothing.
HC with A LOT of “power” is fine too.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
DA is lane kiffin with KNAPP. Josh Mcdaniels type,
U think DA is the kind of DC Steve SPAGS was?
how did that turn out for the Rams. Oh ya thats right they went and got a real coach.
DA will be gone in 2 yrs
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I’m not going to get swept up in the Gruden Rumors. Frankly, i’d just be happy if they fired every coach they have now, and replaced them with ASK Madden
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lol. can’t be worse than Knapp on O. Defense – that’s a personnel issue. Autodraft?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Vic Tafur @VicTafur
Coordinator Jason Tarver said #Raiders defense “played with passion. That doesn’t mean we were correct all the time.”
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December 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Judging a guy after 1 year is kinda stupid , unless we were a superbowl team last year, freaking team wasn’t good last year, had 1 win against good team , couldn’t win games when everything was on the line, SF would have regretted letting B Walsh go after 2-14 season , Cowboys would have regretted their decision if they had let JJ go after 1-15 season, you can’t really tell much about a rookie coach after 1 year, you don’t know what you got in him, but atleast give him chance with better situation in offseason
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You seem to have no problem with judging Hue after one year. Norv Turner, Art Shell, Lane Kiffin all got one year too many
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
r8eray Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Prior to Sundays game against the Browns Reggie told DA that if he were to lose the game, immediately after the game we will have a black limo waiting for him outside and that will be his last game as a coach in Oakland.
Gruden is in DC right now, immediately after his Monday Night game he will a black limo waiting outside. He’ll have a direct flight from Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport to Oakland to Coach Thursday’s Night game vs the Broncos.
I like!
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Lmao. Seriously, keep this stuff comin’. More fun than the current state of the team that’s for sure.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
What??????
Kirk Morrison released before 55????
Rockstar is not going to be happy.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
i think he really is dennis allens son…my bad mcxcuse20…
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Knapp has already said he doesn’t want Palmer throwing more than 70-75 passes a game. So he would consider bringing in Pryor in relief if Carson were to exceed that.
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70-75? I don’t think any QB ever throws that many passes.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
DA was up and coming coach , he would have gotten a head coaching job in year or 2, 1 year isn’t enough to show anything, Freaking Jason Campbell had better record than Palmer now would guys pick Jason Campbell over Palmer , hell no, there are many things go into it, i believe Cable or Hue wouldn’t even have gotten chance to become head coaches anywhere if not for AL
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Mark Davis was in a rage yesterday, Speaking to McKenzie today
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Mark Davis said “this sucks” “it absolutely sucks” Mark Davis want’s changes not just next year but this year
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Mark Davis IMO is not going to fire Allen but he wants to see changes, I think we are going to see changes on the roster,maybe even at QB
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Knapp has already said he doesn’t want Palmer throwing more than 70-75 passes a game. So he would consider bringing in Pryor in relief if Carson were to exceed that.
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70-75? I don’t think any QB ever throws that many passes.
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“Sounds like a wager?” – Greg Knapp
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Paul Gutierrez @PGutierrezCSN
#Raiders OC Greg Knapp says there was a package of plays ready for #TerrellePryor vs #Browns, but the opportunity never presented itself
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He wouldn’t know opportunity if it bit him the a$$
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
That doesn’t mean we were correct all the time.”
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We ALL know our football team has a low football IQ.
So do we really blame the coaches for BLOWN ASSIGNMENTS???
Gruden on board??? Yeah, fire everyone.
Outside of that, focus on upgrading the talent. Need to upgrade the talent regardless.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
DA was not an up n coming coach. They are just his collegaues.. what are they suppose to say.
Skip bayless is right, btw he use to cover the team. Tim tebow got DA his job in OAKLAND THIS YEAR. That team was 1-4 and defense was average till tebow came in and started managing the game with the run.
BTW remember what Palmer did to the BRONCOS last year on 1 weeks practice?? DA’s defense LMAO
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
The fact is the Raiders are worst this year than last year. My assessments are from the decline in offense, defense, and special team production not based on the dislike of Reggie and DA. Last year it was like ok the Raider got to get better on defensive. now it like where do the Raiders start. Sad!!!
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Judging a guy after 1 year is kinda stupid , unless we were a superbowl team last year, freaking team wasn’t good last year, had 1 win against good team , couldn’t win games when everything was on the line, SF would have regretted letting B Walsh go after 2-14 season , Cowboys would have regretted their decision if they had let JJ go after 1-15 season, you can’t really tell much about a rookie coach after 1 year, you don’t know what you got in him, but atleast give him chance with better situation in offseason
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You seem to have no problem with judging Hue after one year. Norv Turner, Art Shell, Lane Kiffin all got one year too many
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I am not judging them , i wanted Hue back and give him a chance, that didn’t mean i had full confidence in Hue, but you never know how things would turn out, it’s just these guys are annoying as f8k with comparisons and already making up their minds that DA will never amount to anything, Pretty sure if these guys were fans of those teams when B Walsh and Jimmy Johnson were rookies they would probably said the same thing
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Mark Davis was in a rage yesterday, Speaking to McKenzie today
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Mark Davis said “this sucks” “it absolutely sucks” Mark Davis want’s changes not just next year but this year
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Mark Davis IMO is not going to fire Allen but he wants to see changes, I think we are going to see changes on the roster,maybe even at QB
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Stfu quit stirring the spot, gtfo here
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:43 pm
When Tarver was at podium all those hacks in that media room had a shot at asking about Rolando…*crickets*…if that PC was in NY there wouldnt be a question asked of him without Rolandos name mentioned…I mean Tarver even smiled and baited them, saying about how unique,..on and off he field…not one of those Jerrys, or Pauls or Steves had the guts to ask why Rolando is banned from the building…hey hacks,..is that free food spread there really worth losing? By the way, still dont know Tarvers first name, I like the dude though! Oh by the way, all those guys had a free shot at Knapp,..not one of them asked about the dreaded ZBS,…all year long all we hear is about how horrible the ZBS is,..killed the team,…not a single hack asked Knapp about it,..amazing.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Knapp has already said he doesn’t want Palmer throwing more than 70-75 passes a game. So he would consider bringing in Pryor in relief if Carson were to exceed that.
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I heard that when CP hurt his thumb they had him working on his left handed throwing. That way he can get up into that 70+ pitch count without worrying about wearing his arm down
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
1614.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Mark Davis was in a rage yesterday, Speaking to McKenzie today
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Mark Davis said “this sucks” “it absolutely sucks” Mark Davis want’s changes not just next year but this year
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Mark Davis IMO is not going to fire Allen but he wants to see changes, I think we are going to see changes on the roster,maybe even at QB
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Is this reliable?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Walsh may have gone 2-14 his first year in SF, but that team was 2-14 the year before AND they lost by less than a TD in 5 games and werecompetative in all but two game….where they lost by 22 and 16 points respectively.
DA and the 2012 Raiders? 8-8 the year before, and have now lost games by 22, 31, 35, 21 and 24 points…..
…..Bill Walsh had his guys ready to play every week…..DA has given us nothing but trash….and to compound it, he has dones so in the era of parity lol.
Its not that DA is losing games, it is that the team looks lost in doing so. There is nearly ZERO progress.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
well even if regressed this year for whatever reeason you want to use, too early to call DA a failure, i seen plenty of coaches who make big jumps in their 2nd and 3rd years , give him a chance, grass isn’t always green on the other side as we found out with B Callahan, i bet you guys were like oh B Callahan is better than Gruden after he took them to the playoffs lol
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
You seem to have no problem with judging Hue after one year. Norv Turner, Art Shell, Lane Kiffin all got one year too many
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It wasn’t “judging” Hue. New regimes often bring in new HCs. Reggie said they were going in a different direction and Hue didn’t fit with that plan. It’s as simple as that.
I’m not sure why you guys keep thinking they judged him after one season. There was complete turnover from the top down, including owner.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
We finally give our HC a chance to pick his staff and he burns us, lol oh the irony.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
knapp and tarver know they are gone…they dont care what they say or do anymore…
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
DJ,..none of thats reliable,..Mark was in no rage,..neither were any of the players either. Ya feel me?
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Bill Walsh,..you think Bill would have been the genius if some other team drafted Joe before he got to him?…the N
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Walsh may have gone 2-14 his first year in SF, but that team was 2-14 the year before AND they lost by less than a TD in 5 games and werecompetative in all but two game….where they lost by 22 and 16 points respectively.
DA and the 2012 Raiders? 8-8 the year before, and have now lost games by 22, 31, 35, 21 and 24 points…..
…..Bill Walsh had his guys ready to play every week…..DA has given us nothing but trash….and to compound it, he has dones so in the era of parity lol.
Its not that DA is losing games, it is that the team looks lost in doing so. There is nearly ZERO progress.
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It looked like that because I don’t think SF drafted guys blindly on D based on their 40 times, this D has been ranked in bottom 5 or 10 , 10 years in running , we are paying for Al’s stupid salary cap, do you really believe the team wanted to go with Shaughnessy and Houston as their pass rushers? Nope , they had no choice, Rolando as MLB? Nope , but had no choice, I believe DA and TArver both came from 3-4 Ds, did they really wanted to go with 4-3 , not sure , but they had no choice but stick with players on the roster, Bill Walsh won only 6 games in 2nd year, not much improvement…Chuck Noll went 3 straight years under 8 wins
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
The one year experiment with reggie and DA is making peoples mind up. I said from the beginning all Reggie and DA had to do is ,what do you guys call it, get to an easy 8-8 finish against weak teams.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
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Is this reliable?
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it was posted on another raider board by a relaible source. They basically called what happened in the Rolando situation.
Rolando challenged DA to do something.. Da challenged him back and ROlando backed down. Take it with a grain of salt.. btw McFadden20 is a known troll. he is Da’s relative
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
…The Niners passed on Joe that draft before they finally took a flier,..Bill Walsh got lucky because Joe became the best QB ever,…period.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Here’s a deal.
Raiders stop embarrassing the fanbase and we’ll stop having to resort to rumors to entertain us and give us hope…however unfounded that hope might be.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Mark had rage on flight from Cincy ya thats real,…so says Poole anyway, and I believe it,..however Monte Poole is a douchebag in real life.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
BTW its gonna take DA 2 years to = HUE JACKSONS 1 yr WIN TOTAL.
thats if he is lucky. Might have himself up to 4 wins next year.
HEY BUT DA IS AN UP n COMING COACH according to the known troll Mcfadden20. We all know he is related to DA
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Like I said this morning,..I firmly believe DA is gone after the year and its partly his idea,…I think he realized hes not HC material,…but told Reg he will finish the year,…Reggie is right now trying his best to lure Shaw,..but he will lose to daddys boy Irsay, the mad texter,..Shaw and Luck will be reunited. Heck I bet Irsay secretly happy his head coach is going to die just so he can get this done.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
DA is lane kiffin with KNAPP. Josh Mcdaniels type,
U think DA is the kind of DC Steve SPAGS was?
how did that turn out for the Rams. Oh ya thats right they went and got a real coach.
DA will be gone in 2 yrs
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Tits resume doesn’t compare to Spags when he got that job…Tits was NOT successful as the Donkos DC. There is no argument.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
“Oh by the way, all those guys had a free shot at Knapp,..not one of them asked about the dreaded ZBS,…all year long all we hear is about how horrible the ZBS is,..killed the team,…not a single hack asked Knapp about it,..amazing.”
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I dunno. Maybe because that’s a false statement? The team averaged over 5 ypc behind the ZBS against the Browns with a converted FB and undrafted, practice squad RB. With the same two runners they managed a respectable 4.5 ypc against the leagues #11 run defense.
It’s obvious to anyone that isn’t blindly repeating the “it’s Knapp’s fault” mantra now that the system isn’t the problem, it was the guy running in that system.
Now if the media had any kahones they’d be asking why the highly paid, star RB can’t meet the same success that the scrubs can in this system. I’d LOVE to hear Knapp’s response to that question!
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
DJ Johnny Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
1614.RaidersAllday_LtsGeTit Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Report: Mark Davis was in a rage yesterday, Speaking to McKenzie today
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Mark Davis said “this sucks” “it absolutely sucks” Mark Davis want’s changes not just next year but this year
Oakland Raiders News@RaiderNewsFlash
Mark Davis IMO is not going to fire Allen but he wants to see changes, I think we are going to see changes on the roster,maybe even at QB
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Is this reliable?
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That guy is not reliable. He didn’t even know about the Reggie presser when I asked him what time it was.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I agree it looks like the JOB is really getting to DA.. where HUE EMBRACED the challenges.. DA is quiet and worried.
I wouldnt be suprises if he eventually gives up. I really think DA underestimated this fan base.. and Mark Davis himself.
THINK AINT DONKEY land up in dnever
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Is this reliable?
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That guy is not reliable. He didn’t even know about the Reggie presser when I asked him what time it was.
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doesnt mean he is not legit.. he gets fed news from his source that works with the team.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
I think it’s weird that Allen didn’t even tell the players he was leaving for a couple of days.
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
exactly..Albert.. I just dont think he has a close relationship with his players
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Dakota Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Walsh may have gone 2-14 his first year in SF, but that team was 2-14 the year before AND they lost by less than a TD in 5 games and werecompetative in all but two game….where they lost by 22 and 16 points respectively.
DA and the 2012 Raiders? 8-8 the year before, and have now lost games by 22, 31, 35, 21 and 24 points…..
…..Bill Walsh had his guys ready to play every week…..DA has given us nothing but trash….and to compound it, he has dones so in the era of parity lol.
Its not that DA is losing games, it is that the team looks lost in doing so. There is nearly ZERO progress.
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Bill Walsh coached in the era before the salary cap with an owner that had no shame in having the highest payroll, largest money losing team in order to win championships. He never had to deal with the questions around whether to keep starters because of cap problems. That team overpaid to keep every single player that they wanted. Hell, that team paid Steve Young $3M per year (like in the top 5 for QBs at the time) to sit on the bench for 3 years just so they could have an heir to Montana down the road.
It was the best team money could buy. Totally apples to volkswagens comparison to what DA had to face this year with all of the cap fixing forced cuts and lack of quality replacements.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Whether you’re on the side of the players or coaches, one thing we can all agree on is this is one HUGE $h!t Storm.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Name one area on the team that has improved under this coaching staff.
Penalties????? Even that is now up and down.
We did not lose that much talent. Bush isn’t doing that well in Chicago….Routt is out of the NFL….Wimbley is about the only player with talent we miss. Satele wasn’t great when he was here.
DA didn’t lose enough talent on this team to justify losing so badly so often. He made the wrong choice in hiring Knapp and Tarver, and now he has a choice….make changes or he and Reggie are going down with those assistants after next season.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Did you all not hear me?…what I said this morning?…DA has checked out…hes done.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
And in other news….Kirk Morrison just got waived by Buffalo!
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Where is DA really going?
To interview for the Vols coaching job?
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
NFL.com stats show raiders rank #29 rushing…
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
DA will finish out the string, but hes checked out, Reg knows it, has been told,…DA is done. Was in over his head.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
1650.JONGRUDEN2013 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Did you all not hear me?…what I said this morning?…DA has checked out…hes done.
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Are you saying “mentally” checked out, or he literally is not coming back from this leave of absence?
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm
n players can pickup on a coach who has quit a mile away.
Thats why kelly was telling Rolando to chill and not lose his future employment over this coach
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:04 pm
JONGRUDEN,
Sorry, you already answered that while I was typing the question.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
DA will announce that he is taking extended leave of absence to stay with ill father. Knapp to be interim coach. This enables Reggie DA to save face and allow for new staff in 2013.
Plausible?
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
And in other news….Kirk Morrison just got waived by Buffalo!
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Might as well bring him back. I’ll take a tackle after a 10 yard gain rather than watching McJogger
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
The_Judge37 Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
hwnrdr Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
And in other news….Kirk Morrison just got waived by Buffalo!
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Might as well bring him back. I’ll take a tackle after a 10 yard gain rather than watching McJogger
LOL
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Dennis Allen’s daddy is sick, this week it was Pat Shurmur and he looked fine.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:08 pm
1658.MarcusAllen Says:
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
DA will announce that he is taking extended leave of absence to stay with ill father. Knapp to be interim coach. This enables Reggie DA to save face and allow for new staff in 2013.
Plausible?
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Yes…and it’s over DA’s refusal to put in Pryor and give up on season.
December 3rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
And here I thought that all of the Raider Drama would end when Al died…..SSDO….same schyyyt different owner.